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ASOIAF Reincarnation Quest: A Male Powder Fantasy, Thread #20


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12th month of 289 AC

Armament – Pair of Flintlock pistols, an Imperial Sabre, Mastercrafted Flintlock Rifle
Protection – Commissar's Uniform with a Proofed Breastplate
Treasury - 2238 Gold Dragons

On the last thread we reached Winterfell where you left a lasting impression on the Master-at-Arms of Winterfell by showing him how to use a Flintlock pistol and a musket. Of course, this was but a prelude for the main attraction you had planned in order to secure the loan from Winterfell.

Though initially skeptical on offering a loan to your cause, the fact that the Crown had shown interest in your wares, along with well constructed arguments over the variety of uses the black powder had, he was ultimately convinced in giving you a loan of 5000 Gold dragons. This loan must of course be paid within 10 years in double. This however is mitigated by the fact that you need not necessarily pay for it in gold.

Before granting you the loan however, he insisted you'd display that you were not boasting of the capabilities of the product you were trying to sell. Ultimately the display of a horseborne driveby made by pistol cavalry, the following display of musketry a swivel gun usage as well as blowing up a huge boulder with a series of black powder charges going off at the same time until finally finishing the evening with fireworks managed to convince Lord Eddard Stark that you're a man of your word, for better or for worse.

This rather flagrant display of gunnery, demolition work and spectacular works of fire in the sky however was not unnoticed by the other Northerners, again for better or for worse. You had certainly made them notice you, but they still weren't coming up to talk with you, so during the hunt you took the initiative.

With the ancient art of eeny-meeny-miny-moe, you ended up picking up a random hunting group of the guests of House Stark, leading you to introduce yourself to Lord Medger of House Cerwyn, who though confused by this abrupt approach by you, he accepted you into his bear hunt party.

After some smalltalk, you ended up finding bear tracks and leaving many of your men behind in order to track your quarry. Thanks to Lord Medger's expert tracking, you located the animal far before it could notice you and through your expert marksmanship, the animal was dead far before it could realize what was happening. Unfortunately, the she-bear had cubs...
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>Kill the cubs. It's the merciful thing to do.

[1/2]

"Prospects of these screaming babes look bleak. It is either a swift death now or an excruciating one later."
"They could be raised in captivity until they're adults until they're large enough to kill for a feast or their pelts."
"True, but life in Captivity, a decade or so eating and shitting in a cage until you finally are killed or worse, made to fight for the amusement of bloodthirsty peasants? I'll send them to their mother and that will be that."
Lord Medger nods
"As you will."
"Right, give it here."
You hold the cub by the throat firmly before thrusting your hunting knife to it's heart without hesitation. It struggles in pain and gives a few last panicked screams before finally going silent.
"Next one."
You repeat the deed and wipe your knife and hands off the blood before returning the blade to it's sheathe.
"Nasty bit of business."
He pats you on the shoulder.
"All we can do now is not waste anything."
You nod
"Quite so. Let's haul the critters back so we can butcher them. I take it you've done this before?"
"Yes, many times."
"Then might I ask you and your men to instruct us in the process?"
"It would be my honor Lord Tallon. Would you in turn mind returning the favor in kind?"
"Depends what the favor is."
"I'd like to try and take down a bear as you did."
"Very well, I did bring an extra musket so I'll instruct you same as with Ser Roderik Cassel. It will be fast to learn, but as with any other weapon, mastery will take it's own time."

The Men carried the mother bear on pair of branches as you returned to the small campsite by the riverside. Protected by palisades, it was a small dugout with space for a campfire and barely enough space for you and your men unlike the main hunting camp which you set out from.

"Good catch milords! The Pelt is in pristine condition."
"We'll have Lord Tallon to thank for this kill. He took it down cleanly without a fight."
"Excellent work! We'll get to skinning and dismantling your prize immediately."
"Good, make sure to ready the fire for the heart and some fat to cook it in. It's tradition here in the North that the hunter that kills a bear eats its heart and sharing it is an act of bonding among hunters."
"I am most certainly not going to say no for a hearty meal after that much walking."
"There will be plenty for us to eat tonight. The Hunter's privilege is to feast on the parts which would never make it to the castle without spoiling."

>Looks like Lucan isn't a great hunter
>13
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"Milords, we've found some other bear tracks whilst you were gone. Fresh ones."
Medger nods
"Could be the She-bear's mate. Fortune is with us. Seems like were not relocating so soon after all."
"Perhaps you shall get a chance to bag a bear of your own."
"Mayhaps, but it is too late to go for another hunt today. The Wolves own the night here and I'd rather not be caught out of the camp when it's dark."
"Fair point. Besides, if luck truly is with us, it might show up for food and water during the day anyhow."


Come evening, with the animal butchered and the bear sizzling in it's own fat, time came to split the heart.

>How do you wanna share the hearts?
>[Share hearts of the cubs Y/N]

>[Split the heart(s) in half with Lord Medger and share your half with your men.]
>[Only share with those who took part in the actual hunt for the animal.]
>[Take a bite of each heart and pass it along until it is consumed]
>[Write-in]
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>>3057565
>Not raising bear cavalry

God damn it anons, this is why I can't miss anything.
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>>3057569
>Thinking this will end in anything besides a painful and possibly lethal mauling.
This is why you need to miss things.

>>3057567
>[Share hearts of the cubs Y/N]
Y, if its a thing thats done and *honorübrü*

>>[Split the heart(s) in half with Lord Medger and share your half with your men.]
Seems reasonable. Bond with Medger and with our lads, assuming Lucan hasnt gotten killed in the woods.
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>>3057567
>[Share hearts of the cubs Y/N]
Y

>[Split the heart(s) in half with Lord Medger and share your half with your men.]
Our men are already fairly loyal, might as well focus on getting on well with a powerful northern lord.
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>>3057567
>[Share hearts of the cubs]
>Y
>>[Split the heart(s) in half with Lord Medger and share your half with your men.]
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>>3057567
>[Share hearts of the cubs Y/N]
Y.
>How do you wanna share the hearts?
Diced it and stir fry it with seasonings and wine
he kinda missed chinese takeouts
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>>3057617
>>[Only share with those who took part in the actual hunt for the animal.]
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>>3057567
>>[Share hearts of the cubs]
>>Y
>>>[Split the heart(s) in half with Lord Medger and share your half with your men.]
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>>3057569
Bear cavalry sound like a lot of training, bonding and research.

And at least a proper structure for train them and their knights, when we understand how to do it.

And probably a lot of good rolls too.
That means having domesticated war bears (that don t have problems with guns/explosions, like the horses of our outriders) that obey the orders of their knights ( at least 3 generations of domestication first).
Too many problems.
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Also I was wondering if we could discuss the training of our infantry / line-musket soldiers. I remember us discussing which school of infantry combat we were going to follow:

>French school.
Deploys 4 ranks deep and fires by rank in salvo, advancing and firing with the intention to charge with the bayonet once the enemy is reeling from close fire. Combined focus on fire and melee. Offensive in nature. Mainly used by France.

>Anglo-Dutch school.
Deploys 3 ranks deep and fires by platoon in smaller salvos, intending to disrupt the enemy march and close by subjecting him to continuous disciplined fire. Focus on fire. Defensive in nature. Used by England/Britain, the Netherlands, Denmark and Brandenburg along with some of the low (northern) German states.

>Austrian school.
Basically the French school, but without the intent to go to melee. 4 ranks deep, fire by rank and fire and defensive focus. Developed to combat the melee-happy Ottomans by devastating fire. Used by Austria and the various central European and high (southern/central) German states

>Russian school.
Austrian school, but even more defensive. Russians deployed from 4 up to 6 ranks deep, had a small unit of pikemen to ward off cavalry and focused on fire to combat melee-happy Swedes and Ottomans. Fire by rank and defensive. Whenever possible, the Russians would construct earthworks to increase their defensive potential.

Developed due to many of the higher officers and even many of the soldiers in Peter's early armies were German mercenaries, bringing the Austrian school, and the need to keep the newly raised Russian armies together as well as fighting the Ottomans and the Swedes, who would come to them every time.

>Swedish school.
Influenced by the French school, but much more offensive. Deploys 4 ranks deep, but 1/3 of the battalion is pikemen - not to ward off cavalry, but to charge with longer weapons, making the enemy unable to respond. Fires two salvos by double rank (ie all muskets in the battalion) before charging. Reloading in the face of the enemy is strictly forbidden.


Yet discussion basically stalled out because of a lack of interest and a general assessment that moving to line infantry might not be effective given it is designed for fighting other line infantry / gunpowder troops as well as a lack of numbers making complex tactics somewhat pointless to train given we'd almost certainly be able to direct the troops ourselves.

However at this point, I think we can all agree we are potentially going to grow beyond the means of direct management (assuming we invest in military at any point in this lifetime) and standardising / actually devising our training would probably be smart. There also exists the possibility of developing our own school of firearms doctrine but that would be difficult to achieve and would require lots of discussion to develop it.
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>>3057643
We basically go Russian only more defensive. Keep in mind unlike the folks that devised these tactics, we have the option of making barbed wire and rapid-fire weapons. Add in some explosives and we can construct a deadly little fort near anywhere and hold out against far superior forces while shelling from artillery range. Due to our limited numbers there is no point in not picking gunpowder over pikes. Pikes we can substitute with bayonetts and sidearm pistols and armor.

Basically, go defensive and powder heavy until we can into tanks and dune buggies.
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>>3057643
A modify russian school could do for now, since we need to count in a lot of medieval weapons in the battles. (probably the ones of our allies or ... future vassals ?)
>>3057653


pikes could be still useful, if there are battles in the near decades the rifles of our soldiers (and of our north allies) aren t going to shoot that fast. Same for mortars and cannons.


we could use mercs in the rare case we have too much infatry&cavalry to deal with, use them as pikemen and heavy infantry, so we can avoid to lose the gunners and keep shooting.
(still some battles could be done by let enter the great south armys in natural north traps rich of our explosives and bad terrain)


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when we have the steam power we really need to make that fishing fleet and icebreakers. Not just for make more money but to give it at a special reasonable price to our native pop, so they don t see any problems in having more kids since there will be always a lot of fish and sea food to buy.
that in the future means more soldiers and taxes. Maybe even a loyal population ?

obsiouvly we will need to expand the town in to a city for that.
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>>3057680
*infantry
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>>3057680
See, at our scale right now, if we ever come up against an army of comparable size - lets say up to a thousand - we can, with proper prep, defeat them handily. Same size forces have no chance.
If we ever face off against a force substantially larger than ourselves we will not be alone and can thus offload the pike duty on our allies who have far more and far better trained meele infantry.

Until we get to the thousands of troops we are far better off making specialized gunpowder units - Outriders, artillery, plate mail blunderbuss shock troops, snipers etc. So instead of mass, we have variability and options. Enemy advancing on us? Slow down with artillery and snipe commanders. Enemy in the forest with us? send in the shock troops and everybody else whips out their sidearm pistols. Too many of them? Hole up in a makeshift fort and snipe/artillery them from inside, ride out at night to throw grenades in their supplies and position snipers for assassination etc.
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>>3057702
good.
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>>3057653
>We basically go Russian only more defensive.
Could work.

>Keep in mind unlike the folks that devised these tactics, we have the option of making barbed wire and rapid-fire weapons.
Rapid fire weapons are kinda iffy. We can manage volley or puckle guns which are both somewhat expensive, if useful, methods of achieving a higher rate of fire. Personally I prefer volley guns, easier to manufacture and can be made by a musket factory with a few simple modifications.

As to barbed wire, entirely correct but we can also have other things like caltrops, extremely primitive landmines (more accurately powder charges and either chemical or mechanical detonators, might even mange to get mustard gas or something working if we're feeling stupid / insane) and so on.

>Add in some explosives and we can construct a deadly little fort near anywhere and hold out against far superior forces while shelling from artillery range.
Correct, not to mention that we can almost certainly construct flame thrower carts or back mounted assemblies to prevent people wanting to close range with us: fire, even non-wildfire, is still a terrifying threat. Plus it'll be good to be prepared for fighting the Wights by having flame-troops.

>Due to our limited numbers there is no point in not picking gunpowder over pikes. Pikes we can substitute with bayonets and sidearm pistols and armour.
I'd point out the main benefit of Pikes is being able to keep the enemy far enough away that they don't crowd the gunmen and prevent safe volley firing into the melee. If we're using bayonets, we risk hitting our own men if we provide ranged support but we should still equip our troops with them.

>>3057680
>A modify Russian school could do for now, since we need to count in a lot of medieval weapons in the battles. (probably the ones of our allies or ... future vassals ?)
>we could use mercs in the rare case we have too much infatry&cavalry to deal with, use them as pikemen and heavy infantry, so we can avoid to lose the gunners and keep shooting.
The early colonial / East India company methods might be useful then. Given their nature as mercenaries who assisted various Indian nations, they often had to assist traditional units. We could also look into adapting the methods used by the US against natives as well as the methods of engagement during the French-British war in the region, where the natives were commonly used as meat-shields / allies.

From these, we can almost certainly draw some lessons on how to engage motivated and trained forces adapted to their home-ground as well as integrating low-tech formations.

>obviously we will need to expand the town in to a city for that.
Certainly
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>>3057702
Pretty much aye. Honestly, with every minor level of technological advancement we manage to achieve what we become capable of safely and reliably fielding will only get more and more ridiculous.

God help Westeros if we ever get any sorts of proper funding.
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>>3057569
Bear cavalry, without magical bs of any kind, would require a level of domestication, training, and breeding of specific traits impossible to achieve within our lifetime. That's just talking making them not incredibly dangerous around humans, let alone making them into mounts, which is a whole other level of difficult in animal breeding. It just isn't done, and for good reason. If we could dominate the bears in some way, or live longer than generations of bears, than it's a big maybe but that would require some form of magical means or skill way beyond us right now.
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>>3057567
>>[Share hearts of the cubs Y/N]
Yes
>>[Split the heart(s) in half with Lord Medger and share your half with your men.]
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>>3057712
The reasoning behind wire is not to kill but to seriously slow down or risk maiming. Talked with QM about this and we actually arent too far from rapid fire, especially if we can get industry going. Caps will be a problem for a while but even they arent too big of a deal in the long run.

As to flamethrowers, I would support fully except for the simple issue of Ned being our lord. He probably doesnt take kindly to such weapons. This doesnt mean we couldnt make them, just that we cant liberally field them. Also look at the reactions of soldiers in WW1 when the flamy-bois came out. Utter panic. I imagine it would be even worse if you knew you couldnt get in range before he does.
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>>3057741
I suppose. We can always keep them hidden until such a time as they are needed and truly needed.
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>>3057741
>>3057757


we can use them in dire situations or against enemys that are not human. Ned shouldn t be against that
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>>3057758
To be fair, there are few enemies that we are going to be facing that aren't human while Ned is alive depending on how things go.
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>>3057761
Eh, if someone is at our gates then giving them a hot spray is not that outlandish. Same thing is done with pitch and oil and piss, we would just do it better.

Going on the offensive with this under Ned? Probably a shit idea.
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>>3057643
>>3057653
>>3057680
If we rifle the guns of our dudes we can throw the schools away as we will have the range and accuracy to do skirmish/hunter style fire that is effective.

Even in the 15th/16th century, hunters rifles were far more accurate and with better range than a soldiers musket.

The musket however was far cheaper, and the investment for a full army, guns, training,etc for a skirmish/hunter rifle army compared to a musket army was not something economical. Specialists and such sure, but not a full army especially as a large cavalry charge would fuck up your rifle army far harder if they deployed as skirmishers to avoid volley fire and artillery.
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>>3057851
>Probably a shit idea.
To be fair, it's not my worst idea. In fact I considered asking why we didn't develop horse or chariot mounted flame throwers that could be sent charging through the enemy lines or running along their length spewing flame over them.

>>>3057869
>Even in the 15th/16th century, hunters rifles were far more accurate and with better range than a soldiers musket.
At a cost of being heavier, less reliable, more expensive and slower to reload. We can equip an elite unit of rifles but I am not supporting a full army of rifles until we have single-shot percussion cap guns as then we'd have little reason not to in order to maximise their benefit.
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If you can make percussion caps, you can almost instantly jump to revolvers after a bit of dicking with the alloys, though mass producing center-fire cartridges will likely be beyond you for a while now.

Getting to Colt 1911 tier is probably the top tier of what one can really achieve without smokeless powder, though those would require quite an impressive workshop to make.
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>>3057869
Until we get some good fire rite guns going I would rather focus on defense. As to cav, Outriders can not only shoot but seriously spook normal cav. Another great boon for us.
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>>3057900
Its an unwieldy weapon but the reason its shit on offense is the social stigma attached. Especially considering what Aerys did.

>>3057904
Probably not go into handguns except our own arms. But caps would allow copious amounts of gatling and repeater rifles.
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>>3057904
>If you can make percussion caps, you can almost instantly jump to revolvers after a bit of dicking with the alloys,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY9HQccpILU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9uGktUCrY

I tried to find a video of some gun-kata with revolvers but honestly there's a surprising lack of it. Hopefully these two videos can convince you why we need to duelwield revolvers when we get the chance. Preferably in as big a calibre as we can handle, I want these things to kill bears and dragons if we unload into them.

>>3057910
True but we could make it far safer and better. Though the stigma is never going to go away. Just like gas weapons in real life.
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>>3057923
Nah, flamethrowers have a stigma, gas weapons are just dumb.
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>>3057927
Gas weapons are insanely effective against an unprepared enemy and a morale breaker even against those that are prepared given they require constant vigilance to avoid dying.

I'll admit, gas weapons can be extremely unreliable but that is only if one uses them to preface a offensive. If you merely use them in an attempt to kill the enemy or to distract them, they provide a useful and cheap way to deny the enemy access to a region or to minimise their utility from holding it.

Plus, there are a fair few gas weapons which are damn devious: one of the ones in WW 1 would soak into fabric and the slowly release over time if the fabric warmed above a certain point. That being roughly the temperature of their underground dwellings, where the enclosed location made even the relatively small amount of gas deadly if it is not noticed soon.
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>>3057938
Link to that gas? Sounds pretty nifty.

But aside that, the only use for them I see is using on castle courtyards, since the gas would remain inside. Otherwise they dont use trenches and wind wold just as likely blow it towards our own emplacements. Not to mention the colossal stigma attached as soon as they find out just exactly why their men choked to death with their skin melting off.
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>>3057956
>Link to that gas? Sounds pretty nifty.
Christ if I can remember which gas it was, I remember it from a documentary because it always struck me as a terrible way to die.

>But aside that, the only use for them I see is using on castle courtyards, since the gas would remain inside. Otherwise they dont use trenches and wind wold just as likely blow it towards our own emplacements.
Somewhat true. Fact is we could deploy it using light mortars directly into a castle and thus basically eliminate the entire benefit of a castle without even risking our soldiers all that much. Plus we get to take the castle in perfect condition making it hard for whomever tries to take it from us. Although we'd kill everything inside and it'd take a fair amount of time to dissipate.

>Not to mention the colossal stigma attached as soon as they find out just exactly why their men choked to death with their skin melting off.
Oh hell yeah, I mean some of the stories about what it does to people are god damn horrifying. An account from a British nurse treating soldiers with mustard agent burns during World War I commented: "They cannot be bandaged or touched. We cover them with a tent of propped-up sheets. Gas burns must be agonising because usually the other cases do not complain, even with the worst wounds, but gas cases are invariably beyond endurance and they cannot help crying out."
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To be fair, we don't even need gas mortars. It's enough to simply have barrels of it and wait for a good wind to release it. Imagine doing that outside an army encampment- absolute slaughter, just need 20 good men.
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On a complete side note it turns out that Airis looks a lot like Bella from the Twilight movies. Just happened to notice while browsing imgur.
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>>3057904
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimfire_ammunition
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>>3058989
I don't think that's going to be much more easier than centerfire in the end. Where are we going to get a factory to produce those things?
Not like uniformly made brass casings and percussion caps appear from thin air.
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>>3058989
Rimfire sounds like when you have spicy food & then eat ass.
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> Split from the middle and both share with their own men
> Same deal with the Cubs

You take the hearts and split them in half, both of you then cutting them down to smaller pieces for your men.

"The Slayer has the honor of First bite."
You chew down your slice of heart, still moist and steaming from the animal's own fats.
"There's an old superstition among the woodsmen that eating the Bear's heart grants you it's courage, fortitude and strength. You'd have to eat it while it's raw though and finish before the heart beats its last."
Medger says before putting a piece of the heart into his mouth
"Sounds to me like someone came up with the tale in order to trick someone else to get the choice parts."

As you and your men feasted on the entrails of the great beast, you chatted, drank, laughed and played with the Cerwyn men. As evening started to come close, Lord Medger started telling you about the North and the Northmen.

"The Ways of the North, the Old Ways, they are to give due respect to the Nature as we are part of it and inevitably, all our souls will return to the soil. There are no songs of worship, no holy texts, no priests and no official rites when it comes to Old Gods.

If you wish to make friends in the North, you must be aware of our ways in here. Each of us is our own man, though that seems to be very much the case with you as well. Only thing that remains the same amongst the Lords and people of the North are the sacred laws of hospitality. Everything else varies from house to house."

"Seems fairly straightforward to me."

"Now that I've told you about us, perhaps you should tell us about you and your ways."

> [Neutral Planet] "Oh yeah, err... my official stance is pretty much whatever the Septons say. Yessir, totally."
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
> [Alex Jones] "I'm a Pioneer. I'm an Explorer. I'm a Human and I'm Coming."
> [Laissez Faire] "I think the greatest gift a Lord can give to his subjects is the assurance that he will not bother them unduly."

> [Something else] "Write-in"

Also

[b]Is there something you'd like to talk with Lord Cerwyn specifically?
>Nah, conclude the hunt
>Nah, but I'd like to hunt some more
>Ye (what?)
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>>3059152
Would like to go Tesla but that's pretty much guaranteed to make a bad impression given what Cerwyn's just said.

>[Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in.

Although not really sure how much of the "galaxy" they're aware of in Westeros. Maybe a slight change to something like:
>"The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of all we survey, on Planetos and perhaps beyond."
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>>3059156
Also
>Nah, conclude the hunt
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>>3059152
>> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
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>> [Alex Jones] "I'm a Pioneer. I'm an Explorer. I'm a Human and I'm Coming."
1776 WILL OCCUR AGAIN IF WE DO NOT REARM OURSELVES. WE WILL ALL BEAR ARMS! THE GUN PROTECTS OUR FREEDOM, HOORAH!
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
We are, after all, bending Westeros to suit our whims. This will especially come into play once we start up industry. Full J. P..

>Tell me about the major lords of the North. I know *of* them yet I would like to know what their contemporaries think of them.
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>>3059152
>> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
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>>3059152
>>Nah, conclude the hunt
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>>3059152
[Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."

_In darkness, I shall be light
In times of doubt, I shall keep faith
In throes of rage, I shall hone my craft
In vengeance, I shall have no mercy
In the midst of battle, I shall have no fear
In the face of death, I shall have no remorse..._
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>>3059169
Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane.


Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.
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>>3059178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSR9W8g6ak8&feature=related
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>>3059183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJNz2QgSNsk&list=WL&index=30&t=54s
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
> [Laissez Faire] "I think the greatest gift a Lord can give to his subjects is the assurance that he will not bother them unduly."
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>>3059152
>[Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
I've always been a bit of tesla fan
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>>3059152
> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
>Nah, conclude the hunt
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>>3059219
>>3059168
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> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
> [Laissez Faire] "I think the greatest gift a Lord can give to his subjects is the assurance that he will not bother them unduly."

Going full 40k is a bit silly
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>>3059244
they are allmost the same
they want human dominace of the elements
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>>3059152
>> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."

Drop the hint that there are intelligent things that aren’t Humans, let’s see how he react.
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>>3059253
"This man is crazy in the head"
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>>3059255
Yea probably.
Also, he probably doesn't know what a galaxy is.
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Its honestly impressive this quest has gotten to 20, I thought it was going to die in the womb like many others.

>>3059152
> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
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>>3059152
>> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
>Ye (what?)
See if we can mark him down for some gunpowder orders.
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Perhaps Sigmar cult would be more accepted in those part? Meh, wathever.
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>>3059372
sigmar/adam chosen of the 7 hero of the long night
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
> [Alex Jones] "I'm a Pioneer. I'm an Explorer. I'm a Human and I'm Coming."
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>>3059152
> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
While I like a good 40k reference as much as the next imperial citizen, this one fits the best because people will remember that we are technically a maester and we won't sound like an autistic crazy person when we talk about SCIENCE. IIRC decided we should quit doing that (too much) because we need friends to survive and achieve our goals.
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I wanna try to make The Generator from frostpunk...
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>>3059540
Inefficient as shit though. Better off making many smaller engines so we can both save on resources and tailor the engines to the needs. Also, piping the steam for hundreds of meters either means we lose pressure at the end or have to deal with excess pressure at the start. Either way, bad times.
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>>3059542
Yeah, but it’s cool as shit.
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lets build the neuschwanstein castle ( insp for the disney castle ) so that we can say that our castle is the most breath taking of westeros
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>>3059574
Sure, why not, that seems like a fun idea :)
Let’s try our hand at designing this stuff ourselves.
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>>3059574
Oh, you think so small....
https://youtu.be/Hegoy0fuH2w
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
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>>3059152
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."

And
>Nah, conclude the hunt
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>>3059152
Either of these, maybe both but I'd tone down the Imperial side of things a little.
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."
> [Imperial Cult] "The Twin headed Aquila in my Heraldry symbolizes the dream of Mankind's prosperous future and dominance of the Galaxy. I guess that's what I believe in."

>Ye (what?)
If we can put him down for an order of gunpowder and guns or compasses. Also can we continue hunting bears, it's fun, prestigious and useful.

>>3059253
>>3059255
>>3059258
Honestly it might not surprise him that much, I mean they are mentioned in the lore and it mostly depends how far you stretch the definition of human. I mean you could argue the Children of the forest, fish-people (all the different ones there are) and the giants are all non-humans. Plus there are dragons and shadow creatures as well as the people of Basedthoros who can't interbreed with "regular" humans that all show signs of understanding humans instinctively or being of equivalent intelligence.

>>3059574
Honestly not that aesthetically pleasing to me. I'd prefer a double layer star fort (offset from each-other by 36 degrees) with martello tower bastions at the points. Then we can have unfortified inner structures and focus on quality of life over defensive ability.
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>>3059784
Shit forgot it auto-changes s-o-y to based. That's kinda funny.
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>>3059784
Why not triple layer? on an Island.
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>>3059152
> [Alex Jones] "I'm a Pioneer. I'm an Explorer. I'm a Human and I'm Coming."
> [Tesla] "What guides me is the desire to harness all natural forces in service of mankind."

I'M SETTING ELECTRICAL FIRES EVERY WHERE
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Rolled 6, 5, 5, 5, 1, 3, 6, 4, 6, 6, 3, 2, 2, 5, 6, 6, 4, 5, 2, 1, 6, 2, 6, 4, 1 = 102 (25d6)

>[Imperial Cult]
>>3059156
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>>3059253
>>3059282
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>>3059784

>[Tesla]
>>3060539
>>3059784
>>3059760
>>3059708
>>3059537
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>>3059168

10 vs 11 Tesla wins.
Pretty close race tho

Also seems like you want to conclude the hunt and get a feeler of whether or not he's interested in becoming a client.
Give me 6x 3d6 to see if you bag any more bears during the remainder of the hunt.
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Rolled 3, 6, 6, 2, 5 = 22 (5d6)

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Holy shit, Medger is a really good at this.
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Rolled 3, 4, 3 = 10 (3d6)

>>3060582
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Rolled 3, 2, 5 = 10 (3d6)

>>3060582
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Rolled 1, 1, 6 = 8 (3d6)

>>3060582
Here goes nuthin!
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Rolled 6, 1, 6 = 13 (3d6)

>>3060514
Very few natural islands large enough for even a double layer and an artifical one would be too expensive. As to the layers, if they've gotten past the first two then I doubt that a third is going to stop them given how strong of a defence that is.

>>3060582
Can we hunt bears year round or are there restrictions on when it can be done? Cause I could see this being a hobby.
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>>3060599
I mean you can go and hunt bears in the Wolfswood any time the Starks say it's ok to do so and considering that there's more of them there than they'd like, I'm sure they'd welcome anyone who wishes to do so for now.
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Rolled 1, 6, 6 = 13 (3d6)

>>3060582
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>>3060595
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>>3060617
What the hell are these Schizo Dice?!?!?!
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>>3060604
Well that's good. It'll be a nice way to relax and a good source of bear-based gifts. Now all we need is a travel desk so we can work on our designs and we can spend weeks away from our lands shooting bears and designing tech.

>>3060619
Dunno. We are getting abnormally extreme results but that is probably just the small dice size.
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>>3060621
You've got a council that more or less allows you to go full Robert at this point. All you just need to do now is pay your debts and you could completely retire.
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Also I do need that one more roll
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Rolled 6, 3, 1 = 10 (3d6)

more dice for the dice god
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>>3060625
True but where's the fun in that? Lord knows we've got to take a guiding hand sometimes, especially as our economy grows and we develop our lands to new heights.

Plus, if we're seen being so hands off it could send the wrong message to other lords / the smallfolk. If nothing else I'd still want to see how the people are doing and shit.
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>[Tesla]
>Gunpowder
>Conclude the hunt

[1/3]

"Me? Well, I'm not that complicated of a man, though my beliefs are drastically different from the Old Ways of the North and especially of the Gods of the Children. In fact, you could even say that they're almost the exact opposite. You see, what guides me is the desire to harness all the natural forces in service of mankind. The Mastery of Human mind over the material world."
He lifts his eyebrow as he swallows down a piece of liver.
"I think you southrons might underestimate exactly how powerful nature is if you think man can tame it, even if your guns can down a bear so easily"
"Oh, you misunderstand me. This is not a belief of the South or a teaching of any Gods I know of. It is merely my own personal creed, my belief, my goal and my desire to see the oceans and the winds, the air and the soil, fire and ice as well as the sun, lightning and the storms all should be made bend to the will of man and I believe that man will eventually accomplish this, standing as King of all Creation."
He throws a few more bits of fat into the pot as the fire crackles.
"Pride comes before fall. Lord Tallon. The Valyrians flaunted their sorcerous power arrogantly and it destroyed them. Old or New, you'd best be careful not to invite the ire of the gods with such speech."
"I've never broken any laws of nature Lord Cerwyn nor do I seek to replicate the distasteful methods of Old Valyria. I merely believe that once man completely understands nature, he will be able to master it."
"And what makes you think that man could even understand nature to such an extent?"
"Well, I can't personally claim to understand everything about nature but... -hmm... Yes, I think I've said too much for now. Best not anger the gods and all that with blasphemous words. Forget I said anything Lord Medger."
He looks at you quietly for a while whilst chewing on his piece of bear.
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[2/3]
"Oh right! I probably should ask you whether you wanna be one of my clients."
"Clients?"
"You know, for the guns, powder and all that stuff."
"We'll see how the hunt goes first shall we? Tools of Pyromancers have bit of a reputation..."
"I can assure you that unless you do something crazy, such as using a triple powder load with 4 balls in the musket or something, there shouldn't be any problems. Although if you want a gun that can handle that, I suppose I could be convinced to take in a special custom order."
"Rather confident about these aren't you?"
"Of course. I built them with sturdiness in mind. Got even these blades you can attach to the end of them so you can use it as a makeshift spear. Of course it doubles as a club too if you don't have time for that."
"Impressive as they are, what I really like about them is the stock and the safe trigger system. Could you make such contraption thing work in a Crossbow?"
"Well, I suppose I could. Why? You think that'd sell?"
"From my perspective most Lords would rather be able to produce the ammunition themselves and I take it you're not willing to sell the recipe."
"Not anytime soon at least."
"Indeed, so whilst many a Lord might certainly be interested in keeping some around to put down rogue knights or large game, they'd likely remain weapons for the elite, whilst if you sold trigger mechanisms and stocks for crossbows, it should a simple matter to refit the spring to it's new body."
"I will certainly consider that. It's not a bad idea."
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[3/3]

6 days of hunting, 6 days of merciless bear slaughter
>Medger's rolls: 21, 22, 16, 15, 18, 21 (Bear a day keeps the doctor away)
>Your rolls: 10, 10, 8, 13, 13, 10 (You're barely keeping up with this absolute madlad as he depopulates the landscape)

"There's some more tracks here."
"Medger, ease up with the killing, we've taken like what? 17 bears by now, most of them children? There's not enough room in the wagon for any more we kill and we're running low on salt."
"We could put pull them behind our horses on stretchers."
"Yea we could, but enough's enough. We've plenty of meat for the whole castle as it is."
"I'll be honest, I was hoping to hit 20."
"Medger we do need to start heading to the main camp or we'll be left behind. We've moved quite far from where we initially started as you kept finding more and more bears to hunt."
"Fine, fine, let's go."
"So, I take it you enjoyed hunting with guns?"
"Oh yes. Normally it takes several days for us to find and kill a bear and normally it's considered rather risky to approach a den. Being able to do so freely is quite a change of pace."
"I take it that means I can expect you to make a purchase soon?"
"You most certainly can Lord Tallon. I shall definitely be in contact with you in the future."

Your group was the last to arrive to the main camp, but as you did, the frankly stupid amount of salted meat did most certainly turn some heads. 10 juveniles and 7 adults in a week of hunting. Impressive result by any man's standards.

As you approach on horseback, Lord Eddard Stark comes to greet you.
"Looks like Fortune was with you Lords Tallon and Cerwyn."
"I think it was more credit to Lord Medger's stupendous hunting skills than good fortune. Every day he seemed to track down new animals for us to shoot."
"As good a year as it was, if it were not for your weapons Lord Tallon, we'd have taken considerably longer with each prey."
"I think no further scrutiny is need on who won this year."
"Wait, this was a contest?"
"Not formally, though it's still considered tradition that a Master of Hunt be chosen from the group which brought the greatest haul."

>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
>Try to convince him that you're worthy of the honor
>Just shut up and let him decide himself
>Write-in

also

>Anything you wish to do in Winterfell before returning back home?
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
It's useless being able to kill the bears if we can't find them and lord knows he just kept finding them.

>Anything you wish to do in Winterfell before returning back home?
I imagine there is probably a skilled leather / fur workers around here. See what we can do with the bear skins we got. Speaking of which, how many and what did we get?
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>>3060653
>>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
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>>3060653
all this hunting for bears reminds me of an old quest.
Re-monster EX quest.Spiderbutt.Spider dice.
Eat all the bears.
Lyra Niallasdottir of Firescarn, Thunderbreaker and Bane of Scales, Bone Crusher, Destroyer of Magic, Slayer of Beasts, Master of the Forge, Shaper of Earth, Weilder of Lighting and Caller of fire. Rebuilder of the Lost, Restorer of the Ancient, Spearwielder, Dungeonbreaker and Friend of Oakring.
Queen of the forest, Unifier of the tribes, Alpha of wolves, friend of harpies, protector of moths, Cousin to the Forestwalker, Adventurer among humans, Host and Guide of half-elves, ruler of all monsters of the great forest and Giant Spider.
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>>3060653
I think we're very much at risk of being seen as an arrogant outsider by the North - by Stark especially. Interactions like this where we have little to lose but a symbolic title are perhaps the time to appear honourable in front of the Northerners, to improve our reputation and maybe afford us some leeway to be ruthlessly pragmatic when it really counts. Besides, it looks like Cerwyn was actually the better hunter, we just had the better weapon.

>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
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>>3060659
Exactly, getting on Cerwyn's good side as a customer is nice too. Plus being seen as a humble if ambitious man is always good.
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
He earned it, it's bad form to claim victory for oneself and he will probably tell all his buddies how awesome our guns are.
>Anything you wish to do in Winterfell before returning back home?
Have all the bears we got into nice cozy rugs and the first one into a cool warm coat.
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Also another Civ 6 expansion has been announced. This one seemingly dealing with climate change / natural disasters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChGloy1Cxw
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
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>>3060653
>Just shut up and let him decide
Unless we’re asked of course, then concede to mighty Nimrod over there
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
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>>3060653
>Just shut up and let him decide himself
let him be the judge,we just came here for loans and new clients
>Anything you wish to do in Winterfell before returning back home?
get skins turn into coats and mittens with teeth,claws and quartz as decorative buttons
also shop around in town for local goods
and 'trash' items(things no-one but us can see uses for)
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>>3060653
>Just shut up and let him decide

Ned is the boss
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>>3060653
>>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
"While it is true my weapons work to enhance any warrior, it is the man that wields it that needs to be skilled. Lord Cerwyn is that most skilled of hunters."

>also
Have someone deal with our pelts so they are presentable (have a wedding gift done, maybe a bear coat? boots?), also ask Luwyn about whether we/he could have a crier spread the word we are looking for upstanding men in our demense. Work aplenty etc. Basically start trading Wealth for Pop mechanics wise.
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>>3060714
Oh, and ask Ned if we could have some more land near us pretty please and what it would cost us (add to gunpowder shipments ideally).
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
>I brought the guns, he brought the skill.
Give Cerwyn a gun as a gift and it pretty much solidifies him as Master of the Hunt.
It would take a lot more time for us to learn said necessary skills.
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>>3060716
I doubt Ned can give us land. We're a vassal of the Manderly's who are in turn a vassal of the Starks. Technically we can be considered outside of his direct control. Also we just got 5000 GD off the lad, let him rest.

>>3060752
>Give Cerwyn a gun as a gift and it pretty much solidifies him as Master of the Hunt.
He's going to order one, don't. Given he'd probably want a really nice one we can get a good commission on it.
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
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>>3060770
Negative. We are the direct vassal of Stark. And its not free land (pay for it with powder) however it is worthless to him.
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>>3060651
>"Indeed, so whilst many a Lord might certainly be interested in keeping some around to put down rogue knights or large game, they'd likely remain weapons for the elite, whilst if you sold trigger mechanisms and stocks for crossbows, it should a simple matter to refit the spring to it's new body."
That's... actually a great idea.

See, back in medieval times crossbow makers don't actually make the parts, the work they do is all about final assembly and tuning. A carpenter makes the stock, a stringer makes the string (which is really just a type of rope), a smith makes the trigger and bow and a fletcher makes the bolts. (this is actually where a lot of modern surnames come from) The crossbow maker has no idea how to make any of those things, and none of the tradesmen know how to assemble crossbow. If we set up a production line (like a stamping press?) for musket triggers it would be a simple matter to change some parts around so they work for crossbows instead. We could then sell the triggers and stocks ready made and let people make their own bows, or recycle existing ones.

Our musket tech outranges crossbows easily so I don't think we have anything to worry about. And it's not like the north isn't full of crossbows already, giving them a better trigger pull would just make them more accurate. The potential market is there.
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
Dayum, that's a lot of bears.

Should we have bearskin hats for our grenadiers? The north has no shortage of them and they actually serve the practical purpose of keeping your head warm.
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>>3060821
Yeah sorry, my mistake.

>>3060825
True but it does also create competition against our guns. Still I'd suppose that if we are truly pushed for money it would work.

>>3060864
>Should we have bearskin hats for our grenadiers?
To be honest it somewhat seems we should have bearskins for all our troops if we're going to be hunting them so reliably. Especially given how few troops we're going to be raising.
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>>3060653
this
>>3060668
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>>3060870
Send an apology note to Bear Island for the wholesale slaughter
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>>3060972
Nah, clearly we send them a tiny ornament of a bear made from bear bones attached to a tiny steam engine / wind up motor.

It's legs move as it "runs" from a tiny tin Tallon (tm) that shoots a gun, killing it.
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>>3060870
All the leather aren't yours and there's like 100 men in Reachman garrison.

If we're talking about the bearskin caps worn by napoleonic troops, those would use up a fair bit of furs if you actually used genuine bearskins for it.
Obviously not enough for a hundrend men.
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>>3060998
I'd remind you OP I'm the guy who thinks we should just remain here and continue hunting bears rather than living at our castle. At least for a month or two.

Also, the Reachman garrison unit is 100 men? That's far bigger than I was expecting but I suppose it makes sense.
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>>3060825
>>3060870
Also we could invent the goats foot for crossbows.
Makes loading them faster and its new tech.
Nice two part sale.
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>>3061104
Yeah but it's all just competition for our guns especially since they make the crossbow better. I'd prefer to focus on getting guns into the armouries of lords and into the hands of hunters.
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>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
No ulterior motives behind my vote, I genuinely think the man earned it. Fucker was tracking bears like it was nothing and knocking them down like it was nothing. He's got my respect.
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>>3061121
Oh aye, that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge the benefits of it though.
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>>3061115
Sure but it still makes us money either way, and as long as we keep improving our crafting skills and equipment, guns will gain the edge back eventually. Besides, it's the powder sales that matter and with the clear interest in cannons as ship and siege weaponry, our powder industry will still be moving strong. If personal firearms are treated as a weapon of the elite and pushed to the side for a while than so be it, personally I'm content as long as the powder is still selling.
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>>3061127
Fair enough. Though for powder to really sell we'll need to produce cannons or provide some sort of service blasting obstacles during land clearances or in mines.

Cannons will take time and resources we might not be able to spare. Blasting could be done far easier by teaching some people how to do it and using them as a workforce that other lords or merchants can rent.
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>>3061132
I wonder if renting out cannons is a possibility. Probably not but worth a quick thought. Obviously we make the first few for ourself before we start selling them. Meanwhile we put that loan to work to kick mass production of black powder into high gear. Get the crown and our lord their promised powder as soon as we can to better imporove our standing. We show we're serious and capable on delivering what we claim, and it further improves relations with stark and stannis, which in turn makes future deals and loans made later on easier to get.
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>>3061145
>I wonder if renting out cannons is a possibility.
It is a decent idea but it comes with the problem of needing to be able to move them very fast to whomever is currently renting them. Therefore, they'd need to be light or pulled by a good team of horses as well as well guarded against ambush.
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>>3061132
I think fireworks could really take off in the free cities, especially braavos for the Uncloaking of Uthero.
The free cities do seem to enjoy the dramatic.
Plus we could work with that Qarth merchant we sailed with to sell them even farther abroad,
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>>3061155
>I think fireworks could really take off in the free cities, especially braavos for the Uncloaking of Uthero.
Yeah, to be fair the free cities would also be interested in compasses (easier navigation for their trade fleets, new quicker routes) and firearms(no entrenched noble class of warriors, significant merc forces, frequent wars). Main problem is that we risk drawing the wrath of their enemies and getting a hit put out on us.

>Plus we could work with that Qarth merchant we sailed with to sell them even farther abroad,
Oh aye, we could almost certainly contact some people from our time as a merchant guard and see if any of them would like to get guns or fireworks to sell / use.
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Speaking of making money, do you think we should get some Naath silkworms to start our own trade of it?
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>>3061174
Our lands are probably a bit too far north to easily keep such creatures. Better to focus on wool and flax.

Especially if we want to produce uniforms or armour for our troops.
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>>3061174
If we're talking about markets besides gunpowder and weaponry. Compasses would be a great idea to sell to through the Mandalays' port city. Definitely a useful item with a niche, but strong customer base. Spirits are also a small side business we'd have a much easier time setting up this time around. We could set one up relatively quickly in our lands and spread them around. Give a few out to our lord, the crown, and neighbors/fellow lords we've made relations with as gifts, then start selling it. We could even sell distilleries to interested lords later on since keeping a strict monopoly on that isn't nearly as important as black powder.
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>>3061104
>>3061115
Yeah, exporting crossbow triggers would at least raise funds we can use to sink back into powder production. We have a lot of ideas for products but most of them would require additional infrastructure whereas a trigger is just a series of mechanical parts we could mass produce.

>>3061164
>>3061201
Compasses is definitely the best option to start a business with Wyman. He owns a port that sees traffic from pretty much the entire world. There shouldn't be any problems with assassins if we put the word out that anyone can buy them (but only from White Harbour). They also don't do much to change the power dynamic, at most they would stop a warship or troopship from getting lost, but they still have to fight a battle when they get there.
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>>3061229
I agree with everything you've said. Honestly if we're going to get additional land as promised by Wyman in return for providing him with a unique trade good, although he might want more than just one if we aren't offering guns, we can potentially sustain a few industries in the extra space he'd provide us.
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>>3061240
That's a pretty big if. He asked for us to be his vassal in exchange for those lands after all.
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>>3061847
Yeah that's a bit much, though I'm totally fine with selling a product exclusively through White Harbour as long as it's not everything we make. Guns and powder are off the table but compasses, distillation and such are fair game. He has all of the trading connections you could possibly need. If we do enough business we could probably convince him to give us that land in return for opening more product lines to funnel through his port.

>>3060653
>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you
It's obviously Ned's choice in the end but we really have to give Cerwyn credit for being the bearminator.
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>>3061847
Actually no, all he asked was that we left all sale of guns to him. There was no mention of vassalage in the entire thing when I checked.
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>>3061900
>"What I am offering you is to become your patron Lord Arthur. If you swear fealty to me and become my vassal, I will not only defend you military, but I will provide you all the funds your house needs to set up the gun and powder production. I'll even throw in the bit of coastline that used to belong to the Fullaxe along with the fishing hamlet that's on it."
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>>3061906
God dammit, my reading comprehension must really be fucked. I could've sworn it made no mention of funds or vassalage, only of land and control over gun sales.
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Ok anons, lets set things straight a bit here.

1) Manderly wanted the exclusive sales right for guns. That means we would essentially become the production department to his sales. We would also move from Ned to him.
2) In return, he would pay for all setup expenses (with gun production, looking at around 80 Wealth or more) and give us 2 more tiles of land (plains + coast with hamlet)
3) This would have meant we would not have needed to invest in any trade infrastructure for ourselves, meaning if we had a Port up thats it. As it currently is we will be building both a Port and a Marketplace to allow goods to move freely in our realm and to attract merchants and travellers (and their tax money).
4) While the deal is certainly a good one, we decided we would go at it alone (meaning slower start but more resources down the line).
5) Going to Manderly half-cocked with compasses and moderately harder booze than what they offer across the sea/down south will make nowhere near the splash the new Port selling guns and powder will. Fact is, unless we offer something equally as amazing he wont bite.

