You are Yumigawa Rushorou, and you've rejected your humanity to pursue success in the Holy Grail War.You've changed a great deal since waking up in an abandoned parking garage in the middle of a burning city. A week ago, you were a 5'9" tall student, 100% human, and had a fairly different face. You'd also never been in a fight. Since then, you've been dragged into a free-for-all death game known as the Holy Grail War, learned of the existence of magic, contracted a semi-divine witch to fight by your side, and been reforged into a "conceptual being," an inhuman imitation of ancient heroes. That was all on the first day.The Holy Grail War is a battle between seven magi, contracted to the spirits of seven heroes of the past, classified as Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, and Berserker. Each duo is known as a Master and Servant, and when only one pair remains the two are promised one wish from the omnipotent Holy Grail each. So far, Saber, Lancer, and Assassin have been eliminated along with several Masters. It's the afternoon of the seventh day of the war, and you're currently receiving a crash-course in magic from Caster.Previous thread: >>3374576Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
Where we left off...Remembering the experience, Caster grinds her teeth, and the feathers of her wings fluff up in distress, "To make matters worse, her cult couldn't even sustain the knowledge we gave them!" she exclaims, "Today, all of our teachings have been lost, and the only ritual magic remaining is this pathetic thing you humans have come up with on your own! It's useless! Wasteful! Why couldn't they have just kept doing things the way we told them?" Livid, she gets to her feet and shouts, "Κεραινο!" At her command, lighting cracks down, reducing a massive oak on the opposite side of the clearing to charred splinters. Then all the anger seems to drain from her, and she sits back down, calm again."I'm sorry about that," she says, smiling sweetly enough that it seems like her earlier wrath was an illusion "I'm afraid my temper got the better of me. Let's move on to the second lower source, Od. As I said before, your magic circuits build up Od within you over time, up to their maximum capacity. When you switch your circuits into an active state, you can take hold of that energy, shape it into the form of a spell, and pour it out of yourself into the world, actualizing that particular mystery. The forms your Od is inclined to take, and thus what kind of spells you can use, are dictated by inborn tendencies within your magic circuits, known as your elemental affinity and your origin.""I see," you say, "can you tell me about...">[ ] "...how to activate my circuits?">[ ] "...element and origin? What are those, exactly?">[ ] "...your magic? How does that fit into this scheme of things?">[ ] "...how this relates to Servants? I'm curious how it is that you sustain yourself with my energy.">[ ] Ask about something else (Write in)
>>3385052>[ ] "...element and origin? What are those, exactly?"
>>3385052Can we have all of these answered in time or is it a limited amount?
>>3385052>[ ] "...your magic? How does that fit into this scheme of things?"Teach us of your bullshit ways, Caster.
>>3385072The choice right now is for what you want to ask next.
>>3385076Okay.>[ ] "...element and origin? What are those, exactly?"
>>3385052>[ ] "...your magic? How does that fit into this scheme of things?"Last thread had an anon who wanted to suggest private lessons, I would like to throw in some light teasing/flirting if possible.
>>3385084Timing, anon. Let's ask a srs qeustin first.
>>3385098Asking about her magic is seriousConsidering that she taught humans from the Age of Gods her magic (it's not possible for modern humans to learn Divine Words for reasons, probably Alaya being a bitch).And we've >been reforged into a "conceptual being," an inhuman imitation of ancient heroes.So we just MIGHT have the aptitude.
>>3385052Ask her about our nature as a conceptual being
>>3385103When you put it that way,>[ ] "...your magic? How does that fit into this scheme of things?"
>>3385052>[ ] "...your magic? How does that fit into this scheme of things?"If she taught it to mortals, she should be able to teach it to us.
You have braved the bowels of a university to reach me. But the hand of cowboy, which deals in false justice and shitty movies, can never hope to defeat the lord master of Caster!
>>3385601We're basically asking him to dump lore on us, be patient.
>>3385601Sweets is on Pacific Time, has a life, and updates when he can. Also lore dumps take a while. Give it time.
>>3385585>shitty moviesHey, I love the Clint Eastwood westerns!>>3385622Not just lore, actual original lore. I've combed through the side/world material for Fate, and basically all Nasu wrote about the Divine Language was "it's cool old magic, don't ask questions."
>>3385665How big of a dump? Garden of Sinners big?
>>3385690Nope. I've been running errands most of this time, actually. Just got home.
This is all important information, but it's also focused on human magic, making you wonder how that differs from what Caster is able to accomplish. "Can you tell me about the magic you use?" you ask, "how does it fit into this framework of methodologies?""It's a bit of all three," Caster says, "when I was a goddess, I used magic drawn from Thea, of course. For gods, though, that's equivalent to a human drawing power from Od. It was after I was imprisoned on Aeaea that I had to begin using the Divine Language to command Mana, as I had taught my followers to. That method isn't exactly effective any more either, though. You see, the Divine Language carried authority over Mana because it was used by the gods, those for whom Mana was a natural tool. Even after the Age of Gods came to an end, as long as humans continued to use the Divine Language for magic, that authority would remain. The rule of 'Mana obeys the authority of the Divine Language' would have been kept ingrained in Gaia." Caster heaves a sigh as she continues, "Unfortunately, that isn't what happened. As I said, humans lost the Divine Language, and its inherent authority has faded with the passage of time. I'm able to use it now partially because of my own divine essence, and partially by layering Od-based spells to enhance my authority over Mana. Those spells are what expend the mystic energy I receive from you when I use magic." "Fascinating," you say, "so you're essentially casting one spell with Od that has the effect of making the Divine Language effective, and then doing the rest with the old method?"Caster nods, looking abashed at the shift in her technique, "that's right. It's something of an inelegant, patchwork solution, I know."As you comprehend the makeup of her abilities, an idea strikes you. If it's your Od that she's using to keep the Divine Language functional, you should be able to use the same technique! "In that case," you say excitedly, "can you teach me the same method?"Your hopes come crashing down as Caster shakes her head, an expression of sympathy on her face. "I'm afraid not," she says. "Even with the reinforcement I'm giving it from your Od, the authority of my Divine Language is only made possible by my being an existence with a fundamental link to the Age of Gods. Without that connection to the ancient power, you'd find them useless. As things are now, reviving the use of the Divine Language for anyone but myself or another ancient heroic spirit is impossible.""Ah, well," you say, "I suppose it was a bit much to hope I could learn magic powerful enough to make someone legendary. The Divine Language aside, what about that other thing you were talking about...">[ ] "...a mental trigger for magic circuits? How does one develop something like that?">[ ] "...the form Od has a tendency to take? You said it was based on qualities in the Magic Circuits called origin and elemental affinity. What are those?">[ ] Ask about something else (Write in)
>>3385702>[ ] "...the form Od has a tendency to take? You said it was based on qualities in the Magic Circuits called origin and elemental affinity. What are those?"Hmmm.
>>3385702>[ ] "...the form Od has a tendency to take? You said it was based on qualities in the Magic Circuits called origin and elemental affinity. What are those?"
>>3385665A metaphor:Imagine that you are at an office and Gaia is the lady behind the counter.>Magecraft is like filling out Subsection 3A of Form 17B and Subsections 31, 33 and 45 of Form 6Q.>Divine Words are like being the boss and telling her to do what you want.>True Magic is like leaving the office and doing whatever the fuck you like without her approval.Instead of using autohypnosis and other bullshit, you just order Gaia directly to do whatever.
>>3385717True Magic is like leaving the office, then driving a car through the office wall for fun.
>>3385717Well, yes. That's how I've written it up here. However, Nasu never said anything to that effect in any of the sources I could find. The only thing I've read that goes into any detail on how divine words function is the Caster page on TM wiki, and they don't have a source cited for what they have to say about it.
>>3385726And Alaya sends hitmen after you forever.
>>3385732Fucking "No Fun Allowed" Alaya trying to rain on Magician's parades.You'd think it would actually do something about the grail war after 200 years yet here we are.
>>3385730>sourceWhat about Medea's Magecraft?>Fact A: She has High-Speed Divine Words, and can teleport shit with a single word.>Fact B: Unconditional teleportation should be True Magic or Divine Magic.>Extension of B: Teleportation with a few conditions should be High Thaumaturgy.>Conclusion: Medea is using Divine Words to speed up her Magecraft.
>>3385739Why do you think nobody ever wins one?
>>3385747Because apparently nobody ever thought to summon this asshole.FGO's backstory is retarded
>>3385745I don't see how that interferes with what I have here. Just like Circe, Medea is a connection between the present and the Age of Gods, and draws in energy from an outside source to supplement her divine words.
>>3385773It doesn't. Just proof that Divine Words work the way you wrote them.
>>3385773The real bullshit is Unified Words.Unified Words make no fucking sense.>Once upon the time everyone spoke the same language so they were speaking through their soul, or something>and this is a super power, or something>and you can use it to control anyone without a direct connection to the root, or somethingThe kicker is that it's the language of Ancient Babylon so realistically Gilgamesh (and Enkidu) should be able to win against basically everyone by speaking.I mean, I'm sure it doesn't actually work that way but what the fuck.Fucking Kara no Kyoukai
>>3385800>Q: Caster's "Divine Words" and Kara no Kyoukai's Kurogiri Satsuki's "Unified Language," are the same thing right?>A: They are seemingly different. Divine Words, so to speak, was an advance incantation language used in various mythological times. It cannot be reproduced with human vocal organs.The "Unified Language" is the "truth," people had before they were separated.WHAT DOES THIS EVEN FUCKING MEAN ARGH.
>autistic>student>ambitious>contracted with an immortal with unusual hair colour>mind controls people without a second thought>surronds self with allies of questionable value>keeps making complex plans and getting btfo by incredibly simple things or acting like an idiot>gets betrayed like a retard and manages to make a near perfect comeback despite losing an ally>student council president Lelouch was only vice president but that's nepotism's fault
>>3385800>>3385818The Unified Language is what Nimrod and his people spoke.After the Tower of Babel fell everyone forgot how to speak it because of the curse of God and Nimrod settled down, becoming Ninurta -- Gilgamesh's gramps.
"What was that other thing you were talking about," you say, "the tendency of Od to take certain forms? You said it was based on a magus' 'element' and 'origin,' but what are those?""Well," Caster begins, "the simpler of the two to explain is element. Just like magic circuits, every magus is born with a certain alignment, dictating their affinity for a particular element in the world. Any magic they use will be of this element. That's not to say that one can only be aligned to a single element, of course. Those of more rarefied lineages of magi cultivate alignment to multiple elements. Needless to say, one such as myself can use magic of all elements with equal ease.""As for the elements themselves," Caster continues, "there are seven, divided into two categories. First are the five elements of the material world. Those are the elements that exist on this side of reality, and are most frequently considered in orthodox magical theory. These elements are Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, and Sky. These should be rather self-explanatory.""Not quite," you interject. "I understand the first four, but how does Sky differ from Wind?"A look of surprised realization crosses Caster's face. "Of course! I'm sorry, the term makes more sense for the sensibilities of the Age of Gods. This is the sky in the mystical sense, also known as Heaven or Ether. Sky is the element of magic itself, and a degraded form of the element of the gods. You could say that all mystic energy, before being processed into one of the other elements, is of Sky, and it's particularly effective when dealing with spiritual entities or constructions of pure magic.""Ah, I see," you say, nodding. "That makes more sense. So what are the other two?""The other two elements," Caster continues, "are Void and Nothingness. These are also known as the Imaginary Elements, because they're the two elements of the reverse side of the world, the realm of imaginary numbers. This is where the gods, phantasmal beasts, and such disappeared to at the end of the Age of Gods, and as such the Imaginary Elements were created after the other five. It's only relatively recently that magi have discovered them; if not for the knowledge of the modern world I received when I was summoned, I wouldn't be familiar with them myself!" Caster says, laughing."These two can be considered the elements necessary to make the retreat of the gods a possibility. Void is the element of possibilities outside the physical plane, and governs the fundamental rules of the world of Imaginary Numbers. It's the equivalent of True Ether for that world. On the other hand, Nothingness is the element of transition, defining the materialization of the impossible."
You give Caster a blank stare. Frankly, it's going a bit over your head. Realizing the difficulty, Caster goes on, "to put it another way, Void is the element that defines those existences which are impossible to materialize here and makes them possible in the other world, while Nothingness enables them to materialize in that realm. Using Void and Nothingness, the gods, who had become impossibilities in the changing world, were able to create a new world for themselves in which they were able to exist without difficulty.""I see," you say, deciding it's best just to put the subject behind you and move on. After all, if only the first five matter in the real world, they're presumably the only elements you need to concern yourself with. "So, what about 'origin'?""That's a more universal concept," Caster declares, laying a hand on one of the oaks spreading above you, "every living thing, even this tree, has an origin at the time of its creation. The origin of any being is significant, as your origin is intimately tied to your fate and the path your life will take. Put differently, your origin is the central concept of your being. Accordingly, they're usually vague ideas, such as stillness, rather than a specific thing. You'd be hard pressed to find someone with the origin of sword, for example.""Alright," you say, "so what does one's origin have to do with magic?""Magic," Caster explains, "is an essentially conceptual act; the use of energy to act on the world, channeled through the conceptual aspect of your existence. As the idea that oversees that conceptual nature, your origin acts as an influence on all magic you attempt to materialize. While elemental alignment is a simple set of rules, dictating which elements you can and can't use, your origin is more like a dye, which takes any magic you do use and shifts it to be in line with itself.""I'm not sure I understand," you say, "what sort of influence would this have?""Hmm..." Caster thinks for a moment before continuing. "Here's an example. Suppose you have two magi, one with an origin of severing, and one with an origin of refutation. Now, if each of these magi used a generalized spell of reinforcement on an iron plate, they would draw out different aspects of the metal in accordance with their origins. While both would reinforce its hardness, as you'd expect, the magus with the origin of severing would likely also improve the sharpness of the edges, while the magus with the origin of refutation might make the iron reflective."Fascinating. Two indelible aspects of one's existence, one which restricts and the other which enhances. Curiosity fills you, and you reply, "I see. So, can you tell me what my elemental alignment and origin are?"
>>3386058FUCK WE SHOULD'VE DONE MORE COMPASSION
"Yes," Caster replies, a smile of satisfaction rising to her face, "although your body is quite different from a normal human's as a result of the remodeling that Cid's ritual has done, I've been carefully analyzing it while you sleep, and I've succeeded in determining your alignment, origin, and various other details. However, the fact of the matter is that they're quite strange. I'm quite sure at this point that the concept underlying your existence was changed by that artifact you used.""Hang on," you exclaim, jumping up in shock, "my existence was changed? What does that mean?""Oh, calm down," Caster says mildly, "I told you before, remember? Previously you were a human, and now you're a conceptual being. That artifact, which I'm calling the 'pseudo-grail' for lack of a better term, seems to have plunged your spirit into the world of Imaginary Numbers, altered it, and then incarnated you back into the world, similar to the process a heroic spirit undergoes when we go to the Throne of Heroes."You heave a sigh and sit back down. "Alright," you say, "so how has this affected my origin and alignment?""As I said," Caster declares, "you've been permeated with Imaginary Numbers, and that element seems to have soaked into your very soul. Your origin is currently Void, and you're aligned to three elements: Void, Nothingness, and Sky.""Void, Nothingness, and Sky, huh?" You ponder the idea. Difficult elements to understand, let alone use. As you look to the horizon, you see that the sun's sunk low in the sky. It'll be getting dark soon. "Let's go inside," you tell Caster, "we've been talking out here so long, the others might be getting worried, and besides...">[ ] "...I've had about all the magic discussion I can handle. I'm going to go down and do some sparring practice with Matsuda, and then we can discuss our next moves in the war.">[ ] "...I'd like to move this conversation into your workshop so we can go from theory to practice. Can you teach me how to start using magic?">[ ] Something else (Write in)
>>3386109What brings you to that conclusion?
>>3386114>[ ] "...I'd like to move this conversation into your workshop so we can go from theory to practice. Can you teach me how to start using magic?">>3386116...Never mind, I just remembered that big juju can change your Origin.
>>3386121Even if the ritual hadn't changed your origin, remember that pride, compassion, and so-on are all the emotions you develop after the beginning of the grail war, whereas your origin was fixed at birth.
>>3386114>[ ] "...I'd like to move this conversation into your workshop so we can go from theory to practice. Can you teach me how to start using magic?"
>>3386114>[ ] "...I'd like to move this conversation into your workshop so we can go from theory to practice. Can you teach me how to start using magic?"If our Origin has been changed, does that mean we wouldn't get completely fucking destroyed by awakening to it? I'm not very keen to experiment (I can't imagine "Void" being a very helpful thing to awaken to anyway), but if our Origin has been altered then it might not cause the entire timeline of our existence to come crashing into the present at once like it did with Lio, or at least there might be a lot less existence to crash because our Origin isn't necessarily tied to our past lives any longer.Honestly, this question is more just me trying to see how well I understood whatever the fuck was going on in Kara no Kyoukai.
>>3386141Remember, Lio only went nuts because Araya specifically awakened his Origin. There's nobody else currently walking the Earth with both enough knowledge of Origins and the motive to do it to us.>inb4 Circe
Putting aside the question of origin, do you folks feel like you got a good understanding of how your elemental alignment works and how you received it from my explanation?
>>3386168Yeah, that seems about right.
