On the last episode of Planetary Governor Quest>Leidang rallies the PDF and retakes their HQ from the sieging tyranids>You rally the House Guard to save the Mechanicus form a Dark Eldar raid>Right before you are overwhelmed, the Dark Eldar leave, and the Magos goes missing…>You are now heading to the Lower Hives to clear out the last genestealer incursionThe situation looks...bleak. Genestealers, purestrains and hybrids are piled high in pyres that fill the air with a cloying smoke. The Arbites don’t fare much better though. Few are the Arbites without injury, the wounded placing their dead into body bags and piling them up in a corner while the severely injured wait for treatment from an overworked medicae using a wrecked Rhino transport as a field clinic. Arbites, Judicators, and various gangers sporting an array of tattoos and guns that have seen better days set up gun emplacements and traps along the alleyways. Your vox-pick ups hear the chatter of the gangers near the elevator “See what you do is take a can of that Mechanicus treated ‘nid meat, fry it up, put it in the batter of your flour ration, and bake it for an hour, and that’s how ya get a Ripper ‘scuit” explains a man that looks like a stunted orc, with jutting metal teeth replacing his originals, red ocular implants for eyes, and an arm replaced with a heavy rotating autocannon, belt and power fed to the weapon via two separate hoses snaking to a boxy looking package strapped to his back. He notices your band, and somehow manages to whistle for the Arbites leader, at least you assume is the leader, to come forward. A tall man, resplendent in gilded carapace that has seen better days strides towards you, flanked by two officers that look fresh from the academy, holding their shotguns like they were lifebuoys, the haunted looks on their faces telling you those weapons may be the only reason they are still alive. “Who authorized the use of the Elevator? Low-Canton is under quarantine until the genestealer infestation is contained!”“With respect to your position” The company lieutenant says glancing at the man’s badge “Arbitrator Krenshaw, but we’re here as a relief force. Order of the governor.”“This quarantine was established by High Marshall Krent. The law is the law.” Krenshaw replies flatly.“I don’t think your quarantine is going to last another assault. It’d be better if we reinforced it.”“Return to the Mid-Canton”>Hand the vox to High Marshall Krent, let Arbites settle Arbites>Flash your governor seal through the skull’s hololith>Other
>>2532442>>Hand the vox to High Marshall Krent, let Arbites settle ArbitesNo sense in stepping on toes here.
>>2532442>Hand the vox to High Marshall KrentLet's see the High Marshall's take on the matter. We can always step in if it goes sideways.
>>2532442>Hand the vox to High Marshall Krent, let Arbites settle Arbites
>>2532442>Flash your governor seal through the skull’s hololithIt looks as though you're close to being overwhelmed. I am here to support you, Arbitrator Krenshaw.
>>2532482>>2532516>>2533113>>2533222>Hand the vox to High Marshall Krent, let Arbites settle ArbitesRubbing your head, you thrust the vox into Krent’s hands. “Deal with it” you mutter and step out to get some air. It’s only been a few hours, yet it feels like you’ve been dealing with this nunk for weeks now, and you are ready to shoot someone. The moment you step out, medicae and nurses swamp you, poking, and prodding, and trying to connect you to diagnositcam devices. You waves them all away and retreat back into the command post. Throne on Terra, you can’t get a moment’s peace!When you return, Krent returns the vox to you, a much cowed Arbitrator speaking to you.”“...what do you wish of us governor?”>What’s the situation?>How are your forces?>Here’s my plan [skip to battle and plan layout]
>>2533437>>What’s the situation?>>How are your forces?
>>2533437>>What’s the situation?>>How are your forces?"Krent... Status report."
>>2533437>Krent returns the vox to you, a much cowed Arbitrator speaking to you.You have nothing to worry about Arbitrator. I understand that you have been stressed while the Hive has been killing itself.>What’s the situation?>How are your forces?We need to know these two before we can formulate a cohesive plan.
>>2533437>What’s the situation?>How are your forces?
>>2533445>>2533451>>2533466>>2533481>>2533501“You have nothing to worry about Arbitrator. I understand that you have been stressed while the Hive has been killing itself” you placate the man. If he was calmed at all, he’s hiding it remarkably well. “Update me on what has happened down here.”Krenshaw turns to his men and dismisses them with a nod. He makes a slight gesture and the gangers with their guns aimed at you lower them, walking off. He walks towards your servo-skull, sighing. “We are at the breaking point. The heretics know these roads better than us, and can travel through the sewer pipes just as fast. They’ve been hitting every weakpoint in our line and sapping us of supplies and manpower. We’ve cleaned out the cells to press the gangers into service and cleared the evidence locker of every weapon to arm them, but even now we’re barely holding on. I honestly think this has just been probing. Every attack was sudden, without warning, and then they fall back far too quickly.>How are your forces?He turns to the rabble manning the stations around every junction. “What you see is what we have.”Arbites officers intermixed with gangers from the Powerliches, the Sumpstains, and the Irongut Clan, manning shoddy looking Heavy Stubber nests and lines of stubbers, autoguns, and shotguns hidden behind walls of sandbags, debris, and corpses. Everyone has a gun, few don’t have a bandage, stitch, or some form of hastily patched injury.>The Arbites is in a weakened state. The combined forces are:>2 Heavy Stubber nests>1 gun lineAs far as you can tell, there are 3 different alleys the genestealers can come from, but that doesn’t even begin to account for the sewers, and Emperor knows how many of those have an exit nearby...
>>2533817Can we collapse the nearby sewers so that they can't use them, thus forcing them into 3 different kill zones?
>>2533817what if we fill the sewers with promethian or flamable gasses then light the whole thing on fire?
>>2533860>>2533905Minimizing collateral damage would be nice.Perhaps we can simply flood the sewers?
>>2533817Put grenade/shell traps and razor-wire in the sewers, erecting barricades, posting gun emplacements and teams of skitarii and rust-stalkers in there to create choke points and hard barriers. If we get the chance, we'll push forward and start taking them.I'm certain those gangers know how to rig a Vietnam-style tripwire trap with an unexploed bolter shell or something similar.Using tunnels to move around and support each other is a good Guard tactic if we take the sewers later.Position a mix of mortar and heavy weapons teams in areas where they can manage overwatch and create kill-zones to approaches, preferably in buildings and with advantageous vantage points.Reinforce the gun line and position the vehicles in areas where they can quickly move to support any potential breaks.Use the sentinel to do a little scouting and see if we can determine their likely approach angles. Put down more ganger scum rigged traps in those directions, marked clearly so we don't detonate them, and dig in.Unless we need to march forward and take something. Do we need to march forward and take something?
>>2534127>Put grenade/shell traps and razor-wire in the sewers, erecting barricades, posting gun emplacements and teams of skitarii and rust-stalkers in there to create choke points and hard barriers. If we get the chance, we'll push forward and start taking them.>>2533817I think what we need to do is use hight to our advantage. This seems like a defensive scenario.Try to move the gun nests to upper floors of buildings; heavy bolters / heavy stubbers. Control the entrances with snare-mines made from frags. Use Arbites and Gangers to fire from window slits. Reenforce them with Lightning Company. Put the mortar teams on the roof.Sit Angry Ambull inside a bombed building if there are any. Protect it with Skitarii Unit Gamma. For now it'll just act as an emplaced battle cannon, considering it needs repairs. Any repair teams are to stay with them, if any of the Skatarii have the tech use skill they can aid repairs, but only as long as they dont come under attack themselves. Protect them with a gunline from Thunder company. All gunlines make hasty barricades. This is our fire base. Make a gunline of Bulwark & Dagger w/ their Hellhound. Their job is to counter attack any weaknesses in the lines of the enemy. They are to protect the Hellhound as it advances to wash out buildings with flame. They are to be supported with Combat Servitors with heavier weapons and the Sentinel. Their job is to take out anything that tries to target the Hellhound while it does its job. They are to enact this plan, only once the enemy has reached maximum streangth. They are the spear head.>For the Arbites:>Mortar teams, heavy bolters:>>Thunder Company(under strength; reinforcing) 200/250>>Lightning Company (under strength; reinforcing) 180/250>>Bulwark Company 250/250>Scouting/infantry spotting:>>Eagle’s Reach (Sentinel; fully operational)>Heavy support:>>Angry Ambull (Leman Russ; undergoing repairs)>>Combat Servitors (Kataphron and improvised) 205/205>>Dagger Company w/ Hellhound support 250/250>Heavy infantry:>>Skitarii Unit Gamma 250/250
Cool, time to wreck some nids
>>2534127+1Barricades along the gun line would help
>>2536541Barricades along the gun line are probably a good idea, the gangers may not hold without them.
I vote we should send the Rust Stalkers out as a hit and run force to trick the genestealer into following them through alleys and roads we'll have booby trapped
>>2537634We dont have any rust stalkers. Their with the Shield of Canton team. Get ready to make lemonade.
>>2537641Good point, thanks for the reminder,>>2534127Skitarii in the tunnels, not rust stalkers.
>>2537682>Skitarii in the tunnels, not rust stalkers.I question the wizdom of sending one of our strongest infantry units into the tunnels. Its clear that the tunnels are the enemies domain. We should draw them out into our domain with clear lanes of fire.Also you are sending our strongest ranged infantry into close quarters. The stealers can stay in their tunnels for all i care. Just as long as they leave the elivator alone until the rest of the hive is cleared and we can re-enforce.
>>2532442>“See what you do is take a can of that Mechanicus treated ‘nid meat, fry it up, put it in the batter of your flour ration, and bake it for an hour, and that’s how ya get a Ripper ‘scuit”We really need to research if this is whats causing all the genestealers.
>>2537696So this was just me misreading the QM's post and thinking there were only three sewer tunnels, in which case I had every intention of blocking them up and turning them into killzones.Since it's three alleys and an unknown number of tunnels I'll amend my plan to trap the tunnels and barricade the alleys to create more killzones.>draw them out...clear lines of fireI'm uncertain that we have clear lines of fire, though we can certainly try it. However, if they're coming from a particular direction (sewers, alleys) and we make it untenable for them to approach from that direction without coming face to face with heavy guns, we can force them to move into the battlefield from a direction of our choice. This would be ideal.As such, I suggest that we trap anything we can, collapse any tunnels we can't cover easily, and put the Skitarii inside our lines on a high vantage point to enable them to pivot and kill anything that gets past our cordon.
>>2534127>>2536396Alright, doing this then. Drawing and writing...
>>2537962You relay your instructions to Krenshaw, and he in turn starts barking orders to the assembled fighters. Gangers groan as they undo their heavy stubbers and carrying them up to the hastily erected wall made of flakboard strips of air-car metal, affixing the heavy weapons to the parapets while arbites still able to hold a weapon take up firing positions in the upper floors of the surrounding habs.The PDF and gangers start setting up mines and traps along the roads, and known sewer tunnels, in some cases, the gangers use volatile plasma cells and bolter rounds, rigging them to drop and explode on intruders that break the tripwire emplacements. Those that couldn’t be trapped have their covers welded shut and heavy supplies planted over them as your own soldiers scramble to take positions. PDF and Guard head to roofs and upper floors to create overlapping lanes of fire into the roads below while the Angry Ambull trudges into a corner giving it a perfect view of every possible entrance, the heavy vehicle covered by the Skitarri. The mortar team could not find a proper roof to set up on that didn’t provide a reliable line of fire so they set up on the elevator behind the barricade, entrenched behind the wreck of a destroyed Tractor and the Dozer-Trac that pushed it there.Bulwark and Dagger companies set up a line of auto and lasguns along the abandoned barricade, prepared to unleash hell on anything that enters their crosshairs. Behind them sits the hellhound, hoses checked, and flamethrower primed, flanked by Combat servitors hooked directly to your feed via vox implants.Eagle’s Reach takes up position in a hastily repaired section of the wall, plugging the gap with its size, and prepared to either move forward or retreat. Confirm setup….
>>2538231Looks good I thing
>>2538231I'll restrain from nit picking. Theres a decent amount of adaptability and redundancy. Lets see how it holds up.
>>2538231I'm confused about the unit to the north in blue, is that the mortar team on the elevator?What are the triangles with the red and blue cogs inside them, are those our servitors?The only thing I'm troubled by is the vulnerability of the sentinel. I'd kind of prefer if it was less exposed and more able to scout, but I guess this is an urban brawl.
>>2538301From the text it looks like blue cog is the skitarii and red cogs are the servitors
>>2538246>>2538291Auspex starts to ping on the Servitors. Movement coming from the east...rating 10. 20. 50. 70. 100+ coming fast.
>>2539305Hellhound group. Engage overwatch. Be ready to move when ordered.(i have to sleep now.)
>>2539305is this a side PoV?
>>2539707It looks like a top-down point of view. We've already positioned the units. Now we have to defend.>>2539305Im back!Get ready for one of the units by B to move to the right by C to reenforce if they cannot deal with the amount of forces.
>>2540471>Get ready for one of the units by B to move to the right by C to reenforce if they cannot deal with the amount of forces.They're all on top of buildings. They're mostly set up to shoot down into the streets. And I think there are explosive traps on the ground in those areas.
>>2539707It's top-down. The tank is portrayed sideways to make it clear what it is on the map.
The traps in position E go dark. The trap was sprung as you hear a 'thump' and dust getting thrown into the air as what sounds like a leman russ having sex with a chainsword grinds out of the alleyway.
>>2542251Moments later pieces of a burning transport come rolling out. Through the dust and smoke, figures emerge. The smoke from the burning transport obscures them.>Enemy unidentified. Smoke incurs -20 penalty>Auspex identifies movement southwards
>>2542254Sentinel to fire at transport remains with lascannon in hopes of setting off a secondary explosion and shredding the enemy with shrapnel.Mortars to bombard the position of the transport and nearby enemy.Units in line of sight to shoot south of position D in hopes of suppression of inbound enemy.Other units with line of sight to fire on enemy near position C in hopes of suppression, including hellhound, leman russ, servitors, heavy stubber nest, guard formation, etc.
>>2542393Want to add a roll to that?
Rolled 88 (1d100)>>2542393
Rolled 2 (1d100)>>2542631The lascannon hits an unseen magazine, the cooked off munitions creating a dozen smaller explosions that shred nearby targets, and flush the rest out of cover. Gangers and Guard alike cut down anything that moves in a hail of metal. A second transport triggers trap array D.
>>2542712The transport that hits Trap Array D is less fortunate than its predecessor. Melta charges reduce it and its passengers to glowing slag.The surviving cultists stumble from the fire in an attempt to find cover and head for the hole where the Sentinel is. Unfortunately they don't notice Trap Array C. An instant later the area is covered in a red mist and tatters of cloth.Auspex says more movement coming from the south.
