ASOIAF Reincarnation Quest: A Male Powder Fantasy, Thread #19Character Sheet: https://pastebin.com/RsQUNkkxFuture Updates and Shitposts (mainly the latter): https://discord.gg/H4z8wcyArchive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=powder+fantasy Feudal Assets: https://pastebin.com/AGjdBv9w12th month of 289 AC Armament – Pair of Flintlock pistols, an Imperial Sabre, Mastercrafted Flintlock RifleProtection – Commissar's Uniform with a Proofed Breastplate Personal funds - 2238 Gold Dragons [1/3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so2s-NZVXZAAfter days of sailing, you came to a split in the river, the fleet starts moving through a hilly terrain. As the ship moves forward, the hills seem to grow larger and larger and the sky grows darker and darker until finally you are in a deep and damp valley beneath stormy skies.The Wet and Cold wind struck flesh like a cat o nine tails as the rain began pouring from the sky like blood from a stuck pig. The Men screamed out to each other, only to have their voices drowned by the howling of the wind as the rowers pushed forwards.Soon you saw what the screaming was about with your own eyes. There were ships coming towards you upriver and through your lenses you saw that the sailors of those vessels were wearing human limbs over their shoulders and bones on their forearms and breasts as if it were armor, each waving around ill kept and ill manufactured weapons.More ships filled with the savage men descended from the now mountainous hills, their ships pushing aside the mud as they picked up speed.The Wood cracked like thunder when they clashed with the ships behind you, causing the defenders to fall down on the deck like a house of cards.Before they managed to pick themselves up, the killers began butchering the crew that were still down.Your eyes turned towards the ships heading your way. You'd need to break on through in order to survive this ordeal. Meet violence with violence. As the ships clashed, the skies lighted up with lightning. The Attackers of the first ship fell overboard to the violent river whilst the second one struck to your side, throwing hooks to tie you into their vessel as thunder roared from the skies. When the men poured aboard, Lucan pulled out his pistols with a confident look on his face, followed by the terror of realizing that neither of them would discharge as the wild man's axe split his skull uncaringly.You knew how this would end. You have seen this before. You've dreamt this before many nights.You knew the only thing you could do, what you had to do.Diving to the wooden cabin aboard the vessel, you looked for the spark of light that still remained within the darkness and violence around and violently threw the ashes into the powder keg, hoping there was an ember left in there, before finally giving it a kick. BOOM! There was a bright flash in the darkness and you felt your soul separating from your body once more.
[2/2]"COME AND TAKE IT THEN SCUM!""As you awake, you scramble in the little longship cabin to grab your rifle and put on your armor before jumping outside to quickly scan the environment.It was not the valley of death you saw in your dreams nor the numberless hordes of savages. Rather, all you saw were a few meager boats lead by a man dressed as a member of the Night's Watch.Boats which were now changing direction rapidly as their leader just fell into the river on his armor, coloring the water red. Short ranged as pistols were, it would seem they were still plenty good for scaring overconfident river pirates.Ah... The Sight is just like back in Hag's mire, albeit you had 30 men back then with muskets, rather than 20. Good times. You return to the cabin and have some breakfast.On the last thread we returned from hiatus and you finally re-established some form of government into your domains by assembling a council of Maesters by cutting a deal with the Conclave. You would give them the learning you had on Type Metal so they can make their own printing presses and you in turn would receive enough learned men from them to form a council, a most uncommon thing for the Citadel to agree to, but also giving great prestige to you.Soon after the arrival of your new council, a courier ship brought you a heap of mail with Lord Eddard Stark showing interest in your black powder troops, Prince Stannis Baratheon asking for a ballpark figure when you get powder production going and finally learning that your sister is due to get married in six months.Your council advised you to capitalize on this interest relating black powder and told you that you should either seek loans or investors in order to make sure you can meet the demands of the Crown and your Liege Lord in the future.In the end you decided that it's best to ask for loans from the people who actually showed the most interest in the stuff, so you booked first for a trip to Winterfell with your outriders as Lord Stark had asked to borrow a black powder unit for a month.During the trip, you stopped at White Harbor and Lord Wyman Manderly also showed an interest in your product, offering a vassalage in exchange for more land and enough gold to get your black powder production fully going. An offer which you refused his offer, at least for the time being. You did however part on friendly terms.Right now however, after days of travel by ship and horse, you finally reached Winterfell.
[3/3]The Castle of Winterfell itself was a great compound with water from hot springs crossing about the whole castle, making it possibly the best heated castles in Seven Kingdoms, albeit not the most defensible.Though Winterfell had many comforts that would make it one of the best places to wait out the Winter, it's placement also meant it was vulnerable to most every form of siege weapon conceived in this time period. Whilst your castle was unassailable by siege towers as it was located on a hill and those castles located on mountains would render trebuchets unusable, Winterfell enjoyed no such assurances of security, relying instead on it's thick walls and segmented courtyards provide it safety unlike the more murderous castles like Casterly Rock, which required a man to go multiple gatehouses to even attempt to storm the castle itself.You did however appreciate the ease of access whilst riding through the Winter Town with your Outriders and the wagon of goodies you brought. The Sun was high in the sky. It was midday when you made your approach to the East Gate, finally reaching your destination. You made small chat with your men as you rode."First time in Winterfell Lucan?""Yes my lord, this is the first time I'm so far from home.""Nervous?""Who wouldn't be? Winterfell has history stretching for tens of thousands of years and there's too many legends about House Stark that a single man could remember them all!""Yerp and you're gonna get to spend a month proving your worth to Lord Stark and I get to watch, so you know, no pressure Hahaha!">How would you like to announce your arrival?>[Bulli Lucan]: Send him out to announce your arrival despite being so nervous.>[Fire in the Sky]: Pull out the Mortar and shoot some firecrackers into the sky as you approach the gates.>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.>write-in
>>3024345>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.
>>3024345[Capture Winterfell] 20 good men ought to do itBut seriously,>[Bulli Lucan]: Send him out to announce your arrival despite being so nervous.No need to terrify the smallfolk yet
>>3024354>pic related>>3024345If we think Lucan can do it, >[Bulli Lucan]: Send him out to announce your arrival despite being so nervous.If its obvious he will shit his breeches, >[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.Prefferrably have him do the announcing.
>>3024345>>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.
>>3024345>>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.missed last thread, but welcome back
>>3024345>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.MY LIEGE
Why not just challenge our underlings to surpass their sensed limitations? Have Lucan go and introduce us.
>[Fire in the Sky]: Pull out the Mortar and shoot some firecrackers into the sky as you approach the gates.https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Ryd_p20XEU
>>3024345>[Fire in the Sky]: Pull out the Mortar and shoot some firecrackers into the sky as you approach the gates.I'm immensely disappointed that no-one else has voted for this option.
>>3024345>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fussWe can wow them later, but Ned seems the type to prefer we not scare his entire household to death as joke.
>>3024345 what is wrong with this Castle it's like it was built by a retard the courtyards are too big the gate houses are too small the kitchen is located way too fucking far from the Great Hall. Brandon the Builder can go fuck himself
>>3027510Most castles in Westeros are built by retards from your understanding.There are very few truly "impregnable" fortresses that you must siege to take down. Usually most of them are way too large for their own good and their best defense is their positioning.This of course includes your castle as well, though it's pretty "small" by Westerosi standards.I can only assume the logic is that they're also designed to hold vast stores of food.
>>3027547The first two were minor nitpicks the kitchen's being that far from the Great Hall means food is always served cold that's not a defensive problem that's a design problem
>>3027553 clearly he told the Giants the kitchen is to be 5 steps away from the Great Hall and thus five giants steps away when he meant human
>>3027547I cant imagine how big of a pain in the ass our to-be starfort is to take by force.
>>3027668Typically speaking obsessively designed fortresses of immense size are a colossal nearly impossible pain in the labia
>>3027701Harrenhall was retarded but a good starfort will outlast it for a fraction of the price.
>>3027701goof thing we dont have such a thing.Bad thing we dont have the manpower to man the fortification of a overly fortified micro pseudo-polis.>>3027728well yeah. not designing them to be massive seats of residence and have a small city sector inside them, makes them a lot more cheaper for similar if not superior military capability to lock a area down.The only thing they can not do ishold in a massive amount of people inside.What might be the point of the megacastles of Westeros...
>>3027741Prestige? A Show of Wealth? I don't think Castle doctrines needed to develope much in Westeros within the last 300 years or so as Dragons ruled and the purpose of Soldiers was mainly as an occupying force.If we consider castles as an offensive, rather than a defensive tool, it sort of makes sense. The More soldiers your castle can hold, the greater occupying force you could field and need to engineer deathmazes isn't as great as the need to exert control over large area.
>>3027858that plus quasi bunkers against wierd magi shit like ice demons, undead, tree telepathic midget dryads, various other gribblies, etc.then add into consideration that most major castles are built by living legends, and the red keep was built by the remnant of a magical high society wanting to match said relics of a legendary past.We are a wierd bodysnatching immortal soul so we don't care as much about living a legacy for multiple millennia, but megastructures that can withstand the test of time with some minimum of maintenance is a good way to ensure immortality, and if you are reaching near demigod levels even if only as a meme, you will want something like that to leave behind.
>>3027510I presume the Kitchen is so far away because that's where they butcher animals, preserve food and otherwise process it whilst the Great Hall is where they actually cook the food when necessary.In that sense it's reasonable to have it near the Kennels and the Hunter's gate as the parts not fit for consumption go for animals.
>[No Bulli]Yea there's no need to push him. He has ample time to embarrass himself without your help. That or he will learn to hide his powerlevel. From your perspective, it's a win-win situation either way.You ride out to greet the guards."G'day mates, mind relaying to Lord Stark that Lord Arthur of House Tallon has arrived with his pack of mail-order pistoliers?""Of course, milord, we've been expecting your retinue. You are free to enter. After taking your horses to the Stables, head to the guest houses by the courtyard if you'd like to unload your luggage.""Will do, cheers mate, ave a good one."You and your retinue ride past the gate with your wagon, entering the castle-complex."Right-ho, I'm going to be waiting with the wagon by the guesthouses. You lot go and park my pony in the Stables.""Yes my lord."Whilst your men tended to their business, you tended to yours and started chatting with the servants and getting the rooms sorted out. As you entered the guest house, there was a tray of bread, salt and water from which you naturally partook, invoking the guest right. thanksAs an important guest, you were given a large room that had a glass window and a fireplace on the second floor. The Bed obviously was meant for two people and there were enough coverings that you would most certainly not be cold.The Servants reminded you that if you need a snack, just let them know and they'll get you drink and food.The Starks knew the meaning of hospitality if nothing else.After getting the rooms sorted out, you had a bit of time to kill till the Starks would receive you. > Go hang out by the Smithy and totally not be judgemental and shit about the workmanship of their smith. > Go hang out in the guest house, maybe there's someone else in here as well. > Go watch the training in the courtyard > Write-in:
> Go hang out by the Smithy and totally not be judgemental and shit about the workmanship of their smith.Pro bono lessons...on the other hand, tiny rob and john bashing one another with sticks...
>>3028158>tiny rob and john bashing one another with sticks...Exactly where creepy uncle Arthur comes in.>>3028155> Go watch the training in the courtyardSee if we cant insert ourselves into the kids minds right now or endear ourselves to the local knights/fighters.
>>3028155> Go watch the training in the courtyard
>>3028155>Go watch the training in the courtyard
>>3028173our combat skills are kind of mediocre for a knight.Definitely for one of our reputation. We may want to fix that eventually.
>>3028398Didnt mean we go fight. I meant we go talk/show off guns. Besides, our technique is pretty good. Its our physical stats that are not stellar for a frontline knight.
>>3028173You're probably gonna get your ass beat if you go fighting the way you are since while you definitely are better than the average peasant levy, just about any professional warrior should be able to beat your ass on a sword fight.You've pretty much completely disregarded horsemanship and martial practice in favor of studying and guns.
>>3028521We will get Gud at swords and horses next life
>>3028521I was under the impression we had good technique but lacked the physique to pull off any serious duels with knights. What with us being described as near Jaime level at Harrenhall and he got to be a Kings Guard for his swordfightering.
>>3028596We were Jamie level when he was 12, we still are Jamie level when he was 12. Hes like 17 now our ass would be wrecked.
>>3028606And he got put into the Kingsguard around that time. No shit we would get wrecked by Jaime, Im saying our technique was what carried us while we were a scrawny twat and while our physique hasnt changed that much, our skill hasnt diminished either. Probably get beat by most serious knights, but not due to being shit with a sword, its due to being a nerd without *dem gains*.
>>3028698We could fight a guard probably. Our skill is what 4? I imagine most standard knights to be around the 5 range and the good ones 7.
>>3028698 keep in mind like any other physical skill fighting with a sword is a perishable Talent. We've spent years studying and shooting stuff with our guns and hanging around with sailors. We're not exactly the fighter we used to be
>>3028955True, we should probably do some sword practice so we don't loose the skills
>>3028969Like that will ever be voted for
>>3029131>>3029096Nah we just have to die to a dagger in the dark then maybe anons will consider it seriously. Bullets don't protect against sneaky stabby time.Which given what we have been doing is probably going to happen sooner rather then later.
>>3029140Yeah I'm actually suprisingly excited about dieing then clawing our way back up higher and stronger until we are eventually reborn the emperor of mankind with 10s in all stats
>>3029179That'll be the day when this turns into a xianxia quest.Probably should warn you in regards of martial prowess. If you get spawned as lowborn, access to fighting skills will be far, far more difficult in Westeros unless you join a mercenary company.
>>3029569Honestly I think after this run we should try and explore and learn as much as possible about the world, then after another 5 or s Ives try conquering the whole thing. Sure itll take years real time but itll be a ton of fun.
>>3029583I'm saving exploring when we spawn as a commoner. At that point are best option is to travel to Essos and become a Merc. As the idea of staying as a broke ass sailor doesn't seem that great of an idea. Our understanding of siege technology alone would make our services quite valuable.Its just kind of hard to up and leave if we aren't born as an Ironborne noble. Even as a member of a merchant family we wouldn't wanna leave given our knowledge and wealth to work with.Not that I wouldn't love to go explore its just too hard to convince other anons when we ACTUALLY have status and money to begin with to actually do stuff with. Being a broke ass peasant on the other hand doesn't exactly give anons much of a choice.
>>3028955Game mechanics say no, likewise, we wouldnt have been a great swordfighter as a kid if it didnt carry over fully.>>3029140>Holdout pistol instead of trying to daggerfight an assassin in CQC>What is you>>3029604If we CAN build an airplane or a fuckoff Zeppelin or Dreadnought for the seas, why wouldnt we?
> Go and watch the training in the Courtyard"Nice. Now that we're finally here, we've a bit free time before we're called in. You can get yourselves settled in guest barracks and have a power nap or something.Those that aren't tired can join me in the courtyard and watch how the men of Winterfell train their warriors."The lads that were in night shift went straight to bed, everyone else joined you after dropping their travel chests into the room.In the courtyard you saw the Master-at-arms of Winterfell overseeing the training regimen of the castle guard. The Grown men were sparring with wooden swords and shields whilst the young boys, not yet tall enough for such sport were hitting dummies. You're not exactly sure who is who. Everyone is pretty much wearing Stark colours.The Training they were undertaking wasn't that much different form what you received. Solid basic swings and thrusts, making them go where you want them to go and learning the edge alingment.Hell, even in the Iron Islands, that was something you were taught. You ended up getting pretty far in the Harrenhal Tourney with those basics. Far as you can tell, the guy who devised this training should know what he is doing.You think for a moment, what was his name again...Rodrik Cassel! That's right. If you remember correctly, he was the guy that escorted Catelyn Stark to King's Landing. You're pretty sure he wasn't one of the mooks who got killed in the fucking mountain clans in the ambush.Yea, he's the guy that got lured out of the Castle when Theon went Judas on the Starks. This man could serve a purpose towards avoiding that.You put your arms on the fence and spectate for a while before the Master-at-arms notices you and approaches."Good day, is there something I can help you with?""Oh no, I'm just here to spectate. Been a long trip from Bite and all that. Arthur Tallon, the freshly minted Lord of the former Fullaxe estate.""Ser Rodrik Cassel. I am the Master-at-arms here in Winterfell, I take it these are?""Yep, these are my almost equally freshly minted Outrider Pistol Cavalry. Still in the middle of finishing their training, but they're getting there.""We shall see in the coming month how they perform. I must admit despite calling myself a Master-at-arms arms, I know remarkably little of these weapons of yours.""Ah. Well, I think a month is more than enough time for you to become a decent enough shot these things. They're remarkably straightforward and easier and safer to use than the common crossbow.""They say a Crossbow is a coward's weapon. What say you to that?""I say then that an army of well drilled Cowards can make for as fearsome adversaries as any."He snorts"An Army of cowards? That's a good one. But aye, tactics and strategy beat bravery any day of the week. We'll see what sort of men you're making down in the Bite." > How about a demonstration? > Better wait when the Starks are watching > Write-in
>>3029941> How about a demonstration?> time to show the savages real firepower
>>3029941>> How about a demonstration?
>>3029941>> How about a demonstration?Just the tip
>>3029941>How about a demonstration?
If you're going for a demonstration, would you like to specify what sort of demonstration you're going with?Just showing him how a musket works, popping some stupidly far off target with a rifle or just having your riders do some horseback shooting?
>>3029986just a general showing of the musket vs Armour go into a deep dive into it's strengths and weaknesses of gun powder the guys a tactician so we should appeal to that sensibility rather then attempting to wow him save that for the starks
>>3029986Show him how it works, have him shoot something and lets pop a few far-off targets ourselves. Should be a nice 10 minutes.
we should make some drinks to sell to the south [ wiskey , vodka , etc ]
>>3030029When we get back to our own lands, maybe. But at the moment we've got a month at Winterfell with far more important things to do than getting our distillery beyond the prototype stage.
>>3030028Maybe add in pistol, and specify the difference.
>>3030057This. We should be looking at what we can offer the Starks to improve our position in the world. Worst comes to worst, we could see about getting them to provide funds for our efforts to restore our lands. Maybe play up the whole "lords duty to the smalfolk" shtick.
>>3030125With the fact we are trying to get around 10k GD out of him I dont think he will give us extra pocket change. As to seeing what else we could sell him/other northern lords, sure, though I suspect it is not something immideately obvious and more than likely locked behind either mass gunpowder or steam engines. Coincidentally the two things we should focus on instead of shitty side projects.
>>3030160>With the fact we are trying to get around 10k GD out of him I dont think he will give us extra pocket change. I suppose but we can point out how shitty our lands are doing and how, in addition to funding for the blackpowder production, we need money to restore order and prevent issues.Wasn't it 6K GD for our ship though? Or am I remembering incorrectly?>As to seeing what else we could sell him/other northern lords, sure, though I suspect it is not something immediately obvious and more than likely locked behind either mass gunpowder or steam engines. Coincidentally the two things we should focus on instead of shitty side projects.True. To be fair though, I get the feeling the limiter for us is going to be funds not tech. Assuming we spend four days a week training / studying, two days a week ruling and a day a week designing new tech, I think we could have some good prototyping done for most of our ideas in as little as three months all the while managing to improve ourselves greatly in other regards.Plus, the Manderly's just wanted something that the other cities didn't have that would put his cities on the map. Compasses, distilled alcohol and maybe one other thing of a more militaristic style, if offered as potential goods might interest him enough to grant us the lands he offered in return for how to make them / the sole trading rights.
>>3030168>I suppose but we can point out how shitty our lands are doing and how, in addition to funding for the blackpowder production, we need money to restore order and prevent issues.We got 6k for the ship. Now we are after potential loans from Ned and Mannis. Cash money baby.>To be fair though, I get the feeling the limiter for us is going to be funds not tech. Assuming we spend four days a week training / studying, two days a week ruling and a day a week designing new tech, I think we could have some good prototyping done for most of our ideas in as little as three months all the while managing to improve ourselves greatly in other regards.>Plus, the Manderly's just wanted something that the other cities didn't have that would put his cities on the map. Compasses, distilled alcohol and maybe one other thing of a more militaristic style, if offered as potential goods might interest him enough to grant us the lands he offered in return for how to make them / the sole trading rights.Money will definitely be an issue, however time will be our main enemy. With 5K rolling in and a limited time to avert it, we need to seriously focus on getting tech out ASAP. As to 3 months, you are a real optimist. I would be happy if we got a prototype steam engine out in 3 months if we only focused on that. One day a week means we will still be using horses and flintlocks by 5K. Besides, the whole reason we got the Conclave involved was so we could offload as much work as we could, thus minimizing our ruling duties to a few hours a day or so, if even that, considering we have a measily 1000 peons and enough officials to manage it autonomously for the most part. Our time will be spent trying to make a functional steam engine so we can print platemail (read money) and fly by the time Ned starts his little coup.
Keep in mind lot of the North is underdeveloped, which means there's not a small amount of people who'd also need loans.You can't expect huge amounts of money, but the fact that there's Crown interest means he is likely to feel some obligation in that end.
>>3030185>We got 6k for the ship. Now we are after potential loans from Ned and Mannis. Cash money baby.Okay fair enough, I'd just rather you put it as 6K GD+ rather than assuming a set amount. Especially when one could really leverage our position against them by threatening to take the secret of gunpowder to the grave if they don't provide us with enough money to do this shit properly like anyone with a monopoly should.>Money will definitely be an issue, however time will be our main enemy. With 5K rolling in and a limited time to avert it, we need to seriously focus on getting tech out ASAP. True but I'd argue we shouldn't try to avert shit. The closer events go to the show and to the book the more easily we can predict the world around us and make intelligent moves beyond our station and power. Also because as smart and potentially powerful as we are, I don't see us being that powerful: what you want to stop has been in motion for years.>As to 3 months, you are a real optimist. I would be happy if we got a prototype steam engine out in 3 months if we only focused on that. Eh, I suppose. To be fair the only tech development we've done are guns and a proto-distillery (which helps with the steam engine, as we had to develop pressure measuring systems for one thing) so it is hard to tell just how fast we can design if we have no distractions and are willing to spend money proto-typing. Especially given we are far more educated now than the last time we did it.Also I set such a large amount of time aside for training because, if nothing else, knowledge is the only thing we can take from this life and our arch-maester friend gave us 100 books that are all introductions to citadel learning on various subjects.>One day a week means we will still be using horses and flintlocks by 5K. To be fair, even that is possibly enough to deal with our competitors if we employ them correctly and in large enough numbers. Which will be made easier as we set up additional gun-manufacturing infrastructure like semi-automated production lines.>Besides, the whole reason we got the Conclave involved was so we could offload as much work as we could, thus minimising our ruling duties to a few hours a day or so, if even that, considering we have a measly 1000 peons and enough officials to manage it autonomously for the most part. Yeah I suppose I overestimate the amount of time we'll need for ruling but I'd say a half-day a week at the very least given we want to at least pretend to care.>Our time will be spent trying to make a functional steam engine so we can print plate mail (read money) and fly by the time Ned starts his little coup.I entirely understand that but would question if printing plate mail is even a profitable enterprise. Compared to producing cheap tools and other refined goods. Given that most lords who would be able to afford a suit of plate want it to be custom-fit to them and those that can't often have inherited armour.
>>3030185so the general idea is to create a industrial revolution in our lands for start making a lot of rifles&cannons (plus maybe war machines ?) before the civil war starts ?
>>3030201>I entirely understand that but would question if printing plate mail is even a profitable enterprise. Compared to producing cheap tools and other refined goods. Given that most lords who would be able to afford a suit of plate want it to be custom-fit to them and those that can't often have inherited armour.Maybe lords wont want to wear it, but getting for their men would be a big step.Aside does anyone else have to solve like 12 captchas now a days?
To be entirely fair steam engine is going to require almost fuck-all research to actually design since you did actually work with engines in your first life.The Distillery and Alchemy shit is actually a fair bit more difficult because it wasn't something you had actually any practice in.Key issue really is coming up with ways to make the tools and instruments so you can actually manufacture the engines to sufficient precision.It's actually towards this end that the tide mills are necessary. You've actually got the tools you used to bore the cannons for your ship in existence, but it does need to be hooked up to a power source.Once you get that hooked up, you could try and make a shitty steam engine immediately, but if you want to power any factories or vehicles, you do actually need to reach precision far beyond what anyone in the known world is capable of.Luckily for you, precision is a machinist's bread and butter.
