You are Yumigawa Rushorou, and you've rejected your humanity to pursue success in the Holy Grail War.You've changed a great deal since waking up in an abandoned parking garage in the middle of a burning city. A week ago, you were a 5'9" tall student, 100% human, and had a fairly different face. You'd also never been in a fight. Since then, you've been dragged into a free-for-all death game known as the Holy Grail War, learned of the existence of magic, contracted a semi-divine witch to fight by your side, and been reforged into a "conceptual being," an inhuman imitation of ancient heroes. That was all on the first day.The Holy Grail War is a battle between seven magi, contracted to the spirits of seven heroes of the past, classified as Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, and Berserker. Each duo is known as a Master and Servant, and when only one pair remains the two are promised one wish from the omnipotent Holy Grail each. So far, Saber, Lancer, and Rider have been eliminated along with the Masters of Saber, and Rider. It's the afternoon of the seventh day of the war, and you're currently debating whether to take Archer's unconscious Master prisoner or kill her.Previous thread: >>3361948Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
Where we left off..."Fine," you concede, "you've forced me into it, but at the end of the day my life is more important than my pride. Keiseki-san," you say, standing up from the table, "we'll shake on it. Then I'll hand Caster over to you."Smug satisfaction spreads across Keiseki's face as he gets up. "I'm so glad to hear you've seen the light, Yumigawa-san," he declares, walking around the table to take your hand, "I really didn't want to do any unnecessary-"You've had enough of listening to this bastard for a lifetime. Now it's time to let the rage you've been choking back take over. Turning the handshake into a throw, you trip him up and slam his face down onto your knee, cutting off his words.. You feel the satisfying crunch of his teeth and nose breaking, and as he slides to the ground, unconscious, you observe that he's left a bright bloodstain on your cream slacks. You turn to Kikuko, hopping lightly up to stand on the table, and bring the toe of your right loafer level with her eyes. "Call Archer," you say in a soft, threatening purr, "and I'll stove your face in before you get the first word out." You're really grinning down at her now, not faking the friendly student's amiable smile as you've done so many times before; it feels so good to finally be in control again after dancing to the tune these two have set since last night. The girl silently nods in terror, and you slam your heel into her forehead for a quick knockout.Then you return to Keiseki. He's still breathing, and you'll have to make this quick in order to deprive Blackbeard of energy before he becomes suspicious. Still, you do want to inflict some punishment on the man who seems to have orchestrated this disaster. After a moment of pondering, you decide to use him to test the limits of your current strength. Holding the unconscious man up with one hand around his face, you flatten the other into a makeshift blade. Looking at him for a moment, you think on your acquaintance with the man. It's been short, but he's given you so many reasons to hate him; depriving you of Lancer, sabotaging your alliance with Truvietianne, putting Caster in danger, forcing you to sit there and listen to his disingenuous pleasantries. You savor the moment of your victory, and then slice your hand across his throat with your full strength.It's not totally satisfactory. You'd hoped that you were powerful enough now to decapitate Keiseki with your bare hands, but the best you manage is tearing open his throat. 'Ah, well,' you think, 'at least he's dead.' You toss the corpse to the side and return your gaze to Kikuko. Now, what should you do with the unconscious girl?>[ ] Kill her and flee with Caster. (Duty/Self-Preservation)>[ ] Throw her over your shoulder and mentally ask Caster if she can facilitate you getting her back to the university as a prisoner. (Pride/Sadism)>[ ] Something else (Write in)
>>3374579>[ ] Throw her over your shoulder and mentally ask Caster if she can facilitate you getting her back to the university as a prisoner. (Pride/Sadism)
>>3374579>>[X] Throw her over your shoulder and mentally ask Caster if she can facilitate you getting her back to the university as a prisoner. (Pride/Sadism)Yoink!Remember, we can fuck with her contract and possibly make her An Hero Archer with Caster's help.
>>3374579>[ ] Kill her and flee with Caster. (Duty/Self-Preservation)Not gonna fuck with it, nope.
>>3374579>[ ] Kill her and flee with Caster. (Duty/Self-Preservation)
>>3374595What could possibly go wrong?Bitch is out cold.I feel like Archer is kind of the sort that would attempt to pursue us in revenge if we killed her anyway.We can have Caster do so many FUN things to her as well.Just imagine the look on her face when she wakes up in a dark room and attempts to call Archer only to realise that nobody is coming and her command spells are gone.
Oh right.Don't forget to head stomp Keiseki for luckJust in case.
One thing to remember is that our allies at our base wouldn't necessarily approve of whatever fucked up magical torture you guys are planning if we kidnap her.
>>3374697We're not planning torture.We're planning ENHANCED INTERROGATION.Big difference.We're totally in the right here.This woman is a terrorist.
>>3374704That is not necessarily true. Also if we take her and run we leave behind Truviet. And she's been with us for a while. She needs some kind of support. I dont feel good with just abandoning her like this.
ARCHER HAS NO WEAKNESSES
>>3374717You know, that is something we need to discuss. I personally don’t want to abandon her simply because she’s served us rather well and her servant is dead, so there’s really no reason to kill her/let her die.
>>3374717>>3374725Agreed. We should try to find Truviet and bring her back with us. It’d be wrong to leave her.
>>3374725>Kill Kikuko>Truvi contracts with Archer>Both are pissed at usHMMM
>>3374725I don't want to either but we don't really have a choice here.Archer will be on our ass instantly if we kill KukikoWe'll have a valuable head start if we don't kill her immediately.
>>3374732Yeah, that's the kicker.Archer can't contract with another *better* master if he's still stuck with his naive sadistic retard master who's currently getting the circuits and command spells ripped out of her.
>>3374725It more then that, she is the only one to suffer because of our actions. She has more than earned my respect. We also have disregarded her opinions. Also since she is familiar with the war; she is probably thinking that she is going to die shortly due to Lancers death.>>3374736We do have a chance. We can search for Truviet while Archer and Caster fight it out after we (hopefully)kill her/(but probably)kidnap her.
>>3374756Kidnapping her is better for our goals.Remember.CasterNon Magus/Servant enemy.Like a lamb to the slaughter.We'll know everything she knows and she'll dance like a puppet to whatever tune we sing.
>>3374732I can accept her anger after what happened, but I'm sure she would forgive us.
>>3374764We dont actually know if she is a magus, (or god forbid a dead apposite) we haven't seen her actually do anything offensive, we should be wearily of what she might be capable of.
>>3374765She blames us for Lancer's death (even tho she followed our plans of her own free will). She's probably had enough of following us and it's probably safe to assume she'll become an enemy if she contracts with archer, or heck, rider.
>>3374780Anon, if she was a dead apostle the sun would be harming her and a single heel smash would have just made her laugh.And even if she IS a magus she's still gonna get fucking destroyed by Circe, who is probably the greatest magus active in this era not counting True Magic bullshit.Additionally, we aren't gonna kill a dead apostle with our bare hands anyway.
>Adviser to Heroes: BAs an enchantress who facilitates the accomplishments of others, Caster is able to offer preternaturally good advice to one whom she considers a "hero". When aiding this person, her predictive and analytical abilities are enhanced significantly.I feel like we haven't seen much of this yet. Also we definitely need her to make some enchanted items for us when we get the chance.
>>3374794Is this identity theft?
>>3374800>anon who does edits of an identity thief gets his identity stolenIt's a deep irony
>>3374788I'm sure she will listen to us after she calms down, she did just go through a crushing defeat.
>>3374805Do you think there was something between them?
>>3374807No. But maybe.
>>3374697They don't need to know exactly what's going on. Caster's tower is a quiet place.>>3374717Archer is sure to be on our ass instead of Truvi's since we have his master. And if he takes Truvi hostage for negotiations, we just need to use the first spell to guarantee Truvi's safety and a second to kill himself.>>3374764Now that I think about it, we'll have pretty much free reign over what we do with Kikuko. Rather than torture her, we could potentially rewire her into being a good (and/or more importantly, loyal) person. After Archer is dealt with of course.>>3374805Hopefully Truvi comes around. It would be unfortunate to have to kill her after she's been such a help to us.>>3374807After what we saw of Truvi gunning Lancer with Gandr at the beginning of the war? Not likely.
>>3374819>Yumigawa Rushorou>Train someone else into a good personI think you may have some trouble with that.
I feel like we're really getting off track and making way too many assumptions about what we can do with Kikuko. We should do everything in our power to weaken Archer and strengthen ourselves to defeat him instead of wasting time with edgy torture.
>>3374819>After what we saw of Truvi gunning Lancer with Gandr at the beginning of the war? Not likely.She's an Edelfelt, they're all tsundere ojous. Even the men.
>>3374819Re-writing her seems a tad too evil for my taste. If we are going to kidnap her (like the votes suggest) cant we just get the info we need then finish her. Going any further than that is too cruel.
>>3374828I just want to make her use a command spell to have Archer kill himself. Simple as.
>>3374828It's not edgy torture.That's just a bit of funposting.The point stands that Caster, being a LITERAL GODDESS OF MAGIC can do so much. Including geas, brainwashing, command spell stealing.And as Archer has A rank independent action, killing her won't do shit.
>>3374825Hey, I never said it would be the textbook good. Thus the part in parentheses.>>3374831If we rewire her, we can at least spare her life. Hell, we might even get some use out of her if we figure out what she's good at.[Spoiler]At least let me try to manufacture compassion points[/spoiler]
>>3374825Define good. Loyal and useful to RUSHOROU? That’s a good person. Stands in the way of our goals? That’s a B A D hombre.
>>3374831We don't have to kill her or rewrite her.Just slap a dozen "if you perform action, you will die." Geas onto her.
Take no prisoners:>>3374595>>3374606>>3374636"The Classic Caster">>3374586>>3374587>>3374600>>3374632>>3374710>[X] Throw her over your shoulder and mentally ask Caster if she can facilitate you getting her back to the university as a prisoner. (Pride/Sadism)The question now is, do you want to look for Truvietianne or run back to the university ASAP?
>>3374844 I don't see rewriting as a compassion action
Also I'm not sure if anyone's discussed this yet but it's possible that our appearance changes are linked to our "alignment" based on our choices like Duty, Sadism, etc. Might not be true but it's definitely possible since we're a conceptual being now.
>>3374861Look for Truviet
>>3374861Let’s look for Tuvi first.
>>3374861Look for Truvietianne. It’s a dangerous world out there....
>>3374861>look for TruvietDamn it we don't have time for this!
>>3374861Let's get Truvi outta there
>>3374861Run back ASAP.It seems a bit ridiculous to take her back to a place that Archer has been able to easily break into in the past, just saying. Unless we prepare traps for him or something.
>wasting time getting back to our castle when we'll likely be hunted by Archer and we're carrying a hostage
>>3374880He only made it through the weakest part of the barrier.Also if Fate has taught me anything it is this.When MC makes an ally, it's an ally for life.
>>3374862If we want to spare her I think we can have Circe polymorph her then reverse it at the end of the war. But I think that's something we can figure out later. >>3374861Look for her but if we can't immediately find her we quickly leave. We don't have that much time.
>>3374895>end our interrogation with "now what animal would you prefer to be, if you could choose?"Unlimited Sadism Works
I'm still wondering if we've seen the effects of that 100 yet.I also wonder if Hitler-chan was watching our display.
Honestly, what a bunch of BASED and EPIC edit/drawfags. Kings, the lot of you.
>>3374911I mean, based on how everything has went since the betrayal? I can definitely see that natty on display.
>>3374912Some day I will redraw Killer Queen or The World to look like Circe
>>3374938>Yumigawa just wants a quiet lifeNah, I have it on good authority that one simple thought occupies his mind: to be victorious and rule!
>[X] Go looking for Truvietianne before returning to the university.Roll d100
Rolled 12 (1d100)>>3374951Come on....
Rolled 94 (1d100)>>3374951
>>3374959ONCE AGAIN LUCK HAS SIDED WITH YUMIGAWA RUSHOROU
Rolled 10 (1d100)>>3374951
>>3374959I guess Truvi is our charge now, since she's a noncombatant.
Looking at Kikuko's unconscious body and considering your future course, you decide to consult with Caster. Fortunately, your current location is hidden from the view of the ship, so the Servants are still waiting for the conference between Masters to be completed. You open the telepathic connection between the two of you, explaining how you dealt with Keiseki and Kikuko.'How marvellous,' Caster replies cheerily, 'and now you're unsure of how to get out of this situation?' 'That's right,' you tell her. 'There are three things I need to do here. First, to neutralize Archer. Taking Munahara as a hostage is the best way to do that, I think, but can your magic arrange some way for us to get away without Archer being able to intercept?. Second, I need to find Edelfelt and make sure she gets back to the university. Even without a Servant, she's too useful to allow her to fall here. Frankly, though, I'm not confident of finding her in all these towers. Do you have any thoughts on how to go about that? Finally, we obviously need to make it safely back to the university ourselves.''That's a lot to consider,' Caster replies, 'but Rider should be feeling the effects of his Master's death shortly, which means Archer will be looking for that girl. For now, focus on taking her and getting to street level as quickly as you can. I'll make a retreat here.'True to Caster's words, as you throw Kikuko over your shoulder you can hear the creaking and groaning of wood below, as Rider's ship begins to lose the power keeping it aloft. "What the devil?" Rider roars, his voice echoing off the surrounding buildings, "Keiseki! What's going on?" You beat a hasty retreat to the fire escape, which is fortunately on the opposite side of the building from the river. As you pass his corpse, you give Keiseki's head a final resentful kick, which manages to complete your earlier attempt at decapitation.As you rush down the fire escape, Caster's voice returns to your mind. 'Alright, Master,' she says, 'Archer and Rider are preoccupied dealing with the ship going down! I was able to get away without their notice by leaving an illusion behind.' Then you reach the base of the building, and she's waiting there. For a moment, you lose track of your thoughts, overwhelmed by relief at seeing her safe after her desperate battle. Thoughtlessly, you wrap your free hand around her in a one-armed hug, pulling her close.
"M-Master," Caster squeaks, "you-this isn't the time!" As you hold her close, you can feel her heartbeat accelerate. Then you pull back, embarrassed."Sorry," you say, "I wasn't thinking."Red-faced, Caster replies, "No, it's fine, it's just... not right now.""Right, of course," you nod in bashful assent. "We need to hurry. Can you scry for Edelfelt, or something?""Here," Caster raises a finger to the reflective surface of the office's window, and the image of Truvietianne walking appears. She's evidently some distance away from the river, as her surroundings are still and tranquil. The girl herself still looks angry and distraught, periodically sniffing as she walks. "She's walking straight South, back to the university," Caster says, "not using the roundabout path we took on the way here. She's already halfway back, and there's been no pursuit. I don't think there's anything to worry about with her.""I see," you say, before Caster continues, "Now, if you can tolerate some heavy energy use, I can teleport the three of us back to the university.">[ ] "Go ahead," you tell her, "time is of the essence now." (Duty)>[ ] "Hold on," you say, "can you take us to Truvietianne instead?" (Compassion)
>>3375128>[ ] "Hold on," you say, "can you take us to Truvietianne instead?" (Compassion)I mean, she *is* already halfway there. Man, bravo QM. This whole mini-arc has simply been gorgeous. I’ve never quite despised an enemy on /qst/ the same way I do Archer, and the writing her has been absolute kino. Bravo.
>>3375132>[ ] "Hold on," you say, "can you take us to Truvietianne instead?" (Compassion)Truvietianne assisted us and, as of now, is just as helpless as the people Assassin protects. I will not allow an innocent to die, let alone a former ally, if I can help it.
>>3375132>[ ] "Hold on," you say, "can you take us to Truvietianne instead?" (Compassion)
>>3375143Aw, thanks anon! That really means a lot to me. Hope everyone else is enjoying things as well!
>>3375158I just wanted to punch archer before this, now I just want him dead, by any means necessary. So thank you for giving me a hate sink.
