ASOIAF Reincarnation: A Male Powder Fantasy – Thread 15(severely outdated) Character Sheet: https://pastebin.com/RsQUNkkxFuture Updates and Shitposts: https://discord.gg/H4z8wcyArchive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=powder+fantasyPowder Storage – around 60 000 shots worth of blackpowder?7th month of 289 AC, Somewhere in the Iron IslesPersonal Funds – 241 Gold DragonsArmament – Pair of Flintlock pistols, an Imperial Sabre, Mastercrafted Flintlock RifleProtection – Commissar's Uniform with a Proofed BreastplateOn the last thread you made a social visit to your old mentor, Ser Hector Heronford and discovered that he had stopped participating in Tourneys and embraced a life of mediocrity, teaching horsemanship and swordsmanship those that could afford his services regardless of noble bearing.Waiting for Ironborn invasion to arrive, you decided to make use the time you had to earn your first merit in the war to come, namely a detailed map of the Iron Isles, one of such quality that even Varys' spies would have difficulty acquiring one and creating a pair of compasses for Stannis Baratheon and Davos Seaworth whom viewed such devices with a small degree of awe. When the news of the war arrived, you wasted no time in making it known that you had experience of the Iron Isles. It was not long till you were dragged in front of the Small Council, an opportunity which you used to present your recently made map which had impressed even Varys for it's quality. During this exchange, you also learned that Archmaester Ruger had passed away of old age during your travels and Pycelle told you to ask the Citadel for his will.After a brief memorial service to the old man whom had taught you ship architecture and helped build your craft, you were soon to set sail to war and at the Straits of Fair Isle, your vessel left an impression on the Ironborn, crippling many of their ships with cannonfire before the other Captains sunk with their rams. The Display of Smoke and Thunderous pounding had caught the attention of the King himself and that was the second time you impressed him.He even invited you to take part on the battle for Pyke, an invitation that would later be declined as you would have to fight in the same field as the Mountain, whose men burned and pillaged Lordsport with your aid, however as they dragged captive women with them to their transports, you decided to make a stand and intimidate the massive knight with gunpowder weapons, slaying one of his men straight through his breastplate before they relinquished their spoils to you.
Whilst this deed had not gone so well with the King, Prince Stannis Baratheon and Lord Eddard Stark were taken by this deed, seeing you in the right. After seeing you and your weapons firsthand in battle, Lord Eddard Stark had decided to offer you a Landed title after the war, an offer which you had accepted.As you returned back under the Command of Stannis Baratheon, it had become clear that he had grown a certain fondness of your weaponry and offered to purchase your ship once the war was done with any such crew that wished to remain aboard. The Price of 6000 Gold Dragons was agreed upon in the end.After this agreement took place, you saw precious little battle at Old Wyk. Either Stannis Baratheon had decided to keep his future investment safe or the higher ranked noblemen were complaining about you stealing their thunder. With your free time, you decided to invite two officers whom had led your men in battle into your quarters and offer them a knighthood in exchange for their continued service and that is where we are right now.
[1/2]You watch out of the windows of your quarters at the Isles, looking upon the assembled warhost before peeking out your office."Sideburns, Boxer, go fetch Dan and Bodrin. Tell them to come as soon as they're available.""Yes ser."You return back to your chair and sit down. Come to think of it, you've never even had a squire before and now you're to offer knighthood to two men. You'll need a septon as a witness and preferably some holy site, but for now, let's see if they bite.After a moment of waiting there was a knock on the door."Come on in."In front of you stood the two blokes, Lieutenant Bodrin and Boatswain Dan. Both were physically older than you, somewhere in their mid thirties. Strong and skilled men with well trimmed beards, but also obedient, discrete, and both sufficiently loyal and literate."You wanted to see us Ser?""I did. Come, sit."As they did, you rested your elbows on the desk and crossed your fingers before continuing."From my perceptions this war is soon nearing it's end. There's likely going to be few if any opportunities for us to distinguish ourselves further.""Even though this war was basically a milkrun for us since we had no casualties or injuries save the few men that got an upset stomach from the local food, we did distinguish ourselves in each battle we fought in...""...so much so that I've been offered a landed title in the North, near the White Harbor."They smile at you"Congratulations Ser"You raise your hand to show you are still continuing"As the superior raises in status, it's his duty to make certain those under him receive some rewards as well, so I've made some arrangements with Prince Stannis and he has agreed to purchase this vessel for his personal use with it's guns and he has been convinced on the merits of the crew remaining the same.In other words, every man that chooses to remain aboard the ship will receive a significant elevation in status for serving the Royal Family directly."Their eyes start widening"Now, the real reason I called you two specifically was because I'd rather you keep you under my own service. You may of course choose to remain aboard this ship, work for the prince and whichever captain he chooses for the vessel or alternatively...""I understand the North is a fair bit colder than the Reach and I understand you'd need something to convince your families to follow me into such a... rural region, so...""Lieutenant Bodrin, Boatswain Dan, if either of you is interested in joining the ranks of the gentry, I'd offer you each a knighthood for your excellent service in battle, that is should you continue to serve under me loyally.""S-Ser...""Just say yes and start thinking about your own heraldry. I'll need a man with experience on commanding musketeers to train my guard and I'll need a man with experience with cannons for the artillery."
[2/2]"Yes, Ser Arthur. The Family won't be too happy, but I'll convince them.""Excellent Dan, or should I say Ser Dan? How about you Bodrin?""You hardly need to ask Ser. Knighthood is something a Reachman dreams since he's a boy. You say jump and I'll ask how high."You relax your back on the chair."Good. I'll look to finding a Septon then. I presume you'd like to be anointed at Oldtown where your family, friends and enemies can see you? I can't exactly promise you a grand ceremony in the Starry sept, but I'll see what I can do. For now however, you're dismissed and free to tell the men about their elevation in society and that of yours naturally."They both raise from their seats and bow before leaving out of the door.Well, now that that's sorted out-Before you can finish that thought, you hear loud cheers from the other side of the door.Looks like the men took it well enough.A Month or so later, the war had come to it's conclusion, much in the same way you had anticipated. Robert and Eddard had successfully Stormed the final keep in Pyke and made Balon submit, reclaiming all the stolen gold and thralls from the Isles and then some. Balon swore fealty to Robert and Eddard Stark took Theon Greyjoy as his ward."Ser Arthur, I was hoping to hear from you.""Lord Stark, I'm here to become your sworn man, should you still wish for my service.""You are known as a brave knight and a fine leader of men, Ser Arthur Tallon. I shall be pleased to accept your sword into my service and bestow vassalage upon you, if you are ready to swear homage to me.""I am ready, my lord.""Good, we'll stop by Oldtown on our way back and you'll give your oaths unto me in the Starry sept before your gods. Meanwhile I'll see to what sort of lands you shall receive with your coming lordship.""My Lord, might I ask to proceed to Oldtown ahead?""Not partaking in the Tourney?""I'd expect blood to be spilled if I did. No sense in souring the mood so soon after a successful campaign. Besides, one of my friends died in Oldtown some time ago. It seems only fitting I'd go read his will.""As you wish Ser Arthur. I trust you'd wish to meet your family as well."Right now you're in Oldtown whilst most of the army was celebrating at Lannisport. You left the service of Stannis Baratheon with no hard feelings and agreed that once you get settled in your lands, he could come and fetch the ship at his convenience.You've a fair few things to do on your list.>Try seeing on getting that Knighthood sorted out for your lads.>Send message to your family that you've made port at Oldtown.>Go to the Citadel and ask about Ruger's will>Something else: Write-in
>>2489576>Go to the Citadel and ask about Ruger's will
>>2489576>>Go to the Citadel and ask about Ruger's will
>>2489577Go to the Citadel and ask about Ruger's will
>>2489576Why not everything?
>>2489576Should we swear loyalty to the starks under a weirdwood tree once we are in the north? Eddard said >you'll give your oaths unto me in the Starry sept before your gods. So it might be a good idea
>>2489638Nah, we have no reason to switch. Ned will respect us holding our convictions, rather than changing them at the drop of a hat.
>>2489576>>Try seeing on getting that Knighthood sorted out for your lads.>>Send message to your family that you've made port at Oldtown.>>Go to the Citadel and ask about Ruger's willcan we vote for all three?maybe in the order message>will>knighthood
>>2489675Supporting.This seems like the best plan of action.
>>2489675Supporting this instead
Fucking fags, we were given 3 options so pick one>Citadel
>>2489781It's the classic anon move, get three options, choose all three; it's not a new phenomena.
>>2489659There are no chapels to the God-Emperor of mankind anywhere in Westeros, the seven aren’t our gods. We are an Imperial Commissar not some unenlightened heathen.
>>2489894I used the plural for a reason, faggot.
>>2489939That's the first person singular present mediopassive you uncultured pleb.
Soo what will we call our landIf we have a castle i vote cadia If city romeMud huts like in África i vote shire
>>2489938Then why did you say *a* phenomena?
>>2490004Small castle with a small town beneath it.
>>2489675>Go to the Citadel for Ruger. If possible while we are there>Send a raven to our family
>>2490004>>2490199How about we name it something original? Like something having to do with our possession of gunpowder or muskets.Grey Smoke Keep? Great Gun Hall?
>>2490464Fuck no these are gayer than naming it Queen Fairy Hall of Dildos.
>>2491413>Queen Fairy Hall of DildosI think we have a winner.
>>2490464>>2490497>make a name revolving around guns>warhammer referenceNuln.Name our town and castle Nuln then build a gunnery school and if we have a river, some rudimentary water wheel powered industry.
>>2491811 that area also the one most associated with death? Isn't it?
>>2491811Nuln seems pretty Legit.
>>2490004We could troll The Lannisters. Name it Castamere. Or perhaps Valonqar
>>2492037Lolno, while kek as fuck, we would get some bad backlash and would probably cut off any deals with them.
>>2490004Well, I say we call the castle 'Solitude'. It's Superman reference, an Elder Scrolls reference *and* just a cool name for an isolated castle.
How about Blackstone?
> Triumph of the will[1/3]Walking to the walled complex of buildings in your garish outfit, you noticed that besides the faces, the place had remained just as you remembered it. At the reception hall, you saw plenty of students, some young, others well in their thirties, most of them taking passing glances at you in your strange apparel and whispering as you went by. "Name?""Ser Arthur Tallon, an Initiate of the Order."You lower your chain on the table, each link clanking on the marble slab audibly as you did so. He scrivens your name on the paper he has in front of him."Very well. What is your business here today?""I was informed by the Grand Maester Pycelle that Archmaester Ruger had passed away. I am here to see his will."The Receptionist scrivens your reason of arrival on the paper as well."Such matters are handled by the Seneschal. I'll inform him of your arrival. You are to wait until we receive confirmation whether or not he will see you today." You audibly drag your links of the table in the quiet hall and go seat yourself on one of the many stone benches, looking into the eyes of the receptionist the whole time. An Old Novice trick. If you make the receptionist uncomfortable without breaking the rules, he'll handle your case faster to get you out of his hair even if there's a line before you. While later the door opens"Ser Arthur?""I am""You are to proceed to the Isle of Ravens to Seneschal Arvin's office. You are to wait untill he receives you."You walk past the servant and pat him on the shoulder as you go"Yea, top story cunt. Have a good one mate."You made way to the Citadel's designated Aviary, an old castle-like complex with an iron grid built on top of the courtyard to keep the birds from escaping. You had met Archmaester Arvin few times at Ruger's parties. Mellow old beard, but at the same time a bit out there. Hopefully he hadn't gone too senile with his old age. To his credit, you need not wait for long to receive him.
