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War, war never changes.

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>>1986455

You are the Courier. Currently, you are on your next big gambit to gain another key edge over the NCR, an alleged Pre-War military base somewhere in Hawaii. Your timing could not have been better, or perhaps could have been a lot better, as you just narrowly got a tiny head start against the NCR who are already on the way with a big fleet and the very President of the NCR himself on a ship capable of rivaling yours. You hope to try and get the base before the NCR does, or its another set of cards in their deck that they could one day stack against you.
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>>2017168
>Friendly Approach
You step on out into the light, dressed in your Power Armor. You could have chosen the suit, but you felt this tends to have a better response.

>Security Guard
"HALT"

Several security guards and human robots walk up to you, some riding little cart things.

You see that a few of them have Power Armor, but the rest mostly have Exo/Combat Armor but very advanced and clearly Old World, though not of any government model for sure. Their weapons likewise are also non-standard, all shiny and black or very well designed.

>Security Guard
"Identify yourself!"

>You
[A Courier from the Mainland Commonwealth]

>Security Guard 1
"Yeah, right. Like we would believe that"

>Security Guard 2
"Hold on a moment. Look at his model. Enclave armor. You just don't get those anymore. And he's walking in it, he's clearly trained."

>Security Guard 1
"What is your purpose here?"

>You
[I've come to speak to your leaders, I have an important message to bring to them]

The security guards chat among themselves, then call in something on a radio. You notice multiple camera's observing you, as well as drones. After a short wait, they respond.

>Security Guard 1
"Alright pal. We'll escort you there. Don't. Try. Anything. I don't care if you're in Armor or the bloody Enclave, you try anything shifty and we'll turn you into Swiss."

>You
(What's a swiss. . .)

>con't
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>>2017234
I'd like to get a pair of those exo armor suits that's for sure
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Okay so these guys are related to the Enclave for certain.
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>>2017260
Looks to be it. If we have ever wanted to get the Enclave into into our nation, this would be it.
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>>2017234
You are escorted by armed guards, as you pass by. . .what might be the most fanciest place you've ever seen. It's a bit like a mix of the Ultra Luxe, the Nursery, and New Reno put together. Only much MUCH more well decorated and with plenty of water and greenery.

The houses here are nothing short of mansions. Each and every one. The people that you see riding about in cars, carts or scooters are all in great physical shape, smooth skin, nice muscles, and no blemishes. The air itself smells fresh and pretty.

There are more service robots here than even at BigMT, Mr. Handy's and humanoid robots everywhere trimming hedges, planting flowers, sweeping streets.

In contrast there are also a lot of human laborers. You can tell the difference in that, where some of the populace are wearing very fancy outfits, these are wearing very low quality outfits. They aren't unclean or ragged by any means, but very clearly designated as workers including a visible number tag. Many them even have collars. Rather well off as slaves to be honest, kind of like Vault City. Probably domestic slaves by the look of it.

>con't
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>>2017275
Hmm...clearly they could afford to have robots do their labour entirely...so are the human labourers a status symbol or because of population growth without the ability to replace or create more robots? So much to consider and so little time to develop theories...
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>>2017260
Eden, President John Henry Eden.
It's all there, You just have to look.
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>>2017291
I suppose but I just presumed it had to do with the entire place being so...nice.
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>>2017305
You would think that, but what do you think is more likely, that whoever is in charge named this veritable paradise after a very fitting biblical reference, or somehow, a ZAX located on the East Coast survived getting blown up, and a subsequent move and installation on the other side of the continent?

Follow the breadcrumbs.
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>>2017275
Eventually you are brought to a tall structure. A skyscraper, only sleek, shiny and intact! It glimmers in the sun, even after 200 years. You see people working on platforms held by ropes as well as drones wiping the windows.

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The inside reminds you of the NCR's Hotel or the Vegas Casino's, only . . .cleaner to be honest, and sleek. As though time had no effect here.

>Woman
"Welcome to Eden. My name is Secretary Steele. I'm here on behalf of the Board and Chief Executive Officer Selmy who are not able to be here today.

I'm told you are a messenger from the United States Government. We have not had any contact with you in almost 200 years.

Do you have any authentication of your identity?"

>What do
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>>2017353
What was the name of that one Enclave scientist guy who could legitimize our claim as a successor of the Enclave?
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>>2017368
Dr Bradley. Technically speaking he's the highest ranking officer left alive from the Enclave Oil Rig.

Although he's a Super Mutant right now.
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>>2017368
Would they even know who he is if they haven't been in contact for 200years?
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>>2017368
Name dropping him probably won't work. These people seem to have no contact with the Enclave as we know it.

>>2017353
My credentials were located on my assigned Eyebot, designation Eyebot Duraframe Subject E. If you had located it, allowing me access to it would allow me to retrieve my credentials.
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>>2017353
[Lady Killer: What about my very large and impressive penis?]

What about

"I am a messenger from the Mainland, one of the only ones to make it, apparently. I am here by order of Dr. Bradley, the acting president of the Enclave. While that name doesn't mean anything, no other name would either, would it? There is a large storm acting as a shield for the island, so no communications was able to be had, so we had to send people here the hard way.

My credentials were located on my assigned Eyebot, designation Eyebot Duraframe Subject E. If you had located it, allowing me access to it would allow me to retrieve my credentials. Otherwise, you can ask and I can answer, hopefully.
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>>2017353
>>2017373
Alright, what kind of verification codes did we get from Krieger again?
>>2017376
>>2017381
But the Guards recognized our Enclave armor, suggesting they had met the Enclave back when it was operational, so they should know important personnel and leaders of the old enclave.
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>>2017373
Qm we arent in contact with our brain atm are we?

>>2017381
Eh, Ill support this.
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>>2017386
>I am here by order of Dr. Bradley, the acting president of the Enclave.
I don't think we should do this.
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>>2017387
I don't think Identifying ourselves as a vertibird will help.

And the lady did just say that they had no contact with the US for 200 years.
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>>2017393
I don't see why not. Dropping any name at all wouldn't work. so might as well throw out the only name we know
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>>2017404
>I don't think Identifying ourselves as a vertibird will help.
Drat, i was hoping we got some verification codes that were higher than that.
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>>2017414
I was talking more about lying that Dr. Bradley was the president, which i don't think we need to do when we can just have him verify we're the Enclave once we fix our Pipboy.
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>>2017349
I suppose.

>>2017353
"You mean ignoring the fact that I am wearing Enclave power armour? Or the fact that I'm not a tribal? I offer the knowledge of control station ENCLAVE being an offshore oil rig, the last active one in the entire world pre-war.

I'd offer to let you communicate with my superior's but currently that is impossible thanks to damage my equipment I received during arrival. Although if I am supplied with electronics to effect repairs, I will be able to find my craft and restore long range communications."

Good?


>>2017368
They haven't talked to the Enclave in 200 years. That wouldn't help.
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>>2017424
This is a bit better.
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>>2017423
It's one of those things where it wouldn't really help, nor hurt. Also would it really be lying that he's acting president?
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>>2017436
>Also would it really be lying that he's acting president?
Yea kinda, he's not in any leadership position except maybe a scientist under our government.
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>>2017424
>They haven't talked to the Enclave in 200 years. That wouldn't help.
Yes it would god dammit, why has everyone forgotten the dialogue in >>2017234 ?
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>>2017452
So your logic that because they recognise Enclave PA, something that has remained more or less standard since the pre-war days, they'd know about the medical officer who only gained control long after they'd lost communications?
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>>2017424
Seems decent.

>>2017452
Those are robots anon, its just as likely that they recognize enclave symbols from pre war as it is that they may have interacted with enclave since then.
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>>2017353
Take off the impassive and imposing helmet to give a more human feeling to the interaction.

“Hello, my name is Six. I am currently acting president of the fractured United States.”

Our pip boy supports this assertion if i recall correctly.

“Californian separatists are en route to these islands. Their general intends to force the entire population into his expansionist schemes. Those who will not work for him he will imprison in internment camps.”

Gesture to any office furniture

“If we can be seated I can outline how we can prevent your people from loss of their God given Liberty.”
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>>2017460
pipboy's still broken i think.
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>>2017442
But by the Enclave's succession system, he is technically in charge. While he has no power at all, he still should be president.
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Just need a vote of three. I'll adapt your response to something more fitting if need be based upon the intent rather than the literal wording.
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>>2017455
>So your logic that because they recognise Enclave PA, something that has remained more or less standard since the pre-war days
Except that Enclave PA was made after the bombs fell you idiot.
>"Hold on a moment. Look at his model. Enclave armor. You just don't get those anymore. And he's walking in it, he's clearly trained."
>>2017457
Oh my Christ you actually have.
>Several security guards and human robots walk up to you, some riding little cart things.
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>>2017475
And that doesn't change my main point: how in the fuck does name dropping someone they've never heard of work to convince them?
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>>2017481
Because they should know his name cause he was very important Enclave personnel.
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>>2017424
Your speech is a bit too confrontational and condescending.
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>>2017487
But they don't know people in the enclave.
Unless they think the US government and the Enclave are two different things, they have had no contact for 200 years.

Or someone is lying, and now would be a time to call them out.
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>>2017487
>"They'll totally know this guy, he's super important and thus they'll instantly know him." (Even though he wasn't in that position of power, let alone alive, at that the time they could've found out...)


That is the entirety of your logic.
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>>2017475
I mean, X-01 Power armor was finished before the bombs fell according to F4 lore which is what the Advanced Enclave Power Armour is based off of / improves upon which was created after the wars as you've stated.

Might as well name drop, it does as little harm as it does good.

Perhaps the enclave has a destroyed base on the island? Maybe something they would have seen? Might be worth looking into after this base fiasco.
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>>2017494
>But they don't know people in the enclave.
They should at least know very important personnel, like Dr. Bradley who if i recall correctly was like Chief scientist or something.
>Unless they think the US government and the Enclave are two different things, they have had no contact for 200 years.
They did, they recognized Enclave PA which means they were contacted by the Enclave AFTER the war.
And trust me, there's no way they can confuse old world PA and Enclave PA seeing as Enclave PA was made after the bombs fell.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave_power_armor
>The armor was created by the Enclave's skilled team of engineers and scientists after the Great War, as a result of a research program initiated in 2198,
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>>2017519
But if they haven't had contact, and Bradley isn't pre-war, then they would have no idea.

I do agree with the power armor point though
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>>2017519
Yes, but she just said they had no contact for 200 years, so either she is lying, or they won't know about the Enclave and their chain of command.
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>>2017460
Supporting this approach.

Californian separatists have rendered serious damage onto the old Enclave.

I lead the successor state, the Phoenix Commonwealth of America.

The last President of the US according to the order of succession, has confirmed my leadership.
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>>2017531
>But if they haven't had contact, and Bradley isn't pre-war, then they would have no idea.
But the Power armor point does support that they did have contact, however i admit i can no longer be sure they havve after learning about F4 X-01 lore from >>2017508
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>>2017534
Aw shit i can't believe that bit slipped my mind.
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>>2017538
I'd support it with this add on. While we did just say we were a courier, I am sure we could explain how we have many roles.

>>2017547
>>2017547
Well the power armor look didn't change much, and if they saw the Enclave symbol on the armor, then it would just be a logical conclusion
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>>2017534
Just because the enclave hasn’t stopped by and said hello doesn’t mean they haven’t found enclave equipment washed up from the mega storm
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>>2017560
True. They probably think the Enclave is just another post war faction. Pick up flotsam with X-01 armour labeled Enclave and things line up.

But that means >>2017538
won't mean anything to them, and the more we have to explain the less likely they would be to believe us.
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Could we all just agree on this:

"I offer the knowledge of control station ENCLAVE being an offshore oil rig, the last active one in the entire world pre-war.

I'd offer to let you communicate with my superior's but currently that is impossible thanks to damage my equipment I received during arrival. Although if I am supplied with electronics to effect repairs, I will be able to find my craft and restore long range communications."
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>>2017622
I'll support it.
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>>2017622
Put in something about ED-E If they have him, best we stake our claim in him before they dismantle him or something
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>>2017622
We don't have superiors...

We should really provide them with the truth - we run an Enclave successor state and the NCR separatists are coming for them.

This way we can verify what we say - while bringing them up to speed on events on the mainland (if tinted our way)
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>>2017634
It's just the fact that I doubt we can convince them we are the head of a successor state. Easier to convince them we are a special agent than a president.
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>>2017643
I agree. I doubt they expect Heads of state to actually go out for things like this.
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>>2017643
Which will make convincing them hard later - as we've lied to them now.

We can recite all history for the past 100 years on the mainland, and say that once our communications are fixed we can put them in touch with the former Enclave President to back up our claims of being a successor state.
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>>2017622
Dude, we don’t have superiors, like at all.

And they likely don’t know jack shit about the oil rig.

AND it’s still semi-confrontational
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>>2017643
>>2017647
I agree for the most part, however when they realize we lied to them then it's going to be even harder to get their help, or for them to even be kind to us
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>>2017460
>Take off the impassive and imposing helmet to give a more human feeling to the interaction.
>“Hello, my name is Six. I am currently acting president of the fractured United States. Californian separatists are en route to these islands using stolen Enclave IFF codes to avoid the storm. Their general intends to force the entire population into their fascist, expansionist schemes. Those who will not work for them are imprisoned in internment camps.”
>Gesture to any office furniture
>“If we can be seated I can outline how we can prevent your people from loss of their God given Liberty, and your reintegration into America the beautiful."

This is literally perfect, do this.

If they need proof, ask them to repair our pipboy and then we can contact our people.
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Wait a fuck

These guys don’t have a horse in this race. Like at all.

All we really need to do is convince them to help us get back on our feet. Once we restore coms we can handle the rest without them (maybe)
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>>2017656
>Which will make convincing them hard later - as we've lied to them now.
Seeing as a fair few of us seemingly want to completely take over their government I'm fine with that.

>We can recite all history for the past 100 years on the mainland, and say that once our communications are fixed we can put them in touch with the former Enclave President to back up our claims of being a successor state.
Fine I'll write something new up.

>>2017658
>Dude, we don’t have superiors, like at all.
Dude, presidents don't go on expeditions to dangerous places and shit, like at all.

>And they likely don’t know jack shit about the oil rig.
That I find unlikely.

>AND it’s still semi-confrontational
Like hell it is. That is literally as non-confrontational as I can do.
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>>2017678
>Dude, presidents don't go on expeditions to dangerous places and shit, like at all.
What about you?
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>>2017697
We are the Courier, the exception to the rule.
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>>2017697
We'll that's why we're the best
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>>2017701
What about Yaunker?
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>>2017678
>>Dude, we don’t have superiors, like at all.
Dude, presidents don't go on expeditions to dangerous places and shit, like at all.

Alot of US ones disagree
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>>2017697
We feel the need to reconnect with the American people. A modern day Johnny Appleseed spreading the fruit of Safety and Freedom.
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>>2017708
It's not the norm these people would be accepting of.
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>>2017718
>Johnny Appleseed
We really need to make a propaganda department and have them start publishing stories of us.
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>>2017723
Who are you referring to?
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>>2017731
Any Presidents going around, leading from the front. Us and Yaunker are pretty much to only ones who do so.
Imagine if some guy shows up at your door and says he's the governor of Kentucky. You wouldn't believe him. Governors don't do that.
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>>2017750
What about Andrew Jackson? Didn't he offer god damn cheese to his neighbors?
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>>2017764
Yeah, Ol' Hickory was one of a kind. Revolutionary War, War of 1812, kicking the Injuns out, etc...
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>>2017764
He was given a cheese, and invited the people of the capital to take some, but that isn't really the same as going around alone on dangerous missions.
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>>2017775
Our historical records CLEARLY show presidents of all eras standing amidst numerous tragedies from hurricanes to destroyed war zones.
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>>2017795
Teddy Roosevelt was quite active and hunted. While it is very hard for a president to do these things safely, they try
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>>2017795
Truly they were made of sterner stuff than modern men.
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My main point is that I doubt they'd believe the random grunt of the Enclave is the president but if you all want to give it a shot I won't oppose it.
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are we still at an impass?
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>>2017795
In the aftermaths of tragedies on their home soil- not going of into the unknown alone, with no body guards or anything.
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>>2017813
If they don't we could just punch a wall again.
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>>2017816
I think the "general" agreement is >>2017538
>>2017460
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>>2017830
There is plenty of contention about identifying ourselves as a faction leader or just an agent.
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>>2017851
Is that what it boiled down to? Either being an agent or the president? I could agree to being some "agent" of the Commonwealth, because even when we reveal our true role, they will probably understand
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>>2017858
Essentially. One side argues that lying about our importance / role will foster distrust whereas the other side believes that the Eden-folk wouldn't believe we are the president.
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>>2017538
>>2017460

Fuck it then, Ill support this if it will let us move on.
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OP are you still there?
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Back,

>>2017460
Writing
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>>2018004
Does it really take you a hour to update or it is finding a suitable picture?
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i had to sit back and think exactly. . .how you would say this and what the appropriate response would be.


>>2017460
She pauses noticeably. Staring you up and down, as if she's not entirely sure what to say.

". . .

I'm going to try and entertain what you just said. Because with all that armor and weapons, I really, sincerely, would prefer it that you are not insane.

I'd like to see some form of proof as to why the President of the Enclave decided to show up, alone, in front of our gate. And some form of proof that you are who you say you are."

>You
[My craft was badly damaged on the way here, I may be the only survivor. I'd need to repair my communication device, then I'll be able to transmit proof from the mainland.]

She furrows her brow for a bit.

". . .Alright then."

She starts tapping at her holograhic noteboard

>con't
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>>2018235
Also, Did you happen to find an Eyebot, Eyebot duraframe subject E, and a grumpy bald man named Riddick? We were separated in transit.
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>>2018173
Sometimes it is finding a picture actually. This time I got pulled away.

>>2018235
You get your parts.

And more security. A lot more security. With energy fields.

You repair your Pip-Boy and detect several things: the location of your crashed UFO, access to Diana's Satellite and Contact with BigMT.

>You
[This is Six to Big Mountain. Come in General Kreger]

>Kreger
"We're recieving you Sir"

>Steele
"You have a Vault Tec pip boy, that could be a recording or an AI program speaking."