>>3375158I enjoy things, as I am fully capable of the laughter.
>>3375158Also great writing with Caster. You have made her one of the few Caster class servants I like.
Now the question I have to ask myself is, how many of you will follow me when F/CA ends and I begin my OC isekai quest, "Was that Trope Based on Reality? When I Died I was Reborn in a New World thanks to a Celestial Filing Error!"
>>3375132>"No, it's fine, it's just... not right now.">"Now, if you can tolerate some heavy energy use, I can teleport the three of us back to the university."Is a fug imminent or did we chose the wrong option?
>>3375205I will give you the benefit of the doubt and see how it starts.
>>3375205Can I make more Dio edits for the protag?
>>3375287Oh man, only if you do them from the first 3 parts of the manga. I can hardly believe Dio looks as bad as he does later on.
>>3375294Then you know I'm there.Yeah, DIO is much better in Araki's earlier artstyle.
>>3375296>filenameHe's certainly not.
>>3375299He tried to be, unlike this one.
"Hold on," you say, considering the situation, "if you can teleport us back to the university, can you take us to Edelfelt's location instead? I'd like to make sure she doesn't run into the enemy on her way back.""If you insist," Caster answers reluctantly, and takes your hand, extending her wings to enclose the two of you, "Tροψα"For a moment, you feel a great burden as the magical energy flows out of you, through Caster and into the world. Then it's over, and you stand on another street, in front of Truvietianne. The girl blanches at your sudden appearance. "W-was that teleportation? That's..."Caster cuts her off. "Just a spacial transportation spell. It's nothing special, you know.""Hmph!" The younger magus sniffs in frustration. "I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything but derision from you. As for you, Yumigawa-kun," Truvietianne turns to face you, "have you taken up kidnapping?"You suppress a laugh. "No, Miss Edelfelt," you say, "after you left I was able to subdue the other two Masters myself. Rider's Master is no longer alive, but I did take this one prisoner. It is my hope that we will be able to use her against Archer.""Well," Truvietianne says, "isn't that lovely for you? I wish you all the best of fortune. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm returning to the university to join Matsuda-kun and Ogawara-kun as one unable to participate in the Holy Grail War!" Clearly, it will be some time before Truvietianne's frustration begins to fade. Still, you may as well try to make the best of it."And that's exactly why I'm here now, Miss Edelfelt," you say, filling your voice with warmth and concern, "I was worried you might run into an enemy Servant on your way back, so Caster and I decided we should accompany you.""Thank you," Truvietianne says icily, "for your concern."With Truvietianne's attitude depressing the atmosphere, the rest of the walk back to the university is largely silent. Kikuko stirs once or twice, but doesn't wake.You arrive just as the university clock tower chimes noon, shocking you. It feels as if its been days since you set out, but you realize now that the whole affair took barely more than two hours. As you step inside the university's protective wards, you allow yourself to fall to a seat on one of the garden benches, relief at your escape flooding through you and sapping the nervous energy that's kept you going."Master," Caster says as you take your rest, "what do you want to do with Archer's Master?""Ah yes," you say, "for now...">[ ] "Lock her up in one of the basement rooms. I have some other things to take care of before we deal with her fully." (Write in what you want to do at the university. See Ogawara or Matsuda, eat lunch, discuss other matters with Circe, etc.)>[ ] "Let's take her into the university chapel. I have some plans for her, and it's well separated from prying eyes and ears." (Write in how you want to deal with Kikuko.)>[ ] Something else. (Write in)
>>3375373>[ ] "Lock her up in one of the basement rooms. I have some other things to take care of before we deal with her fully." (Write in what you want to do at the university. See Ogawara or Matsuda, eat lunch, discuss other matters with Circe, etc.)See if caster can make sure she stays asleep. Gather ogawara and matsuda, Truviet is she wants to be alone so be it. Inform them of the situation, what transpired, stay with someone incase archer breaks in. See circe. Double check make sure she is alright after the fight, Express guilt of walking into a trap and inadvertently getting Lancer killed. Ask her to keep an eye on Truviet, as a precaution. Then move on to what to do with archers master.I might be forgetting a few things but that should cover most of everything. Keeps people informed, maybe protected. Shows Circe we care, and gives time for Truviet to claim down, while also being monitored.
>>3375373>[ ] "Let's take her into the university chapel. I have some plans for her, and it's well separated from prying eyes and ears." (Write in how you want to deal with Kikuko.)We should keep her as close to Caster as possible, to ensure Archer can't reach her.Remember, Archer had to meet us far away from her room at a weak point in her defences despite having Magic Resistance at A, so if Kikuko is in the strongest point that isn't right next to Caster then he can't reach her.We can put additional defences around her and then either turtle until he vanishes or brainwash her and make Archer an heroic spirit.
>>3375373>[ ] "Let's take her into the university chapel. I have some plans for her, and it's well separated from prying eyes and ears." (Write in how you want to deal with Kikuko.)Let's have some fun.Make it so she wakes up in a dark room tied to a chair unable to call Archer.Then the INTERROGATION begins. Have Caster do whatever mind reading shit she can pull off.Geas her too.Then, depending on what she's after and why she did what she did, if it's an unjust cause ask her what sort of animal she wants to be. If she's not massively evil she can stay in the chapel.If she actually has some righteous goal, allow her to roam the university with plenty of geas' preventing a betrayal. See if Caster can steal the command spells for Archer either way. these parallels tho.
>>3375569We should have Circe figure out a way to block the telepathy between Master and Servant.
>>3375573YeahAlsoI at least want to her reasoning anyway.Mr. "Give me Caster, i outplayed u lol" was just toooo dumb to live though.We're a psychopath that cares for his friends (and goals) and can perfectly conceal his true emotions. Keiseki got in the way of both our motivators.So clearly we needed to dispose of him.Kikuko... well, her fate will be decided by her actions.
>>3375158Yeah, good job writing Archer.He's a real piece of work.An excellent villain.
>>3375373Before anything else, find a way to tell the others to remain deep within Caster's barrier. Their survival may depend on it.>[ ] "Let's take her into the university chapel. I have some plans for her, and it's well separated from prying eyes and ears." (Write in how you want to deal with Kikuko.)First, silence Kikuko to prevent her from using her command seals. Also obstruct the communication between master and servant, if possible.Second, find out what's really going on inside her head. What kind of person she is, why she betrayed us, etc. Search around her memories too to find out how she came to cooperate with Rider and what she was thinking each time she met us. We need to know their relation to Rider just in case Rider isn't dead yet and the QAR is still a problem.Third, have Caster scry to see if Rider is really gone or not. I don't want to use Archer's command seals until we can be sure that doing so will eliminate him for good.Fourth, if we know Archer won't get QAR zombified (either because he never "served" on the ship in the first place or because Rider is through and by extension the QAR) then take care of Archer. If Kikuko is a good person and it's possible, mind control Kikuko and order him to kill himself since it would be nice to avoid tearing out the nerves in her arm when she doesn't deserve it. If Kikuko is a vile shitstain or mind control either can't be done or would be too risky, just take the command seals and do it. If she has three command seals still, use two for good measure since Magic Resistance A is a bitch like that.Once we know what kind of person Kikuko is, we can come to a further conclusion about what to do with her.
>>3375622>If she has three command seals still, use two for good measure since Magic Resistance A is a bitch like that.Magic Resistance can't defy Command Spells, only sheer willpower can.We might have to use multiple Command Spells anyway given that Archer is Cunt Eastwood.
>>3375626>As they are magecraft, the A-rank Magic Resistance of Saber and Rider of Black are great enough to repulse and withstand a single stroke of a Command Spell.Never mind.USE ALL THE SPELLS
>>3375626No, it's the magic resistance that helps Saber.Her willpower isn't that fantastic at least compared to other servants. The only person with enough willpower to do shit like that is Gilgamesh. And he nosells Manjew's evil mud.
>>3375630Yeah, I saw that alreadyStill, we now know that we'll need to use at least two Command Spells.We might as well make it three to be 100% certain of killing Archer and to remove Kikuko from the Grail War.
>>3375638It's smarter to use two. Holding onto the third will keep the contract in place (if you use all three command spells, the contract is broken and the servant can go find a new master), and then we can watch to see if the third command spell vanishes, which will signal Archer's demise.Granted, it'd be hard to find a new contract while carrying out a suicide order, but they can't resist two spells and better safe than sorry.
>>3375644>and then we can watch to see if the third command spell vanishes, which will signal Archer's demisePretty sure they don't disappear when your Servant dies. You can still form a contract with another Servant.
>>3375652>Their loss does not indicate forfeiture of position in the Grail War, as the contract with the Servant is also part of being a Master.
>>3375652They do disappear when killed. It happens many, many times in the various installments of Fate.
>>3375657post links, I can only quote from the wiki here so shit's probably wrong
>>3375663https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Command_Spells"Command Spells do not disappear simply with the loss of a Servant, but instead only when one gives up or loses their right to be a Master. With regular Masters, this happens instantly upon losing their Servant, and only members of the Three Founding Families have shown the ability to exercise the authority of a Master even without a Servant. They will not lose their Command Spells so long as there exist Servants without established contracts."It happens a lot in the VN, but it's harder to find concrete examples from the anime. I'll keep looking, though.
>>3375673How in the fuck did I miss that?Whatever, I guess we'll use two Command Spells, then steal the third and sever the contract if that doesn't work.
>>3375673Oh, and by the way, there's a play through of F/SN on LPArchive if you want to get direct quotes from the VN.https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/
>>3375690That's really helpful. I'll use that from now on. Thanks a lot.If you'd like a direct example of disappearing command spells from the VN, then one instance happens right at the beginning of this scene in Heaven's Feel.https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20297/
>casually murders people>no negative reaction to first kill>kidnaps people>plans to brainwash a girl, or rip the nerves out of her arm as punishment.>or turn her into a random animal (Snake? Pig? Cat?)>makes agreements, immediately breaks agreement and murders the guy who we made the agreement with>wants to rule>befriended Hitler >manipulates people like they are puppets >grins like a lunatic when he's trampling on others and murdering his enemiesHans... are we the baddies?
>>3375766>casually murders peopleHey! I'll have you know that we murder people very angrily, not casually. And they were also trying to kill us. It was legally dubious self defense!>makes agreements, immediately breaks agreement and murders the guy who we made the agreement withIt's impossible to give true consent when placed under duress. That agreement was invalid from the get-go, officer!>kidnaps people>plans to brainwash a girl, or rip the nerves out of her arm as punishment.The kidnapping is the only way to save her, realistically speaking. And if she's a snake, we can't exactly let her remain prisoner or run back to the apartment complex and spread filthy lies into the heads of Ogawara/Matsuda/Truvi or the survivors. It's for their own protection, I swear.>manipulates people like they are puppets..It's negotiation. Yeah. That.>grins like a lunatic when he's trampling on others and murdering his enemiesUhhh... it's the adrenaline. Can't help it, y'know.
We need to invest more into Compassion.
>>3375795>CompassionWe're working on it.We can be nice to our prisoner if she cooperates.First we'll ask questions Then we'll go into Caster interrogation mode.If we feel like being nice we won't even meatdoll her.
>>3375789>Hey! I'll have you know that we murder people very angrily, not casually. And they were also trying to kill us. It was legally dubious self defense!We murdered one person angrily and one person casually.>It's impossible to give true consent when placed under duress. That agreement was invalid from the get-go, officer!This.>The kidnapping is the only way to save her, realistically speaking. And if she's a snake, we can't exactly let her remain prisoner or run back to the apartment complex and spread filthy lies into the heads of Ogawara/Matsuda/Truvi or the survivors. It's for their own protection, I swear.That's right. We have no cruel, skeevy or manipulative intentions toward her. We just want to conduct some enhanced interrogation, yeah?>...It's negotiation. Yeah. That.CHARISMA! THE SHEER EMOTIVE POWER THAT DRIVES A SOLDIER, TO FOLLOW A DICTATOR OR PUT HIS FAITH IN A CORRUPT CULT!
>>3375766>casually murders peopleHey, if they fight back it counts as a foight, not murder >no negative reaction to first killThat guy had an irritating face>kidnaps people*kidnaps little girls he knocked unconscious >plans to brainwash a girl, or rip the nerves out of her arm as punishment.I’ll have you know, I just want her to force her magical bff to commit seppuku.>or turn her into a random animal (Snake? Pig? Cat?)......>makes agreements, immediately breaks agreement and murders the guy who we made the agreement withHonestly, do you need to honor agreements with scum that collaborated with traitors?>wants to ruleAs we should>befriended Hitler *befriended Hitler-chan >manipulates people like they are puppets When you’ve got the strings....>grins like a lunatic when he's trampling on others and murdering his enemies*grins like a lunatic when he's trampling on those who oppose his enlightened and destined rule and murdering those who oppose his enlightened and destined rule
>random Student Council President is responsible for every death so far except Lancer, who conveniently decided to die as a result of our actions.This is some Kiritsugu level shit.We don't need to be a Magus Killer to crush these insects. Imagine being dumb enough to trust somebody in a death match.
>>3376160>Imagine being dumb enough to trust somebody in a death match.>Imagine being Truvietianne Edelfelt
>>3376160Conveniently forgetting we trusted a Archer and a Japanese Schoolgirl
>>3376165I mean. We're guilty of going into that ambush. But we fucking turned that ambush around.I think the difference is that they really should've known better. We just got tricked and recovered. Keiseki and Kikuko got japed so hard in response. Truvi made a good choice in trusting us of all people because Perseus was shit.We're a psychopath but we won't cross you unless we're crossed first. >Saber attacked us>Rider and Keiseki tried to trick us and take Caster>Archer and Kikuko tried to set us up
>>3376173Honestly we would've been fine if Perseus hadn't jobbed hard.2v2 is still winnable.
>>3376211Also we had no idea Archer and Kukiko were planning something considering in our other meetings they seemed not to want to murder us.He even went for a non lethal spot when he was shooting us.Well except in the bad ends but that was just that dick Archer.Also >Keiseki, an office manager is casually outplayed by a man who in a world without the war would've likely become a CEO or Company President. We were his superior in every way.
>>3376211Fucking Perseus, man. Had a kit on par with Cu Chulainn's, but because he's ancient Shinji he fucked it up. I get that it's hard for Truvi, but she should probably be glad that asshat kicked the bucket before he could do something stupid and Shinjoid like turn on Rushorou, thereby dooming himself and endangering his master.
>>3376270Honestly I fucked up giving him Battle Continuation A. From what I had in mind for the character, it should have been B or C.
>>3376270>Fucking Perseus, man. Had a kit on par with Cu Chulainn'sThey really are similar.>Harpe's NO HEALZ ALLOWED ≈ Gay Bulge's NO HEALZ ALLOWED>Mirror Ballsack and Erection of Doom are both weapons you have to interrupt or you'll get fucked over>Both have high mobility (Cu Chulainn is kenyan fast and Perseus has his magic dance shoes)
>>3376303One’s just unlucky and the other is bitchmade.>>3376231You could say Rushorou was... chosen by heaven...
>>3376318You could say it was... made in heaven.
>>3376288I am a little confused as to how he got iced so easily. Did No Name’s gun have a property that got around defenses or something? Or is Perseus just a jobber?
>>3376303>thinking interrupting the activation of Gae Bolg does anything If it were Cu here we'd get>GAE BO->Colt 45!>Angry spear gibs Archer anyway because muh causality rewriting It didn't work too well for Bazette either.
>>3376326Basically, Perseus has the gods' favor and so he gets a lot of fancy toys, skills, and stats, but that doesn't mean he knows how to use them.Such is the nature of anyone who shares a significant number of traits with Shinji.
>>3376326Basically it goes like this. Endurance is the ability to mitigate damage, Battle Continuation is the ability to tolerate damage. Lancer's endurance is C; not great.From the FSN status screen, the description of Battle Continuation A says that it>allows the user to stay alive until they receive a clearly fatal blow.A .45 round to the heart is something I'd consider "a clearly fatal blow."