[2/3]The years had not been kind to the old man and his looks had deteriorated greatly. He moved very slowly and he supported himself by a staff as he did, his voice had began to fail as well, turning to like to that of a particularily loud whisper. "Archmaester Arvin?""Seneschal Arvin now Ser Arthur. They told me that you are inquiring after our late friend Ruger. His passing was peaceful, during his sleep I hear. The hole left by his passing won't soon be filled I'm afraid."The Old man took breaks to cough between sentences, it would seem his health was failing as well. There might very well be another Maester taking over him in the coming years."I'm here to inquire about the man's will.""Yes. I suppose as seneschal that is my duty to handle, though the Conclave took liberty of seizing most of his properties as was their right.""I presume this means the presses.""The Presses, rare books, his house, his notes... Most all things were seized.""Most, but not all?""Custom is that certain meager possessions are allowed to be left into the hands of those stated in their wills. One moment... You... servant boy. Pate? Pete? Get me the document on the top left corner. No, not that one, the one next to it."The Ancient looking man takes the scroll and begins looking through it and sheds a single tear. "Very petty, but always generous. He was a good friend. Not many of us old beards from his parties are left...""There, look. 'I leave the contents of my study into my friends and colleagues from the Citadel, Maesters Tobas, Maxar, Theodar and Anryn, to your hands I leave my collection of copies of books from the Maester's library to be split amongst you as you feel the need. May they help you in your service of the Realm and to my apprentice, good friend and finest pupil Ser Arthur Tallon, I leave my collection of introductory manuals copied from the Initiate's section of the Library.""He left me some books?""Quite a few in fact. Well over a hundred common books in a variety of subjects. The Conclave didn't see interest in demanding them to be seized, leaving the decision to me.""That's enough books for a small library.""True, but also waste of space. There's likely not a library in Reach that doesn't have a newer copy of these same books since they're copied by any initiate and novice studying the subject and then sold when a link is forged."He rolls the scroll back into it's leathern tube."If they could be sold, they might be worth several hundred gold. No, I think the shelves of our libraries have already enough to sell and I shan't lower their price. You are welcome to them, provides you won't sell them here.""Wouldn't dream of it.""Very good. Would you care to join me for lunch? They're making fish soup again. We'll talk of good times and friends come and gone.""I'd be delighted to. My cook still hasn't managed to replicate the recipe.""Sometimes I think, that recipe is guarded more closely than the forbidden section."
[3/3]You had a carriage take you and the old man to the dining area and after talking to him a bit longer, you realized that the poor sod had grown very lonely in his old age, mostly birds keeping him company and a poor servant boy who keeps cleaning up after him. He told you how his time working with Ruger, kicking the other scholars around, building the ship and on occasion to comb the library for notes to use in their own books was the best time of his life and how at times they used to go skinny dipping on Ruger's pool with Pycelle and young Aerys Targaryen before the whole madness thing and Duskendale rebellion. Aerys and Pycelle brought women and some Qarthese wine that gave them all the shits day after.The Amazing part is that you're not entirely sure of he made that last part up. He had plenty of wild stories besides that, enough that you could kept listening the whole day. Regardless, his duties as a Seneschal would call him back to his office after you were done with gorging yourselves on nostalgia and fish soup.You are now in the Citadel, left to your own devices. Do you still have business here? > Yes, I should scout for a Maester into my service while I'm here. > Do people even die of old age in this world? I could ask around about those who saw his last moments. > I should just collect my books and go for now. > Write-in: (Something else)
>>2493428>> Yes, I should scout for a Maester into my service while I'm here.
>>2493428>> Yes, I should scout for a Maester into my service while I'm here.I bet we can double the size of our new library soon enough.
>>2493428>Yes, I should scout for a Maester into my service while I'm here.Ideally a competent enough dude to set up the Citadel branch in the Norf. Offer printing press tech to have him stay and compete with Oldtown.
>>2493428> Yes, I should scout for a Maester into my service while I'm here.
>>2493428>>> Yes, I should scout for a Maester into my service while I'm here.
>>2493505Tech exclusively to the Norf branch.
>>2493505Support. Also build our library!
Scouting it is I guess.>Look for a Maester with a very specific skillset (what?)or>Look for a Maester with a very specific personality trait (which?)
>>2495755>Look for a Maester with a very specific personality trait (which?)Someone who won't freak out when we start experimenting with steam-engines and electricity and such. I suppose you'd say someone who's into new discoveries & inventions.
>>2495755>Look for a Maester with a very specific personality trait (which?)Let’s get one that is discrete and loyal. We don’t want our inventions and discoveries spreading, at least not the production and the science behind them. We can still distribute them for people to use, but we have to be only one who understands how to reproduce them, why they work and how they work.
>>2495755we definitely want someone eager and enthusiastic when it comes to tech advances. Maybe we cand find someone with a savant like focus when it comes to tech, sort of a Qyburn lite. qualifications-wise links or at least interest agriculture, architecture, prospecting, maybe commerce, obligatory healing. Overall if we find a steward type that also can perform those other duties maesters are expected to we'd be golden
>>2495755>>Look for a Maester with a very specific skillset (what?)Agriculture
>>2495895>>2495987>>2496067all of this has my support.
You understand a loyal maester would always do his duty? Both to the Citadel and to you.Maester that would ignore his duties to the Citadel in favor of you would not be very loyal would he? Loyalty is something inspired, not something one starts out with after all.
>>2495755>Look for a Maester with a very specific personality trait (which?)A Maester who is ambitious enough and ideally at odds with the Citadel somewhat (Rugers buddies come to mind). We would "buy" his loyalty and interest with exclusive rights to printing presses in the Norf, thus giving them an edge over the two printers in Oldtown. If we can get Rugers faction, we gain a load of Maesters and a quick start on learning in our lands. Possibly even opening up sons of Northern families coming to us to learn, since the Citadel is in the other end of the continent.
Suggested personality traits thus far:>Ambitious: Isn't loyal to the Citadel, but then again, neither is he to you.>Loyal: Will strive to remain loyal to the Citadel, the realm and you to best of his ability.>Outlier: Disliked by Citadel, but he dislikes them right back.
>>2496727could we actually seek out Qyburn himself (dunno if he's been banished yet) or are we limited to gamey mechanics?
Outlier I say. We can buy books from Braavos if need be.
>>2496727>Loyal: Will strive to remain loyal to the Citadel, the realm and you to best of his abilityIt’s fine.
>>2496727>Outlier: Disliked by Citadel, but he dislikes them right back.
>>2496727>>Outlier: Disliked by Citadel, but he dislikes them right back.
>>2496727>Outlier: Disliked by Citadel, but he dislikes them right back.To make sure the outside world doesnt get our stuff too soon.
>Outlier: Disliked by Citadel, but he dislikes them right back.
>>2496727>Outlier; Disliked by Citadel, but he dislikes them right back.A like minded soul hopefully. Btw, Aerys, didn't we run into someone way back in the tourny who used a fucking fate point? Are there OTHER people who are reincarnated like us?
> An outlierSince you're here, you might as well look for a Maester to join your future court. Still, you'd rather not keep feeding the Citadel information for free. If they want it, they're going to have to pay for it. Nevertheless, you will have need of an educated man or a thousand within your lands, so you decide to go and wander about the grounds and ask around from Ruger's pals about the misfits around nowadays. The Ones that are on the unspoken list that never really gets mentioned, but certain people know exists. The Same list you likely would have ended up in had you become a maester. You knew well from your talks with Ruger that the Conclave picked Maesters they would send to serve different lords carefully.There was a vetting process by which they determined whether the Maester in question would be suitable for the task, but in order to be even considered, they must not be on the list of intentionally forgotten names.From what you heard from Ruger, people were mainly put on that list for political reasons. It was supposedly created as a way to avoid making ripples in a feudal society. Maester after all is supposed to be a healer and an advisor. Nothing more.Though in practice the list was at times used to hamstring certain peoples careers for personal reasons.You remember how Ruger told you that one time in a drunken haze how he put some third born noble brat's name in the list for not using a coaster in one of the tables he had made personally despite being repeatedly told to do so.Apparently that lad ended up as a bitter hedge Maester making hemorrhoid cream for peasants or something despite having the qualifications."He shouldn't have stained my table! Bwahaha!" > Roll for persuasion to see whether or not you can get a name or two>3d6
Rolled 2, 5, 3 = 10 (3d6)>>2496899
Rolled 3, 6, 4 = 13 (3d6)>>2496899
Rolled 6, 1, 3 = 10 (3d6)>>2496899SIGMAR BLESS THESE RAVAGED DICE!
Rolled 4, 4, 6 = 14 (3d6)>>2496899
Rolled 2, 4, 4 = 10 (3d6)>>2496899
Rolled 4, 2, 3 = 9 (3d6)>>2496899...we really need better persuasion if we want to be the leader of anything
>>2497026Yes we do.....
>>2497039Well we spend all of our time learning new crafts or inventing and tinkering, there’s no time for other areas of self improvement. We have had the option to increase our persuasion and other skills before, we just chose not to.
> One degree of successYour contacts weren't particularly talkative on that particular topic. It was something one really ought to talk about even in whispers. However, you did manage to get a name out of them eventually. Some second or third son from a fallen minor house in Westerlands that lost all its lands and titles at the Reyne-Tarbeck rebellion. Claims his family had no part in it, that his family's birthright was seized unlawfully and that good loyal vassals of Tywin had been mercilessly put to the Sword without a cause by his order.His unpopular political stance already made him an unlikely candidate for serving a lord, but he had apparently noticed his career stasis and begun to show great deal of contempt to the authority of the Conclave whom he blamed for having his essays rejected and further links refused.Some said he drank and whored, but others claimed the powers that be have been looking for an excuse to show him the door.Some tell that he at one point was caught trying to cast a curse on one his poison teacher. The Same fellow was still around though, so you concluded his curse had done fuck-all.He was apparently still around studying to pass the time and offering to tutor people for money to sustain his student lifestyle. It would be but a simple matter to hire him to tutor you should you wish to meet the man. The Question is, do you? > Yea, sure. Go an book a session with him on your ship. > No, way too much baggage.
>>2497462>> Yea, sure. Go an book a session with him on your ship.
>>2497462> Yea, sure. Go an book a session with him on your ship.
>>2497462Probably a good money man that will like us for stumping the Mountain.Also need to keep an eye on so he does not jew us like they jewd the lannisters.
>>2497462> No, way too much baggage.
>>2497462>Yea, sure. Go an book a session with him on your ship.We go and talk with him. We dont need to hire him.
>>2497462>YWe should at least meet him to see what he's like for ourselves.
>>2497462>Yea, sure. Go an book a session with him on your ship.
Give me 1d20 for his speciality1 - Glass spinning2 - Forestry3 - Prospecting and Stonelore4 - Carpentry and shipmaking5 - Lawmaking6 - Millcraft and Machinery7 - Castlecraft8 - Languages9 - Herblore10 - Astronomy11 - Theology12 - Alchemy13 - Smithing14 - Healing15 - Stewardship16 - History and Bloodlines17 - Warcraft18 - Ravencraft19 - Poisons20 - Higher Mysteries
Rolled 10 (1d20)>>2500204
I guess this is a good example of why hiring people based on their qualifications rather than their political beliefs is a good idea.
>>2500244 human experimentation in astronomy what was he doing? Grafting mirish lenses to peoples eyes
>>2500204Give me 1, 2, 3, 7, or 14 pls
Can we try to find someone who got kicked for some reason who has a specialty
>>2500317>Not picking 5,6,9,12,13,15,19 or 20
Why not Millcraft and Machinery
>>2500345Because we are already knowledgeable on that shit, we want a maester that fills the gaps we have education wise.
>>2500355BUT, we can always delegate work, for example the designing of an automated loom.
>>2500244Oh please, clearly this is a sign of our new ultimate goal. Pack up bitches, we're going to space!
>>2500327We're already good at most of those things, and probably much better than him at a few.If we could choose, I'd also vote for a glass expert; we're going to want lenses for scopes & such at some point.
>>2500486We haven't even floated a balloon yet, now you want to go to space?
>>2500528Probably, but our time is very limited and Id rather use it for percussion caps and steam engines.
At least we can learn some Astronomy for better navigation, nice skill if you get lost or need to know what time it is, not to mention higher knowledge of the subject leading to being able to measure distance & angle between locations, useful for mapping.
>>2500548Exactly; if we had a glass expert we could delegate the design & manufacture of scopes / sights to him.