What I dont get is why you anons want so desparately to appease him? He wont give us the same deal for compasses or booze and we can repay the loan in around 3 years (done the math, assuming we can produce at a decent speed - not at full capacity mind you). We can buy lands the old fashioned way as well.

Why do you want Manderly?
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Taking a day off from updating today, covfefe.
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>>3062098
*Sips Covfefe
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>>3061957
>Why do you want Manderly?
I really wanted the land but that was before I thought we'd become a god damn vassal of the man. I no longer have any interest in the deal.

To be honest, we need more land. I don't want to give up something as important as he wants but we do need more land to build factories and mines given we will quickly fill our current holdings. Therefore we must either develop additional holding space, something unmentioned in what PDFs I have, or get new lands. Only ways I can think of doing this are marriage, conquest and trades. Marriage is something we're avoiding, conquest is highly unusable without massive risk and trade will generally always be one-sided against us. I mean the only alternative I can think of involves setting up our businesses in the lands of other lords which carries massive risks in war and in peace.


Also, on a related but somewhat separate point. I considered the fact that our family has their own lands that are fairly significant in size and came to a conclusion. We should send them the technical documentation for the creation of a distillery when we finish designing that so they can turn their agricultural output into cheap, good quality alcohol. That way we benefit our family (and can ask for more aid), prove yet another invention of ours and set up the distillation process in a region where grain should be cheaper. We might also wish to consider, once we've payed our loan to Ned back, discussing the establishment of another such distillery in the north as a joint-ownership project between us and Ned.

Also, regarding our family, we should see if they can send us more men or soldiers in return for gold, firearms or gunpowder. Fact is their holdings are in a region which has a surplus of manpower compared to our own and they might be able or willing to send yet more aid in return for something relatively minor. Plus, equipping our own family's forces with muskets would ensure three things: 1, a fairly sizeable market that we can trust not to be brought against us in combat; 2, a competent force of soldiers further south who should come to our aid in future wars if we forewarn them; 3, that in those future wars they'd be capable of competently defending themselves against any threat that might assail them. Especially if we give them even a single cannon, hell it'd make them a powerful (influential more accurately) force in the south if they were one of the few houses we sell a cannon to anytime soon.
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>>3062326
The nifty thing is that, mechanically, we can exchange any resource for another 2:1 (IIRC, might be 3:1). meaning we can both "buy-in" Pop and Land. Fluff-wise it would be buying land and paying for new houses and whatever.

Sounds good, although I dont know why we should do it jointly with Ned if we can just sell distilleries and make booze for our own use. Not like we will have a great surplus of food for a booze industry anyway. And the "joint" part could be us selling them the distillery.

Keep in mind the family is ultimately a vassal of the Reach. Come war, do you think they will just stand by (and get fucked due to treason) or go to war? Better not give them powder so they ideally stay far away from us on the field (since we are backing Mannis and all).
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>>3062361
>The nifty thing is that, mechanically, we can exchange any resource for another 2:1 (IIRC, might be 3:1). meaning we can both "buy-in" Pop and Land. Fluff-wise it would be buying land and paying for new houses and whatever.
I know, I'm just of the idea that if we can figure out ways to do it "in character" rather than just in-system that OP might be generous. No reason to believe that but it's just something I'm used to.

>Sounds good, although I dont know why we should do it jointly with Ned if we can just sell distilleries and make booze for our own use.
Because Ned is a good business partner with lots of capital and land.

>Not like we will have a great surplus of food for a booze industry anyway.
Yeah, that is why I think giving it to our family would probably work out better.

>And the "joint" part could be us selling them the distillery.
True but the main point of the joint part is we get some income from it without having to use our own land which we need for more important industries like steam engines, guns and cannons.

>Keep in mind the family is ultimately a vassal of the Reach. Come war, do you think they will just stand by (and get fucked due to treason) or go to war?
I'd hope that by giving them the guns and cannon that they'd be able to resist any siege for long enough that we can come relieve them with Stannis's help and that they are close enough to us that they'd not willingly march against their son. Which I think we could find out, given our brother believes in our visions / knowledge of the future. If we tell him the truth and explain what we want, we can find where our family, or at least he, stands.

>Better not give them powder so they ideally stay far away from us on the field (since we are backing Mannis and all).
I suppose. If we can't trust them then we must but if we can then I'd hope to gather their support: consider they willingly sent us a force of 100 men without question as a gift, imagine just how many men they must command to be readily able to spare them. If they all had guns and powder to defend a castle, it'd take a hell of a siege to break the place.
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>>3061957
>>3062326
I think we're reading that conversation in different ways.

">Is it about Guns?"
>"In a way. I recognize them as something that White Harbor has been lacking for quite some time and I don't mean them as mere impliments of violence."
>"Every great City in the known world has its own signature products which mark it from the rest. White Harbor however, mainly ships raw materials."
It's not that he wants guns specifically, it's more that he want something unique White Harbour can sell. He asked for guns because that's the only thing he knows we can make. He wants us to be a vassal in return because he's offering land, funding AND military protection, this isn't just a simple startup loan. Obviously we don't want to become a vassal and or give up exclusive rights to gunpowder. But there's no reason why we can't make a regular old business deal with Manderly to sell a unique product exclusively through White Harbour. And we should throw him a bone like that because he is our most powerful neighbour and owns a major port city. We can't just remain an autistic hermit lord forever, we need friends and connections to get anything done.

>Going to Manderly half-cocked with compasses and moderately harder booze than what they offer across the sea/down south will make nowhere near the splash the new Port selling guns and powder will. Fact is, unless we offer something equally as amazing he wont bite.
You have no idea how amazing a compass is to people living in an age without electricity. Yeah gunpowder is fun and useful and deadly, but in terms of practical value to your average medieval person it's like comparing a hand grenade to a smartphone with GPS.

Every ship captain in the world will want one, you can navigate by the sun and stars but the moment night falls or some storm clouds roll in you are blind and potentially a dead man if you make a wrong move or can't find your way home. Miners underground would want one, maesters and astronomers would want one, hunters in the woods would want one. Hell even eastern merchant princes would want one gold plated just to show how wealthy and cool they are. The potential market for compasses is world wide and if we offered an exclusive like that to Manderly he would utterly insane to turn it down, and unlike with gunpowder we don't have to worry about who gets their hands on our products.
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>>3062372
As much as I agree with you anon, there is a single counterpoint to that.

All shipping routes in Westeros rely on coastal routes to prevent them getting lost as easily. This is why the Stepstones are such a good place for pirates.
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>>3062369
Talked to QM about the very same issue. He said its not a real problem. Besides, not like there arent enough small lords with lack of coin or people in WH who want a better future, especially if we offer to pay part of it etc.

See, what I mean is it would be better for us to sell the promise of booze rather than booze itself, since we can make a lot more money in the short run (decade, lets say). Looking at our timetable, quick profit right now is pretty great, especially with all the whack industry we are planning and the general lack of food to make booze out of.

As to the family, giving them non-combat tech for favours is a very neat idea.

>>3062372
As >>3062374 already said, the compass is not *that* fantastic, especially with the Narrow Sea being the main tradeway and there not actually being any big waterways besides that.

As to Manderly, you are overestimating his want. He wanted a BIG thing to make a name. Compasses and Booze are pocket change compared to the pixie dust that blows apart mountains a days ride south. As to just buying land from him in return for some piece of tech? Sure, assuming its a good deal.
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>>3062374
And with compasses, they don't need to rely on coastal routes. Every captain's going to jump at the chance to buy the ability to bypass the pirate-infested Stepstones.
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>>3062382
>Talked to QM about the very same issue. He said its not a real problem. Besides, not like there arent enough small lords with lack of coin or people in WH who want a better future, especially if we offer to pay part of it etc.
Aye fair enough.

>See, what I mean is it would be better for us to sell the promise of booze rather than booze itself, since we can make a lot more money in the short run (decade, lets say). Looking at our timetable, quick profit right now is pretty great, especially with all the whack industry we are planning and the general lack of food to make booze out of.
Oh yeah that's entirely fair. Honestly in that regard we should milk it for all it's worth and see if every lord in Westeros wouldn't like a nice source of fire-water. Hell we can even sell the design to the Citadel too for scientific purposes.

>As to the family, giving them non-combat tech for favours is a very neat idea.
Thanks, it made sense to me given they have land and wealth yet are just close enough (in terms of connections rather than distance) that we can trust them to not fuck us over. Plus, it's a noble thing to take care of your family so it'll reflect well on us. Not to mention building up their trust / respect for us will be useful in coming years if we need to convince them to switch sides or to reveal their lord's plans.

>>3062386
Once the object is proven, I'd suppose so but first you need to convince highly superstitious captains that the compass works safely and reliably. I'd also point out that even then some would probably rather stick to known, safe, routes than the open seas. Still, it might work. Worth seeing what Manderly would give us for the opportunity at least since it doesn't matter to us if it sells, so long as he pays.
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>>3062386
The compass gives you direction, not location. I think you are overstating its effect here. In addition to the aforementioned sticking to tried and true ways I doubt we will profit from this too much. Likewise, doubt Manderly will be interested. Not saying we shouldnt sell it but it wont be some miracle that Manderly will throw cash at.
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>>3062404
>The compass gives you direction, not location. I think you are overstating its effect here.
It's really easy to dismiss the compass from a modern perspective, but you have to remember that these people have literally nothing. In order to go anywhere you need to have your bearings. Imagine that you're swimming blindfolded. You might know where you start from, but you don't know what direction you're swimming in, you can't notice that you're slowly curving to the left and there's a current that's pushing you west. This is what sailing is like when you don't have a compass and why ship captains in this world always stick by the coast, the land is their point of reference because they don't have anything else to work with.

Having a compass is a quantum leap in navigation because it allows you to go *directly* from one point to another by providing a constant bearing. Any old captain can find Essos just by sailing towards the rising sun, or following the stepstones. But how many captains can sail in a direct line from White Harbour to Braavos in a fifth of the time? Wyman would understand the implications of this and if nothing else he could use them for his own trading fleet and make bank on quick trading runs to Essos.

ASOIAF is basically GRR Martin's fantasy funland, but you could also call it "medieval history without china" because they didn't have compasses, gunpowder, or a printing press until we came along. We might as well complete the set.
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>>3062490
>ASOIAF is basically GRR Martin's fantasy funland, but you could also call it "medieval history without china" because they didn't have compasses, gunpowder, or a printing press until we came along. We might as well complete the set.
I've already said my piece on the rest of your post but I feel I must correct you and say that there is a China equivalent in Planetos.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Yi_Ti

They are really, really far away. Like the other side of Essos from us and beyond a large, almost impassable, mountain range if I'm reading this right.
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>>3062497
Ah that's right. I read the world of ice and fire book a long time ago but I forgot about Yi Ti, it's basically tropical fantasy china. It's rather far away, on the "best guess" map someone put together on the wiki as to get there from westeros it's roughly 4800 miles in a straight line. That's like flying from New York to Greece, or from Egypt to Hong Kong. That is pretty much the edge of the earth for Westerosi and would definitely fall under the "here be dragons" portion of the map, except we know all the dragons are dead. About the only known thing further away is Asshai where Melisandre comes from.

Also it really bothers me how square the world map is when you see everything together. The only things that escape the right angle treatment are the bits that were obviously tacked on later like the Summer Islands.
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>>3062520
>Ah that's right. I read the world of ice and fire book a long time ago but I forgot about Yi Ti, it's basically tropical fantasy china. It's rather far away, on the "best guess" map someone put together on the wiki as to get there from westeros it's roughly 4800 miles in a straight line. That's like flying from New York to Greece, or from Egypt to Hong Kong.
Yep. Far as fuck.

>That is pretty much the edge of the earth for Westerosi and would definitely fall under the "here be dragons" portion of the map, except we know all the dragons are dead.
For now.

>About the only known thing further away is Asshai where Melisandre comes from.
Also the city of Stygai, one of the two places that I think we couldn't handle with 2000 good men with bolt action rifles, maxim guns and a dozen howitzers.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Stygai

>Also it really bothers me how square the world map is when you see everything together. The only things that escape the right angle treatment are the bits that were obviously tacked on later like the Summer Islands.
Eh, it makes sense when you consider that S-o-ythoros is unexplored and everything farther east of the Yi Ti is a land of darkness, evil, magic, blood and dark evil blood magic. Then you remember that the poles actually exist in Westeros and repeated attempts to navigate them have failed (probably giving the Others a bunch of Wights in the process but still).

In such a world where the West ends in an unexplored / seemingly endless ocean, the south is a mix of open ocean and a unexplored continent, the north is frozen to shit and to the east is a mix of mountains, death and nothingness, it makes sense your map is kinda square.
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If you were to educate Wyman Manderly on the means of making compasses, he wouldn't necessarily give you his lands for free, but it's still enough of a favor to get him to agree to sell those lands to you at a reasonably low price since while Compasses are grest and all, there's relatively few ships in Westeros designed for High Seas travel and he'd need to make the navigational charts for his routes as accurate maps do not really exist.

The reason why he was willing to throw so much money and lands at you was exactly because of the oath of fealty. You'd essentially be part of the Domain of White Harbor, a bannerman to the Manderlys if you accepted, so investing on you would in that case be more or less same as investing on White Harbor as you and your children would be bound to his family.

If you remain free however, any trade deals you make with him can pretty much be broken by you or your heirs at their leisure, especially if you marry to someone dangerous enough to be able to resist Manderlys.
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>>3062772
Honestly that's a fairly good thing still. I mean given what your describing doesn't prevent us selling compasses (much) later, it would certainly be a thing worth considering given the additional land and thus taxes / people would greatly aid our efforts. Obviously we'll need to see what his offer works out to be but still, worth a shot.
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Also OP, would making a Camera Obscura be of any use to us? How about an actual photographic camera?

I mean obviously it'd be cool but would it be a particularly good investment of time / money.
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>>3062879
Photographs would probably be pretty big market amongst the nobles since they do pay a lot of money to leave portraits of themselves to future generations.
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>>3062987
True but the problem is the method.

Early photographic technology essentially, from what I can find, all rely on silver salts. As these react with light and turn black / darker enabling the creation of a photo-reactive film.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daguerreotype

The above link is to the first commercially used and successful photography method. Assuming we want to do this, we need access to shit like mercury vapours, silver salts that are sufficiently reactive (that'll be fun to produce) plated onto a backing material (usually copper) and chemicals to remove the actual light sensitivity from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calotype

Alternatively we use this above process which has the benefit of being far quicker for the photographed individual and being able to produce copies of the image (Sell photos of the king? Photos of beautiful castles? Anything can be produced repeatedly) but it comes at the cost of needing more exotic materials and being a slightly lower quality image but seeing as we lack competition, that shouldn't be an issue.
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>>3063022
Probably not worth the payoff then. We're not that good of an alchemist.
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>>3063059
Actually we're fairly decent. We've got a pair of links in it as well as a Maester's set of alchemist instruments. Add in our knowledge of the scientific method, metallurgy and all that good shit and this is a fairly reasonable project.
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>>3063062
Not sure if a Maester's Medieval Alchemy education is enough to actually pull off something that's from age of enlightenment.

We are by no means a master in the subject by their standard.
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>>3063075
I suppose but we do have the next few years off to just learn, design, test and train.
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>>3063076
time that would be better spent on getting the gunpowder industry running, some weapons refined, the whole steam power thing, and perhaps getting some serious training for the next life in.
Imho, we do not have the time for it.
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>>3063098
Precisely.
Also, we could go for a Gramophone, which should be far easier than photography as it's basically needle scratchings on hardened wax.
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>>3063098
>>3063076
Focus on getting steam power going and utilizing it to machine as many things as possible (production lines for arms and armour, food, tools etc.). While I approve of training, our focus should be on getting good at making steam engines and everything related since we have been given the rare opportunity to be a Lord, rather than start as a pauper. Besides, its not like making steam engines or revolvers isnt a skill.
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>Tell him Lord Cerwyn deserves the title over you

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"If it's all the same to you Lord Stark, I'd like to concede in favor of Lord Cerwyn. He's the one who found all the bears. All I did was supply him the equipment and one does not credit the smith for the deeds of the Hunter."
"I think that settles that then. Congratulations Lord Medger, you are this year's Master of Hunt. You've the seat of honor at my table and the deed shall be put in record by my chroniclers."
"Thank you Lord Stark. I'll strive to be worthy the honor."
He says, bowing down.

"Ser Helman Tallhart. Will you pass the pin to Lord Cerwyn Medger?"
A Clearly sour looking Huntsman takes a bronze pin shaped like bow and arrow and affixex it to Lord Medger's coat for all to see.
"Hope you enjoy your new title Master of Hunt. Shame you needed a Southron's sorceries to achieve it though."
"Says the man who bears that title of a Ser. Your Knighthood comes from the south as well lest you've forgotten."
"Enough. Sorcery or no, Lord Medger bested you this year. We ride for Winterfell."

At Winterfell, there was a feast of bear meat upon your return. In this feast however, you weren't a wallflower. Lord Cerwyn introduced you to many people during the feast and you got to explain several times that "No, it's not sorcery, it's just a clever trick. Explosive powder in a tube just flings things in said tube pretty hard. I'm not a magic man." the core concept itself was simple enough for them to understand, even though they had little experience with the phenomenon itself.

The Powder itself however still was treated with certain degree of wariness and mystery as the whole thing wouldn't work without it. The Fact that Lucan had told them that snorting the stuff between training has made them stronger, faster and as well as giving them a better eyesight hasn't actually helped. Going to have to talk to him about that later.
Of course you stated that you can't really recommend doing it as the effects are most likely due to receiving proper training and dieting for the first time in his life, not due to snorting the black powder.

When the month was done, you ended up setting sail home with several pelts and enough jerky to last you the journey back.
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Meanwhile back at Tallon's court.

Seneschal Manrel was going through the accounts for Lord Tallon's most recent investment
"A Refining operation to extract brimstone from fool's gold and the poor quality iron in here. Something tells me that our Lord isn't exactly planning on exporting matches."

Ser Bodrin perks up from the corner.
"It's not your place pry into your Lord's doings Maester, tread carefully."
"While I do commend your loyalty to our master Ser Bodrin, your hostility is misplaced. I understand Lord Tallon has ordered utmost caution when it comes to protecting the trade secrets of his domain, but I hope you'd eventually come to see things from my perspective."

Maester Tobias speaks out
"We both know the Conclave doesn't always play fair Maester Manrel. Ser Bodrin is merely being cautious until your loyalties are proven."

"Unwarranted and divisive caution. If I were to get caught spying on our Lord and giving away his secrets to the Conclave, what good would it serve me? Even if I wasn't caught in such a foolish endeavor, I'd still be stuck here in the North. I'm the same as you Maester Tobias, neither of us would be here if it was our first choice, but we must make do with what we have."

"I've my doubts on the matter Maester Manrel."

"Doubt my motives all you like stargazer, but it doesn't change the fact that the prosperity of Lord Tallon and his domains is a far less riskier and far more rewarding course than the alternative you fear for. If you must cast doubt on someone-"

There's a knock on the council

"Honored Maesters and Sers, a courier ship from White Harbor has arrived bearing a missive with the seal of the King's Master of Ships."

"Well Tobias, Lord Tallon left you in charge of overseeing the Council. Will you open it or will you await our liege to return?"

>[Break the seal] "We were left in charge and this could have effect on our Lord's domains. The Crown bears too much weight to ignore."
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."
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>>3063098
I'd argue you are overestimating how long this stuff will take. Plus we need mercury fulminate for percussion caps so we'll be doing chemistry work anyhow, chances are we can slip it in there.

>>3063114
Could also use a wax recording tube

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph_cylinder

They were developed earlier and it's easier to produce the cylinders than a genuine disk.

>>3063275
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."
You won't tempt me with the mystery box OP.
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>>3063117
>Focus on getting steam power going and utilizing it to machine as many things as possible (production lines for arms and armour, food, tools etc.). While I approve of training, our focus should be on getting good at making steam engines and everything related since we have been given the rare opportunity to be a Lord, rather than start as a pauper. Besides, its not like making steam engines or revolvers isnt a skill.
I agree. Once we've got some industry set up, we'll have enough wealth and fame to call in the best trainers in their various fields which should help maximise the gains we make.
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>>3063275
>[Break the seal] "We were left in charge and this could have effect on our Lord's domains. The Crown bears too much weight to ignore."
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>>3063275
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."
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>>3063275
>[Break the seal] "We were left in charge and this could have effect on our Lord's domains. The Crown bears too much weight to ignore."


We have an army of maesters for a reason
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Only downside of dipping too hard to tech is that if you spawn as poorfag with no status it's useless because you can't acquire the tools or the money to replicate it.
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>>3063292
It is a serious issue. Though I'd say that given our previous combat skill, we can always become a thief / criminal / merc to earn enough money to start our own works.
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>>3063275
>[Break the seal] "We were left in charge and this could have effect on our Lord's domains. The Crown bears too much weight to ignore."
Inb4 Civil War
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>>3063275
>>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."

Anons please. The reason we got Toby is to keep our shit out of the hands of anyone who isnt us. Now you are voting to open one of the few important letters we will recieve this year in front of the very same people we are trying to keep this info from? Come on.

And even IF its a time-sensitive issue, it is only a month, we have the fastest ship in the world and the letter probably took over a month to get to us. This is not the time or the place or the letter to open without us. Why bother keeping secrets at all then??
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>>3063275
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."

I agree with this anon >>3063321
We're dealing with time-scales on a not! medieval level: It will be fully expected that we'll take months to reply to such a message. Best not risk opening it in front of potentially prying eyes.
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>>3063275
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."

trust no one, not even your lackeys
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>>3063280
>>3063288
>>3063321
>>3063331
>>3063332

Yeah seat on possible valuable information for a whole month doing fuck all.

The fact that Toby breaks seal doesn't mean he will share info.
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>>3063384
And what the hell is he gonna do anyway? The ship is with us, any dealings are with us and the land itself is so shit nobody wants to stay. Face it, we gain nothing and risk a lot by opening it now. And, as i said, even if its time sensitive, the timetable is so big anyway it doesnt matter if we spend a month away.
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>>3063386
>And what the hell is he gonna do anyway?
Idk. Something? And something is much better than nothing at least in my book.
What do we risk really? What information could it contain that it would be dangerous to share?
Also we gain maester that isn't a pussy and is ready to make decisions and take actions.
What? Each time we get a letter and we aren't home we expect him to wait for us to open it?
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>>3063407
You mean the information where the Conclave would learn who we are doing business with and to what degree? The business where they learn just who holds what stake in our enterprise? Yeah, what could go wrong.

Toby is there to do exactly what he needs to. Make sure our demense is running and no Maesters fuck about too much. He is, in fact, not there to be our second in command. And although he is expected to solve petty issues inside the realm, a letter from KL is hardly a petty issue not worth our time.

Exactly.
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>>3063386
Also more importantly this decision is made by Tobias. If OP wrote what kind of instruction you left Tobias regarding mail
My vote would be something like "Open mundane ones, important ones left for me to handle".

But this decision is left to Tobias, at looking at his character in my opinion this one better matching him even if it's questionable for us.
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>>3063413
>What could go wrong.

