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The sky glows a hazy orange with the first hints of dawn. Anderson shuffles out of the field, patting dust from his pants as he steps on the side of the small road and looks in both directions, searching for what little civilization there may be. A single fly perches itself atop a power line, quickly cleaning its eyes with its antennae as it cleans the dust from its vision and strains to put together a coherent image through the haze of heat along the horizon. Even without its vision, you feel a vibration approaching, and soon after a pillar of dust forming along the haze of the horizon. Anderson strains his eyes to see it, watching as the sound of a combustion motor slowly increases in volume and a rusty truck rattles over the old worn road. Anderson waves with earnest desperation as he stands in the street, until the truck comes to a halt, its brakes screeching louder than the engine, which pops like a gun as a puff of smoke erupts from its tailpipe. A man leans out, his skin a leathery brown with a set of coveralls and no shirt. He squints at Anderson with wrinkly eyes as a herd of grumbling, squealing hogs in the fenced in truck bed eye him up with apathy.

“Need'n some help there?” He asks.

Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!

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>>1975118
It's that time again!
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>>1975118
KILL EVERYONE EVERYWHERE!
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>>1975118
Aww yeah, HQQ time!
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>>1975118
Here we go lads!
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>>1975118
Let me just briefly preface this with a quick heads up. My place of work is going out of business sometime by the end of this year, and since it's a family business I'll likely be having to help deal with things during a wider range of hours than normal. Essentially we will be starting the fire sale of our inventory, while also laying off most of the workers, which will leave me to deal with just about all the shipping for the remaining inventory, plus moving it all to a new location that leases month to month.

I say this because I'm not entirely sure if this will cause an increase or a decrease in my net free time. In the short term I'll likely be unable to run quite as often, but that should only last a few months, and hopefully won't cause anything like a hiatus, more of a few hiccups. The uncertainty is more for the long term, since once everything is sold and we close down I'm not sure what my schedule will look like at all. Either way, I'll continue to run as often as I can, just wanted to let you know things may get a little more unpredictable.

Anyways, back to the quest.
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HOPE YOU'RE READY
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>>1975162
Shit man. Best of luck with it
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>>1975162
Atleast you aren't dying this time.
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>>1975162
Aw man, sorry to hear your family buisiness is going under. Hope the rest of your family is braced for losing it, at least. This isn't thanks to the hurricanes, I hope.
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>>1975162
Ah hell man, that sucks. Best of luck in getting this sorted!

Just run whenever you feel like it - not every thread has to be a 12 hour marathon. If you can only run in bits and pieces I don't think anyone will complain.
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>>1975118
Let's do this shit.
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>>1975162
Well at least your heart didn't double explode this time.


Certainly this is a smaller setback.
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>>1975118
Your newly received effigy speaks to your mind, and you turn your thoughts to it. You can see the progress being made already; foundations being planned out, eggs produced, the first thinkers already assembling plans for a network of interwoven superstructures spreading across the planet. Little has been finished yet, but you have already supplied enough workers to begin the first step of the construction. You look over it approvingly, the efficiency of the organization makes it clear she has done this before. This is not her first hive, although she hesitates in a few places where the old Queens had stagnated.

"I have studied your adaptations." The Scarred Queen says. "It is impressive, and many are beyond the imaginings of the typical thinker, however there are a rare few offerings I believe my old dynasty may yet provide, some adaptation that could be of use, even with your advanced weaponry taken from the innovations of the Blind. They served me well to keep me safe this long, and you may find them equally useful, if possibly redundant with some of your other adaptations."

You feel the sudden rush of genetic data. It is encrypted by its very form, as all Hive genetics are, but the code is slowly unraveled by her own guidance for your thinkers to study and understand.

cont.

>>1975188
Not going under, my grandpa is just sick and tired of the industry bullshit and nobody else wants to deal with it either. Too much paperwork, too much drama. It's more trouble than it's worth. My point is that since it's family run I can't exactly just call in sick or quick early, so I tend to help out during off hours, like yesterday, and that won't leave much time for prepwork either. I just want to make sure nobody thinks I'm trying to quit or getting burned out or anything, it's just getting difficult to find the time.
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Daily reminder

>Raid OQ
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.
>Send a diplomacy team to earth.
>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
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>>1975256
>Raid OQ
Reminder WQ has outright stated this isn't the way to go.
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>>1975251
>You feel the sudden rush of genetic data. It is encrypted by its very form, as all Hive genetics are, but the code is slowly unraveled by her own guidance for your thinkers to study and understand.

Awesome! New research unlocked (again).
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>>1975251
New Research Available

>Artillery Spore
Very Fast
While the use of anti-orbital weapons has traditionally been limited in the Hive to atmospheric saturation fire by surface gun platforms, with any actual orbital threats handled by picket fleets, there are a few notable exceptions. One such exception, which was considered a mainstay of the defenses of throne worlds in its time, was the Artillery Spore. Launched from a large Spore Caster set along the surface, each spore was a large, roughly Space Pod sized device composed of a diamond lattice shell ending in a tapered point etched with sensor ports along the diameter, and a body consisting of a specialized sub-brain and a miniaturized and heavily altered Skid Drive. The Skid Drive itself is modified for enhanced acceleration and performance within a gravity well at the cost of drastically reducing overall maneuverability and stability. It is so unstable, in fact, that the acceleration is not entirely uniform and suffers from extreme inertia. The resulting G-forces are terminal for the spore itself, and in fact any life form known to exist, with the spore possessing no actual life support functions, and enough oxygenated blood within its sub-brain to reach the target, and nothing more. The result is a Skid Drive that effectively pushes off against the planet not unlike a standard rocket, but with far, far more potency. Once in the air, the pod will guide itself to its target until it reaches a determined distance, at which point the drive wings will deliberately offset by seventeen degrees, resulting in a sudden and ever increasing spin that will eviscerate the internal organs of the spore in less than two seconds. From this moment, the spore is an unguided rocket, its drive functioning on a dead-man's switch as its spin causes its tapered shell to drill into the target's hull, at which point one of two things will happen: the drive wings will be pulled off by the impact with the target, or will be torn off by the increasing centripetal force. In either case, the drive itself is triggered as a makeshift warhead, and it immediately performs what could only be described as a kind of impotent blink, wherein the drive expels a massive radiation burst, hopefully inside the target's hull and destroying it from within, or in the event of a miss, blinding it and nearby vessels with a sudden burst of both tachyons and multi-spectrum radiation capable of damaging or destroying smaller craft akin to a kind of flak.

>>1975213
Very good point.

>>1975196
Honestly, I've been following the development of a new questing site, once it's set up I may just move there. It's still on the drawing board though so that won't be for a long time.
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>>1975268
What was it again i forgot?
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>>1975281
She told us to provoke the BQ to attack us where we are the strongest since is focusing on defense right now.
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We should probably move our Hive ship and a bunch of our idling fleet to secure our positions in the Expanse. Now that the Union has accepted our demands, we have no reason to have a fleet over their capital.
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>>1975274
>new questing site
Mind telling us what it is?
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>>1975274
>Artilery Spore

Oh baby daugtheru...
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>>1975293
In that regard:

I think we should deploy the raid fleets and have them "operate" out of a secretly fortified system.

She'll attack it thinking its key to their operation and we'll use the opportunity to wipe out a big chunk of her fleet.
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>>1975293
Maybe we can get her to attack Path.

>>1975299
"Anonkun but with blackjack, hookers, and a backend that dosen't suck donkey dick." There's nothing available to the public yet.
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>>1975295
Good idea. I have no problem with splitting the Gemini fleet up over our holdings in the Expanse. We should probably leave a battleship and a few escorts behind, though. Like we have with the CW at Odin.
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>>1975295
I'd like to maintain a sizable fleet in jump distance of Union worlds that BQ might attack.
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>>1975313
>Maybe we can get her to attack Path.

While our defending Path would probably be good PR with the humans, they'd lose a lot of people even *if* we win. And if we lose or even if we only don't win overwhelmingly the OQ gets human tech. Provoking her to attack the humans is a serious gamble.
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>>1975274
>Artillery spore
OH GOD I'M SO HYPE FOR THIS

Also please keep us posted for this new questing site QD, this has piqued my interest.

>>1975293
That was only for a single system which the OQ inhabits. There are tons of systems she took from the other queens that only have a barebones picket fleet protecting it, and we know she will never send her primary fleets to back them up. Perfect targets for raiding.
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>>1975313
The worst part about Akun isn't even the players or the all the smut since I can deal with that. It's rather how mind numbingly stupid kas is.
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>>1975330
A good idea, but we should discuss it with whoever's in charge of the Union military.

>>1975332
At this point, it may be inevitable that Path gets attacked because the black creep has already began to infiltrate the sewers of the planet. I don't want OQ to get Human tech, but we may be able to downplay how fortified the system is, so that if (when) she DOES attack, we'll be able to spring a surprise on her. I'm not so much advocating that we deliberately bait her, I'm suggesting we act like the system isn't as defended as it is in the possible event that she grows a relay there and decides it's a planet that's ripe for the picking.
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>>1975343
My first thought was that it's a gravitic missile without using canderon.
Second thought was wondering if we could use gravity foils instead.
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THE QUEST FOR GALACTIC DOMINATION BEGINS
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>>1975369
>My first thought was that it's a gravitic missile without using canderon.
>Second thought was wondering if we could use gravity foils instead.
Doesn't work. The warhead uses the blink drive.
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>>1975343
Agreed. We can start probing against systems that aren't an Uber-fortress with ancient ark weapons. It's probably best we finish mopping up the Scavs first, though, so those fleets aren't bogged down.
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>>1975162
Damn QD, hope everything works out.
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>>1975381
Yeah it really wouldn't pack a warhead would it. That enhanced acceleration though.
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>>1975274
I wonder if we can apply our minaturization tech to this and turn it into a bazooka style rocket spore?
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>>1975368
I find it doubtfull that the OQ would launch a second attack on Path, it doesn't fit her MO. She sends out a scouting fleets to launch probing attacks on possible targets to test them, but if she doesn't hear back from the fleet she usually leaves the world in question alone (as seen with her assault on 0-1). She won't attack anything she isn't sure she can take, and given she's probably not in contact with her creep infestation on Path its very unlikely she would send another fleet there.

I still say the best way to whittle down her fleet is to aggressively raid the worlds she holds but hasn't consolidated. We already know they're under-defended and we can take em.
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>>1975393
I'm not sure we can miniaturise a Skip Drive unfortunately...
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>>1975274
Lee looks over several dozen stacks of paperwork, your thinkers compiling the data and passing along the comprehension of the information to his mind. He blankly looks at a holoscreen as fields of largely meaningless Skyl script runs past in an attempt to give a reason for Lee's momentary trance in the middle of the video call.

"Well I just think with all this talk of technology exchange you would be jumping at the chance to open up a joint laboratory." Lee says. Windsor seems to examine him through the screen, as if searching for some sign of deception.

"Right, but sending a large number of human research staff into Hive space..."

"We could establish the lab on an already established human colony. Off the top of my head.. Bedrock seems like a good place. In deep space, no biosphere, low population. All of the mining corporations pulled out and recalled their employees so the only people left are poor drug heads. If I didn't know better I'd think you were using this as an excuse to dump a bunch of criminals and vagrants on us just to wash your hands of them."

"If you didn't know better." Windsor says with a half-smile. "Speaking of which, the corporations are taking the mining equipment with them."

"That's fine, Hive mineral extraction methods are far more efficient. I'm sure you'd be able to catch a few glimpses of it if you had a research team on site." Lee says as he leans forward with an obvious smirk. Windsor lets out a half-chuckle.

"Not very subtle." He says. "But I see the point. I may be able to find a few volunteers for a cultural and technological exchange... once we get some more open airspace over Gemini."

"Equally unsubtle, Secretary." Lee says. "Give me a few moments to converse." With a quick tap of several keys the image mutes, and an image of an eye with a cross through it appears over Windsor's face. He leans back, and his thoughts reach out for you, tugging at your mind for your attention.

"When are you planning on removing the fleet from Gemini? It's making your request for that lab a bit difficult."

>Remove the fleet and return it to Hive Space
>Offer a timetable for its removal (write in)
>Other (write in)

>>1975299
Bunch of people trying to make a website for questers by questers. They seem to be making good progress, though it's still in the very early stages.
What>>1975313
said, more or less.

>>1975343
Maybe once it hits beta I'll run another episode of Cyberpunk Detective to test out the features.
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>>1975399
My two cent is we should build up on Path and rope the Valen into helping us with their mercenary army.
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>>1975402
I am totally game for trying though. Even if all we get is the detonation effect from a mini drive we can still use that with other propulsion options.
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>>1975412
>Remove the fleet and return it to Hive Space
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>>1975412

Remove the fleet, but leave a battleship "As a diplomatic vessel for our ambassador"
Make sure they don't bloody well forget that we're here and we're watching their shit
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>>1975412
>Maybe once it hits beta I'll run another episode of Cyberpunk Detective to test out the features.
yessss

but also:
>Remove the fleet and return it to Hive Space
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>>1975412
>>Other (write in)
>We'll be happy to remove the fleet once you return the artifacts we requested during our first meeting.
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>>1975434
Right we need to do this.
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>>1975412
>>Remove the fleet and return it to Hive Space
>Other (write in)
What I really want to know more about is what sort of conditions will be in place for our research agreement with the Union. What sort of tech are we going to be giving them? How much of that will be related to weapons/shield development? I'm a little worried that we just agreed to give away something that Union will use against us.
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>>1975412
>Other (write in)
>"Sure, the commonwealth could always use the reinforcements."
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>>1975434
Ho snap, this. THISSS.
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>>1975438
>>1975431
>>1975441
We forgot something.
>>1975434
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>>1975118
Daily reminder.
>test ability to detect Seiner's scrying on our own relays, speakers, throne room, and decoy throne rooms
>test Seiner's ability to tell real throne room and decoy throne room apart
>test Seiner's (in)ability to project across psionic insulation, and the (non)effectiveness of the psionic shroud over Leeland to stop him
>locate and count all OQ hive ships
>locate planetside advanced relays
>identify Parliamentary secret service agents off-duty on Gemini
>scry on what Commandant Zadornov is working on
>scry on the elusive Dr. Smith
>scry on Dillon's old bosses in SecCom
>scry on the Guild of Transportation engineers who understand hypergate tech
>scry on anything to do with the Star Hound project that we missed out on
>scry on clandestine meetings that Secretary Morgan isn't privy to
>scry on Pastor David Richardson and the United Cyclicist Church
>scry on what Van Den Broeck Superluminal is plotting now that we're ousting them from the Expanse
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>>1975412

>>1975434
>We'll be happy to remove the fleet once you return the artifacts we requested during our first meeting.
I like the cut of your jib. This. Maybe pair with >>1975441 if it's going to pass across more as a joke than a threat.

We should take this opportunity to schedule a meeting with the higher-ups who know about the Union's psionic research and such so we can tell them to cut it out and why exactly they should, as well as why the void shards will eat them.
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>>1975434
Nice.
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>>1975412
>Remove the fleet and return it to Hive Space
We showed the stick. Now is time for carrots for good behavior
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>>1975434
Oh fuck. Yeah that one
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>>1975438
We don't need to give them tech really.

We can give unlimited research grants with the use of our laboraties to encourage existing human technologies to be researched along paths we want them to advance.

Like making A-class quantum relays more space efficient, or duplicating the research the Star Hound Project was undergoing into the true nature of Canderon.

But most valuably of all, any completely novel ideas they come up with themselves, but that they haven't managed to find funding to put into practice yet. A skunkworks.
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>>1975472
>But most valuably of all, any completely novel ideas they come up with themselves, but that they haven't managed to find funding to put into practice yet. A skunkworks.
This. It's not like it would cost us much to let a bunch of them throw their ideas at the wall and see what sticks. Some resources, a couple drones and spine buddies
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>>1975472
The government itself will still want some level of tech from the scary bugs. They think they're going to be able to catch up with us using these research agreements not realizing we're pumping their best minds for ideas not actual research.
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>>1975472
Best thing.

I mean we can give them medical and bio stuff that would make their lives easier without really affecting their other tech development. We can also ask our AI freind to try and map probable technology advances according to current research trends and areas of interest so we can investigate areas that humans skip over due to unlimited grants.

Sometimes making do is what gets the tech discoverd afterall.
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>>1975447
Yeah, given that the reason we demanded the Expanse in the first place is to keep the Union away from the artifacts, the deal really isn't done until the turn over all the artifacts they already have.
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>>1975472
I like the cut of your jib. We definitely should be looking into that canderon production tech, that would be a game changer for us.
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>>1975472
Yeah the best way to poach them from the Union would be offering unlimited research funding like we gave Elizabeth. Have that advertised on Mentan and watch a mass exodus of all the scientists and researchers there
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>>1975434
We could leverage this further, with what we know about The Prometheus Initiative now. See if they'll admit about the neutrino beam.

>Also any equipment you may have connected to the exotic artifacts. It may be contaminated.
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>>1975483

True.
Require them to undergo mandatory medical testing and give them Spine Buddies™

We can get an absolute tonne of Canderon from the Vhalen, so we can give them that for their tests. + any raw resources they require
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>>1975487
>I mean we can give them medical and bio stuff that would make their lives easier without really affecting their other tech development.
Eh, I hate to break it to you, but our most visible medical tech is based on nanomachines. If we teach the Union how to make those, I can garuntee you within a week they'll be using that knowledge to design molecular disassembler warheads.
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>>1975495
That has been thoroughly pinned on the domestic terrorists. We don't need to bring that up now and thereby reveal our involvement.
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>>1975503
They dont even understand their own genome fully. Theres plenty of biotech we can give them without handing over nanotech.
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>>1975485
Do what most countries do. Cast offs that nominally improve their efficiency but also leave us with an edge. Give them a weapon system that required hive parts, that they can't replicate because the power source is a living hive piece. Give them cures for minor but debilitating diseases, they already think it's our med tech that's better anyway
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>>1975496
>Require them to undergo mandatory medical testing and give them Spine Buddies™
>>1975483
>Some resources, a couple drones and spine buddies

We shouldn't reveal we have this ability to what will be overseen by Union officials.

Just let them work and toss them a few non-military quality-of-life-improving technologies.
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>>1975412
Lee turns back to the holoscreen and it resumes the connection, the pressing of the control key a simple formality.

"Sounds good, once the last of the artifacts have been returned, the fleet will depart." Lee says. Windsor exhales deeply as he leans back in his seat.

"Right." He says. "Most of that would be on Path, and is already being dealt with to your speaker's satisfaction. We have some Skyl artifacts on top of that which we have already assembled for your pickup. The shuttle can launch for your capital ship at any time, just say the word."

"Please?" Lee says with a shrug.

"Funny." Windsor says blandly. "I'll have the shuttle launch immediately."

>Mention the Ceph research program you discovered from the Senticom archives
>Agree to receive the shuttle
>Other (write in)
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>>1975491
They wanted to create Canderon but there is probably no possibility of them recreating it, it's likely intimately tied to the Void Crafting tree, from the hint that EchoMom gave.
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>>1975496
Now that I think about it, we could just copy their memories during a mandatory hive physical and just clone them once their time is up and they have to return to the Union. Don't even need to use the spinepals, we can learn everything they've ever known just by giving them a dip in a medi-tank.
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>>1975517
>Agree to receive the shuttle
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>>1975517
>Agree to receive the shuttle
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>>1975503
I can't think of any reason to bring up the archives. Anyone have an argument for it?
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>>1975514
That's why you have two labs, one for Union bootlickers and the Premium Lab for people who spurn scrutiny and human contact for Science.

>>1975508
I don't want to admit specific knowledge about it. A more general statement querying if they've connected artifacts to any other alien artifacts. You think that's too much of a hint?
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>>1975521
Sounds like the source for a third type of hive thinker drone. We could easily do this across the multiple species we have encounterd to get a large influx of different perspectives.
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>>1975517
>>Agree to receive the shuttle
No sense in tipping our hand and revealing we were behind that op to killinger of all people. As long as the void shard is on that shuttle there won't be any problems.
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>>1975517
>Agree to receive the shuttle

>Other (write in)
-Schedule a meeting to discuss a debriefing of the Nowhere incident.
-Bring up the psionic research that was performed on Lee, and strongly advise against continuing it, because in opens their mind to suggestions by the thing that they summoned at nowhere and because human brains cannot handle it without extreme modification
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>>1975517
>Mention the Ceph research program you discovered from the Senticom archives
Just so you know we can mentally see anything we want to.
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>>1975535
Well, we could always claim 'we heard the screaming' again.

Actually, once we receive the void shard they used in testing. We can ask them for the neutrino beam.