How hard would it theoretically be to create a private order of knowledge for ourselves? Bring on some pupils ourselves and teach them, delegating work and such.
Rolled 14 (1d20)>>2500683Extremely difficult and not worth the hassle.>>2500208Well, there are some uses. Figuring out the shit of orbits and such and astronomy has connections to higher mysteries and glass so he most likely has those as secondaries at least.
[1/2]Abusing your privileges as an Initiate of the Citadel, you book a tutor. By all rights, you shouldn't be allowed to use this service anymore, but you're still registered as an Initiate, so why not? You know what they say. Don't hate the playa hate the game.You leave a notice, specifying to Maester Tobias Cotherstone that there's some silver for him if he tutors you, mentioning that he was recommended by a friend. "I'm living at the docks for the moment. Ask for Captain Arthur."Leaving the note for a prospective employee, you returned to your ship and waited until it was getting dark.You reckoned that the Maester was a no-show until the fellows on the night shift knocked on your door and told you that a lost looking robed fellow carrying a lantern was looking for a Captain Arthur. "One moment, let me get decent and send him in."You got off from your PeeJays and made your bed before inviting the Nightowl Maester into your quarters.The Man didn't look too old. Somewhere in his late 30's perhaps. He had a few of links on Stewardship, Ravenry and Healing. Standard issue stuff and several on the subject of astronomy. "Good evening. I was told to look for a Captain Arthur for some tutoring work at the docks?""Isn't it a bit dangerous for a Maester to walk the streets so late?""You'd think so, but few muggers survive in this town without knowing that a Maester's dagger is coated in poison and that his wealth is his knowledge.""Fair enough. I am Ser Arthur Tallon. Captain of the Long Night and the inventor of the printing presses you may have seen in the Citadel. I am the one posted the notice.""I... was afraid that'd be the case. When I saw your ship, I thought to turn around, but...""Why? Do you have reservations accepting my silver?""Few. You are with the Boys club aren't you?""The Boys club?""You know, the late Archmaester Rugers gang?""Ah! Well, I suppose we shared some friends, true.""So, erhm... what did you want me to tutor you in?"You think a moment how to reply to that."Why don't you tell me what you're good at. I see from your links you like to study the stars.""Yes, the study of celestial bodies is a passion of mine in it's entirety. I've even made my own lenses."An Amateur Optician? Now that is unexpected"Interesting, so if I asked you to calculate the circumference of our world, could you do it?""I doubt any man could come into any meaningful value. Such measuring techniques or accurate mathematical formulas have yet to be found to allow to conclusively determine such a thing. Interesting prospect however. One that warrants study I believe.""Ah. Then what sort of applications does your Astronomy have then?""Measuring the change of seasons and the passage of time. Means of navigation, as I'm sure you are aware of as a captain, measuring distances by land and by sea is important for long voyages."
[2/2]"And if you like to believe in such things, it is used by many sorcerers and religious figures in the for determining the right times and places for magical rituals.""How does that work?""Most often it involves determining some significant celestial phenomenon relating to the individual or some important event, such as a star of birth or somesuch and then using calculation to predict the reoccurrence of such an event to try and cause a similar phenomenon to happen again.""And that actually works?""Sometimes? I hear things like that are rather popular in Braavos and the many gods they hold have frequent festivals for such celestial events.""What else have you studied?""Ah, the usual relating to the job of a Maester. Ravenry, Stewardship, Poisons and naturally Healing, the latter being one I have most experience in. Plenty of Maesters copy books for coin, but I reckoned there's more sick people than literate people. I used to hope for getting hired to serve a Lord at one point, but I've long since figured the Conclave has no interest in sending me to court, so I spend days doing healing the common folk of their ailments and evenings studying the stars.""I see." > Is there anything else you'd like to ask him? > Offer him a job Y/N?
>>2500852does he have any links in glass working or is just a hobby?
>>2500852"Do you know anything of metallurgy? What do you think of the North?"
>>2500852> Offer him a job Y/N?>YesSeems to not be crazed nor a madman, quite sane and knowledgeable. Should be easy to gain his loyalty by offering him the position of Maester- he also has the base skills of a Maester along with healing so we won't die of sickness easily. (Maybe open to the occult as he did not dismiss them, something to consider)
>>2500852If he knew how to make glass and the industry involved I would take him, but he doesn't.>no do not hire
>>2500852>Offer him a job Y
>>2500852> Is there anything else you'd like to ask him?If he can actually make stuff from glass> Offer him a job Y/N?>YHe seems sane enough. And the fact that he hates the conclave is a bonus.
>>2500852Explain to him how you would measure the circumference of whatever they call this planet.
>>2500852Ask him about the glass making and> Offer him a job Y
>>2500852> Offer him a job Y/N?Y the change of seasons might prove useful if we tried to bump up the agrarian production of our new fief
Why are so many people YESing his hiring before they even know if the guy can make glass or not?Astrology is the shit, no wonder this guy hasn't been sent to serve in a Lord's court
>>2500852Ask if he could show us some of his lenses.Also determining the curvature of the Earth is really easy. They did it in I think 300 BC. The top of the citadel would be the perfect place to do it too.
>>2501016He hasnt been sent because politics, not because he couldnt handle it.
>>2500852> Offer him a job Y/N?>Y
>>2500852>> Offer him a job Y/N?Yes
>>2501002We already know the longest winter is going to start up in 10 years, no point in hiring a guy who can "predict the seasons" when we already know things are going to go to shit.
>>2501017Erastothenes couldn't pull it off without two reference points, the distance between the two, pythagorean theorem and philosophical thought which led him to applying theoretical knowledge to real world applications.Neither Greece nor their knowledge exists in this world. The fact that I gave you 6 links in numbers already reflects this.The Greatest civilization known to man was Valyria, which didn't rely on any of the same methods as our empires to do it's conquering. This World has remained in the Iron Age for thousands of years.
>>2501126If only we knew of some particular style of military tactics which were effective against iron age levels of technology that could be easily replicated by us without relying on expensive gunpowder...perhaps focusing on a core of strategically mobile and highly trained heavy infantry backed by lightly armoured cavalry and skirmishers. Perhaps with the ability to adopt and use the skills of non-standard forces to adapt to situations and weaknesses in those core forces...
Legionnaires are more expensive to both train and equip than fusiliers.Also, there's more to Roman tactics than spamming Legionnaires.
>>2501166Rather than these, at this point of time as landed lords I think its more important to set up a clear military hierarchy and an infrastructure capable of supporting it.As for cavalry, I don't know what horse cost up at the north but it was always very costly by middle age standard, we probably won't be able to equip more than a few for a while anyway so we should be better off training militias by some trained professionals, then at least we would have a semi capable battle force instead of just peasants.
>>2501214I know, it's just a obvious enhancement over the current method of the Westeros military, given their under-developed military structure and shit. Not to mention it'd be effective against those north of the wall.>>2501254Personally I'd want to combine two things: fast moving horsemen and accurate, armour piercing firearms.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitworth_rifleThis is a extremely accurate rifle. It's recorded in military testing as hitting a target at 2000 yards. If we had a force of 50 men on horse back with these drilled to take advantage of it's full accuracy, we'd be able to decimate forces of anything we face from long range without expending excessive amounts of gunpowder thanks to their high accuracy.Admittedly, they are extremely expensive and potentially beyond us in manufacturing but they could prove extremely effective.I agree though, we should focus on training our militia given we ain't gonna be getting many forces to start off with nor any major population to recruit from. Better to ensure they can care for themselves until we've got a few more people.
>>2501016Why are you obsessing so much over glass? The guy's already said he can make lenses, and the production of glass itself can hardly be a skill exclusive to maesters - are there no simple craftsmen capable of such a task? A competent astronomer and medic is a valuable thing to have, and as far as I'm aware there's nothing stopping us from hiring more maesters further down the road if we find ourselves in need of a particular skillset.
>>2501396 he probably wants a bong
>>2501396Well, there are a potentially lot more useful things we could do with glass above & beyond lenses if this fellow knows his metaphorical onions.If he just dickers with glass in his spare time & only knows lenses, then fair enough; that's pretty useful in its own right, but if he knows more about glass-making, glass-blowing & such then that's even better.
>>2501396Also; as a descendant of glass-blowers I feel compelled to defend it as a highly skilled craft, well above the level of 'simple craftsmen'.
We have STRUCK GOLD. HIRE THIS MAN
>>2502490Meh, he is not THAT great but the fact that he is without outside connections and pretty capable of running our demense without us (so we have more time for percussion caps and steam engines) means he is a pretty decent catch. And, as >>2501396 said, we can always get more Maesters later on. Especially if we set up the Citadel Branch in the Norf we have been talking about. And for any single skill, importing skilled labour is many times cheaper than the appropriate Maester.
Also, since we will not have that much population, with our fancy little town having up to 1000 people, I dont see us having more than 100 peeps in the army at any one time. Personally, Id go with the standing army of 100 and then periodically train the other peasants over time. This gives us a good core and starts off the military pride and dicipline and yada yada track. Future officers and everything...
>>2501305Nobody is gonna be using a rifle with an overall length of 50+ inches from horsepower. Nobody is going to fire a .451 round from horseback more than once before they say fuck it and just do it from the ground
>>2502869I'll give you a C-A pass, but nothing special.
> You're hired"I'd like to confirm something I heard recently. Is it true that you don't get along with the Conclave?""If you're trying to recruit me to one of the factions, the answer is no."You cross your fingers in the best Gendo Impression you could make without eyeglasses."I heard that you had gotten yourself into their little black book some while due to an awkard political stance you held."He raises his hands"Fine. Yes, I believe my family weren't rebels, sure I've at times questioned the conventional wisdom of the Conclave, but I still wear the bloody chain and I follow the damn rules. I didn't break my oaths and I'm not interested in taking part in these petty political struggles Ser Arthur."You smile and wave around the room"So, if the Conclave asked you for a favor behind closed doors...""Even if you're asking for the Conclave, it's still no."You tap your fingers on the table measuring him with your eyes."Have you heard much about the war recently?""I heard that we won and that there's to be a big homecoming celebration.""I am to be rewarded Lands and a Lordship for my contributions in the conflict and I am likely find myself in need of a Maester. The Reason I arranged this meeting with you was to inquire whether or not you'd interested in such a post.""And this post doubtless won't come free I take it.""What makes you say that? I need a Maester. The Job is yours if you want it."He looks at you suspiciously"Why me? Why seek me out? Why not one of the boys club?""Beneficial as working with the factions is at times, I'd still rather the politics of the Citadel remained in the Citadel, so I pulled some strings to look for someone with no connections to any of the factions.""What is it exactly that you're expecting me to do for you?""Regular Maester stuff. You'll help me run my lands, tutor my subordinates, help them get well when they're sick and handle the Ravens. No cloak and dagger shit or political skullduggery. Just do your job, collect your pay and keep my private matters private from the Conclave."He is thinking at of your suggestion very hard"I am unsure, this is quite sudden. Where would your holdings be situated in?""Somewhere near White Harbor in the North. Lord Stark is to inform me when he reaches the decision.""I'll need a day or two to think on this. Is that fine?""Just as well. It'll be some weeks still until the Lord Eddard Stark arrives. I'll expect to hear from you soon and..."You throw him some silvers"Payment for your time as promised."He collects his coins and leaves the ship into Oldtown's dark streets whilst carrying his lantern to light the way.Another day dawns and you got a delivery from the Citadel. You had the book crates stored into the hull of the ship for now. > You've still a few weeks till Lord Stark arrives. What do you want to do in the meanwhile?
>>2502962Could we sponsor some students to learn some subjects on contract that they work for us for a while after they graduate?
>>2502962Have literate crew organize and catalog the books, go reading in the citadel library about alchemy, commerce and logistics so we can set up a decent dock with warehouses and roads and then focus on percussion caps. Tell our family where we are and take a quick look around if we cant buy any books on relevant topics.
>>2502967Who would send them across the continent like that? We either find workers right now before we leave (not a bad idea for carpenters and smiths and carvers, maybe a herbalist) or we offer jobs from our holdings and pray somebody bites.