>>3386127Also, we awakened to Pride, didn't we? It could've been the Origin we had at birth and the Grail awakened it.Of course you've confirmed that it's false but still
"Let's go inside. We've been talking out here so long, the others might be getting worried," you say wryly, "and besides, I'd like to move this conversation into your workshop so we can go from theory to practice. Can you teach me how to start using magic?""If you're ready to start using your magic circuits," Caster says, "certainly."Once the two of you are in her workshop, Caster gestures to a round stool she's placed in the center of the room. This time, the tower-room has returned to the appearance it had when you first saw it, the walls crowded with racks of strange magical tools, potions, and materials. "Take a seat there," she says, "and just try to relax for a moment. Close your eyes."You follow her instructions, closing your eyes and breathing deeply as you remain seated on the stool. For a few moments, you can hear her walking around the workshop, and then she comes to a stop in front of you. You feel her cool fingertip touch the center of your forehead. Then all relaxation disappears.You feel a surge of burning pain, flowing through your body from the point of contact. The searing heat fills you in a moment, and sweat springs forth from your brow. Yous breath is coming in short, shallow gasps. "Breathe," Caster sighs, and her voice is like a salve, "just stay calm," she says, "feel it without letting the pain control you. I've filled your magic circuits with flowing mystic energy, forcing them into an active state." As she speaks softly into your ear, you find that your body is able to relax. You follow her instructions, observing the sensation of the mystic energy as if from a ditance. "You need to become conscious of your circuits as a body part," Caster explains, "feeling them in action is the best way to do that."Gradually, the burning sensation stabilizes and refines its location. As you concentrate on it, you can feel the 126 lines it traces in your body. These are the magic circuits that the energy flows through. Just like that, as you become conscious of the circuits, your body ceases to register the sensation of the mystic energy as pain; just the way an image can reverse when you refocus your eyes, the sensation, without changing, becomes something entirely new."Good," Caster says as she watches your breathing normalize, "I see you've managed to contextualize the energy for your senses." Then she withdraws her touch from your forehead, and the energy drains out of you. "Now," she continues, "we will train your ability to switch your circuits from passive to active on your own. First, concentrate on the circuits. Try to feel them even while there's no energy flowing through them.""Alright," you answer, focusing your mind on the pattern the energy had traced. It's extremely faint, but after several minutes of meditation, you do manage to find the circuits again. "I have them," you confirm.
"Now," says Caster, "I'll activate them again for you. Put your mind into an imaginative state. Focus on imagery, and memorize what comes to mind when I activate your magic circuits this time. That will be your trigger." Then the energy flows through you again, not burning this time but empowering. Visualizing the energy's sudden surging motion, you see...>[ ] The sails of a ship, filling with a strong wind.>[ ] A door, opening into darkness.>[ ] The blade of a guillotine, falling to the chopping block.>[ ] The sun, rising over the horizon.>[ ] Something else (Write in)
>>3386257>Something elseThe void giving way to an endless sky
>>3386141>can't imagine "Void" being a very helpful thing to awaken to anywayBy the way, this is Shiki Ryougi's origin (technically「」but the special pamphlet says it would be pronounced as "kara", meaning "void"). Yumigawa is (appropriately) connected directly to the Root if he has the same Origin.It also means he's on Alaya's shit-list for being connected to the Root.
>>3386267What I'm using for Void is 虚, though, and that's read as kyo. Kara is another reading of 空, the element I'm referring to as Sky. This would be far less confusing if Nasu hadn't given 3 of the 7 elements names that can all be translated as nothing, emptiness, or void.
>>3386270Fuck Nasu and fuck Kanji
To clarify: 空, read as kuu, kara, sora, etc can be translated as sky, void, empty air, or vacuum. That's the fifth real element, also known as ether.虚, read as ko, kyo, muna(shii), or utsu(ro) can be translated as emptiness, fissure, or void, and is the first imaginary element, also known as imaginary numbers.You're aligned with both elementally, but your origin is 虚.
>>3386276Also, Imaginary Numbers was Sakura's Element.
>>3386283This is correct. It's Sakura you share an element and origin with, not Shiki.
>>3386289>sharing anything with wormslutreeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>3386257>[ ] The sun, rising over the horizon.
>>3386257>[ ] The sun, rising over the horizon.PRAISE THE SUN.
>>3386294Sakura is a good girl who deserves a nice life.
>>3386304Waifus ain't free. The Holy Grail gotta be littrd with the blood of Matos.Sakura aka "wormslut" is not my waifu, she is a worm ridden thot and probably not a virgin as well :DDCirce not Sakura ok. God bless legal teen
>>3386257>A Solar EclipseC’mon, something a little more cool for our boy now anons
>>3386308You have to consider the implications of the trigger. It's a highly personal image that reveals information about your personality and psyche.
>>3386303You know what?Switch to>something else>A bird taking flightBirds make the best waifus mental triggers
>>3386324>spoiler within spoilerJust for that I'm switching from >>3386261 (You) to>The sun, rising above the horizon
>>3386340Wew, I really fucked that up in every way.I suppose that's what I get for overusing spoiler tags and ctrl+v'ing them
>>3386333Anon, think of Circe.Don't let my poor use of spoiler tags dissuade you.We'll be thinking of something that reminds us of her every time we use magic. And she was a goddess of magic.
>>3386345Pigs would be a better reminder.What if our trigger was the image of punching Cid in the face?
>>3386347>mental trigger is punching Cid>every time we try to punch him for real he does his nothin personnel shit and teleports off>try and use mental trigger>Cid disappearsAlso, birds and flight have more symbolism than just magical Bird Waifu.Like we pretty obviously believe we're above the common man.
>>3386349Birds have always been more symbolic of freedom than of pride.
>>3386352And Rushorou is finally free of the expectations of his boring life.Also>birds = free>Circe = bird>Circe = imprisoned and stripped of her statusSomething here doesn't add upAlso Circe hasn't really mentioned Piglets.
>>3386361>Something here doesn't add upI'm not the one saying birds are reminiscent of Circe.>Also Circe hasn't really mentioned Piglets.That's why it would be really spooky.
>>3386364Birds are reminiscent of her because she fucking has bird wings.
>>3386370That's a connection a child could make. You need to look deeper.
>>3386387To be fair, piglet isn't an especially deep connection either.I'm fine with the sun if it wins.Fuck knows what it symbolises though. Muh pride?no Circe I'm not attracted to Amaterasu please Stop AAAAAAAAA-
>>3386392>after we become the God-Emperor of humanity we go to the moon>we get inside the Moon Cell by bargaining with Crimson Moon for the keys>we bust into the Moon Cell Wars in Extra>we meet Amaterasu while Circe waits outside, far away>we pull out our penis to assert dominance>she pulls out hers
>>3386396>waits outside, far awayTry millions of years away because Amaterasu has broken powers
>>3386398It will remain a hypothetical case because as potential Beasts go Tiamat is the superior mamawaifu
>>3386404Let's use our wish to restart the Age of Gods.I feel like being a dick.
>>3386409I don't think that's possible without getting Alaya'd.
>>3386412You're forgetting one thingthis war is taking place in an artificial world built by Cid.
>>3386409It would allow us to ask for Circe's divinity back.>>3386414This
>>3386431What a turnaround for Circe if it's possible. >has her divinity taken away>gets it back thousands of years later >is the only god around I wonder if this would restart the Age of Gods.Billions will die if so.Oh well.
>>3386442Sacrifices must be made. Gilgamesh understands us.
>>3386445Of course.Also I feel like restarting the Age of Gods would get anybody who manages it considerable favour from like, every god that manages to return.Perfect for our goal of ruling the planet.If we actually decide to go through with this I KNOW we're the bad guy.But fuck it.Humans suck right now anyway.
>>3386461Well, except for the gods who are still worshiped, since they can still perform miracles such as giving Kirei his Magic Circuits
>>3386480The difference is that full on restarting the Age of Gods would actually allow the gods to take human form on the planet. Also I don't know where Big G stands in the whole thing.As far as I know basically every single cool thing has gone to the Reverse Side of the World.And all the gods are just Divine Spirits now.We could be like, reverse Gilgamesh if we pull this off.
>>3386494>Also I don't know where Big G stands in the whole thing.He just doesn't come down personally, he used to have a Messiah or Angel do his work, if the legends are to be believed.>As far as I know basically every single cool thing has gone to the Reverse Side of the World.We still have Arc, Primate Murder, ORT, various gods who are still worshipped today (if people believe legends of them taking physical form) and the occasional spate of gas leaks.
>>3386502Also, we should deal with Atilla before she shits on the Olympians again.
>>3386502Yeah but that's like a tiny fraction of cool things.
>>3386507How do you propose we do that?
>>3386511Obviously we must go to the Moon and slip Brunestud tree fiddy which will deal with her pretty well.
>>3386515There are...Multiple issues with that "plan".
>>3386523It's not any worse than the other shitpost "plans".And it's either that or summon Arturia (Male).
>>3386529We'll get to that hurdle when we get to it.First we need to restart the Age of Gods anyway.
>>3386541Yeah, and then make Aeaea into a quiet island retreat for us, Matsuda, Ogawara, Truvi and maybe Kikuko.
Why are we wanting to bring back the Age of the Gods, when that would likely put us on Alaya's shitlist?
>>3386548Because Alaya will be gone.Remember, the birth of Alaya was the beginning of the end for the Age of Gods.
>>3386548Because Alaya can't do shit to us when we're in an artificial world. Also we ceased being Human the moment we were modified.THE AGE OF MAN IS OVER.
>>3386565>>3386567Okay, but how does our character know about this and why would he care?
>>3386574Well Circe outright told us that Humans fucking suck and can't even remember how to magecraft properly and the Gods did a much better job.As for reasons...Give Circe her divinity back?Make humanity something worthy of being ruled?Become the champion of the gods?We'd need to discuss this more with Circe though.
>>3386574>Even after the Age of Gods came to an endAlso, Yumigawa knows her Divinity was lost.He seems to be showing sparks of compassion, and Caster was pretty vocal about modern Magi having degenerated since Hecate's cult did a shitty job.He should be nice enough to want to reverse that, not knowing the cost.Wasn't the Fuyuki Grail trying to kill people specifically because Angsty Manchild corrupted it to make killing people a compulsory step in granting any wish? Cid's Grail might not have the same problem.
>>3386651Manjew basically made the grail a big ol Monkey's Paw.Of course restarting the Age of Gods would bring about some sort of apocalypse anyway, what with Dragons and shit probably showing up.But hey, that's the price you gotta pay sometimes.
>>3386657Luckily, everyone will also be uber-badasses now that the Age of Gods is back. We have all the benefits of modern philosophies and systems of thought too.
>>3386669You know, honestly I can't wait to find out what Cid's plan is.Like, if this is our goal then he's gonna have to have a pretty big plan to one up us.Wonder if the Gods will be grateful desu.
>>3386257>[ ] The sun, rising over the horizon.>>3386541Calm down, Gilgamesh. Last I checked, we were trying to avoid becoming an irredeemable asshole.>>3386657Antsy Manspruce corrupted the Grail because his existence as a heroic spirit was itself the manifestation of a wish. As a servant, he's garbage because he's just a wish and not really a hero. When he died and the Grail took in the embodiment of a 2000-year-old wish, it couldn't really tell the difference between the servant and the wish and took it as both. The "corruption" is that the 2000-year-old wish is so old and powerful that any other wish the Grail receives pales in comparison and gets interpreted as or ignored in favor of "kill everyone."
>>3386678>getting done in by the t bh filter Senpai...
>>3386679>”Last I checked, we were trying to avoid becoming an irredeemable asshole”I mean, I just want to become the ultimate Hero or something like that.
>>3386679I'll have you know that Gilgamesh did nothing wrong.Sacrifices need to be made for the greater good.
>>3386686>>3386687>I just want to become the ultimate Hero or something like that.>Sacrifices need to be made for the greater good.Because that worked out so well for the Emiya family, right?
1 for void, 1 for eclipse, 2 for sunrise, 1 for a bird taking flight. Not really a clear winner. What do you folks want your trigger to be?
>>3386704It worked out pretty well for Shirou in UBW.So you're either with us or against us. Resistance will earn you an agonizing death in the comfy chair as we continue with our plans for human supremacy and supremacy over humans.
>>3386704The Emiya family are retards with no ambition.>"Muh save everyone">"Muh seigi no mikata"No!The strong will survive!The worthy shall prosper!The Gods shall watch over humanity once more and we shall be their champion!
>>3386710You know what, let's just praise
>>3386718-PRAISE THE SUN-, WHY WAS AUTO POST EVEN ONBut yeah Sunrise will be fine.
>>3386713>human supremacy and supremacy over humansBringing back the Age of Gods would achieve neither of those things, anon.
>>3386710I suggested void but if nobody else wants it I'll stick with sunrise.
>>3386724It’ll be cool QM, just wait
Can any of you tell me why you want the sunrise option? I wrote the choice last night, and this morning I feel like it has nothing to do with Rushorou's character.
>>3386730Even though I didn’t vote for it, the whole “Land of the Rising Sun” and “Rushorou becoming a mage and becoming more powerful and capitalizing on his potential” slant is nice.
>>3386730I mean, I can go back to supporting bird if you want.Won't solve anything.
>>3386724>Bringing back the Age of Gods would achieve neither of those things, anon.Elementary, my Sweet.It'll do wonders to make humans git gud.Also, none of the generally meddlesome pagan gods will be around anymore except Circe because nobody worships them anymore and they'll be mere Elementals now, so we can actually get rid of them if Circe can get her Divinity back, leaving humans reigning supreme. we'll plan for Arc and Doge when it comes to thatAs for supremacy over humans, we're more prepared than them and can thus be a focus for their hope. They'll fall behind the only guy who knows what he's doing because people as a group are sheep.That leaves the cosmic gods mostly uninterested in human endeavours because of the sheer scale they operate at, and human supremacy under us.Even if it's wrong, it's in-character for Yumigawa to think it up, right?
>>3386730You know what, let's just go with Void giving way to Sky because it has the best connection to Yumi so far not shilling here no sir
>>3386740I'll support any option that isn't the fucking sun.
>>3386730One of the many aspects of the sun in Ancient Egyptian religion was the god Horus.Horus was the manifestation of the phenomenon of kingship. It was the Ancient Egyptian way of understanding why you or I could go out into the street and say "build a pyramid" and nobody would do it, but some other guy could say "build a pyramid" and it would get done.Kings in Ancient Egypt were considered to be the incarnation of Horus.As for the connection to Rushorou's character, I should think the kingship angle would be self-evident.
>>3386751>kingshipBut he wants to be the God-Emperor of Mankind, not some pyramid-building eyeliner-wearing perfume-spraying fag.
>>3386755The Pharoahs of old were ballers and I will hear none of this nonsense.
>>3386257>[ ] A door, opening into darkness.
>>3386751First, I was under the impression it was Ra the pyramids were concerned with.As for the god connected to the pharaohs, wasn't that Hathor? She's the one most frequently depicted with the pharaohs in old kingdom art.Most importantly, though, Rushorou isn't Egyptian. Why would the unconscious expression of his soul filling with power be based on Egyptian customs?
>>3386763>First, I was under the impression it was Ra the pyramids were concerned with.They were giant fucking tombs for pharaohs and the people they wanted to keep in the afterlife>Most importantly, though, Rushorou isn't Egyptian. Why would the unconscious expression of his soul filling with power be based on Egyptian customs?To play devil's advocate, the same could be said of Earth, Wind & Fire.
>>3386763Anyone have some proper Japanese history under their belt? Any big symbolisms for great Japanese rulers rising to power or somesuch our boy should know?
>>3386755>God-Emperor of MankindThat falls under the umbrella. Horus is ruler's authority itself. You could be king of Egypt or king of the whole damn world, but you have Horus.>>3386763>First, I was under the impression it was Ra the pyramids were concerned with.My point wasn't so much about the pyramids themselves so much as it is the fact that there's a difference in your ability to affect people. If you tried to give some random dude orders, he probably wouldn't listen, but if you were, say, the President of the United States, they might be more likely to listen to you.>As for the god connected to the pharaohs, wasn't that Hathor? She's the one most frequently depicted with the pharaohs in old kingdom art.No, Hathor has more to do with the inundation of the Nile. Any time you see a pharaoh depicted with a falcon, that falcon is Horus.>Most importantly, though, Rushorou isn't Egyptian. Why would the unconscious expression of his soul filling with power be based on Egyptian customs?Our other options are sails, a door, and a guillotine. The sun makes about as much sense as any. Also, Land of the Rising Sun and whatnot.>>3386770Let me take a look at my notes from a course I had last year. The Emperor is partly associated with the sun from what I recall, since you weren't allowed to look at him for your own safety since otherwise you'd go blind.
>>3386774There was a write in option though.We could have had birdOr THE VOID.
>>3386770>>3386774Also, it's important to note that for a good chunk of Japanese history, the emperor is more of a figurehead than anything else.
>>3386782Well, that’s why I say ruler. I don’t know of any ez-mode Nobunaga symbolism aside from the crest, but that isn’t really fitting for a trigger.
>>3386782Yeah...Yumigawa is no figurehead.
>>3386783>ez-mode Nobunaga symbolismguns everywhereor Buddhist monks being slaughtered
We're not even really Japanese anymore, we're a completely new being. I was thinking we should come up with a new name for ourselves too but that might be a little cringy. Though our name won't be much use to us, it's not like we can return to our old life when this is done.
>>3386788>but that might be a little cringyNot if we do it right.How about YUMI?
>>3386788Even if he’s not Japanese, he doesn’t get cool new knowledge to imagine with. I recall QM saying he was a perfect student, but didn’t really study academic topics outside of a school setting. E.G. glorious nippon.
