You are General Nathan Oman, awakened from thirty years of cyrosleep. You are the last surviving member of the Timmerman Administration, the greatest, strongest government the United States has ever voted into office. You and the rest of the military leadership, under the guidance of President Timmerman, led the country through trying times. Times it would not have survived without you.And how did the people pay you back? After the dust settled and the crisis passed? By handing President Timmerman and the military command over to an international court. They were all sentenced for crimes against humanity. They were all hanged.Except, that is, for you and several other generals. You went into hiding. You all swore that in thirty years times you would return and exact vengeance on the world for the death of your nation.Now you've returned, and through your actions you've gathered a dedicated team to your cause; Jake Malone, an ex-CIA agent and your closest friend. Dr. Manning, an eccentric scientist with no regard for morality. Mazzie Vandal, a former mayor of a Colorado town who has become an excellent administrative asset. Benjamin Franklin aka Helios, a nuclear powered man. And many, many more, all caught up in your machinations. Together you will fight until your last breath, either bringing back these United States, or watching the world burn for its crimes against your will. Pt 1 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1661977/Pt 2 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1673647/Pt 3 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1769607/Pt 4 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1786959/
Deep hums reverberate through the command theatre. You sit at your desk, a bottle of whiskey half finished before you. There are many others sitting in a loose circle around your desk; Jake1, Jake4 and Jake5, President Mathers, Dr. Manning, Mayor Vandal, various militia and special ops captains. Behind you all a holographic projection of the United States. Various states are blinking red, with arrows and graphs pointing out known intelligence. The room is silent. In the background a news casts is detailing the latest reports from the Indian-Chinese conflict. The war has ground down to a halt, with thousands of infantry dying by the day. Analysts predict whoever’s special forces takes down the opponents Iron Shield first, wins. Another new casts plays simultaneously, but on silent. Texan forces have fully engaged the Californian armed forces throughout the southwest US. Much like the India-Chinese conflict, it is a bloodbath. On top of that is the news of Coalition forces shelling Denver. Jake3 is there right now, along with Captain Belfast, bravely defending the city from what will likely turn into the definitive siege of the 21st century.One more newcasts plays. It is mostly ignored, but its content spells dire news for the cause; the Eastern American Nations have joined forces with the EU to violently suppress rebel factions from Illinois to South Carolina. Everyday thousands of refugees and displaced fighters stream west towards Colorado and your seat of power.“Alright,” Jake1 says, banging on a command console. The occupants of the room tear their eyes from the info streams and turn to him. “Here’s where we stand. We’ll start with the most immediate concerns, starting with Denver.” Jake1 motions at the holographic display, and the US magnifies until the screen is taken up by an overhead view of the Colorado Capital. “My third copy estimates we have the supplies and firepower to hold out indefinitely, assuming the China-India conflict continues. The NA Viceroy Chan Loa has had his entire army practically pulled out from under him to aid Beijing in India, but that doesn’t mean he’s powerless. Between California, Oregon and Washington, the coalition has enough forces to steamroll us if we trip up. The fighting will largely depend on how many planes the western nation states commit to the Viceroy’s campaign. Our intelligence is hazy, but so far we’re getting signals that Oregon and Washington are reluctant to hand over too many of their airforces.”“It seems to me,” President Mathers says, rolling an unlit cigar betwixt his fingers. “That we should forget territory acquisition and concentrate on what we’re good at; namely big, flashy explosions. I know that’s not really how countries are built, but as ol’ Rumsfeld said, “you go to war with the army you’ve got.” And our army consists of drones and tanks.”
“Too late,” You say. It’s the first time you’ve spoken, and the room’s occupants snap their heads in your direction. You don’t meet any of their eyes, instead staring at the newscast of the eastern US fighting. “Mr President, we have begun a movement whose wheels are too large to slow. Everyday thousands of people stream into Colorado, convinced of our ability to return them to a place of power and prestige,”“Well turn them back,” President Mathers says. He slips a zippo out of his pocket and lights the cigar with practiced ease. He takes a puff, then stares you in the eyes. “You’re not Moses General, you won’t be performing any miracles. If by some chance we do restore the United States, it will look nothing like the old one,” “And yet we must continue trying,” You say. “I will not cede ground to foreign interests and false governments.”“Well then we have a choice to make,” Jake1 says, motioning at the holographic display. “My fifth copy has been working hard, and he’s identified four big events that we need to confront. I’ll start with my fourth copy,”Jake4 stands, brushing at his loose buttoned shirt. “As you all know, our main source of income is the Montana oil pipelines. Our alliance with Texas is beneficial, but it’s not nearly the revenue stream of the oil. The Viceroy knows this, and has made it his top priority to decimate the pipes from here to Canada. At the moment we’ve kept him off with anti air emplacements secured from the Montana army, but that will only last until he sends in some dedicated ground forces.”“So then we need to defend the pipelines,” President Mathers says, motioning with his cigar. “Simple,”“Not so,” Jake1 says. “There are other situations that need our attention,” He motions at the display, and it widens out to display the eastern United States. “You’ve all seen the violent suppression happening in the east.”“American men and women dying at the hands of our enemies,” You murmur. “Indeed,” Jake1 says. “According to my fifth copy, the root of the fighting is not in fact our movement, but a serious food shortage. They’re using our cause as a rallying cry, but as far as the reason normal people are taking to the streets, it’s the lack of bread. The coalition forces have in place a massive plan to supply the region with food. Obviously once this happens, the fighting will peter out,”“What are you suggesting you spook,” President Mathers says. “That we destroy the food? That we purposely starve half the united states?”
“Yes yes,” Jake1 says, waving dismissively. “War is awful Mr. President, you don’t have to beat the pulpit. The point is that should we do this, the entire eastern united states would rush to our cause. Our forces and allies would multiply exponentially,”“Sure,” Mathers says. “At the cost of thousands of lives due to starvation. And what happens afterwards hm? Do we have plans in place to feed millions?”“We’ll manage should it come to that,” You say, your voice still low. “We’re simply discussing our options,” “Which brings us to Dr. Manning,” Jake1 says, looking at the man in question. The doctor clears his throat and stands. He unwraps a throat losage and pops it in his mouth. “I would like to bring to your attention my good friend and colleague, Samson Fritz,” The doctor taps something on a command console, and a picture of a large, stern looking man appears on the holographic display. “You are staring at the greatest mechanical mind of the 21st century. I have not been in contact with him since our college days, as he was scooped up by government powers while he was still in school,” Dr. Manning punches a button, and several blueprints circles around the hologram. “He has been designing aircraft for EU-Chinese-African coalition forces since then, though no-one has known has location, or heard from him,”“That is,” Jake1 says. “Until yesterday,” A black and white picture pops up on the hologram. It’s a grainy image of an older-looking Samson Fritz. “This was taken outside of Chicago Illinois. Our intelligence indicates he is state-side for unknown reasons.”“The reasons do not matter!” Dr. Manning says, waving a hand excitedly. “We must capture him immediately! He could build for us an entire air-force, better than anything out there!” “How easily could we capture him?” You ask, looking to Jake1. The ex-CIA agent shrugs. “Eh, it wouldn’t be easy. A dedicated team of special ops could do it. The Illinois nation state is hanging on by a thread, but they’ve got enough EU-trained intelligence forces to give us a hard time,”“Which brings us to our hard choice,” You say, gazing at the holographic display. “Denver, the pipelines, the food supply and the engineer,” Jake1 says. “All of them will take a dedicated special ops mission, and we only have the personal to address two,” Pick two situations with which to commit your special forces>Defense of Denver>Defense of the Pipelines >Food Stores Raid>Samson Fritz Raid
The room clears out, each individuals' task clear. Jake1 holds back, motioning with his eyes for you to do the same."Mr. Malone," You say, once the command theater has emptied."Nathan, I wanted to talk about the Indian Chinese war real quick,""Go on," You say. "Well, there's an easy way we could end it, in our favor in fact, but it would be a very, very bad situation,""The data core," You say. "Yeah. We use it once, bring down the iron shield around Beijing, the Indians rain nukes down on it," "And this is bad because?" You say. "Well, once nukes enter the situation," Jake says, gesturing vaguely in the air. "I mean Nathan, if we really allow the Indians to nuke China, not only are we chancing the beginning of a nuclear apocalypse, but even if we don't the environmental consequences will eventually reach us. Some within our command think it would be better to just let the Indians and Chinese duke it out, and wait for a winner," "A few nukes would finish the war," You muse. "But the fallout, the tension,""It would be essentially lighting the world on fire," >Use the data-core to bring down the Beijing Iron Shield>Pass, let the two nations fight it out,
>>1834523We could Get India in a meeting with us, and promise an end to the war, in their favor, tomorrow, but they would have to give us something in return.Also, yes, the world would light on fire, but not in the US. All over Europe and Asia, fights would break out, maybe ending in a nuclear war, maybe not, but Chinese forces would be pulled out of the US almost completely, and EU forces too, that I am almost sold on.With the Asians pulled out, and the Europeans teetering on the edge of continuing to pour resources into the US, it would mean their offensives would let up, meaning we can make more visible moves.So>Use the data-core to bring down the Beijing Iron ShieldBut before we do it, let's have the Indians in a meeting with us. And we want to talk to someone substantial, not some shitty minister or Spook.Assuming the dominoes fall into place as I have suggested, then we won't even have to defend Denver.>Defense of the Pipelines >Samson Fritz RaidI'm sure we'll get another chance to stir up trouble for the Europeans, but we need to keep our tech edge
>>1834556if we help the Indians nuke china then we will be proving the world right about the usa and any hope for the real america will be lost. this plan just does not sit right with me it not something we are a people would do. think about what we are risking here a nuclear apocalypse. even if it did work and we reunited america think about the world and nation we would have created. even thou it is tempting i think if we do it then we really are just a mad general out on a blood lust fulled revenge quest. for the nation we lost. this is a point of no return that i don't think we should cross. its like we will lose a key part of the american spirit that we are trying to save and by helping to start the possible nuclear apocalypse.
>>1834628But it wouldn't be traced back to us as it would be seen as just a Cyber Attack on their Iron Dome, and that would be it.You do have a point on the whole morality front, but we aren't going to get around the fact that we gotta be fucked if we want our dear country back. Would you rather we destroy the food and starve thousands of our countrymen?
always loved my players, you guys discuss like a real command counsel. Gonna take a brief break, then I'll address discussion and choices
>>1834628I mean I'd be willing to budge on the Indian situation if you could offer a good counter
>>1834708>>1834646this attack will kill billions of people not just solders, or chines. men, woman, and children will die in the attack and the fallout. it might even start a cascade effect, the chinas seeing that the end is at hand will lunch back then the allies of india also launch and with in hours the whole of the world could be consumed it fire. while we and our people in the bases and the old usa might survive the retaliation strikes the long term effects would be unimaginable. even if the plan goes perfectly what do we say if it ever came out what we did to win. but if we destroy the food that is our people, our suffering. we would be willing starving out our children...there is no good answer here just the one that will help us to win but does the end result justify the means. if we go through with this i want everyone to fully understand exactly what the consequences will be. that being said its a solid plan, one i can top but that does not make it the right thing to do. yet it maybe our only option you won't have my support but that other anons will mostly likely support your plan and then we shall be come death the destroyer of worlds.