>Try seeing on getting that Knighthood sorted out for your ladsWe said we could not promise them a knighthood at the start sept, but with ceremony there could we have a private after ceremony once it is done or something of the kind. The lads will love it considering they are Reacher lads.
>>2502962find a septon to kinght the dudes we are taking north
>>2503022Oh, right.I'd forgotten about them.Yeah; we need to take care of this double quick-smart.
>>2502962Lets look into fertilizer and see if cant find books on northern agriculture.
>>2503022and writte a letter for our parents about our achivements and plans on the north, not our plans to industrialize but our how are we going to sell our ship, knight some dudes, get a maester and stuff
>>2502967also this looks like a good idea, maybe some smiths, carpenters, masons, etc
>>2502962Send a raven to the family let them know we will be staying in Oldtown until we get landed
>>2502962all of this>>2503022>>2503116>>2503118
>>2502962>>Try seeing on getting that Knighthood sorted out for your lads.>>Send message to your family that you've made port at Oldtown.Sending a message doesn’t really take that much time, and if we want to see them we need to send it soon
>>2502967You could, but you don't know anyone you'd do such a favor for or would find worthy of such trust since doing so in this side of the continent makes little sense in comparison of having children of prominent citizens undergo such education.>>2503118>>2502994Carpenters in the North are generally speaking better, because they'll have experience with the local wood. Same thing with herbalists, unless you're planning on growing exotic herbs on greenhouses or something.Besides, you don't even know if they'd have enough work on your lands yet since you don't know your holdings.
Do we all agree that the first thing to invest in is powder production first?We can use that to increase the yield of mines and export the stuff as needed.
>>2504169Deal, though we need to figure out sources of saltpeter and sulphur and the actual "factory" itself is a few guys and an ass in a mill, so not that expensive. However setting up roads and infrastructure for our other deals, including the mines, will be priority.
>>2504173 I mean if we have a river we don't even need the donkey or if we have strong winds we don't need it either
>>2504206River maybe, though I understood it is more a shitty little creak. The donkey is nice because its constant and pretty strong and costs little to nothing to maintain.
>>2504208Also, with the donkey we get to have a donkey. I like donkeys; they're lovely.https://youtu.be/ZfiWoVbd3jk
>>2504425Look if you just want a donkey we can go buy one.Shit, we can knight the donkey if we wanted, Ser Ass he'd be called.He'd have a cape and a coat of arms and everything, as well as enough land to graze and shit in peace.
>>2504783>enough land to graze and shit in peace.Can any of us really ever ask for more?
You paid a raven to be sent to Horn Hill. A Message to your mortal bloodkin, letting them know your arrival to Oldtown ahead of time. Lord Tarly ought to relay that message to them. From what you heard from their letters, Bob's been put in charge of trying to whip Samwell Tarly into shape.You also went to the Starry sept in hopes to have Ser Bodrin and Ser Dan knighted in the Starry Sept in the same ceremony where you're to swear your oaths of fealty to Lord Stark. Most Devout of the starry sept had been very accommodating and simply insisted on performing the ceremony himself."Of course! Of course! Though Lord Eddard Stark holds to his old gods, he still had a sept built to his wife and has always given due respect to the faith. We will most certainly accomodate him with this ceremony.""Like I said, I don't mind it being a humble one...""Now, now, it may very well be the most important moment in your life. The Birth of a new dynasty. Conquering hero returning home. Surely some ceremony is required."You give him a bit skeptical look"Look, I'm going to be frank here, I haven't the coin to pay for a grand ceremony. I didn't do much in the way of pillaging during the war and my rewards are holdings in the north, so..."He smiles at you warmly"You misunderstood me Ser Arthur. Yes, we do take coin for wedding and funeral services, this is unfortunate, but necessary to pay for the upkeep for the holy sites and to continue our good work in performing charitable services to the less fortunate.However you just returned from doing the work of the divine yourself, defending us from the reavers and sending such sinners to the Seven hells. Yes, there will be expenses for the ceremony, but I believe it's only fair that those whom you defended show some charity of their own. After all, good deeds deserve praise.""Then you wouldn't mind if I took that opportunity to elevate two men of common birth from this town who distinguished themselves in battle into knighthood?""Not at all. Would you like me to reserve some seats for their families?""I'd like that very much. Thank you Most Devout.""Oh no, it's us who should be thanking you for bringing such swift end to the desecration of the Ironborn heathens. The Septs are now safe once more and our brothers and sisters in faith are being returned home.The Faithful will rejoice in your triumph.""Well, I'm glad to hear it. I believe that's my business concluded for now, unless you think I forgot something?""There's just one detail. Will you be keeping your old name or creating a new one for your coming dynasty?" > I think I'll keep Tallon > House Midas seems fitting > Lord Davenport sounds nice > House Lurkmore. House words: Lurk more > Lord Arthur Belisarius, it's got some pomp don't it? > House Ironsides? > You may call me Arthur von Richthofen! > Write-in Something else
>>2505369>> I think I'll keep TallonI like Talon. Like an eagles Talons, we grasp victory.
>>2505369>> House Midas seems fitting
>>2505369>Lord Arthur Belisarius, it's got some pomp don't it?The general who produced win after win with limited support. Deal.
>>2505369I'm gonna write in>House Von BildhofenThis was the last name of Magnus the Pious. The greatest emperor since sigmar in his time. Modernised the imperial army to use gunpowder weapons and got Teclis to help form the colleges of magic to give the empire some actual magical muscle.He was also from the city of Nuln and it would be fitting since I want to name our castle and holdings after Nuln.
>>2505369 either Talon or just some variation like redTalon
>>2505407Supported, but I want an altar to Sigmar
I'm not really up with the repercussions of changing your name. Would that offend our family or is it something that's just accepted?
>>2505369>House HayhaIn honor of our exemplary marksmanship.
>>2505454Totally normal. With leaving our old name it may become somewhat of a hassle really. The only exception I can think of is the Lannisters of Lannisport. And they are pretty much right on top of eachother. Us moving literal thousands of miles means little in common with our old family, not that they care much.
> Lord Arthur Belisarius, it's got some pomp don't it?
>>2505369> I think I'll keep Tallon
>>2505369> Lord Arthur Belisarius, it's got some pomp don't it?
>>2505407I would have much preferred "House Teach" in honor of blackbeard and our first life but if I dont get any support for it then Ill vote for this instead.
>>2505369> I think I'll keep Tallonwe could pick different heraldry like Baelish did tho
>>2505407SupportingLets go full empire
>>2505369Taking the name of the territory we rule could help with gaining the support of the people or other lords.So that or keep Tallon
>>2505626I'd support House Teach
Well, it's named after the guys who lived there before you until they bankrupted themselves and sided with the wrong side in the war and then driving themselves to extinction with no heirs left.You wouldn't want to take their name
>>2505369voting for Tallon or Teach
>>2505369>>2505410I agree, Arthur Blacktallon, Redtallon, could be a cool nickname. "Arthur the Red Tallon". Arthur Coldtallon to represent us moving to the North? Idk.Pic related tho
>>2505774I support this good goy. The only reason we let him have this gig is because he is our shabbos goy
>>2505369>I think I’ll keep it Tallon.Let’s keep the Aquila imagery.
>>2505407the name would've been good if the quest took place in not!HRE/GERMANY but it takes place in Westeros so it'd seem arbitrary and whimsical as fuck. Picking a name like this would ensure us getting a nickame like "the strange" or "the odd". The name we pick should be somewhat consistent with the culture of the continent we reside in.
>>2505388Supporting this, for basically this reason.I, too, like the eagle imagery evoked by the name Tallon.
>>2505944Absolutely fucking this.
>>2505944The northerners and first men in general have germanic/nordic/cetlic names and its shown with house Stark since Stark is german for strength and it isn't too wierd to have an article with our house name. Von is just an article to signal that our house is noble. I mean house Bar Emmon has the same principle going for it only its using the jewish/hebrew Bar (son of) article instead. I understand your point but I would assert that it would not be too wierd.
>>2505944What are you talking about ? We are already known as a super strange guy. We can’t get any worse really.
>>2505407this but i wouldnt mind Tallon or Von Tallon
>>2506061scratch that, Belisarius is cooler also add the Von to keep happy the wehraboos
If we're gonna keep the family name, why not change it slightly so it becomes Talon with one L? Shows we're related, but also that we're striking our own dynasty from nothing
>>2505369Do we know the name of our new lands? We could maybe do something like how the Karhold Starks became the Karstarks.
>>2505768>>2506294Also, no, not yet
>>2506063Fuck no, "von Belisarius" sounds stupid.
>>2505369Voting for Tallon or any derivatives of it
>>2506735We can keep our fucking Name and not fuck about with it like a bastard or like a turboautist. There are the lannisters of lannisport who while related to casterly rock and family and vassals are technically a different house. Don't see why we kantkeep the name and use our Aquila. People will find away to differentiate us just fine.One will be the north branch and one the south branch. Also a good way to keep some relations with the reach.
[1/2]Your name is Ser Bobbert Tallon. Knight of the Realm, Heir to Copperhall and apparently a nanny.Raven came in some days ago that your madman of a brother had returned from the War and is loitering about Oldtown. Apparently he had impressed the Lord Paramount of the North and is due to receive a lordship after the Tourney of Lannisport. Truth be told, you're pretty jealous. Not of the title, no, but being in the war part. You were honored when Lord Randyll Tarly had praised your virtue and strength, asking him to whip his son into shape, but...Truth be told, you'd fancy your chances much better with the Ironborn than with this boy. He throws and strikes like a girl, he has no motivation to even defend himself, preferring to cower in fear in a fetal position rather than striking back at his foes. You had been told as much by his Master-at-arms, but it was much worse than he had said. I had wanted to partake in the Tourney of Lannisport, but Lord Randyll had said that until he successfully hunts and kills something, you're to try and whip him into shape until he builds some character.However, it feels like you're building into a swamp. You had tried to have a septon try and instill some virtues to him and at first he seemed receptive to it, but whatever progress you make is for naught. He relapses in in a day or two back to his old habits every time. You also know someone is smuggling him pies too from somewhere. He has no business putting on the weight, not after taking him to so many hunts. Sure, he might be a bit too young to kill anything just yet, but you had hoped he'd become interested after seeing how it's done enough times that he'd try it himself.Instead you had discovered he was scared of blood.Still, you haven't given up on the boy just yet but by the gods, he does try your patience sometimes. You don't favor Lord Randyll's sternness with the boy, but he does have a severe lack for discipline which cannot be mended with kindness.Anyhow, that's how you've been recently. Life at Copperhall has been turning out pretty great. There's actually room for decent cashcrops! No more selling overpriced beer to traders for us.Mother has taken to growing roses in the castle garden. Right now, you're heading to Oldtown with your family to meet your brother. You were supposed to make way a bit later for the big victory party the Hightowers are throwing at Oldtown. They say the High Septon has called for seven days of celebration in honor of the triumph over the Ironborn. Even Lord Randyll can't say no to a week off from drilling his son when it is ordained by the High Septon.
[2/2]You were riding in the carriage to Oldtown with your Mother, father and younger sister and finally decide to broach the subject."So, any of you hear exactly where Arthur's holdings are going to be?"Your mother shakes her head"Somewhere near White Harbor at the shore of Bite. Apparently Lord Stark is still ironing out the details. No doubt we'll hear all about it once he arrives.""So... with him becoming a Lord in the North, where does that leave us exactly?"Your father answers that question"You will be marrying Lord Tarly's daughter when she will come of age and live happily at Copperhall until you grow old enough to be taken care of by your own children. As for your Arthur-"Your mother continues"There have been people asking after him, but Lord Stark may have his own plans. It is best to tread carefully for now."You rub your beard as you watch out of the window"I'm fairly certain Arthur has his own plans as well. He has always been headstrong and if he doesn't want to marry, you'll not be able to force his hand easily."She sighs"Yes, I know my son, hence why it must be a good match for him as well. Do you know what he likes in a woman?"You shrug"He doesn't really talk about women.""You don't think he is...?""No, he's not a buggerer, he just doesn't chase skirts.""Well, if you say so..."Your sister looks annoyed"True Knight ought to be chaste and honorable. We should think better of him, not less of him for having the restraint to abstain from such sinful enterprises. Unlike some people I could mention...""It was just one time at a-"Your mother coughs audibly, interrupting you"I'm still looking for someone for Ayenna to marry, preferably a Lord or a Landed Knight, but any well-to-do nobleman is fine for the time being. Perhaps someone at the party and since Rickar is training to be a septon it's fine if he won't marry for the time being. There'll be better matches for him in the future."Upon reaching Oldtown, you noticed people were decorating the streets and preparing for a great festival to be had. Streets were bustling with workers and stalls were being constructed. > To be continued
>>2507859>best waifu material so far is blood relatedit's not fair
>>2507902you are acting as thats an issue in westeros.