>>3030220>Maybe lords wont want to wear it, but getting for their men would be a big step.I suppose but then we hit into another barrier: Tradition! I'd argue some lords are going to look at making their soldiers look like knights and feel uncomfortable with the "social order" being disturbed.I'd argue we'd be better off producing arrowheads, spear heads and other such small pieces of metal which are primarily expensive because of their production cost rather than material costs. Given we could probably automate a fair portion of the production.>Aside does anyone else have to solve like 12 captchas now a days?Nah man. Most of the time I only solve a few if I even have to solve one.>>3030224>Once you get that hooked up, you could try and make a shitty steam engine immediately, but if you want to power any factories or vehicles, you do actually need to reach precision far beyond what anyone in the known world is capable of.Funny you mention that. In my research about nail / screw production, I saw a lot of different standardisation developments and methods which we'll probably need. Long story short, we need to develop this guy's shit so we can produce standardised parts for all our machines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Maudslay,
>>3030203Basically, and get filthy rich along the way.>>3030220Considering we can make armor that a smith makes for months in about a day and with modular replacement parts, outfitting your troops with breastplates is suddenly a feasible thing.>>3030225Cheap mass-produced plate is a literal goldmine. Material cost of fuck-all and a market price worth many a mans house. As to producing shit-tier goods, why bother? Why not instead make quality steel tools that we sell well below the market price so that more people will buy from us. Not like the iron needed to make a steel plane tool is worth much compared to the finished product. Arrow heads though? Nah senpai, better focus arms sales on gunpowder.
>>3030255>Cheap mass-produced plate is a literal goldmine. I suppose it could be.>Material cost of fuck-all and a market price worth many a mans house.Second statement is true, first less so but both are true enough to make me agree with you.>As to producing shit-tier goods, why bother? Why not instead make quality steel tools that we sell well below the market price so that more people will buy from us.Well I agree we should do that too but in the case of the goods I listed, their small size means that machines could be developed to produce them without requiring too much of a time or money investment in them compared to designing a machine (or machines) to produce a breastplate.>Nah senpai, better focus arms sales on gunpowder.You are forgetting that there are people who will still want to use archers, for admittedly good reason, so we should cater to them too. Spears are good because they can be used to cheaply equip a huge number of troops. Something which could prove essential given all we face although, if we were to use a ring bayonet, we could potentially use a factory producing them as a way to make "spear" heads. Although these would be more comparable with a pike..
>>3030266Fair enough, if we have the time, making a nail production line would also be pretty cash-money, however making platemail with some heating, pressing and stamping plus a tempering process is not only of economic but military value to us, seeing as we have few men already.
>>3030296Oh I don't disagree. Plus, it's aesthetic as shit having all of our soldiers in gleaming steel and vibrant colours. Like Cadian guardsmen, we shall clad them in our finest munitions breastplate and with our mightiest guns they shall be armed.
>>3030255Main problem with mass produced plate is that it can't be custom fitted, which means it's likely to be ill fitting and will have more weak spots than custom made.
>>3030304Eh, if we can lower the production costs sufficiently then our soldiers can deal with the discomfort and it will probably protect more than any equivalently cheap armour.I mean gambeson is easy to automate the production of but chainmail would be a bitch even with a ton of factories. So really the levels of armour we can provide jump between just a gambeson to that plus mass production plate.
>>3030225Traditions could be a great problem for us, especially if we want to sell our weapons/armor ecc. .. but for smooth it we have two things :1 Lords / nobles that don t care about it. 2 Social events for introduce new things and start changing their view.( example starting become a renaissance lord = patron of the artists ecc. ..)If this two things are not enough then what about the eastern citys of Essos ? a good amount of their forces are mercenarys so knights are not really relevant. There are citys in Westeros governed by citizens instead of nobles ?If there are they probably can have only infantry even too much of it. >>3030255Well it s really cool and the North is the perfect region for resources. But for make it right having more population (asking settlers to the high lords or to the king, buying a lot of cheap slaves from essos and make them free if they decide to work our lands and accept North culture/religion, raids for taking the barbarians from the north and make them work to death ecc. ..), perhaps more commerce that enters in our lands , other thinkers and inventors not just us (they are not a lot in this world and most of them don t have any idea of what they are doing .... but taking them and leaving them in a great laboratory near our castle could be an idea. We could even become friends with them) ..... and then if we don t die something else.Like Marching on Kings Landing with an army of these boys
>>3030309I think for settlers would could pay to have town cries say that we promise room, board, and pay to hard workers.And we could network with some ship captains to pay them to ferry men from the south up to us.It would not be unreasonable to think people might choose to come live up here.Offer like a stag a month and while they might not spend their lives here they could come to earn some dosh.
>>3030302Probably not super vibrant or gleaming but hell yeah >>3030304>>3030308Refer to pic related for a simple solution. Plus, as anon said, gambeson beneath it will help dampen the effect and its not like we cant make a couple size variants - only a matter of changing the dies.
>>3030309>>3030337The issue with mass immigration, as in the real world, is the loss of homogenity. If we take people from neighbouring lands, super. The North? Great. But the further we go from home the bigger the chance we pick up assholes along the way. Plus there is always the risk of spies. So although we sorely need people, might just keep it slow and steady and compensate with industry (which is the whole point anyway).
I think inventing the stove would really help our reputation in the north. I mean fireplaces are super wasteful when in comes to fuel efficacy.I recommend the rocket stove mass heater. It is super efficient and not hard to make like we could teach people how to make them pretty easily. Cutting down wood use for heat by like 75 to 90 % would be pretty amazing for the northern people.Its more of a goodwill project then a cash money project because the average northman is not rolling in dough. But having your name on the stove in almost everyone home in the north would be good for ones reputation.
>>3030309>1 Lords / nobles that don t care about it. Yeah we're quite lucky that Westeros is filled with "morally flexible" individuals who will happily use our guns.>If this two things are not enough then what about the eastern citys of Essos? a good amount of their forces are mercenary so knights are not really relevant. In their case, we'd be looking to meet with the Mercenary company leaders rather than city leaders given they are responsible for their own shit.>There are citys in Westeros governed by citizens instead of nobles ?Almost certainly, historically cities have a very interesting political position with separate inalienable rights granted over the centuries. Given how long Westeros has been a settled feudal society, the cities should be a god damn clusterfuck of political-favours from centuries past.>If there are they probably can have only infantry even too much of it. Eh, they could pull a Venice: rich nobles are expected to form a mounted militia force.>Everything elseTo increase the population of our land could prove somewhat difficulty however I can think of one solution: marriage. If we were to marry into the lands surrounding our own it is quite likely we could expand our effective power in all forms by merely absorbing existing resources.Alternatively, the establishing of industry, agriculture and other such things can attract population. Although the in-system ways of representing this only apply if population (or any other resource) is going to be improved anyway so we'd need good house rolls and to choose to improve population, it can't happen passively by this method.We could, as you say, get settlers from the king / high lords. However I'd also consider sending a letter to the Septon who made us into a lord and see if he could send a priest (House Fortune +1 and Resource Loss Mitigation of +1 Influence ) / any willing worshippers of the seven to civilise / settle our lands. In addition to our family, although they already sent us some troops but I see no reason not to see if they want to send us any more help. We might also consider looking for any disgraced or bankrupt people. Social outcasts, unlucky merchants, the homeless and so on. >>3030347Eh, we could probably afford to embellish it a bit more than that: maybe our double headed eagle crest on the certain of the chest or something. Although that would greatly complicate the moulding...maybe a project for later. Also we should clearly have pauldrons.
>>3030363Very true. Still once you start mass producing such things their cost drops into the range of being "cheap" so it is quite possible we could turn a profit.So many projects, so little time and money. Lord knows we could use another decade to get everything in place...
>>3030372We have a thousand decades if we play it safe. We can just keep starting over and doing it faster and better if things fall apart.
>>3030377I know but I want to try and get this done in one life if nothing else so next life, we if nothing else know we can get this stage of things finished. Also because I really enjoy reading from other character's points of view when they are reacting to our strangeness, our tech and just about everything even tangentially related to us.
>>3030363Nice idea when we have the time. For now, steam engines.>>3030368As I said before, lets be careful with immigrants lest we discover half the players of KL have a finger in our proverbial pie and guns start popping up elsewhere as well. As to armor, just a matter of changing the die. And we can, in fact, press pauldrons, shinguards, helmets etc. as well, even connect them up.>>3030372Aint that the truth.>>3030377We have all the time in the world unless we fuck with soul-eating magic.>pic related
>>3030355You have a point with having one culture one religion. But from what i understand we want founds from Ned and Stannis, they will ask for armys equipped with our weapons and trained by our officers. Armys. You can t produce that much with the current population we have. We need more. For deal with other spynetworks you need your own spynetwork
>>3030401Negative. They want arms, not soldiers. We provide goods, not men. Who they use to man the guns is their own business.
>>3030409>>3030363good idea too---why we are still not married ? waiting for the best alliance /decent&useful&fertile woman around they can throw at us ?>>3030409ah sorry i was meaning producing weapons/armors ecc.. not man.but for produce those quantitys you need more pop than now.
>>3030400True.>>3030401>Population, culture and unityI have a simple solution, a historical solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0wsziaWsBAWe use brutal training and remake whatever recruits we are sent into "Tallon "-ian men with a respect for chain of command and a love for us.>>3030409If that is currently the arrangement, they may change their minds but I'd admit I honestly can't think of any reason why they would want us doing the training beyond the possibility of us being considered a better trainer, at least to start with.
>>3030417Because marrying for tits will get us nothing/killed.Industry means instead of 50 smiths we can employ 5 workers and get the same results 10 times faster. Banking on that personally.>>3030419While a cult of personality is a great way to indoctrinate, we lack the charisma to pull it off, sadly.Nah, we sell weapons. Wouldnt want your men to be secretly hiding loyalty to some fucker half the word away waiting to betray you. Not that its likely, mind you, but its still a real possibility. A possibility thats all the more painful due to instagibbing guns.
>>3030431>Because marrying for tits will get us nothing/killed.He has a point though, we really should get round to see what women we can grab and start figuring out who is best.>While a cult of personality is a great way to indoctrinate, we lack the charisma to pull it off, sadly.Eh, something for a future life then.>Nah, we sell weapons. Honestly, we might be best off sticking to that for a little while until we know where the chips lie.
Also for money we could sell to arid desert places swamp boxes also known as Evaporative coolers.I think it could be powered by a sterling engine one of the easiest engines to make.You could also just make it pedal powered for some poor servant/slave to work out on.
>>3030431perfect i like it.so now i understand better the general idea : really slow growth of population and prepare slowly the birth of the industrial revolution but before the start of the civil war.but if the war kicks in and we are not ready or can t produce enough ?still not even the settlers from the same type of culture (northmen) and religion (oldgods) for let the population grows a bit more ? just enough for have more villages (5/10) that produce more food and a capital with more manpower for our projects.
>>3030440In our area, theres one unmarried ho with land available. Sadly, shes on the other side of the bay.BUT, wizard powers at 100 is pretty nice. >>3030449Maybe. Probably shelve it with the heater.
>>3030457Im not opposed to immigrants but we have to consider that as time goes on more and more spies and criminals will try to infiltrate. So if we want to grow that way we have to have protection in place - also something I think we should talk to Stark about - getting a spymaster, if its even possible.
>>3030459>In our area, theres one unmarried ho with land available. Sadly, shes on the other side of the bay.Dang, don't suppose there's anyone nearby with a daughter we could marry that is going to drop dead anytime soon?>BUT, wizard powers at 100 is pretty nice. Oh yeah. Ignoring our complete lack of magic knowledge but to be fair, that is par for the course for almost everyone currently so we can deal with that when we get to it.>>3030467Criminals I'd argue ain't that much of a bother. Spies I doubt we're going to see as many as you'd expect: we're a small fish to many given we're at most a minor northern lord that has some strange bang sticks to most.
>>3030368People with problems tend to brimg theirs with them
>>3030476True. The question is are they worth the difficulty of fixing those problems? Honestly I'm just throwing shit out there 99% of the time in the hopes that some of it is good.
Is there no bordering broad we could bang for land.
>>3030484Apparently not. Though I'll be honest I've no clue. Honestly, I'd consider banging the daughter of a merchant or a female merchant if we can given we could use it as a shortcut to loads of money.
>>3030474Consider the fact we are a kid that won a fortune on a bet, basically won the game of being a Measter, built his own ship and fancy guns, was instrumental in crushing the Ironborn fleet and now is doing business with both the Royal Navy and the North.We are actually pretty high up on the notice board.>>3030482As Trump said: "They are not the people we want.">>3030484Noooope. Sadly. Though we can probably buy some land but thats another can of worms.
>>3030486None in our area, maybe in WH, though considering the kinds of sums we need, the only merchants are probably across the sea or far down south.
Why dont we buy a shitton of slaves and made then indentured serfs instead. Hopefully negating the bad press
>>30304931) Neds going to NOPE us right in the ass for that.2) Educated slaves be expensive, uneducated slaves be useless, both are hardly what youd call loyal.
>>3030467okay(but spys would just avoid to be farmers and try to be in the capital, and at least as a worker. Plus spys can be stopped until a certain point, and also after have steal our stuff they need to understand it. and if we just take northmens and old gods the chances are more low. i don t have say they don t exist anymore but more low.)there are probably people like that :- criminals- members of religious assassins - spynetworks of nobles- people that do that for hobbyafter finding one you need to give him founds for recruit and train spys, plus safehouses, perhaps a secret headquarter, weapons ecc..
>>3030467and i agree with talking to Stark for that
>>3030488>We are actually pretty high up on the notice board.I suppose but I'd argue they have little reason to put their spies here rather than around Stark or somewhere else, we're a impressive arms dealer nothing more.>As Trump said: "They are not the people we want."Yeah but they are the only ones we can have: the good people are ones who won't come because they can easily get employment in this society.>>3030491True, still marrying a merchant would also get us ships, contacts and so on.
>>3030497 *religious assassins orders
>>3030493It would make our lands awash in nigs.
>>3030496Eh, Ned isn't against to buying slaves and letting them pay back to you for the favor provided you don't go full Pentos with that shit and bond them forever with a debt spiral.Main issue will be that doing so will be extremely costly and anywhere that tends to sell slaves usually doesn't have first men or Andals, which causes cultural conflicts.If you wanted Andals tho, trying to set up an underground railroad sort of thing to allow bonded servants to escape Pentos is possible, but will earn you enemies amongst the wealthy Pentoshi, although it will certainly endear you to the faith and Andals.
>>3030502Stark already has spies/antispies.We lack both - a prime target for Varys and his contemporaries.
>>3031575Starks don't actually tend to have a spy network. If they did, people wouldn't get away with first night in the North.They do keep tabs on their vassals to an extent, but Ned does respect privacy of his vassals to a large extent and trusts they don't break their oaths or the King's laws.Breaking that trust however he does take very seriously.As to anti spies, just about everyone he has working for him has a known background. This tends to be the standard for how Lords combat spying.
>>3031620Stark definitely has spies. Might not be in every court and super nosy, but he would be a fool to rule the North blind.As to loyal men with a known background, yeah, thats ideal. However if we start importing more than a few people that defence goes straight out the window.
>>3031638Depends on your definition of spies.He does likely have an information network, which gets him news from each region he rules over, but it's unlikely he actually sends spies to courts themselves unless it's warranted and in such cases it's likely an investigation rather than outright spying.Starks always exerted surprising little direct control over their vassals which makes sense considering the distances and the nature of Northern culture.
>>3031703Well, Varys' whole schtick is lots of "informants" everywhere. Same with every other Lord, just some do it better than others.
Also when it's a question between doing the honourable or the smart thing, Starks are prone of choosing the former.
>>3031707Nah, Varys actually has people eavesdropping in courts, stealing letters and bribing people for information.Ned is unlikely to do that without a very good reason.
>>3031712Oh sure, Ned wont snoop our letters. But you can bet your ass at least a couple dudes report to dudes who report to Ned on what we do here. >>3031709Fair. Still, hes not dumb or blind about whats happening in his lands, remote as they may be.
>>3031713if Ned likes us, we should be a bit more safe right ? and our small spynetwork could born without problems.Are primitive greenhouses possible ? if i rememer corectly the greater issue for villages and farms of northmens is producing food and heat during winter, that s why they don t have a lot of citys or a greater population.if we combine primitive greenhouses with >>3030363 the primitive stoves we could help all the North immensely .
>>3031763and introduce in their diet new fruits and vegetables
Also for achieve human flight a hot air balloon is the fastest way ?we should also give a demonstration of a new type of siege warfare in the near future. We could ask toNed after the affair is conclude (and maybe ask for some settlers, and spys protection), if is interested in one of our new ideas.if he say yes, we could ask him to build a small stone fort/castle near Winterfell and we will give him the demonstration after a year or two (with some cannons and mortars).at that point we can make a new affair and sell cannons and mortars too, and perhaps tell to him how the new types of castles should be built for stand more this new sieges (at a good price).and if he wants Jon can stay with us and become a future commander of is modernize armys, instead of going to the wall.
I am still hoping we become not!Prussia eventually.
>>3031784Yeah but if we're gonna try and pull a Prussia there are a long list of investments we will need to make.Also I still say that we can easily accept a large number of immigrants, given the current conception of a nation is "a region under a army / person" rather than a unity of religion, race and ideals. So long as we are smart in introducing new populous to the land we should have little issue.
>>3031804So long as they aren't foreigners, should be fine.
>>3031804Give me an example of how you would do this. Select who? Put where? Mitigate spy risk how? etc.If you have a gold plan, sure. Thus far it seems we are better off being conservative, especially considering the high enough crime level as is.
>>3031820Depends on how you declare foreigners. We are in an empire made of 7 kingdoms each consisting of multiple sub-cultures and different mixes of religion. If you mean they are Westerosi, then that would be easy. If you mean they are northerners, that is harder but still doable. If you mean they are from our region, that could prove near impossible for the amount of manpower we want.>>3031821>Give me an example of how you would do this. Select who? Put where? Mitigate spy risk how? etc.I'd look for young people and married couples. Maybe some orphans depending on the age of them. Obvious places to look are places where famine, overpopulation (e,g population exceeding food supply or work demand) or other such issues would make people willing to move. I also previously stated I'd send a letter to the Septon who performed our ceremony and ask if he could send any faithful north to help us. Even if all we get is a priest (a personage we are currently lacking) and a few laymen they could be trusted considering what that man thought of us for our behaviour in the war however we might manage to gain a fair number of new people.I'd probably assign them plots of land to farm as well as funding a limited number of businesses: for example getting all the blacksmiths to agree to share ownership of a far larger and better workshop than anyone of them would have been able to afford alone even with our help by sharing their ownership and essentially forming a forge-company.Spy risk could be mitigated by keeping our more secretive methods behind lock and guard.>If you have a gold plan, sure. Thus far it seems we are better off being conservative, especially considering the high enough crime level as is.I suppose but I would point out the crime level will resolve itself once we have enough of an army to actually patrol our lands as well as through our House rolls. It's less so there is a surplus of criminals in our lands currently, more accurately it is just impossible for us to enforce our law as effectively as we might like.Fact is I don't see why spies are as big a risk as you make them out to be. Perhaps if they were to learn how to make gunpowder they could be a minor risk but even then it was previously stated by OP that guns aren't going to become a major thing in Westeros even if every major lord had the ability to produce them for at least a war or two. No reason to believe anyone is going to send a spy over something they have such a small interest in investing in. At worst we have a competing seller of gunpowder but I doubt they'd manage to get the funding together to start producing it.Honestly, if we take in a bunch of people and they start causing problems (outside of the spy business) then we can eliminate them or exile them but I just doubt it will be an issue until we prove gunpowder is anything more than a slightly nifty new weapon.
Right, taking this >>3030028 then.Give me 4d6 since you're apparently going to do a couple of long shots with the rifle.
Rolled 4, 2, 3, 2 = 11 (4d6)>>3031867I gotchu
Rolled 5, 2, 1, 6 = 14 (4d6)>>3031867
Rolled 3, 6, 2, 2 = 13 (4d6)>>3031867
>>3031869>>3031870>>3031871Jesus these are some mediocre rolls.
How delightfully mediocre
>>3031875I mean, we're a pretty good marksman so it's not like it is that bad right?
>>3031877We won't shoot somebody's eye out, probably.
>>3031879Yeah I know but seeing as we're meant to be making a good showing of these weapons, I'd rather hope we impress them.
Rolled 5, 3, 3 = 11 (3d6)
>>3031847Agree on people selection, would add the caveat that we only choose people from the north/our area.Just a septon wont give us bonuses, need to invest in the holding (5-10G), Seven are at odds with local northern worship (might or might not be a problem), septons can and do lie and anyone without a tie to us is susceptible to bribes, especially southerners.Farming/living land is nice but no free stuff. Offer them jobs in *our* factory/smithy.Whats to stop a spy from starting work in a factory and over the course of a year learning the inner details?Crime level is a bitch to buy off, especially if we import foreigners.Until we get a better alternative in steam engines, gunpowder will be our ace. Sure, in a decade some will start to put it together but we will want to postpone it as far as possible.Maybe, but considering people are assholes and out for themselves Id rather be safe than sorry. Besides, we dont need so much Pop right now so going slow is a good option, especially when we havent done much to get the locals to love us.All-in-all, I agree importing selected individuals is a good idea, especially from our area/trusted sources, but I would put any large scale imports off for at least a few years, since merely getting a steam engine factory going will take years.>>3031869oof>>3031948double oof
>How about a Demonstration?>Mediocre Marksmanship roll[1/2]"How about a little appetizer then before we get to the meat of things? Won't be much trouble to get a couple of guns out so you can have a go at them."He mulls it over a bit and nods"Very well, I'll have the men finish up while they set up the archery range.""I don't suppose you've wooden targets instead of the usual straw ones? It's a lot easier to see what you've hit if there's a battered shield or something we can shoot.""I'll see it done.""Oh, and probably wanna warn people not to have horses out of stables when we do this."He raises his eyebrow and nods before shooing you away."Alright lads, looks like we're performing early. Time to open up the goodie basket."You went to your room and picked up a couple of pistols, a smoothbore musket and of course your rifle from your travel chest. Naturally the chest was reinforced with steel as it did contain your valuables. You had set it up so that there's a combination lock that opens up the key hole with both the key and the lock being a slightly more modern make than the usual lockboxes to make it a bit more difficult for those who'd try to pick the lock.Covered in guns and ammo pouches, you swaggered your way back. Yes, you could very well have left this part for your men, but there's a certain extent of enjoyment you do take from having a legitimate excuse to walk around with this much firepower."~ ...pretty Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, We love you...~"As you reached back to the courtyard the men who were previously sparring were now gathered around the archery range, clearly interested in what's going to happen along with some servants."Alrighty then Ser Rodrik, oh, pardon me, may I call you Ser Rodrik?""Call me as you like Lord Tallon.""Fantabulous. Now, let's get started small."You say as you rest your guns and pouches on a nearby table."This here's the average service pistol we're using. Splendid sidearm, range is about a stone's throw and accuracy probably something similar, but of course this varies based on the skill and quality of one's weapon."You stick your hand into a pouch and pull out a lead ball"Now these are what we'll be shooting. Lead's a nice and hefty metal, so it's gonna smart right and proper when you get these in your gutter, but first..."you take out the powder horn"This is the stuff that's gonna be propelling the lead ball across the field."You stick some into the pan of the pistol, cock and pull the trigger."See? Lock makes sparks, ignites the powder and poof! The Fire from the ignition goes to the barrel and makes the powder in the gun go poof. Of course, since it's got only one direction to go... well let's see what happens shall we?"
[2/2]You take a premeasured amount of powder and stick it in the barrel."Then we stick the ball in there with the wadding, prime the pan and it's ready to fire."You point towards the shield they set up in the field."You may wish to cover your ears, these things are a tad loud."As you pull the trigger, thunder of the gunfire filled the courtyard, echoing from the stone walls."Let's have a lookie at the shield shall we Ser Rodrik?"You put the pistol on the table go and pick up the shield, raising it high above your head so people can see."A Hole's a hole. Is what I call it. Didn't offer much protection. See them splinters on the field?"Ser Rodrik takes the shield and begins to inspect it personally before putting it back."You wanna have a go next?"He turns to you"If it please you.""Well come on then."You had Lucan walk him through the loading process again before he took his first shot. Then you moved on to the bigger guns. "Nice, now that you've got the basic gist of the sidearms, let's move to the primary infantry weapon my lads use. Function is essentially the same, but the barrel is longer for more accuracy and power.""If your weapons can rip apart Ironwood shields, I don't think more power is really necessary.""Nonsense. What will you do if some punk kids go and strap bunch of plate armor on a grizzly bear? I do not wish to live in a world ruled by invincible bears."He snorts"Right, enough tomfoolery, let's do some shooting."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrhesYjS4REHe actually manages to hit a target at 100 yards with his smoothbore after which you pull out your rifle and do a hit from 200 yards with your rifle."Well shot.">Do you wish to tell him it's because of rifling?>Y: Full disclosure, you can make really accurate guns.>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.>Write-in
>>3031991>>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.NOOOOOOONot telling them we have better shit than what we are selling, otherwise we will need to supply those goddam guns. Simple is better, not like we can make bored rifles en masse anyway. And leave a bit of mystery still.
