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>>1954680

You are the Courier. A man of many things and many words, though right now in the immediate you are doing your best to find the words to fix a lapse in judgement in Zion, and prevent the breakdown of social order after a religious mishap, employing Joshua to assist you in this endeavour.

Currently, you walk with him and a host of Dead Horses toward Zion. You wonder if as a show of force, or as something else entirely.
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>>1958571
It takes several days, but eventually the Dead Horse arrives at the Sorrows. Thankfully, it still looks peaceful, but at the sight of you clanking around in your armor the Sorrows amass to.

"Where is the Holy Mother?" they ask "Where did you take her?" "Do you know where she is."

Joshua calls out to them in the tribal tongue (you're able to understand it, mostly through empathy, though you don't know the very fine details often and some words escape you)

Behind you the Eyebots deploy, as the crowd hushes and Joshua speaks in english.

"Sorrows. Dead Horses.

But a few days ago, some of you have seen traveling with the Courier, a goddess. Some of you asked her if she was the Holy Bride, wife of the Father in the Caves, and she told you yes.

But listen to me. A goddess she may be, but not the Holy Bride, nor the Heavenly Mother Daniel has preached of."

A great murmur in the crowd and a raising of voices, but Joshua shouted for silence, and all the crowd became still. Looks like banking on Joshua's influence was a good call here.

"You ask how I know this. How I would know this. I will tell you.

I have met her before. When I was still the Malpais Legate.

And I will prove to you, her true identity."

He signals you to summon her. This time, it's you going along with Joshua's plans.

>con't
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>>1958616
The eyebots silently project Diana again, and all look upon her with awe and wonder, Sorrow and Dead Horse alike. She is displayed in all her grace and grandeur, greenery and a halo of light surrounds her as she stares down while people begin to kneel or pray or prostrate themselves.

Joshua steps up on a rock to speak with her, staring her face to face.

"Hearken to me," he says "what is your name."

"Diana, Goddess of Nature, Mother of Life, from whom all things are sourced and to whom all things will return."

The crowd murmurs again, but stays quiet as Joshua is speaking.

"And are you not also Diana, Goddess of the Twin Mothers tribe, who dwelled in the city carved in the stone?"

Diana's mood shifts, as she hears him recognize her lost tribe.

". ..I am."

Joshua once more turns to the people.

"This is Diana, of the Twin Mothers tribe. She is NOT the Bride of the Father, or the Heavenly Mother that Daniel speaks of. She herself, was confused when you asked if you were her lost children.

For she has lost her children, her tribe. They were taken from her.

I know this, for I am the one who did it."

The crowd whispers again, wondering what he means.

"I was the Malpais Legate, who ordered the destruction of the Twin Mothers tribe. I ordered the males to be crucified, the women to be raped and sold as wives, and the children enslaved. I ordered the burning of the city carved in the mountain, and the burying of the Vault which she dwelled in."

At this there is a visible shock echoing through the crowd, and even among Diana.

"Reddite ergo quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo.

These were the words I spoke to you then. Do you remember me now?"

Diana suddenly has a flash of remembrance on her face, which turns into an angry, furious glare and tears.

>con't
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>>1958684
Did the sorrows and dead horses know Joshua was the ex-legate, or ex-legion, or is this a complete surprise to them?
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>>1958684
"Yes" Diana says, in anger. "I remember you. You were the leader of the soldiers who butchered my tribe. You cover your body in bandages to try and hide but I could never forget that voice and those words."

Joshua nods. "I cover my body in bandages to cover the burns I sustained from the Legion, and a reminder of my past sins. Every day I bear the pain of them, the fires that have not yet burned out of my flesh, that I might not forget. And every day I seek atonement from the Lord and from those I have wronged.

That is why I was thankful that you were still alive.

Diana of the Twin Mothers, I offer you my apologies for all that I did to you and your people, and for your forgiveness. And that if you cannot forgive me, then think of those who are here. Confusion has been sown, and only you may clarify it.

If you truly are a peacemaker, then I humbly ask you, help maintain the peace here and explain to them who you are."

Diana looks at Joshua, an array of emotions on her face, including hesitancy. You think this could all go very good or very bad right now.

>con't

>>1958731
They know. He tells them about Legion tactics all the time and how to defeat them.
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>>1958803
Well played Joshua.

Still going to have a stern seeing-to with the AI.
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>>1958803
Diana says something so soft, but says it again louder.

"I forgive you" tears in her eyes.

Even after all that happened to her, the destruction of her tribe and all that was done, she finds it in herself to forgive.

Now Joshua is the one with a few tears in his eyes. "Thank you, Diana."

After that, Diana raises her arms high so that all can see her.

"Tribals of Zion. I am not the Holy Bride of the Father in the Caves. I am not the Heavenly Mother preached by Daniel. I am Diana, a goddess of nature.

My lands, and what Children of mine remain, are far away. I thought to make you my own children, that you would accept me as your mother to teach you how to live in peace and what forgiveness means. But I can see, it is I who have been taught a lesson in forgiveness by this man. Heed him well."

That sounds about the right time to make Diana vanish, and you turn off the Projectors.

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There was some commotion after that, but things started to clear up. The Sorrows faith(s) have been shaken up a little, Daniel intends to rebuild where he left off. He's somewhat impressed that you chose to choose Joshua, and glad that you didn't go through with the ruse.

>Daniel
"It will take time to rebuild, but we Mormon's consider missionary work a necessary element of our faith.

I think, Joshua made a very good example of forgiveness. Something we can teach, and hopefully get the right message across."

>con't
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Hey OP question are you still giving bonuses for fan art / propaganda posters?
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>>1958918
Kind of yes. Depends on the type of art and I try to make something relevant.

>>1958914
Now that things have settled down, you are certain that Joshua will help keep the peace and that Daniel and the Mormons are satisfied.

You're actually amazed it went down like that, it could have completely blown up. Joshua doesn't seem like much of a gambling man.

>You
"So Joshua, how did you know she would forgive you?"

>Joshua
"I didn't. Forgiveness is not something you can force or demand. It is given, just as the Lord forgives all our sins from his eternal love for mankind if only we ask."

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Looks like you're free to relax a bit.
>What do?
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>>1958930
Go back home, continue with science.
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>>1958930
First off, thank Joshua and ask if he would mind coming with us to our town to discuss the future and stuff.

Secondly, get back on our ship and get back to business like >>1958934 says.
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>>1958930
Continue our date with Dianna in a more secluded area that wont cause religious issues.
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>>1958969
Honestly, considering weve wasted a thread and a half on this we should just go home and get on with it. This is obviously a point of different opinions and not that much good (I am very happy we managed to actually chip her in the first place despite the whiteknights). Lets just move on with the turn.
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>>1958930
QM, out of curiosity, how bad would it have been for us if we hadnt taken control of the Nursery when we did and the Reavers had sent the message?
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>>1958950
Seconding this.
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>>1958993
In my opinion, Chipping her to begin with was the correct decision to make. To much hinged on it, and it was the best outcome in a list of bad choices.

I am hesitant to alter the chip / remove it for either good or bad until we have a better understanding of her character and how she will react to our goals in the future.
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>>1958950
Yeah sure. Had lots of exitement. Diana Probably wants some time to think on things.
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>>1958996
Well, the BoS would likely have the Nursery or at least Diana's ear.
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>>1958993
That is more my fault due to my slowness of posting.

>>1958950
>>1959037
>>1959059
Joshua again, politely declines. His role is here in Zion, his time influencing the outside world is over.
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>>1959076
I'd ask if we can try a speech check, but I don't want to negatively impact the relationship if we fail...
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>>1959054
Agreed.

>>1959076
>His role is here in Zion, his time influencing the outside world is over.
And he is entirely aware of the situation the world is in? He doesn't want to come and see if we have anything useful to offer? Or to discuss matters regarding Zion / Utah?
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Damn, I just realized I linked the wrong thread.

>>1933120
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>>1959243
Are you playing Evola's quest?
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>BIG MT
https://pastebin.com/jAXYFRB1

>THE NURSERY
https://pastebin.com/ic3ac1xL

>MONTANNA
https://pastebin.com/hNDfikF9

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It wasn't the date you were hoping for with Diana and it could have gone a lot better. But at least she got to see more of the outside world, has some samples, and has gotten something off her chest.

>Diana
"Thank you for helping me to find some closure Courier."

You see her grasp your hand for the rest of the trip. Maybe it wasn't a complete waste after all.

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5 more squads of Assaultrons (5R) are Passively Produced.

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NEW TURN

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
+Biological Research does not count toward cap
>>>>>Turn: 120
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OP, can you make end of the date something quick? Like we spend another day or two in quest but in real life it's just a paragraph?
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>>1959273
>HERO
- Final date
- Assist with the CIV action
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
-scout elijah

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

>ROBO-RESEARCH
Box-assembly replicator equiped behemoths- like those old WW2 jeeps- make it fit through as small a portal as possible

>BIO RESEARCH
cures for post-war diseases

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
more securitrons

From last thread
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>>1959273

>HERO
- Final date
- Assist with the CIV action
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
-scout elijah

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

>ROBO-RESEARCH
Box-assembly behemoth, make it fit through the Montana teleporter.

>BIO RESEARCH
cures for post-war diseases

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
Bix-assembly behemoth, teleport it to Montana.
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>>1959276
If you wish. I can timeskip it. My schedule is fucked up and I have midterms right now, so if anon's want quicker turns I will comply.
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>>1959276
End of the date right there >>1959273.

>>1959273
Okay, first off OP, as a question what sounds better to you lyrically: should I follow "Step by step, the longest march..." with the traditional "can be won, can be won" or with the more inspirational "can be won, will be won"?

>>1959297
>Bix-assembly behemoth, teleport it to Montana.
We can't do that currently.
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>>1959312
>We can't do that currently.
But we can research it, then produce it in the same turn with another action. I recall we did something like this before.
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>>1959315
That implies they end up fitting into the teleporter, which they may not.
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>>1959312
hmmm. I wasn'tmuch of a song writer myself and I don't know the reference. I'd like "we will win" over "can be won"
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>>1959297
>Box-assembly behemoth, make it fit through the Montana teleporter.
This does not require an action, and would be a simple case of dissasembly and reassembly on the otherside
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>>1959331
Of course, you need to actually build the Montanna and This Side's large scale teleporter too.
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>>1959315
I retract my statement given what OP just said.

>>1959327
It's a work song / poem from a 19th century Mining Union rulebook but I've always liked it.

>>1959331
Wait, really? Well shit, let's get to it. I want to get Montana at least partly underway within the year so we can focus on other things.
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>>1959324
QM said we can research box-assembly versions for our bots and...
>>1959331
Oh, that's gre...
>>1959334
Oh, that's not great, i want to make the behemoth fit through what we have by making a box assembly version, is that not possible?
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>>1959334
OP that is specifically what we are saying, we want to make a variant that can fit through the Human sized teleporter by sending through individual components like upper / lower legs and shit.
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>>1959338
Unfortunately no, certain parts, such as the Fissile Reactor or the Alien Energy Cell variant would be far too big for it even if other components could fit through (and there are a number of other individisble parts)
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>>1959369
Two questions:

1) Could we carry a fully assembled Mobile replicator (can we come up with an actual name for it please?) to Montana using our Scoutship?

2) Can we carry the fissile reactor / energy cell for a disassembled one to Montana using the scoutship?
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>>1959369
>>1959377
Could the mobile replicator make a fissile reactor/energy cell by itself?
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>>1959377
Phone post.

1. In at least three trips. But only the medium sized replicator.

2. Yes but it glows in the dark and is noticeable on radar.
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>>1959386
>1. In at least three trips. But only the medium sized replicator.
What limitations does this medium sized replicator suffer? Could it, with sufficient time and resources / energy, produce the parts of a larger mobile replicator? How about a non-mobile one?

>2. Yes but it glows in the dark and is noticeable on radar.
Would it fit in the cargo hold?
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>>1959394
Thanks to your efforts in wireless transmission of power the main drawback is either investing enough power to convert pure energy into mass or figuring out a more effective way to ferry or harvest steel resource. The main drawback Is time especially if done only by humans and small robots without your large infrastructure from home

Nope it would have to be strapped under the hull and flown at low speed.
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>>1959410
Is it feasible to combine the mobile replicator and omni-constructor designs into one C&C MCV like unit?

Would having art help?
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>>1959410
I see. A few more questions:

What can a medium replicator produce? Would it be able to construct bases and such?
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Sounds like the behemoth is already built in parts, so

>HERO
- Final date
- Assist with the CIV action
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
-scout elijah

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

>ROBO-RESEARCH
Better robo-processor cores

>BIO RESEARCH
cures for post-war diseases

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
securitrons
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>>1959419
Could always just make a new and dedicated robot using both designs. As it stands the behemoth variant is solely a robot squad producer but not much else.

>>1959424
Faster than if you had none. A medium sized replicator can assemble securitrons.
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>>1959428
Alright, supporting this seeing as we can't teleport a Mobile War Factory easily.
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>>1959428
>Better robo-processor cores
We did this previously and OP implied that we'd maximised the amount of computing power we could get into a robot without expending additional resources. E,g the maximum refinement for our tech level.

I would thus advise making use of this for another purpose like a purpose built agricultural robot to replace our Mr farmers or, redesigning all of our robots but made of alien metal and refined where possible since we are beginning to transition to replicator industry and replicating alien metal should be cheaper than steel given it's lower mass but OP'll probably balance it.

>>1959450
>Faster than if you had none. A medium sized replicator can assemble securitrons.
Give me a timescale for producing a small / tiny cold fusion reactor and what effect attaching itself to and receiving more power that would have on it's ability to replicate.
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>>1959428
Why not, Ill support this.
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>>1959472
>like a purpose built agricultural robot to replace our Mr farmers
Already have a design, Omni-farmers or Omni-agriculture, something like that.
>redesigning all of our robots but made of alien metal and refined where possible since we are beginning to transition to replicator industry and replicating alien metal should be cheaper than steel given it's lower mass but OP'll probably balance it.
Actually isn't alien metal more expensive to replicate? Even if not i'd at least wait until we got the Universal-disintegrator built before switching to it.
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>>1959490
>Already have a design, Omni-farmers or Omni-agriculture, something like that.
That was a reward from a boon, not something we can reproduce easily or possibly even at all.

>Actually isn't alien metal more expensive to replicate? Even if not i'd at least wait until we got the Universal-disintegrator built before switching to it.
I know but it doesn't cost anything to have the designs at the ready, plus the Behemoth replicator model can produce them so it'd be a good test bed.
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>>1959472
Did he? what additional resources would we need? We have atom scale printing. We solved the Silicon Lottery.
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>>1959499
>That was a reward from a boon, not something we can reproduce easily or possibly even at all.
I thought we could, QM can we make more Omni-farmers?
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>>1959510
Eh, I know but to be fair he has to balance our shit out somehow.

Generally the implication is that if we advance our tech in any area, it becomes easier to advance in associated areas since your tools, production methods and all that shit are more refined. Better glass means better telescopes means better stellar navigation for a simple example.

So, general rule just do some research in other areas and the ability to advance will regenerate. That or invest in developing bigger / better facilities to research it or bigger teams of scientists and shit.
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>>1959511
Yes.
>>1959472
A tiny one at your level you could probably produce one a month and it would power a large robot forever. Connected to a replicator you could produce an abundance of small parts or a squad of robots in about a month

Just add water.
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>>1959544
>Yes.
Well that answers that, no need to research a design.
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>>1959544
I just want to make sure you understand my question:


If we were to send a medium sized mobile replicator to Montana and have it produce / construct a tiny cold fusion plant and then make use of the power it provided what effect would that have on it's ability to replicate? How long would it take to produce this initial reactor?
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>>1959553
Yeah, that does change things.
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>>1959544
How fast could a Omni-contructor build a small/tiny cold fusion reactor?
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>>1959580
Your rate and ability to build Tiny/Small Cold Fusion reactors in a month takes into account all of BigMT's efforts put into one action.

>>1959562
That would take longer, at least two turns or more depending on how you do it, but feasible given time.
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>>1959428
>>1959468
>>1959473
LOCKED

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>HERO
- Final date
As you go to approach Vanessa, you suddenly find yourself ganged up by (almost) all your wives. With the exception of Dandan and Unity, they all want to know something.

"Hang on Courier." says Veronica "You've been putting a new baby in all of us, starting with Wendy, for the past month on schedule. By the time you reached Sonia we all knew each of us were going to get it.

Except last month. And now you're going after Vanessa.

Are you seeing someone else we don't know about? We saw you take the UFO and the ZAX isn't telling us where you've been!"

oh crap

>What say?
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>>1960212
Welll...

Maybe mumble something about a super secret dangerous mission to...Texas?
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>>1959428
>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

Jacob Miles and the the Construction Tact organizing two entire Engineering Divisions and almost all the effort of BigMT's multiple factories and facilities, begin the long and arduous task of laying the deepest foundations of the twin super fortified underground structures.

"What we're doing here would have taken the same effort Vault Tec would do for a whole entire Vault and then some."

Everyone's spirits are raised to learn that we are more than rivaling even the mighty Old World companies in such an arduous and unforgiving task, as the giant crane starts lowering crew and machines and pipes to pour the masses and masses of hexcrete.

It was decided to not use Steel Reinforcing this time, thanks to Hexcrete's fantastical properties it was feasible. The idea is that unreinforced concrete does not suffer internal corossion from the steel reinforcing, and thus the ancient concrete structures of antiquity have lasted thousands of years. Most Vault-Tec Vaults are also similarly, plain concrete and designed to last. Even so, steel and metal are still going to be necessary for the vast amount of pipes and wiring. No expense was spared, and many of the components are to be made of Alien Metal which while astonishingly expensive, will also last through the ages.

We have been amassing hexcrete for nearly a year since we turned on the mines, but at the rate we are using it we're going to be depleted in the forseeable future. But not the near future at least.

We are rapidly expending resources.
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>>1960283
Might want to get the Universal disintegrator first, it'll help stave off resource depletion and we got a pile of dirt to give it.
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>>1960212
"It's a long and complicated story but essentially I was dealing with a pre-war ZAX with delusions of being a god and it all boils down to me really not considering that I shouldn't bring the glowing fake-god to a bunch of impressionable tribals while gathering samples of plants.

Trust me, one day I'll introduce you all to it...her...whatever you should call a ZAX under the control of a Woman's brain."

>>1960294
Agreed. Hell we can deactivate the robotics factory for it since the replicators could produce robots if we really needed them.
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>>1960311
Any anon's object/support?
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>>1960334
Wait for at least two others would you? I don't want to accidentally fuck this up.
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>>1960311
Yeah, that sounds good.

Perfect amount of truth and vagueness.
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>>1960311
fuck it why not
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>>1960311
"Why don't you introduce 'her' to us right now?

You don't really refer to computers as "she" at all. Are you sure its just a computer and not like, a real woman controlling it or something?

*sigh* Why do I get the feeling I know exactly how you dealt with 'her'."
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>>1960410
>"Why don't you introduce 'her' to us right now?
"Because she's a being which for the last 200 years hadn't had a single moment of interaction where the other side didn't think she was a god. Trust me, it gets a little annoying how she acts.

Not to mention the fact that the place is on the other side of the MLA-Legion lands unless you want to go by teleport in which case it'll take a fair bit of time for all of you to get there thanks to the need to recharge on either end. There's also the fact that I am uncertain most of you would get along with her."

>You don't really refer to computers as "she" at all.
"Hey, don't let SPI here you say that or she'll be unhappy."

>Are you sure its just a computer and not like, a real woman controlling it or something?
"Seeing as the tribe she is protecting talks about her being around for their grandfather's birth and such, probably not. Also the fact that I've seen her brain in the ZAX."

>*sigh* Why do I get the feeling I know exactly how you dealt with 'her'."
"I can do many things, I can't dick a computer."


Good?
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>>1960444
"I can do many things, I can't dick a computer."
>... yet
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>>1960444
"SPI was a created computer program. Whatever computer this is, it is a created program right? Not like a real person put into a machine or something like the Think Tank are right?"

>You
[Wasn't ARES also a created program and not a former human though? If you were okay with her. . .]

They fume at this but are unable to reply.

>>1960449
"ARES would beg to differ if she were around.

You don't have to take us to it, just wanted to see exactly what it is that made you miss one of us. We're only worried your seeing another person we don't know about. If its just a computer program that you had to deal with that'd be okay, I guess."

"At least back in the Mojave you introduced us to the next girl you wanted to add to the posse!"

"Its not that we mind sharing Courier, or none of us would be here right now. But just like, be honest with us okay."

Since when did the women get so clingy.

Oh right, the pregnancy thing.
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>>1960468
>Since when did the women get so clingy.

>Oh right, the pregnancy thing.

thinking women are only like this because pregnancy...

the turks used to have sayings about their multiple wives.

Emperors with harems often found them troublesome.

Six my friend, polygamy is nice in theory, but the more wives you have the worse their jealousy becomes.
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>>1959428
>ROBO-RESEARCH
>Better robo-processor cores

Efforts to break through the dimished returns of trying to get more powerful cores that aren't just exponentially larger are frustrating, and slightly futile.

Not man, or machine, available are able to adequately approach the issue. The majority consensus is almost that its impossible, that technology has peaked. To expect a decent and actually useful computer to not be the size of a room and what? Fit on a table, like a mere monitor whose only use is to serve as a glorified typewriter? Preposterous!

The only one to come up with a solution is actually AHS-9 and RND. Both of them deduce, correctly, that an example of a sort of 'microcomputer' device does exist. And its in your pocket.

The Platinum Chip.

The one which stored enough information to fit entire rooms worth of holotapes. They ask to study it and you hand it over.

Yet once again, you are met with a brick wall.

>Zax(RND)
"The technology presented in this tiny chip is so complex it makes my processing core ache. This is actually more potent than the human brain, which is currently the go to for microscopic processor ability.

I don't even think we have close to the necessary scanners to fully comprehend this thing, otherwise we could just replicate it."

>Zax(CEO)
"There is some very VERY advanced anti-corporate espionage attempts to prevent reverse engineering of this chip. I suspect this House fellow was responsible for that. It is beyond my capabilities to breach, and mine are the best."

>Zax(SPI)
"Second best, dearie."

>You
[Is it impossible?]

>Zax(RND)
"No. . .maybe. . .I /think/ we can do it but. . .it's going to take time. A lot of time."

>You
[How much]

>Zax(RND)
"Gross estimate? Anywhere between 1 year and 10. This . . .'computer chip' technology is leagues ahead of anything, Old World or New. Nobody even conceived the idea that computers could be so small."
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>>1960499
>You
[Is there anyway to speed this up at all]

>RND
"Well. . .if House invented it, why don't you go wake him up and ask him instead"
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>>1960499
"what if we had House?"
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>>1960510
>if House invented it, why don't you go wake him up and ask him instead"
DO NOT DO THIS UNTIL WE GET VEGAS BACK!
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>>1960510
Well now we have to go liberate New Vegas, because he is a desicated husk and will die in transit.
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>>1960468
>"SPI was a created computer program. Whatever computer this is, it is a created program right? Not like a real person put into a machine or something like the Think Tank are right?"
"She's a real person or at least was at some point in the past but I fail to see what difference that makes."

