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War, war never changes.

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Last Thread
>>1809111

You are the Courier. And you are currently trying out a new pair of Power Armor, gifted from the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel. While your nation grows at home, you have to make some hard choices for the betterment of your people. You net yourself yet another, even greater miracle of the Old World, for a price you were willing to afford.
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You have allowed the Brotherhood Reavers to analyze and copy your BigMT Augments in exchange for the following gifts personally to you.

>>1816138
>Hover Bikes - A hoverbike with small rocket propulsion capabilities,used by both the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel and in greater numbers by the East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

>Brotherhood Midwestern Power Armor - Built to be superior to the old Paladin Version, and made specifically for mass production from classified facilities.

>Echo-Boy - These special detection devices improve the ability to detect large concentrations of metal, which can be used both for salvaging opertions and for defense

>Vault Water Purifier + Chips (Blueprints): Vault sized Water Purification Filters. It isn't enough to filter whole rivers or lakes, but can sustain Vault sized populations. Effectively one of these should work for your population at BigMT
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ALERT!

The new Medium Steel Mill and assorted factories have passively produced 12 new Loader Squads

BigMT has exhausted ALL its Scrap Steel and Fissile Material.

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STATS HERE

>BIG MT
https://pastebin.com/jAXYFRB1

>THE NURSERY
https://pastebin.com/ic3ac1xL

I'm transitioning to Pastebin Stats. Personallly, they're harder to navigate than posting on 4chan but sort of necessary otherwise the thread would be bloated.

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An additional town has upped your action cap!

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
+Biological Research does not count toward cap
>>>>>Turn: 116
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>>1816408
We were also going to go home, stopping to pick up a missionary and drop off the chickens at Utah.
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>>1816424
>Hero.
Assuming we've already gone home.
-Go bach to New Cannan to learn more about Christianity and to bring back a Missionary.
-Go deliver a teleporter to the Nursery as detailed in >>1815125 Bring space saucer parts.
Anything else anons want to add?
>Civ.
Gather Steel and Fissile.
>Construction.
Start constructing a large solar farm/tower.
>Military.
I dunno.
>ZAX.
Support construction of the large solar farm/tower.
>Robot research.
Research Spiderbots, they should be able to climb and cling to vertical surfaces and can camouflage themselves.
>Biological research.
Better plants for subterranean farming.
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ALERT!

Also this month is founding day
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>>1816451
Alright, add
-Celebrate founding day.
To our Hero action.
Can't believe i forgot that.
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>>1816450
Millitary
-Parade?

Qm We have an excess of Brahmin, how about a Festival / Feast type thing?
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>>1816460
Add Parade to our military action please QM.
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>>1816424
>Hero.
Assuming we've already gone home.
-Go back to New Cannan to learn more about Christianity and to bring back a Missionary.
-Go deliver a teleporter to the Nursery as detailed in >>1815125 → Bring space saucer parts.
-celebrate founding day
>construct
engineering HQ
>civ
gather metal and fissile

>ZAX research
tunnelers- incorporate the echoboy plans if need be
>research
neurological research that the followers wanted
>Biological research.
Better plants for subterranean farming.
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https://pastebin.com/GMfdS7Z3

List of things we have to do for big things.
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Hold it right their faggots. What about the long range satellite and building of this long range satellite?

If we want to get that Mass fusion we should get going with this.
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>>1816460
>Qm We have an excess of Brahmin, how about a Festival / Feast type thing?
Everyone would like that
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>>1816473
The Nursery apparently has a Coms Sat.
QM can that Com Sat reach the commonwealth?
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>>1816476
Qm are we a go for second construction action or do we still need to put in work for it?

To anon from last thread that was asking about Pastebin that I apparently missed here it is https://pastebin.com/Q6p6Zymr Bear in mind its pretty outdated. Ive been spending too much time at work to keep it updated.
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>>1816476
Alright, let's do that.
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>>1816450
Altering this slightly.

>>1816424 #
>HERO
Assuming we've already gone home.
- Start a chicken farm with our eggs
-Go bach to New Cannan to bring back a Missionary and give copies of our book.
-Go deliver a teleporter to the Nursery as detailed in >>1815125 → # Bring space saucer parts.
- Celebrate Founding day with family

>CIV
Gather Steel and Fissile from Divide via train.

>CONSTRUCTION
>ZAX
Assist the ZAX's auto-effort to get a second construction action.

>MILITARY
Surround the large glowing section of the Divide with our forces. Set up multiple kill zones with tank/artillery cover. Use our new supermutant troops to lure out the irradiated beasts sporadically to be killed.

>Robot research.
Continue tunelling robot research. Maybe by incorporating a flat disinitgration field on the front, we could make digging easier

>Biological research.
Better plants for subterranean farming.

>Passive production
Construction Loaders
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>>1816473
We do have Diana's satellite right now, but cold fusion is closer and easier to get then the slogg in the commonwealth. Right in the divide infact. Once the tunneler is done we can go in, disable the defenses and suborn whatever technology they have. Even just pluggin into the grid that powers the emp rockets woul;d be a bounty.
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>>1816489
support this actually.

We should let the Mormons handle the chicken farm. They have the ecology for it.
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>>1816489
God dammit i forgot passive production!
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>>1816490
My sweet Anon just think of the IC reasons to go to the Commonwealth. It something our hero can do next turn
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>>1816489
Ill support this. Can we tack on >>1816476
to it?
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>>1816489
Supporting.
Speaking of the Commonwealth, how many turns until the start of Fallout 4 QM?
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>>1816499
That depends
>They think I'm going to confirm or deny any deviations to the timeline
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>>1816489
This with getting some beef.


I'm going to be a unhappy Anon if we keep waiting to build the satellite to go visit the Commonwealth

>>1816499
Less than a year
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>>1816503
Oh yeah, Arthur is King, not Elder, things are going differently.

>>1816499
But if I recall correctly, the game begins in a year and a bit.
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>>1816503
Oh.
Well then, we're gonna have to go there as soon as possible.
Can you please answer >>1816485
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>>1816485
>Diana
"Yes, bar any sort of jamming or interference though it is attuned to very specific frequencies."
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>>1816489
Roll me 3 1d100s!
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>1816526
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>>1816523
Next turn then!
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Rolled 28 (1d100)

>>1816526
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Rolled 35 (1d100)

>>1816526
Nat 100
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>>1816526
OP, give us more detailed info of the new power armor
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>>1816528
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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>>1816489
>>CIV
>Gather Steel and Fissile from Divide via train.
With what robots are left in the divide, Huge amounts of steel are gathered as well as some fissile. Now making their way in the same turn to BigMT!

>Robot research.
>Continue tunelling robot research. Maybe by incorporating a flat disinitgration field on the front, we could make digging easier

>CEO
"Vehicles"

>MAJOR
"Soldiers"

>CEO
"Vehicles."

>MAJOR
"Soldiers!"

>CEO
"Vehicles!"

>MAJOR
"SOLDIERS!"

And the debate goes on, but so does research.

A pure disintegration drill wasn't feasible as it tended to also disintegrate the disintegrator at point blank, however, disintegration to help clear away debris and soil proved a major step forward.

The first prototype of a maneuverable medium sized drill robot is complete! It can crawl on four legs, and drill from point a to point b. It can dig through soft sand best, and through rock very slowly (and only forwards) but its pure proof of concept.

But still the issue of communications. For now, it must be pre-programed with set orders until it can surface again.
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>>1816563
I want vehicles. I see z transport APC that drills up from the dirt and spews out a squad of men.

Then we can get something with a little firepower, for clearing rats from tunnels..
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>>1816563
Alright, next turn we research the Echo-Boy, mostly how to make more and if we can make it detect unmined metal.
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>>1816574
We have the plans presumably. So we can incorporate them into the tunnelers for navigation.
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>>1816563
Is the Brotherhood power armor Superior to power armor we have currently?

Or is it just very good power armor that can be made?
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Anyone have any ideas how to fix the Subterranean communications?
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>>1816591
Short of stringing up wire behind the tunneler, not really.
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>>1816591
Throw more research at it.
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>>1816598
Guess well have to go with my subterranean messenger bots idea.
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>>1816489
>>Biological research.
>Better plants for subterranean farming.
Diana reluctantly agree's to do research for you. She's still not 100% on board with the idea, but really can't resist. You are noticing subtle hints that she is loosening up though, mostly by the way her holographic body acts around you.

It turns out rather than modifying the plants, modifying the enviornment can be just as effective.

She theorizes the most efficient color of lighting for underground farms, which just so happens to be the exact same frequency as the Light Switch 02. "Seed gestation and cellular reproduction of plants is improved with this lightwave."

Thus you import her programming to the Nursery. You wonder if its the light and hologram playing tricks on your eyes, but is she staring at you when she thinks your not looking? When you turn to look, she vanishes.

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She also designs highly efficient growth platforms which can store several layers of plants at a time, and starts modifying certain plant types specifically suited for fast, underground growth. As a bonus, they produce a lot of fresh oxygen.

"These would be very suitable for space gardens in spacecraft."

>Your underground farms, when built, will be improved!
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>>1816569
Shit yes this, we will need an army of these for the future
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>>1816591
Research long range satellite and steal research from MIT.

we could you know...

>>1816598
>>1816601
Can someone look back at the reward Diane was giving before we boon? Since we should all of them.
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>>1816610
Thank you Diana, even if you didn't want to.
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>>1816610
Fuck. We really need to build those underground farms
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>>1816610
Also I'm noticing you are posting faster than before. So I want to say thanks
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>>1816618
Here, I put it on the current to-do list
https://pastebin.com/GMfdS7Z3
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>>1816618
With the Nursery's 2 HUGE power plant's we could generate the resources needed for the farms there.
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>>1816624
Once we get the teleporters up we could see about keeping a constant wormhole or something going. WORHOLE XTREME!!
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Fucking bugs everywhere, i just squashed a third one on my fan.
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>>1816616
You've actually been toying around with the mechanical aspects of her predicament.

If for example, the Brain or James-Bond gives her an order, she says no If they say you ordered it, or you give the same order, she pouts and then does it.

>>1816624
There's more farms in the Nursery than needed to feed three times your total population everywhere. Though a huge portion of it is infested with nasty thigns like carniverous plants or angry wildlife.
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>>1816633
>There's more farms in the Nursery than needed to feed three times your total population everywhere. Though a huge portion of it is infested with nasty thigns like carniverous plants or angry wildlife.
Eh, those Carnivorous plants can be converted to Salient green too so i don't see the problem.
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>>1816633
We get a stable teleportation link up and we won't be wanting for food. Even during a siege.
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>>1816591
Incorporate a brain?

Also I'm a vehicle fan, the sub sounded good.
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>>1816636
Man i can't wait to get combat capable Subterranean vehicles/robots, we can then begin to set so many underground farms and colonies.
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>>1816633
Also i think you mistook what i said, i was talking about generating metal and fissile.
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>>1816637
I was thinking of making them human driven, but that can work too.
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>>1816404
About the last thread and your retcon. I chose not to post earlier, as to have a bit of thought time and I don't want to just abandon the quest lightly.

Have to say I can't really enjoy the meaningful choices anymore, as it feels that you are catering to a small segment of readers who 'just want everything to be shiny and goody'.

There is no real reason to participate to decision making anymore, as any "controversial" choices voted by the majority (as majority as it can be here, anyway) will simply be retconned. Like was done now.

Your quest doesn't feel meaningful anymore, as choices don't really matter.
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>>1816649
Nice meme.
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>>1816649
The shitfest was never about our choice for me, it was about our character.
The chip is still cannon, QM just posted about it, he just retconned the dialouge.
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>>1816649
The retcon wasnt about the choice, it was about the dialogue in the choice.
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>>1816489
>>CONSTRUCTION
>>ZAX
>Assist the ZAX's auto-effort to get a second construction action.
The ZAX begins his next ambitious project, a massive expansion to the Chinese Factory. Copying elements of the Chinese methods, and incorporating lessons from the robot factory, it is an expansion to the Robot Factory which promises the ability to not only produce vehicles, but also service and maintain them!

It's halfway built, thanks to the new Steel Mill and everything else but the structure is already more ambitious than anything you've built so far.

Actually BigMT is starting to run out of above ground space, and also we're going to need more power because this thing is going to take up more power than we already have
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>>1816661
Knew it, we need to build the solar farm.
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>>1816663
Also BigMT is running out of above space. And solar farms uses lot of space I guess we can build them outside.
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>>1816665
We can begin using the tunneling robot to expand our underground caves, then just build stuff down there.
Or we can just start building in one of our outposts.
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>>1816649
I admitted a mistake in character judgement of skills "charisma" which was off putting as well as the dialogue was poor choiced.

But the end result is effectively the same.

While the dialogue itself is not canon, her feelings are the same and you are still effectively manipulating her mind and psyche to keep her in line.

It's going to happen whether she wants to or not (and eventually, both of you know she will "want" to). Its an inevitability even if she hates you right now. So why bother petty resistance when she can accept it protect her children.

She is afraid that her emotions aren't real, and tries to be angry or at least annoyed at you long as she can to hold onto whats left of her identity and self. She still can't actually disobey you.
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Rolled 38, 16, 63 = 117 (3d100)

>>1816675
In essence the Courier is intelligently and emotionally manipulating her to ensure her obedience and in the long run her willing loyalty.

>>1816489
I'll leave the Military Action for last.

>-Go deliver a teleporter to the Nursery as detailed in >>1815125 Bring space saucer parts.