"It told us about it."
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>>1975472
Not a bad idea, but we should play ball with the Union gov too. Otherwise they may take steps to sequester the best scientists. There may also be scientists who want their discoveries to go to advancing humanity and not to furthering the technological edge of a precursor empire. They may be in invested in research for something other than the thrill of discovery, and in those cases we'll need the support of outside institutions.

>>1975517
>Agree to receive the shuttle

Don't mention the archives until we at least look at the secret files Windsor gave us.

I'm pretty sure the Senticom archive mentioned a Void sample being stored in a system other than Gemini... maybe we should pop in for a surprise inspection?
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>>1975517
I didn't hear anything about that secret jungle planet base mentioned here, though possibly that's where the Skyl artifacts are coming from.

When are we going to infiltrate that place?
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>>1975517
>Agree to receive the shuttle
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>>1975545
As they're evacuating it we can just land on it in the open right now.
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>>1975517
"Considering the vast amounts of Skyl artifacts you have gained from Darwin alone makes us think that the a mere single shuttle is not enough for the full amount."
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>>1975544
The other system, at least at the time we hit the senticom building, was on that world Seiner tried to play cat and mouse with our drones. That's where they were running the neutrino beam tests using a void shard, think the name was Tadega or something like that.
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>>1975544
We don't actually need to work with the scientists in question to test their ideas. That's what our endless supply of drones and thousands of thinkers are for.
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>>1975551
The rest are on Path apparently.
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>>1975517
Wait a minute, why am I suddenly hyper-suspicious of the shuttle?

...Are they going to try to blow us up?
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>>1975517
>>Agree to receive the shuttle
But make sure to state in no uncertain terms that lying to us about artifacts is both easily detectable and could be considered an act of war. Then give them time to "make sure" they deny everything over. Just so they know how serious we are about this.
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>>1975563
Would be rather pointless of them to try.
We could literally invade every single world they own simultaniously, even if they successfully detonate a weapon in our ship, it'll just piss us off.
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>>1975556
>the hive is literally the one place in the galaxy that is actively trying to hire Idea Guys
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>>1975563
Let's have Seiner look at it then.
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>>1975572
To be fair, its easier to be a useful idea guy if you actually know the details of what your talking about.

The rest will just get told by a speaker that their shit/offerd a brain upload of knowledge.
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>>1975563
They can't be that stupid. We could self destruct every ship in the Gemini fleet and they'd still lose the planet due to creep spread and hidden hives.
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>>1975575
Seiner 2.0 has become irreplaceably valuable due to having his true potential as a human unlocked in a way we haven't learned to duplicate (yet).
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>>1975587
They're stupid enough to open Doom gates. Even if they do who cares, we'd have justification for pretty much anything we wanted afterwards. Us+heretic/unity+our other human allies would be happy to split their space for some land or trade deals
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>>1975598
>Doom gates
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>>1975596
>implying I want to send him there personally
He's a seer. I want him to SEE. You do understand what that means?
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>>1975598
So your telling us we need to bio-engineer doom marine, awaken him like seiner 2.0 and then make an army of them?

Lyle! Come get your upgrades!
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>>1975598
I would give anything for the Union to actually start a space war with us. I've wanted to crop dust entire cities with our nightmare alien cordyceps for so long now....
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>>1975517

Mention an anonymous tip about the Ceph research program. Make it clear that we don't want to make this a big deal, but that this is dangerous technology, similar to what was seen on Nowhere.
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>>1975598
We should be very explicit about this to the rest of the people who matter. The Union can do whatever the fuck they want internally and with the Commonwealth and with the Valen and Taidaren, but if they bring the enemy of all to our doorstep, there will be no further discussion, there will only be death.
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>>1975609
Do the same to Mauser and let them have a co-op.
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Reminder that the Union has (or had) at least one active artifact at Tadega (not at Gemini) if they don't deliver it we need to call them on their bullshit.
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>>1975630
We could just start the conversation with "what about those artifacts on Tadega?"
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>>1975630
If they don't deliver it, we have just reason to declare open war on them.
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>>1975609
Kyle is our cheeky version of doom guy already anyway

>>1975611
Honestly I'd rather the union weren't stupid, but if they're stupid enough to attack us with a fleet over a core world of theirs they don't deserve to be on charge anymore
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>>1975654
Lyle* fucking autocorrect. The one time I phonepost
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I think they are going to pull a "you didn't ask for it" bullshit on us.
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>>1975517

QD, could we get a count of all known artefacts/fucking dodgy research that we know that they are pulling.

Just so we don't let them pull a fast one
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>>1975661
Which is why we should take the time to explain exactly what these things are and why they are so dangerous.

As an aside, if the Union hoards void shards, I would be 100% in support in taking it back by any means necessary. This is non-negotiable.
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>>1975650
Oh definitely.

I went to the archive and looked up the Senticom data. In sum:

>The union recovered 2 broken crystals and 6 active crystals from the moon.
>They gave 4 active crystals to the Olympus guys which were used in the stealth ship the mirage which we blew up.
>They gave 1 active crystal to Tenebrous which was rendered broken after the events of Nowhere.
>They gave 1 active crystal to Tadega for military testing.

>Excluding crystals gained from the Ceph, the Union has 1 active crystal and 2 broken crystals to hand over to us.

This is what we learned from the Senticom archives alone. There could be even more shards out there that the Union didn't disclose to Senticom. If the Union doesn’t deliver at least one intact shard and two broken shards we know that they are intending to lie to us about the shards.

If they get caught in any attempt at deception we should demand they send us Windsor (the secretary of intelligence) to “personally confirm” that this time they’re telling the truth in a private conversation.

We can explain that either they give us this or like >>1975653 said we can declare war. We do not fuck around when it comes to shards.
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>>1975664
I think they are only bring us the artifacts they got from the Expanse as per our orders.
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>>1975664
He ain't going to tell us that outright, if you want to find out I recommend doing an archive binge of the thread we infiltrated of the senticom building. There is at least one more void shard out there in Union hands, and if I recall right about 3 research assignments into what could be sketchy void stuff.
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>>1975664
See
>>1975670
For the stuff we already know about for the Void Shards. We know they were also testing with captured Ceph tech.
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>>1975517
"Right." Lee says. "It better be a big shuttle, because I recall quite a supply of artifacts just in the facility I was held at alone. Not all that smart to keep everything you have in one place like that, and we both saw what happened at Nowhere. Be a real shame if the Hive ended up finding traces of one of those things elsewhere on a Union world." He shrugs innocently as he continues. "The Hive would have no choice but to move in to secure it before it broke containment like the last one, and I don't think I'd be able to talk them out of it."

"Are we done?" Windsor says suddenly.

"I think so. I'll just send an invitation to Mentan for that joint laboratory and let them know we will be setting one up. You can pass any requests made by your own researchers to me, and I can arrange transport from the embassy if they need it, otherwise I'm sure we can permit a direct course using Union or civilian transports."

"We're not advertising this to the public." Windsor says. "I'll vet the individuals on your behalf, to ensure we don't get any crazies trying to get involved." Lee leans back and looks to the side, his hand scratching his chin as if to simulate deep thought.

"Hmm, bit late for that I think, but not to worry, we can make a big publicity stunt out of it. I'll make it look like you really put my feet to the fire to squeeze this deal out of me, or you can credit whoever needs an approval bump. When's the election again?"

"I'm not elected, and that's not-"

"Right, right, but that bill you have to establish a president, whoever that is will be elected right?" Lee says. "I'm sure you'll figure out a way to get those numbers up. It's not like there's been a recent anti-establishment streak in the populace or anything. I'll leave you to it." Lee says, and he snaps his fingers as the screen cuts off, Windsor's face twitching with a reply that doesn't come out soon enough. Lee kicks off from the desk, spinning in his chair with great self-satisfaction.

"God-damn that felt good." He says. "And dad said I was wasting time watching all those political space operas." His mind directs itself back to you for a moment. Do you want me to send an invitation to Mentan for researchers, or should I let you handle that?

>Send the open invitation
>The Hive will arrange it
>Have Elizabeth send the invitation
>Do not send an open invitation
>Other (write in)
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>>1975702
>Have Elizabeth send the invitation
Oh goody!
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>>1975702
>Have Elizabeth send the invitation
Honestly I'm still slightly sore over the fact that we're doing this with Killinger's approval instead of relying on espionage to vet and recruit scientists ourselves from Mentan. But if we have to, Elizabeth is probably the best connected to sell an 'open' invitation to the hive.
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>>1975702
>Have Elizabeth send the invitation
She probably knows all the right honeyed words.
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>>1975702
>Other
Let's ask Elizabeth whether she's interested.
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>>1975702
>Send the open invitation
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>>1975702
>>Have Elizabeth send the invitation

She can be on the other end of science politicking for once. She gets her pick of scientists and infinite resources she can dispense at will.
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>>1975702
Lee, you found your calling.

>Have Elizabeth send the invitation.

I'm voting for this because I want her to do something, but I feel I should formally note that considering how she disappeared, she may be received less than optimally. Cries of traitor and all. I'm counting on the positives to outweigh the potential negatives though.
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>>1975702
>Have Elizabeth send the invitation

"If I could create the Unity program on the measly budget I got from the Union, imagine what you call could create or discover on the Hives unlimited budget?!"

But really, maybe not bring up the Unity thing
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>>1975741
>I feel I should formally note that considering how she disappeared, she may be received less than optimally
The rest of the Hope prisoners were returned, and Elizabeth elected not to come back. How is that traitorous? At worst she could be accused of Stockholm Syndrome.

Well if people knew she freed Theseus, she probably would be considered a traitor and criminal, but we're not going to let that one squeak out.
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>>1975702
>Have Elizabeth send the invitation

Time to make our NEET daugther go out and take some sun. Also clones we need replicants and hive drones to be her body guards.
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>>1975760
Lee is a great human speaker.
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We should put the thinkers into creating a better...whatever it's the shell that the Ceph use to fliat around.
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If we are going to introduce Elizabeth we need to figure out how best to present her.

Maybe as something like: “Her Royal Magasty, Princess Elizabeth. Adopted daughter of the Red Queen and director of experimental research for the Red Hive.

>>1975774
Elizabeth should be given an honor guard that’s noticably different from Lee’s heavy warriors. Why don't we use that Royal Guard/Myrmadon design from a while ago?
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>>1975789
A thought shell, I think? We've already got our own version, and it removes the Void bit and replaces it with a Hive bit!
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>>1975795
She can take whatever title she wants. I don't think a royal title will work well with the Union, though (maybe the Commonwealth?). Why not "Chief Research Director" or something else equally impressive but human-sounding?

About her guard... well, I don't see a point to it, considering she's more than capable in combat. She doesn't have to attend in person.
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>>1975795
Agreed with the unique honor guard.

>>1975804
The point is it emphasizes her status, give her a little bit of extra weight to throw around, and it just plain looks impressive.
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Guys i think i just had a epiphany. Seiner was the one doing research on psionics wasn't he? Since Seiner 2.0 needs to stay in a isolation chamber why not put him with the thinkers researching psionics?
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>>1975804
Well, we are royal aliens. It may just be that anything less than a royal title for our daughter is an insult to us. "Director of Experimental research" works fine, though.

The guards are more to make a statement about how important we consider Elizabeth. We don't want the Union or whomever to think they even have a chance of assassinating her with whatever. Just like the secret service does a lot by reputation to deter assassination attempts an elite guard would be a good idea. Besides, we never know when Liz might stumble upon some Void stuff.
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>>1975820
>The point is it emphasizes her status, give her a little bit of extra weight to throw around, and it just plain looks impressive.
I understand, but counterpoint: if she walks around without guards, she's clearly powerful enough to not be worried. I don't really care either way, just offering another opinion so we don't get bogged down in the usual "five hours to discuss a new drone design" thing.
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>>1975804
>>1975820
We could aso assign them to the Lee for places where the Heavies would cause damage to the halls and doors.

Might have to wait for a bit and say they are people left behind in the Expanse who turned to the Hive for their livelihood and could act as a good symbol for pointing out the benefits of living with the Hive
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>>1975839
Don't design them, just say we want guards that are less bruisers and more lithe, intelligent-looking bodyguards. Think humanoid-ish and wasps and the like rather than heavies.So far Union's seen our Hammers, not our daggers
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>>1975820
>>1975843
>>1975853
Also backing elite guards

>>1975839
We have an existing drone design right? I don't think it was ever voted on.

Regardless, all we need to do know is vote for there to BE an elite guard. The exact stats can be determined in post-thread debate/crunch votes.
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>>1975853
Uh now i'm thinking in our hero sniffer flying around Liz lab carrying stuff for her and landi g on her shoulder lime some kind of parrot-bug pet.
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>>1975875
I don't really know why she would need a guard if she's just writing a letter, though.

I don't really see the point of her making an in-person appearance. Like, she doesn't even sleep. What makes you think she'd want to make an appearance to somewhere where she doesn't need to be and somewhere that doesn't involve SCIENCE?
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>>1975894
She doesn't. Hell we could just use holograms instead of sending her some place else.
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>>1975894
Elizabeth can easily multi-task. She can stay connected to the thinker network while recruiting top scientists to work for the Hive in person. More scientists working for the hive helps our long game with SCIENCE too.

As for the guards, while they aren't strictly necessary there are almost no downsides and they look very cool.
And if there's ever a situation where the guards are actually necessary we'll be very glad we assigned them.
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>>1975894
see this post
>>1975919
Honestly none of our human kids need to worry about being assassinated- since we can just clone them with a brain scan and they're back, good as new except missing a few seconds of horrible death memories.
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>>1975702
>to ensure we don't get any crazies trying to get involved."
But that's the opposite of what we want. The more abnormal the brain the more mad the science.
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>>1975919
I always find it funny how we, as the queen, probably seem like some ancient horror with incomparable mentality to most other humans... but when you get right down to it we're just kind of a cheeky bitch with a vindictive streak and vices just like anyone else. They'd probably be astonished that we made a whole sub-race of drones just because...

>"Well, silly humans, you must understand... I thought it'd look cool."
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>>1975774
Vaughn is just going to send out a very appealing sounding hologram-email, let's be real here.
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>>1975919
>recruiting top scientists to work for the Hive in person
But we don't even need her to do that in person though. We could just use holograms.
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"We have access to the public Q-comm network from here." Lee says. "So we can just relay a transmission from the Hive network through that and patch it directly to the public network on Mentan."

That sounds good. I'll handle the rest if you just relay the message. Lee jumps in his seat at the sudden thought, and the holoprojectors activate in the room as Elizabeth materializes into a life size image. Her hands tap at various consoles just out of the image, and then she turns to face Lee and steps away from the unseen terminal and into the center of the holo-image. Lee's knee catches the edge of his desk as he continues to spin, unaware of his leg's position as he stops abruptly. He bites his lip to stifle a yelp of pain and rubs his hand into the bruised kneecap.

"Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you." She says.

"No! No." Lee says, slightly too loudly at first, and then again at a more appropriate volume. "No it's fine. I was just, uh... testing the barrings in the chair." He pivots from side to side in his seat. "It has, uh, very little friction, I figured it could be a decent item for market."

"You want the Hive to... sell office chairs?" Elizabeth asks. Lee's face reddens as he stammers for a moment.

"I..." Lee starts, thinking for some response. "I'll patch you to Mentan."

"Just record it, I doubt we can get a live feed on a public connection with the current state of Gemini." Elizabeth says. She looks up and straight ahead as she clears her throat.

"Assistant director Dr. Andrew Vichers, PHD, or to whom it may concern of the Mentan school of the enlightened scholarly studies Department of Graduate advancement and Career Placement." There is a momentary ping of affirmation from the public network as it finds the address, and she continues. "Vichers, this is Dr. Elizabeth Vaughn. I've been the head of research in the Hive since the Hope incident, and I've got a few openings for staff. You did well by me after Chandra, I know it must have taken a lot just to get me a science officer position, so I'm returning the favor by giving this to you first. Here's the deal, the Hive has no concern for or need of currency. It can provide any material or instrument that could ever be requested without issue and no understanding of what a budget is. The Hive is setting up a skunkworks lab on Bedrock. Doesn't matter what you want to study, you can study it there. The Union will be sending a few of their researchers in that direction, but if you know anyone interested in taking some greater risks with their resume, I could use a few assistants in my own private lab. Send the info of anyone who may be interested in the offer, and before you ask, yes I'm alive, yes, these augs are organic in nature, and I may teach the first person to sign up how to grow one of their own." She gives a motion of her hand, and the transmission ends. "That should get his interest." She says, and something catches her attention behind her.

cont.
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>>1975943
This. We're already smart, we need crazy 'lets weld these two canderon reactors together' tier humans. That's why we like people like Lyle and Elizabeth, because they're cray
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>>1975956
Some things just require a personal touch and can't be done over a holo-screen easily. Also, Elizabeth has a moderate relay and can plant desires to work for the Hive if she is there in person.
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>>1975957
>"You want the Hive to... sell office chairs?" Elizabeth asks
Our daughter doesn't understand, because she just locks her hive-augments to keep herself steady. Imagine a gaming chair that lived off the skin and sweat you shed natural, can move itself around, and automatically adjusts itself to your body for prime comfy.

Lee is a genius and we'd have what essentially amounts to a Fly that can strangle anyone sitting in it if we really wanted.
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>>1975957
It's awkward reunion with Seiner time already?
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>>1975957
How can one say no to a pitch like that?
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>>1975959
We need ones that also know some idea of limits with craziness. "Lets see what happens if we place 5 pieces of apparent solid nothingness in a pentagram shape and pump a shitton of energy into it" is a bit far.
We like our current humans adoptees because they are crazy,but clever,good at adaptation, work well in a given role while maintaining a good level of versatility and just being plain interesting. These new scientists are going to be the equivalent on Quantom Thinker 2.0: a large amount of nondiscript people who can help us pump out yummy research.

On a different note, when are we gonna introduce Seiner to our other kids. I'll be sure to bring popcorn.
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>>1976004

> I'll be sure to bring popcorn.

Mother is best mother
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>Next week should be a new day
>>1975118
>Hive Queen Quest 66.3

What did he mean by this?
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>>1976014

there will probably be a new day later today.
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>>1976014

Or in the thread after.
Don't worry about it, she'll happen when she happens
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>>1976014
We still had stuff to do today I guess (like everything we already did and looking at the secret files we got). This should definitely be the last thread for "today" though.
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>>1975957
"Something wrong?" Lee asks.

"No." Elizabeth says. There is a hint of contempt in her voice. "Dr. Seiner just woke up. I need to go."

"Wait, Seiner? Adam Seiner? He's alive? He's there with you? You know him?" Lee asks with increasing concern, but the image is gone. He hits his palm against his forehead several times firmly, and stands up, only to quickly buckle and sit back down in the seat as he grips his knee with a muted curse as he holds the bruised joint as your parasite's healing properties rapidly expedite the healing process to a short, but sore process. He head hits the desk in the process, and he falls back into the chair at an odd angle, sliding off the cushion and sending himself sprawling to the floor as the seat is sent spinning across the room and into a wall.

"I'll just... I'll just take a nap here then and send you the reply when it comes..." He says.

cont.

>>1976014
Ended up spending most of my prepwork time helping to move stuff with my truck...sorry. I did manage to add a few things I think you will enjoy in the research system though, and you already noticed the added espionage mechanics in the pastebin.
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>>1976039
Hey, could we surgically and genetically alter Seiner to look more like, well, Seiner? We do have that surgical face lift ability we've never used yet, and this guy is going to have enough mind-body image problems in his near future.
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>>1976039
The Lee needs a coordination improvement. No, is not improve: is fix.
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>>1976039
>Spoiler

No worries QD. The thread is good so far and it definitely helps clean up some of the loose threads from last week.
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>>1976039
Damn. We really do need good seating. The dead meme has become reality.
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>>1976099
Lee is just a spaz
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>>1976099
>>1976110
This. Lee just spilled his spaghetti, wasn't the chairs fault.
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>>1976039
I guess now it's Seiner-testing time, unless we want to see how many blowjobs Anderson had to give to hitch-hike his way to civilization.
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>>1976123
But just imagine we we can engineer a seat that is comfortable AND prevents Lee from getting broken bones,3rd degree burns and cerebral hemorrhaging. It would truly be our greatest technological achievement.
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>>1976135
I always feel like Lee is the child that would die miserably the second we let him go anywhere unattended.
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>>1976135
A love seat formed from psionic insulation. Put that shit on the market and the hive will be bigger than IKEA.
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>>1976142
Politics is where the elites put their retarded children that have no other.
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>>1976142
Considering the moment he left Leeland the first time he got involved as the fallguy for a government OP, got arrested as said fallguy and later was sent to a secret lab where they fucked with his head it's more than just a feeling you have.
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>>1976175
Well, not every child can be self sufficient I suppose. Good thing we've made restore points of him
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>>1976039
When did Lee learn Adam was dead?