>>2542730If mortar or any other teams have them. Fire canisters of poisonous or debilitating canisters down the south choke points
Rolled 18 (1d100)>>2542730
>>2542750Well it's still better than a two
Rolled 61 (1d100)>>2542730>>2542730Fire down the alley that trap array B is in.Someone at the former sites of trap arrays C and D (the men on the buildings) need to get some makeshift trap arrays or just some explosives, unexploded munitions, whatever, and lower them down into the alleys on ropes as a means to restock those trap arrays. Det-cord (from the FFG Only War game, standard guard gear) would be ideal.Hell, a cable or chain trap strung between the buildings to fuck up transports would be ideal. Have it lying on the ground until the transport's in view, then pull it taut when it nears, too close for it to halt.If they can string monofilament between the buildings, that'd be grand.
Rolled 82, 19 = 101 (2d100)>>2542930Lasfire and solid slugs are sent flying down alley B. The front row of genestealers, the second row holding up Arbites Riot shields and sheet metal to protect themselves.The sounds of fire keep the other fighters in their place, no time to set up new traps. Mutants spill into the southeast alleyway, their numbers diminished, but not decimated by the roof fighters.
>>2542970The genestealers protecting the truck throw themselves into the trap, the detonation scorching the hybrids to a crisp. The transport powers through, lasfire and autgun slugs pattering off its reinforced hull. The other genestealers stumble, right in time with the death of their compatriots. They seem disoriented, presenting clear targets to the gunners.
>>2542983shit I twitched and hit the post button
Rolled 46, 21, 83, 79, 53, 31, 93, 28, 5, 43 = 482 (10d100)>>2542986I don't remember how many guys we have, so I'm just gonna roll.The walker thing with the big laser Cannon will melt the transport to scrap.The disoriented group will be hit by shatter or whoever.Can we reposition the hellhound so it has a clear line of fire down one of the alleys?
Rolled 19, 67, 14, 58, 66, 33, 66, 81, 44, 9 = 457 (10d100)>>2542986Seconding >>2543050 and adding more details.Units to engage targets of opportunity.Mortar teams to fire on enemy.Sentinel to direct lascannon fire to oncoming transport.Tank to fire battle cannon on vehicle if it emerges from near alley, otherwise engage targets of opportunity.Heavy stubber nests seem to have clear shots, as do servitors and skitarii. They are to take them.Rooftop troops should be opening up and using grenades when feasible.
May want to save the grendades
I always seem to miss when this quest gets updates
>>2543221>>2543252Agreed.You guys want to link to the posts you're supporting and roll 10d100? OP will likely take best of.>>2543271Hey, you got here in time for this one! You want to roll for the plan you support?
Rolled 18, 77, 60, 79, 93, 86, 34, 86, 65, 26 = 624 (10d100)>>2542986To be absolutely clear. The hellhound will stay where it is, untill enemy units become thick in the killzone outside the 3 alleyways where A is.>>2543221>>2543193+1 to this, adding detail.Conserve grenades for now. We have them where we want them.Use the mortars on alleyway B instead of grenades. Theres less chance of hitting the side buildings.Angry Ambuls battle cannon is ready. If it has a front mounted lascannon, get that ready too.
>>2543578Mortars aren't that great for anti-vehicle work, why waste them on the vehicle near trap array B?
>>2543578I loke this, also, just arrived from the archives
Rolled 33, 33 = 66 (2d100)>46 The Sentinel moves out of cover to get a better line of sight with the hauler. It fires its underslung lascannon, punching a hole through the side, but not killing the vehicle. >77The mortar team fires at the most available target: The hauler. A direct hit knocks off some of the reinforcing scrap, and smoke starts to billow from the hull.>83The Heavy stubber teams open fire on the staggered hybrids. A dozen fall before they scatter, and they start to return fire.>79Skitarii join the fullisade and the first ranks of the hybrids are decimated.
>>2544759>33The Transport moves up and is rocked by Angry Ambull's overwatch shot. The transport teeters and is disabled. But like a nest of baby spiders emerging from an egg, genestealer purestrains rip through the armored hull, taking chunks of the downed vehicle and using them as shields.>33In a last show of defiance, the hybrids lob a score of grenades into the stubber nest. Most undershoot their target and patter off the wall, but one manages to make it over, and it's live!The auspex shrieks as it points to hostiles coming from every direction. The ground rumbles as sewer traps go off one by one.
Rolled 78, 1, 48, 19, 76, 7, 44, 71, 57, 79 = 480 (10d100)>>2544770Mortar team to fire on enemy near gun line and on the group that threw grenades at the stubber nest.Stubber nest east guys to try and throw back that fucking grenade. Or jump on it, failing that.Stubber nest west guys to fire on genestealers emerging from transport.Sentinel to return to original position.Skitarii to fire on genestealers emerging from transport.Tank to fire on genestealers emerging from transport.Hellhound to fire on genestealers emerging from transport.Servitors to fire on genestealers emerging from transport.Troops on buildings to fire on genestealers throwing grenades at heavy stubber nest/genestealers emerging from transport as targets of opportunity are presented.
>>2544809>1Anons, please help our poor stubber nest guys out by rollan.
Rolled 29, 12, 5, 24, 71, 2, 38, 1, 26, 1 = 209 (10d100)>>2544809You had to roll a one.
Rolled 88, 54, 81, 53, 20, 98, 42, 75, 52, 66 = 629 (10d100)>>2544809
>>2544829>>2544831I got it bro
>>2544834>>2544831>>2544829>>2544825Very helpful!If anyone else wants to roll, that'd help too.
Rolled 91, 18, 56, 65, 81, 77, 43, 81, 31, 23 = 566 (10d100)>>2544865
Rolled 62, 16, 11, 12, 51, 39, 24, 12, 46, 6 = 279 (10d100)>>2544865
>>2544886Oi no double rolling, let's respect qm and quest
>>2544886Ignore this, I am sleep deprived and managed to forget I rolled in my opening post because barely awake. Stupid fucking three-day insomnia.
>>2544892IT happens, insomnia is fucking awful
>>2544895I mean, the best part is being braindead enough to do that and then questioning my own suggested tactics posts. All while being on the phone with comcast, the worst company in america, to try and unfuck my internet and wondering if I'll get to play at all after they finish their stupid shit.Gonna go take a nap now.
>>2544901Wish you luck anon
what'd I do wrong?
>>2544916wrong quest ... sry
>>2544916>Ich bin kein Roboter.
>>2545058i have been found out...initiate selfdestruct in .3.2.1
Rolled 70, 42 = 112 (2d100)>>2544809>91Direct hit! The mortar hits the hybrids squarely in their formation, limbs and weapon fragments flying into the air and crashing back into the layers of dust, grime, dead dead skin, and various run off that forms the dirt of Low-Canton.>1The grenade detonates before the team gets to react. The soldiers, the weapon, and the ammunition explodes outwards, injuring the shooters next to them. The wall guns go silent as the gunners are pinned to avoid the cooking ammo.The Skitarii cannot see over the barricade and the gunners of Shatter company and cannot fire.>81The Angry Ambull fires a krak round at the Genestealers to punch through their plate and chitin. It's effective...too effective. The genestealer hit is vaporized and the shell detonated behind the tyranids rather than in the middle of them.>65The hellhound spews out burning promethium, ignoring cover and terrain. The genestealers are cooked in their disgusting chitin.The alleyways flood with genestealers as every road is clogged with mutants and xenos.
>>2545760>70The servitors are torn to pieces as suddenly a welded sewer manhole is punched outward, a flood of purestrains wading into the automated half-humans and reducing them to shredded metal and strips of meat. The sheer force of their numbers and fury knocks the hellhound on its side. >Hellhound, and wall gunners are inactive this turn!>42The hybrids line up a rocket launcher and fire directly at the sentinel as their hauler moves up. It narrowly misses the machine between the legs, detonating behind it. Based on the screams, the rocket hit one of the infirmary tents.Auspex detects more movement underneath and to the east
Rolled 52, 4, 57, 92, 15, 82, 70, 72, 74 = 518 (9d100)>>2545791Mortar team, fire at the group at the opening of the right alleyway. everyone pick your targets.
Rolled 69, 21, 22, 19, 38, 42, 86, 81, 43, 1 = 422 (10d100)>>2545760>>2545791mistakesweremade.jpgOkay, I'm back from my retardation-treating nap. Internet's back too so I can live on one device now, so I can return that fucking tablet to neckbeard room-mate. Filthy casul iOs user.Call for reinforcements. If we can get any.Skitarii: they can't see over the barricade, so they're free to turn around and murder the fuck out of the purestrains that hit those servitors. Arc weapons ftw.Angry Ambull: move into visual range of the genestealer purestrains that killed the servitors and fire at them, then run them down.Sentinel: Shoot the transport advancing north through eastern alley.Mortars: fire at genestealers on eastern side of map near sentinel/coming out of alley.Heavy Bolter teams (presumably spread among guardsmen on top of buildings): aim at transport advancing north through eastern alley.Guard: shoot at hybrids and purestrains wherever you can see them.Hive gangers, scum, etc: shoot hybrids and purestrains wherever you can see them.Hellhound: attempt to right tank.Machine gun nest: attempt to recover.
I hope we get a break from battles soon, itching to do some governing
Rolled 52, 23, 94, 67, 26, 76, 63, 74, 46, 78 = 599 (10d100)>>2545838+1
Rolled 31, 85, 74, 60, 77, 89, 18, 39, 47, 94 = 614 (10d100)>>2545838support
Rolled 82, 60, 48, 48, 2, 43, 94, 5, 99, 54 = 535 (10d100)>>2545838>Angry Ambull: move into visual range of the genestealer purestrains that killed the servitors and fire at them, then run them down.What, No.Ambul use main gun and sponsons and even the damn copula. Control those purestrains before they break our line. If the hellhound is blocking line of sight. Move around.
>>2545838>>2546014>>2546295>>2546494Current rolls:Skitarii - 82Leman Russ - 85Sentinel - 94Mortar team - 67Heavy bolter teams - 77Guardsmen - 89Hive gangers/scum - 94Hellhound - 81Heavy stubber nest - 99
>>2546494All it has is the battle cannon I think. It initially had a battle cannon and a heavy bolter but the bolter got melted off by something in an earlier engagement.
>>2546571Oh. I somehow missed that part even though i read it. Is it the kind that doesnt have sponsons? Guess we'll find out.
>>2546605No sponsons. Just a battle cannon now.
>>2546618Reguardless if we dont take out these purestrains then next turn they will be in melee with us. Do you think tank shocking them will work?
>>2547628It's better than not tank shocking them. We have a tank that is little more than a rolling promethium tank close to them. If they fuck up the flame tank and it goes up like a bomb the barricade is done, I'd rather they fucked up the Leman Russ or the Skitarii. Plus the tank has a good chunk of HP.
Rolled 4, 25 = 29 (2d100)lost dog. I don't have much time at the comp before I gotta go out and post more fliers>>2545838All hell breaks loose as everyone lets loose at their targets. The tank rolls over two of the genestealers as the hissing creatures move away of the monstrous vehicle. attempting to climb tha barricade are well defended by chitin but even that natural armor buckles under the constant fire of the defenders. Arbites, gangers, and PDF cut down the hybrids in the open. The Sentinel takes aim and fires the moment the lascannon has cooled to nominal temperatures, punching a hole in the truck. It's still moving.
>>2548638The purestrains behind the barricade attempt to swing at the Angry Ambull, their tearing claws biting deep...and taking away superficial pieces of metal.The truck guns its engines and rams the wall. The vehicle unfortunately is trapped, rear wheels no longer touching the ground as it runs endlessly in the air. More purestrains pour out of the newly glowing hole in the truck's cabin. More of the abominable pure strains erupt from the ground as the manhole flies into the air, the purplish xenos spilling up like a backed up line disgorging toxic sludge.
>>2548638>lost dogIf it was a nice dog check craigslist and walmart parking lots.
Rolled 84, 25, 27, 46, 89, 36, 86, 64, 50, 88 = 595 (10d100)>>2548651Mortar teams switch to incendiary payloads
Rolled 29, 13, 77, 36, 92, 63, 35, 37, 82, 1 = 465 (10d100)>>2548781support
>>2548651Also somewhere in there people should be shooting at all the guys coming through the manholes. Dropping some incendiary explosives down there works too.
>>2548781+1>Mortar teams switch to incendiary payloadsWe'll have to get some of these in governor phase.>>2548651Get the servitors and skitarii to put the hellhound on its tracks again. We're not loosing this. Ambull should finish off those purestrains. Once the hellhound is ready it should go hunting the purestrains where the mortar is.
Rolled 32, 99, 89, 41, 44, 54, 100, 48, 99, 72 = 678 (10d100)>>2548781
>>2548781You have them firing at trap array A and not focusing fire on the ones near the elevator.The Hellhound you're issuing orders to is on its side and cannot fire.The sentinel isn't doing anything despite being dangerously close to purestrains, which are bad for its health.I think the word for this suggested fire plan is NOPE.jpg
Rolled 55, 82, 53, 35, 99, 100, 4, 11, 12, 25 = 476 (10d100)>>2548651>>2548638OP, sorry to hear you lost your dog ;_; Hope canine friend has a GPS tracker chip or something. Will send a prayer to the Emprah that dog is recovered.Suggested tactics:Hellhound crew to work on righting the tank. Unless the tank can actually fire safely, in which case have it fire at the purestrains in the southern/central portion of the map (red lines).Skitarii to fire on the remaining purestrains (purple line).Angry Ambull leman russ to advance to marked position (orange diamond) and fire on purestrains (orange arc).Mortar team to fire on purestrains in marked position (gold oval). If this is danger-close and the mortar team cannot fire on it, mortar team is to fire on purestrains in southern portion of map.Sentinel is to move to marked position (green diamond) and fire on purestrains (green line).Heavy stubber team on top of building to fire on purestrains as marked (blue lines) unless incapable of required reposition (I'd think the gun's on a swivel and they can turn it, if not that's fine I guess), in which case they are to fire on the purestrains in the southern portion of the map.I don't know if we're supposed to separate the troop types and specialties so I'll write up the following rolls:Heavy bolter teams are to fire on purestrains as marked (white lines).Guard is to fire on enemy as marked (white lines).Gangers are to fire on enemy as marked (white lines).Arbites are to fire on enemy as marked (white lines).Again, call for reinforcements.
>>2549554>Sentinel is to move to marked position (green diamond) and fire on purestrains (green line).Countermand that order. The sentinel is armed with a lascannon that is not an anti infantry weapon, its hit a genestealer truck twice now, it needs to focus on that.
>>2549572I appreciate the suggestion. If you're supporting most of what's in the post, could you link to it and roll 10d100 to boost rolls?The genestealer truck isn't doing anything and is in all likelihood stuck so deep in the building that shooting it further risks an explosion which would be dangerous for our troops on the building, and the creation of a pile of rubble from the collapse that the genestealers could climb to get up on the remainder of the building. I don't want to do anything to endanger our remaining stubber nest.We also need all available fire on the genestealers approaching the elevator, the defense of which is our strategic goal, and the delicate mortar team on said elevator.