>>1834795WHo knows if India is even gonna nuke China. They could just threaten and that would be that. I trust that everyone knows that nukes are the end of the world probably.It's decisions like this that keep men up at night, and even drive some to suicide, so we can tell these people that they don't have to be a part of it, but we need to be strong. I would take maybe nuclear proliferation over starving our peopleLive together and die alone
>>1834519Food raid and the black guy for the air force.>>1834523Can we not target points to knock out the iron drome to permit India's air force uncontrollable access into china? Must it be nuclear war?
>>1834523>>1834519Im going to propose the radical approach, but also the most American-centric approach. We use the datacore to allow the Indians to nuke the Chinese. Environmental nonsense aside, its been long proven that nuclear winter is bullshit. The Enomic impact is not important for the United States, as we will be a fortress nation without need of the outside world. The rest of the world will not engage with the US due to begin a collection of fragmented puppet states that are essentially vassals at best, colonies at worst.So. We let the nukes fall. We now protect American lives. The rest of the world will be dealing with the shit storm. We will defend denver, and the pipelines, which are now a GLOBAL strategic asset. The engineer and food can wait. While beneficial, they are baubles. We do not need to kill Americans.Also we are not soviet Russia. An enduring symbol like denver will rally many more than a simple one time influx of desperate people motivated purely by their own survival. Quality over quantity. With everything that happens from there, the EU will be forced to double down on their own security, and likely pull assets from illinois allowing us to send in a smaller team, but at greater risk to them. We could make an outright statement and use a drone strike in the chaos of the global war to lay the Illinois government low and/ or snatch the engineer.the very long story short is, we are mincing concern over the well being of the nations who fucked the US, while considering the expendability of American citizens. The choice was made before the discussion ever hit the table.
>>1834863Your right.>>1834681>>1834523Changing this >>1834862 too>food raid and black guy>knock out the iron drome and tell them America remembers her allies and enemiesGod bless the United States and fuck her enemies
>>1834876>God bless the United States and fuck her enemiesMuh Dick
>>1834863....your right damn it all, you are right. support Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
>>1834862Short term soft feelings create long term lasting problems. I can show you a thousand pictures of crying children, mangled bodies of all ages. The truth is, they are tied to the system that opposes us. Unwilling participants, but cogs all the same. Also, by fulling removing China from the equation, we potentially remove the quandary of our AI core having so few uses. We might be able to get one more pop out of it, and I have just the thought; Deorbit the entire global satelite network. All of them. They need them more than us. With some luck we may be able to deorbit into general areas, like capital cities for example.
>>1834896Well if the Chinese are gonna figure out our weapon anyway, we might as well give her one last send off
>>1834896my god man there is a difference in fighting to win and slaughter the sake of slaughter
>>1834912I could agree not to deorbit over major cities, but if we can create a huge amount of chaos in one go, we could really seize the day.
>>1834924ok sounds good.
>>1834912I would have suggested a more pinpoint solution of military bases, industrial complexes, and power plants. However...Most military bases are a lot of empty space, and we are not using precision weapons in this scenario.Industrial complexes are also smaller than a base, and a city. So the chance of a hit is low, and usually they can continue to operate at reduced capacity.Power plants...also a smaller target, though they usually have extensive infrastructure around them. I had considered this before the city suggestion, but the damage done to the region would be much more drastic in the wake of our combined actions. A loss of power results in emergency generators kicking on, then running out of fuel, entire wards of people dying in hospitals, etc, cities loosing power, people starving to death by the hundreds of thousands if not millions, though likely resorting to cannabalism, looting, chaos beforehand. Sewer systems shutting down, filth and disease flooding the streets, spreading throughout the country.While it seems crueler on the surface for the city strike, the actual impact in terms of human suffering is much lower, and does more to hamper economy and war-fighting capability.
>>1834967It all comes down to the force that these satellites are putting out. It would be nice to target a fleet in dock or two, but power plants and even ports are where I want to aim them at.
>>1834556>>1834628>>1834646>>1834862>>1834863>>1834876>>1834892>>1834896You sigh. You've gone over it in your head, every which way. You sit down heavily in your chair. These decisions should be made by a council, not one man. But there is no council. Only you. "Get me Bahmed," You say. A minute later the ISS agent walks into the command theatre. If his countrymen's war is weighing heavily on him, he does not show it. He stands before you, expressionless and stoic. "Agent Bahmed," You say, eyeing your empty whiskey glass. "I need you to get me on the line with someone very high up in your government,"Bahmed nods, approaches the command console, and types in a long series of numbers. Moments later the official seal of the Indian Ministry of Governance hovers in the air before you. A disembodied voice echoes out from the theater speakers."Hello? Who is this?" Bahmed answers in his own tongue. You wrinkle your brow. When speaking Hindi, Bahmed actually shows some semblance of a personality. The agent stops talking, and nods at you."You are General Nathan Oman?" The voice says. "I am, who am I speaking to?" "It does not matter, I do not have a title. I am, however, the highest position you will reach at the moment. You understand general, that we are currently at war for our very survival,""Which is why I have called," You say, picking up your empty glass. "I wish to offer you an opportunity," "And what opportunity is that General?""I offer you the destruction of Beijing's Iron Shield, for at least twenty minutes,""How,""The how does not matter," You say, leaning over your desk and grasping the whiskey bottle. "Only the what. And the what, is what will you do with that twenty minutes?"There is silence on the other end. Finally you hear the voice. "We will end the war, if what you say is true,"A slow smile grows on your face. "Excellent, thirty minutes. That is when the shield goes down." You fill your glass, stopping and putting the bottle down. "Oh, and mister no-title,""Yes general,""In return, what does India have to offer the United States?"Again there is silence. Finally, the voice speaks. "General, take down that shield, and I will offer you anything and everything,""Very good then," You say, bringing your glass close to your mouth. "We'll be in touch,"
>>1834986You know. I'm glad India is one of the few world powers that kept in contact. They really are good albeit dirty people
>>1834972the real benefit from the satellites is the global "chaos", or massive loss of strategic capability and logistics. A lot of damage will not happen unless sensitive things are struck. I digress:http://www.aerospace.org/cords/all-about-debris-and-reentry/spacecraft-reentry/Basically a lot of chaos, not a super weapon from the deorbit if that were to even be an option. Lop would have to OK it, if the AI core is still viable, if we go through with this, and even then, hive mind consensus.We wont loose global comms entirely though, as we still have the Ionosphere to bounce signalls off of, unless global nuclear war, then its kinda fucked. Though...There was this one neat experiment a looooong long time ago involving a fuck ton of pins. It worked. sorta.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford
>>1834986When we go after the food. Can we have our spec ops speak Chinese or a bastard or appear as Chinese spec ops and pin it as 'revenge ' and publically condemn it?
>>1835004Well it was mentioned earlier that we have one satellite in orbit that has a very large laser that could probably take out a city
>>1835013I still advise against going after the food. We want people to join us out of an unwavering belief that we are the right way forward, not out of desperation. Desperation has no loyalty, no ideology. It has no sense of gratitude or debt. Desperation is just simple survival, and it moves from opportunity to opportunity as soon as an improvement presents itself. Though I am one voice, but there is my thought on it. Denver and the pipelines carry more weight.
You cut the line and finish your whiskey in a single gulp. You stand. "Mr. Malone," You say, turning to Jake1. "Nathan,""I want all our forces concentrated on defending Denver and the pipelines. That is the priority. And get me Dr. Manning."Moments later the doctor is in the theater. "Doctor," You say, eyeing the man. "I want the data core ready to fire in half an hour,""General?" Dr. Manning says, looking confused. "Do not worry yourself doctor," You say. "Simply do as I command," "Will we be retrieving Fritz?" Dr. Manning asks. "We will not be," You say. "The priority is Denver and the oil,""General please!" Dr. Manning says, clasping his hands together. "Forget that city, forget the oil, I offer you a man who can give us the skies!" "My order is final Doctor," You say, eying him. "I have not forgotten your disobedience. Your skills are the only thing keeping you alive, and do not forget even that is replaceable with a 3D printer," "I assure you general, I only have the cause in mind," The doctor says, unwrapping a throat losage and popping it in his mouth. "Fritz is a greater scientist then even me!" "It is done doctor," You say, your voice growing dangerously low. "We do not have the spec ops to perform such a retrieval.""T-there is another way," Doctor Manning says. "Helios,""No," Jake1 says, practically laughing. "We're not sending in a hammer when we need a scalpel. Ol' Helios would destroy Chicago," "No!" Dr. Manning says, growing excited. "That is not true! Thanks to the Maddie girl, I have successfully been able to full control Helios! His powers are greater then we even imagined, he could single handedly go in undetected, take the man, and leave!""Well," Jake1 says, rubbing the back of his neck. "Sure, with the Maddie girl right? She'd have to go? And probably one of my copies. I dunno," You stare at the doctor hard. "Helios has destroyed towns, bases and interstates," You say. "What makes you think he won't destroy Chicago,""He is in love with the Maddie girl," Dr. Manning says. "Just like he was in love with her sister. And his powers, we've treated him like a bomb, when really, he is a god!" "The maddie girl, she's a copy yes? Completely under our control?"The doctor seems nervous, looking at the ground. "Ah no, Helios wouldn't let me close enough to copy her. He is....extremely protective of her, won't let her out of his sight.">Send Jake, Maddie and Helios to Chicago>Send yourself, Maddie and Helios to Chicago>Pass for now
>>1835027>>Send Jake, Maddie and Helios to ChicagoI don't have to tell you how important this isCan we send any of those Delta Operators or Marines to help
>>1835018hmm. A new resource to consider after Lop's next round of very excellent story telling.
>>yourself, Maddie and Helios to Chicagodid we ever chi[p ourself?
>>1835027>>Send yourself, Maddie and Helios to ChicagoMaddie is only human, and may see this as an oppertunity to escape. She knows the power she wields over Ben. His name is Ben, and for all of it, he is a human, and one of our boys. Jake is a good agent, but he doesn't understand what it is to be Human. Probably never was. We might not even be human anymore, but we know how it works, how it ticks. At the end of the day, we want to make a world for humans. Not slaves. Americans. Free men, Free women.We go ourselves, put some skin in the game. Ben knows us, and we gotta acknolwedge that he is not stupid. He is simply inexperienced, needs a mentor. Do we model him after jake, or after ourself?
>>1835060you are right on the money
>>1835060It still comes down to the fact that there is one of us, but many Jakes
>>1835027Changing from this >>1835038 too>go ourself eith helios and maddie.Also, get a DNA sample from her and make sure the news is recorded for when we come bacm
>>1835072Jake is loyal. He is mission oriented. The "President", even the Scientist, down the road, they might be problematic. Depending on how well we can groom Ben, we might have a rallying figurehead instead of a weapon to keep hidden. His social, critical and more importantly ideological development could be shaped by us, for the US. (hey, I can be stone cold all the time. I like to make puns and wordplay too.)