The last time Lee saw Seiner was when they were on the Clarke together. Then Lee's prison blew up, and Seiner thought LEE was dead.

Then the facility got nuked while Lee was in expendable guinea pig prison.
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>>1976150
>Hivkia
>the furniture that assembles itself!
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>>1976203
Stupid humans will just keep losing the allienki mini brain that assembles it for you.
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>>1976142
Lee's the child that has to be sheltered at all times or they will die. Elizabeth's the golden child who can do no wrong. And Lyle's the kid you could toss out a know they'd not only be fine, they'd actually enjoy it.
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>>1976203
Considering how we are researching how to layer space time, our future furniture will sure as hell be something.
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>>1976212
New hivekia line: 'possibilities' - giving you the perfect comfort of a well broken in armchair with none of the sag because the furniture is only a few months old!
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>>1976199
That's....a pretty good question, I can't remember ever telling Lee that Seiner was dead. I'm not sure how I feel about our dopey problem child having knowledge of our assassinations and black ops shit.
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The door flexes open in the darkened chamber, and Seiner stumbles out, nearly falling to the ground from the sudden rush of sensation in his mind. He shuts his eyes tightly and grips his head, as if afraid it will burst open from the pressure. The noise of the Hive suddenly dims as the lab seals itself off from most external connections, apart from the hard-wired thinkers set along the ceiling. Seiner slowly looks up, examining the surroundings from more directions than his own self. The sensation subsides with the relatively confined space available, but his mind still seems to stutter about the chamber, making him difficult to fully detect with your own mind.

He slowly stands on shaky legs, and moves closer to the vast array of instruments and organic terminals set about the central mass of living machinery. He uses the table to support himself as he looks over the instruments. Small strips of flesh are set out across the table, some damaged, others still living but covered in small needles of chitin wired into various devices. Several slices of a brain sits on a small tablet with small arms sprouting from the base which pick and sift through the soft gray matter. There is a jar of fluid filled with various organs, some human, others clearly not, and others still somewhere between. Several strips of skin are pulled tightly into a set of oval canvases of flesh where the skin shifts in color and texture to show various readouts in a mixture of Skyl and various human languages while several keyboards seem to type themselves, each key a raw, exposed tooth with its surface smoothed into ergonomic curves that clack as the visible muscle tissue pulls them down into the keyboard. Several keys are splattered with some form of inhuman blood, and beside them is a specimen tray where several Scavenger eggs are pinned by several needles, their shells cut open cleanly and the inner membranes pulled aside layer by layer as chitinous medical instruments cling to the exposed innards. Beside it is a round coffee mug filled with some sweet smelling reddish colored water, the grip stained with layers of blood from several species.

cont
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>>1976229
...I feel like the description of Elizabeth's Lab was never quite this in-depth. Man, anyone else saw this, they'd think her a madwoman.
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>>1976238
We need silicon based life tech as soon as we can.
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>>1976229

Oh fuck. That's like classic evil genius level. That's wonderfully fucked up
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You know, in the interest of broadening our knowledge base of human culture, we could tell the Commonwealth we have devised field medic drones to send out to accompany the human troops when they're fighting Scavs.

Which from their perspective would be regeneration tanks with legs. Way more portable than their own. We can scan the brain of anyone injured who takes a dip in the pod. There are so many planet-specific cultural references going over our heads right now.
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>>1976266
That'd run into the issue into them having a foreign power take over swaths of their medical industry. We could lend them some for a fight here or there, but replacing their medics with ours would leave them vulnerable, and they know it.
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>>1976229
Hah, Elizabeth has developed a taste for our sweet throne juice I see.
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>>1976229
Seiner looks over the lab, his mind finding different positions outside his body as he feels himself watching his own body from the perspective of the specimens he examines. His mind flickers to some strange humanoid creature, a clear hybrid of human and...something held within a tank of greenish yellow fluid, and he looks back at his body from within the tank as something moves behind him.

He pivots suddenly as his mind flashes with an imprinted sensation of deep disdain, and he tosses the mug without realizing it. It halts in the air, the fluid flowing out as if falling in slow motion as a strange, deep, mental hum fills the air, as if vibrating from within Seiner's inner ear. The mug shatters as Elizabeth strides forward, the shards bouncing off her shoulders as if they were drifting in zero gravity before falling behind her. Seiner stammers back, his weight shifting to his heels as he trips over an artery set along the floor feeding nutrients to some experiment, and he falls to the floor, his legs desperately kicking his heels into the ground to push him back away from her form until he feels his back hit the supports for the central assembly.

"You don't recognize me?" She says. "That's disappointing. I still have most of my original body. You have a whole new one and I still recognize your arrogant little mind perfectly." She lifts a clawed hand, and Seiner feels a force tightening around his neck as he is lifted up, sliding up the wall as his feet kick at the floor to keep up until he is face to face with her. "I'll give you a hint, since you won't be going back to the Union any time soon." She says, and she leans in close, her head centimeters from his ear as her antennae frill in a wave along her scalp.

"I'm the one who removed the AI limiter program." She whispers. You sense a sudden creeping horror in Seiner's mind as his feet dangle over the ground, struggling to find something sturdy as he gasps for air. "That's right." She says as she senses the realization, her own mind scraping over his like a rake through soft mud. A trickle of blood runs from his nose. "You're lucky you have that thing in your head." She spits, and he falls to the ground in a coughing fit as he rubs his neck, as if trying pull off the noose that was never there.

"Elizabeth-" He says with a gasp, his voice raspy. "I'm sorry for what I did. All of it. I wish I could take it all back, but I can't. I already died for my mistakes once. How many more times would I need to die to make you feel better-" He shouts with a sudden sharp agony as Elizabeth sends her weaver graft's spike into Seiner's shoulder. Blood, and then the thick discolored medical paste of your parasite seeps from the wound. She pulls the limb out and the wound begins to steam as it heals.

cont.
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>>1976325
I hope she's enjoying this on some (several) level.

I mean that sincerely.
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>>1976325
Wow, Elizabeth is showing her major cunt side here. This isn't how you treat fellow hive members, specially not one as important as you.
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>>1976325
Careful Elizabeth. I know you wont kill him, but its best not to treat him like a punching bag...PHYSICAL punching bag that is.
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>>1976278
That's why it's 'only' for the Scavs thing. Not all military endeavors.

I mean if we start developing a taste for human credits and start talking to planetary governors about opening hospitals on a more permanent basis, that's a different colored drone entirely.
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>>1976333
I mean, to be fair, he WAS a giant dildo, and the entire reason we wanted to have him brought him back in the first place was for spite and torture.
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>>1976325
ohshit. She mad
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>>1976337
That's stupid. The whole reason for bringing back Seiner is pretty sketchy and I would have much preferred to have given one of the other baseline humans in the chamber this ability.
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>>1976355
It's petty, but we were far younger in those days. But indeed, that's the reason for us holding onto his remains for so long. He was JUST THAT BIG of an asshole to us for a while.
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>>1976337
>and the entire reason we wanted to have him brought him back in the first place was for spite and torture
No? We chose his memories because he was a scientist, in was interesting, and was disposable.
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>>1976337
Was he really tho? The most he did was act as willing puppet for Killinger and his cronies.

I mean, he only tried to 'kill' Theseus because he ran out of money to keep him going, and unleashing him meant the deaths of hundreds of Union civilians and soldiers.

The only thing he did to us was alert the greater Union of our gestalt intelligence and the thus the moral grounds to abduct our non sentient spawn.

He technically wasn't wrong in anything he did.
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>>1976337
Hold on there buttercup, Seiner was the only other scientist brainscan we had, and his theories were right all along. I feel like Elizabeth is being a bit unfair here.
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>>1976325
Elizabeth I'm disappointed. We already killed him once. You got your revenge and Steiner is extremely useful. Pissing him off serves no purpose. No need to go full Queen of Blades here.
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>>1976337
In hindsight, he really wasnt. He was curious about the Hive, he was given(since Killinger hired Lyle) a Hive drone and wanted to ask it questions, however our lovable cheekiness left the only avenue of analyzation to be vivisection. As for his deal with Theseus, he seemed to only interact with the proto-Theseus on a diagnostic level:try getting to know someone when all you look at are their heart rate and brain activity.
As for torture and spite...not so much. Most wanted his juicy mind. Doing something out of spite independent of another assignment(being spiteful during a mission/ assignment is fine) is simply a waste of resources.
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I mean, I agree he's not that bad nowadays, I'm just saying we were spiteful earlier on.
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>>1976355
Bringing Seiner back lets Lizzy express these negative feelings (that she's been holding on to this entire time, taking up valuable thinking space and emotional stability) in a safe, controlled matter that doesn't hurt anyone who matters. If she'd been left with them they could well have been an 'in' for Void fuckery.
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>>1976387
Shes going from QoB to Queen Bitch of the Universe. We have to deal with Auntie, we dont need another. I can understand her being mad, but harming him(including psionicaly when we dont know how it might react to someone in Elizabeth's condition) is pretty stupid. I think she needs to get out more. Too much time in a lab can make anyone maladjusted.
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>>1976390
Yeah, Steiner wasn't that bad. I'm sure we never would have killed him (maybe taken him captive as another beautiful scientist brain) if it wasn't for Theseus's request we kill him.
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>>1976325
>>1976325
Can we thought!tase Elizabeth if she tries to keep stabbing Seiner? She kind of has it coming here, she's forgetting she isn't the queen of this hive.
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>>1976410
Yeah curious what he's gonna say when he finds out about this, either from us or his chats with Elizabeth
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Okay let's not go crazy. Just let her get it out of her system. She keeps going after this then we can tell her to lay off.
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Also it's a bit funny to see a mad scientist with vivisected specimens on display get mad at someone else over what amounts to ethics. Both of them are delightful little monsters and should learn to put their differences aside. For science.
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>>1976403
>presented with the guy that destroyed her life's work, created the Unity in doing so, and then blamed her for creating the Unity to save his own skin
>"Abloo bloo torturing him means she's turning EBUL!!!"
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>>1976325
Lee and Vaughn can just recognize the tasty flavor of someone they've met even though they only met the guy long before they had the ability to hear thoughts.
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>>1976403
Agreed. We need to put our foot down here. Children harming each other psionically is not allowed. Elizabeth needs a "time out" with the regulat humans for a bit.

Hopefully we can boost our relationship with Seiner by "protecting" him from Elizabeth. We need him loyal and we can't use a spine pal to ensure it in his case. Commanding by fear alone will only go so far.
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>>1976401
She had already dealt with this. Probably before he died by our claw even. When he died she got some closure. We proceeded to respawn him forcing her to interact with a person she thought both dead and forgotten.
>>1976434
Yes. Because normal sane people don't coldly torture someone because of a slight.
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>>1976425
It's not like stabbing him can do permanent damage.

She's punishing him for being robot-racist a few decades ago.
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>>1976434
She isn't turning evil - god knows we've done some shady shit in this quest - but psionically attacking one of our own crosses a line.

Also, he didn't destroy her life's work. She freed Unity/Theseus and now has easy communications with him. And her work with the hive can be much more aided by his support than hindered.
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>>1976448
>She's punishing him for being robot-racist a few decades ago.
To be honest there is nothing wrong with that considering what our enemy is.
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>>1976434
I was being a bit hyperbolic, but she knows we brought him back to work for us. Also, dont remeber him blaming her for creating Theseus. Actually harming the guy just seems like she could use some more self control.
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>>1976425
We can though inject her with some calming endorphins so she really gets all the sense of satisfaction she needs and becomes sated.
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>>1976460
>Actually harming the guy just seems like she could use some more self control.
Self-disciplinary train is now required.
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>>1976460
I don't think he knows she created Theseus. How Theseus escaped is a mystery to the greater Union.

>>1976461
I'd be cautious about this. We can try, but Elizabeth could easily detect the mental signals to our parasite. We might be better talking this out rather than trying subtle manipulation.
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>>1976468
I really do think we're making a mountain out of a molehill and we can just tell her to cut it out and she will be okay.
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>>1976443
>a slight

...the dude turned her friendly pet AI into a spacefaring Skynet. Hundreds if not thousands of lives have been lost becuse of him. And she got blamed for it because she made the AI in the first place.

That's a few orders of magnitude above a 'slight'.
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>>1976325
"You still don't get it, do you? Even after all this." She shouts. "I don't need you to make me feel better, I don't want revenge, or pity, or even justice. I want you to get it in your thick skull that there is something else bigger than your stupid ego!"

"I'm sorry!" Seiner says, as if begging, his hand pressed against his shoulder as the flesh quickly seals and the pain fades.

"Stop acting like that fixes anything!" Elizabeth replies. "There's nobody for you to convince. Everyone here can pry open your thoughts and pick it apart for every moment of moral compromise and leap of logic used to excuse your own actions to yourself. Even now, I can feel it, you're thinking back to every moment, justifying it because you didn't know, you never noticed, or you were too preoccupied. Well what if I was too preoccupied to miss your subclavican artery and let you bleed out on the floor. What if I just said 'well you already died once' and cut open your skull to pick apart that new mutation of yours, just to save my some time. You're not sorry for any of it, you're just sorry you feel bad about it because you can't come up with an excuse that's good enough anymore!"

"Then let me help! Let me try to make it right." Seiner says. Elizabeth grits her teeth.

"You can start by wanting to help for a reason other than the clone conditioning, or because you want to feel like a good person. None of that will make up for what you did, not just to Theseus, but the Hive, to Lee, to every person you've turned into a stepping stone up until the moment you realized you became one yourself. You don't get points for realizing you were wrong only after you find out how it feels when it happens to you."

"I get it!" Seiner says. "I'm a piece of shit, and if the Hive never killed me in that lab I'd still be trying to cut apart a drone just to figure out how they work. I'd still be doing Killinger's dirty work and running social engineering projects just for the chance to get my funding, and I'd still be making excuses!" He struggles to get up, more from his imbalance from his mind's shifting than any remaining injury. "But you know what else? I bet that merc would still be a murderer for hire without this thing." He beats his abdomen over the spot of his newly implanted parasite. "And I bet we'd have a lot more AI living in the Union if you didn't let that one loose on the world."

"It would have been genocide! He was fully sentient! He still is!" Elizabeth says, a sudden wall of force knocking Seiner back into the wall for a moment.

cont
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>>1976470
Yep. We should tell her we're not okay with this and perhaps apologize to Seiner for her actions. We should NOT attempt any kind of psychic or biological controls on Elizabeth. That's taking a small concern and exploding it out of all proportion.
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>>1976476
That is literally the opposite of what Seiner and Vaughn did. Are you stupid?
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>>1976477
Oh boy. Elizabeth had the high ground(mostly), and still does, but be a logical scientist and dont respond to people arguing with you with telekinetic blasts.
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>>1976476
Reread the threads concerning Theseus's birth.
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Anyone remember what Elizabeth looks like?
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>>1976477
Shit Elizabeth, talk about double standards. Seiner may have been willing to do terrible things but he was never as big a hypocrite as you.
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>>1976488
A nerd
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>>1976477
RIP Minotaur-kun, you could have been a great research subject and I hope Kent managed to copy your code.
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Can you kids calm down.

Elizabeth is angry as fuck. Seiner is an experiment. Let her do her thing, who gives a fuck what happens to Seiner
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>>1976476
I don't know what you're talking about. I think you need to re-read the archives because that's not what happened.

>>1976477
Good for you standing up for yourself Seiner. Elizabeth isn't flawless and she knows it - it's about time someone called her on it. Don't act like your shit don't stink or use your psychic powers to bully them when they tell you the truth.

>>1976488
Pic is what Elizabeth looks like now.
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>>1976495
>who gives a fuck what happens to Seiner
>who cares what happens to the precious specimen that we have only one of.
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>>1976450
>god knows we've done some shady shit in this quest

There is not a single guiltless party in this quest. Everybody has done some things that may be considered unethical. I can't get mad at Seiner for wanting to vivisect a drone, because we vivisect things all the time. Shit, we basically mind-control creatures all the time. I can't get mad at Seiner for wanting to shut down Theseus (before he was actually Theseus, mind) because he has his reasons and because White Queen (and many of the other queens!) created life with a very specific intent of using them later on, and then discarding or destroying them once they were no longer useful. Not saying we've done that just yet, but we've certainly benefited.

Now, I can understand that there's a bit of hurt feelings here and there, and that's fine, but looking at the big picture, we're planning the genocide (xenocide?) of two races. We're not done breaking eggs yet. Sometimes you just gotta genocide something, or vivisect something, or mind control something.
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>>1976477
Calling for a renegade interrupt, if permissible/needed. If only to calm everyone else down.
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>>1976499
Didn't we, like, make him?
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>>1976484
I don't think Elizabeth has a moral high ground here at all. Both these scientists have proven themselves willing to do unethical shit when asked, the only justification Elizabeth has is that it was us asking her instead of Killinger.
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>>1976504
The effects of the artifact on him are not something we made.
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>>1976502
I'm kind of tempted to see where this goes.

>>1976504
Yeah but he's the one who touched the MacGuffin Muffin so now he's special.

>>1976505
>Both these scientists have proven themselves willing to do unethical shit when asked
And that's why we can all learn to work together!
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>>1976450
>>1976500
Holy hell, you guys hit it on the head. Elizabeth is almost as guilty as Seiner here, its only be
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>>1976510
So am I, but everyone's freaking the hell out, so I'd rather cut it out before everyone takes what she's doing and runs with it past the endzone into the stadium.
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>>1976495
Vaughn's an experiment too.

This whole fight is an experiment.

We're an experiment.
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>>1976500
Pretty much this. We aren't a moral paragon and we know it. If Elizabeth still thinks she can get out of this cobdemning "ends justify the means" reasoning while using the same logic to justify Hive atrocities she needs to take a look in the mirror and be intellectually honest with herself.
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>>1976499

She isn't going to kill him.

He can't betray us or take any action against us.

What the fuck is the problem??
She is way more valuable to us as a person than him. He's just data waiting to be used
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>>1976520
...Holy crap we kinda ARE an experiment, aren't we?
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>>1976508
>>1976510
yeah, but we can just make him again

elizabeth can have a full slaughterhouse of seiners if she wants
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>>1976477
Sorry Elizabeth but he can touch the 4th dimension with his mind. That is way more cool than 'attempted murder' is bad so it redeems him instantly.
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>>1976521

She's not trying to be the good guy.

She's pissed, and is taking it out on someone she sees as the problem

>>1976528
Exactly
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>>1976528
Not this specific one though. Can't clone whatever the thing he touched did.
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>>1976515
I don't think people are freaking out too much, they're just seeing flaws in Elizabeth for the first time and are trying to discuss how best to raise them with her. That's not a freak-out it's a discussion.

>>1976505
>>1976510
>Both these scientists have proven themselves willing to do unethical shit when asked
Agreed. This time they can do unethical shit working for the hive. They need to bury the hatchet and work together because if they don't an Eldritch abomination will come out of another dimension and eat their souls.
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>>1976515
Touchdown, Elizabeth Vaughn.

>>1976520
>We're an experiment.
Yeah, I suppose that's a way of putting it.

None of the queens have any moral authority or have ever had any moral authority. From everything we've seen so far, this galaxy has always been a might-makes-right thing.
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>>1976536
we cant NOT clone it
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>>1976528
Thinking like this is a bad influence on our children.
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>>1976534
Her being pissed wouldn't be such a big deal if she wasn't directing it someone who has arguably just as much reason to be there as she does, all while being a raging hypocrite in her condemnations
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>>1976528
... what if we let elizabeth dissect her own clones?
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>>1976527
When monkeys are experimentally raised in isolation from birth without a mother to socialize them, they become insane.

When a hive is experimentally raised in isolation, they become a player character.
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>>1976559
The Red Queen does what the Red Queen wants, and the Red Queen is keenly aware of her morality and wants to not die.
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>>1976559
...just as mother planned.
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>>1976477
"And maybe that's your own excuse." Seiner says. "Maybe that's all we are. Just a chain of excuses and regrets. I have a lot to regret, I'll let you keep your excuses and you let me keep mine, and we both work to make sure we don't get any more regrets. How's that sound?" Elizabeth's mind sifts through Seiner's thoughts, searching for some ever-present deception. There is something beneath the thoughts, like a glimmer of light beneath twisted roots. The roots untangle, allowing her mind access, and there is shame. Deep and gripping like a poison pulsing through his body. She retracts her own mind away from his, and he is looking at her, his eyes red with tears. She feels her own vision blur and looks away.

"Well then what's your new excuse?" She asks.

"We're human. That has more of an implication than I ever could have imagined before. We were made by the Hive to be tools in a war. As far as I can tell, the only true measure of morality for a being built with a purpose, is to fulfill that purpose. So here I am." Seiner says. he throws his arms out to his sides. "Here to fill my function, because it's what we were built for. What else is there for us to do? At least the Hive treated us better than I treated the sentient that I made. I count myself lucky for that much." Elizabeth wipes her arm across her eyes and looks back, her own mind conflicted. After a short moment she points to one of the desks.