>>3386767>They were giant fucking tombs for pharaohs and the people they wanted to keep in the afterlifeAnd the reason why they were guant was because it was believed that a larger tomb made it easier for Ra to find the soul of the dead person.
>>3386807Why don't we have a secondary vote where the symbolism behind each choice is explained next to it or something?Idk
How about a 21 gun salute mental trigger?Just throwing ideas out there.
I'm struggling to find any really big symbol in the Japanese history I studied for a ruler's power. If people have problems with using the sun, we could probably go with something more universal like the unfurling of a flag or banner.
>>3386811Sailing ship: energy is pouring into, filling, and empowering you, as wind does with a sail. This one is also impacted by Caster's influence, since she wants you to be Odysseus II.Door opening into darkness: The darkness is the world of Void, your origin and alignment. By activating your magic circuits, you open the door to that aspect of your existence. Guillotine: this one was for the people who were really into the Dio thing. The most extreme pride option.Sunrise: I honestly can't remember what my reasoning was when I wrote this one. Maybe the energy flowing over the land with the morning light mirroring the energy flowing through the magic circuits?
>>3386822>Door opening into darkness: The darkness is the world of Void, your origin and alignment. By activating your magic circuits, you open the door to that aspect of your existence.Gimme sqrt(-1)
>>3386822Door opening into darkness: The darkness is the world of Void, your origin and alignment. By activating your magic circuits, you open the door to that aspect of your existence.
>>3386822>Door opening into darkness: The darkness is the world of Void, your origin and alignment. By activating your magic circuits, you open the door to that aspect of your existence.The guillotine is pride? I thought that would be duty since it's meant to be a very efficient, utilitarian killing machine.
>>3386840Yeah, I imagined Pride would be more along the lines of a being descending from the stars or something.
>>3386846Maybe the Sun is pride because it's >>3386846us bathing the plebeians in our golden showereffulgence.
>>3386822>Sailing ShipFor best girl Circe.
>>3386850Remember how Odysseus leaves her for his wife?Do you still want to be Odysseus II?
>>3386840I was thinking along the lines of "the pride of one who judges the masses." Maybe pride/duty.>>3386822I realize I didn't put a write in here, but you folks can still feel free to write in your suggestions. I was just explaining the first set of choices.
>>3386853Do we have a wife?Remind me.
>>3386856I'll leave my write-in alone because I only wanted the Void connection there
>>3386822I’ll roll with my Eclipse vote
>>3386856Wouldn't a better one for something like that be a Judge's Gavel?The guillotine is kind of a symbol of revolution and the masses. A Headsman's axe would be a better DIO option too.
>>3386871I've always thought of the French Revolution as kind of the apex of groundless pride, these people seizing power and just drowning the place in blood. So, to me, the guillotine is definitely associated with pride.
>>3386873>Rushorou>Groundless prideNow that’s where you’re off. Rushorou simply recognizes he’s a superior entity who cannot be compared with the rabble of humanity.
>>3386874Guess it doesn't really matter, since nobody wants the guillotine trigger anyway.
>>3386861We have Matsuda.
Just making sureEveryone's on board with restarting the Age of Gods, right?Who wants to be the ruler of shitty humans anyway, we need the best of the best.We can be a true king, chosen by the gods.
>>3386880I’ll go with whatever IC wishes QM devises based off previous choices.
>>3386880>Everyone's on board with restarting the Age of Gods, right?Yes.>We can be a true king, chosen by the gods.After that we usurp them, become victorious and rule forever
>>3386882That's not a no.
>>3386880While that'd be interesting I'm not sure it'd necessarily be good for Rushurou specifically
>>3386886Why not?Hmm.If Servant parameters scales off from the average value, what if the average human becomes twice as strong?
>>3386878That's fucking GAY, anon!
>>3386890>he can’t enjoy platonically laying in bed with his bro after a few hours of beating the shit out of eachotherThis is why you don’t have a winged waifu anon
>>3386889Correct me if I'm wrong, but Servant values don't actually scale off of human values. 1 was described as a "normal" value, not a regular human value, in the comparison where E=10, D=20, and so on and so forth.Anyway, it'll be much more than doubled.
>>3386880No. I'd rather not commit genocide.
>>3386902Come on anon!Think of the opportunities!We'll never rule the planet with that attitude!
>>3386908When have we ever willingly endangered innocent people? Hell, we went out of our way to Assassin's lair, thinking it was Cid up to his old tricks.
>>3386908Think about it.We'll never rule the planet if the gods come back. Our natural superiority will be gone since we're just a human and the gods will be back.If we ever act as though we're better than any of the gods (and we will because Pride), our shit will get pushed in like it did with Arachne or Niobe.Gods are bad.
>>3386917>When have we ever endangered innocent people?When have we ever had the opportunity, or expressed any sentiments of wanting to protect innocent people whom we don't know?
>>3386923See >>3386736 (You)
>>3386923We're not a human anymore though. Besides, if we manage to get a sort of Champion of the Gods deal ala Gilgamesh then we'd basically be their representative.And we probably won't say "fuck off" to the Gods like Goldy did
I'm starting to think that after destroying Alaya forever, we should remake it to be subservient to us. Once we've conquered humanity, Alaya will come back with the guiding principle of "whatever Yumigawa says goes", because humans and other living beings remake the World around them to fit their needs.
>>3386940>whom we don't knowWe know these guys
>>3386940We saw them as possible allies with information.Sticking together is also a superior survival strategy. Saving people for the sake of saving them is ridiculous and wasn't what we were doing.
>>3386934If Circe gets her Divinity back, she won't be much better off than the Elementals, will she?>>3386937We're a conceptual being with an existence similar to an Age of Gods human. Which means we're similar to a human who is still inferior to the gods.If we become Champion of the Gods and don't tell them to fuck off, then we won't be in charge.>>3386946We didn't know Matsuda when we met him and tackled a skeleton to save his life.
>>3386967>We didn't know Matsuda when we met him and tackled a skeleton to save his life.We didn't have a personality yet, did we?
>>3386967I imagine it depends on how we phrase our wish.
>>3386981Since it's Rushorou's wish, there's got to be a better idea than restarting the Age of Gods. Not only does Rushorou not know enough about the world to make that happen, it seems out-of-character for him to want to reestablish entities that would lower his position and worth. We could (and probably should) just take over the world as we know it somehow.Since Sweets has said we'll get a wish, is it safe to assume Cid has somehow fixed the Fuyuki meme grail that just gives you access to a shitload of mana rather than actually do anything with it for you? Or are we going to need to take extra super duper special care of Caster and/or Truvi just in case?
>>3387019Yeah but just taking over the world is lazy. And it's begging to get wrecked by any number of powerful individuals. Restarting the Age of Gods create the worlds biggest distraction for anyone that might try and stop us.Additionally, it allows for us to become far more powerful than just wishing to control the world.A true emperor is one who stands above every one of his subjects.
You know what? We should ask Circe what she wants the wish for.Making her the first god of the second Age of Gods is a fun plan but we should listen to what she wants.
>>3387019I feel like Rushurou is still mostly a blank slate-ish character so it's hard to come up with a wish
>>3387184>Still mostly a blank-slate-ish characterI’d disagree with that. We certainly have some particulars to fill out, but the rough layout are done at this point.
I like how wishing for the return of the Age of Gods has two outcomes>our ultimate moment of triumph, cementing our place as the eternal ruler of mankind.or >the biggest "oops" moment since..... the dawn of mankind? As the world falls to pieces and we don't get any recognition for it.
>>3387266Go big, or go home for some people, I guess.
>>3387266We could always take over the church and slowly deify ourselves.
>>3387369Lmao no we couldn't Burial Agency would slap our shit.I do look forward to Cid's utter WTF reaction if we do make the Age of Gods wish and he's still alive.
As your magic circuits fill with Caster's energy, you see a door open withing you. It looks out on the Void, that incomprehensible space where you first chose to take the coins' power into yourself. Now the energy flows through the door, into you, and you know intuitively that this is your trigger, the switch that will activate your circuits. As they hum into life, circulating the energy that was first yours, then Casters, and then returned to you, you open your eyes."So," Caster asks, "have you found your trigger?""Yes, I think so," you reply, "The activation of the circuits this time was different. It was like a door opening, letting the mystic energy move freely.""Excellent," Caster exclaims, clapping her hands together in excitement, "I knew you had plenty of physical talent, but it seems you learn quickly as well! Now, see if you can return the circuits to their passive state without my help.""Alright," you say, closing your eyes again and feeling for the circuits. You visualize and feel their pattern, and the energy circulating through you, and you will it to end. Commanding the energy within you to cease its motion, you take the door to the Void in mental hands and shut it. With the door closed, the room that is your body stills, and the heat that has filled your body fades away. "I've done it," you say, "it seems I can activate and deactivate my circuits without too much trouble. Now, let's move on to some more concrete-"Suddenly, your vision goes hazy as a wave of lightheadedness sweeps through you. "Huh? I, uh..." As the power drains out of your body, you slump forward off the stool, barely managing to steady yourself and keep from falling to the stone floor."I won't be able to give you any more lessons tonight," Caster says, helping you keep your feet, "activating your circuits for the first time is quite a strain. Frankly, I'm impressed that you were able to do this much. Right now," she continues, walking you over to a Grecian couch in one corner of the room, "you should rest." As she lays you down, consciousness slips away. Though it's still early evening, it's been a long, long day...End of Day 7
In your dream, you hold court in an ancient hall of marble, bronze, and wood, decorated with frescoes and sculpture. Weapons and armor line the walls, and the night's darkness is warded off by torches.You're an old man, weathered by a long life of many trials, and the carved mahogany throne on which you sit seems to emphasize the myriad aches and pains that have come to live with you in your old age.Listening as one of your ministers recounts the woes of fishermen beset by pirates, you find it difficult to keep your mind on his words and away from your younger days. Then, though you truly wished to remain at home, you rarely passed an hour in this hall of state. You always found some calamity drawing you away, and could never exercise the duties of a king. It's only now, when memories consume you and you can hardly tolerate the mundane responsibilities of monarchy, that you are present to carry them out.Your reverie is interrupted as a cry goes up. A warrior has come from the sea, a vicious raider who slaughters all in his path. He arrived alone in a tiny boat, and gave not a word of greeting, but leapt out upon landing and began to kill. This, at last, is a proper duty for a bored king!You spring up, stringing your great bow and strapping a sword to your hip, and rush out to meet the attacker. Three times you fire at him from the palace balcony, and three times he deflects the arrows, striking them from the air with a strange weapon.The warrior is tall, and lightly clad; with no armor, but only a robe of sea-green. His hair is red, and his ears come to strange points. He wields in his right hand a barbed rod of white, like a short spear, with prodigious speed, and none of your soldiers can match him. Whoever draws close, the barb strikes the gaps in their armor, weaving through the air as if alive.You leap from the balcony, rushing at the foe. In your life you have never been bested, and surely this is to be the final martial triumph before you retire into decrepitude! As the redheaded foe strikes at you, you whip your blade to the side to cut the tip from his weapon, leaving him defenseless!As you strike, however, the rod flexes. Too late, you recognize it as the bone of a ray, both pliant and tough. It snakes around your blade to pierce the soft flesh of your throat, and the poison of the barb stills your muscles. You fall to the rocky shore, no longer able to move."Treacherous king," the warrior speaks from above, as the life drains from you, "my hunt is over, for you've fallen by my hand. When we meet again, it will be in the next world." Then, as you watch, he leaps lightly into his ship and cuts through the waves, departing your realm in triumph. As your vision fades, you watch your blood stain the grey surf...
You awaken groggily, finding yourself back in your own room, the early morning sunlight peeking through the curtains. The pain and weakness that accompanied the first activation of your circuits have mercifully faded with the night's passing. Rising to bathe and dress, you consider the state of the War. With Saber, Lancer, and Assassin out of the question, only half of your enemies remain; aside from the enigmatic priest and his Servant, of course. All will need to be eliminated in time, but today you think it's best to...>[ ] Hunt for the weakened Archer. In his current state, it may be possible for you and Caster to finish him off. (Pride)>[ ] Assault Rider's ship. With his new Master, he's currently the only Servant other than Caster who's part of a working team. The most dangerous enemy should be destroyed first, you feel. (Duty)>[ ] Make contact with Berserker. If you can eliminate her Master or convince her to betray him, Adelheid may well come over to your side, becoming an invaluable ally in the fight against Archer and Rider. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)>[ ] Remain in the university to train your magical and martial abilities. Whatever the other Servants do is immaterial as long as you have a fortified base of operations. The most important thing for you to see to is your personal combat potential. (Self-Preservation/Duty)
>>3387417>[ ] Remain in the university to train your magical and martial abilities. Whatever the other Servants do is immaterial as long as you have a fortified base of operations. The most important thing for you to see to is your personal combat potential. (Self-Preservation/Duty)
>>3387417>[ ] Make contact with Berserker. If you can eliminate her Master or convince her to betray him, Adelheid may well come over to your side, becoming an invaluable ally in the fight against Archer and Rider. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)As great as getting stronger would be, Rider isn't likely to stay put, and there's no guarantee he won't try to kill Berserker today.
>>3387417>[ ] Make contact with Berserker. If you can eliminate her Master or convince her to betray him, Adelheid may well come over to your side, becoming an invaluable ally in the fight against Archer and Rider. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)OkSomething is definitely fucky with the dream cycle.We should NOT be recounting Oddyseus' life.
>>3387417>[ ] Remain in the university to train your magical and martial abilities. Whatever the other Servants do is immaterial as long as you have a fortified base of operations. The most important thing for you to see to is your personal combat potential. (Self-Preservation/Duty)Caster can't do much in a fight against Archer, so it's up to us to pick up the slack
>>3387452Nothing has changed from me wanting us to use the grail to ruin basically everything for the shitty modern magi.We even have the memories (sort of) of a king from the Age of Gods, our victory is predestined.Whatever Cid has planned our wish is far more malicious.You know, unless he also wants to bring the Age of Gods back for whatever reason himself. Then the final confrontation becomes incredibly awkward.
>>3387472>We both want to bring back the gods >the final battle goes from an epic contest between opposing viewpoints into two guys literally fighting for good boy points from the gods
>>3387472So, is the wish you want to make literally "bring back the Age of the Gods" or do you have some specifics in mind?
>>3387501I'm still mentally workshopping the best phrasing for it to actually work but...Essentially, yes.
>>3387507I mean, maybe phrasing it in such a way as to make Circe a goddess again would be better.
>>3387417>>[ ] Make contact with Berserker. If you can eliminate her Master or convince her to betray him, Adelheid may well come over to your side, becoming an invaluable ally in the fight against Archer and Rider. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)Are we going to be on a nickname basis?
>>3387528I hope not, if this wins, for our sake.I'm still on the fence but, if we do go with this, we need to explain to Caster that there are no other Servants capable of defeating Rider in a direct conflict.
>>3387528Not if we want to live we won't be.Have we even called Circe "Circe" once yet?
>>3387472I'm still against the idea. It's an all-or-nothing gambit that really doesn't benefit us in any reasonable way.The fact that we're seeing Odysseus' memories is a warning sign, not some omen that our victory is predestined. Not only does it mean that something is horribly wrong with whatever is going on in this grail war, Odysseus spent a decade of his life getting delayed from his goal by Poseidon and only made it because Poseidon only wanted to fuck with him for those 10 years. Not exactly a sure sign that we'll progress towards our victory.Also remember that the Circe we have with us is just a shitty, watered-down copy of the actual Circe because that's how servants work. I don't think it's wise to turn a familiar into a literal god.>>3387543At this stage, there's pretty much no other servants period. Archer is sure to be a pain, but he's in deep shit right now and also our mortal enemy. Berserker is our only hope for getting help.
>>3387554Hey fuck you. Don't be rude to Circe.Now I'm definitely doing all I can to make her a Goddess.Unironically what is the worst that could happen.
>>3387564Remember that one time when Berserker was singing Nibelungenlied?That's the worst that could happen.
>>3387572>*singing that reference to...How did that not go through?
>>3387572Coffee date with cute girls?Nice!
>>3387564The Counter Force. All of it. Aimed at our faces.
>>3387586Counter Force can suck my dick, this is an artificial world (and we've rejected our humanity too)By the time we make the wish it will be too late to change anything by killing us.
>>3387595>By the time we make the wish it will be too late to change anything by killing us.K Fuhrer-sama
>>3387584Don't be disingenuous, you dumbo, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
>>3387595>this is an artificial worldBut that's the problem. This world will come apart once whatever magecraft sustains it is destroyed.There's also the possibility that we restore the Age of Gods and turn Circe into a goddess, but only in this artificial world which then collapses because it can't be sustained and who the fuck knows what happens to Circe then.
>>3387604But the grail isn't dumb and we could just make sure it targets the world outside of the false one we're in.It had no problem snatching us away, did it?
>>3387607But the Grail IS dumb. That's why it has so many problems, like listening to Manjuice and not being able to do anything the user doesn't already know how to do.The Grail isn't even what snatched everybody up. That was Cid.
>>3387615If it can copy data from the Throne it can fuck with the world.Regardless, if we want to do this we have one of the greatest magi in existence to aid us in creating the perfect phrasing for the wish.