What could go wrong?
But unironically.
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Just some quick thoughts.

>>3063407
>Idk. Something? And something is much better than nothing at least in my book.
I think his point is that our Maesters can't really do much of anything until we return. As we're the only one technically invested with the power, and currently in possession of, the ship we plan on selling. Not to mention we plan on talking with Stannis about investment and shit and will therefore potentially want to mention that in our response. Far better to await our return so we can dictate our response more accurately.

>What do we risk really? What information could it contain that it would be dangerous to share?
Dunno. It's a mystery box. Don't like mystery boxes.

>Also we gain maester that isn't a pussy and is ready to make decisions and take actions.
Doesn't mean he should.

>What? Each time we get a letter and we aren't home we expect him to wait for us to open it?
I mean...yeah? It's private and shit. If it's a letter from Lord Stark asking if we can send him a kilo of powder or are attending a feast then he might be able to answer but we'd probably still want to do it ourselves.

>>3063413
>You mean the information where the Conclave would learn who we are doing business with and to what degree?
They'll quickly learn we sold our ship to the Master of ships. It ain't exactly going to be a secret for long when we start loading barrels of gunpowder onto trade ships for him and when the ship is seen in the Royal fleet.

>The business where they learn just who holds what stake in our enterprise? Yeah, what could go wrong.
Again, the above. They'll quickly figure that out.

>Toby is there to do exactly what he needs to. Make sure our demense is running and no Maesters fuck about too much. He is, in fact, not there to be our second in command. And although he is expected to solve petty issues inside the realm, a letter from KL is hardly a petty issue not worth our time.
This fairly accurately surmises my beliefs although I'd add the point that he is arguably not even allowed to represent us given just how important of a deal this is.
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>>3063422
Problem is that you don't exactly know what is important and what is not without opening it.

I mean, people don't send that much mail.
If it's got a seal, it's likely reasonably important.
Then again, that's true for most written words in this era.
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>>3063275
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."


I don t find any problems in waiting.
For return back home it will not take a lot.
Then for read it and maybe, maybe discuss it with the council we will need 1/2 days ?

So it was 2/3 weeks for arriving in Winterfell ?
Add those, the days for read it (maybe discussion with our small council) then the travel for a ship to return to the capital. ... and it should be reasonable.
No ?
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>>3063513
That's only if you're actually leaving your dudes and the gold behind and moving back by your own, which thus far you don't really have any reason of doing because you're socializing and because it's an unnecessary risk.

Ultimately, Eddard Stark did ask them for a month and he's using them for a month. If he thinks the outriders are useful, he's obviously not going to send them away ahead of time, he's going to put them to work.
Not like the North is lacking in lands to patrol and you do get marauders and cattle thieves at isolated farmholds.
Even if it's just for a few weeks, having access to a unit of extra riders will make a lot of jobs for the bailiff.

You've been there for about 10 days now.
It will also take some time for him to actually prepare the money and a suitable escort for such a sizable fortune.
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Basically the letter would be sitting around a month by the time you get around to reading it if I remember travel times correctly.
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>>3063275
>>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return
Delivery times are long in this world, some weeks more or less won't kill anyone and I'd rather have us be in charge.
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>>3063275
>>[Break the seal] "We were left in charge and this could have effect on our Lord's domains. The Crown bears too much weight to ignore."
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>>3063275
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."
We're the lord here and we didn't give them permission to do so. Simple as that.

>>3063413
>You mean the information where the Conclave would learn who we are doing business with and to what degree? The business where they learn just who holds what stake in our enterprise? Yeah, what could go wrong.
Did you guys already forget the time we opened our mail in front of the council? That time we asked our maester when the powder mill would be ready so we can supply Stannis? They already know, these are the people we hired to run the mundane side of our business so we don't have to. If you're having second thoughts about running a maester council it is far, far too late.
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

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Rolled 4, 1, 3, 2, 2 = 12 (5d6)

>>3065329
I'll be honest I have no idea what you want OP but this seems about right. No idea if the b2 should be applied to each d6 or collectively.
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>[Don't break the seal]

"The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return and then open it."
Maester Manrel smirks
"As you please, Maester Tobias. I shall be certain to mention your... diligence on my report. Regardless, back to the topic on the Brimstone, the work seems to be progressing relatively slowly."
>4 months of construction time
"Maesters Stuar, Preston and Derron are putting in the effort to try and get the peasants to live up to the task, but they're performing about as you'd expect from illiterate peasants. It'll in all likelihood take some months to get the Operation running on an acceptable capacity."
"We shall carry on until the task is completed."
"Quite so. Nevertheless, there's still matters of this month's finances."

>Another month, another time to choose.

>Roll for House Fortunes, for better or for worse (5d6b2)
>Get a +1 to Power, Defense, Lands, Wealth, Law, Population or Influence
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Rolled 1, 5, 3, 6, 3 = 18 (5d6)

>>3065334
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Rolled 1, 4, 3, 1, 6 = 15 (5d6)

>>3065334
As to the + 1, I've no idea what other anons want but wealth seems like the most logical investment for now. That or population so we can get to work reducing the population's penalty on our House fortune rolls.
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>>3065334
>>Get a +1 to Law
Firstly, because we are close to getting the next tier in Law IIRC, which means less assholes on our lands.

Secondly, because with the bonuses to house fortune right now, we are playing russian roulette with 3 bullets. Keep in mind that although we can gain more than 1 point we can also lose more than 1 point.
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5d6b2 means 7d6 with 2 lowest dice redacted.
Also, the rolls don't count until I actually call for them.
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>>3065341
Our law is currently 12, the next tier is at 21. Our population however is 19 and the next tier is 20. Far better to invest this first point in population, surely?

>>3065344
Okay that makes sense in regards to the dice themselves but didn't you call for us to roll in your post?
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>>3065334
+1 population
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>>3065347
My mistake, Pop it is.
>>3065341
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>>3065344
So if that's the case then >>3065338 for this roll we'd redact a 1 and a three, still leaving us with a 3, 5, and a 6?
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>>3065353
I present to you the table for results. As you can see, even at higher tiers its still pretty bad.
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>>3065354
wow, yeah that's pretty shit.
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>>3065356
As an aside, QM has confirmed that if we start sticking steam power to applicable holdings we can get more than 1 passive gain. Say we stick steam power and gunpowder to the mine (pumps/ventilation + explosive excavation) we could go +3 Wealth per turn from the mine. Add to that workshops etc. that provide their own bouses and we are looking at quite the income.

Just another reason to bumrush steam.
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>>3065357
Those are some insane benefits. Especially given our mine is a basic one, mining a resource that isn't of particuarlly great value. If we got a more valuable mine, literally anything from iron to gems and gold to salt, then we'd get even larger benefits.
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pop it into population
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Looks like it's population then.
Seems that some of the plebs are coming back home after hearing that the new Lord apparently isn't a total douche.

No House Fortunes roll this month then.
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>>3063293
>>3063292

That is why personal training and development is imho a superior investment.
Thus developing enough shit to get a filthy rich position that allows us to have the sheer money and position to have the spare time for the really expensive shit.
>[Do not break the seal] "The Lord's mail is something we shouldn't touch under any circumstances without special dispensation to do so. We shall wait for him to return."
And our resident maester is there as a good skeptical opinion on the very helpful help from the citadel.
Everything has a cost and a price.
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Rolled 3, 1, 6, 6, 3, 2, 2 = 23 (7d6)

>>3065344
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>>3065534
No stop he didn't call for it
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>>3065429
>RANK UP
>LORD STATUS: NOT A TOTAL DOUCHE
We're movin' on up baby!
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[1/2]

It is the 1st month of 290 AC and you've finally made your way back home with your escort after procuring a passage from White Harbor with the War Galleys Lord Wyman generously loaned for a few days so you might get home.

After safely depositing the Stark Gold and Silver to the Treasury and sending off your escorts with fresh provisions, your presence was requested in the council chamber.

Your Seneschal Manrel speaks up
"First of all before I begin with the report of the events that took place in your absence, I'd like to welcome you back home my Lord."
"It's good to be back. I hope you've only good news for me."
"Firstly with the aid of your Barrister Preston and Magister Derron, Mayor Tarner has succesfully managed to convince many men who migrated during the fall of house Fullaxe to return home and seek employment within the many jobs spawned by your construction projects."
"That is good to hear, I suppose."
"Furthermore, the first of the mills seems to be in somewhat working order. Of course, we cannot fully utilize it whilst the construction work is going on with the next one as we must close off the stream's reservoir in order to allow the men to continue their labors."
"If I wanted to use the mill for a bit and hook up some existing mechanism to it, will that disrupt the work?"
"It is possible, the waterway is more or less complete, but I would recommend asking the foreman on the site whether or not it's prudent to do so."
"Very good then. How about the brimstone?"
"Maester Stuar has successfully managed to separate the brimstone from the fool's gold, but teaching the smallfolk has been a trying task. They've not been taught letters or numbers, which has caused some difficulty in the learning process and they are learning a whole new profession as well. Nevertheless, he estimates it should be done by the time your mills are operational my Lord."
"Very well then. Anything else to report?"
"There was a messenger in your absence, bearing the seal of office for the King's Master of Ships. Maester Tobias felt it prudent not to open it until you've returned, though if I may be so bold, I would advise my Lord to name a secretary to see to your mail, so that your council may function more efficiently in your absence."
You eye your Seneschal as Tobias hands you the missive with the seal still intact.
"And I take it you've a someone in mind?"
"Well, traditionally a Lord would place one's wife or other family members suitable to oversee such a task. I would recommend you to follow by their example if at all possible."
"Was that an implication that I should get married?"
"My Lord can take it as he likes. But as your Seneschal I must point out that marrying to the right family can bring great benefits to your new dynasty as well as bring some security to the smallfolk that succession is secure."
"Right. We can talk about that later, for now however, let's see this letter."
You crack the seal and roll open the parchment.
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"Oh fuck."
"Dire news my Lord?"
"You could say that. When did you say this letter came?"
"27 days ago my Lord"
"Fuuuuuck."
"What does it say?"
You throw the letter on the table for everyone to read.
"Stannis has set sail for the Bite and he's telling me to prepare his ship to best of my ability."
"It takes around a month to get to White Harbor from King's Landing. We should have time."
"That is if he didn't send the Raven while he was on the road. In short, he could be here any day now and we've not made any preparations."

Maester Manrel speaks up after finishing the letter.
"We've not much time to prepare a feast my Lord. This may cause some embarrassment to your house."
"What sort of repercussions would this have?"
"Well, you may be seen as a poor host. Whether Prince Stannis cares or not is one thing, but word will spread."
"I'm sure he won't, but the northerners will. The Whole concept of being a good guest and good host is one of the traditions they hold most sacred."
"Then, you will most certainly lose face my Lord, unless..."
"Unless, what?"
"Unless you don't host Prince Stannis in here at all. You could ask Lord Manderly for a favor and have him host Prince Stannis instead when he arrives. In all likelihood, his fleet would need to make a stop at White Harbor regardless. You could present a gift to him there to help keep appearances."

Maester Tobias speaks out
"My Lord, if we rush things and throw some gold around, we could maybe make it in time to produce a feast for him and his men."
Seneschal Manrel replies
"Maybe. That is if he doesn't arrive in tomorrow or the day after. The Long Night could possibly make it to White Harbor and back, getting us the necessary goods to prepare a feast in a short notice, but at the same time, Lord Manderly will likely be preparing a feast of his own. It will undoubtedly be costly."

>How do you seek to handle this situation?

>[Risk losing face]: We'll the Long Night immediately. 250 Gold Dragons should make sure things run smoothly.
>[Prepare a gift]: Send a Raven to Lord Manderly. I need a favor from him.
>[Write-in]: Something else?
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>>3068022
>>[Write-in]: Something else?
What if we engineer the sequence of events so that we don't have to play the host in the first place? All that Stannis asked us to do in the letter is to prepare the ship, and he told us his destination as well. We skip the pleasantries and greet him on our - well, Stannis' - ship on the sea, the ship completely ready to join his fleet then and there.

Stannis doesn't exactly enjoy feasts and time-wasters like that, and we might even get a plus in his book for being "efficient".
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>>3068022
Ask our council if this is feasible >3068035 otherwise ask Manderly for that favor
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>>3068022
*rolls eyes* it is medieval times, those kind of things happen, communication isn’t good afterall.
And if the northerner aren’t happy I’d like to kindly remind them that we were with our liege lord, so they can go fuck themselves if they have something to say.

>[Risk losing face]: We'll the Long Night immediately. 250 Gold Dragons should make sure things run smoothly.
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>>3068041
Basically this

>>3068022
>>[Risk losing face]: We'll the Long Night immediately. 250 Gold Dragons should make sure things run smoothly.
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>>3068041
Well, it IS the Crown Prince that's coming around and he sorta did let you know he's coming beforehand.
The fact that nobody thought that of actually reading the letter sent by the Crown Prince in your court sort of leaves a pretty bad image of you, not just amongst the northerners, but amongst southrons too.
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>>3068049
Not really? I mean it is scretching things pretty far. Especially since the letter is from the crown prince and master of ships, for all everyone know that letter could be for our eyes only.
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>>3068050
Yep, also sending a visit letter so shortly before arriving himself is shit planning. Especially in not! medieval times.
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This is quite a conundrum, if we can only get a lackluster feast ready why don't we try something like giving Stannis a tour of the powder mill?
Alternatively maybe give him some guns as a "sorry I'm a secretive fuck who doesn't trust a single person"
Did we ever actually put that tower cracking cannon on the Long Night?
Maybe we can pitch him on that.
The respect of others is nice but it's certainly not necessary, look at Baelish.
Alternatively why don't we organize a hunt with the guns as a prelude to feast and have whatever is killed served at the feast.
Just some ideas.
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>>3068050
Receiving royalty is generally speaking considered a HUGE deal in terms of prestige. They don't visit just anyone and many Lords don't even know what they look like.

Needless to say, it would be a bit of a scandal even if Stannis himself didn't care as it would result into bad rumors about your court and your personality which in turn can negatively affect how other lords view you.
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>>3068052
Month should be considered time enough, provided you actually read your mail. Not like Starks had much more time when they received Robert's message that he was coming.
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>>3068022
>[Risk losing face]: We'll the Long Night immediately. 250 Gold Dragons should make sure things run smoothly.
>>3068052
We had whole month for planning.
How he supposed to know that we gonna be full on autistic and keep the letter closed for whole month?
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>[Prepare a gift]: Send a Raven to Lord Manderly. I need a favor from him.
Favor is a must it seems.
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>>3068022
>[Risk losing face]: We'll the Long Night immediately. 250 Gold Dragons should make sure things run smoothly.

>>3068065
That doesn't change the fact we didn't have anyone read it because we didn't want the potentially needed level of secrecy breached. Hindsight is 20/20 but this makes sense to me as a explanation.

Why is the Crown prince coming to a shitty little castle like ours? His reason is entirely legit, it's still strange that we'd be expected to put on a feast when our preparations will always be limited by the fact our staff is entirely new (have we even hired a proper kitchen staff?), our castle is somewhat wrecked and so on.

Fact is he's only asked us to make his ship ready, that is all. Let's get it ready and meet him in White harbour and thereby avoid the entire issue. He's not expressly asked us to host them nor to survey our lands, if we get his ship to him before he arrives then he'd have no reason to come.
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>>3068060
Disregarding all that though I vote we [Prepare a gift] so we don't look like a buffoon in front of Stannis.
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>>3068022
>[Write-in]: Something else?
Why don't we do all both? Stannis seems like a practical kind of guy and he only wants his ship prepared, it's the people around him who will look sideways if we don't keep up appearances. Especially other Northerners given the whole guest right hospitality thing. So first off we need to throw a feast of some kind, you don't receive royalty without one, it's just not done. However our fief is kind of dingy and depressing and even if we throw money around it's gonna be tight on such short notice. Plus we don't even have a proper dock to host a fleet.

If we get a favor from Wyman we could host the Prince in White Harbour instead and bring the Long Night to him along with a gift of some kind. If he then wants to visit our kingdom and tour the powder mill we can do that as well and have a more low-key visit away from the crowds. Stannis might even be a little grateful that we saved him from sitting through two feasts in a row.

For the gift we bring with us I'd suggest fireworks, something we can make on short notice. As a bonus they also have potential military applications. For Wyman's favour I dunno, compass tech is an option, we can think of something later. We can also chip in some money to fund the feast.
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>>3068162
Everyone is expected to prepare a feast for the royalty if they come visiting, that's basic etiquette among the highborn.
If Eddard Stark came visiting, you'd also be expected to prepare a feast.
Now, you could try to intercept him and try to get him to NOT come to your Castle.

This is sort of where Wyman Manderly comes in.
If you can make the claim that "Oh, my castle is so shitty, it's not fit for receiving royalty, so we sorta arranged the reception at White Harbor with Manderlys." you can be excused even if he does in the end decide to show up at your castle and survey your lands.
Of course, you'd owe Manderly a favor for him covering your ass like that.

You could also try this without Manderly, but you will be in breach of etiquette if he does in the end feel like coming to your lands. Still, you could try to delay Stannis whilst he's in White Harbor and give your lads time to make preparations to buy stuff from the market for a modest feast.
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>>3068369
>Everyone is expected to prepare a feast for the royalty if they come visiting, that's basic etiquette among the highborn.
>If Eddard Stark came visiting, you'd also be expected to prepare a feast.
This just sounds unnecessarily costly. God damn etiquette and it's hedonistic excesses.

>Of course, you'd owe Manderly a favor for him covering your ass like that.
Aye. Fair enough, it'd be a dick move to make him do it without something in return.

>Still, you could try to delay Stannis whilst he's in White Harbor and give your lads time to make preparations to buy stuff from the market for a modest feast.
...How likely could we get away with that?
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>>3068395
>This just sounds unnecessarily costly. God damn etiquette and it's hedonistic excesses.
Yep, it's like in the beginning of the GoT story where The King travels all the way to Winterfell and his subjects have to foot the bill.

On a side note, now that we have figured out black powder rockets do you think we should branch off into rocket artillery and possible rocket torpedoes? Like that ancient torpedo thing they had on the mythbusters.
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>>3068408
>Yep, it's like in the beginning of the GoT story where The King travels all the way to Winterfell and his subjects have to foot the bill.
Yeah, god damn nobles. Clearly we should get around this by never hosting parties, eating soldier / sailor fare and living a fairly spartan lifestyle of focused militant and scholarly living.

>On a side note, now that we have figured out black powder rockets do you think we should branch off into rocket artillery and possible rocket torpedoes? Like that ancient torpedo thing they had on the mythbusters.
Something along the lines of British Congreve or Mysorean rockets should be possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congreve_rocket

To be honest though, I question if we'd see much interest compared to cannons but they do have benefits.
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>>3068162
>this makes sense to me
See that's the point though, it makes sense to YOU, but in high social status where nobles are all about image they could care less about the reasoning. It has nothing to do with logic, this is how medieval society is. As far as they're concerned, we had royalty send us a notice in advance for their arrival, and did not properly prepare to recieve them, no if, ands, or buts.
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>>3068452
See but that is the thing, all tradition and etiquette has a basis in reason: the reasoning for a massive feast is that it is suppose to impress your lord and show him or her you consider them visiting important / worth celebrating.

It's strange as hell to me though that the two levels of reception are: none and FEAST. I mean, surely we can just prepare a evening of entertainment for the two of us with a decent selection of foods to discuss business and life over. He makes no mention of bringing a large entourage and we lack any courtiers: so the mere concept of a feast is strange, it'd be like a all-you-can-eat buffet for half-a-dozen people.
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Why don't we see if we can develop a Greek Fire or Napalm type substance when we get some spare time?
If only to show how worthless Wildfire is.
Obviously the uses are limited with gunpowder in our arsenal but it's a possible side project at least.
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>>3068471
>See but that is the thing, all tradition and etiquette has a basis in reason
At first sure, and the hospitality aspect has pretty obvious reasoning, but that ignores the hundreds of years of tradition that generally push the tradition to be just as important, if not more than, the reason it's done, because that's the way it's been done for generations. Like I said, it's a matter of saving face, people will talk even if we have good reasoning behind it.
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>>3068471
Also fair point.
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>[Prepare a gift]: Send a Raven to Lord Manderly. I need a favor from him.
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>>3068022
>[Prepare a gift]: Send a Raven to Lord Manderly. I need a favor from him.
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>>3068487
We've already discussed flamethrowers and generally came to the conclusion that they'd be a good idea to develop and that the king would,probably have some interest but Stark might dislike us for developing yet another weapon of war, especially one so universally destructive, deadly and uncontrolled / risky in terms of unintended damage.

>>3068490
Yeah but this could also be a good point to show we don't care about tradition for the sake of tradition but rather act how we act because we think we should or because it is beneficial.

Fact is we're going to be breaking most societal standards going forward: we're going to be disregarding guilds every time we automate and improve an industry; we're going to be selling weapons that reduce knights into dead men reliably and easily; we're going to be raising lower class men and woman that show promise to positions of power.
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>>3068022
>>[Prepare a gift]: Send a Raven to Lord Manderly. I need a favor from him.
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>>3068573
We should build the Night's Watch flamethrowers as well as obsidian bullets or something.
I really want to avoid involving ourselves with magic shit in person.
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>>3068680
>We should build the Night's Watch flamethrowers as well as obsidian bullets or something.
Oh yeah. We're going to be building a god damn armoury for the arrival of the Others. Obsidian shard hand-grenades, incendiary artillery shells, dragon's breath cannon shot, suicide vests (we must accept some losses will occur and denying them to the enemy is prudent.), land mines and so on.

>I really want to avoid involving ourselves with magic shit in person.
I know what you mean, it risks too much. Let's at least take comfort that if we're careful we'll never meet a magi or demon. Though to be fair, if we can "enhance" our soul with magic we should consider it.
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>>3068721
We could also see if we could just generally improve their living standards and their marketing for them so more people join.
Oh also a shipment of compasses might be a nice thing to send the rangers.
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>>3068573
The problem with being an autistic weirdo that gets results and gives no fucks is that only Stannis and maybe Robert would appreciate us in that way. We are still sworn to the Starks and we have to uphold their laws and traditions even if we came from the Reach originally. So it's fine if we act like this to people like Stannis in private, but we still have to maintain our image to everyone else. Otherwise we will eventually become that autistic hermit lord with vast amounts of economic and military power that no one fully trusts or understands.

>>3068721
Blunderbusses with obsidian shards would be very effective. No need to fashion them into blades or arrowheads first, you could just mine it in chunks and break it up as needed.
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Just as an aside, muskets have enough Pen to not care about the Others and their magic steel freezing BS. Wights could become more of a problem but they just get Flammenwerfer'd. Also, those events are at least 10+ years away so no worry rn.
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>>3068841
I'm just concerned that we're going to fuck up so massively somewhere we speed everything along by accident somehow.
I'd say it would be better to equip the Night's Watch with decent weaponry as soon as it's battle tested by more people, to help train them and to cut down on them dying to FUCKING wildlings.
Also equipping the rangers with compasses could really help their success rates as if they get totally lost they can just go south.
If we make the Wall a decent place they might not be so understaffed come the time shit hits the fan.
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>>3068767
>We could also see if we could just generally improve their living standards and their marketing for them so more people join.
To be fair, the majority of their standard of living problems are thus: 1) Isolation - Far away from major settlement, no idea what is happening elsewhere in Westeros. 2) The cold - it is fucking freezing. 3) The company - Many people in the Nights Watch are criminals.