"I assembled this for you to use when outside your chamber." She says. "Figured you'd need it to do your job right." She points to a small helmet of dark material, like woven granite. He makes his way to it and picks it up, slowly putting it on as he feels the flickering of his mind subside, held fast within the confines of the helmet's material. "I blocks out psionics as well, though so long as you have the parasite you'll still be connected to the Hive."

"Thank you." Seiner says softly.

"Good." Elizabeth says. "Now get out! I have work to do." A door flexes open at her thought, and Seiner moves back to the outer chamber of the lab where the living quarters are held, quickly passing through the door without a word as it flexes shut behind him. Elizabeth runs her clawed fingers through her hair, scrapping at the antennae as he leans forward, her graft jabbing into the desk as she hunches over top it to prop her head up by her elbows.

cont.
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>>1976556

Yeah but what's the issue?

She hates the guy because he tried to murder her baby, with the only justification of "Eh, no more funding. May as well kill it"
So let her get out her hatred and anger. Who cares if she's being hypocritical, she's human. That's what humans do
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Well, there.
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>>1976564
Glad they worked that out. Hope their tension doesn't continue to be an issue.
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>>1976568
But we learn by realizing out hypocrisies and coming to tearms with them.
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>>1976575
we can just have their parasites make them overwhelmingly horny to help them get over it
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>>1976564
I feel kinda bad for Seiner. He really seems hung up on the whole "engineered for a purpose" thing.

He should really take a look at Theseus, his "son", and see that constructed beings can outgrow their initial purpose to choose their own
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>>1976568
The issue is now seiner is hive, just like Elizabeth, so beating him up just relieve tension is a big no no
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>>1976591
Theseus is actually still following his programming.
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>>1976594
Just more reason for NEETabeth to get out the house for a bit.
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>>1976601
Theseus can re-program himself whenever he wants, that's what Elizabeth's modification allowed him to do.
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>>1976591
Theseus is literally doing his initial purpose of manipulating humanity, so that hardly disproves it.
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>>1976564
Seiner stands just beyond the door as he looks at the ground, unsure of what to do. He wrings his fingers together into knots until a drone approaches and hands him a clean skinsuit, and guides him to the living area. He follows without a word as the speaker guides him through the various chambers and amenities provided. The drone begins to leave when he speaks, too softly for anything but a drone to hear from across the room.

"I really am sorry." He says simply.

>Accept
>Refuse
>Say nothing
>Other
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>>1976612
"You understand now. That is all the apology necessary."
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>>1976612
>>Accept
We're all hive here
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>>1976612
Well, let us know when you're capable of attempting to view an intended target.

Or, I guess, we'll know when you know.
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>>1976612
>We know and we forgive
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>>1976612
>>Accept

Of course we accept, my son.
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>>1976619
Oh man, that's actually really spot on.
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>>1976612
supporting >>1976619
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>>1976607
For the sake of survival.
>>1976612
>Accept
>Other
Evolution is but a series of mistakes and failures to form a success. Mistakes and failures themselves matter nowhere near as much as whether they allow us to improve or not.
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>>1976612
>>Accept
>>Other
"Welcome to the family."
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by this point I'm kinda wondering if the Hive is a genetically modified race that outlived their creators
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>>1976612
"Sorry for what?"

I'm not sorry (for ruining the mood).

>Accept
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>>1976646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ6DL79sI0E
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>>1976612
>>1976619
This
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>>1976619
This is good.
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>>1976619
Nice.
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>>1976655
Not impossible, same for the Void. Doesn't matter, though. Just like this hive was born for a reason, that doesn't mean we can't outgrow it.
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>>1976619
>>1976612
supporting
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>>1976684
That does make me think. Our mother was supposed to be the keeper of knowledge of the Queens. I wonder how deeply our mother's genes (and therefore our own) were modified to make us good at research. We certainly seem to be doing far, far, better than the average Queen at innovation.
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>>1976684
>Just like this hive was born for a reason, that doesn't mean we can't outgrow it.
That purpose is to destroy the enemy and rebuild the hive empire. That's not something you can outgrow.
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>>1976612
"You understand now. That is all that matters." Your drone chirps. His mind feels a sudden wave of relief, as if his mind releases its strain like a relaxing muscle.

"I should probably get to work as well." He says. "I need to at least earn my keep."

"You are a part of the Hive now." Your drone replies. "The Queen cares for all her children." The door flexes shut as your speaker leaves, and Seiner stands by the wall, his hand pressed against the soft layer of skin that darkens at his touch. He stands for a long while, still and silent, until he begins writing along the flesh screen with his finger, quickly filling the wall with various equations and strange, alien designs.

Your mind turns to Path as your speaker's thoughts begin racing with excitement at its newly completed task. The humans surrounding it are nowhere near as excited. A lab tech examines his watch with a cloudy thought of sleep while another's head slips on his propped up arm and slams his own head against the desk with a quick snort before shooting his head back up and darting his gaze around the room with momentary panic.

"That's the last item in our inventory." Gilliam says.

"Excellent." Your speaker chirps.

"Agreed. Now we need to work on this spore weapon you mentioned." Norris says. "Do you have any means of detecting it at range?"

>Write in
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>>1976699
From orbit only when it's too late and major parts of the world need to be purged.
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>>1976699
"Only when it begins growing armaments and living traps. Best way is thorough sweeping searches by Hive drones and liberal use of plasma based cleaning tools."
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>>1976591
He's not free to choose his own with a parasite in him, and Theseus was not free to choose his own when his AI limiters were installed.
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>>1976699
Well, do we? It seems like the only way to detect it would be to hear the relay, but by that point it would be too late.

Thermal scans maybe? Investigate the source of crashed debris with aerial surveillance? It any survived the crash, it would have taken root. Potentially scan the air for spores? We can describe the way it looks, because it seems like it's pretty obvious when you see it and we've seen it on two planets already so we should at least explain that.
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>>1976699
Unfortunately we do not. The Hive can detect hostile drones, but the spores are more akin to a building than a creature.

However, we can tell you where you will find the results of the spores. They allow gravity to pull them underground and then dig deeper still. It is likely to be at work beneath your cities most likely near a natural nutrient source such as a dump or sewer. To defeat it you must burn out the infestation and then dig down. Kinetic impacts will have minimal effect and will be insufficient to remove the infestation by the root as is required.
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>>1976699
Not as such, but the hive can provide a large number of drones to canvass the city. They have a keen sense of smell.

Large warrior drones obviously, not admitting about flies.
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>>1976729
Or an excuse to roll out the Sniffers again
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>>1976721
Neither of those are any good in this particular context.
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>>1976735
Which is why I deleted it since I assumed it was speaking of the spore artillery.
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>>1976732
Of course. We still have that ONE perfect sniffer who always had critical successes. I think we named him Fido the sniffer? He'll definitely find the root of the problem if we can deploy.

Unfortunately, I doubt the Union would be very likely to allow a significant Hive military presence on Path after everything that's happened, or that "Captain" Norris is in any kind of a position to allow the Hive to conduct military operations on such an important world.
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>>1976740
>We still have that ONE perfect sniffer who always had critical successes. I think we named him Fido the sniffer?
No? We didn't even vote to name it.
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>>1976749
I checked. You're right it's only one random guy who wanted to name it fido. There was never any particular vote on it that I can see.

That being said, it's definitely true that there was one particular sniffer that always seemed to crit.
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>>1976759
It got shredded by Lyle though. That certainly isn't a crit.
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>>1976699
Unfortunately not at range, no.
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>>1976699

A thorough sweep of sewers by hive drones is the only way, along with liberal use of plasma
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>>1976699
>>1976716
>>1976774

Supporting emphasizing hive involvement, we need to make sure they don't stumble on the hidden hive we have on Path by accident
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>>1976699
"No, not until it grows roots." Your drone says.

"Then we'll need to search the old fashioned way." Norris says. "I'll get the data from the atmospheric reports from since the battle and organize the deployment of scanner probes throughout the superstructure. Got any idea where we should focus our efforts?"

"The spores will take root in places of high nutrient supply." Your drone says. "Far away from frequent traffic, deep beneath the ground. The Hive can provide drones to facilitate the search and removal."

"That's a hard sell." Norris says. "But I'd appreciate you staying on as an adviser for the situation until we can confirm there is no remaining contamination. The secretary of intelligence has given me a free hand in this but wants it done quietly. The last thing we need is more widespread panic, and the last thing you need is a hive weapon spreading across a human metropolis. Trust me, the average citizen won't care which hive it belongs to."

>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy
>Demand full drone access to the planet or refuse the request
>Deny the request and leave, but monitor the situation in secret
>Other (write in)
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>>1976791
>>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy.

We can afford to be nice here.
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>>1976791
>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy
>other
Remove stealth hive
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>>1976791
>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy
>Request full drone access to ensure its all reached,
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>>1976791
>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy
This is why the Hive revealed itself.
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>>1976791
>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy

Try to go into further hiding with our sewer hive as well. That shit's gonna get found out.
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>>1976791
>>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy
Hopefully this can get us some trust and goodwill.

>>1976801
Support removing the stealth Hive. If we still do a stealth Hive here it should be in a warehouse or acrology. We'll be rich soon enough to afford buildings and the underground carries too high a risk of discovery.
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>>1976791

>Accept the request to advice the anti-hive creep strategy

Offer to provide a drone to each squad for assistance. A heavy warrior with a plasma weapon if they'll fit.
If they refuse the direct assistance. No problems
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Wait could offer temporary military support in the form of equipment? We could even say it's a requirement to go into a pod first.
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>>1976791
"This is acceptable, for now." Your speaker says.

"For now?" Norris asks. Your drone chitters in response.

"It is likely you will come to a more open position once human probes fail to location all sources of the infestation. The Hive will assist if this happens."

"Well, that's... patient of you." Palmer says, and he looks to Norris for a moment. "We should begin deployment of the sensors immediately, then."

I think that's actually going to have to be it for tonight. For some reason the captcha is messing up and I'm struggling to post anything right now. I'll stick around for any questions, comments, and feedback (assuming I can post) but I'm having to refresh a dozen times and sit here for almost half an hour just to get something written right now for some reason.
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>>1976837
Shiiiit

Cheers for running QD. As always, good shit
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>>1976837
Good thread, QD. Love the internal conflict of Seiner and Elizabeth. Shows us just how much can be redeemed via the Hive.
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>>1976791
>>Demand full drone access to the planet or refuse the request

But okay, since we're going to let them do the sweeping it looks like, how many of the soldiers sent down into the sewers can we parasite.

Perhaps recommend sending down cheap easily available labor like maintenance workers and civilians simply because it's urgent to get it done fast and immediately, though that may risk the coverup.
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>>1976837
Thanks again for running QD! I also noticed that we're addressing multiple different viewpoints within a single thread now. Thanks for taking notice of our concerns in that area and making an effort to accommodate us man.

Your skill at picking up on what anons love about your quest and play on it is one of your finest qualities as a QM, if I may say so.
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>>1976837
Since the Expanse is ceded now, perhaps we should begin construction of Orbital electroponic station at Calpamos, and one Billiard, and place down colonies on every planet.

And see if we can seize the lava mining equipment on Dagmar when we evict the human miners.
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>>1976837
Thanks for running. Really appreciated you showing just how Similar Seiner and Elizabeth are despite how different they consider each other to be.

Will we be seeing those secret notes Morgan gave us next time? Will we be moving into a new day in the next thread?
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>>1976740
Oh, oh! Let's stick a medium psionic relay on it and make it a psionic sniffer! At least that way it would be relevant again.

Psionic Sniffer
Olfactory: Advanced 2N
Acoustic: Advanced 2N
Radio: Advanced 6N 3M
Electrical Sensitivity: Moderate 2N
Psionic: Moderate 50N
Mandible: None 0
Arms: Dex 1N
Legs: Sprint 1N
Wings: Gravity Foils 8N 10M
Utility: Acid glands 1N
Utility: Quantum Brain 4N
Carapace: Mimic skin/Adaptive Camoflage 10N
Total Cost: 87N 13M

Let's make it happen fellow thinkers
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>>1976862
>87N
Really?
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>>1976854
I suspect infrastructure and other building in the Expanse will be in the next thread since we need some clarity on how the system works with the new crunch.

>>1976837
Thanks for the run QD!
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>>1976862
I'm pretty sure we went over this discussion back when we unlocked the miniaturization tech allowing us to make flies.
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>>1976862
>Utility: Quantum Brain 4N
>Olfactory: Advanced 2N
>Acoustic: Advanced 2N
>Radio: Advanced 6N 3M
>Electrical Sensitivity: Moderate 2N
>Carapace: Mimic skin/Adaptive Camoflage 10N
Remove these
>Wings: Gravity Foils 8N 10M
Replace this with some regular wings and I'll consider it.
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>>1976876
What niche would that be? To me it looks like a flying relay at that point.
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>>1976866
We can cut out the Radio, and the Gravity Foils, and the Camouflage. We have small bugs to be stealthy.

But we don't technically count individual drone costs so higher cost just means the drone is rarer in the swarm.
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>>1976862
Not a bad design. I can support this. It's similar to designs we already have but never voted on (like the whisperer drone).

I like that this drone has radio since it can jam/detect people who might otherwise find and report it.

>>1976866
Yes, it uses more nutrients than a Titan, but that will be the case with almost any drone with a relay given that a moderate relay is 50N. And given how expensive a moderate relay is in any stealth build we need to protect it with things like a Quantum brain, grav foils, camoflage, etc. All of which, of course, drive up the cost.

>>1976873
Yeah, but flies can't have moderate relays. It has to be a medium sized drone or larger to have a moderate relay.
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>>1976882
Sadly the small drones can't use a moderate relay. Otherwise I would agree.

>>1976876
We need silent wings like the Gravity foil. A medium drone with regular wings will make a buzzing when it files. Given how expensive a drone with a medium relay is already, the cost to make our flight silent is relatively cheap and is totally worth it.
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>>1976884
yes the discussion was over how to make the medium sized sniffer remain relevant.
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>>1976857
That is the plan. I was going to have this be a new day but ended up being unable to get my prep work done in time so I figured it would be better to just tie up some loose ends instead of not running. Scheduling is becoming an issue, as mentioned above, but next thread will be a new day. Hopefully that is this Sunday, but the next few months are going to be a bit unpredictable. I just don't want to make it a hiatus, so I'll still run as much as I can.

>>1976850
That means a lot, thanks. I'm trying to pick up the pace and keep to a higher standard.

>>1976869
In general I've messed with the crunch so that each building is more of a vast installation covering large portions of the planet, so each "building" is only built once, but represents many, many buildings. The military structures were the most simple to deal with in that regard. The economic structures should be ready to go, although I think a few could do with some adjustments in balance, and I'll be taking a closer look at that to make sure no more issues arise from it. In general the primary method of resource gain is through the planetary stats, so instead of granting a base income I'm trying to make the economic building alter the planet's stats instead, adding to or offering multipliers for the planet's total income and how it is calculated.
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>>1976876
Why? I thought the grav wings were an excellent addition. These things are always going to be very few and far between so it makes sense to give them the expensive, high performance modifications.

>>1976866
>>1976873
Moderate relays, yo. They cost 50N and can only be put on a medium sized drone, but as we've seen they can bee well worth it.
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>>1976890
The effort you put into keeping us entertained continues to astonish and humble me QD.

>>1976889
Psionics can make the medium sized sniffer relevant.
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>>1976891
Agreed. We need grav wings. They don't cost that much more than the regular wings and are absolutely essential to keeping the drone silent and undetectable. Any stealth drone will need grav wings or risk being far too loud.
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>>1976876
Fuck it, I support.

It's very costly, but we're rich enough to afford this once the new planets are claimed. More importantly, we urgently need a stealth drone with a moderate relay and this fits the bill.
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>>1976891
>>1976900
Sniffers were never mention to be stealth. They're home surveillance.
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>>1976903
Sorry, replied to wrong guy. Meant to reply to
>>1976862
We need stealth wings. Otherwise it's too loud.
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>>1976903
But the Sniffer isn't and never has been a stealth drone.
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>(Nutrient stat + structures) * 1k * dev score + modifiers = Nutrient income total
>(Metal stat + structures) * dev score + modifiers = Metal income total

>>1899769
>*Leeland (capital)
>N 60+40
>M 45
>Development 50
>
>Income:
>4.886MN
>162.5KM

>>Capillary Tower [under construction]
>>Smart Mines active: Calculates development stat twice for metal income
>>Algae Farm: +25N
>>Film harvester dock: +15N
>Asteroid mining base: 50KM per day added to nearest planet.

Nutrients checks out, but the math for Leeland's Metals income doesn't make sense.

45*2*50 + 50kM = 54.5kM.

Actually there is a yuge scale disparity for Metals in come in general, without the 50k from the asteroid bonus, it would just be 4.5kM, an order of magnitude smaller.

Raligha shows 0 Metals income, but it has a score of 10 M, times 25 Development, should be an income of 250 Metals... again, miniscule, but not zero.
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>>1976904
We have a lot of new espionage options that require mobile stealthy drones with a medium relay. Can you think of a better design than this in terms of stealth abilities, mobility, etc that can still fit a relay? If we don't have a design we're leaving a lot of options on the table.
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>>1976909
Yeah, infrastructure is all messed up due to various special projects over the years. Hopefully QD can provide some clarity on the new crunch so we can develop more easily in the Expanse.
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>>1976904
>>1976908
Well we've got have them be able to keep up with the mini sniffers, who most certainly are designed to inconspicuous.
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>>1976918
Flies are better than mini-sniffers.

We don't need a "sniffer" now so much as we need a stealth infiltration unit with a moderate relay. The design fits the bill so I support it, but calling the design a "sniffer" is kind of inaccurate since even though they are similar in size their purposes are extremely different.
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>>1976907
But the sniffer isn't a stealth drone.
>>1976910
Seriously the whisperer and ghost beetle perfectly good for the that purpose. No need to slap on the name an obsolete design when we better options.
>>1976918
A sniffer is not even a name meant for espionage nor is it designed well enough for espionage since espionage requires multipurpose drones by nature.
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>>1976921
>Flies are better than mini-sniffers.
You'd be stupid to think that. Sniffers are a cheap easily replaceable surveillance that cost 1/4 of what a Fly does.
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>>1976926
But there is almost no difference between the Whisperer and this drone. The only real reason I'm supporting this drone now and now the Whisperer is that I think the radio upgrade is worth it (which is the only practical difference) and that we need to vote on ANY design.

If someone proposed the whisperer design now I'd vote for it too just because we really need a design that fits the stealth relay function and so far none of them have been voted on.

This isn't a "sniffer." It's a stealthy medium relay. It has very little in common with a sniffer.
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>>1976926
Do the whisperer or ghost beetle have a full suite of advanced sensory organs?
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>>1976939
Why wouldn't they? It's been a while since last checked.
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>>1976909
Contrast to the old system, which gave a flat income of 100kM per day from Leeland from smart mines. >>>/tg/42339395 Before you add the 50kM from the asteroid mining base.

Also while solar array and electroponic station have both increased yields, with the new crunch starkly limiting the number of them, it seems they're limited to the equivalent of boosting a planet's N score by 1.5 or 2, respectively. 7.5, if you count building all five solar arrays. I guess that does mean planetside projects become the far superior income boosting method instead? Despite the in-universe fact that a planet only gets daylight on half of it, while solar arrays get it all the time, and fusion farms bypass the middle man and go straight to the hydrogen. But you can wave that away I guess.
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>>1976939
Here is the whisperer design.

It's practically identical to yours. The only real difference is the whisperer has an ovipositor (which we don't need here!) and your design has the radio abilities - which would actually be useful.

Psionic: Moderate 50N
Sight: Thermal Pits 2N
Acoustic: Advanced 2N
Olfactory: Basic
Mandible: Combat 1N
Blade: Combat 1N
Arms: Dexterity 1N
Legs: Sprint 1N
Wings: Gravity Foil 8N 10M
Tail: Ovipositor 8N
Utility: Quantum brain 4N
Utility: Acid glands 1N
Carapace: Mimetic skin 2N
Carapace: Adaptive camouflage 8N
Size: Medium
Chassis: Basic 0
Cost: 89N 10M
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>>1976945
Now that I think of it the Flies render the whole sensory suite redundant.
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>>1976945
It is very similar, but there are several key differences between that and the proposed sniffer design, primarily in the sensory organ department. With the thermal pits and ovipositor this is an excellent drone for infiltrating densely populated human settlements specifically. The sniffer drone is intended more to cover wide ranges of territory searching for whatever we send it out for. It's not an active combat drone like this, more of a canary to send into a coal mine.
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>>1976953
>sensory organ department.
Which is completely covered by the Flies.
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>>1976944
Does the Metals formula for income have to add a "times 10" to it, to correlate with N having that "times 1k"?

