After a bitter and determined defense outside of Bridgwater, one that left you, Duke William Seymour of Somerset, wounded in battle, the Royalist armies of Cornwall and Devon have been turned back. The Army of Somerset, under the command of Lord John Seymour, your younger brother, has dug in along a series of defended positions along the western frontier of your duchy as the Cornish withdraw to lick their wounds. The war for the throne of England has only just begun.
Important Links:>What's the deal with War of the Roses: 1932?https://pastebin.com/ectbmcZq>Europe Political Map 1932https://imgur.com/xuayKEe>Family Treehttps://i.imgur.com/iPZZuiZ.jpg>Archivehttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=War%20of%20the%20RosesI normally allow between ten and twenty minutes for voting depending on the importance of the issue and how divided the vote is. If the vote is tied up, I usually allow an extra five minutes for a tie breaker, and if no one votes, I may roll for the tie breaker.I always try to incorporate (and encourage!) write ins if they don't violate the spirit of voted decisions, though I may edit or tweak them to fit better.
Your wound was attended to by your personal physician and nurse, a young woman from Bath that you kept in your employ who was as skilled with her hands as she was with her mouth. When you weren't easing your pain with a soothing haze of morphine, you were doing it in her close company. Now, on the mend, but still quite unwell, you keep both your nurse and your morphine close at hand. You saw the nasty looks your wife Vivienne Deverley Seymour gave her when she though you weren't looking. Oh well, let Vivienne suspect, she certainly wouldn't ever catch you in a compromising act, your close aid and manservant Morris would see to that.After your own whirlwind victory over Wiltshire and the armies of Devon and Cornwall, you can afford to relax a moment. Your logistical systems, built up so carefully before the outbreak of war in England have been left thoroughly depleted by rapid, exhaustive maneuvers, marches, and counter marches. Lorries and horses have their limits, as does the human spirit. This was not to mention the strain on your bank account. You'd only stopped the Cornish advance with the timely intervention of some companies of Welsh mercenaries, brought across the bay at the last minute for your daring counter attack, a trick you were certain wouldn't work twice.Even as you award your brother Stanley with his own barony in the north for service rendered in keeping the currently neutral county of Dorset out of the war, you were tallying numbers in your head, when the morphine didn't make that too difficult anyway.So long as you had the Welsh in your employ, you were going to be losing money, though you did have a small fortune saved, a private fortune could be swallowed in a flash by a war. Granted, you had split the Wiltshire treasury with Duke Gloucester, but it too had been depleted by war, and wasn't as robust as your own, a measly 500 pounds makes up less than half the total expenses you've run up so far.(1/2)
The only hope you saw of readily replenishing your bankroll was to carve yourself a piece of Wiltshire whose relatively undamaged lands would provide much needed revenue for you. The other possibilities were less pleasant. But cutting up Wiltshire had its own particular problems. After all, you hadn't seized it quite singlehandedly, your Uncle Albert, the Duke of Gloucester had helped, and will want a piece of any spoils you take. You could also use this unclaimed land to help bribe the Earl of Dorset to your cause, though it would preclude you taking any territory for yourself. There was also the possibility of letting the leader of the Yorkist cause, your cousin, Duke Harold of York to decide their fate, this would certainly endear you to your erstwhile leader.Any land not explicitly claimed or taken will be turned over to appropriately loyal nobles who can be trusted to back the Yorkist cause, and a new Earl will even be appointed if need be.>Make a bid for all of Wiltshire>Split it with Gloucester>Offer some to Dorset as a bribe to join the Yorkist cause>Leave their fate to be decided by Duke Harold>Write in
>>2182217>>Leave their fate to be decided by Duke HaroldSeems appropriate.
>>2182217>>Split it with Gloucester
>>2182217>Split it with Gloucester
>Split it with Gloucester>Writing
It's a simple matter to draft the letter to Glouceseter proposing an equal division of the land in Wiltshire. For the time being, the lands ceded to Somerset are under your personal control, though you can always choose to gift out parcels of land to loyal followers, though doing so will cut into your income just slightly.Dividing Wiltshire will have the consequence of necessitating a small police force to supervise it and ensure they are properly supporting their new liege. A Sheriff of Wiltshire is appointed, currently a throw away temporary appointment to a common regimental officer who was overdue for retirement, but it can always be appointed to an important supporter later on.Now, it's time to decide the fate of the Welsh mercenaries under your employ. Though your fresh income from your Wiltshire territories help offset their costs, they can still potentially be cut to save money. With no long term contracts to speak of, they will be exempt from your service at the end of this month in a few short days provided you don't renew their contracts for another month. You can always simply dismiss them at the end of their contract and send them packing back to Wales which is now on the verge of being drawn into this civil war. Though a more friendly option may be to dismiss them with a small bonus. Such a prospect is more expensive, but extra cash in hand will keep them happy as mercenaries don't generally like being fired and will find other employment as soon as possible, including banditry, or service with your enemy.You could also dismiss part of their number, or keep them employed into December, though it would be a noteworthy blow to your funds which are already looking shaky enough. In just a few weeks, you've spent an eighth of your treasury reserve, though it was a quarter before you take into account the seized goods from Wiltshire.>Dismiss the Welsh with a bonus payment>Dismiss the Welsh>Dismiss half the Welsh>Keep the Welsh, we can afford the cost
>>2182284>Keep the Welsh, we can afford the costWe can use them for a final push to the South, so we can crush the Royalist Resistance there. Then we can dismiss them.
>>2182284>>Keep the Welsh, we can afford the cost
>>2182284>Dismiss the Welsh
>>2182284>>Dismiss the Welsh with a bonus paymentPerhaps refer them to another lord?