>Kreger
"Ma'am I assure you this is no recording or AI. I am General Judah Kreger, United States Army, Serial Number 243-42-8443"

>Steele
"We're not the Army, we don't have a way to verify that. We were told by a representative from General Alexandra in 2079 to wait until an all clear signal was given on the secure lines."

[BONUS ACTIVATED]

>Dr Bradley
"This is Dr. Bradley (his brain by the sound of it). I'm currently chief-"

>Dr Klein
*cough*

>Dr Bradley
"of Enclave Operations. The universal All Clear Code in the absence of the Automated System is Foxtrot Alpha Delta Echo Oscar Uniform Tango"

>Steele
"Oh. . .alright. Please wait here a minute."

You're left alone for a while, the various guards surrounding you from all sides.

>con't
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>>2018306
>Foxtrot Alpha Delta Echo Oscar Uniform Tango
Fadeout, I like it OP

That Dr. Bradley he such a gift and we have that nat 100 to thank
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>>2018306
Bradley saves the fucking day.
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>>2018306
After a while, Steele Comes back.

>Steele
"Security stand down.

Allow me to personally apologize for the delay, we've confirmed the All Clear code.

On behalf of the Board, welcome to Eden . .Mr. President."

---

You find yourself in a luxurious room while the Board of Directors is preparing an emergency meeting.

No Alexa, but this is a very high class room with some technologies you definitely intend to bring home. Colored TV, TV with actual colors! A microwave machine that cooks food without destroying it! A telephone, that you can pick up and doesn't have to be plugged into the wall!

The technology here is ahead of its time.

In addition you have a complement of servants, maids, and butlers at your wait and call.

>What Do?
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>>2018331
Have you people found an eyebot and a bald man?
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>>2018331
>>2018337
May i also sample local cuisine and ask why you still have human laborers despite the robots?
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>>2018337
"We confirmed sighting of smoke coming from the coordinates described in your Pip-Boy, as well as camera recordings showing a smoking hulk flying through the air.

I'm sorry sir but the craft appears to have crashed deep into criminal territory. We're assembling a response force but it will take time."
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>>2018331
>Mr. Preident
AH SHIT

Ask for a history lesson from one of the servants.
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>>2018353
What do you mean by criminal?
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>>2018353
>I'm sorry sir but the craft appears to have crashed deep into criminal territory. We're assembling a response force but it will take time.
Would that be the Tribals i've encountered? If so please withhold that response force and explain who they are and what their history is.
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>>2018331
>On behalf of the Board, welcome to Eden . .Mr. President."
Fuck yes!

Honest approach wins the day (plus Bradley)

>>2018363
Fuck the tribals, fuck all of that - it can wait.

We need a way to isolate and turn off the Enclave IFF signal that the NCR are using ASAP - that way, the storm will destroy them.
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>>2018353
I don't suppose that Riddick has a way to communicate similar to our pipboy?
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>>2018378
>We need a way to isolate and turn off the Enclave IFF signal that the NCR are using ASAP - that way, the storm will destroy them.
It's already off, but i agree the only way to keep them out would be to take control of Hawaii and that storm maker.
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>>2018378
We can just move the Iowa's signature from the friend list to the foe list.
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>>2018349
"Robots are quite costly, and there are limits to how closely they can mimic certain human functions."

>>2018358
>>2018363
"Criminals sir. Murderers, Thieves, as well as Contract Violators. They imagine themselves some tribe based on their ancestry and the villages of Hawaii'ns that lived here centuries ago.

Their ancestors signed contracts for themselves and their families as indentured servants, as continuing payment for the privelege of living on Eden in the event of nuclear war. Many of them attempted to break their contract and received fines, further increasing their indentured debt. I'm sure by now anyone we recapture from out there would take dozens of generations just to pay off their own debt with interest for lost time. Our Security is always on alert for them."
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>>2018387
>"Robots are quite costly, and there are limits to how closely they can mimic certain human functions."
They would still be superior, however if the problem is cost i could fix that. And perhaps the other thing too if it's what i think you're insinuating.
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>>2018387
Also, how are you managing to keep such a wonderful place running? Where do you get the resources for repairs and maintenance?
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>>2018394
*cough* "You'd need to speak with the Board of Directors on that account Mr. President."

Might pass out soon, if there are things you want to ask these people or general goals you want to carry out go ahead and list them.
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>>2018397
"We are quite well stockpiled and have the infrastructure to produce and repair parts from scrap metal, though we recycle as often as we can. This is also partly why prefer human labour, as it conserves on metal while it's much easier to get more humans. They did sign a contract indicating a compliance with familial quota's as well."
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>>2018398
Does the Board of director have any control over the massive storm to the East? any system that would recieve IFF data, and enable access to the island?
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>>2018408
*more servants
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>>2018408
"Well then, i can definitely fix that resource problem of yours."
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>>2018398
One of the first goals is to stop the NCR from landing, then setting permanent communication with our home base, getting the teleporter up and finding the UFO and finding Riddick.

Then we'll have to bridge the gap between the tribals and Eden, by either wiping them out finally or allying them with us.
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>>2018414
>by either wiping them out
I strongly recommend we don't do this, it'll be bad if our Citizens hear of it.
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>>2018409
"No sir. As far as any of us are aware, the storm is being generated by the military Pearl Habor. My grandmother was there when the Chinese tried to invade, their ships crashed on the rocks while their planes were blown away. It is what has protected us from the dangers of the outside world.

Are you not aware of this as Commander in Chief?"
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>>2018416
I'm just putting the options out there anon. We don't know the whole story yet. These could be some fucked up people

>>2018417
After the war, many documents and much information was lost, so it has been my main goal of reconnecting with every loyal American I can and recovering what we lost.
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>>2018417
>Are you not aware of this as Commander in Chief
"Unfortunately not, i had my assumptions but due to events in these 200 years great amounts of military intel was lost."
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>>2018417
Seeing as how I am unaware of the authority and reaches of the Board, I wished to verify whether or not they do have access to Pearl Harbour or not.
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>>2018422
True enough.
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>>2018417
Qm question - with their Ideal lifestyle, do these people seem to fit the pure human/non fev affected criteria?
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>>2018435
Your pip-boy interestingly note's little radiation and people here take their daily doses of Rad-X. You can't be sure without strict genetic testing, but it stands to reason these people may not be FEV infected.
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>>2018422
this seems solid
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>>2018422
"I suppose it is understandable your craft would have been damaged on the way here through the storm."

>>2018426
"Nobody has left the island for 200 years. Or entered it as far as we know, until you Sir. The Storm has surrounded us and shielded us.

We were awaiting the all clear and for a fleet to inform us that America had been rebuilt"
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>>2018467
That's a work in progress. However An rebel state has gained access codes to get past the storm. We need to go to Pearl Harbour and strike them off the Friendly list so they do not gain access to this territory.
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Gonna pass out now

>>2018487
"I see. I'll be sure to inform the Board of this development."
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>>2018467
The situation on the mainland is likely more complicated than you would expect. A full briefing would take far longer than we have, but suffice it to say that most pre-war estimates fall far short of the true extent of the damage.

Many factions of dubious morality seek to claim the American dream.
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>>2018467
Even two hundred years later, America is still rebuilding. The damage from the great war was far greater than any possible prediction.

I can debrief your board when it becomes convenient, but right now it is urgent that I find my downed craft and traveling companion.
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This has gone far better than I had hoped! If we dont fuck this up now we could have an ally as well as a staging platform to the C&C base. We should probably set up the teleporter ASAP and ferry through a few replicators and some bots for security. Then connect BigMT to their mainframe and see what we can see. Then portal through another portal and lets go see if the base will let us in.
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>>2018637
Agreed!

We have a list of three priorities:
1. Recover the UFO + Riddick + EDE
2. Set up the teleporter to BigMT and bring our military across to ensure our control of this location
3. Go to the military base and update the IFF list
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>>2018637
>>2018656
So we know that we have to deal with the NCR. and I don't remember for sure, but Yaunker is traveling with the fleet. If we eliminate the NCR fleet as friendly within the island's books then the fleet will be destroyed and possibly Yaunker as well. This might tip the balance against the NCR to breaking point, as for sure the loss of Yaunker is the loss of the lynchpin holding the country together and our stalemate goes kaput.

On the other hand, if the fleet lands we will have to deal with an extremely large military force and the presence of Yaunker himself in the island which may lead to conflict. Of course diplomatic actions by ourself might prevent this, but it will be a close one for sure. The tribes are another factor that we haven't considered though I would imagine it is quite easy to resolve it.
- Eden relies on indentured servitude/slavery
- We fix the teleporter, get an Omniconstructor through, and create the robots.
- Emacipation proclamation 2: electric boogaloo
- Bring the horde of people back to the tribes, announce our position as leader and how we were responsible for stopping the attacks and how the tribes no longer need to live in fear. Maybe recruit them as a auxillary force against a potential fight.

Of course there are things we haven't considered yet:
- One is whether or not the Board of Directors is willing to cooperate with our emacipation though the constructors will no doubt be a benefit to any negotiations.
- Second, the NCR is passing through the storm but how do they know that they can get passed? Some anon mentioned access codes which may be due to them accessing secret American bases, but as long-range communications with the mainland is possible we can't rule out the potentiality of someone providing this information from the island.
- Third, we have to quickly find out how far is the NCR fleet is from arriving.
- Fourth, we need information about his place as quickly as possible. The secretary is one thing, but chances are she's going to tell us only what is officially ordained by the Eden command. We need to hack into their databases to see what's up.
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>>2018637
Essentially. This entire place is going to be an amazing boon to our nation and we can fix the shit that they have "wrong" in their society by our standards.

>>2018656
Yep.

>>2018715
>- Bring the horde of people back to the tribes, announce our position as leader and how we were responsible for stopping the attacks and how the tribes no longer need to live in fear. Maybe recruit them as a auxiliary force against a potential fight.
Agreed, they'll make excellent citizens as well if they survive.

>- One is whether or not the Board of Directors is willing to cooperate with our emancipation though the constructors will no doubt be a benefit to any negotiations.
I get the feeling when they see our far superior robotics, that can easily out-thinking their own, they'll be a little more willing. Especially when we offer everything else we've got in return for them freeing the slaves and being part of our nation. Worst comes to worst, we eliminate the board.

>- Second, the NCR is passing through the storm but how do they know that they can get passed? Some anon mentioned access codes which may be due to them accessing secret American bases, but as long-range communications with the mainland is possible we can't rule out the potentiality of someone providing this information from the island.
We assume that they'll get through the storm since we only disabled their IFF for a time. If they survived until it reactivated they'd continue without issue.

>- Third, we have to quickly find out how far is the NCR fleet is from arriving.
They were a few weeks away when we did our attack. Depending on how long we were unconscious and how long it took to get here we might have lost four to five days.

>- Fourth, we need information about his place as quickly as possible. The secretary is one thing, but chances are she's going to tell us only what is officially ordained by the Eden command. We need to hack into their databases to see what's up.
We are the president now. We can probably just assume direct control.
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>>2018761
>We are the president now. We can probably just assume direct control.
Technically yes, but these people have had a set way of life for centuries as well as social and governmental structure. I think it will be a little more complicated in establishing control. We need to talk to the board and if they seem like they're hiding stuff from us we go through the back door.
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>>2018715
>- Emacipation proclamation 2: electric boogaloo
>- Bring the horde of people back to the tribes, announce our position as leader and how we were responsible for stopping the attacks and how the tribes no longer need to live in fear. Maybe recruit them as a auxillary force against a potential fight.
We should aim to add a bunch of service robots to this society - while at the same time taking the indentured and the 'criminals' back to BigMT.

That will prevent conflict between the two groups as create more productive citizens.

Portal travel between the two areas should 100% be restricted to necessary personnel only.
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>>2018800
True.

>>2018805
Why not just use the tribals to settle the other islands? Explain the situation in detail and that seeking revenge will only lead to more violence.
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While you await dinner, you spend your time enjoyng the various new technologies.

Particularly something called a "Walkman". It works like a pipboy holotape player, only much smaller and able to fit in your pocket. These "casettes" are able to hold many hours more than holotapes. What's more, they are attached to devices you put in your ears so you can privately listen to music. The best part is they work without radio contact, and because you develop the casette track yourself, you get to listen to the music you like without commercial breaks.

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Dinner is provided to your room on silver platters. A sampler. Some of these foods have funny sounding names, some of them taste a bit odd (you definitely tasted worse), but a lot of it is spectacularly delicious! Their Brahmin Beef is incredible soft, moist, and almost melts in your mouth. Strangely they don't know what a Brahmin is, and when you ask they say it comes from "Kobe cows". In any case the food here outclasses anything you've seen before. And apparently this is just the take home stuff, with much finer items during formal occasions.

There isn't much contact after that even into the next day when they provide breakfast in bed, Steele isn't reachable at the moment. Your servants say the Board is busy with important internal affairs right now, and apologize for the delay at meeting such an esteemed official.

Hmmm, your bullshit sense is tingling.

>What do?
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>>2018973
The president of the Enclave should be able to help them with their internal affairs since they are under our jurisdiction. So how about we go drop in on their meeting and offer our insight? No need to inform them we are coming however...

Failing that, I think it is time we go for a walk. Let's go to that "criminal territory" and see if we can't get to Riddick, ED-E, our ship and the important teleporter.
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>>2018993
This, let's put something nice on and pop right in.
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Also, if the technical developments of this place we've seen so far are anything to go by, this place is going to massively improve the lives of our citizens.
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>>2019015
The appliances, absolutely.
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>>2018973
Time too find out why our bullshit sense Is tingling
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>>2018993
Support
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>>2018993
Hmmm, you get the sense you're being closely monitored. There are at least 3 or 4 hidden camera's, not to mention your servants are always nearby, as well as guards down the hall. Your absence is likely to be noticed.

Would you still like to go undercover?
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>>2019313
Who said anything about undercover? There are two possibilities: either they will attempt to contain us, in which case we can ask why until either they concede or we have reason to believe our position is unsecured; the other possibility is that they will not attempt to contain us and we will be able to come and go as we please while they attempt to either direct themselves or us away from what they don't want us to find.


If I had to take a guess, they are just worried it's a ruse but still they shouldn't have any problem with us going for a walk and shit.
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>>2019313
So first, look for all the cameras we can in our own private room, and cover them up nonchalantly with objects, then tell our servants we'll go to bed.

Put on our stealth suit and sneak out of the suite. Make a shape in the bed like we're sleeping in it
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>>2019364
Well if they are planning something secret, us telling them they are leaving kind of ruins the point
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>>2019427
Except my point is to figure out if they are just being cautious about this new supposed president or if they are genuinely not going to listen to us before we start trying any stealthy operations and shit.
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>>2018973
let's just wait and see.

worst case they are talking to Yaunkers and were going to have to kill the entire board.

best case they are arguing over reunification and are about to make an offer.

either way we can hurry things along by informing then through proper channels thatwe will need to be heading out into criminal territory soon.

in the mean time, relax. read a book, talk to the servants.

there will be plenty of time for dealing or violence shortly.
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>>2019434
Well I completely understand your point but it could ruin the element of surprise.If we try to walk out the door and they stop us, then sure, that's strange

But if they let us leave, I guarantee that as soon as we leave the servants are gonna contact the board.

Either that, or we're being paranoid again
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>>2018973
Leave the room and talk to one of the guards, make it clear that we want a message to the higherups.

Paraphrase the following, for political correctness as necessary.

"Look, I understand that you buncha fucks have lived on this island for however long with uncontested dominion. I understand that you're probably unwilling to lose that privilege to me, seeing as I represent the government and you guys seem like the sort to follow protocol.

I /understand/ all of that, can empathize with your concerns, and allow me to assure you that at the power levels you guys are playing at we can work out something that is agreeable to all parties.

However, let me assure you that dipshitting around and making me sit by like that's not what you're doing is NOT the way to accomplish whatever your specific goals are.

Now you guys are either going to let me into that fucking bullshit 'internal affairs' meeting you've got going on so we can have some goddamn constructive talks OR you're going to let me go and give me what I need to repair my craft and recover my allies. And it's going to happen /NOW/ because I don't have time to sit and wait.

One of these options will leave you much better endeared to me than the other, but I'll leave it to you to decide which you'll take. So what do you say?"
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>>2019434
>>2019436
>>2019489
Going to be away for 30min, but writing.
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They might be talking to Yaunker or plotting to kill us. Or who knows. We need access to a computer terminal so we can hack into cameras, read up stuff etc.
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>>2019822
Or just arguing about whether to bend the knee or not. They probably know to do so would limit their power, which Is likely not ideal for them.
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>>2019822
I dont think the board wants to give up power.
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>>2019436
You decide to become a "Tourist" and head to the various amenities here. And there are so many.

People here travel around in scooters or in "Golf"-Carts. Everywhere you go you are 'escorted' by guards. The first place you decide to visit is the library.

It's . . .massive. Its at least as large as the NCR's University or the Follower's University. The books here are excellently preserved and there are advanced electronic cataloging systems.

The first thing you do is book up on the history of Eden.

It was designed as a haven for the Wealthy Elite of the old world, with exclusive invitations going out to the greatest entrepeneurs of the age. Though many invitations were never returned, such as Mr. House, Mr. Bradberton, and several others, quite a number of others did show up. It was part of a joint Government and Corporate effort to "preserve the spirit of capitalism" in the event of nuclear war.

More interestingly, this place has electronic archives of the stock market and corproate assets of the Pre-War as well as vast stockpiles of gold, platinum, and pre-war money.

Eden is run by the descendants of the entrepeneurs, engineers, business owners. In addition, a number of natives and labourers were signed on as indentured servants, who would accept a personal debt for the 'privelege' of living in Eden.