>"At least back in the Mojave you introduced us to the next girl you wanted to add to the posse!"
"If or when, I decide she is suitable for and more importantly capable of such activities and closeness, I'll make sure to mention it but currently she is just a very fancy light-show with a brain."

>"Its not that we mind sharing Courier, or none of us would be here right now. But just like, be honest with us okay."
"Fair enough. Well, look at it this way, you found out the truth of the matter and I've not done anything untoward so this resolved nicely."


>>1960495
In this case though the jealousy was kinda well founded given we didn't inform them what we were doing when in past we apparently did.

>>1960499
See. A waste of time with our resources. If we refine our sensor systems, develop better replicators and possibly get a few more ZAX's to throw their heads together we'd be able to get this shit done.

>>1960510
Or we do that...actually yeah we really should get round to waking him up.

>>1960525
Yeah that's the problem but if we can prove to him that we'll be able to get it back then he odd to be willing to listen to us. Worst comes to worst we surgically remove his brain / install the memory reading implants and look for the appropriate memories.
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>>1960533
>Yeah that's the problem but if we can prove to him that we'll be able to get it back then he odd to be willing to listen to us.
No, he's already mad at us for causing the big fuckup at the battle, but he'll be livid to learn that we lost New Vegas to the Legion.
At least wait, wait until we kicked the Legion out before waking him up.
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>>1960540
We don't even need Chip computer tech right now, focus on building ourselves up and making our robot army.
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>>1960533
"At least with a computer program its okay because they are just programmed to like you like ARES, and she didn't even actually like you she was just a sex bot. With a real person its different!"

"Someone doesn't stop being a real person. Your brain is hooked up to a computer but you're still real. Right?"

"See, he IS seeing someone."

Hmm, this isn't going so well.

>>1960540
That and 90% of its former structure has been replaced.

Also the loss of function to Hoover Dam.
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>>1960552
It's a real person, except she's connected to a computer. I apologize for not telling you, and it was sort of a date, but mostly about getting her to experience more of the world.
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>>1960566
Not to mention it being an excellent opportunity to get some nice gene samples to expand her collection and check up on Utah at the same time.
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>>1960552
If you want to meet her you can, but im telling you now its gonna be a hassle.
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>>1960552
"I guess you could say I'm seeing someone, but unlike all of you, I don't sleep with it.. because it is an ancient insane brain hooked up to a Zax that thinks it's a god, how are we going to have sex? Shove its power cable up my ass? Maybe I'm trying to do something big here, maybe you all haven't known for a reason? But you know what? Fuck it you can all come and see, just try not to fuck this all up, it's huge. Remember the real live turkey? Yeah, that huge. I'll take you guys but I'm disappointed in the lack of trust"
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>>1960610
Getting a bit hostile there. They just want to be kept up to date on the women we're having relations with.
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>>1960614
Should we get a bulletin board?
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still crunching the actual turn.

>>1960566
"So you were lying to us then. Fine. Again, if you want to add another girl to your little presidential "harem" at least tell us. It hurts if you treat us like. . .like breeding sows!"

"

>>1960582
"I don't know if we can even trust you. You're having a date with someone behind our backs, and didn't even tell us."

---

It took a while but you managed to placate them with assurances that they will meet the computer. It was hard to convince them she wasn't yet able to be seen, /despite/ the fact that you are dating her. Which you pass off as a tactic to get closer and ultimately get in better control of her.

Which you manage to sell. At least the ones who were most angry.

Lucky for you, you remember that whenever Vanessa get's angry she also takes to drink. And once she takes to drink, she's into make-up sex. Funnily enough the others told her to stand her ground, but that went out the door.

Looks like you've completed your little goal of getting that second batch.
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>>1960614
Seems we are surrounded by a pack of angry well trained women, that was me trying to roll to intimidate.
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>>1960635
Yes, because marital problems are best solved through intimidation and getting belligerent.

We need a therapist. Like one just for us.
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>>1960620
>"It hurts if you treat us like. . .like breeding sows!"
I'll be honest I fail to see where this is coming from. I mean, we've dedicated an entire month to each of them where we essentially go out of our way to fulfil whatever request they can imagine. When there is so much shit to do that is far, far more pressing in just raw material terms. Yet they feel like we mistreat them?

Screw it. We'll just remember to get a bulletin board of important shit for them to know we can update as needed.
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>>1960643
It's coming from the fact we went on a date with a person and didn't tell them. It speaks of our trust in them, or lack thereof, which means they can't really trust us.

That's why "healthy" open relationships involve telling your partner who your going to be with before hand.
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>>1960643
You suspect it was a heat of the moment thing. As your brain would say "nothing but hormones and too much adrenaline"

You imagine they probably didn't take too well to also admitting you were lying to them and also dating someone, even if it was, as you see it at least, just a computer.

They seemed a lot less like themselves and more an angry pack, probably gossiped together as well.

Hopefully it all calms down later. You did your best to try and spend time with them after all.

Gods this was easier when they were all just traveling companions and not psudo-wives.
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>>1960648
I know and I respect that but it's just the way they are phrasing it and everything. Calling us a liar when, at least in the case of what I said, I made it absolutely clear that she was once, and arguably still is, a "human" mind.
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>>1960656
Though that might have been your intent, to start with you made it seem a lot more like you treated it as a "pre-war ZAX" rather than as a person, specifically a female you went on a 'date' with

The impression was heavily that you saw it more as an 'it' until you slowly started calling it 'her' and mentioned a woman's brain at the helm. 'Dealing' is also a lot different from 'dating' as that practically gives away sentience and attraction.
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>>1959428
>>BIO RESEARCH
>cures for post-war diseases
You practically have all of them to be honest, with your incredible and amazing medical knowledge and technology coupled with Diana's research.

The ones you don't have are mostly the far flung and unconfirmed diseases. . .or perhaps, diseases you have not encountered yet.

Or almost impossible to cure diseases like Ghoulism. Efforts were attempted to try and graft new skin on a Ghoul, but the skin just rotted and became like the rest of the Ghoul.

>Rolling for reasons
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>>1960687
I just realized, we never rolled for the action
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>>1960691
Now would be a good time. Most of the other actions are now less roll based due to stocked up assets and abilities.
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Rolled 38 (1d100)

>>1960692
here we go, set sell for fail.
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>>1960671
Yeah I can see how that'd do it...

>>1960687
Well that is good to know.
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Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>1960692
Third roll to move things along
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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>1960692
time for a nat 1
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1960784
>time for a nat 1
Ill give it my best.
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Rolled 65 (1d100)

>>1960692
Watch This Nat 100 roll
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Rolled 31 (1d100)

>>1960844
Pft, watch this Nat 100 roll
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Rolled 79 (1d100)

>>1960692
losers
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>>1960687
The idea is proposed, rather than cure every individual disease (and have no response to new diseases of which there currently is no cure) why not invent some kind of "universal cure"

Several approaches are being made toward this:

RND considers it might be possible to theoretically design a chemical based "universal cure". One that, if not cure ghoulism, also prevent it. Diana would like to support such a hypothesis, but the implication of the research is that it would take time and "a lot of animals" which she isn't too fond of but will provide. This could take at least five years..

However, it would be sped up if we acquired a number of normal human test subjects, subjected them to diseases and cures, and figured out. Then it might only at most 3 years. Maybe.

RND also thinks there may be a Vault out there working on a cure-all too with research already available.

AHS-9 and the forecaster propose a different solution. According to him there are several "legendary artifacts" out there:
-The Elixir of Life may be held by the BoS according to rumors he's ordained from the free'd MLA slaves
-There is a group out there searching for the "vessel of life giving water". They both don't know where they are, but can suggest a potential path to find them.

AHS-9 has a particular interest in the cure. Every day he faces the risk of Ghoulism through regular exposure to Zeta Radiation, though he takes his Rad-X and Radaway.

Ghoulism has long been thought of as an incurable, preventable disease. Microbes can be killed and bodily organs rejuvinzed, but degregation to the DNA structure of the individual is particularly difficult. Diana even ponders if either the Cure or the Elixir of Life would work.

Unity proposes a third option: more FEV reseaerch. The FEV is the ultimate of diseases, rendering every other disease moot to both super mutants and herself. Her strain causes mass deformation, but if it could be cured. . .

These are the options currently proposed for some of the diseases you are currently not able to cure.
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>>1960986
>but degregation to the DNA structure of the individual is particularly difficult.
If the DNA structure is damaged, why not repair it? Is that not a potential path?
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>>1960988
In the case of Ghouls, it's like an intense version of cancer. You might cure some of the DNA cells in one place, but the rest of the body will corrupt it.

And its not currently feasible to rewrite every single piece of DNA inside a person at the same time.

FEV does have the strength to override the bodies own DNA and rewrite it, as a vessel of change.
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>>1960986
I got a fever. And the only prescription is more FEV research.

This is literally the end-all be-all solution. Might as well get on with it.

>>1960988
With DNA degredation you are talking about fixing brakes and missing info you have no way of knowing. The only solution would be to try and piece together the full sequence of every patient individually and go from there. And even if we were to do that you end up with the FEV anyway. Except you have to make specific alterations for every individual patient (it gets really complex really fast).
This is also the problem with the FEV itself (remember all the mutants look the same?) so if we do broadband alterations it has to be somehting small and not that ifferent from the normal host (morphologically speaking) or you end up with everybody looking the same or altering the virus for every single individual. Not to mention the virus not being big enough to do it all at once so you have to go through multiple treatments (you can see where this is going).

So, to summarize, go with FEV and figure out the PanImmunityVirus aspect and enjoy disease-free life until your immune system has no more things to react to and you develope autoimmune diseases and allergies. #FUN
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>>1960986
I vote for more FEV research
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>>1960986
The NCRs Doctor hologram might have a unique insight on the matter.

FEV was originally meant to be a retro-virus feedback loop to accelerate evolution. And it’s a good idea, in theory. Unfortunately the actual effects of the virus are somewhat negative.

But if it could be limited, and controlled to produce specific effects based on conformational changes to small effector molecules it could be enourmously useful.

Unfortunately in Fallout this type of research requires DNA undamaged by radiation or airborne FEV exposure. Which means vault dwellers.

We have a potential work around in that Diana has cloning tanks capable of producing pure strains of any animal or plant.

An option not yet discussed is the Children of the Atom, some of whom display complete immunity to radiation. I personally suspect this to be a latent psionic effect. Still it’s worth looking into.

Another idea for ghoulism is taking our best guess of the subjects dna after cutting away the ghoulifying sections and replacing them with pure stock dna. You then clone that individual and perform a brain transplant. It’s clunky, but it might work.

In summary I support FEV research, but with the caveat that it’s a bleak rabbit hole to fall into. It has after all lead to the ruin of many a faction, and is none to popular.
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>>1961019
>But if it could be limited, and controlled to produce specific effects based on conformational changes to small effector molecules
Dude, did you diagonally read a wiki and put words down that seemed cool to you? :)

This is so random it hurts. The conformational changes to a molecule can have an effect but that is not the only way. Changing the length or data of an mRNA (DNA) can have just as much if not more of an effect (the active binding site no longer functioning despite the same conformation). Likewise, the introduction of new peptides is just as much an option.

Nice try for bonus points though.
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>>1959428
>>CIV
>Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>Klein
"WHAT! THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS! WE COULD NEVER AGREE TO SUCH A THING"

>Borous
"Lobotomite forms are OBSOLETE! They need to SLEEP, and EAT, and are unable to see their own brains!"

>Dr. Dala
"Although the idea intrigues me, I'm not sure how I'd react. My brain, being in a body full of. . .organs again. Living breathing organs, in such close proximity. . ."

>Dr 0
"Gross. Put me in a robot body instead, like the one I have right now!"

>Dr. 8
[Dr. 8 Noises] (that means "why?")

>what do?
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>>1960986
The FEV option matters the most.
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>>1961060
Think about it. A brain can only do a set amount of research at a time. If you add a body, you effectively double the SCIENCE™ you can do (assuming we are setting them up like the Courier himself is)!

DOUBLE THE SCIENCE!!
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>>1961035
... with all due respect I am very much aware of all of that.

I just didnt want to write a giant essay concerning all the many and varied ways to alter DNA and RNA. Especially since we are talking about a fictional super virus where all or none of those methods might apply.

Binding custom protiens to specific promoter regions of FEV to block their expression just seemed like the easiest and most attainable way of isolating its specific functions without delving too deeply into it.

Its also useful to bear in mind that FEV (according to the wiki) acts nothing like a traditional virus.
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>>1961060
Spin it in such a way that they will be able to interact with the world more easily. Iirc we never fixed their interface issues after alien crash. That way they will be able to more closely conduct their experiments and conduct science
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>>1961070
We probably arent though becayse their brainstem is gone, and that is needed for the seperated brain&body.

>>1961060
As scientists, are you just going to reject a unique opportunity for a whole new perspective? I thought science was about discovering the unknown? Are you just going to ignore the fact you don't know what its like to be human?
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>>1961082
Making knockouts is an okay way to find out what every gene (or combination of them) does but considering the fact that the FEV recombines so many regions (multiple times over the lifespan, appearantly) it is a futile effort. How the hell we are supposed to approach this besides starting fresh I dont know but trying to map it seems a waste of time when it constantly shifts.

Also, glad to see another appreciator of the finer points of biology.
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>>1961060
ah sweet kek my sides.

"oh, i didnt realize you were all so scared of an experiment. nevermind. I suppose we will leave the shoals of neurologocal bi locality unexplored. A shame, if only we had the courage to face these questions head on..."
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>>1961104
The brainstem is also needed for important things like breathing and pumping blood, so I dont see the body working without it. Ergo, two entities for the price of one.
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>>1961110
May not be brainstem, but for the seperate body thing, there needs to be a connection with a bit of brain left after brain removal. That bit is gone, and we cant make a connection with a different persons bit of brain.

Would have to be full human.
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>>1961105
yeah, its clunky and slow.

but it might be the nest we can do atm. unless we somehow find a treasure trove of existing research. which is indeed out there. Mariposa, The enclave, the institute, and others have all researched it before us.

yeah, Biochem is my field. Masters degree never ;_; been stuck with a shitty aliquoting position that makes me want to die. permanent temp position. meanwhile my cousin learns welding and pulls down 3x my pay as a boilermaker. fuck this gay earth.
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>>1961070
>Borous
"Hmmmm. To keep the Brain Stem in the body, while the rest of the brain remains independant?"

>Dr 0
"That would mean our consciousness would primarily be in the meatbags, while the rest of our brain would act on a more processor basis."

>Klein
"IT'S STILL DISGUSTING. IMAGINE, FUMBLING AROUND OUR LAB EQUIPMENT WITH THOSE PENIS EXTREMETIES. GIVE ME A PAIR OF MECHANICAL CLASPERS ANYDAY!"

>Dr. Dala
"Dr. Klein, it does have some obvious benefit. You'd be able to reach around and adjust the dials on your back for instance. A fault of our current arm designs."

>Klein
"THAT IS NO FAULT! OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A PURPOSE TO OUR ARMS HAVING A MAXIMUM RANGE OF MOTION. OTHERWISE WHY WOULD THEY BE ANY DIFFERENT?"

>con't
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>>1961211
"Who's to say you can't have Mechanical claspers while in an organic body Dr. Klein?"
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>>1961104
>>1961109
Hmmm
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>>1961211
Klein, is it really the scientific way to dig your heels in when considering other possibilities, beliecing the way thigs are are perfect by the fact that that is gow they are? Im sorry but that attitude is nore in line with what I expect from a beurocrat.
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>>1961254
Dude, that's not how you convince scientist.
Ya gotta go
"Guys! Guys, i got a great idea listen."
"What if... we put robot parts... on an organic body?"
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>>1961141
Biomed masters here. Can confirm shit pay but at least I am working on cancer targeting so its intresting.
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>>1961262
Well that doesn't attack the root of the problem, which is Klein's "this way is right because its how its done" circular reasoning.

If you want to convince a scientist, call him a beurocrat. An administrative stooge who exists only to chain down proper, inquisitive scientists.
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>>1961232
Dr. Dala, Dr. 8, and Dr. Borous are convinced.

Dr. 0 states he wishes to remain in his robotic form, to be closer to the very machines he holds dear.

Dr. Klein refuses, stating that he can't well be "Chief Scientist" if he's not a robot.

3 out of 5 is not bad. Your Brain feels Dr. 0 is the least disturbed of them all.

But your Courier pride just won't allow you to not get all 5!

>Settle for 3 out of 5. Maybe the other two will come to terms
>Figure out a way to convince Dr. Klein or Dr. 0.
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>>1961351
Well, once we put Klein into organic body we can upgrade it with cyber augments as needed. Maybe show reavers as an example?
Best of 2 worlds
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>>1961351
>settle

perhaps the other two will be convinced after they get left behind in terms of productivity
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>>1961351
>Figure out a way to convince Dr. Klein or Dr. 0.

Point out to Dr. Klein that by having his brain separate and form / display it's own consciousness, he'd have someone on his level of thought who understands his theories and he can debate with. Basically appeal to his pride and imply that it is the only way he'll find an equal in this world and that it would help him do more science since he'd be able to bounce ideas off his brain.

Explain to Dr. 0 that if he becomes human then he'll be able to engage in new experiences that would help him think up new robot designs and innovations...also that being human and having his brain separate would give him another person that sees the world in the same way and can help him develop new ideas / robots.


Lastly, point out that we aren't going to force them to remain in these forms. We just want them to try it for a month and see how they feel about it. If they don't enjoy it, we can put them back in their bodies or perhaps even some new, better body.
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>>1961351
>Settle for 3 out of 5. Maybe the other two will come to terms
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>>1961362
>>1961372
>DR KLEIN
"DO I STILL GET TO BE HEAD OF RESEARCH? NOT THAT YOU HAVE ANY SAY IN THE MATTER, BUT HYPOTHEORETICALLY SPEAKING!"

>Dr 0
"I'm quit content in my current form. I actually feel becoming a lobotomite would be more of a distraction, even if I get the extra help. . .but I suppose I could give it a test. A small one. Temporary."
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>>1961351
>Figure out a way to convince Dr. Klein or Dr. 0.
Convince klein by appealing to his sciebtific pride- a true scientist would try to experience the ubkown like this, and refusing for with an aministration excuse is anti-science.

0 is fine i guess. He was never that crazy, just a bit neurotic.
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>>1961386
>"DO I STILL GET TO BE HEAD OF RESEARCH? NOT THAT YOU HAVE ANY SAY IN THE MATTER, BUT HYPOTHEORETICALLY SPEAKING!"
"You would still be head of research, yes."

>"I'm quit content in my current form. I actually feel becoming a lobotomite would be more of a distraction, even if I get the extra help. . .but I suppose I could give it a test. A small one. Temporary."
"That is all I ask."
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>>1961386
Yes. Klein will still be head researcher.
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>>1961386
Of course, Klein.
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Before we go ahead with this, can we experiment on raiders and psychos from Montana first?

Speaking of which, what's our rep among raiders there? I know we go there for samples whenever we need to do some unethical research.
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>>1961060
I'm actually a bit confused. Are we putting the brains into the bodies or are we connecting them with tesla coils.
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>>1961411
>Before we go ahead with this, can we experiment on raiders and psychos from Montana first?
Certainly, I assume you are talking about developing a universal cure? Fact is that if we can make a universal cure, and have it be replicator-producible, then we can have our mobile replicators cure entire towns of diseases.

>Speaking of which, what's our rep among raiders there? I know we go there for samples whenever we need to do some unethical research.
They don't know it's us yet but they know someone is wiping out groups and ain't leaving any corpses from their side. Probably think it's the BOS but still.

>>1961417
Tesla coils. The majority of their brain will still be separate (and might develop it's own inteligence) but their consciousness will be centred over their human bodies.
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>>1961425
Well we pretty much have a cure for everything as is, so we already have the capabilities for goodwill tours. If needed, we can do some research for anything new that pops up, but refular stuff is handled already.
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>>1961425
No, I mean experimenting with raiders if debraining them, then cloning a body and connecting with tesla coils works. Or have we done so already?
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>>1961462
I think we have a pretty good idea how the tesla coils work.
If we werent sure if this was possible, the qm would say something.
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>>1961440
I know but it's far easier to just mass produce one drug / chemical to cure everything than it is to identify, produce and distribute the correct drug for every disease.

>>1961462
Nah that ain't needed as far as I'm aware.
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>>1961472
If we were making it traditionally, yes. But if were replicating it, a vial full of cure A costs similiar materialz as a vial of cure B, so it would be pretty cheap regardless.
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>>1961476
Nah my point is that with traditional drugs, we need to know what is wrong with the person and that'd require either our medical personnel or a local knowledge of the disease's true nature for us to identify it from. Whereas with a cure-all, we just need to make that one drug and everything else is fine.

Also another way we could improve our medicine: we need to sequence the genomes of our citizens and figure out what the data relates to. As this would allow us to personalise treatment: diet, drugs and more or less anything else around their actual physical needs.

It would also help us identify genetic diseases, beneficial mutations and such to either extract or treat by retro virus.
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Dr. Klein and Dr. 0 agree.

That makes five of the original think tank members.

There is a sixth one. . .and he has been most helpful, but you want to get it right with these five first.

Now begins an effort to actually clone their bodies. Previously, this would have taken significant research. But not with Diana's nursery.

Wisely you realize the first part is kicking your companions out of their homes in the Higg's village. With what's left of the construction crews not at work on the major giant project, you just build them superior housing somewhere else.

You clone their five bodies, using their genetic material from their brain and the genetic data given to Diana, she makes adult sized clones of them back at the nursery. With the one modification: empty skulls. As the Think Tank would say, the "skinvelopes" are then cryogenically brought back to BigMT via your UFO.

Next comes the surgery.
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>>1961721
>inb4 they fuck each other to death.
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>>1961733
>Brain
"If things go wrong, we turn them into lobotomites, and that is the 4th most likely possibility"

>You
[What's the first?]

>Brain
"They eat each other."
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>>1961739
That's not disturbing at all. I'm excited about having them integrate better with our scientists, im hoping this will lead to that.
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>>1961739
Exactly how much do we pay therapists?
Cause we need to pay them more.
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>>1961816
Well seeing as our psychs and docs are the same people, probably pretty good.
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>>1961721
There is only one man more qualified than all the Auto-Docs and Medical Robots of BigMT combined.

And that is the goddamn Courier.

Thanks to your abdunance of medical staff, advanced and partly alien equipment, and the input of Diana, you pull off the surgery without a hitch. Making sure to implant both the Teleportation Wireless Transmitter as well as the Tesla Coil emergency backup system, you separate the small parts of brain and spine from the rest of the Grey Matter, placing them back into the robots while attaching the smaller bits to the body and suturing.

And now you wait, allowing their bodies to fully heal before awakening them.

---

The reactions were interesting to say the least. Like babies who had just been born, they learned how to breath again, taking in gasps fulls of air with open mouths, as instinct slowly kicked in. Moaning, groaning, trying to find their voices and eyes frantically searched the room.