Keep the Welsh, we can afford the cost>>2182293>>2182294Dismiss the Welsh>>2182295Dismiss the Welsh with a bonus payment>>2182305I'll be going with >Keep the Welshfor reasons.>Writing
Ap Gwynedd's men had their uses and while they weren't the most coordinated fighters, they was spirited. They would be useful in your coming push into Devon and Cornwall to silence Royalist sentiment there. For now, you would retain them and renew their contract through December. That should be more than enough time to rest, rearm, and renew your attack.While your own successes have wowed many in England and even around the world, your cousin Harold hasn't been idle, winning a series of victories culminating in the Battle of Shotley Bridge which placed all the county of Durham under the banner of the White Rose. More sobering, in the South around Middlesex, Yorkists have been trounced by Royalist forces assembled under the banner of the king, securing the land around London itself.The conflict is spreading to Wales with the local lords there starting to choose sides. With the expansion of this war, foreign attention is being trained on England, notably in the form of mercenary companies from overseas advertising their services.It's becoming very clear at this stage, that this civil strife is turning into far more than a simple dynastic struggle. The entire nation is poised on the brink of being dragged in, militias and levies across the country are being assembled, fortifications dug, sides chosen.It's also terribly obvious to you that the weapons available simply won't be enough to fight a modern war. Levies with rifles and machineguns won't win the day alone, no matter how determined. A decade of fighting in France taught you that much.You've already placed an order for an armored command car from a manufactory in Germany to avoid a repeat of the incident in the Battle of St Mary and All Saints that nearly cost you your life, but you'll need to modernize your army if you're to be successful in this war. Armor and air power are needed. Armored cars for the cavalry, tanks for the infantry, and planes to extend your reach.(1/2)
To start with, your infantry need tanks to support advances into prepared enemy positions as your bloody attack on Salisbury showed. You have a few options to procure these armored behemoths. Firstly, there are surplus tanks available within your nation that served in the Ten Years War against France. They would be inexpensive to rearm and repair for service, but they are terribly slow and unreliable. In many cases, mechanical failure was more their enemy than hostile fire was.You also happen to know an construction equipment manufacturer in America who is looking to branch out into combat arms. While you were touring the nation you were shown designs for small 'tankettes', generally intended for scouting and light combat, they are cheap and fast, but will take some time to deliver, and aren't of much use in a head-on assault, more intended for recon and rapid maneuvers.Lastly, you can commission modern tanks to be constructed, tanks with central turrets and more powerful and reliable engines and armor. Your best bet would be to enlist the aid of the factories of Bristol and put an order to your specifications. Such quality weapons would be expensive, however, and crews would take time to train, though you've read various thesis papers that insist modern tanks will be the future of warfare.>Surplus old war tanks will have to do>Tankettes from America>Modern tanks from Bristol>Write in
>>2182373>Tankettes from America
>>2182373>>Surplus old war tanks will have to doI figure we should look more to airpower, and we can always upgun armored cars against proper tanks.
>>2182373>>Surplus old war tanks will have to do Having awesome tanks will mean shit if we haven´t got the parts to repair them. Let´s just use the museum pieces and hope they are enough for a quick breakthrough in the South.Also, it is the cheapest option, leaving more money laying around to pay for our troop´s wages. Cost-efectiveness wins the day
>>2182373>>Surplus old war tanks will have to do
>>2182373>Tankettes from AmericaA class above the rest, without taking too long or breaking the bank.
>>2182373>>Tankettes from AmericaAnd armoured cars
>Tankettes from America>>2182376>>2182416>>2182423>Surplus old war tanks will have to do>>2182377>>2182380>>2182394Hmmm.Holding 3 minutes for a tiebreaker.
>>2182444I would like a compromise. What about for now we stick to using old tanks as our frontline and we put forth an order for tankettes in America for recon?It may a little expensive, but it will cover more bases and help us achieve a quick victory in the south.What do you think, fellow anons?
Good to see you running again hope your holidays went well. Time to kill traitors to England Sir Oswald Mosley is my leader.
>>2182447For the record, I already voted for old war tanks. I am not a tiebreaker
>>2182447I can agree to this we work with the old tanks then phase them out it sounds effective.I already voted tankettes
>>2182447Too expensive, besides armored cars can do well enough what roll the tankette would have.I mean, of course further down the line there isn't anything saying we can't modernize our tanks.
>>2182447I am willing to compromise on a mix between old tanks and Tankettes if players approve.>>2182448Thanks! They were pretty great,and I normally don't like em.
>>2182454why not old tanks and armoured cars until we can get modern tanks. Or mixed divisions of tankettes and older tanks with mobile units.
>>2182447>>2182453I am going to go with a compromise vote.>Tankettes + Old War Surplus>>2182454It won't be terribly expensive, since you're not getting a massive order of Tankettes.>Writing
>>2182463I had assumed we would go over armored cars next, then aircraft.
>>2182464Can we perhaps phase in modern tanks to replace older ones as they break down or die?
>>2182465This is correct>>2182467This can be revisited later
>>2182467So you mean a hodge of all the options:1-Use old war tanks as our backbone2-Buy a small contingent of tankettes for armoured recon3-When old war tanks are starting to become scarce, start rolling in new models?
>>2182469Also QM, I was just pondering, can we sort of 2bribe" arms companies with post-war exclusivity contracts or the like so they don´t supply arms to our rivals? Or even better, to supply malfunctioning arms.
>>2182470Well yeah eventually the old tanks will run out no matter what we do and as we can't replace them we can slowly build up a modern force. That way we spread the cost out longer and can try to make more money to afford it.
>>2182476You're much too small a force to do that alone, and even if the entire Yorkist faction supported that goal, your victory is far from assured. Currently, backing the royalists is a "safe bet". You personally enjoy a lot of popularity among the American industrial elite, but the Yorkists are unpopular with many nations, including France and Scotland, for their stated aims of renewing the war in France.