You ask if anyone has ever paid off this debt, and a few have. But many more have not. "Too many make the unfortunate mistake of violating their contract or incurring fines, which increases their debt. When they die, any outstanding debts are added onto their children in addition to the mandatory debt given to all children of servants. Some families are not expected, short of a sudden debt forgiveness, to be able to pay off their debts for many generations, if ever."
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>>2019849
Meanwhile the Servants themselves are rather hush-mouthed. "Servants are seen not heard, Sir" when asked about whether they like their job, they smile and say yes that they appreciate the privelege of living in Eden. While a few legitimately content (mainly those in higher servant positions), others especially in lower ranks appear to be masking something else, you can tell by subtle facial movements or expressions.
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>>2019849
>More interestingly, this place has electronic archives of the stock market and corproate assets of the Pre-War as well as vast stockpiles of gold, platinum, and pre-war money.
My god, those high density metals would be great for fissile-replication, electronics, trade and just general shit.

Those lists of corporate assets? Vastly valuable since we can reclaim those locations.

>"Too many make the unfortunate mistake of violating their contract or incurring fines, which increases their debt. When they die, any outstanding debts are added onto their children in addition to the mandatory debt given to all children of servants. Some families are not expected, short of a sudden debt forgiveness, to be able to pay off their debts for many generations, if ever."
Perpetual debt slavery. It's like if you took a caricature of the modern economic system and made it real...
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>>2019894
Well I can't really blame them, but now that money isn't a thing for us anymore, indentured servitude like this isn't needed
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>>2019884
What about...us finding out whats causing our bullshit dector to go off?
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>>2019901
Still writing
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>>2019911
It's maybe a little too late, but can we use a isolated computer terminals in the library to hack in the Eden mainframe? Potentially spy or observe on the Eden officials.
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>>2019937
Library computers won't be on the same network as the high level government systems, would they?
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>>2019952
They weren't in the NCR at least, or at least in any meaningfully hackable way.
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>>2019899
>Well I can't really blame them
True, I mean their ancestors DID sign away their freedom and the Eden-folk did save them from nuclear death.

>now that money isn't a thing for us anymore, indentured servitude like this isn't needed
To be fair, money is a thing, it's just that it is used only for luxuries and for "voting".

>>2019937
>>2019952
This is a rich man's paradise. The likelihood of this being easy to get through is low. On the other hand, it's meant to be a place for ultra-capitalists and such who wouldn't be likely to cause problems so they might have a single network just for simplicities sake and shit.

Worth a shot.
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>>2019972
Money, unlike their society, isn't an issue, or anything to focus on. It's gonna be a shock for the rich, but I'm sure they'll get on board if we give them a healthy dose of propaganda about banding together as Americans
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>>2019998
Eh, I get the feeling that they don't really have capitalism either for the most part. They seem to have created a caste society between the pre-war rich and their indentured servants and lack any sorts of major economy.

Although it is hard to assess such things without knowledge of their population, industry and so on.
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>>2020023
But think of the culture shock they're gonna be subjected to once we take full control. Having distinct classes, and then everyone being "equal" the next day, it might create a few grumbles
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>>2019972
Currently your monetary system doesn't allow for things like debt or interest. The Sierra Madre Chip is the same.

There was talk about a percentage system based on the total amount of energy available, however this would fluctuate drastically depending on how much energy the government is using.

The compromise was to set aside a small percentage of energy/resource for civilian "market" and then dole them out in a set payment rate. Storing these energy credits in a bank instead meant to incur interest, but you can donate some of your credits towards a project you want to see completed. Most peoples food and basic living needs are not extremely energy taxing, and many can afford a growing income.

The vast majority of Energy/Fissile is government owned.
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>>2020029
Which is why I want to use the indentured population, who are experienced in maintaining equipment and such, as well as their tribal brothers to expand to the other islands and begin restoring the Hawaiian island chain.

To make up for the shift meanwhile, I'd advise we deploy most of our stock of civilian robots to replace them while also getting ready to construct more.

>>2020031
True but that doesn't effect this.
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>>2019489
You get the feeling saying these to the Guards would be a moot point. They're just Guards.

Also they aren't allowed to tell you where the meeting is, because they themselves are not privvy to that either.

You can always leave to go find your craft yourself but they strongly suggest against that.

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You realize the Board of Directors is intentionally delaying meeting you or giving you their presence. You aren't able to tell where they are, but from chatting around with other folk you see that they are absent from their usual hobbies of golfing, sunbathing, or other.

You are tempted to try and sneak around past forbidden areas and such.

>What do?
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>>2020074
Just plop on our stealth suit and find the most important looking building in the city.

Not the most delicate, but you know
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>>2020088
sure. Probably for the best.
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>>2020074
Im in favor of leaving to find our craft. If they ever do decide to meet with us they can contact us on our pipboy.
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>>2020088
>>2020095
We could see about going and getting our ship at this point, seeing as we have coordinates for it apparently. Although I could've misread it but I know for a fact we at least have a direction that the Eden-folk saw a stream of smoke descend in.
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>>2020114
Then we'll write a note or something saying we'll be back, put it in the pocket of one of the guards, and haul ass over there then
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>>2020124
Eh, I doubt they'd stop us. I'd ask for an escort and possibly mention the fact that our craft is technically nuclear armed...so they might want to secure it before those "criminals" do.

Assuming Riddick hasn't cut them up like a shredder or something.
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>>2020140
I'd rather not take the chance. We don't know what these people's intentions are so for now I'd advise to tread lightly
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Rolled 8 (1d100)

>>2020074
Can we examine one of the hidden cameras and determine where is it broadcasting to?
Security office = surveillance
Surveillance = location of board.
Rolling in case we need it.
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>>2020156
Good god I hate my dice.
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>>2020156
Except it probably goes to a local security room and then is relayed up the chain to the Board, so following the camera's would likely just take us on a scavenger hunt of go to A to find B to find C.
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Rolled 62 (1d100)

>>2020156
>Rolling when OP doesn't say
Rolling that low watch this
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>>2020168
I think we are a special case being the fucking president and all. That being said we are more likely to find clues than not. It won't hurt to try and how bout you roll son to help out.
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Guys lets just go secure our ship and get the teleporter mounted on it set up. Then we can start teleporting in reinforcements and shit.
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>>2020190
I've done it before for PER and INT checks so why not?
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>>2020074
lets force the issue a little bit.

have the guards get in touch with A representative of the Board.

it doesnt have to be miss Steele, but we would appreciate continuity.

if they havent responded in an hour we can knock out the guards and try the stealthy route
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Rolled 23 (1d100)

>>2020190
sad, sad rolls
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>>2020193
Reinforcements? We got the NCR coming soon so we don't want to start a fight just yet. We need these people on our side and to resolve this as soon as possible.
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>>2020193
We don't want reinforcements. We just want to secure the UFO and get to the bottom of whatever is happening
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Rolled 28 (1d100)

>>2020205
Could be better
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>>2020206
Relatively soon. Ships were still weeks away, and likely haven't been sped up by our disruption. Depends on how long we were unconscious.
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hey guys.

idea.

get in contact with AHS 9 back home and have him scan the situation psionically.

eh? eh?

maybe even influence the Board to be more cooperative
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>>2020206
>>2020211
If we can bring through people like Unity we can assemble our strike team to secure the Military base while we work on getting the Eden-folk on side.

Plus, we can send for stuff we currently lack in order to leverage our position. If we were to bring through 3 squads of infantry and assaultrons, that'd certainly get the Eden-folk listening and we could get SPI through to do spying for us.
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>>2020225
Hrrrrm. Can his psychic abilities even reach this far? Even if we get in contact it this might not work. Unless QM says otherwise.
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>>2020227
It's not gonna look to good when we're flooding the island with our own forces. This is one of those things where it's out of our hands.

We need to get the UFO working and see what the council is really doing.
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>>2020237
And in this we are agreed. Fact is though I think we will have an easier job finding out if we can get our actual spying assets through. SPI and the Chinese dragoon's for example.

Meanwhile we go with our best combat, hacking and other such companions in full combat gear to secure the military base.
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>>2020225
Is that something he does? I don't think he can go full Professor X.
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>>2020245
Doesn't change the fact that the council will see that we have invited unknown combatants onto the island without permission

If there were any council members on the fence about coming to our side, it's very possible they would be swayed opposite of us.

I could see of bringing maybe the SPI here, but that's it.
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>>2020262
>Doesn't change the fact that the council will see that we have invited unknown combatants onto the island without permission
And they have no reason to complain.

>If there were any council members on the fence about coming to our side, it's very possible they would be swayed opposite of us.
And it's very possible that seeing we actually have forces to bring to bear would make them admit our superiority.

>I could see of bringing maybe the SPI here, but that's it.
You agree we need the ship and should go get it however?
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>>2020275
It's unknown combatants and they don;t 100 % trust us. If they think we're going to military annex them, they won't cooperate well.
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>>2020275
>And they have no reason to complain.
What?

>And it's very possible that seeing we actually have forces to bring to bear would make them admit our superiority.
Or see it as an invasion and/or a threat to their sovergienity

Yeah I said we should go get the ship, secure it, then go see what's going on in the board meeting
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if the board refuses to see us we should make steele an offer.

help us with access and she gets to be chairwoman steele.
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>>2020283
>>2020287
I see we disagree about how they'd react to us bringing in additional people but can we just all agree to go get the ship? Please? So we can move on and shit.
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>>2020307
>but can we just all agree to go get the ship? Please? So we can move on and shit.

Yes
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>>2020307
yes. Lets just go to our ship.
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>>2020307
>>2020316
>>2020321
That's 3 for it!
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>>2020325
How should we deal with an armed escort tagging along?
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>>2020335
If they are willing to help us by going into a place they've got no orders to follow us to, let them come.


They will be adequate meatshields.
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>>2020335
We ditch them
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>>2020344
M8, I feel like you are too insistent on escalating when they hold all the cards. Even if the NCR is weeks away, it will take much longer to establish control if the entire place is against us.
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>>2020344
Them Dying does not inspire confidence in us. Best to ditch them. We are going into "criminal" territory.
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>>2020355
I don't want to escalate things. I want to get this shit solved so we can get back to the part of this that I find easier to do and so we can get this shit solved and the US base ready for the NCR's potential arrival.

>>2020371
>Them Dying does not inspire confidence in us.
Hey, the courier does not allow his bullet sponges to die.

>Best to ditch them. We are going into "criminal" territory.
I know but I doubt they are even going to follow us.
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>>2020385
No one wants them to come along, but we have all agreed to go to the UFO.
Let's just leave it at that and let QM writw
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>>2020396
Yep. Also to revive an old debate: what architectural style are we going to use for all of our shit?


I still say that art deco is ideal for our "brighter future!" outlook and goal. Not to mention the giant human statues and shit we can use to install robots covertly into our every building...
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>>2020404
I thought we were going full future pyramids after I highfived our architect.
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>>2020417
Not everything we build can be a pyramid. Or an obelisk.
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>>2020404
A lot of octagonal shit. Although, I would really like a lot of that Old Greek Revival shit that the US used when building it's government buildings.
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>>2020404
I say Neo-Futurism. White buildings is inherently opulent.
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>>2020424
Neo-Future + Art Deco + Neo-Egyptian sounds good

>>2020307
Supporting. Our guards can tag along if they'd like.
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>>2020307
Supporting
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>>2020424
>>2020434
I don't like Neo-Futurisim, can't we just stick with Art Deco/Neo Egyptian mix?
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>>2020444
I could agree to Art Deco, but other than a few obelisks and some pyramids, I hate Neo-Egypt. I could go for a Neo-Rome though
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>>2020444
Wait, what about c&c Nod architecture?
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>>2020444
Why? Neo Futurims is sweet. All clean, and opulent. and shiny.
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>>2020444
I would prefer we just stick to Art deco, perhaps with a bit of industrialism
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>>2020461
I just don't like it, the pics i'm looking at in google tick me off in some way.
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>>2020467
I feel as if industrialism sends a sort of backward message of what our society is capable of. Industrialist architecture calls back the industrial revolution, but we have long surpassed coal and smog and dirt that the era implies.
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How about we just make objective statements about different architectural concepts, styles and elements until we narrow down what we find acceptable? Then we term that "Phoenix-ian" architecture. That way we can each take what we like from certain styles without copying them wholesale.
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Back, reading up.
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>>2020452
The Neo-Egypt would just be those few pyramids.

The central government building in any town should be a pyramid/arcology - build in a strongly defensive manner.

Other government buildings will be built to a Neo-Roman style, incorporating obilisks sporadically.

Private buildings will be built Art Deco style - such as th vision in the pic
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>>2020307
You insist you want to find your craft, and while the Guards put up some verbal resistance, they arent about to argue with a giant man in military grade power armor with more weapons than a Swiss-Army Knife.

Out the gate you go.

>Robot
"Caution, Sir. Beyond the Barrier is deemed unsafe for civilian personell."

>You
[I'm no Civlian]

>Robot
"Please remain safe. Have a nice day"

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Into the jungle again, and not a minute off before the sound of energy beams and railguns and splattered and burnt monstrous foes, as you carve your way into the green toward the direction of your ship.
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>>2020582
Too old fashioned for me. We are the future, we should be embracing that, instead of reviving older architectural styles.

Compared to Neo-futurist design, Art Deco can be a bit busy, even gaudy at times.
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>>2020594
Yep, still ticks me off somehow somewhere.
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>>2020594
It looks like you hollowed out a giant tooth but I have to admit that it can look okay in some cases.
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>>2020592
Of course you don't blast all the way there or you'd be noticed, and switch to stealth mode eventually.

You discover the ship has been moved and the tracks cover. Finding it in this damned jungle was hard, you're not primed for jungle exploration but some of the same principles of forestry still apply. You do end up finding it in a large tribal base, bigger than the one you found before. This must be their headquarters!

Lo and behold, you see that Riddick has become something of a hero among them. For blasting apart robots and rescuing them. ED-E is there too, and so is the damaged ship hidden in the cave.

You make your presence known to Riddick, or he spots you. Between you and him its never quite sure who spots who first cause he is just that good.

>Riddick
"I see you've managed to find us. These people need our help."
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Seriously though, why not Nod architecture?
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>>2020641
>What say/do?
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>>2020643
To much black and red. Looks a bit too malevolent to really sell well.
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>>2020641
>>2020650
"What for? And by the way i have revealed my existence and president status to the Eden government, i suspect that may be problematic for you."
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>>2020670
This. Eden is probably causing the problems.
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>>2020660
I agree but we can just change the color scheme to fix that, how about silver and red?
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>>2020641
How badly damaged is the ship? What about the portal system.
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>>2020641
How long has it been since we EMP'd the NCR?
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>>2020641
How did I end up outside the saucer, while you two ended up with the saucer?
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>>2020641
*Explain our role in Eden as President, the discontentment of the working class, and the Board of Directors up to no good.*

[Any ideas on locating these guys?]
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>>2020804
Probably in the largest most official building. But first we have secure the islands from outside threats. Once we collect Riddick and ED-E we should head straight for Pearl Harbour.
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>>2020641
>>2020650
whats the situation?

Ive made contact with Eden and revealed myself as president of the United States, but they are stalling.

its not damning in and of itself, but they dont appreciate the gravity of the situation. We need to deal with the fleet bearing down on all of us.

once thats accomplished we can end this ridiculous indentured servitude farce.
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>>2020810
Maybe not, these guys might need our help without delay. If they can get us a power source we could hook up the teleporter and bring in armaments to help them stave off whatever is threatening them until we come back.
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>>2020821
>If they can get us a power source we could hook up the teleporter and bring in armaments to help them stave off whatever is threatening them until we come back.
China was assaulting this place when the bombs dropped. Multiple ships crashed and landed on the coast under the effect of the storm.

We searched one of these and found multiple functional Chinese assault rifles and other weapons. They could easily be supplied these if they lack conventional arms.
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>>2020836
I meant better weapons, the kind that are good against robots and aren't 200 years old.
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>>2020821
The back and forth has been going on for years. Our arrival would not have done anything to disrupt the balance too much . Riddick has mostly been defending, and has been handling himself quite well.
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>>2020846
Hey don't knock Chinese assault rifles. They are effective in the hands of the undertrained masses.

As to being effective against robots: these robots seem kinda shit. The real risk is the human guards.
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>>2020821
Help the tribals against our new Enclave buds, why?

We should just move them out to our colony in Montana, or other islands.

Set them up to be self-sufficient citizens of the new America.

Don't let the grudges of the past dictate your future.
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>>2020855
>As to being effective against robots: these robots seem kinda shit.
Are you sure? It seems to me the Tribals are just really good at destroying them.
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>>2020863
>Help the tribals against our new Enclave buds, why?
Cause that's what we do? Free slaves and make them into citizens?
Also i didn't say anything about having the Tribals attack Eden, just arming them so they can resist better.
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>>2020863
Yeah, except this is their "ancestral homeland" and that means a lot to some people. Many people. They won't abandon it if they aren't going to imminently die.
We can probably work something out between both factions so everyone is happy-ish
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>>2020867
The robots were described as reacting slowly and shit which implies to me that they aren't exactly the most advanced things.

>>2020882
>>2020891
To be fair, we could probably move them to the other islands of Hawaii.
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>>2020905
>The robots were described as reacting slowly and shit which implies to me that they aren't exactly the most advanced things.
Where did it say that?
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>>2020959
Previous thread when we first saw the tribals fighting a robot.
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>>2020964
This bit?
>As you step outside, you hear footsteps in the leaves. But you also hear the sound of metallic boots stomping down the road. It's a robot. Humanoid by the looks of it. Doesn't appear to be of a model you've seen, so not part of the big companies at least. It hasn't spotted you but you've spotted it. It's armed.

>You watch the robot searching around, weapons trained with clear intent. You then notice it heading toward a piece of vine on the ground, next to a bent tree. It takes a single step forward, and you hear the rope snap and the robot flung by bent tree slamming it back and forth on the ground. It buzzes angrily, firing its weapon erratically while bags filled with sticky, globular substances are thrown at its head and eyes.
>Figures begin moving from the jungle, bearing hammers and axes, thwacking the gun out of its hand before mauling the robot, trying to smash its head in. The robot swings back, but is outnumbered and trapped, and is being bashed to bits by the assailants. Eventually, its still enough that they let it down and continue to destroy it on the ground and rip out its pieces, putting them in bags.
Doesn't mention anything about it being slow.
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>>2020983
Aye round about that bit. I swear it said something about it.