>>2549572it got a 99 too. lets see if it shoots a bunch of them in one go
Rolled 30, 10, 98, 94, 22, 50, 52, 64, 12, 22 = 454 (10d100)>>2549554
Rolled 16, 3, 79, 30, 17, 49, 7, 94, 24, 66 = 385 (10d100)>>2549554
>>2549554>>2549589>>2549599Thanks, anons!Current results:Hellhound - 55Skitarii - 82Angry Ambull - 98Mortar team - 94Sentinel - 99Heavy stubber team - 100Heavy bolters - 52PDF - 94Gangers - 24Arbites - 66We could use a few more rolls to help the hellhound out, beef up those arbites and get the gangers unfucked. Heavy bolters are shooting poorly as well.
>>2549584>could you link to it and roll 10d100 to boost rolls?I did, up here.>>2549253
Rolled 25, 77, 85, 71, 70, 95, 59, 70, 23, 15 = 590 (10d100)>>2548781Hope I help
Its just cheap to keep rolling for better numbers
>>2550202At the moment i think we're just calibrating the system we will use for when we finish governer phase. It seems that nat 1's are always failures.
>>2549554>>2549608I think I made things too easy again. Back to the drawing board.The genestealers do not even have a chance to open their mouths in a threatening gesture before they are drowned in the combined fire of the defenders. Shotgun pellets, autogun and stubber slugs reduce them to shreds as lasfire burns holes into their hides.The Skitarii close the distance with the surviving genestealers, transonic weapons shearing through flesh and chitin as the weapons vibrate molecules apart.
>>2550340An eerie calm falls on the battlefield, the only sounds come from the moans of the dying, and the tapping of cooling engines.Krenshaw removes his helmet, voxing you directly. "Auspex clear sir. I...I think that's the last we'll see of the cult for now.You hold your breath and vox Milnja. She responds "The aliens are purged. Jindustrial Sect Clear. Mijnimal casualties. And so much blood on my blade! A fine day!"You sigh in relief. With this, the Hive is secure. For now. There's still matters to settle, wars to win, but the immediate crisis is over. You step out of the medicae, slipping past nurses and orderlies as they frantically search for you. Making your way to a balcony hatch, you slip out into the blistering cold of the Pethan sky. It's almost night out, the skies turning dark. You make a small prayer of thanks to the Emperor, then making another lengthy one for Bromwell's health, and hopes that you will be able to handle whatever comes next. The Emperor probably didn't catch that last part as night becomes day for the briefest moment, a blight star being born for a single second as an enormous explosion of blue and violet light in the distance flares into existence. Dammit all what now?>Actions
>>2550350Did you mean bright, it is it actually a blight star?>a blight star being born for a single second as an enormous explosion of blue and violet light in the distance flares into existence.What are those tech things called? Auspects? Whatever I don't know all my 40k lingual. Did it happen in space or was it something that crashed landed? Whatever the case might be we need someone to investigate that.Are we missing a task or something? We saved the people in the hotel? We secured lower Canton? Middle industrial is fine? The genestealers in the industrial has been taken care of? Do we still need to kill all those tribals in the ventilation shafts?On a morbid note. We won't have to worry too much about starvation, considering there are considerable less mouths too feed...little victories.
>>2550350People must be frantically trying to contact us now. First. what does the mechanicum have to say? And what of the Adeptus Psychana?
>>2550358Bright star. Misspelling on my part. The Auspex is basically a Warhammer version of a tricorder as it can scan for all kinds of things, but its distance is limited. The combat phase is done, this is the governor phase.
>>2550429Thank the girls for the help, pray that our sort of grandpa is alright, figure out who's going to run the mechanicum on Canton now that the previous magos is probably getting raped to some capacity, do that screen apptutiude thing grandpa suggested. reopen factories for job opportunities, begin unfucking the hive world, give the gangsters a curt thank you and our condolences for those we lost, possibly give a hive wide message of mourning then another speak to inspire hope.I'm gonna go make dessert.
>>2550486Ok new rule. No fricking drive-by posts.
>>2550350Chief among our concerns is to reconvene the Trade Senatorum as soon as order is restored. We need to begin preperations for the hive fleet and i think that the people first to know should be the other Trade nobles. (From what i could gather theres only 3? of them? What is their exact number, of nobles we'll have to keep happy?). Will write in exact statments closer to the time.
>>2550350>Get our folks in order so that we can get to work on patching everything up and flushing the last remaining worthless fuckers around.
>>2550630As far as a fleet goes with the time we have we're probably better off looking to outside sources for support in that manner. I should imagine that even if we pooled all possible resources towards building ships we'd have a paltry offering for even a splinter fleet to go up against.Though, on the subject of defenses exactly what land based defenses does our hive have? I should hope there are at least some nice fortifications left from the past war.
>>2551255It was already made clear in the previous thread that we are to be assisted by one company of space marines and a few regiments from the Cadians and Mordians. But this wont be enough so we have to suppliment it. This is Hive World Governor quest. Not Chapter master quest.
>>2551255>Local guardsmen wants somebody else to solve his problem.
After being placed in a medicae bed for the umpteenth time today to see if you are dying, you demand to know what that explosion outside Canton was. No one has an answer, so you demand to speak with the Lord Inquisitor. An hour later, a brusque looking fellow in a long jacket who probably never learned how to smile enters your room. Flashing an inquisitorial rosette, he demands everyone but you vacate the room, as he has private business with you.“He opens a small holoddevice, hooking up the power component to an outlet in the medicae room and dims the lights. A ghostly green image Lord Inquisitor Valastron glares down at you. “Lord Governor Arthur. Glad to see you are in good health, and congratulations are in order for retaking your hive. From what I’m hearing the other Hives are still busy suppressing their own rebellions but it looks to be clean up operations from here on out. I must say, you are quite remarkable. First day on the job and you prove to be more competent than your peers.”>Thank you Lord Valastron, what is the purpose of this call? Couldn’t we speak over the vox?>To the Warp with your praise, what the frak was that explosion happening on MY planet?! >Write-in
>>2551402>Thank you Lord Valastron, what is the purpose of this call? Couldn’t we speak over the vox?
>>2551402i really wanna play pissed with that one, but it probably wont go well angering a Lord Inquisitor>Thank you Lord Valastron, what is the purpose of this call? Couldn’t we speak over the vox?
>>2550340>I think I made things too easy again. Back to the drawing board.Or you have engaged players that pool their resources. But it is possible that the system could use a few tweaks for your and our greater enjoyment.I had fun and it was a challenge sorting out orders and sifting through what everyone suggested and combining the parts that worked together into a frankenstein monster of effectiveness.Gonna reply in a couple hours, event to deal with tonight.
>>2551402>>2551481Yeah, gonna need a couple hours to scrape my notes together. This is actually tricky because we don't know the Inquisitorial leanings for sure, but we'll get there. A lot depends on whether he's radical or puritan or what.
>>2551402>Thank you Lord Valastron, what is the purpose of this call? Couldn’t we speak over the vox?I have this foreboding feeling that things won't be easier from now and onwards.
>>2551481>Or you have engaged players that pool their resources. But it is possible that the system could use a few tweaks for your and our greater enjoymentWait. I thought the inquisition did help in some capacity. Like that one time how they asked us if we saw any will pskers running around and how they implied they are dealing with them?
>>2551343>>2551363Simply look into the fluff on the building of ships. It's not viable.
>>2551584You don't need to build ships when you fucking deal with nids mate and EVEN if you did. You literally aim for the NORE queen and once she's dead. Rip fleet.
>>2551343>>2551584The fleet assistance we're getting from the space marines likely will amount to no more than one strike cruiser.The building of ships takes years to decades for even the smallest classes, but refits can be faster. However, if we give the segmentum or sector navy a reason to come here, we'll become a port of call for repairs and have a much easier time calling on sector/segmenta resources.The easiest way to do this is to set up an AdMech temple for the Cult of the Micro-Omnissiah or some other tech-cult that manages micro-forges because they work on very delicate internal control devices for the Imperial Navy. And those need to be calibrated, and hauling ass all the way across the Imperium to do it takes forever.>>2551592That just makes the hive mind birth five more. It's a thing in the lore. I like how you make it sound easy, though. Knowing to look for the Norn queen is itself rare. Then you have to fight through a fuckhuge tyranid fleet and find the queen inside a massive tyranid bio-form. THEN you have to kill or disable it without getting torn to shreds by a sky full of tyranids while they drive you insane with psychic blasts.Not that easy.
>>2552094Norn queen is directly in the center or rear of the fleet. Also, it causes the fleet to freak out and to infight and split apart. Boom, our problem solved.
>>2552094>>2551584Ok, so you want to create a repair base for the imperial navy. We already have a orbital satellite that could be used. But yes, birthing more troops and building more ships are two options not possible within 7 years.However we must prepare for planetary assault in one of the several planets of the system. This is to prevent them creating a domino effect of bio mass harvesting.
fyi im waiting for QM to give me the que to start customising the military. As ive been thinking about this for about 1.5 weeks. I think that if we cooperate and use eachother as a testing ground for our ideas we could come up with something really neat.The first premis i worked on is that we use the Gladiatorial side of the PDF to maximum effect.
>>2551438>>2551465>>2551521“Thank you Lord Valastron, what is the purpose of this call? Couldn’t we speak over the vox?” The man sets down the hololith and pulls out an Agrius Pattern Snub-autogun, pointing it directly at you. “You may have noticed a great disturbance outside your hive. That was the Inquisitorial fortress imploding after a planar collapse: a pocket dimension in between the warp and realspace collapsing, and the resultant backlash creating a tear in reality to draw in that pocket dimension to the warp and reassert realspace as the only space occupying that region. It atomized the Inquisitorial fortress and well as at least a hundred Inquisitors. Pardon me, but as an Inquisitor it is my job to be suspicious of everyone. If you would please hold still…”“What do you-” You never get to finish your sentence. Searing hot pain thrusts into your mind as it feel like a hand made of molten metal pierces your brain, sifting through memories and emotions. It feels like an eternity, but a cursory glance at a chrono tells you only a second has passed as the pain recedes. “You aren’t the guilty party.” Valastron declares. “I apologise for the rather rude intrusion Lord Governor, but I find the mind is far more open to the truth when they don’t have time to prepare.“Why would you-you think I had something to do with the fortress?!”“As I said lord Governor. I suspect everyone. You have been ruled out. For now. Though this does point to a much larger plot of recidivists than I had known. You should know Lord Governor this will bring the Inquisition down on Pethus, and I cannot promise it will be left unscathed while we conduct a very thorough investigation of the system.”“But the Tyranid swarm-”“Is an unfortunate problem, but the threat of the Great Enemy is far greater. We shall conduct our investigation.” he says with finality. “The Trade Senatorum will host an emergency session tomorrow discussing what has happened today. I suggest you are there. Make no mention of my survival. I would prefer it if my enemies think I am dead and their plot succeeded.”>Be shocked>Be dismayed>Empty your bowels in terror
>>2553059Ask him if there will be infighting within the inquisitorial ranks, turning Pethus into a grounds for an Inquisition War, whether hot or cold, and for guidance in surviving it so we can preserve the system for the emperor.Ask about the Kabalite and the Dark Eldar raid and the AdMech.
>>2553059>be resigned, after all that happend there had to be more, its just getting worse and you start to get used to it ...also this >>2553084
>>2553084>Ask about the Kabalite and the Dark Eldar raid and the AdMech.Valastron stares at you for a long moment. “We have agents that are very much aware of the Dark Eldar threat, though their data suggested the attack would happen much later. It seems this chaos motivated them to move their timetables. As for why they attacked the Mechanicus...you tell me. You are far more privy to the secrets of your order than I am. Perhaps Magos Dolran had some piece of Dark Eldar tech, maybe he was researching into some tech-heresy, it doesn’t matter. He possessed something the Kabal of the Poisoned Kiss wanted. Yes Lord Governor, that’s the name of the Kabal. As I said, we have agents investigating them. As to whether or not we’ll hear from them again well… that depends on whatever secrets the Mechanicus is hiding on this world.”Following that...horrifying turn of events, you are released from the Medicae with a clean bill of health. Before you leave however you make a quick detour to see Bromwell. Or at least the tank he is in. Some old piece of technology left from the founding days of Pethus from the first colonists during the Dark Age of Technology. You are assured by the Techpriests and Medicae that the tank is working at optimal efficiency and is attempting to heal your aide, but it is still an ancient piece of equipment. Success isn’t guaranteed.News spreads across the Hive not only of your survival, but your hand in saving the Hive with your timely command of the PDF, the Arbites, and the Mechanicus. The nobles’ daughters have since returned to their respective homes, helping their families in quelling the ongoing battles still raging in their Hives. A quick word of heartfelt thanks to them, and you return home. Even with all that has happened outside, the servants and attendants of House Wu-Peyton act oblivious to it all. They continue as they always have, preparing your supper, drawing your bath, and laying out your clothes for tonight. Draped in silk, you collapse into a bed build while you were away, far too large for you, and a mattress far too soft. You don’t know if you will be able to sleep likeYou wake up to the glare of the Pethan sun peaking through your meter tall window and burning into your eyes. The last cobwebs of some horrible dream, you standing upon a a pyre, the dead faces of your family and Bromwell staring up at you, moments before the crushing weight of an enormous “I” crushes you into paste. A hololith by your bedside informs you of an emergency meeting of the Houses this afternoon. Just as Lord Inquisitor Valastron said there would be. You crawl out of bed, collapsing onto the cold marble floor as you navigate your way out of the maze of blankets and sheets. Emperor’s mercy, you’ve never felt so tired. >Go to the emergency meeting.>Consult the Index Populous about [subject]>Speak to [person] before the meeting.
>>2553352>Go to the emergency meeting.
>>2553352>Consult the Index Populous about [subject]Ask what the fuck dark eldar are.We probably dont know IC
>>2553352>>Go to the emergency meeting.We'll need a good meal before we go.Something hearty yet filled with slow release energy. I suggest salmon eggs Benedict on seeded bread, chased down with some recaf and a caraf of cold sparkling water.If we dont commit every act to winning this war, including breakfast, we wont be taking it seriously.
>>2553392You doubt the Index has anything on the Dark Eldar. Nothing you don't already know. It's all in your schola tutoring: "One Eldar, Two Eldar: The Vile Xenos That Looks Almost Human and All Variants">>2553377Throne dammit this is the last thing you want to do today. A fast meal of poached eggs and smoked amoyad strips, then slipping into something formal you, make your way to the Trade Senatorum, and it feels like you are blown back. A cacophony of shouting and screaming as shrill nobles shriek and yell at each other, the clingy sycophants kept at a distance by a cordon of Judicators pushing away any that get too close. You attempt to stifle a yawn as you enter the Senatorum Sanctum where the Trade House lords all sit, arguing and debating with each other over essentially nothing. The moment you take your seat you are pelted by half a dozen petitions.“Please lords and ladies” you declare holding a hand for order. “One at a time.” You take your flask, still filled with your morning recaf, take a swig, then hold out a hand and gesture to>Ozman of Nellon>Pogron of Damva-Oom>Mariana of Nakara>Grent of Bellendrast
>>2551402>“He opens a small holoddevice, hooking up the power component to an outlet in the medicae room and dims the lights. A ghostly green image Lord Inquisitor Valastron glares down at you.>>2553059>The man sets down the hololith and pulls out an Agrius Pattern Snub-autogun, pointing it directly at you. >“You aren’t the guilty party.” Valastron declares.So the man was Valastron holding a pre-recorded message of himself?>>2553557>>2553589Good meal.>>2553589Who are these people?