Most of these we can't easily affect. I mean we can make heating and trains but that doesn't change the fact the NW is an unpayed, dangerous, boring and unappreciated position far from family, friends and basically anything.

>Oh also a shipment of compasses might be a nice thing to send the rangers.
Agreed.

>>3068797
>The problem with being an autistic weirdo that gets results and gives no fucks is that only Stannis and maybe Robert would appreciate us in that way. We are still sworn to the Starks and we have to uphold their laws and traditions even if we came from the Reach originally. So it's fine if we act like this to people like Stannis in private, but we still have to maintain our image to everyone else.
>Otherwise we will eventually become that autistic hermit lord with vast amounts of economic and military power that no one fully trusts or understands.
I kinda agree but I think you are misunderstanding my goal. See, I don't want to be a hermit rather I want to travel and talk to people. As to being autistic, I think your underestimating just how much we can get away with and how weird of a concept it is to not uphold every tradition. Especially if we explain ourselves well.

Also if we are that powerful, then I'd expect others to put up with our oddities. If they are so pompous or foolish as to ignore a useful ally because they are weird, then chances are we won't want to support them.

>Blunderbusses with obsidian shards would be very effective. No need to fashion them into blades or arrowheads first, you could just mine it in chunks and break it up as needed.
Aye but the lack of range could prove annoying.

>>3068841
True but having a wide range of ideas is for the best just in case OP has the Others not care about bullet wounds or at least tolerate a few.

>>3068893
>I'm just concerned that we're going to fuck up so massively somewhere we speed everything along by accident somehow.
That is unlikely.
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>>3068985
Hmmm.
Well if we ever get rich enough we could see about a transit system for The Wall.
Partially related but what sorts of sports exist in Westeros?
Can we invent football/soccer, basketball or cricket or do they have equivalents?
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>>3069090
>Well if we ever get rich enough we could see about a transit system for The Wall.
To be fair it'd be a logical investment: you can have non-wall troops come and relieve them from Wildling attack if your trains are fast enough potentially. Not to mention if we've got trains then chances are Westeros will under go the same event as in the real world, Train madness was a terrible and brilliant economic force.

>Partially related but what sorts of sports exist in Westeros?
Dunno. I don't think it's ever really brought to focus.
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>>3069112
Why don't we introduce Chess and Checkers to Westeros?
It's an entertaining activity for the time and Cyvasse isn't spreading about Westeros yet.
Let's one-up Not!chess by introducing the real thing.
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>>3069156
That could work. To be honest there are a range of modern ideas / games we could introduce.
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Introduce D&D :P
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>>3069178
I did consider saying we could introduce something like that but chances are people would ask why we're emulating reality so closely. Also clearly if we're going to introduce any, we should make steampunk shadowrun.
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>>3069090
We could modernize the wall to a hilarious degree, the only question is if it's politically/economically feasible to do so. They don't have much to offer, though they have no lack of wood and land. They could make charcoal for us, but then there's the shipping an manpower issue. But a fully manned Wall with gunpowder weapons and a railway backing it up would be virtually impregnable short of magic.

>>3069156
That would be fun but hard to profit from since you can play both games with simple proxies, or even rocks.
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>>3069201
>They don't have much to offer, though they have no lack of wood and land.
If only they were a closer, then that land would be far more useful. Although I suppose we could slowly trade masses of land until we get something connecting to or nearby the rest of our holdings.
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>>3069201
I'm more concerned with making more recreational activities, profit is nice and all but we don't need to monopolize literally everything.
We can introduce Checkers/Draughts so even the idiot peasants can play boardgames.
Currently the list of fun things to do in Westeros is limited to Jousts, killing and fucking.
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>>3069264
There was that one game we were good at, we encountered back in our previous life at that one lord's holding.

>Currently the list of fun things to do in Westeros is limited to Jousts, killing and fucking.
Also non-lethal fighting, animal fighting, drinking, drugs, eating and music / dramas.
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>>3069273
And the Night's Watch can do like two of those things.
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>>3069283
To be fair, in the show they remark that they don't go after people that go by horse to a nearby town for whores and drink. So they can do that too.
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Avoiding the War of the Five Kings should be easy as fuck if we get on either Ned or Bobby B's good side.
The whole Cersei situation would be resolved very simply with Robert alive.
All you really need to do is tell Ned what he's trying to find out.
Or will shit kick off later anyway?
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>>3069345
>Or will shit kick off later anyway?
Eh, war is inevitable in Westeros, it's just a question of where, why, who and when. Would another war occur in our lifetime? Possibly not.
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If we're talking about the Wall already, we should speak to Stark / Lord Commander and see if we can set up a small base in that area. For all we know, gunpowder doesn't fire in that kinda weather and we should start experimenting asap
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>>3068767
The problem with the Nights Watch is it removes all the traditional reasons why a man might fight or go to war. Leaving only honor but they also remove the benefits that honor functions in a normal society. It's basically go fuck off to the middle of nowhere forever oh and we're sending you a bunch of criminals there your equals now
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Just to bring things into perspective, the Wall is over 1000 miles away. Even *if* we had the resources to build a railway, the costs - both time and money - would be ridiculous. Furthermore, to do this for charcoal is ludicrous, seeing as we can just get that from literally any neighbour. And trading land over such a distance is a fools errand in itself.

Having them train with muskets is fine, however we need to find an actual trade good we want from them in return. Personally looking at shit from beyond the wall, animal hides/tusks and the like.
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>[Prepare a gift]: Send a Raven to Lord Manderly. I need a favor from him.

I'm getting a vibe from Manrel that he isn't likely to dick us over in favour of Conclave.
However, he might be liable to jewing other members of our court to his benefit.
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>>3070902
Too bad we can't trade them for wildlings who want to live on this side of the ice. Of course that means we have to educate the Savages. And we all know how we feel about savagery
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>>3071058
We should focus on actually educating peasants rather than rapers and thieves from beyond the wall.

It's not like our people are literate either. We should build some schools for increasing loyalty of our peasants, getting prestige and improved quality of life.

In fact, I'd argue building a school in every settlement so we can have a literate workforce.
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>>3071127
School in the Town, no point elsewhere. We lack money and teachers, even though we have an assload of books.

QM, could we add a public library to the townhouse (with the 100 basic books we got) without expending a "holding" slot since its literally just a room with some chairs and tables and a dude to oversee it? Say 2 Wealth?
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It's funny, thousands of years in an ice cold shithole and apparently nobody has ever thought to make Ice Cream as far as I can tell.
We should make Ice Cream.
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>>3070231
>For all we know, gunpowder doesn't fire in that kinda weather and we should start experimenting asap
Guns are fairly reliable against cold, it's more so moisture that screws with them. Still, you have a point. If it gets too cold the barrels would potentially crack (over time) from the sudden change in heat.

>>3070902
>Just to bring things into perspective, the Wall is over 1000 miles away. Even *if* we had the resources to build a railway, the costs - both time and money - would be ridiculous.
Agreed but it would potentially prove useful. Especially if we set up industry along it's length: fact is the further north you go the less mining, logging and hunting has been done in the entire existence of humanity in Westeros meaning the mineral deposits and wild life are more plentiful. Only problem is the isolation makes them harder to extract usefully but a train would help resolve that.

>Furthermore, to do this for charcoal is ludicrous, seeing as we can just get that from literally any neighbour.
True.

>And trading land over such a distance is a fools errand in itself.
True but even a tiny amount of land holds great value for us given the fact we are already running low for space.

>Personally looking at shit from beyond the wall, animal hides/tusks and the like.
I agree that those goods are certainly something we should trade for. Mammoth tusks, seal skin and other such goods would be useful in creating luxury "noble guns" that function as much as art pieces as they do weapons.

>>3071025
An accurate assessment. Fact is the Conclave can do little to benefit him. We on the other hand represent a brand new noble house with an otherwise unheard of product.

>>3071127
>We should focus on actually educating peasants rather than rapers and thieves from beyond the wall.
To be fair, a large portion of them ain't those things.

>It's not like our people are literate either. We should build some schools for increasing loyalty of our peasants, getting prestige and improved quality of life.
Agreed but the issue is if it has benefit and if the people can / will spare the time for it.

>>3071352
>We should make Ice Cream.
Agreed. We can make berry flavours but nothing like chocolate, vanilla or such. Although mint should be possible without too much issue. A good use of our herb garden holding even.
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>>3071357
I mean we literally cant make such a railway without Stark splurging and the whole North contributing. And the problem with land trading is the distance. Either we trade with hundreds of people for years or ww try and swindle someone up close. Either way, final cost is the same as buying from our neighbour.
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Did we ever figure out if oil even exists at all?
Are we gonna have to go full steampunk?
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>>3071388
Exists since its a version of the real world. Also QM confirmed. But fuck if we know where.
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>>3071390
That's helpful to know.
When will we get the time to create dynamite for mining (and war) applications?
Could really help us gather resources.
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>>3071393
Building oil industry is too expensive and we havent the time. Probably use whale oil.
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>>3071393
Dynamite requires Nitroglycerine, too dangerous for now.

>>3071395
Whale oil is fairly viscous, machines would need to tolerate that fact.
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>>3071320
What possible benefit would that serve when the amount of literate people is less than 7% in your region.
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>>3071399
To be fair, I suggested creating such a facility where entry would require a "subscription fee" that would be used to maintain and expand it as a public good and as a source of income / control.

Also only less than 7%? Holy shit that is actually quite good considering the rural nature of our region and the tech level.
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>Facial
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>Chubby buddy
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>>3071405
Whoops, one of those links isn't meant to be there, oh well.
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>>3071401
To be entirely fair, much of those people came with you.
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Has Joffrey been born yet?
I want to ruin Cersei's day as soon as possible.
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>>3071409
Wait, our sailors were literate?
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>>3071415
Captain Tallon and his gentlemen cultured pirates.
(I know we weren't pirates)
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>>3071414
when Joffrey IS born I swear I want to be a good influence on him during the years to come and teach him to be a decnt and redeemable person, minimize the damage that Roberts bad parenting brings about.
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>>3071417
To be fair, we were a privateer. Which is pretty much a pirate-turned-soldier.

>>3071421
That would be the best outcome. If we can get his ear, we can prevent him turning into a cunt.
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> Request a favor

"Tobias, prepare a raven. I need a message sent to White Harbor on the hour. I will no doubt owe a favor to Wyman for this, but I've currency aplenty for such dealings."
"Yes my Lord."

You quickly scribble down a note about how due to a simple filing error, you require a favor from him to help save face, stating that if he does this for you, you will make it worth his while.

Once the letter was done, you roll it to a small metal container, which you seal with wax, stamping the Aquila Imperialis upon it.

"Right, that takes care of that. We've now at least three days to get ready until I must make way to White Harbor. Ser Dan, Ser Bodrin, make sure the Long Night is presentable by then. I'd rather the prince be satisfied with his purchase. Until then, I must figure out something to prepare as a gift during these few days."

> Choose one:
> [Warhorse]: A spare Garron from Outriders that's trained to not be afraid of Black Powder.
> [Fireworks]: You prepare a box of rockets along with your firework launcher. Useful for signaling.
> [Double Barreled Flintlock]: You scavenge the locks from few of the muskets of your garrison and rush to get the Barrel and Stock ready.
> [Your Rifle] The Finest shooter in the known world, it's accuracy unrivalled.
> [Write-in]
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>>3071439
> [Warhorse]: A spare Garron from Outriders that's trained to not be afraid of Black Powder.

As expensive as this is, it's not exactly irreplaceable. Plus it encourages him to buy a gun.
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>>3071421
Robert is only half the problem....not sure Cersei would allow us to talk to Joffrey without being around.
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>>3071442
Eh, we can deal with her. Fact is we've got a decade to fix Westeros enough that the nation doesn't descend into anarchy, war and betrayal. Just long enough to defeat the Wights and Others then they can do whatever the hell they want.
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>>3071439
> [Fireworks]: You prepare a box of rockets along with your firework launcher. Useful for signaling.

Most useful
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>>3071439
>[Fireworks]: You prepare a box of rockets along with your firework launcher. Useful for signaling.

By far the most useful gift for the guy in charge of the royal navy.
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>>3071439
> [Fireworks]: You prepare a box of rockets along with your firework launcher. Useful for signaling.
Least amount of hassle with the most amount of tactical gain. Fastest ship and naval signalling? Hello! Also demonstrates another use for powder Mannis might like to throw money at.
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>>3071439
>Fireworks
IIRC weren't our cannons used for signalling in one battle?
The ability to tell basically all of your soldiers to do something is a very useful ability indeed, especially for an actual strategist like Stannis.
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>>3071439
>fireworks
Anything else either makes us look cheap or desperate
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>>3071415
About a quarter of them were. Dan and Bodrin are literate for one as are all five Maesters and their assistants.
Reach Garrison also has few literate men.
Other literate men tend to be a septon, healers, store owners, Mayor Tarner, his officials along with few other prominent citizens.

Maybe around 50 people or so actually know how to read and most of them work for you.
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>>3071443
We could basically destroy the Lannisters if Joffrey's origin is revealed before it all goes to shit.
That's two cases of treason on this reign and on the last.
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>>3071462
Would it be plausible to instigate social reform like schooling and breaks in the work day in our mines? Also some work chants for work? Push to keep the dark from coming, you know?

Like the kids are educated from morning to noon bya aid person, likely a preacher or the most educated person in the village, and then join their parents at what ever work they while the parents are on their hour long break, then they both go to work together!
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>>3071467
a paid person*

I wanna be Charlemagne something fierce.
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>>3071467
You can build a school holding to a settlement tile.
Of course, if you just have 1 shool holding it will be like in africs where they gotta walk for hours to go to school, so most won't do it.

Also yea, you can set up like standard working hours, but you'd sorta need clocks for that.
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>>3071467
Also if you want the benefits of the clergy offering education, you do need to get tight with the faith.
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>>3071462
>Maybe around 50 people or so actually know how to read and most of them work for you.
I mean that is a small group but still fairly significant. Especially since you mention store owners and such. We could point out we have 100 books from the Citadel on the basics of various disciplines, meaning if they intended to send a son there for learning, they could study here at first and travel south for their exams / higher studies if needed.

>>3071466
True.

>>3071467
>Would it be plausible to instigate social reform like schooling and breaks in the work day in our mines?
Having a break in the work in the mines is almost certainly already a thing. Simply because of the intense labour / conditions. What we could do is see about creating a canteen attached to entrance or even carved a distance into the mine where a few of the miners wives / daughters can work.

>Also some work chants for work? Push to keep the dark from coming, you know?
You have excellent taste. Also to boost productivity, we could look into doing shift-labour and having rewards (e,g a day off, a bonus or an extended break) for the shift that does the most.

>>3071468
>I wanna be Charlemagne something fierce.
A good goal.

>>3071483
>Also if you want the benefits of the clergy offering education, you do need to get tight with the faith.
We defended the innocent in a war almost at the cost of dying to the Mountain, the hell else do they want?
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>>3071490
>almost at the cost of dying to the Mountain
Funny way to spell "almost at the cost of putting a hole the size of a dinnerplate in Gregor's chest with a fucking naval cannon"
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>>3071490
>>3071498
I think nothing short of full on conversion would satisfy them.

Also my dudes can't we just have like, primary schools in each village like in ye olden 19th century? With the chalk boards and corporal punishment?
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Keep in mind we currently have one small town with some 700 people and a bunch of houses spread all over the rest of our land. No villages, nothing. Setting up a public library with someone in charge is great, building a school requires a holding slot we desperately need for other things (the system is whack).

As to reforms, food is probably handled at home (meat hand pie style) and we dont need extensive social reforms when we know jack shit about civics and dont even have clocks or space to build public works. Leave that for later.

Clergy education is an option, but probably also needs a sept so no go with the current land problems.
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We need to invent/spread the use of concrete to cut down on these ridiculous building times.
Won't be hard to invent it either, and we can insert steel rods for reinforced concrete.
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>>3071498
True but I doubt the king would've taken well to that.

>>3071512
We lack the centralised village structure needed for that. We're in a region that is basically farmhouses and small towns with nothing in-between. As to conversion, we are already a public follower of the seven.

>>3071523
>Keep in mind we currently have one small town with some 700 people and a bunch of houses spread all over the rest of our land. No villages, nothing. Setting up a public library with someone in charge is great, building a school requires a holding slot we desperately need for other things (the system is whack).
To be fair, we're close to the next level of population which would grant us a different description and shit. So it's not like we can't have that. Also I agree the system is weird as shit.

>As to reforms, food is probably handled at home (meat hand pie style) and we dont need extensive social reforms when we know jack shit about civics and dont even have clocks or space to build public works. Leave that for later.

>Clergy education is an option, but probably also needs a sept so no go with the current land problems.
True.

>>3071530
I think you are overestimating the ability of concrete to change construction times. Especially when any large amount of it would require the construction of a production chain, something which takes time, money and land that we can't spare easily.
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>>3071530
Limestone mortar is a thing. For Portland cement we need to understand that it needs silicates and gypsum. Clay is not rare while gypsum may be known as alabaster in not!medieval times.

Basically, we dont know *how* exactly to make it but the ingredients are not too hard to come by for experimentation.
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>>3071534
A shit I forgot one,
>As to reforms, food is probably handled at home (meat hand pie style)
Although meals may be handled at home, we can provide hot, fresh (both things a meal prepared early in the day won't be) and cheap food like thick soup and such to the miners, potentially at a lower cost using less labour thanks to centralising shit.

At the very least we can construct a proper canteen somewhere in the mines for them to eat and relax in as a benefit of working for us.

>and we dont need extensive social reforms when we know jack shit about civics and dont even have clocks or space to build public works. Leave that for later.
We have a decent knowledge of civics from our studies in the citadel and we have our counsel to assist us in areas where we might lack knowledge. We do however lack the funds / space to mess around with such projects for now.
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>>3071534
The fluff and mechanics are separate. Even if we reach 21 Pop, nothing changes for us mechanically.

The more we dip into actual industrialization and densely-populated factory-cities the more the system breaks down. Fun times ahead. A city the size of KL can support a whopping 6 factories.
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>>3071539
Building a canteen into the dusty mines of medieval times is possibly one of the worst things we could do to them. Also, not like the women will suddenly become free to work somewhere else if they dont need to cook for hubby in the morn. We are not at that point yet man.
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>>3071534
>>3071523
It's not the the system is whack, it's just so ingrained in feudalism that any alternative sounds nigh impossible. We need to centralize the populace into more easily manageable towns and cities, with everything following to accomodate the change. Think like King's landing. It's got a residential quarter, trade district, and historically serves as the center for Westerosi politics.

We should focus on a long lasting feature, like Industry and Trade, and have the surrounding town follow a model to optimize these. Bring villages closer together to form a populated center, maybe incentivise with tax deductions or rewards, then building industry and education close to itwitht the appropriate inferastructure. Finally a trade district so as to attract more skilled labour and tradesmen.

Anons have a point, steel works and concrete wpuld go a LONG way. Just imagine everyone reacting the a concrete and steel reinforced castle.

Also we need a lady something fierce, royals would think we're insane just babbling about "concrete" amd not looking to secure our liniage. Do you think we could haunt our descendants? Curse them with our "Memory Madness"?
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>>3070817
*they're your equals
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>>3071546
We need to learn how to permanently warg into our descendants.
We can have double Immortality.
It probably isn't possible at all. Nevermind possible in this lifetime.
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>>3071395
>>3071396
Doesn't NASA still use Whale oil on some of thier space gizmos since it has a ridiculously low freezing temperature?
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>>3071540
>The fluff and mechanics are separate. Even if we reach 21 Pop, nothing changes for us mechanically.
Personally I'm just assuming OP is going to let us build more than the limit, with population being the limiter.

>>3071543
>Building a canteen into the dusty mines of medieval times is possibly one of the worst things we could do to them.
Only if we are foolish and place it near where they are still digging. If we construct a wood-roofed, bare-walled room then it would be preferable to their current conditions of digging and eating in essentially the same area.

>Also, not like the women will suddenly become free to work somewhere else if they dont need to cook for hubby in the morn. We are not at that point yet man.
I suppose. Honestly I was more so thinking of using it to employ younger, unmarried, women as a way to put them in contact with the partly young and unmarried male mining population so as to encourage certain behaviours.

>>3071546
>It's not the the system is whack, it's just so ingrained in feudalism that any alternative sounds nigh impossible.
We were talking about the holding limitations system, not feudalism.

>We need to centralize the populace into more easily manageable towns and cities, with everything following to accomodate the change. Think like King's landing. It's got a residential quarter, trade district, and historically serves as the center for Westerosi politics.
I mean we could do that but it would probably prove unpopular unless we can give a good reason. Although if the services provided are significant enough that might draw people to it.

>Anons have a point, steel works and concrete wpuld go a LONG way. Just imagine everyone reacting the a concrete and steel reinforced castle.
It would if we had the resources to set up a production line.

>Also we need a lady something fierce, royals would think we're insane just babbling about "concrete" amd not looking to secure our lineage.
Most of the reason for that is the more powerful we become the further up the ladder we can climb.
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>>3071543
>Building a canteen into the dusty mines of medieval times is possibly one of the worst things we could do to them.

That's what pasties are for! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty
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>>3071556
Im 90% sure he wont give us a free pass any time soon. Not until we start getting into really efficient industrial era factories.

Why not just have them gtfo the mine for lunch break? Far less dust and far more clean air. Nice break as well.

And yes, reason we didnt get hitched right away was the prospect of getting a better ho for the marriage game. Dat dowry.
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>>3071579
>Im 90% sure he wont give us a free pass any time soon. Not until we start getting into really efficient industrial era factories.
Yeah but it's not like factories are even that big. I mean if we were building farms or shit then it would make sense but we aren't.

>Why not just have them gtfo the mine for lunch break? Far less dust and far more clean air. Nice break as well.
Takes them longer to get out and in, meaning they need a longer break. Assuming it takes them 10 minutes to get in and out every day with a mine workforce of 50 men, that is 500 minutes per shift and 2500 minutes per week assuming a five day workweek which it almost certainly isn't. 2500 minutes is 41 hours and 40 minutes which means over the course of a year (which is luckily the same length as in Westeros) we lose 2166 hours and 36 minutes of work. Increasing to a six day work week raises it to 2599 hours and 55.2 minutes of work.

Minor savings of time, when you pay for a days labour rather than by the hour, result in decent returns long term.

>And yes, reason we didnt get hitched right away was the prospect of getting a better ho for the marriage game. Dat dowry.
Basically. That and the hopes of getting a marriage to an actually important family so we can get involved in shit more easily.
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>>3071585
Who would be the ideal marriage candidate for this time period?
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>>3071646
Honestly? That depends on what we want. We should be considering the family's history, allies, lands, wealth, debts, forces and reputation. Not to mention the actual girls traits and behaviours: a shy girl would prove useless if we are looking for someone to act as a diplomat / public face and a waif of a thing would potentially die far too easily in the conditions of the north yet a gregarious woman would prove a risk, given they'd grow bored without company to entertain them and a overly masculine wife would be a disgrace against us. Not to mention if they are a bit too open as to the details of our comings and goings or if they are more loyal to their house than husband.