You help them up, legs wobbly like newborn Brahmin, trying to find their bearing.

They slowly relearn everything, and when the shock wears over, it's Dr. 8 who figures out how to speak again.

>Dr. 8
"Heh. . .looow? Hellloooo? Hello. *ahem* I . . .feel . . .I don't know"

>Dr. 0
"M-mehhh. .My throat. . .it feels odd. I need something."

>You
[Water. You're thirsty. Drink]

You give them small sips of water. Not a lot, in case they choke on it (a few of them do, and you teach them how to cough again).

---

It takes a day, but eventually the forgotten memories of times long past return. Basic muscle memories and activities of daily living. The Think Tank's shock wears off, and soon they become intrigued at the feeling of being in the human body again. Particularly Dr. Dala, who you watch, almost sensually, savoring every sip of water, every bite of food, every breath, touching things and her own body.

>Dr. 8
"I never knew how much we were missing, until we were whole again"

>Dr. 0
"This is a very surprising experience, but I can't say its unpleasant."

>Dr. Borous
"I can feel it. My mind is expanding. I remember. . .we were scientists! Yes, even before the Think Tank. Before the. . .the. . ."

>Dr. Klein
"The war. The war that destroyed the world. I remember now"

You stand by and help the Think Tank adjust.

>Dr Dala
"You don't look like Dr. Mobius. He had a beard, and he was shorter than you. And he didn't have so much muscles. . ." without hesitation Dr. Dala begins rubbing on your chest, feeling your almost steel like abdominal muscles.

>Dr. 0
"Something seems . . .off Dr. Dala"

>Dr Dala
"Why" she says "I've studied skinvelope interaction. This is exactly what they do, using tactile touch to. . .get a physical dimension of other skinvelopes"

>Dr. Klein
"I seem to remember a distinct difference between the interactions of skinvelopes and, what's the word, oh yes 'people' Dr. Dala."

--

>What do?
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>>1961956
"Well it's good to see my theory that restoring your physical forms would fix the mental recursion loop.

Now, I feel you are all owed an explanation as to what has and is happening so ask your questions and I will attempt to answer them as well as I can. Starting with Dr Dala, you are correct in your assessment: I am not Dr. Mobius."


Good?
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>>1961994
Ill support that.
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>>1961994
How about we consult with brain first in case we start saying things that could be harmful for us.
Not saying I don't like your suggestion, just as a precaution
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>>1962039
Fair enough.
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>>1962039
>Brain
"Tough question. There are so many unforseeable things here that could feasibly go wrong. My suggestion is whatever you do, keep the Think Tank on your side, as always."
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>>1961994
Supporting. Honesty is the best policy here.
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>>1962085
Thanks.

Eh, let's go with >>1961994
explain them why we did what we did
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OP are you there?
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>>1961994
You explain to the think tank in little bits. About what you found out, that they were prewar scientists from the United States of America, which helps to unlock their memories. Each of them survived the war in the robot bodies they had become so familiar with, to the point that they had lost their "humanity".

Yes, the war. The Great War. The War between the Commonwealth and China where the nuclear missiles destroyed the whole world.

The pieces seem to fall in place, and despite their lapses in memory, their skill as as some of the most brilliant scientists shines as they slowly make deductions. Correct deductions for the most part, fitting in the missing pieces.

>Dr. 8
"I suspect that you are not the real Dr. Mobius"

>You
[Correct. I'm sorry. The real Dr. Mobius felt that, with your complete dislocation from humanity, you might have presented a huge threat to the world with the power you wielded. Keeping BigMT isolated prevented what he saw as a major catastrophe.]

>Dr. Klein
"How dare he! Science should never be bounded even by such paltry things as 'ethics'!"

>Dr. 0
"Um, maybe I'm alone here guys but what if Mobius was right. I mean. . .Klein, and I'm not sure if those are our real names, now that I think about it, we sort of did go a bit crazy."

>Dr. Klein
"Bah! The only one who went mad was him of course! Him and his schemes to take over the Dome"

>Dr. Dala
"But if that was all a ruse, then that would perfectly support the sudden shift we've seen in his methods. Relying on this. . ."

>You
[Courier. President Courier. You no longer have to touch me if you wish]

Dala doesn't. "'President' Courier. I like the sound of that."

>Dr. 0
"Wait, so are you actually the President of the United States?"

>You
[Actually . . .it's a long story . . .]
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>>1962456
Im hype
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gonna be away for a bit
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>>1962699
What a tease.
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>>1962456
Technically Executor Courier

We do have the 'official' US President kicking around though - at least if you follow the Enclave's order of succession
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>>1962699
When the QM is gone for over 4 hours
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For now, you allow the Think Tank some time to recover, live in their old homes, regain some of their memories.

Dr. Dala says she doesn't remember her home smelling so, distinct. . .you send in the cleaner bots a second time.

Slowly they'll hopefully regain all their memories or at least most.

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Meanwhile
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

You start by investigating several of the available defenses and military units already present in the Divide. Starting with the Robot Drone Tanks.

According to technical details, though its armor, armament, and size are less than those of the standard American Tank, it is still a tank (or a tankette) in its own right. It uses some very advanced constructive materials, like the kind the rest of the Divide base is made of. Chemical analysis indicates a definitive connection to alien metal.

That seems to imply the Old World governments had a knowledge of alien technology.

The Drones themselves are hovercraft particularly resistant to corossion from acid, rust, radiation, and even have a slight emp advantage (though not invulnerable) over your typical robot. Its cannon is a force to be reckoned with, but it is only armed with a cannon. Its tactical mode was to use strength of numbers, expendability, and speed and mobility to match the Chinese Tanks far superior armor strength and numbers. A cannon fodder for tanks if you will, but not so easily ignored.

They are fully automated with basic combat programming.

>con't
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>>1963918
The Enforcer MK2's are a bit more interesting.

Larger than the "Robot Tanks" they are also slightly more well armored, and have a much more powerful cold fusion reactor in each one. This powers the extremely advanced plasma technology housed within the unit.

Its by far the biggest plasma weapon you've ever seen. An entire plasma cannon, not a rifle, able to fire a big burst the size of a man at tremendous speeds. Or, a shorter range continous plamsa-thrower 10 times more effective than mere flame, though far more localized than fire and with less spread.

But the most notable test came from the group exercise. When five or seven plasma shots strike the exact same target, at the exact same time, under the right coditions . . .

"RUN! GET OUT OF THE WAY MOVE!"

The resulting phenomenon is known as a "Plasma Storm". This temporarily sustained plasmic reaction manifests in a huge, devastating sphere of Plasma which rolls on the ground in a chaotic and unpredictable manner. Lasting for a few terrifying seconds, the intense heat can burn man and material even without actually touching the sphere of death, until it vanishes in an almost blinding light.

That explains the bizarre scorch marks and craters, and why there was practically nothing left during the initial divide base probes.

>con't
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>>1963965
The Lockdown MLRS is a "mobile defense platform". A lightly armored, but highly effective unit able to transport extremely powerful ordnance. It has two modes, one which fires a succession of many EMP Rockets, or two extremely powerful HE Rockets from very long range with incredible accuracy. The main drawbacks are its relative vulnerability to heavy enemy arms fire, and that the missiles do not track targets so are more effective on static positions.
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still here still writing
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>>1963965
>>1964063
Very nice.

These vehicles are manned, correct?
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>>1963918
>According to technical details, though its armor, armament, and size are less than those of the standard American Tank, it is still a tank (or a tankette) in its own right. It uses some very advanced constructive materials, like the kind the rest of the Divide base is made of. Chemical analysis indicates a definitive connection to alien metal.
How does it compare to the NCR's tanks? How easily could we produce them and are there any regards in which we are superior to it? E,g the fact we have actual alien metal and shit or our research into better computers?

>That seems to imply the Old World governments had a knowledge of alien technology.
We need to find that one signal's source...get ourselves an alien tech expert from pre-war from cryo and whatever shit is left in her facility.

>Its cannon is a force to be reckoned with, but it is only armed with a cannon.
What kind of shells can it fire? What calibre? How does this compare to the NCR's tanks? Does it replicate it's own ammo or does it have a limited number of shells?

>>1963965
>That explains the bizarre scorch marks and craters, and why there was practically nothing left during the initial divide base probes.
Well this seems like a potential superweapon in the making...maybe an entire air-cruiser built around supercharging the effect into some sort of beam or cannon? Maybe a wave...

>>1964063
Does it have any AA abilities?

>>1964211
The base used them all against us so I suspect they are entirely automated or at least can be used remotely.
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Friendly reminder we need to get to Hawaii before the NCR does to prevent them from accessing that military base thats located there.

They have already retrofitted / repaired a battleship to make the journey.
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>>1964221
Its a plasma cannon. It shoots plasma. From the fusion core.
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>>1964249
Agreed but we can't go by air as we saw with the satellite we tried to send that way.

Easiest method that I can think of would be to get a dozen replicator behemoths through the Legion using our relations / potential alliance with the MLA as a cover. If we make these dozen waterproof, they could walk straight into the ocean and get to work building a concealed sub-marine / underwater dock and base from which we could construct an entirely automated submarine(s?) equipped with an infantry sized teleporter and replication ability to make the journey.

Then it's just a matter of teleportation across as the Courier and dealing with the situation. Depending on if there even is one, as it is entirely possible that Hawaii has been nuked to shit, that our sub gets intercepted or that the base is entirely deactivated / derelict in which case we just assume control.

This would also be an excellent time to mention that we'd probably want to do this either way since the potential utility to "terror from the deep" the shit out of the NCR's coastline can't be denied in terms of material, morale, logistical and other forms of damage. Such as offering an easy way to send forces to attack the Shi and secure their emperor / ZAX.

>>1964255
I fail to see what you are on about.
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>>1964286
I mean, I'm still partial to the idea of us grabbing our own battleship and putting in our airship engine into it and create a flying battleship yamamoto style, but that's not really practical.

Subs seem cool.
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>>1964340
I want to do that too and would point something out: There are numerous warships that were sunk in real life and never reclaimed or salvaged. Such as, for example, the Japanese battleship Yamato which, with modernisation by us could certainly outperform the NCR's especially when backed by all the other ships we could get.

Subs are also useful because they are intended to not be detected which suits us since we don't want to reveal us having naval assets before we are firing on their cities or turning their battleship into scrap.
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>>1964286
>Easiest method that I can think of would be to get a dozen replicator behemoths through the Legion using our relations / potential alliance with the MLA as a cover. If we make these dozen waterproof, they could walk straight into the ocean and get to work building a concealed sub-marine / underwater dock and base from which we could construct an entirely automated submarine(s?) equipped with an infantry sized teleporter and replication ability to make the journey.
>Easiest

Dude, how about we just take our flyer, strap a portal to it and thread the proverbial needle and get there ourselves, at which point we fire up the portal and bring in the bots. You are not using the advantage we have.

As to subs and the like, why even bother? Make a few bots to attack underwater, sure, but why a sub when we are capable of making flying weapons platforms with relative ease. As to modernizing ships, the exact same point. Why make a ship if we can make a flying transport craft. And why retrofit a naval craft when we can make a new and better one ourselves?
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>>1964286
>What kind of shells can it fire? What calibre? How does this compare to the NCR's tanks? Does it replicate it's own ammo or does it have a limited number of shells?

It fires plasma, not shells
its the size of a man, but its a glob of plasma, no calibre
man sized plasma is better than WW2 tank shell
It shoots plasma- as long as there is energy in the reactor it keeps shooting.
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>>1964286
The legion territory is to the West. How will sending behemoths through there get them under water on the west coast?
Not even getting into the fact that replicators might not work underwater, or the weapons don't function.
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>>1964483
*to the East
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>>1964432
>Dude, how about we just take our flyer, strap a portal to it and thread the proverbial needle and get there ourselves, at which point we fire up the portal and bring in the bots. You are not using the advantage we have.
Sure and while we're at it why don't we go and destroy the NCR battleship too? Cause that'd be easier and safer than defeating whatever AA system detected and eliminated our satellite during it's pass over head.

Fact is we could attempt what you are suggesting but it is too risky given we'd potentially lose the Courier and the Scoutship.

>As to subs and the like, why even bother? Make a few bots to attack underwater, sure, but why a sub when we are capable of making flying weapons platforms with relative ease.
Subs allow for far heavier weapons and utility than any bot could. Also we can't produce flying weapon platforms "with ease" seeing as they require a large power source which is generally either expensive or not something we are happy to let our enemies know we have.

>As to modernising ships, the exact same point. Why make a ship if we can make a flying transport craft. And why retrofit a naval craft when we can make a new and better one ourselves?
Ships are cheaper to power, don't use tech we want to keep a secret and in regards to retrofitting: it doesn't matter if we can make better if our goal is purely to get to the Hawaiian islands and to combat the WW 2 level navy of the NCR by dragging hulks from the depths to throw at them. We can make better shit later if we genuinely need it but all we need is some slug throwers to bombard the coast, destroy ships and transport stuff.

>>1964477
I am talking about the drone tank, not the plasma tank. Your reading comprehension is entirely useless.

>>1964483
>The legion territory is to the West. How will sending behemoths through there get them under water on the west coast?
If you had so much as referred to the map OP provided recently you would be aware the Legion has a border with the western sea to our south.

>Not even getting into the fact that replicators might not work underwater, or the weapons don't function.
The replicators will function underwater. Or else they wouldn't function in air.

As to the weapons, that matters why? They would be being escorted by their squads of robots which could almost certainly hold their own against anything they'd likely face.
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>>1964497
You realize that ends up on the wrong side of the Baja peninsula right? So getting them from the legion territory to the place where the battleship is would take forever, assuming they don't run out of power or something.

And how would something not work in water, mean it doesn't work in air?
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>>1964510
>You realise that ends up on the wrong side of the Baja peninsula right?
Yeah and it's an additional 1,220 (roughly) km on a 4,346 km journey. It's a significant increase on any sorts of potential travel time but to be frank an acceptable compromise compared to the only alternatives which are leaving Hawaii until we've got a connection to the sea or tunnelling under the NCR.

>So getting them from the legion territory to the place where the battleship is would take forever, assuming they don't run out of power or something.
Two things:

1) Essentially every model of our robots can be left on for 200+ years if it has the fission battery.

2) The battleship ain't the goal right now, Hawaii is. The battleship was just an example of something else we could hit with the facility once we have it set up.

>And how would something not work in water, mean it doesn't work in air?
Well, how about you explain why water is different from air for whatever reason? What makes YOU think that it would prevent the replicator working?
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>>1964527
>Well, how about you explain why water is different from air for whatever reason? What makes YOU think that it would prevent the replicator working?
Water can mess with the calibration of the atom laying part because of it's different heat capacity or viscosity or the fact it's a liquid can interfere with any number of things
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>>1964539
> Water messes with the calibration of the part that places the atoms down, because it was designed to work in air?
Why would water mess with it's calibration? What logic is there to assume it would beyond your belief it would?

>Or water messes with a hot element or something with it's different specific heat.
If that was the case then it wouldn't work in air or literally any material either.

>There are a lot of ways that high tech items can work in air and not in water.
There are also loads that do.
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>>1964527
Ok dude, shit arguments and plain browbeating.

What you want to do is waste resources on some pet project, the goals of which we can accomplish with the flyer and a portal in a month. The resources and time you want to throw at this are far better spent on development back home. As to your point on "subs are better than robots", why is that, exactly? We can load up a few small bots with the exact same weapons and they are not only far cheaper but far more disposable than a hulk 50 times the size. Might be a good thing for the NCR but isnt for us. And you have to realize that us making a flying carrier for the same amount of resources is a far better use. Especially since the sub is confined to the sea, whereas a flying unit has no such restriction.

And you want to go around the south to do it? Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.
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>>1964544
Take a 3D printer, and turn it on in a pool, and come back to me on how very precise things operate under water just the same as in air.
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>>1964543
Then by that logic the replicators shouldn't have worked in the Cloud.

>>1964546
>Ok dude, shit arguments and plain browbeating.
I fail to see how I threatened you and I fail to see how my arguments are "shit".

>What you want to do is waste resources on some pet project, the goals of which we can accomplish with the flyer and a portal in a month.
At great risk for no apparent reason...

>The resources and time you want to throw at this are far better spent on development back home.
Mate where did I imply that this would stop development at home? How would it stop development at home when all it would take is a turn or two of passive robot production?

>As to your point on "subs are better than robots", why is that, exactly?
Subs are larger and generally more aqua-dynamically shaped.

>We can load up a few small bots with the exact same weapons and they are not only far cheaper but far more disposable than a hulk 50 times the size.
Ignoring the problems with powering those weapons, the fact that you are spending far more on engine systems / propulsion, the need for more computing power, the repeated sets of communications systems and all that stuff that makes it much more expensive? Yeah, I suppose that would make them more disposable.

>Might be a good thing for the NCR but isn't for us. And you have to realise that us making a flying carrier for the same amount of resources is a far better use.
Except it'd be far from the same amount of resources given the fact you'd need to power whatever is lifting your flying carrier.

Weight = mass x gravity is an immutable rule of the universe and you can't really get around that.

>Especially since the sub is confined to the sea, whereas a flying unit has no such restriction.
Except in the cases like it going to Hawaii, where we know something destroyed the thing we had flying through the air, or near the NCR / MLA-Legion / BOS, since we don't want them to know about us being able to do that yet or in places like Texas which has nuclear tornadoes that would rip it apart.

>And you want to go around the south to do it? Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.
And you want to fly a unknown gauntlet of the best pre-war AA weapons? "Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.". At least the only problem with mine is that it could take a fair bit of time, compared to you who wants to fly a literal suicide mission.

>>1964563
You are the one who claimed that a replicator wouldn't work underwater, the burden of proof lies with you. Also, a 3 D printer is so far from a replicator that I actually want to laugh at you for the mere concept.

However, I point you to this 3d printing method:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TgmvV2ElQ

Seeing as it works off of light, assuming the density of the resin is greater than water, it wouldn't be effected.
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>>1963918
>The Drones themselves are hovercraft particularly resistant to corossion from acid, rust, radiation, and even have a slight emp advantage (though not invulnerable) over your typical robot. Its cannon is a force to be reckoned with, but it is only armed with a cannon. Its tactical mode was to use strength of numbers, expendability, and speed and mobility to match the Chinese Tanks far superior armor strength and numbers. A cannon fodder for tanks if you will, but not so easily ignored.
Damn, that was my idea for a light tank.
At least we don't have to research it now.
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>>1964774
Yeah I know right? I mean I'd like to try and improve it where and if we can but still this sounds like a pretty solid vehicle.


I mostly want to know how it compares to the NCR's current tanks.
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>>1964775
>Yeah I know right? I mean I'd like to try and improve it where and if we can but still this sounds like a pretty solid vehicle.
No i mean it's EXACTLY the light tank design i was gonna recommend we design in the future, it's Speed and maneuverability superiority and it's strength of numbers.
I'm spooked, QM took my idea.
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>>1964775
But yea, this is a pretty good tank design to have, we should build it alongside some of these.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_bike_(Tiberium_Wars)
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Raider_buggy_(Tiberium_Wars)
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>>1964776
Well it's a fairly simple concept. Like making a robotic T-34.

>>1964777
Eh, attack bikes can probably be replaced with air drones and raider buggies probably would be pretty good.

>>1964777
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>>1964778
>Eh, attack bikes can probably be replaced with air drones and raider buggies probably would be pretty good.
But we already have the BoS hoverbike we can research, just slap some MLA missile launchers and we got an excellent cannon fodder anti-air vehicle to accompany our hovertanks.
Why not have it?
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>>1964779
Because it seems like it might be risky to deploy our troops using it but I see what you mean, for light / scouting units it would be pretty nice.
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>>1964782
>Because it seems like it might be risky to deploy our troops using it
Why not just make it a robot controlled vehicle like the hover tanks?
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>>1964784
because at the point it's like one of our air force drones but it can't fly.
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>>1964788
I don't see how they are the same.
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>>1964793
They both hover, are entirely robotic / automated and are designed to perform a combat role with similar weapons.
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>>1964795
>with similar weapons.
This is the part i disagree with, the Attack bikes have anti-air missile launchers, which are very different from the Eyebot's lasers.
I do see how everything else is the same, so if you can put a missile launcher on an Eyebot I'll scrap the attack bike design.
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>>1964799
On an eyebot? No. On our air force drones that are roughly the size of a securitron? Certainly.
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>>1964799
Raider buggies have to be kept though, if we can make them truck sized and have modular weapon mounts they can not only be multi-purpose escorts and cannon fodder, but also have enough room to fit a Dr. Mobois teleporter variant.
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>>1964801
We don't have Airforce drones, i do remember an anon posting designs but i don't think we can make them until we research them.
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>>1964803
We did research them. Everything about them was fine except for a bit of miscommunication resulting in the bomber design becoming essentially a guided missile.
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>>1964804
Oh, alright then.
Kinda weirded out by the air drone serving a recon and cannon fodder role for both air forces and ground forces. I think it's the C&C fanboy in me that's causing that.
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>>1964805
Eh, technically speaking the "scout" drone would probably be the sensor carrier but those are not only the size of an actual jet / plane but also more expensive (they make up for that by essentially being outfitted with our best sensors and relaying that data back to either a tending craft or base for processing).

However as to cannon fodder, that is what the "fighter" air drone is for: local air superiority, ground support, interception and, in theory, anti-missile work.
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>>1964587
>Mate where did I imply that this would stop development at home?
The time on the replicators and multiple constructors worth of material, thrown into the sea for kicks and shiggles.

>>1964587
>Subs are larger and generally more aqua-dynamically shaped.
Wow, "its big and speedy-shaped"? Considering powering and maneuvering a smaller craft is far easier, small wins out.

>>1964587
>Ignoring the problems with powering those weapons, the fact that you are spending far more on engine systems / propulsion, the need for more computing power, the repeated sets of communications systems and all that stuff that makes it much more expensive?
We can, in fact, make fewer robots than the subs amount of matter permits. We can, in fact, make just a few and use them far more effectively than a submersible dildo that cant maneuver for shit, as opposed to small nimble bots that punch far above their weight and we dont care if one gets hit (vs the sub likely going down).

>>1964587
>Except it'd be far from the same amount of resources given the fact you'd need to power whatever is lifting your flying carrier.
>Weight = mass x gravity is an immutable rule of the universe and you can't really get around that.
Well, mister math, if you noticed in the last thread where I proposed the amount of power needed to overcome gravity, its actually very little if you are not using engines or other means to mediate the effect. Since our propulsion lifts do just that, I can comfortably say they are cheap enough to be useful. Especially when we sink more research into them.

>>1964587
>Except in the cases like it going to Hawaii, where we know something destroyed the thing we had flying through the air, or near the NCR / MLA-Legion / BOS, since we don't want them to know about us being able to do that yet or in places like Texas which has nuclear tornadoes that would rip it apart.
Then we send in the small sub bots wit the portal in tow, or, again, fly in ourselves. And by this comparison, the sub does remarkably worse in a tornado.