>>1835094We can shape it in the safety of a base, telling him delicious tales of the old US and her voyages all over the world kicking ass and taking names, not in a city crawling with EU operatives
>>1835036>>1835038>>1835052>>1835060You stare at the doctor, then at the holographic display. You idly tap a button, and the display suddenly produces a 3D map of Chicago."Oh c'mon Nathan," Jake says. "I can see it on your face, you want to get the engineer. Just send one of my copies and the girl and the nuke man and let's move on,""Actually," You say, staring at the map. "I may go myself,""Excuse me?" Jake says, his eyes growing wide. "You? The general? Fuck no. Absolutely not,""So make a copy if I die," You say, a smile tugging on the corner of your lips. "I've been chipped," "Christ," Jake1 says, shaking his head. Suddenly he stops. "Nathan," He says slowly. "Isn't your wife and son living in Chicago?" You pretend not to hear, instead gazing at the map. "Nathan," Jake says, his eyes narrowing."My wife is dead," You say, quietly. "I had your fifth copy check for me. She died of cancer three years ago," "And your son?""Presumably somewhere in Chicago,""So you're going personally to....what, reconnect with your family?" "Be careful Jake," You say. "I am still your commander. I am going because I don't want an alleged god to pick up any habits from a gleeful murderer," "Oh, is that supposed to be a slight at me?" Jake says, leaning on your desk. "You know what I am Nathan, I've never been secretive about my pleasures,""Hm," You say. "So it's settled. Myself, Maddie and Helios will go to Chicago,""Okay I'm sorry," Jake1 says, throwing up his hands. "But I've got to send one of my copies at least," "If there is room in the car," You say, standing. "I prefer the back seat to myself," You walk towards the door. "Dr. Manning, I leave you in charge of the data attack. Jake, you are commander in my absence. I will have my command pad on me, so contact me with any issues that arise,"Dr. Manning smiles. "Excellent General, you will not regret the addition of Fritz,"
That's it for tonight lads. Will a general, a college student and a god be able to last in Chicago? Find out tomorrow morning central time on My Father's Country
>>1835109You fucking tease. I wanted to see the emp. Thanks for the run
>>1835109see you in the morning
>>1835109Thanks man. This was a good end to my night.
Man I thought you weren't coming back till after spring break
>>1835000Poo jokes aside like 1 in a 1.000 Indians are somewhat decent, and 1 in like 10.000 can be actually pretty chill and cool people.>>1835018>You set your coffee to the side, and clear your throat. "Mr. Mather's, it is true that the likes of the British empire are gone. But the British Empire didn't spend a trillion dollars on city-destroying weapons platforms that orbit the earth,"Could be "Rods from God". Honestly kinetic or nuclear sounds more probable imo.>>1835060I'm glad we are paying more attention to Helios. I hope we can guide him into becoming a Superman/Captain American hybrid.
A problem we might face in molding helios is maddyIf we get her out of the picture and replace her with a clone helios is under our controlWe just have to find a convient way to chip herMaybe we should have a spec ops spy on her entire daily routine?
>>1835984biggest thing to consider are the personalities we have, and our end goal. Our current scientist is likely at the end of his usefulness once the AI core is expired in it's own usefulness. Past that he has some very dangerous obsessions, and no true devotion to a new US.the President,is little more than a figurehead with who clearly thinks like a bureaucrat and not a leader. His primary function will be to allow a transition from what was, to what is. Its all about public perception, and belief. We need him to hand over the torch to a new US when the time comes.
>>1835994We should have a 6 month wait period before we start up the elections so partys can form and so we can rethink our systemSome problems in the system includes the senate having a lot of power, some states being overly represented,lobbying,and everything being too slow
>>1836014>>1835994We're not gonna have an election until we have all the states back together, and we can ensure no "tampering" is going on, and that we are safe and secure
>>1836024that being said we will be having elections that is nonnegotiable
>>1836159Hey I never said we wouldn't be having them. All I am suggesting is we not only wait until we are whole and strong again, but we can root our corruption and any foreign elements
>>1836166and i agree that w have to do that but we will have to have elections eventually the people will at some point start to demand it. i suggest that we get head of it by setting a date maybe when the normal election n if that is to soon then we wait hell my U.S law we don't even have to worry about this till 4 years as the current president is the ex speaker of house. so e suggest have the election at the end of his 4 years, or sooner if the poeple demand it. we would have them as if the old USA had not been lost.
>>1836200We shouldn't have a definite timeline because we don't know how long this is gonna take, but I was imagining a sort of George Washington situation where congress will just unanimously elect us two terms and then we'll step down, having set the bar
>>1836208oh yeah speaking of congress we need to start preparing some sort of continental congress to get everyone on the make america whole again boat.
You leave the command theatre and walk down the smooth concrete halls. At the end is an ominous looking elevator. Two soldiers stand guard, throwing you salutes as you approach. One of them presses the elevator button, and the doors slide open. You nod to the soldiers and enter. The doors slide shut, and you descend. At the bottom the doors slide back, revealing another long, concrete hallway. Vetted militiamen stand at attention. There’s at least ten of them lining the hall. You walk past them, nodding to end their salutes. At the end of the hall is a large pair of metal doors. They slide open to reveal a large, open room the size of a football field. There are machines, cables and generators humming softly. Dr. Manning is standing with two of the Elgin citizens. You assume the doctor recruited them for his research. “Doctor,” You say, approaching him. “Ah, General,” Doctor Manning says, ducking his head. “The device is almost ready to fire,”“I’ll be watching it on my command pad,” You say. “But I’m here for Helios and the girl Maddie,”“Ah,” Doctor Manning says. “The girl’s name is Cass. Maddie is her dead sister. I would advise not mixing up the two, she might grow emotional,”“So be it,” You say, brushing past him. “Where are they,” Doctor Manning points out a small, makeshift cubicle set up in the middle of the room. You approach it, the doctor and his assistants in tow. You enter into the cubicle. Inside the girl Cass and Helios are sitting on a sofa, watching a television. You don’t recognize the show, instead turning to the pair. “Are you,” You pause, wrinkling your brow. “Enjoying yourselves?” Ben nods emphatically. Cass simply stares at you. “Good,” You say, taking a step towards the couch. “Ben, I need you to come with me,” “Can,” Ben begins, then looks at Cass. “Can my friend come?” “I must insist she does,” You say, meeting Cass’s gaze. Still she does not respond, simply staring at you. “We’re going to Chicago,” You say, turning back to Ben. “It’s a very wonderful city, I lived there myself for a time.” “Why,” Cass says. “Are we going to Chicago,”“It is necessary,” You say. “It will be a very difficult trip, as there will be men and women who do everything in their power to oppose us. Do you think you’re up to the trip Ben?”Ben looks to Cass. She does nothing, her face betraying zero emotion. Ben looks back at you and nods. “Yes Mister Nathan, I can do it,” “Excellent,” You say. “Let’s waste no time.”
Twenty minutes later you’re leaving the base in a luxury sedan provided by the Texan President as a gift. You and Ben sit in the back seat. Cass sits in the passenger. And a strange man Jake printed from the Lazarus files drives. Jake called the strange man “Stucky,” and he seems to respond to the name, but speaks very little. You hold your command pad in your lap, watching satellite feeds of Beijing. You get a call from Dr. Manning. “Yes Doctor,” You say, tapping the comm link. “General, the datacore is primed and ready,” “You may fire Doctor,” You say. You watch, your eyes glued to the screen. Ben leans a bit towards you, obviously interested in the command pad. Even Cass keeps glancing back, having clearly heard your commanding tone. Beijing goes dark, every light on every building blinking out. You smile. The nukes come next, and you can’t wait for the flashes. A minute passes. Then another. Then another. Ten minutes pass, then fifteen. One by one, the lights in Beijing turn back on. Your eyes narrow. “Doctor!” You yell into the comm link. “What happened!”“G-general I’m not sure! Our datacore worked! The iron shield was down!” You mash the comm link, bringing up Jake1’s line. “Jake!” You practically yell. “Nathan,”“There were no nukes!”“No Nathan, I certainly didn’t see anything.”“So what the hell happened! Get me Bahmed!” The ISS agent approaches the screen that Jake1 occupies. He whispers to Jake, who nods along, widening his eyes. Bahmed leaves again, leaving Jake alone on screen. “Well? You say, gritting your teeth. “It appears New Delhi used your opening for a different sort of attack,” Jake1 says. “What the hell does that mean?” You say. “Well, apparently they’ve got some sort of biological missile. They dropped it on Bejiing, and according to Bahmed it’s going to spread up to a hundred miles, wiping out all organic matter.” You don’t know what to say. You think, furiously. You would have preferred the flashy destruction of nukes. It sends a message, a strong message. “Ah look Nathan,” Jake1 says. “I can see you’re disappointed, but from India’s perspective it makes sense. Every living organism in Beijing and the surrounding area is dead, but the infrastructure and buildings are intact.”“The Indian’s want the capital,” You say. “So they wiped out the people and left the buildings for them to seize later,”“Seems about right,” Jake1 says. “I’m guessing the war’s going to end in the next eight hours, I’m already getting international newsfeeds detailing the attack. Ha!” Jake laughs, showing you a picture from a news satellite. It shows a city plaza in Beijing, littered with the bodies of people. “Fuck that’s effective!”
“Hrmph,” You say, tapping on your command pad. “Keep me posted Jake, and let Dr. Manning know that I want more information on this biological weapon. The Indians owe us now,” “You got it Nathan, enjoy Chicago,” The hours stretch on. The miles move past. You watch as Cass and Ben interact. Cass asks Ben’s opinion on buildings they pass, the color of the sky and different animals. The more the two laugh and talk, the more your eyes narrow. By the time you reach Missouri you know for sure; Cass loves Ben as much as he loves her. Your fingers curl around the handle of your berretta, hidden under your button up. You finger leaves the gun when Ben suddenly turns to you. “What do you think Mr. Nathan, what’s your favorite song?”“What?” You say. You hadn’t really been listening, only watching their faces. “He asked you about music,” Cass says, a hint of disdain in her voice. “Or is that a silly question to ask a Unionist? Do you people have music, or do you just listen to the screams of immigrants?”Your face conveys to Cass exactly what you think of her. You turn your head to Ben, adopting a small smile. “I enjoy classical rock Ben,”“Oh Christ,” Cass says. “Of course you do,” “I doubt you know what classic rock even is,” You shoot back. “I’m talking about real classic rock,”“What is the good stuff?” Ben says. “Stucky,” You say to the CIA agent. He looks at you in the rear-view mirror. “Hand me the aux cord,”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4GWOkvDeMThe car continues, the miles pass. You go through Missouri, then southern Illinois, heading straight north.
Pt 2 after lunch
>>1836280>Do you people have music, or do you just listen to the screams of immigrants?Man, they must have reddit in the future
>>1836303everything is reddit for them.