Give me an idea of what you want and I can think of a few candidates or describe what region / social class we'd be looking for.
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>>3071661
Anon, please stop trying to get us to marry the first female outside of our family we have spoken to for the last 20 something years.
>>3071652
I have no idea honestly, we'd probably want somebody from an influential family though.
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>>3071585
but with explosives they have to go out of the mine during blasting as not to get caught in a cave in.
they can have breaks during that time
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>>3071548
The Perils of using voice to text
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>>3071685
I'm more concerned with the fact that she's pretty much the only non-family female we've talked to since we struck out at that bar
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>>3071702
I'm sure our family are even more worried.
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>>3071685
Well anon I'll try and explain what our general options are: Either we marry local in the north, maximising the relative benefits in terms of prestige and influence (because of a greater local impression + marrying into the north) but potentially limiting our other gains given a lack of options, or we look further afield to the other kingdoms, places where even the mightiest of families might struggle to send relief in times of war but in times of peace make far better in-laws by being able to provide far more support. We could marry a lowborn but doing that would be disgraceful and foolish unless their family was insanely rich / powerful or they were genuinely special: a mage or such.

Personally I'd place my focus in terms of a marriage thus: land; population; wealth; power; influence. Given our guns make combat easy and influence is such a fickle currency. Far better to focus on more material gains of gold, peasants and villages.

Consider this woman for example:
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jonelle_Cerwyn

Her brother and father (that fine man we hunted with) both die in the coming wars, leaving her the only listed member of their family. Meaning all their lands, wealth, titles and so on pass to her. They are however a major banner family of the Starks so we'd need to provide a damn good reason why they should let us marry her but given there is a male heir, it's not as bad as if she was their only child.


>>3071695
Depends on the size of the mine but, aye, I suppose they do have to evacuate somewhat while blasting occurs. Going all the way to the surface might be a bit excessive.
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>>3071708
As I understand it the only members of our family who doesn't think we're gay is our brother who's still have convinced we are insane autistic Magic Man. And our sister who is just enamored with the legend of us
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>>3071728
I mean he did tell the rest of our family we're just disinterested.

>insane autistic Magic Man
Oh no, at this point he is certain we are entirely sane which is all the more horrifying because that means we know / knew the future and shit.
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>>3071720
The fact that they both die in coming wars is now irrelevant to us.
We've made a large impact already and the butterfly effect could change everything.
We shouldn't gamble on the future going the way it does in canon as we've changed far too much already.
Even if Robert dies then Eddard might still be able to evade capture with a regiment of Stark gun infantry at his Kings Landing Residence with a pistol or two of his own.
Then it's the North + Stannis (with guns) vs The Crown.
Renly and the Islands are both irrelevant.
Worst case scenario we have a sniper assassinate Joffrey if Ned gets captured just before Joffrey announces Ned's execution.
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>>3071737
To be fair. I know our entire history and some of the inner workings of our mind. And I'm not entirely convinced we're not an insane autistic Magic Man. If only because our magic is resurrection or whatever
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>>3071720
We will never get her with our current standing. Maybe once we have an airplane going.

Also, a novek idea is marrying someone from the Reach (since our family is more known and thus more prestigious = better options) with a merc company, outfitting them with guns and making a profit that way + popularizing our merch so we dont lack markets to sell to (maybe even at premium price if the company does well).
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>>3071728
To be fair our legend is fairly accurate as far as legends go.
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Best choice
1. Last of her family will care only about this land
2. Don't get pull into someone's else conflicts
3. Secured ownership over land
4. Right next door
5. Already met her
6. Quick resolution we avoiding 100 posts squabbling over which hoe to pick
7. "It's free real estate"
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>>3071741
I know but to be fair, all we've done thus far is give Stannis a single ship with cannons and 40 matchlocks. At this point, based off my terrible knowledge of the show, that shouldn't change too much given Stannis loses most of his fleet and troops attacking King's landing.

Plus I was just giving an example. There are almost certainly other women we could look into.


Although I do agree, our ability to predict the future is only going to get worse from here on. At best we can isolate the guns somewhat by relying on gunpowder blasting as the main income stream.
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>>3071746
1. Thus no claims.
2. No political pull. Literal dead weight.
3. Ownership secured already by decree from Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell.
4. Under Manderly control. We will be indebted to Manderly for her.
5. Met her, seen she is shit, disregarded her.
6. "Why work hard for maximum gain when we can have a placeholder that does nothing?"
7. Literally no free real estate.
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>>3071748
Eh, unless we literally shell out thousands of guns to Ned and Mannis it wont change much. However, telling Mannis about Tyrions little trick might be a good idea.
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>>3071748
If we want to pick a side we can easily change the outcome of the Battle of the Blackwater.
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>>3071746
I agree. Best waifu amongst our exactly 1 candidates.
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>>3071743
>We will never get her with our current standing. Maybe once we have an airplane going.
I'd argue once we are supplying the crown with a few barrels of gunpowder a month and are thus a massively influential, if actually powerless, and rich house they'd at the very least be interested in seeing if they can't secure our monopoly on gunpowder production for their own family.

I'd remind you, the Cerwyn family lacks any sorts of distinguishing reason to be a major banner family besides their power and loyalty. What we'd be offering is reliable access to deadly weapons that far outclass most others, weapons that make castles a weak defence and the ability to always have the ear of the king / master of ships as well as a strong economic product. If we manage to develop and trial one or two more major developments: steam engines for example; then I'd expect them to at least hear us out given we're bringing massive potential benefits for their family to the table beyond what most marriages might.

>>3071752
Basically. She has literally nothing to offer us besides her body and we have little want for that.

>>3071754
True. Honestly part of me thinks we should avoid getting too involved in the war besides selling arms and maybe a merc company for the Starks.
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>>3071760
Fair enough, though they are still big enough to consider hooking us up with the daughter of one of their vassals though. We have to pull some major shit to get directly into the family.
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>>3071761
True but consider what we are offering: gunpowder; boomsticks, fast mining and land clearing, the ability to defeat any castle, etc.
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>>3071699
What a magical future wonderland we live in.
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>>3071760
I don't know, appearing out of nowhere in Kings Landing with a unit of men and pulling a rescue off out of nowhere would very easily make us a hero to The North, if not a living legend.
The less soldiers that die in the wars the more people we will have to deal with the Others.
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>>3071784
With a codpiece that proficiently stuffed we could ask for anything
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>>3071784
>I don't know, appearing out of nowhere in Kings Landing with a unit of men and pulling a rescue off out of nowhere would very easily make us a hero to The North, if not a living legend.
True but would it get us land, fortune and power? I'm all for it but I'd worry about how suspicious it is that we just so happened to know what was happening and were in position to save him.

>The less soldiers that die in the wars the more people we will have to deal with the Others.
Honestly numbers isn't a problem. It's getting people to focus on it.
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>>3071784
Well, picture the Zeppelin overhead and plate mail Shock troops dropping down.
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>>3071797
How much weight can a zeppelin actually carry? That seems like a real concern. Also aren't we going with regular airplanes rather than SS Waffen Style zeppelins I mean I'm alright with King's Landing getting blitzed I'm just wondering if it's not what we're doing
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>>3071792
>would it get us land, fortune and power
Why do you think it won't?
Heroes are well rewarded provided that their side wins.
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>>3071808
Well, the thing is that once you have engines powerful enough for airplanes, Zeppelins are just an airbladder away. As to carry weight, yeah, that beast in the pic wont happen. However sticking a couple cannon turrets and a bomb bay on a zeppelin is completely doable. Cargo weights of 10 tons (in addition to crew and luggage etc.) was not uncommon in late-era zeppelins.
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>>3071808
We're working on proper planes but to be fair, airship carriers for airplanes were a thing and lord knows we should have a sky-castle.

>>3071809
I suppose.
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>>3071837
Zeppelins as aircraft carriers would be a single lane and a one-way deal, needing a landing to pick it up again. In my mind, not worth it, since with no opposition in the air we can cruise about at our leasure. fastest thing around either way.

Also, pic related for some cool/utterly retarded zeppelin concepts.
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>>3071467
>Would it be plausible to instigate social reform like schooling and breaks in the work day in our mines?
Yeah, even basic education for sums/hygeine/food safety/preservation and OSHA work practices would go a long way to improving the lives and productivity of our people. Maybe not right now but for later it would be a nice "force multiplier" for when we have a larger population/industry.

>Also some work chants for work? Push to keep the dark from coming, you know?
We should come up with some kind of Litany in the same vein as "fear is the mind killer" to keep morale up. We could have slightly different versions that invoke the imperium, the Seven or the northern gods so everyone can participate without being (too?) heretical.

>>3071530
Concrete is really just super-mortar. You still need a source of rock, limestone for lime, sand and vast amounts of water to make your mix. The problem is that all of these things are extremely heavy and most castles are built on or next to a quarry to minimize the transport costs. If we do get to this point we should reserve it for fort construction, it wouldn't improve regular old buildings enough compared to existing masonry to be worth the effort.

If you want to improve general construction a good half step would be to make a more efficient and reusable kiln for bricks and tiles. These are one of those medieval things like nails that are a pain in the ass to make because you have to do it by hand and firing them takes a ton of fuel.
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>>3071840
Actually there were american aircraft airships which could and did perform pickups of aircraft in flight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron-class_airship

Only problem is these are form 1935 so we're really pushing the limit on what technology we can achieve. Given just how big they need to be and shit.
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>>3071851
Thats actually what I was thinking of, but the pickup is probably too finnicky to justify the extra cost/risk, seeing as we lack both appropriate construction means and a real need for scout planes (since armies move slow as fuck anyway).
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>>3071861
Eh, that is true but consider that being able to do this would be kinda useful for getting out of the Capital in a hurry and simply for the ease of use.
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>>3071869
What ease of use? And remember that the airplane has a limited range. Probably cant go past a hundred something miles. A long way still from home.
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>>3071884
Not having to wait for pickup, being able to go from the craft and back without stopping.
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>>3071886
Marginal benefit at best, considering that the Zeppelin can hover over anything while the plane needs a runway.
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>>3071890
I suppose. Main point is we are agreed on creating a bitching sky-palace and touring Westeros as the pimp-lord Tallon.
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>>3071895
Deal. However we need a mad level of industrial power to pull it off. Not the least due to the H2 production needs and advanced metallurgy to make such a colossus feasible.

Im partial to a Dreadnought as well, although a Zeppelin would be far more baller.
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Let's just start working on a fucking nuke.
Think of the applications!
Dragons?
Nuke.
Whitewalkers?
Nuke.
Those FUCKING DOTHRAKI SAVAGES?
Nuke.
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Wouldn’t we need somewhat qualified workers to work on Zeppelin or Dreadnought?
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>>3071920
Almost certainly. However we can deal with that whenever we are actually considering constructing it rather than joking around.

Plus, we're going to need somewhat educated workers for almost everything we plan on doing, we'll work it out.
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>>3071914
Real question though, how do the chivalrous types feel about committing horrible war crimes on savages like Dothraki or Mountain Clans?
Will our honorubru lord get upset if we roast wildlings with flamethrowers?
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>>3071949
May get pissy. Utilizing cartridge shot on Vale hill tribes? Legit bisnis mien.
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>>3071646
Ideal candidate for Right Now right now? Basically this:
>>3071661
>>3071746
As >>3071720 puts it we stand to gain land, population, wealth, power or influence from any potential marriage. Problem is the higher we aim in a spouse the more obligations we have to their family and the more potential enemies we make.

Land is always useful, but land that isn't connected to our current holdings is likely too far away to manage or defend properly. The only local land we can gain is owned by Wyman, but marrying his ward would bring our families a bit closer without going full vassal. Population isn't a huge deal because once our quality of life improves people will migrate in on their own and we can always ask our parents to send us some skilled reachmen looking for work. We don't need money at the moment and we have many ways of making more money. Etc.

In that regard Airis is the girl next door option. She solidifies our claim on this land and secures our lineage (which other people will worry about even if we don't), especially in the eyes of other northerners. And most importantly she doesn't come with any strings attached and so can be trusted to uphold our interests.

Marrying anyone else (at the moment) doesn't benefit us overly much and could become a problem when war breaks out. Especially if we marry outside of the North.
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>>3071955
Mate stop wae this shite. She donnae gae fuckin anythin and there's a half-dozen better wives in the North for us.
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>>3071955
Yeah but we could easily stop the wars from happening with a few choice moves.
Unless you're saying we plunge Westeros into war for profit, which makes us as bad a person as Baelish.
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>>3071955
Oh for fucks sake.

Anons, get this through your skull:

1) She has literally nothing to offer in terms of resources.
2) She has literally no effect on our legitimacy. Its a deal directly from the highest man in the North. Nobody is changing that.
3) She is NOT FREE. We will owe Manderly a favour. A Big one. She has hooks attached.
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Is Rad kill? Long Live the King?
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>>3071970
Speaking of Littlefinger aren't we headed to the Capital after this?
We should probably start planning for Littlefinger and especially Varys in case either take interest in our activities.
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>>3071968
Half-dozen better wives in the North for us.
Half-dozen sluts only waiting to spy on us
and send our valuable info to the houses sure let's do just that.
>>3071970
We fuck right pussy we stop the war? you serious? XD
>>3071984
1) She has literally nothing to offer in terms of resources.
Yes she does have resources to offer.
Law and population.
2) She has literally no effect on our legitimacy. Its a deal directly from the highest man in the North. Nobody is changing that.
Well if i remember correctly OP stated that marrying her would make northerners not question our legitimacy. So yes it can be questioned. Do you even CK2?
3) She is NOT FREE. We will owe Manderly a favour. A Big one. She has hooks attached.
You wanna say that hoe with living family members gonna have smaller hooks?
A favour that can be dealt with small distillery.
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>>3072008
First off, nice greentexting you fucking pleb.
Second off
>XD
Third off, no you fucking idiot, I'm saying that there will be no War of the Five Kings if we put an effort into changing events in the run up.
Fucking waifufag.
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>>3072008
Whew boi. Seems we have to wheel out the bike helmets.

1) How? Where? She literally lost everything and is a ward of Manderly.
2) No, he said it would appease the grumbling locals. Something we have already done. Also, in Discord, lots more discussion on the topic, she is essentially a useless ho with a somewhat localy known name. Thats it. Nothing else.
3) Hmmm, a wife that cant send letters or messages to her family in the Reach if we dont want her to vs playing bottom bitch to Manderly next door.....
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>>3072008
>Half-dozen sluts only waiting to spy on us and send our valuable info to the houses sure let's do just that.
What is paranoia and idiocy for 200 each Alex?
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>>3072024
I don't know why people care so much about shit like this.
Worst case scenario we die and get revenge in the next life.
We're fucking immortal.
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>>3072015
It almost makes me want to find some random peasant woman who isn't too ugly and declare her our wife bitch just to end this stupid bickering
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>>3072031
We are not immortal. Our former pirate Persona never existed. When we die we don't come back here we go to a whole new Westeros
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>>3072037
And that doesn't change his fundimental point that this is somewhat pointless.
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>>3072015
>1) How? Where? She literally lost everything and is a ward of Manderly.
This
>he said it would appease the grumbling locals

>2) No, he said it would appease the grumbling locals. Something we have already done. Also, in Discord, lots more discussion on the topic, she is essentially a useless ho with a somewhat localy known name. Thats it. Nothing else.

ASOIAF Reincarnation: A Male Powder Fantasy – Thread 17
"One Lady Airis Fullaxe whose hand she was offering to you in marriage. This union could help secure your claim within the region, but it came with the implication that you'd owe him a favor. "

This union could help secure your claim within the region

>3) Hmmm, a wife that cant send letters or messages to her family in the Reach if we dont want her to vs playing bottom bitch to Manderly next door
Yeah ban communication with her family. Great idea
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>>3072051
She's worthless.
We gain nothing from her.
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>>3072062
You are completely right
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>>3072071
All we do is possibly secure our already very secure grasp on our land slightly more.
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>>3072077
Nothing else?
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>>3071968
>>3071984
Look I'm just saying Airis is likely the only option we will ever have that won't come with any strings or ulterior motives. We have big plans and if you want to do things like build a giant dragon killing airship maybe we don't want to be tied to any other house and all of the distractions and obligations that come with that. We already have enough on our plate just working for the crown that we might miss our sister's wedding.

This isn't about waifu wars, taking the easy wife out is a legitimate solution to a problem that's only going to get worse over time. The more prestigious and powerful we become on our own the more other houses will want to put their claws into us, or just see us dead so the other side can't marry us first.

>She is NOT FREE. We will owe Manderly a favour. A Big one. She has hooks attached.
Did you already forget that we JUST decided to owe him a favour because our ability to repay favours is huge? Stop acting like marrying a nobles ward, NOT daughter, (who in your own words has nothing to offer) is like putting a noose around our neck. It's a favour not a debt.

>Also, in Discord, lots more discussion on the topic, she is essentially a useless ho with a somewhat localy known name. Thats it. Nothing else.
>Search Airis on Discord
>First result: "I assume it would be a negative act if I told the anons in the thread to shove Airis up their ass?"
I can tell you from long experience that this shit kills quests. If you want to argue the merits of Airis or anything else you should do it here in the thread where everyone can see.
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I would be down to mary Airis just to agoi divided loyalty and to get others nobles to fuck off our lawn......I honestly don’t care who we mary as long as it is not troublesome for us in the long run, fuck the game of throne.
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>>3072140
>I can tell you from long experience that this shit kills quests. If you want to argue the merits of Airis or anything else you should do it here in the thread where everyone can see.
I'm not really going to comment on the rest of this, I've said my piece, but I must agree. Discords are a cancerous thing.
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>>3072186
It's more about what QM said on discord than it is about discussion between posters.
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>>3072195
I'm uninterested in the actual discussion you are having at this point. I am merely restating my personal opinion that Discord is terrible.
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>>3072223
Oh it's terrible sure but that's besides the point.
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>>3072037
Wait shit seriously? I thought we just go forward in time however many years.
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>>3072037
I mean that kinda defeats the purpose of trying our best for anything if we die and never come back right?
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>>3072320
Nah, not only are we immortal, we're a time manipulating wizard.
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>>3072320
People have been talking about ways to break the cycle or rather to manipulate it in our favor. But nothing has been done to actually do this because we don't even know if it's possible. Also it would almost certainly involve Magic and magic in this planet is scary>>3072327
Bettering our self so that we resurrect as a superior version of our self. Is the main goal dragging the Primitive screwheads to a more comfortable Society is our Hobby
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>>3071490
The Faith might be cucked by Targaryens as they lost their militant branch, but they're not cucked enough to waste their tithes in supporting heathens unless it's proselytizing when there's plenty of faithful who need help.

Besides, if the heathens themselves wanted to enjoy the full benefits of the clergy, all it takes is some words and a septon to convert and it doesn't cost any money.
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>>3071523
You could help migitate a lot of the problems of having holdings on different tiles with a solution which was born when Industrialization started to first happen and people started running out of space to build.
Construct a Public Transportation hub type of holding.

Even if it's not straight up railways from the get-go, having every single holding hooked up with good, safe roads and daily carriages moving between settlements will mean people on the countryside will have far better access to the goods and services of the people in the town.
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>>3071949
I honestly don't think that will be an issue.
Who would speak for the Dothraki or Vale Mountain Clans?
Both have a worse reputation than Iron Islands when it comes to rape, murder, slavery and the like.

From a religious standpoint, nobody really likes them outside of them.
Only ones who would speak out against you in this would likely be people who are intimidated by you and seek to spin a narrative against you, but depending exactly how many bigots agree with you and how much the peasantry love you, this will be a very difficult narrative to push as the pushback would be downright hostile, especially if you acted out in defense of innocents, rather than for conquest and that narrative is easily spun as all you really need to do is to find someone being bullied by Dothraki or Mountain Clans and come to their defense in a righteous war.
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>>3071970
Well, they say war is the engine of progress.
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>>3072718
Access to blasting powder would also make levelling a road network much easier since you can cut new paths instead of winding around every hill. If we make the roads big enough we can retrofit rails to them later and trains don't have to be big to be useful. I've seen examples of mine-cart sized trains used in mines and military forts to move ammo and ore using a narrow track.

Even if we don't have steam engines we can still make use of trains powered by gravity. If you have a large amount of material that needs to move in one direction you can lay a track downhill and let gravity do the work. Getting the carts back to the top could be done by horse if the grade isn't too steep. Alternately you can rope trains together into pairs and use the full one to lift the empty one like an elevator and it's counterweight.
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> Fireworks it is

[1/2]

New type of signaling tools should be useful in his line of work.
You spend the three days making some more rockets and firecrackers for the mortar as well as getting a box ready.

You also received a raven from Manderlys, letting you know that he will gladly help his neighbor to avoid such embarrassment.

After the ship was in tip-top shape, you set sail to White Harbor once again, where you were greeted by Ser Marlon.

"Hail, Lord Arthur! My cousin has been expecting your arrival."
"I take it from the absence of the Royal Fleet, I am not too late."
"You're well in schedule Lord Tallon, no need to worry. Though they should be here this or next week."
You sigh in relief
"Good. If they were ahead of schedule, it would have been a bit embarrassing. Would Lord Wyman mind if we used your drydocks to scrape the barnacles off for when we're to hand over the ship?"
"I am certain he would not mind it in the slightest."
"Good. Ser Bodrin, I leave her in your hands."

The Ship itself was largely still using the same ammo as it had back in the war. Luckily Stannis never took an account on how much powder there was during the war, so you might be able to get away with the stores you had on it.
You weren't going to empty out your castle of what little powder you had made as you'd be defenseless without it.

"I must say, it's a shame to lose such a beautiful ship."
"Aye, the Long Night served me well. Fastest of her class. The Prince best appreciate it. I put a lot of work to making her a reality."
"Come, my cousin awaits."
"Right, could do with a bite to eat."
Ser Marlon and his Knights escorted you to the Merman's Court where they were clearing the table for dinner.
"Ah! Lord Arthur, Welcome, Welcome! It is good to have our co-host finally arrive. I heard of your exploits in Winterfell. Congratulations on securing such a sizable loan. Starks seldom partake in such business."
"Thank you Lord Wyman, it is regrettable that a Lord must resort to such measures in order to alleviate the troubles of his people."
"They say having unpaid debts is a stain on a man's honor here in the North, but enough about that. There's still some time until dinner is ready. What say you we retire to my study and let the servants work?"
"Sure, why not."

The Fat man's throne creaks as he lifts himself up and begins begins to waddle towards the study with you in his tow.
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[2/2]

"So, a filing error was it?"
He says as he sits on a rather comfy looking chair.
"Something along those lines. Sadly the missive was misplaced amongst my private letters, leaving it unopened until last moment."
"Well, these things happen Lord Arthur. It is good that you are sensible enough to ask for help when you need it. Of course, for smoothing things out, you do owe me a favor now don't you?"
"Yes, I suppose I do."
"You said you'd make it worth my while, and I can think of a few ways you could pay me back, but tell me, when you wrote that letter, did you have anything specific in mind?"

