ASOIAF Reincarnation: Male Powder Fantasy - Thread 18Character Sheet: https://pastebin.com/RsQUNkkxFuture Updates and Shitposts: https://discord.gg/H4z8wcyArchive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=powder+fantasy Feudal Assets: https://pastebin.com/AGjdBv9w11th month of 289 ACPersonal funds - 3238 Gold DragonsArmament - Pair of Flintlock Pistols, Imperial SabreProtection - Hunting outfitTime until Powder Mill is Complete: 4,5 MonthsOn the last thread you arranged a banquet and a small ceremony to return the bodies of the late Fullaxe courtiers to their families during which you learned two things. First being that being a Lord in a foreign land clearly doesn't earn you many friends and secondly that House Windworn has a severe problem with lawlessness in their lands which might or might not be connected to the same band which murdered the previous council. Sadly, shortly after learning this tidbit, your guests all excused themselves and set for home.You also commissioned the first projects in order to turn your domain productive. The Formation of a Cavalry unit drawn from the local prominent families trained and equipped with Black Powder weaponry as well as the construction of tide powered mills designed for the purpose of producing Black Powder from imported materials until your domain achieves complete self sufficiency in the production of the substance.You also began to work on secret designs to develop Steam technology with the goal of human flight, an ambitious goal for sure and if successful the tale is sure to spread to every corner of the world. No man alive could deny your accomplishments and value or ignore the girth of your skill.
Gunshot echoed across the boggy terrain in the morning sun, causing a flock of ducks take flight in the distance. Duck however was not your quarry this day. "Well shot my Lord."The Mayor's son Lucan commented as his hunting dog rushed to fetch the pheasant you just shot with your rifle. "You know, some of the hunters seem consider it cheating to use a rifle to hunt down these pests. I say that they're the ones who breached the rules of warfare first by bothering my sleep."He chuckles as he and the rest of the freshly formed band of outriders ride behind you."Does our honored Lord expect wildlife to charge at him with Lances on an open field?"You begin reloading your rifle with a look of annoyance only an insomniac could possess."Your honored Lord expects the Wildlife to not start shit with him if they don't want to get put into his stew and turned to dinner."another outrider speaks out, one whose name you haven't yet memorized"Perhaps it be better we change the subject that is less vexing to you my Lord?""Perhaps" You mutter out as you ram the ball down the barrel."Is the first mill still not done? I cannot stress how imperative it is for my work to continue?""You have asked me that every day this week Lord Tallon. I assure you when my father has word from the Laborers, you will be told immediately."Lucan answers to you."Can you blame me? So long as I am denied a mill, I cannot move forward with my great work."He shrugs as he rides behind you"Sadly with most of the Fullaxe domains having been split apart, so too went most of the mills that weren't ox-driven. You can believe me my Lord when I say that our workers are just as eager to see the mills up and running as you. The Years between the Wars weren't kind for us and many unable to make ends meet left and sought new lords to serve.""Milord! Milord!"A Messenger was running to catch your entourage."Ah, good old [Nameless Peon #4] what is it?""A Courier ship milord! Your Council requests your presence! Seals from Winterfell, Capital and from your family!""Ah well, I suppose I can't exactly ignore such letters."You reach to your coinpurse and hand a few coppers to the man as a tip for his troubles."You lot can keep hunting if you like, I'm needed at the castle.""We are your escort my Lord, we shall resume the hunt once you're back safely in the Castle.""Suit yourself then."
The Matter of selecting a council was not a decision you made lightly. After all, you would need to delegate a fair bit of your work to these people should you wish to pursue your own personal goals in the field of external combustion mechanics.>What sort of Council did you choose?>You hired the sons of Northern Lords and Nobility which put their names forward, people familiar with the local customs, though their education leaves something to be desired.>You called to your family for a favor, requesting your mother to seek for competent Noble sons of the Reach to join your court. Better educated for sure, but rather unaware of the local customs.>You struck a deal with the Conclave. Council of scholars not dissimilar to the one possessed by Tywin Lannister himself in exchange for the learning on how to making and working the Type Metal. Each member of your council would certainly be a specialist on their fields.
>>2987668>>You struck a deal with the Conclave. Council of scholars not dissimilar to the one possessed by Tywin Lannister himself in exchange for the learning on how to making and working the Type Metal. Each member of your council would certainly be a specialist on their fields.
>>2987668>>You struck a deal with the Conclave. Council of scholars not dissimilar to the one possessed by Tywin Lannister himself in exchange for the learning on how to making and working the Type Metal. Each member of your council would certainly be a specialist on their fields.With our outsider Maester being the one to keep an eye on the others with access everywhere. Not to boss, but to observe so if the Conclave is up to something they would have a harder time of it.
>>2987668>You struck a deal with the Conclave. Council of scholars not dissimilar to the one possessed by Tywin Lannister himself in exchange for the learning on how to making and working the Type Metal. Each member of your council would certainly be a specialist on their fields.
>>2987668>You struck a deal with the Conclave. Council of scholars not dissimilar to the one possessed by Tywin Lannister himself in exchange for the learning on how to making and working the Type Metal. Each member of your council would certainly be a specialist on their fields.Good to see you again.
>Conclave[1/3]After interviewing applicants for the job and finding them wanting, you decided to take a bit more extreme measures to to fill out your council. Maester Tobias was naturally not happy of the idea of making a deal with the Conclave and inviting Citadel politics into your domain, but you did manage to convince him that it was for the best. He saw that the land and it's people were suffering and resulting to half measures to mend those wounds for selfish grudges would be doing a disservice to the realm.A Deal was struck remarkably quickly. Perhaps because they wanted someone to keep an eye on you, perhaps because learning to make a new type of metal is not something that happens every day, perhaps it was simply for monetary reasons. They possessed the Largest collection of books in Westeros and therefore giving them the means of copying them cheaply should guarantee great wealth to their organization.Nevertheless, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement. >+ Gained Magistrate Personage Holding (Resource Loss Mitigation: Law +1. Any Law lost due to a lost battle also reduced by 1.)>+ Gained Steward (Seneschal) Personage Holding: (House fortunes +1), (Head of the House is assumed to have Stewardship specialty of 3B)>+ Gained Barrister Personage Holding (So long as Law is not on negative, +2 to House Fortunes) (+1D to Intrigue tests involving law to members of the house when helping to represent them in court or before authorities.)>+ Gained Scholar Personage Holding (House Fortunes +1) (Can give +2 to knowledge tests when consulted)>Total Fief Score increased from 172 to 207!>You are now a Minor Lord instead of a Petty Lord! There was always the danger that they might be spy on you and report to the Conclave, but hopefully putting Ser Bodrin and Ser Dan on the job of monitoring the communications of the Maesters and having Tobias in charge of the Ravens should hinder their attempts to send confidential information the Citadel. Naturally there was no guarantee, but only relatively few riders and ships stop by your shores. Enough for few guards could watch out for.Luckily distance was playing in your favor with this as it's no small undertaking to send a message from Oldtown to a minor holding in the Bite or vice versa without being noticed by someone.
[2/2]Though the land and it's people weren't particularly welcoming to you, it's been getting a little better. From what Lucas tells you, any change to them at this point would be seen as good change. "They're not going to look a gift horse in the mouth."Of course, not being picky where the money comes from was a bit of a problem when it comes to the matters of law."See to my horse, I'll head on inside."The Council's chamber was dark. Unlike back in the Reach where the heat was enough to keep the place perfectly dry without fire, this wasn't the case in here. It was also far more utilitarian than the keep at Knight's Rest, which means only windows were arrow slits and almost all source of light came from candles and lanterns. It was an abode desperately screaming for electric or gas lighting and central heating. Your Steward had ordered for more tapestries and carpets to replace the stolen ones and help insulate the Castle better, but even with them you still preferred your old Captain's Quarters and if you could, you'd have held your court aboard the ship."Alright lads, let's see them letters shall we?"The Citadel had sent you four men to help fill your council. Maester Derron was a learned man who assumed the position of a Magistrate, a learned and experienced man specializing in the matters of low justice and law, and being greatly helpful in assisting Mayor Tarner in matters of civil disputes.Maester Preston was your Barrister, a lawman specializing in the matters of high justice, diplomacy and arguing before lords and courts in many a house's behalf, helping to present a just court to the common people. Maester Manrel took the seat of your Steward and Seneschal, handling your bookkeeping, handling the tax collection as well as running the finances of the house. Finally there was Maester Stuar, a Maester in the traditional sense of the word, a man quite obviously sent to replace Maester Tobias as your Healer and Postman, of course you saw no reason to do such a thing so you named him a court Consultant.You sort of had to explain what a Consultant exactly is, but considering the amount of illiterate people in this land, having a guy whose job is to give educated opinions is surprisingly useful.There was also Maester Tobias on the table, the one who held the position of Court Maester.
[3/3]You broke the seals on the letters and began to read them one by one. "Firstly, let's see what news from the Capital."As the Waxen stag crumbles, you open the scroll, your eyes scanning the text."From Dragonstone."You pass the letter along the table after quickly glancing through it."It seems that Prince Stannis is inquiring for a ballpark figure for when the Powder production will get going.""Reply to him that the powder mills should be completed in four to five months, should the gods will it or somewhere along those lines."Maester Manrel speaks out"My Lord, certainly if I may, since the Prince himself is interested in black powder, wouldn't this be a great chance to use that letter in order to get loans and outside investments on expanding that industry? Crown interest is practically a guarantee for a low-interest loan.""Perhaps.You crack the wolf seal and scan through the letter from Winterfell."Hrrmh. Not exactly great news this one."You say as you pass the letter to your council."They want us raise a unit armed with Black Powder weaponry and send them to Winterfell for a month so Lord Stark can evaluate their use himself.""Interest from Winterfell as well, should work well towards securing investments.""True, but we're not exactly overstaffed in guns at the moment. At the moment it's just the Sailors on Long Night, the Outriders as well as our Garrison. Sending any one of away isn't exactly great for our security."Maester Preston decides to voice his opinion next."I believe that it shouldn't be an issue overmuch, we can still raise peasant levies and it would not reflect well on the other lords to ignore a plea for help whilst our men are out doing our Liege's bidding."You mull that over as you begin opening the next letter from your family."Huh. Apparently it's a wedding invitation. How about that? It seems that my sister is getting married in six months to Ser Grandon Ashford.">Roll 4d6 (+4 thanks to the two scholars) Knowledge check to see if you actually know dick about the Ashfords
Rolled 3, 4, 6, 3 = 16 (4d6)>>2988065
Rolled 1, 6, 3, 1 + 4 = 15 (4d6 + 4)>>2988065>>Roll 4d6 (+4 thanks to the two scholars) Knowledge check to see if you actually know dick about the Ashfords
Rolled 4, 6, 2, 6 + 4 = 22 (4d6 + 4)>>2988065
>>2988090Seems we do a bit.
> 22 breddy gud"Ashfords... Ashford? That's where the battle took place where Robert got defeated. An indirect alliance between the Horn Hill and Ashford it would seem. "They're not very far from Horn hill and they're next to a river. The Area was known for its Orchards, so they're probably makers of Cider as well and as you remember it, they're likely using water mills as well to produce textiles.Not a Major house, but not a minor one either. I seem to recall Ser Grandon wasn't the heir. At first glance it doesn't seem a bad match. You don't think Ashfords are an especially a poor house even if they were ravaged by War."Their House words were... 'Our Sun Shines Bright' or something?""Correct"Maester Stuar replies, fiddling with his chain."Ashfords are an Old and Prestigious house predating Aegon's conquest known for producing apple products, linens, as well as breeding the common Andal Charger warhorses."Come to think of it, weren't Ashfords also the ones who held the Tourney in the Dunk and Egg prequels? For all their prestige, they don't seem super remarkable. You haven't really heard any noteworthy scandals or rumors about them, not that you really paid any attention to such things."Right. We'll consider the matter of the wedding last.""First things first!"You clap your hands and point the aged man with plenty of gold links hanging from his neck."You, the steward guy, err.... Preston was it? You said something about using the letters to gain low interest loans, right?"He nods"Yes my Lord, I believe if you would show up with these letters, it would stand as a proof that your venture is indeed profitable. After that it's only a matter of convincing you are trustworthy and you are not a man ill repute.""Yes, we could always do with a bit more gold to start new projects to be a bit more self sufficient in terms of the raw materials, but loans must be repaid eventually.""Loans must be repaid, true. However if you would take in a partner to your venture, we could stand to profit with much less of an investment of our own."Hmmm....Should you put this on your to-do list? > [No loans or investors]: "We don't need the money that desperately." > [Look for a loan]: "I don't want partners on powder production, but I want the industry up and running as soon as possible, even if it means I must pay interest." > [Look for an investor]: "Perhaps I can find someone trustworthy to throw money at my project, even if it means giving them access to the operation."