Gotta keep the bloodline pure
>>2507934Targaryens had a practical excuse for it what with their blood being magical keys to profetic dreams and as all dragon rider families had high likelihood of dragon acceptance thus instant controlable WMD.Do we have any advice for our Brother with Tarly?We could visit with our knights and try to be a example for the fat fuck to consider. Because he is very r9k and I have no idea anything else that has a decent chance of working. Might as well try inspiration with a live example.
>>2507859I find it funny that the family member we've seem to have won the most points with is the stuffy, religious sister. Though, the young mad genius of the family ended up being an honorable knight in shining armor type, protecting ladies and honoring his vows, that's gotta make a small part of Arthur's mom feel pretty good, even if she wouldn't admit it.
>>2508010To be fair, you haven't been around enough for her to have much of an opinion on you save on your deeds. You were raised away from home by Tarlys for much of her childhood and then went to become a squire to a questing knight. Then come Harrenhal tourney and you make a name for yourself not only as a pretty damn skilled squire, but also for fleecing the Whents by gambling your winnings. You also made a name for yourself afterwards as a scholar when you became de-facto maester and then going "Read the rules again. I don't have an obligation to join you guys."Afterwards, you fucked off again and did some adventuring in the east, came back, fucked up Ironborn so hard you got noticed by the King and are about to receive a lordship for it.She doesn't really know much of you save the outrageous stories she has heard.
>>2508076Wait, are we the cool brother?
Basically, you're like Cousin Okri
>>2508084only not as cool
>>2508097We need to start making bombs
So, if we're selling The Long Night we'll eventually build a bigger, better ship right? What will we name it? Something like Reaver's Lament, referencing the war where we proved ourselves?
>>2508598The Longer Night
>>2508598The S.S. Savage Smasher.
>>2508613The Long Night II; Night Longer.
>>2508598Danknesslike a play off darkenss
>>2507917 if it wasn't then those two blondes wouldn't have had to hide it like the incestuous rich kids they were. Still it's true little sister appears to be best. Not that she has much competition
>>2508598 how about the queen cersei's Revenge. We are Edward Teach after all
>>2508753Maybe just 'Victory'?
Maybe something Dawn related if this is our lategame ship, maybe Dawnguard or Dawnstar. Or alternatively: Stranger's Shriek, Seven Hells' Bells, Seven's Will, Smith's Gift, Reaverbane
>all these names for a new ship>not naming it Mountain Breaker like a cheeky little cuntAnons....
Grungi's SpiritGrudgebearerBugman's RevengePilar of AutumnIn Amber CladSpirit of FireHammer of LightFlame of PurityClaw of JusticeWe have the best names
Speaking of the mountain, and grudges,Do we actually have anyone else in The Book of Grudges outside of Gregor Clegane, known as the Mountain, for stabbing The Long Night?Anyone that has not been struck out anyway.
>>2509919>https://pastebin.com/RsQUNkkxhere is a link to it
>>2509934whoops I meant thishttps://pastebin.com/rnGDKXKa
>>2509935Thanking yous.If anyone not our brother reading it, they will be certain we are completely insane.>>2508097https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congreve_rocketRockets!This way we will finally have a platform to consider using a wildfire warhead for.Also, nasty idea, but we could let the red wedding happen, while we make a habbit of pitching roman forts every time we camp with our army.That way we can storm the twins and kill Bolton's and Frey and claim the Norf, probably by having saved Sansa, before reforming Westeros as a Elector system to prevent this shit.A possibility. I personally would prefer we crash Khal Drogos wedding, dump wildfire and cannon fire on the horde, kidnap Danny and take Viserys's head to send to bobby b for a gold ransom, and kill drogo for shits and scatter his band of savages.Then we keep the dragonbitch as our secret Bedwarmer,fuck her into submission, and wait patiently for the red comet while researching occult and then hatch the dragons.Because why should anyone else have dragons but us? Then we can conquer all of westeros and burn the ice demons and the undead with both a air force of dragons and flying machines, cannons, tercios, and wildfire carrying missiles.At that point we can say we have brought westeros in the same league as the Empire.
>>2509990I think in this case the roman marching forts would be worse than just sacking fortifications to base us out of.Like a small castle, or a walled town.Given that westeros has had like two thousand years of just fucking around building forts and shit.
>>2510019Yes it is suboptimal, but it builds up a excuse to have it even when we are near a "friendly" castle, and if we do lay a siege, a army can not but fuck us because we have temporary fortification. Plus you can not guarantee that each evening you will reach a castle. So every fucking night our dudes will build a wood fort, just like the legionnaires so we do not get sneak attacked or some other bullshit.
>>2510072 keep in mind building a bunch of wooden forts on other people's land out of their own wood is totally how you get people pissed right the fuck off at you. Fort building and Woods management are two very big deals
>>2508598 keep in mind it will be a fair few years before we can even consider that since building up a settlement is going to take a huge amount of money
>>2507902I'm still looking for someone for Ayenna to marry, preferably a Lord or a Landed Knight, but any well-to-do nobleman is fine for the time being. Perhaps someone at the party. Any well-to-do nobleman preferably a lord or landed Knight. I think Mom is giving us the green light
>>2510147Cutting wood would probably be more time consuming than carrying the necessary material with us.
>>2510294Armies need a wagon train to keep supplied right? Load some of the wagons up with the materials we need for a temporary fort, and use the rest of the wagons to make a wagon laager reinforced with the materials we have brought. Quick and easy temporary fortification for our armies every night.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_fort
>>2509990Problem is that you wouldn't have the ritualistic human sacrifice component performed by a blood mage for the whole hatching process.Additionally you'd likely be sold out by literally the first guy that sees Dany and then Bob will want her head as well. Additionally, should Drogo survive, you just guaranteed the invasion of Westeros starting on your shores. Additionally, while you're doing this, you'll not be able to intervene to prevent or influence the war of the five kangs before it happens.
>>2509935This is great.
>>2510310We study occult and can wildfire the wedding podium, after we kindnap Danny.Eh. Manageable some way. Buy a harem of lyseni bedslaves. Shave her head. Something. Dragons at worth it if we move our production in the step stones or somewhere secure, like say fucking skagos. Or if we want to go inquisition, execute everyone outside of us and the extraction target via a sabotaged ship.Drogo must die.Dragons. Worth it imho. Plus after the red wedding we can fight just Bolton for the north if we manage to also nab Sansa.
>>2510331>relying on overcomplicated plots>relying on people>relying on dragons>NOT relying on steel, steam and manpower to do everythingAnon, do you even try?
>>2510356BLUT UND EISEN
>>2510331Are we really enough of a bastard to do that? Also we are totally not trained in magic we are trained in chemistry / Alchemy people only think those are the same thing because they don't understand how they work. Also are dragons really worth it? wouldn't a large portion of that plan count as savagery?
[1/2]You and your family make their way to the old docks. Your brother's ship has a very distinct bearing and you could tell where it was anchored at a good distsnce away. There were several pedestrians taking a look at it, but staying enough a distance away so as not to upset your brother's guards.It would seem that the rumors of Fair Isle were well traveledUpon reaching the pier, your father takes the lead, addressing the guards with authority."Greetings. I'm Lord Bryen Tallon of Copperhall. I'm looking for my son Ser Arthur Tallon. Is he here?"The Burly looking guard with a thick moustache replies with an earthy voice."Regrettably no my Lord, you have just missed him. We've been let to know of your coming arrival however and you're free to wait in the ship at your leisure.""Thank you, I believe we will do just that."As you walked up the pier to your brother's ship, you noticed that the sailors were carefully lifting some crates into the vessel. Curious of their contents, you decided to address one of the workers."What's in those crates?""Hm? Ah, some books for the Captain. The Archmaester that helped design this ship died of old age. Left him a little something to remember him by. We were told to be careful with them, so we're lifting them with ropes and taking them to the dryest part of the hold.""Very well, carry on."You wondered for a moment how many books did those crates exactly contain as you made your way up the ramp to the wooden deck and into the pleasant shade in the bowels of the ship. Inside, there was a Maester sitting on a table, playing cards with a man you recognized as your brother's second in command. Not from his face, but rather from the way he was carried himself and from the short barreled gun on his belt.As they notice you arriving they stand up and bow."Welcome aboard the Long Night my Lords and Ladies. Captain Arthur should return shortly, until then the crew is at your disposal."Your father waves them to be at ease"Come, let us sit. Would you mind introducing yourselves to my family?""Yes of course. I am Bodrin, in charge of the Marines aboard this vessel and this here is Maester Tobias. He'll be joining our future Lord's court I hear. One moment, if you will, I'll go tell the cook to make you something to eat and drink.""Thank you, that'd be lovely."
[2/2]After a while, food and drink was brought in front of you.You look at the Maester sitting in front of you as you dug in."I don't believe my brother mentioned a Tobias before. Did you study with him?""Ah, I only met your brother fairly recently. Rather intimidating man your brother."You chuckle"Trust me, that's all costume. Even if he seems pragmatic and methodical, deep down he's a decent man with a strong sense of right and wrong even he thinks himself a villain and would never admit such."Bodrin takes a swig of beer."He seemed plenty intimidating to me when he was staring down the mountain. How his face contorted into a display of utter contempt and disdain from his usual self I'll never forget."Ayenna speaks out"He did the right thing.""Aye, and thanks to that I've no regrets from that war. I still dream of the man cutting that poor girl's throat you know. I still see her terrified eyes looking at me as she twitches on the ground like a stuck pig in her ropes and then..."He points his fingers and makes a 'bang' noise."I awake at night in cold sweat.""War changes men." you state"It breaks them or makes them." he repliesHe goes silent for a bit. "Please excuse me, I need to go for a moment."After he does, your mother begins addressing the Maester. "So, Maester Tobias tell me about yourself. How did you find your way into my son's service?""Errhm... Well, I hail house Cotherstone, a house that fell during Reyne-Tarbeck rebellion by Lord Tywin's order. I specialize in Astronomy, but I do have full Maester's qualifications and then some. Apparently the future Lord Arthur sought me out through his friends that told him I was a social leper in the Citadel."She smiles"and were you a social leper?""I like to think I'm not? Sure, I like to believe my family weren't rebels and I spent most my free time studying the stars or reading books, but I don't think people actively avoid me.""Aha, so you're a loner.""I do tutor people at times. I don't think I'm a loner."You chuckle"I think you're the textbook definition of a loner. No wonder my brother hand-picked you. Having fun and making friends is fairly low on his priorities as well.""I very much enjoy stargazing.""Much like my brother enjoys his doing his own thing."While you enjoyed your the chicken and ale with the Maester that insisted he wasn't a social recluse, but totally was, the QM ran out of steam and decided to that '2 parts is good enough, right?' and posted the update. As he did so, you felt a deep sense of dissatisfaction at the green text that followed. > To be Continued
>>2510489>maester right now
>>2510682>I'm smart guys totally!>My field isn't a waste of time!
>>2510682>tfw you get bullied in the Citadel
Don't bully Maester Wojak, he can at least still train navigators that know how to use an astrolabe.