For the time being, you see no reason to break the bank on modern tanks. Those museum pieces you can round up will be effective enough on similarly ill-equipped opponents. However, you would like to have a bit more flexibility on maneuvers and so submit an order for a few companies of Tankettes from America. It will be some weeks before they arrive, but when they do they will hopefully give you an edge in rough-terrain recon.But, for now, you'll bring your small fleet of tanks out of their warehouses and begin deploying them in a support role.As for your cavalry, they're terribly vulnerable to enemy fire. Horses and riders can't stop rifle bullets, at least not in a useful way, and their vulnerability negates the advantage they have of maneuver. Armored cars have been used to great effect in Germany and Ireland recently, especially for scouting and patrolling. They could be an answer to your problems, if this war is further mechanized, your cavalry may find itself hopelessly outdated.In the conflict in Ireland especially, ad hoc/homemade armored cars have been deployed as a somewhat effective cost-saving measure. Taking an existing automobile and bolting on armor plating and machine guns can turn a normal lorry into a gun truck. Such makeshift weaponizations are hard on the engines and suspensions of these vehicles and they are frequently outclassed by purpose-built vehicles, but they can be made quickly and cheaply.Armored cars can also be commissioned to be constructed in Bristol. They'd be more effective than ad hoc armored cars, but also more expensive to build. Really, this is a safe middle road.Of course, you've also read that cavalry is as outdated on the battlefield as the bayonet charge. There are some theorists who advocate replacing traditional cavalry with tanks. The aforementioned Tankettes from America would do nicely to up-armor your cavalry and turn them from mounted infantry into something more akin to a tank brigade. Granted, tankettes cost more than armored cars do. Perhaps given enough time, you may even fully motorize and armor your cavalry and create something like the proposed 'panzer' divisions you've heard about in German military literature. Such a beast would, on paper, be incredibly powerful on the battlefield, but could also prove enormously expensive to maintain.In either case, you don't have the capability to do that at the moment, but arming them with tankettes would be a first step.>Ad hoc, homemade armored cars>Armored cars from Bristol>Tankettes from America>We will leave the cavalry as is
>>2182483>>Armored cars from Bristol
>>2182483>>Tankettes from America
>>2182483>>Armored cars from BristolArmored cars are cool
>>2182483>Tankettes from AmericaIf we have tankettes as the other guy said it might be a waste of money to buy the cars if tankettes do the same job.Keep the cavalry but use them as dragoons to support the tankettes until we have more trucks for the role.
>>2182483>armoured cars from Bristol.If we plan to slowly upgrade our tanks over time, we need the extra speed the cars provide over the tankettes.
Either way intergrate the cav a recon and inf support for the mobile units it saves on trucks and cav can take rougher terrain.
Armored cars from Bristol>>2182486>>2182489>>2182498Tankettes>>2182488>>2182494>writing
No, you've spent enough on Tankette recon for your whole army, you'll settle for purchasing purpose-built armored cars from Bristol. You also take it upon yourself to buy a fresh run of lorries to ferry troops and supplies around.With your armor forces decided, you take a look at your air forces.The air war during your time in France was a primitive affair, wood and canvas biplanes fitted haphazardly with machine guns and rudimentary bombs buzzing over the countryside. Now, aeronautical science has led to many improvements including metal skin and superior forward-facing guns.You have limited facilities to support aircraft, but the airfields you do have can be put to use in your war. Old, wood and planes can be secured cheaply, though they would be better for little more than scouting and recon missions, possibly chasing off similarly outdated planes.Sadly, Bristol lacks airplane manufacturing facilities, but you've been presented with an offer from the government across the Channel in Brittany to supply you with a few squadrons of interwar planes. They still retain the familiar biplane design, but feature metal-skins and more reliable guns. A few of these could even be equipped with some rudimentary bombs to drop on enemy targets of opportunity.There is also the possibility to commissioning fully modern fighter planes, at no small expense. Metal-skinned, mono-wing style designs with forward-firing machine guns as well as enclosed cockpits. They'd be expensive, but also superior to just about anything else in the air, some designs can also bear wing and belly-mounted bombs to drop on ground targets.No matter which option you choose, you'll also have to invest an bit of your funds into the construction and upkeep of airbases, as well as training programs for your prospective pilots.>War Surplus biplanes>Interwar planes from Brittany>Modern planes from America>An air force is an expense we can't afford right now
>>2182545>>War Surplus biplanesbut I’ll support>An air force is an expense we can't afford right nowif a tiebreaker is needed. We’re already blowing a huge portion of our budget on getting new armaments for our army, no point in wasting money on something that hasn’t really become all that useful yet.
>>2182545>War surplus biplanesWe've spent quite alot, and are short on cash. Since we aren't getting all of Wiltshire, we can't afford to buy the expensive planes. I'd prefer to capture planes from the enemy, so investing more in recon/commando ops.
>>2182545>>Modern planes from America
>>2182545>Interwar planes from BrittanyPerhaps replace them over time with modern planes but having capable air cover is vital to protecting advances and our own territory.
By the way, you’ve mentioned that the French and Scottish might potentially support the Royalists due to Yorkist desires for reconquest of continental lands; how do the Burgundians fit into this equation? Would they be willing to support the Yorkists?
>>2182562I bet places like Savoy and Burgundy will want a Yorkist win maybe even the Austrians.
Also, the most valuable thing we can have are Pilots. It doesn't matter what planes they are in. Getting some sort of airforce in biplanes is more important than having raw pilots going out in expensive new planes. Its brutal, but the survivors who survive biplanes will do far better and cost us less than starting with newer planes.
>>2182579That is true, but the airforce shouldn’t be much of priority. Planes are still primarily just useful for their scouting capabilities. It wasn’t really until the Spanish Civil War that technology was to the point that they could be used for more than that. And even then, their full use wasn’t realized until World War II.
>>2182579So start them in the interwar planes then slowly replace those with modern planes.We need some form of aircover
>>2182590We can't afford it. And Biplanes are fine, they compare halfway decently to interwar.
>>2182562>>2182576>BurgundiansYes, they are more supportive of the Yorkists, same goes for Brittany, or really anyone with a grudge against France. But their support is limited because they are in no condition to fight a war.War Surplus biplanes>>2182554>>2182558Modern planes from America>>2182559Interwar planes from Brittany>>2182561>War Surplus biplanes>Writing
>>2182585Agreed, which is why Im going for biplanes so we have the best scouting. Biplanes perform as well as any plane against uncovered troops, (better in some cases), and we simply avoid dogfights.