>>1836276>Bio weapon that wiped out the entire area with one strike.Fucking hell India, I love you. I'm glad to see our funding went to good use and now the entire Chinese nation is crippled. >>1836280>No Ac/Dc I'm not sure if I'm a fan of big bad now.
>>1836280Once we get the west coast and half of the mid west under control we need to get a shit ton of composurs together to make a rock version of the national anthemNone of that tasteless screamo shitNone of that bland techno shitJust classical rock
>>1836370nah man the national anthem needs to stay the same remember our goal is not to reinvent america but to restore it.
>>1836399america was great, but not perfectWe should fix americas problemsWe can't just retrun to good ol america like nothing went wrongWe need to adress the problems that made america fallWe need to prefect our system
>>1836448that is how it start with the best of intentions fix the broken things make the system better. that kind of thinking will only end with a tyrannical state. we are here to restore america not create an "new" and "better" america never lose sight of them anon, never.
>>1836461We can all agree that the old US wasn't perfect, but it was the best around. Who says we couldn't tweak some things this time around
>>1836618me and any other real unionist that seek to restore america. not turn it into our personal dictatorship in the guise of getting it "right" this time around. the only thing we can do by making changes is braking it. the very fact Nathan and his unionist are fighting to bring america back prove that our institutions are fine as they are. 30 years after the end of america people are still fighting to bring it back. that is why we can't and won't muck with the core documents and institutions of this nation.
>>1836699>our personal dictatorshipThat's a little unfair Anon. All we are talking about is fixing the many problems that were apparent in the old US. There's a saying that if it ain't broke then don't fix it, but it was broke, in many places.I'm not even really talking about changing the COnstitution or anything like that, but me and you both can see the problems the old country faced. Crippling debt, expensive over seas wars, a fucked congress, crumbling infrastructure, and many more
>>1836699There is no place for a dictatorship. Simply asking for laws to be fair, asking for people to contribute to society.Laws involving domestic matters have to be written in plain language, meetings around them conducted on the public record via video, full transparency. Everyone who is a member of this reconstituted US will gain a right to vote, and at the age of 18, every citizen now has a right to choose. Serve in the military/ militia for 4-6 years, and gain your right to vote, or dont, and dont worry too much about voting, but enjoy the benefits of society.
>>1836718>>Serve in the military/ militia for 4-6 years, and gain your right to vote, or dont, and dont worry too much about voting, but enjoy the benefits of society.you had me till this aside from the fact that a conscript military will never be better that a volunteer force. the right to vote is a fundamental god given right of every american>>1836712i can agree that we don't need to go make into crippling debt and that the worlds wars do not need to be Americas war, and infrastructure is important. But the restoration of congress is nonnegotiable we can never forget that at the end of the day america is not a nation lead from the top down, it is a nation lead from the bottom up the people are the true leaders of america. despite the problems congress had reform can and will fix themif you think about it we are the reform that america needs a return to pure Americanism
>>1836744We need a congress, I'm not denying that, but the congress we had pre-break was just a joke. We could take some pointers from the Timmerman administration. God, if only we had the man with us today. The country would be ours already. Maybe we could try to find some info on his administration and try to model ours from his
>>1836718I think going full military only will make things dumb how about>military personel get to vote>land owners get to vote>high level college grads get to vote
>>1836757Timmerman, god rest his soul did what he had to do in a dark time to make sure america saw the bright dawn. But i don't think a Timmerman style admin is what we need right now. I think we need a George Washington someone that can reignite the slumbering fires of freedom in every man. as for the congress 30 years of oppression will have taught the people to be strong, to never again bow Americas head. we must only have faith in the people.
>>1836765I've always been a proponent of only tax payers get to vote>>1836791Just like Timmerman, we gotta do some bad stuff too, hence the bio nuke the Indians have. I have faith, but we could do our best to set up a country that would provide the best for them.
>>1836765the right of every america to vote in nonnegotiable. if we aren't fighting to restore the rights of every american. then we don't have the right to say we are fighting for america.
>>1836799we can try and help them all we want but at the end of the day they have to help themselves. our job is to give them the chance to succeeded remember "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," we are a nation of self reliant people the government can't provide anything not really all we can do it give them the opportunity to succeed
>>1836839>our job is to give them the chance to succeeded rememberAnd what if we could make it easier for them by un-gunking the system?
>>1836926un-gunk the system in what way
>>1836943Make the congress less retardedStart sectioning states so that they all have the same population and so that we can skip the "big state vs. Small state" problemKill the cancer known as lobbyingBetter overall education
>>1836943Fix the congress problem, take a LONG look at our spending, destroy lobbying, fix term limits for senators and the such, look at our foreign policy, look at the issue of voting
>>1836960>>1836960i can agree with you both on everything,but congress, voting, and mucking this the states.maybe we can change it so the senate members are appointed by the state legislators like before the civil war but the peoples right to vote is untouchable and the states are fine the structure of the congress by the constitution fixed the little state vs large state problem.
The windy city rears up before you. You watch out your windows, looking for buildings that are familiar. You see a few, but more then that you see proof of a new, unfamiliar land. There are dozens of unfinished buildings, standing naked among other, older buildings. "It's," Cass begins, her face pressed against the window. "It's huge. This is Chicago?""Hm," You say, still staring yourself. "It is big," Ben says, grinning. "Very big. Are we going to see the lake? Cass? We should see the lake," "We will," She says, almost quietly. You take out your command pad, tapping on the screen. Moments later Jake5's voice pipes through. "Nathan," He says. "Jake," You say, chancing another look outside the window as the luxury sedan passes into the city proper. "I need last known location of the Fritz fellow," "I'm sending you the coordinates now. If I had to guess, he's in a secret complex in the midst of the city. His movements have been very confined, sticking to predictable routes,""That's foolish," You say. "Or he's confident he's untouchable. Be careful Nathan," You cut the line and direct Stucky to the area of the city you need to canvas. The sedan pulls up on the curb of Michigan ave, and then Stucky lets you out. Ben and Cass step out as well. You side up to Stucky, keeping your voice low while Cass and Ben stare up at the skyscrapers. "Agent," You say. "Sir," He says. His voice sounds soft, almost effeminate. "If things get difficult, kill Ben first, then the girl. Are you able to do this?""Sir," He says, nodding. Your head swivels upon hearing laughter. Cass is smiling, and Ben is motioning all around. "Shopping, shopping!" He yells.Cass is laughing, barely able to talk. "Ben! Behave yourself!," She shoots you a sideways glance, eyes narrowed. "I don't think we can go shopping right now,""Shopping!" Ben says, throwing his arms in the air. He looks excitedly at you. >Deny him, get on with the mission>Go with them shopping, send Stucky to canvas the area>Send Stucky shopping with them, canvas the area yourself
>>1837113>Go with them shopping, send Stucky to canvas the area
>>1837113>>Send Stucky shopping with them, canvas the area yourself
>>1837128>>Go with them shopping, send Stucky to canvas the areathis is good bonding time for us with ben and cass
>>1837134Scratch that, we need to "build an emotional connection" with Ben and the girl. No one has seen our face yet right?
>>1837113>Go with them shopping, send Stucky to canvas the areawe need to curb our overt hostility to the girl. She was raised indoctrinated. Stupid now, and a risk yes, but a potential asset if she can be brought around. Or if she goes out thinking we arent terrible and it was stucky that dropped her, but ben blames a given target.options options. For now, lets treat the kids to a Chicago Style Hot dog and some Deep dish pizza, maybe an Italian beef if Portillo's is still in business...fuck. They didn't outlaw meat did they?!
>>1837128>>1837134>>1837149>>1837152You stare at Ben, and feel a strange emotion stir in your chest. The nuclear man looks at you the same way a child might, who wishes more then anything to experience life. You sigh. "Canvas the area," You say to Stucky. You look at Cass. Through gritted teeth, you manage to say. "Please miss, lead the way," Cass raises her eyebrows in surprise. Ben claps. "Yes mister Nathan! Let's go shopping!" Finally Cass shrugs and scans up and down the street. The buildings rise up on both sides, forming a metal wall of civilization and wealth. She points to a large-windowed department store taking up the ground floor of a nearby skyscraper. "Let's try there first," Cass says, then grasps Ben's hand and crosses the street. You do your best to follow. Once at the building Cass and Ben push through the front doors. You follow, pausing once inside. It is indeed a luxurious department store. Gold and silver adorn the walls, and red carpet invites visitors further in. Cass leads Ben up and down the carpet, visiting displays of beauty and expense. She pauses at a necklace. "Oh Ben," She says, her voice hushed. "It's so gorgeous," "It would look beautiful on you," Ben says, then immediately turns red. He stammers. "I-I,"Cass stops his stammer with a smile. "Thank you Ben, if only we had money," You stand a short distance behind them, watching, a sales lady comes up to you. "Ohhhh," She says, squealing and clasping her hand. "Which one is yours sir?" You stare at her, then realize she's asking you about Ben and Cass. "Both of them belong to me," You say, your voice husky. You do not enjoy department stores. The woman looks at you quizzically. "Oh no," She says, smiling. "I mean is he your son? Or she your daughter?" You stare at the saleswoman, wishing her to go away. "The boy," You say, nodding curtly at Ben. "Is...mine," "Ohhh isn't young love wonderful?" The woman says, her smile growing bigger. "I overheard them saying they can't afford it, why don't you buy it for them Dad?" You grit your teeth at her calling you the dad, but remain calm. You walk up to the display case, staring at the necklace over Ben and Cass's shoulder. "You want to get it for her boy?" You say, trying your best to remain casual. Ben stares at you with wide eyes. "Yessir mister nathan! More then anything!" "Oh mister nathan," The saleswoman says, laughing. "What a funny name for your father! Well you heard him Dad, help the kids out," Cass looks at you, her face unreadable. You stare back, then look at Ben. Finally you turn to the sales woman. "We'll take it," You say. Ben's face lights up. Cass cocks an eyebrow, unsure of you. "Thank you mister nathan!" Ben says, throwing his arms around you. You, Ben and Cass meet the salewoman at the front counter. "There now," She says. "I've got it all wrapped up nice and neat for you! That will be twelve hundred dollars."
You signal for Ben to hand you the bag he has been carrying. You set it on the counter with a large thump, then count out twelve gold bars. The saleswoman watches you, incredulous. "S-sir," She says. "I'm sorry, but I need Illinios notes. We also accept most credit cards," "Fuck credit cards and fuck you," You say, finally losing your cool in the department store. "Gold will always be king," You snatch the wrapped necklace off the counter and hand it to Ben. "There you go soldier, you earned it," Ben smiles, taking the necklace and unwrapping it. He slowly slides the jewelry over Cass's neck. She look at it, resting on her, then up at Ben. She throws her arms around him, hugging him tightly. You look away. As your eyes search for something to occupy yourself, you spot several men enter the department store. You can tell by the way they walk; they're intelligence service. You look back at Ben and Cass. Half your face is a melted mess, you're not sure if anyone knows what you really look like. >Walk out casually>Try to sneak out back>Let Helios deal with them
>>1837230>Walk out casually
>>1837241they won't try anything in public they won't risk it.support
>>1837230>Try to sneak out backIt could only get worse
>>1837260money says that they have the back covered no our only chance is to use the civs as cover and hope they won't start something in public.