>>3031970>Agree on people selection, would add the caveat that we only choose people from the north/our area.Fair enough.>A septon wont give us bonuses, need to invest in the holding (5-10G)See you say that but considering we got the Maesters who now fill courtly positions (Steward (Seneschal), Barrister, Magistrate) without direct monetary investment (I know we traded valuable information but not actual wealth) I disagree with your assessment. >Seven are at odds with northern worship (might be a problem), septons can and do lie and anyone without a tie to us is susceptible to bribes, especially southerners.True but given the Septon I want assistance from liked us I believe he would send us good people. As to religious tensions, we are a follower of the Seven, the people are either going to have a problem with us or be able to tolerate us bringing in a few people. Especially if we are seen to not favour either side / bring in northern worshippers.>Farming land is nice but no free stuff. Offer them jobs in *our* factory/smithy.'d never made any mention of free stuff. I suppose you might be talking about the investing in businesses thing but I would remind you I specify us being a partial owner which means it would be (partly) our factory. Still just a suggestion.>Whats to stop a spy from starting work in a factory and over the course of a year learning the inner details?The fact that we aren't going to have them ever be assembling or manufacturing every single part? I'd assume we are going to introduce the production line. Also the fact that you are massively over calculating the abilities of spies in universe. Given most are flies-on-the-wall sorts rather than saboteurs or assassins.>Crime level is a bitch to buy off, especially if we import foreigners.Easier to police our land if we can employ some of those foreigners to strengthen our severely undermanned military.>Until we get a better alternative in steam engines, gunpowder will be our ace. Sure, in a decade some will start to put it together but we will want to postpone it as far as possible.And I am telling you that OP has stated even if everyone knew how gunpowder and guns worked, they'd still take years and multiple conflicts for them to really start appearing in any great numbers.
>>3031991>>Y: Full disclosure, you can make really accurate guns.
>>3032025>Maybe, but considering people are assholes and out for themselves Id rather be safe than sorry. Besides, we dont need so much Pop right now so going slow is a good option, especially when we haven't done much to get the locals to love us.I suppose. On the point of the local people I have little idea how to make them love us but to be honest my best suggestion would be getting law enforced and working to improve the region they live in.>All-in-all, I agree importing selected individuals is a good idea, especially from our area/trusted sources, but I would put any large scale imports off for at least a few years, since merely getting a steam engine factory going will take years.Eh, I think importing people to establish many small industries to diversify our local economy would be smart. That way our projects will be able to source from local experts and production facilities reducing the risk of others getting to study our tech and also reducing costs, travel time and risk of theft.Especially because the more people and industries we have, the less dependent we and the north are on the rest of the 7 kingdoms. Which could prove very important given what we know is coming. Also because having a bunch of freemen we can recruit into our guard.>>3031991>Write-inExplain that we can make really accurate guns but that these are far costlier to produce, harder to maintain and the ammo takes more effort to produce. State we'd happily make one for lord stark if he would like one but that we don't think these are feasible for armies.
>>3031847>Guns aren't going to become a major thing in Westeros even if every major lord had the ability to produce them for at least a war or two.More to the point, they can't really impliment massive gunpowder armies even if they wanted to. There'd be massive amount of lobbying against it from pre-existing institutions. The Knights, the Bowyer's, the Crossbow manufacturers, the Armorers, the people who produce the raw materials to support those industries, warhorse breeders and I'm sure a vast amount of other businesses would likely go under if Guns would end up replacing them.Such an action would cause a massive threat to a great many houses who would likely flip out in face of such a drastic change to the economy as well as social order and few high lords would be willing to deal with the backlash and few lesser lords would have the resources to actually try and acquire and reproduce your recipe.
>>3032061Yeah societal inertia is a bitch sometimes. Luckily here in the north and in the near future, the lords will want every advantage they can get. Letting us rip them off for every nickel they have.
>>3032066Yea, in the North people are a lot more far apart from eachother and there's not as strictly set culture of knights as in the south where they're tied to the religion. Heavy Cavalry do hold similar rank and prestige, but they don't have codes of chivalry about courtly behavior.Besides, if you do go far enough in the boonies at the North, you can actually start to run into areas where peasants are still utilizing Flint and Bronze tools more commonly than iron and steel due to having so infrequent trade access and little to trade with.
>>3031991>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.Let's try and keep at least some of our cards close to our chest.
>>3031991>>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.
>>3032026>>3032041Do bare in mind that we want to keep the best toys for ourselves for obvious reasons.The Mannis was already asking questions about our more efficient flintlock guns when we gave (or sold, I forget) him some matchlock ones; if we reveal the existence of rifling then people with the power to do so will start applying pressure on us to sell them those, as well.Once we have percussion caps & bolt-action rifles for ourselves, then we can 'miraculously invent' rifling & sell those more accurate guns to everyone else secure in the knowledge that we still have better guns for our own forces.
>>3032061the mercenary companys of Essos and citys not governed by nobles in Westeros can be possible customers ? even if minor ones if we confront them with nobles.
>>3032072>Yea, in the North people are a lot more far apart from each other and there's not as strictly set culture of knights as in the south where they're tied to the religion. Yep.>Heavy Cavalry do hold similar rank and prestige, but they don't have codes of chivalry about courtly behavior.Yep. Plus in our new model army (to make use of a historical name) we still use cavalry, although admittedly of a light shock variant but still. Plus we'll probably have dragoons as well so it's not like cavalry is going to stop being a thing for the rich and powerful to join.>Besides, if you do go far enough in the boonies at the North, you can actually start to run into areas where peasants are still utilising Flint and Bronze tools more commonly than iron and steel due to having so infrequent trade access and little to trade with.Yeah which is really weird to me given how long the region has been inhabited and the fact they know it can be done. Though I suppose the occasional winter essentially resetting much of society every so often is a good way to screw up trade.>>3032091>Do bare in mind that we want to keep the best toys for ourselves for obvious reasons.Why though? Fact is we're a relatively minor lord with some very interesting tales surrounding him. We aren't going to be leading armies, at most we'll be put in charge of the gunpowder troops of the realm and even then that'd probably just be for training.>The Mannis was already asking questions about our more efficient flintlock guns when we gave (or sold, I forget) him some matchlock ones; if we reveal the existence of rifling then people with the power to do so will start applying pressure on us to sell them those, as well.Unless we make it sound like it's too costly for what it does and the main reason we developed it was curiosity / wanting the best for ourselves. Which in turn allows us to sell them to nobles for a pretty penny.>Once we have percussion caps & bolt-action rifles for ourselves, then we can 'miraculously invent' rifling & sell those more accurate guns to everyone else secure in the knowledge that we still have better guns for our own forces.Mate we ain't getting anything near that level of technology any time soon.
I am curious about whether we can do some economic reform in our land.I am not sure about how westeros economy work though, what kind of Taxes system do we use? Do merchants have to pay a toll to go through our territory?Now is the best time to decide what our economy will look like, since we don’t have many people.
>>3032124>I am not sure about how westeros economy work though, what kind of Taxes system do we use?Traditional feudal taxation I'd suppose. Given the small governments (in terms of admin staff) of Westeros, it's doubtful our taxation is accurate or particularly complex.Do merchants have to pay a toll to go through our territory?Nope. Although that is something we can construct in our territory along roads and rivers.
>>3032128We should only set that up when there is somthing they want to buy here. Otherwise they will just avoid the land.
>>3032133>>3032128>>3032124My question is, if we will derive most of our income through guns, would the introduction of a sales tax and the elimination of Goingthroughourland tax be reasonable? The goal being to draw more people to us while not losing out on too much tax revenue.
>>3032128Well that’s good, and bad, if people had the habit of making merchant pay tax we could have waived it to get some merchant trafic through our land, ah well.What exactly was the traditional feudal taxation? Was it a fixed taxes?
>>3032139Yeah it was a fixed tax/we take what we want. As it's kinda hard to do complex tax laws without a computer and a profession around it.>>3032137How do we enforce a sales tax without recites and computers, it seems difficult and too complex a system would be rife with corruption.
>>3032142How about we greatly reduce farming taxes and concentrate on transaction taxes? That would make it easier to keep track off as basically every transaction happen within he city, if we reduce farming taxes our farmer will have more money to buy things, which in turn will attract merchant, who in turn will buy our stuff, while also feeding our industry.If we make a working crop rotation system for our farmers it would get even better...
>>3032133Eh, somewhat true but I'd point out that the thing never causes an issue according to the system. Still, it's benefits aren't actually that useful compared to some of the other things we could possibly develop in our lands.>>3032137>sales taxOh sweet jesus that'd be a bad idea. That ends with books being cooked or us needing lots of tax staff. >The goal being to draw more people to us while not losing out on too much tax revenue.Alternatively we offer half-taxes for all newcomers for two years. It's a major loss of income but the benefits of additional trade through our land could possibly counter it. Also the fact that we need population for the gunpowder industry, which is where we plan on making money rather than taxes, renders this more effective.>>3032139>What exactly was the traditional feudal taxation? Complicated: essentially a farmer (assuming they were a serf) would owe a set percentage of their crops to their lord which was a mixture of taxation and rent for the land they worked on which belonged to the lord (something to consider taking advantage of). If they were a free-man farmer however, things get complicated. Chances are they'd still pay taxes albeit at a lower rate however they'd be expected to train as a archer or spearman to form a warband for the local lord using their own money.Merchants enter a weird position. Mostly because trade in feudal times is complicated and rare: some cities would merely charge a flat tax for entry and right to sell; others would use charters and regulate who could sell what in return for different taxes. Overall tax systems are simple, robust yet imprecise: a result of a lack of officials to maintain a more complex system and a lack of data to inform them on the earnings of people to create a more accurate system. At best we're looking at Byzantine systems of taxation but even they were hugely inaccurate at times.>Was it a fixed taxes?Chances are yes. Fixed taxes are easy yet inaccurate and insensitive to the economies woes and successes.
>>3032161I like the half taxes idea a lot, why not go for quarter taxes as we only would be losing income we already dont have so regardless more people is a net gain. We will need to develop farming techniques for the land now though to support the population.
>>3032168Eh, half-tax rolls off the tongue easier but still.
>>3032160Farming on our scale is trivial, moreover the people that will someday be the middle class are the citydwelling factory workers, not the farmers, since we will be dumping lots of coin into industry.>>3032161Fair enough, even at our level the sales tax will probably be hard to enforce, especially since its done nowhere else (is it?). Flat tax it is. Have a converter for your troubles.
>>303217532nd tax.>>3032180Nah, it's fine. I honestly enjoy this side of things. I've always found the running of nations and the planning of grand projects fun.
>>3032186Ditto, though I enjoy the industry aspect more than fuffing about with decrees.
>>3032186Sixtyfourth taxThe peasants will be very confused when a decree goes out saying any new arrivals are paying 512th tax.
>>3032187Eh, industry is a bit frustrating because of our limitations. So much potential yet so little possibility.>>3032193>Sixtyfourth tax128th tax.>The peasants will be very confused when a decree goes out saying any new arrivals are paying 512th tax.Past a certain point we should just start giving them in powers of 2. Also 4096th tax is clearly superior.
>>3032199Why we need to focus on getting proper three-stage steam engines out ASAP.
>>3032199When it comes to nation building I feel like we are doing it far to soon. We should be trying to get our stats up first, I'm not sure what post life gains we really are getting out of this. We really should have just spend the 60 as a master prototyping everything we will need for the future ahead of time.256th tax
>>3032210Thats where steam comes in. Also getting a Dreadnought is nice.
>>3032207I was more so meaning our limitations in terms of lacking a body of experienced craftsmen to make shit, money to fund shit and connections to get shit done.>>3032210>When it comes to nation building I feel like we are doing it far to soon. I somewhat agree but on the other hand I see no reason not to have a go at it given this has worked out well thus far. Fact is being a lord means we have far more connections and power than a mere Maester providing us with the opportunity to try shit that we otherwise couldn't.For example, I'd suggest we should do far less designing this time round and instead burn through some wealth prototyping whatever we make.
>>3032241Consider the fact that in the scale of running a demense, prototyping a small copper steam engine costs fuck-all but time on our part so until we go large-scale there will be no cost outside tools (lathe etc.) but those are needed for a workshop anyway.
>>3032251True. Plus we could sell the steam engine prototype as a curiosity to the Maesters, given the chances of them actually spreading knowledge of it and shit is very low.
>>3032259Rather not. While it is true they would probably take years if not decades to replicate it, giving them a head start with a fully-functional prototype is not wise.
>>3032180>>3032180but there is literally no farming in our lands, and a remind that the lands we have are still vast.not in the North but a minor lord of the south will reach the moon for control the size we have.so a bit of investments there could really help our land and grow our native population especially if we want to support an industry that as the possibility of produce weapons for the armys of 2 high lords : not one, two !still with just some small investments (and try new researchs maybe a primitive green houses for avoid during winter that they don t produce food or they start to die and asking Ned for some northmen settlers, agriculture could be fine.------industry (and researching) is the priority but we need to give it a solid base, rely too much on trade and avoid completly agriculture could be an error.>>3032234what about hot air balloons ?also think of cannons and mortars.
>>3032262True but imagine how much money we could get. Hell I'd sell it to the Manderly's or Starks or even directly to the king if I thought they'd be as interested and able to pay.>>3032263>ut there is literally no farming in our lands, and a remind that the lands we have are still vast.Actually no. The system of holdings is that there may well be farms in our lands currently, they just don't produce a large enough surplus to really matter.
Still waiting for us to make that goddamn distillery>>3032180Might no be totally true, do remember that food is probably more expensive, and important than it was in medieval europe because of the fuck you all winter, if we can get a rich class of farmer to spend their money on produced goods it would definitely help kickstart our industryFarming on our scale might be pretty trivial, but then again, our territory is pretty trivial too. We got lot of land, and while we might be industrializing, we are literally the only place doing it at the moment.
>>3032263There is enough farming to sustain our pop but not enough to turn us a profit. Besides, take into account that mechanical limitations of the system (1 "building" per plot of land +Pop upgrades) abd we are running out of space fast. As to winter food, why not just make an icebreaker and a trawler fleet? So much fish we need a cannery to use it all, which, coincidentally, is also a great idea. Far more practical and novel than farms or inefficient greenhouses.Hot air balloons are pretty shite, better try to get a simple blimp going (airplane motors help a lot with efficiency here), cannons and mortars need steam engines to really take off (bore a cannon in 30 minutes, make a breech loader in a day etc.).So still, full power to steam.
>>3032272So if we are the only ones industrializing, why bother doing anything but playing to our strenght?
>>3032270Maybe, MAYBE to Ned, but if we ever sell it down south you bet your ass people will have it looked at. Unless its a phenominally shitty engine with most of the useful parts missing (why would we ever build it then) there is no point. Besides, wont actually cost that much until we have proven the tech in our workshops years down the line, so moot point I think.
>>3032274That's a very good idea mass fishing! Their waters are probably gold mines considering we haven't destroyed the ecosystems yet.
>>3032291Keep in mind a trawler can get much deeper than a "regular" fishing boat, meaning untapped resources.
>>3032300Soo much fish it will be amazing
>>3032288Eh, I think your overestimating how much importance people would place on it. Most would see it as a neat little machine or a strange purchase. It'd take someone with mechanical knowhow to actually consider the benefits of it.Plus the benefit of continuing to be the famous mad inventor is nice.>>3032291Oh god we could trawl these waters. Not to mention that this far north there should be whelks, clams and other molluscs along with crabs, lobsters and shrimp.Fuck it, who needs plants we will live on fish.
>>3032270>>3032274Ok. >>3032274But for medieval armys they are still pretty good and untouchable up there, and you can communicate with some glass for give info. And for our character it could lead to think of something bigger and trying a blimp next time. Same with cannons and mortars. >So still, full power to steam.I agree (since it could lead to many other creations or improve drastically past ones), it s the most important technology we could have. But if we have spare time making cannons and mortars it s not a bad idea.>As to winter food, why not just make an icebreaker and a trawler fleet? So much fish we need a cannery to use it all, which, coincidentally, is also a great idea. Far more practical and novel than farms or inefficient greenhouses.For our situation your idea is more than perfect. We can grow our native population with the sea instead of the land, and grow a lot. But selling or giving greenhouse and stoves >>3030363 in the rest of the North could be a thing to do after steam tech . (It could improve relations with the Starks and North nobles and our reputation with the northmens).
>>3032352Balloons are very stationary and if we are already pursuing heavier than air flight might as well just jump to blimps since our MC knows the principle anyway. As to cannons etc. we can make them far more easily with powered machines to bore precisely. A breechloader is easier to make by machine then by hand, after all. Same with explosive shells etc.
Before we try and make any big thing with a lot of steel in it, let’s not forget that we not only need to upgrade our steel production method... but also our mining method, otherwise we are going to choke on the absolutely ridiculous price.
>>3032361then all the efforts to steam power.seriously the idea of the cannery, icebreaker and a trawler fleet is perfect for us.this makes me think of navigation tools ... do we already have a compass ?
>>3032369You gave one to Stannis and one Davos just before the war."GG Well played with the onions. Here, have a device that tells you which way is North regardless of clouds, rain or fog. It's totally not magic btw, you can believe me, I'm someone you can trust."
>>3032368I present to you: the humble steam engine! Able to pump water and air out and into mines, pump heated air into blast furnaces and converters and power all manner of machinery to do the heavy lifting. Simply brilliants.>>3032369We have compasses. Plus navigation is not that big of an issue in the Bite.
>>3032382"It only explodes occasionally!"
>>3032388"Goddammit Gregory! I told you not to let the water level get too low. And no, "my fingers are freezing off" is no excuse to waste valuable energy on heating instead of making guns. Have to put you back in the Coal Mines of Public Decency Education again."
>>3032396Oh god you made me realise something: when the winter comes we can use our steam tech to create a heated underground city ala a more realistic frostpunk.
>>3032401Just build giants steam heat generators right outside the wall, we will melt the white walkers.
>>3032401"Sir Tallon, I cant help but notice that your city has been empty for some time now. Has a disaster befallen you that I am not aware of?""Nope. Just moved all my people into my new underground factory bunkers. Keeps them warm and I can make more guns that way as well - less distance on minerals, you understand.."
>>3032407Let's just take over the underground of the world like skaven.
>>3032380that s cool >>3032382but what about the ocean ? we could produce so much fish, that we could monopolize it in the North.and our native population will have a cheap secure product to buy, and that means more growth.besides with the power of steam we can start making whalers and hunt whales and that means we can get their oil.
>>3032405A question which occurs to me, how efficient is wildfire as a fuel? It's said to melt steel reliably so must burn pretty god damn hot so we could use that and really get some work out of a engine.Also in regards to the white walkers, grind dragon glass into a powder and mix it into the lead for our musket, cannon and blunderbuss shot. It'll shred the bastards and sound cool as shit. Literal dragon rounds. Plus, we could easily make some simple hand grenades / land mines to deal with them.>>3032407>"Nope. Just moved all my people into my new underground factory bunkers. Keeps them warm and I can make more guns that way as well - less distance on minerals, you understand.."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eeOPm2j-t4Welcome to Powder-Lord Tallon's war city, the only city left in the north after the wall fell because no one listened to the one guy with a good plan.
>>3032488Nono me to weak to betray.
>>3032442Wildfire might be a good material for welding steel pieces but there a reason coal is not used in a copper oven. As to dragonglass, the funny thing is that guns have Penetration 10 and with whitewalkers having armor 7 or so the bullets are effective even against them. Literal cureall.>>3032491"All tunnels lead to Undertown"
>>3032519>As to dragonglass, the funny thing is that guns have Penetration 10 and with whitewalkers having armor 7 or so the bullets are effective even against them. Literal cureall."So how did you defeat the whitewalkers lord Tallon? Some masterful sorcery?""Fuck no, we just shot the bastards and they died like regular men."
>>3032527"Well we thought not much could survive being turned into a fine paste. And as it turned out undead monsters follow those same rules.
I am more worried about the Ice zombies, bullet won’t do much to them...Steampunk flamethrower when?
>>3032558>Steampunk flamethrower when?Oh christ no. Historically flamethrowers are the most insanely dangerous thing ever, primarily for their users.
>>3032562Yeah, well, ice zombie apocalypse call for a bit of risk taking :PUnless you have a better idea to deal with the zombies?
>>3032562Wild fire throwers.
>>3032581>Unless you have a better idea to deal with the zombies?Dragon glass shards / powder in all of our gunpowder projectiles along with some explosive charges / grenades.>>3032590Could we not. That's one of the most dangerous possible combination of weapons and materials ever.
>>3032562>>3032581>>3032590No no. Flammenwerfer is actually a pretty safe weapon. The danger comes from every fucker and their mother on the opposing side targeting you as soon as you come strolling. As to wildfire-werfers, hell no. It might just decide to asplode as soon as you look at the canister in the truck the wrong way. NOT a reliable weapon.
>>3032602>>3032595Comon guys warpfire.. I I mean wildfire throwers are perfectly safe machines with no chance of horribly maiming the user. Not at all.
>>3032618"The reported death rates are Fake News. There has never been.. *BOOM*.... If you join me over here we can look at our latest steam engine assembly lines. Come on, hurry along now, thats it, inside the bunker we go."
>>3032581what about an acid launcher ? Or we can just prepare a lot of artillery and reduce in ash the undead. >>3032595>Dragon glass shards / powder in all of our gunpowder projectiles along with some explosive charges / grenades.and this too, we just need access to it or a reliable merchant that can give it to us.also is possible to take smiths that know how to make valyrian steel ? or their cost is prohibitive ?but before all of this we should search some similar people to us. Inventors are probably rare, mad, illiterate and unreliable but they could help a lot in our researches. if we find them.
>>3032664Nobody know how to make valyrian steel, some smiths know how to rework it though.
>>3032558We could build a bunch of Liven's flame projectors under The Wall: - https://youtu.be/Q3Y-_zt4Qe8How they work is fun: You build it underground, then, when the time comes to deploy it, the nozzle pops up through the ground like one of the loudspeakers in Teletubbies & disgorges a three hundred foot burst of flame. the operator remains underground & directs the nozzle via periscope.
>>3032664>smiths that know how to make valyrian steel This anon >>3032701is correct; there is currently no-one who can make Valyrian steel: I think it needed magic to create? In any case the only remaining Valyrian steel items are left over from the actual Valyrians (although it can be re-worked with the right know-hoe & equipment).
Wow; this thread's pretty quite right now, huh?
>>3032664Nobody actually knows how to make Valyrian steel anymore, but Valyrians had one of the most cartoonishly evil Empire in their day as they practiced in slavery, torture, human sacrifice, mind control, social engineering, atheism and recreational marijuana.Considering that these are people who modeled their entire society based on a metal album cover, it's safe to assume lot of Valyrian artifacts were probably made with some pretty edgy shit.
>>3032664Only inventors ever mentioned in ASOIAF are Tyroshi who make torture devices and Intricate helmets in shape of birds chased with precious metals.Basically if you want to make an Orphan Stomper, that's where you wanna go.
>>3033382Question, how easily could we create some simple parlour / magic tricks and how impressive would these be to others?Considering our whole mad inventor / magician vibe, we might as well play into it and try to use it to impress others / get money. After all if we become famous enough we could ply the trade at the king's court for money and prestige. If nothing else it's a nice thing to have to make us seem powerful and mysterious, would also be useful for future lives as a way to make money.
>>3033539We just made fireworks. Thats an actual product vs shitty smoke and mirrors. No point doing petty tricks while steam engines are both marvellous and astoundingly useful.
>>3033556I suppose but fireworks are fairly expensive and are a single trick that might people can lose interest. Plus I don't think we can easily transport a steam engine to every party we go to.
>>3033560And why would we need to? The fact we can magic 100x the goods in half the time and with a thousanth of the workers speaks for itself.Also, gunpowder is cheap and fireworks will not wear off any time soon. Still havent IRL.