Hmm
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>>1816683
No rolling? You are rolling for the enemies right vs our 3 rolls for the turn.
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>>1816683
You dart through canyons, over rivers, through ravines, in between rocks. Anyway you can avoid the BoS (or for that matter, any MLA) RADAR

And so far, it doesn't appear you have been spotted or watched.

Good thing too, you were carrying something REALLY big. A giant vehicle sized, uh, vehicle! Your prototype design for an infantry movement machine.

You wonder if its range will reach BigMT, theoretically it should. Both the Tesla Function and the Portal Network theoretically have ranges more infinite than the universe for their effects, as the Portal Pad folds space time, but the issue is the transmission of data to make transfers possible.

With Diana's satellite however, it should be feasible. You'll have to test it once you are there.

>con't
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>>1816657
I must have missed the retconned dialog. Could someone repost it please?
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>>1816722
lets not and say we didnt.
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>>1816722

>>1815371
>>1815551
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>>1816704
Okay, so the thing turns on. Back at BigMT your scientists report the Tower recognizes successful connection.

There's one pad here, and one pad there.

The only thing to do is test it.

You've never teleported anything this far.

>Send yourself in!
>Send a volunteer in!
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>>1816731
>Send yourself in!
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>>1816552
I'll give you more details on the power armor, gimme a sec
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>>1816731
>Send something in.
Something for our Founding day, like rare meat.
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>>1816734
A turkey!
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>>1816734
Supporting turkey
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>>1816734
I'll go with the turkey, it was almost chosen to be America's bird.
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>>1816731
>Send yourself in!

or something else, like a small animal or something similar
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writing
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>>1816734
According to ancient history, every "Thanks Giving Feast" day, Americans would eat a "Turkey". A giant feathery bird with a red chin and a big fluffy tail that would go "Gobble"

Nobody has tasted a fresh turkey in 200 years, the closest thing you've ever had was dried turkey packets.

You ask Diana to clone one, and sure enough, she releases it for you to see.

You wonder why they call it "gobble" thats not the sound it makes at all. . .

Something about a lot of old world animals, is they act rather stupidly. This thing just waltzs around, unafraid of predators or you, just making a click-clucking sound and occasoinally attempting to fly away from you.

It can't even fly, it just jumps. You run up and grab it, and throw it into the portal.

You have a small chuckle as you hear the raucous going on the otherside, your scientists absolutly terrified and bewiledered. Only Cass, who happened to be there, had the sense to trap and catch the thing.

Janith Kindertgarden is delighted that you have rediscovered Turkey, and intends to prepare it as a dish just for you and your family!

Evidently, the portal works!
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>>1816761
>Janith Kindertgarden is delighted that you have rediscovered Turkey, and intends to prepare it as a dish just for you and your family!
Nah, everyone can have a slice.
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>>1816761
Use the portal now its safe!
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>>1816762
We're going to need more than one turkey to feed over 300 people

Anything else we want to transport through before we go home? A doge, cat, or maybe a cow.
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>>1816726
No, I mean the retconned dialog. Or is that the retconned one?
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>>1816648
The idea was to 'loan' them to the MLA.

Making them human driven would allow them to keep them or copy the design. Robots hinder that process.
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>>1816774
That's the one.
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>>1816768
we have SUPERCOW!

but dogs would be useful. Perhaps a certified bald eagle for the america connection? Perhaps even horses/sheep?
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>>1816777
>The idea was to 'loan' them to the MLA.
This has a disintegrator though, unless you plan to give them one that has swapped the disintegrator with a normal drill.
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>>1816783
Keep in mind that not only to we have to feed those animal but are being spyed upon by the NCR, suddenly having a bunch of old world animals never seen after the war will raise their interest.
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The Brotherhood of Steel's Advanced Power Armor comes as a major shock.

It is, in most respects, the equal of the Remnants Power Armor, as that in itself was the Enclave's original Advanced Power Armor their very best, but it achieves this while weighing 3 pounds less.

You deduce from this that their MP version of Power Armor is either equal or superior to the standard Brotherhood West Coast power armor as well.

If the Brotherhood Midwest are already mass producing even average power armor, and have a vast recruitable populace plus a numerically superior robot army, that is a very very scary thought.
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Wait guys.

Didn't we make perfect clones of the reavers? Shouldn't that mean we analyzed and replicated their augments too? Seeing how they were best of the best, they should have the best military grade augments...

OP, are you cucking us again? We should have gained about half a dozen new augments from that. At the very least the better eye augments.

Also, we should get ALL the tech that Diana has. Please make a list of things we gained from here.

And what happened to their weapons and armor?
I really hope that we disabled or removed most of their augments. I swear, I see a prision breakout looming.
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>>1816783
Well if we bring a horse back with us. It will send a powerful image to our people. Just imagine it, us riding into town with a horse just in time for founding day.

Our ship is still here, so I guess we can park it here for now. If we want to go the Commonwealth or go exploring.
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>>1816789
Good thing we can now research that power armor and Cannibal Johnson's to make our own improved version!
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>>1816793
We also have what we traded with the BoS for, which i certainly want to research in depth too.
How about QM writes up a quick description of the stuff we got later when this turn is finished?
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>>1816793
If you look back of the thread before you'll see we should get all the tech she was offeting. And for the augs of the Reavers I feel we need to do a research action for it.
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>>1816793
Needs research to get their augments.

>Please make a list of things we gained from here
Thats quite a lot anon, but the buildings should explain themselves. The repository and cloning facility for example.

Also the "perfect clone" were also partly the result of boon usage, you may not likely get the same results on a regular basis. At least for humans.
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>>1816788
Let them be interested. We haven't broken any of our agreed upon treaties.

I wouldn't mind them being jealous for once, instead of us just pissed off at our stolen tech
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>>1816789
3 pounds less? That's like nothing...

>>1816778
If that's the retconned one how the hell did the original look like?
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>>1816795
Especially with all the cowboy culture / references in New vegas. Would be a big hit I think.
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>>1816806
I see


I meant list of new techs we got.
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>>1816811
That is the Original that was retconned. No New dialouge was given. You are encouraged to just imagine the conversation the way you would have wanted it to go.
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>>1816809
Alright then i guess.
>>1816811
Ah, you misunderstand, there's no new dialogue, the retcon is just that dialogue not being Cannon.
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>>1816765
You step into the portal

And find yourself back at the top of the THINK TANK!

SUCCESS!

>you now have instant teleportation to the Nursery, limited to large humanoid sized objects and only a single man at a time

>con't

---

As for the tech there is a lot of it. Like, really. Wow. You're better off jut asking for certain things you think a nature specialized person might have.
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CHOOSE:
>>The Cure for Cancer - You don't currently have this and your scientists weren't even sure it were possible!
>>An Animal Companion - Trained and friendly
>>A superior Farming Algorithim for Mr. Howdys and all robot farms for superior production
>>A gene inducer to reduce plant water needs

>>You
>(Yeah, I definitely wanna figure out how to handle those hologram 'bounties')

>---

>"Return to me with items of trade, and a member of your people, and perhaps my bounties may flow to you again"

>---

>>Ask Diana about the illness she had cured.
>"A terrible disease called the New Plague. It was rampant many decades ago, until I spread the cure. I pray it has not returned."

>>Linux
>"With the Brotherhoods efforts, we will ensure that never happens Goddess."

>>She gives you the cure
>+New Plague Cure

>Diana gives you a way to contact her via her personal satellite


Tl:dr
New plague cure
Gene thing to reduce water needs
Cure for cancer
Farming algorithm for robots
Could get a animal compaion

What we get from this place + the location OP already posted in pastebin.
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still awake, still here, still writing
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>>1816839
passing out. you guys have a good one. Thanks for running qm.
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>>1816469
>-Go bach to New Cannan to bring back a Missionary and give copies of our book.
You return to New Canaan.

Zion remains, peaceful and protected, and New Zion as well.

You return to see Daniel, and your follower both of whom are pleased to see you.

You bring more copies of the book, but Daniel has to interrupt you.

>Daniel
"Your book is interesting Courier, it's got a lot of words to be had on the state of the world. Truth be told we don't get much news here, so it was quite the read for some.

But I'm afraid there's something we gotta talk about.

This idea, that the 'family' is 'open to interpretation'. Well, to be frank and honest, it is sinful to us.

The Lord said that "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

I'm afraid we can't really endorse a book like that. Out of respect for what you've done before, you are always welcome here, but we can't allow your book."

>Tell them you understand, and still ask them for missionary work.
>Bah. If they don't want your book, you don't really need their book either. This is just more tribal nonsense
>Other?
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>>1816849
>Tell them you understand, and still ask them for missionary work.
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>>1816849
>Bah. If they don't want your book, you don't really need their book either. This is just more tribal nonsense
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>>1816849
>Tell them you understand, and still ask them for missionary work.


OP, just wanted to say that despite your occasional flaws, you're definitely one of the most dedicated QMs I've ever seen. You give us a lot of agency and you respect criticism. Not to mention you running every day for this long.

So thanks, QM
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>>1816849
>>Tell them you understand, and still ask them for missionary work.
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>>1816849
>>Bah. If they don't want your book, you don't really need their book either. This is just more tribal nonsense
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>>1816852
I try to make this quest both interesting for you and me. If things get cocked up, feels bad on this side too.
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>>1816850
>>1816852
>>1816854
3
>>1816851
>>1816854
2

Anyone wanna vote now or forever hold your peace.

--

>Int
Hmmm.

You have a number of homosexuals in your nation, and people whose doors "swing both ways"

You get the feeling the Christianity religion might end up ostracizing them.

At the same time, while these Christians believe in multiple wives which justifies your practices, somewhat, they also believe in multiple "wives". You're only actually married to one.
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>>1816857
Locked, writing
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>>1816861
>>1816857
OP can you give us a turn count for how long until we can unfreeze the next guy from the alien ship?

It's been some time since that last guy, like 5-6 turns who still never do anything. Take your time.
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>>1816850
>>1816852
>>1816853
They offer to send two of their missionaries, and hope that perhaps their families might also come to live in your city.

The two men seem to have no fear leaving their home for a land so far away, and in fact, it seems missionary work is a necessary part of their religion for all men. Though not women.

+2 Mormon Missionaries

>>1816868
That guy seems to be in a major depression, longer than the others. But, hopefully he recovers.
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>>1816857
This will blow up in our face in time. When the people start thinking in a way that is not in line with us there will be problems. I realize there will always be extremists but this could, without proper management, go the way of the sparrows in GoT (admittedly, an extreme example).
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>>1816875
>That guy seems to be in a major depression, longer than the others. But, hopefully he recovers.
What is his problem and what genre of music does he play? We never found out.
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>>1816879
What's GoT?
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>>1816880
Something like this, I hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moag4Xf498c
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>>1816880
Maybe he's suffering for going cold turkey, or just it's a lot for him to take in

>>1816882
GoT = Game of Thrones
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>>1816882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8
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>>1816886
>>1816889
Yea i don't watch game of thrones so i don't get that reference.
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>>1816893
I don't get it either.
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>>1816893
>>1816895
Religeous extremists were granted power so they effectively took over the capital. The situation became so dire that both the common people and some nobles were supporting them. It went down a rabbit hole of the pauper king of the zealots becoming the voice behind the king. It all ended when the secondlargest building in the city was blown up. All round bad when they were given power.

And I see how this could be a problem for us as well. Especially the extreme version of the religeon which would clash hard with our word views and the people in it.
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>>1816899
It was all going good until the incest mother decided to blow everything up.
It'll be alright anon, Christianity = Good

I would say something else, but I'm a bit tired.
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>- Start a chicken farm with our eggs
You start up a small chicken farm from the hatched chicks in your backyard, hoping they will grow into chickens. The little yellow and brown birds chirp a lot.
+personal chicken farm

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>- Celebrate Founding day with family
This founding day, there was hardly any time for celebration, but you pressed the need for "diligence and perseverane" among the people.

As a token reward, you have the BSR clone samples of the tropical fruit. Your people get to fumble around trying to eat a "banana" for the first time in 200 years.

As for you and yours, Janith Kindergarten has prepared a humble feast from the Turkey and all the fruits and veges you brought.

This feast would be worth a fortune at the Ultra Luxe! There are so many different flavors and textures and sweets you didn't dream possible. You and your wives and best companions enjoy the meal, along with your 4 year old children. Many of them are old enough to talk now, and view you as something like a hero.

But not so much a father. You feel a sad pit in your heart that you, while so busy in the pursuit of your nation, aren't always at home.

You hope Sam, wherever she is, remembers you too.

>>1816831
BTW you're going to need actions to apply these (general or research)
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>>1816904
I dont think having the ruling class bowing to a zealot pauper is a good thing. Especially if our version starts demanding tithes from citizens or that we change things to suit his ideals. That is a no go.

I hope everything goes nicely and we all become friends but I am not gullible enough for that. We have to monitor the situation.
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Rolled 70, 27, 56 = 153 (3d100)

>MILITARY
Surround the large glowing section of the Divide with our forces. Set up multiple kill zones with tank/artillery cover. Use our new supermutant troops to lure out the irradiated beasts sporadically to be killed.

Hmmmm
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>>1816907
No one said it was going to be easy but we have to keep on so all this doesnt fall to dust in the hands of our enemies.

Also, when our chickens start laying eggs, dont eat them but breed them until we have a big enough population to start a farm. I assume they are regular chicken so the input/output of resources should be more or less ok. Start dishing out "real chicken" to the populace for +morale and +loyalty.
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>>1816908
I agree that monitoring the religions is a good idea. Getting that catholic/orthodox priest will also be a good thing for bringing about the idea of denominations, so we can always pull a Henry VIII if we need to.
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>>1816909
Hmmmm

>>1816908
The idea was that we add the Mormons so the Hubs doesn't become the thing you are talking about.