>>3376341I'd say the same to an enchanted barbed spear of death through the heart and Cu kept functioning after that.
>>3376160>he says while we're all still trusting Truvi for no reason
>>3376352I thought that scene was bullshit when I read it, and I still do now.In any case, the skill "rules" back up what happened to Perseus. Cu survived because of his ridiculous willpower.
>>3376327It only works out badly because those attacks go off last and then rewrite causality to have actually gone first all along.Let me explain:>A: Gae Bolg activates>B: Therefore you get penetratedA switches the order to:>A: You get penetrated>B: Therefore Gae Bolg activatedColt .45 and Fragarach normally insert>C: Cu gets shotbefore A, but when A is "Gae Bolg activates" then it gets inserted like so:>A: Cu gets shot>B: Bazett gets penetrated hur hur>C: Therefore Gae Bolg activatedTherefore, if you interrupt A without using a time-travelling attack then you're OK.The real trouble is in stopping Cu from shouting out the name, because he likes to back off first if I remember that one anime clip right.>It is like Tsubame Gaeshi in that the best measure against it is to not allow it to begin. Unlike Tsubame Gaeshi, which there is no way to stop it once it has been used, it is possible to find a countermeasure for Gáe Bolg once it is found out that it will go for the heart.t. wikiIf I made a mistake, please tell me.
>>3376352Cu also isn't a little bitch who got handed a bunch of glory and magical shit solely because of who his daddy is. Cu stands back up after killing himself and keeps fighting because he's a badass. Shinji (our Perseus analog) runs from the room with his tail between his legs after Lancer pokes him in the shoulder. It's not a stretch to think that Perseus might be similarly unused to pain and just froze from the shock.>>3376377For Cu, it lines up perfectly well with his legend. Dude tied himself to a rock (or a tree or a fence depending on the version) as he fought to the death because, as far as he's concerned, only bitches fall over when they die. His enemies didn't figure out he was dead until a raven landed on his shoulder since he was still standing upright.
>>3376377You're forgetting that servants are still spirits with a different body composition. A "clearly fatal" wound is something that is harder to pull off than you might think.You have to critically damage a servants spiritual core, whilst the heart and brain are directly linked to it and deal the most damage.Battle Continuation A is typically bullshit enough to let you continue to meander about even with that critical damage.
>>3376394To be fair to Shinji that was a poke with Gae Bolg so Shinji was profusely bleeding for a good few minutes because the blood wouldn't be able to clot.
By the way, how many of you know that Arturia and Erina have the same dub VA?
>>3376387My understanding is a bit different. The "rewriting of causality" is closer to a rewriting of the future. I might just end up saying the same thing as you in different words, but I think it's worth putting out there in hopes that everybody gains a better understanding of the bullshit that is the Gae Bolg.Here's how things go on a timeline:>1: Gae Bolg activates>2: Next thing to occur>3: Gae Bolg strikes its targetSection 3 is written into the future as soon as Gae Bolg activates, and its dependency, causality-wise, is reversed. Gae Bolg activates because Gae Bolg lands. No matter what happens, we'll arrive at step 3 even if the world itself has to bend to make it happen. That's why, in the beginning of FSN, Lancer can thrust at Saber's feet and the lance warps itself and its course in order to strike Saber's heart.That part of the future - that Gae Bolg would hit - was decided as soon as Gae Bolg was activated. Saber survived because of Luck, which is your power to change your fate. With a high enough luck, you can rewrite the fate applied to you where you get hit, like so:>1: Gae Bolg activates>2: Saber avoids the attack and in doing so alters fate, leading to step 3b instead of step 3>3b: Gae Bolg doesn't strike its target because Saber avoided itHere, Gae Bolg doesn't land, cutting off the weapon's effect at its source.With Colt .45 and Fragarach, they strike first and retroactively cancel the activation of the Noble Phantasm rather than the hit that follows. The way they work is as such:>1: NP activates>2: Interrupter is triggered by the activationChanging the timeline to:>1: Interrupter fires "first">2: NP is cancelled because it has been interruptedNow let's consider that interaction with the Gae Bolg. We start at step 1:>1: Gae Bolg activatesAt this moment, the timeline is altered and this is what we have:>1: Gae Bolg activates>2: Next thing to occur>3: Gae Bolg lands a hitNow that the timeline has reached step 2, the next thing that happens is the firing of the interrupter.>1: Gae Bolg activates>2: Interrupter is triggered by the activation>3: Gae Bolg lands a hitAnd the timeline is changed again. But the only thing that changes are the positions of steps 1 and 2 - the future where step 3 occurs isn't changed because that's not covered by the interrupters. Gae Bolg retroactively doesn't activate, but that doesn't matter - it activated even if that activation has been erased, and the reversal of causality has already been established. Gae Bolg activates because Gae Bolg lands. Its effect is not a direct result of its activation like it is with any other attack.The result of the interaction as a whole is this final timeline:>1: Interrupter fires "first">2: Gae Bolg is cancelled because it has been interrupted>3: Gae Bolg lands a hitAn explanation of why shields can stop Gae Bolg is much simpler, but is best saved for a different post if anyone wants/needs it.
>>3376531Isn't the reason the shield blocked it simply because it was a throw and not a thrust?Only "shield" I see blocking the thrust is an activated Avalon. For obvious reasons.
>>3376544The throw is different from the thrust, yes, but the VN explains at one point (I'm struggling to remember where exactly) that there are only three ways to not get killed by the Gae Bolg - first, have high enough luck to overpower the curse; second, have a shield with enough magical energy to overwhelm the lance; and third, don't let it be activated to begin with.
>>3376531>>3376567Speaking of luck, you think B is a bit low for what just transpired, or would we have had to go through the whole event unscathed?
>>3376670I mean, 40x nat luck (and just one tier under the natural max) is pretty astonishing already
>>3376670B is immensely lucky40x luckier than averageE is 10x luckier than average but became a dumb meme.
Sorry for the lack of updates today, folks. Life kinda got the better of me this morning. I'm finally ready to sit down and write now, though.
>>3376754No worries. Life happens sometimes.
So, what would Kikuko have to say or do in the interrogation for you to not want to give her some terrible punishment, anons?Also, we should get some throwing knives.Maybe ask Caster to makes us a set or something.
btw, QM, was the command spell the Dead End or were both viable options?
>>3376754>pic related>>337710Absolutely nothing. She kills her servant and swears a loyalty geas, or she goes.Personally, I’m inclined towards a bow. With our enhanced strength and a legit magical bow w magic arrows, it could be niceu.
>>3377108>what would Kikuko have to sayGood one, anon.She won't be saying jack shit unless she's put under heavy suggestion. Some sort of mind invasion would be most likely. No way in hell are we about to let her speak freely when she can then use a command spell to summon the roach to her side.
>>3377531A bow kind of says "I'M GOING TO SHOOT YOU" though. Quickly reaching into a pocket and introducing somebody's skull to a knife will allow us to kill people before they can use command spells.
>>3377552That just sounds like you want to make us DIO, desu.
>>3377552We don’t have Za Warudo, so knives ultimately are an inferior solution for us.
>>3377576I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to make us into DIO
>>3377588Believe it or not, I’m the guy who did the pride write-in. I’ve been voting to turn us into a villain akin to DIO, but just slightly more ethical and less retarded.
>>3377552>>3377576>not channeling the energies of both villains whose edits and posting have served us so well>not having Caster make us throwing knives that have already been touched by Killer Queen since nobody would expect knives to actually be grenades>>3377586>not making discount Za Warudo knives by making knives that accelerate their internal time Kiritsugu-style once thrown
>>3377657Now, internally accelerating grenade knives I can get behind.
Why reduce ourselves to "X but also Y"? I'm not too big of a fan of that.
Memes aside, throwing knives sound pretty good. We can always use them as regular knives in close combat anyway, and it's good to keep some weapons always on us.
>>3377690>make throwing knives>win grail war>final boss is Cid>he's an executor>"shall we compare the speed of our knives?"
>>3377763>>he's an executorThat would be a possibility, wouldn't it?
>>3377769He's our Kirei stand-in, I fully expect him to be an executor ready to instakill the last Master standing and keep the Grail for himself.
>>3377792We should 100 percent have Caster make an illusion of us for when we go to him to claim the grail.Then when he attempts to kill us just have Caster fucking nuke him.
>>3377769>>3377792He could also be a dead apostle since Kikuko was our prime suspect and Sweets might want to pull the rug out from under us. Maybe he's both. That'd be a doozy.Also, yeah, he's totally going to try to murder us to get the Grail. There's a reason he didn't show or even mention Assassin to any of the other Masters.He's also a priest confirmed by Sweets to be voiced by Jouji Nakata. He practically walks around sipping from a cup labeled "malicious intent."
>>3377872>the Order>allowing a Dead Apostle into their ranks*insert heresy pic here, I lost my files*
"Let's take her into the university chapel," you say, "we may need to be harsh with her in order to neutralize Archer, and it's well away from prying eyes and ears.""Oh?" Caster replies, "And just what is it you want to do to this girl that needs to be kept hidden?""Well," you explain, as the two of you continue indoors, "all of this is contingent on your magical abilities, to be frank. If there's anything you wouldn't be able to do, let me know.""Alright," she says, "go on.""First, we'll need to stop her from contacting Archer, either by telepathy or command spell. We can't risk having her summon him to us. Then I'd like to interrogate her; find out what her intentions were, and her background. Frankly, I'm still not certain whether she truly wanted to betray us, or she was just going along with Archer's plans. We should also be able to find out more about the nature of Archer and Rider's abilities that way. Lastly, we'll need to determine to what extent we can use her against Archer. Would it be possible for you to apply some kind of mental domination or binding, Caster?""Kyahaha~!" Caster lets out a high laugh, "You were worried about whether I could do that? Master, I can do all that and more; the mind of an unconscious human is an open book to me. Extracting her memories, giving her commands, even rewriting her personality: it's all child's play for the Sorceress of Aeaea!"Having arrived at the chapel, you lay the unconscious girl down on a strange marble pedestal in the center of the room. For a moment, you wonder what purpose the odd thing could serve in the ceremonies normally practiced here, but the matter is immaterial. You're not going to ignore a useful piece of furniture, at any rate."Caster," you order, "First, bind her in place and silence her.""Δεσμός" At the witch's word, golden chains of light encircle Kikuko's wrists and ankles, and her body goes rigid as the magical energy seizes control of her muscles. The light draws your attention to Kikuko's hands, and for the first time you realize that she has only one command spell remaining! Although the red mark on her hand forms a pattern of three crosses, two have faded into dull imprints; only a final piece of the spell remains bright."Now," you say, "show me her memories."Caster replies with another incantation, "Ιστορία," and without warning your senses are overridden. You plunge through the recent past, and into more deeper memories, until you reach the time before Kikuko was summoned into the War.
>>3377872>"GUYS LISTEN UP YOU FUCKING RETARDS, THE OVERSEER HAS AN ASSASSIN AND IS ATTEMPTING TO DUPE US ALL!">"lets kill Rushorou and his allies instead">"great idea."Everyone in this war is a retard I fucking swear.In hindsight, an alliance with Saber might have been a possibility had Perseus not had a raging murderboner for the guy
>>3377880Say hello to Merem Solomon. 20th Dead Apostle Ancestor and member of the Burial Agency.
While your method of viewing them is mystical and shocking, Kikuko's memories are anything but. She was an ordinary human, a Japanese student in her second year of high-school. Within that constrained social order, she worked to enhance her own position as much as possible using a calculated persona and her natural charm. To the male students, she was the "Academy Madonna," the flower on a peak they admired without daring to approach. To her female peers, she was the "queen bee," leader of a clique of the most popular girls. She used her popularity and social network to torment less attractive or socially adept students, but always took care to keep word of her own involvement from spreading. One day, she was torn out of this petty lifestyle to awaken in a burning building, much like yourself.Her time in the Third City was a continuous series of flight, manipulation, and the sacrifice of others to protect herself. One after another, she found other survivors, convinced them to protect her, and saw them die. One such protector was a man who, dying, gave her one gold coin and four silver, which he claimed would protect her. When they summoned Archer, she discovered that he'd been right. After that, she allowed Archer to manage the affairs of the war. Her own wish for the Grail is to never be resented, but always loved on all sides; even by those she willfully hurts.Her first use of a command spell was to compel him to "Always keep me safe, no matter what!" Her only contribution to the strategy of the war was to insist that the two of them go to meet you after Archer witnessed your first skirmish with Saber and O'Mordha. Having found another student, she'd hoped to turn you into one of her admirers. In order to convince Archer to go along with this scheme, she was forced to use another command spell. Unfortunately, the meeting came to naught, and after this event she put aside all pretense of mastery.As for the alliance between Archer, Keiseki, and Rider, she didn't take part in the discussion herself. Archer would often leave her hidden in a building and scout on his own, and after one of these reconnaissance missions he simply informed her of the trap, and told her to wait with Keiseki during the fight. She's quite ignorant of Rider's abilities, and has never been aboard his ship. She does, however, possess full knowledge of Archer's abilities.Status UpdatedHaving extracted all useful information from the girl, you consider your next move...>[ ] Wake Kikuko up and have a conscious discussion.>[ ] Place binding geasa on her before awakening her. (Write in the details)>[ ] Rewrite her personality into something more to your liking. (Write in your changes. Be as detailed as possible.)>[ ] Remove her command spells and kill the girl.>[ ] Remove Kikuko's command spells and transform her into an animal of your choosing. (Sentience optional)
>>3377903Seems par for the course for Fate.>>3377925S-shut up!>>3377939So she's a bitch.
>>3377531Hey man, I've never written a magical interrogation scene before. Took a while to figure out how I wanted to handle it.>>3377667>internally accelerating grenade knivesJesus H. Christ
>>3377939Wow.What a bitch.Hmm.We have such free reign that I don't know what to pick, like a spoiled child receiving all of his Christmas presents at once.Let me think...
>>3377939Okay, so she's just a bitch who doesn't have any idea how to master good. We should think and discuss on this one. There's a lot we could do.
>>3377987Whatever we do, we should finish by removing that pretty mask of hers and bringing light to her true form: A vile repulsive snake.
>>3378004Yeah.We can Geas the everloving fuck out of her.We could install the three laws of robotics but just change Human to Yumigawa Rushorou and his alliesWe could rewrite her into being basically a slave.Or completely reverse her personality.We could take advantage of that first command to have her use her last one to make Archer kill himself and then threaten to kill herself if he doesn't.>>3378007She's a bad person sure, but her part played in the betrayal was negligible, she did genuinely want us to be her follower.She's likely been mindfucked by her experience in the selection round like you'd expect every non-magi or non-psychopath to be.
>>3377976Wasn’t complaining, just noticed that you posted almost three hours before my post and decided to use a rare reaction image correctly.>>3377939Ok, so she’s a infinitely inferior version of Rushorou. Hmm...>>3378004Frankly, I’m inclined towards geasing her into ordering Archer’s suicide as soon as she thinks of him, and then killing her once the deed is done. There’s just nothing valuable or interesting to be found with her. She *did* betray the almighty Kaichou after all.
>>3378043Yeah but, we could just do the equivalent of slapping a Flesh Bud on her.
>>3378035>she did genuinely want us to be her follower.You realize that's a bad thing, right?Besides, transmogrifying her should be considered a mercy.
Guys.Guys.Guys.I have and idea for what to do about Archer.Hear me out.You anons (at least, the fate veterans among you) remember UBW, right? Even Saber's A-rank magic resist resulted in her will being bent to Medea's in about a day or two.We have Medea's aunt right here.Let's give Circe the command seals.It's also worth noting that her first command seal was to make sure Archer "always keeps her safe, no matter what." Might be able to twist that into forcing his suicide somehow in conjunction with the second seal, like if we promise her safety if Archer An Heroic Spirits.