>>1964587
>And you want to fly a unknown gauntlet of the best pre-war AA weapons? "Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.". At least the only problem with mine is that it could take a fair bit of time, compared to you who wants to fly a literal suicide mission
Because it i obviously impossible to use a few drones to scout out the AA AOE, strenghts and weaknesses and likely access points instead of going straight for the door in a straight line. Think with your head man.
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I am on the side of the ones who want to build the airship.
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Also wans't our satellite destroyed after it passed the NRC and got to the Sea? where our brain said there might be giant monsters?
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>>1964817
Was probably some AA defence from the Hawaii base (if the thing got that far). The thing is we are woefully lacking in intelligence of all kinds so we are pretty blind to things outside our borders (something SPI should come up a plan for).
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>>1964221
>How does it compare to the NCR's tanks?
From the Tanker's knowledge, the NCR has many different Tank varieties. It is definitely superior or equal to the NCR's light tanks at least. Depending on the type of medium tanks its either equal or slightly inferior in regards to armor and hitting power (it was never meant to be a standalone MBT) but makes up for it in superior speed AND terrain climbing. Against Heavy Tanks its advisable to find some cover, or to outflank them with more numbers.

Of course, this is purely a guesstimate based on the Tanker's stored memories, and you'll actually have to test them in the field.

> are there any regards in which we are superior to it
Surprisingly, no. It's the Creme of the Old World military hardware, the very best.

Luckily for you you just healed the Creme of the Old World's genius'.

>What kind of shells can it fire?
Only AP, standard ammunition like the kind used in Old World and NCR tanks.

>What calibre?
Eh, I'm going to avoid misleading you by giving you a calibre number only because that doesn't also take into account barrel velocity. It's considered a bit lighter than the standard US MBT Cannon, but not significantly so.

>Does it have any AA abilities?
No, it's particularly weak to Aircraft.

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Psst, if you wanna actually play with these things I recommend. http://www.moddb.com/mods/cc-shockwave
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>>1964822
Could definitely be AA for Hawaii.
However the Sea monsters are still there, it'd prefer dealing with AA in an airsip than monsters in a submarine.
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>>1964827
Agreed.
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>>1964826

Could we feasibly fit an ammunition-replicator inside these things, or is that impractical due to power restraints?
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>>1964826
Now the actual hard hitting questions....

How many can we make?
How much air support, considering NCR capabilities, do they need?
How many, based on pre-war records, do we need to field a mobile assault/harassment force?
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>>1964826
Alright, so the Drone tanks are good cannon fodder, support and anti-light vehicle, maybe add a small rocket pod to offset it's AP only rounds.
What it/we need is a medium MBT, the Enforcer MK2 looks to be the perfect contender for the spot but the Chinese might have something or we can research own design.
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>>1964830
That's the beauty of these fancy schmancy old world techs. They have ammunition replication inside them already.

You could try to fit a better one though, but these robot tanks don't have particularly excessive generators for it. But then you could upgrade those as ell.

>>1964835
>How many can we make?
I'd need to calculate that with an actual action + rolls. Currently, you can only produce them in the Divide War Factory too due to high level military anti-design theft, which is offline due to you diverting power from the base for your MASSIVE construction projects.

>How much air support, considering NCR capabilities, do they need?
Depends on whether you invest in AA or your own Air Fleet.

>How many, based on pre-war records, do we need to field a mobile assault/harassment force?
They are effective for harassment individually, but much more so as a squad or a platoon.
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>>1964836
Actually, you know what would be an interesting MBT? A sound/sonic tank. We haven't researched the best the Sonic emitter could offer and with Doctor 8 now partially sane we could make some great progress.
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>>1964838
Obviously you can attempt to crack their blueprints, but it will take time.

Or you could go and search for their ultimate source, which is indicated to be Hawaii. That is also where you will find the strategy center to unlock some of the other units.

Currently, without authorization, you can only produce:
-Small Robot Hover Tank
-Mortar Humvee
-Medic Drone
-Sentry Drone
-Plasma Avenge
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>>1964839
Funnily enough there IS a Sonic Sound Tank template in the War Factory, but its currently not available and the details need to be sent in by the Strategy Center at Hawaii.

The MLA are reported to have Sonic Weapons as well.
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>>1964810
>The time on the replicators and multiple constructors worth of material, thrown into the sea for kicks and shiggles.
Yeah and? Fact is we aren't going to be needing more robots in NW anytime soon, so this ain't an issue as we also have a surplus of materials. We are in the rare position of having the ability to do this without impacting our overall plans and it's not like these units are destroyed the moment construction is done. They can head back or go somewhere else and start construction there.

>Wow, "its big and speedy-shaped"? Considering powering and manoeuvring a smaller craft is far easier, small wins out.
Powering a bigger craft is easier given the square-cube law works in our favour, giving us more volume for the same (relative) area trying to push through the water. As to manoeuvring: that barely comes into play since this thing is going to be a glorified cargo and artillery vessel to get Hawaii under control and provide an immediate basing point on that end. Maybe a few torpedoes or a laser but that is it.

>We can, in fact, make fewer robots than the subs amount of matter permits. We can, in fact, make just a few and use them far more effectively than a submersible dildo that cant maneuver for shit, as opposed to small nimble bots that punch far above their weight and we dont care if one gets hit (vs the sub likely going down).
Why in gods name would the sub be going down? Why in gods name does it matter if it can't turn on a dime? It's to get enough of our shit to Hawaii to secure the place and after that it'll probably be a scouting vessel and trade raider.

>Well, mister math, if you noticed in the last thread where I proposed the amount of power needed to overcome gravity, its actually very little if you are not using engines or other means to mediate the effect.
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on this being relatable until OP says either way. My main point was that inherently a flying craft, by whatever method of propulsion you want to use, is going to be less efficient than a boat since a boat has buoyancy working in it's favour.

>Since our propulsion lifts do just that, I can comfortably say they are cheap enough to be useful. Especially when we sink more research into them.
Except they don't. I mean, we've got no fundamental reason to believe that they are cheap to make or use.

>Then we send in the small sub bots wit the portal in tow, or, again, fly in ourselves.
Small bots that'd be far worse off in terms of speed, resistance to currents and ability to power said portal? Assuming they could even move it effectively.
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>>1964844
How will the Sub deal with sea monsters?
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>>1964844
>And by this comparison, the sub does remarkably worse in a tornado.
And it ain't a comparison. It was to show just how insanely flawed your statement of it's greater mobility was since realistically we can't or wouldn't currently deploy the craft in the regions I listed, not that it matters anyway since the primary purpose of this craft ain't combat to begin with.

>Because it i obviously impossible to use a few drones to scout out the AA AOE, strenghts and weaknesses and likely access points instead of going straight for the door in a straight line. Think with your head man.
And how do you suggest doing that? We have no access to the other side of the NCR with any sorts of drones as of this moment in time so they'd need to head over the NCR which most likely would get spotted and eliminated. This is before mentioning that the most you are probably going to get is the fact that your crafts were destroyed at X ranges and possibly what by. Not exactly useful.

>>1964817
Yep

>>1964842
What are the medic and sentry drone designs like?
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>>1964842
Can we not just move the factory and all the better machinery over to BigMT so we have all the valuable tech in one place and secure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9RuaB3c9FQ

Also, what is the most powerful weapon a tank-sized machine can carry as a frontline weapon? In the military base archives, I mean.
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>>1964842
>Obviously you can attempt to crack their blueprints, but it will take time.
Will it be faster if we produce some to reverse engineer?
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>>1964845
Well, considering the known species of aquatic life form there are the following threats:

1) Mirelurks - primarily live near the shores, are based off crabs = safe so long as we aren't too deep or near a coast. Worst comes to worst deploy a squad or two of assaultrons from the replicator / through the teleporter.

2) Mutated / "ghoul" dolphins - unknown abilities, unknown intelligence, unknown behaviour. Logical conclusion: potential threat but most likely unable to pierce a metal hull.
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3) "Ghoul whales" - entirely legend as far as we know, similar to the dolphins except more dangerous. Could be detected and avoided by possible sonic emissions, e,g whale song?
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>>1964853
I refuse to believe there are only 3. This just sounds like you are trying to push you submarine by severely underestimating the Marine threat.
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>>1964855
No, these are just the ones we are aware of. I'd probably also add the various species of squid but the simple fact is that in the oceans there are few species strong enough to actually threaten a well designed sub.

Fact is that anything which could fuck up the sub could fuck up a smaller robot just as easily given they'll not exactly be built like tanks or anything.
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>>1964858
>but the simple fact is that in the oceans there are few species strong enough to actually threaten a well designed sub.
Our brain disagrees with you, he told us to avoid the Ocean IN OUR ALIEN SHIP because of sea monsters, A submarine will not survive.
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>>1964844
>Yeah and? Fact is we aren't going to be needing more robots in NW anytime soo
Considering we have literally no realtime espionage, I can think of a few things more useful.

>>1964844
>They can head back or go somewhere else and start construction there.
Except they are way the fuck out nowhere and unprotected, with literally the best piece of tech. Not that smart.

>>1964844
>square-cube law
Meaning the bigger object gets exponentially more massive ergo harder to move. Have you noticed how an elephant is slow but a cheetah is really fast? Yeah. The water friction is largely moot considering our power capability.

>>1964844
>It's to get enough of our shit to Hawaii
Dude, again with this shit. We only need to get one portal to wherever we are going. Thats all it takes. No need for a cargo craft to ferry shit around when you can instantly teleport between two points with ease.

>>1964844
>Small bots that'd be far worse off in terms of speed, resistance to currents and ability to power said portal?
They are faster, more maneuverable and the portal can be powered remotely. A non-issue, in other words.

>>1964846
>We have no access to the other side of the NCR
And neither do we have access to the sea. When we get there or figure out a way to bypass it air is the fast and reliable way. We dont even have a real way to navigate the subs besides periscoping and constant support from drones anyway. Might as well just use the drones. And if it turns out the AA is too OP, we fly in a aquatic bot with the portal and have it swim there and plonck the thing underneath the waves on the beach if nothing else works. Point is, making a sub for this is wasteful and doesnt serve the purpose. You are trying to justify the sub instead of finding the best solution.
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>>1964861
>We only need to get one portal to wherever we are going. Thats all it takes. No need for a cargo craft to ferry shit around when you can instantly teleport between two points with ease.
This.
The submarine idea is stupid.
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>>1964846
The Sentry Drone is a tracked drone vehicle with an AP .50 cal machine gun and stealth capable, with relatively heavy armor for a robot (comprable to Securitrons/Sentry Robots)

The Medic Drone is very similar, but a bit more armored, and essentially a well protected mobile auto doc with a completent of medical drones to heal infantry en masse.
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>>1964847
Without authorization codes that might activate the automated self destruct sequence.

>Also, what is the most powerful weapon a tank-sized machine can carry as a frontline weapon?
Define powerful.

According to the military archives, a magnetized Railgun was being worked on by a General Towns which could pierce "anything".
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>>1964879
And I assume the facility is too big to move in one piece/few pieces?

The railgun is something we can mount on a tank? Even if heavy?

>>1964872
>The Sentry Drone is a tracked drone vehicle with an AP .50 cal machine gun and stealth capable, with relatively heavy armor for a robot (comprable to Securitrons/Sentry Robots)
So is it essentially a securitron-sized cheap and durable AP gunnery platform with stealth? How much cheaper are we talking and how long can they operate without contact/fueling and can SPI incorporate them into the network? The idea being to seed the desert with them to provide security and overview.
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Could we clone a body for Diana and connect her via tesla coil? That way we'd have 2x super biology scientist.
I wonder what are the ramifications of doing this with a ZAX machine.
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>>1964860
I fail to see how this means that any other solution solves the issue since the implication I get from that statement, at least the way you are saying it is that flight is not protection and I doubt your small robots would fair much better if in any way differently.

>>1964861
>Considering we have literally no realtime espionage, I can think of a few things more useful.
SPI got a bunch of assets. Tunnellers and cloaking squads of assaultrons. Thus we should be in theory passively gaining intelligence assuming we tell her to deploy the assets.

>Except they are way the fuck out nowhere and unprotected, with literally the best piece of tech. Not that smart.
Not unprotected, each one does have that squad of robots it commands, which can anything from Securitrons to Loader construction robots.

>Meaning the bigger object gets exponentially more massive ergo harder to move. Have you noticed how an elephant is slow but a cheetah is really fast? Yeah.
An elephant and a cheetah are two entirely different animals. Your comparison is shit on many levels but I would also point out that a bigger object can have the same mass dedicated to weapons systems, sensors and communications but will have them take a smaller percentage over all thanks to it's bigger mass. Meaning it can have a bigger engine, meaning it accelerates faster and goes to a higher speed depending on the interference of outside factors like an atmosphere but that problem can be solved by application of certain design techniques and materials to minimise friction.

>The water friction is largely moot considering our power capability.
Then that renders power a moot point in general.
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>>1964891
>Dude, again with this shit. We only need to get one portal to wherever we are going. Thats all it takes. No need for a cargo craft to ferry shit around when you can instantly teleport between two points with ease.
Except we can't teleport anything bigger than a set size which is incredibly limiting in terms of what we can move across. Which given how hard it was to pierce the base we found in the Divide, god help us with Hawaii. Or do you not understand the problem we are having with Montana currently?

>They are faster, more manoeuvrable and the portal can be powered remotely.
The portal being able to be remotely powered only works if you have enough power to actually activate it, store sufficient power to open the portal again, and then you start being able to draw additional energy into storage for use.

As to them being faster, I've debated that point, and manoeuvrability doesn't matter in either of our cases: in yours because it's performing a single direction trip ending in a beach somewhere on the Hawaiian island chain whereas in mine it's because this thing ain't exactly going to be trying to do some crazy moves.

>And neither do we have access to the sea. When we get there or figure out a way to bypass it air is the fast and reliable way.
I've already explained how we'd get to the sea. You are making an issue out of nothing.

>We dont even have a real way to navigate the subs besides periscoping and constant support from drones anyway.
It's called a map. You might have heard of it. When used in conjunction with this thing called headings, speed-distance-time calculations and the stars people did far more impressive things than getting to Hawaii.

>Might as well just use the drones. And if it turns out the AA is too OP, we fly in a aquatic bot with the portal and have it swim there and plonk the thing underneath the waves on the beach if nothing else works.
Or we cut out your middle stage of throwing yet more resources into a sunk cost fallacy: waiting to see what gives first your stupidity and pride, the tolerance of others for it or the pre-war US military's missile, laser, rail-gun and flak AA defences.

>Point is, making a sub for this is wasteful and doesn't serve the purpose.
The purpose being, get to Hawaii? Right? Because it seems to me like it is perfectly fine in this regard.

>You are trying to justify the sub instead of finding the best solution.
Why would I be trying to justify that? I don't particularly harbour any emotions towards them as a concept or class of vessel.
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There was talk of getting House back. I always wanted to either rejuvenate his body or just clone a new, young and healthy one and put his brain in it before we wake him up.
I'm sure that he would appreciate not being a dry, old husk anymore.

Later he can decide if he wants to debrain to double his scientific capacity.

I hope we can convince him to work under us and that we won't have to kill him.
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>>1964895
That is at least something we can all agree on. Hell I think he'd quite like the society we've built thus far.
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>>1964895
>>1964897
As long as we wake him up after we get New Vegas.
>>1964879
QM please answer >>1964848
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>>1964891
>Then that renders power a moot point in general.
Yes, meaning "Meaning it can have a bigger engine, meaning it accelerates faster and goes to a higher speed " is also moot, since the small craft can output enough power to compensate.
>>1964891
>SPI got a bunch of assets. Tunnellers and cloaking squads of assaultrons. Thus we should be in theory passively gaining intelligence assuming we tell her to deploy the assets.
Having to spend actions to get intel is exactly the problem. We need a passive oversight and we require the actions for other things.

>>1964891
>Not unprotected, each one does have that squad of robots it commands, which can anything from Securitrons to Loader construction robots.
And we cant be certain that something underneath the waves decides to munch on them. We just dont know enough to be reasonably sure (VS land where we have the opportunity to send in aircraft to assist).

Anyway dude, subs are a bad idea when we have the options we do. Furthermore, investing in air power pays off far more in both the short and long term VS marine assets. Just let it be and lets move on to useful things.
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>>1964891
>I fail to see how this means that any other solution solves the issue since the implication I get from that statement, at least the way you are saying it is that flight is not protection and I doubt your small robots would fair much better if in any way differently.
Ok 1) i did not recommend or even support the small robots idea, don't pin that on me.
2) you're right and flight is not protection but it does add a layer of survivability, combine that with some escort airdrones and guns we have a good chance at repelling sea monsters that try to reach at us. On the other hand your submarine idea throws us at the danger, it's suicide to be at the Sea monster's home turf.

Also, can't we just use the Inertia drive to go into medium orbit and then come back down into Hawaii? With that we avoid anything from the sea attempting to grab us.
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>>1964848
Well thats what you'd need to do by default.
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>>1964894
By god man are you daft.

1) We can make the portal bigger and shuffle the robots through. Moot point, we are doing it already.

2)QM stated we can stick a battery to the thing and itd be good for at least a few portal openings, at which point we can recharge/bring the bigger portal through if we didnt bring it directly.

3)And when we get to the sea via the Legion, guess what gets to Hawaii faster.

4)Might work.

5)Air power is something we will develop anyway, might as well use it VS making a one-time hunk of scrap for ferrying limited amounts of crap over a period of months per trip.

6)Giant sub doesnt seem wasteful? Gotcha.

7)Then why the insistance? Can you honestly not see the advantage of making a cheap one-off solution vs a giant sub that we then have to figure out a purpose for? Especialy since we are probably not going to focus on navy as much as air power.

You try to pass off this idea as novel and useful but its shit. Just plain shit. Please come back with a better proposal and learn to take critizism instead of digging your heels.
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>>1964912
Alright that was a stupid question.
How much time will it take then?
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>>1964910
>Also, can't we just use the Inertia drive to go into medium orbit and then come back down into Hawaii? With that we avoid anything from the sea attempting to grab us.
Also very valid point. If we ODST fast enough with some cover we might actually be faster as well as more secure.
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>>1964916
I don't recommend doing that with the scout ship BTW, it's one of a kind and AA might still hit it.
Use a large bomber or Airship with EMP resistance, as long as it an make the landing and turn on a teleporter we're in.
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>>1964916
Actually you give me a better idea, we towed a satellite in orbit using the Scout ship, why not a ODST drop pod with a teleporter inside? Or a Mobile replicator that can start making units once it lands to take over the base.
Why make an expensive Airship just for this mission when we can make a one time use drop pod? I still want to make the Airship by the way.
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>>1964900
Obviously.

How long till we start seriously working towards conquering Vegas. And how?
Imo, we need to build tunnels all over the place and also put teleporters, preferably inside new Vegas.
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>>1964940
We already have a teleporter in New Vegas, don't know if it's still functional though.
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>>1964903
>Yes, meaning "Meaning it can have a bigger engine, meaning it accelerates faster and goes to a higher speed " is also moot, since the small craft can output enough power to compensate.
Except my point was that a large craft can outperform a smaller one in any regard that a design chooses to make it excel in without sacrificing effectiveness in other regards however I see what you mean and will relent.

>Having to spend actions to get intel is exactly the problem. We need a passive oversight and we require the actions for other things.
Honestly I don't know if we even need to spend actions. I think we might just need to tell her and then she'll get started again.

>And we cant be certain that something underneath the waves decides to munch on them. We just dont know enough to be reasonably sure (VS land where we have the opportunity to send in aircraft to assist).
I...I honestly don't follow. We were talking about them being far, far outside of our area of control. Where are these aircraft of yours coming from?

As to them being under threat from something trying to eat them: unlikely, given that they'd have a squad each of highly advanced killing machines or at least moderately effective ones.

>Anyway dude, subs are a bad idea when we have the options we do. Furthermore, investing in air power pays off far more in both the short and long term VS marine assets. Just let it be and lets move on to useful things.
I suppose, to be frank the main reason was to avoid any potential for detection by the NCR and getting the project underway immediately whereas the actual dock being underwater and such was to prevent immediate retaliation against it by the MLA-Legion when we declare war on them or vice versa but once it was down there I realised you'd need a sub to get to it and...well you can see how we get to here.
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>>1964910
>Ok 1) i did not recommend or even support the small robots idea, don't pin that on me.
Yeah sorry, I've not slept.

>2) you're right and flight is not protection but it does add a layer of survivability, combine that with some escort airdrones and guns we have a good chance at repelling sea monsters that try to reach at us. On the other hand your submarine idea throws us at the danger, it's suicide to be at the Sea monster's home turf.
I suppose.

>Also, can't we just use the Inertia drive to go into medium orbit and then come back down into Hawaii? With that we avoid anything from the sea attempting to grab us.
Risks being identified as an ICBM or whatever and being eliminated with impunity by the US defences.

>>1964913
>1) We can make the portal bigger and shuffle the robots through. Moot point, we are doing it already.
That requires a huge building, massive amounts of power and one on either end which would essentially render it impossible. Even assuming the entire volume of what I'd be advising was associated with making this work.

>2)QM stated we can stick a battery to the thing and itd be good for at least a few portal openings, at which point we can recharge/bring the bigger portal through if we didnt bring it directly.
That is for tiny recharging portals. Also how in the hell do you plan on bringing the bigger portal through the smaller one? It's not exactly a flat pack construction set. It's a entire complex of rooms and equipment to sustain huge rends in space time.

>3)And when we get to the sea via the Legion, guess what gets to Hawaii faster.
My plan? I mean the alternative plan essentially involves building a big enough craft to survive whatever measures the pre-war world would be throwing at it on arrival, contain a sizable portal or replication system, methods by which to avoid detection by the NCR and measures to survive whatever is in the ocean.

It doesn't seem like to be honest there is a quick way to Hawaii that isn't a half assed plan where we steal a NCR ship or repair a damaged one to cut down on our provisioning time.
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>Brain
"By the way, if you intend to go by Hawaii or China, the UFO is a more sensible option. It is likely that whatever could strike the satellite at higher altitudes, won't so easily strike something flying lower."
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>>1965010
What about the Sea monsters you warned me about last time?
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>>1964928
Then we agree. The ODST point was for the portal anyway.
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>>1965003
>I suppose, to be frank the main reason was to avoid any potential for detection by the NCR and getting the project underway immediately whereas the actual dock being underwater and such was to prevent immediate retaliation against it by the MLA-Legion when we declare war on them or vice versa but once it was down there I realised you'd need a sub to get to it and...well you can see how we get to here.
Gotcha. Honestly, I dont want to argue on this since we are going nowhere without QM ruling. Lets just move on.
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The Popup Turret is a Twin Armed .50cal AP turret, with stealth capability. Apparently, not only can it be built, it can also be parachuted from altitude and bury itself in the ground.

This poses interesting ideas for our Subterrines.

The Patriot EMP defense system consists of several linked Patriot Batteries firing Tesla Missiles. These are quite devastating, both to infantry but especially to electronics.