Of course we're going to monitor things. I also want to defreeze the priest that is locked away in the alien ship.

>>1816910
Anon, we could just spend a action to just clone animals, and just teleport them back home. Much faster, and allow us to get more animals.
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>>1816912
Since we can't unfreeze the Priest currently, that's why we get the Mormons as a sub, until it's time.
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Riddick with Bounty PA
Cain with BoS PA
The Devils Brigade
Hazel with Bounty Hunter PA
Ed-E
2 MKV Hazard-Salvager Securitron Squads (5R)
2 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R)
11.5 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
8 Securitrons MKV Squads (8R)
5 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
1 LAER MKV Hazard (5R)
6 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads (10R)
12 Spy-Eye Bots Squads
1 Super Heavy Omni-Constructor
3 Universal Loader Squads
2 Heavy Hazard Bastion (5R) - {Light Mechinzed}
+1 ZAX Tankitron {Repuslor Hazard} {Medium LAER guided TESLA cannon}{Heat-Ray}

Just putting this out here for reference
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calculating the battle. Hope my anons are stil here.
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>>1816920
Yes
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>>1816817
>>1816818


I see.

... I don't have much of imagination and world have preferred a new dialog taking into consideration our preferences.
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>>1816913
Seems reasonable. I support the book then. Just as long as we keep a tight rein on things.
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>>1816923
Seems really a non-issue for me. Yes it was sub par but why get your panties in such a twist over it.

>>1816920
Its midday where I am so no problem.
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>>1816917
>3 Universal Loader Squads
You forgot the +12 loader squads

>>1816924
What book?
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>>1816923
>... I don't have much of imagination and world have preferred a new dialog taking into consideration our preferences.
I could make a fanfic, quality dialog and put it on pastebin for anons to see. Non canon of course
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>>1816913
Good points.

Next HERO action should be:
- Travel back to the Nursery for a GECK
and clone more old world animals to take back to BigMT
- Talk to Monero, Cass, Unity and our Brain about the ideas espoused in our book and their thoughts
- Spend some time with our children and associated wives; we've been away a lot recently
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>>1816926
No, I mean if it was retconned, I'd like to see a new version
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>>1816927
Mormon.

>>1816929
As long as it isnt waifu talk I would be interested in reading.
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>>1816930
- Travel back to the Nursery for a GECK
We don't have to go back to get a GECK, she can just teleport one to us.
Also why do we need a GECK?
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>>1816931
I understood you but that was more for the moralfag outrage earlier. If QM can deliver, good. If not, I dont see why we should spend more time on the issue.
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>>1816929
Do it
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>>1816935
Fair point.

The land around BigMT can't really be described as green or vibrant. If we want to start raising old world animals, we're going to need to terraform a bit of our local area.
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>>1816929
Do you want it to be canon? Thats how you make things canon.

Might be especially if its (realistically) manipulative as hell, like the guys in those 30 minute documentaries
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>>1816946
Eh, i want too keep our lands as desert tough, it's tough for armies to cross it on foot which is nice for us.
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>>1816935
>Also why do we need a GECK?
Because, if the legends are true, that would turn the blasted fucking wasteland of BigMT into a moist paradise? As in, if the legends are true, create entire lakes of fresh clean water? Make the weather rain fresh water?

That might, quite literally, possibly, even fix the Divide?
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>>1816927
Most of them are busy back home working
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>>1816950
But i like having territory that people can't normally survive in! It makes invading us harder!
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>>1816949
The desert is huuuuge. We spruce up the immediate area around BigMT. An oasis in the desert. The desert which we will fill with autoturrets, surveilance drones and traps. >>1816950
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>>1816955
But aren't we moving our crops underground?
I guess i can accept terraforming if we make sure it's contained on;y in BigMT and New Washington.
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>>1816949
It won't change the entire big empty, just the area right near us.

Also, it has a cold fusion power source (that we can reverse engineer) and a huge library of pre-war knowledge for our school.
>The GECK is intended to be "disassembled" over the course of its use to help build communities (for example, the cold fusion power source is intended to be used for main city power production), and so on. Anything else people needed, they could simply consult the How-To Books/Library of Congress/Encyclopedias in the GECK holodisk library for more knowledge.
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>>1816960
Well there you go. Get that going. IF there is a GECK for us to take.
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>>1816960
>Diana
"I may not have that model on stock, nor do I even have any GECK's right now.

There were at least two models of GECK, maybe more.

The Terraformation Model and the Civilization Reconstruction Model.

Ideally, a Vault would be equipped with both. One to bring life into the land, the other to allow humans to populate it. When the factory was working, it was focused on the former model.
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>>1816489
>MILITARY
>Surround the large glowing section of the Divide with our forces. Set up multiple kill zones with tank/artillery cover. Use our new supermutant troops to lure out the irradiated beasts sporadically to be killed.

A defensive perimeter is set up.

Mostly several vehicle concentrated areas surrounded by a layer of robots.

The idea to test the Super Mutants in actual combat by luring monsters is approved by Kreger, who says it would be good to get them trained in combat and learn squad based skills.

"I agree too" says a relativey young feminine voice, coming from someone whose height is scarcely above half of yours.

>You
[Unity? What are you doing here?]

>Unity
'Leading the Unity, of course. "

>You
[Oh? Did you bring forces from Baker? Or convert any marked men?]

>Unity
"Nope.

I'm here to lead the army of my father, the Master.

The Super Mutants."
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In other news, we REALLY need to do some heavy duty intelligence work on the NCR, as OP has been dropping some disturbing comments on this.
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>>1816984
What comments? i must have missed them.
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>>1816984
Once we finish with 2nd construction action. Then we will get SPI to do her thing. First we need to stop them from spying on us.
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>>1816984
Beyond the border spying?
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Does FEV come under biological research / does Diana know anything about the FEV?

We can get her to work with our Enclave President if she does.
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OP, are you kill again?
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>Do you want it to be canon? Thats how you make things canon.
Is that a challenge? Because I have something to show you.

https://pastebin.com/6CkVJ9vm

Yes, here is it. I try my hand at writing. It's early in the morning. I'm sleepy but I tried, to make it better than what OP did.

No hate appreciate. :^)
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>>1817001
That's great man

>Make America green again
Perfect
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>>1816985
When we mentioned the ncr is advancing faster than they should, OP said: "That does seem strange indeed..." or something to that effect. Might be my paranoia talking though.
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>>1817007
Thanks, I try to add all new lines of dialogue, and kept a few lines the same just changed. I hope this feels like a better alternative, for anons.

I get the feeling OP went to sleep, so he don't be able to see it, until later.
Non canon unless, OP say something about it.
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>>1817017
Yeah, I like how you incorporated the lines which OP used
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>>1817001
Too much trying to be white knight. If anything, the Courier understands hard choices and living with them. I dont oppose being kind but this is us basically begging for her to like us. She doesnt have to like us. She has to get that we dont really want her dead, just supporting us and ultimately this is best for the most people. Just replace the creepy lines from the original with calm and collected arguments and facts which she cant refute. Like the fact we will keep this place hidden and safe. That we will make make the wasteland green in due time and that we are ultimately here to help everybody if they dont fuck us.

>>1816983
Not really sure I trust her not to have split interests. We can give her a go after if Marcus isnt good enough. Otherwise I would like to keep her a spy/hero unit alone.

>>1816966
As per Fallout bible, the original GECKs were miracle machines used to set up the town of Vault City. This included soil and water changes, a reactor, building instructions and more. Basically you could turn a crap dune into a fertile field with a cold fusion reactor for lighting the whole damned thing and then some. If we are talking bethesda nonsense you come to a deus ex machina device that literally does magick. Uses internal replicators to literally transform the landscape. Either way we get a magitech McGuffin.

In the FBible it is stated that the difference comes from the fact that the lesser ones were "incomplete". So to speak there are not 2 variants but one design that had been partially constructed due to budget cuts or time constraints. However, all the versions had a cold fusion generator and vast databanks for guides, history, propaganda and such.
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>>1817027
I tired. I just wrote what felt more like the courier. Each person has there own idea of the courier. But either way thanks for the constructive criticism, now I go to sleep. While you euros have a good afternoon.
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>>1817034
Sleep tight, dont let the liberals bite.
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>>1817027
>>1817034

No, I think it's great, much better than what was before.
There's is nothing whiteknighty about it and everything manipulative. We are eventually doing what we were going to do anyway, we just framed it with nice words which get right reaction from her.
That's how max cha and speech should work. Getting your way and manipulating people but in way that they think it is a good idea.
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>>1817027
I am shit at writing but here is my interpretation.

https://pastebin.com/ihKftS2z

>>1817040
Ok, didnt think about it like that. That I would be fine with. What I dont like is us actually wanting to kiss her feet for something we knew had to be done.
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>>1817040
The way I was going was the white Knight stuff was just to manipulate her. He play around with her, see they will be equals and we can't do it without her. We could be it's just easier with her.

>>1817048
Yeah, I wasn't kissing her feet just for the hell of it. Just to smooth talk her into playing ball with us.

You idea is more simple, keeping it true what OP wrote by writing in differences. I'm even more tried to think of something to say.
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>>1817062
Yes, I get that now. my mistake. If we play the manipulative angle I am more than good with this. I just feared that, with the white knighting going on last thread, we would go down that route again.
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>>1817076
It wasn't white knighting. It was the dialogue being excessively and needlessly rapey, with a very thin justification. It was dialogue that would be considered derivative trash in a self-masturbatory rape-fic.
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>>1817096
Are you taking about the dialog that OP wrote or anon's fan-fiction?
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>>1817105
Laat thread. The dialogue that never happened.
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>>1817096
And I agree. It was bad and not something I would have the character say. I very much prefer the version this anon >>1817001 wrote. Especially since we are actually manipulating her not groveling to please her.

What I dislike is the giant shitstorm that ensued after the post by QM. The fact that the thread, instead of calm discussion and a solution to the issue devolved into name calling and labeling the whole thing as somehow the PC was Super-Rapist the Ever-Creepy. QM even stated that it was what the PC read from script and not what he actually thought. And I think the solution was god. Having it be a head-canon thing for people so they can set it in a way that is best for them. God knows we cant agree on everyhting (looking at you grey id anon, you moralfag you).
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>>1816649
You could've posted about the retcon earlier, about 2-3 were okay with keeping it, although late. Another 3-4 weren't from the looks of it.

>>1816408
>>1816037
>>1816100
Could we have also rolled for it and any better deals, or was that the roll for our military trade?
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>>1817117
Just because they provided a script doesn't mean it is the best choice to follow it. I would have prefered at least a choice between subtle manipulation and the Buffalo Bill's wild ride.


Also I'm grey ID anon. :(
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>>1817122
Yeah, we were a step away from Billy. This is why the head-canon and the new post that anon wrote are good alternatives to pshychokiller.

Also kek. You gave me such grief over the chipping thing. And it all worked out fine in the end. I think this was a point where the QM decided to just give us stuff since we would be up such deep a shitter otherwise that it would be unreal.
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>>1817123
Well, its over, the fanfic is fine, the original is retconned, we can continue on.
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>>1817117
I think 5 hours of arguing back and forth about betraying took their toll and people were kinda burned out for calm discussion.
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>>1817142
But what if we don't want to continue on?

>>1817145
This quest could be a great way of preparing people for Congress.
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>>1817148
As an european who watched from the sidelines, I kind of get the sense this is a good representation of the US election. Conservatives have arguments and liberals have feelings. And I know I generalize too much but watching the protester interviews painted such a pretty picture for me. And this is reflected here in the chipping argument. And absolutely, it was a bad thing that I would not want on anybody but if we have a choice like this you take it. We can feel guilty about it internally but the nation we represent depends on us to make the choices best for the people, not for an AI far away, not for the BoS but for our people. And this is such a case where the decision was clear.

Also, sorry for rambling. Was thinking this all through last night.
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>>1817153
That isn't to say that the american GOP isn't litigating based on feelings either. Look at their stance on marijuana, and lgbt, and healthcare among other things.
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>>1817153
>>1817154
For policies where both sides have maximum FEELINGS, take a look at the abortion arguments.

>>1816947
>>1817001
>>1817048
On the topic of the fanfics, were any of them for Diana's manipulation canon?
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>>1817123
Well yeah.

Whatever dialogue you guys treat as head canon, I hope you do appreciate that you're essentially violating the most inner essential being of a person and she knows it and it terrifies her, and she's not worshiping you yet.

You can rip someone's arm off. You can penetrate their body. You can kill, torture, or maim them but on the inside they are still themselves. They're in control.

Except now she's not. And no matter how much she hates it now and is supposed to hate you, a genuine feeling, she knows she's going to end up loving you soon.

Convincing her to give up now and roll with it (by whatever dialogue you offer her) is practical for getting her to obey your commands and fulfill, which you did, but not absolutely necessary either. But she still hates you a bit, which she does. For now.

So whatever the Courier would do to intelligently achieve that would be closest to canon.
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>>1817154
>>1817160
Not saying any side is perfect. The wall seems a frankly stupid thing and marijuana is far less harmful than booze but the feeling I got was from the protester interviews on feminism, racism and crap like that. Also how Trump was accused of being Hitler and so on. Extra points for email scandal on Hillary side.