>>3378075Yeah it's a bad thing but she's not a batshit insane psychopath that murders anybody that gets in her way or could pose a problem.Like, err.Us.Also it's not really different from us forming our alliance with Truvi.Except we have charisma and the willpower of a Hero.>>3378079Yeah, there's no doubt that Caster can rewrite her to be totally loyal to us.
Ok so, how about we rewrite her into feeling total loyalty towards us and Caster to the point where she would rather kill herself than betray us or our orders?
>>3378085>she's not a batshit insane psychopath that murders anybody that gets in her way or could pose a problem.Hey, we killed the first person in a duel and the second one for trying to swindle us, if anything we're just apathetic.
>>3378116Anon we literally threw a guy through the air when he was attempting to shake his hand before we picked him up with a single hand by his face and attempted to decapitate him in a single strike.
>>3378129Like I said, for being a swindling scumbag.
>>3378129Heroes do as they do anon
>>3378142As far as he was concerned it was a totally fair exchange."You resign from the war and we don't kill you"Unfortunately for him he wasn't expecting our poker-face to be A+ ranked.
>>3378085Even though we can do that, she's an absolute garbage master. We can rewrite her personality, but not her intelligence. It's probably worth asking Caster what she would think about having Archer as her servant.>>3378129Yeah, we killed the guy who posed an immediate threat to our life.
>>3378158>As far as he was concerned it was a totally fair exchange.You say that like you knew him well enough to take him at his word when he said he wouldn't kill us.
>>3378158>"You resign from the war, become a member of Rider's crew via submission, and we use you until the end of the war."ftfy
Anyway, I kind of want to wake her up to give her the choice after having Caster give her a Geas that states "I will die if I attempt to summon my servant" or something.The ultimate sadistic choice.>"Here are your options, you can choose to be totally loyal to me, I kill you here, or Caster here turns you into a snake so you can writhe in the dirt for the rest of your pitifully short life."
>>3378159I mean, she's not bright, but for us to rule we must have loyal subjects, and how can a King have a more loyal subject than one who's only purpose is to be loyal?
>>3378181>"I will force Archer to kill himself, under threat of my life, if I attempt to summon my Servant"This is the specific Geass we'll be REQUIRED to apply before we wake her up.
>>3378194That won't work.We can also have a geas that knocks her out if she attempts to summon Archer too.That would be a very small force acting upon Archer to An Heroic Spirit.More general commands like PROTECT ME aren't very good to make, but it might push him over the edge if combined with KILL YOURSELF.Even if it doesn't it should stun him long enough for us to be able to kill him ourselves.
>>3378181The TRUE sadistic choice would be to rewire her such that she can't help but act outwardly like she's madly in love with Ogawara on the while retaining her actual personality on the inside, but it can't actually do anything to interfere. That way her consciousness has no choice but to watch as she slobbers over everything she hates and becomes a living embodiment of all her worst nightmares and Ogawara's fantasies.But I think we can make better, less objectively evil use of her than that.
>>3378180>"You resign from the war, become a member of Rider's crew via submission, and we use you until the end of the war."No, anon. That's not the deal Keiseki offered you at all. It literally was give up the war and we won't kill you. He specifically said "you can go on living however you please." No mention of you joining Rider's crew.
>>3378213That's fucking beautiful.Kirei tier suffering causing.Of course it's a little too evil and not too useful.
>>3378213>Turn her into Ogawara’s waifuFucking genius, this gets mummy full support after we have her seppuku Archer-san
>>3378192But if we make her loyal to us then we'd be obligated, as a ruler, to protect her like we do Matsuda, Truvi and Ogawara. Remember, "Et carita rex vivito populus."
>>3378227Oh, then I'm retarded for not reading back.
>>3378213Eh. Ogawara's at least decent looking. Thin, clear-skinned, androgynous enough to be a bishounen if he cleaned up his act. He just has awful social skills.If anything, rewiring Munahara into Ogawara's waifu might help him reform.
>>3378232That may be so, but what's the problem with protecting a loyal subject?Sure she may have had a few misdeeds in the past but we can set her on the path of true enlightenment.
>>3378213Perfect, a weird combination of Sadism and Compassion.>>3378242Not saying there's anything wrong with that, I'm just saying we can't dispose of her like trash if we do that.
>>3378238>If anything, rewiring Munahara into Ogawara's waifu might help him reform.Did my Kirei-tier plan just turn into a possible Compassion choice? If we just rewrite her completely so that she's not suffering, they could actually be a happy couple. Of course, Kikuko will be wired to be completely loyal to us (in a platonic way) by Caster, and Ogawara will love us forever for hooking him up with an IRL waifu.All we need to do now is plan how we handle Archer.
>>3378258I mean, that's fine isn't it?Disposing of her like trash won't be necessary, she'll live to serve us.She'll throw her own life away if it would benefit us.You could say that this garbage is self cleaning.The Ogawara thing is a little strange to do in character and I hope you guys aren't seriously considering it.
>>3377939>>[ ] Rewrite her personality into something more to your liking. (Absolute Loyalty towards Us and Caster, and a sense of friendship and loyalty (but not as strong as her loyalty to us) towards all of our other allies.)
A quick list >>Pros of turning Kikuko into Ogawara’s soulmate>Rewards a loyal and reasonably faithful ally of ours for feeding us and whatever else he’s done>Placates that ally, given that he was summoned to an anime and literally just cooks for the Mc and fucks around on computers>Frees Kikuko from her unfulfilling sadism and want of facile love from others>Matches Kikuko with someone who, in a differed game reality, could have possibly been the equal of the invincible and infallible Rushorou>Turns a useless THOT into a useful THOT>Is probably a net good overall>>Cons>If done immediately does not resolve the Archer issue>Is radically altering someone’s personality and magically inducing true love bad?Idk man, seems like a net win to me so long as we geas Archer out of existence first.
>>3378317Oh AND>If either Yumigawa or Caster dies of non natural causes, she will instantly kill herself.
>>3378330The one issue is that telling your servant that just happens to be a Greek Goddess that they are allowed to start fucking about with people's feelings and love miiiight not be a great idea.
>>3377939>[ ] Wake Kikuko up and have a conscious discussion.Might be too late to matter, but forcing her to change is just wrong guys. Let's let her wake up and dig her own grave.
>>3378361This makes me want to avoid it like the plague. I don't want Circe going around and brainwashing people for her amorous plots.
>>3378378Yeah, let's have a little talk with her. Let her think she can get out of it, for a little bit.
>>3378378Just waking her up, without any contingencies like a Geas, sounds lije a bad idea.
>>3378361I'm altering this to>>[ ] Rewrite her personality into something more to your liking. (Absolute Loyalty and Devotion towards Yumigawa and Caster, and a sense of friendship and loyalty (but not as strong as her loyalty to us) towards all of our other allies. Should Yumigawa or Caster die of non natural causes she will immediately attempt to kill the perpetrator and then herself.)The allies clause allows for Ogawara to attempt to make her fall in love with him but it doesn't do something as radical as forcing somebody to love someone else.We're on thin ice with Truvi as is and doing something so utterly inhuman as "haha, you love the nerd now" might just make our entire camp collapse.She'd know what was up and would tell the others.>>3378391We really don't have long.Archer is on the way.And waking her up ungeassed or anything is begging to be "ARCHER HELP!"d
>>3378391If she wakes up, she can use her remaining command spell. We need to keep her muted and keep her from asking Archer for help telepathically, too.
>>3378419Well, Archer is almost certainly on his way already. Waking her up is a bad idea. We should decide on what to do about Archer, and once that's through, then we can have a little chat.
>>3378399>>3377939This + we delete the sadism. I do suppose it’s the less creepy option....
>>3378433Alright yeah, deleting her sadism is a thing we should also include in our specifications.
>>3378448This edit offends me on many levels, and I would like to formally declare my opposition to its existence.
>>3378468Yeah, I'm a bit unpleased by the way the black background ate the outline in some places. I might fix that later.We are doing morally dubious things in a church though.
>>3378448I, as fellow anon, concur with >>3378468's stance.
How about we mind control Kikuko into thinking like this:As long as Archer is protecting me like I've ordered him to, I'm in danger, even if my command seals disappear.In order to truly be safe and no longer a target for other masters, I need to have no connection whatsoever to a servant in the grail war.I must order Archer to "protect me by killing yourself" after explaining this line of thought to him.Do you guys think this twisted logic would let us connect the first and last command spells as a two-stroke suicide command?After that, we can rewrite her personality and turn her into Ogawara's waifu.My only concern about rewriting her personality and trying to get her to control Archer is that she hasn't been doing that at all. She's been letting him call the shots as her protector, and he's not likely to start listening when she's had to use her command spells to make him listen before.>>3378448>Pictured: Yumigawa Rushorou, wearing his trophy from defeating Cid Ajisartous. (2004+15, colorized)
>>3378491Yeah but the Ogawara waifu plan is totally over the top and Truvi will probably convince everyone to jump ship because we're clearly insane.HERE'S A GIFT, IT'S A GIRL THAT TRIED TO KILL ME SO I ERASED HER PERSONALITY TO MAKE HER YOUR WAIFU.
Should we add a stipulation to remove the Geas after the War is over?
>>3378491>After that, we can rewrite her personality and turn her into Ogawara's waifu.Don't, it will convince Ogawara we're a psychopath.
>>3378514>>3378542Let's put the personality alteration aside for now, it's not as important imo.Is it a good plan to kill Archer?
I still think my loyalty rewrite plan is the best plan so far. The Ogawara plan is pretty fucking evil from an outsiders perspective.
>>3378559Yeah, fuck him.It was his own stupidity that got his master in this situation too.Haha, what an idiot.
>>3378559Yes. Fuck him. Would his abilities be useful if tamed? Sure. But I’m not going to try and tame the embodiment of the spirit of the Wild West. My next grand plan to Bind berserker to Rushorou preferably, with Truvi as a convenient backup plan
>>3378578Cont. [/spoiler] will get around the need for Archer as an obligatory second servant[/spoiler]
>>3378578>with Truvi as a convenient backup planYou sure she would accept Truvi as her Master?
>>3378593 She’s a berserker. Frankly, I’m surprised a probable non-magus can handle her at all.
>>3378559The best of plans.We should have Kikuko on a timer rather than implanting a kill command so Archer can't interpret killing us immediately as "protecting her": he has x time to kill himself or she kills herself.
>>3378598He can't, that's why she had a coffee date with the enemy.It looks like we're agreed that we should kill Archer. Am I correct in thinking that there are no objections to warping Kikuko's logic and having her explain her thoughts to Archer (also wired so she won't listen to his attempts at reason, obviously) to try to get him to An Heroic Spirit?We could also incorporate >>3378600 so that Archer has a limited amount of time to accept Kikuko's logic and protect her by suicide before she kills herself.
>>3378627I'm all for killing archer. I just dont want to do it in the way given; even though it might be the best course of action.
>>3378627I mean, if we go for absolute loyalty we can just say "when you see Archer, inform him that he has 2 minutes to kill himself before you kill yourself. Also use your command spell to order him to kill himself. Finish with "it was the only way they said wouldn't kill me by burning me from inside out""If Archer doesn't believe the jape she dies pointlessly in your method.
>>3378644The problem there is that Archer could find another way to "protect" her if it comes down to that. I don't know if you've ever seen Parasyte, but there's a scene early on where the parasite attached to the MC tells him that while he needs MC alive as a host to survive, in order to merely be alive MC doesn't technically need arms, legs, eyes, a tongue...All Archer has to do to get around the command is disable her so she can't kill herself.Archer has 2 minutes to do whatever the hell he wants after he lays eyes on Kikuko, and that also includes taking her, barreling through Caster's barrier and attacks like a madman with A rank magic resist, and taking us hostage to force Caster to speed-reverse the operation we did on Kikuko.
>>3378673No anon.We just have her say she's been cursed to die in two minutes.Not that she's going to kill herself.If the jape fails either way we either get absolutely nothingOr somebody totally loyal to us.Also, Caster is in her territory, we could just have her TP us again if it came to that.Hell she could remote teleport us away from him.
>>3378684She's an idiot compared to us but she's great at manipulating people's emotions.It's worth a shot, at least.
>>3378673>Archer has 2 minutes to do whatever the hell he wants after he lays eyes on KikukoSo don't give him two fucking minutes, give him three seconds or something.
>>3378705Yeah.If this was a game of Poker, we own the Casino.And the House. Always. Wins.
>>3378684>>3378705Overall, I like the basis of turning Kikuko into a time bomb that forces Archer to kill himself. Killer Queen has already touched that master!Let's make it a geas that will just outright cause her death if the conditions aren't met. That way there's no bluff for Archer to call and Archer won't be able to try to get around it by disabling her.Let's also reduce the timer since we want Archer to be forced into making a quick decision to kill himself with no other alternatives. Two minutes is also a lot of time for someone with the mobility of a Servant to rocket around the university and perhaps stumble on someone else at the university. Maybe 20-30 seconds at the absolute most.Let's also mind control Kikuko so that after she explains the predicament to Archer, she uses a second command spell to repeat her first command exactly. Since it'll be the second spell for that command, Archer have no choice but to obey despite his magic resistance, and since the condition on the command is "no matter what" it won't matter that Kikuko will technically not be her master anymore.The two keys here are to establish that the only way to protect Kikuko is for Archer to kill himself, and to then force Archer to protect her. I think we nail it with this plan.
>>3378713We can do all that with mind controlling her.AND with the mind control there's no chance of her thinking "hold on, he's probably going to kill me no matter what".Mind control is the cleanest method.
>>3378713Also, general commands are far weaker so even repeating the original command won't have the desired effect.
>>3378708I should also add that Archer isn't likely to be good at melee given that The Man With No Name is remembered as a gunslinger. We might be able to take him with assistance from Circe as long as we don't let him use his NPs.
>>3378728Would you kindly support my rewrite plan?
>>3378399Supporting, and we'll include the whole gambit to make Archer an hero
>>3378727I don't think "always keep me safe, no matter what" isn't as broad as it might seem. It's a clear order to set Archer's highest priority, without regard to (rather than encompassing a large number of) the conditions he may be in. And if Archer doesn't kill himself, Kikuko will die, so there's really no reason to let that last command spell go to waste.
>>3378742It's about as broad as you can possibly make a command outside of "obey me".
>>3378742Kikuko only dies if we use geas instead of mind controls and bluffs.Archer will have no reason to call the bluff either way.
>>3378746Then again, he's not resisting the Spell.In any case, if we made Kikuko use her last two Spells, he would be forced to act.We already know his A-Rank Magic Resistance can nullify one Command Spell, so we have to use both by default.
>>3378771She only has one spell left.
>>3378746At the very least, I think it will be a difficult command to misinterpret given the situation we intend to put Archer in.Do you at least agree that it's pointless to let the last command seal go to waste, so we should at least try to compound it with the other active command so that it has a chance to overcome Magic Resistance A? What do we have to lose?>>3378751I presume you want to keep the command spell - for what? If you're so certain Archer won't call the bluff, he'll die, the command spell will disappear, and we'll never get the chance to use it. I just don't see the benefit of trying to maintain it when the goal is to make it not matter anymore.>>3378771There's only one spell left. We have to try to compound it with another if we want to compel Archer to act.
>>3378775>There's only one spell left. We have to try to compound it with another if we want to compel Archer to act.Wait what nowDo it
>>3378775Read my plan again>loyalise Kikuko>have her confront Archer and feed him our bullshit >have her finish up by using her last command for the "kill yourself" order to make it even harder for Archer.If the plan doesn't work, at the end of the day we've got a loyal follower rather than a blasted corpse. Archer won't be able to fight when trying to resist a command spell either.