An air force is a must, but the funds simply aren't there for anything more advanced than old war surplus biplanes. Besides, they should perform adequately for scouting and will do well against others like them, even while giving your pilots much needed experience.Like your old tanks, you have a few squadrons dredged up from storage and prepared to fly again, pilot school starting up in the Somerset countryside.From your bedroom window, you watch the forces outside of Bridgwater drilling, assembling, and training with their new weapons, the bass rumble of diesel engines echoes across the countryside, inter-cut with the high buzzing of planes performing acrobatic maneuvers high overhead.As you watch, you puff idly on a pipe and consider the future. Of course you have your attack on Cornwall and Devon to plan, but you also have more personal matters, the annual Christmas dinner you hold with your immediate family is approaching, provided nothing untoward interrupts that.As you consider the dinner, you think about your non-military spending. Your youngest sister Kate currently lives in America where she's married and attending school. She was always something of a maverick in the family, but much more agreeable than your sister Violet. Still, both Kate and Violet subsist largely on your bankroll. Of course, Kate's husband, an American, helps provide, but he alone can't ensure that a Seymour and close relative of the King lives the lifestyle meant for them. Violet has no man to provide for her and no job to speak of, and is wholly dependent on your money to live her life. Stanley and John, both Lords of Somerset, earn their living from rent and tax paid to them by their tenants. Still, while not horribly expensive, Kate and Violet are costing you money, money that might be better invested into the war effort. Though it should be noted that while cutting them off would be a practical move to save money, it would also be a serious blow to your family's prestige (Can you image? A Seymour working for money?) and would likely result in some animosity within the family, not only from the scored sisters and their families, but from your family members who won't approve of your cold, money-saving measure.>Cut off Kate and Violet, they will have to earn their money>Reduce their stipend, we can't spare it>It's not worth the hassle, leave them their allowances.>Write in
>>2182630>>It's not worth the hassle, leave them their allowances.
>>2182630>Reduce their stipend, we can't spare itFind violet a husband that can support her.
>>2182630>Reduce their stipend, we can’t spare itMake it a point to not only our sisters but all of our relatives and vassals that we need to dedicate ourselves entirely to the war effort, even if it means sacrificing some of the comforts we enjoy in peacetime. Every little bit saved counts, and if every vassal cuts down on wasteless spending, then a potentially huge difference can be made that will turn the tide on the battlefield. Our very livelihoods (and potentially lives) are at stake, so we can’t risk them just so we remain comfortable. This should also have the consequence of endearing us to our subjects when we show that we sacrifice just as much as they do in the war.
>>2182630>Reduce their stipend, we can't spare it+1 to this, begin looking for uncertain lords who could be won over by marriage, while also being agreeable to Violets more eccentric ways. Maybe even look to Burgundy, to win allies there, both for the civil war (men looking to be blooded) and for potential campaigns in France.
>>2182639>>2182648Thats +1 to this idea for Violet. She is getting to the point where a good marriage is fading away.
>>2182650Brittany or Burgundy would be ideal but an English lord is acceptable. So long as he is good to her and we can stop paying for her. As for the other sister we need to wean her off her husband should be supporting her more than her brother she made the choice to marry and go to the usa.
It's been stated we won't get foreign support from a marriage unless we're king.
>>2182672Not necessarily support, but better deals, purchasing equipment etc. Maybe even loans if necessary.
>>2182672More about foreign contacts or possible mercs. As well as getting us options and connections when we attack france.
>Reduce their stipend, we can't spare it+>Marry Violet Off>writing
Comfort must be sacrificed in any case where it can be spared. After your personal nurse administers you a dose of morphine for the ache in your leg, you dictate a memo to Morris regarding the cutting of wasteful spending from your budget as well as that of your vassals. A radio address is also drafted to spin this as an austerity move to reduce the tax burden on your subjects. Spun properly, this could even be made an asset. If your preliminary calculations are correct, this should actually cancel out much of the initial costs of your modernization in the long run.Kate can afford to be more supported by her husband and Violet . . . Well, Violet was getting any younger or more desirable. You suppose now is as good a time as any to marry her off.As the family patriarch, it's your responsibility to ensure she finds a suitable partner. You allowed Kate to marry for love, at the time it seemed as good a relation as any. Her husband was no mere common man, but a semi-successful American entrepreneur, though not quite up to the caliber of the industrialist elite of that nation, but he had no pedigree.With Violet, you have to be a bit more careful. You'd weighed marrying her to the Earl of Dorset's eldest son, a move that would certainly tie the County of Dorset to your will, and the Yorkist cause. This was a safe, and fairly obvious move, but you have other possibilities.You know of an eligible bachelor in Brittany, a cousin of the king there, a man with some military clout, he may be willing to contribute a regiment of forces to your struggle, foreigners, but soldiers all the same.There is also another potential suitor in Burgundy, a Burgundian count and the nephew of the King of Burgundy. Not quite a soldier, but he does have close ties with the industrial heartland of Burgundy and might potentially be a line of future equipment purchases from that nation.>Earl Dorset's eldest Son>Cousin of the King of Brittany>Burgundian Count
>>2182724>Burgundian CountHe's rich enough to keep her in style (Industrial connections) and Burgundy is far less vulnerable to political shifts then isolated Brittany. Last thing we want is France trying to conquer Brittany in the middle of the civil war, and Violet ending up imprisoned to be ransomed
>>2182724>Earl Dorset's eldest SonNeed to secure Dorset loyalty
>>2182724>Burgundian CountThe wealth connections and possible contracts will help.
>>2182724>>Earl Dorset's eldest Son
Burgundian Count>>2182733>>2182752>>2182760>>2182789Earl Dorset's eldest Son>>2182742>>2182761>Burgundian Count>writing
The Burgundian Count will make a suitable husband. Solid connections in Burgundy will pay off more in the long run than in the fickle Brittany, beside which, Violet will likely be happier 'in money'. For as abrasive as your sister can be, you still care about her.You draft and dispatch a telegram informing Violet and of your plans, as well as the count. With luck, the marriage can be finalized by January.Now, with civil matters aside, it's time to look at your war footing. The Royalist Cornish army withdrew across the Devonshire border after being beaten back at Bridgwater, now their current disposition is unknown, though they are likely itching for a rematch. Any attack into Devon will naturally center on the M5, a major road linking Taunton with Exeter, Cornish defenses are likely to center on it in the Tiverton/Cullompton area. It will be necessary to break them there to secure a line of transit, though from there the question is if your attack force should divert north, toward the port city of Barnstaple (Plan A), or south, toward Exeter, a major city (Plan B). Both will possibly have to be reduced by siege warfare, something you're well familiar with, though given the layout of major roads in Devon, neither can be easily bypassed. The only major east-west roads run through both of these places, and cross country movement of your supply lines would leave them vulnerable and stretched thin. >Plan A, north to Barnstaple>Plan B, south to Exeter>write in
>>2182839>Plan B. Exeter is far more developed and important than Barnstaple. It also secures one of the larger ports on the southern coast outside of Hampshire.