>>3387624Oh right, and if there's a n y o n e, who would know how to restart the Age of Gods, it would be Circe, probably.So many factors have perfectly aligned for us to be able to make this wish>we're modified to an extent that we no longer count as human so Alaya probably doesn't know what the fuck is up with us>we're in an artificial world that likely has no way to be left or be entered until the war is over>we summoned an Ex-Goddess, one of the few who likely have the knowledge of how to make the Age of Gods actually occur once moreIt's a once in a hundred lifetimes opportunity, even if it goes poorly, we'll have made every single magus on the entire planet screech in incoherent rage and fear at the same time.And that's worth the price.
>>3387624But it can't copy data from the throne. That's why magi have to promise the Heroic Spirits that they'll get a wish. Heroic Spirits can outright reject summoning otherwise. What fucks with the world isn't the Grail itself but the user, presuming said user actually know hows to actually accomplish their goal.It doesn't matter that we have a great magus if we just, y'know, don't want to do this. There's just no benefit to us. We either a) succeed and become practically irrelevant as a being or b) fail and get annihilated.Wording also doesn't really matter because the grail doesn't care about wording since it can't really grant wishes. It pokes a hole.>>3387662Even if we presume it's possible, I just don't see the point. Trying to restart the Age of Gods can only be detrimental to Rushorou. And make all mages screech? Just... why? We've met two - Sean and Truvi - and have no reason to hate them that much.I don't really see any reason to do this aside from the fact that we "can" (again presuming that we actually can), and in general, doing stuff because you "can" is pretty stupid. For example, we can kill Matsuda in his sleep tonight. But it's a stupid idea.
>>3387698Yeah, we've basically stopped putting ourselves in Rushorou's shoes and thinking meta.
>>3387706*and started thinking meta
>>3387698The thing is, even if we win this war, we'd still be irrelevant compared to a lot of the big boys.If we brought the gods back, it's possible we might still be irrelevant, but damn it if they don't think we're the coolest human ever.Besides, if it goes perfectly we'd be a magus that has the total support of an actual Goddess of Magic.As opposed to a magus with a Caster Servant, which is pretty impressive I guess.Also bringing back the Age of Gods will appease Gaia, who is on the constant verge of a human eradicating spergeout because of their rapid expansionism and growth.
>>3387706>>3387711To be fair shit like Alaya not being a problem won't even cross Rushorou's mind.Nor will the idea of Alaya existing. This wish, if it gets made, relies solely on what Caster tells us about the Age of Gods and how much she romanticizes it.So far we know that humans are incompetent and managed to ruin magic taught by gods by being stupid.
>>3387729>Yumigawa surmised that gods can only exist in the Age of Gods because there are none running around in the Age of Man>Knows that Circe used to be a god>Has enough [COMPASSION] to want to help the people close to him but not enough to think about some randos he doesn't know aboutI'd say there's a motive to do it already. It needs some reinforcing, that's all.
>>3387716>>3387729>>3387740It also relies on Rushorou either having little to no knowledge of mythology or deciding the world would somehow benefit from the reintroduction of beings who act basically like humans who have their flaws cranked up to 11 and constantly abuse their power. Greek mythology alone is an absolute clusterfuck, and if Rushorou knows anything about it he wouldn't be too keen to revive that sort of being.
>>3387761I don't know...Circe is pretty nice...
>>3387761>It also relies on Rushorou either having little to no knowledge of mythologyCheck>Greek mythology alone is an absolute clusterfuckLuckily, nobody worships them anymore so when they come back they won't be gods anymore. I'm hoping.Sweets, care to confirm that?
>>3387785Honestly, we have no idea what the fuck will happen if we make the wish.If other gods do return who knows?With all the divine favour we'd get from it if other Gods also managed to return we'd probably end up with A+++ or EX luck or something.
>>3387777Right. That's why she turned her romantic rival into Scylla and gave us food to turn us into a pig at our first meeting. Because that's what nice people do.>>3387785We've seen Circe's past in a few dreams, and have also seen a little bit of Odysseus' past for some reason. But if we reintroduce the Age of Gods, it makes that we would eventually get more gods who are similar to the gods the last time we had an Age of Gods - that is, deeply flawed assholes who like to throw their weight around.
>>3387800To be fair we in character have no idea that that food was the transformation type.And fuck if we'll ever find out.Dealing with people for getting in your way is just what you're supposed to do though?
>>3387800>But if we reintroduce the Age of Gods, it makes that we would eventually get more gods who are similar to the gods the last time we had an Age of GodsI don't see it myself.I've already explained my reasoning. What's yours?
>>3387800>deeply flawed assholes who like to throw their weight aroundSo they're just like the general mage community
>>3387777>>3387800Fun fact - abusing hospitality, either as a host or as a guest, was one of the worst possible sins in ancient Greece. Circe feeding people pig transformation food makes her an awful person by her society's standards. Rushorou doesn't know that so it won't affect how he sees things, but I just thought I would share.>>3387805I've already explained mine, too - simply by the fact that we're restarting an Age of Gods, and you can't have one of those without gods. If Circe regains her divinity, I don't see why she would be the only one who can regain or can gain new divinity in the new age. It's not like people worship Circe either, after all.
>>3387818At least the Gods aren't all trying to plot how to tear reality a new asshole every 15 seconds.
>>3387825>I've already explained mine, too - simply by the fact that we're restarting an Age of Gods, and you can't have one of those without gods.We already have gods ready to jump in.>It's not like people worship Circe either, after all.Then we'll have to fix that, won't we?So how will we do that? We could form a cult around her, which will result in her return -- even if our Servant is gone there's a Heroic Spirit on the Throne that'll remember us, and that one will become a god.
>>3387825You know I don't think Rushorou "Victory is all that matters, how I achieve it doesn't matter!" Yumigawa would care either way about hospitality rules.He is complicit with literal fucking super brainwashing, after all.
The next time we get the chance we should have everyone exchange phone numbers, so we can all keep in touch after the war ends.Also so we can laugh at Truvi for not having a phone.
>>3387836https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY-pUxKQMUEIt doesn't matter if we can or can't or how we'll fix this or that. It's a bad idea with little to no benefit for Rushorou or anyone he knows. The exception is perhaps Circe presuming that we manage to engineer things perfectly. Then MAYBE Rushorou if the original Circe sees us as anything more than a character in a book she read since that's the closest analogy for how Heroic Spirits store the information they receive from their summoned copies.The only real motivator I can see here is the players' desire, not Rushorou's, to jump on an opportunity to fuck with the world based on lore and theorization that Rushorou himself doesn't have any knowledge of or interest in.>>3387838It doesn't really matter since Rushorou will never know. I just thought I should mention it since Circe is really only nice to Rushorou and nobody else.>>3387892Now this is a fun idea. However, I suggest we wait so as not to piss Truvi off since she's currently still feeling awful about losing Lancer.
>>3387908Well, I suppose I can't convince you.In that case let's just agree to disagree and let the votes decide it when it comes to that.
>>3387908Well, if it fits in character by Rushorou finding out more about the world. Right now we know that >gods used to walk among us>magic was better back in the daySo not massive reasons to do it so far. But still a reason.We can ask Circe more about the Age of Gods later on.
'Today' you think as you shower, 'the best thing to do would be to make contact with Berserker. If I can cement an alliance with her, we should have enough firepower to take down Rider or Archer without trouble. The question is, will Adelheid be wandering the city again, or must I deal with her Master?'With the day's course laid out ahead of you, you dress. Yesterday's cream suit was much better at mitigating the summer heat of the Eighth City than your previous clothing, and you pick another like it. Then you head down to the dining hall to see when breakfast will be had. The large room proves to contain two inhabitants, locked in a heated argument: Truvietianne and Kikuko. Seeing them before they notice you, you decide to hang back just outside of the room, taking advantage of the shadowed corridor to listen in on their conversation."If you had so little attachment to the Holy Grail as to simply give up when captured, why on earth did you betray us in the first place?" Truvietianne shouts indignantly."We~ll," Kikuko replies, drawing out the syllable as she thinks, "it's not like I came up with the plan, you know? It was, like, all Archer and Keiseki-oji-san. I've just, like, been trying to survive. I mean this whole place is totally crazy, you know? People are just dying constantly, and I didn't want to end up like that, and Archer seemed like he totally knew what was up!""I see," Truvietianne sighs, laying her head in her hands, "this war truly has been filled with convictionless morons.""Hey!" Kikuko exclaims; now its her turn to be indignant. "Just because I'm not, like, coming up with plans to kill people all the time, that doesn't make me some kinda idiot! Like, we're supposed to be summoning heroes, right? So why should a normal girl like me be better at this kinda thing than a hero, huh?""That doesn't mean," Truvietianne says, leaning forward in anger with palms flat on the table, "that you shouldn't at least try! We're supposed to be Masters! You can't just let your Servant tell you what to do!"Kikuko breaks into a malicious smirk as she answers, "I don't think you've got, like, much room to comment, you know? Your dumb method got your Servant killed, but my Archer's still out there even after I'm, like, out of the running! I bet the only reason you've managed to live this long is because you found Yumigawa-kun to protect you.""Ooh!" Truvietianne lets out a huff of incoherent rage, "you little simpleton! How dare you speak to me that way, when you're nothing but a prisoner! My alliance with Yumigawa-kun was an equal partnership! Just because my Servant happened to die first, that doesn't mean I was just following him around being protected!""Huh," Kikuko says with an acid tone of sarcastic realization, "I guess a rich girl like you is, like, so used to being coddled and taken care of, you don't even notice it anymore! Kyahahahaha~!"
Assaulted by Kikuko's mocking laughter, Truvietianne's face turns a shocking color as her fury continues to intensify. Beyond all restraint, the girl pulls a hand back, winding up to slap Kikuko.>[ ] Step in and mitigate the fight. (Pride/Compassion)>[ ] Quietly exit the scene. Go looking for someone else in the university. (Write in who you want to see) (Self-Preservation)
>>3388110>[ ] Step in and mitigate the fight. (Pride/Compassion)Ladies, please, I'm taken
>>3388110>[ ] Step in and mitigate the fight. (Pride/Compassion)Tell kikuko to stop antagonizing Truviet. Take some small measure of blame for walking into a somewhat well thought out ambush; but point out that Truviet is right. This is (not was) an equal partnership. Then get Truviet's opinion on our plan to try to convince Berserker to assist us in MURDERING that dick face Archer and Rider. Infom Trivet that Rider has a new master.
>>3388110>[ ] Step in and mitigate the fight. (Pride/Compassion)"And, just, what might you two be doing?"We will not allow infighting.
>>3388110>[ ] Step in and mitigate the fight. (Pride/Compassion)First, stop Truvi's hand and remind her that we both know she's above lashing out like that. Then >>3388129 but also point out at an appropriate time that you can't really blame someone for not wanting to be killed.Since we know Kikuko's past, we could hit her right now with how she's let people coddle her her entire life including this world and war, but let's not do that now.
Before Truvietianne can finish the motion, you interpose yourself between the two girls, walking up to the side of the table and catching her by the wrist. "Miss Edelfelt," you say, voice soft and flat, "aren't you better than to strike someone over such a trivial argument?"The furious girl lets out an indignant gasp, turning to see you. "Y-Yumigawa-kun?" She stamps on your foot under the table, her high-heel digging into you, before pulling her hand from your grasp and composing herself, "of course, you're right," she says, "physical violence would be below my dignity.""Of course," you reply dryly, and then turn to Kikuko. "Munahara, stop provoking Miss Edelfelt," you order, "it may be true that we were mistaken in walking into your ambush, but right now you're both without Servants. Neither of you has any room to criticize. Besides," you continue, "the alliance between myself and Miss Edelfelt was and is one of equals. Even with Lancer gone, I still value her strategic input.""Oka~y," Kikuko answers, "whatever you say, Yumigawa-kun."Concluding that the matter of conflict between Truvietianne and Kikuko is resolved, you sit down in another chair, opposite Truvietianne. "On the subject of your input," you say, "I'd like your opinion on my next move in the war.""Oh?" Truvietianne replies, meeting your eyes suspiciously, "You'd still like my advice, even after I've been removed from the War?""That's right," you say, "you're a skilled magus, and an intelligent girl. That's reason enough to seek your advice, if you're willing to give it."At your words, Truvietianne's spirits visibly rise, and her already considerable chest seems to swell with pride. "In that case," she says, "by all means, tell me about your plight.""You see," you begin, "the other day, I met with Berserker outside of the university. Fortunately, she was without her Master, and I was able to keep the matter peaceful. During our discussion, she revealed to me that she's unsatisfied with her current Master; apparently the man has no courage, and spends all his time drinking at the hotel where they're staying.""What a loser," Kikuko remarks, giggling, "you two saw her using him as a footstool when we first met Rider, right? It was, like, super hilarious!"You'd actually forgotten the affair, but now that Kikuko's prompted it, the mental image returns; it's a bit off-putting, frankly. "Er, yes," you reply. "At any rate, Berserker seemed to approve of my abilities as a Master. I think it may be possible to convince her to become my Servant, along with Caster; with the two working together, it would be much easier to handle Archer and Rider. Your thoughts?"
As soon as the words are out of your mouth, Truvietianne leaps to her feet in shock, shouting, "you want to have two Servants at once?" Flushing, she takes a moment to compose herself and return to her seat before continuing in a more normal tone, "that's ridiculous. It's totally impossible. There's no magus with that much mystic energy! I mean, haven't you felt how much energy it takes just to maintain one Servant?""Not really," you answer, "I wasn't a magus before this, after all, so it's not like I can really feel the absence of something I never learned to use anyway. So, there's no hope for it then?" you ask, disappointment beginning to fill you at the missed opportunity."Huh," the girl muses, "I suppose that does explain why you're so cavalier about Caster's magic use. Let me put it simply. The general amount of energy a magus can use is determined by their number of magic circuits, right? An average magus from a decent lineage has about twenty circuits. I, on the other hand, being descended from the ancient Edelfelt lineage of magic, have fifty-three. Now, if you wanted to sustain two Servants at once, you'd need over a hundred magic circuits! I't just not possible.""So it's just a quantity problem, huh," you mutter, relieved. You'd been worried Truvietianne was right, and it really was impossible, but it seems your empowerment by the pseudo-grail is coming in handy once again. "Well, thanks for the information, Miss Edelfelt." Having resolved the girls' fight and gotten Truvietianne's feedback on your plan, you've done about everything you might need to here. You decide to...>[ ] Make a polite exit and go looking for Caster, Matsuda, or Ogawara. (Write in who)>[ ] Stay here and continue talking with Truvietianne and/or Kikuko. (Write in subject)>[ ] Go for a walk in the gardens.>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
>>3388322>[ ] Stay here and continue talking with Truvietianne and/or Kikuko. (Our magecraft capability with Truvietianne)I mean...We're gonna have to tell her eventually. And otherwise she'll think we're a fucking retard for going after Berserker anyway. Then we'll STILL have to explain it if we are successful at our plan.
>>3388322>I't just not possibleFuck. Just noticed this. Should say It's just not possible.
>>3388322I support >>3388329Also throwing in that rider is still in the fight with a new master. (I cant remember if we told her we killed riders master or not)
>>3388329>>3388350Supporting both of these.
We should probably make it a point that he isn't going to let us near his new Master, after killing his old one, so we see no other way of defeating him.It's not a point to them but to a most definite third party observer.
Also>you'd need over a hundred magic circuits! I't just not possible.> I, on the other hand, being descended from the ancient Edelfelt lineage of magic, have fifty-threeYou know, it's possible magecraft is deteriorating quite rapidly in the modern era.Considering that Rin and Luvia both had 100 or so with their Crests.And Truvi here is talking like that shit is impossible.Unless Truvi doesn't have a Crest. If magecraft is dying that's just another reason to bring back those cool Gods.And one more possibility to consider. Alaya might see us as something that needs to not exist regardless of our actions due to our nature. But that's pure speculation.
>>3388384Maybe she just didn't include her Crest in the count. She might have 100 with that Crest and be telling us that we can't get a second Servant because we don't.I doubt she would want to reveal important secrets about herself in the open.
>>3388406Maybe.Maybe.It's possible she doesn't have it or something happened to the Edelfelt crest though.
>>3388329>>3388322Support. >Kikuko is gonna go around and fuck with our allies, potentially destabilizing our whole setup Goddamnit all, leaving such a shit girl walking around will be the end of us yet.
>>3388431It's fine, we'll just have to see if Ogawara can't get himself a waifu.Might fix her attitude, if he manages it.
>>3388409>It's possible she doesn't have itIf she's not the heir, she won't have it.>something happened to the crestI would hope not.
>>3388431There's literally no reason at all to keep her around anymore.
>>3388511We have to keep her away from Archer till he dies, numbnuts
>>3388511She's only a minor problem.Also she's still loyal to us, even if she's problematic. It's experience for dealing with problematic yet loyal subjects in the future.And I'd rather not kill the idiot girl unless we have to.
>>3388322Supporting >>3388329>>3388437The odds of him spilling his spaghetti everywhere, at least on the first meeting, are quite high. Should we have Caster unwittingly give him some sort of moderate social boost and hope he feels good enough after the first encounter to continue talking to Kikuko?
>>3388384Crests have highly specialized circuits that can only be used for the actualization of the mysteries encoded in them. For developing new magic, or for general use of od such as sustaining a Servant, the circuits from a Crest are useless.Also, Rin had eighty circuits including her crest IIRC.
>>3388811>unwittingly>not asking Circe to make him a self-help book
>>3388844>asking Circe for woman advice>to give to a different guy to help him get a gf>who happens to be the girl we brainwashed??????????????IUh?????????I can't even begin to imagine her reaction.