>>3378786>trying to resist a command spellThat's the problem: his Magic Resistance lets him lolnope a single Command Spell, so we have to reinforce the original command to keep Kikuko safe no matter what, and manipulate him into killing himself to save her.
>>3378786>Archer won't be able to fight when trying to resist a command spell either.But he WILL. That's EXACTLY what Magic Resistance A lets servants do. Servants with A-rank magic resistance can't be compelled by a single Command Spell. We went over this just earlier today >>3375629
>>3378793That original command is weak and vague.It also automatically compounds with a much stronger "Kill Yourself" if he believes that's the only way to keep her alive. Also they have to resist with every inch of their willpower, basically immobilizing them.
You two have almost the same plan. You both want to:>Confront Archer>Use Kikuko's last command spell to compel him to kill himself, with the threat that she will die if he doesn't do so within a certain amount of time.The only difference I'm seeing is that ID Lock wants Kikuko to actually die if Archer refuses, while tealanon wants to brainwash Kikuko into issuing the command falsely.ID-Lock, why do you feel it's necessary to make sure Kikuko dies if Archer refuses to kill himself?
>>3378804His Magic Resistance substitutes for willpower. There's no reason to think he can't ignore the new command and follow just the old one. We HAVE to do this ID's way for the Spell to do anything at all.
>>3378809My main concern isn't if Kikuko dies, it's the wording of the last command. It really doesn't matter to me if the bluff gets called. If the wording isn't that important either, then I'll support the plan we have and we can move on.
>>3378813No we don't. Look at Saber at the end of Zero.First command spell has her already lifting the thing above her head screaming in anguish for Kerry to stop.Resist doesn't mean ignore.
You know, all we have to do to make it seem genuine is to put a painful curse on her, make her genuinely believe she is going to die.
>>3378813>there's no reason to think he can't ignore the new command There's every reason to think that considering by their very nature, vague indefinite commands hold less binding power than single action commands.
>>3378819Alright then, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ask you each to restate your plans exactly. If you're concerned about the wording, I'm concerned about the fact that it seems to change slightly over the course of this argument.Tealanon, what exactly do you want Kikuko to tell Blondie?ID-Lock, what exactly are the terms of the geas you want to put on Kikuko?
>>3378835"Archer, I'm sorry. Caster has put a curse on me. They said that unless I order you to kill yourself, I'd die 40 seconds after I saw you by (painful thing (acid blood?)(suffocation?)(burning?)) So please, for my sake -Kill Yourself-"
>>3378835The geas in my plan is as follows:Once Archer and Kikuko meet, Kikuko must explain that she has 30 seconds to live and she can only be saved if Archer kills himself. Once the explanation is complete, the countdown will begin, and if Archer has not killed himself by the end then Kikuko will die.
>>3378870>>337887930 seconds is far too long.Make it 5.
>>3378835>>3378870I support this, Sweets. I don't consider requiring Kikuko's death to be of any particular importance, and I'm satisfied with this use of the command spell. Tealanon's plan accomplishes everything I want to accomplish and it's direct about it. My apologies for stalling the quest with pedantic argument.
>>3378870The -Kill Yourself- was a command spepo by the way.Bonus points if she's crying.
>>3378921>spepo*spellGod it's late.
>>3378917No problem. Discussion is always good, and today was already pretty slow for updates.If nobody else has problems with this plan, I'll start writing.
>>3378930Is this for brainwashing for loyalty in general or just commanding her to say that?
I still feel like placing a curse on her to make it more believable would bolster our odds of success.
>>3378933>>3378399 and >>3378870 seem to be the plan you folks have made.
I seem to be the only one who disagrees with the plan so. I will sit back and see how this goes. Best of luck. I hope I'm wrong.
>>3378935I support both the personality alteration and the Archer bluff. No complaints.>>3378934Just like with the Ogawara waifu plan, there's a time and a place to unleash our inner Kirei and this is neither.
>>3378934It seems unnecessary. We can just insert some memories of telling her about it.
>>3378942Kikuko is a practiced actor anyway, so she's got good odds.
>>3378939Do you have anything else? If there's another way I want to hear it>>3378941Once again, make it 5 secon
>>33789445 seconds is too short.Archer won't be able to do much even with 40 seconds.
>>337894440 seconds is better. Make it too short and we risk swift discovery of our bluff as he battles against the command. With it being drawn out, Kikuko can act all scared and hurt that he's willing to let her die and try to draw out ye olde western heroism before the time is up.
>>3378949Archer's a Servant, giving him 40 seconds is like giving a normal human a day.
>>3378939I did say I'd start writing "if nobody else has problems with this plan." What do you think Rushorou should do instead?
>>3378955It's 40 seconds, sure, but its 40 seconds of being near-paralyzed as he tries to resist a direct command spell.
>>3378952Maybe.I still think it should be shorter. 20 seconds?
>>3378960I think the Magic Resistance might mitigate that and I don't want to find out if it will. Also, he has to have nerves of steel to win all those duels
One other detail, do you want to issue this command remotely, or just prepare Kikuko to issue it the next time she sees Archer?
>>3378974Let's issue it remotely.Automatically she could start at an awkward time.Like Archer being in sight but out of earshot.
>>3378965Tealanon rightfully cited the end of Fate/Zero as a good example of how that goes down. Even with A-rank magic resist, Saber can hold off, but not completely disobey. When Kiritsugu uses his third command seal, she's already poised to strike the grail.>>3378974Prepare Kikuko for the next time she speaks face-to-face to Archer. If A Fistful of Dollars was any indication, even Archer has a sweet spot for seeing people get emotional in person.
>>3378981Actually remotely or specifying Face-to-Face works for me.
>>3378956I voted here. >>3378378But I know I'm in the minority there.
As your vision of Kikuko's memories fades, you return to the chapel. Caster stands behind you, and the girl remains unconscious on the marble table before you. You look down at her sleeping form with new contempt. Before, this girl was at least unknown, a mysterious actor in the War. Having learned of her background, you can see her now only as a trivial buffoon. The only redeeming factor in her is the soft beauty that lends a sense of innocence to her features, and even that advantage has been turned in her hands into a tool for the pursuit of frivolities. Still, even the trivial have their uses."Caster," you say, "I'd like you to change a few things about Munahara before we allow her to awaken. First, do away with her self-interest. Instead, let her become a willing slave, completely loyal to my cause. Implant in her the feeling that it is her only purpose in life to serve me in my pursuit of the grail. Similarly, though to a lesser extent, give her feelings of friendship and positivity toward those others who contribute to my efforts in the War.""Very well, Master," Caster says. Her expression darkens at the through of your taking a female servant into your confidence, but she offers no protest. As she lays a finger on Kikuko's temple an ornate network of golden filigree extends across the girl's head and face. It flares brightly for a moment, and then vanishes. "There," she says, "I've placed the compulsions deep in her subconscious. When she wakes up, she'll feel as if she's had an epiphany.""Excellent," you say, "now, there's one more thing I'd like you to add to Munahara's mind. A sort of hypnotic suggestion, or trigger. The next time she sees Archer closely enough to communicate, I want her to tell him that she's been cursed; that if he doesn't kill himself within 20 seconds of her declaration, she'll burst into flames and die. Then, using her last command spell, she'll order him to shoot himself.""What a lovely idea," Caster remarks, as she works her magic on Kikuko again. "I'd worried that we wouldn't be able to get around fighting him after my food failed to render him vulnerable to magic. This method should lack the problem presented by his resistance, though.""Hang on," you interject, "what was that about your food?"Caster chuckles in embarrassment, "Well, I'm hesitant to tell you about something that failed, Master. If you're curious, though, I can explain. When Archer and this girl ate with us to plan out the attack on Rider, I gave him enchanted food. I had hoped it would allow me to control him, but his magic resistance is still holding off the effects, even now. I just can't open a path for my magic into his head, unfortunately.""I see," you say. Caster wasn't exaggerating when she called it something that failed; evidently Archer's magic resistance truly is quite potent. How frustrating. You look down impatiently at Kikuko, waiting for her to awaken, but Caster's voice draws your attention away.
"After the alteration to the girl's mind," she explains, "it will be at least an hour or two before she's ready to return to consciousness. I suggest you find some other way to occupy your time while you wait."In that case, you'll...>[ ] Head down to the gymnasium for some training with Matsuda.>[ ] Go looking for Truvietianne. Maybe you can talk her out of her resentment?>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster. (Write in topics. The other Servants? Magecraft? Tool Construction? Something else?)>[ ] Take a stroll through the university gardens to kill time.>[ ] Go back to your room for a recuperative nap.>[ ] Find some other way to occupy your time. (Write in)
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster. (Write in topics. The other Servants? Magecraft? Tool Construction? Something else?)LEARN REINFORCEMENT
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster. (Write in topics. The other Servants? Magecraft? Tool Construction? Something else?)Ask her how she is feeling after the disaster we just went through, and use it to segway into what >>3379277said about learning some type of enhancement magic.Remember caster likes it when we talk to her first, and why not start on a sour subject and then move on to a more pleasant subject. However I'm not sure Caster would be able to teach us magecraft, due the changes in mana and magecraft/magic over the ages.
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster.Magecraft and it's capabilities, first and foremost, and whether or not she could teach us.
>>3379281We should probably ask about Tool Construction as well, like those gloves she gave us.
>>3379286That might have to wait. If she can teach us magecraft I assume that would take all of out time anyway.
>>3379281I suspect that as a Servant-level homunculus (we could probably take down Avenger if it wasn't for Verg Avesta) we might be a potent enough Mystery to learn Circe's Magecraft, but not Divine Words.
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster. (Write in topics. The other Servants? Magecraft? Tool Construction? Something else?)Ask about learning magecraft and acquiring internally accelerating grenade knives. Because of our inability to attack at range we were forced to negotiate with worthless scum.
At this point, every other Master left surviving will and should be terrified of us.We're basically some cross between Kirei and Kiritsugu. I think Kirei would be interested in meeting us if he were alive.Or.at least fourth war Kirei would be.We've turned our apathy into a desire to be victorious and rule!
>>3379338If we're Kirei, does that mean we have better compatibility with Gilgamesh than the average Master?
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster. Magecraft for Rushorou. Warning y’all now, she might not be interested in that kinda magic right now
If Archer tries to get Assassin's help to stop us, can we have Caster teleport the both of us to their apartment complex so we can kill or enslave them all as well?
>>3379373>spoilerI bet she'll get interested when we remind her that we'll probably have to fight Archer personally.She'll be even more motivated at the prospect of private lessons later, away from prying eyes>>3379374Assassin seemed to be more interested in protecting his (its?) Master than attacking, so he (it?) might be turtling till there's only one enemy Servant left.
SoHow DO we explain Kikuko to the others now?
>>3379525Another stray cat added to our team. I forget, does anyone aside from Truvi know that she’s the master of archer? If it’s only Truvi, we need to pull her aside and explain our plan (conveniently leaving the personality-editing out of it).
>>3379525Just tell them she's an enemy Master we're holding hostage.Or don't explain her, just keep her locked up in our sex dungeonholding cell.
>>3379529So just the "use her to kill off Archer" plan? Truvi might figure something out anyway and I doubt she'd care after the bitch caused the death of her servant.>>3379530We don't really need to keep her locked up.She's basically a slave now....Are we the bad guy?
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster. (Write in topics. The other Servants? Magecraft? Tool Construction? Something else?)Along with asking about reinforcement, we should ask caster if she can make any magical weapons or items that could aid us in any fights we have with other servants and masters
>>3379537>Are we the bad guy?No, we are number one.
So... We ARE going to give Kikuno her autonomy back after the War, right, or is this mindflip permanent?
>>3379556Why don't we ask her?Hahahahaha HAHAHAHAHAHA.I mean, if you really want to reverse it Caster could do so.But there's not much of a point.
>>3379566I will say however that she was unstable even before we programmed her.She was basically a school bully and she had no problems sacrificing others.Also she laughed at our death.
>>3379276>[ ] Stay here and discuss something else with Caster.Ask about reinforcement and making some gear to help us out against the remaining masters, servants, and Cid since he's totally the final boss.Does this mean the 100 was Caster trying to alter Archer's magic resistance? He's so fucked.>>3379556>We ARE going to give Kikuno her autonomy back after the War, rightHeh. Good one.>>3379566>>3379571The more I think about what Sweets has told us about Kikuko and Ogawara, it seems more and more like the Ogawara waifu plan might legitimately make them both better people (it'd also give Caster a sense of security). The question is whether we just play matchmaker now that's she's programmed to be amiable to our allies or whether we facilitate it with further mindfuckery.>>3379537>Are we the bad guy?No, no. This is just forced voluntary charity to make up for all her previous selfishness. Rushorou is merely showing her the light by taping her eyelids open and forcing her to stare into it.
>>3379578>the Ogawara waifu plan might legitimately make them both better peopleBut it would make us an utterly terrible person.That's something I'm trying to avoid. I want Yumigawa to be DIO, not Steely Dan.
>>3379593We could just try and play Matchmaker with the two instead.No magical love compulsion necessary.
>>3379596Yeah, that's better than forcing it.If it develops by itself it's not so bad.
>>3379593The love compulsion idea was just a joke suggestion I came up with when we were tossing around Kikuko torture. Sweets just so happened to toss out that it would encourage Ogawara to improve himself. If Kikuko were to legitimately fall in love, she might also not be as much of a bitch.We could just set them up together and let things run their course. We don't actually need to fuck with Kikuko's mind any more than we already have. As Rushorou, if we can improve our subordinates naturally, we may as well try.
>>3379329>as a Servant-level homunculusYou. Are. Not. A. Homunculus.>acquiring internally accelerating grenade knives. Just a little hint for you folks: the creation of magical items takes time and effort. How happy do you think Caster would be if you asked her to make a bunch of disposable projectiles for you?
>>3379625Can we ask her to make throwing knives with an enchantment to return to our hand instead?
>>3379625I'd prefer some armor that plays into the "fighting style" Matsuda, like a Cloth of sorts.
>>3379625Hey, I just want a bow.
>>3379529>does anyone aside from Truvi know that she’s the master of archer?Everyone at the university knows. You all had dinner together before the fight with Rider, remember?
>>3379630>*"fighting style" Matsuda's been teaching us,for pete's sake
>>3379637I’m retarded op, my apologies
>>3379625I like the idea of either no weapons or concealed weapons so that we seem like the typical less threatening Master.
>>3379646We could ask for a melee weapon in the style of Black Keys where the blade is made of magical energy when activated and the physical part is an easily-concealed handle.
>>3379649How about something like black keys that retract once they've hit their target and return to our hand?
Wait, why are we insisting upon ranged weaponry when we've been training in hand-to-hand combat this whole time?
>>3379666It's because they don't like interesting fight scenes.
>>3379666I'm more interested in close quarters personally
>>3379669I like interesting fights.I just don't want to get caught out again.People are expecting us to charge at them.Not many will expect a quick flick of our wrist sending a dagger through their skull.
>>3379666So we can go full DIO DAAA on enemies Next we'll ask for ZA WARUDO
>>3379671Remember how well that worked out for Assassin?
>>3379666>not today Satan Because you can’t even try to combat a servant in hand to hand, whereas you can throw a magic knoif at assassin while he’s fightinh caster to keep him on his toes.
>>3379671Also we can use bladed weapons in melee too.We can't karate chop heads off so this will have to do.
>>3379673Assassins are chumps.Everyone expects Assassin to throw knives at them.And if they actually manage to see Assassin they are totally calling their servant with a command spell anyway.
How about a melee weapon with a magically extending and retracting chain? We either use it for its intended melee purpose or throw it to get it stuck in/wrapped around someone. Then we can either yank them to us or fling them around like Medusa. We can even use it as a grappling hook for mobility. It's versatile, effective, and most importantly, cool.The only question is what weapon to attach to it.