>>2182839>>Plan B, south to Exeter
>>2182839>Plan B, south to Exeter
>>Plan B, south to ExeterHope for a quick, rather clean war, war is expensive...
>Option to get tanks>Didn't go for TOGs
>Plan B, south to Exeter>writing
Exeter would be the prize. There still remained a lot of planning to do in order to get this offensive underway, but there's no sense worrying about it now. Not with the pain in your leg flaring up again. Hobbling back to your bed, you lay down and try to rest, dreaming of the battle to come.***I'm gonna cut here for time, next session we'll organize the army a bit, make a more detailed plan of attack, and execute. As always, thanks for playing guys! I'm looking forward to next session which will probably be next Thursday at 7 EST (11 UTC).Be sure to follow on twitter if you haven't already.https://twitter.com/TimeKillerQMAs usual, I'm open for any questions/comments/suggestions/complaintsThanks!
>>2182969Thanks for running, so is Europe border wise much like the war of the roses? And as for Tanks how popular are they in Britain?To be honest it feels like we are backing ultranationalists in this are you goin to cover possible invasions of France?
Also ban Danon.
>>2182912>Option to get air force>No option to include zeppelins>>2182969Thanks for running TK, I'm sorry I couldn't join in this time but I'm looking forward to seeing the upcoming campaign!
>>2182975>Europe border wise much like the war of the roses?Somewhat, major players are the same. There's a small map linked in the OP and some description of the world somewhere in thread one. Phone posting or I'd be more specific. I can also answer specific political questions!>UltranationalistsIn a way, that's not inaccurate. A Yorkist would say the Lancastrians/Mays/Royalists are willing to sacrifice national progress and prestige for personal gain.A Lancastrian would say the Yorkists are violent revaunchist/war monger rebels.>France InvasionPotentially, but I envision taking the throne as an end point. That's not to say the story won't continue though if it's popular/I'm not burnt out.>>2183054>Thanks for running TK, I'm sorry I couldn't join in this timeNo sweat! Glad to have a dedicated reader/player!>ZeppelinsNot logistically feasible for a small Duchy, ask me again when you are more powerful
>>2182969Thanks for the run mate, sadly missed it live on account of being out of town.
>>2183189Well think about it we rise to power in say 1934 and suddenly in 1942 march into France after demanding the return of calais....
>>2183458My pleasure! Thanks for swinging by!>>2183542>Rise to power in 1934Are you implying that Duke Harold won't become king?>March on FranceNo complaints here!
>>2183856It is a long dangerous war things can happen especially in the heat of battle... would be a real shame if he had an accident.Danzig... i mean Calais is rightful English land.
>>2183856>>2184337How about two more years to that timeline, amphibious invasions are a bitch...
>>2184337>CalaisActually still English. What you want is Normandie and Gascony
>>2188565France is rightful English Clay!
The roar of an old diesel engine draws you, hobbling, to your bedroom window where you gaze down at two iron behemoths maneuvering across what had once been a manicured lawn. Both have their tops painted with the white, Yorkist Rose for easy aerial identification. On their flanks the Red Dragon of Somerset, your heraldic icon, is emblazoned. Both of these tanks of crude forward-facing, hull-mounted guns as well as machine-gun ports on either side. You'd worked very little with tanks during your time in France, but knew of their reputation, both as avatars of fear on the battlefield, and ad horrible mechanical deathtraps. The truth was somewhere in the middle.You let the curtain fall closed and limp your way carefully to your desk before slowly easing yourself into the seat. A glance at your watch tells you it's too soon for more morphine for your aching leg, not that that had stopped you in the past. But this time, you needed to remain lucid, now was not the time to lose yourself.On your desk is a substantial volume of after action reports, both from your swift and bold maneuver into Wiltshire, but also the desperate and aggressive action to defend Somerset and your home in Bridgwater. It was all a part of your ongoing effort to evaluate the performance of your commanders. Your brother John, who had little practical military experience, led the effort that cut off and reduced Salisbury, and the entire Army of Wiltshire. However, John had mostly deferred to your judgement, even in cases where speed would have been of the essence. Of course, this also meant John was exceptional obedient to your commands, either out of loyalty or fear of failure. But this would also mean John does not adapt to the unexpected or the unforeseen well.Another leading candidate to serve as the overall commander of the Army of Somerset is Lord Park, currently serving as a brigadier of the army, he has decidedly more experience than John, and consequently has a stronger grasp of military tactics, and a firmer opinion of his own. He's less likely to ask for your input on a decision, but also more likely to take advantage of an opportunity before it slips away.You could also take direct control of the army yourself, bum leg or not. You would have to appoint a regent, and given your sometimes foggy mental state from your morphine usage, it might not be the best for rapid decision making.For the attack into Devon, who should lead your army?>John can retain command>Lord Park will lead>I will lead>Write in
>>2200387> John can retain commandFor the moment, he's done well.
John has done well enough. Initiative or not, he's loyal and dependable. Besides which, this attack on Devonshire shouldn't be terribly taxing in terms of command decisions. Exeter remains now as the prize of Devon. It's strategically located, not only as a control area of the major road and railways, but also as a coastal port that could provide you with much needed access to the English channel. This is not to mention its important industrial facilities and population centers.Any conquest of Devonshire would require reducing Exeter.Fortunately, much like Bridgwater, Exeter has no pre-existing defenses like might be found in a hotly contested region like Normandie. Unfortunately, unlike Salisbury, Exeter has had time to prepare meaning you likely face determined and well entrenched defenders, both around the city, and across the Devonshire countryside.To the north, both Yorkist and Royalist forces have loose scatterings of militias and pickets, just enough to provide advance warning of any attack, but it seems both armies are concentrated near Tiverton-Cullompton, sitting just astride the M5 and contesting any advance on Exeter. If the city were to be taken, not only would the aforementioned facilities and population be yours, but you would have a perfect "jumping off" point with which to contest the rest of the county. It would require breaking their line though. If you had a heavier naval contingent, a landing might be possible, but with few ships to speak of, you stand little chance of being successful in that endeavor.Instead, aeroplanes scour the countryside, mapping enemy positions while your cavalry probes their line, looking for weakness. So far, it seems the Cornish army there is content to let you make the first move, apparently confident in their defensive position.