The Plasma Avenger is an AA dedicated, relatively fast weapons platform truck. It has twin linked Turbo Plasma Rifle's with advanced coolant systems allowing for continuous fire, the drawback is that the coolant system requires a vertical air intake and plasma fume exhaust system, so it can only fire upwards and at air targets.

Particularly and "extremely" effective against low level enemy aircraft and as an anti-CAS system. Not so very effective against high altitude or stratrospheric craft, but in numbers can fill the sky with a deterrent of massed plasma.

As an afterthought, due to is nigh vulnerability to ground forces, it can also act as a Laser Designator and improve the accuracy of nearby units.
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>>1965068
>Brain
"Just remember the tale if Icarus. Try not to fly too high, or too low. Or along the coast."
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>>1965116
Does the avenger have missle intercept tech?
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>>1965116
How expensive is the popup vs a securitron and how long can it stay in the field?

Can we stick the AA system onto TACT bots? Is it worth it?

How many patriot systems do we need for it to be useful?
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>>1965131
Yes
>>1965135

>How expensive is the popup vs a securitron
Relatively similar

>Can we stick the AA system onto TACT bots
With modifcations. It'd be a more armored, smarter version.

>How many patriot systems do we need for it to be useful?
Like any defensive emplacements, its a matter of investment.
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>>1965139
What sensors do the popups have? Could they be an AA/early sensor type thing in our lovely desert?
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How many turns longer until we've finished the cold fusion reactor in NW by the way? Just a rough estimate...
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>>1965151
At least 4 or 5 but maybe longer, give or take having to completely restock depleted resources.
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>>1965151
Also, how much could it generate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y
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>>1965156
I think we've gotten a large portion of the concrete work done now but I know what you mean.
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>>1965156
Thats not including the Brain Vault,but after the Fusion reactor is finished progress will speed up progress
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>>1965181
Is there an efficiency advantage to building a larger disintegrator replicaor? How big, with the new reactor, would be most appropriate, considering we want to faze out "normal" resources as much as possible and eventually make a mantle drill solution that feeds the replicator in a Star Forge manner?

How much lager can we make the next fusion reactor and does it scale linearly or logarythmically?
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>>1965232
>Is there an efficiency advantage to building a larger disintegrator replicaor?
Time: Yes
Energy: Absolutely Not
Mass: Yes

Imagine no longer having to rely on the finite resources of Fissile Materials, and saving them for something much more worthwhile like nuclear weapons.

Fusion Reactors thankfully do scale linearly, mostly. At least theoretically. If there's a diminishing return value is unknown.
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>>1965241
So you are saying, outright, that a replicator does not become more efficient as we increase the size of the machine?
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>>1965256
Oh you meant the replicator.

No, that scales up linearly. It cost the same amount of energy to produce the same amount of material. The large disintegrator can just do it more.

However, again, the form of replication also factors in. Pure energy production being the most expensive, but the fastest. Fissile or Non-Fissile Particular Rearangement replication is slower, but less expensive.

By faster or slower, it amounts to how much you can produce a turn.
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>>1965256
Also the bigger replicators do need exponentially more stability in its infrastructure, as essentially you are containing a nuclear reaction of a sort. So the bigger ones need more initial material investment to its design.
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3 squads of MKV Securitrons are passively produced.

ALERT:
Massive Amounts of Hexcrete and Steelworks have taken place at the bottom of the giant hole.

Hexcrete Bags Has Decreased from (HUGE+) to (Plentiful)
Metal Has Decreased from (Plentiful) -> (Below Average)
Water is Decreasing from (Above Average) to (Below Average)

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>BIG MT
https://pastebin.com/jAXYFRB1

>THE NURSERY
https://pastebin.com/ic3ac1xL

>MONTANNA
https://pastebin.com/hNDfikF9

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NEWS:
-This month is your Children's Birthday. Wendy is expecting at the End of this Month.

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
+Biological Research does not count toward cap
>>>>>Turn: 121
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>>1965345
~NEW TURN~
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>>1965314
QM, please explain the differences of non-fissile and disintegrator replicators. Also, the big disintegrator can turn any old matter into whatever we want, correct? It is far cheaper than direct energy replication but a bit more expensive than fissile replicators? Where does the non-fissile fit in?

Also, how big of a random-matter-to-robot replicator (disintegrator?) can we comfortably install when the current fusion plant is done?
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>>1965345
>Hero.
-Prepare and celebrate the Children's birthday.
-go get the NCR holodisks from the MLA.
Don't know what else, anyone have any ideas?
>Civ.
I don't know.
>Construction 1+2
Continue cotrusction of the cold fusion reactor.
>Robot research.
Research the BoS robots we got for possible upgrades to add to our existing robot designs.
>ZAX.
Research the BoS robots we got for possible upgrades to add to our existing robot designs.
>Biological research.
I don't know.
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>1965351
>>1965345

>>HERO
>B-day party for the younglings
>Get the NCR holodisks from the MLA
>Then head to Hawaii, Don't fly to high or low

>>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
>Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>>CIV
>Keep working on fixing up houses around our settlements and improving way of life stuff

>>ZAX RESEARCH
>Combine Alien weapons and Human tech more, in any field possible. Wither it be weapon to doctor

>>ROB-RESEARCH
>Upgrade the behemoths

>>BIO RESEARCH
>FEV research

>>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
>behemoths
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>>1965397
What is
>Upgrade the behemoths
Is it combining the Behemoth replicator and the Omni-constructor?
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>>1965406
I would believe so. Whatever upgrades we can smack on them, I suggest we attempt.
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>>1965397
What exactly are we going to do in hawaii? when its just us?
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>>1965414
That military base?

>>1965397


>>HERO
>B-day party for the younglings
>Get the NCR holodisks from the MLA
>Then head to Hawaii, Don't fly to high or low. military base/naval yard

>>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
>Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>>CIV
>Keep working on fixing up houses around our settlements and improving way of life stuff

>>ZAX RESEARCH
>Combine Alien weapons and Human tech more, in any field possible. Wither it be weapon to doctor

>>ROB-RESEARCH
>Upgrade the behemoths with the replicator, and Omni-constructor and/or any other improvements.

>>BIO RESEARCH
>FEV research

>>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
>behemoths
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>>1965413
Alright, was kinda worried you wanted to upgrade the behemoth into a tank unit instead of the Good old giant roboscorpion.
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>>1965421
Supporting.
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>>1965425
This is the BoS thing mate?
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>>1965421
>>Then head to Hawaii, Don't fly to high or low. military base/naval yard
Make sure to bring a teleporter pad with the remote charging feature.
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>>1965421
Yeah, I got that. Go to Hawaii, to get at the military base.
But what specifically do you expect us to do?
Like, if its an island, and every inch of it is coveered with automated defenses, what do you expect us to do?

even if it isnt, do you expect we can take control of it by our lonesome?
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>>1965449
No? What's the BoS thing?
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>>1965453
Also bring Riddick with us.
>>1965458
>even if it isnt, do you expect we can take control of it by our lonesome?
Use a teleporter pad to bring in forces to take over.
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>>1965458
scouting and locating the place. Set up a forward base, all that stuff. I mean by all ahead if you don't like it suggest your own mate.

>>1965461
We got it from the MLA i thought it was the behemoth, that the BoS was using against them?
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>>1965470
>We got it from the MLA i thought it was the behemoth, that the BoS was using against them?
Ok now i'm lost.
Yes this is the same Behemoth robot that the BoS uses.
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>>1965458
If you're worried about Hawaii defenses why not land on a different island close to Hawaii then teleport forces from there to assault Hawaii?
Anyone know if such an Island exists?
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>>1965491
It's Hawaii, so there would be another island. But we don't exactly know which island its on.
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>>1965421
We should develop weapons against the holograms Elijah is going to use. Something to short out the projectors or something.
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>>1965515
Well worst case scenario all the islands near Hawaii have bases too and we have nowhere to easily land.
>>1965523
We already have such a weapon but i agree, we should research upgrades to the pulse gun.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse_gun_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)
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>>1965345
>
>-This month is your Children's Birthday. Wendy is expecting at the End of this Month

I think this is a perfect opportunity to introduce Diana to our family and have a great birthday party at the nursery. Warn Diana first though
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Don't we need to finish FEV lab for FEV research?
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>>1965535
Thats shooting the projector. Which would likely be armoured and shielded. I mean something like the sound gun but it shorts out the hologram by shooting the hologram.
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>>1965540
Don't want to do that right now but if i get outvoted make sure to flesh out what Diana can and can't do and say.
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>>1965549
That gun does short out the hologram, we did exactly that with it when we fought him the first time.
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>>1965548
I think so. Diana is fervently against FEV in her place.
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>>1965555
That was only when shooting the projectors. The pulse gun just went through the actual hologram
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OP, what's the impact on our research capabilities now that we healed the think tank? Also, don't we need to heal mobius too?
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>>1965562
Except we wren't shooting the projectors, we didn't know where they were so we shot at the holograms and it worked.
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>>1965581
werent the projectors glowing lines in the walls? and the glowing nodes they were during the dlc?
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>>1965540
No. We have wasted enough time on this. No need to drag it out and fuck it up some more.

>>1965421
Replace the CIV action with "educating citizens and integrating slaves" and focus ZAX R on alien shield tech and you will have my support.
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>>1965598
I recall those glowing lines and nodes were fake or something, they weren't the emitters.
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>>1965609
They were. He just had lots of them and then On Top Of That they were shielded and hidden.

Smells like Mary...
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>>1965614
I specifically recall us taking one of those glowing lines and discovering they were just lights.
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>>1965628
No, those were micro projectors. He made them really small and stuff.
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QM were the glowing nodes Elijah had all over the place micro emitters cause i specifically remember taking one of them and finding out they were just lights.
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Rolled 64 (1d100)

>>1965421
Supporting
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>>1965614
we could combine the metal detecting sensor with an electro magnetic feild detector and spectrometer to easiky see where the emitters are
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>>1965421
Offering a different version as we have worries closer to home and Diana doesn't like FEV research

>HERO
- Birthday party for the younglings
- Get the NCR holodisks from the MLA
- Scout Elijah with Cain + Riddick

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Finish converting the former toxins plant into an FEV lab

>ZAX RESEARCH
Combine Alien and Human tech more, in any field possible.

>ROB-RESEARCH
Merge elements from the new Old World US tech with our current military robot designs

>BIO RESEARCH
Genetic perfection - designing the perfect human

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
Behemoths
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>>1960687
>>1960499
From these two free actions (bio + robot research) it seems like we're hitting a bit of a creative wall.

Could we gather our assembled scientists / brains and ask them what immediate fields / projects they think we should be delving into - rather than tasks which will take years?
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>>1966362
I'd clarify we're building mobile replicators and not behemoths.
Also that Genetic perfection research worries me.
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>>1966394
That would be good.
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>>1966398
>mobile replicators
For what purpose? Why do we want one of our best techs out in the field?

>Genetic perfection
Why? It's the next logical step. Bio-mechanical augments can only do so much before we need to start working at a genetic level.

>>1966394
Also backing this
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>>1966465
>For what purpose? Why do we want one of our best techs out in the field?
I dunno, why would we want behemoths instead of Roboscorpions or Bastions?
>Why? It's the next logical step.
You tell me what Genetec perfection sounds to you.
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>>1966465
We need a name for the replicator models to make this easier and less confusing
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>>1966482
MWF?
Mobile War Factory.
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>>1966488
If that's what this Behemoth version is, then supporting that.

Does it have enough on-board power to act as a war factory though...?

>>1966474
The absence of genetic defects or disabilities. Peak fitness and mental ability. Improved senses and reflexes. Reduced chance of disease and enhanced natural lifespan.
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>>1966512
Enhanced lifespan to what end?
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>>1966512
>Does it have enough on-board power to act as a war factory though...?
Don't know, it can definitely produce some Squads of robots, check last thread for more details.
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>>1965421
Roll me 3 1d100s!

Still a bit busy, will try to update tonight.

>>1965360
Universal - Energy to Matter. Very expensive. Has energy constraints (some systems have to remain powered like like supports). But faster.

Disintegrator/Non-Fissile - Lower Quality Matter to Higher Quality (Rocks into Steel). Less energy expensive, but takes some more time.

Fissile - High Quality to (usually) Lower Quality (Sierra Madre Chips / Fissile into goods, etc.)

>>1965579
So far the Think Tank is recovering, but you have high hopes for them. You are sort of using them as a guinea pigs before you also try Mobius, in case something goes wrong.

>>1965663
You'll have to help refer me to the post, it those lines were most likely a new form of holo emitter.
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>>1966929
my roll here >>1965397
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>>1966929
>You'll have to help refer me to the post, it those lines were most likely a new form of holo emitter.
Thread 7.
>What the fuck. Impossible, there was no way-
>You turn around and see 10 holograms in the room. Impossible, you cut the wires! How?
I'll try looking for more bits.
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>>1966929
My roll here >>1965840
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Rolled 7 (1d100)

>>1966929
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>>1965549
Also, here's this bit for you.
>Time slows as you activate the GRX implant, the equivalent of Turbo coursing through your mind.
>Everything that can disrupt technology you release, firing the sonic blaster at the holograms.
>It does nothing but make them wobble and fade for a bit, ut pass through.
>The Pulse grenade however, causes electricals and wiring all around you to spark as the holograms stutter and then vanish.
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>>1966993
>>It does nothing but make them wobble and fade for a bit, ut pass through.
So the gun did nothing to the holograms, and we only defeated them by setting of pulse explosives to disable the projectors in the walls.

Which is why I wanted a gun that you could shoot the hologram with. Would be easier than sniping the emitter under whatever armour and forcefields and whatever elijah puts them behind.
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>>1967003
>and we only defeated them by setting of pulse explosives to disable the projectors in the walls.
Unconfirmed that the projectors were on the wall, see >>1966952
Most likely it was just general electronic shit that malfunctioned when the Pulse blast hit them.
>Which is why I wanted a gun that you could shoot the hologram with. Would be easier than sniping the emitter under whatever armour and forcefields and whatever elijah puts them behind.
It's called the Pulse gun, we used it against the holograms and it worked.
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>>1966929
>You make your way through the hallway. You make sure to severe any glowing wires you find, so that there won't be any surprise holograms.
QM did we keep any of these glowing wires on our person?
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>>1966952
>>1967038
>Brain
"In hindsight, it was likely that Elijah had installed a redundancy failsafe where cutting one section of wire is immediately backed up by another."
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>>1967038
The bit you just posted said the sonic gun "does nothing but make them wobble and fade for a bit". Then a bunch of pulse GRENADES went of and fried everything on the walls or in the walls.

I want something that makes the hologram break down, or overload the projectors If you get what I'm saying.
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>>1967064
Except we cut as many Wires we could find, and from the post it sounds like we cut all the wires so Elijah either must have used hidden hologram projectors or something else.
Regardless, did we pocket some of those wires and do we still have them?
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>>1967077
Oh my lord.
>The Pulse grenade however, causes electricals and wiring all around you to spark as the holograms stutter and then vanish.
>AS THE HOLOGRAMS STUTTER AND THE VANISH.
Pulse grenades breaks down holograms, the pulse gun is the same technology and will do the same thing. Even if there were hidden emmiters in the walls it's proven that the pulse weapons can destroy them.
You have your anti-Elijah gun sir, please just take it.

Also, i just found this important bit.
>Meanwhile, two ghosts carrying a hologram projector walk through the door, but are blown to smitherines by the mines. But behind them, a sound like an army crawling down hallways approaches.
So we did manage to clear a room of holograms and the Ghosts had to bring a emitter in.
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>>1967081
Thats what what was implied.

"Alternatively, he knew your previous strategy of tampering with the emitter and the wire system was simply an entire ruse."
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>>1967077
Could always try and research hologram dispersal.
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>>1967131
>"Alternatively, he knew your previous strategy of tampering with the emitter and the wire system was simply an entire ruse."
Which was assumed to be the case by anons after.
So either there are hidden emitters or the Giant emitter theory one anon had is plausible.
Anyway i proved my point.
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>>1967127
Pulse weapons only destroy the emitter when they hit the emitter. Which while an option is not the easiest thing to do in the field of battle. Especially as elijah will be reinforcing and hardening his emitters so they dont just get blown out by pulse weapons.
Im suggesting a weapon that disables the emitter by interacting with the hologram. Which is a completely different thing.
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>>1967137
Yes. Thats what I want.
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>>1967151
>Which while an option is not the easiest thing to do in the field of battle.
See
>Meanwhile, two ghosts carrying a hologram projector walk through the door, but are blown to smitherines by the mines. But behind them, a sound like an army crawling down hallways approaches.
Pulse weapons worked, a room had to have extra hologram emitters brought in cause we broke the original ones. And it's still possible that the pulse gun could destroy holograms without needing to hit the emitter.

How fucking hard is it to understand that we already have the weapon you're asking for?
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>>1967169
Because we dont have it.

Pulse weapons , when they hit the emitter, shut down the emitter. Im not saying they dont.
However, relying on being able to hit the emitter all the time in foolish. They could be hidden or armoured or any number of things that make the emitter itself immune to pulse weapons. What I want is something you can shoot a hologram with to disable them.
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>>1967197
>What I want is something you can shoot a hologram with to disable them.
Yea i just noticed your previous post.
But again, it's possible that the Pulse grenades were shortening out the hologram without actually damaging the emitter. But i understand if you aren't pleases with a "Possible"
Regardless, i agree that we should soon research Anti-hologram weapons and i still believe that the Pulse gun is one such weapon.
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>>1967215
I imagine its more a modification on the sonic blaster, which already shuts down forcefields. So getting it to work on holograms should be a matter of calibrating it right.
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>>1965421
>>>BIO RESEARCH
>>FEV research

>Diana
"Please don't bring that stuff into the nursery.

You have all of BigMT just don't make me do it. I'll do whatever you want but that."

>What do?
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>>1967446
She doesn't want to be apart of those who would help cure FEV from the current people on the world?

Worse case use cloned bodies that are pure-strain from here?

Why the fuck was the Toxic labs not finished being converted yet?
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>>1967446
Dont do that.
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>>1967524
Well accidents are very much a risk that she clearly doesnt want to have in her place of living. And shes not in the wrong for thinking that.

We havent been building the fev lav because weve been busy building necessary infrastructure.
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>>1967524
Exactly what I said in my revised action list...

Don't make her do any research. Let's just clone some pure strain human bodies and place them in cryo - ready for future testing.
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>>1967535
Yeah thats good. She probably knows that human clones are not viable, so she should be okay with that.
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>>1967535
>Let's just clone some pure strain human bodies and place them in cryo - ready for future testing.
Make sure they're brainless.
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>>1967446
Would she be fine working on it in hologram mode within Big Mt?
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>>1967593
Barely anyone knows about her - baring our wives, and even they don't know much.

Given what we've done to her mind, I suggest we keep it that way.
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>>1967593
>>1967733
Thats more acceptable to her.

You don't have any FEV safe labs yet either. You started working on one though, so the progress is still there
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>>1967765
Does it require a construction action to complete, or can a Civ action be used, given that we're converting the existing toxin plant?
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>>1967765
I would say I would like us to finish the labs before we work on the FEV. So a idea for alt Bio research is...

Corps that can grow with less water or faster?

Since that's something Diana can do and will reduce our water use, or increase food supplies.
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>>1967837
Seems like a solid choice.
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>>1967837
Sounds good. We are running a bit low on water at the moment.
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>>1967837
>>1967845
>>1967980
Writing
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>>1965421
Guess who showed up back to work today.

>Dr. 0
"Hello, Courier"

>You
[Dr. 0, good to see you. Come back to the DOME then?]

>Dr. 0
"Yeah. The old house is nice, but it just doesn't quite feel the same though. Might also be I've gotten use to this place, but I can definitely see the perks of being able to venture out of this place."

>You
[How have you been feeling so far? Is everything alright?]

>Dr. 0
"It's a bit difficult, it took a while to remember how to be aware of my body and not trip and bash into things. Wouldn't even begin to know where to cook if it weren't for your replicators. I gotta admit, you've been doing a few things we wouldn't have dreamed of in the old days. That Alexa program sure is useful. The Pre-War days. Getting used to the war and the new world is also a bit of a shock."

>You
[I see. We've had some time to work out on getting people used to the present, after waking up some of the others in cryo. What I've found is getting people to work in the jobs they used to do, really helps cope with the transition.]

>Dr. 0
"Yeah. I think the others are falling into their old habits. Dr. 8 is enjoying his Opera's again, Dr. Borous is playing with Gabe. Dr. Klein seems to be the worst hit, though more irritated than depressed at least. Dr. Dala. . .I'm not sure what to make of her reaction. It's very physical to say the least."

>You
[Say, you are the Robotics and Technical expert of the Think Tank right?]

>Dr. 0
"Are you kidding? The others wouldn't even be able to perform a basic maintenance routine on their units if it weren't for me"

>You
[There's some designs I'd like you to take a look at. Why don't you come here and have a look.]

>con't
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>>1969289
Oh boy i can't wait to see his reaction to the Bastions and other designs.
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>>1969338
He'll have a nerdgasm once he realizes the robotic capacity we have established
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>>1969338
I really want to see this
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If it wasn't for that Nat 1 in the first thread. The first fucking turn.
We would have never gotten the alien spaceship. That spaceship with the alien metals are a Godsend.
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>>1969534
The question is, can we utilize it to its full potential?

move the chinese to Newberry already....
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>>1969576
If that clone of our wasn't made...

I think we should count our blessings. Since shit would have gone way different.

We should
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>>1965421
>>>ROB-RESEARCH
>>Upgrade the behemoths with the replicator, and Omni-constructor and/or any other improvements.
>>ZAX RESEARCH
>Combine Alien weapons and Human tech more, in any field possible. Wither it be weapon to doctor.

>Dr 0
"Interesting designs. These. . .Bastion Robots, TACTS, and ugh. . .Securitrons. Can't believe you replaced my deconstruction factory, but the automated assembly plant was a good choice. Gosh I feel like a. . .like a. . .small human in a confectionery depot.

Kind of a bit backwards though."

>You
[What do you mean?]

>Dr 0
"I mean, the designs aren't bad but you're going about them rather inefficiently"

>Zax(RND)
"I had that feeling as well Dr. 0. But I lack the technological insight to effectively change that"

>Dr 0
"Well. . .for starters"

---

To say you are impressed is understating it. At last, you've met another human individual (besides house possibly) who knows more about robotics and old world technology than you do.

Dr. 0 is a Genius, and that's not a word you take lightly. Sure, plenty of people can score a 10 in a Vito-Matic Machine, but Genius is in the works. As if divinely inspired, he rearranges designs on the holographic blueprint, adjusts material compositions, reroutes circuitry. Even the vaunted Alien Technology he applies.

RND and Dr. 0 get along very well (they have strikingly similar personalities).