>>2553589>Grent of BellendrastHis daughter did a fuck ton of works and he makes all our guns.
>>2553629>So the man was Valastron holding a pre-recorded message of himself?No he was acting as a messenger, possible assassin, and signal booster for Valastron. He may be Gamma class, but even an alpha would have trouble mind reading from a vast distance without a node to buoy themselves on first.
>>2553629>Who are these people?Actually you know what? Instead of going back to dredge up who they are, I'll just collate a new list of the big players of the Trade House. This might take a while so sit tight.
>>2553589>Grent of Bellendrast
>>2553589I wait all day for the quest and now i have to go to sleep as i have work in the morning.I hope you guys look after the quest well. I have quite allot of thought already on the subjects of the reforms. Including: strategy, threat model, and a sketch of the pdf guardsman.>>2553589>“Please lords and ladies” you declare holding a hand for order. “One at a time.” You take your flask, still filled with your morning recaf, take a swig, then hold out a hand and gesture toI suggest we findout some of their concerns, then blow them away with the news of the 7 years to prepare for the hive fleet and how we intend to do it. We need to get everyone on side and cultivate a seige mentality. Remind them that we've won against the nid before and we'll win again. We should keep it a state secret, just with the senatorum until we have ratified a response to be implemented in the hive and sector.I particularly like the idea of using the sky pirates to capture more tech barbarians for the gladiator pits and pdf training. Including creating celebrity pdf gladiators to face against tyranids captured from the poles and genestealers from the underhive. This is to create a hatred (hartred talent) for the tyranid in the hive, experianced by all levels of the citizens and pdf. The only stipulation is that the odds must always be stacked against the nid.
>>2553736>then blow them away with the news of the 7 years to prepare for the hive fleet and how we intend to do it.no
>>2553736> then blow them away with the news of the 7 years to prepare for the hive fleet and how we intend to do it.No
>>2553589>>Grent of Bellendrast>>2553736>I particularly like the idea of using the sky pirates to capture more tech barbarians for the gladiator pits and pdf training. Including creating celebrity pdf gladiators to face against tyranids captured from the poles and genestealers from the underhive. This is to create a hatred (hartred talent) for the tyranid in the hive, experianced by all levels of the citizens and pdf. The only stipulation is that the odds must always be stacked against the nid.This I support though, I would have to say that using the existing infrastructure and such to softly expose people to the nid more and more while training fighters against them at the same time is full on beneficial. It could also be expanded to enticing gangers, underhive scum, and even brazen upperhive youths to going into the pits to fight against captured nids perhaps.On the whole, we need to exploit all possible manpower. Be it the techno barbarians, gangers, sky pirates or whoever. Bringing in mercenaries through rogue traders, anything and everything. Mobilizing the poor into work brigades, all crime punishable by forced labor.
Guys remember, this is the time to use the chaos and suggest that our hives need to be more self suficient in the event on one of them falling, like the inquisition temple, the most secure structure in Penthos has fallen.We can start small, activating weapons and food processing plants on all the hives, as well as other tipes of industry so bot obly one of the.monopolies is disturbed.also i vote for>OzmanIts him that provides the guns, not Grant
>>2554207Let Grent speak first. Ozman might see this as the diminishment of his own influence in the system and thus become more pliable.But yes, you're correct about the circumstances and the best initiative to take in the moment.
>>2553826>>2553814Oh, and you would like to keep the fact that our sector will be attacked a secret until the last moment? What possible benefit could that have to our organisation?
>>2554986Oh I don't know throwing everything into utter chaos
>>2554207>need to be more self suficient in the event on one of them falling,One of the ways i'd like to do that is by creating a government 'commonality' fund to purchase a few weapon templates of high quality and venerable design, and allowing anyone and any of the noble houses to produce them. This will maximise production, and take it out of the hands of just one group (like Ozman).The government will simply form a quality control body, that assesses that the products are "Senatorum Official" quality before purchasing them.The first such template i would like to find is for a Heavy Bolter. As i think that this should be our main heavy weapon, because:- everything uses heavy bolters, from tanks to chimeras to flyers to guard infantry, sororitas, arbites etc, and we can upgrade them all at once for little cost with a better variant- heavy bolters can use variable ammo, such as infernos rounds which are inexpensive- Infernos rounds set targets on fire (reducing movement to a half action), but can also do suppressing fire at the same time (also reducing movement to a half action), this is especially useful as a Hormagount moves 60m in one turn (virtually guaranteeing they'll be in melee on the second turn if not impeded.)This does not stop us from using other heavy weapons, such as heavy flamers or mortars as the situation dictates, and we could easily add these to the list of the weapon templates we're upgrading in the "Commonality Fund".I suggest the Solar pattern Heavy Bolter, as this is a fast firing bolter design. The Rogue Trader or Admech should be able to get ahold of it. I suggest it be upgraded to good quality, to make it realiable, and Devotional engravings, to better help the men resist fear effects and fire the heavy bolter.(Sorry im writing this all out for discussion before i go to work.)
>>2555020>Oh I don't know throwing everything into utter chaosPerhapse we can agree on a staged reveal of the threat. Perhapse in the first year we just make preparations. But they must be told eventually, and soon. This also means if we are assassinated before the reveal, the whole planet is lost.
>>2555097>first yearno, because gene-stealers are a legit threat and grow to appear more and more human as they breed. We can't risk tipping off the hive fleet.
>>2555090We have to remember to not focus obly ob weapons, as much as infood medical and troop production and vehicles also. We can't disrupt only ozman's monopolity, we have to disrupt everyones's monopoly a little so we don't antagonize a single house but make thwm.understand them necessity of self sufficience likebin the old times.i think we have to get the manufactpriuns worling, and later we can discuss patterns and such.But it's imperatove that we use the inqiisitions fall to start the ondustrialization of all the houses and its important that all of them contribute a little so we don't antagonize just one house on the risk pf creating a barrier for future negotiations.Yake a little from everyone and not fuck only one for everything he has is what I'm saying
>>2555480>We can't disrupt only ozman's monopolity, we have to disrupt everyones's monopolyIm not trying to disrupt Ozmans monopoly. He has just as much ability to make heavy bolters as anyone else does. Perhapse even more so.What im trying to do is level the playingfield to increase self reliance and build a resiliant society.>i think we have to get the manufactpriuns worlingThe whole point of the commonality fund is not to rely on one single manufactorum, but all sorts of guilds and artisans at all levels. Provided they achive the senatorum official stamp of quality. It wont just apply to this hive it will apply to all the hives.>risk pf creating a barrier for future negotiations.There wont be a barrier if they know why they are doing it. To combat the tyranid.>Yake a little from everyone and not fuck only one for everything he has is what I'm sayingYes and frankly, that sounds like shoddy logic. I'd rather give to everyone than take from anyone.>>2555213>tipping off the hive fleet.This means you belive the genestealers and the nids at the poles are there by chance. The fleet allready knows were here. Thats why its coming. For all the biomass. Just like last time.If anyone backslides after we tell them then that was an enemy waiting to happen anyway. It'll be good be rid of them before the nids arrive so they cant stab us in the back.
>>2556545Nid fleets can actually BEE line towards somewhere if a cult lets out a cry for help.
>>2556556I did not know this... So when you are a hive, losing biomass as you travel through the void. Why not always go top speed?Also; when you are a underhive country bumpkin slowly evolving into a machine designed for eating. Why not let out a warp scream as soon as you can?
>>2556545Maybe I wasn't clear. All of them will be against the reopening of the industries that we all agreed to shut down because as of now, each one of them has a comercial monopoly on a diferent type of industry.By putting those factories and production center back to work we will disrupt those monopolies. I'm not saying we should take from them, but they will interpret that way when we propose to disrupt their monopoloes in favor of self suficient hives, what I wanted to tell you is that we shouldn't focus only on opening the weapon factories on the other hives but also all the other types of industry, so we don't create an imbalance by only disrupting one of the hause's monopolies, but ending at the same time, everyone's monopolies including ours
>>2556586>So when you are a hive, losing biomass as you travel through the void. Why not always go top speed?They are crossing the void as quickly as they can, While coversing as much energy/mass as possible actually unless thats been reconnted >when you are a underhive country bumpkin slowly evolving into a machine designed for eating. Why not let out a warp scream as soon as you can?Because one or two being killed can be labeled as mutants or other things however until they are meant to build up and infliction the various key points of a government and then collapse it when the hive fleet shows up, or once the cult is found out, Sorcha and burn while the fleet is called in.
>>2556601>create an imbalance by only disrupting one of the hause's monopolies, but ending at the same time, everyone's monopolies including oursIf you even tried this you'd be killed on the senate floor with no witnesses.Try again bragg.
>>2556628We have a good excuse now. The most secure place on the planet fell today, the inquisitions fortress.It's on everyones best interest to develop their hives to be as self sufficient as possible to prevent the whole planet from beeing destroied if the hive that mobopolies food production falls, or the one that provides troops falls, or the one that provides guns falls.We end everyones monopolies, even if they may not like it at first, but we sell it to them showing that it is necessary for our survival, should one of the hives fall
>>2556628>>2556644Sorry abou the ID jumping
>>2556644>The most secure place on the planet fell today, the inquisitions fortress.True>It's on everyones best interest to develop their hives to be as self sufficient as possible to prevent the whole planet from beeing destroied True>We end everyones monopolies,Nonsequiter.I'd rather create new buildings than knock down the old ones, especially when we arnt running out of space.
>>2556701we are nor ending the monopolies by closing the production of those hives man,We are ending the monopoliea by allowing the other hives to open NEW buildings that produce those goods.I
>>2553629>>2553727Okay. Incoming listAcross from you are the Trade Houses. Surrounding them and you are countless minor nobles representing lesser families and guilds across the system.To the right is lady Saveur Mikata-Nore of Hive Agrius, mistress of the Agri-Worlds Tinathius and Agame that feed the system and the tithe.To her right is Lord Ozman Nellon of Hive Barun, Lord of the Forge, master of the Industrial Worlds Otana and Nuvo Bellam.Next to him is Lord Grent Bellendrast of Hive Barite, lord of the feudal world Quaranta and the feral world of Lolarlairalleelampristocotsdamn. From him comes the manpower of Pethus, his soldiers forming the Guard of the tithe.At the end of the table is Mariana Nakara of Hive Anathame, the Mineral Mistress whose raw material feeds the industry of Pethus and whose ingots feed the tithe.To your left is Lord Pogron Damva-Oom of Hive Parthanon, the shipmaster whose dockyards keep the skies alive with Imperial craft.And to his left is Lady Malaam Kotashi-Kreiber of Hive Aratius, the Bank of Information. Her business is data. Accounts, transactions, raw data and filtered messages, all information needs to be logged and stored. And Kotashi-Kreiber has dedicated her House to exactly that. All information is hers, Triam is where she holds all such information in the orbital vaults that ring the gas giant.To the corner is Markus, representative of the Ecclesiarchy and all its branches within the Imperium, ensuring all meetings not stray from His path. Bent over is a slave-penitent, a sinner accused of a minor crime and pays for his transgressions by serving the old priest by carrying his tomes, books, scrolls, and treaties.
>>2553639>>2553729>>2553832Now the decision:>>Grent of BellendrastYou gesture to Lord Grent, you stands up, and makes a slight bow. “My lord Arthur. May I first offer you my congratulations and well wishes for your speedy recovery” Lord Ozman rolls his eyes. Grent ignores him and continues. “However my lord, I am concerned with the events of yesterday. These...widespread rebellions. They speak of coordination, or possibly the cracks in our society. I know not which I fear more. My main reason for bringing this up is during your coronation, I had a ship filled with technobarbarians I had captured in the Wastes, bound for processing for the arenas, when the sea-raiders attacked. Normally they leave my ships be, they know I carry only people and no valuable materials which they seem to crave, yet they attacked this time anyway. The wreck was salvaged, and according to what we found from the sunken vessel, they had taken only a handful of people. My lord, this seems very suspicious, and I believe this may require further investigation. Potentially Inquisition-”“You say that about everything Grent” groans Lady Saveur. “The sea-pirates sank my ship, call the Inquisition. The Air-pirates blew up my carrier, call the Inquisition. There’s an uprising of filthy peasants on Quaranta, call the Inquisition. I can’t meet the quota of Ogryns for the Guard call the Inquisition!”Grent turns to Saveur. “Oh and you’re any better. Everytime something goes wrong, you blame the Tyranids and demand the Inquisition to clean up your little mess!”
>>2556545>This means you belive the genestealers and the nids at the poles are there by chance. The fleet allready knows were here. Thats why its coming. For all the biomass. Just like last time.Thats already been covered, the hive fleet does not know that we know they are coming, as far as we know it.
>>2556753Unfortunatly, the inquisition is no more, and while they don't send someone else, we will have to fend for ourselves.After this,Let's try to ease them into the idea of self suficient hives
>>2557078“There will be no Inquisition” you declare, getting everyone’s attention. “You may have noticed a quake yesterday. That was an explosion. A planar shift that destroyed the Inquisitorial fortress.”The room goes quiet. Deathly quiet, not even the whispers of the minor nobles who circle the room whispering and muttering to each other. The news hits all in the room like a hammer. Then pandemonium. Markus starts shouting prayers of salvation, the nobility screaming and bellowing, at you, at each other, at the roof, everything. The room descends into total anarchy.
>>2557574Silence!We stand at the edge pf.a precipice. Yhis attack, this rebelion...was noy an isolated even. I fear we face the greatest threat.this.planet has seen since the tyranid.incursion and changes must be made.The greatest bastion of security and strenght in our world has fallen. It has made clear how weak and pitifyl we've become on this past century.Now imagine. Imagine if structure that fell was Hive Aratius, imagine our economy and data banks thrown in disaray as anarchy sweept the streets of our hones. Or imagine it was hive Anathame and all our factories and plants stoped workibg over night for lack of materials, or even hive Berite and taking with it the entirety of our planet training and mustering capabilities to deal with the tithe and enemies to come, or hive Agris and hive Berun, seeing us defenceless and starving...If one lesson can be taken for todays attavk, and the fall of our inquisitorial temple is that no matter how powerful orbprepered you think you are, the enemy shal come, and when they come, you stand against it in the first moment vounting obly with what we have.We have arrived in a tine that our specializations, our streamlining of our resources has become our greatest weakness, becouse if obe of our hives had fallen today, intead of the temple of the inquisition, all of the others would have fallen too vecause of our extreme dependency.I say we open up the ancient factories and let the fires of induastry burn in our hives obce again, only thwm we can stand alobe against perils, and after standing, extending our hand to our fellow neighborOoc: eh, i tried my best, feel free to criticise and propose changes to everything here hehehe
>>2557662Fuck guys, I'm really sorry about the spelling. I'm phone posting and I always forget to read the thing again
>>2557662>>2557574Not just the planet. Possibly the whole system.I'm a little confused. Do all these nobles live mainly on different planets, or do they all live on Pethus?