>>3033562>And why would we need to?Because few people are going to invite the guy who is famous for inventing a more complicated replacement for a waterwheel even if he is producing lots more with it. Compared to the guy who does cool magic tricks.>The fact we can magic 100x the goods in half the time and with a thousandth of the workers speaks for itself.I think you are seriously overestimating the capacity of the industry we are going to be creating anytime soon.>Also, gunpowder is cheapWe are the sole producer of gunpowder in the world. Every firework is a reduction in the profits of our business elsewhere which means they must be priced to an equal degree as the amount of powder they consume. > fireworks will not wear off any time soon. Still haven't IRL.When I say that people could lose interest, compared to magic tricks which remain impressive because they are seemingly magic, colourful explosions are only entertaining for so long.
>>3033539I thought the point of going to North was to avoid the King's Court?
>>3033585I thought we went north because we were offered landed titles here.
>>3033571it could really backfire and we appear as a stupid fool everytime we go in a court. Doesn t sound so good, maybe with some kids or some very naive nobles.it would be better to interest ourself in the fine arts (or in other matters of the nobility) : learn to use a musical instrument, poetry, sculpting or painting.or we can just invite artists in our court and make it more modern, becoming a patron of the arts.anyway it sound too risky to involve yourselfs with the courts now
>>3033587>it could really backfire and we appear as a stupid fool everytime we go in a court. Doesn t sound so good, maybe with some kids or some very naive nobles.I suppose but if that were the case then fireworks aren't going to do much either. I'll admit they'll be a nice source of money if we can get someone to use them at a major festival or celebration to get the word out.>it would be better to interest ourself in the fine arts (or in other matters of the nobility) : learn to use a musical instrument, poetry, sculpting or painting.Yeah but that takes a lot more time to get good at. Admittedly with sculpting, painting and other such things we luckily have relevant skills like stone-working for sculpting, architectural drawing / design for art and so on however we are more so educated in a purely practical rather than artistic manner.>or we can just invite artists in our court and make it more modern, becoming a patron of the arts.That'd cost a lot of money but it would work as a way to become slightly more famous / influential.>anyway it sound too risky to involve yourselfs with the courts nowHey, reward is only found where risk is. Imagine if we could get a stipend from lord stark, the Manderly's or the king to appear at parties when asked and perform some tricks to entertain guests: we get invited to parties, get payed to show up and get to show off.
>>3033592True. Anyway it could backfire. It can be even a success. They could become hobbys to practice in our free time , if we have any.
>>3033585>>3033586Yes and Yes.>>3033592>>3033587Why the fuck would we approach this through parlor tricks at kids birthday parties? If we need something, we can make a concrete offer (as we are doing now). Attending every lordlings feast in an effort to get pocket change is dumb as hell and beyond a bad time investment. Focus on steam engines and build an airplane. I guarantee you this one move will impress far more and far further than any shitty sleight of hand.
>>3033618i prefer the steam power and the airplane.plus cannons and mortars, and i dig a lot the icebreaker and the trawler fleet + cannery.i did say this could work with probably just them (kids/naive nobles) if we do magic tricks on a court. Not that we are going to do it. Thinking about it not even what i have say (learn music ecc...), it s really not that useful for have more contracts for selling weapons. Perhaps impress ladys but it ends there, we need to concentrate on research, selling/producing more weapons, expanding our industry and have a better administration of our lands (more taxes, pop growth, production ecc...).and getting more customers (; to add to that maybe try to have as friends Ned and Stannis.And in general more knowledge + a girl (decent,fertile, near lands, wealth and a good alliance.).
>NProbably better keep knowledge of rifling, minie balls and all that a secret for the time being. Better not show all the cards you have in your hand."Cheers Rod"The Stout Northman lifts his eyebrow"Rod?""We've gone shooting together now. That means we're friends for life. I don't make the rules, but that's how the world works I'm afraid."As you pat the stiff and large man in the back in an overly familiar manner, you hear a voice behind you."Are you fun with our guest Ser Roderik?"It seems Lord Stark had started spectating without you noticing."My Lord."Ser Rodrik replies awkwardly as you both bow to him."I did not expect you to arrive personally Lord Tallon. Last time you left in quite a hurry.""Yes, I felt that leaving the smallfolk without a council to see to their needs whilst I feasted with the high society would leave a bad taste in their mouths.""I take your presence as a sign that the problem is dealt with.""It is, but sadly the level of competence from the candidates who came forth was not up to my standards, so I instead just filled every position with Maesters."He looks taken aback by that"I'm surprised the Citadel agreed to that. It must have cost you a fortune.""No, it was a different sort of arrangement. I made a new type of metal and had a friend in the conclave show them exactly how much they needed that metal over the span of some years.""A New type of metal?""The Matter itself is rather confidential, so if it's all the same to you, I'll give you the details on that matter private.""I shall respect your discetion on this matter. However, I'd appreciate if you return refrained from making such a racket in my courtyard whilst I am working.""Ah. Damn. Sorry, I didn't think about that. I was a bit too eager to teach your Master-at-Arms how these guns worked.""There will be time for that later. I take it these are the men I asked for?""Yes my Lord, they're still freshly raised and they've much training to do until they're at the level I want them at, but my Outriders are the first unit of Black Powder Cavalry in Westeros. We did also bring a variety of other types of weapons for you to try out, should it please you and of course, I will gladly answer any questions you have on the subject."He nods"Very good. My servants will see to it that they're well fed and rested before they're taken to the hunt.""The Hunt?""With the Summer, bears have become more active again in the Wolfswood. It's tradition here in the North to cull the predators at least once a year."
"Ah, from a practical standpoint I do see now why you asked for my men. Killing bears is likely quite an ordeal without guns.""Have you bears in Reach as well Lord Tallon?""Hmm... I'm not sure if they're domestic. There's not much wilderness for them to live in as most all land and forests in there is cultivated. I reckon there's some in the more Northern parts, but they might just be stragglers from Westerlands and Kingswood.""Would you like to join the hunt personally as well?">Go hunting for Bears later with your men?>No "I'd rather not steal my men their opportunity to prove themselves.">Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."
>>3033701If Ned is going,. I vote we go with.
>>3033701Write-in is also an option
>>3033701>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."
>>3033701>>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."
>>3033701>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood.">Gotta keep the bears out of the smithies before they get full plate.
>>3033701Gotta keep the bears out of the smithies before they get full plate.
>>3033613>They could become hobbys to practice in our free time , if we have any.Oh we will almost certainly have free time. Fact is our estate is self-running between the local mayor and our council which means all we can do is study, train and design. We will run out of things to do sometime in the next few years given every research we do is a reduction in the stuff we need to figure out elsewhere given we can make our factories / machines share parts.>>3033618>Why the fuck would we approach this through parlor tricks at kids birthday parties? Attending every lordlings feast in an effort to get pocket change is dumb as hell and beyond a bad time investment. I never said every lordling. In fact I specified individual lords who are all above us in the chain of command and significantly richer / more powerful than us meaning they could compensate us well for our service and you are really underestimating the amount of money we are talking about here given we'd be quite possibly the only performer with any of our tricks which means we could charge quite a high rate. I specified parlor / simple magic tricks because they'll be quick to develop yet still flashy enough to be impressive.>I guarantee you this one move will impress far more and far further than any shitty sleight of hand.True but we need to achieve it first and that is the hard part.>>3033701>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."
>>3033802>Oh we will almost certainly have free time.Literal lolno. Consider the fact we have to invent the tools to make the machines to make the tools to make serious engines, build said engines en masse and train enough peons to run everything in 10 measily years. Not to mention design everything we want to use the steam engines ourselves. ALL in under 9 years. We will literally have no free time and wasting it on petty magic tricks is stupid as hell.>flashy enough to be impressiveMaybe to the lords niece. And then what? The Lord will just give us massive money just because we showed him some lights? Come on man.>True but we need to achieve it first and that is the hard part.Hence why we need to focus on steam engines man, not trying to be a shitty copperfield.
>>3033831> Consider the fact we have to invent the tools to make the machines to make the tools to make serious engines, build said engines en masse and train enough peons to run everything in 10 measly years. Not to mention design everything we want to use the steam engines ourselves. ALL in under 9 years. We will literally have no free time and wasting it on petty magic tricks is stupid as hell.I'd point out that many industrial processes share similar if not exactly the same machines. Meaning that with the development of a few choice items we can automate many different processes.I'd also point out that our primary limiter is going to be, as you say, producing machines. Chances are our drawings and prototypes will exceed our capacity to produce greatly. Meaning that we will have freetime because spending yet more time designing yet more machines when we can't even consider constructing them until the last two sets of developments assuming we would even have the funding left to employ more craftsmen to make machines are done is somewhat a waste of time compared to developing our skills in, for example, swordsmanship or in more learned studies which might improve our ability to design.I'd expect us to spend perhaps the first two, maybe three, years designing and prototyping. That should result in a large enough base of industrial knowledge that excluding particularly tricky industries (e,g glassmaking) most things can be reliably automated from existing designs. Then I'd expect us to primarily focus on optimising our designs and even then there is only so much that can be done with our limited resources and with the skill of our craftsmen.>Maybe to the lords niece. The Lord will just give us massive money just because we showed him some lights? Come on man.I think you are underestimating the simplicity of entertainment in this era and the novelty of what we could develop. Take the fairly standard "appearing rose" trick. We just pretend it's alchemy and suddenly it's a god damn miracle, even without that they'd still be amazed.>Hence why we need to focus on steam engines man, not trying to be a shitty copperfield.Eh, I suppose but to be honest I somewhat expect us to fail in achieving much this life given how much we need to achieve with so little in such a short period of time. I'm more bothered on picking up every skill and reading every book we can, even shitty magic tricks.
>>3033860>I think you are underestimating the simplicity of entertainment in this era and the novelty of what we could develop. Take the fairly standard "appearing rose" trick. We just pretend it's alchemy and suddenly it's a god damn miracle, even without that they'd still be amazed.Street performers do exist in the cities.You actually had a dude who climbed a ladder made of flames and then vanished with poof of smoke in the books.Concept of sleight of hand and illusions isn't as unknown as you think it is save with the uneducated masses.
>>3033885>You actually had a dude who climbed a ladder made of flames and then vanished with poof of smoke in the books.That specific incident happened post-dragons and is generally used to show that magic is returning. As a character highlights that mere months prior the man who did it could barely get a flame out of dragon glass. I discovered it when I researched the magic of this world specifically for this quest given it could prove important.>Concept of sleight of hand and illusions isn't as unknown as you think it is save with the uneducated masses.I suppose but we have our reputation as a mysterious man to help and our knowledge of how to spice things up with a liberal application of flash powder, modern showmanship and even a bit of "genuine" alchemy.Still, it was just an idea. Something I threw out there because honestly I hate a quest sitting silent between OP's posts.
Fuck yes, caught up. Good quest.
>>3033921Welcome anon, any suggestions for the group?
>>3033915I would rather we use that time to study even more alchemy, pr get up our factorio going.https://youtube.com/watch?v=DR01YdFtWFI
>>3033929Well I always wondered why we never got around to checking out the church of starry wisdom. Maybe we could have looked into it back when we were running around as a merchant escort or even before, at the citadel. Although with magic not back yet it probably wouldn't lead to much.Also, we really shouldn't rush into marriage. If things go well we'll be able to marry into a much higher tier. It's a big move, we shouldn't just blow o̶u̶r̶ ̶l̶̶̶o̶̶̶a̶̶̶d a political move like that so soon.
>>3033915>>3033921Parlor tricks bad, engineering good.
>>3033930Absolutely right.>>3033935Same to you. Getting married 'just because' is one of the worst moves we could make. So much to gain, especially down the line if we play it smart.
>>3033930>>3033936Alright, alright I get it. It just struck me as a cool idea.Also on the front of "ideas that I throw out because boredom", should we trade stuff with the Citadel? Not stuff like the steam engine or gunpowder. Such things are too valuable. I mean more so generic treatises on industrialisation, economies of scale and that sort of thing? Maybe even some technical documentation of the less inventive machines we make? Alternatively, we should really get round to developing our understanding of alchemy and writing books on that to trade back to the Conclave in return for aid. Possibly we should look into biology / physiology, developing an understanding of medicine, surgery and so on.>>3033935>Well I always wondered why we never got around to checking out the church of starry wisdom. Maybe we could have looked into it back when we were running around as a merchant escort or even before, at the citadel. Although with magic not back yet it probably wouldn't lead to much.Pretty much. I'd always believed we'd deal with magic once we'd gotten more conventional skills down to pat given magic is too unreliable and expensive to focus on early on.>Also, we really shouldn't rush into marriage. If things go well we'll be able to marry into a much higher tier. It's a big move, we shouldn't just blow o̶u̶r̶ ̶l̶̶̶o̶̶̶a̶̶̶d a political move like that so soon.True but marrying, for example, a lady with few if any remaining living relatives and no heirs could grant us additional lands. Assuming Westerosian law enables us to claim their lands via marriage. Although I'll admit that the likelihood of any such person existing and us getting them is low. Better to wait until we get a nice lass, given our meteoric rise in past we might even get a proper lady.
>>3033947>should we trade stuff with the CitadelIf we make something they want and we can stand to trade away, sure. However I seeit being more the case of us setting bounties for goals that Maesters (and the occasional lucky dude/educated farmer) achieve. Say, making a rubber-like substance for 400 Gold. You do it and prove it, you get payed. Learning medicine and surgery is nice, however not really in our plan right now. >magic is too unreliable and expensive to focus onRight you are. After talking with QM extensively on the subject of magic wanted to make pic related it seems magic is finnicky as fuck and pretty much useless once we have steam industry going. Not like a dragon can outsmart a 100mm AA shell. Or a wizard for that matter.>Better to wait until we get a nice lassYes. There is actually an unmarried ho with land in our area (near WH) but she wont marry unless we actually prove we are worth more than a moist castle atop a swamp.
>>3033947>Also on the front of "ideas that I throw out because boredom", should we trade stuff with the Citadel ?In exchange of founds, more experts and knowledge ? -----We need to find a spymaster and some people that can help us in our researchs. If in Westeros, inventors exist we need to have them (and they are probably outcasts with mere founds, so giving them a job would be easy).The waters near us are deep ? because maybe we can expand with stilts our future citys if the waters are low enough.
>>3033967Offer bounties for people solving problems. Say "I want a substance that is stretchy and watertight. A viable approach is a tree sap in the tropics that you heat." and we offer 400 gold for it. Other projects too. This way we dont need to pay for their upkeep/build holdings for them but we still get results.Why would we ever stilt our city? We are nowhere near desperate enough for space.
>>3033963>If we make something they want and we can stand to trade away, sure.Well I am certain we'll find something and if nothing else we can always throw a bunch of blueprints into a note book and sell them it for a fair amount.>However I see it being more the case of us setting bounties for goals that Maesters (and the occasional lucky dude/educated farmer) achieve. Say, making a rubber-like substance for 400 Gold. You do it and prove it, you get payed. Could work but I'd say that the chances of others taking us up on it are too low.>Learning medicine and surgery is nice, however not really in our plan right now. Eh, fair enough. It's just an area we can easily write a large amount about by cutting up animals and studying them. >Right you are. it seems magic is finicky as fuckIt's more so that magic has such a high barrier for entry, has such high costs to use, is so niche in it's use and so situational that 99% of the time it doesn't even work and 99% of the time it wouldn't be worth using. It's that .0(...)01% of the time though that suddenly knowing magic makes you a god or gets you out a deadly situation.>After talking with QM extensively on the subject of magic wanted to make pic relatedYou have excellent taste. To be fair we could probably use magic and make something like that, the real question is why would we when the cost is probably equivalent to an army. Hell it probably is an army given how much magic revolves around blood or life-force sacrifice.>pretty much useless once we have steam industry going. Eh, it does have some interesting potential. The shadow assassins are unreplicable with technology but they cost so much life force to produce they can't be considered effective. Unless you have a supply of slaves to use. There's also those lads that can bring the dead back to life but yeah, generally 99% of the time magic ain't worth it.>Not like a dragon can outsmart a 100mm AA shell. Or a wizard for that matter.Well there are those lads that can see into the future but it's never been shown to be dune-spice levels of future prediction so that shouldn't be an issue.>Yes. There is actually an unmarried ho with land in our area (near WH) but she wont marry unless we actually prove we are worth more than a moist castle atop a swamp.Yep. Best ways are growing our army, getting rich and getting some new tech to sell to Manderly so we can have those lands he offered.
>>3033967>In exchange of founds, more experts and knowledge ? That would be the goal yes.>We need to find a spymaster and some people that can help us in our research.We'd be better off getting a spymaster from elsewhere. Given the Maesters would betray us to the Conclave. Better relying on our Maester-friend who hates the Conclave for now in that sort of role.Speaking of which, I considered we should send him south to the Citadel to see if he can't find any other Maesters from "the little list" whom we might draw north to forge a new centre for learning and discovery.>If in Westeros, inventors exist we need to have them (and they are probably outcasts with mere founds, so giving them a job would be easy).Possibly: depending on their industries they might be considered evil / witches but a fair few of the ones who'd be useful to us are probably also the best in their industries because they are willing to try and improve their craft. Might be hard to draw them to our side but offering good pay for good work will do well.>The waters near us are deep ? because maybe we can expand with stilts our future citys if the waters are low enough.Eh, I doubt that will be needed.
>>3034007>Could work but I'd say that the chances of others taking us up on it are too low.Keep in mind 400 Gold is a lot of cash for the vast majority of people. Hell, you could get multiple suits of armor for that money. Not too shabby.> knowing magic makes you a god or gets you out a deadly situationSee, the problem is that even of you get out of such a situation, there will always be a price to pay. No get out of jail free. We might not die but go mad, for example.>we could probably use magic and make something like thatThe cost is exorbitant, especially when you consider time spent, sacrifices, social stigma etc. 10/10 its not worth it to do magic.>see into the futureNow that IS neat, but considering our knowledge of the books already its ultimately inconsequential. Especially considering how hazy it is. Wouldnt mind some Spice though.
>>3034018Let's get a enuch spy master from pentos. Sound fun
>>3034028>Keep in mind 400 Gold is a lot of cash for the vast majority of people. Hell, you could get multiple suits of armor for that money. Not too shabby.True but it's a matter of people having to make a choice: risking a signficant amount of time and money in an attempt to get this reward compared to doing their regular work.It's got to be enough money to make any craftsmen take a look if we want the good lads getting interested.>See, the problem is that even of you get out of such a situation, there will always be a price to pay. No get out of jail free. We might not die but go mad, for example.Oh true but it's a very useful thing. Especially if you know how to make other people take the consequential fall for you.>The cost is exorbitant, especially when you consider time spent, sacrifices, social stigma etc. 10/10 its not worth it to do magic.Basically. It's the problem of people remembering what happened this last time a bunch of mages started using really powerful magic and trying to rule over people and shit and the fact that it costs too much to really be worth it.>Now that IS neat, but considering our knowledge of the books already its ultimately inconsequential. Especially considering how hazy it is. True. I mean it is useful in a broad sense but the problem would be making it balanced. In a story it's all writers agency which makes prophecy powers predictably powerful. With us involved it becomes completely broken or completely useless.>Wouldn't mind some Spice though.Considering the focus of some of the later books was breaking humanities dependency on spice, I could take it or leave it.
Oh shit I just remembered another thing mages can do in this world: glamours are a thing. Fucking shapeshifting bastard assassins are a problem we need to be careful of.
>>3034036Oh yeah we are dead. Lets hope the faceless one isn't one of the bastards that will take our soul
Also because this was in my suggestions and it seems appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCJ-Ps8LAmo
>>3033947>Assuming Westerosian law enables us to claim their lands via marriage. It doesn't. Her titles either default back to the liege if she doesn't produce a male heir.Your potential son could have those lands, but that doesn't exactly matter now does it, since any concept of dynastic heritage sorta went out of the window when you realized you can just roll a new character if you die.
>>3034187Dang it. That is quite annoying.
>>3034194Well if we hold on to that pesky virginity till 100, wizardry is unlocked. From there we might have a better understanding of, and possibly better control over, how and what we reincarnate into. If we can just hold out for this lifespan and research the knowledge once magic is accessible to us, we might be able to reincarnate as the heir to the house we're building up every time. Of course unlike guns and engines, this is magic and a lot of this stuff is up in the air until we unlock it, which we might not if anons get too into wanting to get a bride too early.
>>3034235Yeah, the CK-2 Immortal providence we have is quite potent if we gain the ability to not jump about like an empire on tanistry.
>>3034282>jump about like an empire on tanistryI'm going to be stealing that one
>Y"I shall accept your offer. Might be a good chance to socialize with my fellow subjects when we run out of bears to kill."He smirks and chuckles"I doubt that will be a problem for us this year Lord Tallon. Maester Luwin estimates there's easily over a hundred thousand bears in those woods.""Ah. So am I to take that as a permit to put down as many as I can see?""By all means please do."Sweet"Have you and your men eaten yet?"He asks"Not besides the customary bread and salt. In fact we just about arrived on the hour.""I hope you're not too weary to join us for supper?""I'm fresh like a spring breeze my Lord, though lads who were in charge of night shift are taking a bit of a power nap.""Then let us go and eat. We'll discuss matters at my table."The Food wasn't as lavish as last time in the feast and with much less variety, however Lord Stark was still the Warden of the North. Though there were no ostentatious displays of wealth, the food was plentiful. The Meats were richly spiced and tender, the vegetables flame cooked just right to give that burnt aroma when you took it into your mouth without any of their juiciness. The Ale you drank was stout and dark. You were offered wine as well, but you refused, instead preferring to try something other than the stuff you've had to drink for this lifetime."I must profess Lord Stark, Lady Catelyn, this isn't purely a social call. I had planned the trip here in fact with a clear objective in mind.""And what is it then that you are hoping to achieve with this visit Lord Stark?""There's the matter of funding. Starting up an arms industry is not cheap my Lord and I was hoping to seek out a loan so that I may fulfill the needs of the Crown.""Have you received a royal commission for your weaponry already Lord Tallon?""In a manner of speaking, yes."You pull out the letter from Prince Stannis from your pocket."My designs have proved themselves effective in naval warfare during the Greyjoy Rebellion and our Prince has offered to purchase my ship for a sizeable payment in gold, provided I actually can supply the vessel with Black Powder at the pleasure of the Crown."He nods slightly as he looks sternly into your eyes."I see. You should know there's a great many houses in the North who'd find me providing such a loan disagreeable when they themselves aren't nearly as wealthy as you, but..."He tilts his neck uncomfortably"I must indeed take the needs of the Crown into consideration.">Time for a sales pitch!>Roll for 5d6 Stewardship and discard the lowest dice to help convince your liege that this is indeed for the good of the North.>Write-ins can help lower the DC depending on what's your pitch.
Rolled 5, 5, 5, 2, 3 = 20 (5d6)>>3036009
Rolled 1, 1, 3, 4, 5 = 14 (5d6)>>3036009much like the myresh crossbow lord stark my weaponry will draw the ire of traders across the world, and most traders usually come into port with goods of their own this will mean the north will have a greater access to goods and necessity's that will help fill demands that cannot be met at present weather that be access to medicine, new advances in technology or simply common and luxury goods and on top of this goods in the north for example the bear furs we are going to get tomorrow will have a greater market to be sold in the sooner operations start the sooner the north can reap the rewards of foreign trade
Rolled 6, 2, 6, 6, 2 = 22 (5d6)>>3036022>>3036009In addition to this the increased wealth from taxes and tariffs on this trade will allow all of in the north is enjoy greater wealth and more loans could be provided to other houses quicker with this money.
>>3036022>much like the myresh crossbow lord stark my weaponry will draw the ire of traders across the world I don't think Myrish Crossbows piss off traders, nor are they a massive business globally.Also there hasn't been any notable advances in technology for the last thousand years or so.Northmen don't care much about luxury goods.Trade of medicine already happens.You aren't tapping into any new markets, so the claim that you are is a lie.You also aren't providing any increased wealth from tariffs because you don't have a merchant port nor a distribution deal with Manderlys.I can't give anything for that.
>>3036045righto weapon that can make the the mountain back down ? not really much i can think of now that my trade argument got all the hot air taken out of it.