>Write in is also an option
> [Look for an investor]: "Perhaps I can find someone trustworthy to throw money at my project, even if it means giving them access to the operation.">blackpowder investorWould it be possible to try and make the Crown our investor? Not through Robert, but through Prince Stannis, the Master of Ships - he's already "invested" into us, we're basically marked as Stannis' men, and he is the one who best understands the use of our assets. I assume Stannis gets funding for the Crown Fleet from the Small Council, and given the role the Fleet played in defeating the upstarts, I can't see them being very impoverished at this point in time either in gold or prestige. >steampower investorAnother investor I would like to grab is the Citadel. We're not a complete alien to them, and they have some interest toward us - not hostile one, though they might be a little wary. We could show that we're still very much a bookish man, and inclined to continue our... mutually profitable relationship with the Citadel, given enough enticement. The Citadel as an organisation is fairly wealthy, what with everything reverting to Citadel property when a Maester dies.
>>2988289> [Look for a loan]: "I don't want partners on powder production, but I want the industry up and running as soon as possible, even if it means I must pay interest."If Gunpowder/gun sales take off, we should not have a problem paying back the loans. Moreover, if we take loans from Mannis and Ned, we can pay them back in powder/guns. In essence, it turns into a pre-order.>>2988310While allowing Mannis part of the party seems doable (as long as that means him getting part of the product, not the secrets), involving the Citadel in steam machinery is a great big no no. They are literally the only ones that could reasonably get it working and you want to trade away our trump card? Never. About the worst decision we could make. Selling them engines later? Sure. Involving them in the R&D and building process? Fastest way to lose our edge to a faction far bigger and better equipped to drown us out. Hard no.
>>2988327The thing is, making steam powered machinery is going to take time and trained people and production facilities. The Citadel doesn't need a monopoly on everything, as long as they have a reliable source of things they want. If possible, they'll simply buy things off us.Can they figure out steam powered mechanisms? Maybe. Will they bother to set up production facilities for it? I personally doubt it, not when there's already a producer for it. They'll just write down schematics and stuff it in their library. There simply isn't the kind of will and focus and interest for them to start their own steam machine workshop.Shelving Citadel as a sponsor for steam, who might be a good investor? Someone with lots of money but disinterest in the inner workings of the thing we're doing, as long as it profits.
>>2988343Loan* I guess is better than Investor for steam
>>2988343You have the Citadel the wrong way round. They are literally the dudes who will figure out how it works, spread it among their inner circles and make a shitload of cash off of it. As QM wrote them doing with the presses. For Money. Do you think they would opt out of the frankly massive gains brought on by steam? ESPECIALLY if we go into human flight further on? Best case, we have competition. Worst case they try to kill us and remove us from the market completely. Just a horrible outcome. Reverse-engineering the things will take them long-enough for it to not matter to us. Involving them in the process will hamper us greatly in the long run. We can sell to the Citadel but they are our biggest risk factor when it comes to tech. Also why we have multiple people guarding our 4 new Maesters. If the citadel didnt give a shit, why would we bother hiding anything from them? Face it, they are people just like any other. Greedy and ambitious. Just with a chain and robes.
>>2988289>> [Look for a loan]: "I don't want partners on powder production, but I want the industry up and running as soon as possible, even if it means I must pay interest."
>>2988289> [Look for a loan]: "I don't want partners on powder production, but I want the industry up and running as soon as possible, even if it means I must pay interest."
>>2988355>>2988310Given the arguments, I'd like to switch from investor to Loan with an emphasis on Mannis
Realized that I might have goofed up with the timeline during the Greyjoy Rebellion. Petyr Baelish isn't Master of Coin yet.
>>2991759Oh well, I'm not gonna retcon it since it was my mistake. After all, there's really no data about who was Master of Coin between Petyr Baelish and Qarlton Chelsted anyhow.
>LoansNow there's an idea, getting people partnered with your arms industry... No. Even though"I don't want partners on the powder production, but time is money, so I do want the industry up and running as soon as possible, even if it means I must return the full sum with interest later."Maester Preston nods"Very good my Lord. Did you have anyone specific in mind or would you like me to list you potential moneylenders?""Well, I was thinking of Lord Stark and Prince Stannis since they're the ones primarily interested in the stuff, but let's hear what you have in mind.""I fear if you'd ask from Prince Stannis, you'd need be prepared to be directed to the realm's Master of Coin, Lord Petyr Baelish, which shouldn't be a problem as a case can be made that the Royal Fleet does has a vested interest in procuring the powder.""So what you're saying is that it'll be a trip to the Capital.""Correct. But there are other options as well if you'd hear them." You wave with your hand, signaling him to continue."As you mentioned, there's also Winterfell. Securing a loan from Starks is an entirely likely affair, but it certainly would hinge on what sort of impression the men Lord Stark requested leave on him."Maester Preston pulls out a scroll from a leather tube from his belt which contains a rough map of Westeros and the Western fringe of Essos."The Very nearest possible man who could offer you a loan is Lord Manderly. Word is that is one of the wealthiest Lords in the North and a Knight of Southern descent like yourself.""To the East there's the Iron Bank of Braavos, though I loathe to suggest borrowing money from foreigners, they are still closer than King's Landing and as many Lords do make use of them, they cannot be ignored.""Seeking a loan from the Faith is also a possibility, though they don't make a habit of granting gold to just anybody, so you'd need to convince them somehow.""Further south there's the Myrish, Lyseni and Tyroshi trading Cartels.""Not too sure on how much the latter ones like me. I did sink some pirates when escorting a Qarthese Trade fleet through Stepstones to Braavos, so that might have infringed on their territory a little bit."Maester Preston mulls it over."I must admit I am not well versed in the ways of the East, so I cannot answer that. But I doubt they merchant cities would let some dead cutthroats stand in the way of profit.""I suppose they wouldn't.""You might also seek a loan from the other High Lords, if you think you can convince them. Lannisters obviously are the wealthiest family in Westeros, but considering your disagreements with Ser Gregor...""I hear you, not exactly the most reliable choice.">Seek for a loan from the Crown>Seek for a loan from the Winterfell>Seek for a loan from the Iron Bank of Braavos>Seek for a loan from the White Harbor>Seek for a loan from the Faith>Seek for a loan from the Cartels>On second thought, maybe not>Write-in.
Applying for a loan is one of those things that requires you to send a character to that location to handle the transaction. They will end up rolling the relevant stats in order to determine whether or not they're succesful in the endeavor.You can always choose to go yourself as well to help increase the chances of success.
>>2991790>Seek for a loan from the Crown>Seek for a loan from the Winterfell>Seek for a loan from the White HarborWith WH being after we have secured dough from the first two and depending on whether we need it. Since we would probably be repaying that in guns/powder as well we might want to make sure we want Manderly to have them. Then again, more customers.
>>2991790>Seek for a loan from the Crownif it doesn't work out then>Seek for a loan from the Winterfell
also would recommend going ourselves whatever our decision.
>>2991790>>Seek for a loan from the Crown>>Seek for a loan from the WinterfellPrioritise Stannis' funding, and then Stark. This is a very important venture, so we should go there ourselves.
We can take our outriders and some muskets, go to Stark for the month to demo and hash out a deal. Then take the ship+marines to KL to deal with the Crown. Take our best diplomat with us.
>>2991790>Seek for a loan from the WinterfellMore likely to not fuck us
>>2991790>Seek for a loan from the Crown>Seek for a loan from the Winterfell
>>2991790Seek a loan from the crown and winter fell
>Crown and Winterfell"Right. I think we ought to seek additional funds from the Crown and Winterfell and see how that turns out. I need to deliver the ship to Prince Stannis eventually and might as well broach the subject whilst the Starks inspect the weaponry.""Will you be going personally my lord?"Maester Manrel, your steward inquires"I'm thinking about it, but I'd hear what are my options here."The Magistrate Maester Derron decides to speak out"Whilst all of us in the Council do serve at your pleasure my Lord, I'd advise against dispatching us unless it is absolutely crucial. Common practice is that Lords would dispatch their trusted knights to do such work. Since you have two knights at your disposal, why not use them? Lowborn as they might be, they are still anointed knights.""There is also Lucan, the Captain of your Outriders. Though not a knight himself, Northmen do give similar prestige to their heavy cavalry. It remains to be seen how they view gun cavalry, but he still commands your horsemen, so there shouldn't really be problem with rank."Maester Stuar points outAfter him Maester Tobias raises his hand and you nod to signal him to speak."There's still the matter of what we will do in your absence if the Fullaxe girl comes asking for the men you promised to help her in hunting down the people that killed her family."Right, you did sort of end up promising to help against themYour Barrister, Maester Preston interjects"I would advise ignoring the Fullaxe girl. I do not see you have anything to gain from her my Lord and much to lose, should the little excursion end poorly. Whatever claim shouldn't stand up to a court of law.""Going back on my word would not reflect well with the Lords of the North.""Hunting criminals is always just cause my Lord, but I'm afraid that Justice requires work and work requires men to see it realized. If your ship and its crew are at dragonstone, another force is in Winterfell, then that doesn't leave any men to your lands save the token garrison force. Would you see them leave the Castle unguarded?"What will you choose to do?>"I will send a man in my stead. (Who and where? Ser Bodrin, Ser Dan, Ser Lucan, Maester Tobias? Winterfell? Capital?)">"I will handle the trip personally. (One? Both?)But>(We will put the trip to Capital on hold until men return from Winterfell.)>(Do both trips and instruct the garrison force to hold to keep the promise even if it leaves the Castle unguarded.)>(Do both trips and instruct the garrison force to ignore the pleas for help should they come.)or alternatively >Write in
>>2994127Ser Bodrin and Ser Lucas to WinterfellMaster Tobias to capitalwe stay and>(We will put the trip to Capital on hold until men return from Winterfell.)to keep our promise like any honored man should
>>2994127Can we ask the starks for some men to fill our garrison in the mean time?
>>2994127>"I will handle the trip personally. (Stark)What if the killing of those bandits became our inspection? So we kill two birds with one shot. We first head to Winterfell and ask Ned if he would like a battlefield demonstration, then we bring him (and his household guards, which he obviously would bring) and our gun-troops to attack the bandits.Northern honour is avenged, we impress Ned Stark the Honouraboo with the power of firearms, and we doubly impress Ned Stark for our honourable ways (fulfilling a promise made to some now-nobody despite there being little tangible benefit in doing so).
>>2994139You don't know dick about those bandits really or if they will even show up ever again. All you did was basically promise to offer aid in destroying them if they ever showed up again.You however do not have any information network for tracking them down yourself as of yet and none of the peasants have come forth with anything.
>>2994139Also you didn't care enough to start interrogating random peasants without probable cause, because they do sorta pay ypur salary.
>>2994127>"I will handle the trip personally. (Both)>"We will put the trip to Capital on hold until men return from Winterfell."And tell the girl we will get to it when we have time and an actual lead. Running around in the woods is pointless. As to the trips, they are pretty much the means for us to set up Powder production. Besides the fact we have little to do but tinker back home while the Mill is being built, the personal touch will help seal the deal. Plus, we can make sure things go our way and in line with our future plans. A lot more control.
>>2994228And we take our Outriders + some guns to Winterfell and take the ship + Marines to KL.
>>2994127>"I will handle the trip personally. +Winterfell Bring Cavalry>Send/Sail Maester Tobias to Capital with Ship and crew>(Do both trips and instruct the garrison force to ignore the pleas for help should they come.)We will find and bring the bandists to justice, but lets sort out our affairs before we track them down, leaving our castle unguarded is maddness
>>2987660>ignore the girth of your skill>girthhaBut seriously, I didn't realize this was back, that's great!