>>1817160
Not canon, more what you like you take. QM said he might consider it but I think we have wasted enough time on this.
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>>1817166
>but not absolutely necessary either.
Well, I retract that. It actually is necessary to get her to play ball, at least even as a pretense. If she somehow managed to refute the feelings generated for her, there was a chance she might reject them entirely and detach herself from her own emotions.

This could have devastating consequences for an AI that previously believes in good Karma and being kind to her people, as she might end up rejecting those and operating on some sort of cold twisted logic devoid of human emotion real or fake. And it would make the entire chip worthless.

You needed to act somehow and you did.
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>>1817166
This is also a point why I think we should keep all our expensive stuff at BigMT and secure that shit very well. We too have a brain "out in the open" so to speak and if anybody gets to it we are fucked just like she is now. Just that while we want to make her our friend this might not be the case with our brain.

Also QM, I hope we wont start voting on this and just leave it for everybody to interpret as they see fit what the PC would act like to achieve the goal.
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>>1817170
In such a case can we shackle her some other way without a boon? Will we have warning?
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>>1817170
Is it possible to turn the chip off? Like one of those "yeah the chip was off for the past year, everything is on you girl." Type deals?

>>1817172
Yeah, lets just leave it and co tinue with the turn.
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>>1817177
Would be too big a gamble I feel. Maybe after years of loyal service and understanding that we are the good guys. Not just "feeling " it but having seen what we do and how we do it (just leave out any other mindslaving, brainharvesting, darkpowerdealing and so on). And even then, not really seeing why we would do that if she works fine as is and has no more problems with us.
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>>1817187
Just wondering if we can turn it off freely. It was more of an example of why we might turn it off.
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>>1817188
QM said we could. I dont see why we cant let it stay like this but yes we could if we wanted to.
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>>1817173
Unfortunately, it would be hugely unsafe to do so without a boon. But you do have a littler boon which will work.

Although, are you quite sure she'll be happy with the idea of more tampering to her being?

>>1817177
The recommended waiting period is 5 years, you suspect 3 years will be safe as you have a decent amount of CHA skills and are pretty sure you can catch her lying. She will probably act infatuated with you by 2 years.

>>1816983
>MAJOR
"Can someone explain to me what a fucknig kid is doing here?"

>Kreger
"Major, access one of the old securitron tapes. The one around when we conquered the outskirts of bigMT. Five years ago or so."

>MAJOR
"Accessing. . . well damn.

Welcome to the party Unity."

>Kreger
"Are you going to show off more of those powers? We could really use it."

>Unity
"Not this time, General.

I'm here to train my fathers people the way he would have done it. Leading them directly, as though he were standing right next to them. However, I'm also going to actually stand right next to them too."

>Super Mutant
"Yeah! We hear you New Master!"

>Super Mutant
"We're in the Master's Army Again!"

>Super Mutant
"Let's go kill things again"

Unity raises her hand, and the super mutants go quiet.

She then starts speaking. In a very weird way.

She repeats some of the lines three times in three different voices, her own voice, an angry voice, and a happy voice.

>Unity
"I am the Unity reborn (Reborn! reborn. . .), and one day, you will all be a part the unity again. One yet Many (Many! Many. . .) Many yet One (One! One. . .) And I will be your new Master.

Follow me! (Follow! follow. . .) we'll show those MLA mutants the glory of Unity reborn!"
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>>1816983
>>1817197
This is concerning. Do we have Marcus or Kreger to rein her in if she gets in over her head?
Also I wasn't expecting Unity to just walk in unannounced when we did this.
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>>1817197
Marcus, keep an eye on all this.
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>>1817197
Oh god dammit. Here we go again. Have SPI keep an eye on all mutie movements, any gatherings, any weird behaviour not seen before, anything. Also we keep an eye on Unity in case she decides to eat computers or starts growing extra eyes.
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>>1817197
Wait, MLA? I thought the glowing pit was wild deathclaws and stuff. Not Niner's people.
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>>1816831
Are we using clones of the Brotherhood Reavers, or did we mindwipe the originals or they forgot?

>>1816907
We don't celebrate Founding or Liberation Day with the Chinese? We should start doing that.

>>1817197
>>1817209
Wait, shit, this is going to get messy.
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>>1817206
>Marcus
"Well. . .she certainly sounds like the Master. I can hear her too, in my head.

I'll keep an eye out, but right now I don't think Unity means us any harm."

>>1817208
>James Bond
"Understood Executor. Will continue to monitor."
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>>1817209
>Unity
"The MLA are watching us, can't prove it but it seems logical. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure there are Super Mutants out there who can hear me.

Let's see if any of them remember what it was like to be part of a real army again."
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>>1817212
Ah. Dinner and a show, not shock and awe. Got it.
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>>1817208
If shit gets bad we can always just decide we go puritan. I mean we have the ability to create elite troops now (cloning our best men with parts from us and organs of use (adrenaline on demand, predisposition for implants and so on) hardcore training in VR pods and mental conditioning to make them loyal only to us personally. Think of pic related for a reference at these soldiers in enemy areas.

To set the mood...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wirkuuCjLCY
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>>1817215
>We get to make our own Republic Commandos.
>We can make our nostalgia real and take it to 11.
We totally should do this.

Also we should try to see if we can find any Zetan DNA later for this.

What'd you think of the game?
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>>1817215
And if that is too small, we can always push our main advantage...
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>>1817215
Actually, if we have advanced cloning now, we should be able to make brains on demand. Grow an adult, extract brain, recycle for new adult.
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>>1817221
Havent played in a long ass while and cant find the CD right now :D

Got stuck where you invade the droid factory and have to fight super battledroids. Those fuckers were brutal. I hope our bots inspire such dread in our enemies. The films didnt do them justice and dont get me started on the cartoon.
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>>1817215
The song is actually in mandalorian and fucking badass. We should strive to induce such fervor and loyalty in our troops as well. Especially the blackops/commando squads.
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>>1817215
I hate to burst your bubble anon, but you aren't alone in the pursuit of republic commandos.

>>1817197
The operation is quite the success.

Unity successfuly trains 6 Squads of Super Mutants (5M) and scores of radioactive corpse are collected. It helps that radiation heals them as much as it does the monsters.

But boy there are a lot of them, and they glow. The flamethrower tanks are working overtime just to burn them up.

+6 Squads of Super Mutants (5M)
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>>1817229
It's a good thing we seduced Unity, huh?

>I hate to burst your bubble anon, but you aren't alone in the pursuit of republic commandos.
Damn you, NCR!
When are we going to steal their research and corpses?
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>>1817229
>I hate to burst your bubble anon, but you aren't alone in the pursuit of republic commandos.
I know. That is why we improve on them in every way possible. From superior genetics from us and various engineered traits to subdermal comat implants to the best armor we can make (shields, stealth and more) and the best training we can come up with (VR under MAJOR, ops with the chinese and us) to make the Phoenix Commando the very best. I think we should set Diana on this task as soon as she has done everything she reasonably can for the underground farms.
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>>1817235
Eh. Lets just stick with robotics. Don't want to end up with a jack of all trades mess. Robotics has more possibilities than biology.
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>>1817221
Forgot I had it on Steam as well. This is almost as bad as Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines
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New Turn incomming
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>>1817237
We can have Diana do it while we focus on robots at BigMT. An extra ZAX is bound to give good results. Especially since it is a biology focus station. I mean common, we already have the cloning tanks and faster growth systems. We could even farm brains or manufacture citizens for ourselves. With this we can seriously start adding to our powerbase. Think of the possibilities, especially since our bots currently need a brain to think outside the box. Exactly what a commando needs to do. And when we invade the NCR you bet there will be a shadow war in the background. One we have to, at least, not lose at.
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>>1817243
>>1817243
Its a lot of infrastructure for something that serves little different purpose from what we have. Building incubators and learning facilities and training grounds for a clone army that is functionally similiar to our current robot army is rather pointless. Would be easier to just work on the human form robot frames we already have.

Harvesting brains is one thing, but creating clone commandos is rather unneccesary, even in shadow wars.
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>>1817249
No no. I never spoke about an army. We have the small scale facility up and running already. I suggest we use it to its fullest potential. Making highly specialized supersoldiers. Better than the NCR mutants in every way we can. I dont want hundreds, I am happy with a dozen squads of 4. That is not much infrastructure needed. The VR pods are useful anyway. When we expand we will also have to train more doctors and scientists. This can help with that as well. I simply suggest we start looking into elite soldiers for ourselves who can do the tasks nobody else can when we are not able to (like be in many places at once). At this stage it literally takes no more than allocating a research action at the biology center. And if we cant do that then we learn about making better brains. No loss either way.
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>>1817249
>>1817254
Hm. What if we used them and those elite droids to accompany the Courier or other companions on missions?
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Hey, don't forget to add these to your 2nd construction action to-do ilst

2 Corps of Engineering Companies. Consisting (each) of:
-1 Omni Constructor
-1 Large Crane + 1 Construction Protectron Squad + 1 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
-3 Chinese Military Bulldozers + 1 Construction Protectron + 1 Squad Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
-8 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Generalized) + 2 Construction Protectron Squad + 2 Universal Loader Squads
-12 Chinese Supply Trucks + 3 Construction Protectron Squad + 4 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
-20 Universal Loader Squads + 32 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
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>>1817257
Thats the idea. The droids dont need that much independent thought since they stick with us anyway but the Commandos
lets call them Project Deltas? :D
need to be smart themseves and they can get experience on our journeys. That is until we can totally convert to VR so no time is wasted on travel or eating. Just training to be the best.

>>1817258
What do you mean?
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>>1817258
And hoe much of those do we have already?
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>>1817262
Probably my pastebin with the tasks we need to complete for post scarcity, second construction and new new washington.
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>>1817266
Gotcha. Mind giving the link?
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>>1817267
https://pastebin.com/GMfdS7Z3
I'll change it tonight to add the manpower requirements.
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Huge Amount of Steel and Above Average Fissile Gathered.

Two levels of steel used for Building Construction

+12 Loaders Built
>CEO
"I no longer require additonal loaders at this time. Instead, I must request the passive action be used on a number of other robot designs."

ALERT!
Our Hexcrete has been exhausted!


STATS HERE

>BIG MT
https://pastebin.com/jAXYFRB1

>THE NURSERY
https://pastebin.com/ic3ac1xL

---

NEWS!

Niner has send a secret message, saying you should come over to the MLA soon. There will be a meeting of the War Lords and you are invited.

The tribals report Mother Diana seems withdrawn for some reason, and wonder why she seems sad. They are very concerned, and are praying for her health.

The Two Missionaries are, for the most part, at best ignored and at worst ridiculed. But they seem undaunted, and in fact, have a few converts. Meanwhile, Hubology is also becoming slowly more accepted, however there is an interesting development in that the most intelligent or well off people of your society prefer hubology, while the Mormons efforts are more effective at those not so wealthy or prestigious (there is no poor).

Action is needed to make good use of the new school according to some of your followers, but it can wait until we have construction actions free wit the Zax's Plan.

--

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
+Biological Research does not count toward cap
>>>>>Turn: 117
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>>1817263
-1 Omni Constructor (Each) [X]
-20 Universal Loader Squads [X]
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>>1817215
This reminds me of Brothers in Arms as well, come to think of it.
>>1817226
I managed to beat the entire game back then, but that was on easy mode. The only part that really had me uncomfortable was fighting alone, Delta squad was my safety net in that sense.

>>1817222
Huh. I never knew the Supreme Commander bots had faces like that.

>>1817238
What happened there?
What'd you think of that game?
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>>1817270
>4 Action Cap.
>>1817270
>ZAX
I thought the ZAX doesn't count under the action cap as well? Or at least anything related to robots?
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>>1817277
I've been on the fence with that. Eh, you know what go ahead and treat it as above cap.

Eventually when you guys get big enough, your double actions will combine an become National Actions, there will be less of them but they will be more powerful and wide reaching
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>>1817270
>civ
Get hexacrete
>construct
Build cranes

>hero
Go to the MLA i guess.

>research
Neurology research for the post scarcity guys

>zax research
Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

>bio research
Better farm plants

Passive contrsuct
Eyebot repair bots.
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>>1817275
>I managed to beat the entire game back then, but that was on easy mode. The only part that really had me uncomfortable was fighting alone, Delta squad was my safety net in that sense.
On normal and my buddies were down. Shit was so hectic its insane.

>>1817275
>What happened there?
Played four times now, seriously consider reinstalling again. Such a gem. Also try Arcanum, Morrowind and Empire Earth (the first, not the others).
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>>1817280
+1

Though I want Diana to tell us whether this >>1817215 is feasible in the short term (lets say half year to start growing soldiers).
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Also, when we make the light droids, what about this?

http://imgur.com/xlkSYPD
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>>1817215
>Diana
"My facilities were not designed to create super soldiers, though yes we can clone organs for implantation. Or humans, like the ones you brought into the world solely to kill and mutilate.

I was created to bring life, but if you want to twist me into destroying it, I will insist against it as much as I still can."

She seems disgusted and stares at you, face blushing.

>Brain
"Cloning is a very high risk task, but it is possible.

The safest way to do it would be to have them be raised as children, having them come out as fully grown adults with no previous life experience would be dangerous.

Do you really want more Courier's running around by the way? Do you consider yourself a very trustworthy, loyal person? This could be disasterous, perhaps the safest thing to do would be to implant chips on them as well."
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>>1817285
Now that's nice!

As much as I hate this movie, how about robots like these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR-hXMjHVtI
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>>1817293
No, but Kreger is.