John eh? Hopefully this will give him some good experience as a general
After having reviewed plans with your generals, it seems there are a few favorites proposed.The first is also the most straightforward: A direct attack from Taunton, breaking through the Royalist lines at Cullompton and following up with an attack straight at Exeter intended to seize the city quickly. Your heaviest forces, that is, those best equipped with tanks, will lead the attack, and once through the enemy, the Yeoman Cavalry regiment will exploit it, pressing on and securing the flanks to allow the infantry to march on Exeter.This plan has the benefit of being the simplest and, with enough speed, the quickest to victory. If the Royalists defense is more tenacious than expected, then they may end up either stalling your attack, or drawing your men into bloody urban combat in Exeter.The second plan is a bit more in line with conventional wisdom. It operates under the assumption that attacking Exeter head-on is too dangerous and instead seeks to surround and isolate the city. After the anticipated breakthrough at Cullompton, there will be follow up attacks on Tiverton and Crediton, working around the outskirts of Exeter with the intent of then cutting south to isolate the city. The advantage to this plan is it avoids the potential battle of attrition for attacking the city head on. However, it also requires much more ground to be covered, your forces may find themselves overextended, especially in the final push south toward Newton Abbot. There is some question centering on if you have enough men to physically isolate the city in such a way, not to mention that resupply via water is a possibility you have little control over.There's also the unorthodox plan of simply ignoring Exeter itself and using Tiverton and Crediton to drive for the enemies rear areas. It completely avoids the problems inherent in taking and holding Exeter, at the cost of leaving a major enemy stronghold in your rear. Bypassing it will really only work if you can keep the enemy from cutting you off from Somerset.Of course, you may have a better idea, or combination of ideas, these are just the possibilities put forward by your commanders.>Direct attack on Exeter>Attempt to surround and besiege Exeter>Ignore Exeter completely and drive west>Write in PlanYou can also write in questions/in-character questions and I will answer them as fast as possible.
>>2200526Has the enemy started hiring tanks and cars and such yet?
>>2200526Do we know much at all about what generals/military leaders we are up against in this campaign?
>>2200526>>Direct attack on Exeter>>2200577Safe to assume
>>2200526Also, has our aerial reconnaissance managed to pinpoint where exactly Exeter's industrial facilities are?
>>2200577It's been confirmed. Armored vehicles have been sighted during aerial recon, but no hard details on number or type.At minimum, expect war surplus and ad-hoc designs.>>2200588The only one of any note would probably be Henry Seymour Your cousin and the younger brother of Duke Harold, one of the few Seymours to side with the Mays/Lancasters.Henry is the Duke of Cornwall. He's not any sort of military genius or anything of that caliber, but he's competent and brave. Their sub-commanders are likely local nobles on par with your own.>>2200604>Industrial facilitiesThis is open knowledge from before the war. They're located conveniently in an industrial part of town, nothing super-duper war critical, but generally useful, a lot of port and warehouse facilities for example.
>>2200526Could we bait out an enemy response? have our lighter forces draw them out then try to spear through their heart with our heavy forces and judicious mortar strikes?
>>2200607Interesting. Then my vote goes to>>2200526>Direct attack on ExeterIf we end up getting drawn out into a long urban battle in Exeter, then I suggest targeting their warehouses and their port for destruction if at all possible. That way I think we'd have less to worry about in the future even if we did fail to take Devonshire. Would something like this be feasible?
>>2200621Definitely a possibility. Just need votes to make it happen.>Attempt a feint and draw them out
>>2200634>Would something like this be feasible?Scorched earth in an emergency? Certainly! There's no rules in war
>>2200526>Write in PlanConcentrate our army into three forces, two mobile and one more static. Focus one mobile force on smashing through the defenders full force North of Tiverton where their defences are thinner, and the other on outflanking cullompton through Honiton, while leaving the static force on the M5 to keep them from repositioning as the pincers encircle their first line of defence. Once the double envelopment is complete, crush the Tiverton-Cullompton defensive line in our newly formed vice. Surrounded, cut off and confused, they should surrender in short order and we can move to Exeter at leisure to encircle it.
>Direct attack on Exeter>>2200600>>2200634>Write in Pincer Plan>>2200669Because of low vote count, I'm going to incorporate these two. The write in and the direct attack unless there are any strong objections.>Writing
A direct action against Exeter seems to be the most expedient plan. Besides which, should urban fighting prove too much, a concerted effort could be made to render the city strategically useless which would also serve your purposes.Before Exeter can be attacked, however, there is a concentrated of Royalist forces between Tiverton and Cullompton that have to be dealt with. You brief your brother on the plan you've crafted. A three-part attack. To the north, a mobile force, led by Lord Park and spearheaded by the Yeomen cavalry will lead an attack through the sparsely defended northern sector of the county. The second section will be a holding force under the command of Lord Osbourne, merely intended to keep the Cornish from repositioning. The third section, under your brother John, will swing south through Honiton. Then, both forces will converge on the remaining Royalist defenders in Tiverton-Cullumpton.Order of Battle:>Right Wing: Lord John Seymour1st Somerset Yeoman Cavalry. Colonel: Sir AbernathySomerset Retinue. Colonel: Sir DelamareAp Gwynedd's Welsh RegimentLlewellyn's Welsh Regiment>Center: Lord Osbourne3rd Somerset Regiment. Colonel: Sir Walker4th Somerset Regiment. Colonel: Sir Donaldson5th Somerset Regiment. Colonel: Sir Farrow6th Somerset Regiment. Colonel: Sir Lovelace>Left Wing : Lord Park1st Somerset Regiment. Colonel: Sir Phelan2nd Somerset Regiment. Colonel: Sir Murray1st Normandie Regiment. Colonel: Sir de Vymont2nd Normandie Regiment. Colonel: Sir TherouldeWhile your army is tired after the lighting campaign against Wiltshire, they have had some time to recuperate and gather their strength. Currently, nearly all logistical mobility still comes from horses and mules, many imported from America. Each brigade has at least a company or two of motorized elements though, an addition you'd saw to specially. You recognize the strong benefits of a fully motorized army in terms of speed and mobility, but the cost of such a decision is nearly impossible to swallow financially.While overwhelmingly armed with bolt-action, magazine-fed rifles, there are also heavy machine gun teams, and an increasing number of light machine guns among your infantry squads, a mix of domestic and foreign models. There is also the peculiar mix of weapons your small cadre of American volunteers have with them. Shotguns, sometimes called "trench guns", and a heavy preponderance of submachine guns, automatic a weapons that fire pistol-caliber cartridges. Though given their small numbers and limited battlefield impact, they are little more than a curiosity on the field.Though you've recently made large investments into things like tanks and planes, it may be possible to make further strides in modernizing your army.>Invest in motorization>Invest in close-range weapons like shotguns and sub machine guns>Invest in light machine guns>Our army is sufficient as-is
>>2200731>>Invest in light machine guns
>>2200657Scorched Earth is Best Earth
>>2200731>>Invest in motorizationGuns win battles, trucks win wars.