Also, as a reminder from a long while back. I'm not too sure on the details but I remember gifting Stannis things like gunpowder and stuff while Stark a neat looking sword was seen and evaluated by the nobles around us. To make sure we show some love for our lord it's a good idea to set up a better, more knock your socks off type gift for old Ned. Maybe plans for a heating system for Winterfell? Like I said it's been a while and I'm no engineer, but apparently it wouldn't be all that difficult to basically revolutionize heating and comfort in the North and setting up the Starks with the first ever heating system to better keep them warm would be a pretty great gift.Also handling the Winterfell trip personally is a must, or at least not choosing to do the Stannis trip personally and not the Stark one, gotta start being careful of our image.
>>2994228Woooooh! This quest is back! Awesome!>"I will handle the trip personally. (Both)>"We will put the trip to Capital on hold until men return from Winterfell."
>>2994845Consider the fact that Winterfell sits on a natural hotspring and is already centrally-heated.
>>2994845Winterfell does actually have one already.Hot spring water flows through the castle, which is why Starks tend to host a LOT of people during winters. They also use the same water to heat up their glass gardens. Winterfell is actually a LOT more impressive than in the TV series as Starks have maintained their power for longer than any other house in History of Westeros.We are talking of a Dynasty that has existed for Thousands of years.Hosting fucked houses during winter is also partially reason to the culture of guest right being so important as it's by now part of the Stark identity and also partially why Starks are rather beloved in the North.
>>2996237So what are WE situated on if anything? Salt peuter I hope...
>>2996237Well damn, maybe that shipyard we were talking about before. Could also build him a cannon with the promise of a few more for winterfell, that'd be a pretty great gift.
>>2996645Wetlands. Lots and lots of wetlands.We DO however have a low-quality iron mine with sulphur content. So thats something. Gonna build a cow pasture + niter bed for saltpeter though. 20 Wealth goodbye.
>>2996657I'd be surprised if our lands didn't already have some cow pastures somewhere, and a niter bed isn't exactly the most complex or costly thing to build.
>>2996675No, and frankly I have no fucking clue how a literal empty piece of land and a couple guys with shovels cost 2000 Gold Dragons to set up. Hell, I get that we maybe have to buy a shitload of cows so *maybe* they can go up to 2000 with the animals, work hands, buildings and educated handlers. But the niter bed is just whack.Then again, this is going off the rulebook, not something QM pulled out of his ass.
>>2996679Ah, I completely forgot about the rulebook there. Yeah, it probably is assuming we're setting everything up from scratch. I wonder if QM will let us repurpose an existing farm for a more reasonable sum.
>>2996675The fact that you don't have an industry big enough to affect house fortunes doesn't mean that you don't actually have that resource.House could still be able to produce iron on their lands without having a mine holding. All that it really means in practice is that it's effect in the economy is neglible.Even if you didn't have a fishery holding, the fact that you're on a shore already would imply that people do fish for a living. The Fact that you have a fishery means that you produce enough fish in abundance that you can export it in large enough quantities that your house has a certain degree of vested interest in the business.
Sorry for late and lacking update>Postpone and go yourself"You make a valid point Barrister Preston. It would be foolish of me to leave the Castle unguarded when the last council was gutted just this year, therefore we shall put the trip to the Capital on hold.Should there be news of the outlaws during the trip to Winterfell, then Ser Bodrin may take the ship and lend such assistance to her cause as he sees is reasonable. As to whom shall represent us at Winterfell? I think it's within reason I take the Outriders and go meet the Starks personally to explain the circumstances."The Barrister nods in approval"Very good my Lord. We shall inform Captain Lucan of your decision and begin making the necessary preparations for your journey. The Trip should take from anywhere from a 5-10 days to reach Winterfell and as long to make your way back.""Right, it's a long enough trip that I should leave you some standing orders in matters of governing the realm. There's other projects you might start up with in my absence. There should be enough gold in treasury to get a few things started in my absence."(If you stay for the full month in Winterfell, then your council has time to start 2 projects before you get back.)>Current Treasury: 3238 Gold Dragons (1 Wealth = 200 Gold)>Sulfur Refining Operations: (5 Wealth, 1d6 months) (Reduce cost of Gunsmith, Cannon Caster or Powderman Personage Holding Improvements by 2.)>Animal Husbandry: (10 Wealth, 2d6+6 months) (House fortunes +2)>Niter Beds: (10 Wealth, 1d6+6 months) (Reduce Power Cost of all black powder units by 1.)>Port: (10 Wealth, 2d6+6 months) (House Fortunes +2)>Marketplace: (10 Wealth, 2d6 months) (Resource Gain Bonus: Wealth 1+) (Resource Gain Bonus granted by this holding is increased by each Estate Wealth Holding and Artisan Personage holding in the domain with the Marketplace.)>Write-in"There's also the matter of the wedding too. (6 months)">"Maester Tobias send a message to your family stating that you're too busy to make it at this time.">"Maester Tobias Send a message stating that I'll accept the invitation.""Either way, I'll probably need to get some sort of wedding gift for that occasion. Now if there's nothing else, I think I'll start get prepared for my journey as well.">Did you bring or make anything special for the trip save the Outriders? (Standard Muskets? Cannons? Swivel guns? The Rifle? A Compass?)
>>2996728>Sulfur Refining Operations: (5 Wealth, 1d6 months) (Reduce cost of Gunsmith, Cannon Caster or Powderman Personage Holding Improvements by 2.)>Port: (10 Wealth, 2d6+6 months) (House Fortunes +2)Sulphur to have 1/3 of the reagents for the powder and the port to facilitate transport of the other 2 until we get our loan and animals up.>"Maester Tobias Send a message stating that I'll accept the invitation."Nice opportunity to scout some more talent, make closer ties to our family (and their allies) and propagate guns as a commodity. Gift our bro a fancy pair of pistols for the occasion and hint that we may be able to provide a few more for the discerning buyer.>Did you bring or make anything special for the trip save the Outriders? (Standard Muskets? Cannons? Swivel guns? The Rifle? A Compass?)Lets offer Stark a personal gun (probably our rifle, since its unique enough to be noteworthy). Also helps demo its capability and assure him what he is getting is great product.
You know what would be a great demonstration of our weapons for the Starks? Killing some bamdit scum. Hve like, a prisoner brought out, give him a weapon and tell him to charge us from 400 yards and then just do our thing.
>>2996753"The Man who passes the sentence should swing the sword."Eddard Stark doesn't take lives lightly.
>>2996768Well make a tiny bullet with a sword motif on it.
>>2996774He is more likely going to be disgusted than impressed by such gestures.Only one that really would react well to making a show of killing prisoners is Joffrey even if they're guilty.It is generally considered dishonorable conduct to make sport of an execution even if the guy you kill was a total asshole.
>>2996735Supporting, should have said way earlier>>2996836QM, you still using that discord and if so link please?
>>2997967Here you gohttps://discord.gg/H4z8wcy
>>2996836Then how the fuck else are we supposed to demonstrate this shit? Wooden dummies? I can already hear his condescending tone.>Oh yeah, the stick makes a boom. Takes a big man to kill someone from 200 yards away and not face him in open combatWe go to stab the dummy with a bayonet charge>Oh yeah, easy to kill a dummy, they don't fight back! Honorable little bitches like the Starks are why technology has stagnated for so long. Why bother destroying your enemy as quickly as possible with overwhelming fire power when you can give him a chance to kill you honorably in a sword fight? Why invent faster modes of transport when the horse and raven are SOOOO noble and respect?! Why bother inventing anything or bettering yourself when some archaic dogma tells you to keep yourself restrained and on a playing field where people who wouldn't be able to touch you otherwise get a fair shot at you?Look at the Battle of the Bastards. Ramsay had tons of archers and fucking DECIMATED Starks shit before the literal cavalry arrived. IT'S NOT AS IF HE HAD LONG BOWS! Or did he? I can't rememberThe point is Honor amd Tradition can eat my fucking saber.
>>2998502Anon, stop being retarded.
>>2998502However honorübrü Stark is, he will see that blowing through plate mail is a pretty neat trick. One he rather have himself than his enemies.
>>2996735This, but also bring a sample of everything except like a straight out ship cannon.Meaning a swivel gun, a musket and our rifle. Then we can offer to make a custom gun for him once we're there. If we stay there for a month as he tests those troops, we can probably make a pretty fancy gun for him.
How about a pattern welded gun?
>>2998574Rather not show the Winterfell smiths how to gun. Muskets/cavalry rifles will be provided by our outriders and I suppose a swivel gun could be a nice demo as well - show how it blows through siege wepons. But no forging on-site. Also not like we couldnt make ourselves another rifle.
>Sulfur Refining>Accept the invitation>Bringing anything special-So, do you want to actually make a gun for him before leaving or offer to make one for him during the trip?Also, I noticed that the year seems to be changing during the trip. You wanna bring some fireworks?Imma get some fud and then start writing.
>>2998620Don't the Outriders just have pistols?
>>2998705Give him our own rifle unless we can make one as impressive by the time we move. Dont forge there since it tips our hand, even if slightly.Fireworks if we have time. A tube with loosely-packed gunpowder and a charge on top should do it, no clue about aerodynamics though.>>2998708Id assumed we gave them at least a pair of pistols and a carabine, since its basically a stumpy musket. If not, take some with us.
>>2998705Bring fireworksWe dont make a custom gun yet, he might not be 100% onboard with using guns himself.
>>2998705We've gotta bring him a fancy rifle really, our own if we can't make a new one in time. Last time we made a bad impression because we only gave him a sword.
>>2998720Which Im still salty about. I mean come on. We gifted him a fineass sword hand-made by us. Not some shitty castle smith, the fucking Lord of the castle took the time to forge you a personal sword. And hes pouty he didnt get a gun. Boo-hoo. Not like anyone else got guns either. Stannis got some shitty matchlocks for his troops so we could sell our fucking boat. Hardly a gift for a Lord.
>>2998725You're not really his buddy. You're his vassal.The fact that he's taking a neutral stance with you rather than sucking your dick isn't pouting.Besides, he did put as much effort into speaking for you as you did in making him a gift.Of course, the fact that you left early didn't exactly help your case in the end.
Sorry if I was a bit rude.The Point is, the way Ned acts in the books is largely how he acts with his friends and his family. How he acts with strangers such as you is nowhere near as casual.
>Sulfur>Accept invitation>Fireworks and a selection of gunsAfter telling Tobias to tell your family you accept the invitation and authorizing the Maesters to start working on a Sulfur Refining facility for your the mines should they have the time, you began your own preparations. Leaving the council room, you grabbed the first guard you saw. "You there. [Guard NPC #12] follow me. I need someone to help me carry some stuff from the armory. I'm going on a road trip.""Yes, milord."The Armory was located in the top of the keep right next to your room. Yes, it was a pain to always walk up the stairs, but it had three advantages. First being naturally the fact that you've got a literal mountain of guns right next door in case you need to go full roof Korean in this place.Second was that it was the least damp place of the castle.Third being that you didn't need to guard both the armory and your personal quarters separately. In fact, it's probably easier to steal gold from you than loot your gunpile, then again, the gold is stored straight below the powder kegs, so you could probably drop the whole floor on top of the treasury."Yep, taking one of those, and those, and definitely one of those.... Come to think of it, there's new years eve coming soon isn't it?"You say to the guard as he starts to load up the spare muskets, and the swivel gun to one of the stretchers he took from the wall."You mean the New Year's Solstice milord?""Yea-yea that thing, it actually gives me an idea. Bring one of those child sized kegs too. I wanna see if I can't make something new out of it.""As you wish milord."You doubt you can pull off any colored explosions or anything like that, but having spectacular displays of fire in the sky should still be a hit with the peasants. Besides, what could possibly go wrong with homemade fireworks without eye protection?Wasn't there like a gun for this purpose too?Oh well, here goes nothing!>Give me a Knowledge test to see what sort of fireworks you manage to pull off.>4d6+4 (thanks to the two Scholars)
Rolled 1, 5, 6, 5 + 4 = 21 (4d6 + 4)>>2998808
Rolled 2, 3, 6, 2 + 4 = 17 (4d6 + 4)>>2998808
Rolled 2, 4, 4, 4 + 4 = 18 (4d6 + 4)>>2998808
>>2998818It would seem that this isn't the first time you've diddled with homemade explosives.