Another point is that they beat it with axes and hammers. Assault rifles would be amazing.
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>>2021010
They severely weakened the robot with a trap and by melting it's sensors before that, i agree them using guns will help but they still succeed with regular traps.
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Eating dinner, be done soon
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>>2021022
True but my point is that Chinese assault rifles are entirely sufficient to put Eden on the back foot if in large quantities. So if anything, we'd want to limit how many we give the tribals.
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>>2021072
I disagree, depending on what Riddick tells us the Assault rifles may just equalize the situation.
Let's just wait for QM before arguing about this any further though.
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>>2021084
Agreed. The main point is that this situation is vastly complex and we have a looming time constraint.

We either need to get the base with the particle beam cannon and the storm generator under control before the NCR or unite the tribals and Edenites against the NCR.
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>>2021097
the base is almost certainly Pearl Harbor.

We likely cannot repair the UFO without Edens supplies if not active help.

Riddick wants to help the tribals, but they might not have a lot to offer us.

I am all for brokering a treaty between eden and their ex slaves.

Hell, half of me just wants to unionize all the indentureds and let eden deal with that mess.

however their robotic labor will pick up the slack. The servants are literally expendable.

However capturing Pearl Harbor would send a HUGE cultural message that the Board cannot ignore. We can see to their integration afterward. but for now we need their supplies
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>>2021193
Agreed. If Riddick can get us the needed electronics, between RIG'D's omnitool and our own knowledge we can repair the ship's systems. Seeing as he is leading the tribals, he odd to be able to do that.


Then we just head over, take over that base and then get to work making these different groups not kill eachother and shit.
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>>2021219
ED-E has a bunch of American codes for random crap. He would go a long way to gaining access. Depending on how far away Pearl Harbour is, we could just walk, and it would be easier than scavanging around for UFO pieces.
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>>2021236
It's on another island if I remember rightly so we need a boat / plane or to swim through the highly radioactive waters.

Also, I'm talking about the electronics of hundreds of Eden robots. We odd to find what we need to repair the ship seeing as we did it before with random shit we got from the MLA.
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>>2020882
>side with the shitty tribals against high-tech true Americans
This mentality is why the NCR is beating us

>>2020891
Getting most of them to move would be a good start
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>>2021280
The tribals are just as American as these people. Hawaii was a state before the bombs dropped after all.
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We are not """siding""" with anyone. We ARE the president so we seize control of Eden. If will then USE OUR RIGHTFUL AUTHORITY AS COMMANDER AND CHIEF, to abolish this horrific form of slavery. THE fucking END.
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>>2021326
Yeah, that's the best case scenario. We will force them into Jolly cooperation. Probably need some restitution payments though.
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>>2021280
I mean, it's also the only thing that really differentiates us from the NCR.

Anyway, I feel like there's a middle-ground here where we negotiate between the servants and the Edenists so that both sides come out alright.

It would help to demonstrate that we're highly competent by gaining control of the military base first though.

>>2021326
Sure, but we can soften the blow with promising robot servants aplenty in exchange AND by noting that with contact made (which we'll have to demonstrate they can't undo) they're going to have to make changes anyway.
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>>2021326
That's the best choice.
I don't want the Eden people to get fucked up since we need there tech and fuck helping the tribe.
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>>2021382
Why are so many anons so hostile towards the tribals? of any type?
It's like, fuck them for not wanting to be slaves, they should just take it or it would cause a hassle for us.
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>>2021326
But what do we do to make sure our RIGHTFUL AUTHORITY is not defied?
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>>2021410
Mate if I knew I'd tell you.

>>2021420
By having our nuclear capable scoutship give a demonstration of it's abilities while we deploy a few squads of robots and infantry backed by the local tribals.


Meanwhile we have a squad or two of crimson dragoons from the Chinese sneak inside and take the board hostage or something.
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>>2021430
>while we deploy a few squads of robots and infantry backed by the local tribals.
I'm all in for this but how do we bring in those squads?
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>>2021439
The ship had a teleporter mounted on it which was designed to float. Assuming that Riddick dropped it anywhere but within the storm we can make use of that.


Failing that, we secure the military base and use it's production capacity and energy supply to allow us to construct a portal.
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>>2021410
I don't know why so many anons want to fight for tribals.
You know instead of killing Americans we could talk things out so no fighting happens
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>>2021452
>The ship had a teleporter mounted on it which was designed to float. Assuming that Riddick dropped it anywhere but within the storm we can make use of that.
I though the teleporter was broken?
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>>2021468
That was the one we have in our pip-boy I think.


We'd have no way of knowing before now and OP's said nothing so I assume that it is potentially still usable.
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>>2021454
Well yeah, talking things out is the best outcome, but sometimes it isn't possible and a choice must be made.
Given the choice between supporting a slave state or emancipating American citizens, emancipation is the best path foreward.
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>>2021504
It's a slave state but there are ways to change that. Like showing them our tech or giving them robots in exchange for freeing the people
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>>2021504
It's a slave state out of necessity, not choice. As they said, robots require maintenance - which requires a constant stream of resources.

As, to their credit, these are slaves that voluntarily opted into the system and who can work their way out. It's much much better than the Legion or the MLA.
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>>2021555
They voluntarily opted into the system 200 years ago. Remember, these people are trapped by the debt of their parents, and their parent's parents, etc. And "things could be worse" is a shit excuse used when there is nothing actually positive to say about something.
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>>2020717
"Ships in a bad shape. Gonna need repairs and parts we don't have here."

>>2020749
"My guess is 3 days, 4 maybe. We weren't that far off from Hawaii when we disabled them. My guess is we've got a week, maybe a week and a half left."

>>2020768
"We all got thrown out. I wasn't wearing power armor. Less weight to be flung around. You carry 500 pounds on you at minimum."

>>2020804
"Old fashioned way. We sneak into their base and look for any place they might be hiding."

>>2020815
"I've got a thing against slavers. MLA and the Legion will take time, but here's a place we can get some good work done now.

guess we gotta deal with the NCR first don't we, I-"


Suddenly there are Tribals yelling and a commotion. Sounds of gunfire and engines blaring outside.

Many of the tribals are rushing to armories and running out with weapons.

>Riddick
"Looks like they've found us."

>What do
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>>2021587
We'll have to fight unseen so we aren't witnessed helping the locals, maybe snipe at range with a weapon we can afford to lose.
Also change out of our PA so even if we're spotter we aren't recognized if we are seen, as long as we keep our face covered we should be good.
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>>2021592
Or of course we could just walk outside and order the Eden guys to stop attacking, with Riddick backing us up somewhere unseen in case they don't listen and try to kill us.
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>>2021592
>>2021598
We could wear a mask or something and use a long range gun.
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We need to stop the fighting between the tribals and Eden. There should be no need for continued fighting
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>>2021656
Agreed. I mean how much industrial capacity are they wasting creating these fighting robots? I think it might be intentional: some sort of 1984 situation?
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>>2021656
But keep in mind the Eden might not stop, if you think we should try >>2021598 then i encourage you but keep in mind if they see us and attack us we aren't getting back into Eden without sneaking in.
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>>2021676
We can just walk out and command them to stop sure, but when push comes to shove, we need to decide what side we want to be on.
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>>2021698
tribals. full stop. Eden is just the legion with a civilized veneer.
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>>2021715
ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>2021587
Walk out in full power armor, if we had any distinguishing markings before make sure they're prominent, or try to work with ED-E or whatever we have available to project a hologram.

"If you would be so kind as to momentarily pause, I would be happy to act as a mediator to bring all sides to an agreeable compromise on this situation with minimal bloodshed."
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Rolled 93 (1d100)

>>2021720
Oh, preface with
"This is the Executor Courier."
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>>2021724
The dice didn't like me forgetting, but they appreciated it when I remembered.
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>>2021720
>>2021724
Sure, I support
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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>2021720
>>2021724
support.
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Rolled 49 (1d100)

>>2021720
>>2021724
Roll better
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Rolled 34 (1d100)

>>2021760
Roll Bester
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>>2021724
Oh wait, that title means nothing to anyone here. It's like calling ourselves the Grand Poo-Bah.
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>>2021720
>>2021724
Writing
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>>2021780
We should call ourselves Mr. President since that would have more weight.
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Rolled 14 (1d100)

I wanna roll too!
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>>2021788
Agreed, use the Presidential title.

We'll have to explain our change to 'Executor' later.
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>>2021780
Did you dieded?
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>>2023002
He's probably asleepeded
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>>2023006
Yeah. Was just very excited to read up on the quest and then it all drops off midway through the night.

I just want to fuck up Yaunkers day for once. Just see him understand that he cant have it and that his big plan is up in smoke. Ideally we would do this without him realizing its us but that seems unlikely now.
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Were is everybody and what do you think we should prioritize in the week we have left? Should we secure this island or set up a foothold and just jump to the C&C base? Should we override the local mainframe control so BigMT has full control of everything and just shelve the place until we secure the main goal? Should we gamble that the NCR also has trouble getting into the base? Can we have our satellites take a picture and estimate where the dot of clear is in the storm and how fast it is moving?

Personally I would set up the teleport, kick out/make clear to the Board that we are in control and have BigMT manage things here until we get the base. We should have enough bots on standby to reinforce the local robot numbers and maintain a grip until we can appropriately focus on this island.
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What if the troops aren't here for the tribe, but is here for...
us.
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>>2023219
>They planted something on us or hacked into our pipboy or something to track us
>We led the straight to the tribe's HQ
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>>2023051
You act like Yaunkers has never suffered a defeat before though
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>>2023247
Well, seeing as thus far has been pretty much "Just as planned!" I dont really think so, no. The loss of the Ghost Division surely sped up his plans but he certainly didnt seem overly distraught about it.
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>>2023262
Yaunker is a man that doesn't let defeat stop him. I actually admire him to a certain point actually. I think we've all but admitted that he's another hero like us too
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>>2023271
Unlike the games this quest has a FAR larger population of "player characters" so I definitely agree with you that he is pretty much on-par with us. I also agree that he probably doesnt let something as little as losing a division stop him, even if a special division. However I still believe that he has not had a major setback happen to him. Losing this C&C generals base would be such a setback. Not only does he lose the potential of the facility but he is also unable to fully utilize his existing factories. THIS seems to be like an actual defeat for a man fully on the winning side (if occasionally pyrrhic).
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>>2023308
Losing a fleet and this base would be bad for him, right, and we could cover our ownership of this base by having Eden's flags and shit all over, but if the NCR loses Yaunker, then it's over for them.

If we want to keep the Status quo, then we might need to save him or keep him alive. Either that, or we get ready to lunge on both the NCR and MLA at once

I mean hell, saving him would probably make him loyal to us to a certain extent
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>>2024031
He likely won't die if we just tunr the storm on them. We wouldn't. He would probably just retreat and be forced to call off hawaii invasion.
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>>2024121
What happens if they're right inside the storm when it happens? The fleet would get eaten, unless I'm misunderstanding the situation
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>>2024126
Yeah, but if he's in the shuttle, he should be able to pull back. The fleet would be dead for sure, if we aren't too late.
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>>2024147
What shuttle? I always figured he was just on one of the ships, unless I missed where a shuttle was mentioned
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>>2024155
The federation shuttle? the one that hailed us?
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>>2024031
>Yaunkers
>Loyal to us.

unlikely in the extreme.

As I see it we have three reasonable options for dealing with Eden, and one reasonable option for dealing with the NCR.

>Eden

despite the supposedly binary eden/tribals choice we might be able to have our cake and eat it too.

option 1 Daddy Warbucks is loaded

offer to pay off the ENTIRE debt of every single indentured servant provided the current "criminals" are repatriated as American Citizens and their criminal debts forgiven to pre-criminal levels.

We can acomplish this fairly easily with replicator tech. And it will stupefy the board of directors.

being integrated into a post scarcity society will annihilate their concepts of capitalism in one or two geberations as a glut of resources renders traditional wealth and aquisition meaningless.

>Courier 6, the great emancipator

destroy the army single handedly, sparing human lives where possible. then sneak back into Eden and start an uprising.

kill/imprison the Board

>Get these filthy tribals off my lawn!

Welcome the army in and show these tribals how pointless it is to hold on to land that doesnt want them.

then offer them salvation. A functional portal to the Nursery would be very useful, and Eden would get rid of a problem.

Eden helps because it gets rid of nere do wells, the tribals are grateful to be free of edens bullshit
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>>2024126
>killing Yaunkers

hey you know what we could do?

i mean ive mentioned it before, but never expected to get ti use it.

fire HELIOS through the storm at the Iowa to ionize a path for the worlds biggest LAER
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>>2024182
bonus points for firing from a near horizon arc so the beam passes diagonally through a larger cross section of the storm.
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>>2024176
If push comes to shove, then I would absolutely go with Eden, and we are the sneering imperialist, but these tribals can be tamed and educated and put in our empire. Assuming that we are Mr. President, we can declare that these debts are repaid on the order of the President. Worst case scenario, we give tech or gold we made or something for payment.

As for Yaunker, I didn't mean to say "loyal" exactly, but there would be some air of thankfulness

>>2024182
I mean if the storm doesn't take out the Iowa, then sure, but using HELIOS is just kinda unneeded besides some cool visual and a nice story
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>>2024170
I haven't been able to find one mention of the shuttle, so unless my reading comprehension is unusually shitty, I don't think Yaunker is on the shuttle.
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>>2024201

>>2009691
With a pic of a federation shuttle It hailed us, then Yaunker was on the line.
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>>2024209
Yeah I just found the post. I apologize, but it is pretty easy to miss something in threads like these. So yeah, Yaunker will probably be able to blast away. If he can't, then we're fucked/blessed
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Something is going to keep me busy for the next few days my anons. If I update it will be a few posts in between. I should be back to normal by wednesday.

In the least i'll try to quip in something now and then.
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You attempt to call out to stop the battle.

Unfortunately by now, the fighting is so spread out in this thick jungle you alone aren't able to get either side to stand down. Some of the Tribals you convince to stand down are open fired upon and are forced to return fire. Most of them can't see or hear you, and to you it's just more noise beyond your line of sight. Even your Radio Communications are seemingly ignored.

Up in the air are aircraft, straffing the ground with machine gun fire or rappel dropping figures in black armor, and on the ground tribals fight for their lives against, more often than not, robots.

>Aircraft
"YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR CONTRACT. DROP YOUR WEAPONS OR YOU WILL BE PERMANENTLY TERMINATED"

Tear Gas cannisters are poured from the sky and from mortar fire, further reducing line of sight. You hear men brawling in hand to hand combat, men with Machetes and Metal rebar going up against Riot Shield and Baton wielding bots, uncaring and unflinching.

You manage to approach one.

>Robot
"Attention Citizen! Please return to the Enclosure. This area is unsafe f-"

The Robot is interrupted by a shot to the head that causes a dent, but proceeds to raise its shield to the fire and march on.

>Robot
"Drop your weapons or face severe penalty's"

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The battle continues on despite your efforts, and from the sounds of it its only picking up. You can't prove it, but you get the feeling the Robots and Security Troopers are winning or at least hemming them in.

>What do
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>>2024247
Tell Riddick to lead the tribals in a organized retreat. We ourselves are going to have to try to return to Eden to call off the attack or find the Board of Directors. Perhaps we can stay and keep the army from pursuing.
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>>2024247
So the question comes down to how to stop a fierce battle between two eternal foes, as well as get everyone's attention over gunfire and explosions.

Well, what drowns out an explosion is always a bigger explosion. We should set up some of our fatman shells, as well as some misc explosives as close to the battle as we can, without seriously injuring anyone.

Then the hope would be that everyone would be shocked momentarily at the very large explosion, and would turn towards it, where we would be, power armor and all. The only question is how to get our voice to be heard, but that aircraft with the speakers would be perfect. Is there anyway to take over it's broadcasting system? Or even to hijack the thing?
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>>2024247
QM, what is our tech level for shielding? Almost nonexistent?
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>>2024274
Lets see if we can remote hack the Aircraft through ED-E so we can be heard.
Setting of a mini nuke wouldn't really de-escalate things, I don't think. Both sides would just think the other side just used nukes on them.
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>>2024408
It's more of the fact that a large explosion, or event will tear eyes, even for a second, off the battle. Even if we hack the speakers, that alone probably won't be enough as people are focusing on not dying, and therefore won't be paying too much attention to some speaker
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>>2024271
Supporting this.
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>>2024271
this is the only plan that can succeed.

the robots obey the board.
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>>2024405
Personaly bodily shielding? none. It's all metal baby.

>>2024271
Riddick will organize the defense here. He's certain he will be able to hold out for at least a week, though he'll be doing a lot of the work himself. But holding out and winning are two different things.

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You yourself return to Eden.

You are looking at the Outskirts, and considering how you want to go about this: Publicly as the President, or Privately as the Courier with a Big Iron.

>Demand diplomacy!
>Hush time. Let's adhere to Dandan's Glorious Leader's motto of "power from the barrel of a gun".
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>>2025634
We go sneak. No guns blazing. Use them stealth boys.
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>>2025634
>Demand diplomacy!

Violence can always happen later
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>>2025634
>Demand diplomacy!
Might as well get it out of the way now, so that we can always say I told you so while were killing them later.
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>>2025634
>>Demand diplomacy!
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>>2025634
>Demand diplomacy!
We are the President and the people shall know this.

Every true born son and daughter of America shall be guided by our inspirational leadership.
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>>2025634
>Demand Diplomacy!
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>>2025634
The Board of Directors is no where to be found, even by the Secretaries. However you do find the man in charge of the operation and given authority by the Board.

Eden seems to be meaning business, as you hear the sound of artillery and vehicles rumbling in the distance.

>Chief Security Officer
"Excellent work locating these criminals Mr. President. The Board are currently in an important business meeting, I am currently acting senior officer here."

>You
[A business meeting on the Island?]

>Chief Security Officer
"I don't have that information Sir."

>You
[Riiiiiight. Look, I think it's about time we had a ceasfire]

>Chief Security Officer
"I'm afraid I am not able to do that Mr. President."

>You
[Why not]

>Chief Security Officer
"Strict orders sir. Pursuant to Article 14, Section 32 "Eden Security Forces acting under the civilian corporate jurisdiction are not subject to government or military orders without express confirmation by the Senior Executive Staff, as agreed upon in the Company Charters with permission from the United States Federal Government. Eden is to be an Autonomous Enclave acting in the full faith and confidence on behalf the United States Government subject to its own internal chain of command."