>>2200731>Invest in close-range weapons like shotguns and sub machine gunsI love me some Trench guns
>>2200731>>Invest in motorization
>Invest in motorization>>2200743>>2200775>Invest in close-range weapons>>2200768>Invest in light machine guns>>2200737>Writing
You've heard it said that "Guns win battles and trucks win wars." A few more orders of lorries and motor cars will be put in with the factories of Bristol. It would be too late to come into play in this action, but it would certainly help in the future.It's early December, your attack is slated to begin in one week's time. Regiments are assembling and going over final preparations. For the time being, there will be nothing to do but wait until the attack is launched. You may choose to pass that time by interacting and building a stronger with some of the other Yorkists. You never know when a personal detail or favor could potentially come in handy, or turn a potential enemy into a close ally.On the other hand, such frivolous activities could just be distractions from the hardship of war. Who should you interact with? Keep in mind, the more people you see, the less time you'll have with each and the lesser impact you'll have on them>Duke Harold, head of the Yorkist faction>Lord Edgar Park, your general>Lord John Seymour, your brother and top general>Vivienne DeVerely, your wife>Morris, your bodyguard and servant>Write in>This is a waste of time, we'll spend this week studying timetables and maps.
>>2200831>>Vivienne DeVerely, your wife>Duke Harold, head of the Yorkist faction
>>2200831>>Duke Harold, head of the Yorkist faction>>Lord Edgar Park, your general
>>2200831>Vivienne DeVerely, your wife>Morris, your bodyguard and servant
>Duke Harold>>2200838>>2200843>Vivienne DeVerely>>2200847>>2200838>Lord Edgar Park>>2200843>Morris>>2200847For simplicity sake, I'll take the top two.>Duke Harold>Vivienne DeVerely>Writing
>>2200873Palpatine doesn't need 'friends' or 'sex' to keep him entertained. Bring back Dark Empire! Boo history stuff!
>>2200831>>Duke Harold, head of the Yorkist faction>>Lord John Seymour, your brother and top generalBy the way OP>DeVerelyFrench noble names are written separately>de VerelyMeans "from Verely"
>>2200879Thanks! I just checked, that was the way I did it in session one. At some point I forgot and stopped
The splendor of the ball at Hyland's estate seems so long ago, replaced by the misery and austerity of war. Creature comforts supplanted by spartan necessary. Still, you felt it was important to maintain a measure of nobility. To that end, you took some minutes from your day to craft a hand-written letter to your cousin Harold. You hadn't seen him in person since the ball, but you had seen his likeness. Wartime posters, sprung up fairly recently though no one had claimed responsibility. They featured Harold, resplendent in his military uniform, gazing majestically forward and framed by a White rose of York. One hand thrown out, fingers splayed, ordering forward some unseen legion.Harold for good. Harold for England.A not-so-transparent petition to replace the ineffectual and ill-liked Charles May on the throne of England with his cousin Harold.In your letter, you tell Harold that you're recovering from your wound well, your wife is doing well as well. The war progresses nicely, though you're worried it will interfere with your family's plans for Christmas dinner. You ask about his wife, and his children. The letter is sent on with a ship of goods intended for the North since rail travel across England has become unreliable. Harold's response is not long in coming.(1/2)
Cousin Will,So good to hear from you. I quite agree that this war business is something of a nuisance. I had hoped for a quick settlement on the field of battle, but it seems you and my other commanders agree that we must first secure ourselves. However, I am still hopeful that-perhaps come spring- we can take this fight to the doorstep of the man who spawned it. The so-called King.Lovely to hear that Vivienne is doing well, I know you two had been separated for some time during your trip to America and I know the effect such absences can have on marriages. Still, she is a good woman and a good wife. I congratulated you when you two were married, but I must congratulate you again. Perhaps when this war is over, we can take our fight to France next and ensure the two of you can again enjoy Norman soil.Little Harold is becoming quite the soldier. I have made sure to have him present in all of my war meetings. You'd think he had been in France with the rest of us! He's still too young to see the front, but I intend he should have a rifle in his hands when he turns fifteen, God-willing. Maybe someday soon you and Vivienne will have a little one of your own running around.As for Elanor, the drama continues. It's not yet widely known, though it's probably no secret to you that my daughter, not even eighteen and unwed, has a bastard son with a son of a nameless vassal of mine. It's the shame of the family and the reason she wasn't at Hyland's party. I've of course ordered them married before more harm can be done, but word will inevitably leak out. I wouldn't worry too much about Christmas, the Lord provides and will no doubt ensure that you and your family have the time together you deserve.I'm sure you've also by now seen the clamoring for me to claim the crown of England as my own. I had once believed that Charles could lead, if given proper guidance, but now I think the poor man has had his mind so addled by his mother's shrewish attention that we'll need a new man altogether. Not to mention the possibility that the Mays murdered the King and changed the succession he intended!May the letter find you well.Duke Harold SeymourGod be with you.>Advise Harold to claim the crown, he should be king>Advise Harold to refuse the crown, Charles is the rightful king>Ask that Harold visit for Christmas>Write inThis is a really broad topic, so anything you want to throw into your reply letter, feel free to write it in.