>>2998617That's honestly probably what quite a few of ours are
>>2998620I see your point but honestly it's the black powder we really have to keep secret.
>>2998940This should be the prospect of the future for our guns.https://youtu.be/k2Kk33gOwxM>>2999022Sure, but not knowing how to temper the metal of the barrel or springs in the lock will help keep us on top in the sales of both commodities. I see no reason to throw away one for no good reason. Not like we couldnt make ourselves another Rifle down the road.
>>2999143I guess, personally I was all for making a personal firearm for stark with his house's heraldry and such. Maybe with the barrel having a wolf head on the end like a gaping mouth, like in the pic here >>2988065 That would have been sweet as fuck, too late now though but maybe later. Maybe not even for the lord, could always make a personal rifle for the young heir or some such as a gift for something important later.
>>2999334Shit can we do this that would be awesome
>>2998808 Yes!! Reincarnation quest is back! Pic related. How come we can't manage a few coloured explosions? Isn't it just a matter of adding some potassium (for example) to the gunpowder?
>>2998884 I hope you mean fiddled because the idea of us performing a sex act on homemade explosives sounds not fun
>>2999727Its not how do we do, its what do we have to do with. And the anwser is not much. Plus I doubt stuffing wood ash in the rocket will give us a red bang.
>21>Pretty good>Acquired [Black Match Fuses]>Acquire [Simple Horse Tail Firework]>Produced [Simple Black Powder Rockets]>Produced a [Flintlock Hand Mortar][1/2]Considering the length of the journey, you gave your lads about a week or so to prepare, during which you started to refresh your memory on making homemade fireworks. Technically it was never really legal or recommended to have been doing this when you were alive, but who hasn't dicked around with homemade explosives in some point of their lives?Probably the boring majority to be perfectly honest. Fucking normies.Once got down to finally testing your fireworks, you came to a sudden realization.Spooking peasants by shooting fireballs into the night sky is actually a pretty damn good way to pass the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJZK6rzjnsYou even thought for a moment to buy a pointy hat with bunch of planets and stars on it to really go all out with it, but thought that was a little bit corny. "Lord Tallon, might you please stop shooting fireballs into the sky at evenings? It's making some of the townsfolk a bit nervous and spawning all sorts of rumors about what sort of things you're up to in the castle.""Listen, Mayor Tarner, you gotta be more open minded! Different people like different things. For example, I happen to know you lot like to go drinking, whoring and gambling after work in the Taverns. Sometimes start a few fights too! Well, I happen like to watch explosions in the sky after work. Why shouldn't man be allowed such comforts?""Some are saying you're a Wizard My Lord.""Well, I don't think that's really a crime now is it? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and it's not as if they're insulting or slandering me, now are they? Look, I've got a ship to catch. Matters of state and all that. I need off to try and procure some more funds to grease up the wheels of this failing economy. We'll see how this Maester Council experiment goes at running things while I'm gone."Before boarding the vessel, you told Ser Bodrin, Ser Dan and Maester Tobias that they're allowed to arrest the Maesters if they're found sending any confidential documents to without your approval. "The Conclave made me pay for their knowledge in gold whilst keeping their own trade secrets hidden. It is only fair that I would repay the favor in kind. Feel free to remind them that whilst I am not necessarily a Maester, I still am an acolyte in good standing and I still can have their chains revoked for theft of research on top of the punishment for oathbreaking should they cross the threshold."
[2/2]It's almost a shame this old tub has to be sold even despite the decent price and your burning need for funds. Once the horses and goods were loaded up to the vessel, the journey to White Harbor began with good wind on your sails and you reached your destination the same day you left.Upon reaching the Clean-white limestone city, you were given anchorage in the inner harbors as befitting of your status and your men began to unload the cargo as Captain Lucan went to seek out a passage to Winterfell by the White Knife.Loading and Unloading horses from a ship was a hassle, but much of the budget allocated to the Outriders was centered around training the warhorses not to be scared of gunfire. With the aid of the learning of your Maesters, hefty rations of Black Powder as well as the persistence of the Outriders, the horses might now be half-deaf, but they're no longer afraid of loud noises. You really couldn't expect to replace them on the field however.You were told that it might be possible to breed a horse bloodline that by nature is better fitted for your type of warfare, but you lacked the resources to pull off something like that, so for now, it's half deaf Garrons for the Outriders.Whilst the men handle the cargo, you do have some time to kill.If you wanted to, you could say hi to the Manderlys and ask for a loan from them as well or potentially make some other offer. There's also Lady Airis, should you have any business with her.Of course, White Harbor is also a place nearly all Essosi trade of North centers in, so acquiring foreign items, especially those of Braavosi origin should be possible in here.>I don't really have the time to muck about in here.>Seek out for something specific from the Markets: (what?) >Go and say hello to Lord Wyman>Write-in (what?)
Can we look for curious items from the markets that sailors regard with utmost superstition and dread?
>>3001043>Go and say hello to Lord WymanIt might be good to start talking business with our neighbor, plus I'm open to taking up his offer on courting Airis
>>3001043>I don't really have the time to muck about in here.
>>3001043>Go and say hello to Lord WymanNever hurts to greet the man. Also ask if he be interested in guns.>Seek out for something specific from the Markets: (what?) See if we cant find traces of rubber plants, exotic spices/poisons, tobacco/cocaine, glass makers or alchemical reagent suppliers (looking for gunpowder reagents, then mercury and acids, then anything else thats hard to come by in the area that might be good vor industry, lubricants etc.).>>3001112Airis a shit. No point in courting her since we have all her stuff already.Provides no benefit. Besides, our V level is soon at 100. Magic sparks incoming.
>>3001147>Auris a shitNo u
>>3001190No she.And if tits are the reason you want to get hitched to her so are you.
>>3001197>titsFuck no that's retarded. We've had one conversation with her for christ's sake. If we were a lord in any other area then I'd agree with building up and finding a strong match, but up north with our vasts tracks of land, growing soon to be monopoly on gun powder and guncraft, and a people known for their more traditional tight knit communities, it makes more sense to fully cement our claim and be the undisputed rightful ruler in our peoples eyes. Honorable or not, we're the outsider here with no real connections and will likely have a harder time with marriage, especially wirh all the spending we have to do for gains that are very long term, an unstable, incomplete court and castle staff also full of outsiders, maesters at that, and a land that was descibed by Wymon himself to be unremarkable and with noticeable banditry. Airis is avaible, cements our claim, makes both us and our house a true northern nobility in the eyes of both peasantry and the houses, and improves our standing further. If you think I'm thinking of waifusim for an OC in a GoT setting of all things, especially with something as useful as marriage, then you've got to be retarded.
>>3001043Supporting this >>3001112>>3001147>Airis a shit.ur mom
>>3001206Firstly, her family were traitors to the realm, thats why we now live in that part of the former lands with a castle on it (other pieces were sold to our neighbours). Her brother sold weapons to Vale mountain clans FFS.Secondly, our claim is granted, and we are the direct vassal of, Lord Stark. This means we wont get any shit from locals about faulty claims. Not unless we start doing open blood rituals. Hell, Tyrells have been a disputed claim for 300 years. Hasnt stopped them.Thirdly, our "vast tracks" are around 1000 people, a bit of swamp and a hill. OK by southern standards, miniscule by northern. We probably have the smallest plot around with what could well be among the fewest serfs, especially after the sacking of the castle.Fourthly, while it is true we are an outside force, so were the Manderlys. And with our plan to invest literal fortunes into the local economy, not to mention the guidance and knowledge of a highly skilled court, I dont see the peons being even remotely opposed to us (barring blood rituals etc. again)Fiftly, Airis has little to no political pull in the area anyway. She was whisked off before she could be a courtly lady and spent the rest under Manderly care. Not exactly touring the region, now is she?Sixthly, there are far better options. We could get a similarly useless wife with a dowry from among dozens of northern lords.Seventhly, and perhaps the biggest thing, we will owe Manderly a favour. A big one. And unlike, it seems to me, you, I do not like Manderly having a hand up our ass when we start pouring forth masses of guns and armor in the next few years.So no, not retarded, actually thought it through extensively. Talked with QM and everything. So before tits beguile you next time, consider the full picture, the political rammifications and what others would gain from this. And if you are really looking for a local ho, consider that there is a single lady with actual lands in the area. Much better profit, no?>>3001215Same to you bub.
Waifus are gay.We should either remain bachelor or wait until we're threathening/scary enough that people can't ignore us or we can find a woman with a claim for some of the lands held by mountain clans (if there's any on the coast) and then we go and back that claim with guns.
>>3001233Those are good points but I'm not actually calling you retarded for not wanting to have a marriage meeting, I'm calling you retarded because you felt the need to bring waifuism into it as if that's the reason why anyone would disagree with you. But your right, retarded isn't the right word for it, asshole is much more fitting.
>>3001249So a common edgelord, I see. Welcome, welcome. Just keep your dumb shit to yourself and keep in mind "muh feelings" are not a currency here.
>>3001233but auris is teh sexy, can you say teh same aboot ur local ho with huge tracts of land?
>>3001256Fuck you too anon
>>3001267Probably, as I understand shes a bit older than our dear Airis.>>3001270>pic related
>>3001273works for me
>>3001273>acts like he doesn't give a fuck>still responds
Wtf I changed my mind. I am an AA-gun now.
>>3001206She is useless, her family are traitors
I still like Airse; I think it would be narratively satisfying to take her as our wife.
>>3001373 I disagree, she a shit with a shit traitor family, we have better prospects down the line when we are more secure militarily and financially.
>>3001373Despite earlier friction with the other anon, if the QM does say that the claim she could potentially has is trivial and provides next to nothing like >>3001233Says than I see no point. I do feel bad for her but that's life.
Airis is a feral negress and anyone who wants to get with her is a bluegum turbonegro.
>>3001996>>3001393Pic related.Arisis a cute
It's a shame best girl is getting married and also related to us.
>>3002266I know, right? Gonna miss that ship even if you will get 6000 gold for it.
>>3002914I'm off this weekend so updates unlikely. Is there anything specific you wanna chat with the Manderly about?>Guns?>Loans?>Courting Airis?>Making friends in the North?>Just a cordial visit?
>>3003116Ask if he is interested in guns (dont promise anything) and ask about making friends in Da Norf (a bit of political and a lot of industrial, like getting lots of Pig Iron when we need to).
>>3003116>Making friends in the North?
>>3003116>Making friends in the northAnd, on a related note>Courting Airis
>>3003116>Courting Airis?>Making friends in the North?
>>3002914 of course the rad king would endorse incest. Picture will never not be relevant to this Quest
What the hell is it with this waifu shit? She is bloody useless and leaves us in debt to Manderly. There is literally no gain from her aside the baby factory and with us being immortal, we literally couldnt give less of a shit. Goddam pointless. But no, anon wants to get his virtual noodle wet.Pray tell, why the fuck are we bothering with her?
>>3003813 because there are more benefits to our character having a wife then socio-political or sexual. There's also the benefits of having a person around who our protagonist must interact with on a semi-regular basis. Not everything is about statistics or masturbation. Also I kind of like her character
>>3004116What fucking interaction? She is literally useless. We can talk to the cook maids ffs. Not like we will have much free time anyway, what with setting up industry, developing steam engines and training every jokel to use some part of our tech. And it all eventually boils down to "I like her". All based of 2 conversations and a pic with tits. I will agree to see her if anyone can name an actual use we could have of her that only she can provide. Thus far its zilch. For reference, see >>3001233
>>3004132What's wrong with 'I like her' as an argument for marrying her? Even in not! medieval Europe, not every marriage has to be a coldly-calculated political manoeuvre.Where's the love, anon?Where's the love?!!?!? please excuse the GIF; it's the closest one I have to theme of 'love'.
>>3004229>>3004116Reminder we get wizard powers at 100 if we don't have sex for at least 25 more years.