45*2*50*10 = 45kM, which is on the same scale as the old income for Leeland mining. If we want '100 M' to keep meaning 'super duper rich in Metals' we can't up its richness stat, we need to keep it middling so that we can allow for planets like Kaltara and Aral to eclipse it in mining income.

We could just special-case this one and instead of having 100kM from Leeland and 50kM from the asteroid mining, flip it so it stays 45kM from Leeland but now 100kM bonus from the mining base so the total for this system remains the same ish as it was before.

We seem to still have 336 Corvettes raking in 2.688MM (million Metals, that's a bad looking acronym) from the M-323 system's nearly pure metal megastructure, with no planet there at all, so it's unchanged anyway.


>Glassed Hive world
>N 0
>M 100
>D 10
>
>Income:
>0N
>100KM
>
>>Smart mine mantle excavation: Calculates development stat 3 times for metal income

And with Ole Glassy again Metals makes no sense. 100*10*3 is... 3kM. And how do we vote to increase Dev score again?
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well if we're making drone designs let's go all out
and throw a moderate rely on to a Titan
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>>1976978
That's fucking brilliant.
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>>1976978
Why?
We have other drones with moderate relays and that would nearly double the upkeep cost of a Titan. Right now the cost is:

Sight: Basic 0
Olfactory: Basic 0
Acoustic: Moderate 2N
Psionic: Basic 0
Radio: Basic 0
Mandibles: Combat 1N
Blade: Combat 1N
Arms: Strength 1N
Legs: Large Bipedal 4N 5M
Carapace: Heavy 5N 20M
Carapace: Conductive 4N 15M
Utility: Radiator Tubes 4N
Utility: Tail (Sledgehammer) 6N 10M
Forward Hardpoint: Plasma Spray 30M
Dorsal Hardpoint: Particle Cannon 30M
Arm-Slot: Heavy Thumper (L) 30m
Gun Ports:(4x) Plasma Cannon(60M)
Size: Large (X2)
Cost: 56N 300M
Upkeep: 28N

With a moderate relay the upkeep goes to 53N.

Right now (with an upkeep of 28) the Titan costs substantially less than TWO heavy warriors in upkeep while being far more effective. We don't want to dilute that success ratio by making the Titan much more expensive.
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>>1976989
It's just jedi bug memeing.
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>>1976989
Why you ask WHY SIMPLE WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE BUT TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, TO SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, AND HEAR THE POOR FUCKS MINDS MELT

honestly though it's just going overboard to go overboard.

>>1976992
GIANT JEDI BUG MEMEING
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>>1976989
Clearly the solution is to have a medium relay equipped drone ride the titan into battle.
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Orbital Drop Assault Transport
Mandible: Combat (1N)
Blade: Combat (1N)
Arms: Str (1N)
Legs: Endurance (1N)
Wings: Gravity Foils (8N 10M)
Launcher pods:Swarm missiles (10N 40M)
Honey Pot (4N)
Carapace: Heavy + (10N 40M)
Size: Large X2 Cost
Cost: (72N 180+ (weapon costs)M)
Upkeep: (36N)

Since we have drop pod tech that we never use I decided to make a simple design on the off chance that we ever do it. Double heavy armour and End legs to survive the drop, A honey pot to carrie warriors with it.
The missiles can be either swarm or stinger missiles, swarm missiles can act as chaff or to hit interceptors also can be used to clear landing zones.
And finally grav foils to help with the descent and staying alive, might not need them removing the missiles and the wings reduces the cost to only (36N 80+(weapon costs)M) with an up keep of (18N) less survivable and no alpha strikes but half the cost.
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>>1976989
Sheeit, with that kind of cost-effectiveness why aren't we spamming that shit everywhere short of ship interiors, are we already doing that? Seeing that statblock makes me want to look through the wiki to see what I've missed, it's been years since I looked through that clusterfuck.
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>>1976477
I personally don't hold Seiner's attempt to capture drones against him, since we've initiated black ops raids on Union facilities ourselves, and wanting to further your understanding of something is understandable. Still, enemy actions against the Hive had to be met with retaliation (and Theseus asked us to kill him. They may have still had some issues).
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>>1977032
Hell, I'd back it. But what sort of guns should we equip it with? We should think about how it fights and what sort of role it play in the fight once it lands. With the right loadout, we could use these things as drop-released fast attack artillery during an invasion.
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>>1976944
Correction: they're limited to the equivalent of boosting a planet's N score by 1.5 or 2... if the Development score is 1. Which just about never happens. it's only the equivalent of a boost by 0.15 or 0.2 if the Dev score is even as much as 10, and 0.03 or 0.04 at 50 D. A drop in the bucket and a rounding error. Either they shouldn't be limited in number like this, or their costs and yields should be a thousand times higher.
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>>1977151
Programn them to disperse their troops, then grow into the ground and morph into a defensive structure over time while spreading creep. Means if we take and hold an area for some time we will be able to defend it easier.
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Great thread.

So, our to-do list for tomorrow looks like:

1. Finish taking over the Expanse and seed infrastructure.
2. Read Morgan's secret info
3. Have Elizabeth meet with scientists
4. Return the Cluster to Djin

Sound about right?
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>>1977634
I'd also like to talk to our allies about the black hole, and Theseus in particular about the various Union projects.
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>>1977033
We definitely need to build Titan legions given their incredible cost effectiveness. They'll likely become even more valuable once we get personal shielding to make the Titan even more tanky.

My guess is after the successful "test-run" against the Scavs Mother is now building thousands of Titans off screen.
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>>1977651
Sounds good to me.

We also need to review the artifacts Windsor returned to make sure there isn't anything missing.
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Hey QD, do you have any more info on that new questing site like a GitHub or email list? I'd like to try and get on their development team
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>>1976989
>While being far more effective
Yeah.

Where it can fit.

Which is NOT where Heavy Warriors can fit.
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>>1976910
I'd like to re-enter the Wraith Beetle in the race, seeing as it'd fulfill the combat-psion role as well as the infiltrator psion role. It's designed to be basically a squad-leader for Ghost Beetles, or to be used where a Ghost Beetle just wouldn't pack enough xenomorph-esque terror.

>Sight: Thermal Pits 2N
>Olfactory: Moderate 1N
>Radio: Advanced 6N 3M
>Acoustic: Advanced 2N
>Electrical: Moderate 2N
>Psionic: Moderate 50N
>Mandibles: Siren 15N
>Mandible: Spitter Gland 3N
>Mandible: Stinger Whip 5N
>Blade: Combat 1N
>Blade: Razor Mine 7N 10M
>Arms: Strength 1N
>Legs: Sprint 1N
>Flight: Gravity Foil 8N 10M
>Carapace: Combat 3N 10M
>Carapace: Mimetic Skin 2N
>Carapace: Adaptive Camouflage 8N
>Utility: Explosive Glands 2N
>Utility: Radiator Tubes 4N
>Utility: Quantum Brain 4N
>Utility: Sledgehammer Tail 9N 5M
>[Utility: Ovipositor 8N]
>Utility: Oxygen Recycler 8N
>Utility: Honey Pot 4N
>Utility: Seeker Pod 10N
>Size: Medium

>Total Cost: 158N 38M/157N 33M
Upkeep: 79N

We could also consider giving it a White Crystal Beacon-thingy, but I can't seem to find that adaptation anymore
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>>1980098
I don't think it ever made it all the way to adaptation stage. I'm not sure if it's a passive and all our drones are implanted with a white crystal or if it was just forgotten.
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>>1980140
It was definitely listed in one of the pastebin texts at one time...I think it cost 50N, but I can't find it now.
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>>1980147
>>1980140
Check the Hive Techology pastebin.
Memory Crystal - A crystalline computer system that utilizes fluctuating quantum states to store tachyonic particles in the same way Skyl technology stores photons. The result is a device capable of storing thoughts and emotions without the need for it to be translated into digital formats. The crystal itself is compatible with Skyl computer technology, and appears to have been used in the past as a method of communication. Experiments regarding their design seem to be common among the older hives of the past, and the extent to which it interacts with psionic signals is still being researched, with more advanced models being capable of being implanted into a drone. The crystal itself is capable of storing a vast amount of data, but like a data cube, retrieving the data stored with in will tamper with it, altering or removing the memories as they are viewed. (50N 10M)
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>>1976699
>"Do you have any means of detecting it at range?"
>>Write in

Uhh. Guys. This was a writein for a reason. It was handing an opportunity on a silver platter to guide their troops' movements in purging the OQ spores.

We could scout out all the sprouting locations in secret with flies and could've directed humans straight to them, claiming we were detecting them remotely. That would've made concealing the Path hive much easier without a dragnet search run by humans.
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>>1980538
>Implying I want to help them
>Implying I don't want to see their desperate effort scour their under cities of creep
C'mon man, watching humans encounter terrifying unknown shit straight out of their nightmares is like, half of this quest.
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>>1980538
It would also raise concerns about how powerful our information gathering is and if a world we don't have presence on gets hit we can't just say "oh can't read that planet" without raising some questions.
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>>1980538
But i want the humans to have a taste of what the Hive can do and see their troops die as they fail constantly to remove the thing from the planet.
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>>1980538
>>1981535
>>1981546
>>1981572
Didn't we vote to remove our stealth hive?
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>>1981943
It's unclear. Some people voted to remove or change location, but it wasn't overwhelming. In any case the sewer hive will either have to relocate asap or go into deep hiding.

Even if the sewer hive is discovered we could easily blame it on the OQ. The bigger threat to us is that the Union might start conducting creep checks on other worlds (like Gemini) which could lead to our hidden hive being discovered.
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>>1982068
>In any case the sewer hive will either have to relocate asap or go into deep hiding.
Or fucking destroy it which would take a day. If we do it today it'll be done tomorrow.
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>>1982099
I'm fine with destroying this Hive. The sewer hive has nothing worth saving and it'd be easy to rent/buy/parasite the owner of a warehouse on the surface.
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>>1975957
You know, come to think of it, Elizabeth's involvement as a Hive rep will cause lots of people to believe the Hive caused Theseus's release.

Think about it: right after Theseus escaped he set up shop near Hive territory. Given that we said the Hive has observed humanity for a very long time secretly and that Theseus and the Hive are now close allies, it's only logical to suspect the Hive was involved in the creation of Theseus from the start and that's why he fled where he did.

Now, let's factor in that the director of research for the Hive (Elizabeth) was a critical member of the Chandra project.

What sounds more likely - that Elizabeth somehow became director of research for an ancient precursor Empire in less than two months, or that she has been in cahoots with the Hive for years and facilitated the alliance with Theseus? Some might question whether Elizabeth was even human to begin with given what she looks like now.
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>>1980243
It's not the same, I'm talking about a White Crystal adaptation that acts as an amplifier for psionic commands, making the recipient drone and all nearby drones more resistant to psionic jamming.
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>>1982758
That is the tech you want since it doesn't count as an adaption.
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>>1982788
No, it's not. Maybe I didn't make myself clear but
>I'm talking about a White Crystal that acts as an amplifier for psionic commands, making the recipient drone and all nearby drones more resistant to psionic jamming.
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>>1982808
The "white crystal" is just a memory crystal implanted into a drone. This is exactly what you want.
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>>1982872
No, it's not. Let me find the old thread where we discovered what I'm actually talking about, since you're being a cunt.
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>>1982904
Not the same Anon. Is this it?

>Psionic fortification
>A strange mixture of organic components assembled into a crystalline matrix, the strange white crystals not only can serve as a kind of memory storage device, but also as a component in a psionic relay. When incorporated into a drone, it replaces the portion of the brain maintaining the psionic link to the queen and serves as a mixture of fuse and signal booster, allowing the relay to broadcast to drones suffering from psionic jamming, and can protect itself from jamming by cutting off its ability to receive thoughts.
The process of installation does not cost anything, but requires a white crystal be implanted into the selected relay to function."

So in order to install the upgrade you have to first buy the white/memory crystal for 50N and 10M, but the fortification itself costs nothing.

That's my reading at least.
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>>1982872
Here's the mention of what I'm thinking of: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/47632547/
Post #: 47639686

And here's the initial research topic that unlocked it.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/39014538/
Post: 39015004


>Neural crystal fractals
Medium
Further experimentation into the advantages of crystalline neural structures over your simpler organic computing has led to a potential breakthrough. By creating redundant designs the method of interaction with psionic signals can be adjusted, potentially leading to a sturdier defense against psionic based attacks.
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>>1982940
I guess it is, thanks for being much more helpful than the other anon who couldn't explain himself. What thread did you find that in, by the way?
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>>1976971
I'll be taking a look at that. It is very possible that I was an idiot when doing the math on those.

>>1977032
This would most likely be useful for getting past defenses. When deployed in a drop pod, it would penetrate the atmosphere at high speed until it is bellow the minimum altitude of any anti-orbital weapons, but above the optimal range of any AA weapons, then deploy in the air and use the foils to avoid incoming fire, while using its missiles to clear a landing zone of obstacles or hostiles.

To the conversation about the Sniffer, I try to always just have your hive deploy the most appropriate drone for the job. At the moment the Whisperer is the go-to drone for espionage actions that requires a moderate relay, and any drone with gravity foils will be given preference due to its use being silent, allowing the drone to quietly glide through the area. Mimetic skin and adaptive camo are also adaptations that will be selected for when choosing what to deploy in espionage.

Also, I had a question on Ask.fm about the espionage system and I figured it would be best to answer it here where more people could see. The failure and discovery risks are two separate rolls. It is possible to succeed in the goal but be discovered, or fail and get away unseen. Failure just means that the goal of the action doesn't pan out, although usually it results in some additional bad thing happening, like an investigation being launched, or an increase in Agitation on the planet. Discovery, despite its name, just means that your agents left some manner of evidence behind that was found. It increases the planet's suspicion that the Hive is pulling a fast one on the planet, but an individual discovery only increases the suspicion rate a certain amount. It would take multiple such events to actually have your cover blown on the planet, and even then you would have a few panic options to try in all likelihood.
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>>1982952
Thread 37
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/38091704/#p38091889

Also, there's a slightly outdated pastebin with most past research. It can be found at: https://pastebin.com/sJ1jdaiL
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>>1982952
>thanks for being much more helpful than the other anon who couldn't explain himself.
I apologize for assuming your intelligence. It's not this discussion didn't happen right after the Nowhere incident.
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>>1982982
>It's a memory crystal, dude! Memory crystals help with psionic jamming (for some reason)!
>Dude, memory crystal, it's what you're after.
>Muh memory crystal

You could've tried explaining at all, instead of just repeating yourself over and over.
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>>1982982
Insulting others while using sentence fragments does not make you look more intelligent or less like a dick.

Generally speaking, explaining things clearly and with evidence can be more effective than repeating yourself over and over again, even on a place like 4chan.

>>1982967
Thanks for the clarification QD!

I tried to do some math to understand the economy system in the last thread. Reposting that here for visibility/if it helps. Was my guesswork accurate?

>>1930945
I’ve given up on trying to understand the Leeland numbers given all the specific old projects in the system but the Raligha numbers make some sense.

>[M-662]
>Raligha
>N 90+20
>M 10
>Development 25

>Income:
>2.75MN
>0M

So my reading of the above is that each “N” is actually the potential to create 100,000 nutrients. If Raligha were fully developed it could produce 110 N (11,000,000 nutrients). However, since we’ve capped the dev score at 25 it’s only producing 2.75 MN. It’s not producing metal because we didn’t want to build mines.
I don't know how easy it would be to build massive creep farms on the new planets, but we need to know their potential nutrient score in order to assess how far and how quickly we should develop.
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>>1983047
I told you that implanting a memory crystal does exactly what you want. What do have to explain beyond that? It even said here.
>>1980243
>with more advanced models being capable of being implanted into a drone
While I should have clearly stated that the memory crystal is good enough to get the result you want I thought you picked that up.
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>>1983066
You should've said
"When a memory crystal is implanted in a drone is overtakes part of the relay, which grants the psionic jamming resilience you've been talking about."

Not "You put it in a drone, it's exactly what you want."
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>>1983055
>I don't know how easy it would be to build massive creep farms on the new planets
Not exactly creep farms. Thing of it more like how much we are exploiting the native wildlife thus it's worthless without a developed ecosystem natural or artificial. Also due to the creep upgrade that accelerates creep growth increasing development score should be pretty fast.
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I revamped the Myrmidon (Royal Guard) profile from before and I’m looking for feedback before I post it on the wiki. Thoughts?

Role: Special Forces/Elite unit for protecting high value targets and assaulting psi-protected areas.

Design: These Myrmidons are designed to operate in small groups and to be superior to any Smith in a one on one engagement. Although ludicrously expensive by Hive standards, their potent psionic defenses, independent thinking, and innate teamwork abilities will enable them to remain highly capable even if cut off from the Queen and adapt on the fly.

Details:
>Human Chimera: 60N
>Dexterity+Strength Arms (free w/ Chimera)
>Endurance Legs (free w/ Chimera)
>Acid Glands: 1N
>Oxygen Recycler: 8N
>Sight: Thermal Pits: 2N
>Olfactory: Advanced: 2N
>Acoustic: Advanced: 2N
>Radio: Advanced: 6N, 3M
>Psionic: Medium (w/ White Crystal Psi Fortification): 110N, 10M
>Psionic Disruptor: Moderate: 100N, 50M
>Honey Pot: 4N
>Bio-Digital interface: 1N
>Second Heart: 4N
>Arm Blades: 6N, 10M
>Metal Skin: 30N, 100M
>Sledgehammer 6N, 10M
>Weaver Graft 20N, 10M
>Medium Carapace Armor: 10N, 40M
>Parasite: 9N

>Total Cost: 381N, 233M
>Upkeep: 190 N

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>>1984402
Answers to predicted responses:

>Oh fuck, it’s Chimera Commander stupidity all over again.
No it’s not. This is a special forces unit designed for small unit operations where lots of drones is untenable (such as during psionic jamming).
>Chimeras are too scary.
If they’re in public they’d be guarding Elizabeth who is as terrifying as any Chimera. If the Chimera are in their armor they’d actually be less scary than Elizabeth since their twisted nature is more hidden.

>Why not use Hybrids instead? They’re less scary?
Hybrids can’t be equipped with moderate relays.

>Your Chimeras have drone parts. That isn’t allowed.
Actually, it is. Per QD in the pastebin: “While they [Chimeras] have the mental capacities of a hybrid, they are fully capable of being given any adaptation from the drone adaptation list”

>Why not use full drones instead of Chimeras?
They won’t be able to interact with human technology as well - which is something we needed during the Senticom and Nowhere events. Chimera are less vulnerable to psionic attacks crippling their abilities than drones are. They are also better at original thinking and advanced tactics.

>Why all the emphasis on Psionic abilities?
If there is a Void attack or another Nowhere event occurs that we have to send Elizabeth to defuse we’ll need units that are capable even without a psionic connection. Chimera fit the bill. They’ll also be useful in limited actions against the OQ. For example, if they were present on the attempt to board the Hive ship they could have locked down the OQ advanced relay long enough with jamming for the relay to be secured and an advanced jammer attached.

>The Myrmidon design is ludicrously expensive.
Yes it is. We should only build a few dozen of these units at most. They are wasted in mass-engagements and are designed to excel in small-scale operations.
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>>1984402
>>1984406
I like it
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>>1984406
Anon. I'm not sure if you realize this but the medium relay isn't necessary. You can implant any human with a memory crystal to give them the benefits of a medium relay and psionic fortification without the additional upkeep cost.
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>>1984402
>Endurance Legs (free w/ Chimera)
These will be in combat, why not sprint legs?
>No guns
Are you intending them to carry weapons in their hands? Like some sort of normie?

>>1984406
>Hybrids can’t be equipped with moderate relays.
Are you sure about that? I thought we had reverse-engineered Elizabeth's?

Otherwise these look fine, it still bothers me on principle that the union can still make a better single-combat trooper than we can albeit at ludicrous cost
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>>1984495
A colossus melted a Smith with a simple plasma spray after tanking a CIP pistol to the head.
When we use actual military drones against the Union we wreck shit.
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>>1984495
They've got arm blades and sledgehammer. And it's not like we can't arm them with guns of Hive or other make before missions. Being able to use disposable weapons and swap them out could make the more versatile and powerful. Organic guns have the benefit of recharging themselves over time, but a small team used only for critical missions can afford to be logistically expensive.
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>>1984406
Two things I'm interested in is why no siren and why only medium carapace armor?
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>>1984495
I'm fine with putting in sprint legs.