As acting Senior Officer it is my duty to inform you that without a notarized Executive Order from the capital I am forced to adhere to the directives given to me by the Board unless directed otherwise.

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If there are any positive traits the Legion and the MLA have over anyone else, its that they do not engage in bureaucracy.

>what do/say?
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>>2025850
Any chance we can have our computers magick up one such document and "fax" it over? Also, is EDE nearby? Can he, or we, detect any communications between the military and some CIC?
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>>2025850
Jesus christ.

Im tempted to just tell him that hes refusing a direct verbal order from the president and either strong arming our way through, or start helping riddick shoot their bots until they run out.
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>>2025852
Apparently they do have this "Fax" machine, a device able to scan paper and print it somewhere else.

Unfortunately BigMT does not have this technology, and it'd take time to develop it.

>Klein
"A 'fax' machine. What a remarkable concept. I'm sure I must have thought of it at one point but never acted on the idea."
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>>2025862
They can just send the file. I meant for them to make up such a document and send it to them so we can sign it or whatever. Point is, we have two supercomputers and a room full of brains. Surely we can make up a such document and fight fire with fire, even if it only gets us a meeting with the board, which is what we want anyway. Besides, the tribals are a non-issue. The NCR fleet is the problem we need to deal with.
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>>2025869
Except they likely don't accept PDFs or electronic files. Fax Only.
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>>2025869
No one is actually sure what an Executive Order looks like. Also, even presuming you could find a way to print it here, it still needs to go through to the Board First.
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>>2025874
Just as you can digitally sign your documents we can make up some bullshit security measure to fake them out enough to take us to the board. Even if it doesnt make the soldiers stand down we can strongarm the board into it and probably connect the systems to BigMT from their CIC.
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>>2025850
Do the Words Emminent Domain mean anything to you?
As an executive order from the head of state, I am seizing all land located half a kilometer or more from the walls of Eden for public use. Eden will compensated fairly as determined by the market value of the land. As such, you are now operating on Federal soil, outside of your jurisdiction.
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>>2025875
Yes, it is meant to bluff us through the meathead into a meeting with the board. Presumably he doesnt know about it too, seeing as it has been 200 years since the last decree. We just need something showy enough so he can take us to the Board and we can Diplomacy™ the shit out of them and, if all else fails, force them to surrender and institute our own board through the use of a portal, some securitrons and some like-minded citizens.

Point is to get us to the Board, since we can do very little in the jungle.
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>>2025878
Nice
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>>2025885
Is that good? Does that action fix everything?
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>>2025886
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If we go by Muh Law then yes, should fix everything. It should at least stun them enough so we can meet the Board.
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>>2025878
Supporting.
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>>2025878
The man pauses for a bit, as if he were thinking. Or perhaps reading something on his visor.

"Pursuant to Annotation 14 of the Fifth Ammendment of the United States Constition. 'Whenever lands in a State are needed for a public purpose, Congress may authorize that they be taken, either by proceedings in the courts of the State, with its consent, or by proceedings in the courts of the United States, with or without any consent or concurrent act of the State'

Do you have congressional authorization with you sir?

Furthermore, I would like to inform you that you have no feasible way of compensating Eden Corporation for the value of its property. We detected the destruction of the Treasury Building very early on in the war, and according to our records we control more than 99.99% of the American GDP as of now."
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>>2025878
Great thing we got so far
supporting
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Wait, did the Enclave ever make an official law about non-pure humans not having human rights? Cause if they did we can pull that law out and demand they, and the Board of Directors, cease everything and follow our demands until our doctors, AND OUR DOCTORS ONLY, confirm they are genetically pure and count as citizens of America.
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>>2025896
How much money is 99.99% GDP and how much of that money is worth in gold or oil?
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>>2025896
Since the proclamation of a State of Emergency and the loss of Congress all executive power has been bestowed upon the office of President. This means, soldier, that as of this moment you are directly violating a US decree and may be charged with treason. Furthermore, since the breakdown of communications you are obviously misinformed as to the state of the continent. While it is true the US is far from whole you are most assuredly not in control of the GDP. Judging by both the quality and quantity of assets at your disposal I wager you are barely getting by. Whereas we are rebuilding the nation. Once I have my Device set up these boons will also be bestowed upon the people here. Whether or not you decide to commit treason here is your choice, Officer.
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>>2025901
"22 Quadrillion Dollars. Based on current market forces, that is more Gold or Oil than have or ever will be in existence. Furthermore, we doubt you have any Gold considering the Treasury authorized the official transfer of the entire Gold Repository from Ft. Knox to Eden."

>>2025905
"Mr. President, by your word, we received the official All Clear signal indicating an end of the State of Emergency and a resumption of Peace Time."
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>>2025915
Forgot name. By the way thats not a typo, that's Fallout US Dollars.
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>>2025915
>that is more Gold or Oil than have or ever will be in existence
Incorrect, i can deliver the amount of gold and/or oil.
Can we ask our Enclave Doctor if they ever made an official law removing Unpure humans their rights?
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>>2025915
These people make me want to shoot them.
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>>2025919
>Dr Bradley
"It was sort of implicit that the Constitution only applied to those deemed humans. I think President Richardson Sr. wrote it into law, but all of that went up with the Oil Rig."

>CEO(ZAX)
"Hmm, according to their 'Market Forces', which is essentially an archive of the Pre-War economy, we would need to replicate an amount of Gold larger than 10 Hawaii's. Or an amount of Oil as large as the Indian Ocean. I don't think we can afford that. . ."
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>>2025922
>It was sort of implicit that the Constitution only applied to those deemed humans. I think President Richardson Sr. wrote it into law, but all of that went up with the Oil Rig.
Can anyone at least recall the name of said law?
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>>2025915
>"Mr. President, by your word, we received the official All Clear signal indicating an end of the State of Emergency and a resumption of Peace Time."
Ask Dr Bradley exactly what the all clear signal meant.

Was it a confirmation that the war and therefore martial law was over?
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>ZAX(CEO)
"Sir, coming from a Super Computer programmed designed to be the best at haggling and corporate deal making, in my opinion these people are clearly trying to stall you and will only continue to use the leverage of the Old World economy to their advantage. This may not be the most fruitful approach."
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>>2025934
>Dr Bradley
"Might have been what they were told by this General Alexander."
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>>2025934
Also, does the all clear code only count for the American Chinese war? There are other wars that have started after all.
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>>2025915
This "All Clear" is to identify friendly assets and IDs. This does NOT in fact mean there is no longer a crisis in progress, or have you not noticed the glowing sea and storm outside? (If need be, declare another SoE)

Furthermore, the current currency of the US has changed. Due to this, your calculations, though still erroneos and based on your company, not the US at large, are illegitimate. We will have our analysts take stock and determine the right price. The gold you have you may keep. (seems ok? Native US people please advise)

The US can seize property without paying (although it seems this is also not that necessary) if it is plausiby connected to a crime. Perhaps we can prosecute them because of tax evasion? Seize the whole thing? In any case, do any native US peeps know of any way to demand to see somebody? Maybe declare some crime?
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>>2025935
Any way our ZAX AI know of that we can reliably force them to meet us (the board)?
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>>2025937
Excellent then.

The All Clear signal relates to a transfer from martial law back to civilian law.

As President, I have since declared a State of Emergency via Executive Order. Until the Restoration of the Union and the Recomstruction of America is complete; and given the destruction of the two other pillars of government - governmental policy and power is vested in the office of the President. This empowers me to take control of lands in the interest of national security using Emminent Domain.

>we doubt you have any Gold considering the Treasury authorized the official transfer of the entire Gold Repository from Ft. Knox to Eden.
The gold was held in trust by Eden until the All Clear signal was given. It is now the property of the Federal government.

Additional, as per Executive Order, all private lands across the continental United States have reverted back to Federal control unless a clear deed of ownership can be provided by a living descent or corporate body.

As such, the government could lease or sell land containing resources to the constituent bodies of Eden as payment for the land of this island.
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>>2025915
>22 Quadrillion Dollars. Based on current market forces
Also, what are these current market forces?

How are they pricing oil or gold? They have no external trading partners?

If they are creating their own internal prices, so can we.

A C0NSTRUCT0R is worth 500 billion USD, according to mainland market forces; etc etc
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>>2025941
>ZAX(MAJOR)
"Talk!

Talk is for copulators. Kill em all and let God sort em out I say! Just build a portal and let me send one Tankitron through or a few good Assaultrons. . ."

>>2025945
"Hmmm. Where is your Eminent Domain Notice? Per Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 71.1 we must have a notice of Condemntation before we can proceed with transfers."

>>2025941
"I'm afraid I can't accept that gross appraisal sir. Our archives were backed and notorized by the Federal Reserve, which as you remember, is an independent autonomous organization acting in the full faith and confidence of the United States government. Per the Eden Protocol 34.1, we were not to accept any audits, changes, or infrigments of the national economic archives or substitutions of the Dollar until the fruition of the Eden Protocl in its entirety. This given by a Federal Reserve order."
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>>2025951
>CEO(ZAX)
"Unfortunately these numbers all check out and aren't made up at all. They match precisely with my own data-banks on the US economy just immediately before the war.

In essence they've taken the entire economy, frozen it in place, and hold it in their palms."
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>>2025956
May i ask something Officer? Are you or any of your officers capable of stopping an elephant charge with you bear hands?
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>>2025958
All they've been doing is stalling since we got here. We've tried talking. I'm voting we work on fixing the portal and Spi and Major have their way with them.
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>>2025961
I'm voting for killing the officer and sneaking through Eden to look for the Board, cause i'm pretty sure we don't have the materials or energy to use the teleporter.
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>>2025962
Fair point,
>>2025958
qm what do we need to fix the teleporter?
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>>2025960
Made a mistake.
*Are you or any of your forces.
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>>2025966
Fine electronic parts. You suspect they have a facility that can make that here somewhere.

oh and the UFO itself.
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>>2025956
>"Hmmm. Where is your Eminent Domain Notice? Per Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 71.1 we must have a notice of Condemntation before we can proceed with transfers."
A subset of the State of Emergency relating to the maintaince of National Security states that the rules and procedures governing Eminent Domain have been suspended, in cases relating to lands seen as critical for the Reconstruction effort. Lands which fall within this criteria are to be determined by the Executive Branch.

>>2025958
ZAX, two questions.

1. Given that Eden is using pre-war economic date, surely the destruction caused by the war and the 200+ years of neglect would cause a significant drop in the original value, correct?

2. What is the Commonwealth's current GDP, taking into account our signature technological IP and the scarcity of metal and other resources on the mainland. Please then adjust this by 5 years and assume that with our technogical efforts which will be complete and widespread in our society (teleportation, human life extension, platinum chip) and make the assumption that the PC will have incoprated the entire Mojave Legion lands and citizenry.
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>>2025962
No, don't do this.

I've given it my last attempt. Otherwise, let's just ask him where a factory is so we can get materials to fix the teleporter.
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>>2025971
What last attempt, and why should we ignore them clearly stalling for time to enact something that will obviously be a thorn on our side later?
Hell remember Riddick told us to help the tribals, ignoring him and the war will only piss him off and he'll refuse to come with us.
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>>2025969
Do we need to repair the ufo for the portal to work or just the parts. Worst case can we repair the portal now and use the big mt connection to get the parts to fix the ufo?
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>>2025970
>ZAX(CEO)
"Most of these Corporations sold off their assets just before the war and put them into pure cash. Furthermore, their calculation takes into account the complete annihilation of the rest of the United States."

>Zax(RIG'D)
"In laymans terms, they took a ton of money and since everywhere else is ash and rubble, they claim they hold all the money"

>Ceo(ZAX)
"And, if we pretend the legal and economic systems of the Old World mean anything, they are correct. It's financially and legally solid."

>2. What is the Commonwealth's current GDP, taking into account our signature technological IP and the scarcity of metal and other resources on the mainland. Please then adjust this by 5 years and assume that with our technogical efforts which will be complete and widespread in our society (teleportation, human life extension, platinum chip) and make the assumption that the PC will have incoprated the entire Mojave Legion lands and citizenry.

>CEO(ZAX)
"Do you mean BigMT? Trying to guage our current value into Old World money becomes a a non-sensical question without a standard by which to guage it, but the only standards left to translate into Old World money are those in Eden which doesn't help our cause."
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>>2025980
Enough, ZAX told us the Board is stalling so let's just ask >>2025960 and then move on the bloodbath.
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>>2025973
The big ass post above, changed to wi-fi so diff ID.

A great way to lose our position as President would be to start murdering random soldiers.

I do support leaving the guy to sneak into restricted sections to look for the Board.

>>2025980
Well dam.

What did the guy say about the first point?
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>>2025983
Alright alright, we won't start the killing, but at least support asking the Elephant question in case it might give us important information about what we might encounter while looking for the Board.
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>>2025983
>1. Given that Eden is using pre-war economic date, surely the destruction caused by the war and the 200+ years of neglect would cause a significant drop in the original value, correct?
see
>"In laymans terms, they took a ton of money and since everywhere else is ash and rubble, they claim they hold all the money"

Basically they claim they are the GDP, because America has been annihilated and they are the only active companies with any money and function left. And technically speaking they're right.

There was House but House is currently buried under a mountain of Marble and Legoinaires.
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>>2025988
Ok, screw it. Let Riddick hold the line and lets fuck off and steal some teleporter parts (I assume they arent giving those to us). Once that is done send a tankitron and an assload of stealth assaultrons and just find the fucking board and strongarm the assholes. Evidently they wont accept anything less.
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>>2025991
Don't do that, go search for the Board before they do whatever they are stalling for.
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>>2025988
No, I meant about his request for a Eminent Domain Notice.

I guess it's academic, doubt it'll work.

Stealth time.
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>>2025993
If we can, sure. If not, time to call in the cavalry. And not some pansy diplo force. Just dome killbots and beeline for their ass.
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>>2025993
Sorry, nevermind my post, kinda agitated right now.
Should we repair the teleporter first or go straight for the Board.
Actually, How long would it take to get the parts from Eden and how long would it take to repair the teleporter with said parts QM? Would we still need a power source too?
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>>2025994
Ah. Well, then he'd ask for a copy of this Executive Order. It'd be interesting to read certainly.

They have a team of Lawyers who are prepared to read and process it for verification once you can provide it.
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>>2026000
Stealth, try to find the board if we can, if not, steal portal parts and call in robots.
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>>2026002
This
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Rolled 72 (1d100)

>>2026002
rolling ahead of time
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Going to pass out now, will try to respond tomorrow night.
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>>2026000
Note to self, add 'creating detailed Executive Orders which support our dictatorial State of Emergency' to the Hero actions list

>>2026002
Supporting
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>>2026007
When you get back, this >>2026002 already has three votes so we can smoothly move along.
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well they are a corporate paradise, it was only logical they would resort to these measures.

it should however be noted that these asshokes have built legal castles on top of quicksand.

the thirteenth amendment to the constitution specifically states

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

to which they will respond that the criminals are of course criminals.
but, those criminals likely havent been convicted in a court of law, or if they have they have been convicted in absentia. Therefore this was is a blatant violation of their right to due process. you cannot try someone in absentia in America. they have a right to fair representation under the law which includes the right to face their accuser and the right to trial by jury.

also by their own admission they place these restrictions on newborn children and carry debt over from one generation to the next.

both of which have shakey legal precedent.

In short they are violating a metric fuckton of laws at the federal and constitutional level. Indentured servitude itself is illegal per the 13th amendment, and case law has consistently affirmed this despite NUMEROUS attempts by state legislatures to find a way around it.

hell their own library likely contains all the relevant laws in its legal section as well as a copy of the constitution.

We need someone to get over here and begin wrangling the legalese while we attend ti more important matters.
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>>2026081
Not to mention, we can just print a 25 quadrillion dollar bill if we want to, and they have to accept it as its legal tender.

Also when has the person being emminent domained ever been the one to determine the value of the land?

Seeing as how the land is undeveloped, filled with who knows what dangerous plants, animals and diseases, and apparently has a crime rate of 100%, its value would be nowhere near what they say it is.
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>>2026083
Eh eminent domain laws clearly state that the government has to pay a “fair market value”.

And at present the only ways to determine what that fair market value are belong to Eden.

Regardless of that, using eminent domain in that fashion doesn’t really hold up legally. And even if it did it would take years on end to sort out in courts.

You misunderstand the situation. Eden doesn’t care about the land, they care about the “criminals” who are likely engaged in terrorist activities trying to undermine the slavery system.

Eminent domain won’t solve that issue unless you claim the criminals are human chattel and that the government owns them.

Which would legitimize their bullshit slavery system.

Also, if I am reading this correctly, we cannot issue money since the Federal Reserve transfered the economy wholesale over to Eden.

If we want to do this legally we need to elect a congress, appoint a Supreme Court, find copies of the Enclaves agreements with Eden, and fulfill the requirements for reunification. Meanwhile we need to build a human trafficking case against the Board.

Alternatively we can get in contact with the no doubt sizable abolitionist movement.

Or tell Eden we won’t be rocking the boat right now, and deal with it later.
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>>2026088
Fair market value is how much someone would reasonably pay for the land. I doubt anyone in Eden would pay to buy the land outside of the fences.
While the GDP is located entirely with Eden, they have also concentrated it within their fences- 99.9999% of buisness takes place using and on land we would not be taking control off. As such, fair market value would be substantially less than total GDP times percent of land being eminent domained.
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>>2026081
it is especially important to note that the US constitution is the "highest law of the land" it supercedes ALL other legislation, deals, agreements, and laws.

our most ideal solution would be to appoint a Supreme Court in order to declare Indentured Servitude unconstitutional. Which of course it is.

Even better if we appoint one or several Edenites. (there literally HAVE to be some abolitionists)
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>>2026098
That estimate was made by me thinking you wanted to claim the whole island.