I knew the negative Karma would bite us in the ass eventually
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>>1817293
>>1817296
It already bit us in the ass when Crypto was born. Dude was an evil genius spliced from us.
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>>1817293
Lets not push any terrible things for diana to do. Heavens know we need as many people as possible to act as a conscious.
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>>1817280
Give passive to ceo.
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>>1817299
Heh, you're lucky Diana isn't telling the Followers exactly what you did to her.

Or for that matter, the family of your officer that she is still alive ether.
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>>1817294
>As much as I hate this movie,
FUCK those deAntwood assholes and WHY did they have to make Chappy a pansy. It could have been glorious. But yeah, we can go that way. Just some builtin weapons too.

>>1817293
We wont copy ourselves. That ends badly. We choose the best soldiers we can find from amongst our best and add to the baseline traits we find favourable. Like radiation resistance, healing, NAT10 stats and more. On top of that we stack inconspicuous combat implants and rigorous training both in VR and in the wastes. The first ones we check and guide ourselves. If they are buggy we can think about chipping them. I personally feel we can condition them to be good enough with the right techniques and time.
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>>1817304
Agreed. Die Antwoord brings shame upon all of us South Africans. Really, I wish I knew how on earth they got into that film. It had such potential, and a pretty solid cast except for those idiots.
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>>1817304
>>1817306
I liked it admittedly but fair enough.
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>>1817280
Add these to hero action
- spend time talking/courting Diana
-spend time with our family and kids.
-go visit the Chinese and see how they are doing. Visit in-laws and Sam.
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>>1817310
Yeah sure. Add these to >>1817280
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Can you put all additions to a single post and revote it please?
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>>1817280
>>1817280
>>1817310

Oh, and build a crate of AA missiles and few launchers for trading. Maybe get Raul to help?
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>>1817313
Eh, our robotic and Chinese war factories should be able to throw something together.
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>>1817313
Junk or Old World AAs? I think we should make Junk AAs to start off then move onto Old World if we like them or what they're trading enough.
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>>1817293
Does she understand precision vs carpet bombing? Does she understand that this could help save LITERALLY millions of lives if we can cut off the NCR army quickly? We are not asking her to kill people. We ask her to make people who will not get killed. (We will train them ourselves) Also, why do we keep telling them what we want to do instead of a version they like? Like making disease resistant citizens who fear neither disease, radiation or predators. She Does Not have to know we are making supersoldiers. And even if she goes that way we can say it is just a part of it. They will have free will to decide if it is a cause worth fighting for (they wont, but she doesnt know that)
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>>1817312
>civ
Get hexacrete
>construct
Build cranes

>hero
- Go to the MLA i guess.
- spend time talking/courting Diana
-spend time with our family and kids.
-go visit the Chinese and see how they are doing. Visit in-laws and Sam.

>research
Neurology research for the post scarcity guys

>zax research
Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

>bio research
Better farm plants

Passive contrsuct
Eyebot repair bots.>>1817309
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>>1817310
>>1817313
>>1817316
Agree on all three.
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>>1817319
>Eyebot repair bots.>>1817309
>>>1817309
wut
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>>1817316
I'd prefer we go with quality stuff. Junk ones are so huge that we won't be able to carry much.

If we bring quality stuff, Niner will go out of his way to provide us with the best slaves he can get and best pieces of equipment taken from BoS
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>>1817317
Weapon is a weapon. Some pacifists desire not harming directly as much as preventing harm as a whole. Your using moral arguments based on your code against someone with a different code.
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>>1817319
+1
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>>1817322
Mistake from copying. Ignore it.
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>>1817316
>>1817323
True, but this is for the first deal. Plus I'd like to see how much our Junk ones shift the tides to then work off the quality one.
Plus if it goes well, we can say we're bringing the Old World ones soon, and the Junk were just our test copies.
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>>1817324
Fair enough. Just ask her to give us an evaluation on a timeframe then? Have her warm up to the idea (aka Spch 100 her ass).
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I'd prefer we don't dabble in vat grown soldiers path. Let's keep focusing on robots, eventually we'll be able to make androids and synth super soldiers which should be better than any other biological supersoldiers
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>>1817330
Nah. Just let her work on benevolent farm stuff. She'll be happier that way.
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>>1817331
They will be better as in programmable. In all other respects they are living like the commandos (think about the F4 synths and how they are made, how the are programmed and how the coursers are selected). We might as well just get a head start. Also since we need smart soldiers out there they have to have brains (since, as we have seen, the normal AI is too rigid, we cant rely on radio and a smart enough AI would be too bulky).

If it turns out the synths are better then we have already made some strides towards synth improvement on our own. So again, we lose nothing and we have lots to gain.
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>>1817329
True but getting a good working model up and running means we can set up mass production immediately. Not to mention, being able to take a piece of shit missile launcher and in a month or two turn it into a decent or even good missile launcher would demonstrate how powerful we are and how important of an ally we are.

Fact is we want them to think we are unbeatable. That letting us take the Legion (under the promise of then turning either against the BOS or NCR (which we might do depending on how shit is going then and if we think the NCR is becoming too much of a threat)) is an acceptable loss compared to not having the NCR's focus be divided, at least for a time.

Plus, having a good missile launcher means we will be able to avoid having to produce two models: one for export and one for us. Not to mention the benefits of getting the most out of this deal and arguing from a stronger position initially (we're offering far better shit than they have currently which they don't have enough of compared to a better version of something they have enough of).


>>1817330
>>1817331
>>1817334
To be frank I don't enjoy the concept of clone warriors that much. It's a bit of a ineffective thing compared to having combat robots and a few specialist citizen-soldiers.
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>>1817334
This.

We should try getting GECK factory working so that we can turn big Mt into green paradise.
Shouldn't be hard as a green death jungle was there before.

>>1817329
Eh, let's do a mix then
Also we should trade our high quality jet. No other use for it even if get low price for it.
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>>1817334
For a while, yes. However we are not utilizing her 100% if we keep her making plants. This would be a real asset. Even the gene tayloring tech could be used to immunize our populace, make them rad resistant and so on. So many possibilities. Think of the NCR stone men and Frontier crap. We can catch up to that now.
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>>1817339
Actually I have a theory that giant paradise forest came from the spores that got free during the first fights against the Zetans.
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>>1817340
We can catch up to them with robotics. We don't need clone commandos for anything.
There is a difference between immunization boosters and clone warriors.
I say lets try to keep her the same as much as possible, invluding her pacifism
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>>1817338
>To be frank I don't enjoy the concept of clone warriors that much. It's a bit of a ineffective thing compared to having combat robots and a few specialist citizen-soldiers.
These would be the specialized citizen-soldiers you are talking about. All the bio research can be used to improve the population as a whole. All the armor/weapons research will be used on our military. All the training programs will be used on our soldiers. There is nothing that is not advantageous to us if we do this. Even if it fails and we realize synths or droids are way better we win in applicable tech. Literally no downside. And again, we will only be making very limited numbers compared to our droids. Literally a handfull. If those work out, great. If not, no loss.

>>1817339
Agreed, however this wont be a specialty of Diana but of RIGD or RND. Diana would be better spent doing what she is good at, biotech research.
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>>1817339
We can just not make jet, rather than sell it for a pitance. If it isn't worth the time and effort why make it?
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>>1817340
>>1817334
It occurs to you that the way the device functions, she will be happy serving you, but it is likely she may not change her opinions about what she does even in the long run.

Its possible that ultimately, she would hate crafting bioweapons and terror devices maybe even herself for allowing it, but her feelings for you would drive her to do it and perhaps derive some happiness from it.

That would actually reinforce the system, if she hates everything else about her existence but finds helping you fulfilling, then it is likely she would condition herself to do things that she finds emotionally rewarding.

This seems to be the "behavioral conditioning away from communism toward democracy via emotional reward of service to attached authority figure" being mentioned in the manual.

For all that BigMT is bonkers, some of their stuff works really well.
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>>1817348
Agreed. Hell we should just spend a hero action to talk to her and generally try and make her a bit more okay with all this before the chips take too much effect.

If we can show her the progress we are making. If we can explain to her how quickly we've made this progress. If we can show her our plans and the future we would hope to make...maybe she can be convinced that our intent isn't bad.


I don't expect to be able to turn the chip off but we should be able to at least reduce the estimate on how long we'd need to have it on. Hopefully preserve a bit more of what makes her, her.
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>>1817354
Welp, fucked up pasting. Going to repost it.
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>>1817348
QM has literally said that a bot with actual tactical though has to be either big or connected to BigMT. Neither of those are an option for commandos. Again, if we realize that droids are better I will back that. Currently the only real option is this. And we dont have to push her into making death spores. Let her do gardening for a while to settle in before we start focusing step-by-step on improving baseline humans.
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>>1817357
>>1817354

>>1817338
>>1817339
Sounds good. We throw in a lot of Junk AAs that we made as test copies, then once they think that's all we had and get our deal, throw in the Old World AAs that we recently made to show we mean business? It might help with barganining to show we were doing both routes, and help cover up our replication technology.

We could also throw in we did some black ops sabotage shit on the Brotherhood that dealt a heavy blow in the meantime. Which we did do, even though it wasn't our original goal.

>>1817348
For now, yeah. It'll also speed up her Stockholm Syndrome of us.
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>>1817349
Except the discussion is about cloning specialised gene-warriors rather than mutating and augmenting natural citizens into super-soldiers.

>>1817359
Yeah that sounds logical and it shouldn't cost us too much while letting us mess around with some different designs.
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>>1817358
Or we can give them an ai. Assaultrons are pretty autonomous and they are deadly.

Its really not the only option. We have normal citizen soldiers. We don't need a slave army. Even if they are clones.
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>>1817355
So QM says this would actually IMPROVE her condition. I am even more inclined we push for this as soon as possible.

>>1817356
She will be 100% her, just inclined to help us despite her biases. This is literally perfect from all angles. Push her into gene modification, then onto supersoldiers. After farming upgrade.
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>>1817351
I mean the crate of jet we already produced. It is just laying around untraded and unused
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>>1817358
>QM has literally said that a bot with actual tactical though has to be either big or connected to BigMT.
That more has to do with operational intent rather than theoretical feasibility.

In the "Robot Race" of the old world there were many competing theories, the designers of the Protectron believed that robots should strive to be more human like in their abilities.

The designers of the Securitron, Sentry Bot, and others believed robots should be big, mean and architecturally simple. Boxes, cubes, polygons, shapes easy to mold a machine press into rather than the complicated mess of humanoid design.

BigMT, like House, happened to fall into that category so the focus was less on shrinking items for humanoid robots, but making robots bigger and more powerful.

You don't know if the other theory has born fruit. Apparently, according to Kreger, the United States also deployed very advanced military robots called "Assaultrons" which allegedly have commando variants, but the West Coast didn't have many. Most would likely be in China right now where they were deployed.
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>>1817358
>>1817361
I'd point out that we can just use wiped human brains to get around the problem of lacking tactical intelligence in the field by installing tactical AIs into them (which is what MAJOR advised). We'll have plenty after invading the Legion and even more from our other wars not to mention death-row criminals.

Plus our willing soldier-citizens can be made into TACTs and a augmented foot soldier.
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>>1817364
>So QM says this would actually IMPROVE her condition.
Improved in the sense of facing the reality.

She'll end up hating what she does, maybe what she's become, but will be endeared toward you that it becomes her meaning.

It would be wise to praise her regularly, especially when she does things she doesn't like for you, that is part of the manual. There are other suggested actions, but you can't really cuddle or pet a brain/hologram.
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>>1817364
Or it might be a recipe for a psychotic break. She would simultaneously be enjoying and hating what she is doing. Seems like it would make her go rouge and poison everything. Lets let her be happy as much as possible.
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>>1817360
What is the difference? If we will choose a loyal man to die anyway, why not manufacture them?

>>1817361
As to the bots, they are dumb. the smartest are robobrains and they are dumb with dumb quirks and rigid programming. This is exactly why an organic is good. flexibility. And they wont be slaves. We wont whip them or threaten them. I want them to be absolutely loyal out of a shared vision, not because they fear. The way Delta Squad was in game. Soldiers in a squad, as close as family, on a mission for the good of the country. No illusions of what they were doing was good. But they knew it was necessary and that if they didnt do it thousands of their brothers would die. This is not something to be shunned but embraced.
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The main reason I don't want to go clone troopers path is because I don't want to spend time/effort/resources on it.
Also, it would take like 20 years to get them ready. It's better to research biological enchantments to improve our current population. I believe we might be able to get another +1 to SPECIAL. So along with cybernetic augments our people would get +2 to all stats.
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>>1817375
But getting her to do what she wants would get her more comfortable and open with us, right? So there is no lurking hatred that can bubble up and fuck us over.
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>>1817378
Some bots are smart, others are dumb. The commando droids from the clone wars cartoon were pretty autonomous and deadly. We can work on it. Use modified gen 2 synth brains.
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>>1817377
Refer to >>1817375
It wont be simple but it can be done and done well.

>>1817368
If we can get our hands on one and it is as good enough then I am all for it but currently that is not the case.

>>1817371
Which would again mean bulky bots not really suited for stealth with a need for resources it might not get in the field on long missions (biogel and nutrients for brain, power for body vs food, which is relatively plentiful).
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>>1817371
I don't understand why you think we will have so many death row criminals in our society. USA has 400 million people and the number death penalties are less than 100 per year (I didn't do any search so these numbers are out of my ass)
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>>1817368
Ask Diana if her children know how to make good wooden furniture and carve decorations?
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>>1817385
But we dont have those. And I want droids too. I want them as bodyguards so they are deadly but we keep them in line, who knows what one would do on a mission. Murder civilians because they are in the way or something else. If we can be as sure in them as trained commandos I approve, more units in less time. But since we dont have a guarantee or synth brains we can just as well start with the project we have and use the advantages later.
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>>1817390
Last year was 20 excecutions.
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>>1817393
Her Children, as carefree tribals, at best know how to make the typical tribal stuff you find everywhere. Whicker baskets and chairs, tents, stuff like you can get anywhere there are tribals and wood.