>>3004955What are you talking about wizard Powers come at 30 we've already got double wizard powers
For a wifey, why don't we look towards the future, specifically the rebellion coming up. We're obviously gonna pick the norf side, so we have a few options.One: we pick a norf minor house to solidify our claims and gain allies in the region.Two: we pick a minor house that is on the enemies side to wife up to stick a thorn in their side, gain supplies when campaigning in that areaThree: we go the merchant route and supply arms to one side or another whilst staying neutral (not my pick but an option). We marry whomever.Four: we marry into a dornish household, potentially getting allies and supplies from there. This would, I imagine, be a super late pick. Like Dany coming back with dragons pick.
>>3005118Not very familiar with Thrones lore, here; what rebellion are you talking about?We've already had the initial rebellion to toss out the Targs, and we personally sank a good chunk of the Greyjoy rebellion: How many more rebellions are there in Westeros?!?
>>3005250Well I mean, the whole "robert dies and the kingdom gets split into a five-way mess" will happen eventually.
>>3005316Ah.Fair enough.Did we ever reach a consensus as to whether or not we wanted to do something to try to stop big Bob from copping it?
>>3005330Tbh no matter what we do, the kingdom plunges into civil war. If we go to save Ned, we probably won't even make it outta the city with our troops alive. The best thing we can do in that scenario is to just spirit Ned out before he gets arrested
>>3005359I bet he wouldn't go. From what little I know of Ned sneaking away from his enemies disguised as a washer-woman or whatever is probably the last thing he'd want to do.
>>3005359Well, you say that, but if you do show up with enough firepower to overwhelm both the Household guard and the City Guard when the coup happens, those in greatest danger for loss of life would be on the other side of the guns.
>>3005389I'm thinking dead of the night business (we could probably even rope Stannis into using his boat because of muh honour).>>3005758Are you suggesting we march on KL? If outright show of force: high chance of getting massacred when we reach the city. We simply don't know the city as well as the gold cloaks (who are admittedly useless but are good in tying up our troops) and the Lannisters have a reasonably large company there guarding the queen.If covert: we'd need to befriend The Spider before even thinking about moving troops. I doubt a size large enough to have a chance of reasonably escaping does not go unnoticed by someone with many birds.
>>3004993Nah senpai its 100. >>3005359>>3005996Its not quantity, its quality. Stick a couple dozen men in full plate with repeater shotguns with Ned and his Family and you can hold a chokepoint against any idiot. Be it shitty goldcloak or shitty Kingsguard, deer slug goes through them both. And GC will break quickly if the first few lines get instagibbed in under 5 seconds, especially if our fame spreads. Additionally, the shotguns will prove instrumental in turning Neds utter defeat into the capture of not only the ryal family but Littlefinger as well. Plus, giving Stark family/men a holdout pistol will also improve the odds.
>>3005996>If covert: we'd need to befriend the spiderNot necessarily. The Man isn't omniscient and even if he is successfully spying on you, that means nothing if you can move faster than his information network can send messages or decode your messages.Which if you are using some sort of cipher machine, it will be pretty hard for them to crack your code.
>>3006039Ammo runs out eventually and we don't have repeater rifles (I'm pretty sure). If we're turned into chokepoint situation, the situation turns more dire. Think about it, what would you do in Cersais shoes? Youd: incite the people against the north (we were only going to give the Stark a small fine and he burned down our city and killed our friends!), you make the religious order turn against you (not hard seeing that they're corrupt. Probably along the lines of "divine kings justice has been etc etc") then you'd turn the Lord's against the north, I'd assume something along the lines of "Ned and his lackeys attacked KL to kill the king! Well give the Stark lands to the five biggest armies!"Using force hinders our arguments. He's gotta be spirited away before anything happens. Ideally right after Roberts death, could even say Robert appointed us and with his death we go back home or something along those lines. >>3006106It wouldn't even be a code cracking thing. If a fairly small town is emptied of its men, you don't reckon the spider will be informed? And I reckon that messages move faster than men do. Even, if we moved them into KL, where would they stay that wouldn't arose suspicions?
>>3006177You misunderstand. We escort Ned to imprison the Royal Family, Cersei and co. Something easily achieved by superior firepower. Meanwhile, Stark men with our support hold their personal quarters and while the Kingsguard might not easily break (but are easily shot down) the Goldcloaks will shatter like glass. They are basically hired thugs, after all and getting shot does not mean you get to enjoy your pay. The whole idea is to go hard and fast and make it decisive. As to the cipher and information, stuffing all our dudes on a steam boat and going to KL full speed, only to disgorge gunmen the night before seems a pretty big surprise to me.
>>3006177You don't really need to burn the City to the ground in order to thwart Cersei with military might.All you need is to attack the Red Keep and if you have the force to overwhelm any fortification they got, you can literally kill your way by the wall to the Red Keep.Normally people wouldn't consider doing it because it makes you go through so many gatehouses, but if gatehouses aren't an obstacle, then that plan goes out of the window.It's not implausible to even bombard those defences with Naval artillery as well.Of course if there is the deal with Littlefinger involved, getting into the red keep isn't a problem, it's getting out.You also have about 10 years to develope a plan of getting Ned out of prison if you wanna steal him away. Installing sleeper cells in King's Landing is also a possibility who could map out a route for your men to do an extraction mission, which of you have airborne deployment and extraction available along with breaching charges isn't an impossible mission.
Should probably also be mentioned that Lannisters aren't exactly loved in the Capital.They did go on a raping/sacking spree after pretending to be allies and backstabbed their king and then handing it over to Robert Baratheon.10 years isn't enough time to forget that even if they liked Robert.
>>3006266>isn't an impossible mission.https://youtu.be/tGSUjuSBt1A
>>3006411Operatives with nerve gas, air-powered rifles, tight black leather and Steely nerves sneaking about in the catacombs that is the cellar of the Red Keep. Powerboat ready to ship escapees in the waters below and breaching charges to remove the floor of the dungeons from beneath.Not a bad short story to play through once we get there.
>>3006266Probably doesn't need to be said but we should also make sure to develop good relations with both the Starks and the houses of the North so that they're more willing to listen to us when shit hits the fan. Plus if we do fail saving Ned, I hope not though I want him to survive, having Robb's ear and reminding him he can worry about girls after he wins and defeats the people that killed his father would save us a lot of trouble. I also wonder if it'd be possible to get our lord yo let us take Jon into our court instead of having him take the black. Probably not considering who he is, and it's probably better that way considering the white walkers. Still though, he'd be useful under us.
>>3006565Ah, let the Plot Device take the black. That way we know the North is at least somewhat secure. Maybe tell them not to camp at the fist and take lots of flammable shit with them?
>>3006587>he looks at us like we're crazy>shit hits the fan and remembers this conversation>he really was a wizard....
>>3003116>Guns>Making friends in the North
>>3003251>>3003426>>3003451>>3009848>How do I make friends?
>Go say hello to Wyman Manderly[1/3]Thinking for a while of things to do whilst waiting, you came to a conclusion."I'm going to go and say hello to the Lord of White Harbor whilst you handle the manual labor."You took a horse and four of the Outriders with you and headed to the proud and pale New Castle. It stood atop a hill, rising above the city's thick white wall and the merman sigil of House Manderly flew from it's towers in the evening sun. Riding up the wide White stone street, a far cry of your own mud roads in your domains, you finally reached the Castle gates at which you were greeted by the guard."Halt! Who goes there?""Tis Lord Arthur Tallon who goes there! Along with his guards and some horses! I am passing through Lord Manderly's lands and came to announce my presence in his domain.""One moment my Lord! Riders come in the dusk! Call for Ser Marlon!"After a while of waiting, you see a stout man with a light-brown beard in a silvery half-plate come and pop his head over the Crenels of the Gatehouse."I hope the evening finds you well Lord Tallon.""Thus far, I've naught to complain about. Might I guess you Lord Wyman's cousin?""You'd guess correctly. Would you and your men like to join us for dinner Lord Tallon?""I'll gladly accept your invitation Ser Marlon.""Open the way! We've guests!"The Clanking of ratchets could be heard inside the gatehouse as the Iron Chains lifted the Portcullis.When the gates opened and you rode through them, the stableboys came to take your horses, after which Ser Marlon came to escort your personally."You know though we've not met before, we fought in the same war together Lord Tallon.""Ah, a fellow veteran. Though I suppose it's bit of a hollow title considering by how much we outmatched Greyjoy in every single way. Which battles were you fighting in?""We were sent to reinforce Ser Barristan's army, but although I was late to the war, there was no warrior in either side who hadn't heard of the Thunderstorm of Fair Isle and how the Iron fleet slammed themselves to the Royal Fleet."It's always nice to be appreciated"Well, you fought at Old Wyk. That Island is considered the most holy by the Ironborn warriors. I'd imagine fighting was the hardest in that place.""They fought hard, this much is true. But they didn't fight smart. Ser Barristan had us take over the landing zones where safe anchorage could be made. They focused on the defense of their holy places rather than the Landing zones. When they finally realized what was going on, it was too late. They'd either have to choose to starve or let us determine the field of battle. In the end a pact was made where they'd surrender us hostages from their families and disband their armies if the Old Wyk would remain untouched.""Well, that's certainly story worth telling to your grandchildren."
[2/3]After reaching the Merman's Court you were greeted by a vast dining hall with many tables and and with dozens of knights, men-at-arms and highborn men and women eating. At the end of the hall was the Lord's table within which Wyman Manderly sat with his wife, children and wards.Your men are take a seat in one of the tables with the knights."Come, let's get you a seat at the Lord's table. We can trade more warstories and the like.""Cousin, we've a visitor.""Well if it isn't Lord Tallon! Last time we saw each other was at Lord Stark's feast was it not?""That sounds about right Lord Manderly.""You left a bit suddenly back then, but come! Take a seat, I'll not turn away a fellow Lord Northern from my table. Airis, make some room for our Lord."She makes a curtsy and makes some room as you're seated next to her. You give her a nod as you sit down."Good evening my Lady.""Good evening my Lord."Ser Marlon sits on the other side and starts putting some sausages to his plate."You want some?""No thank you, but I'd take some of the mustarded herrings and steamed vegetables if you don't mind passing those."As you put some food on your table, Lord Wyman speaks up in his booming voice."So, Lord Tallon, how have you managed with your little ordeal? Rebuilding the council and all that?""Ah, well. Sadly from the applicants I received, they weren't quite as well versed in letters and numbers as I'd have required them to be, so I might have instead went and filled all my council positions with Maesters mostly legal specialists, but a Seneschal and a Scholarly type as well."Lord Wyman puts his fork down and readjusts himself on his chair and is now looking at you directly."How on earth did you manage that? As far I understood there was but a few Maesters willing to leave for the North. Must have cost you a fortune.""Ah, well as to that... I did sort of cut a deal with the Conclave for a new type of metal alloy I stumbled upon. How compliant the Maesters themselves were exactly, I'm unsure.""New type of metal?""Sadly, I can't exactly give you greater details at this time. Discretion in business and all that.""Very well, though I should warn you Lord Tallon. The Northerners don't exactly trust Maesters.""I don't suppose you could give me any advise on that regard? Befriending Northeners, not the Maester part."He takes a deep breath from his nostrils"The North is cold. Even after generations of living in here, we're still not truly seen as one of them. However, the Northern houses aren't fair weather friends. They are slow to trust, but once a word once given they rarely break.""So basically just hang in there and don't break your word?""Well, so long as you've a mutually beneficial partnership and make your dealings with good faith, you should be able make friends among the Northern houses."
[3/3]As you ate, drank and went through about War stories with Ser Marlon, topic eventually shifted to the purpose of your visit."Come to think of it, I never asked you what brought you to White Harbor.""Ah, well I got a letter from Winterfell. Lord Stark apparently wants to borrow some Guns and men to determine their value or some such. I reckoned that since I got the Maesters running the day-to-day operations, I might as well go myself and answer whatever questions he has about black powder."One of Wyman's sons asks"What's a gun?">Want to try one?>Try to explain verbally>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.>Ignore the child
>>3010470>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.Might as well offer a few shots to the Lords family if they like. regular musket, that is.
>>3010470>Want to try one?Followed by:>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.