Also the value of the Jungle is still ludicrously expensive, evidently high valued by actual Real Estate Agents as "potentially developable property", whose value is also increased by bidding among different companies. Whether they actually are bidding amongs themselves because they want the land when the servants are returned, or to inflate its price, is unknown.
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>>2026099
Technically, it could be argued it is constitutional. The thirteenth allows slavery in the form of punishment, and the supreme court has never declared debtors prisons to be unconstitutional. Add in the fact some debt can be forcibly inherited and that you can be imprisoned for not paying fines, leaves what Eden is doing in a place where they are very much violating the spirit, but not the letter of the law.
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>>2026108
Has the land ever been exchanged? Or is it just bids that never end up happening?
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>>2026118
ah, but your skipping over some vital facts.

in order to be placed in this situation the criminal must be tried and found guilty under American law. Therefore they are afforded all the benefits and rights of an american citizen. Namely they are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, they have the right to a fair and speedy trial before a court of their peers, and they absolutely must be appraised of these rights.

the current "police" action is wildly illegal since the accused have never been given fair trial and no attempt has been made to arrest them aside from a bullshit announcement.

And even if the Criminals have been tried fairly, the basic presmise is STILL unconstitutional because their forebears were not guilty of any crimes when the system was established. If this were a "work for hire" free market system that just happened to be ludicrously unfair thats one thing, but its not. they have criminalized leaving your job, which makes it slavery by definition both actual AND legal. contract or no, willing or not, you CANNOT force someone to work a job they dont want.

you can assess then fines for breach of contract, you can imprison them for failure to pay, you can even make them work once you have imprisoned them.

But you cant make them endentured servants. Ever. Even if they agree to the arrangement it is still illegal.

specifically called out-

"Under Article 4 of the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights (No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms).

In the united states under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 ban it."

Indentured servitude is specifically and explicitly against the law.

further the concept of a "volunteer slave contract" is self defeating. Free will is considered an inalienable right in both the moral and legal sense. Especially where it concerns the concept of consent.

This contract they have with their slaves is wholly illegal from the get go in constitutional, federal, and international law.
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>>2026118
further it is generally not the case that you will inherit your parent's debts unless you cosign a contract of some kind with them.

having a newborn be born into a legal arrangement is MASSIVELY illegal on every front.

And while your parents can make decisions for you while you are a minor you yourself cannot enter into any form of contract.

Further still the option of bankruptcy exists, and denying an individual that right is ALSO illegal.

this agreement wouldnt last ten seconds in any kind of legitimate court.
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>>2026174
>>2026186
However, much of your arguments are based upon rulings and laws that Eden may not feel obligated to follow. As an autonomous, self governing enclave, they likely see themselves as only ruled by the Constitution and themselves. So laws and rulings not based on constitutional legality would not be followed.

Under the constitution, the criminals are obliged a "speedy and public" trial and likely are- a kangaroo court where they enter, are ruled guilty and punished.

Also, filial responsibility laws mean that a child can be forced to pay for the care of the parent- since Eden provides the care, they can set the price, so children can be entrapped to pay for the massively inflated health care their parents are unable to refuse.

However the entire system of inherited debt leaves some holes that can be exploited- it seems as if a child with living parents has no legal obligation to work as an indentured servent- what happens to them?
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>>2026204
that argument presents a catch 22.

is the parent working to pay off their debt, or is the corporate state paying for their upkeep? you cant have it both ways.

also Steele explicitly stated that children are born into debt.

unless this applies equally to everyone its illegal. specifically if services are super cheap for rich people, but crippling for indentured servants its a type of fraud.

possible solutions.

declare an IRS audit of their accounts and freeze their economy.

if everyone is subject to the same debts then doing so would immediately place every citizen including the Board into servitude almost immediately.

Fuck their police force hard.

Have BigMt fire the HELIOS into the robotic portion of the invading police force.

stop fighting.

have the criminals lay down their arms and surrender. they have to provide juries, prosecutors, public defenders, etc. etc.

it will break their entire system of governance. unless they want to cheat and then we have a legal pretext to fuck them all.

cut the gordian knot.

pistol whip this asshole and fight our way to the Board.
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>>2026223
I was thinking sue them for back taxes. It seems they have a GDP in the quadrillions. Take a cut if that and lets see how fast that number shrinks
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>>2026236
An IRS audit is essentially the same thing.

There is no way in hell the Prewar government waived their corporate and individual taxes.

Cuz, yknow... death and taxes.

We should have ED-E scan the legal and tax code sections of their library, upload them to BigMT and have CEO create the relevant agency to deal with this.

In the mean time we can acquire fine electronic components the easy way, by buying them.
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>>2026240
Not so sure they are willing to sell, unless we can take it "on credit" and even then it may be a case of "Mediterraneans worth of oil plz".
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>>2026289
whats there to do?

your telling me they dont have a radioshack equivalent? with all these bored rich assholes running around?

someone, somewhere has a robotics hobby that requires ultra fine electronics.

if they happen to be a fun, somewhat influential heiress with a passion for science so much the better!
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Tbh at this point I say we just strong arm these hook nosed fucks into submission then rename Eden into neo-Auschwitz and give these filthy rich cunts a good shower
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>>2026295
Nah, no need for the general populace to "get clean". Just strongarm the Board to bend over and connect the local mainframe to BigMT and we are set for Anschluss.

>>2026293
I dont mean that they cant, surely they could. I mean that the Board may not allow them to or they themselves dont want to.
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>>2026302
Capitalism my good man, everything is for sale.

And defying the stuffy establishment? That’s practically what being young is all about.

Besides, we need to check out their robotics anyway.
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At this point, I say we need to get the pre-war base under our control. We don't have the firepower or numbers to tackle either side and we lack the information needed to find and eliminate / detain the board of directors.

If we are smart we can jury-rig the scoutship to work. Maybe not well but just long enough to get to the base. From there, on foot, with ED-E we can work to secure the place and get it's shit working.
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>>2026357
yeah, but you have to wonder what the Board is stalling for.

still priorities are priorities, and Pearl Harbor comes first.

itd be nice to get the portal up and running to the nursery though ao the tribals can escape with Riddick
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>>2026325
>defying the stuffy establishment
Such treason will not be tolerated how can the German ... er I mean American people rise from the ashes and reach greatness when these shifty beady eyed Kikes are actively betraying the Fatherland
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>>2026396
>yeah, but you have to wonder what the Board is stalling for.
The NCR? To defeat the tribals? Whatever it is, I don't think we'll like it.

>still priorities are priorities, and Pearl Harbor comes first.
Agreed. We need it. No matter who we side with or even if we can get a peaceful resolution.

>itd be nice to get the portal up and running to the nursery though ao the tribals can escape with Riddick
That would also work as a solution but the Eden-ite's wouldn't like it.

Honestly if we can get the portal up and running, we can send through a Chinese infiltration team with explosives or something to their water treatment or power plant. Threaten detonation unless they surrender.
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>>2026467
The edenites are planning on murdering them.

They don’t give a shit as long as the filthy tribals get off their land and stop fomenting rebellion
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>>2026605
Actually they want to enslave them since they consider them in debt to the Eden-state.
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>>2026204
Indentured servitude in service to a debt is 100% illegal under US law pre Fallout divergence

The Peonage Abolition Act of 1867 was an Act passed by Congress on March 2, 1867, that abolished peonage in the New Mexico Territory and elsewhere in the United States. Designed to help enforce the Thirteenth Amendment, the act declares that holding any person to service or labor under the peonage system is unlawful and forever prohibited. It defines peonage as the "voluntary or involuntary service or labor of any persons . . . in liquidation of any debt or obligation." Violations were punishable by fines and imprisonment.

Peonage was just the Spanish term for indentured servitude.

So what they're doing is 100% illegal
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>>2026792
They'd argue that the pre-war government gave them permission.


Personally, I think we could probably get around this whole issue if we can get the nearby military base under control and a teleporter set up. We can bring military assets through, set up production and repair defences before transferring the tribal population across to the other Hawaiian islands and other such places.

It ensures we are ready for the NCR, that we have the ability to produce and reinforce additional units and that we aren't relying on Eden.


Fact is that with the particle cannon system of the Hawaiian base along with it's storm control and so on, not to mention our nuclear-plasma charge, we can hold the Eden state at gun point until they surrender. While deploying covert assets to disable power generation, military systems and so on until they are entirely disabled, followed by a direct military assault, or they surrender.
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>>2026821
>Eden state at gun point
do we really want this though?
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>>2026925
Ideally not, but if they don't want to cooperate with us?
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>>2026938
>but if they don't want to cooperate with us?
then we have the gun pointed at the head of the universe. I am guessing that they are in fierce debate over our authority and if they want to follow it.
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>>2026925
It might not be as blatant as what I am describing but my main point is that if we can threaten them militarily and generally show that they aren't unassailable and shit, they'll cave much easier.


Fact: if we have a major presence on the Hawaiian islands that could destroy or conquer them, they'll be more willing to respond to our demands and we will be able to enforce demands.

Fact: we need this base either way and securing it sooner means we can more easily reestablish communication with Big mt, deal with the NCR, send over construction teams for repairs and shit.

Fact: the additional resource harvesting capacity of the base will enable the Eden-folk to construct additional robots without issue (they rely on recycling so if we supply more shit they might be able to produce more?) which could reduce their reliance on indentured slaves, while we trade the resources for slaves.
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>>2026925
We're asking to end their special status and resume being part of the Federal government. They will of course resist this.

We can't bring economic pressure to bear and the legal route seems very complicated (but doable), so the threat of military force seems like the only short-term path.

This does however undermine our legitimacy as the rightful President, and adds legitimacy to the NCR.

If authority is derived through force of arms and not the law, the NCR has an advantage on us.

I agree that our short term goal should be the military base. Then we can open up a portal and wreck the NCR's fleet.

Simultaneously, we should scan all the legal documents we can in their library and have Bradley and the ZAX form a strong legal argument for us to take control of Eden directly.
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>>2026952
Forgot for the final point: "...and then free them as citizens".
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>>2026956
After the Hawaii trip, it might not hurt to go to DC and see if we can get any documents pertaining to the old world, or any relics.
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>>2026961
Well I think the bill of rights / declaration of independence was a thing in a quest in FO 3.
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>>2026961
Yeah I agree.

It would finally provide an IC reason to go East beyond 'expiration'
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>>2026961
>After the Hawaii trip, it might not hurt to go to DC and see if we can get any documents pertaining to the old world, or any relics.
We really just need copies though, and I assume Eden would have everything of that sort. Digital copies of the Constitution and bill of rights and old world law books, and such.
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>>2026966
Well that and Curie, but mostly that bill of rights stuff

>>2026965
Yeah It was, so tracking down that stuff shouldn't prove too hard hopefully
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>>2027000
Well having the real copies would add some sort of legitimacy, a lot more than a copy
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So guys, hear me out.

Maybe we /SHOULD/ go about this violently.

Eden has been shielded from the rest of the world since the bombs dropped. The stiffest competition they've had is their escaped slaves. Despite their advanced technology, I doubt they've had the chance to acquire any actual combat experience.

All of our civ members are recommending going loud to show these guys who's boss. Let's do it.

Also, Eden will be extremely sympathetic towards the NCR. If we don't subjugate them now then we won't have the chance later. That's really the most important part.

So let's get our UFO and teleporter back here, repaired, and powered...then show them who's the fucking boss around here.
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>>2027020
Who is "All of our civ members?" It's mostly just MAJOR and Bradley,, who is a war intelligence and a high ranking figure in a military Dictatorship.

Right now, if negotiating a peaceful resolution is still on the table, then it's the best option to see how far we can take it. Of course we will want to set up a presence in the military base, but Going in guns blazing is not something the situation demands.
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>>2027020
>Maybe we /SHOULD/ go about this violently.
I wanted to stop reading there but I kept on. I was expecting something that surprised me. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but your whole argument relies on the fact that our civ members are suggesting we go loud, but they are not the leaders of this nation that have to deal with the messy parts of rebuilding and winning hearts and minds. Besides, only MAJOR and Bradley has suggested it so far, hardly "all"

The other part of your argument was that "it's easy so let's do it" which falls by itself because just because it's easy doesn't mean we should do it.

I'm not gonna even acknowledge when you said that they are gonna be more sympathetic to the NCR because that doesn't make sense
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>>2027039
Well they likely will be more sympathetic with the NCR- Their values align pretty well, with the whole "fuck tribals" mentality that we don't want to foster.
However, that doesn't matter if we prevent the NCR from reaching the island at all by heading to Pearl Harbour ASAP.
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>>2027035
And Riddick. Also I really don't see a peaceful resolution happening here. They're going to stonewall us, then the NCR is going to arrive, then they're going to side with the NCR and we'll really be fucked.

>>2027039
>Not wanting to test our military might and take their sweet technology (and prevent it falling into the NCR's hands) by force.

It's a legitimate lose condition if these guys make contact with the NCR. They'll supply their war effort and then everything back home will be 10,000 times more difficult.
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>>2027069
>It's a legitimate lose condition if these guys make contact with the NCR. They'll supply their war effort and then everything back home will be 10,000 times more difficult.
Why? Because the NCR and Eden hate tribals? Eden has already sworn loyalty to the government, not the fake government calling themselves the New California Republic. They are about the same as rebels
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>>2027069
Well, then we just have to stop them from getting in contact with the NCR. By going to Pearl Harbour and hitting them with the storm.
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>>2027122
While I hope that their word is binding, I will feel much better once we have our own military forces on these islands.

Should we let them keep some of their autonomy to compensate for the long distance, like the Chinese?
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>>2027142
They will send a few representatives to out future congress, as well as elect a governor, like the old world. As long as they follow federal laws, pay taxes and pledge loyalty, they can do whatever they want
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>>2027150
Well, they also have to stop with the slave shit.
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Look, we are all in agreement that we really, really, REALLY need to get the Pearl harbour base under our control. Okay?

Once we've done that we can figure out our overall plan but for now can we just focus on getting our ship flying, the base secured and the human sized teleporter either set up or another built if we've lost the last one.


Then we can argue about settling this peacefully, militarily or even just maintaining a stand-off here while we get ready for a surgical strike against the board of directors.
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>>2027157
Oh yeah that shit too. It's gonna be such a cool speech. We'll have everyone in Eden in one place and give a rousing and inspirational speech.
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>>2027169
Sure I agree with that. In fact, showing military power might be what tips Eden to our side.
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>>2027187
That is essentially my hope. Either they realise that we are actually strong and they should support us, or we give a practical demonstration until they do.
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>>2027191
I mean I would really like to resolve this without violence, but sometimes firing a couple of rockets into the ground makes people whistle your tune
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>>2027206
Yeah. I mean america nuked the japs and they stopped being cunts. I might not like it in principle but to be honest, if it's a choice between destroying a few of their fancy fucking mansions or losing a few dozen of our soldiers in fighting them along with god knows how much else? Let them live in tents under our rule.
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>>2027211
Post war-Japan did involve the US sending a lot of money for rebuilding, which went quite a ways when making them not cunts. Just setting off some bombs makes the problem elements scurry away and hide somewhere. It takes a focused social effort to enact real change.
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>>2027258
True but we can enact change. We just need to be in control first.
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>>2026821
the government cannot give you permission to break the law, at least not in the sense we are talking about here.

the peonage law is the one i need ed to refrence but couldnt remember. but even without it many elements of their system violate numerous American laws.

including but not limited to child labor laws, human trafficking, fraud, and usury.

most damning of all their system directly violates the 13th amendment making their actions unconstitutional.

it doesnt void their contract, but their behavior cant be protected by it because the constitution is a higher law.
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>>2027122
You know how the NCR is mostly restricted by their technological level right now? ZAXs made out of vacuum tubes, refurbishing old-world infrastructure, WWII-tier tanks?

Yes, well what if they were amicable trading partners with a state that was more advanced than us in a few ways instead of being limited like that?
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>>2027446
>amicable trading partners
they wouldn't under our rule though
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>>2027446
NCR won't be getting to Hawaii if we have anything to say about it. then we can handle the tribal vs Eden problem without worrying about outside interference.
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Rolled 51, 50, 6 + 10 = 117 (3d100 + 10)

>>2026002
Roll me 3 1d100s!
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>>2027558
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>>2027558
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>>2027558
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>>2027558

>>2027571
>QM rolls a 16,
>you roll a 5.
REEEEEEEEEEE
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Rolled 69, 57, 98 = 224 (3d100)

Testing something. I have the rolls I need form you anons just checking something unrelated.
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>>2027627
>98
>Unrelated
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>>2027627
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY IS QM'S ROLLS SO FUCKING GOOD ALL OF THE FUCKING TIME I FLUBBING H8 THIS RAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH
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Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>2027627
>I have the rolls I need form you anons
no you don't.....
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>>2027627
nat hundo.
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>>2027627
Do you...
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Rolled 59 (1d100)

>>2027627
what if i love my roll extra much? can it be a real roll then?
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Rolled 2 (1d100)

>>2027627
Desperate rolls for desperate times.
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>>2027627
Testing something
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>>2027627
Forgot to roll
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>>2027627
Misplaced my nat 100
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>>2027627
Just gonna leave this here
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>>2027627
Oh no! My nat100 ran away
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>>2027627
The average and median value of the heap of rolls inked to this post are 29,2 and 21,5 respectively. With a sample size of 10 this is fucking ridiculous. How can our rolls be THIS bad?? This problem is compounded by QM reliably hitting high numbers. WTF is this shit?
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Rolled 15 (1d100)

>>2027961
I blame skeletons
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>>2027961
Yuuup
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>>2027969
So THATS why they seem so merry in their corner. Doot doot asshole
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>>2027961
Test
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>>2028015
I cry
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Truth
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>>2028025
Njaaaaa
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>>2027627
Wait, what if these rolls are for the tribals and Riddick?
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>>2028027
>Not Yaunker sailing on his shuttle on top of the Iowa on top of a giant rad-whale on top of a tidal wave into the Hawaii base and directly next to the Particle ray button with our coordinates already pre-loaded.
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>>2028028
Nah man. He would have needed a 99 for that!
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>>2027562
You have to give them credit. These anti-stealth defenses are excellent. In many ways they resemble your own at BigMT though in other ways they are more, or less, sophisticated. The creme of the Old World anti-stealth field technology.

Not since the NCR have you had to actually be on your toes while investigating

But you are the Courier.

It takes, unfortunately, several days to do it but you do find the Board in an meeting room behind incredulously elaborate defenses. And just in time, seems they are having a meeting.