>>3036045Alright give us a bit to try again :p
>>3036009>Write-ins can help lower the DC depending on what's your pitch.Well I'll try my hand at it:"Muskets, my lord, are a wonderful weapon that can cut through shield and armour without issue and unlike with many other weapons require relatively little physical strength beyond the ability to point the weapon in the right direction. Meaning even the elderly and injured can quite effectively wield them if the situation calls for it which it sadly often does. Your master-at-arms can attest, not only to their effectiveness, but to how quickly he managed to use one compared to learning to use a bow or crossbow safely meaning new troops can easily be raised to use them. There is also the consideration that unlike with those two weapons, a musket can far more easily be made ready for melee: one merely attaches a bayonet, a small dagger-like blade, to a mount at the end of the musket. Making it into a short spear which renders the units wielding these capable of resisting a cavalry or infantry charge fairly effectively.They are also effective if expensive hunting weapons given their massive penetration means that, against large animals like bears, they will pierce deep and bleed the animal severely if used correctly. Plus the loud noise and flash of smoke discourages the animal from attempting to charge.Then there are the pistols: shorter and lighter yet less accurate, they are a perfect weapon for boarders, cavalrymen and for anyone who wishes to have an effective counter to a charging knight. As the shot from one shall carve it's way though armour just as readily as a musket although at a shorter range. They also have the advantage that, if one cares to, a brace of them can be worn on the chest and at the hips and drawn in rapid succession allowing a man to fire off multiple shots without reloading.I would offer a demonstration of my most potent designs, those being the cannons that I have mounted on the ship, but they are a siege or anti-ship weapon and the cost of firing them represents that. However the cost is well worth it as they fire solid orbs at high speed that will careen through or shatter wood and stone be it the walls of a city or the hull of a boat. Can't remember if we have these so I'm putting it here in spoilers: I've also got an alternate projectile, essentially a large number of musket-shot that are all fired at once: like a few volleys of musket they fly from the cannon and cut their way through whatever they hit making them an excellent counter to tight formations.Lastly, of the developments in this field of weapons I have made: these fireworks as I call them are a form of light-emitting explosive that has many uses as their bright light and sound makes them an excellent way to call the attention of an army or, in a more peaceful use, as a nice party trick display colourful flashes in the nights sky."Good? Want something different?
>>3036067I don't think painting ourselves a merchant of death or offering party tricks is going to convince Ned to go extra mile.
>>3036067I like this, just show how effective the are.
>>3036098Well what else do we have other then merchant of death?
>>3036101Quite a lot actually, however, you know that Ned is very much "muh honor" sort of guy.Making the implication that with your weapons, he can field sick and elderly in battle is going to offend him, so I obviously would veto that because the MC would know that.Of course if you want to offend Ned, we can go that route as well.
>>3036098I was more so going for a whole "the great equaliser of men" and a "even the weakest can defend themselves with these" approach. Trying to appeal to his good I was also going to point out how these weapons often cause armies to break at their first firing but I ran into a lack of space. The 3000 character limit preventing me.Still though, lets see if OP offers us a bonus. I mean to be honest I'm struggling to think of another angle to take about it besides offering to do anything within our power to make it up to him or offering our services as a Maester / blacksmith but that clashes with us needing free time in our own lands to study and shit.
>>3036114Keep in mind that if you actually sell it as an "equalizer" in a hierarchical society, men like Ned who stand in the top are going to be more likely to actually regulate them, because without enforceable hierarchy their whole society collapses.
>>3036111>>3036114I mean I feel as though the great equalizer of men though would also offend him as it can allow peasants to easily kill a noble and that hoes against honor. Involving those traditionally not meant for war is also a bad thing. Generally I dont see how he wouldn't dislike the weapons. It's a device that overturns the social order.We need to appear to his honor but what honor is their ina musket.
>>3036121Clearly you have an idea of how we can appeal. Help us out qm :p
>>3036111So why not try to sell him on hunting woodland beasts. Being it is a lords duty to protect the smallfolk from these savage monsters. Plus they would scare the shit out of wildlings.
>>3036127That's one thing worth giving a bonus for. Hunting is a big industry in the North. Killing Wildlings, less so.+ Wildlings are probably less prone to being scared simply because they live in such a shithole where aggression often = survival.
>>3036111>Quite a lot actually, however, you know that Ned is very much "muh honor" sort of guy.I'll be honest mate, I can't think of a single logical appeal or honourable claim I can raise to the guy beyond what I have that actually relates to firearms. I can't and I usually and fairly good for write-ins.What honour can I say rests in firearms? That they are a fair weapon? There exists no such thing and any claim to the contrary is a lie. All I have to go on for what I can reasonably say to him is that these weapons work, that they work for almost any person with a single eye to see and a single arm to aim. That any man, woman or child can take one of these and defend their home from invaders, bandits and whatever else the world sends against them. The best I can offer is that cannons can end sieges and therefore spare many people months of suffering and even then he might decide that they are too dangerous because of that.>Making the implication that with your weapons, he can field sick and elderly in battle is going to offend him, so I obviously would veto that because the MC would know that.Mate, the way I was phrasing it wasn't he can field the sick and elderly in battle but rather that with these the sick and elderly can defend themselves from attack during sieges and can contribute rather than being helpless and left to the whim of an enemy force.>>3036122Refer to the above.
>>3036134Also guns dont give a great advantage against wildlings, they already barely use armor. Muskets its much better then a lot of bowman. We would need faster shots before its worth it there.
>>3036134There's also the fact that Wildlings simply don't warrant guns most of the time because they don't have metal armor nor build infrastructure, which makes traditional ranged weapons just as, if not more effective against them.
>>3036134Oh, we could use our fireworks to act as signal flares for their attacks though. Letting people ready for them.
>>3036141Yep, signaling tools is a perfectly valid and good benefit for both martial and civilian classes of society in the North.That's definitely a point in favor.
Shoulda fuckin hung out with stannis. He appreciated guns.
>>3036154We really should send him a ultra-light cannon (read: giant ass gun) with filigree and shit and ask if he could throw us some money pls.
>>3036156Nah lets not even ask for looney as we are already planning on going over there and asking for a loan. Let's just give it to him from good will.
>>3036161You don't have any extras. All your cannons are already sold to Stannis.
>>3036168Nah this would be handheld or some shit. Future project not right now.
Also has anyone thought about building a Semaphore line? We wouldn't need to invent anything, downside is that birds already do that.
Well, Canon can bring down castle wall quite easily, that’s got to be worth something no?
>>3036172It would be faster the birds and be a good alert system if we are ever under attack
>>3036179Yeah but that upsets the social order and shit. So apparently that would prove unpopular.
I really doubt this "social order" argument is that important desu. People in real life didn't go "nah best not buy any of those gun things, what if the peasants manage to get their hands on them?", they went "oh shit these gun things can take down my castle walls pretty easily, I bet my enemies would love to get some of those. Best build some better walls and also buy up a whole bunch of cannons so I'm not the only guy without them."Of course, that process was much slower in real life because very early guns were pretty shit, but we're starting with pretty decent guns.
>>3036179Depends on the cannon. Your current ones are only effective against wooden ones and would not do much against stone.
>>3036194I know. Luckily we have this set of good rolls >>3036025. So if nothing else we should get some money. Okys we have two bonus points raised so far: it's an effective hunting weapon against bears and shit and the signal fireworks are useful in the expansive north.>>3036195Eh, you're not entirely wrong but a light canon such as ours can still do lots of damage to a stone wall far more easily than a similarly powerful catapult or other such siege weapon because it's firing arc is far more useful: it can be made to hit the base of the wall (e,g the point with the most weight (and thus greatest weakness) pressing down on it) reliably and hard compared to placing a catapult at just the right range to strike the wall's base by which point it is at the end of it's ballistic arc and has likely lost much of it's energy.Plus, even against thick stone walls it can be aimed at the battlements and used to hit defenders / remove the thinner stone cover they fire from behind. Even if the actual wall doesn't fall, it suddenly is a far less effective defence.Not to mention, tunnelling under a wall and detonating an explosive charge is as effective and easy as ever. That or you send forward some people under a battering ram style structure to place a charge and do it that way.
So. ..... it s far better if we don t say the use on war with this ? I mean what we can do ? This are the weapons we make and the idea is to get a contract for give them to is armys. And when is armys are trained and have decent commanders to guide them they will destroy the classical southeners ones. No duels, nothing. Just pile of corpses and a lot of death knights. I vote for no write-in frankly with all this implications on honor i don t see a way for get out of this, that don t go wrong and put a possible contract on the bin .If telling the advantages and the truth ecc. .. risk the selling better say the usual stuff. Maybe adding some bullshit here and there .If this fails let s just hunt some bears and go home.
>>3036222I kinda have to agree. It's a bit like creating the machine-gun and then having to sell it to a guy that commands cavalry without telling him that it makes him and everything even tangentially like him essentially useless.Fuck it man, I don't know. I'd suppose we could make an appeal that by having this in the north, he ensures the crown will pay closer attention to the needs of the north so it's supply of powder is never at threat?
>>3036222*dead knights. >>3036226Maybe ? I even doubt of that.Maybe we can use some irony and mock him in not a malicious way ?Or maybe refering to the different Westeros familys with their symbol and try to say that the old wolf, while strong and resiliant, will not stand many hits if the others animals such as the Lion, the Squid and maybe a Fish attack him and they will not give him time to lick is wounds eating is body and all the puppys. But the old wolf with the help of an eagle with two heads can become young again having sharper teeth and invincible claws. With that he will retake is place a a royal when he was young, ensuring peace, security and prosperity for is puppys.
>>3036222> And when is armys are trained and have decent commanders to guide them they will destroy the classical southeners ones. No duels, nothing. Just pile of corpses and a lot of death knights. Because that is, even to me, a god damn haunting image:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTBgFmK_bs
>>3036253>Maybe we can use some irony and mock him in not a malicious way ?Risky. >But the old wolf with the help of an eagle with two heads can become young again having sharper teeth and invincible claws. Also quite risky, could come across as a threat and he might not believe anyone is going to try another war given that we just came out of two separate wars.
>>3036258Then is risk or safer like i said : usual stuff & some bullshit. >Also quite risky, could come across as a threat and he might not believe anyone is going to try another war given that we just came out of two separate wars.We could put the point of "The eagle really really really want to help the old wolf in making him young again, but also in many other things" in the middle of this story, if it sounds really like a threath. Anyway it s just a small bonus on the roll, so let s just decide if we want it or not. I vote no. Reasons :-not many decent points on the argument for selling. -the points we have are laughable and will not make the contract profitable for us (plus Ned will start asking questions and that is more than bad)-too much honor If Ned wants to start an argument (if the roll is bad) let s just cut it there, thanks for the hospitality and the meal and bye bye.
>>3036288And i guess just another more reason, that is irrilevant for the quest it self. -what we write seems not impressive for a high lord of westeros .Or at least mine .
>>3036288>We could put the point of "The eagle really really really want to help the old wolf in making him young again, but also in many other things" in the middle of this story, if it sounds really like a threath. Eh, I don't know.>I vote no. Hey man we apparently got some beneficial points, we can just mention them and use those for bonuses even if we don't particularly plan on focusing on them.>If Ned wants to start an argument (if the roll is bad) let s just cut it there, thanks for the hospitality and the meal and bye bye.Eh, I have to agree. I mean the only alternative I can think of is having an extended argument on a philosophical, moral and strategic level but that'd be time consuming and might just get him even angrier.>>3036295>-what we write seems not impressive for a high lord of westeros .What do you mean? I kinda curious.
>>3036172We're inventing The Clacks? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_of_the_Discworld#The_clacks
>>3036301I was thinking more of a real world example.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_lineBut yeah, they would let us spread word faster than anyone and cut a hefty trade profit as well.Aside does anyone else think we should seek Ramsay Snow out and take him in our service. Then kill him.Or just kill him outright.
>>3036299Neither i, because i don t know what to say to him. It s just that Ned seems not the kind of customer we could sell weapons even with a bad roll. And even with a good roll, he will not betray is principles, after the contract is start he could just destroy it if he thinks about it more than a second. I give a third option : "oh no ! My lord, i m really sorry but i need to go away blah blah blah". So we can avoid this social trap, it will make him confuse but that s it. We are just a minor lord, so he will probably not even stop us (if we were a friend or a major lord yes).Sincerely our beneficial points are not a lot and they don t help a lot (i mean what great interest can we create with those things ? He will probably point out that this is probably not the real merch we want to sell). The others points we have will just create damage. We agree on something at least. What i have write will be seen by a lord as an insult on childish levels or trying to create problems. Still no for me.
>>3036333I'd point out we already settled on convincing him and we've already rolled:>>3036015; >>3036022; >>3036025.We got a 22 out of 30 which is 77.33% of the maximum possible.
>>3036345It means we tried yay. This was a hard sell. Why did we come here again.
>>3036349We came because we were ordered to raise a unit of black-powder soldiers to demonstrate them.
>>3036345Ah, thanks. then what i have write is irrilevant, same for the discussion i was making, since the vote is already done.
So...are we done for today?
>>3036067I've yet to hear a convincing argument against this sails pitch.Just tell him about how wizard black-powder weapons are & make puppy eyes & the thumb-and-forefinger rubbing 'money' motion at him.
>>3036446Apparently the arguments against it are thus:1) He will take the "Meaning even the elderly and injured can quite effectively wield them if the situation calls for it which it sadly often does." line as implying he should or would field the sick and elderly rather than an indictment of it's ease of use and the ability to use basically any person as a solider. 2) He's a very honourabu man and guns aren't.3) It upsets the social order by making it so a knight can easily be killed by any common soldier.4) We possibly come across as a merchant of death. Which can be taken as a positive or a negative.
>>3036438It's an update per day generally speaking
>>3036452I think we should focus mainly on the first one and reference the wilding issue. How they can defend themselves when outmatched. Let's just not bring up the part where wildlings will get guns.
>>3036478I know but I've always liked when an OP says they are done for the night that way I can trust I'm not going to miss a vote.>>3036482>I think we should focus mainly on the first one and reference the wilding issue. How they can defend themselves when outmatched. That was largely my point with it. That and the idea of walking-wounded being able to, rather than rely on others winning or losing a battle, take part.>Let's just not bring up the part where wildlings will get guns.To be fair, they'd struggle to make use of them. Guns might not require particularly complex maintence or ammo but the actual powder production will prevent them being easily used without capturing a large supply and even then they'd run out.
We should exchange 28 Influence to law when we can to drop the malus to our house fortune rolls.
>>3036499Also it could be worth while to invent stock trading. Let us get even more dosh for investing. Plus make investments elsewhere once our pockets overflow.
>>3036504I dont really think we have the correct economic society for that.
>>3036452alright, leave out the bit about making the spastics fight, then. If he's anti-gun principle then he won't give us the loan regardless of what we say short of outright lying to his face.
Why not just try to convince him on Black Powder over Guns? Not like Starks have any enemies or threats that warrant Guns at the time.Explosives have tons of civilian uses North has need for and any bit of extra labor reallocated is a win due to their low population.Quick Google search shows that explosives could be used for Construction, Quarries, Mines, Roads, Clearing stumps, Signaling, Breaking boulders apart, Hunting, Tunnelling and that sort of thing.As to guns, they make Trade ships fair bit safer as well.
>>3036536That's a good idea we should push for the economic benefits of black power. I vote for this.
We could mention that powder would make mining and stuff easier, first thing that comes to mind that's not "this shit's really good at killing people yo". We're trying to get him to invest in black powder production, not just guns, and apparently neddy 'honour to the point of stupidity' stark thinks combat effectiveness is bad.
>>3036536beat me to it
>>3036525>alright, leave out the bit about making the spastics fight, then. If he's anti-gun principle then he won't give us the loan regardless of what we say short of outright lying to his face.Yeah, I suppose.>>3036536>Why not just try to convince him on Black Powder over Guns? I suppose.>Not like Starks have any enemies or threats that warrant Guns at the time.Except for bears and any armoured bears that might occur.>Quick Google search shows that explosives could be used for Construction, Quarries, Mines, Roads, Clearing stumps, Signaling, Breaking boulders apart, Hunting, Tunnelling and that sort of thing.True but the problem is how much you need to provide the blasting power. More realistically, it can be used for everything except probably mining operations. However stumps and boulders should be entirely within reason.>As to guns, they make Trade ships fair bit safer as well.True.
>>3036567>True but the problem is how much you need to provide the blasting power. More realistically, it can be used for everything except probably mining operations. However stumps and boulders should be entirely within reason.You say that as if a growing market demand for black powder is a bad thing for your business. Sure, there's a point beyond which use the of black powder for mining is no longer profitable if you keep hiking up the prices.However if you can keep the price of the powder below that point, then you've got a pretty large room to expand your business now don't you? Even if you don't at the moment have the infrastructure to provide black powder for every house in the North that would need it, the fact that the business is lucrative and it has room to grow speaks volumes of the future prospects of your lands.
>>3037922Yeah fair enough and I suppose given the north is rich in iron, coal and other such deposits that this would probably interest stark significantly. Same as having the ability to blast apart any boulders or tree stumps that might slow down the development of new farm lands.Well I suppose I can think of one other use of gunpowder: if a small amount is placed into / onto a wound and then ignited, it's rapid and hot expansion can actually sear the wound, effectively cauterising it far more rapidly than the more conventional methods. It'll hurt like a bitch and getting the amount wrong, although it won't kill you, would make it possibly exacerbate the wound but it'd probably seal up any additional damage it did.>However if you can keep the price of the powder below that point, then you've got a pretty large room to expand your business now don't you? Even if you don't at the moment have the infrastructure to provide black powder for every house in the North that would need it, the fact that the business is lucrative and it has room to grow speaks volumes of the future prospects of your lands.Yeah that part could be a problem. I mean, assuming the crown wants a delivery of enough to fire a broadside of cannons (so not including the swivel guns) from our ship (50 shots per cannon multiplied by 20 (?) cannons = 1000 shots) what percentage of our production is that going to be? Are we easily going to be able to supply that once-a-week or once-a-month once our production chain is finished?
>>3037946Once our mill is complete we ca easily supply Mannis with all the powder he needs. And growing our consumer base to the point demand far exceeds supply is only great for us. Ned needs to see what we can do for the north. Providing a way to increase mining yields manyfold, help "dig" irrigation in record time and even build infrastructure.
>>3038054True. Plus we can discuss our other inventions and promise that if we get this setup, that the money from it is going straight back into more industries that will also benefit the north / the realm.
>>3038068No reason to blow smoke up his ass. Say we will use the money to better set up gunpowder production and distribution for the betterment of the realm and that we will continue to innovate in the future etc. etc.
>>3036536It could work, there are probably still some unknows if he can t understand economic advantages or the supersticion of the population will make it impossible. (To the supersticion point, if the Church of the Seven [or the Old Gods one] become one of our enemys, they will play the card "wizard! wizard! burn the heretic !". they could even try to create an inquisition army for destroy us, rally zealots and knights loyal to their cause.... it could be a great problem or the perfect example for all to see a modern army obliterating a classical one). Let s change the contract to a certain amount of black powder (small for now) send to Winterfell (start with the Stark then the other familys will slowly get interested, giving us time for increase the production) for a a decent price (100 /400).
>>3038072And let s add to this contract some free guns to him, is sons and some friends. (Plus the marshal)I doubt that in the North they spit on something free.
>>3038072>>3038078Lets just get the loan and say we will repay in powder/other goods he may desire. No point making plans right now if we dont even know what the sum is or how well our production will take off.
>>3038089To be fair, OP should be able to tell us the production of gunpowder we can expect from our facilities once they are set up. Same goes for the price-per-shot of gunpowder.
>>3038131He did in the Discord. Comparable to flower.
>>3038143God damn discords.>Comparable to flower.You mean flour? As in the cooking ingredient?
>>3038148Jesus christ. Yeah. Real brain fart. Could blame it on the hangover but this is just plain bad. Flour, as in ground grain. Since the powder mill will be just a regular mill with a few extra steps. Assuming we have enough raw materials we can pump out gunpowder day and night.
>>3038196Well then that's insanely profitable.I did some quick maths, assuming we produce 3500 shots of powder per day then in a single week we produce 24,500 and in a single month we produce 98,000 which means in the course of a year we produce about 1.2 million shots of powder.These are real low numbers, chances are we'll produce more than that by a significant margin but still: it's an insane amount of powder considering it means in a decade we will have 12 million shots of powder or some percentage of that and a lot of money.
>>3038234Well you'd have to produce a shitload of powder in order to feed Bombards, Great Cannons and Black Powder ships with ammunition.Nevertheless, the muskets themselves are going to be stupid cheap to keep operational.
>Very good roll>Very good arguments for why the North would benefit"Lord Stark, forgive me if I'm being being blunt here, but whatever complaints they'd raise about offering a loan for me to complete this project should be rather groundless. Even without any wars, any excess black powder should find itself a hot commodity in the North for it's great variety of peaceful applications besides the hunting you've already realized."That seemed to pique his interest"and what is it then that you're referring to Lord Tallon""When properly used, Black Powder sunders stone as well as steel. Mines, Quarries, Castle and Road Construction, Breaking apart boulders, tunneling, removing stumps, rapid demolition of dangerous ruins and buildings, all these fields of work can benefit from access to explosives by quickening the pace and allowing for swole workmen to be reallocated to other more pressing duties.""That is if they can afford it.""Yes, the price will always be an issue but if the demand is so high that it is no longer feasible to use it for those purposes, you shall receive greater taxes for it. But if there's a supply of excess powder lying around, it can be used for labor.""That does sound promising, but have you any evidence to support this claim? I don't take kindly to fanciful claims with no substance behind them.""It is but a trivial thing to show it done if you wish."He rubs his beard a bit"There's few things I'm still concerned about this substance of yours. I am not unaware that when using Alchemy, there's always a great danger to the user.""Ah. The Targaryens and their Pyromancers. While I can't say that there is no danger to the user, the substance itself is predictable and controllable. As long as you don't keep any open flames or anything that can make sparks for ignition, you will not have any problems even if you dropped a keg of the stuff from a tower.""We will be seeing if it's as safe as you claim once we get to it.""I understand, there's a certain reputation for explosives after all.""Yes, I do think your request for asking a loan is highly warranted and within the interest of the Northern lords, even if they don't necessarily see it at first. However, there's still things to talk about relating to your product. By Ser Rodrik's words, no form of bow he has seen comes close to your guns in terms power and ease of use.""He speaks the truth, albeit my weapons would still fall to traditional bow and arrow in sheer volume of fire.""I'd like you to describe to me honestly and by your own words the military applications of this black powder and these black powder weapons. I can clearly see that the fact that they can sunder wood and stone makes them a threat to castles.">Write-in>"Yea, they're going to shit all over cavalry.">"and infantry.">"and ships.">"and castles.">"and dragons.">"and probably ice zombies as well."
>>3038299Yes, all those in that order+ add >then we will mount it on metal wagon and will drive them to the enemies
>>3038299>>"Yea, they're going to shit all over cavalry.">>"and infantry.">>"and ships.">>"and castles.">>"and dragons."Explain all those in detail, do the dragons kind of jokingly, but in a way that lets him know that it would actually be a great boon against them.
>>3038299One of the biggest advantages to firearms is that archers are no longer the only type of ranged units in play. Archers take long time to groom, and compared to that our musketeers would be practically popping out of the ground.I think that Ned Stark would (rightfully) fear our invention due to its revolutionary aspects. With the improvement of guns came a reduction in the prestige of the Nobles of the Sword, who could claim authority by being able to feed and arm knights (and certainly to a lesser degree, ordinary infantry) to protect the peasants.We need to give him our assurance that we won't start arming Goldilocks of the west with riflespam, promising that the Crown and the North (specifically the Starks) would be our first choice of customer, always.Should we discuss Lord Manderly's proposal regarding his monopoly on trade of our firearms? Ned Stark knows that Manderly is a very, very ambitious man (remember that this is the guy who so brazenly proposed becoming the minter of North's own currency) even if they ARE loyal where it matters.
>>3038330Archers taking time to groom is a meme unless you're talking about elite archers that go full Lars Andersen.Peasants having to go through archery training every week after church in England was because that constant training allowed them to use more powerful bows and thus outrange their foes, not because it took that long to actually train them to hit a target.
>>3038372fun fact; football was one banned in England because the peasants were sneaking off to do that instead of archery practice.
>>3038413Yeah, the UK's had a fair few run-in's with random religious banning of shit. I mean there was the Puritans and all the shit they tried too.Also, have we figured out what our standardised uniform for our soldiers is going to be? I mean obviously any sailors are going to remain in light armour if any at all but what do we plan on equipping our musketeers and cavalry with?
>>3038432Plan? Fullplate all the way. However, since we will have to wait until industry to mass-produce armor it will probably be compareable quality armor, if not better since we are going for quality and all.
>>3038413after that it was golf i heard.and the after-game whiskey
>>3038299>"Yea, they're going to shit all over cavalry.">"and infantry.">"and ships.">"and castles.">"and dragons.">"and probably ice zombies as well.">>3038322+add this. Steam tanks ?
>>3038704>Steam tanks ?That's a possible project for the future; best not complicate matters by discussing such things at the moment.
>>3038323I support this.