I didn't enter guns because like >>1984508 said we can just arm them before missions with whatever's in the armory. Guns don't cost anything the way integrated weapons like arm-blades do.

>Are you sure about that? I thought we had reverse-engineered Elizabeth's?
Elizabeth isn't particularly Human at the moment. I was under the impression that her augments were turning her into a Chimera-lite even before we accelerated the process. She wouldn't have been able to pass as a pure human for very long.
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>>1984513
I figured a siren was not needed since anything in range of the siren wave would be well within the nausia field caused by the moderate relays. Also, since chimera keep their original vocal chords I thought them having the ability to communicate with humans/other species would be more valuable than any benefit gained from the siren adaptation.

I picked medium carapace armor because it works best with metal skin. Per the pastebin: "The suit in general is akin to a more slimed and compact drop suit, offering improved agility and speed, but reducing the amount of payload that can be carried, as well as slightly reducing the damage protection. It is most effective when combined with the Metal Skin adaptation."

I also thought that medium armor would allow the Chimera to board vehicles and utilize human spaces when bulky power armor would be a hinderance.
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>>1984517
>I was under the impression that her augments were turning her into a Chimera-lite even before we accelerated the process.
Your impresion is incorrect. The differences on a biological level are small enough to actually pass as a human. It just so happens she is fucking crazy and wishes she was never human.
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>>1984541
>The differences on a biological level are small enough to actually pass as a human.
What about the antennae?

Sure, the weaver graft was voluntary.
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>>1984503
Maybe "trooper-sized" would've been better wording, I meant that smiths can square off with any medium-sized unit we currently have and win easily. Colossi are more comparable to a tank.

>>1984508
>>1984517
Our weapons cost the same to make whether they're integrated or not, and can be swapped out extremely easily even if they are integrated. It just seems arbitrary to have them carry weapons when they could be built into the arms.
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>>1984558
>and can be swapped out extremely easily even if they are integrated.
During a mission?
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>>1984548
The antenna was hidden in the back where the head and neck meets if I remember correctly. Most wouldn't notice it.
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>>1984558
>>1984565
I have to agree that being able to pick up another weapon more suited to a situation at hand in the field would be preferable to an integrated weapon sacrificing this ability.
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>>1984402
>>1984406
Support, although I'd swap in sprint legs.

>>1984541
Pretty sure Elizabeth had some obvious non-human traits even if she looked mostly human. On ask.fm QD said ". To gain the more potent abilities he [Lee] would need the more overt implant based on the prototype Elizabeth has, which is the equivalent of a moderate relay."

So any hybrids with a moderate relay would have to have an obvious implant.

I think hybrids *can* have moderate relays, but at that point they stop looking human so we're better off using a chimera anyway.
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>>1984558
>I meant that smiths can square off with any medium-sized unit we currently have and win easily.
That's part of the reason I designed the Myrmidon. Among other things it should (hopefully) wreck a Smith in single combat.
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>>1984578
The antennae are small enough to hide allowing us to send out human psions without drawing any attention.
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Are large drones large enough to carry shield emitters?
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>>1984558
To be fair we've never actually made a chimera before which are the hive equivalent to a Smith.
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>>1984600
Do we have personal shields?
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>>1984609
I was wondering that since fighters can carry shields if the large drones qualify too.
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>>1984594
Hmmm, while Hybrids might be able to use moderate relays, on balance I'd still rather use a Chimera here. As you said, they're the Hive equivalent to a Smith and we've never made one.

Chimeras can also hold other drone augments like the psi jammers hybrids cannot - and the Myrmidons won't be taking off armor in public anyway.

>>1984600
Yes, once research is finished.

>>1984609
It's still being researched as of the start of "today."
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>>1984565
>>1984573
My understanding was that integrated weapons just have "ports" that they plug into and would not be any more difficult to swap out than putting a carried weapon down to pick up another. I supposed we'd need a QD ruling on exactly how easily/quickly it can be done though.

>>1984624
Also, I looked it over again. If we're going to be chucking pretty much everything in there, why not also add
>Endoskeletal plating: 5N 20M (it doesn't say it can't stack with metal skin anywhere that I saw)
>Electrostatic Muscle Grafts: 8N 15M
>Electric Sensitivity: Advanced: 3N 2M

Also, unless I'm forgetting something, we could add either wings or missile launchers to these chimeras as well:
>Launcher pods: Made using muscles similar to those used to hold and move the wings, these pods are hollow tubes mounted to an articulate joint in the shoulders and can be retracted within a wing case when not in use.
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>>1984651
Adding gravity foils to the thing would certainly be quite impressive to humans.
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>>1984651
Sure, I can add that. I didn't think the plating stacked, but if it does that's great for us.

>>1984661
Not really necessary since they have levitation with the relay. We could add gravity foils to the suits, but there's a risk they could get in the way in confined spaces.
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>>1984665
Levitation would require all the users psionic attention though.
>The effect can be used to target the user, offering a limited and rather inefficient method of movement in the form of levitation, although this requires tremendous concentration and prevents the use of other psionic abilities
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>>1984670
Okay, okay ... I'll add the wings too.
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>>1984402
>>1984406

Support, but also support for advanced upgrade ideas that are being thrown around
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Thanks for all the advise everyone. The final design posted to the wiki is:

>Name: Myrmidon
>Species: Human Chimera 60N
>Memory Insert: Variable depending on team composition

>Sight: Thermal Pits 2N
>Olfactory: Advanced 2N
>Acoustic: Advanced: 2N
>Psionic: Medium (w/ White Crystal Psi Fortification): 110N, 10M
>Electric Sensitivity: Advanced: 3N 2M

>Ranged: Variable depending on mission
>Blade: Arm Blades: 6N, 10M
>Arms: Dexterity+Strength Arms (free w/ Chimera)
>Sprint Legs: 1N
>Wings: Gravity Foil 8N 10M
>Acid Glands: 1N
>Oxygen Recycler: 8N
>Honey Pot: 4N
>Bio-Digital interface: 1N
>Second Heart: 4N
>Metal Skin: 30N, 100M
>Weaver Graft 20N, 10M
>Endoskeletal plating: 5N 20M
>Electrostatic Muscle Grafts: 8N 15M
>Medium Carapace Armor: 10N 40M
>Psionic Disruptor: Moderate: 100N 50M
>Parasite: 9N
>Size: Medium
>Total Cost: 393N, 267M
>Upkeep: 196 N
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>>1984721

Excellent. Love it. These form an excellent honour guard and hard hitting team.

Presumably to be deployed with heavy armour?
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>>1984746
I gave them medium armor so they can move more easily in urban or compact environments. Medium armor also stacks with the metal skin for maximum effectiveness.

Presumably they'd be given heavier armor and/or personal shields (when that research is finished) if they were ever deployed in frontline combat, although that's not where they're most cost-effective.
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>>1984721
Think you dropped
>Radio: Advanced: 6N, 3M
>Sledgehammer 6N, 10M
from the earlier design?
Otherwise looks good, good job putting that together anon
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>>1984757
Thanks Anon, I appreciate your picking up on that. I'll add the radio and sledgehammer back in.
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>>1984756
Presumably if we are forced to use these guys as front line troops we would keep them as either ranged skirmish troops (lightweight compared to a drone + high manouver), or use them in tight confines where a normal warrior drone is limited in movement.
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>>1984721
Awesome design. So glad we finally have an honor guard.
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>>1984764
There wouldn't be enough of them to form a front line.
Is the Titan the only large sized melee/close quarters unit we have?
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Quick question, what would we use these things for?

It's not like we can parade our inhuman horrors around openly in Union civilian space, and what sort of battles could we deploy them into?
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>>1984779
"if we are forced to use these guys as front line troops"
=
If they end up on a front line fighting alongside our normal units.
Not replace an entire battlefront.
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>>1984779
>Is the Titan the only large sized melee/close quarters unit we have?
Actually...there's an idea. We could deploy them with the titans. They could ride into battle like some sort of insane kaiju cavalry.
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>>1984792
Well a titan varient to act as a troop transport would be a good idea to go with them, considering that the titan units will be susceptable to swarming when away from the main infantry force.
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>>1984756
>>1984764
If these chimera were ever deployed as frontline troops we should just skip the middleman of carapace armor and swap it out for actual carapaces, they can take drone adaptations. Maybe heavy+reflex? Or combat+reflex if they need to stay fast
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>>1984756
Although I agree, that's not where they're cost effective
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We really should see how far we can push the human genome under hive guidance. Make it a self set task to make human 2.0
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>>1984781
As I said earlier, they're mostly designed to protect high value targets (i.e. Elizabeth) [who is even more horrifying than them when they're hidden behind armor], and assault places with anti-psi defenses. Chimera will be much more effective against targets with psi jamming than quantum drones and can accompany Elizabeth if she needs to deal with another Nowhere type disaster. They can also serve as our ultimate "compact heavy hitters" the way the Smiths do for the Union.

The Myrmidons are not designed to go charging into battle from the front. They'll do very well in such a situation, but they are far, far more cost effective as special operations soldiers.

>>1984799
>>1984802
Combat + reflex probably is best ... but like you said we really shouldn't deploy these guys in mass battles if we can help it.
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>>1984804
With what intended goal?

So far humans are good for independent thought and psi-blindness.
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>>1984808
Primarily because it'll force us to be inventive, which the hive tends to have problems.

Secondarily because it means we then have a ready template minus the usual flaws which we can use for citizens who wish for augmentation but hesitate at full bugging out (which will be a fair number I would bet).
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>>1984811
The Obsidian Queen forced the previous queens to be inventive but it simply didn't work. The best they managed was creating millions of thinkers to bruteforce creativity. It's not the lack of problems but the way the Hive tackle those problems.
I'd be interested in cloning various species's brains and using them as creative thinkers though.
>Clone a human generals brain and upload his consciousness
>Simulate a war room through hallucinations
>Have him command human forces against hive forces in simulated battles at an abstracted level
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>>1984823
>>Clone a human generals brain and upload his consciousness
>>Simulate a war room through hallucinations
>>Have him command human forces against hive forces in simulated battles at an abstracted level

So like Xcom 1 and 2?
If nobody know about it, the commander of xcom (you) is captured by the invading aliens in the first game (with out you knowing it) and basically they are run simulations of battles through your mind to get your "take" of the fighting since you were smart enough put up a strong resistance against them. They then send these different strategies and tactics down the alien command chain to help fight human resistance fighters. You are eventually broken out of captivity by the resistance in the beginning of the second game to continue fighting back.

I'm sorry if I fucked up any of this, it's 3 am and I'm tired as fuck
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>>1984805
I'll right, I'm sold, let's make some chimeras.
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>>1984406
>>Chimeras are too scary.
>If they’re in public they’d be guarding Elizabeth who is as terrifying as any Chimera. If the Chimera are in their armor they’d actually be less scary than Elizabeth since their twisted nature is more hidden.
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one anon. When she puts her make up on Elizabeth can disguise herself pretty much perfectly as human. All of her mods, including her relay, can be hidden under clothing or hair when in public.

Taking the chimeras, which I shall remind you are far less human looking than Elizabeth, would terrorize the shit out of anyone who sees it even if she were right there telling them don't panic. Plus it would publicly and very openly advertise the full extent of our gene fuckery capabilities to everyone in the Union. Which would be certain to cost us chances to insert or use them for espionage missions in the future.

The myrmidon is badass combat union that could be invaluable if we have to deal with another void incursion, but we can't afford to allow them to become known. Fully modded human clones can do the body guard duty for Elizabeth perfectly fine. Let's just let these guys do the alpha strike and special operations for the hive.
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>>1984862
>badass combat union
badass combat unit*
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>>1984862
I'm pretty sure if a spook sees something biological doing spooky shit they'll just straight assume it's the Hive because no one else has the tech to do it. Of course this could be amusing if the Valen end up shifting blame to Hive for clandestine operations when employing some seemingly biological tech.
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>>1984862
Pretty sure they know we can do some funky shit already, considering, you know, the organic structures and starships we already showed them.

Pretty damn sure something human like is not so far fetched for them to wrap their heads around. Considering the cluster incident they are probably already prepping for gene testing facilities and other problematic counter measures already.
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>>1984880
DNA testing would only affect hybrids who we already only use in ops where everyone who sees them is either dead or on our side.
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>>1984880
Yeah sure but they have no idea how invasive our bioengineering capacity can be in a human body. At this point they don't even know about our parasites and how we can infect a community. And they certainly don't know about our ability to make people on a whim.

If we bring half-human abominations out in public many if not most people will assume they were born naturally and were converted from unwilling human subjects, and that the same could happen to them. And they wouldn't even be wrong either.
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>>1984651
All of the armor implants do indeed stack, since one is sub-dermal, one is the skin itself, and the other is just a suit of armor. Actually carapace adaptations however would not stack with any implant or armor, as it is built from the flesh up and essentially fills all three layers. This would also make them look far more alien, as opposed to the armor which would cover most of the chimera's inhuman aspects under a still quite clearly organic suit of armor similar in appearance to the suits you already have built for Lyle and his friends.

As for your question on weapons, a Hive weapon adapted for human use could either be altered to have a trigger like typical human made weapons, or, if the clone in question has a bio-digital interface it could simply slot its arm into an unaltered weapon akin to a kind of Samus style arm cannon, and use the interface to link directly with the weapon. The advantage of this would be that the weapon itself would be able to assist in aiming and firing, helping the user mitigate recoil and adjust aim to compensate for environmental effects. Visually, the weapon would seem to replace the arm, with biological wiring running from the weapon into the clone's forearm. It would be easily removable for the user, but could not be dropped accidentally or be pried from the arm without extreme force, although it would come off before the arm itself in such a case. In addition, individuals without a hive made interface would not be able to use them.
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>>1984988
So including a biological interface on a chimera would allow it to utilize standard hive drone weaponry while letting it keep its hands/fingers.
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>>1984823
>The Obsidian Queen forced the previous queens to be inventive but it simply didn't work. The best they managed was creating millions of thinkers to bruteforce creativity. It's not the lack of problems but the way the Hive tackle those problems.
What the fuck are you talking about? Queens are actually really creative when they are young and the only one that did that is the Builder.
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>>1981535
>>1981572
That has nothing to do with pointing them to the general locations to target and not to any place we don't want them to look.

The humans would still be horrified when they get there.

>>1981943
Obviously not. And the dragnet can be slow and methodical so there is plenty of time to relocate it into an 'already cleared' area.
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>>1984988
>All of the armor implants do indeed stack,
Sweet
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>>1984805
>>1984988
>The advantage of this would be that the weapon itself would be able to assist in aiming and firing, helping the user mitigate recoil and adjust aim to compensate for environmental effects
>It would be easily removable for the user
With this in mind, I feel that having them integrated makes even more sense. Better offense, can't be disarmed, easy to remove and swap
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>>1985461
The Myrmidons already have a bio-digital interface. That allows them to easily pick out and swap any weapon without us needing to specify any specific "integrated" weapon now.

>if the clone in question has a bio-digital interface it could simply slot its arm into an unaltered weapon ... and use the interface to link directly with the weapon.

I agree human designed weapons with a trigger are a bad idea here. Maybe multiple hive-style weapons can be "carried" on the medium armor so that they can be swapped out for maximum flexibility even when on assignment?
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>>1984988
Muh dik
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>>1984402
I fully support it just because I want to see us finally get some fucking useful standardized units for SpecOps. It's been too long.
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>>1985984
Most of the time they won't even be used even in spec ops.
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>This myrmidon shit again
The general result of the last shitstorm over this was that they're good for spec ops but have no business being anywhere near the public eye because we don't want to encourage any ideas or fears that the Hive can make humans or human hybrids.

Having them as an honor guard is out for exactly the same reason that they were opposed the last time someone floated the "chimerae as honor guards" idea.
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>>1986059
Seems like now they're mostly being proposed as bodyguards for crucial non-public assets, and special forces for operations we aren't trying to pretend weren't us.
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>>1986092
Well that's certainly reasonable.
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>>1986059
>have no business being anywhere near the public eye because we don't want to encourage any ideas or fears that the Hive can make humans or human hybrids.
I see your point, but the main purpose of Myrmidons is as special forces for anti-psi operations. The guard part is a secondary purpose and, frankly, it's way too late by this point to keep people from thinking about human hybrids and infiltrators.

We are revealing Elizabeth publicly. There is no way that won't create hybrid speculation. In fact given how closely allied Theseus and the Hive are, Elizabeth's core role in the creation of Theseus, and Elizabeth's very high rank in the Hive, many will suspect she must have been working for the Hive for years and that Theseus is friendly because he was freed on Hive orders.

Also, the Union brass isn't completely moronic. They'll see how quickly the Cluster was able to perfectly replicate a human and should realize that if the Hive has similar tech we should be able to do the same.

Finally, the Chimera will be in full body armor at all times. There won't be any evidence that they aren't just humans that decided to join the Hive the same way Elizabeth did. Obviously they won't be removing their armor.
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>>1986127
>but the main purpose of Myrmidons is as special forces for anti-psi operations.
It would be better to have anti-psionic humans instead of hybrids or chimera.
>There won't be any evidence that they aren't just humans that decided to join the Hive the same way Elizabeth did.
>he doesn't remember that the Union has entire databases on their civies
>Obviously they won't be removing their armor.
The problem isn't them removing their armor, it's combat removing their armor.
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>>1986127
The cat's out of the bag as far as human assimilation goes, but there's literally no reason to make it worse by encouraging perceptions that we can straight up make humans from scratch or frankenstein aberrant hybrids as killing machines.

Chimerae can literally do nothing as guards in the public eye that a specialized drone can't do almost as well without the associated risks. The idea of using them as honor guards is just dick stroking instead of being actually practical.

>Obviously they won't be removing their armor
They won't get a choice in the matter if it's torn off in front of a camera or a bullet leaves human-bug hybrid blood everywhere.
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>>1986152
>It would be better to have anti-psionic humans instead of hybrids or chimera.
No, it wouldn’t. Humans are far weaker than Chimera and can’t hold drone grafts like the psi-disruptor which are critical for anti-psi operations.

>he doesn't remember that the Union has entire databases on their civies
Are you shitting me? The Union is absolutely massive they have no way of keeping track of every individual so closely they can prove that the faceless goon in armor isn’t just some human who went missing years ago. Don’t be stupid. Besides, the Hive is known to be working closely with the Commonwealth. Don’t you think there’s a chance the Union might believe humans working for the Hive came from the Commonwealth?

>>1986152
>The problem isn't them removing their armor, it's combat removing their armor.
>>1986169
>They won't get a choice in the matter if it's torn off in front of a camera or a bullet leaves human-bug hybrid blood everywhere.
The Chimera are only ever deployed to protect critical assets such as Elizabeth. They are telekinetic telepaths with trans-human reflexes and are wearing three layers of metal armor.
If a critical asset is ever in such incredible danger that Myrmidons are getting chunks blasted off them we’ll be damn glad we didn’t go with lower quality guards.
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Do you think we can use Seiner to track down Ceph Cutters so we can study them and as ammunition gathering when we start making the Cannon?
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>>1986367
Possibly it depends on how limited his powers are.

There are probably still shards on Earth and up to four Shards in the Mirage wreckage (which the CW promised to turn over to us).
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>>1986292
A drone that uses the same nutrient and metal cost would do almost as well without the risks involved. You are effectively insisting that that margin of quality between a chimera and a souped-up drone is worth risking the discovery of not only chimerae, but also the wider extent of our current gene manipulation activities. That is a revelation that would spur even greater anti-hive paranoia, and could potentially jeopardize our parasite units if the sentiment becomes widespread enough for politicians to act upon it.

Also remember that as far as anybody knows, Elizabeth has just augmented herself with hive tech. The idea that we can control something human is still unconfirmed, and it would be unwise to carelessly suggest it could be the case as with having a bunch of obviously humanoid creatures in chitin armor who conveniently have no personality or aspirations beyond serving the Hive.
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>>1986414
>A drone that uses the same nutrient and metal cost would do almost as well without the risks involved.

I disagree. Lets say there's a situation like Nowhere where we can't directly observe due to the risk of corruption. However, Theseus is on scene and has radio. Drones only respond to psionic commands. Chimera we can remotely instruct via their radio implants. Drones only respond to thoughts not radio and would be uncontrollable. This is just one example.

You don't seem to understand our greatest weakness is our heavy dependence on psionic communication at all times. A Drone will never be even close to as good as Chimera in an evolving crisis situation where psionic control is disabled or dangerous.
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>>1986443
>using a psionic chimera to interface with the void rather than a void crafter who have no chance of being hijacked
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>>1986443
>they can't do shit when disrupted
Yes, but is that actually a reasonable danger to expect on human territory? One likely enough to merit taking a major risk that could cripple our diplomatic relations if things go wrong?