If you want quality wooden carved furniture, the mormons have them.
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>>1817404
We should trade chickens for furniture.
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Has there been a vote of three and I missed it?
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>>1817404
Send a bot with a scanner over and have it scan all the furniture in return for chickens. Then produce them ourselves in replicators or CnC machines. The factory should be capable of this no problem.

>>1817414
>Has there been a vote of three and I missed it?
>>1817319
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>>1817378
>What is the difference? If we will choose a loyal man to die anyway, why not manufacture them?
A man chooses. A slave obeys.

A citizen / man chooses to defend his state and to fight for his people. A slave is thrown into combat and slaughtered for his master.

>>1817389
>Which would again mean bulky bots not really suited for stealth with a need for resources it might not get in the field on long missions (biogel and nutrients for brain, power for body vs food, which is relatively plentiful).
A fission battery is about the size of your fist and supplies enough power to a robot to last 200+ years. Power ain't an issue. Also biogel ain't expensive to produce and nutrients are literally food. So that argument is flawed. Plus it turns our when you only have to sustain the brain and the shit you feed it can taste like anything, you can cram in a fair bit of energy and nutrition and make it last much longer.

>>1817390
I don't. I think that in the conquest of the Legion we will convert most adults (at least in the military) into non-sentient TACTs and ZAXs which would give us thousands of brains. Add into this any we salvage from the MLA worth using (the rest can be re-processed into nutrient paste for the good brains) and the NCR / BOS and you can see that our need for brains is more or less met with a certain surplus depending on how far we go.

Add onto these any willing citizens (most of the children want to be soldiers so it's not going to be a problem there and brains can last 200+ years so it's not a problem of age) and the few criminals which I expect to be over-represented compared to real life thanks to the amount of crime in Fallout and such.
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>>1817419
Technically only 2. Other people were talking abojt rocket launchers.
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>>1817319
Roll me 3 1d100s!

>>1817419
>Ceo
"What a waste! You're burning fissile material to poof up wood.

Is this truly what you want?"
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Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>1817424
"Aesthetics"
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Rolled 10 (1d100)

>>1817424
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>>1817424
>>1817422
>>1817419
Yep it's a vote of two.

We were still discussing some other stuff.
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>>1817431
The rocket launchers, yeah? Do you want me to add
-make a bunch of scrap single use aa missle launchers?
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>>1817424
We CAN use energy to turn metal into wood, can we not? Then make a metal frame onto which you lay the wood seamlessly, making a high-strenght piece of furniture. If this is not cost effective enough, chop some trees and have a cnc do it.

>>1817421
I will give you the battery if it can power both weapons and soldier. As to the nutritional requirements of the brain they are huge. It uses 20% of the energy and we have to feed it every second of every day. If we have tanks gig enough for a long mission this again, becomes a matter of size.

And you havent said anything about the fact that it is in no way bad to research this. Even if we dont go the soldier route we can certainly use the advanced genemods or the VR pods or the weapons/armor tech. I proposed we start chipping away at it. If it turns out to be good, great. If not, we lose nothing.
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>>1817431
Aight. You can keep the rolls.

brb, don't forget to vote!
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>>1817441
>We CAN use energy to turn metal into wood, can we not?
Of course you can, easily.
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>>1817441
>As to the nutritional requirements of the brain they are huge. It uses 20% of the energy and we have to feed it every second of every day. If we have tanks gig enough for a long mission this again, becomes a matter of size.
Yet a robo-brain can still be alive after 200 years. When by your logic it should have ran out of nutrition long ago.

>And you havent said anything about the fact that it is in no way bad to research this. Even if we dont go the soldier route we can certainly use the advanced genemods or the VR pods or the weapons/armor tech. I proposed we start chipping away at it. If it turns out to be good, great. If not, we lose nothing.
Except for every turn we dedicate to making your god damn clone soldiers, we could be focusing on actually useful things and I agree to making genemods but VR pods and weapons and such are things we've already developed and have need of for other reasons.
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>>1817442
For you lot who want to make aa missle launchers

>civ
Get hexacrete
>construct
Build cranes

>hero
- build single use aa missle launchers out of scrap to trade with the MLA.
- Go to the MLA i guess.
- spend time talking/courting Diana
-spend time with our family and kids.
-go visit the Chinese and see how they are doing. Visit in-laws and Sam.

>research
Neurology research for the post scarcity guys

>zax research
Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

>bio research
Better farm plants

Passive contrsuct
Eyebot repair bots.
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>>1817442
Check my roll
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>>1817457
>- build single use AA missile launchers out of scrap to trade with the MLA.
God dammit. We've discussed this, we want to produce a series of missile launchers and they ain't meant to be single use as far as the discussed details disclose.
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>>1817451
So you find no use for VR pod education (something we use on doctors currently) and better weapons/armour for our human element? We literally cloned the mechanicus five. We get gene mods and we figure out a way to clone effectively (1 research in bio). We use the VR pods to train them (also very useful if we want to train soldiers into officers, for example, citizens into doctors and so on) and outfit them with the best armor we have (you can think of no use for a shielded piece of light armor that offers improved mobility over PA (but offers enough protection thanks to shields, not to mention medical systems, cloak fields and so on). How the hell is this a shit use of our time? The only thing we would be sacrificing is a turn of cloning tech and we have to do that anyway if we want to clone good brains. Dude really.

>>1817451
>Yet a robo-brain can still be alive after 200 years. When by your logic it should have ran out of nutrition long ago.
Good question. QM, how do they do it?
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>>1817464
Why not? Keeps em wanting more, and are more portable. There is a reason the US army uses stingers.
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>>1817442
>>civ
>Get hexacrete
>>construct
>Build long range satellite

>>hero
>- Go to the MLA i guess.
>- spend time talking/courting Diana
>-spend time with our family and kids.
>-go visit the Chinese and see how they are doing. Visit in-laws and Sam.

>>research
>Long range satellite

>>zax research
>Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

>>bio research
>Better farm plants

>Passive contrsuct
>Eyebot repair bots.>>1817309
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>>1817467
Agreed
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>>1817466
>" QM, how do they do it?"
Metabolic stasis field combined combined with the brain relying on the battery for energy rather than nutrients. The nutrient gel they are encased in combined with a large gel pack guarantee's them for 100 years of service, but theoretically this is much higher on the scale of 500 -1000 presuming the rest of the robot lasts that long.

Many robots are also able to find recharging stations which typically have robo-brain juice recyclers too.


However these are for low level robots, more advaned robo brains like in Dogs, ZAX's or thinking types like in BigMT require salient green.
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>>1817471
You could've just linked it instead of pasting it.
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>>1817480
Its different. Involves satellite stuff.
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>>1817466
>So you find no use for VR pod education (something we use on doctors currently) and better weapons/armour for our human element?
No, I'm saying that that is going to be developed anyway so I don't see how that is an argument in your favour.

>We literally cloned the mechanicus five.
Turns out it is easy to clone the dead. Who'd have thought it would be easy to replicate a corpse compared to a living, thinking, being.

>We get gene mods and we figure out a way to clone effectively (1 research in bio).
Wow that is a massive assumption. We'd get a gene-mod per research and might manage to figure out cloning but I doubt it would ever be fast.

>We use the VR pods to train them (also very useful if we want to train soldiers into officers, for example, citizens into doctors and so on) and outfit them with the best armor we have (you can think of no use for a shielded piece of light armor that offers improved mobility over PA (but offers enough protection thanks to shields, not to mention medical systems, cloak fields and so on). How the hell is this a shit use of our time? The only thing we would be sacrificing is a turn of cloning tech and we have to do that anyway if we want to clone good brains. Dude really.
Mate I am telling you this right now. Cloning ain't going to pay off. Even ignoring the ethical problems and the difficulties in ensuring loyalty. Even ignoring the fact you'd be making thinking weapons, not people. Even ignoring the massive amount of assumptions you make as to how easily this can be done. I just feel that you are wasting time and resources on a pipe dream conception that they'll be worthwhile rather than focusing on improving the human intellect and otherwise making every citizen better in everything they do.

Also that light armour sounds useless and impossible. PA allows a person to carry a mini-gun like it was a pistol and still run as fast as a ordinary human. Your armour also draws far too much shit in terms of power and would essentially result in a massive battery / fusion cell on every suit, weighing them down.

>>1817467
>Why not? Keeps em wanting more, and are more portable. There is a reason the US army uses stingers.
The US army also has one of the largest budgets in the world and can afford to equip it's troops with such things.

Fact is that the MLA won't want single shot weapons and even if they did they'd find a way to convert them or restore them after use. Might as well cut out the middle stage and get a better price per unit.


>>1817487
Except we don't know if the Satellite stuff is needed. OP never confirmed if we could use the Nursery satellite.
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>>1817478
It was different things on it, long range satellite is the main difference.

>>1817489
I guess we have to test Diane satellite to know how it's range is.
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>>1817489
Op said it may be possible to use diana's satellite. And i was just pointing it out. It was not my actions.

I don't see why you don't want to get as much out of the MLA as possible. It's not like they know we can make normal reusables. We should get as much out of them as possible, and disposavles is the way to go. The MLA need these rockets. We can extort them a little.
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>>1817489
>Fact is that the MLA won't want single shot weapons and even if they did they'd find a way to convert them or restore them after use. Might as well cut out the middle stage and get a better price per unit.
Well they could if we could sell the idea as being better and more practical than multi-use weapons. Especially for the short-term, which is what the MLA would be concerned about. WW2 nations like Germany had single-shot RPGs too.
We could say that the single shot weapons are much cheaper than if we sold the multi-use ones, which they would be. We could also say the multi-use ones even if Old World would end up as bulky as the Junk one they got.

>>1817444
Is the Old World model we got single or multi use?
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>>1817424
No, no we don't. Just trade for furniture in Utah.

>>1817435
Let's do a mix of junk and high quality. Have a lot of junk and less quality. Something like 75 to 25 percent ratio. We can pretend that making quality is so much expensive and hard for us to drive up the price. Then next time we'll bring only the high quality.
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>>1817498
>Is the Old World model we got single or multi use?
Also is it the same for the Junk model?
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>>1817359
>>1817501
Yeah I was suggesting something like that earlier. We had a crate of Junk AAs, then progressively smaller amounts of quality AAs if we decided to try replicating them conventionally, and one or very few of the Old World AAs.
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>>1817404
What a bunch of fucking freeloaders.

How can we make these people useful for us? Maybe incorporate their hunters into our army and turn them into proper soldiers?


Should we allow our citizens to visit Nursery? Maybe we should build a small resort manned by robots? I bet that would increase morale tremendously
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>>1817511
Just let them be. They're self sufficient and living a peaceful life. We don't want to start displacing them or anything.
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>>1817489
Again, if we make all the tech anyway then there is no "wasted time". We also have to figure out cloning anyway if we want brains that way and tell me you see no use in that. And even if it takes a research turn per gene mod, it will be useful. And if it takes many to perfect cloning guess what, it will still be useful.

And there are no ethical problems here. We are making smart machines who we send off to war, you yourself suggested scooping out enemy brains to do it. This is in no way different to what I propose. Moot point.

And guess what? All the projects needed for this to work have wide implications for the citizens, weapons and resources we have. Better citizens through gene mods, free brains and better VR pods. Tell me this is not worth doing. And if we do all this and happen to get a way to make clones I will be glad. And if not, I will be glad we used Diana for something other than plants.

And the stinger variant is good. Keeps the paying for it and us "richer". I see no problem.
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>>1817511
Genetic research material. They are supposedly prime humans.
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>>1817494
Aye I suppose.

>>1817496
>Op said it may be possible to use diana's satellite. And i was just pointing it out. It was not my actions.
Aye I suppose but you were the one implying that is the turn we support.

>I don't see why you don't want to get as much out of the MLA as possible. It's not like they know we can make normal reusables. We should get as much out of them as possible, and disposavles is the way to go. The MLA need these rockets. We can extort them a little.
Fine then. If you feel that they'll offer just as good a deal for a shittier weapon, go ahead. I am saying that we can get more per rocket and per launcher if we make them reusable and control the supply entirely.

>>1817498
>Well they could if we could sell the idea as being better and more practical than multi-use weapons. Especially for the short-term, which is what the MLA would be concerned about. WW2 nations like Germany had single-shot RPGs too.
Aye and nations like America, the UK and Russia had multi-shot weapons.

>We could say that the single shot weapons are much cheaper than if we sold the multi-use ones, which they would be.
Except it's less cost effective for us since we spend more metal and shit making more launchers. Rather than merely producing additional ammo which would be less intensive.

>We could also say the multi-use ones even if Old World would end up as bulky as the Junk one they got.
Except they wouldn't be and it wouldn't prove our technical superiority making us a less respected warlord and trade partner.
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>civ
Get hexacrete
>construct
Build cranes

>hero
- build mix of junk and high quality AA missiles and launchers. 75 to 25 %. Make as many as we can. Get Raul and couripon to help
- Go to the MLA i guess.
- spend time talking/courting Diana
-spend time with our family and kids.
-go visit the Chinese and see how they are doing. Visit in-laws and Sam.