>>3038713To add to them we could actually make metal war wagons that put our infantry on the high ground, safe and always moving. From there our infantry can always shoot against the enemy , doesn t need to fear cavalry or other infantry because the wagon will drive trough them, and they can even throw bombs from them. >>3038733Too much for the Stark ?
>>3038798>Too much for the Stark ?Unless it's Tony, yes.
>>3038299>>"Yea, they're going to shit all over cavalry.">>"and infantry.">>"and ships.">>"and castles.">>"and dragons."
>>3039042then i change to>>3038323but the steam tanks and metal wagons can become new projects for the future.
>>3038570>Plan? Fullplate all the way. However, since we will have to wait until industry to mass-produce armour it will probably be comparable quality armour, if not better since we are going for quality and all.As much as I think that would be cool and useful, I'd worry about the expense. I was also more so looking for aesthetic points like if we're going to have a crest on the chest or anything given we'll want to make our troops look impressive and shit.Although I will say, the issue of using a helm and a musket is avoiding a loss of sight while still maintaining protection. Given a musket requires you can not only aim it but see in order to reload it. So we can't have any knightly helms, rather we should look at kettle helms or sallets (admittedly a modified version with a wider viewing slit).
>>3039164The plate needent be all-encompasing. Different helmets for riders and infantry, designs in place for aiming, gauntlets that allow fine finger movement etc. And if its still too much go with half plate.As to expense, if we manufacture with presses its going to be cheap as fuck. And yes, a crest is great, probably some green-black-gold colouring as well since we need to outfit only a few men compared to the thousands of others.
>>3039226Maybe we can get some large towershields, they could be used in combination with good helmets to absorb most projectiles thrown our way, break charges against our infantry and double as something our men can rest their muskets on while aiming. Since it would probably greatly decrease mobility and doesn't allow us to use some other line infantry tactics, only some units should be equipped in this manner. For sieges, countering enemy archers and main battle line (in combination with the highly mobile outriders, to secure their flanks) they could be useful though. Maybe give them grenades aswell.
>>3039226>The plate needent be all-encompasing. Different helmets for riders and infantry, designs in place for aiming, gauntlets that allow fine finger movement etc. And if its still too much go with half plate.Good to know. Honestly the plate can be kept covering their whole body, it's just a question of using some more complicated gauntlets and a slightly different helm.>As to expense, if we manufacture with presses its going to be cheap as fuck. True but setting up such a system could prove extremely expensive. However even moderate automation on production could greatly reduce costs by reducing the amount of skilled / unskilled labourers needed.Plus we can sell that shit to anyone who wants decent / good plate for a low cost. Especially if we get a gambeson production line up too.>And yes, a crest is great, probably some green-black-gold colouring as well since we need to outfit only a few men compared to the thousands of others.True, we've got lots of choices for visual enhancement. Linked below is a video about actual historical armour styling that has some interesting concepts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdI6PoJXmZg
>>3039288I think you fell for the mobility meme.
Also we should really look into methods of simplifying the production and design of our guns. Even a minor reduction in costs or production time would prove significant given their expense and the fact we're going to be the only source of them in the world. However we also have to maintain operational secrecy / security as much as possible.https://www.eliwhitney.org/7/museum/eli-whitney/arms-productionThis source is interesting as it details a arms manufacturer and their factory's methodology: specifically in regards to automation (the issues thereof), the skill level of the workers, the complexity of their work and lastly the layout of the site along with the actual contents of the building.Admittedly, it lacks significant detail regarding specific machines and their nature or the specifics of manpower employed and in what roles but it is a sufficient example of an arms factory in my opinion to act as the basis for discussion.In fact the only mention of a machine with any great specifics is an allusion to a machine similar to one designed by John H. Hall, that being a milling machine. However the implications of this machine are rather astounding for our production costs and time from the limited details I can find on his wikipedia page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Hall_(gunsmith)
>>3038299Tell him in detail the applications of gunpowder weapons. The penetrating power and effective range of the average musket, pistol, rifle and carbine. Also let him know about our future plans for field artillery. Long range cannons, howitzers, and mortars. Explain how we can change the type of ammo used for the artillery for the desired effect. Explosive rounds with shrapnel, canister shot (basically a huge shotgun), solid shot, incendiary rounds. If he wants the military applications he can look at it as a force multiplier. With field guns, howitzers, and mortars, combined with some soldiers and engineers to make field fortifications, or wagon laagers (Hussite wagon forts) we can turn any field battle into a defensive battle. Let him know anyone on the opposite side of us will have the option of either being shelled to death, conceding the field, or attacking. Having effective artillery when nobody else does gives us a huge leg up that can only be overcome through extraordinary effort, betrayal, or extreme and gross negligence and incompetence. Also sell him on the idea of a last stand type of gun, an ace in the hole for ambushes or close quarters situation. A pair of small, easy to conceal pistols capable of punching through plate if he is ever in a situation where it looks like he’ll either be killed or captured.
>>3039704To begin with, at least, simple division of labour would put us head & shoulders above anyone else in terms of manufacturing power, but yes; specialised machines and so-on are definitely something we should look into long-term.
>>3040045True but the thing is machines have many other benefits, like for one thing reducing the ability for human error and making the job less highly skilled, meaning we might even be able to avoid hiring as many highly-skilled craftsmen. Not to mention, they often wear out their tools more slowly than a human by acting on them more predictably and efficiently. Meaning we save money on replacing files, drills, saws and so on.Every worker we don't have to pay, every tool we don't have to replace and every second of work saved will add up over the next few years. Especially as the effect becomes larger and larger. If we're really good we could halve the cost of a musket and the production time.
>>3040014Dude all of that would make him not want us to ever make guns. Ned is about tradition and muh honor. Anything that would ruin the honor and value of skill in the battlefield would be a negative to him. Were selling him on gunpowder for its economic guns AMD shutting the fuck up about military applications unless directly asked.
>>3040878Tradition and Honor as in The Old Way, Justice and Duty.He's not a man bound to any sort of Martial tradition in the way that Reach is save to those traditions limited by the Old Ways, which means he values and upholds the structure and traditions of the first men.However whatever rigid martial tradition the first men had was purged of weakness when Andals arrived come their heavy cavalry and later when the Dragons arrived. If Ned was salty about how people fought in battlefield, he'd have never befriended the Crannogmen who fight using poison and guerilla tactics.The Main thing to him is your conduct, not your weapons or tactics.Raping sprees, unnecessary looting, treachery and killing innocents for terror tactics are things he cares about more than whether or not you shoot or stab your enemy.
>>3040014What this >>3040878 anon said. He is not interested in upheval on the battlefield but uses to better his realm.>>3040187With an actual production line and industrial machinery we could be looking at Model T type efficiency. Metal work done by machines overseen by umies. Granted, making the lock will be more difficult but forming and machining the barrel will be a breeze once we have steam power fully going.
>>3041018Of course, if you do tell him you're planning on making like cannons with explosive shells and other weapons that cause collateral damage, he's probably not going to react too well on that.
>>3041065Hence why we wont tell him about our WW1 shelling tactics, razor wire or machine guns.
>"Yea, they're going to shit all over cavalry.">"and infantry.">"and ships.">"and castles.">"and dragons.""Well, for one, guns are going to be offering a fairly solid counter against heavy cavalry as they tend to disregard most forms of armor and scare horses that haven't been trained to get used to the noises.""Secondly, they're going to be offering a fairly solid counter against Infantry as any traditional formation is frankly just going to help give larger target for field cannons and muskets from a greater range.""Thirdly there's the naval application. Cannons rip right through unarmored war galleys, making organized rowing impossible when under fire.""After that, as you mentioned there's castles and yes, whilst infantry with explosives is a threat to gates and walls, guns can be made big enough to keep out of range of the defenders without guns.""Finally, there is also the potential Anti-Air application. Now I've never studied Dragonlore, but someone managed to bring some back from Asshai or the like, I'd imagine a big enough gun should still kill them.""You're telling me you estimate these weapons of yours to be on par with dragons?""Hmmm... not exactly. Dragons are still more mobile and dragonfire still more terrifying than what is basically a giant alchemical sling, but the fact remains that no tactics or strategies have been developed against my weapons yet as they are so new.""I see and exactly how much do you expect to produce in a year?""Well, at the moment we aren't exactly independent in terms of resources, but with the mills going at full capacity... I guess the processing capacity is going to be about 50 tons of Black Powder annually? Though this is a generous estimate not taking supply shortages or prices into account.""50 tons!?! So much?""I estimate that if the Royal fleet as well as your own castles and ships wish to make extensive uses of my services, I may need to expand further still. Long Range Cannons will eat a lot of powder each shot.""I hope you understand the position that puts you in.""I don't follow.""If your weaponry is as you claim and you recklessly sell it, you can cause great harm to the Seven Kingdoms. Now, I will trust that you are a man of such character that you will not betray your oaths to me or to King Robert...""But you're saying you will keep an eye on me."He nods"I hope you do not take this as an insult, but as Warden of the North to do less would be neglecting my duty.""And the loan?""I am not blind to the benefits you are promising. I am prepared to offer you a loan of 5 000 gold dragons with the expectation that you will pay me 10 000 back in 10 years time." > [Yay!] A Most Generous offer. I will take it. > [Nay!] I will sleep upon it and contact a notary. > [Gay!] 5000 GOLD!?! YOU'RE A FUCKING PEASANT STARK! > [Pray!] Jesus, take the wheel ( Start whipping the moneylender ) > Write-in
>>3041489>[Yay!] A Most Generous offer. I will take it.
>>3041489> [Yay!] A Most Generous offer. I will take it.
>>3041489>> [Yay!] A Most Generous offer. I will take it.
>>3041489> [Yay!] A Most Generous offer. I will take it.".... but alongside that lord stark, i would like some northmen workers for my city, from 100 to 500 alongside their familys will be sufficient .... and maybe inform me if anyone else observes my lands. I also sincerely hope that this is the beginning of a fruitful friendship for the north."
>>3041489> [Gay!] 5000 GOLD!?! YOU'RE A FUCKING PEASANT STARK!> [Pray!] Jesus, take the wheel ( Start whipping the moneylender )what shit interest.
>>3041624Approximately 7.5% annual interest in medieval times is actually pretty fucking low considering that for example modern India has much worse interest rates than that.>>3041614Jesus fuck that's an unreasonable request.You're asking your liege to forcibly relocate nearing a thousand people to your lands and to actually have him look out for people spying on you after he just gave you a loan?It's not like Winterfell is overpopulated in the slightest to begin with.
>>3041794you are right, then just yay.
Too bad we dont have a higher cunning or we could try and jew this real hard
>>304179410,000 in 10 years? What if we paid it off early? Because that is double what we’re getting over the life of the loan. I would prefer we pay it off ASAP. I didn’t know that the Starks were a bunch of Jewish money grubbing shekelgrabbers.
>>3041794>>3041805i change to > [Nay!] I will sleep upon it and contact a notary.
>>3041794Question: will Stark accept repayment in guns/powder at market price? If so, we can pay back our loan with guns, effectively bringing down the repayment sum to 6-7 thousand gold. Far better. And even if not, its an OK deal. Not great but doable, especially if our business goes as planned.>>3041489> [Yay!] A Most Generous offer. I will take it.
>>3041489Yes10 years is a lot of time. Either we will die in meantime or become rich enough that the amount will be trivial for us.
>>3041829>What if we paid it off early?This is a good question, I mean what if we end up doing really well in a tournament and our bets turn out like last time? We could drop a good fifth of that amount without any difficulty. Seriously, it's a possibility that we'll end up making enough money before a decade is up for this to matter.
>>3041829If you wanna renegotiate the terms, for example paying back earlier, but cutting short the amount of interest you will pay, that is fine too. However this is the way these things are usually done without a proper banking system.
Ultimately you do need to determine right now how much time you actually want to have to pay back.You are however expected to hold true to that and there will be repercussions if you do not pay to your liege.He has appearances to uphold after all.
>>3042667>If you wanna renegotiate the terms, for example paying back earlier, but cutting short the amount of interest you will pay, that is fine too. That'd be an ideal term to get into the deal. Although to be honest I kinda want to see if we can get him to drop 200 Gold Dragons for the simple reason that I'm a money grubbing ass and I've been raised to never take a deal straight up without haggling.Perhaps ask if we could instead have a loan of 4500 with an repayment of 8800 instead? A lower interest rate but also a smaller investment / risk on his part while still being significant to us. >>3042722What level of earnings could we expect in Gold Dragons from our lands discounting the powder industry and how much can we expect to earn from it, assuming we managed to sell and produce about 60% of our maximum capacity without massively inflating material costs? As in is it reasonable to assume that without any future developments, just the industries this money shall set up along with our existing earnings, that we can pay this loan back without seriously stressing our finances? Assuming we can reasonably pay off this loan, as in we maintain enough of an income to pay for expanding our military by a further military unit / creating a new holding every year (at most) or so, I'd accept these current terms.
Whilst giving other Lord's musket and gunpowder designs, we should start making designs for repeater rifles so maintain that edge over other armies. We are, we've gotta remember, but a small parcel of land, at the mercy of bigger armies
>>3043384Before we get to repeating firearms. Things like breechloaders and primers r a priority.
>>3043384We aren't even remotely close to repeating rifles in terms of tech and keep in mind mechanically speaking they have lots of tiny moving parts. That must be extremely precise unless you want it to blow up in your hand. The guns we are currently using is much more forgiving in that regard. With them the only tricky part is getting the metallurgy right and the rifling.Trying to tech up to repeating rifles would be a nightmare if only due to the lack of precise machinery alone. There's a reason why it took many centuries despite having blackpowder tech to reach that point.If we want something powerful right now to upgrade our arsenal our best bet is actually perfecting grenades.
>>3042793Depends entirely on how you price the goods.However, if you did manage to sell that quantity for 2 silver to 100 grain, you'd be realistically able to make 10 000 Gold in a year.Problem is actually moving that much product as you don't exactly have an arms industry capable of producing enough guns to create such a demand yet.
>>3043684I would imagine that is what stockpiling and selling the gunpowder as explosives to help with economics come in. The problem is 1 Making sure people KNOW how useful explosives are and 2 making enough guns/cannons to actually sell enough powder on a regular enough basis.
>>3043684Wont he accept the very same powder as repayment? Not like he cant sell it if he doesnt use it himself.
>>3043858We just told him what it could also be used for. Chances are IF he accepts powder as payment he'll probably lend it peasantry and other nobles to help develop them. Which seems to be Stark's main interest in it. Stannis on the other hand wants it for his military.Actually come to think of it we should ask Stark if he can hook us up with other nobles who would be interested in buying gunpowder from us in order to develop their own lands. Doing so would also be a gesture of trust because it would mean he would know EXACTLY what we are doing with it and truthfully he no doubt knows a LOT of nobles who could use the stuff.Damn we gotta bring that up. We use Stark to hook us up with other Northern Nobles for trade and we use Manderly to introduce to us some foreign trade partners.
>>3043882Sure. Mining and infrastructure work will probably see quite the jump up in productivity.
>>3043607Realistically, were not too far from manufacturing single/ repeater shot rifles. Mass producing bullets with the same iron/ lead cast coupled with a jacket that contains the same amount of gunpowder every time isn't the hard part. The hard part is the gears and bolt action mechanism.
>>3043882Not like he won't use it for defense as well.
>>3043912Add consistent quality alloy and percussion caps to the list. Essentially, until we have a Converter going and mercury fulminate figured out only we/Outriders will have anything resembling rapid fire guns. And even then its probably some paper cartridge or crank mechanism where bullets and powder roll around free in separate reservoirs.
Just a quick and probably stupid thought, but it would surely be theoretically possible to create rocket ball type ammunition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ball), scale it up to solve the lack of power issue, and design some kind of inline flintlock mechanism that would send the spark directly into the hole in the back of the rocket ball. If we can do that thing that was probably never done in real life for some very good reason, we can fairly easily make caseless repeating rifles without much by way of complex chemistry.
>>3043974Thing is they are, as the article says, weak as fuck. So unless you want to make the bullets large as fuck (screwing with the aerodynamics and making manufacture difficult) there is no point. Besides not like we need the extra firepower until the war starts. Now another fun thing is the gyrojet, which, although also non-practical, is a cool design.
>>3043981True. A simpler option which did actually exist for repeating firepower would be superposed load flintlocks, which would be a useful upgrade for our outriders.
> Yarp"Reasonable enough offer. Though I must make sure, are you picky about me paying back in gold or is it fine to provide goods instead?""I'm afraid you'll have to take such matters to my Steward Vayon Poole. He handles our accounts and stores. Anything we will use ourselves in Winterfell we will accept of course and any excess we gather in taxes will be traded or gifted away.""That answers that. Sure, let's get this done. I do hope my lord can lend me some of his blokes for security. My fortunes are sort of riding on this.""I'll make sure to arrange a sufficient escort, provided of course your powder lives up to your words.""We're ready to go as soon as you like.""Tomorrow. You and your men need to rest and I'll need my council to spectate as well.""The More the Merrier my lord." > Congratulations! You negotiated a loan with WinterfellAfter the meal came a brief period of rest and you started making plans of setting up a display to Lord Eddard Stark for the following day in matters of black powder. You had pistols, some smoothbore muskets, a rifle, a hand mortar, rockets and a swivel gun you brought. It would be a spectacle. The Outriders would be the opening act, displaying how effective a bunch of young men full of piss and vinegar toting guns on horseback can be. There would be an extra warhorse brought in, untrained to handle the noises to show the difference.After that there'd be displays of the other arms and the sheer power they had in comparison to a siege crossbow from Stark's own armory as well as a scorpion ballista. Not going to showcase the rifle.Past that, you had the civilian uses, such as breaking boulders and cutting trees. Finally, there was going to be the fireworks come evening. > Anything you want to change? > You have achieved your objective in Winterfell, do wish to time-skip the hunting trip or play through the hunting trip? > [My feet hurt]: skip cutscene > [I'm hunting wabbits]: no skippy
>>3044090>[I'm hunting wabbits]: no skippy
>>3044090>[My feet hurt]: skip cutscene
>>3044090>> [I'm hunting wabbits]: no skippyDose waskaly wabbits!
>>3043384Nah man, that'd take too much of an investment. We can do that closer to the time we'll need that sort of advantage if we even do it.>>3043684>Problem is actually moving that much product as you don't exactly have an arms industry capable of producing enough guns to create such a demand yet.True but if we're smart we should be able to sell a large amount to the King for his own use. Especially if we were to make him a gun of his own given he'd then want a supply for his own personal use. Plus there's a mine in our lands, we can use that to offload large amounts of powder into mining and we don't even have to worry about transporting tonnes of powder over long distances.Then after that it's mostly a job of going round the north talking to various lords / sending them letters and seeing if any would like to purchase guns for themselves (with engravings of house sigil and other such embellishments) or for their men along with our other products, gunpowder and fireworks.>>3044090>[I'm hunting wabbits]: no skippyWe've brought a swivel gun: time to kill a bear in a single shot and terrify everyone.
>>3044090>[My feet hurt]: skip cutscene>I'm tired>The North is cold>There are no good waifus around here>I wish I was back in Oldtown getting drunk on Arbor wine with Ruger
>>3044118Keep on mind the more you sell to the King, the harder it will be to deal with King's Landing come War of Five Kings.Of course you could always try and set up sleeper cells for preparation if you don't avoid that.
>>3044163Or, we sell to Mannis, not the King directly, thus keeping most resources in the capable hands of the Prince who we will be supporting anyway.
>>3044163I suppose but to be fair, we'd only need a single man on the inside to set alight the powder store and then not only have we destroyed one of the few cannon-ships in existence but we've gotten rid of all that powder too.Although, to be honest, I'd expect by the point in time we're trying to take Kings landing (assuming we do try) that a fair amount of the powder would've been used up. >>3044175That'd also work. Especially if we could somehow convince him to keep most if not all of it at Dragonstone, seeing as he retreats there when Joffrey takes the throne.
>>3044148>>There are no good waifus around hereArisis a cinnamon roll you Glycine max boy.Anyhoo:>>3044090> [I'm hunting wabbits]: no skippy
>>3044332She's side ho material, think with your wallet, not your dick.
>>3044341What about your heart & soul, anon? Why must you be so dead inside?
>>3044362I just want to be remembered as something more than a failed ship captain or loony inventor when we finally depart this timeline and she won't help much. We can get mushy afterwards.
>>3044405I kinda have to agree with this sentiment.I mean, even if we did die right now, so long as Westeros continues to develop and use gunpowder (unlikely given they don't know how it's made but once we're set up they could continue potentially) then we will go down in the history books as the man who started the path to a new age of war. However I want us to go down as somewhere between Machiavelli, Leonardo da Vinci and Federico da Montefeltro. Which means we have a lot of work before we may pass away.
>>3044090>> [My feet hurt]: skip cutscene
>>3044405>>3044423We can still easily do all these things with the lovely, charming, Airis Tallon née Fullaxe at our side.
>>3044090>[I'm hunting wabbits]: no skippy>>3044118>We've brought a swivel gun: time to kill a bear in a single shot and terrify everyone.Dear God, yes
>>3044556Just wait until sir Bearington come to lead the bears to victory.
So, as of this moment in time our finances stand thus: 2238 Gold Dragons of personal funds, equal to 11.2 wealth. 5000 Gold dragons of loan money (200% repayment) equal to 25 wealth. 6000 Gold Dragons for the selling of our ship, equal to 30 wealth.Total wealth: 66.2 "potential" wealth + 1 currently uninvested wealth = 67.2 total wealthCost of remaining powder industry constructions: Sulphur Refining Operation(5), Niter Beds(10), Charcoal mill(5) (<--Warning: we lack a heavy forest, can't construct a charcoal production facility without that assuming I'm reading the pdf right, might be able to get around it with our light forest but still). Total: 20 wealth.Result after establishing industry = 47.2 wealth
>>3044759Its Cows (10) + Niter Beds (10) for a total of 20 (since Sulphur refining should already be in the works. Charcoal is cheap as fuck and even more plentyful, no point making a holding if we can just buy it in for pocket change (keep in mind we have limited people for our holdings on our current land. Also, keep in mind we will need a whole nother wad of cash to start up gun/cannon production. Coupled with At Least a Port (10), ideally a Marketplace (10) as well so we can actually sell and transport our powder.Looking at around 40 Wealth investment to get powder production and decent trade network/facilities going. On the plus side, easier to get new customers (since they can now come to us), more traffic to our town and no need for additional infrastructure for the 20+ Wealth Guns investment.Basically, if the Crown gives us another 5K we can start guns and powder production.
>>3044802>Cows (10) + Niter Beds (10)Shit yeah forgot about that.>Charcoal is cheap as fuck and even more plentyful, no point making a holding if we can just buy it in for pocket changeWe're making a product that can be from 12.5 to 30% charcoal. Seeing as we are at max making 50 tonnes of the stuff per year, we can assume our product to be 15% charcoal, that means we need 7.5 tonnes of charcoal a year and about 0.73 tonnes per month.http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y4450e/y4450e11.htmThis site specifies with traditional methods to get a set mass of charcoal, anywhere between 8 to 12 or more times as much wood is needed. This means we would need 5.84 tonnes of wood per month at a bear minimum and 8.86+ tonnes of wood per month at a maximum. That is an insane amount of wood in my opinion to try and gather from a lightly wooded area if we don't want to deforest it over time or have to invest significantly in replanting which could take years to show results.>(keep in mind we have limited people for our holdings on our current land. If you build it they will come. Especially if you offer good pay and relatively light work, which is what our automation provides.>Also, keep in mind we will need a whole nother wad of cash to start up gun/cannon production.True but I can't find the cost of setting those up and to be fair short term I somewhat want to focus on the civilian use of gunpowder. Since that is an easier market for us to crack at least until we can get a gunsmith started.Also I'd avoid cannon production for now. They are huge powder hogs that are only suitable for ships or sieges, not ideal for lords looking to strengthen their forces realistically especially here in the north where such expenses are...unpopular.>Coupled with At Least a Port (10), ideally a Marketplace (10) as well so we can actually sell and transport our powder.I don't think we need the marketplace. Fact is people know who is selling the guns and where to go about buying them. Now as to the port, we might need that as our business picks up but as of now I think the small port we have might suffice.>Basically, if the Crown gives us another 5K we can start guns and powder production.If the crown gives us anything along the lines of two thousand Gold Dragons, we can easily start gun production. If they give us a significant amount (e,g equal to what the Starks gave), we can also throw in either cannons or start a distillery to enable us producing.
>>3044885Just doubled checked my charcoal math, after remembering computers work as calculators, turns out we'd range between 5 and 7.5+ tonnes per month.