>>1837270They'll just follow us if we go out front. Maybe we should try to change clothes, find some storage closet
>>1837277true but we have stucky and they don't know she is there we get into the crowd and have stucky fire off a few rounds at them while we slip away.
>>1837241>>1837243>>1837260>>1837270You seriously consider sneaking out back. You don't want to risk anything. But then again....You decide to walk out front. "Ben," You say, your eyes still on the men. "Let's go,""Yes mister nathan," Ben says. You start walking, then pause. You hold out your arm. "Miss Hannover," You say. "If you would." Again she stares at you with an unreadable expression. Finally she puts her arm through yours, and you continue walking. Ben walks next to you, still grinning. The men spread out as you approach. They're all wearing suits, with barely concealed comm wires wrapped around their ears. You reach the entrance, where one of them is blocking the door. "Excuse me," You say as you near him. He does not move. You stop in front of him. People mill about behind you, oblivious to the unfolding scene. The men in suits all stare at you. "Nathan Oman," The man blocking you says. "You must have me confused with someone else," You say. Ben stares from you, to the man, then Cass. The men begin to close the circle. Ben steps forward. "Excuse me sir," Ben says. "We need to get through." He grabs the man by the shoulders, lifts him, and sets him to the side. Ben then opens the door and motions you and Cass through. The three of you hustles across the street, with the exception of Ben, who is still walking in a happy fashion. You and Cass practically throwing yourselves in the sedan. You motion at Cass to grab the wheel. "Go!" You say. "Go!" Cass throws the keys in the ignition and speeds away from the curve. You rummage around the back of the care, producing a black case and unfastening it. Inside is a modified SCAR assault rifle. You take it out just as the back window shatters. The bullets whip by, exiting through the windshield. You turn and see two black cars chasing you. "Fucking Chicagoans," You say through gritted teeth. You level the assault rifle out the back of the car. >Roll 1d100
Rolled 16 (1d100)>>1837287There seems to be a good amount of men, several, and if they do recognize us, then our mission is abust>>1837319Aw jeez
brief break for now, we'll see how this car chase goes when I get back
Rolled 40 (1d100)>>1837319
Rolled 2 (1d100)>>1837319god has our back
>>1837331>>1837328>>1837320Hahahaha alright guys we can start rolling well now
>>1837336....i think we are going to be ok
Rolled 42 (1d100)>>1837338Anon...I don't know, maybe if I guess my number right, he'll give us a break59
>>1837406then we need one more roll to risk it all one last time.
>>1837319>AutoGod help us...
>>1837320>>1837328>>1837331>>1837336>>1837338>>1837406>>1837419>>1837650Your breathing slows as you bring your eye to the SCAR's sights. You pull at the trigger, sending out bursts of bullets. You do not flinch as bullets whip by, concentrating at the task at hand. You manage to catch one of the drivers between the eyes, then duck down to reload. You feel the sedan swerve, and you look up at Cass. She's slumped over the wheel. Ben is staring wide-eyed. The car jumps the curve and crashes through the front entrance of a skyscraper. The car spins across the marble lobby, coming to a stop against the elevators. People are screaming and running. You exit the car with your SCAR just as the other car follows into the lobby. It screeches to a halt and all four doors open. You level your gun and pick off every man who comes out of the car. They crumble to the floor. "Stucky!" You scream into your comm as you run back to your car. "General," He says, his soft effeminate voice at odds with the chaos around you. "We've been exposed, rendezvous at point B, we're leaving," "The city's on lockdown," Stucky says. "The cops are closing all the major roads," "How," You say, almost to yourself. "How can they be closing it so quickly,""Well," Stucky says. "They might be in a tizzy because I managed to grab the target,""What?" You say, reaching the car. Ben is holding Cass, his eyes staring hard at her labored breathing. You sigh upon seeing her still alive. "Yes, I found him in a McDonalds and followed him into the bathroom. I was able to trick him into thinking I was a prostitute and lured him to the alley." "Dammit," You say, spinning around the lobby. People are still screaming, staring at the dead bodies of the intelligence agents. "Jake!" You yell into your comm. "I need safehouses!" "I've two for you Nathan," Jake5 responds. "And a possible exit. The first is a Unionists militia safehouse. I've made contact with them, but I can't guarantee their loyalty. You could also head to a nearby trainyard. I've made contact with an friend from the old days, he's a conductor and could get you out of there. But I don't know how hard they're watching the tracks.""You said there was two safehouses,""Right, right," Jake says. "The second one is," He pauses. "Uh, your son. I've found your son's house. He's under a different name, it was almost impossible to find. It's possible he'd shelter you till we can get an evac,">Go to the Unionist Safehouse>Head towards the train yards>Go to your son's house
>>1838127>Head towards the train yards
>>1838127>Heas towards the train yards
>>1838127>>Head towards the train yards
>>1838127>Go to your son's houseIts time
>>1838127family complicates things. We burned that bridge a long time ago. Can we have ben check on Cass?>Head towards the train yards
>>1838127Man, Stucky is amazing.
>>1838134>>1838150>>1838180>>1838218>>1838221"Stucky," You yell into your comms. "I'm sending your coordinates, get the target there at all costs," "Yes General," He says. Ben has dragged Cass from the car onto the marble floor. He's stroking her hair, tears streaming from his face. You see her hair is matted with blood and kneel down. You look her over, inspecting her with your fingers. "Head wound," You say. "Shallow, she'll live but we need to bind it," You realize you're talking to Ben and wonder if he understands. He's still stroking her hair. You see her necklace. It's flaked with blood. "CPD EVERYONE ON THE FLOOR!" You look up to see nearly fifty men streaming into the building, armed to the teeth and wearing tactical gear. Their guns and laser sights quickly zero in on you. "ON THE GROUND" they scream. Ben strokes Cass's head one more time, then stands. He walks, slowly, towards the SWAT team. They open fire, filling the lobby with incredible noise and the smell of gunpowder. Ben shudders as the bullets enter his body. He keeps walking. The SWAT keeps firing. Their clips empty, they throw them to the ground and begin reloading. Ben is talking, but you can't hear him over the ringing in your ears. Finally the ringing dies down as the SWAT reloads. "Why," Ben says. You can only hear him because his voice echos across the marble. "Why, why did you hurt the one I love? Why would you do that?" "ON THE GROUND NOW" "Why?" Ben says, pausing. He raises one hand. "Why did you hurt her?" There's a flash. You feel a wave of heat wash over you, knocking you back. You scramble back up, rubbing your eyes. The SWAT are ash. The wall beyond is gone. The skyscraper across the street is in flames. More SWAT vehicles swerve in, as well as military vehicles and helicopters. Ben starts walking again, headed outside to the gathering soldiers. >Go after him>Take Cass and make a run for it>Leave Cass and make a run for it
>>1838264>>Take Cass and make a run for itHe'll find where Cass goes, I know it.
>>1838264>Take Cass and make a run for it
>>1838264>Leave Cass and make a run for it
>>1838264Take Cass and Run
>>1838264>>Take Cass and make a run for it
>>1838264>Take Cass and make a run for itThe CPD were corrupt back as far as their history goes, but we need Ben to fall back with us. He can and will level Chicago before he sorts out his feelings, and we dont need that publicity. Convince him Cass needs him to protect us while we run for it. Shit, its obvious he is, but play the human card and ask him if he is ok.
>>1838273>>1838286>>1838300>>1838304>>1838308>>1838340You consider leaving the girl. It is indeed tempting. You glance at Ben. He's currently taking over a thousand bullets, shaking violently as they enter his body. He remains standing and continues walking. "Ben!" You scream. "Cass needs you! Come here!" Ben can't hear you over the gunfire. "Dammit all," You mutter, scooping up Cass in your arms. You start running. You enter a hallway, hustling past a group of people huddled against the wall. "What's going on?" One of them says, gripping herself in fear. You ignore her and continue jogging. You're not as young as you used to be, and Cass is seriously hampering your speed. You suddenly remember something. You gently set Cass down, rustle around in your pocket, and produce a pill. Dr. Manning gave it to you for emergencies. All he said is that it was used by the Pentagon for special mission. You couldn't exactly remember what it does, but Dr. Manning was insistent that you had four hours, and then would crash for nearly a day. The continuous sound of gunfire convinces you to pop it in your mouth. You pick Cass back up and start jogging again. You feel a surge of energy course through your body. You steps quicken. You exit the hallway and enter into a concrete parking garage. A man is hurriedly getting into his car. You run up to him, Cass in your arms, and kick him to the side. The man yells in surprise as he hits the floor. You duck into the car, setting Cass in the passenger, then get in yourself. The keys are on the seat, and you cram them into the ignition. The wheels spinning, you tear out of the garage. You hit the road. There are helicopters above and army vehicles roaring down the street. They ignore you as you drive in the opposite direction, clearly intent on heading towards Ben. You drive, speeding past cars and confused pedestrians who stare in the direction of the flaming skyscraper. After a few blocks you start breathing again. Energy still courses through your veins. You pull over, throwing the car in park. You lean over Cass, tearing at your shirt. Once it's in strips, you start binding Cass's wound. "W-whats going on?" She says, opening her eyes. "Don't talk," You say, binding her head quickly. You notice a water bottle in the cupholder and grab it. "Here, drink this," Cass struggles to take the bottle and tries to take a drink. You help her, then set it back in the cupholder. "B-ben," She whispers as you throw the car in drive. An hour later you're at the train yard. You swerve in, sending waves of gravel into the air. You get out, scooping up Cass and running towards the office. Stucky is waiting with another man, a man you recognize as Samson Fritz. As tall as he is, the engineer is looks anxious. "General," Stucky says. "Hold her," You say, depositing Cass into Stucky's arm. You pick up your wrist link and open a line to Jake. "Jake, we're at the yard, where's your man?"