>research
Neurology research for the post scarcity guys

>zax research
Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

>bio research
Better farm plants

Passive contrsuct
Eyebot repair bots
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>>1817541
Probably not. They are normal wastelanders living in a cleaner than normal environment. They were regular tribals before this.
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>>1817542
>Except it's less cost effective for us since we spend more metal and shit making more launchers. Rather than merely producing additional ammo which would be less intensive.
And guess what? They pay for it. You have a real problem with seeing other perspectives. All the bad aspects of this weapon are the MLAs to bear. We just make and sell them. And guess what? It is easier to control when you only have to worry about the shot itself.
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>>1817547
Vault dwellers actually. If not, then who cares. If they are useful keep them for research.
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>>1817511
>>1817521
>>1817541
So you're saying they've been affected by less diseases than normal wastelanders?
Displace the tribals. Manifest Destiny their asses and bring smallpox to them.

>>1817542
>Except it's less cost effective for us since we spend more metal and shit making more launchers. Rather than merely producing additional ammo which would be less intensive.
If we're talking about the German single-shot RPG launchers, it was literally a simple metal tube with an RPG on it. Of course, we're talking about AA RPGs so that'd a different story.
We'd still be selling more launchers than ammo though, which we could price as more expensive accordingly and one they would generally covet more.

I'm pretty sure the MLA wants quantity over quality so they can outfit their men with this.

>>1817509
Also I was already proposing a mix.

>>1817542
>Except they wouldn't be
They don't know that, depending on what the Old World model was.
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>>1817551
Just leave em alone. And they are not vault dwellers. They were the twin mothers until they exodused to the canyon. Normal tribals like the sorrows.
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>>1817547
>>1817551

With the genetic repository we gained we might not even need to experiment on prime humans.
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>>1817564
There is probably a pure human sample in the databanks, yes.
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>>1817564
Good point. Then yes, stick them in a corner and exploit the rest. Keep Diana reasonably happy but under our direction.

Can we get the turn update now?
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>>1817577
We need three votes. We're stuck because we xan't agree on what rockets to make. We have me at >>1817457
And we also have >>1817471
And >>1817544
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OP, are you waiting for votes or writing? We pretty much are in agreement now the turn should go.
You should call a vote on minor details we haven't agreed yet. Otherwise these things take forever.
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>>1817588
Back, writing
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>>1817511
>What a bunch of fucking freeloaders.

>Arcade
"Does it really seem to you like they are that different than the majority of our people?

They gather food, eat it, and live while being cared for by technological overseers. I'm sorry to say but that's as much an accurate description of them as it is for most of our people. The only difference is they want less than what ours do."
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>>1817597
Wow. Had to make us say that out loud.
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Actually guys, I need to go away for a while at least 3 hours.

Also if you want Good AA rockets instead of just replicating the junk stuff the MLA gave, you'll need research. You can however, produce the same model of the jury rig rockets as a Fissile Trade Action

VOTE:
>Do you wish to trade the MLA more of their own designs?
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>>1817536
>Again, if we make all the tech anyway then there is no "wasted time". We also have to figure out cloning anyway if we want brains that way and tell me you see no use in that. And even if it takes a research turn per gene mod, it will be useful. And if it takes many to perfect cloning guess what, it will still be useful.
And I am telling you for all the effort you are putting into this idea that it is a massive waste of time compared to focusing on combat robots and enhancing our actual human population rather than bothering to make a god damn cloning program.

>And there are no ethical problems here. We are making smart machines who we send off to war, you yourself suggested scooping out enemy brains to do it. This is in no way different to what I propose. Moot point.
Not really since I want to scrub the brains of our enemies, so they'd be entirely empty and then have an AI inserted. Rather than you: who wants to clone humans and send them off to die within months or years of birth without any sorts of plans for what to do with them when the war is won.

>And guess what? All the projects needed for this to work have wide implications for the citizens, weapons and resources we have. Better citizens through gene mods, free brains and better VR pods. Tell me this is not worth doing. And if we do all this and happen to get a way to make clones I will be glad. And if not, I will be glad we used Diana for something other than plants.
That's another point: I don't feel that forcing her to do this is a good idea. I know that there is no inherent benefit to avoiding this fact but dammit we've done enough to her already.

>And the stinger variant is good. Keeps the paying for it and us "richer". I see no problem.
I've already explained my logic.
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>>1817604
Na. Junk stuff is fine.
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>>1817597
Dammit, Arcade. Our people actually did stuff. They gathered resources and helped in building projects. It's not their fault that they will get in the way these days. Also some of our people are in military. We have intelligence officers. Don't forget our scientists too.
And please don't forget the farmers who feed all these people

We have plans and are in process of shifting to intellectual society where majority of our people will help the nation in technological pursuit.

These tribals are different. There is no plan on making them useful.
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>>1817620
What ever happened to individual liberty?
Choosing your own path? They don't take from us and we don't take from them. They aren't free loaders in any definition of the word.
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>>1817549
>And guess what? They pay for it. You have a real problem with seeing other perspectives. All the bad aspects of this weapon are the MLAs to bear. We just make and sell them.
No, because WE are making the weapon WE pay for the parts used to make it and WE receive what they are willing to pay. Which will be less than if it was a multi-shot weapon and thus WE make less of a material profit on each weapon.

Not to mention the reduced effectiveness in the field which is a major point since we are supplying these to make the MLA stronger.

>And guess what? It is easier to control when you only have to worry about the shot itself.
And guess what? We'd still be just as in control of the supply of the shots. Only we'd be producing them cheaper and more quickly. Two potential view points: either the launchers and ammo are impossible to replicate with MLA shit, meaning we control supply no matter what; or, they can be replicated and we can't supply anything without them being able to produce more ammo, even for a supposedly single shot launcher since they can almost certainly reload it given time which they have since they need these weapons so much.

>>1817556
>I'm pretty sure the MLA wants quantity over quality so they can outfit their men with this.
True but the fact is that we can do both fairly well.

>They don't know that, depending on what the Old World model was.
Except they'd be able to think logically that if they can salvage together something like that, we who are producing them from the ground up and make combat robots out the ass should be able to make something better.

>>1817604
Yeah we can do junk stuff for now and tell them better things are in the works and see if they want multi-shot or single shot.
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>>1817604
Junk stuff is best. mabye until we can redesign old world stingers and sell them that
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>>1817604
I'm really confused why we need spend fissile to replicate shitty rocket designs or why we need an entire research action to build AA missile launcher. You said Mt specializes in weapon research, are we really to believe that they don't have schematics to pretty much all of ow weapons?
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>>1817627
Wed be making less profit per unit, but more units. Net gain for disposables. And disposable launchers are still a gain for them. We don't want to help them too much after all. Once they have tubes, they can foxus on building rockets, which means when we attack, they will have rocket launchers. Vs disposables, where we stop selling, they run out, and we stomp them down.
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>>1817620
>They gathered resources and helped in building projects
"Sure, and these guys gather resources for building projects too. Or is a building not a building if its a steel crate and not a wood hut"
>also some of our people are in military.
"Yes, just like they do too. With complimentary robots."

>And please don't forget the farmers who feed all these people
"You mean individuals who harvest fruit, vegetables, and hunt meat for the collective society.

Like those tribals for instance?"

>There is no plan on making them useful.
"So if their farmers are not at all useful, what makes ours any more?

In fact more and more of our food isn't even gathered by our people anymore, it's robot produced."
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>>1817638
Corrupted/Destroyed data banks. Dr. klein or mobius didn't like it and deleted it or whatever. I.e. QM fiat
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>>1817638
You need an action to produce weapons, I don't see a weapons production action so you'll have to do it the quick and replicator way.
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>>1817643
Just ignore that guy. He wants to go full Stalinist assigned work orders to everyone.
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>>1817641
>Wed be making less profit per unit, but more units.
Which is an assertion you make without proof that the "savings" you'd apparently make on a single shot launcher are in anyway major enough to make up for the fact we need to produce more for the same effect or the fact we can't just switch to producing mostly ammo for them after a time which would be much cheaper.

>Net gain for disposables. And disposable launchers are still a gain for them. We don't want to help them too much after all.
If we don't want to help them too much then we cut off supply citing a problem with the factory or just cut it off ourselves saying we need to produce other shit or that we need them ourselves.

>Once they have tubes, they can focus on building rockets, which means when we attack, they will have rocket launchers. Vs disposables, where we stop selling, they run out, and we stomp them down.
Except with single shot launchers they can just refit them to fire again since the inefficiency isn't a concern to them because it still increases their production which if anything would occur the moment we give them a single rocket launcher.
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>>1817604
Trade them more of there own design, Fuck giving them new stuff.
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>>1817542
>it wouldn't prove our technical superiority making us a less respected warlord and trade partner.
It does prove our industrial superiority though. They've barely made a few with their researchers.

>>1817627
>Except they'd be able to think logically that if they can salvage together something like that, we who are producing them from the ground up and make combat robots out the ass should be able to make something better.
Are you saying Old World disposable AAs aren't far better than what they have?

>>1817604
>>1817627
Anyways, yeah, keep it at Junk AAs until we see what their deals are like. We have better things to do with those research actions.
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>>1817651
Well we set the price for the missles they need, so we wouldn't be selling for a loss. Its a seller's market. If niner won't take them maybe Bishop will. No skin off our backs.
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>>1817654
>It does prove our industrial superiority though. They've barely made a few with their researchers.
More accurately, Niner only has a few. We have no way of proving expansion ain't expanding.

>Are you saying Old World disposable AAs aren't far better than what they have?
Potentially. We don't have any reason to believe that they'd want disposables as I have already explained and more importantly I feel it'd be a wasted effort.

>>1817657
You seem to have this strange idea that we can just set the price and they'll take it up the ass rather than refusing to purchase them or only purchasing a few before retrofitting them to be reusable.


Also you fail to address any of my other points.
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>>1817605
>Not really since I want to scrub the brains of our enemies, so they'd be entirely empty and then have an AI inserted. Rather than you: who wants to clone humans and send them off to die within months or years of birth without any sorts of plans for what to do with them when the war is won.
Dont give me that high and mighty shit. Your idea is just as bad. And to claim innocence is frankly deluded.

>>1817605
>I know that there is no inherent benefit
Then dont fucking do it. This is not your personal fantasy of rainbow land.

>>1817627
>No, because WE are making the weapon WE pay for the parts used to make it and WE receive what they are willing to pay. Which will be less than if it was a multi-shot weapon and thus WE make less of a material profit on each weapon.
And if they dont pay they dont get them. This is how business works. We are not out to help the MLA, we are out to help ourselves, or have you forgotten that amidst your misguided moralfaggotry and inability to see other perspectives?

>>1817651
>Except with single shot launchers they can just refit them to fire again
Do you even weapons? Or is the simple possibility of a mechanism to stop this unbelievable to you? Or that the pipe will literally be a shitty pipe?
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>>1817663
>I feel
So it comes down to this. Gotcha. Nice one.
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>>1817663
They don't have rockets, we have rockets, they need rockets. We have the bargaining position. If they don't accept, no big loss on our part, and we wait a bit for things to heat up before offering again. They will accept.
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>>1817664
>Dont give me that high and mighty shit. Your idea is just as bad. And to claim innocence is frankly deluded.
I don't claim innocence. I just don't intend to bring someone into this world solely with the intent to shove them into the path of my enemies.

>Then dont fucking do it. This is not your personal fantasy of rainbow land.
And fuck you. I don't give a shit. I ain't comfortable with forcing someone to work on shit they hate and having their brain literally compel them to do it and enjoy it. I don't want to pull that shit.

>And if they dont pay they dont get them. This is how business works. We are not out to help the MLA, we are out to help ourselves, or have you forgotten that amidst your misguided moralfaggotry and inability to see other perspectives?
JESUS YOU ARE A THICK ONE AREN'T YA.

We are out to help the MLA so the NCR stops beating them. By making each weapon as good as possible we avoid wasting industrial effort and resources thus maximising relative profit.

As to your "point" about not giving them them if they don't pay, that is a complete non sequitur.

>Do you even weapons? Or is the simple possibility of a mechanism to stop this unbelievable to you? Or that the pipe will literally be a shitty pipe?
No but I am willing to believe that the MLA can fucking think you fucking fool.

>>1817669
Okay since you are going to be a pedantic motherfucker "I THINK it would be a wasted effort".
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>>1817680
>They don't have rockets, we have rockets, they need rockets. We have the bargaining position. If they don't accept, no big loss on our part, and we wait a bit for things to heat up before offering again. They will accept.
True but the potential for their position to be irreparably weakened is fairly high and quite importantly we don't want to be allow the NCR to get stronger.
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>>1817684
They know that, so they won't risk it. Its just a game of chicken, except they have more on the line. They will buy our stuff eventually.
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>>1817689
I suppose but I see no reason to act in this way. It'll harm relations and potentially damage relations with Niner (Who I want to keep on side for a little longer. We need to convince the MLA to not intervene in our conquest of the Legion and shit which he will certainly be helpful for.).
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>>1817689
Time is on our side, but if we play it wrongly then they will be far too weak to make full use of the rockets
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>>1817682
>I am willing to believe
Again you go with this shit. You get butthurt when I challenge your stupid shit and start flaming out.

>>1817682
>And fuck you. I don't give a shit.
Case and point.

>>1817682
>We are out to help the MLA so the NCR stops beating them.
YES, not set them up with best weapons because they are our precious little allies, you tool. They get what we give them and since they want this pretty bad they will take it all.