>>2200950>Advise Harold to claim the crown, he should be kingCharles should have thought of this before being his mother's son.
>>2200950>>Ask that Harold visit for Christmas
You write back to Harold, encouraging to take that title for himself. England needs a King like him, you say. Only a strong leader and unify the nation and reclaim the lands lost to France and maybe put Scotland in its place. You also invite Harold to Christmas dinner with your family in a move you hope will secure you favor with the Duke, or at least, give you closer access to him. You knew all too well the sorts of scheming and intrigue that could take place at functions like that.You entrust the letter to Morris and, once done, set off to find your wife. It doesn't take long to locate her in the lower library, sitting on one of the eagle-backed couches of the neo-classical style that dominate the center of the room. Her legs are tucked under her and she's deeply absorbed in a book. Nearby, a phonograph is spinning a record, smooth, sultry jazz is playing.She doesn't look up as you enter.You get close enough to read the title. Fury from the Shadows. It's a paperback crime novel from America, one of those popular hardboiled detective types. The cover shows the titular 'girl' being pursued by a gang of Tommy-gun wielding thugs, only a square-jawed hero with a steely gaze and trusty pistol can stop them. You smirk at this example of pulp trash and click open your cigarette case.Vivienne looks up with a start."Oh! Will, it's you. You frightened me.""Never my intention, cherie," you reply, putting a cigarette in your mouth and offering one to Vivienne which she takes with a nod of thanks, "How's your book?""It is quite interesting. This girl is being pursued by ex-mercenaries in America. I think she is romantically involved with their leader. très fascinant!"You chuckle."What is funny?""You don't seem the type to enjoy-" you gesture to the cover, "Damsels in distress and criminals and the like. I just find it interesting."She gives a polite smile, "A civilized woman can enjoy uncivilized things, Non? You like the theater, but also have a passion for war. Yes?"You nod agreement, sitting beside her. "Yes, this is true. War is hardly civilized, but a necessity."She sniffs, looking a bit annoyed, "You have other hobbies too I think. Perhaps ones you do not share with me."You stiffen a bit, realizing she's perhaps talking about your frequent infidelity. She turns away, closing her book after marking her place, then lays it down. "Maybe what you do with your time is no business of mine. But I do not like your nurse. I think that you spend too much time with her.">It's nothing like that. (Continue your affair)>I'll get a different nurse then, if you insist. (Break off affair)>Perhaps I haven't shown as much discretion as I should. (Rethink your affairs)>Write in
>>2201106>I'll get a different nurse then, if you insist. (Break off affair)This affair just isn't right, not like attempting to get involved with a fifteen year old girl.
>>2201106>>I'll get a different nurse then, if you insist. (Break off affair)
>>2201106>I'll get a different nurse then, if you insist. (Break off affair)>Write-inShare some of the contents of Duke Harold's letter, such as...>Perhaps when this war is over, we can take our fight to France next and ensure the two of you can again enjoy Norman soil.And>Maybe someday soon you and Vivienne will have a little one of your own running around.
>I'll get a different nurse then, if you insist. (Break off affair)+>Write in>Writing
Just curious, but how many affairs do you think we've had over the years?How many bastard kids do we got running around?
>>2201191Too manyI'd say over a dozen affairs of varying intensity since you married Vivienne.
You hold up a placating hand, "No need to worry, mon cher. If she bothers you-" you snap your fingers, "She's gone. I can get a new nurse, that's not a problem."Vivienne looks only slightly more at ease.You produce a lighter and extend your arm toward her. She leans forward and you light her cigarette, then your own. "You know," you continue, "I just responded to a letter from Harold.""Duke York?""Oui. He reminded me of our honey moon. Do you remember?"Her slight scowl turns to a smile. "Oui. La Seine." she takes a long drag on the cigarette before taking it from her lips and exhaling. "We were so close to the river.""Do you remember how cold it was?" you ask, "A vacation on the Seine in the winter is hardly a vacation."She nods, "And we could hear the guns. The French were attacking Rouen.""I couldn't hear the guns," you say, shaking your head, "Not when we were together. The war stopped when I was with you."She blushes, "You are too much. A flatterer.""An honest man," you suggest."Sometimes," her smile fades a bit, "Things seemed so hopeful then. When maybe we could win the war.""Harold thinks it's possible to win this one," you counter. "He thinks that if we win here, you and I may see Normandie again.""Normandie . . ." Vivienne says it as if the name is foreign to her. "I would like this. You think it is possible?"You nod, "I do. Given the right circumstances. I think that we can return England to where she belongs, and Normandie with her.""I will stand by you. You know this. You stayed by me, even without my lands. So I stand by you," Vivienne recites the words like an oath."Harold also asked, in a roundabout way, when we'll have children of our own."Now, your wife faintly blushes. "I wonder this myself sometimes. I feel like I am too old to have no children.">We should have a child>There will be time after this war>Write in
>>2201239>>We should have a child
>We should have a child>Writing
"Perhaps," you say, "We should change that.""Change?" She blinks at you."You and I should have a child. Together."Her face lights up, "Ah! Oui! Yes, I think so too. Wouldn't it be wonderful?'You stub out your cigarette in a nearby ashtray and look at your wife expectantly. "Well?"She looks puzzled."Shouldn't we get started?" you give her a coy grin.Her faces flushes with color. "Oui," She says, Je suis d'accord. Let us not delay." She takes your hand and draws you into a long kiss.***I'm out of time for this session. Thanks for stopping by guys!Next week we continue, Thursday 7 EST, 11 UTC. With final preparations made, the attack on Devonshire begins.Thanks for playing! Hope to see you all then, and be sure to let me know if you have any questions or anything.
>>2201323Thanks for running TK, when can we get back to molesting underage nobles and UNLIMITED POWAH!?
>>2201323Thanks for the run mate.
>>2201335>Thanks for running TKMy pleasure!>Dark EmpireWhen this quest has a satisfactory end, then I'll work on launching DE again.>>2201425>Thanks for the run mate.No problem, thanks for playing!
>>2201323I'm very excited to see how the Battle for Devonshire goes!Our wife is adorable. Seymour must have a real problem keeping his boner in check if he's had so many affairs
>>2202870Can't wait to run it myself!I'm inclined to agree with you, but hey, that's just who this guy is I guess.