>NEW TECHNOLOGIES
-Dr. 0 has show you how to build Omni-Constructors. You may now produce them. And, as a bonus, has also created a Behemoth Armored Variant, the COnstructOr. This one CAN be disasembled and reassembled on a human sized portal! Although it takes at least two months to do so, but thanks to magnetically self linking pieces literally puts itself together.
-Dr. 0 has developed a new type of energy weapon for a human being. It uses the same technology as the Tankitron's beam, using a laser to guide either a constant stream or a massive burst of disintegration particles, but in a far more compact form. Using advanced electronics it has a smart onboard tracking computer similar to the V.A.T.S. found in pipboys, allowing to account for such things as moving targets, air distortion, and human error, and can actually link to either a pair of smart goggles, a Pipboy V.A.T.S. system or a Neural Uplink. It's by far the best Energy Rifle you have currently, and the ZAX(MAJOR) and Moreno recommend making it standard issue

>Dr 0
"Keep throwing me more of these research actions and give me a direction. I'm having a lot of fun here!"

>Zax(RND)
"So am I. Dr 0 really has some amazing insights, and I'm a supercomputer!"
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>>1969473
>>1969338
Dr. 0 is VERY excited. Though, he's not entirely sure where to begin. Klein was always the one giving orders, and so were you. But he'll apply his mind to whatever you put him too.

"Bastion Bots. Like the concept. Could use a Photonic Resonance Barrier.

Wait, you guys didn't figure those out yet? They're easy."


>NEW TECHNOLOGY
+Photonic Resonance Shielding
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>>1969704
>+Photonic Resonance Shielding
Great
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>>1969699
QM, can we upsize the rifle, quadlink it and make it an AA weapon? Would it be better than the EMP option in close range? Thinking anti-COS and bombers.

Whats the difference between this shield and the alien ones? Is this hard light? Can we use it to interfere with Elihjas holograms? Can we make our own holo-troops?
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>>1969699
Also, can we make it into a gatling version for accurate supressing fire? Does Dr.0 have any suggestions now that he has had a look? Any input on antigrav tech and making a giant Dreadnought?

Also, in what ways are the new robots better than the old ones? Can we integrate the shields in panes onto our securitrons too (a pad on the front torso to dissipate plasma/laser fire so they last longer, for example)?

Any other way to further improve our bots? Can we turn the antigrav into a useful alternative to whatever legs our bots have so we could move on to all hover?
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>>1969704
QM I got to ask what happened with the rock star we defrost from the Alien ship?

Did he kill himself from being depressed, or did you just forget about him?

Also I think it's time we could open another person up from sleep.
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>>1969699
>ZAX(MAJOR) and Moreno recommend making it standard issue
I'm personally more in favour of railguns, but this seems cool too. Does standardising it require a Military action, or can we just say it happens?

We also haven't even provided power armour to our troops - just the hazard armour.

>>1969699
>+Photonic Resonance Shielding
That was one of the pre-req techs to New Washington 2.0, right?

If so, sweet!
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>>1969750
I honestly have no idea why we even chose him. Iirc, there was literally not a single line about him except mentioning his name once or twice.
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>>1969781
Iirc, it was about cultural propaganda and new music for the state or something like that. Basically a one-off.

Although, I dont really remember anyone else worthwhile though. Some priest?
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>>1969699
>-Dr. 0 has show you how to build Omni-Constructors. You may now produce them. And, as a bonus, has also created a Behemoth Armored Variant, the COnstructOr. This one CAN be disasembled and reassembled on a human sized portal! Although it takes at least two months to do so, but thanks to magnetically self linking pieces literally puts itself together.
>-Dr. 0 has developed a new type of energy weapon for a human being. It uses the same technology as the Tankitron's beam, using a laser to guide either a constant stream or a massive burst of disintegration particles, but in a far more compact form. Using advanced electronics it has a smart onboard tracking computer similar to the V.A.T.S. found in pipboys, allowing to account for such things as moving targets, air distortion, and human error, and can actually link to either a pair of smart goggles, a Pipboy V.A.T.S. system or a Neural Uplink. It's by far the best Energy Rifle you have currently, and the ZAX(MAJOR) and Moreno recommend making it standard issue
Dear lord...what the hell else is he gonna

>>1969704
>+Photonic Resonance Shielding
WHY DID WE WAIT SO LONG TO DO THIS!

>>1969807
There was a...farmer? With some pre-war seeds. Admittedly made a little redundant by the arrival of Diana's gene and seed banks but his actual skill at farming could be useful.
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>>1969821
>skill at farming
>useful
We have bots that work 24/7, are far superior in any measurable aspect and we have an AI who specializes in biology. I can safely say this dude is useless unless he has a secret degree in genetics or something. But honestly, if its either him or the priest go with the farmer and have him oversee?? Make him the overseer of the soon-to-be Newberry hydroponics farms when we shovel the chinese over there?? Make him cook? Seriously, these people, at face value, are pretty much useless.
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>>1969827
Hey never doubt the utility of a good farmer. Someone with actual on the ground experience with the needs of plants who can tell you what a machine would need to be like to harvest, sow and otherwise farm a crop. Still I know what you mean, he's made redundant by the existence of Diana.

Also, the Hydroponics farms ain't gonna be a thing. We decided on the underground ones.
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>>1969750
He's one of your more popular musicians on the Mrs. New Washington and Mr. New Vegas show and boosting morale, which is already through the roof but still. He's something of a celebrity along with Dean Domino.

According to SPI they're listening to him even in the NCR.
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>>1969719
The Plasma Avenger is actually a very good weapon according to even Dr. 0. BigMT played a role in its design, but he could work on an AA system.

The Alien Shield seems a lot more advanced, though its only effective against Kinetic and Inertial force. Fire, laser, electricity, acid, and plasma seems to be able to penetrate it but still being nigh impervious to conventional bullet fire has its uses.

"It's also possible to make something of holograms too. The fellow who crashed the trains some years back stole a lot of technology, including our data archives on holograms."

>>1969726
He can work on a dedicated suppression weapon.

As well as the Inertial Drive. Just needs actions each.

>Also, in what ways are the new robots better than the old ones?
Far more compact with superior circuitry and more efficient and power saving, ergo, powerful design. He's applying the creme of Old World circuitry tech.

Though nothing like House's Platinum Chip

A shielded variant of securitron can be worked on. As well as a hover, just like the Tankitron.
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>>1969914
In a straight up fight how many MK 2 securitrons like House had for the fight at the dam take to match one of ours? How about a squad of ours?
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>>1969914
>Hybridizing photonic resonance tech and alien shield tech a-go
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>>1969914
>The Plasma Avenger is actually a very good weapon according to even Dr. 0. BigMT played a role in its design, but he could work on an AA system.
The attractive thing was the targeting and in-flight tracking. If the Avenger is a better weapon overall, could we integrate the VATS into that?

>>1969914
>The Alien Shield seems a lot more advanced, though its only effective against Kinetic and Inertial force. Fire, laser, electricity, acid, and plasma seems to be able to penetrate it but still being nigh impervious to conventional bullet fire has its uses.
As >>1970076 mentioned, can we combine the two to get some hybrid vigour going?

Are the holograms better in a warfront setting (long range, artillery and so on, assuming the emitter also has to be on the field somewhere)?

Inertial Drive go!!

Anwser >>1969962 please.
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So, we've now got the ability to send replicator behemoths through our current portal network and thus to Montana, the Nursery (start expanding into the Legion / MLA over there without mentioning it's us?) and elsewhere we expand the network. Then two months later, after they self-assemble, they can be made use of or sooner if we have people / robots on the other side to assist in assembly.

So, if we produce them now with our robotics factory, we can get started in the north and really get kicking without having to create that giant truck-sized portal building.
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>>1970162
Its in "passive build" already, should be good to go, at least one. Start sending them to Montana (fortify the base to hell and back first so we can project power) and the Nursery (same shtick) after that. Then Hawaii? Alaska?
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>>1970179
Well I think we have a teleporter with the Mormon's main settlement and logically speaking we could send one there to help them. After that, it could probably set up some outposts and generally just expand underground in the region. If we are lucky, the Mormons will look at our tech and shit and just agree to join us outright which would secure us a fairly large increase in population who are fairly gene pure and intelligent without being morally outrageous.


Other good locations would be:

1) Mexico - No known competing nations besides the Legion. Significant survivor populations to the southern end that are as of yet thought to be Legion-ised. Would provide access to land seized pre-war by the US and thus potentially stocks of their weapons.

2) Texas - No known competing nations but possibly a plant based mutant cult. No known survivor populations but significant mutant plant forests. Would provide access to the irradiated ruins of the Vault-tec secret vault, the vault we got the ZAX from and various other ruins including entire cities that are unclaimed and could be rendered down for resources.

3) Florida - NASA and a pre-war US general (command!) base. Both important for the technology we might get but also for the fact that they'd almost certainly kick start any expansion here. Risk of giant mutant wild life like crocodiles.

Also another good region for growing Shi-plant given it's nature of being a hugely water logged state.

4) Panama - only water crossing from east to west without travelling all the way south. Useful to have for that reason alone but would also allow us to stop Legion expansion south by securing their southern border with a major defensive line at the canal (using it as a moat).

Plus, all major shipping would've been going through there so we'd almost certainly be able to get something of use from the ships, even if it was only materials like steel.

5) Caribbean - Unlikely to have any sorts of competing nations or significant survivor populations but would provide an isolated area to grow massive amounts of Shi-plant for fissile material, using the radioactive water surrounding the island chains which would in turn begin the process of healing the world.

Not to mention the number of pre-war ships that might've went aground there when the bombs dropped.
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>>1969914
>As well as the Inertial Drive. Just needs actions each.
This is the best news i heard all day.
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>>1970930
Perhaps we could assign Doctor Klein to lead the research project on the Inertial Drive. Seems like he needs some direction to properly recover.
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>>1971066
Exactly what i was thinking.
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>>1970245
Montana first, the Momons require convincing (unless they say yes right away, then ship em one first) while Montana is largely unpatrolled and filled with economically important cities.

1-5) Seems nice and I guarantee you we will face opposition everywhere we go. In case you missed it this is a quest where we dont get shit for free, likewise with the aforementioned locations. The only place that justifies this risk is Florida with NASA and the base which are one-of-a-kind as opposed to every other place. This is especially true since we are soon to breach the resource independance with the new fusion reactors and replicators.

>>1970930
>>1971066
>>1971082
Absolutely agreed!!
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>>1970245
>Caribbean

an excellent idea, especially if we invest some bio research actions to inprove the plants.

Wider root network, biological refinement of fissile material, easier processing...

>>1971066
this is a smart idea.

All these combined with taking over the baronies and alaska would give us a huge nation.
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>>1971120
Texas also is a justifiable risk since the only faction is a bunch of mutant plants.

plus, NASA command is in Houston.
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>>1971155
>Texas also is a justifiable risk since the only faction is a bunch of mutant plants.
I think you're kinda underestimating the mutant plants.
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>>1971155
The plants, which can infest and destroy tech, can form huge masses of fuck-you wood monsters and cover whole swathes of land. Also the implication that some humans are living and leading the things. Not really that pleasant compared to boring farmland with the occasional moving tank-city we can target and bomb to destroy vs an area-covering mass of murder-you.

Lets lay off that place until we can carpet bomb and have plenty plasma "flame"throwers.

Also, then a reason to take a look in Houston.
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>>1971179
>>1971183
our military needs a campaign to shake out the kinks before assaulting a thinking, tactically aware foe.

besides Diana had specimens at the nursery. meaning we can develop countermeasures like a defoliant
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>>1971183
Didnt the walls also start bleeding and the people driven crazy or something? I remeber some psych horror going on.
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>>1969699
What's the difference between a Omani-Constructor and a COnstructOr?
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>>1971286
With Montana we could use our great diplomacy to make grains with the owners of the tank-cities. Also it's closer to us, and we have a teleporter already set up.
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>>1971314
>Great diplomacy
Haha, good one.

>>1971307
The COnstructOr is based on the armored behemoth chassis, so it's probably better suited for combat?
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>>1971286
>our military needs a campaign to shake out the kinks before assaulting a thinking, tactically aware foe.
We can do that next turn, seeing as we need to take a break from building the Cold fusion reactor to let out resources stock up a bit.
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>>1971286
Agreed.

>>1971288
Psychic horror matters less for us, since we'd be relying on robots for the most part if not entirely.

>>1971435
Well we could apply our construction actions to getting started on the underground farms seeing as we never excavated them (I think) so that should be fairly resource cheap.

Or we could use them to salvage the Divide for more resources or something else, like perhaps just assisting our civilian population with their private growth?

This is before mentioning that we can always turn food into that medicine the NCR gave us and sell it to them for metal / Hexcrete.
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Also, we should see what Klein thinks of the Post-scarcity ideology our guys developed, he was the Chief of idea-ology.
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>>1971466
>Psychic horror matters less for us, since we'd be relying on robots for the most part if not entirely.
Psychic stuff still affects robots though, back in the flooded city our robots were being sapped out of power in the sewers, although i think it was discovered later that that was a mind trick and the robots were fine, but the point is the robots aren't invulnerable to Psykers.
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>>1971472
That was something...else. Something that if even close to what it was based off of, we'd be fucked entirely.
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>>1971486
>Something that if even close to what it was based off of, we'd be fucked entirely.
Ok i'm curious, what did you think it was?
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>>1971496
Weeping angel rip-off. OP confirmed it when I asked.
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>>1971502
So something that can only move when you look away.
If it's affected by Robotic observation we can just have a bunch of Assaultrons look at it while we slowly destroy it.
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>>1971467
I dont think he has the sociology or economics degree to really be qualified to weigh in on it.
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>>1971523
I'm pretty sure he has.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Klein
>Doctor Klein is a pre-War doctor and the chief/head researcher of logistical operations and ideology at Big MT.
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>>1971533
Logistics is different from sociology. Nor is it economics.
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>>1971533
>logistical operations
That's great, he'll help us with the transporting of supplies for things.
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>>1971540
>>1971547
>And ideology at Big MT.
How do you think he got to be the head researcher of Ideology if not by being good at it? He couldn't have relied on just his Logistics mastery to get the position.
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>>1971557
I was just commenting on his logistical skills. I'm sure he has a good sense of ideology.
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>>1971562
Ah, sorry.
But yea, he should be useful for getting things organized.
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>>1971557
I dobt think he researches logistics and ideology. Hes just incharge of it for the mountain, like making funding deals and acquisition contracts as well as saying the mountain will focuss on science X. Not research inot if Communism is a viable economic system.
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>>1971591
what he can do is make things run more smoothly.

put people to work on long term projects.

imorove the efficiency of our civ, and passove actions. he might even afford us a free passive action per turn just by keeping people busy
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>>1971512
Wouldn't work. They are immortal against all conventional weapons except theoretically if extremely weak which is unlikely, as that one was fully formed and they can survive off of most energy sources like radiation, electricity, time and it's related paradox's.

Ignoring the fact that any image of a angel (including drawings, paintings, statues (potentially however it is known they can make ordinary statues into more angels) pictures and videos) can, in turn, become an angel. Not to mention that if someone looks into the eye of an angel, they will slowly turn into one.

They are also human level intelligent and capable of breaking through solid steel walls.


Trust me, these are fucking nightmares to fight or even survive. I mean there are things that'd be worse to try and fight if they actually intended to fight us.
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>>1971737
>They are immortal against all conventional weapons
What kind of "Conventional weapons" are we talking here?
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>>1971737
Also what's their energy threshold? It's obvious they can benefit from an electric current and normal laser weapons but can they survive Sun-like temperatures?
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>>1971745
During the 33rd century, flocks of Weeping Angels swarmed human colony worlds and darkened the sunlight to feed on their population; worlds such as New Moscow were asked to take up arms against them. Some said it would not be possible to oppose such powerful creatures.

During an encounter in the 50th century against a single extremely weak and isolated angel, believed to potentially have been injured by a crash onto a planet the christian church (they got crusading again) sent roughly 100 soldiers. They failed to eliminate even a single angel after being caught in the middle of an ambush by multiple hundred angels scattered through the caverns they were taking to reach the angel, that had been waiting for roughly 300 years and were almost entirely starved.

Then there is the fact that, at the literal end of the universe's civilised existence, in the year 50 "squillion" rather than attempting to destroy even a single one, they have a giant "museum" where they exist under constant observation.

>>1971766
Yes. The only known example of angels being killed in massive numbers involved literally throwing them outside of the universe into a tear between realities. It should be noted that beings have previously came back from this place, so potentially they might return.


Only thing worse than these bastards is the vashta nerada but at least they ain't as much of a bunch of dicks.
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>>1971836
That doesn't answer my questions.
Also you said these are Rip-offs, so they won't have everything canon Dr. who weeping angels have, so it's not like all this lore you posted matters.
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>>1971836
Oh wait you did answer the Sun question, sorry.
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>>1971866
My point is that weeping angels ain't nothing to sniff at and to be frank you shouldn't expect the plant-control specialising psychics to suddenly pull some sorts of power leeching bullshit.
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>>1971878
>My point is that weeping angels ain't nothing to sniff at
I can agree to that but still, they're knock offs and we have a wide selection of technology to test against them, from plasma and sonic weapons to disintegration and portal shit.
>to be frank you shouldn't expect the plant-control specialising psychics to suddenly pull some sorts of power leeching bullshit.
But i do and i don't see a reason not to.
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>>1971899
>I can agree to that but still, they're knock offs and we have a wide selection of technology to test against them, from plasma and sonic weapons to disintegration and portal shit.
I say they were knock-offs because they weren't angel statues, not because there was any seeming reason they'd be weaker.

As to plasma, sonic or anything else working: unlikely. Again: at the literal height of human and universal civilisation they found it easier to just place them somewhere than to actually bother to kill them. They could throw them in the sun, into black holes, into any number of deadly places yet they don't because they wouldn't work.

>But i do and i don't see a reason not to.
Then you fail to understand how psychics generally work in Fallout. Specialising or only being able to do one or two things.
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>>1971954
>I say they were knock-offs because they weren't angel statues,not because there was any seeming reason they'd be weaker.
But they aren't angel statues, why would they have the same abilities as canon weeping angels?
>Again: at the literal height of human and universal civilisation they found it easier to just place them somewhere than to actually bother to kill them. They could throw them in the sun, into black holes, into any number of deadly places yet they don't because they wouldn't work.
Honestly mate i refuse to believe QM would add these in without severely downgrading them, i would be worried if they were actual angels but they aren't.
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>>1971973
>But they aren't angel statues, why would they have the same abilities as canon weeping angels?
Never said they did but we didn't see anything that would disprove it. We fired no shots on them, rather we collapsed the tunnel and hoped it would leave them isolated.

>Honestly mate i refuse to believe QM would add these in without severely downgrading them, i would be worried if they were actual angels but they aren't.
Mate my whole point since the beginning of this was that what we'd be facing in Texas would be small problems. You brought up the incident in the Sunken city and my whole point here was that it wasn't and isn't a comparable group or being.
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Qm probably brought in weeping angels as an interesting sidenote to satisfy tge wacky wasteland trait and for fun.

Unless we kick the hornets nest by going look for them we probably wont have to deal with them again.
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>>1971989
>Never said they did but we didn't see anything that would disprove it. We fired no shots on them, rather we collapsed the tunnel and hoped it would leave them isolated.
Fair enough.
>Mate my whole point since the beginning of this was that what we'd be facing in Texas would be small problems.
And i still disagree with that.
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>>1971998
And I understand you still disagree on that but my point stands that the likelihood of the entirely plant control focused psychics in Texas having even the slightest ability to interfere with robotics besides throwing plants at them is insanely low.

Fact is that psychics can generally only do one thing: Forecaster can see the future, Unity can share memories / senses / hive-mind stuff, beastmasters can control animals and the various humans exposed to FEV could do shit like control fire, light and so on but only one or two in any case.

The chance of the plant controlling psychics of Texas having the ability to do anything but control plants (and other plant related things like possibly controlling their growth / accelerating it) is incredibly unlikely in most cases and even if they did, when we assaulted our way to that vault in Texas we saw no sign of them so they are either far away or fairly rare. Not to mention that such powers require awareness of the target so they'd be within range of something like our artillery.
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>>1972025
>The chance of the plant controlling psychics of Texas having the ability to do anything but control plants (and other plant related things like possibly controlling their growth / accelerating it) is incredibly unlikely in most cases.
Didn't Cain describe seeing blood on the walls and hear his dead comrades try to coach him out? That at the very least points to the texan cultists having a illusionist psycher like what we experienced in the Divide tunnels.
>when we assaulted our way to that vault in Texas we saw no sign of them so they are either far away or fairly rare.
Wasn't that because they didn't expect us? When we got out of the vault shit was going down and we barely escaped.
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>>1972059
>Didn't Cain describe seeing blood on the walls and hear his dead comrades try to coach him out? That at the very least points to the texan cultists having a illusionist psycher like what we experienced in the Divide tunnels.
Eh, I can't really remember but to be frank if they had only a single one that is not that impressive. They could've gotten one by chance.

>Wasn't that because they didn't expect us? When we got out of the vault shit was going down and we barely escaped.
We were down there for a decent length of time talking and trying to fight that growing corruption. If there was any within a dozen miles I'd imagine their forest would've gotten them there with speed.
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we could talk to our psychics about it. AHS9 likely has at least a general idea where other powerful psychic forces are located.

But then I also want to talk to them about researching psychic powers.
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>>1972456
Well as much as I agree the simple fact is that without a large supply of psychics and some method to measure their potential we can't really control our development.


The only thing we know is that alien metal acts as an amplifier.
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>>1972468
well we need to do some slaving deals anyway
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>>1972738
Maybe wait a bit more. We don't have to woryy about appearances with the NCR anymore, which is good, but we do have the keep in mind the social cost that comes with bringing in a bunch of psychologically traumatized individuals. It hasn't been that long since we had the last batch.
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>>1972738
>>1972843
Not to mention we've got to build up credit / trade goods. Easiest solution to that I can think of would be more weapons, food / fuel and possibly more tunnels for them.
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>>1972864
We got a massive payout from the NCR for their guys, courtesy of them making bottlecaps not money anymore.
Probably have millions of it when the exchanged everyone's bottlecaps for dollars.
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>>1972948
Oh shit yeah I forgot about those. To be honest, we could also use those to purchase more steel and shit to build our fusion reactor while we are getting some more slaves.
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>>1972948
>>1972985
We also should make sure of that quickly, Since areas near NCR would see the supply of bottle caps increase thus reducing the buying power.

In the East Coast they would be too far away to hear or see the increase of bottle caps, so no worry over there yet.
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>>1973097
Except the NCR doesn't have any trading partners to the East. And the Legion uses Denarius

Unless they want to cripple the MLA economy by dumbing bottlecaps, which might not even work if the MLA is not even a free market.
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>>1973148
Montana is a prime market, and we could alway trade them supplies like weapons or medical drugs for more slaves.

Once we treat our current free slaves, have the houses build, and have a stable food and water supply we can get more. Since I don't want us to just cripple our food and water with such a increase of population.
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>>1973164
For us yes, but I don't think there would be much bottlecap devaluing as the NCR has no one to unload the caps on except us. The NCR can't reach Montanna to buy out everything with the money they don't use.
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>>1973164
>Once we treat our current free slaves, have the houses build, and have a stable food and water supply we can get more.
Aren't the houses already built?
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>>1973186
We should have the houses built.
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>>1973186
Yeah they already have houses.