>Want to try one?>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.Impromptu fireworks show and marketing event in the morning with all our guns as a gun show.https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ej83QvHuiNI
>>3010470>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.
>Want to try one?>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.
>>3010470>>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship.We've scared the hell out of the peasants in our little township; might as well see if we can do the same to some (relatively) sophisticated city folk.
>>3010470>Want to try one?Children with guns is always a good idea.
>Hell, it's dark out. Might as well have some fun. Tell one of your guards to go and fetch your hand mortar and some fireworks from the ship."It's a type weapon Lord Tallon is famous for."Ser Marlon answers to the boy"If you'd like, we could do a shortened preview show on black powder as we're on our way to do a similar presentation to Winterfell anyway. Fetch some guns from the ships and show you how they work, that sort of thing you know?"Lord Manderly strokes his beard and eyes you"Why not. Little fresh air before retiring could do us all some good.""Excellent! Oi lads, fetch me boomkit off the schooner, chop chop." The Your men stand up and look at eachother a bit confused."Get me a musket and the box with the firework launcher from the ship if you would."They nod and give a quick 'Yes lord' before heading outside as per your orders."Right, we'll need some targets. Got anything specific you'd like ventilated Lord Manderly?"You say whilst rubbing your hands with glee."Marlon, didn't we have some rusted helmets around? We could one of those."After an undetermined amount of time, your men returned with your kit and you went out to the courtyard with a small crowd and after showing Marlon the basic steps on how to use a musket, he was duly impressed by the perforation of steel whilst others clapped sight of sparks the lead made from impacting the now slightly more broken helmet."Quite impressive for a ranged weapon. I don't think I've seen a crossbow able to do that, not to mention it's far more comfortable to actually wield. Especially the trigger mechanism.""Well, that's not all you can do with black powder. Have a gander at this."You pull out the massively thick and girthy short musket looking contraption"Good gods, are you going to fire catapult stones from that thing?""Nah, not exactly. It's really more for fun than for anything else, though you can use it for signaling."You charge the hand mortar and place a particularly large firecracker into barrel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqbW8Hpnqc"Now everyone can live out their fantasies of their wizardly fantasies shooting fireballs at their enemies. Here, have a go, I can still afford to use a couple more shots. Rest I'm afraid must await for Winterfell."Ser Merlon takes the hand mortar and aims at the sky, just like you did."I can certainly see many applications for a signaling tool such as this. We could certainly use some here in the White Harbor, but that depends on how much you're charging for these things.">How do you want to price Black Powder equipment?>Same price range as Myrish Crossbows: 2000 silver for each.>Same price range as Heavy Crossbows: 900-1000 silver for each.>Same price range as Medium Crossbows: 400-500 silver stags for each.>Sorry, but I'd rather not sell these goods without special dispensation>Write-in?
>>3012415>Same price range as Myrish Crossbows: 2000 silver for each.We don't want to annoy our fellow northern lords by flat out denying them the opportunity to purchase guns, but I think it's probably reasonable to price them high so few if any lords will actually make a purchase.
>>3012423We will make money off the powder more turn anything else, we want to supply northern lords with firearms then force them to go through us to keep them functional, so no need to go charging an arm and a leg for something we want people to own and use.
>>3012429Fair point, perhaps 2000 is a bit steep. But they're objectively better than heavy crossbows, so it wouldn't make much sense to price them at the same or less. Something like 1200 maybe?
>>3012415>Same price range as Heavy Crossbows: 900-1000 silver for each.A nice, mid-range price. Maybe a little less if he wants to negotiate.
>>3012415>>Same price range as Heavy Crossbows: 900-1000 silver for each.No crossbow can do what we can, so having it be reasonably priced is ok, besides, we can make it cheaper when we have mass manufacture down the line. And no point in making it super expensive since gunpowder sales also make big bank ~~though we have to pay off our soon-to-be debt first~~.
>>3012415>>Same price range as Heavy Crossbows: 1000 silver for each.
>1200small prince increase. it is a better product than a Heavy Crossbow, so it will see purchase as much as we can produce.
>>3012415>>Same price range as Heavy Crossbows: 900-1000 silver for each.We really need friends in the north, and this is by far the most fair. I would prefer less, so if he negotiates less go down a bit
>>3012415>Same price range as Myrish Crossbows: 2000 silver for each.We can't refuse to sell them to him but we can't have everyone running around with them
>>3012415>>Same price range as Heavy Crossbows: 900-1000 silver for each.
How about a comfy range of 1500? That'll stop the more common Lord's from approaching us, give us a nice little profit and show the Lord's that we're not some tiny merchant Lord despite our land holdings
>>3013824That seems an entirely reasonable price. We could even point out that depending on what colours they want their detonations to be (seeing as he wants the fireworks for signalling purposes) that we would need more expensive materials but that is something to discuss later. As that might allow us to gouge him out for different colours depending what complexity of signal language he plans on using them for.
>>3014183Depends on what we are talking about. If its just muskets, 1000S seems ok, since we want to hook people on our product, after all. If for signaling devices, we *may* want to ask a higher price but considering how much powder that thing needs its cheaper price would be offset by bigger powder imports.Basically, lets not sell the guns for too steep (current manufacturing price 400-500 for flintlock) since we want that constant revenue source of gunpowder.
> Around the same as a Heavy Crossbow[1/2]"Was thinking of keeping these things around 1000 silver range. More or less how much a heavy crossbow tends to fetch. Maybe a little more.""I take it the powder isn't going to be very cheap."Lord Wyman replies"We will see. It's ultimately the supply and demand which will end up determining the market price, but I expect that shot for shot a crossbow is likely going to run you a fair bit less money, at the very least because you can reuse the bolts.Then again, when it's a life and death situation, I'd expect the vast majority wouldn't mind paying an extra few silvers for an bit more of a handicap."Ser Marlon "I'll be honest Lord Tallon. I mean no disrespect, but speaking as a Knight, I don't think the other Sers are going to like seeing these on the field. They already say a crossbow is a coward's weapon.""Well fuck em. I don't think knighthood has any value if it means we must hold back when we are acting in defense of our lands and people. Knights tend to take many oaths, this is true, but I don't recall taking one which obligates me to give a handicap to the wicked.""Like I said Lord Tallon, I meant no disrespect. There are other aspects to the Seven than the Warrior, a fact too many Knights seem to likely to forget. I am merely giving you warning."Wyman snaps his fingers and gestures everyone to follow him."I think this has been enough excitement for an evening we should all retire for the evening. Lord Tallon, if you don't mind, I'd like to talk with you a bit in private before heading to bed."
[2/2]You saw no reason to decline the good host's invitation, so you follow him to his study where he has a no small library containing books in many languages."It's no Citadel, but I think in the North only the Winterfell has a better collection.""You got any of Ruger's works?""I've recently acquired a copy as it was quite cheap. Have not read it personally, but Maester Theomore keeps the copy in his office. Although, I didn't exactly call you here to discuss literature.""Is it about Guns?""In a way. I recognize them as something that White Harbor has been lacking for quite some time and I don't mean them as mere impliments of violence.""Care to elaborate?""Myr has it's lenses, it's firewines and crossbows.""Tyrosh has it's great armorsmiths, it's brandy and its inventors.""Lys has its wines, it's poisons, it's tapestries, it's perfumes and it's whores.""Every great City in the known world has its own signature products which mark it from the rest. White Harbor however, mainly ships raw materials.""I'm not selling the recipe for the powder if that's what you're asking."He laughs and pours himself a cup of wine and offers to pour one for you as well."No thanks, I'm riding.""What I am offering you is to become your patron Lord Arthur. If you swear fealty to me and become my vassal, I will not only defend you military, but I will provide you all the funds your house needs to set up the gun and powder production. I'll even throw in the bit of coastline that used to belong to the Fullaxe along with the fishing hamlet that's on it.""And the catch is?""Well, obviously any goods your lands produce would be sold through White Harbor. Naturally, we both would get our fair shafe." > I must regrettably decline that offer. > Sounds like a good deal even if I'd become Manderly's bannerman. > Write-in
>>3014313> I must regrettably decline that offer.
>>3014313>> I must regrettably decline that offer.Mention that both the Crown and the Starks have interest in keeping us independent any export monopoly, to soften the blow of the decline?
>>3014313>>> I must regrettably decline that offer.>Mention that both the Crown and the Starks have interest in keeping us independent any export monopoly, to soften the blow of the decline>there are other tools and items we can sell here
>>3014313>>>> I must regrettably decline that offer.>>Mention that both the Crown and the Starks have interest in keeping us independent any export monopoly, to soften the blow of the decline
>>3014377this, we can come up with some new invention later
>>3014370If it seems sensible, go with this.>>3014377>>3014396>>3014397So what? We set up infrastructure to sell shit ourselves and then just dont use it for some other goods? Whats the point? If we already set up a Port and Marketplace, might as well use it, no?
>>3014437Money isn't everythingCONECTIONS are worth much more.Nobody likes people who hoard all the info/money/goods for themselves
>>3014447By that logic, why then not give him the monopoly? We get lots of loan money for steam engines and foot the bill for gunpowder to Manderly. Literal win.The point is we give up control over who gets what and how much.
>>3014437Would Good King Bob and / or the Starks see this as a betrayal of our dealings with them? If not, then this seems like too sweet a nut to turn down.On the other hand; if it's going to upset The Crown and the most powerful family in The North then we should decline as respectfully as we can.
>>3014453Presumably Manderly would hash out the details. Plus our prior obligations still exist.
>>3014453Not really. Starks and the Crown both outrank Manderlys, so obviously they wouldn't really be able to tax goods going to them.However pretty much all exports and imports outside of them would end up being handled through White Harbor. Essentially he'd collect taxes for all gun sales and you use his ships, warehouses and connections to circulate the goods.Of course you would lose the ability to pick your customers, but you'd have much larger markets.
>>3014467In that case; I think this is a very tempting offer, especially since we'd be getting some coast-line out of it (it would be nice to no longer be land-locked).
We could set up a gun market in Whiteharbor and sell "civilan" guns.They get a export and we get a way of flogging off old guns
>>3014377This. We're a very creative man and can easily develop something that they'd like to sell: oil lamps, alcohol (we've already got the method, just need the money to start it up) and so on.
>>3014313> Write-inDecline but offer to help him set of a distialley
>>3015333Didn't we make a compass earlier and it was something new & novel?Maybe we could start churning those out to export for Lord Merman? Perhaps set up a jeweller's workshop making nice, decorative-looking, ones?
>>3015528>Maybe we could start churning those out to export for Lord Merman?That is a good point, it would be a good of similar interest and quality to a Myrrish lens. Only ship captains and the occasional noble would look to buy it and even then only after we prove it works.That seems quite like something that this lord would be interested in, seeing as he wants to put his city "on the map" by getting it a special good to sell. Honestly we could just tell him a few alternate goods / industries we could easily develop and see if he wants to invest in any of them.>Perhaps set up a jeweller's workshop making nice, decorative-looking, ones?You just made me remember something: watches and clocks aren't a thing in Westeros. If we were to develop even a simple time piece, it would be a amazing gift to our various superior's and might even grant us some mote of power.Although I must state that clockwork is an amazingly complex art. This would probably take a long time and cost a lot in terms of prototypes.
>>3015609> clockwork is an amazingly complex art.I dunno; a simple verge & foliot escapement shouldn't be too hard to come up with.Don't forget; we just need the timepieces we produce to be more accurate than sundials (and useable at night).
>>3015935>I dunno; a simple verge & foliot escapement shouldn't be too hard to come up with."These early clock-watches were not worn to tell the time. The accuracy of their verge and foliot movements was so poor, with errors of perhaps several hours per day, that they were practically useless. They were made as jewelry and novelties for the nobility, valued for their fine ornamentation, unusual shape, or intriguing mechanism, and accurate timekeeping was of very minor importance."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_watchesI'd hope to do much better than that. If for no other reason than to prove our skills and because these aren't meant to be profitable directly (at least not initially) but rather influence pieces we can trade for favours.If we develop a balance spring, we can reduce the error to roughly 10 minutes per day. At which point a minute hand becomes a possible development, which would certainly entice any lord we might wish to give one to. Plus accurate time keeping will be useful as our industry grows complex.