>>30448851) Just buy in charcoal. Its cheap as fuck, everyone makes it and since we only use so little there is no point in us making it ourselves.2) As per the ruleset, we cant build more than our plot allows. This is limited by the amount of people on it. Granted, we can get more land but Id rather keep everything close by. So before we can build anything, we gotta get the pops. QM said offering destitute villagers in the area a chance to resettle under fair terms is a possbility.3) We will need to produce guns/cannons anyway. Might as well get it out of the way and ready since we will be spending a few years on steam engines so the industry can make us enough dough for the prototypes when we actually get them.4) Port is actually essential if we ever want to trade our powder since the "docks" we have now is shit the tiny fishing boats use, no real trade ship can dock. Marketplace is nice because it allows us to trade more freely, brings in more wealth for the populace and means we dont need to search out trade deals (as we do with the port) because the people can just come to us if they want to buy them (also tied up in the game rules).5) I dont see a point selling hooch. I mean, we will need near 95% pure ethanol for fulminated mercury but I dont see mass distilling as too profitable. Maybe sell distilleries we can more easily make with steam power down the line.>>3044897Again, just buy it in. Also, a bit high since most of the napoleonic era powders used around 10%.>>3044909pic related
>>3044959>1) Just buy in charcoal. Its cheap as fuck, everyone makes it and since we only use so little there is no point in us making it ourselves.I don't doubt that it's cheap but I do disagree we are only using "a little" when we're talking about literal tonnes of the stuff every month assuming we're running at capacity. Still this is something to deal with when or if the issue arises.>2) As per the ruleset, we cant build more than our plot allows. This is limited by the amount of people on it. Granted, we can get more land but Id rather keep everything close by. So before we can build anything, we gotta get the pops. QM said offering destitute villagers in the area a chance to resettle under fair terms is a possibility.Fair enough. To be honest I don't entirely know the system, just enough to make the occasional knowledgeable point / educated guess.>3) We will need to produce guns/cannons anyway. Might as well get it out of the way and ready since we will be spending a few years on steam engines so the industry can make us enough dough for the prototypes when we actually get them.Obviously but I am saying cannons aren't a good place to start, given the only people who will reasonably want to buy them will be the King / Stannis given they are the only two with the power / wealth and the knowledge of how safe / effective our weapons are. Most people will see them as alchemist gambits and won't invest in them too heavily at first given their opinions will be coloured by wildfire. Far better to focus on producing guns: smaller, cheaper and far easier to convince lords to give a try. Especially after the display we'll be making here.Optimistically, they might be so impressed by what they see here as to disregard that but still. Better to bet on something small and easy to deal with like guns than something like cannons. Especially when the case is we will need lots of guns for ourselves to raise additional units of soldiers to control our land / act as mercenaries / demonstrate our weapons but will only need to start getting cannons later down the line when we plan on getting involved in an actual war.>4) Port is actually essential if we ever want to trade our powder since the "docks" we have now is shit the tiny fishing boats use, no real trade ship can dock. Marketplace is nice because it allows us to trade more freely, brings in more wealth for the populace and means we dont need to search out trade deals (as we do with the port) because the people can just come to us if they want to buy them (also tied up in the game rules).Okay fair enough.
>>3045001>5) I dont see a point selling hooch. I mean, we will need near 95% pure ethanol for fulminated mercury but I dont see mass distilling as too profitable. Maybe sell distilleries we can more easily make with steam power down the line.A distillery is an extremely profitable business. For one thing, all people rely on alcohol in this era to render drinking water safe, what we're selling can last them far longer thanks to it's higher concentration. Add in the interest nobles will almost certainly have in a consumable liquid that can be lit on fire that gets them drunk and we've got a good product. This is before mentioning the strong anti-septic properties of strong alcohol or the fact we could use it as a good to get that land-deal off of the Manderly's given this is exactly the sort of good he was interested in. Plus we can use it as a reward for our soldiers: strong alcohol has always worked as a good motivator.>Again, just buy it in. Also, a bit high since most of the napoleonic era powders used around 10%.Yeah and the Wikipedia page mentions us Brits using a powder with 20% charcoal. I chose to go with a lower value. I don't know how our powder will turn out to be mixed to be honest given it will depend on how finely we can grind it.
>>3044959>pic relatedPic also related.
>>3045001I mean we will use far too little to justify building a holding when we can just import it from literally anyone nearby. Especially with a Port.And we can put the cannons as the last piece of equipment to start production, however keep in mind swivel guns and the like will also be under cannons.Hard hooch is nothing new, water was not distilled that way (the connection comes from the fact that yeast wont grow in shite water) and selling the promise of making money will net us far more cash, especially if we can produce them to the highest standard and cheaply with industry.>>3045021pic related. Now put it back in your pants and stop your fetishising. If you want that, go to /h/.
>>3045052Pic related. We *will* court Airis, and we *will* fill her sad, lonely, heart with joy & love.
>>3045072There's nothing wrong with romance, especially in a romantic, fantasy setting you hollow-chested robot.
>>3045085Forgot the GIF, sorry.
>>3045093Holy shit chill out with the Airis shilling. From now on I vote no forever on anything to do with courting the useless white Airis just because of this annoying asshole.
Airis a useless whore ignore her, marry Sans stark or dragon bitch instead.
>>3045101the dragon bitch will probably love too much the dragons, and sans who knows. It will probably depend a bit on our appearance
>>3045052>I mean we will use far too little to justify building a holding when we can just import it from literally anyone nearby. Especially with a Port.True but you also have to consider the other utilities of charcoal: it's extremely useful for metalworking meaning we could use it for gun and cannon making as well as fuelling / making steam engines.>And we can put the cannons as the last piece of equipment to start production, however keep in mind swivel guns and the like will also be under cannons.True. I suppose we could start production of lighter cannons soon but given they'll be far easier to produce with more automation / steam engines, waiting to start production so the facility can integrate the latest in our technical designs might be smart.>Hard hooch is nothing newActually it is in Westeros. As their methods are inefficient and imprecise, producing far lower content, an alcohol which can be lit on fire is an unusual sight.>water was not distilled that way (the connection comes from the fact that yeast wont grow in shite water)Eh, I swear OP mentioned it in some prior thread. Although I could be confusing it with a documentary I watched recently.>selling the promise of making money will net us far more cash, especially if we can produce them to the highest standard and cheaply with industry.I have no problem selling them, in fact I'd give it to the Manderly's in return for the lands they previously offered us or even half of those lands, but I'd still say we should make one for ourselves.
>>3045128Charcoal is also essential to heat our forged and foundries to the temperature we need to make high quality steel.
>>3045138Exactly, if we want to make genuinely good armour for our troops, boilers for our steam engines and barrels for our cannons / guns then we need a source of good fuel. The only alternative would be coal coke.
>>3045101>>3045115Okay, in all seriousness; even if we don't marry Airis, some ruthlessly ambitious, Lady Macbeth type is the last kind of woman we want.If we don't marry for love (I hope we do) then the next best thing would be some meek, pliable, aristocratic, brood-mare with money, lands, and titles: Someone who can be relied upon to squeeze out an heir & a spare (as the saying goes), look good on our arm at social functions, and otherwise keep her nose out of our business.
>>3045484That shit sounds exactly like Sans Stark. Or 99% of females in this setting. Cersei, Denares, Aryan starks, sand snakes, Theon ugly sister, are all very much the exception to the rule for Westeros. Just avoid dornish women in general and Lannister’s and u should be good. There’s plenty of women who need husband who are infinitely more advantageous to marry than Airis. Marrying for love is stupid. Throughout human history, across nearly every society, whether European, Asian, African, Hindu, Muslim, Native American, marriage was used to build economic and social ties. Marrying for love is a very very very recent phenomenon. Furthermore, Arthur Tallon isn’t the kind of person who would be likely to fall in love with anyone, given his infinite different lives, and his huge ambitions. Marrying for love would just be extremely out of character unless he happened to marry for love with someone from one of the Great Houses, the Targaryen girl, or someone with literal mountains of gold.
>>3045634Truth be told, the MC being freed from the usual consequences of life to such an extent that he could go play minigolf with the guys who murdered him sort of liberates him from the need to do anything for sake of anything but personal goals.This means that if he felt like going for a romance with for example a lowborn, he could do so simply because he felt like it. Of course, he does also know that he will in all likelihood outlive such romances, so it's questionable how invested he would be to such a relationship.
>>3045128>>3045138>>3045145And guess what we have in our mines that a far better fuel source for machinery and forges...Its coal. We have coal in our mine. The only use we have for charcoal is making gunpowder.>>3045484As QM said, no point. Now would you please stop?
Rolled 1, 4, 3, 6, 1 = 15 (5d6)
Rolled 1, 4, 6, 1 = 12 (4d6)
Rolled 2, 3, 3, 5 = 13 (4d6)>>3046483
Rolled 6, 5, 5, 1, 5, 5 = 27 (6d6)>>3046500
> no skippy[1/3]You clap your hands together"Right. Let's get started shall we? Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone of you for taking the time off your busy schedules to come and see our presentation."The Stage was a small stretch of land north of Winter town, largely empty space with some plains where the horses would normally graze. Your audience was a small crowd from Winter Town and most of Eddard's court as well as his family"Our opening act shall be the freshly minted Outriders, an experiment in persistent training and drilling in the cavalry department and one of the potential additions to the knightly traditions of Horsemanship."There were clay tiles mounted on top of sticks as targets, roughly twice the size of a man's head on a neat line."Now what our lads are gonna do is that they're going to ride up to these targets and when they're in range, shoot and then turn around. We've a seasoned Warhorse from the last war tied here as a way to see how enemy horses would be prone to reacting to this sort of Warhorn." You procure out a Warhorn from a saddle pouch"Would you do the honors Lord Stark?"https://youtu.be/dW2GF6145vsAs the horn grew silent, the men started galloping forth in a line formation with Lucan at the helm. At 100 paces he pulls out a pistol , spins his hand around clockwise and points towards his left and starts veering the line toward that flank.At 30 something paces, he banks towards the right flank and opens fire, one pistol after another before retreating and the line followed suit, doing a horseback driveby from left to right flank with repeating thunderous pounding, enough to cause the horse to panic in it's restraints as Lord Stark's master of Horse tried to calm it down.>(Rolled 13, not bad for rookies)Once the smoke cleared, most of the targets were even hit! With twice the punch of a traditional cavalry charge out of the range of Pikes and Lances.Best of all, they wouldn't need a squire to supply them with fresh lances."As you can see, without the proper training even warhorses get frightened by the smoke, the flashes and the loud noises. Whilst pistols no doubt lack the impact of a lance strike, they can still disrupt a cavalry charge all the same."You see the crowd start murmuring and clapping at the odd, yet no doubt impressive display of horseborn formation marksmanship as Lucan and his riders return to bow at the audience.
[2/3]"Next, we will have a presentation on the specific qualities of this type of Weaponry, as designed for infantry. We've here a target, it's basically a dead pig stuck in gambeson and coat of plates. First, we'll have a good old fashioned Crossbow have a go at it."Rodrik Cassel took aim and naturally the shot didn't penetrate the armor."As you can see, even with great skill, that armor's dead'ard. Why don't you try this instead?" you hand him out a loaded musket. He takes aim and > He rolls 12 ( Solid hit )The bullet pings a hole clean through the armor, pushing one of the plates inside the pig. As the smoke clears, the crowd gives applause to the Master-at-arms."Well struck, but I don't think that pig is quite dead enough yet."You open up the box with the swivel gun on it and mount it on a tripod you had made for it.As you did, Ser Rodrik had a distinct "Oh fuck." sort of face on him."Now, for this I recommend you cover your ears if you haven't already."You stick a fuse into the hole and aim the swivel gun. > 13 ( Solid hit )As the Thunder ripples through the horizon, and wisps of smoke dance on the ground, blown by the gentle wind, the Pig comes to the sight once more. This time with a hole the size of a child's fist glaring through it."That's crazy."Ser Rodrik speaks as he sees the aftermath"I know, right? Probably should request your Lord to Comission some. Wink Wink. Anyhow, moving right along. Those who wish to inspect the target, feel free to do so. There's a bit of intermission before the final part of the show as we set up the charges to blow up one of these boulders in here."With that, you get your fuses, your charges, your mortar and then the simple hammer powered stone boring tool you made.As the crowd inspected the pork and the children went looking for the ball in the field, you set to work. Come to think of it, you've never actually had to do this sort of work mining work. > 21 ( Guess those alchemy lessons paid off.)You started making holes all over the massive boulder, easily thrice your size. Sticking powder, fuse and mortar to seal it all off. You carefully measured the fuses so they'd all blow off more or less the same time."Ok people! We're more or less set up in here. Everyone get behind something when we ignite this or you might get hit by shrapnel. I seriously advise against peeking for your own safety because I've never done this before!"After the spectators took cover you ignited the fuse and went down into a trench, covering your ears. After a few moments of silence, there was a ground shattering KABOOM and rocks falling."AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"You cackled like a madman when the charges went off.Luckily nobody died or got injured, but the aftermath was well worth it.The Boulder had not just cracked, it had all but crumbled into pieces easily carriable by a man, revealing several formations of foggy, but transparent quartz crystals inside.You decided to pocket up as a souvenir.
[3/3]Lord Eddard Stark came walking to watch the devastation you had wrought."Your methods might not be subtle, safe or even sane. However, I cannot argue that your ways produce results swiftly.""Little bit of hearing damage builds character."Crowd stood well in the distance after they saw that the rock was no more."What's their deal?""I think they might be a bit afraid of you Lord Tallon. They've never seen such feats of pyromancy that can shatter stone and sunder armor.""Can you tell your people to look to the skies above Winterfell after Dark? I've one last thing to show them."Come dark, the smallfolk watched in amazement as trails of sparks flew to the skies, spitting forth sparks and filling the night sky with thunderous booms and works of fire caused by the strange magic man from the far south. >Happy bday mushroom man
>>3046557So I guess we have that money now. Neato. Before we go to Kings Landing, lets spend as much of that money setting up as much infrastructure as we can. Also, we should probably think about getting the word spread in White Harbour that we want immigrants. Ask Manderly if we could pay his criers to spread our message for a few months?
>>3046557Well. Time to see if anyone wants to put in a down-payment for some guns / explosives.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM
>>3045995That's both liberating and really depressing, he could be best friends with a guy in one life, go to the funeral of the man that killed said best friend in the next life out of forced courtesy due to his standing, build up a powerbase only to have to work under his servants grown up in the next life, outlives his sons, his grandsons. Hell he could one day get into a situation where he's forced to kill of an entire line that go back to one of his previous lives and live knowing that he slayed his own descendants. That's just sad.....
>>3046945Maybe, eventually, we'll end up in a different intellectual property.
>>3046945You could also exploit your status now and buy the training to be able to not have to deal with such courtesies.It's entirely possible for you to still become a masterful swordsman or a fistfighter in this life so that even if you were to ever become a slave, peasant or a street rat, you'd be able to advance in life.You could also seek to learn to become a survivalist able to survive on any land and escape any bonds.To reach such martial and medicinal understanding of human body, that you begin your life cultivating the perfect body for your soul, sculpting it with training, dieting and food supplements and eventually without the age of magic, overcoming ravages of age.You could also cultivate your own talents in the arts, making pieces so magnetic and moving that anything you craft will be done with such precision, intricacy and skill that no mortal man could match it, becoming so experienced that you can make technological marvels without machinery.
>>3047588I really like 4 and 5.
>Virgin Wargs animals to do his bidding>Chad Bear tamer dominates animals with sheer force of personality>Virgin Shadowbinder sacrifices life force for a demonic assassin>Chad pugilist punches through the whole army, never heard of word Stealth in his life>Virgin greenseer has terrifying visions of future>Chad reincarnator disregards prophecy and shapes world to his image>Virgin pyromancer explodes himself using wildfire, burns half of his own army. Worships the substance because too weak to control it.>Chad Chemist always in total control of all the elements. Respects laws of nature and nature in turn respects him.
Alright, I've some bad news. Because of misintrepreting rules, I had to shuffle around your feudal assets a bit because I didn't actually realize that you didn't actually have room to build a sulfur refinery in your small town.The way this works is that each tile has a set limit of holdings you can have on it.>No settlement (1 Holding)>Hamlet (2 Holdings)>Small Town (3 Holdings)>Large Town (4 Holdings)>Small City (5 Holdings)>Large City (6 Holdings)As you already had a mine, a fishery on your small town and were building powder mills there as well when I gave you the OK to the Sulfur refinery, you went over the limit.However, because this was my mistake, I'm not going to make you lose anything for it.Instead the following will take place>Your powder mill and stream will be moved to a wetlands tile as it needs access to a water source.>Sulfur refining operations will be built instead on the small townI understand this is a bit confusing, but I felt I needed to let you guys know.
>>3047588>Train in this life to survive better in the next oneOh yeah honestly we should've done that instead of lord-shit this life but we can try to do both.>>3047690>Virgin sailor uses a boat to travel the ocean>Chad waterdancer walks across the narrow sea>>3047825Nah man, you dealt with it in a way that doesn't really negatively effect us and you'd established previously that this system is new to you. This sort of thing is fine.
>>3047676>>3047588>get so good you actually inadvertently raise the standards in your next few lives>"I mean you're no Tallon the Blessed but you do pretty good work">MC: this piece of shit....
>>3047854>Not Arthur the AmazingAlso, there won't be any time anomalies about you seeing yourself or your legacy.That is the price of being reborn.You have to start all over again every time with all your work cast to the winds.
>>3047867To be fair, it's better than the alternative: if our lives were accumulative then we'd rapidly lose our ability to predict the future.
Today's the day when you're supposed to go hunting for bears and other predators in the wolfswood. From what you've learned, this is a relatively minor festival which is mainly attended by the local lords. Only those with pressing matters tend to travel far, whilst the Harvest Festivals tend to be much larger gatherings.After the presentation, whenever you've entered the room, things tended to quiet down. For example at the breakfast you walk in to the bustle, everyone shuts up and stops what they're doing until you sit down to have some eggs and bacon at which point the murmuring starts again.What do they expect? That you're gonna shoot fireballs before having a bite to eat?Lucan on the other hand has been very popular, not just with the castle staff, but also the visiting Lords as well. Apparently they've been asking him a lot of questions about you, what you're like, what exactly are your preferences, about your court, your lands and things like that along with naturally, about what the guns are like to wield.You on the other hand have largely been left alone, save for the brief chats with Lord Stark, Steward Poole, Maester Luwin and Ser Rodrik. Largely about the matter of Siege Weaponry.They all seem to be a bit reluctant to adopt small-arms, but the concept that one could return fire against trebuchets of potential attackers to them seems to have a huge potential."Every day cannons can deny the enemy Siege Engines is another day to wait for reinforcements."This fact to them seems to make it worth having black powder stores and weaponry despite the rather long supply chains.Actual black powder small arms seem to have a fair bit of criticism on the end of "Well sure, they're good as long as the powder lasts, but after that they're just clubs." and "We can at least make the arrows and bolts in here if we run out." although you reckon that if you pay all your debt and taxes in powder, they should have enough to use it even for for recreation.After the breakfast you, along with the other guests were split into several hunting groups along with their retinues to cover more ground and to bond with eachother before returning to main camp each evening with their bounties to drink, eat, socialize and rest.Question was which group to attach yourself into. > There was the Starks, a safe option, but one you already finished business with. > There was two groups you remembered from the shitty video games by that company that went bankrupt Whitehills and Forresters Come to think of it, that reminds you that you actually know the location of the North Grove if the games are somewhat canon here. > There was also one banner you recognized as Mormonts of Bear Island > Finally there were a few that you're gonna need a knowledge roll for. > Give me a 4d6 knowledge roll (Heraldry) to see if you can tell who is who
Rolled 5, 2, 3, 3 = 13 (4d6)You can make arrows and bolts if you have the proper wood for it.And if it is a winter siege or early spring siege, you wont have that much wood or are going to go through it very fast
>>3047889plus the wood that will be consumed in smithing arrowheads.
Rolled 6, 1, 4, 1 = 12 (4d6)>>3047884Rolling
>>3047889I don't think our preconceptions of seasons to this world's siege warfare apply to planetos or the North very much.If it's good wood, there's really no shortage of it around Winterfell come winter, summer, autumn or spring.
Rolled 2, 3, 2, 4 = 11 (4d6)>>3047884> There was two groups you remembered from the shitty video games by that company that went bankrupt Whitehills and Forresters Eh, why not.
Rolled 2, 3, 4, 2 = 11 (4d6)>>3047884>After the presentation, whenever you've entered the room, things tended to quiet down. For example at the breakfast you walk in to the bustle, everyone shuts up and stops what they're doing until you sit down to have some eggs and bacon at which point the murmuring starts again.What do they expect? That you're gonna shoot fireballs before having a bite to eat?Welp. We're going to need to do something about this sort of distrust / fear. It's counterproductive to our goals.>Lucan on the other hand has been very popular, not just with the castle staff, but also the visiting Lords as well. Apparently they've been asking him a lot of questions about you, what you're like, what exactly are your preferences, about your court, your lands and things like that along with naturally, about what the guns are like to wield.Well that's good. Hopefully that works out to our benefit.>"Every day cannons can deny the enemy Siege Engines is another day to wait for reinforcements."Quite true. Plus cannons can be taken on the offensive to assist in sieges, at least in the case of our light models.>Actual black powder small arms seem to have a fair bit of criticism on the end of "Well sure, they're good as long as the powder lasts, but after that they're just clubs." and "We can at least make the arrows and bolts in here if we run out." Eh, we just need to get a demonstration of them in actual combat. Hell we could have one of our sailors give an account of their experience with guns next time we're at one of these things.>although you reckon that if you pay all your debt and taxes in powder, they should have enough to use it even for for recreation.Plus, we know it is usable for mining and even demonstrated so.> There was two groups you remembered from the shitty video games by that company that went bankrupt Whitehills and Forresters My recollection of that game is terrible, mostly because I only ever saw clips of it. How powerful were these families?
>>3047951>My recollection of that game is terrible, mostly because I only ever saw clips of it. How powerful were these families?Moderately shite. Pretty minor houses overall, squabbling over a very specific territory which yielded some of the best wood in Westeros and for some reason it burns blue.Though it's not exactly determined how many men they had before Red Wedding, after it they had less than you do right now.Whitehills worshipped the Seven, had a better castle, but lost their Ironwood and were reduced to Vassals of Boltons at some point in the past.Forresters had a fortress made of the said Ironwood, but had some of the best carpenters around.In the game you played as the Forresters and no matter what choice you picked, everything would go to shit for the sake of drama because it was based on the show.The Series never reached it's conclusion because telltale games went bankrupt.
>>3047951>Welp. We're going to need to do something about this sort of distrust / fear. It's counterproductive to our goals.Certain degree of dread is good depending on the sort of business you conduct.
Alright, so since you failed that Heraldry check, the choices are going to be as follows:>[Brown noser] Join with the Stark hunting party>[Team Telltale] Join with the Forrester hunting party>[Team Same Religion] Join the Whitehill hunting party>[Team Friendzone] Join the Mormont hunting party>[Team Mystery box] I'll roll some dice and see who you get
>>3047983>Moderately shite. Pretty minor houses overall, squabbling over a very specific territory which yielded some of the best wood in Westeros and for some reason it burns blue.Sounds interesting. Might want to get a sample of that wood for magic / alchemist study.>Though it's not exactly determined how many men they had before Red Wedding, after it they had less than you do right now.Jesus that's a shit situation.>In the game you played as the Forresters and no matter what choice you picked, everything would go to shit for the sake of drama because it was based on the show.I'd expect no less.>The Series never reached it's conclusion because telltale games went bankrupt.Yeah, to be expected when your company just produces the same game over and over without any actual improvement.>>3047985True but people actively avoiding conversing with us ain't useful when we want to find interested parties to fund our work. Fact is we want people to fear crossing us but to not fear us if that makes sense.>>3047991Some interesting team names there OP. Friendzone?
>>3047991>>[Team Mystery box] I'll roll some dice and see who you getfuck it
>>3047991>[Team Mystery box] I'll roll some dice and see who you getooo boy I love a surprise
>>3047991>[Team Mystery box] I'll roll some dice and see who you getMight as well just help shift this along.