We should gather more ex-slaves with our hero action next turn.

It's been a few months by this point, enough for the first batch to settle in.

They will act as a natural support group for all future ex-slaves as well, decreasing the magnitude of the transition to free American citizen.
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>>1973694
I do like buying the slaves and freeing them as population.
It's a good thing, morality and ethically, so the karma would be nice to have.
It also allows us to expand and build our cities up. Since most can work in construction or apply themselves in higher fields of knowledge.

I do think we need to expand the School, in the future. Since some of the free slaves could use some education. The food and water supply seems to be stable for now.
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>>1973708
Im all for helping people but doing things because it "feels nice" is the dumbest thing since the Tzar Tank. We can use them and we will buy more of them if they are useful but not for carmic reasons. Furthermore, they are shit at building and will go straight into either education or skilled labour training (engineering and overseeing).
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>>1973741
I like feeling nice
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>>1973756
Watch Disney. Frankly, the way things are going, its gonna get alot worse before it gets better.
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Bloody weekend due paper and homework.

Time to pick up where I left off.
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>>1973694
I think it takes more than a few months for people to really settle in after traumatic experiences, especially long term traumatic experiences. The ex slaves are probably still using a lot of psychological health resources and would for a good while. And we have limited doctors.
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>>1973874
And those are only a minority of the slaves. Really your doctors have it in hand.

The rest are adjusting fairly well and contributing to the human work force. Which is less than 10% of your total output since everything is robots and a few super geniuses but still.

Mostly people are in service and arts.
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>>1973875
They have things in hand now, but can they handle more?
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>>1973866
I know what you feel, just had an exam and spent 8 hours in the lab to top it off.

>>1973875
Thought things were more as >>1973874 describes but ok.

On the topic of people, if we funnel most, if not all, of the new arrivals into high-end engineering and sciences, how long would it take for them to be useful researchers (as in actually faster research or even extra or bonus research actions) or competent enough engineers to speed up the planning/overseeing of buildings (who does that anyway, is it all just ZAX and Miles)? Are the people even really useful outside services and culture or could we realistically carry the whole nation on the backs of ever-expanding computer banks and the few supergeniuses we have?
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>>1973892
funnelling all of them into two disciplines is really stupid.

test them via vitomatic to see where their strength is and go accordingly.

no sense training someone whose highest stat is endurance to be an engineer.
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>>1973919
This is what we call "reason". If they are an idiot we set them up in a cage fight for national TV or something. The point is that any and all intellect will be used by the state for advancement instead of letting it go to waste farming or somesuch nonsense.
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>>1973934
Considering the circumstances it would be a huge waste to put people in less than useful jobs just because they arent geniuses.

High PER? Sniper/investigation specialist

High END? Construction/Shock Trooper/Civilian Freight Loader

High Luck? Special training in card counting, mathematics, systems analysis, then we send them to Oddballs casino to break the bank.
Or make them a special operative.

High AGI? Gunslinger/Assasin/exotic dancer

Lots of options besides just scientist or engineer.
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>>1973954
>High PER? Sniper/investigation specialist
Sure

>>1973954
>High END? Construction/Shock Trooper/Civilian Freight Loader
Absolutely fucking not. We have robots that do twice the work in half the time and dont need to sleep, eat or shit. Add to that the precision and repeatability and a robot can easily outperform a man in any physical task, be it construction or freight work, which has to be one of the worst applications of human resource on the planet.

>>1973954
>High AGI? Gunslinger/Assasin/exotic dancer
Sure

>>1973954
>High Luck? Special training in card counting, mathematics, systems analysis, then we send them to Oddballs casino to break the bank.
>Or make them a special operative.
Sure, assuming they are useful.

The point is the same, if they are of intellectual value they will be assigned to intellectual tasks. This takes presedence over any other trait, since we can easily make robots that shoot, run and jump better than any soldier. What we cant yet reproduce is the ingenuity requiered in science and the drive to figure out solutions to problems. When we have 50 ZAXs to throw around I will happily let everyone do whatever but until we reach that point we have need of these human resources. Especially intellectual ones.
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>>1973954
Sending them to New Reno implies we have an arrangement for holidays in the NCR which we .
Also exotic dancer? Is that a government approved job? And why agility?
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>>1973969
He was trying to prove a point, which I agree with to an extent but yeah, we really have to be smart about using our people and making sure they themselves are smart and useful.
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Also, something that occurred to me: when we last made our implants for our soldiers we had to replicate them because of how high a quality they were and everything. With a non-fissile replication system, we could outfit our entire population with ease given the nature of the implants as rather small things.
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>>1973974
Right you are! Also, with the replicators ability to go atom-by-atom we can incorporate nanolevel structures like carbon tubes, piezoelectric coatings and maybe even passive stealth systems with ease. Best thing? Its just as fast as regular! We can literally kit out our entire population, all our bots and structures with nanoscale improvements at the same cost as making regular bots and buildings!

Just have to get the Big replicator going....
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>>1973972
Yeah. In theory its all hood. But that neglects the fact that people might not want to do what we say is best for them. What do we do about the geniuses who dont want to do intellectual work? The eagled eyed who want to go into music?
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>>1973980
While I believe there is always something people want and we can provide (use vices and other interests to promote work in a field) if all else fails and the individual is valuable enough we can always do some mental touch-ups. Light as not to arouse suspicion but useful so he decides he wants to work at our designated field after all.
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>>1973993
No.
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>>1973995
Because "morally ambiguous"? Or "carmic balance"?
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>>1973993
No. We shall not.
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>>1973998
Because risk-reward analysis.

It takes one person to object and everything goes to shit because that is BRAINWASHING CITIZENS. People find out, object, were overthrown, or we kill them all, both of which is not ideal.
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>>1973998
Mate that is so far from morally ambiguous that I can say with good certainty that most people would call it a crime against humanity and the rest would call it a crime against nature.

>>1974000
That too.

Fact is that we can justify most things: this I can't see any reasonably acceptable justification besides "it was for the greater good" but I'll be honest and say that unless the person is a Dr 0 level genius they aren't going to make that much of a difference and should thus be left alone.
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>>1974000
We have done it before, we know it works and it has blatantly obvious benefits. I am not saying make them scream patriotism or any other drastic things, that raises suspicion, but do small inconspicuous touchups during medical procedures, for example (a dude is smart and is getting implants but doesnt want to do science so we stick in the implants and also make him re-evaluate science as a goal alongside it).

Its not some diabolical moustache-twirling plan to be evil. Its a genuine tool to direct developement in our nation towards a common goal. besides, if we are doing the downloaded education route you run exactly into the same problem and that is a universally good thing.
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>>1974006
>Mate that is so far from morally ambiguous that I can say with good certainty that most people would call it a crime against humanity and the rest would call it a crime against nature.
See, >>1974000 his argument I can understand and am sympathetic to. This shit is just your made-up feely-goody nonsense.

Also, with a population of 400, a single halway decent researcher is a blessing.
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>>1974009
You mean the implant in Diana where she actively is aware of the implant? People going, "something is in my brain messing with my thoughts" gets people very concerned. They go to the doctor, and wow, there is unexplained metal and fresh surgery scars. Opening up a conspiracy that brings everything down.

Its also immoral as fuck. And moral arguments can serve as justification of law and policy.
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>>1974014
I was referring to the NCR soldiers who walked off none the wiser after having all their brains examined, their childhood memories revisited and their memory wiped. Seems to work pretty well to me. The BioAI is another example of how this is useful, seeing as she is fine with it, likes us already and does as she is told (vs all the whitknights whod have "let her be" and, as QM confirmed, basically hand it over to the BoS; I am very glad the few rational anons came to understand that it was necessary and not some wholly evil nonsense).

This morality over everything is just not going to work out. You have seen it happen many times, where the obvious option is not the goody goody option (which often is the shit end of the stick, in fact - eg it would be moral to help the NCR kill the MLA to stop their slaving ways but that would be the dumbest move for us).
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>>1974000
we're not brainwashing American citizens
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>>1974011
>This shit is just your made-up feely-goody nonsense.
If you read the next section down in that post, you'd find I explained it in greater detail but why would I expect you to when you clearly are going to bring this idea up at every chance you get like the insane bastard you are.

>Also, with a population of 400, a single halway decent researcher is a blessing.
No, not really. Fact is these days we rely on our ZAX's for most research.

>>1974019
Mate, I was one of the people in favour of doing that to Diana yet I won't support you here. Because if nothing else I won't do that to my own citizens. Because if nothing else, I must draw the line at some point and I see no reason that this isn't the place to start.
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>>1974019
That was looking through what was inside and deleting some stuff, not rewritting what was there and changing their opinions.

>>1974021
Im not for it. Im just giving an argument not to do it that isnt "its a terrible thing to do" because mind staple anon is completely amoral, occasionally bordering on immoral.
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>>1974022
So again, it boils down to calling names and reverting to "muh morality". The fact is that this works. It is tested and proven in the field and a major asset for us. Not only for educating citicens in days rather than years and creating sleeper cells but re-educating criminals and dissidents, enemies of the state and blatantly hostile men on the other side of the border. It is a godsend (one of many) that people are not willing to use because it clashes with their sense of self and their percieved notion of good and bad. In a world where a raider will fuck you up because he thinks itd make for a nice story I have no problems rewriting some memories and goals.

As to the researcher point, a few good men can work miracles. If we have a few dozen of them we can really speed up our development. In case you missed it, whenever we have significally boosted our capabilities we have gained extra research. What do you think will happen when we finally get a real University going? Also, if the people dont matter, why the fuck are we buying them? Just to pay for their upkeep? Please.
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>>1965421
>>BIO RESEARCH
>FEV research
Before you assign Diana to work on her plants, someone else shows up.

Dr. Klein and Dr. Borous.

>Dr. Klein
"I couldn't stand being in the house a microsecond more. Doing. . .nothing! Nothing but think about all the time, wasted, in that cursed mental recursion loop. All the while. . .all the while our nation burned to ash.

The country I spent my whole life dedicated to. BigMT was the forefront of American research and let no House or CIT tell you anything else! Our work was dedicated winning the War. And as far as I'm concerned, that War is still going on. The enemies might have changed, and we might have . . .Chinese Communists living in an alien spaceship as allies, but by Heisenberg we will make this nation great again. I won't see any NCR wipe us out like they did the rest of the Government! We'll wipe them out instead!"

>Dr Borous
"I'm here because I think I've had enough fun bonding with Gabe for now, and would like to return to some science!"

>Dr Klein
"Now, I hear it you need a scientist capable of doing FEV research. For that, you can turn to Dr. Borous. He would have joined the FEV project had the government not decided his talent was better vested here."

>Dr Borous
"They didn't allow animals at Base M. Said it was a contagion risk."

>Dr Klein
"And as for time, which is always the limited resource, I can promise effective FEV strains within half a year or less. That is, if you follow my timeline and provide me the resources I need. Anything I lack will only amount to more wasted time, and I will have none of that."

>What say?
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>>1974025
Ah, my apologies, I thought you were arguing for it
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>>1974033
FEV strains that do what?
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>>1974033
Klein, you are smart enough to know that we have limited resources, but we do recognize the importance of the FEV research, so within wide reason, you will get what you need.
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>>1974032
Fuck it, I've argued enough against you now and in past. I can't be bothered actually trying to convince you you are wrong because I've got shit to do.

Let it be known, that I will always be against this but in cases like Diana I might relent for the benefits. So general rule: if it ain't our citizens and it does have a provable benefit without significant risk to our popularity? I'm in favour.
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>>1971467
>Klein
"I'm content with the work you and your Hubologists have done on that. Though I think their religion is nothing but a bunch of psudo-science crocs interested in power and influence, their organization shows promise. So long as they continue to keep the civilian populace pacified and separate the actual intelligence I am pleased. There are a few promising scientists among them at least.

As far as I'm concerned let them do as they please so long as the civilian populace no longer interferes with our work from their paltry "ethical commities" and "civil probes". Bah! Keeping BigMT from public eyes and granting us express presidential authority to perform necessary research no matter the need for specimens or cost was one of the better choices made before the War.

I'm glad you have no such qualm in regards to necessary costs for vital research, Mr. Executor."
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>>1974038
But we don't have limitless resources.
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>>1974037
>Klein
"Whatever you need. A vaccine for Ghoulism. Or an aesthetic maintenance gene for those FEV infected mutants you are . . .'allied' with.

Or better still, weapons we can use against this NCR."
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>>1974046
Fair enough.

>>1974047
>I'm glad you have no such qualm in regards to necessary costs for vital research, Mr. Executor."
Excellent.

Ask him about the topic of Inertial Drives and Alien tech in general. Does he have any worthwhile ideas on that or would he rather FEV?
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>>1974038
>>1974050
>Klein
"I have more degrees on Logistics than you do fingers. I know the meaning of limited resources. I won't ask what we can't have, but what I can't stand is willful and unnecessary constraints."
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>>1974051
>Or better still, weapons we can use against this NCR."
Yes please. First, what about taking out their food supply? Brahmin infertility? Crop failures? Salient purple eating bacteria?
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>>1974051
Did we introduce them to Unity? She'd want to participate in any FEV research.

AAlso, name the boy Alex (none of our children are named like that, right?)
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>>1974055
Im in love...
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>>1974058
What boy?
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>>1974057
>Klein
"Excellent ideas. Dr. Borous?"

>Dr Borous
"Oh yes. I can't believe you guys sterilized my Toxin's Plant. . .my precious viral samples! But I suppose it's always a good time to develop new ones."

>>1974058
No Alex yet.
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Honestly, we should have just started the game with the Think Tank and gone from there. All the crazy science bullshit! Gets me giddy inside.

More resources to the Think Tank. Also, give Mobius a body too.
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>>1974047
I mean, civil probes and watch dogs exist for a reason. You wont be getting free reign to do what you wish. And limitations encourages ingenuity.
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>>1974060
Unity is pregnant with a boy. We are yet to name him
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>>1974071
Ah. That boy. We also have the other 5 kids.
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>>1974062
QM Can we give'm each a planet when we enter spaceeee?
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Guys, are we dead set on the "heading to Hawaii" part of the plan? It just seems like it will go wrong and I feel we have other things to be taking care of as of this moment in time.
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>>1974113
Honestly, doing hero quests in Hawaii is one of the better options. What do you propose?
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>>1974113
Anon. It's a fucking race against the NCR. We need it and cannot keep dicking the fuck around
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>>1974114
Well there's the slaves from the MLA, the Boulder dome and Montana as a whole.

>>1974116
So because it's a race against time, we should clearly risk two of our most valuable assets?
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>>1974122
The UFO which is best tasked for this and our strongest HERO, best tasked for this?

Your right. We should just let the NCR have it all because it might be bad
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>>1974116
>>1974123
To be honest, we have no idea if the NCR are even capable of expanding to Hawaii, or even want to.

I say lets focus on Montana right now, make a doctrine for colonizing far away places, then we do it
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>>1974122
save the next round of slaves for after we decode the NCR files.

doesnt one of our teleport capabilities simply pop us over to the destination no receiving station required?

if so porting over to Hawaii would be the best travel option. when we are done call in the ufo to pick us up
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>>1974126
The battleship can reach around the global anon and it was sea worthy. Secure a beach head and come back worse case
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>>1974128
We know it could float around the coast, not go halfway across the Pacific and survive. I agree with securing a beach head, but we need an actual plan and supplies set aside
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>>1974122
Slaves are a thing we can do on the side that in no way hinders our other operations. Montana already has Behemoths on the way and we can do little until they arrive. I will give you that the Dome in interesting but I dont see it being less deadly or more valuable than Hawaii. Ergo, we might as well do it before the NCR do. God knows we need the edge.

And yes, we should, considering these are the best assets for the job.

>>1974126
They know about the C&C Generals tech as well, likely more than we. This means they both know about the base on Hawaii and have the means to get there. Speed is of the essence, especially since we dont need to ferry troops, just fly in a portal.
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>>1974131
>We know it could float around the coast, not go halfway across the Pacific and survive.
We have literally seen nothing about it. It could just as well do the trip to Hawaii as far as we know, considering it is seaworthy. We can not rule out that option. Meaning we are in quite the hurry, considering NCRs "Phase 2".
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>>1974145
We dont actually know about phase 2 though. We dont even know if niner is dead.
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>>1974147
WW2 tanks that kick the ass of the 2 enemies. 1 division of supertanks. "Wait until we deploy phase 2".

Youre gonna have a bad time.
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>>1974123
The Courier ain't a great pilot. If anything you should send Riddick or that one pilot from the Enclave we have.

Hell, if you are so willing to throw away valuable assets in a suicide mission: it can carry six people plus the pilot. Go nuts.

>>1974127
>save the next round of slaves for after we decode the NCR files.
Did we get those? I thought we needed to decide if we are going with the MLA-Legion or the NCR before we'd get those.

>doesnt one of our teleport capabilities simply pop us over to the destination no receiving station required?
Nope, it requires targeting data or something I think. It's the only explanation I can give for why you can't teleport to more than one place with it in the game but I could be wrong, you'd need to ask OP.

>if so porting over to Hawaii would be the best travel option. when we are done call in the ufo to pick us up
That still risks getting the UFO shot down.

>>1974131
This, fact is that training the mentality and skills needed to actually survive the isolation of long sea voyages and shit would take months at least. Not to mention getting it fuelled, restored and it's stocks of ammo and such filled.

Even then they'd need to decide that it was worth risking the battleship with that. Rather than deploying it to their borders in the north or south to fight the Legion.

>>1974141
>Slaves are a thing we can do on the side that in no way hinders our other operations.
Except we'd want to be there. Given we are the best trader we have and most of our people would have moral objections to doing it.

>Montana already has Behemoths on the way and we can do little until they arrive.
Ignoring scouting out towns, eliminating threats, locating power sources / salvage and so on.

>I will give you that the Dome in interesting but I dont see it being less deadly or more valuable than Hawaii. Ergo, we might as well do it before the NCR do.
The Dome has no threat to us: the deadly disease present there we have a cure for and the surrounding area only contains ghouls. It isn't a question of if it is less valuable but rather it being far easier to secure.

>God knows we need the edge.
To be fair we have our edge we just need time.

>>1974147
Actually we know he is alive, we talked to him after the battle.
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>>1974147
why woukd niner being dead matyer one way or the other?

phase 2 is clearly a next level fighting force being developed by the NCR in keeping with their doctrine of "hold the line or advance while our scientists and industry build better armies"
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>>1974163
>Except we'd want to be there. Given we are the best trader we have and most of our people would have moral objections to doing it.
We are in fact not the best, the cockroaches and companions being that. ALso, they had no problem with it last time plus we know have more cash to throw around.

>>1974163
>Ignoring scouting out towns, eliminating threats, locating power sources / salvage and so on.
All meaningless until we can use them ergo until the behemoths get there.

>>1974163
>The Dome has no threat to us: the deadly disease present there we have a cure for and the surrounding area only contains ghouls. It isn't a question of if it is less valuable but rather it being far easier to secure.
When has it EVER been as easy as "go and take"? I guarantee you there is something there we have to deal with and its not going to be quick or easy.

>>1974163
>To be fair we have our edge we just need time.
The fusion plant takes time an the replicator on top of that. Meanwhile, we can bring the warfactory online by going to Hawaii.

Again, the hero quests are something we can use to great effect while our other assets are quite linear in growth.
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>>1974180
>All meaningless
Is this what I think it means?
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>>1974182
?
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>>1974155
Yeah, OOC we know phase 2 is going down. But in game we dont.

>>1974163
My mistake. Forgot about that.
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>>1974192
Fair enough. IC we can still speculate that they have advanced tech hidden away, if not an entire army.
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>>1974185
Did you say that intel was meaningless or did I just misunderstand it
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>>1974194
Im saying we cant make use of it until we get the behemoths online and moving. Meaning its not a priority for two months at least. Furthermore, SPI is better suited for scouting (hence the desire for passive espionage).
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>>1974180
>We are in fact not the best, the cockroaches and companions being that.
Yeah and the cockroaches can't speak English (I think) and our companions are generally moral people.

>ALso, they had no problem with it last time plus we know have more cash to throw around.
And? We want to get the most bang for our bottlecap.

>All meaningless until we can use them ergo until the behemoths get there.
True but having these places identified and cleared means they can move in and make use of them immediately.

>When has it EVER been as easy as "go and take"? I guarantee you there is something there we have to deal with and its not going to be quick or easy.
Potentially but in lore there is NOTHING that could threaten us in the region as it is too irradiated for humans.

>The fusion plant takes time an the replicator on top of that. Meanwhile, we can bring the warfactory online by going to Hawaii.
True.

>Again, the hero quests are something we can use to great effect while our other assets are quite linear in growth.
Eh, I'd disagree. We're approaching the point of exponential growth with the replicators and shit.
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>>1974199
Just because we can't act on all the intel doesn't mean it's not important. I can't even imagine where you're reasoning is coming from. We have the best spybot in the world and we aren't gonna use it?
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>>1974209
I just want to add that too irradiated for humans is not too irradiated for giant monsters. Im fairly certain we have a giant monster in the divide still.
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>>1974222
No giant monsters are mentioned in the lore, even though there were frequent patrols by the people living within the dome.
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>>1974225
Giant monster, many small monsters, stealthy monsters.

Point is, there cab still be threats out there. Also depending on how long ago the lore was looking at the dome, things could have changed.
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>>1974236
>Giant monster, many small monsters, stealthy monsters.
None exist, none exist and none exist. They had fire fights with feral ghouls and nothing else.

>Point is, there cab still be threats out there.
My point is that unless OP is willing to diverge massively from the lore regarding the dome and it's surroundings it is a fairly safe place.

>Also depending on how long ago the lore was looking at the dome, things could have changed.
True but to be entirely honest I still say that we should secure the dome first. It's safer than Hawaii and doesn't exactly cost many resources while securing us an example of a environmentally sealed "space colony" equipped with some of the best of pre-war technology including a ZAX.
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for my two caps we should either spend our hero action starting on the Baronies, or Hawaii.

The baronies are somewhat simple. use our truckload of caps to set ourselves up as a Baron in preperation for a take over. then run around to all the other Barons and Baroness showcasing what we have to offer, using our 10 charisma, and guaging their reactions.

kill the intractable, bribe the bribable, ally with the decent.

Hawaii is another matter.

assuming their weapons wont fire through the planet we should come in at an altitude of 3,500 ft. we won't be visible at all for the majority of the flight. At approx. 100 miles out we angle downward towards the horizon.

staying 100 ft above the waterline we enter their effective range of fire about 27-40 miles out. the lower we are willing to fly the closer we can get.

this is of course assuming their guns are about 500 ft above sea level.

if however they have installed a rail gun on the highest point in Hawaii it will have an elevation of 13,800 ft.

meaning we will be skimming water at 143 miles out and need to power forward to reach land.

however since it is no doubt an anti air installation it is possible that it will have a very limited negative arc of fire and we can quickly pass through it before they can target us.

hope that was helpful.
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>>1974252
You forget the possibility of anti-ship guns, missiles and automated aircraft.
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>>1974209
>Yeah and the cockroaches can't speak English (I think) and our companions are generally moral people.
They had translators last time and they did the haggling, might as well do it this time.