"You're looking for a skinny black man named Mario," Jake says. "I've made contact, he should be there,"True to his word, an older, skinny black man exits slowly out of the train office. "You Malone's friend?" He says in a slow drawl. "Yes," You say. "Get us out of here," "This way," The man mutters, shuffling off towards the trains. You follow, as does Stucky. Samson hangs back, and you quickly flash your beretta at him. He turns white and starts following. Minutes later you approach an orange train car covered in graffiti. The man slides the train doors back, then motions you inside. You all enter, then Mario hands you a bucket that smells like mud and shit. "What is this," You say, taking the bucket. "Mud and shit, make sure you cover yourselves or the drones will spy your heat signature,"You stare hard at Mario, wondering what he did before he became a conductor. He shuts the door, bathing you all in darkness. "What's going on?" It was Samon's voice, you can make it out in the darkness. The train shudders, then the car begins to move. "Mr. Fritz," You say, leaning back against the metal wall. "Normally I'd have a speech inviting you to join a most noble cause. But unfortunately at this time I must ask you to shut the fuck up," You turn in the direction that you think Stucky is in. "Agent," You say. "General," "I'm about to pass out for a day. You're in charge, get us to base safely." "Sir," You hear him say, just as darkness overcomes you and you pass out. Roll 1d100 for Stucky's luck
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>>1838411>>1838470>>1838475You wake up to white ceilings and soft, yellow lights. Your vision clears, and you see you're in a hospital bed. You look around. It's the med bay of the Arizona base. The beds are all empty, save the one next to you. Cass lies in it, her head wrapped in bandages. She's looking at you. "Hey," She says. "Hey," You reply. You look around again. "We made it," You say, simply. "Yeah," Cass says. She's playing with the necklace around her neck. "Did he come back," You say to her. "I don't know," She says, gripping the necklace. "I just woke up,"Dr. Sami, the man you found wandering in the desert, enters the med bay. With him is Mayor Vandal and one of the Jakes. "Ah, excellent," Dr. Sami says, seeing you as he approaches. "You're awake," "Nathan," Jake says, giving you a small grin as he comes up to your bed. "Which one are you," You say. "The one and only," Jake1 says."Hmph," You say. "I feel drunk,""That would be the combat drugs you so carelessly ingested," Dr. Sami says, checking your IV. "A man your age should not have taken it," "That's enough of that," You say, using your elbows to struggle up into a sitting position. "I don't need a doctor, sorry, ex-doctor, fretting over me like a damn wet nurse,""Fine by me," Dr. Sami says, then turns to Cass and starts checking her IV. "Jake," You say. "What's the situation." "Well," Jake1 says. "There's some good news. The Denver siege is still going, the coalition hasn't broken through yet, and we've managed to protect the pipelines too," "Excellent," You say. "The engineer, and Helios,""Fritz is in the lab with Manning," Jake1 says. "As for the nuke man, well, no word yet,""Is Chicago still standing?" "Surprisingly so," Jake1 says. "Our weapon leveled a few buildings and disappeared.""He'll be back," You say, glancing at Cass. "Make sure Jake5 is scanning the feeds for any sign of him," "Absolutely," Jake1 says. "But I've got some good news and bad news as well," "Yes?" "The good news is that China has officially surrendered to New Delhi,""Good," You say, nodding. "The bad news is twofold; one, the defense minister of the Confederacy of African Nations has vowed a full military response to China's defeat, as have some members of the EU. Also, as of last night, Texas is on the defensive. They've got the better army and airforce, but California's been using technology attacks like I've never even seen before. They've rendered almost all of Texas's military systems useless,""Get me out of this bed," You say, tearing the IV from your arm. "We've got work to do,"
that's it for tonight guys. You all are damn good players, I'm a lucky QM for the strategic discussions that happen during the lulls. We'll pick back up tomorrow night, see you then soldiers
Very goodChina is goneWe can use our nelson clone to start fucking up europe from the insideIf we stir up the hornets nest that is the middle east and get africa involved we have destablized the entire world and can take the west and east coast with no problems
>>1838600That was actually super cool, I hope we can save our nuclear man and chip Cass. Little confusioned as to why they are going after people even though China sparked the war.
>>1838629Well the war started because india wouldn't move soldiers off the borderSo i guess through light mental gymnastics you can blame india
>>1838591Africa can be managed. They were Chinese vassals so their loyalty is obvious. The EU will need to come to full consensus less they act in fragmented fashion.Lop. I hear rumors of this orbital weapon, and other assets, what are our capabilities at the moment, and is there an update on the risk of our AI core being reverse engineered?Thanks for running a great quest.
>>1837017The reason why sectioning states off may be a good idea is because of the different ideologys in larger statesLook at north californa and south californaLook at northern florida,central florida, and souther floridaBy making every state equal in population we also streamline congress and get more people represented in the goverment equallythe argument for voting is that you often end up with dumb kids with bach degrees fucking things up or inbred hicks fucking things upBy only allowing those who have proper education and actual stakes in the government we can cut down on dumb shit and outside influence alotAnd you can't argue on congress needing a redesignIts a mess that needs to be fixed
>>1838938I think it's a great idea, and here's a map with exactly that.
>>1839633>Houston is its own statejesus.>>1838938its always tempting to restrict voting to those who have "earned it" or will "vote wisely.but thats juvenile bullshit. and heres why.the purpose of voting is not to decide issues, that happens at the level of government. voting is essentially a popularity contest designed to convince the average citizen that he has a voice.government of the people for the people by the people.if you limit voting to a priveleged few regardless of how you determine it the disenfranchised will suddenly care a very great deal. it will engender endless gouts of vitriolic hate against the priveleged voting class every time something goes wrong. and even if everything is perfect something will SEEM to have gone wrong, because thats human nature. riots, assasinations, murders, and hate crimes will skyrocket even under a police state.by limiting the vote you paint a target on voters. by expanding the vote you allow everyone to blame themselves, either for voting wrong or not voting at all when they had the chance. you make them culpable.
>>1838938this is also a flawed idea for various reasons.firstly population is a fluid criteria subject to relatively frequent change. differing population densities, population growth, and interstate migration all skew numbers over time. sometimes very rapidly.secondly each state might not be entirely self sufficient. look at Houston. sure it has millions of people, but how the fuck is it going to feed itself? what is it going to use for maintenance of its entirely urban infrastructure? how is it going to handle interstate traffic and tarrifs? and a host of other issues. none of them insurmountable, but you want to do this to every single state at once. the beurocratic situation would be a nightmare.lastly the reasoning strikes me as gerrymandering on a national level. its not necessary either. you want to upset millions of peoples lives so like can live with like? its A) unamerican and B) really obvious. the struggle between opposing parties is what makes the system work. dialog is almost always more productive than segregation.
>>1839849>struggle between opposing parties is what makes the system work.Not lately....In fact, the struggle is almost never beneficial, atleast in modern senses. Sure, a decade after the recreation of the US, they'll all be drunk on patriotism, but after that fades...
>>1838938i have said it once and i will say it again we will not be restricting the right to vote and we will not we fucking with make up of the starts. we are here to restore america not reshape it in our image.
>>1839830I mean there is the fact that voting is a sort of "bread and circuses" for the people, but it hurts the country more than it helps itCan you honestly say that non-taxpayers are gonna make better choices for the country than taxpayers?
>>1839849To quote john adams>There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.To quote george washington>The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public LibertyWithout looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
>>1840000We are in complete agreement over the party system, but there is really no simple fix. We can outlaw parties, but that doesn't get rid of the spirit of "staying with your group of idealists"I mean we could encourage third parties, but they too would end up drifting to larger parties to get their pieces passes
>>1839990>we will not we fucking with make up of the startsWhat
>>1840012I think he means that we will not fuck up the states
>>1840003listen guy the republicans and democrats as a party are through they let america fall on there watch i don't know what kind of partys will rise to replace them. have faith in the people 30 year of oppression will make for a great education. >>1840012meant states
>>1840018>have faith in the peopleI would have faith if there was never the issue in the first place, but there was, and the people were unable to fix it, but you know who did? Timmerman and his administration. Just a handful of people managed to turn this country around, (or as much as one administration can) and they were hung for it. We have a second chance to really fix the mistakes of old
>>1840018The constitution was literally made to be tampered withThats why america is an experimentWe know what led to americas fall and we need to fix itIf we don't we fail our peopleWe fail the fathers who gave everything when they fought the british to establish this nationNow im on the fence about the whole limiting voters thing but their is no reason to not section ip the the states
>>1840031Sectioning the states over population is a silly thing all around though
>>1840035It makes a shit ton of border gore but it may fix several problems in the elections such as swing states and larger states having certain areas clash in idealsNot only that but it can cut a shit ton of fat out of congress which is always goodIts not perfect but we should try it out first or at least propose the idea to a continental congress
>>1840049I even fail to see how it fixes the voting issue. Even if it does fix it, it fucks almost everything else up, including the economy and national unity
>>1839999nice quads, but I must disagree slightly.elected officials make decisions, voters merely choose between elected officials.and the tax/nontax is completely arbitrary a criteria even if voting was directly influential on policy. and heres why.vote diffusion (which Ive allready explained the reasons for) among all parties creates a perception among voters that their vote cannot possibly be the swing vote.one vote among millions has a very low "value" psychologically speaking. the process of educating oneself about not only the current issues facing ones country, but also an accurate accounting of various sides and proposed solutions is difficult. moreso when political factions use spin and propaganda to advance their causes.the result is a sociological framework that promotes underinformed voters who filter available information through the lense of their preconcieved political ideals.education sometimes affects this, but more often just replaces one filter with another. everyone votes their politics or pocketbook or party.so tax or no tax, everyone lives in america and everyone votes for themselves.
>>1840000agreed, but how do you plan to force people to think enough to have independent politics?democracies gravitate towards the smallest number of parties because its easy.
>>1840051How does it fuck up national unity?Most people aren't very tied to their states at all and would see very little differenceHow would this fuck up the economy at all?Seriously i fail to see how this affects the economoIt coukd potentially solve voting problems because if every state having the same amount of weight as they all have the same population and stops dumb shit like swing states fron existing
>>1840072Politically speaking, you're correct in the thinking of people voting for themselves, but that's the problemI'm going to sound very crass next, but it's the easiest and clearest way I can lay it out.Tax Payers are productive members of society, a lot more than non-taxpayers. This is almost un-debatable. Thus Tax Payers are going to vote for things in their interests, while non-taxpayers will vote for things in their favor as you said with the whole self interests, right?So, we must value what Taxpayers and non-taxpayers want from their government. Most non-taxpayers will want social programs, free this and free that, while some will want jobs, sure, the most are looking for help to alleviate their immediate problems, which increase government size, taxes, government spending, etc.Tax-Payers could also want government help for their common man, but most of them usually donate to charities, or participate in food drives, or hire a few more people in their small business they own. Thus, these activities by the tax payers are much more productive and healthy for a country.But as it stands, non-tax payers have a very large say in government
>>1840080it would require destabilizing interstate trade, reconfiguring state taxes, and manybofbthe old states are powerful mini nations who would resent the restructure.add in to that the fact that population distribution splits the nation between urban and rural areas. on top of all of that you have recources from rural states that are critical to the survival of urban states. this upsets the political balance and promotes potential trade/resource squabbling
>>1840080Basically, people don't really want to be forced into a new state without their say. If many people want this change, sure, but I don't think they will. Economically, well this anon basically spelled it out>>1840096
>>1839830I disagree a bit. If we were able to return the power of the vote to the state, like how we used to be able to fire senators and congressmen for failing us, suddenly it matters. You have these insane old crooks who cook the ballet in their favor, and somehow stay in despite doing a total shit job.