>>2510939He's rightAstronomy =/= AstrologyThis guy has a basic understanding of scientific observation and record keeping. We just need to give him a slow burn project on the side that he can pursue his specialty toward a breakthrough.Start differentiating stars and planets, rederiving some keplarian laws, naming some discoveries after us.Remember our long game is sky captain, which will be proceeded by space captain, im sure.
>>2511645succeeded*Proceeded come before something, succeeded comes after something.And easy way to remember it is the Pro gets the Succ, not the Succ gets the Pro.
>>2511689 keep in mind that the space Captain might not happen in this lifetime and since we don't know when our next lifetime will take place it could happen before our current one we might go to space by everyone else's perspective before people fly
>>2511894 and I mean might as in almost definitely. Also I have no idea how this planetary system works it's clearly nothing like the Earth that we originally came from. I used to have this theory that the Game of Thrones universe takes place on a comet instead of a planet to explain the unusual seasons but that theory has proven wrong. Does gravitational orbit even exist? Is the world actually round? The Flat Earth theory might actually be legit in Westeros we have no idea
>>2511910 if only we knew someone who was skilled in the observation of the Stars
How about we grapple with more immideate concerns, like getting a steam engine up and running. Now THAT is some technology right there.
>>2511689*proceededYou're thinking preceded.
>>2512064well arent I a cunt
>>2512102your just a pro at suc'ing
>>2510489 holy shit is this feeling imouto?
>>2514229Holy shit m8 quote posts right
>>2515053 Define right
[1/3]The Streets were now full of decoration and The Oldtown was bustling with new arrivals coming each day, eager to partake in the festivities. Wine and Ale poured in seemingly endless quantities as everyone was partaking in the revelry of the city wide victory party. The Victorious Redwyne and Royal Fleet had returned with the booty taken from the Isles as well as with the thralls and salt wives they had liberated from the clutches of the Ironborn Raiders and the conquerors were welcomed with kisses and drink. There was much rejoicing.However upon making anchor, a messenger had come to see you soon after. It was a letter coming from your future Liege lord, Eddard Stark. Notifying you that he will be paying you a visit shortly to discuss the matter of your coming Lordship. That meeting being right now, his household guard were having a look at your exotic vessel as they enjoyed olives, bread, salt, oil and vinegar with an assortment of various drinks from the banquet your mother had hastily arranged."Impressive vessel your son has built Lord Bryen. I am surprised the Tyrells didn't seek to take him into their service before I did.""My son is a rather willful and private person Lord Stark. Perhaps things might have ended that way had he been more of a social butterfly, but alas he sought the company of scholars, merchants and sailors over the high society."He pulls out a map from a leather tube."I've come to a conclusion on the domain I'm granting to your son. There's a Small Castle on the coast of the bite, it's last male heir now residing at the Wall and the last female member of the house was raised as a ward by the Manderlys."He points his finger around the area roughly in parallel to Moat Caitlin. "His Domain will be four by four leagues. It's not much in comparison to most of the Northern lords, but there's some Iron and Coal mined in the region with some peat and forest too I hear, so he'll not want for fuel come winter.""It's more than I could have asked for. Before being awarded Copperhall, our holdings were but a fourth of that.""The North is not as fertile as Reach, but we've got plenty space.""About that ward lass...""Airis Fullaxe I think she was called. In the North a mother cannot give to her children something that isn't hers. As far as Winterfell is concerned, the last heir to that holding died at Pyke. Still, if she worries you, your son could always offer to marry her if need be.""That's true I suppose. Has my son told you yet about the thing in the Sept?""The Most Devout wanting to host the ceremony? He may have mentioned it. I do not mind, I learned from my wife your southern gods enjoy such things... and there's the man himself. Ser Arthur! You should that King Robert wishes to speak with you after you take your vows."
[2/3]Stats for your coming domain30 Defense21 Wealth46 Lands16 Power12 Law19 Population35 InfluenceDefense holdings: 30/30 > Small castle overlooking a townBy your world's standards, it's not that small of a castle. It has a keep, a gatehouse, a courtyard and two towers.Lands: 46/46 > Terrain: Plains (5) Coast (3) - Fishery - Herb Fields > Terrain: Hills (7) Stream (1) Small Town (20) - Basic Mine > Terrain: Wetlands (3) Light Woods (3) > Terrain: Wetlands (3) Grasslands (1)Wealth: 20/21 > 5 Fishery +1 House Fortunes > 10 Basic mine +2 House Fortunes > 5 Herb Fields + 1 House Fortunes
[3/3]Come evening when the Stars began to pop into sight, the bells rang seven times before and the choir of altar boys sang hymns of the Warrior in their white robes. "...Nor will I by with will or action, through word or deed, do anything unto him which is unpleasing to him, on the condition that he will hold to me as I deserve it, and that he will perform everything as it was in our agreement when I submitted myself to him and chose his will.This I swear until the day I die."After you swore your oaths of fealty and allegiance on your knees in the white ceremonial robes at the black marbled halls of the Starry sept, the choir sang once again, this time hymns to the Father and the bells were rang seven times as you were anointed to your new position in society by the Most Devout before the eyes of gods and men."Rise a Lord Arthur Tallon and serve me and my house faithfully."You stand from your knees and you don a heavy cloak of bright yellow linen, the colour symbolizing the Father in the faith of the seven. Once that is done, two altar boys offer you to take upon a scepter in one hand and scales in the other as well as a third one with a sword.You take the sword and call upon your officers. "Bodrin, Dan step forth. For your skilled leadership, valor and loyalty in the field of combat, I hereby offer you a knighthood should you accept it.""Bodrin, do you swear before the eyes of gods and men to defend those who cannot defend themselves, to protect all women and children, to obey your captains, your liege lord, and your king, to fight bravely when needed and do such other tasks as are laid upon you, however hard or humble or dangerous they may be?""I do, My Lord."You tap his shoulders with the blade."Rise a Knight, Ser Bodrin.""Dan, do you swear before the eyes of gods and men to defend those who cannot defend themselves, to protect all women and children, to obey your captains, your liege lord, and your king, to fight bravely when needed and do such other tasks as are laid upon you, however hard or humble or dangerous they may be?""I do, My Lord.""Rise a Knight, Ser Dan."After this were done, you returned the sword to the Altar boy and took the scepter and scales. Afterwards your knights took upon their shields and swords. Dan had chosen a picture of a cannon as his sigil whilst Bodrin had chosen a musket.With this done, the Most Devout gave his blessings as you walked in trail of Lord Stark and his household guard, flanked by your knights. > Congrats! You're an Lord
>>2515123 we should spend the rest of the festivities with our family perhaps give a hint to Bob of some kind
Sorry if the pacing is a bit off. This stuff is more or less made up on the spot.
>>2515148 oh right we probably have to talk to Sean Bean or something to that effect
>>2515148"Sam is a bitch, and always will be. Lord Tarly will run out of patience far sooner than you can build a castle on swamp. Don't be brought down with him."
Since we have lots of influence, we should use that to our advantage. We could trade some to improve our fief immediately. We also have connections the the merchants league or whatever they are called, essos, and our family. Utilize our land, trade off herbs and spices or whatever. Use the iron and coal to kickstart our own industry to outfit an army which we could use to take the stepstones.
>>2515203Why do we need the Stepstones? Let's get filthy rich in the North making glass and building factories.
This is the perfect time to get that distillery started.Nothing northeners like more than proto vodka.
>>2515203Without some MAJOR increase in Pop, we will not take the Stepstones any time soon. What we can do, however, is industrializing the shit out of this region. >>2515208All of that is smallfires compared to taxing two continents at once for trade that flows through the Stepstones. With a fleet of gunships and starforts to lock down the straits we can get so filthy stinking rich off even meager taxes Tywin will come to US for a loan.>>2515215Probably a good first step. We need a lot of builders and engineers though. So might want to keep our eyes open for that.
Additionally what are our plans for the State/Personal religion.We could have a sept vs old gods conflict in our lands
>>2515235Nah, both religeons are spread in the Norf and while not popular, the Seven are not burned. So wouldnt worry about that. Besides, we currently lack a Sept on our lands and I see no reason we would build one.
Here's some holdings on the rulebook. The Core Book holdings are scrapped at the time being.
>>2515208Not as filthy rich that we can become full independent. >>2515231Yeah. Even with sail ships the only ones who need not bother is bravos and white harbour.Everyone else will be going close by the step stones. The reason why all the free cities prefer it to be a pirate infested shithole, as it is less constly over the long run than any stable government.But with a decent fleet and some regular support from our lands we could pull it off.We will need a minimum of about ten thousand troops, a decent fleet and the ability to plonk three or five starforts.Not quite as impressive as a dragon like the last time there was a kingdom of the stepstones, but doable.>>2515203That needs a lot of people. The north is competing with Dorne and Iron in low population and it beats out almost everyone in lowest population density. Perks of being quasi Siberia.>>2515203Blast furnance, distillery and cement?Kind of work intensive but probably things to be appreciated and that will sell.But we need gunpowder production to buff up our mine and keep Stannis supplied and happy, plus a musketry line to sell around.Still we have what, less then ten years until the succession crisis hits and the war of five king starts? Dunno if we can get that many men and gunships by then to have it all done by then.
>>2515370Likely, we will have a few gunships and a limited amount of well-trained musketmen. Ideally we would have some sizeable industry back home but that depends on how well we sell everything from now on. Also, there is always the option of delaying or cancelling the war, though this voids our precognition.
>>2515418We could attempt it with about Twenty frigates, ten per continent archipelago area to blockade and some ten or more Long Night sisterships to sink any pirate in the archipelago.This would mean a not so great need of men or starforts if we can conquer three islands and then slowly island hop at our leisure the blockaded fuckers.Could be done with three thousand if we can somehow get line infantry. But shit is going to be tight and we will need a massive increase in manpower to hold them.Funny enough we can increase that number since what we need is not necessarily combat capability but garison duty more than anything. So, two or three larger mercenary companies ought to do it.We might even have the money for it. Woludvery much love to get the Golden company but the whole Eggon buisnesis a major wrinkle.Another thing that we might want to consider is the assassin buisnes. We can have sharpshooter/quasi snipers and with some swamp ninja training in the neck, and some beyond the wall survival course we could have another option in dealing with shit.Might as well get some vindicare death cultists.
So... we gonna marry the lady? It would cement our claim, leaving us a stable foundation rather than "Lord Stark chose us, it's ours now"
>>2515778Nothing to gain from her, unless she is a genius at everything we better get a ho with some money attached.
Congratulations! Due to following deeds, Robert Baratheon, first of his name, King of the Andals, Rhoynar and the First Men, Protector of the Realm and ruler of the Seven Kingdoms has decided offer you a boon.>The Contribution of an extremely rare and valuable tactical maps ofthe Iron Islands during wartime.>Extraordinary distinction in the battles of Fair Isle, Lordsport and Downdelving.>Invention of Black Powder Weaponry.>Invention of a Compass.>Upholding the Honor of the Royal Fleet.>Sage Counsel on the navigation of Iron Isles.King Robert has decided to henceforth grant you a stipend of 5000 Gold Dragons for your extraordinary achievements to help you settle in your lands under the service of the Starks. In addition to this, you also gain 10 points of [Glory]![Glory] can be utilized at a 1:1 transfer rate to increase stats in any one of your holdings and is only earned through some extraordinary achievements, such as vanquishing your foes.Your current holding's stats are as follows30 Defense21 Wealth46 Lands16 Power12 Law19 Population35 InfluenceHow you'd like to distribute or hoard these 10 points is entirely up to you. From here on out, the game will turn a lot more like a Civ quest save for the various diplomatic talks and such.
>>25159139 into Law and 1 into Popupulation
>>25159132 to Pop to get it to 21+ and get the next tier so we have actual people to govern.8 to Law so we get near 21+ so our lands are not a Lawless shithole. The missing 1 we can get by buildings, then again the 2 missing Pop can also be gotten by buildings.List of things in here >>2515260
>>25159132 to pop8 to law
>>25159139 to law1 to pop
>>25159132 pop and 8 law.with a domain of our size it should be really easy with our prowess and the competency of our dudes to bump that law up over the edge. attracting settlers/growing the population would take more time.