>>2557734They all comand diferent planets but they also have hives here on Penthus
>>2557662Agreed. Dayum that grammar bruhI was definitely waiting for a prompt earlier myself. Sorry, maybe I'm autistic but if I don't see a prompt I'm not going to chime in.
>>2557662Lol. It's funny if you imagine a drunk Boris Johnson was saying it.
>>2557966I'll write out the will
Throwing this out there. Maybe we should have a weekly cleansing to check everyone for genestealers infection.
>>2557574>Markus starts shouting prayers of salvation, the nobility screaming and bellowing, at you, at each other, at the roof, everything. The room descends into total anarchy.Wow these guys dont have much restraint.If this was ww2 and we were in the London blitz, chances are they would have already collapsed the society. What happened to the siege mentality? Wheres the stubbornness?
>>2559743They've lost it, that's what gather needs us to put on them since the nids war will probably be a siege too
>>2557662This is fine as long as you dont go full commie and start annexing peoples businesses and factories.>>2556753"We must work to together now more than ever before, to level the playing field, to construct a more resilient and self reliant structure in our society, to combat coordinated assault. So that every house has a manufactorum, and that these manufactora work together to produce the materials needed to fix the cracks in our society, so they cannot be exploited by the most hated of enemies, the genestealer. During the uprising in hive canton the genestealer specifically targeted the manufactorum, and i commanded our forces in taking it back."Then i reference these two plans as our first attempt at reforms.>>2553736>I particularly like the idea of using the sky pirates to capture more tech barbarians for the gladiator pits and pdf training. Including creating celebrity pdf gladiators to face against tyranids captured from the poles and genestealers from the underhive. This is to create a hatred (hatred talent) for the tyranid in the hive, experienced by all levels of the citizens and pdf. The only stipulation is that the odds must always be stacked against the nid.>>2555090>One of the ways i'd like to do that is by creating a government 'commonality' fund to purchase a few weapon templates of high quality and venerable design, and allowing anyone and any of the noble houses to produce them. This will maximise production, and take it out of the hands of just one group (like Ozman).Just to be clear. Im not saying we should only focus on weapons or ignore things like water and food shortages, but we're on a war footing now so best make use of it. Infact one of my ideas is to use the acid rain to flush out what ever is blocking the hive sewer system. Probably a big nid or nurgle down there, thats about to get a sirprise. I also think we should try to fix the food shortage and use it as an incentive to get people to work for the Administratium, because we cant really function without someone looking after the treasury.But anyway im waiting for someone to suggest how to fix the food shortage.I suppose we should table the idea for an organisation to take up the slack left by the Inquisition. Give them a budget and everything. Maybe the Siroritas? Arbites? Maybe this:>>2559349
It may seem like im rushing into things. But we are in the senatorum now. So nows the time.Also, i think we might mollify Ozman, by giving him a particularly lucrative contract for something. Maybe earthshaker cannons or hellhounds. I suspect we'll need pleanty of both. What i dont want is for the poor fellow to feel his livelyhood is being taken from him and do something silly, like become a traitor. (if he isnt already)
>>2559763I'm not proposing we commie up man. I'm just doing what our father told us to be our first priority. He said that we should end the old trade agreements that created the hiper-specialization of the hives here on Penthos, and that all hives should diversify their productions so they could hold on their own in an event of a siege. Since we know that we will not be able to suport them when the nids arrive as we weren't able on the last invasion. When the nids come, all the hives will have to hold alone on the first part intil we can push them back and start helping each other
>>2559771Father told us that all the hives need to be self sufficient because we won't be able to transport goods and suplies between hives during the nids siege and every hive will have to do battle with what they have at hand.
>>2559349It would be impossible my man.>>2559743Imagine telling them about an incoming hive fleet.>>2559763As far as food goes, it would be impossible to compete with the amount of food produced by agri worlds but steps could be made to work towards some self sufficiency, green houses, fish farms, algae farms, whatever farming we can manage on the outskirts of the hive, mushroom colonies. Perhaps we can look into some sort of super crops through the AdMech or Rogue Traders to bring into the hives.On the note of the Inquisition, they'll eventually be back, but rather than bolster another Imperial institution I would rather that we use this as an opportunity to create some manner of Commissariat/Secret Police of our own, even better that they will answer to us and us alone.
>>2560115Why would it be impossible?
>>2560423Try and imagine the scale of the Hive and how we can't even manage basic infrastructure currently.
>>2560115>As far as food goes, it would be impossible to compete with the amount of food produced by agri worlds but steps could be made to work towards some self sufficiency, green houses, fish farms, algae farms, whatever farming we can manage on the outskirts of the hive, mushroom colonies. We'll need to start making more food because we have a shortfall and regular food riots. Also water tribals. As we improve food, we'll improve industry. We just need to control the food to get people into the right jobs.>Perhaps we can look into some sort of super crops through the AdMech or Rogue Traders to bring into the hives.Sounds good, make an official policy proposal for the QM.>On the note of the Inquisition, they'll eventually be back, but rather than bolster another Imperial institution I would rather that we use this as an opportunity to create some manner of Commissariat/Secret Police of our own, Now your thinking like 40k!>even better that they will answer to us and us alone.The only purpose to have guys that dont answer to anyone else, is when we are planning to back slide on the Emps. And i dont wanna do that. I love that guy, he is the best of mankind. I say that we make the Secret Police attached to an organisation which will serve to balance our power, but that we will also be in position to balance. So connecting it to the Ecclesiarchy is a good idea. But i could also imagine the Commissariat being in charge of cells of investigators just like the =][=. Which means we need to reform the Scholarium.
>>2560498There are millions I know, but there's got to be something we can do.He with all the dead bodies from the attack, think the mechanicum can use them to make more servitors?And what about that carnifex? Can we make more of those from the dead ones on the cultist attacks?
>>2560786>millionsThere are tens of billions.
>>2560818FUCK.Well. Are servitors medical examinators a thing?
>>2560786>think the mechanicum can use them to make more servitors?They use fresh ones for that. Its gross.If they were recycling living tissue then it would be whats classified as a automata. Different thing entirely, they have vat grown nero tissue that becomes a brain. Rather than starting with a brain and working in reverse.>>2560786>And what about that carnifex? Can we make more of those from the dead ones on the cultist attacks?Well actually this brings me to another project i wanted to create. But i just didnt want to be a one man show of project ideas. One of the improvements which i deem most cost effective (your mileage may vary) to the PDF guardsmen, is giving them stimms and steroids to either beef them up physically (high strength) or provide a much more robust (high toughness) constitution, that can take things like pain, bloodloss and infection. This can be done by implanting a gland as a form of bionic augment. A bit like space marines, except it isnt a whole set of organs, its just a gland, making them whats called gland warriors. Given that by luck we are in cooperation with the Admech genitors, this should be an extremely easy modification to make and probably good quality too.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Gland_War_VeteranWe could also allow them to research the stimms, steriods and drugs from the DE Wracks we encountered. However we'll have to succeed pretty well on this research to not just yeild something that is inherently self destructive, and we inexorably use even against our best conscience.This could be Research Project 2, also known as "Mark 2 Tyranid Fighting human".And Research Project 1 would be this:>>2560115 Perhaps we can look into some sort of super crops through the AdMech or Rogue Traders to bring into the hives.What do you think?
>>2560955Dude. That's cool as fuck. If we can make a fighting force that's even a tier or tow below Space Marines then I'm all for it. Surgically implanted organs that produce a natural Chem to bolster everything about a PDF or guardsmen.Oh. So about the space pirates being housed in the static storm fuckery. What if we just orbital bombard them? Maybe throw in a few miniature earth cracker things?Bear with me I have minimum knowledge of 40k. All I know is there is a doomsday weapon called a planet cracker. I just want orbital weapons that could go a mile or two through the planets crust to kill anyone in bunkers.
>>2560955I still don't know how those dark elder were able to control that Mechanicus owned Carnifex. Did they have the controls to it in their possession?Speaking of Carnifex, what about researching technology to tame genestealers, or at least have them frenzy against other genestealers? Would it even be viable since genestealers are always evolving or something?
>>2561036I was thinking of bribing them into the force actually, if we have an undetectable hidout in planet when the Nids arrive it can be useful
>>2561074I'd rather be one and done with them. Besides.we can always move in once we kill them all.We can't nuke those sea pirates though.>>2557574What of the progress of those guys we sent to investigate the Pirates? Do we have anymore recaf in our flask?
>>2561074I don't believe pricing pirates into the force is possible. Aren't pirates all about freedom and doing whatever the hell they want?
Man it's a fucking shame the Inquisatorial Fortress was destroyed. We could have asked them to send a spy to hopefully figure out how these pirates know so much about what's being shipped before they leave port.
>>2561093they are about money, and if we bring them in as privateers we can provide that for them for a lower riskbut then again,it was just a though, they know how to navigate those storms, it's something we don't, that knowledge can be useful to move undetected following the storms, but I don't have strong feeling towards it too
>>2561036Thanks. Wait until these badboys hit the gladiator pits.>>2561093>I don't believe pricing pirates into the force is possible. Aren't pirates all about freedom and doing whatever the hell they want?Well, so are humans. The Sky pirates are good because we can just draft letters of marque to hire them and supercharge our efforts to press all the techno barbarians into service. Also the techno barbarians are sitting on lots of mineral resources that we could use. So its using one stone to kill two birds, three if the sky pirates become integrated into our force structure when the tyranids come. A force of trained pilots is usefull, play up the fact that they once were part of our force that defeated the last invasion. Also the sea pirates are probably heretics, although this is unconfirmed.>>2561098>We could have asked them to send a spy to hopefully figure out how these pirates know so much about what's being shipped before they leave port.This is a good point. We need to recruit a spymaster. Its time to +1 our retinue. My personal suggestion is someone like a Commissar or Detective from the Adjudicators. This will require rubbing shoulders with potential candidates and could be fun.
>>2561139What about the inquisitor as spy master? That is if he has the time.
>>2561074Putting them to use would be nice, I agree. That is of course, if they can be won over.
>>2561161that would be an incredible step down for him.he is the one who has spymasters, and he shares with us only the absolute minimal.I say we gather a network of tunnel rats lead by someone else, they allways know what's what
>>2561139>This is a good point. We need to recruit a spymaster. Its time to +1 our retinue. My personal suggestion is someone like a Commissar or Detective from the Adjudicators. This will require rubbing shoulders with potential candidates and could be fun.I could go for that as well, I rather like the idea of some old school hard boiled detective type. Would also sync well with my idea of founding our own Commissariat/Secret Police force.
>>2561161Oh he sees himself as our boss. Hes a Lord Inquisitor. Probably one of the few people that equals us in the authority to execute, and probably one of the few people we need to keep happy besides the Senatorum... And i imagine hes far more busy as the only surviving Inquisitor. We need him to keep doing whatever it is he does. If we want someone to direct to investigate, we need more of an Agent of our noble house.>Would also sync well with my idea of founding our own Commissariat/Secret Police force.Sounds like a plan!
You hold up your hands “Silence!” you declare. Nothing happens. So you pull out your Canton-Works Ironclad Revolver and fire a shot into the roof. The deafening back has the desired effect. All eyes are on you now. Taking a deep breath, you begin “We stand at the edge of a precipice. This attack, this rebellion...was not an isolated event. I fear we face the greatest threat this planet has seen since the tyranid incursion and changes must be made!”The nobles are returning to their seats which you take as a sign to continue “The greatest bastion of security and strength in our world has fallen. It has made clear how weak and pitiful we've become on this past century.”“Now imagine. Imagine if structure that fell was Hive Aratius, imagine our economy and data banks thrown in disarray as anarchy swept the streets of our homes. Or imagine it was hive Anathame and all our factories and plants stopped working overnight for lack of materials, or even hive Barite and taking with it the entirety of our planet training and mustering capabilities to deal with the tithe and enemies to come, or hive Agris and hive Berun, seeing us defenceless and starving…”“If one lesson can be taken for today’s attack, and the fall of our inquisitorial temple is that no matter how powerful or prepared you think you are, the enemy shall come; and when they come, you stand against it in the first moment counting only with what we have.”“We have arrived in a time that our specializations, our streamlining of our resources has become our greatest weakness, because if one of our hives had fallen today, instead of the temple of the inquisition, all of the others would have fallen too because of our extreme dependency.”This is the moment. You have their attention, and the fear is so palpable you can cut it with a damned knife. “I say we open up the ancient factories and let the fires of industry burn in our hives once again, only then we can stand against the perils in our system.”Once again the Senatorum explodes into anarchy. Some vehemently praising your decision, others accusing you of treachery, all of them changing sides at the flip of a coin...>Emperor give me strength...
So ive been waiting for a long time for governor phase. And in that time i drew what i think the PDF might look like. As with all 40k drawings this might not be canon and this was probably sketched by a guardsman with no talent without even being noticed by who he was sketching, and may not even reflect reality.Items of particular note: - the large flak armoured gladiator belt buckle. - knee high laced riot boots. - tox resistant rebreather and overcoat. - 'nasal'; helmet mounted blade that allows mono bladed strikes to the head to be parried by a mono blade. - single flak knee pad issued to guardsman for dominant knee.
>>2561377Sorry for it being side rotated. I have failed.
>>2561339>Emperor give me strength...Make the sign of the Aquila.
>>2561339Are we supposed to post something or are you writing up more?
>>2561339We fought genestelers today, thousends of them, for emperor's sake. How long do you think it will take for them to call for backup....yes....that kind of backup.Now more than ever we have to prepare for the worse, our hives have to be prepare to face any threat that they may face, specially isolation! They have to stand firm and be able to do it alone if needed be. That was how our ancestors repelled the greatest threat this system has ever seen and that is how we will repel any and all danger who tries destroy us!
>>2561339Sorry, power went out in the neighborhood. Updating part 2/2“You betray the laws of your father! Of your father’s father! All of them!” Lord Pogron shouts. “We had a deal generations standing” Saveur screams “Who are you to break them?!”“Lords and Ladies please!” you call to order. “This attack just shows how weakened we are. Those agreements were written in better times, peaceful times. Times when we didn’t worry about the threat of the Tyranids, when the Ork Freebooters were a small nuisance. We need unity now more than ever. This isn’t a matter of just economics. This is a matter of war! The Inquisition was attacked for Throne’s sake! The system has been rife with aliens and heretics for too long! It is time TO PURGE IT!” you shout the last part for emphasis.“We shall put it to a vote” Lady Malaam states flatly. “The Trade Senatorum still stands, and as such decisions shall be made by the entirety of the council.”Predictably, the vote is tied>Lady Saveur, Lord Pogron, and Lady Mariana oppose>Lord Ozman, Lord Grent, and Lady Malaam are in favorAs you are the one to raise the issue, you aren’t given a vote. Something you are mentally kicking your ancestors for drafting in the charter. Of the ones that vote in favor, you are certain Ozman only voted in favor to spite Mariana. If she was to vote for you, he would vote against. And Lord Grent voted in favor in hopes of getting you to help him with his trouble. If that isn’t addressed, he may switch sides to the opposition, or possibly even to spite Lady Saveur if she changes sides. Politics...Of the three that oppose, there are two with outstanding issues... “Very well” you sigh. “We shall come back to this later. For now there are more immediate concerns.” There are murmers of ascent, the nobles calming down as they think you are simply dropping the issue. You aren’t. You’ll be back once you have more houses on your side. For now…>You will help Lord Grent.>Hear out Lord Ozman’s complaints>Hear out Lord Pogron’s issues>Address Lady Mariana’s problems
>>2562607>Hear out Lord Ozman’s complaints
>>2561377>>2561577I like the design, really good. Though I'd imagine them using autoguns more since Ozman makes more of those than anything else.