>>3388885Probably laugh if we told her that we want to get Ogawara a gf. She's not going to go yandere over one less competitor that wasn't competing in the first place.
>>3388885What?it's not us who's getting the new gf.
>>3388518By that logic we should have every potential master living in our secret base
>>3388954pfft. Too bad they're all dead.
>>3388954Sure, because every Servant can survive for a week without a Master
>>3388844>self-help book>from a woman whose relationships are the essence of unhealthy attachmentIt's probably best we just give Ogawara a little push and let him handle this on his own.>>3388954At this stage, we do. Rider killed the rest.
>>3388968>It's probably best we just give Ogawara a little push and let him handle this on his own.Can we at least give him some magic cologne or sorcerous breath-mints?
>>3389013Nah, he has to come out of his own shell.That being said, some bro time wouldn't hurt.
>artists impression of wishing to re-enact the Age of Gods, circa 2019
>>3389013That'd be the point of the moderate magic social boost, whatever it might be. At least at first, he needs to come out of his shell and Kikuko needs to remain interested enough to continue talking to him. After that, hopefully he'll realize that his chances go up when he takes care of himself and will start doing it on his own.
>>3389025>>3389041He could still use an extra edge, depending on how well he cleans up.
>>3389068Look, if you can't tell why it's a bad idea to give an (ex) Greek Goddess encouragement to meddle in people's affairs of love then I don't quite know what to tell you.
>>3388437I don't understand the point of the matchmaking plan, it's a waste of time
>>3389329It just might go a way to helping them both become better people.I wonder if we can make sure they all survive the new Age of Gods somehow...
>>3389357Seems like a pretty big stretch to me
>>3389368Sweets said Ogawara getting a waifu would improve him as a person.Let's see if the same holds true for Kikuko getting a husbando.I mean, it's not like it would take up that much of our time anyway.
>>3389372Eh. All that would be improved about Ogawara would be his lack of confidence; it's not like a relationship would grant some kind of general moral improvement to either one.
>>3389372I personally see Kikuko as too manipulative to match with anyone or to even keep her here
>>3389468I mean, we did do away with her incredibly over inflated sense of self importance.and also instilled absolute fuckin loyalty.There's only so much naturally being manipulative will do for you when you can just be told "fucking stop that" and be unable to resist the command.
>>3389464Curses.Well we'll see if she can become less worthless.If she is stubborn in being a nuisance we can do some more rewriting.
"I don't think that'll be a problem for me, though," you say, "does the average magus really only have 20 circuits?""Well, yes," Truvietianne replies, "that's an ordinary number. Why? What do you mean, it won't be a problem?""Simple," you say, "I have 126 magic circuits. It seems that the transformation I underwent improved the magical capacity of my body as much as its physical capabilities."Truvietianne's face goes pale, and her mouth widens in an 'O' of surprise. "A-a hundred and..." she collapses back into her chair, utterly shaken.While Truvietianne's still trying to process the revelation, Kikuko speaks up. "Guess now I know why you can, like, fight the way you can," she says, before curiously asking, "so what's this, like 'transformation' you're talking about, Yumigawa-kun?" From the chair next to you, the girl leans in to closely examine your hair and eyes, "is that why you look so... unique?" As she speaks, you can feel her breath on your skin; her eyes fill up your vision, and-You take Kikuko by the shoulder and firmly return her to a normal conversational distance. "Ahem," you clear your throat, trying to get your derailed train of thought back into working order. "Yes," you manage, "I, ah, hm." You flounder for words for a moment, your head still spinning from the unexpected near-kiss. Is this how Ogawara feels when he tries to talk? Concentrating on the decidedly unromantic subject of the other boy, you finally manage to regain your calm. "When I summoned Caster, the artifact that facilitated it gave me the opportunity to take some kind of power into myself. I did, and this is the result. Apparently, I've ceased to be human.""Huh," Kikuko nods, apparently perturbed by neither the embarrassing situation she put you into nor your rejection, "I guess that's what those silver coins were for, huh? I was wondering, like what'd happen to me if I used them on myself. Didn't want to take the risk, though. Thanks for, like, giving me a demonstration! Kususu~" Kikuko lets out a giggle, remembering her own experience summoning a Servant.You hear the scrape of wood on stone as Truvietianne's chair slides back from the table. Apparently she's recovered, as she gets up to go. "Well," she says huffily, "clearly you'll have no trouble with Berserker, Yumigawa-kun." She spins on her heel, calling back as she flounces away, "I suggest you go looking for her right now!"The girl does have a point. Adelheid is clearly hotheaded, although perhaps not to such an extreme as her class would imply; you can easily imagine her rushing to attack Archer or Rider alone, having become fed up of her loathed Master. As you're pondering the idea, Caster enters from the kitchens, with Matsuda and Ogawara at her heels, carrying covered serving trays.
As the two students set the trays down and reveal the contents, you observe six bowls of the steaming porridge; enough for all of you, including Truvietianne. "I'm not sure Miss Edelfelt will be eating with us," you say, not wanting Caster's handiwork to go to waste."Is that so?" Caster asks, "In that case, I'll just leave it in her room." With a snap of her fingers, one bowl vanishes.As the five of you eat, you explain your concerns about getting to Berserker before she winds up fighting Rider or Archer to Caster. After breakfast, you'd like to leave immediately, determine her location, and assuming she's still at the hotel...>[ ] ...approach the place directly and diplomatically. Gain entry by proposing an alliance with the Master of Berserker, and then convince Adelheid to betray him.>[ ] ...make use of Caster's magic to attempt to contact Berserker without encountering her Master at all, and convince her to betray him.>[ ] ...approach stealthily, overlooking the place from a distance. Begin long-range bombardment to wipe out the human Master while Berserker's greater endurance keeps her safe.>[ ] You have another plan (write in)
Kikuko's gonna end up a modern-day Scylla, isn't she? Minus the part where we fall for her.
>>3389969>[ ] ...make use of Caster's magic to attempt to contact Berserker without encountering her Master at all, and convince her to betray him.>long-range bombarding Hitler-chan Talk about ways to ruin an alliance
>>3389969>[ ] ...make use of Caster's magic to attempt to contact Berserker without encountering her Master at all, and convince her to betray him.Did telling Truvi the truth upset her?...Was she counting on us letting her be Berserker's Master.
>>3390054Almost certainly. Imagine being so thoroughly btfo and dominated. In other news, if Kikuko can even approach being able to entrance the immortal, invincible, undefeatable, perfect, unyielding, undying, and overall badass Yumigawa Rushurou she’s gotta go. Damn thots.
>>3390064To be fair, we wanted an alliance and letting her take Berserker would make us enemies after Rider and Archer are gone.Really though we can make the wish after we kill Cid's servant and 6 servants have been killed in total.Not being able to control one of the servants however is too risky. Also the whole Root path thing isn't something that we know or care about anyway so we probably won't need 7.Even if we did know about it it's far too dangerous.
>>3390064>immortal, invincible, undefeatable, perfect, unyielding, undying,I have some bad news for you.
>>3390124Fake news, Yumigawa is the ultimate lifeform.
>>3390124>doesn’t include the “overall badass”This is what we call negotiating from an elevated position boys
>>3390172>has his Servant, a literal goddess, only refer to him as masterYou're aware that may change in the near future, right?
>>3390197Yes anon, I am aware.I was just highlighting the fact.
>>3389969>[ ] You have another plan (write in)First, scry for Berserker and her master, and get a good look at the master in the process. We should know what we're up against. Presuming there are no extenuating circumstances, sneak to them across the city so as not to get ambushed by Rider or Archer and then openly present ourselves. We can then decide whether to try tricking Berserker's master or to take the direct route and take Berserker by force.If there's something else going on, like they're being attacked or something, we'll come up with a different plan.>>3390054Truvi probably doesn't have her command seals anymore since she's not from one of the founding families and her servant died. She's probably angry that we've got her so beaten in terms of circuits and probably also mad that we didn't tell her earlier, like with the homunculus thing.>>3390172You can't leave out that he looks like a JoJo villain and as such is inherently aesthetic and incredibly handsome as a mere high school boy.
>>3390226I mean, we can literally say we only just found out from Caster.All of this is new to us.She told us how many she has so we told her how many we have, too.
>>3390226>>3389969Switching to support Scrying. Honestly, I’m such an idiot. Imagine *not* getting more info when you can.
>>3390226I guess I'll switch to scrying too.If the situation seems OK can we go straight to contacting Berserker?Oh boy, this will be an experience, dealing with Berserker with Caster by our side.
You know, as I think about the plot of the quest as a whole, my mind keeps returning to the timeline in which you folks played as Matsuda and summoned Archer. That would have been amazing.
>>3390306Berserker seemed to appreciate our forwardness last time, so I think it's a good idea to maintain that when dealing with her.>>3390345Matsuda would have been happy as hell to have the ultimate western badass as a partner, wouldn't he?
>>3390345Would’ve been one of my 80’s anime, all badass and musclebound
>>3390345Ogawara/Rider quest would have had some serious meme potential
>>3390364It's funny though.Rushorou is probably the best person out of the starting four to summon a Caster servant, just because he's an apathetic piece of shit who wouldn't oppose any morally dubious method Caster brings up as an option because it's "bad".
>>3390382>apathetic piece of shit Such cruel words to describe a man who was chosen by heaven!
>>3390392No.Rushorou is not the man chosen by heaven.Rushorou is the man who will choose heaven.
What sort of outfit should we go for when we resurrect the gods and become their Champion on Earth and ruler of mankind?
>>3390382I think the only really evil Caster would be Paracelsus, because he was an Association Magus in life.>>3390550What kind of question is this?
>>3390681Paracelsus doesn't act at all like an association magus though.He was so autistic about trying to share knowledge the MA sent Enforcers after him.I mean fuck, the dudes dying words were "When all of you return to each of your homes, please be affectionate to your children. Even showing it to your neighbors’ kids is fine. As the light that I sought, is in them". And whilst the suit is cool, it doesn't quite display the majesty a true king should have.
>>3390707>>Paracelsus doesn't act at all like an association magus though.>During the events of the Prototype Grail War, Paracelsus displayed a surprisingly cruel and remorseless side to his personality by accepting Manaka's offer to switch sides by slaying his previous Master and spiting Assassin by taunting her inability to obtain physical comfort without killing the one who holds her, while simultaneously offering her the corpse of Tatsumi as the only thing she could ever hold.So given a push, he becomes an asshole.Also he's obsessed with reaching the Root.>>And whilst the suit is cool, it doesn't quite display the majesty a true king should have.That's our casual wear, anon.
>[X] First, scry for Berserker and her master, and get a good look at the master in the process. We should know what we're up against. Presuming there are no extenuating circumstances, sneak to them across the city so as not to get ambushed by Rider or Archer and then openly present ourselves. We can then decide whether to try tricking Berserker's master or to take the direct route and take Berserker by force. If there's something else going on, like they're being attacked or something, we'll come up with a different plan.Had to go for a few hours there. Roll d100.
Rolled 79 (1d100)>>3390906No p QM
Rolled 17 (1d100)>>3390906
Rolled 41 (1d100)>>3390906
Rolled 60 (1d100)>>3390906
>>3390908>inb4 the DC was 80
>>3390944Does Sweets even do DCs?
>>3390957Yes, but they're hidden. He even mentioned relationship checks.
>>3390751Anon, that was after getting fucked by some bitch with soul fuckery powers because they were connected to the Root.And he still felt like shit.May as well blame Saber for Saber Alter.
As the five of you finish breakfast, you look around before announcing, "I'd like to discuss today's strategy. I'm concerned that if we don't get to her soon, Berserker will wind up fighting Archer and Rider alone. It follows," you continue, "that we must make her recruitment our present focus.""I'm afraid I don't see just how that 'follows'," Caster replies coldly, "I would think you'd be happy to see our enemies defeating each other.""It's not a matter of our enemies defeating one another," you say, "it's a matter of the loss of a useful ally. Right now, Rider's great strength and Archer's magic resistance still pose major obstacles for us to overcome. If we can bring Berserker into my service, we'll have a much easier time achieving victory.""It did seem that Berserker thought well of you," Caster admits, "but do you really believe you have a better chance of convincing her to betray her Master and come over to our side than of simply defeating Rider and Archer individually?" She raises raises a skeptical eyebrow as she continues, "She is a Berserker, after all. It could be her attitude last time you met was only a passing whim.""In the end," you say, "it doesn't really matter. If she remains an implacable enemy, I'll have to destroy her whether we try this plan or not. In that case, there's no loss in battling her before the others. If she can be turned to our side, however, she'll be an invaluable asset against Archer's magic resistance." "Alright then," Caster replies, "if you're set on the idea, there's no reason for me to keep arguing about it. What's your plan to deal with her Master?""What I'd like to do, Caster," you begin, "is observe Berserker's situation first. Once we've ascertained the truth or falsity of her claims regarding her distaste for the Master of Berserker, we can determine a course of action.""Well then, let's see," Caster says, "I think those two should still be at their hotel." As speaks, Caster draws from nowhere her scrying dish, laying it at the center of the table for the whole group to lean over and view. First, the aerial view of a luxury hotel appears, before the point of view shifts inwards, to show a fully stocked bar, its sole occupant in the act of refilling a drink. The man is heavyset and broad, although at a glance you'd guess it's muscle, rather than fat. He wears a leather jacket, white shirt, and faded blue jeans, and his head is shaved to resemble a cue-ball.
"Nothin' for me here," you faintly hear the man mutter into his glass, "this fuckin' bar is the only thing works properly in this whole bullshit 'war,' and that's without havin' a bartender. Summon ancient heroes my ass." His speech is slurred, and as you watch he gulps down a glass of bourbon as if it were a shot. Suddenly, Cid stands behind the bar, wearing a tuxedo in place of his devout garb. He seems to have arrived with no motion through the surrounding space, and there were none of the perceptible effects of magic that accompany Caster's spacial transportation. He simply wasn't there one moment, and then was. You blink a few times, but the mysterious man remains, pouring the drunken biker a new drink with a beatific smile."So," he says, "not satisfied with the Holy Grail War, are you? Has it failed to deliver the excitement and adventure a man like you craves?" "Excitement and adventure, sure! Ha!" the Master of Berserker shouts derisively, letting out a bitter laugh. "Sure, those are great. But what the hell do you expect with an ally like that, huh? You think you can pull a stunt like this and have a man still want to fight, huh? I don't know if you're dead wrong or just playin' me for a fool, and I don't know which I'd rather. Now, I guess there's nothing for me to do but drink.""You could," the bartender explains, "simply give up the right of Mastery. It is not impossible for me to find a replacement." His tone, unlike that of his conversational partner, remains flat and calm, modulated only by the slightest hint of humor."And get my chest turned into a shell-hole by that little bitch. Think I'll pass on that generous offer, 'father'." The biker is having none of it, more eager to drink and deride the priest than anything else. "Ain't no way out of my situation, preacher. You really care, just keep pouring those drinks."No response comes, however. Cid Ajisartous vanishes at the same moment that Berserker enters the bar, looking around with unmasked contempt. "What a surprise," she says, "I come looking for you to go out and fight, and you're drunk already. Tell me, 'Master', are you ever going to make an active effort to win this War?""Not so long as I'm chained to you," the big man fires back, "you're a mockery and insult to real men in uniform. That you're supposed to be the spirit of a hero makes me sick.""I doubt it," Berserker says acidly, "the whiskey seems a more likely candidate." Then she spins on her heel, evidently to leave the hotel. Caster dispels the image as the girl exits the frame.
"I don't think we can get there on foot before she finds another Servant," she says, "but I can teleport us there if you don't mind, Master. After that, what do you propose we do?">[ ] "I'll prove my superior valor through a frontal assault! If I kill that waste of flesh in the bar, I have no doubt Berserker will happily come over to our side." (Pride)>[ ] "We'll go for the diplomatic course of action; knock on the door and meet this drunkard in the flesh. If possible, kill him when he's not suspecting it, like Keiseki." (Self-Preservation)>[ ] "I'd rather attempt to sneak in and take the Master unawares. We can make our appeal to Berserker after she's cut off from his mystic energy." (Duty)>[ ] Another plan (write in)
>>3391418>[ ] "I'll prove my superior valor through a frontal assault! If I kill that waste of flesh in the bar, I have no doubt Berserker will happily come over to our side." (Pride)He's drunkFalse diplomacy won't work well.I'd like us to kill or incapacitate him quickly.Maybe bring a sword or reinforced knife or something to cut off his arm with the command spells on quickly.If they are visible. Otherwise, killing blow to start.
>>3391420Can't Caster just teleport us right next to him so we can pull off a PSSSSSSH NOTHIN PERSONNEL?Also what the fuck is Cid doing.
>>3391418>[ ] "We'll go for the diplomatic course of action; knock on the door and meet this drunkard in the flesh. If possible, kill him when he's not suspecting it, like Keiseki." (Self-Preservation)safer
>>3391418>[ ] "I'll prove my superior valor through a frontal assault! If I kill that waste of flesh in the bar, I have no doubt Berserker will happily come over to our side." (Pride)I want you to know that I read Biker-man’s dialogue in Randy Savage’s voice.