"Hmph. 200 years later and we are still dealing with bullheaded politicians. Father was right."

"They have a battleship and a fleet, we lack the military technology to effectively counter them."

"An abolitionist president of a new industrially sufficient nation. What a fucking waste."

"I don't understand it. He's against us owning servants if they aren't tribals, but does not mind if they are tribals?"

"Could we just pretend all our servants are tribals? A lot of them are"

"And too many of them aren't. Tribal labour is the most unskilled anyway. Lower level jobs like dancing, trash cleanup, and massage parlour. Though even those are better carried out by the more intelligent servants."

"They aren't even coming for us. . .yet. Pearl Harbor is their first goal"

"Pearl Harbor has never been breached. Certainly we've tried. Its defenses will hold."

"The storm has never been breached too. And they managed to bring ships through it. If they can do that. . ."

"What about the other 'President'"

"Him? I hear he's just as bad. He's trying to organize a 'ceasfire' and claim our territory as his the never of it all."

"How do we even know he's who he says he is? Arnold Yaunker has a battleship. What does he have?"

"The All Clear Code and Enclave Power Armor"

"Both of which could be stolen for all we know. What assurance can we get he's not just a lunatic, but a lunatic without even an actual nation backing him."

"Well, it would be in our interest if he did. This Yaunker person won't allow us to keep all our servants. But perhaps he might differ."

"That remains to be seen. I've heard the bald person he was looking for? He's leading the rebels even as we speak. He's destroyed at least 3 dozen of our security drones."

>What do?
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>>2028046
Fucking yaunker
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>>2028046
Walk in and open negotiations. Allow them their slaves and offer robots to replace them where applicable (should placate both the Eden folks as well as our more moral players). We can force change in the society a few years down the line when we have total control of the area. Also inform them that we have a way to bring in an army of robots as well as never before seen ways to fabricate anything. Offer them a few fabricators for demo (we dont give them to em, just loan them out under our suprevision) after we have the portal working and then use them to both scout for the NCR and to help us breach Hawaii.

They get to keep their society and standard of living (if not even better) and we get an ally against the NCR.
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>>2028056
>Allow them their slaves
No, they must replace their slaves with Robots, which are superior.
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>>2028056
Also, we can offer them great healthcare and we can "take care of" the more rowdy slaves (ship em to Montana or somewhere other far away). We can offer better living to the existing slaves as well (healthcare and abundance of resources thanks to fabrication), make them less slaves and more workers all round. Both increase productivity AND happyness.
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>>2028056
>>2028058
I agree with everything else however.
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>>2028058
Thats why I wrote where applicable. A bot can clean far better but until we make a massage Fisto we have to use humans. Besides, its a moot point when we will engineer the society along the road anyway. The point is to make them choose us right now. They dont have to know what our plans are in 5 years.
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>>2028061
I'd rather they do know, cause i fully believe we can make better robot servants to replace their slaves. Make it a selling point, not just a demand.
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>>2028056
Also make sure the doors are locked and/or blocked so they can't escape the room.
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>>2028062
See, we allow them their slaves and offer to replace any jobs with robots down the line. If we can make a robot masseuse that doesnt tire, fuck up or talk back at you AND works 24/7 you pretty much WANT to get it, assuming it is as good. Them being capitalist quality-of-life overs I dont see this as much of an issue. Yes we wont demand it but when we can offer things far better they dont have any reason NOT to increase their quality of life.
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>>2028058
>>2028056
>>2028062

Ill support this.
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>>2028064
Excellent point. We also dont have to do it with our helmet on and a minigun armed.
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>>2028046
We have three votes for >>2028056

Lets move on. Also take a note of the specifications in the posts following.
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>>2028061
We are not letting Eden keep sex slaves.

Right now pearl harbour is "impenetrable" penetrating it and taking control would go a long way to pushing away Yaunker and bringing Eden under control.
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>>2028075
Listen, we NEED them right now. We are fucked if we dont get them ASAP. Whatever happens in a few years happens with us having the Hawaii base.

We cant get the base if Eden and Yaunker are in our ass, thus we need to get the Eden Board on our side right now, fight back Yaunker and get Hawaii. We can decide social policy after we have the superweapons and Yaunker fucks off.
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>>2028078
Offering a robot work force sgould be more than sufficient to convince them onto side. We dont have to allow tgem sex slaves. They can manage their need by themselves.
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>>2028081
We could just replace the sex slaves with lobotomites.
Which is what i was planning to do anyway.
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>>2028078
Add in the fact that they would get ironclad agreements for slavery, meaning we would not be able to force through social change once we make the initial agreement.
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>>2028081
Dude we have lobos back home ourselves. This is what the world is like right now and we will change it in time. This WONT happen in a day however and whats more, we CANT afford to flip them off right now. Again. Once we have the base they may as well bend over with their demands. Until that point we are in dire need of their help. We dont even have a working teleporter for christs sake.
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>>2028083
Has law ever stopped us before? And do you honestly think we couldnt "federal law" up some bullshit to rip up their paper?

>>2028082
Also valid option.
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>>2028084
If forced between an abolitionist with nithing to offer and an abolitionist offering a solution, we would still be the better choice. Just offering service bots means we are the better choice
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>>2028086
>Has law ever stopped us before? And do you honestly think we couldnt "federal law" up some bullshit to rip up their paper?
Y-yes, just a moment ago we were struggling and failing to get Eden to stop the attack.
Do not give them the Sanctions for slavery, they can keep the slaves until we get proper replacements in but they have to understand NOW, their slavery practice is no longer legal.
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>>2028088
We came unprepared against a people very much accustomed with beuraucracy and the only reason we failed was because we didnt have the paperwork. Now imagine we HAVE a congress (can be a mockup thinktank for all we care) and we pass an actual federal law that says Eden is disbanded and now property of the state because of unpayed taxes and crimes against humanity. We just have to use our power to out-beuraucracy them. Doable, not impossible.

>>2028087
While you are not wrong and I hate arguing with the moralfag population in general, this could lead them to a long deliberation and potentially a want to meet with Yaunker as well. We need them to side with us right now. Right now.
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>>2028086
Well when states feel you are breaking your contract with them, they have a tendancy to rebel over "state rights"
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>>2028046
hi guys, hope you dont mind me butting in on the conversation, but I figured if you let Yaunkers have a shot at convincing you it would be only fair.

Heres my offer.

You announce a one time amnesty payoff. Any indentured servant who wants can have their debt canceled. I know that sounds bad, but hear me out.

right now your spending time, and resources fighting an enemy you dont need to and dealing with disruptions that are bad for business.

I can take those criminals off your hands and offer you something in return.

Your standard of living is better than the majority of America right now. It is worse than you expect. By far.

Im willing to open your borders and let American citizens enter into servant contracts with you. They will be smart, charming, and excellently trained. The tradeoff is that your current servant system is usury. A new servant contract will have to be negotiated with our representatives.

I think you will find that given accurate information about their alternatives many of your existing servants will stay on voluntarily, and the replacement servants will be of a universally higher quality.

But wait, theres more!

I am the president, and I will be taking Pearl Harbor. I know, I know you find that incredulous. It will happen.

I am willing to commit around ten thousand military robot models to the endeavor, and to your defense against the Californian Separatists.

But to do that I need your help. I need parts, and I need your forces to pull back. I have critical resources in the criminal territory.
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>>2028091
No.
Just no, never.
Do not fucking sell our people to them.
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>>2028093
spies dude, working under a renegotiated contract, with specific limits on the amount of time a servant can be indentured.
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>>2028091
Also good. I personally have no problems with re-negotiating the contract system but we CAN NOT have them waste time or side with Yaunker. Combine these two and lets move on.

And hope the dice dont fuck us.
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>>2028089
But i don't want a senate, i don't want to bother with god damn bureaucratic bullshit. Why do we have to play ball with them when they proved they are better at playing ball? Just hold a gun to their heads and make it clear there will be no bullshit.
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>>2028089
If we just suddenly turn around and federally disband them, they are likely to just secede and run to someone who keeps them in power, or start requiring commitiing assets to pacify them. Assets that would be better put to use in battle.
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>>2028091
You will have a very hard time convincing our people to go and be indentured servents to random other people. That is not a deal we can offer.
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>>2028094
No.
Do anons seriously not understand that Bureaucratic nonsense is their strength? They will pull a huge number of laws out of their ass to justify shit, don't give them the opportunity.
If you want spies, give them robots, our strength lies on robotic and AI surveillance.
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>>2028096
>>2028097
Its a possible solution to the issue. Personally I would just replace the humans with bots over time (like back home) and not worry too much about what goes on here as long as we get the Hawaii base and them under us.

Also, they wont rebel when the closest ally is 4000 km away and the deathbeam is next door. Also, we wont do it cold turjey, as stated previously, we replace with humans.

This imageboard is too small to convey ideas in their fullest. I am giving the basic idea.
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>>2028099
We have plenty slaves so if we need to we can shuffle them around. The idea itself it seems to me, is renegotiate the servtiude terms, offer better robots and phase the system out over a period of time, replaced with actual "normal" jobs and excellent robots.
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>>2028109
I agree unless you're still recommending we allow their slavery law to exist in some form, cause that shit has got to go and i don't care if they bitch, we are introducing a better system then that dept slavery thing.
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>>2028105
Its not a good basic idea. Its gonna have to be cold turkey or they would just use their beurocraric skill to make change take 100 years.

It also implies we convince people to willingly sell themselves into sexual slavery, most of whom were forcibly put into sexual slavery.
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>>2028098
considering the living conditions? I think not. plus nearly everyone I intend to send would be a accelerated training spy.

>>2028099
They have a legal advantage, this is a straight up negotiation. all legal pretense will likely be set aside in favor of straight talk.

the beurocracy was just to stall us while they talked to Yaunkers
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>>2028091
I can't support that, im sorry.
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>>2028121
Ex slaves do not jump at the chance to be made slaves again. At least, not in a mentally healthy way.
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>>2028116
A timed contract with goals. We can have our ZAX make up the specifics in a way not likely to fuck us and yet beneficial to the locals.

>>2028117
We ourselves had voluntary sex workers back home before the lobo brothel. If done professionally it can be an actual job, not slavery. And no, we will not promote slavery, just a system of contracts that doesnt fuck your grandkids. We could buy out the debt with robots, maybe? Lot more workhours per year and all. Also wont rebel. Also is a spy. Would also give us reason to connect their mainframe with ours.
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>>2028121
>They have a legal advantage, this is a straight up negotiation. all legal pretense will likely be set aside in favor of straight talk.
I agree but i'm arguing about later, when they can pull shit out of their ass to deny us. Either they accept the change for the better we're bringing or they die, we loot their shit and we leave for Hawaii, cause they are not the prize here.
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>>2028133
Unbreakable contracts is not good for worker rights, and leads to abuse.
We would also be lucky to get 5 people willing to consider cobtracts like that, which is nowhere near enough to satisfy Eden.
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>>2028143
This.
Why are we even arguing about this? We all agree robots are superior but apparently not now. Nooooooo, we gotta offer them our citizens, who are Ex-slaves and will probably know a collar when they see it.
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Also, had a cool mental image:

We activate the portal, there is a momentary lag and a single drone flies through and scouts the area. The locals seem unimpressed until the first killbots start wading through the portal. An endless stream of levitating death cans, multilegged cyborg artillery, giant bipedal chainguns and invisible deathbeams. At the end, Krieger and the CIC staff come through, do a salute and the war machine moves on Hawaii.

Would also make a point of our military superiority over them. Make them have fewer ideas about revolt down the line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAdYmUk6oVY
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>>2028143
Thats why they are timed and conditional.

>>2028152
Was just a point about how to do it. We agreed in the beginning already.

QM Lets move this along.
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>>2028156
Sorry to burst your bubble but the teleporter we brought is a human sized one, so it can only bring in Assaultrons.
And C0nstruct0r parts.
And our PA soldiers.
Axebots too since they're eyebot sized.
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>>2028156
Nice music choice btw.
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>>2028162
Move what? We have no agreement on what to say.

How do you sell "conditional, timed" slavery to ex slaves, where they do everything they did when they were slaves, and not set Us back months in social work?
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>>2028174
>Move what? We have no agreement on what to say.
Yes we do >>2028056 >>2028068
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>>2028176
Except the part about letting them keep slaves is vompletely in contention. That part does not have 3 votes.
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>>2028184
You could fix that yknow, vote for his+mine and we got 3 for giving them robots.
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>>2028162
Sorry still busy for the rest of the day. If you guys just want to reveal yourselves to begin diplomacy without a definitive offer you can.

You can choose to just talk.
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>>2028058
Support this.
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>>2028174
No more indentured servants, every peon gets a contract (say 5 years) and good basic living conditions (we can supply this ourselves). Once their 5 years are up they are free to do whatever (study science, for example) and we will have replaced the peon with a robot far better than him (if not sooner, arguably so). The Edenites get their society intact, we get guilt-free no-more-slavery and a robot spy in every house.

Hows this sound? Our ZAX can probably hammer out the details and perfect the idea. THIS is what I meant.

>>2028166
Sad. How about a portal idea? A small, man-portable portal of 0,5m diameter, designed to work off the BigMT grid via a tiny portal. Through this we shunt a lenght of flexible metal that, once through, assembles itself into a large portal (or bigger, depending on the lenght of metal) and allows us to move all our troops quickly and without the problem of the UFO being slow as fuck.

>>2028172
I know right. Amazing.
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>>2028206
Sad. How about a portal idea? A small, man-portable portal of 0,5m diameter, designed to work off the BigMT grid via a tiny portal. Through this we shunt a lenght of flexible metal that, once through, assembles itself into a large portal (or bigger, depending on the lenght of metal) and allows us to move all our troops quickly and without the problem of the UFO being slow as fuck.
I'm sorry but that's just too much bullshit for me, plus i think we can already do that by using a Human sized portal to bring in a C0nstruct0r who will then slowly build the bigger portal.
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>>2028195
Do it.

"Why, it saddens me you started without me. I didnt even get an invitation. Had to let myself in."
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>>2028206
No. Slavery with a timer is still slavery, which ex-slaves are particularly sensitive to. Even making the offer will alienate so many people and set back integration a lot.

How do you sell " some guy will come and fuck you whenever he wants, no matter how you feel" to rape victims? Ecen if they get paid?
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>>2028166
Axebots are securitron sized actually. They Spin on their wheels like a top
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>>2028206
>ufo
>slow as fuck

does not compute.

besides we cant project portals yet, they require a recieving pad.

and replicators arent exactly tiny yet either
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>>2028223
>besides we cant project portals yet, they require a recieving pad.
We can actually, the Dr. Mobious variant can project portats in a radius around it.
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>>2028218
>Axebots are securitron sized actually. They Spin on their wheels like a top
Drat.
Gonna have to rely on good old assaultron spam then.
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>>2028214
The core idea is that we use a small portal to bring in the pieces of a larger one. Those then assemble themselves. This means we dont need to wait 2 months while the constructor pieces itself together and another month while it builds the damn thing. The pieces are ready-made and need only be thrown through the portal. What I meant witth flexible metal was some sort of articulated structure able to pass through the hole and assemble itself on-site. It can be fucking tiny balls for all I care, just so it can be portaled in by a man-portable solution and it can assemble itself in less than a week. Fast deployment is the idea.
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>>2028216
actually we could offer to replace their slaves with lobotomites.

i dont remember if we can put robot brains in lobo bodies, but if we can that neatly solves their issues (mostly)

especially since we can grow custom lobos in the nursery.

its still distasteful, but better than the alternative
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>>2028224
It has a range though. Cant even use it from the Madre, which is closer than Hawaii by a lot.
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>>2028228
>The core idea is that we use a small portal to bring in the pieces of a larger one. Those then assemble themselves.
I recall that can't be done though, so sorry.
Also it takes 2 months to BUILD a C0nstructor, i don't think it takes the same time for it to reassemble.
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>>2028223
The UFO was slow thanks to the brick of a portal bolted onto the outside. This is partly why we had so much trouble. Also, the receiving end would be a small portal device that a soldier could carry. The other end for this and the large portal would be at BigMT.

Also, it doesnt need a replicator on-site when it is already built. Just needs to be LEGOd together.
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>>2028235
Why not? Seems very doable to me. Especially if the constructor can self-assemble. And even if it comes through the portal fine it will still take a turn to build the portal. Not ideal in combat or time-sensitive missions like this.
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>>2028241
>Why not? Seems very doable to me.
I think QM said it, so raise it with him.
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>>2028056
This.


Lads I think now is the time to begin deploying some less savoury weapons and ideas of ours. How quickly does Dr. 0 think we can produce of cloud-making substance? Enough for a cubic kilometre of cloud?

We need to win this. We can't lose here. We've got to get the Eden-folk and the tribals on side, get all the scrap and factory space we can and throw it into fucking up the NCR's shit while we secure the military base.
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>>2028241
same reason we cant mix teleportation styles to open a pinhole portal and use it to teleport large items through.

because that would make portal size utterly irrelevant, and allow us to transfer gigatons of matter through nano sized portals
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>>2028267
Allowing slavery to continue does not get the tribals on side.
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>>2028270
You dont get it. We use S-S portals to portal through a large portal with 2 dimesnions the size of S (a noodle). This thing then links up and forms a loop (ends of noodle connect and you get an onion ring size L). Now we use a similar size portal back home to make a L-L portal and bring through our larger bots. The S size portal would be man-portable while the L portal would be stationary.

Get the idea?
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>>2028056
they already have robotics, they wont see the point in replacing humans with other different robots. its partly aesthetic, and partly that himans do better in certain jobs.

but if we take an ultra hard line abolitionist stance we become an objectively worse option than Yaunkers.

we have to offer them a workable compromise.

gene tailored workers, lobotomites with robot brains, volunteers, something.
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>>2028284
>they already have robotics
But not the resources to make many, which is partially why they use slaves, but if we offer them more robots+better robot tech and lobotomites they will take it.
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>>2028280
And we can point out that the NCR hates tribals and would enslave them all the same. It's a fact.