>>2562607I have an idea, and it's related to the Carnifex>Hear out Lord Ozman’s complaintsWhat were Grent's and Mariana's problems again?
>>2562607>>Hear out Lord Ozman’s complaints
>>2562607I think we should help Pogron first regardless of the issues presented, barring one of them beeing very seriousMariana and Ozman are going to antagonize each other, so if we help one we lose the other ones vote and are back to a tieGrant will antagonize Saveur(who is against us) and that should give us some time to deal with his problem before he decides to switch sides.Witch leaves us with Pogron, who doesn't have anu outstanding issues with the othwr houses and is currently against our proposition. If we help him and bring him into the fold we can gain a vote and possibly not lose any.>hear pogron's problem
>>2563159Changing my vote to thisWhat was his issue again?
>>2563191He hasn't pesented it yet, we are voting to hear him out I believe.I mean, can we just hear everyone and then decide what to do?
>>2562734Thanks! This may not be the final design if any other anons get on it, but its a first attempt.
>got 2 for Ozman, 2 for Pogron>Need a tiebreaker
>>2563809I'm >>2563159 And I change to Ozman to get things rollingCan we ask about the other problem after that?
>>2563832Yeah you can go through two more before-actually I shouldn't give it away. Writing.
>>2563840this makes me uneasy
>>2564136Nothing sinister, I just don't want everyone arguing for 20+ posts because of it before we even get to it>>2563840Lord Ozman rubs his cane to collect his thoughts, then inhales deeply. “Lord Arthur, my weapons-” he doesn't even pause as a series of groans echo across the table. “are now in the hands of traitors. I'm not just speaking for my small arms, I mean the vehicle support craft and ordnance are in the hands of a. Well...it might be best if you see it yourself.” He pulls the crystal ball off his cane, a data-jack at its end. He inserts the orb into a slot. A hololith in the center of the table flickers into life as the cogitator in the table reads the information in Ozman’s data crystal. It slowly forms a transparent green image of an angry looking man, half his face painted as he holds a XXXXXX pattern rocket launcher. Ozman presses a rune on his sides of the table. The image begins to move, sound crackling as the cogitator activates it vox-cast arrays across the room.“We have been slaves of the Imperial yoke for too long! Today we claim independence from the Imperium! Today the people of Barundia are free of Nellon! Free of oppression! Free of Imperial tyranny!” He turns to a distant figure the hololith processes, the hazy shape forming into the form of an Administratum adept. He hangs from a noose tied to the cannon of a Basilisk as angry people beneath light his robes on fire. It stops midway as a cheer erupts from the crowd. “That was sent to me through one of my men. He was beaten within an inch of his life and chased to Hive Barun. He died shortly after. That was on a Pictcorder attached around his neck.”“So lord Ozman, what are you saying” you ask already knowing the answer. “Barundia, the whole continent lordship is in open revolt.”“Well then it’s clear that I didn’t steal you weapons Ozman” Mariana butts in. “Those rebels did, the ones you never uncovered.” she jabs. Lord Ozman bristles but doesn’t give in.“My lord, as much as I would prefer to handle this myself” he says through gritted teeth. “I request the aid of my fellow houses in suppressing this rebellion.”>Agree to support lord Ozman>Don’t send anything>Hear out the other nobles.
>>2564346remind me please,what is there in Barundia? is there where we get the technobarbarians from?
>>2564346>Today the people of Barundia are free of Nellon!I cant remember, but im assuming Nellon is Ozmans first name?Also, what happened to these policies:>>2560115>>2553736>>2555090>>2559764>>2560955>>2560115I would like to get down to putting them to the Senatorum, but perhaps it is best we hear the issues raised before finalising these policies.
>>2564382>Barundia is the continent that Hive Barun is built on and is the place a lot of Pethus' industry is focused in. Ozman does a lot of his weapons manufacturing off world but small arms like infantry guns happens on Pethus.
>>2564451>Hear out the other nobles.
>>2564346Those are grave news, I imagine this situation hinders your weapons production capabilities and the general security of your facilities, am I correct?With them compromised I assume that lord Grent's troops will be underquiped*looking at Grent*I imagine it would be in your best interest to help lord Ozman to retake his weapons or at least safeguard his operations am I rigth?*before he can protest we look at Ozman and say*and lord Ozman would repay that kindness in thrones and the best armament he can offert to secure lord Grent's convoys so that the incident that occurred with his captured barbarians don't happen again.and of course, I will carry out an investigation onboth matters and allocate resorses myself after I hear what other issues we have in our planet>hear lord Pogronif they accept
>>2564428as for the policiesI'm all abord the comissariat, but I don't think we should include them in that decision, they would want to put some of their people in it and I think we want it to be our source of information on them toofor the food and guns I think we should wait until we can lift the exclusive trading rights on them to propose them, since that way everyone could produce those itens and not just the two houses that control themthe pdf idea is amazing and since we have a biologically inclined admech here it fits perfectlythe sky pirate is good and I'm in favor too, but we would have to negotiate with them ourselves and probably face some resistance from the nobles that the sky pirates attack the mostwhat do you think?
>>2564604>they would want to put some of their people in it and I think we want it to be our source of information on them tooThis is a Senatorum, we cant enact anything without their voting on it. We need a national spy organisation. Not just a household spy organisation. Unless we want to specialise our house into intelligence, which would be making the same mistake we accuse them of; specialisation. If we dont keep them happy, they will simply vote us out. The single only thing we have going for us now is they are enamoured by our history, and even that isnt enough because it seems that one of them tried to assassinate us.>for the food and guns I think we should wait until we can lift the exclusive trading rights on them to propose them, since that way everyone could produce those itens and not just the two houses that control themAgreed.>the sky pirate is good and I'm in favor too, but we would have to negotiate with them ourselves and probably face some resistance from the nobles that the sky pirates attack the mostYup, i think that might be the case. Or we will need to send a negotiator for their services. Also we need to recruit a house spy master. I like the idea of looking in the Commissariat.Ive taken a look at the Industrial sector again, and we DO need to kick start that to kick everything else off. Mainly the production of fresh water, which can be used for crops. Then the crops and water can be destributed to those who join our employment. This will be mainly employment in the Administratium to catch up on 4 years of lost taxes. Also the acid neutralisation can be used to save housing and stopping even further degredation of our population. And the acid collected can be used to flush out whatever nurglings are backing up the sewers.
>>2564897>This is a Senatorum, we cant enact anything without their voting on it. We need a national spy organisation. Not just a household spy organisation. Unless we want to specialise our house into intelligence, which would be making the same mistake we accuse them of; specialisation. If we dont keep them happy, they will simply vote us out. The single only thing we have going for us now is they are enamoured by our history, and even that isnt enough because it seems that one of them tried to assassinate us.agreed, let's include them. But I still think we should have a section dedicated to look into them as I'm sure they have one to look into usas for the rest, I am in favor too
>>2564941If you read the book "The Dictators Handbook", the first thing you learn is that all governments are dictators to some degree. And an essential part of being a dictator is having an iron grip on two things; the military and the bank that funds the military. A typical problem is when the head banker pays your army to remove you. But beyond that you have little to worry about, even things like hereditary position arnt actually a problem, they are even favoured by the nobles that you have to keep happy. This brings me to the next point; the nobles you have to keep happy need one thing; a budget. And most of all they need to be stopped from finding out which amongst them has the largest budget. If the budget ever gets thin, then you'll be killed and replaced by some other noble that promises to make the budget swell.So baring all this in mind, im not just in favour of controlling the spies, i want the whole PDF and the house guard and anyone else that knows how to fire a stubgun. But im also casting an eye to the Administratium and its 4 year backlog of taxes. But before we get to those, i think as it stands now we need a spy organisation with as far reaching and roaming authority, and for that we need their consent.D'ya think pic related should be our head of Intelligence? Maybe hes from our house, or a minor house.
>>2565043https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMeZZZ4He3sskip to 31:25what if we get Servitorks and shove them in a box?
>>2565043Looks like a kid.
>>2565043Speaking as someone with an MA in National Security Studies, the purpose of a spy organization is to foresee threats and (occasionally) conduct covert or clandestine interventions. ANYONE can have a spy organization, and I'd expect ALL these houses to anyways, limited only by the resources they devote to it and the tasking of the organization. Getting the support of the other houses only gives the agency AUTHORITY that they wouldn't have had otherwise. The right to examine records, or to search without a warrant (not all spy agencies are entirely clandestine). The fact is with enough resources, the question of authority becomes moot. We'd be able to find out what we wanted to anyway.And I have no idea why you think we need their consent. We have those 10 million thrones for a REASON. Those give us one of the most flexible forms of power. Use them to make an agency.
>>2564561>>2564604“Grave news” you mutter. “I imagine this situation hinders your weapons production capabilities and the general security of your facilities, am I correct?” slowly, Lord Ozman nods“I assume this means that lord Grent's troops will be under equipped. I imagine it would be in your best interest to help lord Ozman to retake his weapons” you gesture to lord Grent. Put on the spot he stammers a wordless noise for a response. “After all, no weapons, no guard, no tithe I believe is how Ozman succinctly put it last we gathered here.” Slowly, he nods. You turn back to lord Ozman “And you in turn would repay that kindness in thrones and the best armament he can afford to secure lord Grent's convoys to ensure that the incident that occurred with his captured barbarians doesn't happen again.”Lord Ozman nods in ascent. “That does sound within reason yes.” Good. It’s a small step, but it seems it is a step the nobility is more willing to take rather than completely dismantling years of tradition. You know this is as much for them to save face as it is political agenda, if you force them into a corner where they cannot refuse your offer to break the treaty, they can still maintain their power over the minor nobles and guild houses that are no doubt waiting for the first sign of weakness to seize power for themselves. You will need to play this delicately but it might be possible. You don’t mention the investigations you will be conducting. That may give them time to hide things they don’t want you to see. Bromwell taught you that much in the weeks leading up to your coronation. You hope the old bastard would approve of this.>hear lord PogronLord Pogron clears his throat. “It seems Lord governor that...ah...my dockyards are also in revolt.”“Come again?”“This sudden rebellion seems to have not gone unnoticed. I dare say the problem has stretched offworld. I’ve had mutineers and rebellions on my own territories. The docks around the orbital yards are contested by at least half a dozen different factions. I would simply blast them if they had not seized vital locations essential for producing craft that has been commissioned by numerous lords and Rogue Traders.”“And you ask for my support in quelling this insurrection with…?”“I am hoping given your success in quelling the rebellion in your own Hive that you would be able to land troops to retake the docks. Me methods of suppression are far too...damaging.”>response?
>>2565838Those other rebels rebelled because of freedom or such. I want to know why these rebels of Lord Pogron.
>>2565838>Suppressing the rebelsDifferent strokes for different folks. All classic counterinsurgency techniques use both carrot AND stick, but we have a problem. Traditionally, rebellion against the Emperor is both unlawful and heresy - the rebellion is quelled by simple force of arms and the Inquisition given control to weed out the remaining bad eggs. In THIS case, we can't just do that. We have the following constraints:1) The docks and other areas in rebellion must be functional afterwards, both for defense and the simple continuation of governance. 2) We must have sufficient skilled manpower remaining to man these assets at capacity. 3) We have limited forces. For obvious reasons (time, our continuation as Governor) we don't want to call in the Guard.4) We dont have the Inquisition, in any meaningful sense.5) We can't afford to (overtly) negotiate, for fear of setting the precedent that rebellion gets you ANYTHING.I propose the following strategy: 1) Contain and firewall (no travel) the areas in rebellion, to prevent them from supporting and encouraging each other. A COMPLETE information blackout on the fact these areas have rebelled is necessary to keep them from encouraging each other. We need them thinking, "It's just a few of us against EVERYONE!" This cannot be maintained indefinitely, however, given the interdependence of the different houses.2) Skillful use of our own propaganda to divide and subvert the rebels. We need to understand their cause and their goals to do this. This needs to happen very quickly.3) Military action against rebel strong points to deprive them of organization and support. Prioritize communications, security and transport nexuses, in that order. If we control these, we can put our message out, own the fortresses and heavy weapons, and can move our forces at will. The remaining rebels are mostly locked in isolated pockets.4) Military action against the individual pockets in sequence to purge them of rebels. Concentrations of individuals or fortresses in open rebellion will be crushed with overwhelming force. Surrender or desertion can be passed off as "civil unrest" wherever we can do so plausibly. Behind the scenes (with Stormtroopers, whatever law enforcement or such Inquisition forces as we can find) rebel leaders or officers must be found and dispatched without mercy - we can't afford to leave the seeds of rebellion, and the only time we can offer clemency is when absolute repentence of the rebels is seen. No compromise on this matter can be offered - the Emperor is never wrong. The grunts we might be able to ignore more.
>>2566056(Con't)Because of this strategy, I propose the following:1) a quiet declaration of martial law in the system. The houses need to accept that for very practical reasons (effectively suppressing the rebellion and rebuilding), power must become concentrated in the hands of an executive. 'Quiet' means that the imposition of martial law is made known to the houses rather than by general broadcast OR that the decree is passed off as "to defeat the genestealer menace", NOT as the result of a rebellion. The imperium cannot appear weak.2) All military forces to become under your direct command. Critical installations (both house and not-house) will become garrisoned as you require.3) martial law is quietly maintained after the crisis, and the houses made to understand that yes, they could resist our decree to change the old ways. But you won't. Because of the implication. The implication that we MIGHT kill you if you don't.4) Let the defense build up commence...>>2565838
>>2565929>rebels rebelled because of freedom or suchImplying they arnt simply led by enterprising heretics.