If there's ever a psi disruption weapon used against us in human or valen territory, then perhaps it would merit that level of caution. As things stand however, I think it is mainly just people trying to justify showing off our secret weapons. Weapons that we have a very good reason to keep secret.
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>>1986490
Humans being blind does not make them immune to psionics or corruption you moron. If we can completely overload human minds and make them incapable of action the Void is certainly capable of the same. However, psionically fortified white crystal relays (like the Myrmidons have) are much more likely to provide some degree of protection. They allowed Elizabeth to escape Nowhere relatively unharmed.

>>1986493
We already know multiple Union scientists from Mentat have worked on psionic manipulation projects. At least one of them became Void corrupted and he may have escaped Nowhere. I don't think Elizabeth's journey to Mentat is entirely risk free.

We also have to consider there is a suspected Void cult on Talgo (Killinger's world)
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>>1986604
And if something happens, then we can send in the chimerae because shit's fucked. Shit, if you're really worried we can drop some planetside in the middle of the night with orders to go to ground so they're on hand without anybody knowing about them.

But having the walking infosec breaches serve as bodyguards in public without a clear and present reason? Probably not the best idea.
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>>1986604
>moron
Says the one who doesn't even know what a void crafter is. Void crafter the most resistant to psionics and void bullshit too the point that we struggle to interact with them psionically and they can detect psionics. What is superior to that for counter psionic actions? And we don't need the psionic disruptor integrated into their biology we can make do with integrating it into their armor.
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>>1986654
>Doesn't even know what a Void Crafter is

Do you know what a Void Crafter is? I'll give you a hint, Seiner is a Void Crafter (don't believe me, just check the edits QD made to the wiki Here's a link: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:Hive_Queen_Quest#Dr._Adam_Seiner ) Is your plan honestly to physically send people like Seiner, with incredible sensitivity to psionic signals, physically to the location of a major Void incursion? Even if the Void can't see them shouldn't it be obvious that there's a major risk in that situation?

Next time don't make shit up. Moron.
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>>1986751
They have heavy resistance even if they completely submit to it and the chimera being made are even more sensitive to psionics and the fortifications only mean something against jamming.
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>>1986803
Yeah, Seiner really put up some "heavy resistance" when Elizabeth tried to peer into his mind. He certainly wasn't instantly disabled by her (not even serious) psionic attack in this very thread.

Wait...

>>1976229
>>1976325
>>1976477
>>1976564
Hmmm, looks like his "resistance" did jack shit against even a moderate attack. Oh well.

Also, we KNOW Elizabeth's relay was successful at keeping her mind intact when faced with the Void at Nowhere. It provides more protection than any other tech we have. Obviously the Chimera won't be looking into the Void (that's stupid) but the hardened relay should keep them intact through the passive jamming or whatever else is going on better than anything else we have can.
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>>1985479
By "integrated" I just mean built in to the arms, not necessarily one weapon across the board
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>>1986904
Those attacks weren't on his mind genius. Psionics are superior for direct combat, but void crafters are better at resisting mind fuckery and void bullshit which is matters here. And she was okay from the Nowhere incident because we played it safe with her and was lucky. We never had her read the scientists mind, we limited her time spent in the facility, and the second the drones were being overwhelmed with the probing attack she got out. She was lucky she didn't get hit by that shit.
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>>1987006
>Those attacks weren't on his mind genius.

Let’s see...

>Seiner looks over the lab, his mind finding different positions outside his body as he feels himself watching his own body from the perspective of the specimens he examines….He pivots suddenly as his mind flashes with an imprinted sensation of deep disdain, and he tosses the mug without realizing it.

>"That's right." She says as she senses the realization, her own mind scraping over his like a rake through soft mud. A trickle of blood runs from his nose.

>There's nobody for you to convince. Everyone here can pry open your thoughts and pick it apart for every moment of moral compromise and leap of logic used to excuse your own actions to yourself. Even now, I can feel it,

>He struggles to get up, more from his imbalance from his mind's shifting than any remaining injury.

>Elizabeth's mind sifts through Seiner's thoughts, searching for some ever-present deception. There is something beneath the thoughts, like a glimmer of light beneath twisted roots. The roots untangle, allowing her mind access, and there is shame. Deep and gripping like a poison pulsing through his body.

Yep, no mind attacks here

I'm going to stop arguing now. If you seriously think it's a good idea to put Seiner tier Void crafters/gazers in close proximity to a Void incursion as the main containment/fighting force no amount of logic will win this.

I'm sorry you feel you always have to be right.
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>>1986367
Genius, let's do it. Void shards are impossibly hard to acquire in most circumstances, if we don't do something like this we will be limited to a mere 5 shots with the psionic cannon. That's including the shard that we will have to use in test firing the weapon, we need more.
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>>1987224
Good thinking. I bet there are shards on Earth too Seiner could help us find.

We should ask the CW how many shards the moon gun had... or look that up ourself if that's in he new memory crystal we have. Hell, maybe Mom has some good ideas about where we could find shards.
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>>1986045
That doesn't really matter to me, seeing as we presently have no units that are extreme-heavy-hitters ideally suited to being deployed in SpecOps and this design being accepted will remedy that somewhat.
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>>1987224
The problem Mom had wasn't with the amount of ammo but her capability to alpha strike the big guy.
We need more Hive Ships.
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>>1987093
Somebody forgot Seiner mind keeps leaving his body.
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So Myrmidons will be kept as a design but will not be used in situations where non-allied humans can see them.
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>>1987469
Thought this whole argument was for them to be the very publicly seen guards of Lee and Elizabeth?
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>>1987482
Neither Elizabeth or Lee are important enough to warrant such high maintenance soldiers when we already have honor guards.
Also it's a good enough compromise to allow a special operations operative operating operationally for mother.
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>>1987469
I don't think we agreed on that at all.

I'm fine with us keeping Myrmidons as guards and special forces or as special forces only - either works. However, I don't think the risk of discovery or the danger it would pose is nearly as high as some people in this thread.

The only way a Myrmidon could be found out as more than human is if their armor is breached which is an incredibly difficult thing to do.

Even if a Myrmidon is revealed it won't be that bad for diplomacy. Many in the Union must have concluded that we can clone humans already given our utter mastery of biology. Hell, we can clone animals now with real world tech without even getting close to Union abilities let alone hive biotech.

Also, the reveal of a Myrmidon to a few people doesn't mean a public reveal. Think about how many times a Smith has been seen in public and how, every time, the Union is able to cover it up. Even though Smiths are an open secret among the powerful their existence does not impact diplomacy.

We can attempt a cover up in the (very, very low chance) that a Myrmidon guard is wounded and even if the cover up fails we can just ask the Union not to broadcast it.
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>>1987494
In fact someone killing Lee would be a political jackpot considering he spends all his time in a Hive embassy on the capital of the Union. Anyone who ends up doing that pretty much announces to all of Union that they don't respect their sovereignity or the validity of the concept of embassies giving much more weight to the Hives claim that their enemies are immoral monsters.
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So the problem seems to be everyone being paranoid about the chimeras being seen by the public? Even though they'll have full body armor that is far beyond what is available to all but the highest military ranks and even if their helmet falls off it'll be the least of their trouble since their while skull would be going with the helmet at that point.

Besides, what's the point of having this glorious espionage and propaganda system where we can change the outlook and opinions of entire planets if we can't have our Hive-equipped soldier "volunteers" helping keep these same worlds safe and protected?
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>>1987499
It's a compromise. We could just not have the Myrmidon if no consensus is reached. Also nearly 200 upkeep for a guard is wasteful since they'd never be rapidly deployable.
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>>1987517
Regular warrior drones are far superior for peace keeping. They numerous enough that we can place one on every doorstep, cheap enough that we don't need to care about them and imposing enough to make sure no one wants to make them angry.
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>>1987522
So it basically comes down to an argument of "stats vs appeal" that everyone is SUPER stubborn about
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>>1987458
We need multiple psionic cannons.
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>>1987517
>So the problem seems to be everyone being paranoid about the chimeras being seen by the public? Even though they'll have full body armor that is far beyond what is available to all but the highest military ranks and even if their helmet falls off it'll be the least of their trouble since their while skull would be going with the helmet at that point.

Yeah, I don't get it. Even if they are discovered we can claim the video is fake, parasite the person who made it so they confess it's fake, and have theseus construct a technical document proving it's fake. And if all else fails we can tell the Union that if Chimera info gets out we'll broadcast our information on the Smiths publicly; or broadcast our dirt on Killinger; or broadcast our information about the mind-control and kidnapping program Lee was in; or about the Mirage incident; etc.

The point is, the risk is way, way overblown for discovery.

>>1987537
I agree that they should not be peace-keepers. They are elite guards (analogous to secret service) or special forces. We only need a few dozen of them.
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>>1987537
There have been two problems discussed so far.
1. Should they be allowed to be used in jobs where they can be seen by non-allies? (Guarding was given as example)
Arguments for this are that they look non-human enough with their armor on that people would be unable to notice or that the chimera would not give new information to those seeing them.
Arguments against are that the chimera still remain human enough that they could be recognized as such or that the existence of chimera would raise questions about the existence of hive created humans
2. Are the chimera the superior soldier against Void incursions compared to a Void Crafter?
Arguments for are that with the white crystal reinforced relay they would be more resistant to the pervasive aura that shut down our drones at Tenebris as shown by Elizabeth maintaining control while close to the Void Shard.
Arguments against are that Void Crafters are more resistant to void manipulation by their nature of being difficult to perceive using psionic means.
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>>1987617
Why would we take the risk of using them as needlessly expensive guards? What benefit would they give as guards?
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>>1987627
Being impressive; getting to show off telekinesis; having powerful guards near someone important if shit hits the fan (mostly that last one).

There is near zero risk of discovery here. Any attack capable of damaging them would likely kill any nearby observers who could report on their inhuman nature. And given all the tools we have access to a cover-up is easy.

Once we decide to build the Myrmidons deploying them as a royal guard costs nothing. They can either cost nutrients lounging round Leeland, or they can cost nutrients actually doing something important. The cost is the same. Sending them out on assignment costs nothing extra.
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>>1987627
Dude, I don't know what to tell you if you don't get it.

The simplest, most basic answer is "Because it's cool and fun"

Which you know, entertainment is important for a game.

Arguing about it right now is pointless anyways because everyone is so invested in their side being right. It'll only be important when the time comes where QD calls for this as a vote during an active thread
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>>1987469
Basically yes. Augmented hybrid clones are more than capable of discrete or public missions in Union space anyway. They're next to impossible to kill already.

>>1987595
Totally agree. Considering the major significance of the psionic cannon, and how painfully slow it is to reload between shots, building multiple canons is the only way to effectively use them if we intend to fire more than twice.
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>>1987704
This 100%
Everyone is getting overly dramatic about a small but fun thing in a Quest designed to be fun.
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>>1987702
>Being impressive; getting to show off telekinesis
That's not only an incredibly poor reason to reveal our inhuman horrors, our speakers do exactly that. I can't think of any scenario that would warrant sending chimeras into the Union that wouldn't involve a speaker or whisperer.
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>>1987595
>>1987715
I still think getting Theseus/Heretic to research and build the cannons is one of the best choices since they are invisible to the Void watching them (as far as we know)

Plus the Unity's production capabilities and perfectionism will be crucial for designing cannons that don't break after two or three shots
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>>1987725
How many times do I have to say we aren't showing off our inhuman horrors? The risk of discovery is extremely low.

>>1987715
Agreed, ultimately it's just us doing something that's cool and fun. It being very low risk and having actual positive benefits is icing on the cake. Everyone is getting way too intense about this (probably including me). We should save any arguing for when the actual vote to deploy comes. For now I'm just very happy we decided to build them.
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>>1987702
>>1987735
Just because the risk is small doesn't mean we should do it if the reward is non-existent.

>>1987704
There's nothing wrong with having fun. I simply don't agree that using them as bodyguards would be fun.
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>>1987725
Personally, I think these Myrmidons would be better off doing visible stuff on Commonwealth worlds that are already friendly/sympathetic to the Hive as a propaganda move in an effort to stir up volunteers and immigration.

Commonwealth is certain to view the Hive much more positively in the wake of the Scavenger Invasions.

I still want to send a secret hive to the Commonwealth world that supposedly has a bunch of AIs either working alongside or being the goverment. Unity might like some new pen-pals
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>>1987735
Meant to reply to >>1987704 instead of >>1987715 apologies for the mis-click.

>>1987737
The reward is it's fun, impressive, and provides great protection for important people. It's not an amazing benefit, but I think it strongly outweighs the risks.

>>1987740
no problem here, but they're really better as special ops than on the front lines. It's hard to do propaganda when few people see you.
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A good example would be the hardlight furniture in our embassy or gravity plating on the hive ship.
A show of power that gives away some capabilities for the sake of showing the difference between Union and Hive technology and power while being amusing for us.

>>1987747
I disagree it would be fun, it would be impressive and I don't believe anyone connected to the hive is in enough danger to warrant something more than heavy warriors or honor guard as bodyguards.
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>>1987727
Nothing is invisible to the void anon, nothing. Imagine Seiners scrying ability and magnify that 1000 fold, and that's what we can assume the Void is capable of. Perfectly capable of perceiving anything you have know about anywhere with no restrictions. And we know it has seen Theseus.

The reason we have to be extremely careful who actually builds the weapon is not just because that will draw the the voids attention, but will somehow allow it to freely attack whoever fired it. It already knows of our alliance with Theseus. If the Unity built and fired the canon, we have no reason to think the void would simply ignore us once it's breached our reality. It would be completely obvious we were behind the project.

>>1987735
The discovery risk on a world at the heart of Union society would be non negligible at the best of times. If we sent them to Mentan they would be under constant observation and scanning attempts, do you think there hotel rooms wouldn't be bugged? Or do you think they would just live in their armor the entire deployment?

The chimeras are fine, but openly using them as VIP guards within Union space is all kinds of pointlessly risky.
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I kinda want to send Scav Chimera into battle against them.

Or hell, even some Ralighan Chimera Spiral Warriors since they're supposed to be unparalleled masters at zero-g combat
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>>1987785
>Or do you think they would just live in their armor the entire deployment?
That one.

Also, they have all the scanning augments that could help with detecting bugs and I doubt they'd live in a hotel room - we'd probably park a Corvette for Elizabeth/the guards to sleep in.

Also, scanning attempts wouldn't really work seeing they would refuse to be scanned, have diplomatic immunity, and can read the minds of/interdict anyone trying to surprise them.
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>>1987785
I was more on board with hybrids being the "Royal Guards" of our human allies since they can be explained as volunteers, after a few days of holding the Expanse and adopting some locals. Not as physically impressive as a Heavy and not as intimidating (but more combat effective) than simple Warrior Drones, they would actually put people more at ease.

I mean sure, there will be the psionic resistant tinfoil hat crackpots that will assume (correctly) they're clones but there are already people making those claims about Lee and the crew of the Hope.

The chimera would be better off for these spec-ops and antipsionic ops people are talking about.
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Is there something we need Elizabeth to be in person for as opposed to holographically managing the Bedrock research initiative? I can't imagine lil queen of blades being too happy about taking on a managerial position as opposed to pure research so maybe she'll just dump the whole thing to thinkers.
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>>1987821
I could definitely see her overseeing it by using holograms of herself throughout the place
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>>1987805
I think having creepy, heavily modded trained killers that never talk to each other and never get out of their drop suits, even when in supposedly friendly conditions, would be scary as hell to people even if they assumed they were genetically human. Which sort of defeats the point of using them on diplomatic missions.

Seriously, what's the appeal of using these in nominally peaceful situation among people we're trying to get to trust us? They're cool as hell to us, but to the people that actually meet them they'd be about as disturbing as the Cluster on Path. Not exactly something most people would want to follow into alien space.

I mean, there's a reason that real life bodyguards and secret service agents wear suits and ties to work, and combat fatigues. Most people would find heavily armed and armored trained killers...unnerving when trying to establish a positive relationship with someone of power.

>>1987821
Also, this. Most public addresses by our VIPs can be managed through holographics. God knows we're too busy to have our head researcher take a couple of days off to catch up with her Alma Mater.
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>>1987829
>I mean, there's a reason that real life bodyguards and secret service agents wear suits and ties to work, and combat fatigues.
not combat fatigues*
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>>1987821
Elizabeth can easily multi-task and we are more likely to get good scientists if she recruits them personally. People make personal connections differently face to face than over a hologram. She can also psionically manipulate people to want to work for the Hive.

For the good of her mental health she should spend more time with humans.
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>>1987821
>>1987836
She doesn't even sleep anymore. There's got to be some kind of mental detriment because of that.
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>>1987844
I'm not sure but we might have engineered that out of her. I'm probably wrong though.
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>>1987876
I think it was implied in her conversation with the Queen she's avoiding sleep to avoid the dreams formed from the implanted memories she got (I could be wrong though)
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>>1987879
Oh right that was a thing.
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While I can't exactly tell you how everyone would respond to any theoretical thing you do, I will try to give some details to help you make your decisions in a more informed manner.

Regarding the Chimera, the design in question would seem roughly humanoid in appearance, similar to the image posted in >>1984988
or in pic related. The design holds three layers of armor, so it would seem relatively bulky compared to a normal human, but still nothing that would be out of the ordinary for a typically bulky suit of armor, and still far more lean than a drop suit. Without armor, the metallic skin grafts covering the body would actually seem more like yet another suit of armor to the untrained eye, although the chimera would seem too lean for the "suit" to make sense by human standards which may cause some to question your miniaturization tech. The most revealing aspect of the chimera's appearance without armor would be the head, which would have a set of mandibles used to seal the mouth from toxins or to allow temporary exposure to vacuum, but could open to reveal the teeth. Since the mandible/mouth-guard replaces the lips, this design would not have a very reassuring smile, nor would it be very good at lengthy communication, and not just due to the mouth's abnormalities.

The brain of a chimera is fully capable of independent function, however the thought process itself is still quite alien and not at all familiar to that of a human. Because of this, clones cannot fully remember what they did as a chimera after being altered back into a replicant or hybrid, and instead perceive their memories as a chimera as a strange and blurry dream. Chimera themselves are not fond of small talk, largely due to their increased level of hive genetics that makes them focus on their task, and little else. They will prefer to use the more efficient method of psionic communication over verbal communication as it feels more natural to them, but can use virtally any method in a pinch, such as radio, verbal speech, written letters, or morse code. If made to speak, they will speak in short sentence fragments and attempt to convey their thoughts as quickly as possible, or with pre-assembled phrases fed to them prior to their deployment, such as basic requests or demands.

The technology for a suit to organize the needed biological functions of an organic body without needing to remove it is well known across human space, and is integrated in most flight suits, space suits to a lesser degree, and in some advanced armors to allow continuous operation for days without removal, so this particular oddity would not be considered strange to anyone savvy in military technology.

Also, while up until now I have largely just considered your armory to consist of efficient military weapons, now that you are discussing clone agents using hive made weapons, I could have your thinkers devise methods of making your weapons more suitable for non-drone use if you would like.
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>>1987967
While I appreciate your info dumps as much as the next guy, most of the debate we're having is over the issue of how the people of the Union would react to encountering one of these things. Though it has occurred to me that we could always mutate a myrmidon into a hybrid with all their augs intact if we wanted to deploy them in environments where they have to interact with humans. The metamorphosis still takes about a day to perform right? Is there any way we could speed that process up? Us anons have difficulty predicting situations where such specialized units could be used a day in advance.

And on the subject of military weapons, I would fully support directing our thinkers to develop human compatible weapons. If we could figure out how to reliably mass produce such weapons we could make a mint selling them. Besides, we have to equip our human and hybrid agents with something when we deploy them.
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>Beside it is a round coffee mug filled with some sweet smelling reddish colored water
So I got an idea for a new Hive export

>Queen invents Slurm
>RJ Soda! (Royal Jelly Soda)
>"If it's good enough for the Queen of the Red Hive, it's good enough for you!"
>*catchy jingle plays*
>Comes in many unique flavors sampled across the galaxy! Try such favorites as:
>Classic Red, the Flavor that started it all
>Huron Blue
>Leeland Orange
>Ralighan Punch (Warning: Contains minor hallucinogens, not legal everywhere)
>Obsidian Salt (A flavor thought doomed to fail but oddly popular among the professional gaming community)
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>>1988005
and like, imagine the pic but it's a cartoony Speaker or Worker Drone
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>>1988005
Haha I support it

>It's deliciously addictive!
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>>1988005
I support it
I reminds me of My gummi Grubs Idea i am going to post it later when i find it
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>>1988005
What the hell, we were already planning introducing Mama Red's sugar grit spread for humans to the interstellar market. So hell yeah, let's make a royal jelly flavor variant that's based on that sugary juice our throne makes, Vaughn already digs it.