>>1840027anon you seem to have forgotten one important thing Timmerman was voted into power by the people, Timmerman did not try to make changes to the fundamental make up of america. he didn't limit the right to vote, he did not break up the state, he fought to save america. that is the america i am fighting to bring back
>>1840139>Timmerman was voted into power by the peopleAnd how many presidents before him were ineffective and corrupt? Why did the American people wait until the very last minute of destruction to vote for someone who saved them? Did they just like to feel the rush and adrenaline? Or was it just pure luck that this one man floated above the rest and was luckily voted in because his opponent was just much weaker or didn't have a flashy character? I think the latter.>that is the america i am fighting to bring backBut that's just it, isn't it? The America you want was only the way it was because of a certain leader in a government. Before Timmerman, it was just an ineffective government led by one shitty leader after another. It wasn't the government or the people, it was the Person that saved the country, and that person leaves in 8 years, unless you're arguing for a dictatorship.....
Clearly This whole talk of Democratic government is pointless. once we reclaim the United States we should give full power over the country to the Great General Nathan Oman so that he can lead the people of the United States back to greatness. Plus with our cloning tech if Oman ever dies we can just make a new Oman therefore we'll have the Eternal Supreme Leader Nathan Oman.
>>1840145Well that brings up a fantastic point, doesn't it? The problem with Dictatorships lies in the fact that we can't always guarantee a very competent and fair leader, as the human lifespan only lasts so long, but if that problem were to be solved...
>>1840093who do you think of as a "non-taxpayer"?because assuming new america mirrors old america's tax policies there is a wide segment of the population who are employed but earning so little that their tax money is refunded.then there are those who are taxed far below their actual income due to tax havens and financial manipulation.Does the amount of taxes matter? Your arguing that non-taxpaying citizens should be denied the vote. but it has a massive downside. Ive already outlined the resentment caused by disenfranchising voters. Ive also shown that military service, tax money, skin color, income, credit rating, education, and many other factors are irrelevant to voting practices because everyone who can vote almost universally does so under the same premise of uninformed guesswork.donation to charities is by no means universal. also many charities have zero net impact on peoples day to day lives. funding cancer treatment is fine, but it doesnt prevent food riots. see my point?instead of denying a section of the populace a vote, why not focus on uplifting as many people as possible into skilled, productive workers? or taxing all income at a flat rate?
>>1840153Exactly. Cloning has made continuity of government a non-issue. Nathan Oman is clearly a great man who we can trust will always do what is right for the United States so I don't see what would be wrong with giving him total control over the Nation since the alternative is a slow decline just like the Old America.Plus Oman sounds like a good name for a Dictator.
>>1840153down that road lies madness and strife.
>>1840145the only reason we are even here fighting is because of the with out them putting Timmerman into power the cryo program would not exist. as for the mistakes of the past the people will have learned from them and embraced the truth that america needs strong leadership they will be voting america first for a long time. I have faith in the people and they have faith in us. that we will restore the america that was lost. we have no right to betray that trust, by reshaping the nation in our image no one man has that right. >>1840144tread carefully the united states of america is a republic and will remain a republic, the people will not stand for a dictatorship.
>>1840161How?What's wrong with having a clearly competent and good man leading the nation especially with the guarantee that we won't ever have to worry about a succession crisis. The fact that Nathan would eventually die and be replaced by a clone every few decades should also prevent him from going insane as each new clone would be a fresh Oman untainted by total power.
>>1840155Tax havens and shitty loopholes are one thing, but if you get your income taxed, then you should be able to vote. This makes sure that a majority of Americans vote, but their voting is based on responsibility. >military service, tax money, skin color, income, credit rating, education, and many other factors are irrelevant to voting practicesBut unless I am misunderstanding you, this is just blatantly wrong. Identity politics is a real thing and it does heavily effect politics. Education and military service also effect voting heavilyAlso fat tax rates are just dumb. There should be low taxes for the middle class, high for top earners, and somewhat low for corporations.>>1840164>tread carefully the united states of america is a republic and will remain a republic, the people will not stand for a dictatorship.The only reason we have stayed a republic is so we don't fall under a shitty leader, but you can't tell me that the American people wouldn't accept a benevolent and competent leader. Why do you think FDR got 12 years and would have got even more?
>>1840164"The people" if you don't remember betrayed President Timmerman and gave him to an International Tribunal which had him hung and today they support governments which would have us killed if they could. Clearly the people are not qualified to have a voice in our New America. Even these so called "Unionists" have shown how treacherous and fickle their loyalties are. Nathan Oman is a genius commander and a true patriot who would gladly die for his country. I can think of no better man to give this power to. We must accept that the world is different than it was in 1789 and we must endeavor to build One America led by one man under one God which will punish all who have betrayed President Timmerman (God Rest his soul). Maybe we could have an advisory council of a few loyal people such as Mayor Vandal and the Jakes. But beyond that Democracy and Republicanism as institutions are dead and morally bankrupt when we have such a better and glorious alternative.
>>1840166power is tempting isn't it, how easy it is to sit here with all our power pondering the ways in which we could shape the nation. but never forget that absolute power corrupts absolutely. we maybe the leader america need now but in a decade when the nation is strong again. are we really going to pretend that we really have the best interest of the people at heart. because to me it is clear that this would be a power grab. >>1840176FDR was a dictator in all but name the "reforms" he implanted failed and the only reason that we survived the depression is ww2 we do not want to structure our leadership around him now if you want a real leader Andrew Jackson is your man.
>>1840192I think FDR was a shit guy too, but my point was that the people are willing to accept someone if they see him as being competent and fair. While FDR maybe wasn't some of those things, we are.
>>1840189>>But beyond that Democracy and Republicanism as institutions are dead and morally bankrupt when we have such a better and glorious alternative.except they aren't are they the very fact that people are poring into join the cause proves that much. it was once said our ideals will out live us, and its true look around us every man and women fighting with us still believes in the great american experiment.>>We must accept that the world is different than it was in 1789 and we must endeavor to build One America led by one man under one God which will punish all who have betrayed President Timmerman (God Rest his soul). do you know why when the founders created america they called it the united states instead of the united state? it was because they believed that true power, and government flowed form the bottom up. Timmerman( God Rest his soul) believed that too. no matter how dark things got he never turn from those ideals, we have no right to use his name to destroy what he and others fought so hard to protect. >>Clearly the people are not qualified to have a voice in our New America.you are wrong this movement is made up of the people, the very people that in your "new" America would have no voice. the past 30 years have been there punishment.I know that they have learn from the mistakes of the past, I know they are ready to fight for america, and i know that if we try to take the hope that we have rekindle away. then they will rise up and destroy us.>>"The people" if you don't remember betrayed President Timmerman and gave him to an International Tribunal which had him hung and today they support governments which would have us killed if they could. it is true that they made a mistake and in fear they handed america over to her enemy's but if every american had agreed with that why do we have an army? why do more and more people keep coming to fight? the most people of america don't support the foreign powers they just haven't have the chance to fight and now they do. and they took it the movement is growing by the day. we will not sit idly by while anons like you seek to destroy america once and for all as long as there are people willing to fight for her then america will never truly die.
wow. okay first off however much of a "genius" oman may be he will NOT be suited to running things 200 years from now.the eternal dictator plan sounds great until you realize the massive oppresive police state required to enforce one mans will across a country indefinitely.sure we may get a great 50 years or so, but inevitably American ideals will leave the General behind and he will grow out of touch with the people.if we try to go down that road, the best thing for america would be for someone to put a bullet in all of Omans clones then feed him cyanide.because the Second Civil war he would eventually cause would destroy america forever. And his dictatorship would dishonor every drop of American blood shed for freedom since 1776.
>>1840241Anon you think that we're getting ready to destroy every right that Americans hold true. Hell, we aren't even getting rid of the right to vote, just the right to vote for the president, which people shouldn't even miss.This is a perfect situation. We will never take away basic fundamental rights from the constitution, and we are a competent and fair leader who will make sure that the US will never have a bad leader again. This is an almost perfect system, a lot more perfect than your broken democracy>>1840256>not be suited to running things 200 years from nowWhy? Is he incapable of learning things? It makes no sense that he'll "fall behind on the ideals of the new age" because he'll constantly be learning an interacting with people>massive oppresive police state Already covered that Americans are willing to accept if we prove to guarantee their rights and not fuck up their everyday life.
>>1840241Except that the people are only joining our cause now because 1. we're winning and 2. they're starving and hope we can feed them. This is like saying that the people of Italy really wanted Justinian to bring them back into the Roman Empire because they loved the Romans. the truth was that they saw he was winning and they didn't want to die so they accepted him and very soon after he died they had no problem going back to being a barbarian kingdom under the Lombards.>>1840256Humans have the capacity to learn new things as time goes on as does Oman. who's to say that Oman couldn't teach his successor Oman about how the world has changed and how he can carry the torch? and who says there will be a civil war? as long as the people are fed and happy they'll do nothing and after all that's what we're here to do. This is about saving the American people from anymore starvation and bloodshed and if that means we have to take away the vote so be it,
>>1840269Well even then we aren't taking the right to vote away, just making it void for the president. The people can still vote in congress, mayors, governors, sheriffs, etc.
>>1840275Yeah that makes sense. I mean seriously it's not like we're asking for 1984 here just that America can have stable leadership in the Executive branch by a man who has proven himself capable.
>>1840275you can spin this however the fuck you want. its still a state run military dictatorship.and if you think americans dont give a shit about not being able to vote for their president you are tragically mistaken. if anything hes the only official americans ever bother with!please dont piss on democracy and call it rain
>>1840331so keep the system we have just do away with the popular vote is that what you are suggesting?
>>1840264you will never have this anons support in gutting this nation. we will fight to bring it back but the moment that you and the other anon start talking about "perfecting" the nation i am out. >>1840269you lack faith in the people and that will lead us to ruin
>>1840331>>1840344okay, and what happens when congress wont approve the military budget? or declares one of Nathans action unconstitutional? or passes laws restricting the use of military force on domestic soil? or the supreme court decides that the hiring policies of the army are racist?at some point you are either a dictator or a president. you cant actually be both.
>>1840338Voting for the president has turned into a national publicity contest. The voter turn outs have been depressingly low. This isn't a bashing on any presidential candidate, but the way elections are treated are just a joke.Also, it can't be a state run military dictatorship, but who said anything about the military ruling the country?>>1840362We all agree he's going to be a dictator, but not in the traditional sense
>>1840338What's so wrong with a partial military dictatorship if that dictatorship is helping the people? People seem to forget about democracy as soon as the food starts to run out and they have to fear for their protection. Once we re unite America the common man won't care about having a Presidential Election, he's going to care about if the new regime is going to provide him with a fair shot at a good life. If we can provide that then there won't be a civil war. Plus a Military dictatorship is one million times better than having the same old corrupt families running the country because they've managed to screw over and lie to the common people enough to win elections.>>1840362Again, which is preferable. the benevolent dictator who won't ever die or an immortal corrupt system that works for the interest of the few super rich over the rest of the nation?