>>2565838You raise your hand over your face and sigh dramaticly"How far has this specializations weakened us? The owner of the most powerful ships in the system cannot deal with a simple rebelion for lack of ground troops."" lord Pogron, my forces will deal with this rebelion of your, and any other houses that can spare the manpower will too, because I'm sure everyone here is interested in the repairs, upgrades and ships you will provide at token prices for those that help you recover your main, and only, source of income."*the objective here, aside from getting better ships and recovering the shipbuilding infrastructure, is to get the houses to help each other like in the Grent-Ozman situation, with us as the mediator, and to show Pogron that his specialization is his house greatest weakness as anyone can simply take his spaceports and leave him pennyless*"Now, I believe lady Mariana also had an issue to bring forth on this council, I just hope it is not yet another uncontroled rebelion caused for lack of troops, weapons, food or something else."For the general plan to deal with the rebelion I agree with this>>2566056 and I would like to add that we should dispatch our men immediatly, we have no time to waste with these rebelions>>2566057As for this, I don't think they would grant us control that easely, BUT if lady Marianna's problem is yet another rebelion maybe we could propose that all defence measures be put on our control while we deal with the countless rebelions at the moment, since that would be Grent, Mariana, Pogron and Ozman even if the other two don't agree they would be outvoted by those that have rebelions at their hands
>>2566057>>2566056Yes... i suppose maintaining martial law might be necessary given the threat posed by the tyranids. But dont expect the Nobles to be toothless if you start interrupting their affairs. I'd prefer, atleast for a short period, a secret approach. Not because i fear telling the public of the tyranid threat, though the people on this planet seem to have as much courage to exist as a soufflé. But because theres some secret preparations we might want to put in place before we start the preparations proper. Two such examples would be; setting up our own spy agency and possibly contacting the sky pirates, using their services and eventually winning the right to use their weather anomaly to hide things in, like a new inquisitorial fortress.The two main criticisms i have of your plan are thus:1.) it would work very well in the US, but not so well in 40k. This is because noble lords already have the power of life and death, so there is no legislature to circumvent. If they tire of you, they will simply become belligerent and less cooperative with the Senatorum, which is basically the same thing as our animal wrangling lasso. This is most obvious with the way you want to quetly do away with these rebels, rather than make a massive example out of them.2.) The Law of Unintended Consequences. If i were to try and divine the future, one part would be that a certain cell of these rebels goes underground at some stage of the plan, and slowly rots the foundations of our hives. This happens because when not made an example of, how unsuccessful, tiresome ideology and most importantly, not graced by the Emperors light, and UNSUCCESSFULL. Then the public might be in danger or seeing this as a good idea. Especially on the first time exposure.I tell you these criticisms because of course i think you take it, and make something out of them.
>>2565929"Disconcerting"you say. "And what demands have these rebels made? Are they like Lord Ozman's rabble?"Lord Pogron shakes his head. "No your lordship, these rebels are a different sort. They attack each other as often as they do my assets my people still hold. It is why I ask for assistance in this matter. At the very least to discern who is who."It's starting to make sense. He thinks the rebels may just be sabatoers from the other Trade Houses and he wants you, a neutral third party to find who the culprits are so he has an excuse to start pointing fingers.
>>2567255“Lord Pogron, I shall aid you, but I will need time to gather my assets together to determine what is best fit for this undertaking.” In other words, you want to talk with Lord Valastron about this and see if he can help untangle this mess and find out just how much grox-drop is being fed to you.“My lords and ladies” Markus declares. “the main reason the nobles gathered this emergency meeting of the Trade Senatorum was not to pester the young lord with your grievances, but to address a topic you all felt needed to be dealt with now rather than later.”The nobles murmur their assent and turn to you. Markus presses a stud on his podium, and his voice becomes amplified so all can hear. “My lord, this attack nearly ended your life. Nearly ended the Wu-Peyton line. The delegates of the Trade houses presented their daughters to you, to preserve your family. The safety of your lineage is in jeopardy, we need your answer now! Who do you choose?”The Senatorum goes deathly silent as every eye turns to you. >Lady Ellya >Lady Wenka >Lady Leerana>Lady Elehnore>Lady Milnja
>>2567287FUCK WHO WAS THE ONE IN THE KNIGHT?
>>2567299>>2567287>>Lady MilnjaHer. 1/2 wives obtained.
>>2567287IF this >>2567306 dude isn't lying to me. >Lady Milnja
>>2567287>>Lady EllyaI think she will be the most useful in house negotiations.and she was the one father thought to be the perfect match for brother
>>2567287>>Lady EllyaIn the introduction it was mentioned Lady Ellya was bethrothed to the heir apparent before he tragically died, and our father arranged some conspiracy to destroy the house so he wouldn't have to deal with the fallout. She's the overachiever that we can seemingly keep in check.>>2567312You can recognize her because she's holding the mug.>>2567315So >>Lady Ellya and >Lady Milnja?Are 2 wives still allowed?
>>2567320the picture refuses to load on my phone, Shitty weather.
>>2567320hey we have a good excuse for 2 wives toowe need to get the Wu-Peyton line the biggest amount of heir in the shortest time possible
But if we had to choose between the two I would go with Ellya, I mean, Milnja is a good fighter and all but we need someone to help us navigate house politics and there is no one better than Ellya at that
>>2567337Do you think an exception could be made for 3 wives this time owing to extraordinary circumstances? Problem was it was considered lecherous beyond 2. Then again we are our father's 72nd or 75th bastard, and everyone else still died.If so I would like to pick up >Lady Elehnore too for her administrative talents, I forget if she was the quiet one who brought up some good points during the ballroom discussion.Was it stated how the rest of the family except for Bob died but we didn’t? How many wives did our father have?>>2567356I would stick with Milnja if we had to pick because she resonated the most with me back at the ballroom and during the battle.
>>2567365me too, if we maried Ellya I would ask Grent to cede Milnja so she could be our PDF commander after the skills she showed in battle and we could woo her to become our mistress/2nd wife since we resonated and felt some kind of connection
>inb4 our two wives scissor each other and laugh behind our back
>>2567379that would be too perfect to be true anon, we can only dream
>>2567287>Lady MilnjaOur original hypothesis was to choose a wife that was proven.A head for military affairs seems direly needed in the coming months.
" I still haven't decided my lord, my heart beats faster for two of you adorable doughters and I can't quite chose one knowing that I would loose the other..But, in respect of your concern for my family line I cannot delay this decision any longer, and since I can't do it I will have to marry both of them"hehehehehe just trowing it out there
>>2566229I think you missed a couple of the subtleties of my cunning plan. 1) all who overtly defy and rebel are crushed without mercy. This is plainly necessary.2) those who surrender are granted clemency after they are seen to absolutely repent. This is to avoid having to kill too many skilled workers.3) rebel leaders disappear quietly to prevent them running and hiding (before surrender), or leaving the embers of rebellion (after surrender). With very few exceptions, officers and leaders are on an execution list.4) martial law among the nobles is maintained at gunpoint. This is the entire purpose of allowing us to garrison any holding at our will. We want to seize the nexii of power for each house. Then... We quietly imply that access to the nexii will continue and houses relatively healthy if the houses give up trying to fight our reforms. Cooperate, and there is a place for you. Fight, and be crushed.
If i were to choose it would either choose the Rogue Trader (Leerana) or the Knight (Milnja). My reason in choosing someone like this is that they are not estranged to the idea of hardship. We need someone who knows the system from the bottom up, from the gritty, to the areas of ease and fluidity. Someone who cant do BOTH is no use to our purposes. And, to be quite frank, i prefer people with actual power over theoretical power.However i can see a purpose in using Ellya to neutralise Ozmans power. I just wouldnt say this was a good survival strategy in the big picture.>>2567365>3 wives>>2567337>2 wivesGuys, we can still stay in contact with these girls after we choose one.If we choose more than one we risk splitting our loyalties too many times.>>2567395>" I still haven't decided my lord, my heart beats faster for two of you adorable doughters and I can't quite chose one knowing that I would loose the other..>But, in respect of your concern for my family line I cannot delay this decision any longer, and since I can't do it I will have to marry both of them"NOT SO FAST. I do not support this.
>>2567689>NOT SO FAST. I do not support this.>>2567395but I support this
>>2567689Leerana is not the rogue trader I think, I think she is just a roguetraderboo
>>2567585>or leaving the embers of rebellion (after surrender)Oh, im not going to leave any embers that are not thoroughly burnt.They are going to see a swift and decisive governor who is clearly favoured by the emperor because he has all of the best weapons and tactics.>martial law among the nobles is maintained at gunpoint. This is the entire purpose of allowing us to garrison any holding at our will. We want to seize the nexii of power for each house. Then... We quietly imply that access to the nexii will continue and houses relatively healthy if the houses give up trying to fight our reforms. Cooperate, and there is a place for you. Fight, and be crushed.That will not work. These nobles arnt going to be so stupid as to not see you making a run to the goalpost. Holding them all hostage. Remember they all have their own house guard precisely to stop this kind of thing. Whatsmore they wont vote you this power and unify against you. You'll just be starting a civil war.
>>2567722>I think she is just a roguetraderbooYeah a know lol. But who else do we have that could do that job?
>>2567287>waifu war shitJust goddamn I hate my fellow anons sometimes.I am tore between Milnja on account of being tied to a Knight house and her being herself rather than something carefully crafted to be what we should want and Ellya for being what we should have to be a literal power couple.My vote goes to Milnja, because knights being the rule of cool in this instance.
>>2567912This is why I didn't want to mention it until time
>>2567912We can love 2 women.
>>2567912Yeah man its shit,Just thank god that this is a purelly pratical decision and not some autistic shitflinging, I mean, the conversation is pretty civil until now.But yeah, I wanted Ellya for the house navigation skills, and will still want her for that even if we don't marry herBut knight lady is pretty cool and I don't mind one bit
Now that I think about it, that priest dude did make a point. The thread of death is very much a possibility. Should we have a personal set of guards or a highly trained body guard to be with us at all times?
>>2567955also, I'm >>2567315so don't count that post as another one for Ellya because that's just my phone IDI think it's pretty clear who won so let's just move on?
>>2567965Realistically I'm sure we actually do already have that, but it would be nice to give them a face. In every 40k quest I'm ever in I always call for an Ogryn bodyguard just because, but I'm sure we have a rather diverse set of personal guards, genetically and cybernetically modified hardasses to a man.
>>2567732You are missing the point. They will definitely accept it if they believe the alternative is to lose their wealth and power due to rebels burning the place, or if they believe key sections of their guard can't necessarily be trusted (genestealers). Their house guards are a few thousands of men in comparison to the PDF and whatever IG you are able to have, plus there's every chance of houses who support you (especially the ones we marry into) throwing their weight behind you ("we're not trying to take power of ALL the houses, just house X! They endanger us all! You're totally safe, trust me..."The idea is to declare martial law, shear from them any units we can (especially by deploying them in areas where they cannot defend their house - "oh, only your house guard has a hope of prevailing"), and deploy loyal units in areas you wish to "garrison", placing the houses in tactical positions offering them little hope of survival. Then... make them an offer they can't refuse, quietly, and with a light stick and a substantial carrot. What fool would resist in those circumstances?We don't need their surrender, just their obedience.
>>2568009You're right, >>Lady Wenka is the clear winner.>>2568307What do we need to declare martial law and use racketeering tactics for? Most of their support can be obtained by dealing with whatever problems that already threaten their hive.
>>2568307It's funny that you think we have the manpower to garrison a bunch of other hives when we don't even really have the manpower to fully control our own hive.
>>2568317Because the other nobles don't exactly appear to like the thought of breaking their monopolies. I'll expect they'll like even less the thought of manufacturing stuff virtually at cost to put most of the population under arms, which is what I expect it might take to handle a Tyrranid splinter fleet. Or don't you remember that these things eat worlds, and that we will almost certainly have to fight them on the surface. This isn't "Imperium Fleet Quest."
>>2568382Lol, you act like we need to "fully control" other hives. Look up "Nexus warfare" sometime. We don't have to conquer and pacify when we can control key points sufficiently to coerce other houses effectively. I'd rather have the houses unhappy and cooperating with our initiatives than shot and the survivors being the ones that remain.
>>2568588>Look up "Nexus warfare" sometime.I got a bunch of video game results. You want us to play Minecraft?
>>2568588Populations: 10s of billionsAvailable troops: A couple million>We don't have to conquer and pacify when we can control key points sufficientlyAnd just what makes you think we can do that? Never mind the other houses and their military forces allowing us to do it. I feel as though a lot of people simply don't understand the scale of our situation and the utter clusterfuck that we're in control of regarding it, the basics in our own hive are out of our control in a lot of situations and people think we can project power somewhere else?At that, while many of us have many good ideas we really need to reign it in and focus on fixing our own hives basic infrastructure and administrative fuck ups.
>>2568597>nexus warfareThe concept is that any world worth having probably can't be conquered, but it can be CONTROLLED. By controlling key points, the attacking force can prevent the effective mobilization of political or military resistance, administration by the defending force, conduct of commerce, dissemination of messages, or almost render the place entirely uninhabitable as a city by just cutting off utilities and supplies - there are all KINDS of options.How it works is the attacking force secures key points, usually in this order:-Military (bases, armories, communications) - prevents mobilization of armed resistance-Political (LEADERSHIP, symbolic buildings, important administration mechanisms such as the local administratium - this last can include any influential organization's offices, such as a guild hall, social club, or even a large factory's offices) - prevents existing political leadership from organizing a response-Economic (banks, treasuries, stock exchanges) - these often have a political aspect as well, and are needed to control commerce-Media (newspapers, radio, TV, telephone exchanges, town crier, whatever) - prevents political organization, often military organization as well (for example an order for reserves to report and arm)-Transportation (rail, subway, airports, highway interchanges) - prevents mobilization and movement of forces, also couriers, allows a "throttle" on commerce and is useful in a siege.-Symbolic (temples, monuments, public buildings, famous tombs) - aside from often being political nexuses as well, how many public movements begin as some assembly in a famous place.Once these points are secured, the game is usually over for the defending force, barring a serious and sustained external threat. While Nexus warfare is designed to paralyze the ability of a society to mobilize organized resistance, it also has the TACTICAL effect of dispersing your forces to some extent. The solution to THAT is to collect the leaders in one spot, then keeping an eye on many political buildings of no symbolic value becomes superfluous, freeing your forces. Or just break the external threat with other forces or keep it from materializing.The end game in this is that leadership that can't protect and is kept from leading is often seen as functionally illegitimate, especially as time goes on - the longer you can make them appear powerless, the less power they have in the minds of the public. Hence, nexus warfare can sometimes simply be a waiting game where the defender is racing the clock to keep the people with them. They have to keep your message out and make you appear powerless in turn.
>>2568609So... Does imperial society seem like the kind to encourage even independent thought, MUCH LESS political self-determination or expression? Easily 99% of the population (including many of the adjudicators) will say "here comes the new boss, same as the old boss." Show them the expected degree of security and prosperity and almost none of them will feel they have anything to lose by supporting you. I think you're GROSSLY overestimating how little of the population and hive territory we need to actually control if we need to bend the houses to our will. Perhaps tens of square kilometers, maybe 200 at most, a few offices, and less than a thousand people. In addition Imperial society is so hierarchical and so LOVES their "one gigantic project" (factory, shipyards, etc) that our tactical situation is hugely simplified. Less key points and key people to control.A good book for you to consider is "Coup d'etat: A Practical Handbook", by Edward Luutwak.