> [Ship Research]: "I still have my notes and blueprints from the construction of the Long Night. You have a drydock and access to vast quantities of lumber and labor."
> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather."
> [Cannons]: "I was thinking I'd give you a discount on some cannons once we get them in production."
> [Nothing]: "Well, I was hoping you'd have something in mind?"
> [Write-in]
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>>3072929
>> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather."
Seems most relevant for Lord Manderly
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>>3072929
> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather."
But a limited amount (say 100?) and not the secret to producing them.

Juden
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>>3072929
> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather."
It's practical, unique and potentially extremely profitable if you know how to use one. It's also a fantastic marketing ploy to drum up awareness and demand for our inventions. If we can get to the point where people come to us with problems in need of solutions we have it made.
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>>3072929
> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather

Fuckin magnets, how do they work?
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>>3072929
> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather."
Taking the wording of it I presume we're giving them a set amount free of charge rather than telling him how to make them.

Failing that:
> [Cannons]: "I was thinking I'd give you a discount on some cannons once we get them in production."
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>>3072929
>> [Compasses]: "I can provide your ships with needles that always point to North, allowing them to maintain their bearing in any weather."
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Also, we should look into developing artificial dyes. Given certain colours are extremely expensive / impossible to produce without them, so we could make an entire industry either selling dyes or dyed items.

This in turn would tie in well with creating a mill to process fabrics and keeping herds of animals but we can deal with that on a later date.


Alternatively, we could sell it to Lord Manderly as a source of riches / fame for his city.
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>>3073257
Requires either good chemistry or biology skills, neither of which we have.
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>>3073357
We have decent chemistry skills and I don't know why anons seem so certain we lack any ability to do chemistry.
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>>3073374
We have bare minimum chemistry. the only reason we made aqua regia was a book we read.
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>>3073376
We have two links in alchemy and an understanding of the scientific method.
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>>3073379
Meaning we have the mindset but not the actual knowledge of wtf we are doing. This is like highschool chemistry. You have a vague idea and thats it.

Figuring out the process of making indigo from plants is beyond us right now. At least in any timely manner.
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>>3073403
I disagree with you but find it impossible to provide reasonably provable evidence besides that I already provided. Until such a time as OP intervenes, to side with either or neither of us, we have reached an impasse.
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>>3073003
I'm just happy that magnets work along the same polarity as on Earth it would have made it annoying if the magnetic field of this planet was all inconsistent
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Oh and before I forget again, we should commend Tobias on keeping our mail private but in the future he can open our mail and determine if it has anything to do with our "IP" (since he is the one we trust to keep it secret from the other maesters). If it's "regular" mail he and the council can handle it as normal, but if it's something private he can simply re-seal it with his own mark and then leave it for us when we get back.

If the other maesters prove their loyalty we might consider bringing them into the fold some time in the future, but that's a ways off.
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>>3073683
Seconded.
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>>3073683
Agreed.
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>>3071720
I'll be honest, I see the positives of this marriage and it's a good one all things considered but....it just feels too weird man. Marrying the daughter of a guy we befriended, who'll be half our age? I know it's the norm here but it just feels so weird.
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>>3074502
On the other hand just about every breeding age woman in Westeros is half your age or less
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Aren't we like 80 or something now?
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>>3074781
All lifetimes together. Current one is 20s something.
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>>3074502
Eh, it's honestly fairly normal as noble marriages go. What would be weird is if she was previously married to our brother or something.

>>3074781
Mentally, yes, physically, no. To be fair I think we are about 23 or so currently.
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So a teenage bride would be a quarter of our age.
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>>3073683
>If the other maesters prove their loyalty we might consider bringing them into the fold some time in the future, but that's a ways off.
Agreed. Who knows, if we are successful enough we might even form a competing educational institute to the Citadel. Combine it with a military academy teaching marksmanship, cannoning and demolitions and we're a great place to send a noble son.

Seriously though, part of me does really want to supersede the Citadel, at the very least we can use a printing press and mass produce books for public consumption for profit and educate the occasional northern lad.
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>>3074815
A quarter of our mental age, aye.
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>[Compasses]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bhYMnHb5JY

"Well, I was thinking of giving your ships some compasses as small payback."
"Compasses?"
"A Navigational instrument, essentially a needle that always points towards the North and thus allowing your trade vessels to retain their bearing in misty and cloudy weather.
It also helps in making more accurate charts and maps because it does allow two ships taking off at different times to follow more or less the same path, giving more consistency to travel."
Lord Wyman gives a perplexed look as he lifts his eyebrows
"That sounds a bit far fetched truth be told."
You pull out your personal compass from your pocket and place it on the table and flip the box open.
"I think showing is a bit easier than telling. Go ahead, try rotating it. The Needle will always find it's way North."
He reaches out and rotates it, watching the odd phenomenon.
"That is very strange. How does it work?"
"Well, there is only one moving part. I do not really know how to explain it in any more simple terms than what you can see with your own eyes. You align the arrow where N is and there's your North, South, East and West. As to going by why it works? Well, that would require a crash course on Natural Philosophy, which I do not have the time nor the patience to give. That and it'd be me giving away my trade secrets."
He rotates it in his hands a bit and places it back on table.
"I shall put these the use of my captains and I'll hear for them whether they have use for such things. Though if they end up saving even a single ship from getting lost, I might end up commissioning some more from you."
"Right. I've never had any problems with them and I've not heard complaints from Stannis, so it should be good. I'll prepare a box of twenty once I get home and send the box your way. With that, I expect we'll be even with this matter."
Lord Wyman mulls it over
"I trust there shall not be any trouble then. I think this is a decent enough way to square this affair. Just one question however."
"Alright, go ahead."
"What exactly is this 'Natural Philosophy' you speak of?"
"What do you mean? It's just philosophical study of nature and physical world?"
"and how does philosophical study differ from regular study?"
"Errr...."

Then it hit you. This world was developed without the Greco-Roman era of classical antiquity. There were no great Philosophers in the known world. Instead, that era was replaced with a time of sorcery, blood, fire and myth. Even the concept of City-states had not evolved to Nation-states as of yet.

>"I'm sorry, I don't think I can answer that question. Not yet at least."
>"It's a mere difference of methods of study."
>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)
>Write-in: (What?)
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>>3074865
>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)
It's time to make the world a more civilised place and look big brained while doing so.
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>>3074865
>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)
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>>3074865
>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)

we smart boi
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>>3074865
>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)

We've explained to Cerwyn our world view, lets expand on it a bit and maybe even tell him to ask Cerwyn about what our view on it is.

Also we should see about finding any other studious / scholarly lords in the north we can. Maybe we can form a brotherhood around the study of the world around us and the advancement of Westeros / mankind. Freemason style shit.
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>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)

>tfw we inspire revolt in the seven Kingdoms and split, becoming the first ever city state
Oops.
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>>3074889
>TFW we completely destabilise the economy of the world and it's social order with our technological advances causing a near complete collapse of organised society above the town or city scale leading to a complete lack of resistance against the Others.
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>>3074889
Free cities are city states. What they lack are nation states.
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>>3074892
>tfw we become the only hold out during winter and our gun powder actually turns out to be a viable weapon against the Others

>>3074904
You sure though? Cause regardless of the city/village they live in the populace is bound by a feudal caste, where the Nobles answer to a Right Hand and the Right Hand answers to the king... it's not the MOST interconnected but it's still there.

Also Aerys my dude, is Joffrey born yet?
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>>3074909
Actually he is right. The Free cities have fairly detailed cultural identities because of their nature: Bravos being formed out of runaway slaves and actively celebrating their escape and shit means they have a unifying origin story / mythos for example.
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>>3074909
Feudalism is mainly Westerosi thing and it's looked down upon by Essosi.
Free cities each have power structures as confusing, dysfunctional and varied as you'd expect from city-states.

Braavos may have elections, but who qualifies for what elections and office is another matter entirely. Perhaps we explore that later.
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Also something to note, we should probably get into bee keeping. This might sound like a strange industry but prior to modern designs, removing bees wax or honey would involve destroying or damaging the hive or even killing the bees depending on the model. With modern designs we'd avoid this, resulting in higher productivity with less waste.

Admittedly this is just yet another industry to add to the list of ideas but still, looking for ideas we can sell to other lords to enhance their industry is a good thing.
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>>3074982
Rephrase that to "building honey spinning machines" and you have an actual thing to sell. However, I doubt its profitable enough for us to bother making a separate machine for it. Plus the space issue we are having.
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>>3074995
Oh I know but I'm not saying we should build such an industry, perhaps a single prototype for demonstration / personal use purposes (honey is good shit and bees wax has it's uses), rather we should sell them to lords and merchants who already have established beekeeping industries.
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>>3074865
>"Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)
CITY ON A HILL
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>>3074865
>Fuck it. You should know at least know the very basics of philosophical methods." (Impart the Wisdom of Pythagoras unto him.)
>>Write-in: be the biggest woke nigga this side of the universe, absolutely blow his mind
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Also, hopefully Wyman takes a liking to our compasses. That works to our benefit if we want to sell more to him or the secret of how to make them.
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>>3074982
>>3074995
>>3075029
The problem is how to profit from this. Simply offering a "better" beehive with removable/stackable frames would be a difficult sell because any carpenter that takes one look at the thing could replicate it without much trouble.

Modern beehives use sheets of beeswax with a hex pattern rolled into it to give the bees a starting point. This lets you end up with nice even honeycomb, but making the sheets would be fairly difficult. That could be our recurring revenue stream.
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>>3075862
True. I mean honestly even if we only sell the design to a single lord it would still potentially provide us with a hundred GD at a low bid. Plus, you have to remember how rarely tech spreads in Westeros, even if a lord does start producing them for himself, it is doubtful he will try to sell them on to others because that would give them an advantage / negate his.

Still, you raise a good point about making them a complex pattern of hexes to make them hard to replicate thus providing constant revenue were it not for the fact that means we'd need to produce them which counters the main point of this: not having to establish any industry.
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Also OP, do we have the Lord's right to hunting in our woods or can our smallfolk hunt there without special permission?
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>Fuck it

1000 years later- we've inspired a new religion based on our teachings and are heralded as the true prophet of God
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Give me 4d6 knowledge check to see how well you can tutor Lord Wyman on the subject.
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Rolled 5, 3, 1, 3 = 12 (4d6)

>>3076314
By the power of the Dice gods, SCIENCE!
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Rolled 6, 6, 1, 3 = 16 (4d6)

>>3076314
Math is hard
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Rolled 2, 4, 1, 1 = 8 (4d6)

>>3076314
You gon' lern today.
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Rolled 2, 2, 3, 2 = 9 (4d6)

>>3076314
Rollan' rollan' rollan'

WHAT
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>>3076103
>We kickstart a war of religion in Westeros
>Church of the Seven vs. Talonists
>Our tech id considered miraculous by some but heretical by others and we upset the status quo
>Talonists become an oppressed minority and we become a Christ figure
oh god my sides
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Rolled 4, 3, 1, 2 = 10 (4d6)

>>3076314
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Rolled 1, 5, 2, 1 = 9 (4d6)

>>3076314
Isn't it meant to be best of three why are people still rolling?
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>>3076366
>>3076367
>>3076557
>>3076578
>8 9 10 9
How unusual for a sequence of rolls.
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>>3076578
Cause we like to live dangerously.
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Rolled 4, 6, 3, 6 = 19 (4d6)

>>3076314
Rolling for divinity
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>>3076508
>Our followers hide in plain sight, using secretive signs to declare their allegiance to the Lord-Philosopher Tallon.
>They establish themselves all over Westeros and Essos as powerful merchants, successful mercenaries and so on.
>A hidden network stretching across the entire world, growing in number and influence, gathering strength.
>Secretly they begin construction on a city to meet the expectations of lord Tallon:


>I ask you is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyG0HF2BCRY
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> Fuck it
> 16

[1/2]

"Right. I think I should explain to you the concept of philosophy, the word itself means 'Love of Wisdom' in it's original tongue.
It's a form of academic discipline, which initially focused on study of general and fundamental matters, such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language, but the methods and lines of thought from this form of study also help to function in determining truths about the fundamental truths about the natural world itself."

Lord Wyman raises his eyebrow
"What methods exactly are those you speak of?"

"Questioning, Critical discussion, Rational Arguments and Systematic presentation to name a few. Had we the time, I could go into further detail about the exact way how this process works, but it's simple enough that even a child can come to understand it. It is merely constructive discussion with the goal of reaching a fundamental truth."

"Questioning, Critical discussion, seeking truth. Those are dangerous words you speak Lord Tallon. What does your court's Septon think of you practicing such things?"
"Haven't got one yet, so I wouldn't know."

"Well, let me tell you something. I do not know whether or not it's the Citadel that nurtures this sort of thinking in you, but you best be careful in what you are questioning."

"Oh, you mean like the King's Divine Right to rule and all that? I am not really interested in theological debate and all that or questioning the faith. There is absolutely nothing for me to gain in getting involved in such matters."

"Then, what exactly are you on about?"
"Merely the concept of seeking truth through process of elimination. When all the wrong answers are eliminated, what is left is likely the truth."
"Sounds fairly obvious to me."

"Sounds like that, but when you have to come to terms with the fact that the way you disseminate truth from falsehood is flawed, the result can cause a man some distress."
"What exactly do you mean with this?"
"Well, let's try something. Ask yourself, exactly some things in life are you certain to be true and why do you think that to be the case."
"Well, that is easy. I know you are in front of me because I can see you."
"and why do you think you can trust what you see? I could very well be a dream."
"Then anything can be a dream. What is your point?"
"The point is following through to the very end of the thought and seeing what is left."
"And what if it's just a waste of time?"
"Then you disregard it and take solace in the certainty in the fact that you've better things to do. I personally prefer to ask more practical questions than such as what is real and whether we have a free will."
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"Could you give me an example?"
"Alright, let's say I want to go to have lunch at Braavos tomorrow. Can I do this?"
"No, of course not."
"And why is this?"
"Because there's no ship fast enough to reach there by tomorrow."
"And why is there no ship that can reach there by tomorrow?"
"Because nobody can make a ship that fast."
"And why can't anyone make a ship that fast?"
"Because it can't be done."
"Why can't it be done?"
"You frustrate me with this. I do not know this, I am no shipwright. Is that what you wish to hear?"
"No. The Point is seeking truth and being honest.
Neither of us truly can claim to know if such a ship can be built without trying, but knowing that we don't know means that we know the boundaries of fast ships can sail are unexplored."
"I think I understand it know. It's a study about knowing what you know and don't know."
"More or less. Say, you think the food is done by now? Could go for a bite to eat. We can mull over this academical stuff more once our bellies are full if you're still interested."
"Sounds like a decent idea. Food it is."

> Stannis will show up next update. In the meanwhile time to make a final vote on what to call your Domain.

> Port Maw
> Black Harbor
> Aquilonia
> Elysium
> Summerland
> Write-In
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>>3076667
>> Port Maw
>> Black Harbor
In order of want. Port Maw is just too good to pass by. Maybe not fully applicable now, but a few years down the line? Smoke stacks billowing, forges hammering, vast quantities of resources flowing into the Maw at the end of the Bite, fueling the engine of Industry as it produces marvellous goods from simple guns to airships, siege engines and powered boats.
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>>3076667
Port Maw
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>>3076671
Eh, I'll support these two, too.
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>>3076667
>Port Maw
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>>3076667
> Port Maw
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>>3076667
> Port Maw
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>>3076667
>Port Maw

Sounds good.
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>>3076667
> Port Maw
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>>3076667
Prussia

I will never give up
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>>3076723
Well, we *do* have a few cannon-balls lying around: Maybe we should incubate one & see what happens?
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>>3076802
But we lack the blood of thousands of soldiers to sacrifice in the dark rite needed to inspire Prussian Discipline.
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>>3076818
Blut und Eisen!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-aEWZrTibE

I kinda want to form an elite skirmisher unit of hunters / woodsmen equipped with these (as in the concept of a very long barrelled rifle of a high calibre). Use them as a mix of scouts and snipers. Not to mention they'd be something we could use them in peace time to help us hunt bears or other dangerous animals.

Plus I love the idea of having a unit of long-range troops that are skilled at surviving from the land, allowing them to stalk and harass an enemy army without needing frequent resupply.
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>>3076828
Deep Recon Skirmishers
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>>3076828
Something I fully support. Sniper troops are a fucking nightmare to deal with.

However, our guns range around 300-400 meters (rifled) and the smoke cloud emitted will give away their position. Not really viable without cover fire and other types of support. Great for hunting though.
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>>3076835
Maybe just make them a small attachment to existing unit to snipe enemy comanders?
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>>3076830
Yep. Imagine how terrifying it would be to be a knight attacking us, knowing there are a good 40 men hiding in the woods and hills around you waiting to snipe you with a gun that goes through your armour without issue the moment you step outside your tent for a piss or mount up to go on patrol.

>>3076835
True, if they were entirely unsupported they'd probably get ran down by cavalry. If however they attacked in ambushes at mountain passes or deep in forests on quiet roads chances are they'd be able to out run any foot troops that might follow thanks to their experience in such terrain while horses would struggle to follow off the beaten path.

Not to mention we could take a tactic from the Japanese in WW 2. They'd have soldiers strung up in trees waiting columns of troops passing to open up with rifle fire from above or to throw down grenades. Deadly as shit and imagine trying to convince your troops to walk through a forest where that happens. Plus if they prepare properly with camouflaging over their fighting positions, they can hide most of the smoke at least for a moment, not to mention they could set traps so any troops that do try to follow them end up dealing with bear traps (again, leading back to us using them for hunting), punji spikes and so on.

>>3076840
That could work too but I just love the idea of an elite unit like this. Something for our men to aspire to entry to and something that displays the full potential of our weapons.
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We should get house words. I suggest "Steam and Steel"
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>>3076667
>Port Maw
It just sounds intimidating but I swear to god if there's not a cape or a cliff or rock formation that looks like an actual Maw I will regret this.

Alternatively we could name our domain something even MORE intimidating, say like, Devil's Reach?
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>>3076667
>> Port Maw
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>>3076858
That'll make sense later but we should choose something that makes sense now.

>Referencing our studious work
"Smarter not harder"
"Wealth from study"
"All paths lie open"

>Referencing our ability to bring down any castle wall.
"Stone shall shatter"
"All are rubble"

>Referencing our ability to defeat any armour
"Through Steel, we strike"

Dunno, generally the words are meant to be a summary of the house in a way and I don't think "Steel and Steam" fits.

>>3076862
>It just sounds intimidating but I swear to god if there's not a cape or a cliff or rock formation that looks like an actual Maw I will regret this.
Agreed. We'll just have to build one in that case.

>Alternatively we could name our domain something even MORE intimidating, say like, Devil's Reach?
Past a certain pont, it stops being intimidating and just starts sounding strange / stupid. I mean for one thing why are we involving demons in the name of our land when that just raises questions as to our intent.
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>>3076893
Yeah but like, Port Maw? Again it would make SENSE if there we some geological formation that gives it its name but I mean, come on! It sounds like a super villain lair.

Also I'm slightly ashamed that no one has suggested Castle fucking Grey Skull. The opportunity is RIGHT THERE!
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>>3076913
To be fair, I kinda want to sell our castle. As weird as the concept of a lord without one might sound, fact is we know cannons are going to make contemporary forts useless without significant modernisation unless they are some of the bigger ones.
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>>3076931
Cant really sell off the castle without selling the land. We *can* however build a new holding next to it or incorporate other buildings into it. Though I dont see it as much of a bother if we are building a starfort around us anyway. Who cares about the castle if you cant even breach the outer defenses?
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>>3076940
True but my goal would more so be to raise enough money for our industrial projects, that way we could afford a larger, better and more modern fortress in a few years.

Plus, no longer having a castle means we don't need a unit to garrison it meaning we could use our garrison unit to hunt down bandits and shit.
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>>3076893
How about: "Mind over matter"
"By skill and valor"
"The void awaits"
"Ever steadfast"
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>>3076955
Nah, none of those really work to me. Also the last one is too close to House Flint's, Ever Vigilant.
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>>3076947
Well, we need a garrison to garrison our home anyway, so no escaping that. And its not like we couldnt run pies and wires through the castle as-is. And the defences will be starfort nits anyway, so makes no difference. We just turn our castle from a purely strategic building into a functional one while offloading the defense on the starfort around us. Not like our castle could survive an earnest siege anyway.
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>>3076997
>Well, we need a garrison to garrison our home anyway, so no escaping that.
I suppose but I'd point out that our small town requires no unit to remain secure, so we could arguably just move there.

>And its not like we couldnt run pies and wires through the castle as-is.
Wat

>And the defences will be starfort nits anyway, so makes no difference. We just turn our castle from a purely strategic building into a functional one while offloading the defense on the starfort around us. Not like our castle could survive an earnest siege anyway.
Yeah I get that.
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>>3077011
When an army comes to siege the town youll feel it. The day-to-day is handled bu the mayor.

Pipes and wires*. Horribad.
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Also, referring back to a much earlier discussion, I found something we should look into making for the king.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyBPaXbp7Qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cNtduI3aRA

God damn semi-auto flintlocks. Luckily with our mastery of metalworking, they shouldn't be too dangerous to manufacture once we have the design down.

>>3077090
>When an army comes to siege the town youll feel it.
By the time an army comes to siege, I'd expect about 8 years at a minimum to have passed. In that amount of time I'd expect to have made enough money from our investments to at least have built a small star fort.

>Pipes and wires*. Horribad.
Okay now I get what you mean. I don't see why we would have wires, given electricity doesn't provide many benefits to us but I can see where you are going with the pipes.
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>>3077095
Its just retarded to sell our castle. Where would we keep all our shit safe, plus who wants to buy a castle in someone else's town.
If we want money just send people out to cut deals for loans, there are tons of groups that give them out.
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>>3077100
>Its just retarded to sell our castle.
Then what are we meant to do with this piece of shit that can't provide any defence against even the relatively light cannons we're selling to the king? If we keep it then during war it will prove a drain on our available resources, since we must garrison it.

>Where would we keep all our shit safe, plus who wants to buy a castle in someone else's town.
I suppose but Christ knows it would be better than keeping this liability.

>If we want money just send people out to cut deals for loans, there are tons of groups that give them out.
I don't like taking loans. It leaves us in an awkward position should we fail to repay it and as much as I doubt we will there is also the fact that, even with a good loan, we're talking about repaying twice as much.
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>>3077119
We have to garrison any design area we build, this just makes us look good.

How the fuck is it a liability, shits not falling down anytime soon.

>I don't like taking loans. It leaves us in an awkward position should we fail to repay it
But you like the idea of someone else's army setting up shop in the middle of our holding, **thats** super safe.
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>>3077138
>We have to garrison any design area we build, this just makes us look good.
Could you expand on this I don't understand what you mean.

>How the fuck is it a liability, shits not falling down anytime soon.
It is a liability in a war against our probable enemies. It's design isn't resistant to cannonfire and it draws forces away from any defences we construct which are capable of resisting cannonfire.