>>2516123Not really. Mechanically we just have to build buildings for that to happen. Its just a question of which first.
2 pop8 lawWe could try to get hector with us.Our knights are not really knightly trained for one, and cavalry is nice to have. Especially if we will lack manpower.Also an extra commander won't be amiss. Especially a oldstyle combatant to bounce off ideas.Plus, fun guy to be around.
>>2516234And the pyromancer we met if possible.
>>2516234A commander role I can understand, but cavalry is shite vs musketmen. Especially when the musketmen are trained engineers too. So while it would be fun, he isnt worth it.
>>2515370We should limit the spread of gunpowder weapons. Let stannis have his little bit, maybe a few for Ned Stark, and the rest for us. We don’t want other people gaining parity with us. A few pike blocks and the rest of our army as muskets and we should be solid
Since our Maester is an astronomer and glassblowe we could have him help make optics for long range rifles if we want some elite long range skirmishers. A rifle with a scope could take out an enemy lord or commander before any kind of fighting starts.
>>2515963By Sigmar yes!
>>2516566THIS ACTION HAS MY CONSENTHOLY SIGMAR BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY
>>2515913I will miss the more narrative storytelling
>>2517018You are acting like that isnt still going to happen.
>>2517730 seems to be indicated in the post I was responding to save for diplomatic talks apparently
>>2517018Well, what I meant was that you'll be doing far less adventuring and shit with far more base/nation building and then dealing with both the reactions of your neighbors to your presence and actions as well as whatever internal strife appears in the realm as a result.
So, did you guys want to keep this one as a sigil for your dynasty or did you want some sort of Aquila flag?
>>2517864 what does the Laurel represent?
>>2517870It's not a Westerosi symbol, but in Rome they were symbols of martial victory where a successful commander was crowned with laurels.Normally in our world it's used to represent either victory, honor, academical or athletic triumph and the likes of that.
>>2517884Have we decided on our house words yet?
>>2517884 I would not change our flag. The Aquila is The Emperor's symbol not ours. We are a planetary governor / Imperial Guard Commander. Like Lord commissar Sebastian Yarrik
>>2517899 that probably comes later
>>2517864Our sigil is fine really.Keeping the sigil is in line with our knight turned lord reputation
Alright, I made a bunch of mockups to choose from for our heraldry.Please note that none of these are quite finished, but the most popular one will be worked on further.
>>2517991C1 and C2 are amazing. you are of genius
>>2517991C1/C2 are bretty gud
>>2517991Yeah C1/C2 look awesome
>>2517991C1/c2 get my vote
>>2517991Summon the elector counts!We need more votes on this
How about this one ?
>>2518003>>2518009>>2518014>>2518021Whats with the olive branch? It has no connection with us. A1/2 much more so.
>>2517864I actually like the original>>2518077Its the new zealand fern meme. I think
>>2518037gives me urges to wage jihad against the infifel
>>2518102Literally not connected to us. The creator himself said its because memes in the Discord.>>2518090Yes
>>2517864I vote we keep this.
>>2518242Ill second that notion.
>>2517991how about c1/c2 but with a wheeled cannon instead of the fern
>>2518302We could also be an asshole and use instead of fern or cannon Mendeleev's Table.
Okay, I'll make the final round of heraldry based on your guys' feedback as soon as I get back from the doctor's office.
>>2517991C1 maybe with a musket below
>>2517991c2, remember the essential part of flag making: keep it simple, it needs to be easily made while also being easily recognizable.
>>2518090>new zealand fern memenigga what
OKAY!Round 2 based on feedback.Take your pick.
>>2518858I am liking c4
>>2518858>B4Gotta go with the fern
B4You sunken my destroyer
B4 too good
>>2518858>B4BY SIGMAR!BLESS THIS RAVAGED INSIGNIAPRAISE THE COMET
Okay, pretty obvious which ones you guys like the best.Time for the grand finals, winner gets the polish.
>>25190742 for sure
>>25190741glory to the seven
>>2519074>2Fern is best plant
>>2519098It's supposed to be an olive branch.
>>2519103In my heart it will always be a fern
I know that round was kinda quick, but you guys seem really attached to this one.Is there any edits, embellishments, or suggestions or is this the final you guys want.
>>2519133replace the fern with a star
>>2519145The fern stays faggot
>>2519145>>2519147While I do acknowledge that having the star would keep us in better standing with devotees of The Seven, the OLIVE BRANCH (NOT A FERN) occupies that space a lot better.
Keep the branch, it symbolises our heritage from the reach well and looks damn good. Admittedly the empty black below the twin-eagle is a little weird to me but I think putting something there might make it too crowded.
>>2519133I like it
>>2519156give this man a fern with seven leaves.
>>2517864Still putting my vote to the OG one. Even if there is no imperial eagle.
We will make a grand castle that will give casterly rock envy
>>2520943http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barak_VarrOf the best craftsdwarfship!
>>2520943>http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barak_VarrWhy ever make castles? We just need to make steam engines so we can expand our iron mines so we can make a Bessemer Converter so we can make an Ironclad and Panzers and just Blitzkrieg all over everything. Not sit in our castle thinking we are rad. Thats what Harren the Black did and it didnt work out well for him.
>>2520997Because fortifications never went obsolete and because people tend to want to rob you when you've got cool shit and no defenses?
>>2520997I hardly think building a castle is comparable to harren who got literally roasted alive by dragons he couldn't do shit to.
>>2520997Why would we waste that much investment on shit we don't need and won't get ready. Trench works, siege cannons, wagon forts, gunships, and tercios or line infantry. That is our bread and butter. Think musketeer era +/- warfare. Tanks we are lucky to get one or half a dozen and they will be unable to hold anything except be a spearhead against a army and will get fucking bogged and dismantled by the undead tarpit that you can bet your ass we will face. Seriously, trying to get dragons is less of a pie in the sky than tanks, and eminently more achievable and with a more practical application, less cost, way, way less opportunity costs, andthwt is not the most balanced of spitball ideas out there.
>>2520997We don't have the time nor the infrastructure for that sort of thing, at most we could get those war wagon things Hussites used
But seriously though.We do need a decent castle just because of the political aspect.Cant be rocking the boat too much as we still need a recognisable center of government.
You guys should be aware that using tanks for offense will be hell due to fuel, maintenance and repair limitations.Also, it would take like a decade to build an ironclad anyhow with Napoleonic tech levels and infrastructure which you lack.
Have you guys considered if you wanna actually run with like a political platform or something? Not like an Ideology or anything, but like rousing support for what you're planning on accomplishing on the lands and such.I mean as a lord you don't HAVE to address your subjects, but you can give them a quick rundown on what you're planning if you'd like.Either through town criers or through speeches. Not that you're a guy with much charisma, still, it's decent practice.
>>2521180We really need to say to our subjects that we aren't here to enforce the sept.The seven wont garner support in the north.In terms of statement we should probably say we are focusing on building of crafts industries and not agriculture.
>>2521180well, we are going to try a bunch of schemes that would result in wealth and we'll probably put some of that money in developing our demesne so we could emphasize that we care about the smallfolk and we'll bring prosperity to our lands. We could also pay a bunch of bards to sing about us standing up to the mountain and generally paint us as just. Concerning faith and culture, what do the demographics look like in our land? Are they majority first men old gods believers? Is there a significant andal seven faithful minority?
>>2521185>>2521188Religeon is not something we care about and since we have no sept we need not get involved. Not like we care and the people dont care much either.>>2521180Since we will be doing a "here I am" speech anyway we might as well let them know what we are all about, that being more work and better conditions.>>2515960As to this, we should change 1 Pop to 1 Law so we get over the Law barrier and we dont get a -5 to our fortune rolls, instead a -2 at 21+ Law vs a 1 point drop for the Pop drawback from -2 to -1. So basically, we go with this >>2516071 and we dont get fucked by lawless savages. There are more chances to increase Pop than there are to increase Law. I change my vote to >>2516071
>>25211999 law1 popTy detailanon for illuminating us system tards.
>>2521199Just so people can see
>>25159139 law1 pop
>>2521199Changing my vote i agree with you but a mention how we aren't going to step on their religious shit wouldn't go unwanted.
>>2521297Sure, but it shouldnt be a central point since we have no stake in the religeon game right now and it would stir up dust we dont need.
>>2521304i never said it should be a central point.I said it should be a quick statement.Like third page on a newspaper style deal
"My main job here is to provide you safe streets to walk on, a roof over your head, food on the table and money in your pocket.”
I think we should not take a stand on issues of religion. The Faith is a great client for printing presses if needed and a provider of skilled and unskilled labor that doesn't try to steal women and property like wildlings do.
>>2521199Won me over.>>2515913Changing >>2516123 (hopefully the IDs will match) to 9 law and 1 pop.
>>2521203>>2518368This be me. Same person.Again,> 9 law>1 pop>>2521334Brevity be the soul of wit.Also, who knows maybe we might get a bit if culture clash akin you the tourneyfag from da norf that avoided The Great Book of Grudges.By the by, we ought to commission a very fancy book whit metal covers for it to be authentic.
> 9 law>1 popgotta minmax the fortune rolls
>>2515913Changing to 9 law and 1 pop for better bonusesPic unrelated
>>2521325Bringing up issues that aren't issues is the key to causing division and moral outrage in the field of politics.
The Quest will be in bit of a hiatus whilst I actually figure out how this holding gameplay will actually work out.Sorry for the delay it's my first quest.
>>2522484fine by me just keep the good shit rolling.Could borrow the system from that first GOT quest with that harald of the vale bloke.
>>2522484gotta do what ya gotta dolooking forward to it
Proto imperialism here I come
>>2521443Nice Napoleonic warfare meme. Been a while since I played.>>2522484You must be jesus incarnate to make a quest this good on your first try. My doctor lied his ass off when he said I had 130 IQ because nothing Ive made on this site reflected that number.
>>2522484Very, very good for a first quest; I probably wouldn't have known it was your first quest if you never mentioned it.Pic unrelated
>>2523196 I don't know depending on your point of view a Renaissance depiction of God might be related to everything
Which way do we wanna go with our units? Mass levy infrastructure, making plenty of cheap line infantry so we can be super intimidating wall of guns or do we go with invincible super elites that get the a metric fuckton of training and newfangled gadgets?I personally we'd rather have highly mobile force of gun cavalry, but infantry deathstacks are great too.
>>2524819Highly mobile infantry.Veterans can opt for additional training and become a part of the Engineer's Corps.Engineer's would basically be special forces with German aesthetics.Real frog-man, stealth infil-exfil through toilets, poisoning Castro's ice cream and fucking his wife type shit.Just imagine pic related but with a musket, combination bayonet/combat knife, breastplate, mail underneath, and some scary ass face mask.
>>2524831Also puttees. Can't forget puttees.
>>2524831How can infantry be highly mobile though? Sure we could make cavalry unusable in our terrain with rock formations, but that is just for home ground.
>>2524831also fuck me I just realized that's an Italian paratrooper, not a German trooper.This is closer to the basis of my idea
>>2524842I don't know how the highly mobile part got in there, that's probably my clipboard fucking up.I should have said "Ghetto Musketeer infantry."
Guess that means defensive doctrine then? Plenty of ditches for horses. Plenty of formation breaking stones and stone fences. Might I also hope for a railway system even for moving between tactical points? Oh! And a gun train as a mobile fortress!
>>2524831This. 100% Add some outriders with pistols to harass the enemy and cut them off for the core line infantry to volley/cannon spam and we win. >>2524842Make them less dependent on supply lines, have them carry their ammo with them and train them to pack up quickly. Since they dont need much armor they get rid of a lot of weight.
>>2524852No, mobile doctrine, since we lack the men to make actual trench lines and we will be forced to hunker down in forts. Now a quick army of muskets with some pistol cavalry? A lot more deadly, especially if the cavalry can harass the enemy from afar without ever needing to face the enemy cavalry.Also train tracks are valuable so they will be stolen quickly. Only use them in guarded areas under our direct control. Like the way from the iron mine to the smelter/fore complex and from our town to the docks.Also, with steam engines, we can think about radio towers.