>>1840338amen brother>>1840362i think after 30 years of oppression brought on by leftist handing america over to foreigners you won't have to worry about weak leadership. i stand with the will of the people i have faith in them. they will not fail us>>1840365>>We all agree he's going to be a dictator, but not in the traditional senseyeah no not at all not now not ever. once america is free we are handing power back to the people we have to be Cincinnatic not emperor Nero
>>1840374>we are handing power back to the people we have to be Cincinnatic not emperor NeroThen I guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?Anyway, I hope this doesn't discourage us from the task at hand, kicking the foreign powers out of our country
>>1840373>>1840365you both need to read your constitution and declaration of independence and remmeber what we are fighting for>>1840376oh yeah man first we kill the invaders that have raped and pillaged our land then we will worry about philosophy and the future of america. but this will have to come to ahead at some point.
>>1840373>benevolent dictatorwhoo boy. Your benevolent dictator was in this very same thread willing to shoot a girl in the back of a head because she wasn't inconvenience to his plans. He also in this self same thread doomed millions if not billions of people to die in what he expected to be nuclear Holocaust. Nathan is many things but is not benevolent. Is he the man American needs now? Yes absolutely. Its either man America should look up to moving forward into the new era? Never in a million years
>>1840382>you both need to read your constitution and declaration of independence Alright this kinda got me angry. Who are you that accuses me of not knowing my history and my country? I have enough of an understanding of both, but it's you who is lacking the knowledge of the modern world and modern politics. If you think it's the same incorruptible patriotic thing it was 200 years ago, then you're a foolI know what I'm fighting for, do you really?
>>1840392exactly thank you
>>1840392So a man who is willing to do anything for his country to survive isn't a leader we want? Are you a traitor?
>>1840400No comrade. But I do understand the difference between an effective wartime leader and an effective peacetime leader
>>1840411What do you think of FDR then? The people sure loved him...What about us though? We are a general, well versed in the art of war, but are basically running our own country too, through finances and vast logistic situations. To me, it seems like the best of both worlds
>>1840394>>I know what I'm fighting for, do you really?I now exactly what i am fighting for, I am fighting to restore the first nation since the fall of Rome that held the common man had the right to decide how he is governed, I am fighting for the nation that kicked of the age of revolution sparking the global fires of freedom, I am fighting for the nation that made all men equal. what you are fighting for is a bastardization of that. the only thing dictatorship will give us is the destruction of a legacy of freedom and liberty that has last for all most 250 year. every nation that has become dictator has ended in bloodshed.>>1840400>>Are you a traitor?I am beginning to wonder the something about you.
>>1840417if we are so great, then lets run for office and set the pace for future presidents.instead of throwing the heart of democracy in the trash
>>1840422that is right let the people choose
>>1840419>has ended in bloodshed.Have we not ended that way the first time?>I am beginning to wonder the something about you.Usually a traitor willingly subjects his country to hardship, which is what you're fighting for>>1840422>if we are so great, then lets run for office and set the pace for future presidents.Now I know you haven't read what I've posted earlier, because after a good president, it is a long time before we have another good one. That's why we're getting rid of that problem
>>1840419Yeah and the nation that killed over a millions people in wars for oil started by it's corrupt but democratically elected leaders. The nation that was falling apart socially as more and more groups got the vote instead of getting stronger. America was a walking corpse by the time Timmerman arrived and though he tried his best the system was terminally ill and he got hung. The nation founded By Washington refined by Jackson and Strengthened by Teddy died in 1932. The America you'll bring back will last maybe a few decades until it collapses for the same reasons it did before. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. You must be insane if you think we can bring back the old America and hope it stands on it's own. We have no right to merely kick the can down the road and waste this golden opportunity to fix the problems of old America. Finally we can end the corruption and greed bringing a new age. We may not a be a government by the people anymore but by god we will be a government FOR the people and Larping as a bunch of Lolbertarians isn't what made America Great. The New Dawn of America rests on the Shoulders of Nathan Oman and he is the man who will not only be capable of leading the country but the man who will be willing to make the hard decisions necessary to keep it together once the dust settles.
>>1840428what defines a good president then?he agress with what you think?what about americans who disagree with you? dont they deserve a say?military dictatorship is a bad idea. vote suppression is a bad idea. just let america be america. sure its got flaws, but everything does.you path just leads to oppression. maybe not now or tomorrow, but some day Americans will wake up in a land where the free and the brave bow their heads to one man, their wills shackled to his.may lady liberty be blinded ere she sees that terrible dawn.
>>1840441A good leader isn't someone who agrees with you it's someone who is just as willing to give everything including and up to his life for the cause that he leads. Nathan Oman shows this trait and this is why he should be made President for life.
>>1840441>what defines a good president then?One who's country has a good economy, good unemployment, healthy economy overall, willing to give his life for the cause, gives up his personal freedom and time for the country, willing to take risks, and is successful in almost every venture he has.If a majority of the population doesn't want Oman, then they won't get Oman. It isn't your say, but the American people. We'll just have to wait until we get to that point
>>1840442If you're willing to give up everything except control over the nation then you're not a president you're just a man with an obsession and a need for power. you policies are textbook fascism. i know thats a buzzword, but in this case it fits to a tee.
>>1840428>>That's why we're getting rid of that problemyou can try but i promise you i and other anons will fight you every step of the way. you have stated you plans for america and we have stated ours. i don't think there is anything left to say.>>1840440i understand you have given up on america and have convinced yourself that dictatorship is Americas only hope. i and others disagree and will fight you ever step of the the way.as long as i and another have a say we will not let you two destroy this nation.
>>1840455>i don't think there is anything left to say.No, I don't think there is.
>>1840844well we could hurl insults and personal attacks at one another. jerk
>>1840883C U C KUCK
Hey guys, I'm stuck in labor day traffic because some asshole decided to flip a semi. It's not looking like I'm going to get home tonight, so My Father's Country will resume this weekend with a new thread. It'd be awesome if one of you could archive this one, otherwise hopefully I'll get to it sometime this week
>>1840935All good, be safe Lop. Some Saudi's rear-ended me today as well.
I'm kinda disappoint at how the Chinese just up and surrendered like that. Was expecting the fighting to turn in favor of the Indians and forcing the Chinese to sue for peace after considerable losses in ground and military power.One thing I want to add is we should throw in is adapt one of chile's policies of avoid deficit spending in its Constitution. Except maybe in times of war and major projects with consent from the people and approved by congress, such as a space elevator.
Also I think Oman can pull a Roosevelt and go for like 16 years under special circumstances to stabilize the country.Alternatively we can rule behind Mather's, then after his 2 terms, we go for 2 terms ourselves.
We need to chip Cass before Ben comes back. Her getting shot was way to close of a call.
>>1840935https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNio-3fDa8cPsst..Lop...ya'll got anymore of them...*scratches neck*...secret weapons?
We need to rewrite the constitutionA new continental congressA new pantheon of founding fathersA new American order
>>1845246yeah no, we are here to restore america not reshape it.
>>1846111restore first, then make simple foxes and changes.
>>1846111Restoring america won't workThe same things will happen again and america will fall, againYou can't just revive the roman republic and them change nothing about the governing system and expect no problems to come out of it
>>1847129bingo. Lets talk though, not with feelings but the most cold logic we can about it.We want America back. We don't want an immitation of America. We want people to have a great quality of life, and be proud of their nation, and be fiercely loyal to their nation. We want them to have all the freedoms assured to them.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights covers everything right there.Our biggest flaw in modern america is a corrupt system that has allowed non residents and dead residents to vote. People feel entitled to break the law when it suits them, and the concept of Cultural nationalism has sufferedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_nationalismWe allowed hostile foreign elements to "invest" in our nation, our media, and even our food.I can go on for a while.I wont worry so much about the Individual rights as I will how to maintain them----All politicians must have served in the military.All political appointments are term limited.All political appointments can be fired for fail to properly represent the people.All political appointments carry a penalty of public death for malicious corruption-malicious corruption being defined as deliberate acts, either by design, or by carelessness, that impact: the well being of the citizens/ civilians of the untied states. Undermine the global sovereignty of the united states. Allow deliberate and subversive foreign influence into the United states.-Deliberate and subversive- that influence which is designed to not appear as a political message, but is, and is done so deliberately. see: politicians masquerading as comedians, EU donations to 2016 elections or funded commercials.Basically, if you are in power, and you fuck up, you die. Being in power is a duty, and a temporary one, not a life style. You dont get any special benefits from it because you have your military benefits. You don't have to serve in the military, but you also dont get to exist in certain positions. The military would be overhauled to encourage all members of the US to join for a minimum of 4 years, where skills would be cultured, as well as an appreciation of American Nationalism.pic related: Fucking printed human copies and space travel.
>>1848110Nah, Public Execution should only be allowed for the most severe crimes, like that president in South Korea who was controlled by some weird corporate group, not just incompetence. Also, we still need to talk about a permanent competent president, i.e. OmanYou obviously have some radical ideas so it isn't too far out to think about it....
>>1848271There is also the problem that people could be blackmailed into corruption since they already are entrapped in a situation where they are going to be executed, so they must go alone with further covering their asses and doing more corruption since to not do so end up with them being killed.It should be one of the things that COULD carry a death sentence if found guilty of all charges or w/e, but it should be left up to jury and judge/supreme court along with the possibility of lesser charges.
>>1848410the correct response for blackmail is immediate disclosure of the truth. A life lived with the following yields no dark secrets. Guy wants to get on you about freaky bedroom antics, come out, fess up, step down with dignity, and name him as well for his attempt. Being purely mechanical here, not preachy. People dont like being told what to do, or how to feel, but there is a way to get by in life that's not too hard, even for dictators. They may not allow anyone else but themselves to be judged, but they execute it. In a way, our good General exhibits all of the following and remains true to himself.integrity-the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.accountability-the fact or condition of being accountable; responsibility.fortitude-courage in pain or adversity.dignity-a composed or serious manner or style.-a sense of pride in oneself; self-respect.This is not a story about a bad man in a good world.
>>1851925I'm saying giving only a death sentence could make things worse than help, so there should be conditions where you get a lesser sentence instead of death, and why it should be worded that you could receive the death sentence for what the crime is.
>>1848110>>1851925Exactly. The New America will avoid the corruption of the old America through this system which will be enforced by Protector and President of the United States for life Nathan Oman who's duty to protect this country shall be renewed every time he dies thanks to our cloning technology.
>>1852782Instead of declaring ourself dictator, we could always run as the main candidate in both parties every time. We could print our brain in two completely different looking bodies and rig both of the primaries. Do it like the shadow government does today except better because it's always Oman who is actually competent. Who the fuck is going to believe that these two completely different looking guys who are up for election are both actually the military general who reunited the country? That would take some serious tinfoil to come up with. Plus we have the added benefit of an eternally loyal staff.
>>1852990hahahahah that's actually a great idea. I wouldn't mind if that's where we go.
How about instead of eternal dictator, we just make a new federal bureau, led by oman,focused on keeping the american poltical enviroment free of corruption, while keeping said bureau a secret
>>1854718Bureau of un-american activities.BUAC.HOUSE COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIEShttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee
>>1852990kek thats great