>>3379674>Because you can’t even try to combat a servant in hand to hand, whereas you can throw a magic knoif at assassin while he’s fighting caster to keep him on his toes.Name one (1) weapon crafted by a God that didn't improve the user in any way. Also we would have to end up hoping Matsuda, or anyone on our side, knows how to throw knives or we'll be taking a long while to learn how.
>>3379685I'm joking about the naming part, please don't.
To compliment our close quarters fighting style maybe we could get some strength enhancing fist weapons and boots and some kind of body reinforcement or armor
Why not just ask for a homing + returning dagger or something for dealing with enemy masters?
>>3379281>use it to segway into whatJust a note, that is spelled segue. A segway is one of those two-wheeled things with a handle.
>>3379276So everyone wants to stay and talk to Caster, but you're split on the topic. From your suggestions, I've got:>[ ] Discuss Caster's feelings on the battle with Archer and Rider.>[ ] Ask her about magic, and if it would be possible for her to teach you to get some use out of your magic circuits. >[ ] Ask her to make you some kind of weapons or gear in order to enhance your personal fighting ability. (We can talk specifics more if you pick this one.)
>>3379719>implying he meant any different
>>3379726>[ ] Discuss Caster's feelings on the battle with Archer and Rider.Honestly, we're fine as is really.Knife/power enhancers can come later.Magecraft would be nice too but I kind of just want to talk about that massive fuckfest.
>>3377481>Was the command spell the Dead End or were both viable options?Using the command spell to flee was viable, but if you'd used it to attack, Caster would've been shot from behind.
>>3379732Yeah, I have to agree with this.>[ ] Discuss Caster's feelings on the battle with Archer and Rider.
>>3379625>"You're almost more like a homunculus than an ordinary human"It's easier than saying "Thing Which Circe Said Is A Bit Like A Homunculus But Is Actually Something Quite Different".That's Yumigawa's species now.I suggest you, the anons, copy that text and save it somewhere, because it and the Google Translated Latin name we give to the Association will be the only allowed names for Yumigawa other than "Yumigawa", "Rushorou" or any combination thereof.
>>3379726>[ ] Ask her about magic, and if it would be possible for her to teach you to get some use out of your magic circuits.NOW BEFORE ARCHER GETS HERE
>>3379726>[ ] Ask her about magic, and if it would be possible for her to teach you to get some use out of your magic circuits.
>>3379732Changing my vote to support this.Now that I think about it, we don't need to get stronger right this second. Caster just clutched basically our entire war, so we may as well have a chat about that.
>>3379732>>3379742>>3379758>Archer bursts in like a nightmarish Kool-aid Man and WRYYYYYYYYYYs everywhere
>>3379762Yeah, we should probably thank her for being our badass yandere waifu, maybe drop another unexpected hug she seemed to like that
>>3379744>It's easier than saying "Thing Which Circe Said Is A Bit Like A Homunculus But Is Actually Something Quite Different".Personally, I think of Yumigawa's new existence as a "Pseudo-Hero," since you've been modified to be more similar to an existence from the Age of Gods.At some point, I'm really going to have to have Caster sit you down and explain the whole conceptual/mundane divide and what the defining traits of your new existence are...
>>3379764Anon knowing how to use magecraft to reinforce ourselves or how to shoot piddly magecraft attacks won't change that.Caster's reinforcement is superior to anything we could ever manage. Also we don't have time to learn magecraft or have a magic item made if Archer will burst in anyway.
>>3379772>to be more similar to an existence from the Age of Gods.Wait, does that mean we could make our own NP, like Raw Anus or Gay Bulge?
>>3379772Yeah, I would like to find out where Things Which Circe Said Are A Bit Like A Homunculus But Are Actually Something Quite Different And May Be Pseudo-Heroes stand on the Lamarckian totem pole of the Nasuverse.If we become a Heroic Spirit will we have Man-made Hero (True)?
>>3379779Thanks for bringing me down, anon.
>>33797751+0.1 = 1.1
>>3379784Take heart, anon.If we do something truly epic we can get an NP out of it.That just means we have to become the Emperor or something.
>>3379797You're also making the assumption that our self reinforcement would stack with Caster's
>>3379726>[ ] Discuss Caster's feelings on the battle with Archer and Rider.
>>3379804You're making the assumption that Reinforcement is the only buff Circe can put on us.
>>3379819We're making the "assumption" that it would be thoroughly counter-intuitive to try to buff ourselves rather than have Caster do it for us in the event that archer Kool-aid mans the wall of the chapel before Kikuko wakes up. Why exactly do you want us to try to crash-course any sort of magic within an hour?
>>3379849Because I want to have an extra edge to deal with our worst enemy.Whether he kool-aids into the chapel or not is irrelevant. I know we'll end up fighting him, and I want Yumigawa to have SOMETHING other than kicking and punching.If you want him to die, then go ahead. I want Yumigawa to have at least one card up his sleeve if the Kikuko suicide gambit fails.
>>3379856Anon, learning magecraft isn't something you do in under an hour.Fuck we don't even know if our circuits are going to put us in paralyzing pain if we attempt to use them at all for the first time yet.You seem to be under the impression that learning how to like, reinforce a pencil, will aid us.Self reinforcement takes a long time to do safely and not explode your own limbs.Projection is worthless if you aren't made of swordsEverything else will be worthless because A rank magic resist.Caster can't teach us in time to learn anything and she can't create any magic items in such a short time either.
>>3379856That card being... harder punches and kicks? Archer has Magic Resistance A. Modern mages cannot harm him. While our existence is closer to an age-of-gods human rather than a modern one, we're not going to learn anything substantial in an hour, let alone something capable of harming the gun-toting Magic McNosell.
>>3379868>>3379869Do whatever you like, I'm going to sleep
>>3379726>[ ] Ask her to make you some kind of weapons or gear in order to enhance your personal fighting ability. (We can talk specifics more if you pick this one.)Our time is valuable, we can't waste it in a grail war
>>3379906>Yumigawa>actually wanting to know somebody's feelings >a waste of timeIt's a god damn breakthrough.
Not sure if this'll change any minds, but after giving it some thought I've decided that asking Caster about her feelings is a (Compassion) option and the other two are both (Duty) options.
>>3379906We don't NEARLY have as much time as you think to make weaponry effective against Servants.
>>3379934How much time would it actually take for Circe to magic us up some weapons? I'd imagine it's not as long as people think. And we have those gloves that help us learn faster.
>>3379906Listen, caring about worthless humans is beneath Rushorou. But our servant...
>>3379937We didn't ask her to prepare those gloves, remember. She did it on her own. Getting a cool weapon by request would probably take at least the better part of a day if we left her undisturbed.
>>3379943>caring about worthless humans is beneath RushorouFuck you, Matsuda is a bro and we escorted Truvi (mostly) out of the (minute) kindness of our hearts.
It's funny, I started off wanting to make Rushorou into a Seigi no Mikata.Now instead all I want is to BE VICTORIOUS AND RULE, HOW I DO IT DOESN'T MATTER!SHINEI, ARCHER!
>>3379948Matsuda is an exception
>>3379948Truvi is the designated backup waifu.
>>3379996What are the odds that Hitler-chan tries to steal us from Caster (as a master, romantically, or both) out of frustration with her own?
>>3380056I think she honors the whole master-servant relationship too much to do so of her own initiative. If pushed though, I think it’s possible
>>3380056I don't know but we could probably sustain both mana-wise. Additionally only 6 servants need to die to incarnate servants with the power of the grail.Cid has a spare.We could conquer the world with our superpowers as the Neo-Axis.
>>3380073>>3380077How do you think Berserker would react if we stormed her base, kidnapped/killed her master, and demanded that she contract with us? Based on the conversation she had, I don't think she would be averse to us seizing power from someone who's incompetent.Caster, on the other hand, is certain to have issues with the idea. Technically speaking, Rushorou wants another girl so badly that he's willing to actively pursue her. No way in hell that sits right with her.
>>3380151Lmao let’s just have Rushorou tell Caster he’s not into little girls. Berserker looks like she’s what, 14? It’ll be fiiinnnneeee....
>>3380151As long as it's clear to Caster that she's our number one and that while we might pursue a contract with Berserker (who happens to be female) it's out of utilitarianism and for the sake of our dream.It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the wish from 6 servants deaths can be fulfilled with Cid's servant too.Our return to the real world shall be triumphant!Two Servants, fully incarnated!Unless the grail has already been manjewd.
>>3380151>spoilerYou're speaking in hypotheticals, right?
>>3380160>let’s just have Rushorou tell Caster he’s not into little girls.Oh, so now you're going to lie to your Servant?
>>3380173Of course. I'm not committing to a plan that has a RUE of like B++ until we've thought reeeaaaaaal hard about it.>>3380168>Unless the grail has already been manjewd.>inb4 Cid's plan this whole time was to fulfill manjew's wishI wouldn't be surprised, considering how he selected his masters.>>3380160Somehow I don't think that excuse is going to fly with someone as yandere as Circe.
>>3380197>Cid's plan this whole time was to fulfill manjew's wishHe's not a total Kirei clone, you know. I did give him an original motivation.
>>3380211I don't trust smug priests as a rule of thumb.I guess we've finally found a difference to DIO.Opinion on catholic priests.
>>3380211I suspected as much, but I'm still going to make jokes about the parallels because Kirei is my favorite character from FSN and we really don't know much about Cid except that he gives off serious bad vibes.Learning almost nothing about Cid until near the end is also very similar Kirei. I think it's kinda funny, and I certainly don't mind that the big bad here draws inspiration from my favorite villain.
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>>3380234You okay, reatard?
>>3380245I am wood.stupid.
I'm running out of ideas for these.
>>3380192>Rushorou is into the jailbaitOh no no no
>>3380691I mean. Circe looks pretttyyy young herself my dude.Also look at the fucking size of those heels.
>>3380712I wonder if she’s 5’5” before or after the heels...
>>3380738>Berserker’s face after we bind her to Rushorou
>>3380738So yeah.Let's not tell her Rushorou is not into little girls.Because it's both a lie and I think Rushorou would prefer not being turned into a sparrow or woodpecker or something regardless.
>>3380738>Caster was a loli all alongHE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!
>>3380723After, by the way.
>>3380764I mean, you folks did figure out who she was back in thread 1; even posted a picture. I figured everyone was onboard the legal loli train.
>>3380771HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>>3380764>>3380779>QM manages to outwit entire playerbase>accidentallySuch skill.
>>3380771Those platforms are approx. 4 inches, man.>>3380779I'm okay with it, I just never looked at her feet because I'm not a footfag.
>>3380785Look at the size of these fucking heels though.
>>3380779Tbh I never really worried about the actual looks of Circe, given that I remember you describing her as a “young woman” or somesuch and the fact that she’s an Ancient Greek goddess and all. Meh, whatever. Legal lolicon all the way!
I guess >>3380738 overplays the loli aspect a bit. Realistically, I'd say >>3380806 is more or less what I've had in mind when writing.
Her stage 3 art, attached, is also good, and shows you what her staff looks like when she's using magic.
>>3380820That's only slightly short for a woman, but after 4-6" platforms...
>>3380820>5'5" when wearing fucking huge heels that seem to fluctuate in height because fuck consistent art amirite, I'm just gonna assume she can magically alter them to look taller.Unrelated but I think Pre-Augmentation Yumigawa probably kinda looked a little like picrelated.
>>3380830That was not all supposed to be greentext but alright.You get my point
>>3380832Yeah, she's about as tall as pic.Imagine the Napoleon Complex
>>3380847>Pictured: another person wearing platform shoes.
>>3380851Except we know her canon height (4'10").
>>3380851Also how are those platform shoes? They seem to be the same elevation as typical dress shoes, like up to 1 inch.
>>3380828Before those she's 4'11" -- 5'1", which is very petite for a modern woman but not quite 3' loli tier.>>3380830>fucking huge platformsIn that Stage 3 art it looks about 4-6".Plus she has a somewhat developed chest, making her more of a shortstack than a loli.why are pedos so desperate now, questbros
>>3380875Either she has ridiculously large feet or the red part is a platform. Also, most dress shoes don't have elevation across the board. The heel gets maybe a half-inch to an inch up, but the rest has a thin, flat sole.
>>3380877>shortstackHang on, doesn't that refer to someone short but, well, stacked? Caster is clearly quite slender.
>>3380886Take a look at those titsShe's not a literal shortstack by any means but she's also not flat as a board
>>3380877>shortstackShe's not even close to something like Midna, learn your words before you use them.
>>3380900Hence "slender". Circe has the ideal 'subtle curve without useless meat' chest.
>>3380904Look, it's the closest word I could think of at the moment, you niggerfaggot pedo.
Circe's FGO profile has her at 147cmIdk if that's before or after heels.She's short as fuck regardless. Tho idk how reliable that is for Sweets interpretation. >>3380914Calm down retard.
>>3380907Yeah, "shortstack" was a mistakeBut is there a word for a tiny woman who isn't strictly a loli but also isn't a shortstack?Ugh>>3380919I can't believe you would take the word "niggerfaggot" seriously, you smoothbrain
>>3380923>But is there a word for a tiny woman who isn't strictly a loli but also isn't a shortstack?Legal perfection?
>>3380923I think that’s what they call an adolescent
>>3380923Just say "petite" -like you did in the same post- next time.But that's beside the point, we were deciding to talk to Circe?
>>3380923You sound very angry over this choose your own adventure fanfiction based on a series about a Japanese VN where you fuck genderbent King Arthur.Calm down.>>3380930Sweets gets it.
>>3380941I'm more scared of another Happening if I'm being perfectly honest with you.At the moment I'm also shitposting
>>3380919But does that mean we can princess carry her? Or even manhandle her?
>>3380946You can't "ironically" shitpost anymore, anon; we've crashed right into a post-ironic age, where normalfags pollute the site and unironically believe the stuff that we joke about.
>>3380948147cm is 4'10"We have mild superhuman strength. >>3380952I resent your implications. I was just calling him out on being a nigger pre-emptively because I thought he was gonna go on a rant about drawings.
>>3380952Yeah, those were the good times. Back then you could shitpost and everyone knew it was shitposting.>>3380960Eh, you're free to like what you like.
>>3380946>scared of another Happeningscared of what now?
>>3381003You know, the thing.The rant.The one that killed Gulag
>>3381007I don’t think another ones gonna happen and if it did it wouldn’t stop sweets
>>3381007This is where Sweets dramatically reveals they orchestrated Gulag's death in order to take his place. And all of the thread responds with varying degrees of surprise.
>>3381015Yeah, but the fear is squirming in my heart>>3381021I can believe it. Sweets is apparently an insane rusemaster hell-bent on world domination using three owls and a rubber band, and I am shocked and outraged.
>leave for a bit>come back>Sweets revealed that we've all been duped>mfw Cid and Kikuko were just decoys to keep us from discovering the master plan>>3381021Sweets already outmaneuvered everyone in this thread. A single QM would be child's play.
>>3379719Thank you for correcting my spelling. (So we cant segway? But we can segue.)
Next we’re gonna learn Archer was just a bro who just wanted to eliminate THOTs from the planet. I don’t know what to believe in anymore. Truth can only be found with the perfection that is Yumigawa Rushorou. All other things are false
>>3381040>insane rusemasterOh, you're too kind.
>>3381052You can still segway if you wish.
>>3381058Fuck you, I'm leaving this quest forever and I'm locking the isekai escape hatch behind me
>>3381066>updates>wanting to actually progress the quest over achieving truth Peanut brain detected.
>>3381067Unfortunately for you.Killer QM has already touched that escape hatch.
>>3381057Is solipsism the only answer? And even then, can Rushorou even be solipsistic when his self is effectively a collection of the player's selves? Has Sweets outsmarted us so completely that we have no physical, psychological, or philosophical retreat?
>>3381063After some thought on the subject u will instead segue.
>>3381076All we have is the power of delusions and disbelief.