>>3391416>He wears a leather jacket, white shirt, and faded blue jeans, and his head is shaved to resemble a cue-ball.So he's a skinhead? Makes sense I guess.>>3391418>[ ] "I'd rather attempt to sneak in and take the Master unawares. We can make our appeal to Berserker after she's cut off from his mystic energy." (Duty)
>>3391418>[ ] "I'll prove my superior valor through a frontal assault! If I kill that waste of flesh in the bar, I have no doubt Berserker will happily come over to our side." (Pride)Poor guy is just a vet who's sick of the fact that he's teamed up with Hitler. He's got no intention to try to with the war, so a fake alliance is probably off the table. We may as well take Berserker off his hands by force.
>>3391418>[ ] "We'll go for the diplomatic course of action; knock on the door and meet this drunkard in the flesh. If possible, kill him when he's not suspecting it, like Keiseki." (Self-Preservation)You guys remember the task that she gave us, about Das Rheingold?
>>3391608That might be the key to having her betray the biker.
>>3391416>"In the end," you say, "it doesn't really matter. Pic related Yumi after obtaining the grail>>3391417We should show Hitler-chan we did our homework studying Das Rhinegold and Wagner. Let's ask Ogawara if he has found something else regarding Berserker that can help us dealing with her.
>>3391784>"In the end," you say, "it doesn't really matter.I tried so hard, and got so far;But in the end it doesn't even matter.> --Yumigawa Rushorou
Let's speculate pn Servant wishes. Circe probably wants incarnation, but we can't be sureHitler? ??? No idea. Incarnation?Wonder how the two would cope with the Age of Gods coming back...I mean ideally Circe would go full Goddess again.Would the grail have enough juice to incarnate Hitler-chan though?Probably not.Hmm.
>>3391876Circe wants Yumi's Yumi. Hitler might want to make Germany great again
>>3391950Hitler can go unify Europe or something during the chaos of the Second Age of Gods
We should really think of a way to kill Cid.It has to be either instant/too fast to think your way out of it or alternatively invisible, like a curse.We're strong but I realllly don't fancy our chances against a teleporting black key user in a fair fight.
>>3391529>>3391535You're both sort of half right.
>>3393728>Murder a ton of people/watch a ton of people get murdered>Summon our lord and Saviour Hitler>Get this weird loliI’d be drinking too
>>3393758>attempt to summon Hitler>instead of Hitler you get a blonde little girl who keeps calling you a worthless piece of shitIf Hitler didn't feel like revealing their true name most people would have no idea who the fuck they just summoned.
"Dealing with Berserker's drunken Master will be trivial," you say. "What concerns me more is how to most effectively frame the conflict in order to convince her to ally with me. To that end, I feel our best option is a simple frontal assault."Kikuko lets out a giggle at your plan. "Don't tell me your big plan is to just, like, run in there and try to look cool by like, fighting a Servant head on," the girl says mockingly."Not when you put it that way, no," you reply, a bit thrown off by the interjection, "but it is true that Berserker's main point of contention with her Master is that he's unwilling to fight. If I can make this into a straightforward battle and win, I'm sure it will convince her to come over to the more worthy Master.""Or," Caster says, a contemplative finger to her chin, "it will convince her to kill you out of a soldier's sense of honor and obligation to her former Master. No way to tell, really."You reach across the table to take her free hand in yours, firmly saying, "That's why I have you, Caster. No matter what happens, I'm sure we can fight through it together."Caster gives you a smile, and you can't quite tell if it's mocking or agreeing with your confidence. She gives you no more time to consider, though, saying, "I suppose you have it all figured out then. Tροψα!"The world swirls away, and as vision returns you find that you and Caster are standing outside the front doors of Luxury Hotel Yatsuyado. A wide set of granite steps rises perhaps a foot to the glass double-doors, rimmed with brass, through which you can see a sumptuous lobby. Before you can take a step forward to enter, Adelheid appears, having traded the dress she wore on your last meeting for the officer's uniform you first saw her in. The girl marches out with a despondent expression. As she catches sight of you, however, her gloom retreats in favor of a wide grin."Rushorou," she cries amiably, hopping down from the steps, "just the person I was hoping to see!" As she walks toward you, the girl opens her arms wide to pull you into a hug. Only at the last moment does her posture shift. She spins, throwing a left hook that's rapidly chased by a thunderous explosion. You barely escape, seeing her attack just in time to throw yourself backwards and, with the help of Caster's barrier, make it out unscathed. A wide crater now occupies the space between you and Adelheid, and as she meets your eyes over it she clicks her tongue in irritation. "Tch! I'd hoped to finish things cleanly, but I suppose it's too optimistic to assume every conflict can be resolved with the first offensive." Her smile doesn't dim, though, despite being thwarted.
"Miss Adelheid," you call out in shock, "From our last meeting, I hardly expected this kind of reception!""Oh?" She says, and her expression is the perfect picture of innocent confusion. You can almost see the question mark in the air as she considers your statement. "I could have sworn I told you to prepare for an honorable death. If you stay true to your dream, you'll be able to fall with no regrets. Isn't that what I said?"It seems that going in through the front will be more difficult than you'd hoped. Thinking fast, you decide to...>[ ] Ask Caster to reinforce you and fight Adelheid head on. If you can't incapacitate her now, you have no way of getting to her Master. (Pride/Duty)>[ ] Order Caster to delay Adelheid with magic while you head inside and defeat the Master. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Attempt negotiations now, while she's not actively attacking. Even if it's impossible to convince her to betray her Master, you may at least be able to talk her into letting you fight him. (Compassion)
>>3393998>[ ] Attempt negotiations now, while she's not actively attacking. Even if it's impossible to convince her to betray her Master, you may at least be able to talk her into letting you fight him. (Compassion)C’mon, just a good old-fashioned fight between men! No magic or superhuman enhancements involved at all!
>>3393998>[ ] Ask Caster to reinforce you and fight Adelheid head on. If you can't incapacitate her now, you have no way of getting to her Master. (Pride/Duty)Third option would likely get us killed (cowardice)A duel it is, then!>>3394001>No magic or superhuman enhancements involved at all!I get that Adolf is dumb enough to pursue Russia into the winter but he isn't that dumb.
>>3393998[ ] Attempt negotiations now, while she's not actively attacking. Even if it's impossible to convince her to betray her Master, you may at least be able to talk her into letting you fight him. (Compassion)I feel that Caster will do everything in her power to fucking kill her.Aaaand trying to 1v1 Berserker is probably an awful idea, even with reinforcement. Though she probably could've killed us there and then so maaaaaybe she's holding back?I don't know.
>>3393998>[ ] Attempt negotiations now, while she's not actively attacking. Even if it's impossible to convince her to betray her Master, you may at least be able to talk her into letting you fight him. (Compassion)Might be worth pulling out the song name now, too. I doubt she intends to ask us about it, so we'll have to be forward.
>>3393998>[ ] Attempt negotiations now, while she's not actively attacking. Even if it's impossible to convince her to betray her Master, you may at least be able to talk her into letting you fight him. (Compassion)
>>3393998Oh man, I forgot to add a write in option. You can also>[ ] Come up with another plan (write in)if you want.
>tfw you mentioned Das Rheingold but forgot about itSure, let's try negotiating, though I'm sure the reward would be a swift death.
Is this another episode of "Compassion gets us killed"?I've gotta say I don't much like this show. The fact that she's actually talking and not purely trying to murder us completely is promising(?)But if we die here, let's try... uh... fighting (???) Berserker ourselves (?????????)Guide us, Fujimura-sensei.
>>3394046If this doesn’t work, it’s another “Caster pls delay the servant while we sort of the master” episode
>>3394046I sure hope compassion options aren't just death from here on.
Looks like you all unanimously want to negotiate. Time to put Rushorou's oratorical skills to the test!Roll d20.
Rolled 8 (1d20)>>3394095Oh well.Time to die.
Rolled 16 (1d20)>>3394095Time to dive into the fireworks.
>>3394062>>3394046For what it's worth, last time Compassion meant death, so did duty. It was a situation of "going outside means death" more than anything else, and the pride option was my last way of giving you folks an out after you'd already refused to either send the command spell remotely or scout for Archer.Before that, I honestly can't think of another time I've given you an autoloss for compassion.
Rolled 7 (1d20)>>3394095
Rolled 17 (1d20)>>3394095A lil brawl
>>3394115I doubt 1 point would make much of a difference anon.
>>3394123Or perhaps it would've made all the difference in the world.
>>3394123When it comes to DCs, one point can make all the difference.
>>3394127>>339412817 is such a weird dc though.
Remember, negotiating with Hitler is just like negotiating with the Art Club about having to cut their budget.
>>3394131If you want your players to have a 20% chance of success on a d20, then 17 is the DC for the job.
Alright, after five hours of sleep, three cups of coffee and a good piss I've figured out Cid's master plan.He's actually working for Goetia, who is making a team of elite Masters who won certain Grail Wars to fight the Crypters working for the Alien God who's trying to destroy the history of mankind and descend upon Earth. The artificial world is actually the Reality Marble of Golem Keter Malkuth corrupted by Grail Mud, which makes it Hell instead of Eden. The final test is defeating the Golem using what resources are available to us, but if we refuse then we have to fight a Demon God Pillar
"Miss Adelheid," you say, "I did come here looking to battle. Not against you, however!""Hmm?" Adelheid tilts her head to the side, "just who could you hope to find here, then? Surely not Archer or Rider.""This War," you declare, "is a battle between duos. Servants are meant to battle Servants, and Masters likewise. I, the Master of Caster, have no intention of going toe-to-toe with you, Berserker. I'm here to fight the man in that hotel, your Master. I want to free you from having to battle alongside a master you can't respect, Adelheid!"For a few moments, the girl is paralyzed with indecision. "Just step aside, and let you deal with my disappointment of a Master, eh," she muses, "I can't deny it is a slightly appealing offer..."While she's considering, an idea springs to your mind to clinch the matter. "Since we're talking anyway," you say, "there's something I've been wanting to ask you. Why were you singing Erda's warning from Das Rheingold when we met before? Why did you want to warn people not to pursue the Grail?" Over coffee, Adelheid had promised you a "reward" if you identified the song she sang. If you remind her of that time, she's sure to step aside and let you pass!"You've done your homework, Rushorou," she says, "I'm touched! I must admit, I hadn't been sure whether or not to take you up on your offer before, but now I've decided. I have to give you the reward that I promised you after all: a quick, painless death!"With that, the girl launches herself forward, crossing over the crater and closing the distance between you with explosive force. It's only at the last moment that you manage to dodge to the side of her blow, and you can feel waves of heat as the pavement where you'd previously stood bubbles and cracks under the gout of flame Berserker's strike unleashed. Despite the heat, and involuntary shudder runs through you at the thought of one of those explosions actually connecting. The girl may be a rank amateur when it comes to technique, but her strength, speed, and sheer destructive potential are the most monstrous of all the superhumans you've seen since the beginning of the war."You have no intention of letting me fight your Master, then?" you ask."No," Adelheid shakes her head despondently. "He may be worthless, but I intend to uphold the duty of a Servant even so. I'm afraid this is it for you, Rushorou. Put up a good fight." She raises her fists, getting ready to attack again, and you're certain you have only one chance of survival.
>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)>[ ] Have Caster reinforce your physical capabilities as much as possible. If you can level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, you might just be able to get out of this duel in one piece. (Pride)>[ ] Ask Caster to teleport the two of you out of here; this has become too dangerous, and your life is too valuable to throw away trying to recruit Berserker. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (write in)
>>3394690>[ ] Have Caster reinforce your physical capabilities as much as possible. If you can level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, you might just be able to get out of this duel in one piece. (Pride)Berserker would be mighty buttmad if we were cowards
>>3394131As it turns out, 16 was just good enough to keep you from getting killed, but just bad enough to foul up your diplomacy.
>>3394690>[ ] Have Caster reinforce your physical capabilities as much as possible. If you can level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, you might just be able to get out of this duel in one piece. (Pride)STANDING HERE
>>3394690>[ ] Have Caster reinforce your physical capabilities as much as possible. If you can level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, you might just be able to get out of this duel in one piece. (Pride)Berserker pls.
>tfw accidentally leave out the most important detail of "I've got enough mana to be your Master too" and" remember there's 8 servants in this war."BORN TO RULE GRAIL WAR IS A FUCKKILL EM ALL 2019I AM BEST MASTER410,757,864,530 DEAD COWBOYS
QM, if this isn't a Dead End, there better be multiple DCs.
>>3394775Or at least multiple choices, mid-fight.
>>3394771Oh and also that he's corresponding with the war organiser too, for whatever reason. Hell, it's a miracle he's not used his command spells to make her an hero yet.The only reason he hasn't given up entirely and asked for Cid to remove his seals is he fears what Berserker will do to him.
>>3394690>[ ] Have Caster reinforce your physical capabilities as much as possible. If you can level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, you might just be able to get out of this duel in one piece. (Pride)>>3394775Have some faith in sweets anon, he’s done a damn fine job thusfar And holy shit I don’t want another QM to quit because of pointless bitching
>>3394779Can we reveal some of this stuff throughout the fight?Has Berserker even told her Master about the command spells?Because Cid probably will.Unless there's something keeping him from an heroing Berserker other than ignorance of his ability to do so.
>>3394812Well, that’s assuming we don’t die because we’re trying to duke it out with what ostensibly is the strongest servant in the war.
>>3394819I have zero faith in our abilities.But Hitler is fucking pleb tier at fighting techniques.And we just need to survive long enough to make her consider the fact that she's probably going to die if she continues down her current path.
>>3394690>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)These are berserkers physical stats.Strength: A+Endurance: BAgility: AI really feel like I shouldn't be the first one pointing out that we have absolutely no chance to beat her in a physical fight
>>3394826We're not trying to kill her or beat her.Just trying to survive the ordeal.And we might still be able to impress her with our resolve.She's pissed that her Master won't fight with her.So here's hoping we don't just fucking die.
>>3394690>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)Even if we level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, we can't level the playing field when it comes to explosions. We're just going to have to pass her by and hope for the best.
>>3394826>>3394961This will probably piss off Berserker; if she's holding back for whatever reason, it could prompt her to stop holding back.
I forget, did Medea have to remain stationary while reinforcing Souchirou? If not, we can send Caster to extract the Command Spells while we delay lolirally Hitler.
>>3395150Oh shit! that's a pretty good plan if she can do something like that.I mean, if we can why not?It's worth a shot.
>>3394976Anon, she just tried to punch our head off with an explosion. She doesn't want a duel - at this moment, she, as an enemy servant, wants and expects to kill us. We, as an enemy master, should treat this as any other battle and take out the other master because it's our best chance to win. We're not made of swords and we don't have any way to no-sell NPs. I don't know how you expect Rushorou to take on a servant and survive, let alone come out on top.Killing the master or taking his seals or whatever we do to free Berserker from her servant's duty to that guy is our only real chance at winning her over.>>3395150Kuzuki only survived his very brief bout against Saber because he was so good at fighting in addition to reinforcement, and we're not half the martial arts expert he is. Also, explosions.
>>3395190>Kuzuki only survived his very brief bout against Saber because he was so good at fighting in addition to reinforcement, and we're not half the martial arts expert he isDespite explosions, Seibah was a much better fighter than Hitler-chan. We can pull tricks that Arturia wouldn't fall for.You know what we should do? We should have Circe make brass knuckles like our training gloves to let us improve on the fly
>>3395201Berserker's rocking A+ strength, B-rank endurance, A-rank agility and B-rank Mind's Eye (False), which puts her raw combat ability roughly on par with Heracles save Adelheid's one rank lower of Endurance. We can't take her on alone without some bullshit trump card in the back pocket. She's a monster.
>>3395221>B-rank Mind's Eye (False)Oh, rightshitWe can't get out so easily, though. The best option now is to have Circe back us up with whatever Magecraft she can work up and try to maneuver our way closer to Hitler-chan's Master so we can murderize him. She'll get really upset if we cheat too blatantly, so we should save that as a last resort.
Fight Berserker head-on>>3394691>>3394727>>3394734>>3394808Delay Berserker and attack her Master>>3394826>>3394961Just tallying where we are currently. I'll leave the vote open for a while longer, since there's some good discussion going on.
>>3395221You're forgetting one thing. With our conceptual body, Circe's reinforcement will have a far greater effect. I mean, based on what I know about reinforcement it's not additive, it's pretty much based on the capacity of what's being reinforced. Souichirou was physically a normal (if strong) human, and Medea could buff him to the level of a servant, and based on that one dead end where he fucking explodes Rin's head in a single punch, stronger than us.We're already Superhuman, so it stands to reason we'd be buffed to a fairly ridiculous level.
>>3395224She's up against Caster. She should expect magic.>>3395252Two problems still remain.First, we'd need kaio-ken x5, enough durability to withstand not just her A+ strength but also her explosions, and enough battle smarts to counteract Mind's Eye (False) B all from one reinforcement. That's a bit of a stretch.Second, if we fight and somehow manage to win, Berserker dies and we fail in our goal of making her our servant.
>>3395319Phoneposting, so I should keep my hat on. Oops.
>>3395319Look, if we flee from Berserker instead of holding our ground then she's not likely to be happy to become our Servant, because it's kinda cheaty.Also even if we do die we get a look at our power with maximum reinforcement. Caster was reinforcing Souichirou when she was fighting Rin, right?
>>3395319>if we fight and somehow manage to win, Berserker dies and we fail in our goal of making her our servant.That's why we don't kill her.
>>3395319>She should expect magic.For all she knows Caster could be an Edison-tier Magus or a Solomon-tier Magus.