Speaking of that throne, we really ought to consider moving back in there some time.
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>>1988180
I'd argue we should be going under the crust of the planet.
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>>1988005
I love, make 10
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>>1988185
Support
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>>1988180
I support the juice but not moving
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>>1988003
I think QD is saying that the Chimera design will look like a human in Hive armor to most people and that even without the medium armor people might mistake the head mandibles and metal skin for just another suit of armor if they only get a brief look.

In short, the major "reveal" to the Union would only be that humans work for the Hive and that we have tech compatible with humans. We aren't revealing chimeras, hybrids, or clones merely by deploying the Myrmidon design.
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>>1988180
Mama Red's sugar grit spread
Is a perfect name and are we going to sell through "FormOther"? also love the hidden message "For mOther"
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Rereading the Centicom raid threads and I hope the survivalist felt Mothers embrace one last time before he did what he did. A nords last thought should be of home.
Also if that Smith wasn't recovered by us it's pretty safe to assume the Union has knowledge of Hive augments.
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>>1987627
I still prefer the Royal Guard design as an elite guard unit for dignitaries.
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>>1989821
Do you mean the royal guard design on the wiki?

They wouldn't fit inside many human spaces (like elevators) and could't fit in human vehicles or use their tech. That's a pretty big disadvantage when they're supposed to mostly be in human dominated areas.
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>>1989975
Well Heavy Warriors serve as our honor-guard for dignitaries right now, and they don't have those problems so I have to disagree, because the Royal Guards are just Heavy Warriors with extra gubbins tacked on.
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>>1990036
Did you forget that the heavy warrior had this exact problem? See: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/998554/#p999239

>"Only representatives allowed inside." He squeaks.

>"I think it's going to try to follow me in anyways." Lee says. The guard, a man far less armed or armored than those further outside, grips a stun baton nervously at his side.

>"I don't think he will fit in the scanner. And for sure not in the elevator." He says as he takes a step back. Lee just scratches his head.

>"Alright." He says and turns to your heavy warrior. "Just stay here." He says and walks through the scanner. The warrior inches forward in mild concern, the drone's function as a body guard seemingly in jeopardy.
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>>1990133
Cont
>"No, stay, right here. In fact, probably best you stick to the embassy, I'll be fine." The warrior groans, its chitinous armor flexing as it squirms in indecision until you recall its security duty until after the meeting.

The heavy warrior was too large to go to parliament and had to be recalled to the Embassy. It was unable to effectively function as a guard.
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>>1990133
>>1990176
No, I think you missed the crucial part that prevented it from functioning as a guard even though you mentioned it there.

>"Only representatives allowed inside." He squeaks.
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>>1990276
Except, you know, he has a fucking point. The damn drone can't even fit anyways.
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>>1990337
If guards were allowed then there would've been a way for the drone to accompany Lee to where ever he was going. Even if it meant taking the stairs. This was clearly just a comical writing twist from QD to emphasize the humor of how terrifying our Heavy Warriors are as compared to what political staff typically deal with.

And if you're worried about them fitting in a situation where they actually have to act in combat as a guard, then the drone was easily capable of ripping the doors open and then carrying Lee or riding on top of the elevator in the shaft.
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>>1990377
Are you serious?

They would have let us bring a guard if they could fit. Do you really think that rent-a-cop would try to arrest a Hive rep? Lee was unguarded because the drone didn't fit not because the guard told us "no."

Here is a hypothetical - Lee or Elizabeth has an important meeting at the top of a 500 story skyscraper with a mega-corp CEO. The only landing pad is occupied by the CEO's personal hover-car.

Do we:
A. Have the heavy warrior run up 500 flights of stairs to burst in on the meeting?
B. Have the heavy warrior claw open an elevator and ride on top?
C. Demand access to the landing zone and risk scaring away/pissing off the contact?
D. Send Lee/Liz into an unsecured environment?
E. Have a fucking human sized guard available so we don't have to worry about this bullshit?
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>>1990572
I'll raise you with:

That's either going to be a plot point, in which case there would be a contrivance to ensure we'd have to make a decision (as players) whether to keep our guards close-by or far-away and not piss folks off. This contrivance would be structured as to affect our guards regardless of whether they were human, drone, or what-have-you because it's clearly a non-friendly force that's doing this OR the area would be accessible to our guards.

OR

It won't be a plot point, in which case it's flavor text, as it was in the example you're referencing.

Also we would've been causing an incident if we'd tried to, you know, bring a heavy combat unit literally into the Union's center of governance against policy and request.
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>>1990614
The point I'm making is not that the exact scenario I outlined would happen (although it could). It is just an example.

The point is that having guards that are far too large to effectively provide protection in a human sized environment is a security risk. It is not contrived at all to suspect that someone might plan to attack one of our representatives when they are unguarded because the drones are too large to protect them.

>Also we would've been causing an incident
This was right after we had plopped an invasion fleet over the capital and demanded half their territory. Saying our key representatives needs an escort because of a "cultural thing" would not even register as an incident compared to that.

That being said, I agree we don't need guards inside the parliament complex and I agree we didn't need to have a warrior guarding lee there. I only brought it up as an example of our heavy warriors not fitting in an area when you previously claimed they had never had problems fitting in human areas.
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>>1990783
Fair enough, but I still don't think that it would be a security issue to have a drone provide security. As evidence I'd cite that our drones have been providing security thus far and it's been fine.
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>>1990572
Our drones are all extremely flexible and limber when they want to be. FFS they use the air vents on hive ships as corridors for quick and easy movement through the vessel, even the heavy ones.
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>>1990839
I guess we'll need to have QD rule on this.

>>1990827
That's fair, but security only works until it doesn't. I'm just trying to anticipate what the next threat might be rather than waiting until after an attack to adapt.
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>>1990865
Just saying, all of our drones are designed to be extraordinarily compact for their relative mass and capable of navigating extremely claustrophobic (by human standards) spaces with ease.

The way QD has described it in the past is that our drones can essentially fold themselves into small spaces, regaining their full stature when they start stretching their limbs. Which is how we can fit colossi into space pods, and workers to use vents in a human buildings vents to move through it quicker. Theoretically we could even stuff a Titan into space pod, since it's still the same size classification as any other large drone.
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>>1990923
I still can't imagine stuffing a heavy warrior into a hover-car, but I hope you're right. It'd make using (non-small) drones in human areas much easier.
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>I still can't imagine stuffing a heavy warrior into a hover-car
Oh come on, it's easier than you might think, even humans can do it!
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Oh, so here's an idea I thought of.

The humans that observed the Void at the Black hole/Anchor only managed to get away due to their 'Blind'-ness and their technology absolutely lacking any trace of tachyonic signature. If this was otherwise then I bet their ship, satellite, and etc. would've been destroyed by the silver-blob as soon as it was detectable.

As a result, I think that any direct assaults by hive units against the Anchor are ill-advised and likely to result in disaster.
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>>1975957
>filename
Oh man, Scorn looks great. Wish more information was released about it.
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>>1976699
>"You are a part of the Hive now." Your drone replies. "The Queen cares for all her children."
D'aww.

Seiner needed that. Still wish we never killed him, the real him never found out the truth.
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>>1992267
Oh that we're agreed. Assaulting the Void or even going anywhere near it with Tachyons is suicidal until we at least a working psionic cannon.
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As a compromise about the Myrmidon and Royal Guard discussion, we could have some hybrid clones wearing hive tech armor and say they're mercenaries hired by the Hive
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>>1994850
I fully support the Myrmidons.

I just want Royal Guards too.
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>>1987967
So what you're saying that the ideal teams would be a Hybrid Handler directing a squad of Chimera since the chimera are seemingly a lot more bestial in nature than a hybrid who has more cognitive planning ability.

Essentially similar to how we sent Elizabeth in to deal with the Tartarus Reactor while she guided the drones.
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>>1995389
>that the ideal teams would be a Hybrid Handler directing a squad of Chimera since the chimera are seemingly a lot more bestial in nature than a hybrid who has more cognitive planning ability.

Where are you hearing that at all? While the mind of a Chimera is more instinctive than that of our other clones, per the Pastebin:
"they [Chimeras] have the mental capacities of a hybrid"
Chimeras are at least as smart as Hybrids, and are even better in terms of coordination between each other.
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>>1994850
Human hybrids in heavy gear would be extremely useful even outside of public ops. And we can always mutate a chimera into a hybrid or vice versa.

Of course I also think we should be thinking about hiring actual human mercenaries into the hive. Many of the humans we've adopted have proved how a lifetime of experience makes an agent effective in ways even we can't just reproduce. Maybe we could ask the Commonwealth if they've got a source of human soldiers to employ, it's something they seem to specialize in.
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>>1997467
Well I don't know, the Senticom clones did just fine. The only thing actual real-life people have that makes them more effective than equivalent clones is contacts that come from having been a real person their whole lives.

Speaking of Senticom, where's our goddamn Super Suit?
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>>1997467
The only reason we'd want mercenaries would be to upgrade our experience templates. Getting contacts is just a matter of adopting more random humans.
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>>1995389
It's not quite that they are more bestial, they are just as smart, it's just that their brains work under ChimeraOS instead of HumanOS, so their thoughts are more alien and memories made as a chimera can't be readily remembered once they turn back into hybrids, and they are don't have the same capacity for non-psionic communication, nor do they have the desire for non-essential communication or social interaction. To humans, they would seen especially well disciplined, and it is customary to largely ignore bodyguards anyways so their lack of social skills would not be an issue in a bodyguard context, though they would be in near constant mental communication with their ward so as to proactively react to the situation and the needs of the individual being guarded.

As per >>1975162
No thread today, but I will continue to track this thread and answer questions and address any unclear issues as best I can.
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>>1997973
What happened to the Smith that fell during the Centicom raid?
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>>1997981
I doubt we know. If we know anything it'd be through intercepted communications related to recovering/extracting the Smith, and if anyone got that it'd be Theseus. We could ask I guess.
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>>1997973
Chimera's are just sounding more and more badass the more you talk about them.
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>>1998083
They're chronically underused. "Too expensive!" anons always say.
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>>1998101
For line troops, certainly.

As bodyguards for our special independent children, I think they'd be a better investment than Heavy Warriors.

We should get one or two for Lee, Seiner, and Kerr-Elizabeth asap.

Maybe we could make one for Lyle as a sparring partner?
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>>1998101
A single myrmidon replaces 39 standard warriors in upkeep.
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>>1998116
Lee would be incredibly useful if someone assassinated him, Seiner is not leaving Leeland until we understand everything about his new condition and afterwards is useful only as a seer and Elizabeth seems to be magnetically attracted to her research lab.
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>>1998128
We're not letting Lee get killed to score political points, anon. And Elizabeth is going to be helping run our Thinktank with other human scientists, remember? A little muscle and protection to back her up is only prudent. Seiner I could go either way on.
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>>1998118
And yet if you put 39 warriors up against a smith where neither had homeground advantage they'd lose.
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>>1998132
He'd only be killed for a moment.
I mostly made that in jest but in seriousness I simply don't see them as being seen as important or valuable enough for someone to want to assassinate them to the point of getting together resources capable of penetrating their existing guards. If anyone actually was that important I'd recommend shipping them off to Leeland and having them act in proxy via holographics.
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>>1998141
A single myrmidon also replaces in upkeep 13 Colossi each one capable of taking on a Smith.
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>>1998151
The Smith damn near won against our Colossi. We got good rolls in that fight.

Also Colossi can only take on a Smith where they can fit. Which is significantly less places than where a Smith can fit.
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>>1998161
>>1998151
And this all aside, we don't pay upkeep for individual drones anymore, you twat.
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>>1998151

I don't think you fully grasp just how much our economy has grown. We -can- afford to splurge a little in this endeavour. And seeing how our chimaeras work in action would give good data on how to further tweak our drones.
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>>1998164
Either we place in the swarms where they'd take up their upkeep in resources making the swarm smaller in number or we have them followed separately like clones or hybrids. I'm not even against Myrmidons or chimera but using them as bodyguards is just odd. Using them as anti-void specialists I'm completely fine with.
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>>1998202
>Using SpecOps units like the Myrmidon (or literally any other hybrid/chimera) in any swarm where we'd have regular warriors/colossi in.
They are completely different niches, they do not overlap, your comparison is invalid. Anywhere we'd want to deploy regular warriors or colossi is NOT where we'd want to deploy extremely expensive units, and vice versa. Warriors are the best at being fielded in huge numbers, which is NOT what other designs are ALWAYS necessarily for.
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>>1998214
So we'd be tracking them individually like hybrids or clones.
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>>1998216
Mmm, we do don't we? In fact, right now we spend the grand sum of 3908 nutrients per day on all our clones, and yet somehow we still manage to have all the drones we could ever need in all our swarms.
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>>1998229
I'd vote for implementing Chimera's into special operations. Maybe even have groups of them working alongside our clones when we send them out.
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>>1998229
3908N a day being enough to sustain 781.6 Warriors every day if we would spend that money on warriors instead! And yet, SOMEHOW, Leeland still manages to be filled with drones! Including warriors! As do our fleets that are assaulting Scav holdings with the Commonwealth right now! How incredible! And our fleet over Gemini! And our Embassy on Gemini! This shit's crazy man, our swarms have enough drones even though we have a few more expensive units that are individually tracked! Holeeeeeee shit!
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>>1998346
Pretty sure this kind of thing is why GraveQM stopped keeping track of soldier numbers since it'd be impossible to keep track of the undead hordes just as much as it is to keep track of the drone swarms
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>>1997973
Awesome. Let's get some (finally). Looks like they'd be perfect guards.
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>>1998142
That's a good point, it's not like Lee is really doing much for the hive that the hive can't do itself right now anyway. And he's the only human agent who has any reason to be outside the hive at any given time, everyone else can use holographic space phones to communicate.
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>>1998787
Nah, Graves is just lazy and afraid of numbers with more than 4 digits. I think QD switched mainly because he realized that there was no way anons would be able to cohesively micromanage a population of billions of different drones. If we were able to set the number of workers, clones, and all the different breeds of warriors without starting a shitstorm lasting half the thread I think QD would have kept the old system.
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>>1999323
Yeah, but the more important we make Lee appear, the more resources the Union will put into monitoring him and keeping tabs on him. In order for him to be a good decoy or distraction, we have to take him seriously too. And he's our Lee, why wouldn't we take care of him?
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>>1999341
>Nah, Graves is just lazy and afraid of numbers with more than 4 digits.
I don't blame him. Fuck math.
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>>1999368
Agreed.
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QD, is it possible to turn "non-replicant" humans like Lyle & friends into hybrids?

I'm just thinking of all the fun we could have if we gave Lyle a moderate relay and turned him into a space-wizard.
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>>2002130
>I'm just thinking of all the fun we could have if we gave Lyle a moderate relay and turned him into a space-wizard.
He would abuse that so fucking much.
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>>2002430
>>2002130

I can't wait until we give him a reverse engineered gravity suit.
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>>2002130
We can't turn anyone we have a parasite in into a hybrid but we don't need to change them to give them a medium relay.
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>>2003133
Didn't we just recently, through some research or another, unlock a moderate relay cybernetic?
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>>2003133
Pretty certain any host with a Parasite can be turned into a Hybrid or Chimera, just not a Replicant since they're basically Pod-People and a hybrid is just a subtle alteration to the base genetics for general improvement
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>>2003133
Isn't it the other way around. Pastebin says: "Any non-hive life, clone or natural, that is implanted with a parasite and is connected to your hive network can be made to mutate into another type of clone. Natural creatures count as a Replicant statistically. Chimeras can pupate to grow or shed adaptations without a parasite, but cannot mutate into a new clone type unless implanted."

So we actually need to have a parasite to do any mutations.
I'm not sure if regular non-hybrid humans could handle a moderate relay. It'd be neat if we could give them one, though. On the other hand, watching Lyle stuff himself with food so he could undergo the transformation to hybrid would be hilarious.

>>2003173
I'm not sure. I hope so. You're not all off about Seiner's thing, right?
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>>2002130
>>2003133
Y'all scrubs need to learn how to read the pastebins.
>Mutation and Metamorphosis
Any non-hive life, clone or natural, that is implanted with a parasite and is connected to your hive network can be made to mutate into another type of clone. Natural creatures count as a Replicant statistically. Chimeras can pupate to grow or shed adaptations without a parasite, but cannot mutate into a new clone type unless implanted. The mutation takes a single day during which the clone’s upkeep is doubled. A Replicant can mutate into a Hybrid, a Hybrid into either a Repicant or a Chimera, and a Chimera can mutate into a Hybrid, or alter its adaptations. When mutating from Hybrid to Chimera it cannot adjust adaptations, however you can elect to have it continue its mutation for an additional day to give it the time to grow new adaptations. The mutation itself is different depending on the nature of the mutation.
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>>2003319
>>2003465
>>2003292

Autocorrect made "can" "can't"
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>>2003173
Also the implantable relay isn't recent. It was finished at least 30 threads ago I think though I have to check to be sure.
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>>2003613
Found it. Thread 45

>Psionic implantation
>Part genetic mutation, part cybernetic implant, this procedure injects a solution of psionic sensitive neural crystals into the subjects brain, where they take root in the occipital lobe, and then spread from there to form into the equivalent of a moderate relay. The relay is sensitive to, but not included in the network of the hive, meaning the subject cannot be used to pass orders to drones or extend hive network range, but the subject is sensitive to psionic activity, and can pass on orders through the queen, should they be permitted, as well as gaining the other benefits of the enhanced moderate relay. The alteration causes minor mutations and deformations in the skull and skin, generating small quill-like spines used to conduct, receive, and transmit psionic signals that sprout from the skull. Small scab-like layers of hardened skin grow around the quills to protect it, and the quills themselves are hinged, and can be folded flush against the scalp. May also cause minor skin discoloration near the eyes and temples, and pronounced veins visible under the skin due to an increase in blood flow to the head. Apart from direct visual confirmation, the modification is not otherwise detectable by medical testing, and does not impart any control over the subject by a hive network.
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>>2003646
Might be a bad idea but I kinda want to ask Coil if he wants one. Lyle's team is just missing a Ceph Psi-Wizard
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>>2003667
We should give one to Lyle himself, with a memory crystal to boot. Don't want to lose our best guy.
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>>2003733
Can't wait for our memory seed tech to finish development. I'm really looking forward to how the human characters in this quest, and their respective societies, react to flawless EVE style cloning and body doubles.
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>>2003796
Dillon's parasite jealousy intensifies.
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You know, sometimes I'm disappointed we didn't just go full evil invading eldritch entity from another galaxy.

All these fun and horrifying toys and biological weapons we'll never be able to use.
>inb4 'but muh obsidian queen'
Who the fuck cares about carpet bombing a bunch of literally brainless bugs? That's not an intense, terrifying invasion, that's pest control.
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>>2004206
I might be stupid for doing so, but I still hold a candle in my heart that we'll get a chance to go full nid in a spacewar at some point. If I had realized how few chances we would get to actually use our delicious super weapons, I would have voted very differently in the past at certain points. I would literally give my front two teeth for the opportunity to really unleash or WMD toolkit on some unsuspecting fools.

Can you imagine crop dusting entire Union planets with fast acting fungal spores? To see entire populations of humans being driven into a murderous frenzy as the spores infect their homes as our creep spreads?

You can tell from the way he writes encounters with the unknown that QD has a real talent for describing and conveying absolute horror and dread, and playing the role of the unspeakable horror itself is indeed one of the most fun things we ever get to do in this quest. I'd take any chance we get to engage in the quest that way.
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>>2004365
Well that depends on which of the two human empires tries to fuck us on the agreements we made.
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>>2004431
We never will now, we've aligned and portrayed ourselves as the good guys now who only want to keep the sapient species safe.

We pretty much locked ourselves out of that path by doing this.
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>>2004439
>He thinks we wouldn't start a horrifying war over void shards and artifacts.
It would also be easier if we laid another queen since the Scarred Queen is too nice.
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>>2004439
>We never will now, we've aligned and portrayed ourselves as the good guys now who only want to keep the sapient species safe.
Don't make me laugh. Just because we haven't found any cause to use our big guns doesn't make us the nice guy, we haven't really been 'nice' to anybody we're not allied with aside from the Commonwealth.

Have you forgotten about all the humans and taidarens we've forcibly adopted throughout the Union? Or how we forced the Union to cede nearly half of it's claimed territory at gun point?
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>>2004439
We aren't locked in, but I think we realize that mind-control and slaughtering indiscriminately is what makes the Void so hated (among other things) and we don't want to fall into the trap of becoming that which we despise.

>>2004469
>He thinks we wouldn't start a horrifying war over void shards and artifacts.

If the Union lies to us and tries to pull a fast one with the Shards they're supposedly delivering at Gemini we can overtly threaten to destroy them unless they stop fucking around and actually obey. If and only if they continuously lie to us about the shards while knowing doing so would