>But you like the idea of someone else's army setting up shop in the middle of our holding, **thats** super safe.
If they are in the castle? I'm fine with it because we'll have cannons to break the walls and bring it down meaning it ain't that much of risk.
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>>3077147
You're a fucking idiot oh my god.
Stop meta-gaming for one.
QM will fuck us for that bullshit.
We'll become a laughing stock and everyone would think we're an unstable money hungry loon not fit to run anthing.
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>>3077147
>Could you expand on this I don't understand what you mean.
Where ever we make future designs for machines needs to be able to keep spies out, so it must have basic walls.
Wherever we keep our gold and powder must be hard to get into like high walls, strong doors, and easy to patrol corridors.
Of course we also need a place for our men to sleep outside of a tavern, given they are not sellswords and expect some manner of domicile.
Other lords and nobility that visit us would also expect some basic accommodations of a higher than average quality to be provided.

Can you think of a structure that can be easily defended, can provide living space for troops, as well as room to entertain guests in that we have access to?

1/2
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>>3077159
>Stop meta-gaming for one.
"Metagaming is a term used in role-playing games, which describes a player's use of real-life knowledge concerning the state of the game to determine their character's actions, when said character has no relevant knowledge or awareness under the circumstances."

Are you implying it is entirely unreasonable for Tallon to consider that, when the war of the five kings comes which he knows is coming, his castle might end up under attack by someone with cannons when we do plan on selling gunpowder, guns and cannons?

>We'll become a laughing stock and everyone would think we're an unstable money hungry loon not fit to run anything.
See now here is something you might actually have a point about.
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>>3077147
>It is a liability in a war against our probable enemies. It's design isn't resistant to cannonfire and it draws forces away from any defences we construct which are capable of resisting cannonfire.
So why the fuck would you put troops in it if your enemies have cannons? You do know we don't lead our men through vote right?
>If they are in the castle? I'm fine with it because we'll have cannons to break the walls and bring it down meaning it ain't that much of risk.
So you feel that it is strategically unwise to keep excess defenses that could be mined and detonated once taken by an enemy force but a clever move to provide a staging ground for troops right in the middle of our base?
The base without any other defenses of course.

Not as though they could buy cannons from a nearby gunsmith and place them upon the castle walls.
OOOHHHH nooo they would never think of that.
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>>3076858
I thought it was already 'Blood and Iron'?
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>>3077166
Anon you seem to fail to understand that the Five Kings will be the Four Kings if we save Ned.
Three Kings if we get Renly to bend the knee.
Two Kings if Balon doesn't see the Lannisterstomping as an opportunity
No war if we expose Lannisters.
We don't need to garrison anyone in it, we could just leave an explosive surprise for any breachers.
Besides we're not going to let our probable enemies stockpile gunpowder anyway.
Our City being gunpowder hub for our side would be very well defended both by advanced tech and a sizeable amount of soldiers
Tallon won't just tard out and sell his Castle.
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>>3077147
>capable of resisting cannonfire.


you are afraid that they will use the weapons we sell them against us ?

by that time we will have a star fortress and a real fleet.
also Op has already say that for them to understand, then reproduce with success and then produce guns (or every other tech) like us... it will require a lot of time for our possible enemys. Like a lot, that means it s just impossible for them to have that type of advantage on us, during the war. Or after. I mean Westeros is a stagnant society.
so what it happens next ?
yeah our city will become an important asset on the war.

what we can do for avoid an attack on us :

1 we remain neutral during the war. Making a lot of cash selling our merch.

2 ask more garrison forces from our allies

3 Buy mercenarys not related to our enemys, for garrison.

>>>>4 it s not a problem for what we have at that point, we even help the North&Stannis.
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>>3077165
>Where ever we make future designs for machines needs to be able to keep spies out, so it must have basic walls.
I'll grant you that, although I'd argue we should just write all our notes in English or Latin (since we do know some of that if I'm not mistaken) given no one here knows those languages so the issue passes by with little note. At best they'd have a diagram but no knowledge of what materials, lengths or so on to use.

>Wherever we keep our gold and powder must be hard to get into like high walls, strong doors, and easy to patrol corridors.
That is entirely fair too.

>Of course we also need a place for our men to sleep outside of a tavern, given they are not sellswords and expect some manner of domicile.
True however our castle only fits one unit (although I could be remembering OP telling us we need to keep one unit in reserve to garrison it) if I remember correctly so it's not like we even meet this standard by keeping it.

>Other lords and nobility that visit us would also expect some basic accommodations of a higher than average quality to be provided.
I suppose although I'd argue that our castle probably ain't that nice to begin with given it was recently turned over by the previous staff for anything of value.

>Can you think of a structure that can be easily defended, can provide living space for troops, as well as room to entertain guests in that we have access to?
Alright, alright you've proven your point.

>>3077173
>So why the fuck would you put troops in it if your enemies have cannons? You do know we don't lead our men through vote right?
You asked why it was a liability. I told you.

>So you feel that it is strategically unwise to keep excess defences that could be mined and detonated once taken by an enemy force but a clever move to provide a staging ground for troops right in the middle of our base?
If we can somehow conceal a series of large underground chambers packed with gunpowder that we can detonate reliably and without risk of them being used against us and we can create these without insane risk or cost I'd suppose the structure has value.

>The base without any other defences of course.
The base that I would entirely expect to have defence by the time any such attack might occur.

>Not as though they could buy cannons from a nearby gunsmith and place them upon the castle walls.
Oh yes because one can just mount a cannon to the battlements. Not like it's an expensive thing to do or anything given the battlement ain't exactly built with the goal of mounting a god damn cannon.

>>3077185
If you feel we can so reliably and safely have our city safe from attack then why in gods name have we even discussed the construction of a star fort. If our security is so certain why bother with any such defensive investments when they will not see service.
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>>3077196
>why in gods name have we even discussed the construction of a star fort?
Because anon.
Winter is Coming.
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>>3077196
>we should just write all our notes in English
> no one here knows those languages
Why the fuck did I write all that shit before.
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>>3077215
And? We're fairly south in the north, as dumb of a phrase as that is, which means by the time the Others get down here either we're screwed because everything around us has been turned or we're fine because they were stopped.

>>3077220
? Forgive me, I'm currently suffering what I can only describe as the surreal feeling that my body is an inch off of where my mind is.
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A semi-appropriate film for the thread given the tech level, zombies and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhsiYYxzMo

>>3077220
Could you please explain what this post meant now that I feel of a clearer mind?
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>>3076667
> Write-In Heavy Water
to remind ourselves of our goal to move forward

> Port Maw
> Black Harbor
Do we even have access to coast?
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>>3077276
Everyone in westeros speaks English.
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>>3077435
Except they don't. They speak the "Common tongue" but it's never specified to be English in show or in books nor by OP.
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>>3077435
Fucking 'common'. Real original.
The whole continent speaks the same language.
Nice work George.
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>>3077487
Nah, it was alluded to by having our latin on the boat.
"The words seem to have some relation to common" or something iirc
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>>3077487
At almost every point in the show all the written words are in English.
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>>3077492
>Nah, it was alluded to by having our latin on the boat.
>"The words seem to have some relation to common" or something iirc
"Despite this, the a work of art the ship was nevertheless with an imposing eagle figurehead but also engraved upon it were strange words of a language you couldn't recognize, but felt like they had some distant relation to the common tongue at places."

Why do people consider this guy an amazing writer when his prime language is literally English?

>>3077509
I'll be honest I'd always assumed that was a mix of not being bothered to create a genuine new written language and because it lets people read shit faster than characters do / if they get interrupted.
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>>3076667
>Prussia
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Something that occurs to me regarding our notation languages, we are an incredible mathematician compared to even most maesters. If we put our mind to encrypting our notes they shouldn't be broken anytime soon.
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>>3077578
Could we build some sort of simpler version of the enigma machine?
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>>3077616
I mean we could but between the cost of doing so and the fact that you need a decoding array at the other end, it'd be of limited use.
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So what's everyone's plan for dealing with wotfk?
There is profit to us either way.
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>>3077806
>wotfk
Generally it varies between staying as neutral as possible, selling every weapon we can and preparing for the Other war or backing Ned / Stannis so we're close to the winners and can get the support needed to win the Other war.

Personally, I'm in favour of remaining neutral at least until such a time as we are clearly capable of making a noteworthy difference in the war. Although that'll depend on how the other lords treat us (both in terms of trade and as a threat) and if we see an opening.


There is something to be said of staying neutral but offering our services as a merc siege breaker. If we produce a few or even a single ultra-heavy cannon we can rent it out as a trump card to whatever side shall pay. Or, better yet, we take a page from one of the most important Italian merc company leaders in history and let people pay us to not fight against them. Imagine if we got every side in the war to pay us just to remain neutral. All because they know that our cannon could shatter any castle in days what might otherwise take months or years.


Alternatively, we could try and forge our own path during the war but unless we really, really tech up, massively grow our military and somehow manage to provide legitimacy to ourselves we'd never get away with it. It's the sort of flight of fancy I only mention just in case our actions thus far cause something we haven't considered and every person we might want to follow dies.
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>>3077814
War of the Five(four) Kings with with Stannis and Ned on one team would not end well for Lannisters.
And if we join them too then if Renly doesn't bend the knee he's getting shot before shadow magic is resorted to.
And really we've set ourselves up for Ned+Stannis combo.
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>>3077826
>War of the Five(four) Kings with with Stannis and Ned on one team would not end well for Lannisters.
Agreed.

>And if we join them too then if Renly doesn't bend the knee he's getting shot before shadow magic is resorted to.
Agreed.

>And really we've set ourselves up for Ned+Stannis combo.
Basically aye.
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>>3077814
Explain how you plan to stay neutral as a vassal of Ned, please. Furthermore, openly sell guns to his enemies.
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>>3077937
I'd state that the first sentence was mostly a statement of what I've seen everyone suggesting we should do. As to how I'd stay neutral, dunno. It's 6:30 AM and I've not slept.

Honestly? I'm unsure we're going to manage to save Ned. I doubt we're going to sneak enough of our own men in with enough firepower to manage to get Ned out of a city that'll quickly turn against us which means I don't forsee a future where he is still alive. At least without us doing some very risky moves, like purposefully and secretly hiding caches of gunpowder throughout King's landing to resupply our troops as they pull out or starting fires to distract the city guard.
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>>3077959
Or save Bran when he falls, thus nipping this whole thing in the bud at Winterfell.
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>>3077962
True but that'd require us saving him from the fall specifically if you want his knowledge of what was occurring to be intact in a useful way.

That means we'd need to prevent him falling to the ground dangerously without at the same time causing him to not climb the tower in the first place. Which means we'd need to hide and then catch him in such a way as to not end up getting us both just as seriously injured.
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>>3077965
A strategically placed pile of straw?
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>>3077985
Or, you know, a couple guys with a net. Not like a kid falling a few stories is too hard to catch. Didnt even die on his own...
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>>3077985
This ain't Assassins creed. The kid fell multiple stories in an uncontrolled freefall resulting in him entering a comatose state and sustaining serious paralysis / nerve damage. If you put a big enough pile of straw there to stop him, chances are he'd be confused as to what a mountain of straw was doing there, so far from the stables.
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>>3077994
True but that then requires we get a few men we can trust (they'll be suspicious as shit that we knew this was coming) with helping us do this who are also smart / skilled enough at hiding to not spook him.
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>>3077997
"Oh look, the miracle man is doing something again, how quaint."
Nobody will bat an eye and its not like we can harm anyone with the net. And we just *happen* to walk by, not camp out all day underneath the window.
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>>3078008
"Stop fucking making miracles happen, This is getting insane. "
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>>3078008
>"Oh look, the miracle man is doing something again, how quaint."
"Oh look the 'miracle man' who sells the strange magic powder just saved the Lord's son from an event he had no way of predicting or preparing for. How totally acceptable and normal. Not at all suspicious he was ready to do that..."
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>>3078033
So, you think its more likely we conspired with the lannisters to have Bran catch them fucking, then try to kill him then save him so the Lannisters get fucked.

What?
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>>3078038
I'm just saying "How quaint" ain't exactly how I'd react nor would I expect lord Stark to react that way.
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>>3078030
"No."
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>>3078047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmnOJSUkjrA

"Because we are going to make Port Maw Great Again!"
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>>3078043
"I had a few men trail your son with a net I had made, I understand the possible dangers or climbing a many thousands of years old castle, and now your son does too, I hope. But Bran, what exactly caused you to slip?"
"You were pushed?!"
"By the Kingslayer?!"
"Incest?!"
Etc etc
Highly convenient that it just happened to happen today but Ned isn't gonna be upset his son didn't get pancaked.
Also everyone there will be busy reeling from the Treason+Incest+Attempted Murder and how we may have just saved the realm.
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>>3078177
I doubt Bran would even say anything. The shocking nature of it, plus the influence of the people participating in the act would be more than enough to stop most people from ever saying anything.

Let me put it this way, how long do you think you could blackmail Fantasy!Nixon or Fantasy!Hillary and get away with it before your untimely demise is ruled a suicide?
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>>3078179
Even if Bran doesn't say anything immediately he'll probably defend his climbing skills with "I didn't fall I was pushed".
Bran wouldn't just randomly keep quiet though anyway.
We'd also have people rushing into the tower in this case to find the culprits.
Hell even we can say it looked like he was pushed.
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>>3078179
If Bran says to the King and Ned that he was pushed and he saw Jaime and Cersei naked wrestling, that's all that it takes to get rid of them.

I don't think we'd really get implicated. People might think it was weird that we showed up so conveniently, but ultimately these accusations won't be coming from our mouths.

Would Lannisters send assassins at us for saving a kid that fell from the sky or would they carry a grudge against Starks and Baratheons instead?

I think we'd be beneath Tywin's notice in the affair.
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>>3078220
Tywin would be more focused on the fact that his idiot daughter and son and how through their fucking idiocy have possibly destroyed the entire Lannister family.
Saving Bran is the best action we can take because it gives us so many benefits at barely any cost.
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>>3078264
Tywin would likely get a brain aneurysm from the sheer fucking stupidity of the situation.

Like how goddamn retarded those two must be to not only get caught fucking while as guests in Winterfell, but also get caught red handed for attempting to kill Lord Stark's son.

This shitstorm would be crowned if Stannis decided to capitalize on this moment and go to present the evidence afterwards that all three kids are borne of incest, the news would probably make him implode in disappointment.
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>>3078220
>beneath Tywin's notice

We'd not only oust his daughter and son but disgrace his family in the process. What do you THINK he'd do? Cause I fucking DREAD to imagine the tortures he'd come up with, we'd get off easy if we ended up dead.

I say it's better to let shit proceed as cannon, and that we simply move further down south when the Boltons start their shit. Tywin scares me more than any Bolton ever could.
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>>3078283
Yes, and it would look even worse on them because the Hand of the King who Stannis was researching the situation with suddenly mysteriously fell ill and died very quickly.
They'd get the blame for assassinating the Hand too.
They are fucked in every way. Two counts of High Treason, Assassination, Incest, Attempted child murder, breaking the Guest right in the worst possible way in the worst possible place.
Tywin will really really not like this raven.
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>>3078284
>Catch small child falling from tower
>Tywin swears vengeance on random lord protecting his liegelord's son
Tywin isn't actually a petty retard so he won't do any of this. Jaime and Cersei brought this shit on themselves by being incestuous fucking idiots with no foresight to the problems their actions could cause.
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Look the main point is we're in agreement to at least try to save Bran and we can deal with whatever consequences arise from that.

Hopefully we succeed. Because failing would be even worse than not getting involved.
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>>3078349
*cackling beyond the wall*
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Could we maybe just come up with some excuse to keep little Bran occupied for a while so Jamie & his sister can do the Alabama Shuffle in peace?

As long as he doesn't climb *that* particular tower at *that* particular time he should be fine, right?
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>>3078413
OR, we catch Bran, expose the Lannisters and rake in the cash and brownie points along they way.
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How does rescuing Bran tie into him going north of the wall, meeting the three-eyed crow, and playing his role in preventing the coming ice demon apocalypse?
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>>3078435
Well as far as we know, it might do nothing. Given all those events depend more so on his greenseer nature which shouldn't be influenced by the accident...probably. Honestly it involves magic and that makes it hard to tell.

I mean given our plans it might not even matter.
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>>3078443
I thought a large part of his motivation to meet Bloodraven was to get his legs fixed. He'd have less of a reason to go if he isn't crippled.
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>>3078349
>>3078376
Eeeeh, I don't know guys. I don't feel as if Bran suddenly being crippled was such a major crux in the story. The whole thing is really carried by Jon Sand and Danny, I feel like Bran falling is just a cheap way to make us feel for the character.

I say fuck him, let him fall. The Starks are fucking idiots anyways. Ned is an incompetent fuck up for trusting Baelish, the dude who loved his wife and fought his brother who HATES HIM, and fucking TELLS CERCEI TO HER FACE "Hey I'm gonna expose your whole family".

And fucking VOILA, that's one Stark gone. Sounding familiar? Tyrion knows what the fuck is up, he deliberately misinforms people and catches them in their shit. We have an advantage in this in that we already know how most of these bastards are going to act, but if they've even a fucking modicum of intelligence, like ANY of the Lannisters, they'd account for us and try to stuff us in a little box to better understand us. Then we're FUCKED.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY?! FUCK THOSE BOXES! DO YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE?! WE'RE THE MAN WHO'S GONNA BURN YOUR HOUSES DOWN! WITH THE BOXES! WE'RE GONNA INVENT A COMBUSTIBLE BOX THAT BURNS YOUR HOUSES DOWN!!
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>>3078413
>catch Bran
>become a hero to the North and max out Ned's affection meter
>have Cersei and Jaime exiled/sent to wall + made into a silent sister rather than executed in exchange for Tywin agreeing to pay the crown debt
>Tyrion owes us a debt for getting his brother spared
>prevent the succession crisis, single-handedly stabilising Westeros
>everyone owes us a favour
>can get Tyrion to take a look at the crowns expenditure
>become known as the guy that saved Westeros with a bed-sheet
vs
>allow Cersei to cuck in peace, change nothing
>>3078460
Anon are you ok? You seem to be having a fit of madness.
Jon and Dany suck Dothraki cock. Ned is honorable to a fault, which helps us.
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>>3078460
Bran is quite important, he's a god damn greenseer which is an amazing thing to have owing us a favour. Not to mention if we accompany them beyond the wall, we might meet the Children of the Forest and get a chance to learn their language / their secrets.


Is he important to the actual story in universe? No, mostly because he enters an comatose state at such a time as to make his information useless, as he only gains the chance to discuss it by the time those he'd talk about are now untouchable.

If we save him however we break the chain of events and prevent a lot of blood shed potentially by shattering the power of the Lannisters all the while avoiding putting ourselves directly in their cross-hairs.


>>3078462
Basically this.
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>>3078462
>>3078462

Yeah but it's CAUSE of his honor to a fault that regardless of what he does he'd end up losing. You honestly think the Lannisters wouldn't be able to somehow twist or manipulate such a situation to their benefit?

Besides, it'd be the word of a Northern Kid vs. two of the most influential people in King's Landing. Shit's already tense 'tween North and South, this shit would be grounds for civil war if the Lannisters get desperate. Never mind the horrible shit that could happen to Bran if he does accuse. I'd rather have him in a chair than in the ground.
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>>3078470
Anon this is literally taking place in Winterfell.
Starks aren't taught to lie.
You can be anyone you want in Kings Landing but the North won't care.
There's no way Cersei could twist this in her favour, not after we lock the door of the room Bran falls from when they are getting busy.
Robert wouldn't have this shit.
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>>3078470
frankly a war could be inevitable in some way or another.


but saving Bran would help a lot, for avoid a war and have better relations with the Starks&the North.
the Lannisters and their ambitions would be put on a wall.
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>>3078264
>>3078283
>Tywin's face when all that AND he realizes that Tyrion will have to inherit.
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>>3078495
>>3078476
All I'm saying is, be very VERY careful. This is the Game of Thrones, we're a new comer and pieces move all the time.

>>3078589
You... you don't think he'd... kill Tyrion do you?
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Has there been any discussion on how Arthur is kind of a black spot on fate?
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>>3078692
Eh, a few times. Mostly over how reliably we can count on our knowledge of the future.
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>>3078696
It'll be interesting if we ever get past the canon events. Then the QM can really start making up his own stuff.
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>>3078692
Oh yeah, a few times. I think we made a name for ourselves as the dude who insulted the Mountain and lived? I hope we have a better reputation. We basically won them that fucking war, WE sunk the Ironborn fleet while their BITCH long boats couldn't keep up.

Ser Arthur Talon, Scourge of the Iron Born, Mocker of the Mountain!

Hell yeah.

On a side note, you guys think we should ready up some special effects in case of trials by combat? Like a sawed off and some .12 gauge shells packed with 93 octane, rubbing alcohol and Styrofoam? Or better yet, Wildfyre!
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>>3078734
>On a side note, you guys think we should ready up some special effects in case of trials by combat? Like a sawed off and some .12 gauge shells packed with 93 octane, rubbing alcohol and Styrofoam? Or better yet, Wildfyre!
I do somewhat want to go full "Da Vinci level iron man" but we've got higher priorities for now.

If we have time later, we can look into making ourselves a brace of semi-auto blackpowder pistols, flamethrower gauntlet and so on.
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>>3078740
>>3078734

OR, we get guards for that and dont plan like an autist.
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>>3078744
We can't rely on guards for a trial by combat. At best we can elect a champion but in that case you are talking about finding a better fighter than us and generally they'll be expensive as shit to keep under arms in our service.
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>>3078734
>>3078748
We should stop slacking and get better with a sword in case shit like that happens.
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>>3078748
>>3078756
OR, make a revolver.

Really, there are so many options that dont devolve into animu-level memes and tryhard concepts. There is a reason the gun beat out the sword and the simple gun was the one to succeed.
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>>3078789
It's not about guns being the obviously superior weapon. If we're fighting a medieval duel, then we have to finish it up close in melee, right? There's no downside to improving our swordsmanship.
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>>3078855
I mean, no?
Why should we limit ourselves to such pitiful weaponry in a duel?
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>>3078870
We've heard lords say that crossbows are a coward's weapon. We're a lord and we have to keep face, especially in something as big as a duel.
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>>3078870
It will be good to have when we inevitably doe and get born as a peasant. It will take some time for us to get what we need for guns of we are good with martial it will help us get there.
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>>3078898
We shoot the opponent and win the duel. We not only get off scot free but we drum up massive interest for our product.

Literally no downside.
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>>3078910
Some guy was too afraid to fight your man up close and had to kill him from a distance? I dunno.
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>>3078931
Results speak for themselves. People only whine when they lack the means themselves. Superior army whines that the defenders hide behind their wall, master duelist whines the strategist doesnt 1v1 him etc. Petty whining. When all is over we will rack up gun orders like crazy.
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>>3078951
Arthur and all of his innovations are entirely new to the world. We're supplanting thousands of years of their, admittedly stagnant, traditions in a few moments. Results don't completely speak for themselves in this context.
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>>3078986
Yes they do. If your enemy has guns and you dont, you either run, die or get guns. Simple as that. Might not like it, might not think it is honorable, but you do it all the same.

The beauty of progress mate.
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