>>3395333Yes, but Kuzuki also wasn't fighting roid rage loli Hitler.>>3395341I think that's a very optimistic view of our ability to control that level of power in a life-or-death battle against someone so absurdly powerful. I agree that she would probably have difficulty standing up again before we could get to her master were we to beat her here and somehow not kill her, though.>>3395344Caster is Caster, regardless. If she underestimates our servant, that's her own fault.
Looks like you folks are standing firm in your determination to fight Berserker head on. Let's see if fortune is as fond of the bold as they say! Roll d20.
Rolled 17 (1d20)>>3395496Here we go.
Rolled 17 (1d20)>>3395496Inb41
>>3395498>>3395499Oh, so that's where that 17 went.Also dicemind.
Rolled 5 (1d20)>>3395496Here goes
Guess all we can do now is pray we passed.
>>3395508Here's hoping it's enough.We're going to fucking die aren't we?
>>3394107>>3395498>>33954993 17s in a row... curious...
>>3395554171717777 is an indication of luck.God I hope we pull through.
>>3395566It's both a prime number and the DC we barely missed. I choose to believe it is a sign from RNGsus that luck once again sides with Yumigawa Rushorou.
>>3395576Alternatively, Berserker throws an Ambulance at us.
At this point you're certain. Negotiations have fallen through, and if you attempt to slip by Berserker, she'll interpret your actions as cowardice and kill you from behind. The only way to make it out of this fight alive is to go up against Berserker head on and win.Berserker throws a lazy punch, testing your guard. With the aid of Caster's barrier redirecting the flames, you manage to just barely escape again, but you need something to change the dynamic or you won't last.'Caster,' you call to her in your mind, 'towards the beginning of this War you told me that you could empower me enough to let me go toe-to-toe with heroes, if only temporarily. I need that power now.''Don't tell me you're actually going to fight her!' Caster sends back, aghast at the prospect. 'There's no other choice,' you tell her, 'I have to defeat Berserker here.''As you wish, Master.' The voice in your mind is the height of reluctance, but Caster relents. Suddenly you feel new power flowing into you. Your body feels lighter than ever before, and you're certain. This will, without a doubt, be enough to put you on a level with Adelheid.You can't suppress a grin, as you say, "You win, Miss Adelheid. I'll fight you. I'm truly disappointed to have to defeat you here, but I suppose this is, afterall, a War."You throw out a jab, following it almost instantaneously with a kick to her legs. While she's still reacting to the punch, you'll knock her off balance and take the advantage! As your attacks fly out, you glory in the newfound speed and power you feel. No longer are you forced to contend with superhuman existences beyond your reckoning! Finally, you're standing on a level-Your thoughts are interrupted as Adelheid catches your fist in hers, in a vicelike grip that belies her dainty hand. Holding tight to your fist, she pirouettes lightly, spinning with inhuman speed and whipping you along with her like a rag doll. As you lose your footing, a conflagration blooms in her hand, and you're sent flying by the centrifugal force. As you finally come to a landing, you get shakily to your feet. Your left arm is gone below the elbow, but the fight isn't over; empowered by Caster, you haven't picked up so much as a scratch from an impact against pavement that should have earned you a collection of broken bones. Adelheid, meanwhile, is busy dealing with an aerial bombardment from Caster. As beams of light rain down on the girl, you dash in again, the pain of your missing limb driving you to new heights of rage. Coming from behind, go straight for the back of the girl's head with a heavy kick. She's currently blocking a beam from Caster, rapidly throwing punches to disrupt the stream of mana with the shockwaves, and leaving you a free opening to strike. If it connects, it'll either knock her unconscious or kill her, and right now you don't much care which.
Before it can, though, the entire area is suffused in fire. With Berserker's body at the epicenter, an explosion surpassing all others you've seen goes off, consuming the entire courtyard and wiping out the front entrance of the hotel. The blast sends you flying, and this time you feel your bones really have shattered. Your leg, of course, is quite gone. Smiling, Berserker is the only unscathed thing at the center of a massive crater."Ah..." You try to speak, but can't force enough air through your throat. Dimly, you realize that the stabbing pain in your chest must be a fragment of bone piercing your lungs. Even drawing breath is impossible, and you can only stare."That," she announces, "was an SC 2500. Quite a bit heavier ordinance than the little grenade and mortar blasts I've been using so far, but, well," she lets out a derisive chuckle, "desperate times, yes?"Your vision begins to fade as your lungs fill with blood, but the knowledge doesn't seem to make an impact. With idiotic repetition, all other actions cut off by your wreckage of a body, you keep desperately trying to draw breath through the choking fluid. Through the encroaching hazy darkness, you watch Adelheid walk up to you and bend down, bringing her face close enough to yours that you can still make out the detail. "Well done, soldier," she says softly, her voice far too full of compassion and affection for the speaker to be the one who did this to you. "I'll make it easy for you." Then there's one last flash of light, and final darkness.DEAD ENDTiger Dojo is a strange hint corner.If you would like to beat the game by yourself,or if you would like to keep the characters' images, please be warned.
>>3395822Not unexpected. Oh well. I presume a 20 was necessary to survive there?
>>3395828Bingo! What's the phrase, "dangling a spider's thread over hell?" It was that kind of situation.
Rolled 14, 11, 11 = 36 (3d20)>>3395828Just testing the waters of probability...
>>3395847I guess we should go for the delay plan.Fuck meleeing AoE explosionspammer.This is why we need ranged attacks.
>>3395822I feel like Tim the Enchanter.
>>3395860To be fair we were doing well all the way up to the point we lost an arm. Then a leg.Then we died.
>>3395863>we were doing wellWe didn't land a single hit on her. She grabbed our punch right out of the air and casually tossed us with enough force to shatter our bones.
>>3395860"There!""What, behind the little girl?""It is the little girl!""Oh, come on!"
HOLD UP>Hotel>Explosions>Undefended MasterI have an idea.
>>3395891What, you mean like the long-range bombardment choice I gave you at >>3389969?
>>3395897Long range bombardment isn't a guaranteed takedown, and they might realise what's going on and just leave.Hmm.
>>3395887"That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered child you ever set eyes on!">>3395891That's just about guaranteed to make Berserker hate us, but if the alternative is the SC2500 either way, we may need to consider bailing out.
>>3395909We could always attempt to trick Berserker into destroying the load bearing parts of the building herself by having Caster reinforce our agility and then start japing Berserker with illusions.
Also now that Berserker actually killed us, I won't feel that bad when we kill her/betray her in order to bring about a new age.You've fallen for my trap! Moral high ground!do we really need to argue for the moral high ground against literaloli Hitler though?
>>3395995There is literally nothing moral about either of you, so you can stop that right now.
>>3395995Berserker already killed us once on Rider's ship, you know.We also agreed to a duel to the death.We aren't any higher than we were before, morally speaking.
>>3396000Our actions are supported by the Gods (well, like 1 ex-goddess right now) themselves!It's the ultimate moral justification. My heart and actions are utterly unclouded.........!They are all those of 'Justice'.
>>3396014Technically, Berserker just mortally wounded us on the boat.Rider killed us there.
Also I still want to wish the Age of Gods back. I feel like Hitler might oppose that idea.
You're in the familiar hall of the Tiger Dojo, awakening to a cheerful greeting from the instructor and her pupil."Good evening," the instructor says with a smile, "this is the hint corner that supports all of you who want to die instantly, the Tiger Dojo!""Hi, Onii-chan! Welcome back," Illya exclaims."Ru-chan sure died horribly this time, huh," the instructor says, "by the end of it, there wasn't even a body left. What an ugly battle."Illya pouts as she hears the instructor's pronouncement. "That's not it at all!" she exclaims. "You just have no taste, you lazy tiger. It was a cute and pop genocide of love, where Onii-chan showed off his gallant fighting only to die without resistance!""It sure sounds horrible enough to me," the instructor replies, giving you a sidelong look, "but let's move on. Why did you die, Ru-chan?""Hmm..." The instructor ponders, stroking her chin. "There's a long, detailed, helpful answer to that question, but there's also a short and simple one. Which should I give you? I just can't decide..."Illya raises a hand. "Oh?" The instructor turns to her. "Do you have a suggestion?""The long one," says the senior student. "Give him all the details! After all, nobody wants to keep coming back here and hearing the unhelpful advice truncated by a tiger too dumb to understand magic!"CRACK!"O~su! The short version it is," the instructor replies, "since the long explanation would be too much trouble!""Ru-chan," she says, laying a hand on your shoulder, "a maiden's heart is complicated. She may say she wants to fight you, but is that really how Adelheid-chan feels?""Uuu~" Illya moans tearfully, nursing her injured head, "anyway, Berserker is the strongest Servant in the war. You might be able to beat down Archer if it came to it, but you're just not strong enough to handle her yet.""And that's the way it is," announces the instructor. "Now take this Tiger Stamp, and whatever you do, don't come to blows with that girl!">[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)>[ ] Have Caster reinforce your physical capabilities as much as possible. If you can level the playing field in terms of strength and speed, you might just be able to get out of this duel in one piece. (Pride)>[ ] Ask Caster to teleport the two of you out of here; this has become too dangerous, and your life is too valuable to throw away trying to recruit Berserker. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (write in)
>>3396093>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)MESSAGE RECEIVED FUJIMURA SENSEI.LET'S FUCKING GO.
>>3396093>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)
>>3396093>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)Now is the time.Harem city, here we come. Oh boy.
Incidentally, for those who don't remember, "a cute and pop genocide of love" is how Illya described her own first killing of Shirou back in Tiger Dojo 1 of FSN. I've always loved that phrasing, so I decided to throw it in here.
>>3396171>harem consists of Literally Hitler, a Yandere Goddess, a girl we brainwashed (haha, she wishes) and maybe Truvie.Jesus Christ, this ice Rushorou is skating is fucking monomolecular.
>>3396093>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)Man, I don’t know about this boys....
>>3396185It's actually even more fitting here too.>1) they might have just killed our entire race (conceptual being), unless her Master (he was bald and we didn't see his eye colour, but I doubt he is because Berserker is the fucking strong) or the Master of Assassin empowered themselves with the coins too or something (I don't want to rule somebody out when we haven't even seen them yet, as unlikely as their survival might be.)>2) it is HitlerEven my throwaway joke posts have me on the lookout for potential twists, god damn it.
>>3396229Taiga said Berserker doesn't really want to fight us, hopefully she takes the binding spell as an opportunity to accidentally let her Master die.It's possible she's been commanded to "kill intruders" or something, which would explain why Cid made himself sparse when she entered the room.
>>3396093>but you're just not strong enough to handle her yet.>yetWhat did she literally mean by this?
>>3396419Emperor Rushorou shall crush all who stand against him.He just needs a little more practice and training.Maybe a couple mystic codesKnowledge of how to use his fucking broken magecraft element combo would be useful too.And if we restart the Age of Gods I'm hoping for fuck tons of divine blessings and noble phantasms as a "you're pretty cool" thank you gift from assorted Gods.Of course there's no telling how any Gods would react to us bringing them back.Nor is there a way of telling if Rushorou will even get the motivation to wish for such a thing.Or if the wish is even possible.But I can dream.
>>3396093>[ ] Order Caster telepathically to use the most powerful binding magic she can on Berserker, hopefully keeping her in place long enough for you to get into the hotel and kill her Master. (Duty)Let's try this again.
>>3396507If we're going to be Emperor, doesn't that mean we need people to fill up positions in our hierarchy? Will we have a concubine?
>>3396419It appears that the kaio-ken is within our grasp.>>3396544You're playing a dangerous game there, pal.In all honesty, Circe would probably be okay with it as long as she maintains her position as numero uno. She's mentioned several times already that she no longer expects complete faithfulness from men.
>>3396544That would require Circe to actually toner her yan down, which is doubtful... unless she's content with being our main girl, which is also doubtful.
>>3396554>>3396560>>3396544>Not fully dedicated to Circe-chan D I S G U S T
>>3396544...Maybe?I don't know if that's wise. Circe might have something to say about that.I'm more concerned with how we'd fill the other positions of our court.
>>3396554Gotta remember to keep this damn mask on from here on out. Assassin isn't even around to borrow it anymore.
>>3396574>implying I'm in favor of a haremI'm trying to put this hopes down, anon.
>*this guy'sOne momentary distraction...
>>3396574>>3396588Look, if we're gonna do this emperor thing properly we need to have like 400 different kids woth different mothers so one day we can just vanish and cause a fuckhuge succession crisis that lasts for hundreds of years.
>>3396574All I'm saying is that it's possible.
At this point, you're certain there's only one way to survive. Negotiations have fallen through, and if you take Adelheid on in a straight fight she'll easily kill you. The answer is obvious: you'll have to get by her and into that hotel. Hopefully Caster has a way to immobilize the girl; otherwise, you don't have a prayer.You reach out mentally to your Servant. 'I need to get by Berserker,' you begin. 'Do you have any magic that can temporarily keep her from moving?''I should be able to manage that,' Caster answers confidently. 'I have a little trick for keeping troublesome enemies like her in place.''Good,' you send back, tensing your legs to spring for the door, 'Now!'"Ατλας! Κλοιός!" At Caster's two commands, the air around Adelheid is suffused with golden light, and she's frozen in place. Not a hair moves in the breeze, as if a great cube of amber were suddenly summoned up before you to preserve the girl in perpetuity. For a few seconds, you can only stare mesmerized at the surreal display. "I can keep her in stasis like this for a while," Caster tells you, "but she may be able to break out. I suggest you get going." Snapped out of the moment, you stop admiring Caster's handiwork and turn to the hotel doors. "Good work, Caster. Leave the rest to me," you say, and head inside.Suppressing your excitement by force of will, you stroll calmly across the lobby to approach the bar. The click of your heels on the marble echoes through the empty building. You already know the location thanks to Caster's scrying; up one flight of stairs, on the second floor, there's a collection of high-class restaurants and other luxurious entertainments; in the midst of this is Yatsuyado's bar, the Château Connoisseur, where Berserker's master has set up his residence. As the sign comes into view, you suppress a chuckle at the absurd French name. Cid's even managed to capture the inability of your countrymen to make an establishment sound convincingly foreign. How much time, you wonder, did he put into the construction of this artificial city?Then you walk into the bar, and there's Berserker's Master. He doesn't seem to have moved since his conversation with the priest. Without turning to look at you, he says, "Guess you're one of the jokers in this war, huh? Looking to take Berserker off my hands; and my hands in the bargain, probably." As he makes this point, he holds up his right hand to display three red tongues of flame. "Pull up a stool, huh? Have a drink. No real reason to hurry if we're gonna fight it out either way.">[ ] Sit down beside Cueball and hear out his drunken rambling. (Pride/Compassion)>[ ] Ignore this nonsense. Crush his skull into the bartop and have done with it. (Duty)>[ ] Take a seat, but at a distance from the enemy Master. He could be plotting something. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3397541>Sit down beside Cueball and hear out his drunken rambling. (Pride/Compassion)Let's at least find out who he is before we kill him. He can die with a clear heart.
>>3397541>>[ ] Sit down beside Cueball and hear out his drunken rambling. (Pride/Compassion)
>>3397541>[ ] Ignore this nonsense. Crush his skull into the bartop and have done with it. (Duty)We are on a time limit. Let's just get this over and done with.
>>3397541>[ ] Ignore this nonsense. Crush his skull into the bartop and have done with it. (Duty)Hahaha.No.We've got Caster restraining the strongest servant outside. If Bahsahkah breaks free, Caster dies.
>>3397692Wouldn't Berserker be able to break free if her Master used a command spell?
>>3397717Yeah but we dont know if he won't just call Berserker during the conversation. It's either we take a chance on killing him immediately and he uses a command spell Or he uses one during our faux diplomacy.Or Berserker breaks free and kills Caster.We could act like we're gonna take a seat further away from him and then launch it at him or something.
>>3397720I think we can rip out his throat faster than he can call Berserker.Also,>not wanting to drink with a new bro>not wanting to raise Compassion>not wanting to learn the story behind the guy>not wanting to potentially learn more about CIDreeeeeeeeeee
>>3397541>[ ] Ignore this nonsense. Crush his skull into the bartop and have done with it. (Duty)No stalling for you monsieur
>>3397541Fine.Against my better judgement.Switch to...>[ ] Sit down beside Cueball and hear out his drunken rambling. (Pride/Compassion)I swear to fuck if this kills us here.
>>3397732I also hope not.By the way, once we get Berserker how are we going to get rid of her? Making aside, she's not going to give us the world. She'll want it for herself and we'll be in the way once the War is finished.I think our best chance to get rid of her is the fight with Archer and Rider -- let her die in a way that ends up taking Cunt Eastwood with her and kill Blackbeard or his Master shortly afterward.
>>3397736Generally, that's what the command spells are for.Or we just have Caster cancel the contract.We don't know enough about her yet anyway.We really should ask Caster about what the world was like in her time.Then ask her what would happen if somebody were to start the Age of Gods once again.
>>3397736>She'll want it for herselfBut that's wrong... If she's literally Hitler then she'd only want to remove kebab and control mainland Europe.
>>3397743Also gas the kikes, but you already knew that.
>>3397743>>3397746In the best case scenario, Hitler-chan can go off to attempt to unify Europe when the Age of Gods kicks off.I'm sure there will be no issues with that from the survivors.
>>3397541>[ ] Sit down beside Cueball and hear out his drunken rambling. (Pride/Compassion)
We're going to die.Will the same trick work twice?Probably not.Kinda want to know his story though.God damn it.
>>3397788Maybe he'll just offer up his hand if we hear him out?