>>2568307>heir house guards are a few thousands of men.Try 3 million. Each. And thats in peacetime.>>2568307>The idea is to declare martial law, shear from them any units we canWe do not command their house guard. Because its They're house guard.>>2568307>and with a light stick and a substantial carrot."back me and things will continue as normal."Have you ever seen what happens when you insult a noble?
>>2568583>manufacturing stuff virtually at costNot if the government buys it from them paying with the tax money that we just need to collect, and manufactured using the 10% of the population thats out of work, using the resources and manpower the tech barbarians are sitting on. Nore is it "Best time to start a civil war Quest."By far the biggest problem with your plans, and ive held of saying this until now. Is that you are planning for yourself 3 moves ahead, and your plan is that 6 noble houses against you will make no moves in this time. Its actually more like 1 for 1.>"Nexus warfare"Was Nexus Warfare employed in Vietnam or Iraq?>>2568648>place entirely uninhabitable as a city by just cutting off utilities and supplieshahah, did you see what happened to Tsar Nicholas when there wasnt food for even 3 days.>How it works is the attacking force secures key points>Lists locations as if the most important factor to government is a chair and a roof.These locations will be switched to underground ones by your opposition as soon as you try this. See Warsaw uprising.>>2568648>Once these points are secured, the game is usually over for the defending forceThis really worked when the Nazis seized paris and the arc de triomphe. No way did it just make people fight harder.This is just complete fantasy. Nexus warfare seems to have never been used effectively and never victorious in a war. Prove me wrong. Or dont. I think the conversation is moot by this point.>>2568660>Coup d'etat: A Practical HandbookNah thats ok, i dont read works of ideological fiction. Almost every country that has ever had a Coup, was a tyrannical dictatorship and the opposing forces sponsored by the USSR. Our 1 hive against 3 or so others does not count as this.By far the most worrying thing about all that youve said, is that you havent even thought of a sinlge reason why it might not work. Which is a restricting the options fallacy.But anyway, i see no reason to continue discussing this.
>>2569036>3 million each in peacetimeIs there a pastebin or anything with this number, or are you pulling completely it out of your ass? And they are deployed where and how exactly? >We don't control their house guards.No shit, Sherlock. Hence martial law. Placing all armed bodies of men under a central control is a basic aspect of that.>Have you ever seen what happens when you insult a noble?MFW you live in a fantasy world where every noble is a pathologically egocentric moron more akin to Jeoffrey of Game of Thrones than an actual noble. Nobles that keep power for any length of time tend to be very practical people because they have to be - the reason they fear insult is when insults are PUBLIC, because much of their authority relies on prestige. Hence the emphasis on *quietly* making them an offer they can't refuse. I'm surprised a man of your OBVIOUS intelligence missed that little detail /s. I got to say, man, I'm not impressed.
>>2569061>Manufacturing stuff virtually at cost, we'll be ok if we figure out taxesWhat exactly is the scale of the militarization you expect to be needed to repel a tyrannid splinter fleet? I suspect you think it's relatively small. I'm thinking more like the scale of militarization of the USSR during WW2. Or more so.>Planning 3 moves ahead, it will be 1 for 1Please look up "OODA loop". It will be relatively easy to get inside theirs, especially, considering how we, as governor have the institutional advantages of the machinery of government - we will naturally have the best information anyway because the government has to have sufficient information to fulfill its functions. That naturally makes for information gathering on a scale far higher than the houses. >Nexus warfare in Iraq or Vietnam.Of course not, don't be asinine. Both those two locations were far too decentralized for it to be effective - it's a nonstarter on the face of it. I WILL point out that critical points from my list in both those areas were secured... Just like in Nexus warfare... For the same reasons. How is it you think this is in any way a valid comparison? >Tsar NicolasWhat's your point? We're not saying WE would starve a hive, merely that a range of options exists.>Securing key locations, roof and chairAnd records, and infrastructure, and organization, and symbolic value. You don't just pick these things up and go elsewhere - certain infrastructures exist that the operations of these organizations require. Cogitators, data links, etc. These offices ARENT just a roof and a chair. >Warsaw uprising.No shit - please see earlier posts on importance of securing opposing leadership. Little hard to go underground then.>Nazis taking ParisDude... The French LOST. And the resistance sure as fuck didn't take it back, nor would they have even been more than a nuisance without external aid. This point is just embarrassing.>I don't read ideological fictionOk, now I KNOW you're full of shit. There's a reason his works are standard reading in courses originating to teach U.S. generals military strategy.>Coups are only for dictatorships, USSRExcept for all the coups that took place before the USSR existed. If anything you've inadvertently argued my point. What do you think the imperium actually is? It's a series of autocracies (imperial governors)... secured by a dictator (emprah). How is it you are missing this parallel, and why did you exclude pre-USSR history?
>>2569061(Con't)>Restricting the options fallacy. I haven't restricted a single option. I HAVE pointed out we have a whole range of options you aren't considering, and what would be required to make it work.>I don't see a point in continuingI can't say I blame you, man. You haven't made a single really GOOD point since we started - you've got at best a college freshman's grasp of history, and next to no knowledge of political or military science. More so, it's clear you've either missed or not understood half my points. I feel like Im watching a coked-up 9- year old in a boxing ring going "fite me brah". If you have a single point that doesn't rely on irrelevant comparisons or a poor reading of my arguments, then I'm all respectful ears. I'll even give you a tip - an argument requires the "grounds" and the "warrant" (toulmins model of argumentation). Show how either of mine are bad, and I'll listen. But don't serve up shit.>>2569061
Hey there fellas what's happe-....What the fuck is this shit? Seriously. I prefer the waifu wars back ok!But now, how abou we deal with things on a decision prompt on decision prompt basisI'm not saying we shouldn't plan ahead but you guys are forgeting that this thing is a narrative game and our 12 step masterplan can be ruined by our wife turning out to be a daemon or a meteor falling on top of our gratest ally because of a bad rollIn the end, I believe we should try to bring the houses together by working with them and strenghtening them since we are already in controlBUTI'm sure we will have the opportunity to attack and overthrow one of the houses since the sky pirate prisioners confirmed that there is a patron behind their attack on Ozman's weapons and the same pattern was identifoed on the attack on Grent's convoy. So as soon as we identify thr traitor we can think of all the fun ways to fuck his shit upSo,Have you guys voted on the wife yet?
>>2569205>Placing all armed bodies of men under a central control is a basic aspect of that.We dont control their house guard in peace time nore in martial law. We dont control their armouries, we dont control their budget. We cant fire their leadership.>the reason they fear insult is when insults are PUBLIC, because much of their authority relies on prestige>I'm surprised a man of your OBVIOUS intelligence missed that little detail /s.Ok fine, you bated me in. If you insult a noble you will be challenged to a blood square in front of all other nobles. If you refuse they will begin severing economic ties with a dishonourable man such as yourself. In addition to this the house who you have offended by trying to control its leadership may very well hire an assassin or even just declare war on you with their 3 million house guard and any other assets they control. This is how i'd do it. And i think this is pretty representative of nobledom. The problem with your plan is as far as noble power games and power plays, its fairly average and there are already systems in place for handling this. It does not bode well for your intelligence that you are angry with me, probably because you perceive me as the only hitch in your plan and you think that as an ally on the same side i should just assent your plan. But if you cant defeat me, you'll have no chance of defeating the nobles in a house war. So really its not me you should be angry with, nore even the nobles which you target. But with yourself.I actually think we should stop before we make the thread too toxic. This is a matter of policy and we will abandon this policy until conditions become more favourable.>reading in courses originating to teach U.S. generals military strategy.Are you asserting the US generals are impartial and non ideological and that the nation places sufficiant value on educating them that way?>>2569294>I feel like Im watching a coked-up 9- year old in a boxing ring going "fite me brah".I feel like im doing pretty well. Afterall the only real talent i have is for debating and ive thrown up several hitches in your plan just from observations. The problem is it all seems so perfect in your head, but when its expressed in writing it comes up with all sorts of flaws. The cheif flaw, and i'll say it again, is that youve planned yourself 3 moves ahead but the enemy isnt even planned to take 1. I belive this is due to a conformation bias; you ask the knee doctor whats wrong he says its a problem with the knee, you ask the neurologist whats wrong its a problem with the brain. And if you ask someone with an MA in National Security Studies, they'll say that you can mobilise a force with parity of arms of 1 to 1, by increasing it with forces that are part of our enemies army. To garrison areas of a planet which are not under threat. And this will be passed through the Senatorum when the law is drafted.
>>2569537>I'm not saying we shouldn't plan ahead but you guys are forgeting that this thing is a narrative game and our 12 step masterplan can be ruined by our wife turning out to be a daemon or a meteor falling on top of our gratest ally because of a bad rollAgreed.
>>2569537>I'm not saying we shouldn't plan ahead but you guys are forgeting that this thing is a narrative game and our 12 step masterplan can be ruined by our wife turning out to be a daemon or a meteor falling on top of our gratest ally because of a bad rollI don't think anyone can disagree with this.All of the incessant arguing and bitching is undoubtedly going to kill this quest.
>>2569537>Have you guys voted on the wife yet?I'd like to know this as well I can't tell who voted for what at this point
>>2569732I voted here:>>2567689
>>2569732>>2567312>>2567306>>25673183 Milnija>>2567315>>25673202 EllyaThen atuism
>>2569732I'm this guy>>2567315On yet another Id and I voted for Ellya as our wife to pacify a powerful house while gaining a good asset to help us navigate the housesWhile inviting milnja to be our minister of war so we can persue a meaningful relationship with a cool girl that we kind of connected withMarriage is just business it's my vote hehehehe
>>2569743I voted for Milnja here >>2567912
>>2569603>Nobles and blood feudAssuming facts not in evidence. What part of the WH40K hive world canon has ANY of that? This isn't fucking 13th century Europe. Is there anything about this quest that is like that so far? or are you just locked in your own headcanon ("that's how I'd do it")?I'd remind you that, nobility or not, this is a HIVE WORLD, not some bunch of nomads. This world is as culturally urban imperial as they come.>House guard under central commandWhich means that houses REFUSING to put house guard under central command are treading an extremely fine line between sovereignty and rebellion. These are not soldiers to be used to wage war against other houses at their whim. If you are arguing THAT, get some strong Canon to back it up.>Angry with you>Talent in debatingDon't misread me - I don't get angry at five-year-olds. I heap scorn on stupid thinking, and that's what you're doing, son. You see, "debating" (making an argument) rests on a foundation of analysis, which is where you are dropping the ball. You are failing to: counter assertion with canon or sources (the logical first step when you disagree with a factual statement), failing to recognize knowledge gaps, failing to challenge conceptualization of critical terms such as "nobility" vs "feudalism" (see your statement on blood duels - this isn't game of thrones), failing to enumerate critical assumptions, failing to dissect grounds and warrant in my arguments and failing to link them in yours... You may think you have talent in debating, but you aren't analyzing thoroughly enough to make a case.Also, you are misquoting yourself from earlier (rather dishonestly). You said I was planning 3 steps ahead, but that our opposition would take decisions 1-to-1. NOW you are saying that I'm planning three steps ahead and that the opposition hasn't even taken the first decision. These are two very different things - the first assumes an agility in the opposition's decision-making structure that equals ours... The second is that we are moving tons faster than they are - which is a wonderful position to be in. Rather than their decisions invalidating ours, they will be responding to circumstances out of date.
>>2569537>Narrative gameYup. The QM will come back, see this, take the parts he likes and ignore the rest. If anything we've provided him food for his imagination.
>>2569902No one even wants to go along with your master plan
>>2569913>If anything we've provided him food for his imagination.If anything you're just being a shit flinging faggot that's making the experience worse for everyone.
>>2569603>>2569902>>2569933Personally I want to wait for Bromwell's opinion once he's out of the hospital, he's far more well-versed in this than us.>>2569743I'm >>2567306 and >>2567320If we can get 2-3 wives, I would go for >Lady Milnja >Lady Ellya >Lady Elehnore, otherwise I would go in that order.>>2568648You mean a hegemony? That's the closest term I can find to what you're talking about. No other variation of searches yields any related results.
>>2569936Now, now. Hes just trying to help in his own way. Its our responsibility as debaters to hear out all possible plans. But yes i will not be baited into replying to him on this policy any longer. He wants to browbeat and doesnt even provide a null hypothesis, but im sure we'll get some use out of him in the fullness of time.>>2570041Or just wait until there is some form of change in the circumstances which makes it more possible... we should really visit Bromwells bed after this.As anon said:>>2569537>I'm sure we will have the opportunity to attack and overthrow one of the houses since the sky pirate prisioners confirmed that there is a patron behind their attack on Ozman's weapons and the same pattern was identifoed on the attack on Grent's convoy.>So as soon as we identify thr traitor we can think of all the fun ways to fuck his shit upWhich means we need to start on that Spy organisation soon. Sure it has been suggested we could simply buy intelligence with the most of our 10million or so budget. But id much rather a two pronged approach where we use the national spy organisation which answers to the governor, and our own private means, preferably in the form of adding someone to our personal retinue to do operations off the books.Vital stats:>One million in PDF active soldiers, three million in reserve, another one million in House Guard.>With it, a private account with ten million Pethan crowns will be yours to spend as you see fit.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20World%20GovernorWe've got some secessionists to crush.
>>2570041Nah, not a hegemony. Closer to the theoretical basis of "shock and awe", where the idea was to use bombs instead of troops to neutralize critical points to prevent mobilization. Only problem is it is notoriously difficult to shut down mobilization with bombs alone - you have to control it, not just destroy it.
>>2569743>Lady Milnja>Lady Ellya You wordlessly get up, walking away from the table as the nobles follow you. “My lord?” Markus asks. This is going too damn fast for you. But if this world, no, this system is to survive, you need to continue onwards, no matter how heavy the burden falls on your shoulders“I have made my decision” you declare as you turn. END CHAPTER 3[Getting close to page 10. Gonna start the next chapter on Saturday noon.]
>>2570339>Until then feel free to discuss and debate the next plan of action. Starting next turn you'll be discussing with Lord Inquisitor Valastron exactly what you want to do.
>>2570339Wait you're not doing the two wives thing are you?
>>2570370Wohooo if we are! \o/
>>2570370Im getting the impression that you don't want that.
>>2570580Yeah, I'm not doing some harem bullshit.
>>2570587It not particularly for the harem. Aren't we just min-maxing who to marry for the pest political outcome?
>>2570595>weI did not vote for that, nor did everyone else.
Yeah i aint into the minmaxing shit. If you want to break all the rules, even the good ones. Press enter now. You win. Goodnight.
And Chapter 3 archived
>>2570637What rules? It's considered lecherous if we go beyond 2.>>2570607It's not like it was stated whether that was an option or not.>>2570133>Or just wait until there is some form of change in the circumstances which makes it more possible... we should really visit Bromwells bed after this.Maybe we should've asked him before making our marriage proposal. We didn't get to bring it up to him before he got terror-bombed.>>2570339>>2570944Guess that's that.