>>2524859I meant for our own lands. Like we disregard conquest, consolidate our power and make every holding tile a tarpit for any goes trying to reach us or raid us, thus keeping our foes as far from our factories as possible.
>>2524859You can't make infantry quick without turning them into cavalry.
>>2524866For our own lands thats fine, as long as it doesnt get in the way of our growth. I personally thought about consolidating industry near defensible locations where forts or towers can bombard with cannons and such.>>2524869Not as in running speed but as in time it takes to start moving. Drill them in quick setup and have them carry much of their equipment and supplies. They wont outrun cavalry but they should be faster than the infantry of the other lords since donning armour is not a thing for us and our men can carry at least a battles worth of ammo on themselves at all times.
>>2524876So basically replace armor with supplies and expect them to somehow be faster than regular infantry?I guess we could train them to run faster, but what is the point again? The run from infantry and get rekt by flanking cavalry.Would be better to just go for pike and shot.
I also doubt that the notion of having peasant levies carry supplies is a novel one. Rather, I expect every lord would have their lads carry as much as possible to put more room on carriages.
>>2524906I think youll find having gunpowder shot is lighter than chainmail and better than arrows. And again, we are not talking about infantry vs cavalry. Our cavalry counter would be light cav with pistols so they can outrun and outrange the traditional shock cavalry of the medieval era.As to pikes, why even bother? With flintlocks and proper training our men can get off 4-6 shots per minute. Id like to see the idiot who wants to face 10 volleys of musket fire before they even get into range. Not to mention cannon fire from even further away AND the effect of pistol outriders harassing them all throughout the ordeal.The idea is not to make our men sprinters but to make sure they can get up and start moving faster and that they are as independent of supply lines as possible so the speed of wagons is not the limiting factor of war. With support from light missile cav and cannons an agile core of line infantry can wreck some serious shit.
>>2524911Consider how much room arrows take and the weight of armor and arms and you get an idea of how much more a man without chainmail and a shield can carry.
>>2524913That is assuming you get to pick the terrain. If we are a one trick pony, it will just take some drizzle to kill us again, so we either need mobility or staying power.Perhaps heavy gun infantry with muskets as backup weapons?
>>2524915With being the first to move we will be the one to pick the terrain. And what do you mean heavy gun infantry? A normal heavy infantry with a gun? As in sword and board and chainmail and then a musket on his back?
>>2524916Sorta like thunderers in total war. Dwarf gunners that are sorta good at melee, so they function as tarpit for other thunderers if need be or beat up expendable units.Also, defender determines the terrain.
>>2524922So slow-ass infantry thats jack of all trades and bogged down with extra weight and having to train double for both weapons? Honestly, doesnt seem too useful here. And what you are not taking into account here is the range. We can outrange the enemy. hence why them setting up on a hill just gives us a clear line of sight. With us being more mobile and outranging them we can force the terrain easily. And heavy infantry with extra bricks on their back is not mobile or fast. We specialize and use troops for their intended purpose. A volley of musketfire will kill and disorient ANY infantry or cavalry. They need not be heavily armored if the enemy will never reach us. If fighting a force numerically far superior, we fort up or back off and harass with missile cav. As in any war, mobility and advantages - like range and firepower - make for an easy time and being able to force the enemy into the positions we want is the key to victory.
>>2524924That is assuming there's a line of sight.What will you do with your light infantry in a forested region? At Swamps? At Hedgerows? At boggy terrain? At valleys?Expecting an open field is idiotic when enemy knows our preferred method of fighting. No armor = get rekt by gorillas on defensible terrain. Specially since rain fucks us hard.
>>2524924Also our musketfire didn't work that well on hill tribes despite volley guns going off. Muskets aren't an I-WIN button
>>2524937See, aside from the densest of forests - where we wont go in in a cluster with a bow attached - the enemy also has to contend with the terrain. And while we probably cant use cannons in a bog, the enemy heavy infantry now takes 15 volleys instead of 10. A shit deal. Aside from rain, which arguably can be overcome in most cases, there is nothing to lose from specializing.>>2524938That was literally the worst series of rolls in this quest and from a short range with our forces panicking. A mistake we wont make again.My basic point is this: a more mobile force with artillery and missile cav support can outmaneuver and control the enemy, thus giving us a decisive edge in battle. This is the direction modern military has been going for centuries and it has worked pretty well so far. Likewise, the big defeats of the Lannister armies against Rob were because he moved faster than them and in ways they did not expect, meaning he chose the time and place of battle. The exact thing I want us to do because we will never have more men but we DO have the advantage of first-strike firepower unrivaled in the world. Lets use it.If you have any problems with the core ideas, explain, otherwise accept that this is the best way for us to move forward. Once this is settled, we can argue about the hows.
>>2524944My point is this. We are the only ones with guns. Armor works for us, but not them.Cavalry centric army with guns will spook enemy horses meaning that they can engage larger forces with little threat of their cavalry or infantry and can run away in bad weather and hide in a castle or a fort built by engineers.
>>2524958So you would field only cav? Whats the point of armor then? Where would we get the horses needed to field a cav only army? Would they be trained in line fighting as well? What if a horse dies and how would the supply train look like?Basically, while Stronghold Crusader horse archers were literally god, they were expensive as fuck. Something we probably cant afford to do for the main army. We are having trouble outfitting 20 house guard with horses as it is (Discord).
>>2524961So this is why a more traditional force of line infantry with cav support and some artillery would be more our speed.
Question is what are we planning on fighting?Defense against raiders? Cavalry is best.Attacking castles? Heavily armored infantry is best.Field battles? Strength in numbers.
>>2524968YesTaking castles is plinking them from afar with muskets and cannons, then blunderbussing them at close range. Exactly how we did aganst the II.With cannons, muskets and missile cav we can equalize quite a lot, to the point where 100 muskets can take on many times their number with a bit of prep, especially if cannons and missile cav are available.You didnt anwser my questions so ill summarize: Cav is expensive and we cant field an army of them, much like the other lords. Muskets are able to decimate enemy charges, be it cav or infantry far before they reach us and to deadly effect.Mobile infantry with cav and artillery support will allow us to choose the time and place and give us an edge over numerically superior forces and the first few volleys will turn the battle to our advantage very quickly.Light missile cav will scout and harass, not allowing the enemy to rest or move easily, infantry then moving up to take the field.In case of greatly superior forces we can retreat while the missile cav harries the attackers and buys us time.Field fortifications will help with surprise attacks, since charging musket men behind walls is suicide.In conclusion, this setup will allow us maximum flexibility with minimal cost (no need for expensive armor) and allow us to punch far above our weight class.
>>2524972We don’t even have repeating rifles yet. We haven’t even made a cavalry carbine yet. And even with all this, our gunners will actually be outranged by crosbowmen and archers until we develop percussion caps and rifling. Your ideas are great but they assume we have the know how to make guns and ammo at least 200 years more advanced than what we can realistically make. Cannons are where our advantage lies, and even they aren’t exceptional in field battles at this point. Until we can efficiently rifle barrels, make cartridges with the powder, bullet, and percussion cap, we can’t rely on our muskets except to block enemy infantry and cavalry. I do agree mobile fortifications will be the most effective and cost effective option for us. Get wagon laagers, make mantlets and pavises for our men, set up strong points where our artillery can force the enemy to attack us. But absolutely do not rely on our muskets to defeat longbowmen or crossbows in the open field unless you just want to get our men killed. There are very real limitations with early firearms and accuracy at long ranges is a major one.
>>2525021So why did firearms replace longbows and crossbows in real life long before rifling and even longer before percussion caps were invented?A flintlock musket comparable to something fielded in the late 18th/early 19th century, which is the sort of thing we have, outranges crossbows, has a rate of fire that's not too dissimilar to crossbows, gets through armour better than crossbows, and is much easier to produce and carry ammunition for than crossbows. *Maybe* an English longbow could match it for range, and certainly exceed it in rate of fire, but afaik there is no culture of longbow archery among the peasantry of Westeros like there was in England, so the average longbowman will not be firing at anywhere near the higher ranges the weapon is capable of.If we were relying on matchlock arquebuses or handgonnes, I would agree that we might not necessarily want to go toe to toe with archers on an open field - although we would still be capable of it providing they did not outnumber us significantly. But we have significantly more advanced firearms than that, and we are more than capable of using both line infantry that can beat archers and ranged cavalry that can operate effectively (like it did in the English Civil War - cavalry with wheellock pistols and carbines were a big thing, and we have superior flintlocks).
>>2525021>>2525129Also I should mention that while we do not have rifles to equip our troops with, we do have our own rifle so we clearly have the knowledge and skill required to make rifled weapons.
I think the Hussite approach is our strongest tactic at this point, at least while on the march. We're at an excellent tech level to make Wagenburg a dominating strategy>We have cannons, they do not. We can force them to fight>We have guns, they do not. We can frighten their peasants and unhorse their noblesWe shuld not go full Napoleonic, bcause we probably can't make weapons reliable enough for that, plus no one else will fight in that style. Early gun line strategem requires an enemy politely standing far away in their own gun line. If they're able to close, we still need to fight in a medieval style.I like the idea of an elite "20 good men" unit. Roger's Rangers types who can blend in, survive, move, and fight naturally.
>>2525129We aren't capable of producing the guns neccisary. Specialized and standardized machinery requires its own start-up, even flintlocks at this point likely arent economically feasable to produce for all of our holding's forces.
I'm all for Wagenburging to be honest senpai
>>2525362What kind of forces do you think our holding actually has? We're not a major house fielding armies thousands strong, we probably have a few hundred fighting men in our lands at most. At this stage we do not need industrial machinery to make enough flintlocks to arm our men, we just need to spend a month or two personally training a handful of skilled smiths and then set them to work.
>>2525369Im still not convinced on the exacts. Better to have a larger amount of matchlocks and put them in battle wagons or behing a barricade and pike line.
As anons before me have stated, muskets are not an "I win" option. Need I remind you of inferior forces beating gunpowder? Maori, zulu, and native americans were able to wage an extended campaign against superior powers equipped with percussion caps or better. Heck, even napleonic wars show that charging a musket line can work out if your men are good enough. Take a look at the swedes and even the american civil war. Muskets and even early rifles are not the most accurate of things, they work in bulk to break morale yes, but not to stop a motivated massed charge. Pike tercios fell out of favor due to having to face muskets and cannons, we are not facing those. Pikes are perfectly suitable against conventional cavalry
>>2525501Maori, Zulu, and Native Americans were all defeated, and for every victory they had there's another story of huge armies of them being wiped out by vastly numerically inferior forces armed with firearms. Also something people often neglect is the fact that these tribes were themselves often armed with guns - they didn't have the drilling and training that soldiers of the colonial powers did, hence their eventual defeat, but they did have a huge home turf advantage because they were intimately familiar with their environment and terrain, hence their occasional victories. As for the Swedes, sure they closed to melee much quicker than other armies of the age, but half the basis of the Gå–På was that the Caroleans would do their musket volleys at far closer range than their opponents to get the maximum number of musket kills in the shortest amount of time - it was still very much a gun-focused tactic.Honestly I think with the likely small numbers we have we should be training our fighting men up as mounted infantry so they have the mobility advantage as well as the firepower advantage.>>2525444As noted by Stannis earlier in the quest, matchlocks are a hell of a lot slower and more complex to operate than flintlocks. Not to mention far less reliable. I'd rather we roll out flintlocks to all our forces and take a couple of months longer to do so than equip them with an inferior weapon which we'll likely have to replace at some point in the near future anyway.
>>2525589Also, the matchlock has to constantly burn and if it goes out you are fucked. And if any ember drops into your powder horn you are fucked. And if an ember drops into your pan you are fucked. Basically bad times all round. Versus the flint which, although also possible to misfire, fires better, doesnt need constant tending and wont blow you up unless you are stupid.And since we can really only field a few hundred troops going quality is essential. As to full cav, we lack the means to raise so many horses right now. Maybe later. However we will have some Elite House Guard Outriders. A 20-strong force of missile cav badasses.