>>3397541>[ ] Ignore this nonsense. Crush his skull into the bartop and have done with it. (Duty)
>>3397541>[ ] Sit down beside Cueball and hear out his drunken rambling. (Pride/Compassion)May as well hear what he has to say, I guess.But ask Caster to keep us updated on Berserker. If it looks like she'll bust free, we may need to cut this short.
>>3397811Oh right, we can do that. Yeah this might be the best option.
>>3397797If we make it quick, sure.Or we can do him like https://youtube.com/watch?v=YrHavBpiVlQ
>>3397838We neither know the procedure for taking the spells nor do we have any sort of bladed weapon.
>>3397927We have our bare hands. That's enough for a human.
>>3397953That's brutal.And also an unclean method.Is this really how we start our hand collection?
>>3397541>Remove the hand containing the command spells and stop the fighting. Work to stabilize him if he's still alive afterward. (Compassion/Duty)
>>3397927Fairly certain we have enough strength to tear it off with our strength.
>>3398147>compassion>remove the hand ??????????????????Anon...
>>3398167Don't worry, we'll just knock him out and put it back on after gaining Hitler's Command Spells.
>>3398227That's not how it works!
>>3398277Rushorou really needs some healing magic so he can DIO away injuries. Is healing magick a thing for magi in FATE?
>>3398298Yeah but you need to either expend a pretty large amount of mana for it (Rin unfucking Shirou's Heart is a special case, but it shows what you can do with lots of mana)We'd also have to learn how to do it, considering our absolute lack of magecraft knowledge right now.Or you can be Caster, but Caster is bullshit.There are a few other methods but none of which we could really duplicate. We could probably ask Caster for a healing Mystic Code though.
>>3398352I should add that Caster is typically so bullshit that that's why 4 of 7 servants have magic resistance as a Class Skill. You aren't supposed to win the war with Caster, because they are generally the most likely to fuck everything up.I mean, fucking Medea summons her own Servant by cheating the system.
>>3398298It's not impossible, but >>3398352 is on the right track. Healing magic is very expensive in terms of energy; Caster's demonstrated that she can heal your wounds without great expenditure or lasting damage, but that required the application of potions and treatments over a 12-hour period. For you, an amateur, to heal faster, would require something seriously powerful.
>>3399462Seriously powerful things to get bullshit healing include...>becoming a Dead Apostle, terrible idea, probably not even possible for us anyway, given our nature. >filling a gem with generations worth of mana to be wasted on some high jump kid>using true magic like a fucking cheater>having Avalon inside you (requires Arturia to function though)>Ciel style bullshit paradox immortality>healing based Noble Phantasms being usedNone of these are possible in our current situation, if at all.No "THIS IS THE GREATEST HIGH"s allowed just yet.Unless we get Caster to brew that limited immortality serum she can apparently make, no idea what effect that would have though, unlikely to give us DIO tier regen.
>>3399539The limited immortality serum is what cured your leg. It's "limited immortality" in that it can cure any injury or ailment, provided it has time to work.
>>3399566I see, high speed regen is off the table for now then.
You suppose the man may have a point. It's true that your time is limited, but he seems to be an ordinary human, so you can kill him at any time. There's no harm in hearing him out. "Alright, then," you say, taking a seat beside the reluctant Master.As you sit down, you take a closer look at Berserker's Master. He's perhaps 30 years old, riding the line between youth and middle-age. Green eyes set below brooding, angry brows stare out from a rough, weathered face. The man's most prominent feature, though, is the long scar that traces its way down the right side of his head, from crown to chin. It's a warped, twisting thing, and although you're not familiar enough with scars to guess the origin, the shape calls gruesome imagery to mind.Your attention is torn away from the other man by a deep voice from behind the bar. "And what will you be having," Cid says, "do you share this man's fondness for whiskey?"You whip around to face the priest in shock. There he is behind the bar, polishing a glass with an insufferable smirk. Not only did you catch no sign of his appearance, you can't sense his presence even now. On your first meeting you hadn't yet developed the skill, but now that you've gotten used to feeling the energy of those around you his lack is chilling."I'm too young to drink," you say, feigning the confidence you've suddenly lost, "offering alcohol to a student doesn't seem like a very priestly act, Cid.""Hoho!" The priest lets out an involuntary laugh before continuing. "Come now, young man, you and I both know you're beyond those sorts of petty health concerns at this point." Then he turns to take a bottle from the shelves behind him. "Still, if you insist I do have some mineral water here. While I pour the drinks, why don't you two get acquainted?"The Master of Berserker spins on his stool to face you, and to your surprise his eyes are clear, and his motion precise. He looks quite sober as he puts out a callused hand and declares, "I'm Joe Ambrose. Master of Berserker, but you know that." As you take the proffered hand, allowing your own to be swallowed up in Ambrose's massive paw, he continues, "Now, you'd be the one with Caster, if I'm remembering you right from when we met Rider. What's your name, man?""Your memory and suspicions are correct," you confirm. "I am Yumigawa Rushorou, the Master of Caster, and I've come here to kill you. What is there for us to discuss?""Ha!" Ambrose guffaws at your proclamation. "You got balls, that's for sure. If you're sayin' a thing like that to me, I guess you must be one of these wizards; throwing magic around, like the good minister here, yeah?" You open your mouth to answer, but Ambrose picks his statement back up before you can. "Well, there were more'n a few of you I dealt with back in the first city. Don't go thinkin' it'll be too easy for you to put me in the ground, get it?"
"I understand," you reply flatly, "but you still haven't told me why I should be sitting here discussing matters instead of finding out whether you're as good as your word."There's a click of glass on wood, as Cid sets down two drinks. Water for you, whiskey on the rocks for Joe. The big man seizes up his glass and pours it down his throat at a gulp before answering your question."'Cause I'm giving you a warning," he shouts, slamming the glass back down on the bar. "Like I said before, I'd guess you're hopin' to pick up some direct firepower by killin' me and takin' Berserker for yourself. Well, I'll warn you against it. You want to kill me, we'll see. But if you do manage the job, you let that little bitch fade out."This is interesting, you think. This man, Ambrose, is making no effort to plead for his life, only to keep you from Berserker. "Just why," you ask, cocking an eyebrow, "would I do that? Berserker is no small prize in this War; she could represent the key to destroying Archer and Rider and taking victory. What could possibly persuade me not to make use of her?""The answer's simple," Ambrose tells you. "Each of these Servants is supposed to be the spirit of some great hero, brought back to fight." He turns to Cid, asking, "isn't that right, preacher?""Correct," Cid answers.Ambrose nods, continuing his lecture. "Well then, you ever heard of any heroes in uniform who were little girls? Are you bringin' to mind a great big list of all the decorated soldiers that looked like Berserker, huh?""Well, no," you allow. "Determining her true name has been something of a challenge.""That," Ambrose declares, jabbing an exclamatory finger in your face, "is the point. Berserker isn't a hero; she's no great leader or soldier. Oh, sure, there's the spirit of a hero deep down in there. What she called her original self. But it's not what she is. That thing is a monster. An idea, of slaughter and destruction, chaos and betrayal, of all the worst parts of real war, and I'm not talkin' about this rinky-dink contest; all poured into the shape of a child. She's the ace of spades in this thing, the eight ball, and you don't want to get tied up with her."It's quite a claim, but you have no real reason to believe the man. Cid remains silent, watching your discussion with a smirk on his face. At length, you reply...
>[ ] ...by turning to Cid and interrogating him regarding Ambrose's claims. (Curiosity) (Write in your questions)>[ ] ...with a sucker punch. Whatever the truth of the situation may be, you've wasted enough time with Ambrose. You'll decide how to deal with Berserker after eliminating her source of energy. (Duty)>[ ] ...to Ambrose. "I've heard enough out of you," you say, getting to your feet, "and your claims are worthless. However she may deviate from your ideals of a hero, that's your concern. I decided to make her my Servant after meeting her personally, as well as seeing her fighting prowess in action. I don't retract my decisions lightly." (Pride)>[ ] ...to Ambrose. "Joe," you say, "if what you're saying is true, Berserker really is quite dangerous. So I'll give you a way out. Use your command spells to order her to commit suicide, and I'll leave you alive. I'll have one less enemy, and you can wait out the remainder of the War peacefully in this hotel." (Compassion)>[ ] ...in some other way. (Write in)
>>3399611>[ ] ...to Ambrose. "Joe," you say, "if what you're saying is true, Berserker really is quite dangerous. This then begs a question: why haven’t you used your command spells to order her to commit suicide? Surely this must have occurred to you already. (Curiosity)
>>3399611>[ ] ...to Ambrose. "Joe," you say, "if what you're saying is true, Berserker really is quite dangerous. So I'll give you a way out. Use your command spells to order her to commit suicide, and I'll leave you alive. I'll have one less enemy, and you can wait out the remainder of the War peacefully in this hotel." (Compassion)Hitlerfags btfo, I bet she's actually the embodiment of WW2 as a calamity
>>3399611>[ ] ...with a sucker punch. Whatever the truth of the situation may be, you've wasted enough time with Ambrose. You'll decide how to deal with Berserker after eliminating her source of energy. (Duty)Oh boo hoo.You summoned a bad person.We summoned an awful goddess who's most well known for transforming people who displease her and randomly transforming her visitors for fun.She literally tried to do the same thing to us.As much as I'd like to hit him with a Pride speech though, I've had enough of his babbling and we're on a tight schedule.
>>3399602>Cid remains silent, watching your discussion with a smirk on his face.Something's off, here...>>3399624Yeah, Cid's not gonna give us a straight answer. We should probably figure out some more questions to ask, though, preferably ones that compound with each other.
>>3399644I think that might be the perfect Kira panel for this moment. Very nice, anon.
I’m voting to ask questions because it’d be convenient to get information on Berserker now rather than later.
>>3399669Ah yes, the convenient time of having your Caster outside restraining the strongest servant of the war with a guy who might not even fucking know what his Command Spells represent.Like, why is "Berserker might be really evil" even a question here.We've got fucking Blackbeard running around being some sort of demon pirate and murdering uninvolved people.We've literally murdered people without a second thought ourselves.And if she's really ultra super mega evil then we can just Command her to die.Fuck this guy.He's dumb and we sort of need Berserker on side to beat Rider and Archer and whatever bullshit Cid's going to pull out of his ass.
>>3399694>we can just command her to dieWhich is why I’m asking Mr. PTSD here why he hasn’t done it. Is he just a bitch who fears being murdered if he doesn’t have a 4’11” loli on hand? Or is something more nefarious at hand?
>>3399707Alternatively he just doesn't know he can.Remember, Caster only told us what they do when she trusted us.It's possible that Berserker never told him.and Cid is some sort of massive fucking troll so I highly doubt he'd have told him either.
>>3399714Also, if he doesn’t know that he could do it, I will amend my vote >>3399624 with >sucker punch his dumb ass in his moment of confusion
>>3399611>[ ] ...to Ambrose. "Joe," you say, "if what you're saying is true, Berserker really is quite dangerous. So I'll give you a way out. Use your command spells to order her to commit suicide, and I'll leave you alive. I'll have one less enemy, and you can wait out the remainder of the War peacefully in this hotel." (Compassion)
Also this guy has blood on his hands by his own admission.Fuck him.Also do you all reallllly want to leave a spare Master around for Archer to come along to use against us?Really?
>>3399602...Okay, why is Cid rocking this Presence Concealment EX shit? I get more suspicious of this motherfucker every time we see his face.>>3399644Supporting. As much as I'd love to interrogate him or Cid further, Berserker is still waiting to bust free of Caster, and we need to take her now if we can.
>>3399771He's got instant teleportation too.He's rocking some crazy power.The compassion option is just seventeen hundred strokes of retarded and can go wrong in so many ways.Even if it goes perfectly and he doesn't say "WOW I CAN DO THAT? BERSERKER OBEY ME!" or some shit we're kind of leaving a spare master around. For Archer.also it's been 5 days so the thread is autosaging
>>3399611>>[ ] ...with a sucker punch. Whatever the truth of the situation may be, you've wasted enough time with Ambrose. You'll decide how to deal with Berserker after eliminating her source of energy. (Duty)We'll have time to pump up Compassion after we deal with Archer.>>3399643That's even worse.>>3399707legal teen reeeeeeeeeeee
>>3399611>[ ] ...with a sucker punch. Whatever the truth of the situation may be, you've wasted enough time with Ambrose. You'll decide how to deal with Berserker after eliminating her source of energy. (Duty)
>>3399707>4’11” loliI suggest you consult the status menu.
>>3399854>literally have the tab open>still misquote
>>3399817Or maybe he's just the world's most bullshit Assassin-class servant and his Presence Concealment is so strong he can essentially nope out of existence with it. You just can't tell with this guy.
>>3399926So he's Hassan GG?Shit.
>>3399959If anything it's probably more like the setup Araya had....Which is actually even worse.
>>3399965I'll give you a freebie and tell you he doesn't have Araya's bullshit stasis field.
It's a fascinating and strange claim that Ambrose makes, for Berserker not to be the spirit of an individual, but of some generalized concept. Still, when you consider the facts, you decide there's no point in continuing the conversation. You've wasted enough time talking already, and Berserker could break free of Caster's bonds at any time. Without betraying your aggression, you suddenly lash out in a punch to the side of Ambrose's head. He sees it coming, and attempts to sway back out of the way, but the man is too slow. Whatever his skills may be, he's physically an ordinary human.Your fist crashes into his temple, and Joe Ambrose slides from his stool to the floor, unconscious. Getting up, you're moving to finish the job when an idea strikes you. "Cid," you say, turning to the priest. He hasn't moved, still enjoying the show from behind the bar."What is it," he asks, before moving on, "and shouldn't you finish complete the destruction of your foe before turning to me? Even a prostrate enemy can become dangerous.""I have a question for you for which he may need to be alive," you say irritably. "Can you transfer the command spells from Ambrose to me?""Indeed I can," Cid answers, "though not in this manner. Once you've killed him and convinced Berserker to contract with you, one command spell for her will appear on your hand.""One?" You echo the priest's word in shock. "When you gave Keiseki's spells to Rider's new Master, you transferred over all three! Don't try to tell me you can't do it now.""I did, yes," Cid says. "However, Mr. DeLancey was contracting only one Servant, and had not previously been a Master. For you, I'm not inclined to be so generous.""I see," you reply. "I suppose there's nothing for it, then." Returning to the unconscious form of Ambrose, you reach down and snap his neck. In a few moments his heart has stopped, and you're certain he's dead. Then you turn back to Cid and pose another question. "Are you at least willing to explain his claims regarding Berserker? Or failing that, why you're suddenly playing the role of bartender?" Cid's words are disheartening. "As to the first question, you'll have to find out from Berserker. I did not pick the Servants that would appear, you know. I know no more about them than you. As for the second question, I am a spectator in this war as well as its organizer. If I didn't show up and watch the fighting now and again, I would find the whole affair terribly boring.""Fine then," you say, turning on your heel. "I'll be seeing you, Cid."
You exit the hotel to find Berserker sitting limply on the steps, no longer sealed in by Caster's magic. You can sense the energy that animates her rapidly fading away in the absence of a master. Evidently her consumption rate is much higher than that of Rider or Saber, let alone Archer. You walk up to the weakening girl and say...>[ ] "Ambrose is dead. Now, Adelheid, you're no longer chained to that coward; you can become the Servant of a worthy Master. Fight by my side, and we'll seize the Grail!" (Compassion)>[ ] "With Ambrose dead you're fading fast, Berserker. Become my Servant. I'm afraid you have no other options." (Pride)>[ ] ...nothing. Just watch the girl fade away. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] ...something else (write in)
>>3400388>[ ] "Ambrose is dead. Now, Adelheid, you're no longer chained to that coward; you can become the Servant of a worthy Master. Fight by my side, and we'll seize the Grail!"Only because it's true, she totally has another choice, even if it is to die.
>>3400388>[ ] "Ambrose is dead. Now, Adelheid, you're no longer chained to that coward; you can become the Servant of a worthy Master. Fight by my side, and we'll seize the Grail!" (Compassion)Come, Basaka. You know you want to.
>>3400388>[ ] "Ambrose is dead. Now, Adelheid, you're no longer chained to that coward; you can become the Servant of a worthy Master. Fight by my side, and we'll seize the Grail!" (Compassion)
And now, I wait for the rant.
>>3400420At least I have the shitty 420 get even if that's not as good as the >>3400000 GET.
>>3400388>[ ] ...nothing. Just watch the girl fade away. (Self-Preservation)
>She agrees>Then immediately goes berserk and forced us to use our one command seal.>CS for her to kill herself doesn't work>Master/Servant bond broken>We have a Bloodthirsty Berserker Loli on our loose.This is definitely gonna happen, calling it now.
>>3400422If nobody else does it I'll do it.4u
>>3400440She ran out of gas in the time it took us to walk down the stairs. She can't afford to not have a master.
>>3400422I hope no one rants. It's really not an issue that needs one.
I think we could've opted to crush his larynx, or do anything against his vocal cords, in hindsight; would've preserved him long enough.
>>3400498Well, I figured that Caster would've been able to do a full transfer because, Caster.
>>3400511Sure, you folks know that because of Fate/Stay Night. For Rushorou, though, the only person he's seen transfer command spells is the person running the war. Stands to reason, he assumes that's the only person with that ability.
>>3400524Yeah, that makes sense.
Since we've been autosaged, I think I'm going to move this over to a new thread
Update in the new thread: >>3400766