>>3381075>>3381081>Even the Kiraposting was calculatedOwari da.
>>3381080And shitposting. We always have that.
>>3381045>Players: we've all been duped!>I never set out to dupe anyone>There was a picture of Caster from the startI... I don't know what to say anymore...
>>3381076We think, therefore Rushorou is. Individually we are nothingburgers, so much text on a page arguing in favor of this meme or that ideal. Rushorou is our essences distilled by the man and the God Sweets; he is pure and the way.
>>3381090Maybe the quest was the retards we proved to be along the way.
>>3381090How could you trick us like this?
>>3381090We trusted you.
>>3381119>implying the Gae Bolg is effective against womendumb artist
"In that case," you say, "why don't we pass the time talking?" You take a seat on the edge of a pew to more comfortably face Caster. "How are you feeling after facing Archer and Rider? I know that was a very trying situation you went through for me."Caster flushes slightly at the show of concern, and shakes her head in vigorous denial, her wingtips twitching slightly. "Oh, not at all, Master! I may prefer to dispose of enemies peacefully, but when push comes to shove I can deal with a couple of petty thugs like those two with no trouble! They couldn't lay a finger on me," she boasts, laying a prideful hand to her chest. "As long as you keep me supplied with plenty of energy, Master," she continues, "it would take a god's assistance for one of those pathetic excuses for heroes to defeat me!"You suppress a chuckle at Caster's transparent pretense. However effective she may be in evaluating the abilities of others, your Servant clearly lets her pride get the better of her regarding her own power. "In that case," you say, a mischievous idea springing to mind, "I suppose my worries were groundless. I had planned to spend tonight nursing you back to health if you'd overtaxed yourself, but I can see you're just fine."Caster's face freezes in surprise, Suddenly, her posture wavers. She becomes unsteady on her feet, and begins to swoon. "Oh," she sighs, "I... this must be a delayed effect of, of using too much magic..."Not letting Caster play out her act, you hop to your feet and catch her about the waist, pulling her close with one hand and bringing her chin up to face you with the other. "Don't lie to me," you say softly, looking into her reddening face. "don't put up a strong front, or a weak one. Whether or not it's too much for you, I want to understand your real condition."A long moment of silence passes, her iridescent eyes on your red, the two of you feeling each other's heartbeats. Then she whispers "Thank you, Master." Reluctantly breaking eye-contact, she continues quietly, "I really am fine. None of their attacks penetrated my barriers, and I don't tire from magic use. If I went too far, you'd be the one to feel it; not me." You let her go, and she draws back. "Now," she continues in a more normal tone, "why don't we see what sort of shape our enemies are in?" With a snap of her fingers, Caster's golden scrying dish appears, and she sets in next to Kikuko. "Who would you like to check in on, Master?""Hmm..." you ponder, "given the situation, I'd like to...">[ ] "...observe Archer's state, see how close he is to attacking us.">[ ] "...take a look at Blackbeard's situation. Has he dissipated yet?">[ ] "...see what's become of Adelheid. She didn't appear at the battle with Archer and Rider, and it's been nagging at me.">[ ] "...look in on the building Assassin was guarding. Perhaps we can catch sight of him."
>>3381139>Take a look at BlackbeardAs much as I’d love to assume his death, I’d like to confirm it before confronting Archer.
>>3381139>[ ] "...observe Archer's state, see how close he is to attacking us."I also kind of want to know if Blackbeard is gone or not.And Berserker as well, actually. Damn.
>>3381139>[ ] "...take a look at Blackbeard's situation. Has he dissipated yet?"I'd love to believe we've gotten rid of him, but I want to make sure. He was tough as nails, so if he's still around we need to know.I'm curious about Berserker too, but I want to make sure that we don't get jumped by two angry Servants at once.
>>3381139>[ ] "...take a look at Blackbeard's situation. Has he dissipated yet?"I think we should let Circe address us by name, since she's given ours and all.
>>3381139>[ ] "...observe Archer's state, see how close he is to attacking us."
It was a trip being in the process of writing a romance scene while all you folks blew up about Caster not looking how you thought she did.
>>3381139>[ ] "...observe Archer's state, see how close he is to attacking us.">>3381164A legal teen is fine
>>3381160>oursI don't know how my mind slipped from "hers" to "ours".
>>3381164Oh no, I knew exactly how she looked from the start.I was just having fun.
>>3381164Just a bit of goofing around. I already knew how Caster looked, and I don't have a problem with it.
>>3381160Yeah I'd like to let her call us by name too.
And now, the comparison nobody asked for! Just how much as Rushorou changed? Now you know!
>>3381181>The Virgin Kaichou>The Chad Ultimate Lifeform
It's a good thing we killed Blackbeard's Master because his death myth could possibly net A+ rank battle continuation.
>>3381199Yeah...Pretty sure the little shit survived getting his throat ripped out somehow, now that you jinxed it.
>>3381201Haha.Maybe, but then we kicked his head square off his shoulders.
Are we talking about Rider or the Master?
>>3381205Rider's Master is the one we definitely killed. Rider is the one we're not sure we could kill.
>>3381205The Master. We didn't touch Rider -- that would've been suicidal.The only enemy Servant we might (and that's a big might) beat in melee is Archer, who's a gunslinger and therefore shouldn't have much melee skill. Cunt Eastwood's not remembered for his martial skill, after all.
>>3381181>Just wants to live a quiet life>Becomes attached to magic death ghost>Becomes a killer>Appearance changes completely>Now has dependents, a potential lover, and a whole host of mortal enemiesWe really are similar to Kira, aren't we?
>>3381209Yeah after caving his throat in we kicked his head and that tore it off.By Rider's sudden realization of the mana flow being cut we can tell he's truly dead.Does Rider have independent action? Hopefully not.He definitely doesn't have enough mana to stay manifested for long either.
>>3381211Aside from the fact that our goal is completely changed now, of course.>>3381209Even Archer is out there for us. He's fast as hell.
>>3381211>>Just wants to live a quiet lifeSee >>3374945
>>3381211Kira was a killer before the death ghost. And his death ghost wasn't the perfect waifu either.
>>3381217Yeah, we need Circe backing us up at all times to be able to compete with an enemy Servant at all.After we deal with Archer we have to learn Magecraft from Circe, even if it's exclusively Projection, Structural Analysis or Reinforcement.
>>3381211Your personality is basically his perfect opposite, though. Kira is fundamentally someone who enjoys living. He "just wants a quiet life," after all; killing is his problem, a set of uncontrollable urges inhibiting that happiness.For Rushorou, ordinary living gave him nothing. He derived no happiness from any aspect of life that he attempted, no matter how well he succeeded. Social life, academic pursuits, sports, hobbies, all gave him nothing.It's only since finding himself in mortal danger, constantly walking on the knife-edge between life and death, that he's finally begun to truly live and enjoy doing so.
>>3381223>implying we didn't kill our competitor to become kaichou>implying Killer Queen isn't Yoshikage's true waifu
>>3381223>Deadly Queen isn’t the bestest waifut. man who can’t appreciate pussy
>>3381217I do wonder how powerful we are when reinforced by Caster.Souichirou was (technically) a normal human and Medea buffed him to servant levels, so hers should at least be a ten times modifier but who knows?
"I think he's dead, but I don't know he's dead...">>3381146>>3381159>>3381160"When's Archer going to show up, anyway? I put all that work into my plan to kill him, and the guy's a no-show!">>3381149>>3381161>>3381170It'd a dead heat! The competitors are neck and neck! They say Archer has the superior agility, but in this race he just can't seem to pull ahead of Rider! Bob, I think this one might end up a photo-finish!
>>3381164I was surprised at how she looked, but it isn't a big deal for me.
>>3381021You know, the funny thing is that I did do a fair bit of orchestrating on the last thread. I was the person who suggested Yumigawa's name, and did a ton of write-ins.I didn't plan for Gulag to give up on it, though. It came as a real disappointment, to be frank. I just wish that anon hadn't lost his shit over the prospect of working with Berserker.
>>3381139>[ ] "...take a look at Blackbeard's situation. Has he dissipated yet?"We might also want to warn our friends about the possible threat, maybe by casters telepathy
>>3381267I honestly think that anon was worried about us romancing Berserker.But after all has been said and done; I'm glad you decided to restart the quest.
>>3381267Why do you think that anon hates lolicons so much? Did they get his little sister or something?
>>3381280It might have been that berserker was Hitler, and he just didn't like that idea.
>>3381287I think it was mostly because the anons were making terrible decisions because lolis oWo but I've already gone over it in an earlier thread.
>>3381355See, that rationale would make sense if the guy hadn't up and quit when it turned out that things didn't go badly. That attitude says to me that he had some other issue with it and was using "it's a bad idea" as an excuse.
>>3381365So that's one more for the "lolifags killed his little sister" angle.
"Given the situation," you say, "I'd like to take a look at what Blackbeard's doing. Have he and his ship disappeared yet?""Very well," Caster replies, and as she waves a hand over the water Blackbeard's image appears. He is not, surprisingly, aboard his ship. Instead, you recognize with a sinking feeling that his surroundings are a partially destroyed wreck of Assassin's apartment building. The place is burning, and the outer walls have been halfway obliterated. Rider himself is in the ground-floor lobby, the wreckage of the complex rising above him on all sides. He's battling Assassin, and both are ragged and breathing hard. the fight seems to have gone on for some time.As you watch, the fight comes to a brutal end. Assassin, having retreated to an upper floor, draws a bow and fires four arrows almost simultaneously. None reach their target, however. As Blackbeard charges upward, leaping from ledge to ledge, he contemptuously sweeps them away with a stroke of his cutlass. Then he's closed the distance. Assassin tries to escape into the shadows, but Blackbeard must have seen the trick before; he predicts Assassin's movement and fires a pistol into the shadowy Servant's gut. That buys him all the time he needs to finish the job, cutting Assassin's head from his shoulders.The sound of clapping emanates from the collapsing building's entrance, and Blackbeard turns to see Cid Ajisartous, with a bound man at his side. "Bravo, bravo," calls the priest, "I'd say you've more than earned your prize, Rider! Here, the last of Assassin's living charges. I will facilitate the contract between you two.""Oho! Good to see one of them made it! I'd be gettin' precious little energy out of this trip if I'd killed the lot of 'em." Blackbeard thunders his delight as he sheathes his blade and approaches the priest. As you watch, Ajisartous takes the right hands of Blackbeard and the prisoner, one in each hand. He says a short prayer, too softly for you to make out the words, and the jagged red pattern of bones you'd last seen on the corpse of Keiseki Saburou appears on the prisoner's hand."Now," the priest declares, "the binding is complete. May you fare better with this Master than your last, Servant Rider."Blackbeard's face splits into a wide grin at this pronouncement. "In that case," he rumbles, "I don't need you anymore, do I?" Almost too fast for you to follow, the cutlass flashes out of Blackbeard's sheath and into the priest's neck. When it arrives, however, the space is empty. Cid Ajisartous had simply vanished. "Tch." Blackbeard clicks his tongue in annoyance before cutting the blonde man's bonds and helping him to his feet. "Puttin' aside that worthless slave o' god," he says amiably, "looks like ye're my new first mate, huh? Look forward to workin' with ye. I'm Captain Edward Teach, but most call me Blackbeard."
"Yes," the man drawls, massaging life into his freed limbs, "I've heard of you. Plenty, in fact, being a North Carolina boy myself. Jack DeLancey's the name. The Greek's already told me how this war works; just three enemies left, right?" As he speaks, you examine the newly minted Master. He's tall and broad, in his late twenties, with the body of an American football player; all muscle, straining at the confines of the slacks and navy polo he wears. Short blonde hair tops a conventionally handsome, clean-shaven face marred only by an old break in his nose."Well now, this is a pleasant surprise, Jack," Blackbeard replies, giving DeLancey a heavy clap on the back, "I was thinkin' all those cooped up here were spineless cowards with no fight in 'em. You don't seem that type."Having finished stretching his arms, DeLancey moves on to cracking his neck as he replies. "Frankly, it was about a fifty-fifty split. That bitch that'd got Assassin servin' her whims collected a few like-minded lily-livers, and the rest of us were told to go 'long or get an arrow in the back. She wasn't much for a straight fight, but she sure was happy to threaten death to those that'd go 'gainst her. Now me, I don't mind doin' my part to get home, so I'd have to say I'm pretty glad things turned out the way they did. Now," he says, grinning up at the massive Servant, "I'm sure you've got your ship around, right? Let's go.""Dispel the image," you tell Caster, unwilling to watch any more. "It looks like killing Keiseki was for nothing. We'll have to come up with a new plan for Rider as soon as Archer is dealt with." You're seething, and sure it's coming out in your voice, but you can't keep it level. "Damn!" you explode, "What the hell was that fight for, if Rider can just go and find a new Master whenever he pleases?""Munya~" Your outburst is interrupted by the sound of Kikuko finally rising towards consciousness. As she sits up and looks around, an expression of confusion spreads across her features. "Huh...?" she says groggily, "what's... going on? Where is this?">[ ] Choke back your anger to answer her question, explaining that you captured and took her here as a prisoner after the battle. (Duty)>[ ] Tell Caster to deal with the girl and storm off to find something else to do in the university. You need to take your mind off of your frustrations now, and dealing with this idiot isn't going to help. (Pride)>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
>>3381443>[ ] Choke back your anger to answer her question, explaining that you captured and took her here as a prisoner after the battle. (Duty)
>>3381443>[ ] Choke back your anger to answer her question, explaining that you captured and took her here as a prisoner after the battle. (Duty)God fucking dammit, Cid, you Greek Kotomine motherfucker. I say we turn him into a pig.
>>3381473I say we do worse then a pig, also shit; I was hoping rider was going to die. We have so many problems to deal with.
Rider and that snake Ajisartous will die by our (or Berserker's) hand.Oh well.This time we can mock Rider about how worthless he was at protecting his last Master.Also mock how foolish they were to fall into our trap (this is where we reveal loyal Kikuko in a sort of HAHA SHE WORKED FOR ME ALL ALONG, even if it's a lie).Even if we aren't the ultimate keikaku Master, they don't need to know that. Also Archer might be functionally immortal now.We'll have to alter our plans, how annoying.
>>3381443>[ ] Choke back your anger to answer her question, explaining that you captured and took her here as a prisoner after the battle. (Duty)And after we did our damndest to keep innocents out of this, too. Fuck knives, I want a Cloth from Circe so i can personally kill Blackbeard myself.>>3381548>Also Archer might be functionally immortal now.>We'll have to alter our plans, how annoying.Hm?
>>3381548I'll allow Adelheid to kill Blackbeard, but Cid will be transformed into a cow and snuck into a dairy farm.
>>3381552Archer can survive for a week without a Master and apparently Cid was keeping those people as reserve Masters.
>>3381552Well, if he's "served" on Rider's ship we won't be able to kill him.I can't remember if he has or not.The fact he was listed as an enemy is a good sign thoughNot listed as an enemy by Rider himself though.Hmm
>>3381553No no, a cow is too good.Let's transform him into a sapient leech and throw him into a swamp.
>>3381557>and sneak him into a dairy farmThere's a reason I mentioned that: Yumigawa's master plan for world domination.Soon all of Japan will be drinking Cid's milk, and then we enact Phase II of the master plan: Circe uses a command word to instantly enslave everyone who ever drank the milk, using the conceptual connection they have with Cid.Phase III: We make every cow in Japan a carrier for our mind-controlling Magecraft and export in bulk.Phase IV: We eliminate all lactose-intolerant humans, ensuring that everyone in human civilization is under our control -- thus enslaving Alaya itself to our will. We go off and kill all the DAAs and other nasty beasties, and send seven Counter Guardians to hold down Primate Murder forever at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.Phase V: Be victorious and rule. WRYYYYYYYY with glee. Give Circe fifteen kids.