Personally I want to buy them out of their debt after taking advantage of the fact that none of our citizens live in houses they own. Meaning that we can charge insanely high property taxes against the Eden-folk to generate the needed income without actually treating them unfairly.

Plus, I think they'd be willing to compromise if we got the Eden-folk to drop the "children are slaves too" part.
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>>2028284
Dude, late to the party. Read up on stuff posted. We replace the workers over time with superior bots (exceedinlgy easy for most jobs, especially considering their bots are pretty shit and we have no shortage of metal like them). Further, the solution here >>2028206 should be a good enough basic concept for our brainiacs to come up with a workable solution.

Chill out and lets move on.
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>>2028284
Yaunker is a hardline abolitionist. Between him and us, where we also give them many robots, we are the better option.
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>>2028283
dude, I understand the idea. The QM said it doesnt work like that.

otherwise we could do all kinds of crazy shit
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>>2028302
When did he say this and why the fuck wont it work?
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>>2028293
Stop saying getting our people to volunteer into slavery would work. It will not work. Pretty much everuone is an ex slave, and they will never willingly go back to that life, not for all the tea in china.

We have to go full abolitionist or we will never be able to integrate Hawaii, the slave owner, and New Washington, the ex slaves.
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>>2028308
Well to be fair our current method of teleportation isn't a portal as such that material can be passed through: it's more comparable to a star-trek teleporter that requires a pad at either end.
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>>2028312
If we go full abolitionist we will never be able to get the Eden-folk on our side and thus will be fucked to repair our ship, construct and power a portal or secure the military base.
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>>2028319
Then we can send it in segments. Same difference. I dont see what is wrong with the core idea.

>>2028312
This was about the native tribals. We offer them a safe future (the first proof will be the replaced cleaners and repairmen who can start studying back home, gives other motivation to work until we save them. Breeds loyalty when they see it works) while gaining the favour of both sides of the native populace.
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>>2028334
>Then we can send it in segments. Same difference. I dont see what is wrong with the core idea.
The problem is that in the small scale portals, if we wanted to send the parts through for a moderately larger one, we would be send dozens and dozens of parts. As portals become exponentially bigger in parts as their ability to teleport increases linearly.

We could do it but I doubt we have time.
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>>2028327
If we offer robots aplenty they will.especially if yaunker would just leave them hanging once all the tribals are dead.

>>2028334
They wont buy that though. When their families and people are currently being raped and enslaved, "wait patiently" is not an option. Especially if Eden just plays beurocrat to impede any of our efforts, which they will.
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>>2028345
Since there is no cooldown in-game we can generously give each part a time of 30s to portal through. This gives the receiving end enough time to move the part. This means that even a portal with 100 parts only takes 50 min to portal trough. By that time most of it should already be built. Meaning we have a portal going in an hour. Realistically I would put it more in the 15 minute scale for a portal able to let bastions through. Not that big of a deal, especially since all power concerns can be handled by portal network as well.
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>>2028351
Again, the Eden folks want their life to be as nice as possible. Why worry about rebel tribals when we will take care of them, replace their rowdy servants with obedient bots and ON TOP OF THAT further improve their standard of living. Their point is not to have slaves but to have slaves so their life is as breezy as possible. Stop thinking of them as villains and start thinking of them as lazy men, which is essentially what they are.
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>>2028289
why are you assuming that? because they recycle? they can field an entire robot army man. they have some resources.

what we COULD do is offer to design them the superior robotic servant. we have the research actions.
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>>2028374
No their robots are shit and relatively few in number when they have to regularly use people. We are far better off.
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>>2028374
Because we were told that they have limited robotics capability? And they are resorting to fleshy workers instead of metal?
Hawaii isnt exactly known for its iron mines.
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>>2028374
>why are you assuming that?
I'm not one of them tells us this right here >>2018387 >>2018408
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>>2028369
So we should abolish slavery full stop, and give them a bunch of service bots, is what your saying?
Because that end up with them living comfortable lives with no slavery.

The tribals want freedom, and wont wait for us to "eventually" fully abolish slavery.
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>>2028389
one of those directly refutes your assertion that they dont have enough resources.

they do. its just cheaper and easier to use humans
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>>2028408
I said not the resources to make many. They can do it but they'll severely consume a lot of their stockpile which is bad.
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>>2028408
And by flooding the supply with our bots, it would be cheaper and easier to use robots. Especially since they dont run off or sabatoge shit.
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>>2028416
they arent doing it because they have no choice or cant afford it. they are doing it because they are still running things like a capitalist society thats concerned with the bottom line.

as I read it the only legitimate reason they havent switched to full robotics is because it is more expensive than disposable human labor. Also because some jobs require humans.

They arent likely to take the idea of "better robots" seriously. And we dont have enough force to make then agree.

We need their help. To fix the UFO and portal.

they dont need fuck all from us.

that means we have to compromise.
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>>2028434
>that means we have to compromise.
The compromise is better robots, i don't care if they don't believe we have them, they either accept the deal or die.
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>>2028434
Bottom line, would you rather have a bunch of slaves who might rebel at any moment, or a bunch of dirt cheap robots who do more work for less, and need no food?
Economically, slaves are shit compared to robots, especially when sold to them for a loss.
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>>2028351
Why would Yaunker leave them hanging? They are a technologically advanced and industrially capable nation!

Also an additional point in our favour: we allow the free market to exist quite freely, ignoring the ever-present surveillance; Yaunker nationalised all the corporations and shit.

>>2028358
True but you'd need to design portal parts specifically for this purpose.
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>>2028445
so you want to fight their ENTIRE army just to get out of here, likely still lack the parts we need, not have enough time to fix the UfO even if we did have them, AND gain a new enemy in whoever takes over Eden?

As opposed to getting a ride from them to directly outside the Pearl Harbor defense perimeter and possible help taking it?

>>2028447
bottom line, we need Pearl Harbor.
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>>2028467
>bottom line, we need Pearl Harbor.
We established this fact earlier.
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>>2028467
>so you want to fight their ENTIRE army just to get out of here.
We managed to sneak in, we sneak out, get the stuff to repair our teleporter and ship, then leave.
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>>2028467
>As opposed to getting a ride from them to directly outside the Pearl Harbor defense perimeter and possible help taking it?
Also they can't do that, they have no access to Hawaii.
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>>2028476
It took us several days to get in here when they weren't exactly expecting anyone trying to breach. You want to try it again when their forces are rushing here and expecting us?

Not to mention, in another week the NCR will probably have gotten to Pearl harbour's heart.
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>>2028479
we just overhead them saying theyve tried to get in before. that means rhey can get close and know where it is. we dont even know where pearl harbor is

i dont care if we lie, just dont alienate them
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>>2028490
>we just overhead them saying theyve tried to get in before. that means rhey can get close and know where it is.
You got me there.
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Anyone here?
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Okay i'm here for a bit. Lemme see if anything was locked in by vote
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>>2028749
I think it was negotiation for full abolition, replacing all slaves with robots.
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>>2028798
No, the only thing with significant support was >>2028056. Although it did face significant opposition.
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>>2028058
>>2028068
>>2028200
Were for negotiating with full abolition.
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>>2028807
See >>2028816

Support for >>2028056
was contingent on full abolition, but keeping everything else.
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>>2028824
My mistake but I still say they ain't going to agree to it...
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>>2028056
You show yourself too them, and startled they all activate personal force field barriers around their chairs. Before they decide to leave or call in security, you manage to convince them you are here only to talk.

"Mr President. I don't think you understand. Regarding our agriculture, industrial output, and security needs we are already placing our robots to best use.

Our servant population fulfill more than merely an economic role, but a cultural and traditional one. A "Mr. Handy" Butler no matter how skilled and precise, simply lacks the. . .charm that a well organized team of servants has.

More importantly, they owe our families a debt. And we are not so easily inclined to just forgive that debt."

From their output reports and records it looks like robots are already working factories and doing bulk agricultural labour, but servants are doing "delicate" work like carefully harvesting and preparing personal home garden plants in ways that robotics (even your own) still are not yet able to replicate.

You get a strong feeling the servants here are something of a status symbol as well. Everyone can have a robot, but not everyone can have big mansions full of servants.

>Push the issue, try to emphasize this is still a better deal than they will get from Yaunker
>Agree to allow them to pacify and own their servant populace the way they want it
>Other?
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>>2028841


Could we afford to pay off the debts of those who broke free?
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>>2028853
You get the feeling even if you could, they'd prefer not to.

The "Criminals" and "Terrorists" have been plaguing them for generations, their ornery and want the victory over them they've been dreaming of for ages.

It might still be possible though. You could try your chances. Its a lot less expensive than demanding the entire island.
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>>2028864
If they 'disappeared' would that be enough to count as a 'victory' ?
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>>2028841
>Push the issue, try to emphasize this is still a better deal than they will get from Yaunker
Yaunker is not going to allow you to keep "servants" and he wont make such a generous offer- he would likely kill all the workers and leave you to handle whats left. At least this way, you dont have to cook your own food.

And with how valuable a single bot can be, think of it as uncle sam bailing them out, so you end up with assets rather than Credit that is never paid.
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>>2028841
>other

renegotiate the servitude contract so it becomes work instead of slavery.

slaves are drain on your economy, workers spend money on everything.

if need be the United states will take on the excess debts, the legal ones, and fulfill its sovereign duty to defend Eden.
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>>2028841
>Push the issue, try to emphasize this is still a better deal than they will get from Yaunker

The courier is more eloquent than I. Explain to them just how incredibly far our robotics has progressed. We wouldnt be replacing them with "common Mr Handys" we would be replacing them with a highly advanced /sophisticated suite of robots. You would have input in their creation process to better serve you, and as we provide them the contracted workers would slowly be phased out. Using anons idea

Meanwhile these tribals that have been plaguing you for decades will be relocated and dealt with. They wont be bothering you, and you will be free to expand across the island without fear or hassle.
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>>2028864
It was never the whole island. Just the uninhabited jungly bits Eden doesnt use.
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>>2028841
What jobs are those that a robot cannot do to a better quality? If it is charm, we can offer a range of AI constructs (sell them on personal AI as a status symbol; taylored to the individual, one of a kind). Besides, with Yaunker here, their whole way of life will be stripped and submitted to the whims of the nationalist state. WE are here to make sure liberty reigns supreme. That, however, goes for everybody. If they want personal servants they will have to hire them and forget the debt (we can look favourably on those in the upcoming years. Our goal is the etterment of the US citizen and his way of life. For this we all have to make some sacrifices. Those sacrifices will be repayed, however (imply replicator tech and its select use).

See if our brainiacs have any ideas on how to entice them.

>>2028853
No buying them out. Leaves us way too vulnerable unless we can take it on "credit".
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>>2028841
If it's charm they are looking for why not holograms?
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>>2028923
Charm means sex.
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>>2028927
No i'm pretty sure it's something else now, not just sex.
They want slaves cause it's a status symbol, we need to offer something that can do the same.
Augments?
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>>2028933
Actually Personal Replicators would probably do it, nothing says "I'm important" like having a devise that can turn dirt into gold.
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Guys it does not matter what we are currently saying. We could lie to our teeth to use people and deal with it later.
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>>2028933
Gold plated Android servants controled by custom AI segments (similar to yes man?) each one could be unique in form /function for the true elite?
Holograms?
Personal replicators?
Advanced VR allowing them to live it whatever fantasy they have no matter how deviant?
Tease portal tech?
Tease brain in a jar style immortality?
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>>2028841
>Other?
"I would point out to you that your lives and most of your people's lives would be unaffected by the removal of the slavery. Fact is that you and I both know that you could, and would under us, automate most simplistic and manual labour that you currently have left for the tribals and other slaves.

That means that for the majority of these ex-slaves? They'd still end up doing what you have them doing currently. Difference is they'd be consumers and doing it of their own free will. This is the system my people work under and it functions perfectly. In fact, I could even see about transferring some of my people to here and under the government work system, they could be made to act as your servants without issue to replace any gaps in your needs. An additional benefit, which you yourselves mentioned, is that your servants do lack advanced education which I can assure you has been a major focus of my government.

Another point is that I can promise you with our current technological innovations we could replace your servants in these delicate roles, excluding massage but as mentioned my people can fulfil this role should the freed slaves falter. For example all homes of my people are equipped with an shared artificial intelligence system with holographic projection capabilities that acts as a secretary, voice controlled radio and various other functions which I can assure you proved very popular: this would easily reduce your own staff especially when supported by our various other innovations while further improving your quality of life.
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>>2028972
Oh yea VR would definitely work as a status symbol.
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>>2028986


As to the debt: I respect that you feel betrayed but you can't blame the tribals, many of them will have been born outside of your enclave and without any formal education or understanding of the deal made by their ancestors. Even ignoring that, you have to understand that your war against them would cost assets and resources we need for more productive things. You are economists yes? Then consider that you are sinking more and more resources into this war for what? Vengeance?

Your position is illogical: it all comes down to the third rule of acquisition; the third rule states, never spend more than you have to. You want to acquire peace? Their labour? Fine, peace is good and so is labour. Whatever it costs? That is what makes you fail. Peace currently could be gotten for a bargain price and you get what you are seeking. Yet if you continue down your current path? You have weapons, they have weapons, everybody has weapons but between the two of you neither has a clear advantage and the NCR has a heck of a lot more of them than either of you.

Peace is at an all time low. This is the perfect time to get it. Don't you see? Continuing to fight will only cost you more resources, strengthen their resolve and leave the NCR ready to destroy you both. Fact is you are paying the resources for their upkeep for the most part anyway in the form of food, housing, clothes and so on. If you had peace you could salvage outside your borders uncontested by them and have far more metal and other resources to expand, construct and create."

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQcGzbpN7s

Thank god for the space jews.


>>2028933
Our alien metal science robots would work greatly thanks to their tractor beam manipulator system.
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>>2028986
>Fact is that you and I both know that you could, and would under us, automate most simplistic and manual labour that you currently have left for the tribals and other slaves.
They've already done that though.
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for all of those pushibg robots, unkess your pkanning on spending a research action our current robots cannot perform good jobs that they are talking about. So unless you plan to build them we do not have robots that can replace their slaves
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>>2028999
I mean the gathering of trash (robots that we really need to get round to inventing ourselves) and the dancing (holograms!).
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Rolled 10 (1d100)

>>2028986
>>2028990

How about this combined with:

We'll get rid of the rebels for you, take them far off where you'll never have to deal with them again. (that is to say, give them to Diana or integrate them into our population).

Of course, we won't do it for free. In exchange for this service we'll expect payment. In particular, we want every single servant and slave to be offered the chance to go free if they so desire.

We will supplement this with our own personal/nation's funds if needbe.

Though I'm fine with axing the latter if they can just be persuaded that their system is stagnant and needs to be re-invigorated.

We can also try the angle of "your isolation and complete subjugation of your slaves has made you weak, you have to improve now that the real world is coming for you" if this doesn't work.
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>>2028990
>Our alien metal science robots would work greatly thanks to their tractor beam manipulator system.
Oh yea those too.
So we can offer VR, Alien metal and maybe tease we can also offer infinite resources.
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>>2029000
I have no problem spending a research action on it. That'd honestly be good in the long run since it'd develop better fine manipulators which we need for delicate shit like surgical robots, bomb defusal and so on.

>>2029005
No, no not the alien metal. The robots themselves are what I am suggesting could be used to replace many of their servants since they are very capable of fine manipulation and other such delicate working skills.
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>>2029017
>The robots themselves are what I am suggesting could be used to replace many of their servants since they are very capable of fine manipulation and other such delicate working skills.
Are they QM?
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>>2029020
They do lab work for us. That shit is delicate as hell and requires they are precise. If they can't, then I question how useful they are and why we couldn't just use Mr. Handy's for their role.
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>>2029003
Tribals will want to stay here though. Would likely not agree to being displaced.
I can see them fighting to the last over it.
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>>2029045
The ones who've ran away from Eden and just assault the robots sent after them? I think we can offer them a sweet deal too.
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>>2029023
Yeah, a retrofit of the lab bots should be able to thread a needle during a windstorm. Give them a gilded finish and what more can you ask for.
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>>2029048
Can you give them their ancestral homeland? They probably take it very seriously.
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>>2029055
Plus we can fit them with a bunch of other shit in place of scienfitic equipment. A "phone" system, holographic projector and some sort of handle to place a handbag or Picnic basket on.
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>>2029061
If that is the problem, we can settle them on the other islands of Hawaii. As Eden is only on one and Pearl harbour is on another and we'll need some people for shit over there.
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>>2029061
Did I miss something? They didn't seem to be all that attached to me?
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>>2029065
Holographic projector will definitely be needed, they want charm after all.
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>>2029071
Why wouldnt they be? Theyre the original inhabitants and they probably fought for generations here.
Best option would probably be split the island.
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>>2029079
>Best option would probably be split the island.
Which it already is, so hooray.
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>>2029090
Well officially. So its not both sides claiming the whole.
Have a nice DMZ running up and down the island, and everyone stays on their side. Novody is happy, but no one is angry about being displaced.
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>>2029073
True. Hell we can also offer them a petting zoo of exotic animals and shit. Crocodile steaks and kangaroo sausages for the poncy bastards.
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>>2029104
True. Slaves are just people. Theyre everywhere. Give that bitch a monkey. Who wants a status symbol that is walking around just outside the walls.
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>>2028864
Happy Halloween QM
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>>2029079
They were citizens of Eden. Honestly the land around here is irradiated shit full of monsters.

we can walk them around the nursery which will probably seem like a fucking paradise in comparison.

I still say we transition slavery into real jobs.

hell we could make the jobs EVEN MORE of a status symbol by ripping off the stereotypical butler and maid tropes.

the top families could compete to win the service of the most proficient, proper, and deadly servants possible.

overnight being a servant would become a ludicrously high paying job, and a competent maido or butler would be much nire impressive because they CHOOSE to serve.

we can sell it as a type of exclusivity. And offer to train maids and butlers and gardners.
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>>2029525
But what motivates the tribals to Go to butlery school instead of do tribal stuff in the jungle? Money they don't use to buy stuff they don't want?
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>>2029339
This, happy Halloween to every anon.

>>2029525
>the top families could compete to win the service of the most proficient, proper, and deadly servants possible.
I get the feeling you've been watching Black butler.