>>3014377I'm confused. Are you promising to set up an industry to produce another unique product without asking anything in return or are you offering to give him tech for free?In either case, I am going to need specifics.
You guys do realize you are out on this excursion to get more money to set up your own industry?You don't exactly have funds to offer to set up businesses willy nilly.
>>3016287>I'm confused. Are you promising to set up an industry to produce another unique product without asking anything in return or are you offering to give him tech for free?I think what we're saying is basically:"Sorry lad, the crown / Starks wouldn't like that and I've already made promises to them. However I do have other shit in the works if you'd want to take a gander at investing in that.">>3016337>You guys do realize you are out on this excursion to get more money to set up your own industry?Entirely aware.>You don't exactly have funds to offer to set up businesses willy nilly.Well, we have 3200+ Gold dragons which we can turn into 15 wealth and still have a fair amount of gold for our own use. Hardly a large amount but surely enough to establish a minor industry given we can create a Artisan craftsman for 10.Assuming we managed to get an investor to agree to 25% ownership for an equivalent percentage investment, we'd be talking 20 wealth which is enough for 2 such craftsmen. Although I'll admit given the nature of what we are dealing in, that being brand new technology, it is entirely reasonable for these industries to either cost more or take longer to set up.
>>3016389>However I do have other shit in the works if you'd want to take a gander at investing in that.But you don't though? Not at the moment at least.
>>3016389>Well, we have 3200+ Gold dragons which we can turn into 15 wealth and still have a fair amount of gold for our own use. Hardly a large amount but surely enough to establish a minor industry given we can create a Artisan craftsman for 10.Well it's gonna be more like 2200 considering your maesters will be setting up Sulfur Refining operations when you're gone. If you're gonna spend 10 wealth to get an Artisan Craftsman holding, then you'll only have 200 gold left.Basically, you'd be unable to start gun or powder industry in earnest if you promised that with your current funds.
>>3016409Yeah but he doesn't know that and we can quickly develop some things. Given how quickly we can prototype / design and the fact that we've already proven we've got the talent to develop stuff no one else has.>>3016418>Well it's gonna be more like 2200 considering your maesters will be setting up Sulphur Refining operations when you're gone. Haven't we already paid for that? It's been too long for me to remember.>If you're gonna spend 10 wealth to get an Artisan Craftsman holding, then you'll only have 200 gold left.Yeah I know I was mostly showing how our current funds (as I understood them) were sufficient for something like this if we got some (admittedly significant) investment. >Basically, you'd be unable to start gun or powder industry in earnest if you promised that with your current funds.I suppose. Fair enough.
>>3016432So you'd be offering him vague promises of products without even knowing what those products are or without a proof of concept?
If you don't give me either a goal what you're trying to accomplish with offering him vague promises or otherwise be clear on what you're trying to do I have to just veto the part because it seems a bit out of character to just offer tech away without asking anything in return.
>>3016920Offer him that we will immediately build a distillery for booze right now if he invests money right now(we already have this tech so its the only thing on the table we can offer besides guns).We can also make an offer to invest in a future project that we have in mind for the future. Such as canning, autolooms, and industrial forging.Basically give him the option to invest in a booze distillery right now crank out stuff that would put firewine to shame or wait and invest in different project of ours in the future.
>>3016958You never completed the distillery beyond prototype phase
Also there isn't a syrup industry, so you wouldn't have sugar for it anyhow.
>>3016958Yeah this wont work, besides, booze isnt exactly as novel as guns are.And I would refrain from deciding one way or another until we have locked down what we want, precisely.We would gain Manderly money to finish gun(powder) production, allowing us to throw all the extra loan cash we are after into steam engines. Additionally, Manderly handling the distribution would keep our lands a bit more safe from infiltrators. We would lose control over who buys our guns, plus around 10% of the profits. The question now is whether we care who gets our guns (selling to Ned and Crown is still an option, just not to the average Joe) and whether we would need distribution infrastructure for our other products (canned foods and mass-produced plate being good examples), calling into question if we would be better off doing it on our own right now. Also keep in mind that although guns are great, without a war there will be no giant rush to replace existing weapons for expensive new ones.Personally, while the Manderly deal is a great opportunity if we were dealing only in guns, I would personally refrain from the deal, albeit reluctantly, since our future products will probably need separate infrastructure to sell, unless we fully commit to Manderly. Caveat being that we will be hard-pressed for cash for the next few years with two massive debts unless we can find great targets to sell guns to, Essos merc bands, local hunters, nobles etc. being options. I would also like to hear more examples of potential customers from ano here, since if we go at it alone we will need to seriously think through this issue.
Changing >>3014397 my vote to:>Sounds like a good deal even if I'd become Manderly's bannerman.The man's not an idiot, I can't really see him selling huge quantities of guns to enemies of us or the north, or just generally shady fuckers. We need some serious investment to get proper manufacturing up and running, which he is prepared to give us, and we'll then be making a profit which we can invest in further projects.
Sorry for the short update> I must regrettably decline that offer. "Generous as the offer is, I must regrettably decline."The Fat Lord draws a deep breath and lets out a disappointed sigh through his nostrils."I suppose it's a bit hasty." He pours himself some more wine."After all we haven't exactly known each other for very long and you've been a Lord less than a year.However, I do hope you will remember my offer should you run into problems in the future.""I shall remember your words. But for now, I think I shall try to have a go at it on my own.""As you will. If you'd stay the night, I can offer you a room until you continue your journey.""Now that offer, I can most certainly accept."Wyman shakes the wine jar"Since you're not riding anymore, how about it?""Oh don't mind if I do."He pours a cup for you and you give it a whiff and a taste."Pentoshi, I take it?""The Man knows his wines.""Not much of a wine bibber truth be told, but I ended up visiting Pentos at one point and I sure as shit wasn't going to drink the water without boiling it.""I think you should know that Airis has been asking after you.""You can tell her I haven't exactly progressed in the matter of hunting down those who betrayed her house. I am keeping an ear out, but there's an obvious divide of class and culture between me and the smallfolk and I've not the funds to set up a secret police or a spy network for this specific task nor do I have the manpower to send my riders for a wild goose chase.""Well, I think she'll be happy to hear that you've not forgotten her. Still, I am curious, what made you agree to her plea? Was it purely charity or do you fancy her?">I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.>It was neither. It is always worthy cause to hunt down murderers and looters.>Well, she isn't bad looking truth be told.>Maybe I do, but as a Lord, I don't exactly have the same liberties regarding to marriage.>Write-in
>>3017206>>I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.>>It is the duty of the Lord to enforce the King's Peace. Damn the bandits, and the oathbreakers who slew her family, doubly so!
>>3017206>I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.>It was neither. It is always worthy cause to hunt down murderers and looters.Great to get rid of looters and establish fair law. Also plays into our savagery-averse disposition.
>>3017206>I think she still deserves to receive some justice, especially now that she has lost all. Besides, it is always a worthy cause to hunt down murderers and looters.
>>3017206>>>I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.>>>It is the duty of the Lord to enforce the King's Peace. Damn the bandits, and the oathbreakers who slew her family, doubly so!
>>3017206I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.>Maybe I do, but as a Lord, I don't exactly have the same liberties regarding to marriage.marrying her might not be the best idea but its not out of the table
>>3017214Supporting this.With just a touch of>Well, she isn't bad looking truth be told.
>>3017206>I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.
>>3017508>>3017521You realise you are doing exactly what Robb was doing? Thinking with your dick instead of your brain. FFS you have multiple reasons why she is shite and none for why we should bother and you STILL persist with this shit. Cut it out already or we will face a Red Wedding of our own.
>>3017629I can't see Arisis turning out to be some scheming gold-digger or something. I think she's a sweet girl and we could do a lot worse marrying some ruthless Lady Macbeth type just because we can climb a rung or two on the social ladder.
>>3018155And neither did Robb think Talisa would betray her, and she didnt, even, but they all still got killed because Robb was thinking with his dick. Choosing a wench because tits is dumb as fuck man.
>>3018832especially when you can have tits on the side...
>>3018840Especially when qm confirmed turning 100 while still a virgin would net us real wizad powers.
>>3019020To be fair, if that is the case we should just take a vow of celibacy or marry any rich / powerful lesbian we can get our hands on (ironically, to avoid getting hands on).
>I think she still deserves to receive some justice. Especially now that she has lost all.>It is always worthy cause to hunt down murderers and looters.You've always felt very strongly about the scum of the earth getting away with slap on the wrist whilst people who merely defend themselves and their families were subjected to extreme scrutiny and prejudice by the biased courts. "I do pity her for losing everything and I do think that she deserves to receive justice, but I do feel rather strongly about murderers, looters and their ilk in general and if I am in the position to do them harm, I believe it's my duty to do so."He smiles and takes a bit of wine."So it was out of your sense of justice then?"You do a shrug and continue"Well, that and spite towards such men. Though it's not as if there's not a pragmatic reason behind it as well. If my neighbors have problems with criminals, that affects me as well. The Better off my neighbors are, the more they produce, which means cheaper prices overall, which means more wealth for me."He nods in approval"A Merchant's mindset. I suppose a man who did some merchant work would learn to hate criminals.""Not my words truth be told. It was mentioned in one of the lectures in the Citadel."You try to take a sip off your cup, but notice it's empty."Well, I'm empty. I think I should retire for the day. I fully expect my riders to have found me ship come morning and I'd rather be well rested when we take off again.""Of course Lord Tallon, I do hope you will find the time to join us for breakfast.""I wouldn't miss it Lord Manderly."Next day, Lucan came to you with news of having procured a passage on a cargo fleet of longships. Not too dissimilar to the one you were sailing with when you ended up showing the Mountain Clans of Vale the true path to Jannah.You hope this trip isn't going to turn the same way as that one. Turns out that blowing yourself up doesn't get you 72 virgins and you'd rather not fall for that meme again.>Give me some 1d100'sFirst is for weather.Second is whether you encounter any wildlings or criminals.Third one is a mystery
Rolled 69, 25, 78 = 172 (3d100)>>3019115leeeeroy
>>3019125So we get decent weather, encounter wildlings / bandits and have a good roll for the mystery.Overall, very good. Given fighting isn't too risky for us and rewards us / our men with combat experience (plus the potential for loot!).
>>3019072Or just marry when we're older, which is pretty feasable as a noble.
>>3019130True but the main reason we want marriage currently is for connections, money, claims or other such things. To accelerate our rise, given our current limiters are our lack of lands, funds and relative distance from any sorts of political power.I mean, fundamentally, heirs are quite useless to us given our own functional immortality. At least until we find a way to take over their bodies and thus delay our timeline getting reset although at that point we might just become a body-thief.
Rolled 22, 32, 70 = 124 (3d100)>>3019115Rollan, rollan, rollan: - https://youtu.be/AKC8pSFg1Vw
I didn't ask for 3d100, did I?
Rolled 98, 61, 64, 18, 83, 80, 24, 98, 100, 24, 43, 41, 100, 7, 96, 40, 6, 66, 78, 15, 17, 49, 31, 1, 91 = 1331 (25d100)>>3019258Right you said some
>>3019258>first is for weather>second if whether you encounter any wildlings or criminals>third one is a mystery
Rolled 61, 17, 25 = 103 (3d100)>>3019115
Rolled 20 (1d100)>>3019258You said roll 'some' D100s, then gave us three things for which to roll. Rolling 3D100s isn't an unreasonable assumption.However; if you only wanted us to roll 1D100 each; here's my contribution.
>>3019269Well, I'll just take the first roll then if you're so insistent on having that.
>>3019311It's not best out of 3
Rolled 92, 100 = 192 (2d100)>>3019115
Rolled 983239914291 (1d1000000000000)>>3019115
Rolled 88, 23, 91, 7, 63, 1, 83, 76, 12, 86, 80, 45, 4, 57, 56, 99, 29, 7, 1, 78, 27, 66, 35, 36, 3 = 1153 (25d100)>>3019115
Wildlings attack, everybody dies
Rolled 20 (1d100)>>3020711rolling for reincarnation
Also since it occurs to me that these aren't listed in our character sheet pastebin and they are kinda important, here are all of our maester links:1 Link of Iron for the study of Warfare1 Link of Pewter for the study of Carpentry2 Links of Red Gold for the study of Alchemy2 Links of Brass for the study of Architecture6 Links of Yellow Gold for Mathematics and Geometry9 Links of Pale Steel for smithing and understanding of metals.