>>3381548Oh and you know what else will be fun"Thanks for taking the time to eliminate Assassin for me. Whilst I could've easily done it myself with Caster, I prefer leaving the dirty work to brutes like yourself. Killing all those non-combatants would've left a bad taste in my mouth, you know?"I want to taunt the fuck out of this retard.I want him thinking his every action was expected. I want him to know his victory is an ephemeral dream, being blown away like smoke in the wind.
>>3381570>Cid's milkYou lost me right about here.
>>3381572Speaking non-memely, I would rather sneak him into a slaughterhouse and then burn the meat so nobody ever has to eat it.
>>3381570>fifteen kidsNow that's a fairly low number considering I also want us to attain eternal life.Also all of our kids would probably be demigods too.Because, y'know, Circe.Bonus points in that we're also similar to an Age of Gods human. >90 years later>Gilgamesh is summoned by a last ditch effort of the Mage Association to stop us>Age of Gods tier humans everywhere>"YES, THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.">he just fucks off
>>3381576Hmm, you've convinced me. 15000000 kids it is! Unfortunately they can't be demigods because Circe's not a God anymore
>>3381578You can't stop me! They'll be demigods yet!It is time to restart the Age of Gods.
Wait, can we even impregnate Circe as a figment of the Grail?If we DO impregnate her, does that mean we just impregnated the Grail?
>>3381580No anon we need to incarnate her first.If Souichirou can have a kid with UNNAMED AND UNSEEN GREEK WOMEN (totally Medea) then nothing will stop us
>>3381580Angry Mantube is SO seduced. Nobody can resist Yumigawa's insufferable egocharming confidence and psychoticroguish smile.
>>3381581>women*woman Souichirou is a loyal husband.
>>3381583There were clones involved. Souichirou's kinkier than you would imagine looking at him.
>>3381582>spoilersThis is why we should invest in Compassion.
>that moment when you realise Rushorou's kids are going to have the pointy elf earsYesss
>>3381585We'll have lots of opportunities while Kikuko's here.
>>3381443>[ ] Choke back your anger to answer her question, explaining that you captured and took her here as a prisoner after the battle. (Duty)>tall and broad, in his late twenties, with the body of an American football player; all muscleLooks like meat’s back on the menu boys!
>>3381598Honestly I can't wait to tear his arms off.Also can we appreciate how fucking lucky Rushorou truly is?>becomes an existence similar to a human from the age of gods>has a fuck ton of magic circuits >summons a magus from the age of gods>seduces her accidentally.
>>3381598>>3381601I would much prefer killing Rider and leaving that man alive afterwards.
>>3381601>LuckyThis was all predestined. Fate chose him as it’s champion.
>>3381604>Kill RiderYep. Totally. Not like his stats are super busted and Caster isn’t meant to straight up take on other servants in the first place.
>>3381606I said that I would prefer, not that it is optimal.
>>3381601>>3381614It doesn't matter if he was chosen by fate.This world remembers only the results.
>>3381606Besides, we could always pull a Souchirou, especially with our Caster being a master weaponsmith.
>>3381626>Caster being a master weaponsmith???no?She could make weapons sure but she is by no means a master weaponsmith.
>>3381628I was about to say she was no Hephaestus... I just want to win by a method other than killing/controlling the Master.
>>3381638Then that requires we let Hitler-chan in on our plans of World Domination and go after their Master, if only to rip away their command spells.I'm sure we could go half and half, they can have the West and we take the East.
>>3381641I don't know, how can we be the ruler of the world if we have only HALF of the world? Are we going to declare Hitler-chan's half to no longer be Earth? Is her side going to be Gaia and ours Alaya?As much as I regret to say it, Hitler-chan may have to go.
>>3381650It's fine, all we need is 50.1 percent ownership of the world, we can probably negotiate that.Like stocks in a company.Also if we win this war taking over will be fairly easy.>just continually break into billionaires and high ranking politicians houses and rewrite them for absolute loyalty >see if we can use this to put magic chemicals in the water for a minor charm on people who might otherwise resist our enlightened rule.
>>3381657I still worry about loyalty issues, since I don't think you'll agree to subvert Hitler-chan.
>>3381443>[ ] Choke back your anger to answer her question, explaining that you captured and took her here as a prisoner after the battle. (Duty)>Jack doesn't mind the killing and is in it to win it with RiderHE'S FAIR GAME, BOYS
>>3381666Forgot my hat.
>>3381666AH AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THA BEGINNIN'A WABBIT SEASON, AND SATAN 'ERE WILL CUT THA CORD
>>3381661I doubt we'll have to.I hope.Also I don't have confidence in Caster's brainwashing being able to get around Madness Enhancement EX.Alternatively we could go for joint rulership.Us as King and she can be Prime Minister or President or whatever.Our brainwash plan is a viable method to take over the world too.
For the Keiseki negotiationsYou try to run me throughHold onThink againDon't you knowWhat you're startingBut... you sure ain't got a clueHow badThis will goDon't you knowKnow my art(Art of war)And as you look to the horizonNot a cloudBut then stormy weather's caught you coldSeems like it crept up out of nowhereAll aroundYou it's not quite what you foretoldYou'll never see it comingYou'll see that my mind is too fast for eyesYou're done inBy the time it's hit you, your last surprise!
>>3381698No please Stop that.It's a catchy song dammit.
>>3381657>Wanting to focus on the mundane world instead of dealing with the moonlit world's organizations. Man, you're going to have some real trouble taking over like that.
>>3381840I'm sure mass surveillance and drone strikes will get us pretty far regardless.
>>3381840Listen, we have several plans for that.>Plan A: Become a respected Magician using the Third Magic and rise to the position of Director by defeating Zelretch in 7D Chess, except we were playing Strip Poker all along>Plan B: Subvert Atlas by outcaking their best planners, become Head of Atlas>Plan C: Release Lorelei Barthomeloi's repressed sexual tension
>>3381845>wanting to be a posterboy for totalitarian rule>not wanting to be the benevolent leader of a nation that effectively moderates itself, directing them to a greater cause, through sheer charisma.
>>3381855>>Plan C: Release Lorelei Barthomeloi's repressed sexual tensionThis will never happen.
>>3381855>rise to the position of Director by defeating Zelretch in 7D Chess, except we were playing Strip Poker all along>by defeating Zelretch>defeating ZelretchI guess now I know how this quest ends.
>>3381870>I guess now I know how this quest ends.By become daddy Zelretch's uke? uwu
>>3381856>wanting to leave dickbag magi and vampires roaming about. The vast majority of them deserve to be dealt with with extreme prejudice. Fucking Atrum Galliasta and his kidnap sacrifice bullshit are a prime example of people that will be getting fucked by a missile strike. And if they don't learn their lesson quick we can just order a MOAB on the Clocktower or something. >>3381870I for one don't support fucking with the guy who can manipulate parallel dimensions, has infinite mana reserves and to top it all off is an incredibly powerful Dead Apostle.HE FUCKING BEAT THE MOON IN A FIGHT.
>>3381868You underestimate Yumigawa.
>>3381878You underestimate Circe.
>>3381875>Fucking Atrum Galliasta and his kidnap sacrifice bullshit are a prime example of people that will be getting fucked by a missile strike. >And if they don't learn their lesson quick we can just order a MOAB on the Clocktower or something.Oh man, you are so fucked after the Grail War it's hilarious. I can't believe you want to use mundane weapons against the clock tower.
>>3381879Yeah? W-well... you, you overestimate Kikuko! Yeah, that's right!
>>3381875Yeah you have to understand that we ain't shit, in the grand scheme of things unless we somehow -by SOME miracle- we learn the Grail's true purpose.
>>3381883Even then... which is why I'm telling you folks to invest in Compassion.
>>3381883Pretty sure the chances are zero given that only the founding families are supposed to know. Then again, we're an Einzbern Pseudo-Hero -- who knows what our DNA could do to the Grail? And would we ever use the real function? It would require us to kill either Circe or Extra Assassin. Yeah, we need to kill Cid as soon as possible
>>3381881We kinda did, considering one of our two theories was that she was a nefarious Dead Apostle out for blood.
>>3381880Fuck it.It's a shame that it had to come to this but it's time to target the Clock Tower with the planets entire nuclear arsenal.Or we can try our hand at biological warfare.Biological warfare actually might work.These plans are in the first stages anyway.
>>3381890Listen, we need to summon Oppenheimer and use HIS nuclear arsenal instead.
>>3381887The root is for plebs anyway. True Magic is cheating.Though it would be pretty neat.>>3381892I like your thinking!
>>3381895But both of the anons you replied to are me. Agreed, the Grail is a cheaty method. We should do it like the Buddha did.
World Domination is hard to plan when there's an assload of bullshit that could easily stop us.Fuck, we don't even know if the 5th war happened and whether or not Shirou will be an issue with his bullshit powers.Fucking god forbid it's UBW Good, then we're extra fucked. I mean, we can safely say Zelretch wont be giving a fuck at least.Probably.
>>3381918>I mean, we can safely say Zelretch wont be giving a fuck at least.>Probably.Unless we're literally 3rd Magic incarnate, or something of equal value.
>>3381924>3rd Magic incarnatehoo boy
>>3381924Which we're probably not, so phew.
Maybe the real world conquest was the friends we made along the way.
>>3381932If by "friend" you mean "brainwashed worshipper", sure.
>>3381936>implying Matsuda isn't our bro>implying we aren't at least amiable with OgawaraOh shit, nigger, what are you doing?
>our newfound malice and sociopathy is a result of Manjew touching us in our sleep
>>3381938Not them, stupid, they're chums.
>>3381970Yes, anon, newfound; we were just apathetic and hiding our cynicism before.
Becoming powerful through magical means is way more realistic and interesting than this weird other plan you guys have.
>our newfound caring and love (for Circe) is a result of Circe touching us in our sleep
>>3381989And I, Anon, am perfectly fine with that
>>3381986Yeah probably. We've barely even begun to tap into our potential.
>>3381986We're just meming, we're not serious. Or are we?>>3381989>implying she's restraining herself to touching
>>3381992Circe cooking for you!Circe waiting for you to come home!Circe heavily breathing while scrying on you!Circe masturbating while you sleep!Circe hoping that bitch doesn't touch you!Circe praying she "runs out" of mana!Circe implanting wet dreams into your mind!Circe researching bondage, among other things, on the computers!Circe preparing to rape you!
>>3382003Recruiting Berserker is going to open a right nasty can of worms, isn't it?
>>3382003The only thing better than a yandere is a yandere super-mage who can turn you into a yandere as well
>>3382015Yeah, it would.
>>3382015>imagePlanning to follow in Orion's footsteps, huh?
>>3382018Well if Circe wanted to do that to us, I'm not sure we could stop her.
>>3382003"A Fistful of Dollars"
>>3382017>wouldRider's not dead. It's not so much "would" as it is "will.">>3382018I wouldn't call it the plan, but it's a frightfully real possibility.
>>3382023I mean, we could if we got true magic. Maybe.I'd much prefer to just use the grail to incarnate Circe though.Berserker too, if they survive and are trustable.If Berserker isn't either of these things then root diving could be fun.Remember not to touch it though.
>>3382033Luckily, Circe can't imagine Berserker as a romantic rival. Right?
>>3382034The point of reaching the Root is to touch it, though. It's going in that you don't want to do.
>>3382040We served her coffee and she put her face an inch away from ours, anon.
>>3382042No.You explicitly do not want to touch it.You want to stare at it and GTFO.Touching it will fuck your shit right up.Magi are just delusional and think they can touch it for ultimate super god powers.
>>3382040...I don't know where you got that idea, but I highly recommend you review the coffee date with Berserker as well as Caster's reactions to enslaving Kikuko and talking to Truvi first thing in the morning and this >>3380192 post.I'm pretty sure the only reason she gave us a pass on the date with Berserker is because she assumed that, since Berserker was an enemy, we were trying to manipulate Berserker into being an easier target. The second we mention that we want to make Berserker our servant, bad things will happen.
>>3382067Well this is a quandry.We probably need Hitler-chan to help us beat Rider.But we also need Circe not to turn us into a woodpecker.Luckily we still have the >"don't call me Master">kissu>"I love you">mana transfer >proposeCards unused, so we should be able to pull through. Also we could just uh...Y'know, mindslave Berserker's Master.
>>3382080You think Berserker is going to settle for leaving her chained to a fourth-rate dumpster fire of a master when she can instead be contracted to the only person she's acknowledged of being worthy of the title? And this person also happens to be practically dripping with magical energy?It'd probably be in our best interest, too. Odds are her already high parameters will rise significantly when her master has a ton more magical energy and circuits than an average human.
>>3382102Well, we better go find Circe some flowers named after her because convincing her of the benefits of taking an attractive girl that was practically trying to seduce us on board as our second servant will NOT be easy.Not unless we ask Circe to marry us or something.
>>3382102Man, I cannot wait for you folks to meet the Master of Berserker.
>>3382155What, is he actually talented and shit? Figures.....
>>3382067>since Berserker was an enemy, we were trying to manipulate Berserker into being an easier target.I'll give you some free OOC info, since Circe is unlikely to explain this to Rushorou herself. She basically saw that date as being a clever way to get out of danger, similar to the way Odysseus often escaped from enemies more powerful than himself. Her perception of the scene was:>Master hears singing, unwisely goes to investigate. (affection down, foolish)>Discovers Berserker. At this point, he's in her power, with no way to fight that doesn't end in being killed.>Consequently, plays along with the dangerous girl until she leaves on her own in order to safeguard his life. (affection up, heroic wiliness)
>>3382155You're scaring me, Sweets.
>>3382155Good wait or bad wait?
>>3382205Well for Hitler to actually hate their master they would have to have a totally incompatible world view with themOr y'know, be jewish.I do wonder...
>>3382155Goddammit. My money's on him being one of those grizzled middle-aged men who likes to drink away the problems of a troubled life but is actually a badass veteran fighter whenever he bothers to get off his ass.There's always something, isn't there?>>3382215He might be black. Hitler would hate that, too. Or he might be both. Who knows at this stage?
>>3382227I'm just hoping they aren't some dumb Seigi no Mikata wannabe. Their refusal to get involved in the war is dampening that fear though. I don't want to kill or fuck with somebody who isn't a prick.
>>3382231I personally want to kill every Master, and the only one I had any worries about was Truvi. And that’s not even a problem anymore! Too bad we couldn’t get assassin...
>>3382286Why so bloodthirsty?...I wonder how many Circe points we have.
>>3382301>Why so bloodthirsty Rushorou must be tested in combat, and be forged into a true Hero Ruler by the rites of blood.
>>3382301Circe is yandere, so the correct answer would be; we have more then enough.
>>3382324How can you be a Hero without armor?Seriously, let's get some battle armor; Circe can buff us with Reinforcement.
>>3382346There's never enough.
>>3382352We need to restart our run so we can 100% Circe.
>>3382350Ned Kelly when?
>>3382384>He doesn’t want full plate with with a sick sallet
>>3382424>He doesn't want to dress up as a Hoplite
>>3382430Actually, maybe Circe could magic up some war-paint with armour-like qualities. And then she could apply it.
>>3382446Sounds good to me.
>>3382553You're a bright lad anon.You figure it out.
>>3382556Is it because it's easy to conceal?Nah, you just wanna fug Circe.
>>3382571To be honest it would be easy to conceal. And would probably look pretty cool too.
>>3382584Finally, something I do wonder about is that’s Circe’s skill is “Magic TOOL Creation”. Frankly, I’m not sure magicking up things like weapons or armor is purely in that domain. War paint with protective magical qualities on the other hand, seems much more firmly in that realm of “impossibilities”.
>>3382588If we wanted war paint, I think we should've went the woad leaf route.
Caster isn't always around to reinforce us right?What if we asked if she could make like a tattoo or something that reinforces us when we flow mana through it?Just a thought.Not sure if it's possible.