>>3047997>Team Friendzone The one mormont we spend the most time with in the TV show and books is Jorah (might be spelled differently or be a slightly different name). He got exiled for selling his subjects as slaves to pay for his expensive ass bitch of a wife and is now hanging out with the dragon queen. She has friendzoned the shit out of his pedo ass though. So that's where the team name is from.Considering where we are in the timeline, he should not have been exiled yet, but we should not prevent that, since he saves Dannies live and without him we can't predict shit about her.The old bear at the wall is another important mormont, not sure what he is doing at this point. And there is Mary Sue mormont, who hasn't been born yet.Better not mess to much with them, they have little to offer us and are very plot relevant, for both Danny and John. Even more than the Starks, in my maybe retarded opinion. Let's hang out with the ironwood people. Maybe it can be used for gun barrels or at least blue fireworks
>>3048034>Mormont stuffCool. To be honest I only remembered the Lord-commander Mormont and the little girl Mormont.>Let's hang out with the ironwood people. Maybe it can be used for gun barrels or at least blue fireworksI'd advise against trying to use it for gun barrels, chances are it'd just catch fire and burn from the heat of the gunpowder assuming it doesn't warp from the pressure. Honestly their resource is of little utility but much interest for it's novelty.
>>3047884>Lucan on the other hand has been very popular,Uh-oh, spagettios; I think the sharks in this tank have scented an inexperienced mackerel to get their teeth into.By which I mean; I think they can sense that Lucan is not very experienced in the ways of court, & are trying to get info out of him that we might not be so willing to part with. I strongly suggest we have a discrete in his shell-like A.S.A.P. to make sure he's not accidentally giving away any secrets we'd rather not have disclosed.Also:> There was two groups you remembered from the shitty video games by that company that went bankrupt Whitehills and ForrestersAre you talking about Telltale Games? How do we know they went bankrupt? Weren't we long dead by that point? Anyhoo; might as well hang out with the bimio james folks and see if the games count as cannon.
>>3047991>[Team Telltale] Join with the Forrester hunting party
>>3048039To be fair, does Lucian actually know anything particularly important? He's the commander of our Outriders, not involved in gun or powder production. The most he can really reveal is tactics and even then we've yet to drill them in anything more complicated than "horse-based drive-by".
Also, does anyone know how we grow our settlement so we can get another holding? I can't find it in the PDF I have.I mean I know OP could just reward us with it after a large enough effort but I'm curious if there is any in-built way to do it.
>>3047997>>3047985I'm fine with some dread of the unknown, Arthur is a Renaissance man with "p-probably not magic you gus come on" and a certain level of mystique due to his weird sense of fashions, mad ideas that work, and unknown symbols all over his legendary ship. The more good we do in the North, the more it feels like rather than being stuck as a semi-outsider like the mandelays are seen as, we're more of a merlin of the north. The "wizard" lord that seems to just know what to do when it's important, and whose brain just works differently from everyone else's. Not "one of us" but a man you give proper respect to. At least that's how I'm expecting it to go dropping a veteran engineer with a ton of modern day knowledge in the kingdom that's as rural and old fashioned as you can get in the not medieval times.
>>3047991>[Team Mystery box] I'll roll some dice and see who you getDamn you and my inability to not grab shiny things right in front of me
>>3048043Heh, horse-based drive-by.Pic related.
>>3048159>I'm fine with some dread of the unknown, Arthur is a Renaissance man with "p-probably not magic you gus come on" and a certain level of mystique due to his weird sense of fashions, mad ideas that work, and unknown symbols all over his legendary ship. The more good we do in the North, the more it feels like rather than being stuck as a semi-outsider like the mandelays are seen as, we're more of a merlin of the north. The "wizard" lord that seems to just know what to do when it's important, and whose brain just works differently from everyone else's. Not "one of us" but a man you give proper respect to.That is the sort of outcome I want. However as it stands they see us as a man who seemingly has more powerful magic than any other, someone who is a dangerous possible madman and a foreigner who follows few if any of their beliefs although I suppose we could resolve some of that with time. Fear is fine, distrust is not and most importantly of all we mustn't become ostracised. >At least that's how I'm expecting it to go dropping a veteran engineer with a ton of modern day knowledge in the kingdom that's as rural and old fashioned as you can get in the not medieval times.True but at this point we've spent all most as much time as a modern man as we have in Westeros and it's only going to get more extreme from here which means we should be well versed in not making waves unless we wan to.>>3048181Yeah, /k/ is always fun.
>>3048181Kek.Ride-by>>3047991>>[Team Mystery box] I'll roll some dice and see who you getLooking for that Bolton iron hookup.
>>3048189We have never been a madman. From our track record thus far we are basically some Übermensch Wunderkind with the power of "It just works." The reason they keep their distance is fear of power, not dislike. Besides, if they feared us so much they wouldnt perster Lucan as much. Its a case of schoolyard shyness.
>>3048216Eh, I suppose. I'd just prefer if they'd actually come and talk to us.
Also are we going to adopt the English method of officer selection? It could provide a source of money for us and doesn't really reduce the effectiveness of our army structure.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfFLfVbeDCgI doubt we'll really ever get big enough that we won't be directly overlooking unit commanders, so we'll always have a good eye on them but this will be useful as a political and economic move. As we could use it as a way to gain favour with other nobles, providing a place for them to send third sons to train and learn or for merchants to move up the social ladder.
Gotta go team: mystery box for sure.
>>3048216I still say they're trying to pump Lucan for info because they can smell the noob on him. We know he doesn't have any valuable secrets to give away, but *they* don't know that.
>>3048189To be fair it's more like Arthur is seen as an adventurer knight that follows his vows pretty nobly and has a lot of chivalry, if a bit of magical madman. We've built up a really good reputation before we even realized it, we might be seen as weird by the folks, and even intimidating by the peasantry, but we are seen in a relatively good light so that's something. As long as we keep building up, treating our folk fairly, and acting like a noble lord should when it's important and we should be fine.
>>3048693I suppose. So long as it doesn't get in the way of business they can think whatever they want of us. Also on the front of doing good acts, we should seriously consider an orphanage / poor house. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poorhouse Having a way to bring in destitute people from across the north who we can then use wherever needed is a useful thing especially if we can get them usefully employed in our lands, if nothing else we can use it as a recruiting grounds for our army.
Rolled 1 (1d4)
Welp, looks like you didn't get the guys who produces the best archers in the region. What a shame, that would have made for an interesting hunting party.
>House Cerwyn"Where are we going my Lord?""One moment"eeny-meeny-miny-moe"That one?""Who are they?""How the hell should I know?""Err... My Lord, are you sure this is wise?""Well we need somebody to point us to the Bears, might as well be these guys. HO THERE! Got any room for a rookies in this party?"You say as you ride towards the dudes with sigils depicting a Black Battle-axe on silver background.The Men look at each other visibly confused by your question before soft spoken a man rides out from the back."We would be honored to have you join us, but I believe we've yet to be introduced.""Quite right, I am Arthur Tallon, freshly minter Lord of the former Fullaxe castle by the Bite. Still working out what to change the name of that place to.""Pleased to meet you Lord Arthur. I am Medger Cerwyn, Head of House Cerwyn and Lord of Castle Cerwyn by the White Knife. I believe we've you to thank for diversion the other day.""Oh no, the pleasure was all mine. So, how about it? Mind showing me the ropes in this whole bear hunting business?""Ah, first time hunting for bears?""That's right. Not as many bears in Reach as up here and I was bit more of a Sailor than a hunter.""I would be honored to offer you my advice in the sport. Come, join us.">Joined a Cerwyn hunting partyOnce everyone had formed their parties, the hunting grounds were divvied up for the next few days. Everyone took a great many spears, bows and crossbows with them along with wagons of traps for the task. "We will be patrolling upriver for bears hungry for salmon and leave traps by the berry bushes."Lord Medger stated fairly early on.The Stark men had by far the largest band, you spotted what you presume to be Jorah Mormont to be part of this group along with some others, going for a well known trails.Forresters went to the hunt in the deep woods with some more unkempt looking group.The Whitehills on the other hand favored a hilly terrain with lighter foliage with a group you didn't recognize.>Give me a survival check to see how your hunting goes: 3d6
Rolled 2, 2, 4 = 8 (3d6)>>3049122
Rolled 1, 6, 5 = 12 (3d6)>>3049122
Rolled 6, 4, 1 = 11 (3d6)>>3049122
Rolled 2, 3, 4, 6, 2 = 17 (5d6)
Rolled 1, 1, 3 = 5 (3d6)>>3049122
Rolled 4, 5, 5 = 14 (3d6)>>3049122
Rolled 2, 5, 2 = 9 (3d6)>>3049122
So, assuming we (meaning either us personally, or our party in general) bag a bear, how is it decided who gets the skin? One can never have too many rugs in those draughty, old, castles.
>>3050267How each hunting party divvies the parts differs from group to group, but usually the one who makes the kill gets first pick on parts such as the pelt.As this is your first time hunting a bear, it's considered courteus to let you have the pelt, the claws and heart of the first bear you kill.All of which could be made to decent wedding gifts.
As you make your way by the riverside, you scan the are for wascaly wabbits. > Good enough > 12 > 15"Tracks. There was a bear here definitely.""Looks like a family to me."Lord Medger comes down from his horse and looks through the bushes and looks for the droppings and takes a whiff."Smells recent.""Think they're still around?""Could be. It is too early to tell. If should we find more tracks, we will find out whether or not they are living here or simply migrating. Either way, we should leave some traps for now just to be sure."As his men set up some traps, you ride upriver with Lord Medger."I must admit Lord Tallon, I am still rather confused why you sought my company specifically.""Well, to point out where the bears are of course.""There are far greater hunters than I in the North than I. Farlen, the Kennelmaster of the Starks for example is one of the greatest trackers in the region.""Is that so? I was completely unaware of the fact. Then again, I am quite new here."His expression remains unshifted by your remark."There's also the Mormonts. Their Island is named Bear Island, I expect his entourage knows a thing or two about bears. Did Lord Jorah won the tourney at Lannisport and wed a Hightower girl? What was her name again?""Lynesse Hightower if memory serves and yes, I heard. Not many men can go toe-to-toe against Ser Jaime Lannister.""I don't seem to recall seeing you at the Tourney Lord Tallon. You are a Knight too I hear.""I am, but I didn't really see the point. I've proved my worth in War as it was and none of my weapons were tournament legal.""I hear some say you ran away because you were afraid that the Mountain would kill you if you jousted him.""Oh, I am certain he would, but he backed down and ran away during the War with his ship when I challenged him for his loot and prisoners. It would seem neither of us are suicidal enough to face the other on their terms. If I am craven, so too is the Mountain.""The Patient hunter gets the prey. Although I must profess, I am unaware of the source of animosity between you two.""Well, if I had accepted meekly what he was doing, it would have tarnished my honor. I could not however interfere with the military objectives of the King, so when the Mountain came back with his men with captives, in my frustration simply 'mistook' thr captives the mountain took as slaves and apprehended him.""So it was a matter of honor then?""More or less. A Decent man should find his conduct and methods disgusting. Lord Stark must have agreed to certain extent."One of the Cerwyn men came forth."My Lords, we've set the traps and found some more tracks. It would seem the bears do frequent this area."
Hunting: > [Leave horses and venture forth] "Since there's tracks, maybe we could find a way to their nest? Bears make nests, right?" > [Camp like a bitch.] "The Animals come here for food and water. We should set up traps and lay low." > [Split up] "We've got the men. We could cover more ground if we had one group hunt the bears actively and one wait by the river." > [Something Else] Write-inInteraction with Lord Cerwyn: > [Try to Inquire on his thoughts about Black Powder] > [Try to Inquire on how the Northmen feel about you in general] > [Try to Inquire about his House and what do they do] > [Something else] Write-in
>>3050463> [Leave horses and venture forth] "Since there's tracks, maybe we could find a way to their nest? Bears make nests, right?"Sally forth!Also:> [Try to Inquire on how the Northmen feel about you in general]if we can, ask these too:> [Try to Inquire on his thoughts about Black Powder]> [Try to Inquire about his House and what do they do]
>>3050467Seems like a good plan.
>>3050467Sounds good to me.
>>3050463> [Camp like a bitch.] "The Animals come here for food and water. We should set up traps and lay low."No sense in taking unnecessary risks. I'd rather not have to start all over again because we got eaten by bears.> [Try to Inquire on how the Northmen feel about you in general]> [Try to Inquire about his House and what do they do]As a minor noble his thoughts on black powder aren't really relevant; if the power players take to it, then the minnows such as what's-his-chops here will have to follow out of necessity. However; he could make a useful barometer of our standing among the other lordlings of the north.Asking about his house is courtesy. Don't really care.
>>3050544House Cerwyn isn't a minor house, they are a banner house of the Starks and fairly powerful according to the Wiki.https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_CerwynThe fact they are more or less unfeatured in detail means it's up to OP to interpret just how powerful.
>>3050549This is correct, they're not a minor house in the North, but one of the principal and most long-time bannermen of the Starks.They don't hold a candle to Flints, Karstarks, Boltons or Manderlys however, but they do hold the source of White Knife which has over generations given them a fair bit of wealth.The Reason you don't know them is because they were barely ever mentioned in the story and you never actually studied Heraldry of the North to such capacity to know more than the biggest houses.
>>3050618Exactly.Also a question OP, how much powder did we use to blow apart that boulder? I want to get an idea of how much that cost us to do and therefore how much we could charge for it as a service.
>>3050463>> [Leave horses and venture forth] "Since there's tracks, maybe we could find a way to their nest? Bears make nests, right?"> [Try to Inquire on how the Northmen feel about you in general]
>>3050646You went a bit overkill on it and strapped like 8-10 pounds worth of blackpowder charges on holes you bored into it and then linked those charges up with the fuses.With experience you could use a lot less though to achieve the same result, but because of your high roll, I made you go for showmanship.The whole thing ended up cracking from multiple places and leaving for the man sized boulder for the most part a pile of rubble.
>>3050739Good to know. Now we just need to get a few orphans to train and we'll have an entirely expendable demolitions / explosive handling team.
>>3050549>>3050618Okay, I take back the part I said about them being a minor house, but they still aren't exactly the kind of major power who's opinion on black powder could make or brake our success.
>>3050956You aren't wrong but their position makes them ideal: they aren't a house with an established speciality to ensure their supremacy; we have a weapon that, if used properly, would make their armies far stronger.There's also the fact that their river has rapids mid-way through it, before one would reach Winterfell preventing river travel along it's full length. If we were to provide our assistance, we could almost certainly provide them with a solution which would enable travel along the whole course of the river, making ownership of their section of it a far more profitable venture.There is also the fact they are loyal and close to the Starks, if they vouch for us then the Starks will most likely listen. Although to be fair I'd currently suggest we rely on economic rather than military investment in regards to gunpowder. If we can train 5 men to use powder to blast apart rock, stump and so on, then we can sell their services off to other lords or to merchants to clear land and blast open veins of minerals.
>>3050981Actually, with some 50 tons annually, we could start looking at small-scale canal making. Stick on some sluice locks and you could connect to neighbouring rivers
>>3051005That too. Although I think we'd want to approach Stark directly with stuff like that, given we'd need to have the ability to override various landholder's who might get in the way.I'm well acquainted with the British canal / rail history and lord knows motherfucking landowners cause more problems than the actual projects do because they always ask it doesn't cut through their land and add another mile to the route. Best thing we can do is go over their heads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soNATBAg8AwAlso here's a video of a Brown Bess musket being disassembled because it's a fairly entertaining watch and quite appropriate for this thread. Also sweet jesus how many bits of brass does this thing have.
>>3050981Oh, fair enough, then; I stand corrected.Let's chat them up about black powder.
>>3050981Oh, yeah; this reminds me:Since difficulty in travel has been mentioned; are we going to be building any roads? Could we get enough pitch to take a crack at a proper, tarmacadam, roadway? It would save a hell of a lot of fuss & bother humping cartloads of stuff up & down the muddy tracks of not! medieval Europe.
>>3051413Creating modern road surfacing would require industrial processes to produce enough for it to really matter. We'd probably lack the space and money to start doing that any time soon.Far better we focus on other matters. Fact is the powder might take a bit longer but so long as it gets where it is needed it'll be fine for the most part.
>>3051448Romans knew how to make their own concrete. So making good roads isn't out of the question.
>>3051468You don't need concrete or tarmac for good roads. Roman roads were made out of a series of layers(from bottom to top: rocks and sand, gravel / pebbles and then paving stones), placed into a channel in the earth with drainage achieved by having the surface of the road arc very slightly towards the middle while the sides had stone slabs to prevent layers shifting. Problem is that unlike the Romans, we lack access to an excessively large army supported by slaves to employ in the construction and maintenance of public works.
>>3051488What about once we have labour-saving machines such as a mobile traction engine?
>>3051779To be fair, once we have things like those, we'd be better off skipping roads entirely and focusing on rail infrastructure. The money is in it, the social benefit is in it and the prestige is in it.Although, yes, we could do it. Though we could equally well apply any saved labour to more useful affairs like strengthening our army or expanding our industry.
Rolled 6, 5, 4, 5, 3 = 23 (5d6)Give me an awareness roll. That's 3d6
Rolled 4, 5, 5 = 14 (3d6)>>3052147Hey OP, nice to see ya. Guess what I've spent the last few hours doing.
>>3052150Making sure all your daughters are nice and fat in CK2 so that instead of investing in hospitals, you can just lock yourself up in your castle when the plague comes and feast on your offspring?
>>3052165Nope, I've spent the last few hours diving into a seemingly infinite hole of free films on youtube: Asterix and Obelix; anime films I don't know the origin of; enough indian and chinese films to run a cinema for a decade and lord knows what else.I've gotten everything from Indian culture education films to disney classics. From the film Zulu to a full length Discworld film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHCPot1j0ugFor example, this. Also incoming at 4:40, Jesus I think I own this on tape somewhere. I'm pretty sure the police would skin me for that.
Rolled 6, 2, 4 = 12 (3d6)>>3052147
Rolled 2, 5, 5 = 12 (3d6)>>3052147okay,Autist. here i roll
Rolled 5, 5, 6 = 16 (3d6)>>3052147
>>3051860Can't have large-sale industry without an efficient transport network.But, yes; I see what you're saying; there are other areas we need to be concentrating our recourses (for now, at least).
>>3052585>Can't have large-sale industry without an efficient transport network.True but we currently have a fairly sufficient network, at least for what we expect to have to ship in and out. As we grow this might change but in that case we can deal with it as the need arises.Plus, if we end up shipping any significant amount by sea then we avoid the entire infrastructure issue, ignoring our lack of proper large scale cargo handling facilities.
> [Leave horses and venture forth] "Since there's tracks, maybe we could find a way to their nest? Bears make nests, right?" > [Try to Inquire on how the Northmen feel about you in general] > [Try to Inquire on his thoughts about Black Powder]> [Try to Inquire about his House and what do they do] [1/3]"Lord Medger, say how would you feel about us following the tracks? I mean, bears make nests, right? We could leave some of our men here behind to patrol the riverside for the buggers. Chances are one of us is going to run into the critters, right?"He strokes his beard and nods"While that does sound like the fastest way of locating our quarry, it's also the most dangerous. If the animal spots us before we spot it... Do you think your guns would scare bears as well as horses?"You shrug"Depends on the breed of bear I guess and whether it's got cubs. If it's a she-bear defending her cubs, I reckon it'd still try charge us even if we had the Black Dread with us.""Do they give links on Bear-lore in the citadel as well?""Hah! Oh, I wish they did. So, what do you say? Shall we stay or shall we go?"He thinks a moment before nodding"Very well. We shall follow the tracks, but keep your eyes peeled."Each of you brought five men along with you to follow the tracks of the bear, hoping to find it's nest whilst leaving the others to stalk the riverside for ones coming for lunch."So, what does your family do for a living?"You say as you creeped carefully, looking for any bear mounds and droppings on the terrain as well as for marks in the trees left by it."You approached my group without knowing who my family was or what they do?""Well, yes? I mean, none of the Lords seemed interested in talking with me, so I had to take the initiative.""Ah. I believe that is because they're unsure what to make of you. You come from far south, a famed knight for sure with many and strange tales about you. As to what my house does, we facilitate the trade between White Knife and Wolfswood. Now, since I've told you what my house does, why not tell me what sort of business you are in?""Oh me?"You tap your gun with your hand."I plan to be selling these, as well as the powder. Mostly the powder for now. It is actually quite expensive to get that sort of industry rolling, which is why I came here for a loan.""A Loan Lord Stark agreed to provide.""Aye, but truth be told the Royal Fleet wanted a steady supply to it, so as a loyal friend to the king I reckoned he'd be willing to provide. Plus, it's not like it hurts having better weapons.""And you wonder why the other Lords are uncertain about you?""I mean, I do offer a good product which should be useful for anyone who does mining or quarrying. I was imagining someone would take the bait by now.""Pardon me, but what you showed Lord Tallon, was that neither Castles walls, shields of oak, suits of steel or the charge of cavalry are an obstacle to you and your men."
[2/3]"So how do you reckon the Northerners feel about me and my products then?""Well, there's a severe distrust for Pyromancers after the war. Some more set in their ways consider this is either Sorcery or just another disgraceful form of war, same as Wildfire.""I don't think it's something that should be put in the same category with Wildfire. Nowhere near indiscriminate and unstable enough.""...and many do recognize that. However, many say that magic is a sword without a hilt, no safe way to grasp it.""Yes, well that would be a problem wouldn't it? That is if I was using magic. All I am doing is merely exploiting the natural principles few bother studying, let alone applying to create something useful.""So I too could learn to cast balls of fire to the sky?""Oh yes, if you want to commission a firework launcher, I can get you as many as you're willing to pay for once my operation gets running. After all, why pay for fire with blood when you can pay for it with money? Like how every other store works?""The Reach must be a strange land to have achieved such learning.""Well, truth is they really haven't. Nobody save me should know the artifice of my powder or guns. My achievements are, I assure you, entirely my own Lord Medger.""Speaking of achievements, I believe this would be good chance to clear some of these rumors about you, hear from your own mouth what's true and what is not.""Alright then, shoot. You tell me a tale and I tell you whether it's true or not.""Firstly, the Harrenhal tourney, there's some who claim you fought with a suit of plate you forged in Harren the Black's forgotten fires, bearing a shield in style of Knights of Old Andalos and as a child you reached the finals of that fateful tourney against men grown.""Do you consider a 13 year old still a child?""I would not consider a 13 year old a man just yet.""Then, yes. I suppose that's technically correct."He lifts his eyebrow"Even the forging a suit of plate part?""Well, I took a few shortcuts, but it was technically plate armor.""After reaching the finals, some say you were approached by the member of the Kingsguard to scout you to their older, not unlike Jaime Lannister.""Now that's a fabrication. I did talk with Ser Whent, but there was nothing relating to employment ever though.""Huh, I actually was guessing that part was true.""Nope. What else have you got?""Now, this one I'm guessing is a fabrication.""Come on let's have it.""The Story about how you turned a handful of silvers into thousands of Gold Dragons by guessing every single joust correctly in that tourney?""Well, that's almost true. I didn't bet on every single joust, but yes, I went all in on every single bet I made during that tourney and won every single bet I made, leaving me with, what was it again? 1500 something gold with 5000 stags or something?"
[3/3]"Even for an exaggerated story, that's quite an impressive gamble nevertheless. How about the one where you're an unchained Maester?""Technically I am an acolyte still, but..."You pull out your chain from your coat's inner pocket"This does gives me the right to take the Maester's oaths any day I want.""Isn't it mandatory for you to do so?""I mean, you'd think so right? But apparently I was the first one who actually bothered to read the rules. You've no idea how much they moaned and complained when I showed them the actual up to date written rules.""Then how about the one about you making the way from Oldtown to Lannisport faster than a Longship?""Well, that one is true.""How about your travels to Essos?""Well, I don't know what the specifics on those are, but yes, I joined a merchant guild and did tour the for a year with a Qarthese merchant. Sunk some pirates, but I didn't really encounter anything too exciting in there.""...and then you came back home for the war and impressed the prince with wondrous gifts. The Thunder sticks they mentioned you've already proven to be true, but what of the needle that always knows the North?""OH! The Compasses. Right, I did give a few of those to Prince Stannis. Reckoned they'd be useful in the Seas. I do have one with me just in case we get lost, but-""Stop."He goes to a tree that's had it's bark torn."I reckon it's a Black Bear based on these markings, we are in it's territory. This tree has been marked recently. Everyone move stealthily.">14>20>Pretty damn good success."Shhh... You hear that?""Movement somewhere."You scan the treeline and cock your weapon. Medger puts a finger to his mouth and points up into the trees.Lazing inside a hole in a tree, you see a Black bear.You whisper the men to get ready and...>Climb the tree and challenge the bear to a fistfight>Borrow a bow and shoot it the traditional way.>Take the shot with your rifle.>Set up the Swivel gun and make sure the thing is super dead.>Sneak under the tree and strap a Blackpowder charge to bring the whole thing crashing to the ground.