>>3020860You fail the roll. Thanks for playing.
>>3021182But my lifetime supply of chocolate!
Also reading over the old threads I noticed something interesting. We received 100 books from our old Maester friend. All introductory manuals from the initiates section admittedly, so their value is limited but only within a certain range of the Citadel where copies are easily available. One which we arguably now fall outside of by a significant margin.If we can get our hands on the right materials, we could produce these and other books by constructing a printing machine. Although the Conclave would potentially attempt to kill us for this, if we were smart about it they may fail to find out. If nothing else they should cover the basics of at least a few subjects we lack experience in, so those should be worth our time given knowing even the basics of poison could save our lives while the rest should be at least a little profitable to sell (assuming we don't create a private library and then allow access in return for a fee or something).Another thing I noticed was that our current Steward, the one whom hates the Conclave, has multiple links in astrology. Something we entirely lack and would significantly benefit from assuming we ever captain another ship and lack a compass.We could construct a observatory, as listed under the (Out of strife, prosperity) system, for him to study the stars in. Although the mechanical benefits of this are small (+1 to House fortune rolls, however if we consider the Steward to be a "noted astronomer" as the pdf puts it then we also gain +5 wealth...assuming I'm understanding this right which is possibly faulty), it would be prestigious to be one of the few lords in the north with such a facility and could provide us with another way to produce new learned literature to trade for favours with the Citadel / sell for money.
>>3021300Maester Tobias isn't the Steward anymore since you got Maester Manrel who is a lot better at the business.Also no, you don't gain 5 wealth. It normally costs 5 wealth to recruit a noted astronomer. However, since Maester Tobias is already a notably skilled Astronomer, you could act as if he were such.However, he also counts as a scholar anyway so there really isn't a mechanical difference. It would however make him like you more if you did get an observatory where he could continue his studies.
>>3021488Yeah to be entirely honest I've been kinda fucked for sleep the last few days. I did notice when I read it through again that it costed five but I'd already posted. Besides that though, I was correct?Also would I be correct in assuming that screw making in westeros is as primitive as 1400's europe for the most part if not entirely?
>>3021300The Citadel would likely not kill us because we were making a couple books for our peons, might get pissy if we started large-scale book publishing, but thats something for another time. Opening up a public library though, very good idea if we want to not only increase the average education of the peasant, but also win the hearts of the people. Only question being, how do we teach illiterate peasants to read without crippling their production value?As to the observatory, sure, seems neat, however we currently lack the funds and any value it would generate would probably be navigational equipment, which would also take time, especially if we want Toby to keep an eye on the other Maesters.
>>3021503Well, more or less.Screws in general are rarely if ever used in Westeros in any capacity and primarily in Reach as the screw mechanism is utilized in the higher quality wine presses.Use of screws for fastening things is almost nonexistent.In fact, when it comes to making screws, nuts and bolts it's safe to say you're pretty much the best there is in Westeros. Very few if any outside of you should be able to actually make a screw that matches a threading made somewhere else without constant trial and error or plenty of wiggle room.
>>3021556>Only question being, how do we teach illiterate peasants to read without crippling their production value?We don't, probably, maybe once we're more setup and have industry where being able to read would be useful but even then given we're breaking new ground in many ways, existing books won't help and a more hands-on learning approach would have benefits for getting production underway sooner. I was thinking more so about making it available to the merchant families and other richer townfolk under us in return for a small (relative to getting their own books) fee. Especially given if we can get a printer running, as that means we can produce extra copies, ensuring not only that everyone has access but that we're not at risk of losing any.>As to the observatory, sure, seems neat, however we currently lack the funds and any value it would generate would probably be navigational equipment, which would also take time, especially if we want Toby to keep an eye on the other Maesters.True I suppose. We might consider just keeping a guard of ours outside our office or locking anything sensitive inside of a lockbox. >>3021581Well that is good. As historically nails were, like you say, rarely used where it could be avoided to the point whereby people in the US during colonial times burned down their houses to get them out if they were moving. To the point a law was passed stopping them from doing so.I mostly ask as we could quite possibly revolutionise the industry with relatively little effort. In much the same way as we could for essentially any area where a knowledge of fairly simple mechanical devices would greatly reduce labour.Although to be honest, that shit can wait for later as much as I think we might make a good profit in it. Once we've gotten powder set up and designed a steam engine or two worth it's weight in silver.
>>3021602Yea, if you made a nail factory, I'd imagine that would be quite profitable as nails take time to hammer out the traditional way and there's really never enough of them.Medieval age is primarily the age of wood after all.From peasants to shipmakers and from soldiers to kings. Everyone needs nails to some capacity be it Night's Watch or King's Landing.
>>3021842Yep. The main problem is the methods of manufacturing come in three semi-distinct stages: traditional (current), renaissance and industrial.Essentially, the elimination of the first stage of the process where metal bars are converted into sheets of a particular thickness is industrialised and automated with little to no difficulty by use of a pair of rollers between which the metal may be fed after heating it to a pliable state.The second stage, converting these sheets into nail-rods (these being slivers of metal of the right size and shape but lacking the details of a nail like the head) is about as complex: the metal plate is heated and passed between a roller this time with in-built blades or divots that separate the thin sheet into appropriately lengthened pieces of metal.Only problem is that at this stage you've just turned the metal plate into multiple metal plates of the correct length. However a insanely simple solution exists: the second roller has regular indentations in it's surface which result in the metal nail-rods being connected by a much thinner section of metal that can be cut through without issue either by hand or by a further stage of automation or potentially even separates the nail-rods entirely before dropping them down into a bin or chute depending on how well the rollers sync up (e,g the longer a production run, being optimised at the end of every shift, the better the precision).In theory you could do the process with one set of rollers, assuming the metal was able to remain pliable long enough and it fed well. However considering that the material may need to be sent through stage one multiple times if it proves particularly resistant, having two separate sets of rollers is probably for the best.Whats even cooler is that past this stage you can even use these nail-rods to potentially start the mass production of screws! Something makes the expense and rarity of nails seem blase given they required a laborious process to add a good spiral to them. Although admittedly at that point we're getting into the realm of things achieved in the late 1700's to 1800 exactly. Depending on if you accept supposedly early versions of nail-making lathes however, the answer becomes complicated as although machines existed to produce nails, they were complex and temperamental, primarily used by those servicing the rich (who cared for quality, making the regularity of machines useful but did not care for quantity, rendering the developments somewhat scattered and useless).
>>3021921Why not just make a thick steel wire which we cut and shape with presses/heat?
>>3021974That is one of the more modern methods. Why? Honestly I don't know.What I do know is the method I am describing was used as early as 1590. The one you are suggesting is first mentioned being used in 1863. A separate of 273 years convinces me that there must have been a reason for this to be the case.Strangely I can find mention of a wire mill in the UK existing around about 1568 yet it then goes on to say that despite this, wire continued to be produced by hand rather than by mill.
You'd think a thread with 71 distinct ID's would be a bit more active.
>>3022256Mostly we tend to be active when Rad posts; there's only so much pontificating we can do without feedback or input from the Q.M..I do like your idea about setting up some sort of mass-production line for nails and / or screws, though.
>>3021974I always imagined swaging and wire drawing being the sort of work that it would require a rather specialized mill to do it to pull the wire without breaking it.Can't imagine pinmaking having been a highly competitive industry back then.
>>3022412Wasn't pin making one of the first things t be industrialised? I know we have a scene depicting 'the division of labour within pin manufacturing' on £20 notes, as well as the face of the man responsible for it.
>>3022368>Mostly we tend to be active when Rad posts; there's only so much pontificating we can do without feedback or input from the Q.M..Fair enough. I just really enjoy discussing this side of things.>I do like your idea about setting up some sort of mass-production line for nails and / or screws, though.Yeah, it's a market which we can automated fairly easily, requires common resources and is commonly wanted. It's like the perfect industry for us to expand into once we've got powder and gun production started. Especially given how establishing a significant iron-industry in our lands will help reduce the cost of such goods by ensuring a large supply of material is constantly flowing through and that many skilled craftsmen are ready to work.To be honest I'm also considering what the best order for us to develop these techniques and facilities is. Given developing cheap nails would make construction as a whole cheaper / faster yet an actual improvement in furnace technology, improving burning temperatures or providing a more efficient burn (although the two are pretty much one and the same) would make all metal working cheaper and would be easier to integrate if developed before such facilities are built.One thing I found, just in case we can't develop the Bessemer process: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puddling_(metallurgy)Essentially a fairly simple process for turning pig iron into malleable "bar iron", an early form of wrought iron. Interestingly a variant of this process was still in use as late as the 1890's so if nothing else I can promise it remains a viable source of good metal for a long period of industrialisation.Admittedly developing this would potentially be about as difficult but still, having a viable alternative is useful if nothing else just for the sake of redundancy.
>>3022426>Wasn't pin making one of the first things t be industrialised? 1828 according to this site saw the first machine that could mass produce pins rather than the more traditional "manufactory" methods.https://www.discoverupholstery.co.uk/blog/history-of-pin-making/
>>3022437Well, Bessemer shouldnt be too hard, considering our pretty good know-how and assuming we get decent steam engines going.As to nails, if we have the wire its trivial, dont even need heat. And we can get wire by rolling steel, also not very hard (although that does require heat).But all this hinges on getting steam engines going. Another big question is whether we want to mine all the ore ourselves (extra investment) or ship it in from somewhere (pig iron) which we the Bessemer Convert into consistent quality steel and lots of it.
Also given our links in Architecture, carpentry, metal-working and stone-working are we not skilled enough to be considered an "engineer" as described in the Engineer personage? I understand we can't dedicate our time to managing a construction full time but I mostly ask because even if we needed to actively focus a month of our time at the start of a construction on building to get the benefit, it is still somewhat useful for some of the higher cost buildings.Just one of those things that occurred to me because OP mentioned Tobias would count as a "Scholar" personage.
>>3022659Again though, I honestly don't know how feasible wire is, I primarily rely on what was historically achieved for the most part because it is, if nothing else, hard evidence it was done rather than a theoretical "could" have been done.>But all this hinges on getting steam engines going. Another big question is whether we want to mine all the ore ourselves (extra investment) or ship it in from somewhere (pig iron) which we the Bessemer Convert into consistent quality steel and lots of it.We do have a mine in our lands but god help me if I can remember what it produces. As to importing, it will probably be a necessity at first depending on how productive the converter is but after we start getting profits from the steel, I'd suggest integrating existing or starting new iron mines to reduce running costs by eliminating a middle man.After that it becomes a question of eliminating as many other middle men as possible: constructing a fleet of trade ships to transport ore, fuel and steel (potentially even turned into finished goods); creating charcoal burners and other fuel sources; investing in ways to process good quality steel into valuable exports like pickaxe, shovel, axe, hammer and chisel heads (some of which we in turn supply to our supplying industries, reducing their running costs and potentially raising productivity).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COty6_oDEkkAlso, since we were discussing clocks earlier and I considered other possible applications of tiny mechanisms that we can trade off as influence pieces to our superiors or for insane profits. The concept of creating music boxes came to mind.Given our exceptional knowledge of metalworking creating the materials shouldn't be too hard. It's mostly going to be the labour intense nature and trial + error to get it sounding right / working reliably. I'm thinking we make one that is about the size of a dinner plate and maybe half of an A4 piece of paper tall with a dozen interchangeable song disks, cards or cylinders.If nothing else it would be a good project to develop our understanding of fine mechanics and would provide us something to do while we wait for our various investments to return a profit, depending on how quickly they take and how quickly we can clear off our other research goals.
Oh cool this quest is back.If you want something that would really impress the north show these guys some high quality heating show them a stove.Even a crappy stove design would still be leaps and bounds way more efficient then a fireplace.Hmm now im thinking we could also sell swamp coolers to arid hot places. Only hard part would be how the fan/blower would work.