>>1974209
>And? We want to get the most bang for our bottlecap.
And an increase of 10% is nothing to us now. We use the Courier for better things.

>>1974209
>Potentially but in lore there is NOTHING that could threaten us in the region as it is too irradiated for humans.
Again, in lore we would have wiped the slate clean with BigMT but not in this quest. Also moonmen, NCR nazis and Cthulhu.

>>1974209
>Eh, I'd disagree. We're approaching the point of exponential growth with the replicators and shit.
Not for a while yet. I dont see QM giving it to us with only one replicator and large fusion reactor. If he does, great. If not, we should be prepared to build a few dozen more.

>>1974214
We are talking about the Courier. SPI can do its espionage thing there very well, in fact I want it to when we turn our full attention there.

>>1974245
Considering the colossus living in our Divide lake, I can see a few bad things in or near the Dome. We can send SPI to scout it but I wouldnt be surprised if we have to spend a nice while prying the thing open. Although the ZAX does sound mighty nice.
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>>1974252
Honestly, I agree with your assessment. The caps can really give us a leg up in the Baronies even without the behemoths. Might be worthwhile. Although, again, it is important we claim Hawaii before the NCR since they cant really get to Montana yet and the Legion is not that active there. Montana can wait a turn. Hawaii might not.
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>>1974263
>They had translators last time and they did the haggling, might as well do it this time.
Okay I'll concede this point.

>And an increase of 10% is nothing to us now. We use the Courier for better things.
10% more is huge since that could be literal tonnes of steel and fissile to enable us to continue building our cold fusion reactor and other such things.

>Again, in lore we would have wiped the slate clean with BigMT but not in this quest.
To be fair that is untrue since big mt lacks any ability to actual make shit but I know what you mean.

>Also moonmen, NCR nazis and Cthulhu.
One of these is bullshit you have no proof of, another is something is already featured in the lore and the third is a logical consequence of our actions.

>Not for a while yet. I dont see QM giving it to us with only one replicator and large fusion reactor. If he does, great. If not, we should be prepared to build a few dozen more.
Yeah and? My point is that at this point we are approaching the point whereby the Courier is less and less important and our actual industry is more important.

>>1974270
I'd point out to you that it has been quite a few turns since we saw the NCR battleship. If their intent was to go to Hawaii and it was as easy as you all believe then they'd have done it by now.
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>>1974252
Probably wont be as simple as walking in and declaring ourselves a baron even with all the caps we have. The current barons probably have a delicate balance of power and would fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo.
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>>1974260
no, I am trying to plot a course that leaves us invisible until the absolute last second.

the worst case scenario is that we clip waves at 144 miles out.

for various reasons its unlikely that their major AA is at the talkest point so we will likely be undetected for miles past the horizon point.

a height of 500 ft above sea level seems reasonable for an approach. Especially given the speed the scout craft moves at.
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>>1974278
Dude, you are missing the point and argueing about semantics. The point is that the Courier is better used for high risk high reward missions we could otherwise not undertake so easily. The fact that we lose out 50k caps on a 500k deal when we have 5 mil in the bank is a non-issue and QM has shown a tendencie to put obstacles in our way regardless of whether itd make sense in a strictly Fallout setting (C&C base in the Divide, for example). That the NCR could invade Hawaii seems pretty reasonable to me. Doesnt it to you?
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>>1974292
When they have a war going on with the NCR and MLA? And how far Hawaii is? Not really...
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>>1974286
noone fights to maintain a status quo. all of them would fight to improve themselves likely at the expense of the others. or us.

but by using the caps we can make a large enough splash that the weaker barons see an opportunity to advance by allying with us.
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>>1974294
With them wanting a leg up on the legion thrugh high-tech production means and the battleship having no high-value targets to bomb (legion being mostly agrarian and spread out) what do they use it on? Boomer Town already provides a lot of artillery on the mainland so no real reason to keep it for that.

Seems reasonable? Disagree?
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>>1974315
I'm pretty sure that the Battleship has been shelling armies. I can't find the exact the spot it was posted at, but it was something about it's guns booming. As I said earlier though, we have no idea if that thing is even sea worthy, and like >>1974163 said, a lot of things go into planning a very long sea trip
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>>1974288
You are also forgetting about over-the-horizon radar systems which would render flying in low essentially pointless unless you were hugging the waves.

>>1974292
>The point is that the Courier is better used for high risk high reward missions we could otherwise not undertake so easily.
True but as I've stated already there are better pilots than him and I feel we should make use of them too if we are going to risk our valuable scoutship and the courier too.

>The fact that we lose out 50k caps on a 500k deal when we have 5 mil in the bank is a non-issue
Not really since that is still a loss of efficiency: something that we need to maximise.

>QM has shown a tendency to put obstacles in our way regardless of whether it'd make sense in a strictly Fallout setting (C&C base in the Divide, for example).
Except we could've left that base alone and nothing would've came from it. So it wasn't an obstacle.

>That the NCR could invade Hawaii seems pretty reasonable to me. Doesn't it to you?
Not really. A single battleship against a fortified island chain or possibly just a single base filled with the literal cutting edge of pre-war technology: I feel they might just be outmatched.

But hey, I'm in the minority so you feel free to fly into whatever fresh hell awaits us for whatever benefits we might grab.
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>>1974299
Maybe. But if they think that were going to disrupt the system, then the status quo become very appealing as it leaves them in charge. We will never be able to be a baron unless there is a king who we can basically buy the title off of. But if its just barons, then they would resist us for being a foreigner.
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>>1974294
we know that the NCR likely has access to pre war facilities.

their facilities would also refrence the Hawaiian command base.

Yaunkers (correctly) would assume that the command base has prewar resources, plans, and weapons.

Yaunkers is also avidly persuing pre war tech and imitating historical tactics. This is exactly the type of thing he would do. Especially since Hawaii is the only command center the NCR can easily access.

likely the command center is still operational or manned, but we will see
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>>1974322
Even if it was shooting something prior to now, the fronts have shifted so far inland, there is nothing on the Legion coast worth bombing and the Hawaii base is a direct and huge boon if you want to get hightech tanks rolling.

Do you agree that the NCR wants Hawaii for its C&C base?

Furthermore, since we havent been onboard the thing we dont know either way if it can do the trip or not. Im betting it can, considering it is seaworthy enough to sail the coast, meaning it has been worked on (they would probably fix it further when they learned about Hawaii).

Lastly, for a nation as big as the NCR, sending a ship, even a battleship, that far is not that big a deal. Especially considering that if it sails the coast it already has to have most of the supplies on board. Also consider this is a powered vessle so it travels relatively quick.
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>>1974330
>have shifted so far inland
Isn't the enemy like 50 miles from the capitol?

Anyway, I have already agreed the NCR wants the base, it's if they can afford to take it, and if we have a plan. I don't want to just fly over there and hope for the best.
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>>1974323
>True but as I've stated already there are better pilots than him and I feel we should make use of them too if we are going to risk our valuable scoutship and the courier too.
That is fine. We can also take Riddick and Caine for extra backup.

>>1974323
>Not really since that is still a loss of efficiency: something that we need to maximise.
We can and should but its not a tragedy if we dont.

>>1974323
>Except we could've left that base alone and nothing would've came from it. So it wasn't an obstacle.
And then we would have gained nothing. This is exactly what I fear is going on with the Dome.

>>1974323
>Not really. A single battleship against a fortified island chain or possibly just a single base filled with the literal cutting edge of pre-war technology: I feel they might just be outmatched.
They have air drones and other various high tech. They might not win but they will not let it stay there just like that.

This anon has it correct: >>1974327
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>>1974335
The capitol itself is some 100 miles inland as well. No way for the naval cannons to reach it.

And yes, we must go about this carefully but we have to do it as soon as possible.
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>>1974343
>as soon as possible
The NCR wants Hawaii, we can safely assume this, but the resources to not only scout but probably assault an old military island would be huge. We have some time to get prepared
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>>1974339
>That is fine. We can also take Riddick and Caine for extra backup.
Fine then. I still say this is going to get them all killed.

>We can and should but its not a tragedy if we dont.
It is when the amount of resources we could potentially gain might dwarf our income from the Divide.

>And then we would have gained nothing. This is exactly what I fear is going on with the Dome.
I don't follow, what are you saying?

>They have air drones and other various high tech. They might not win but they will not let it stay there just like that.
Yeah but after they lose their sole military ship in this initial assault how in the hell are they going to project force against Hawaii? And even considering all their high tech things they'd be unable to predict what this general would be bringing to the table. Fact is that this command base in theory has the ability to fire the particle cannon which could core their ship in a moment. Then who knows what else they or we'd be facing.
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>>1974349
Likely the NCR has to build landing craft, train marines, build corvettes abd destroyers to support.

A naval invasion is a big thing. A single battleship is not capable of doing that. Probably cant even hold the necessary soldiers.
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>>1974351
>I don't follow, what are you saying?
The base was something we didnt have to do but it had goodies inside we wanted, protected by the defenses. I guarantee you the Dome is a similar setup. What defenses or obstacles I dont know but it wont be as simple as burning a few ghouls.

>>1974351
>Yeah but after they lose their sole military ship in this initial assault how in the hell are they going to project force against Hawaii? And even considering all their high tech things they'd be unable to predict what this general would be bringing to the table. Fact is that this command base in theory has the ability to fire the particle cannon which could core their ship in a moment. Then who knows what else they or we'd be facing.
I agree with >>1974358 but you have to take into account we have not seen much of the NCR navy and only saw that ship once. This doesnt mean the NCR also has a death fleet somewhere (QM, dont you do it!) but we cant discount additional assets. The point is they are very much capable of manning an assault. How successfull we dont know but we cant really rule anything out. What we can do is throw our own hat in the ring.
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>>1974358
they dont need to invade Hawaii anon, they just need to seize one base.

and since they are using an American warship instead of an Alien landing craft there is every possibility that whatever AI or military controls the base will allow them access without firing on them.
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>>1974373
>will allow them access without firing on them
thats very wishful thinking but silly thinking

Seizing one base and holding it against whatever else is on the island it going to be a feat
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>>1974379
Dude, again with this. You cant discount it. It may be very unlikely but maybe they found some IFF devices in their war factory. Whatever. We cant discount any shenanigans because WE cant do it.
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>>1974381
We can't discount that the NCR has some OP device that'll give them the base, but we can't discount that the NCR is gonna attack it in the next months or even years, so all I'm saying is we have time
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>>1974373
That probably wont happen. America probably has protections that include possible hijackings, and so access requires a code from the captains.

Likely it ends up a slugging match between the ship and the shore.
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>>1974386
As you say, may be years, could be months. All Im saying is get a portal there and establish a foothold. We cant wage a surface war anyway, maybe drillers but thats about it. Mainly making sure we are there first, we know whats going on and we can take advantage of the situation if the NCR DOES decide to take a bite of the island.
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>>1974368
>The base was something we didnt have to do but it had goodies inside we wanted, protected by the defenses. I guarantee you the Dome is a similar setup. What defenses or obstacles I dont know but it wont be as simple as burning a few ghouls.
Now that I doubt because as I have stated there were no obstacles within reason to experience. If anything I expect it to be more like the situation with Diana.

>I agree with >>1974358 but you have to take into account we have not seen much of the NCR navy and only saw that ship once. This doesn't mean the NCR also has a death fleet somewhere (QM, dont you do it!) but we cant discount additional assets. The point is they are very much capable of manning an assault. How successful we dont know but we cant really rule anything out. What we can do is throw our own hat in the ring.
So your logic is that, because the NCR might currently be able to afford a invasion into the potentially heavily fortified island chain of Hawaii, we must throw valuable resources into a similar bid without any scouting, back up plans, reinforcements or expendability in terms of the assets we are sending? All in the vague hope that we will prevent the NCR from seizing that military base in the middle of the potentially death spewing island chain?

Fuck it. I'm not going to change your mind clearly but I want it on record that I was against this from the beginning and that I tried to convince you to be more careful.

>>1974373
>>1974381
Ignoring the fact that if IFF devices would save us from the automated defences then surely we'd have noticed something of the sort when we were inspecting the automated weapons and the designs the base allows us to produce? Or how about the fact these are two entirely separate generals in charge of different theatres so their codes and such would most likely be different?


Again though, I've gave up trying to convince you how insane this is. So just ignore me.
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>>1974393
But we still haven't even set up a foothold in montana. We need to have a set amount of resources, and some prior scouting. Also, I don't see why we couldn't wage a below-surface fight, as submersible bots are easy to make.
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>>1974393
>>1974398
Just to interject, we could drop a behemoth replicator into the ocean a fair distance off the coast and have it replicate and travel to the island.
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>>1974387
it doesnt matter what the NCR has. Yaunkers sent the ship, probably to Hawaii. Therefore Yaunkers believes they have a shot at getting the command base.

And even if its only a .1% chance we CANNOT allow them that advantage.

Especially since the command base is linked to ALL the Sub-Bases including the Divide. The last thing we need is the Divide war base suddenly shitting out tons of automated tanks in our back yard.

and since we have to wait on the Montana project I say we send a Companion (or several) up to the Baronies to prepare them for the glorious arrival of Baron Six (especially the women). While we head over and deal with Hawaii.
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>>1974398
We should have a base set up in Montana already (some old military one). We leave the scouting to SPI (far better at it than the Courier) and do something useful ourselves while the behemoths arrive.

You mean submarines or drillers? Montana or Hawaii? If subs in Hawaii I dont think they are that useful vs land fortifications. Drillers on Hawaii are the preferred plan since it worked well the last time. If in Montana, i fear the distances are too big for random driller deployment, targeted is a good idea.

>>1974400
Also a possibility, although the sea is a danger in itself and we must be sure the replicator can blow itself up in a secure and reliable way if need be.
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>>1974404
I can get behind this. About time we use our companions.
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>>1974408
We have found an old military base, but nothing added to it. We wanted to send through vehicles, but we haven't even done that yet
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>>1974421
Then, even more, we need the behemoths there until we can get the show on the road.
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>>1974421
We added a teleporter and a some sentries.
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>>1965421
>>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
>Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>Dr. 0
"Hmmm, not bad. . .but its a bit. . ."

>Klein
"Inefficient. And I should know. I did help build the breeder reactor beneath BigMT.

Here, take a look at some of my modified designs. We can build this much faster."

>The Think Tank have reduced the amount of turns needed to build the Fusion Reactor and increased theoretical output
>Construction has been sped up
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>>1974915
I love the think tank so much.

Qm, what are their thoughts on the government / nation weve founded compared to Old America?
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>>1974915
OP have some Propaganda art for this. I know it's shit.
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>>1974927
>Dr 0
"Memories still a bit foggy on our past lives. . .I still can't remember my real name, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't 0 now that I think of it.

So. . .you'r basically a dictator right? But a good one from what I've seen. And if what a lot of the people say is true there's plenty of personal freedom here. Add to that burgers, fries, milkshakes and all you're missing are the green lawns and drive in theaters."

>Klein
"It's American in spirit, and that's what counts. I do have a degree in Americanology after all."
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>>1974950
That's actually great, the dude on the left even looks like a Hub.
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>>1974972
I don't know about that. Looks like old Lenin to me.
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>>1974972
I...I have more...
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>>1974980
There is good reason for that...
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>>1974984
Yeah, I figured. Looks very, Soviet.
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>>1974981
Looks good man!
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Can Propaganda anon post more propaganda with robots? I really liked that one.
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>>1974970
>So. . .you'r basically a dictator right? But a good one from what I've seen.
We Huey long now bois
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>>1974989
>Long's Share Our Wealth plan was established in 1934 under the motto "Every Man a King,"
Oh man, that's the motto i came up with for our book.
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>>1974985
To be fair they've got some good propaganda works. Also some Chinese ones too but they are for actions about fusing our societies like the attached one.

>>1974988
I think you mean the other guy that posted the thing with the robots from Chappie being built. I don't have that image but I do have one or two similar ones...

>>1974989
>>1974996
Jesus this can't just be a coincidence right?
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>>1974989
>Huey long
When you set out for an American Renwal and end up a Communist Dictator.
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>>1975000
To be honest our entire thing is kinda like communist / socialism but with a greater focus on making sure everyone gets a good starting point in life and less so on the hate of the rich, land and industry owning class.
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>>1975000
>Communist Dictator.
Anon....
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>>1975000
Nice Trips

I would say we're more like a Fascist Dictator more than a Communist one.
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>>1975055
Fascism is generally classified by racial ideological positioning. Whereas communism relies on classism.

Arguably we've transcended both: seeing as our society is for the most part classless and racially speaking "diverse" without being separated thanks to the small population ensuring close relations with everyone else.
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>>1975062
>racial ideological positioning
National Socialism maybe, but Italian Fascism and Spanish Fascism was nothing like that, just strong loyalty to the state, and state loyalty to the people
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>>1975070
Okay that is true. However if you asked most people they wouldn't even know that the Spanish had went fascist.
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>>1975062
We're Fascist in the sense we're a state is led by a strong leader ie. Us and we are forging national unity (Americans) to maintain a stable and orderly society. Our economy is mixed, we allow private ownership, but most things the government was a say in it, since we do have a small population.
And we prepare our nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.

So Fascism in the sense of not racial ideological but national unity with all Americans.
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>>1975101
Well I blame the Western Education system for that one, but that's besides the point, because our education system is the best in history
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>>1975105
Yeah I suppose. We're "fascists" but we draw it along cultural rather than racial grounds. As to the economics thing: that is a state capitalism, literally the best idea ever.

>>1975108
To be fair to the western education system: they've got a lot of shit to cover so they generally try to focus on the major shit and seeing as the Spanish had a civil war and then sat outside of the war, it makes sense they'd try to focus on bigger things.
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>>1975062
Not entirely classes. There is a definitive sectionalism based on occupation going on here, with high intelligence administrators, artisans, and researchers and military men having the most authority (and privileges), while lower level intelligence and service industry workers, while not living uncomfortably by all means (like kings in comparison to the average wastelander) have fewer privelges

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>>1965421
You have found that the ASA and some of the Pioneers of Post Scarcity have enacted a privege system based on the occupation of the individual. More service robots and larger amounts of luxury privileges, such as increased amount of energy credits, or a more luxurious house.

The basic principle is anyone who uses their intellect more, or has a more hazardous job such as the military or certain engineers, can be rewarded with less physical labour in their lives to devote themselves more to their job. Those who are content to work lower level jobs and not advance in education, research, or join the military recieve the basic standards of living. This is one way they are attempting to implement incentive improvement of the human condition.

Signing up to be a construction worker and going to VR school to get educatd is a means to get a free Mr Handy.

>>CIV
>Keep working on fixing up houses around our settlements and improving way of life stuff
Currently, with your construction crews working full time on the Fusion plant, and with certain limited resources, improving the settlement is actually a limited option. The ASA brings to you certain requests voted on by the energy credit bank system.

-The Home Owners Association would like more beautiful landscaping with green lawns, just like in the NCR. However water is being rationed (and depleted) for the Hexcrete pouring in the big Vault. Suggest research on a means to teleportationally transfer water from elsewhere
-The Animal Domesticaation and Husbandry group request more farmland animals for "Authentic Meat" which tastes better than Salient Red but is a limited resource. "Real Meat" and other non-replicated foods are seen as something of an artificial delicacy, as replicators always produce the same thing with pinpoint accuracy, real meat has more variation. People would like to taste more real chicken.
-The Animal Domesticaation and Husbandry group requests permission for "aesthetic and genetic improvements" on their limited and aging lobotomite population. They only have so many lobotomites and can't get new ones, so they seek to make do by keeping them younger and longer through research.
-Many parents are calling for an end to the Freeside Rats, citing the "delibrate and willful indoctrination of child soldiers" as imoral. In contrast, many Freeside Rats would like to request status as citizens able to vote, citing the tradition of Freeside Rats voting for themselves back in New Vegas.
-The Artians' Guild would like both a Museum of the Arts, a VR Theater, or a Music Hall
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>>1975190
>-The Animal Domesticaation and Husbandry group requests permission for "aesthetic and genetic improvements" on their limited and aging lobotomite population. They only have so many lobotomites and can't get new ones, so they seek to make do by keeping them younger and longer through research.
If you turn off the faucet of sex, you turn off the happiness.

-Many parents are calling for an end to the Freeside Rats, citing the "delibrate and willful indoctrination of child soldiers" as imoral. In contrast, many Freeside Rats would like to request status as citizens able to vote, citing the tradition of Freeside Rats voting for themselves back in New Vegas.
Do we even have elections?
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>>1975204
Energy Credit Banking System as a psudo form of election. The more energy credits you can bring together, such as through the ASA, the more you can invest in wider projects.
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>>1975220
So you can vote on what project you want done privately?
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>>1975190
To be honest that sounds like the fairest system I've heard of in awhile.

>-The Home Owners Association would like more beautiful landscaping with green lawns, just like in the NCR. However water is being rationed (and depleted) for the Hexcrete pouring in the big Vault. Suggest research on a means to teleportationally transfer water from elsewhere
Massive waste of energy, time and resources. Promise them that a solution is coming. They can move to Montana or Utah if they want some nice grass when we get colonies there.

>-The Animal Domesticaation and Husbandry group request more farmland animals for "Authentic Meat" which tastes better than Salient Red but is a limited resource. "Real Meat" and other non-replicated foods are seen as something of an artificial delicacy, as replicators always produce the same thing with pinpoint accuracy, real meat has more variation. People would like to taste more real chicken.
Denied. To be entirely honest I want to move away from cattle and to salient. Even if it would mean investing another research action into improving it so it was as good as if not better than ordinary meat.

>-The Animal Domesticaation and Husbandry group requests permission for "aesthetic and genetic improvements" on their limited and aging lobotomite population. They only have so many lobotomites and can't get new ones, so they seek to make do by keeping them younger and longer through research.
Approved. This'll serve as an excellent test bed for anti-aging and healing gene-mods and augments for our population.

>-Many parents are calling for an end to the Freeside Rats, citing the "delibrate and willful indoctrination of child soldiers" as immoral.
Denied. It is an optional organisation and they learn useful skills without being placed at unneeded risk.

>In contrast, many Freeside Rats would like to request status as citizens able to vote, citing the tradition of Freeside Rats voting for themselves back in New Vegas.
Give it a trial period and require that they've been a member for at least a year. If they are able to fulfil the requirements of membership for a year then they are disciplined and trained. Meaning they should be about as responsible as some adults that get to vote in real life.

>-The Artians' Guild would like both a Museum of the Arts, a VR Theater, or a Music Hall
Approved. I'd say music hall or VR theatre but whatever they can get the most support for.

>>1975204
We've in past used the people to decide issues where we felt we shouldn't make the decision. Specifically, the lobo's and their use as sexual relief.
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>>1975236
In a sense, yes. James Bond has all the information about every transaction though.
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>>1975220
So wait the Rat's are asking to be allowed to spend, own and earn money? Shit I see no reason why not given most of our labour for humans is entirely