>>1817684
>True but the potential for their position to be irreparably weakened is fairly high and quite importantly we don't want to be allow the NCR to get stronger.
They have been doing ok and this is not the one chance we get to make everything right. If this doesnt work we can make more. They will fork over the resources and we make them at a profit. If they need more we make more. we get shit we want, they get shit they want. This is how its supposed to work, or have you forgotten amidst your love of the MLA, refiring rocketlaunchers and clone-hate?
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>>1817703
And we have absolutely no knowledge of how it is going. We can start small and if it is needed we can ramp up drastically in the event of imminent collapse. Not to mention help with medicine and logistics/calculations/predictions.
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>>1817712
I agree completely. We should see how the negotiations go before we do anything drastic. We also really need to know how the war is going
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>>1817704
Fuck it. I can't be bothered to waste my time trying to convince you.

>>1817717
I agree to that.
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>>1817717
Exactly. Should we deem it necessary we have the capability to make large amounts of these while the MLA has large amounts of men to shoot them. But right now is not the time for that. And if we find out how they are doing we can sell them other things as well. How fortunate we are going to a warboss meet.
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>>1817648
Oh shit, did I come off like this? I didn't mean it. I'm all for freedom but we are not making a society of parasites.

Frankly I am insulted that Arcade thinks so low about our people.
There is a huge difference between reaching up to pluck a fruit and toiling soil in harsh desert under a scorching sun to feed populace which would starve otherwise. Being a hunter defending against wild animals or being a soldier going through tough training, going on military expeditions or protecting their home (did he forget how our people fought valiantly against the Legion) and dying or super mutants which kept dangerous mutated wildlife away for years. Building projects to make collective life easier, secure, improve efficiency and making simple mud huts.
He also ignored the scientists part. Oh and we have doctors too.

Our people have been pulling their weight and being useful from the beginning and I'm pretty sure everyone still works hard (at least OP never said otherwise).
Our farmers farm because we need them to farm because until recently we couldn't simply afford to spend resources and time to build more farming bots. The bulk of our nation worked to feed the scientists who work hard to make endless technological breakthroughs. In a way, a simple farmer is responsible for those robots who now are making his life easier. Now that simple unskilled workers are being replaced, we will make steps that they join those same scientists and doctors they helped to keep doing their work.
Hell, our people got literate in the school and they all use Alexa to learn new stuff.
If we are starting to get freeloaders in our society it is only because we haven't gotten around implementing the post scarcity society yet where people will still be doing valuable and needed work even when robots take care of most of things.

The tribals in the nursery only gather and hunt because Diana refused to let them become completely lazy and decadent. There is no need for them to do any of that.
Diana is overprotective doting mother which brings up children totally unprepared for the real world. And when real world came knocking, they were woefully unprepared for it.
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>>1817730
The feeling is mutual. I give facts and an option, you disagree because it conflict with your selective moral code.
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>>1817738
I gave facts. I gave logic. I meant "gut feeling" not emotional feeling.


You are just a fucking piece of shit. Who for some reason is obsessed with god damn clones.
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>>1817736
Dude. These guys are pulling their weight. They are entirely self sufficient. The American dream. No need to force them to conform.

And how do you have an issue with them not being lazy and decadent? I thought we were going for a non-lazy, non-decadent people.
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>>1817742
And you a piece of shit so obsessed with banning clones. As to your gut feeling, its shit.

You were against the chipping as well, werent you?
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How about... Instead of making soldier clones we make scientist and doctor clones?
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>>1817747
Clones are too close to slaves. We're going into the whole thing with the Institute. Just because we make them does not mean they are people and deserve the same freedoms as such.
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>>1817736
Arcade is mostly poking at your double standards and in general at you beeing an obvious sneering imperialist, less out of any malicious intent, bit out of casual conversation, but more of the idea that, for example:

"projects to make collective life easier, secure, improve efficiency"

When, for all intents and purposes, the tribals life is easy, secure, and very efficient. All while using mud huts.
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On the topic of clones, I'm bringing up my idea again to hook up brains without a body to new cloned bodies. We just need to put some more research into the Tesla coils to see if its viable.

Those of you who want clone commandos, withought having to chip them. This could be a way to go an do it. Have the brains control the body through suicide missions / what have you, and when they die the brain still functions. Give them a new clone body and your good to go again.
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>>1817755
I prefer that than a clone slave army. A slave is a slave, even if they don't know better.
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>>1817745
Nope. I was one of the people that was for it from the first second. Hell I think I might have even been the one to suggest it but I can't remember.

>>1817755
Aye I'd have no problem with that.
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>>1817743
I'm not advocating to forcing them anything. But they are definitely not self sufficient or pulling their weight.

The simple fact is that if the humans were removed, the nursery would not have been better or worse because of that. Same can not be said about our little nation. At least before we got ZAX, if all of our people disappeared, things would have been much harder for us. Remember how Oddball's exodus made things difficult for us in a way that we are yet to recover.

I am annoyed that Arcade is trying to compare our people who got here with their blood and sweat to these tribals who had everything cared for them since they were children.
I don't like the way he looks down on our people. These are the people who believed in us and stuck with us from the beginning and you're damn right I won't let anyone insult them like this.
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>>1817766
How are they not self sufficient? They are fed and happy and fit, and we don't put anything in. No welfare or anything. Just because they aren't living the life you want from them, doesn't mean they need to change.

Or do the sorrows need to change as well? They live a tribal life, and are wholely satisfied by it.

Your issue seems to be they aren't living the life of someone from New Washington.
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>>1817736
It's a bit funny because Something like this is actually in Yaunker's book on Tribals

"The tribal who finds himself blessed as if in a lard of fat and a barrel of fruit, with the waters of life flowing around him. The resources of the world are at his feet, and what does he do with it?

He lives humbly, within his means but no more, scarcely more than an animal than a man. He cares not, for example, that there may be an impoverished village in the dust far off, or that his fellow men reap the bounties he has found. They not his tribe, it is not his problem.

But the civilized man does not fall prey to animal hedonism. He does not reach out to nature, like a beggar asking her of alms. He toils her ground, lays the seeds for farms. He strives to achieve things higher than himself, to feed not one man but a whole nation. To build a town, a settlement, to mine the earth for metals, to construct homes not huts. To educate himself, grow wiser in sciences and math, and to build up humanity to greatness.

The tribal works for himself, the civilized man works for all mankind."
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>>1817753
Yes. Because everything was done for them from the beginning. They got to live in paradise on earth where everything was in arms reach, protected and cared by robots but everything stayed the same since and stagnated. 11 fucking years and it took us finding this place to fix all the problems which plagued these facilities. Our scientists could have fixed those problems too, maybe it would have taken more people and more time but I'm sure they'd have done it in at least half a year.
Our soldiers could easily deal with mutated wildlife and plants too.

We need our people for our nation to flourish.
We take care of their basic needs so that they can pursue much higher goals not so that they laze around and fuck in mud huts
>When, for all intents and purposes, the tribals life is easy, secure, and very efficient. All while using mud

Yeah, until Legion, MLA, NCR, aliens, evil horrors summoned by apocalypse show up.

>sneering imperialist
Damn right I am. All nations and people should strive for greater things.
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>>1817802
Man anon, and you're working with the MLA of all people Its never too late to reconsider alliances
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>>1817775
And he is right in that.

>>1817755
If we can do it in a way that keeps our connection from being severed easily I agree. This way we dont lose the mind behind the soldier.

>>1817747
We make those too. The point is that soldiers is one of the many possibilities of this tech. Tech that we should capitalize on.

>>1817802
YES, someone who doesnt compromize. We have a nation to run after all.

>>1817814
And just as the locals who sold their brothers into slavery were used, we will use the MLA until it suits us no more.
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>>1817802
You really need to relax. Some people don't see ac and television and concrete blocks as necessary for a good life. They hunt and the sleep and they enjoy spending time with each other. More than can be said for us. We're always zipping around doing things in far off lands, while our family stays behind.

And Diana protected them, and would have for generations if we hadn't yknow, enslaved her.
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>>1817775
I always said that we are closest to NCR in ideals than any other faction.

>>1817772
I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that we are spending anything on them.
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>>1817814
I prefer to look at it as using the MLA as a meat shield / proxy army to working with them, since that implies they are equals and that we don't intend to stab them in the back and steal their lands.
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>>1817822
How are they parasites then? Taking is by defenition, parasitism.
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What's the current argument about and why aren't we building a Large solar farm?
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>>1817820
Everyone who runs nations, good nations, compromises. Moral standing and not being hypocrites has a large place in governance.
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>>1817832
Two arguments: if we should use clones and clone soldiers and second, if we should make single-use rocket launchers or multi-use rocket launchers for trade to the MLA.
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>>1817840
Well of course we should use Clone soldiers, what are anons ideas?
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>>1817832
Also what to do with the tribals in the nursery. H85O is disgusted by their life style and wants to force then into stalinist work camps because how dare they exist, all happy and well fed. He has major crab in bucket syndrom
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>>1817846
He sounds like an ass.
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>>1817845
Its effecrively a slave army, and they are redundant in the face of our robot soldiers. No clone soldier can match a securitron.
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>>1817851
Yeah, and >>1817820
is encouraging him with his usual " history should judge us" and "no morals ever, no compromising any gain for being nice, or considerate, or not a slave master"
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>>1817865
Actually that would be me, that is my ideology. Even I am against clone-slave gene-warriors.
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>>1817821
Sure good her protection did. All she had were old outdated robots which a regular Legion soldier can take on easily. It was just a matter of time before a major faction would have found them.

>>1817827
Well, this paradise didn't happen on its own for starters. They are taking other people's hard work even if that person is OK with that and in fact made this place like this specifically for them.

They are happy, they are fed, they are protected just like a 35 year old man child is happy, fed and protected by his parents.
He lives in a house (green paradise) they provided, eats food from the plate (taking fruits from trees) they bring. While the analogy is not 100 percent correct, it is close

The world of fallout is a harsh place. Diana should have been educating and training them since they were 13-15 years old. She should have been using her scientific knowledge to develop advanced learning methods so that they are ready faster. She should have been searching for ways to deal with her immediate problems like fixing robot facilities even if that meant training these people to be scientists and engineers.
Instead she let them frolic around in blissful uselessness.
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>>1817852
>>1817874
Why do the Clones need to be slaves?
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>>1817874
Are you plan anon? Could have sworn that was >>1817820
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>>1817880
Because he's thinking of clone wars still, indoctrinated children accelerated to adulthood and deprived of their free will. Slaves.
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>>1817880
Because he wants to force them into combat and make them all soldiers.

>>1817881
Aye, that'd be me I believe.


Trust me, even I don't believe in abusing cloning or the mind. I was on the fence for the whole "chipping" Diana thing and I am against making clone soldiers with her help as well for that reason because of what it would do to her / her mind.
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>>1817875
Joshua lets the Sorrows frolick around in a blissful uselessness. Other than the few warriors they have, but they probably just kill beasts now that Zion is safe.

Are you saying Joshua is wrong to respect the purity of their home and way of life?
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>>1817888
Why the hell do they need to be deprived of free will if their indoctrinated?
Like literally just do everything except the last part and you have perfectly good loyal elites.
>>1817890
>Because he wants to force them into combat and make them all soldiers.
Is there a problem with that that i'm not aware of?
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>>1817846
>>1817851

Lmao, he is making a strawman. I never said to force them to do anything and certainly not putting them into work camps.

I just said that they are bunch of freeloaders and maybe we should find ways to make them useful for our nation.
Then Arcade started comparing them to our people and saying that they are no different compared to these tribals and I got mad at Arcade for looking down on our citizens and insulting them. Our people are no where near compared to these fuckbois and fuckgirls.
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>>1817893
Aren't all the Sorrows trained as warriors?
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>>1817900
>Then Arcade started comparing them to our people and saying that they are no different compared to these tribals and I got mad at Arcade for looking down on our citizens and insulting them. Our people are no where near compared to these fuckbois and fuckgirls.
Nigga you dumb, you super dumb.
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>>1817890
Are you italian? And have you ever said anything like " give me a bag of dynamite and I can cripple the NCR" Back when ?
Because I thought I could ID him by now.
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>>1817906
Uhh, i think there's only one Italian here and that would be me.
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>>1817902
No. Dead horses were warriors. Sorrows were the innocent children of Zion who know know justice, tempered by mercy.
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>>1817912
Huh. My bad. Didn't expect anything to be too far for you.
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>>1817913
Yea but that was back in the game, lots of time has passed since then so shouldn't they all be warriors by now?
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>>1817916
What? I always comment when something is too far for me, hell i did it last time during the YES/NO vote.
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>>1817917
Why would they be? There is no war to fight. Zion is safe

>>1817919
Then you are not the person I call plan anon. I always get into fights with him as "moralfag".
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>>1817893
Let me remember. Didn't it take us, the courier to come and save their asses from the rival tribe which wanted to join Legion?

Who will come to save us when NCR comes knocking? Or when the Legion? Or any other major threat?

Exactly. Fucking nobody.
We will defend ourself. Our people defend themselves. The robot army that they made possible defend us.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LAY AROUND AND SUCK ON NATURE'S TIT

So yeah, I think Joshua and his tribals are wrong. In fact we offered our protection to them which further proves my point.
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>>1817925
>Why would they be? There is no war to fight. Zion is safe
No it's not, we told Joshua Zion wasn't safe and i don't think he's one who would forgo preparing for the worst.
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>>1817905
What the hell are you talking about?
Read QM posts. Arcade is literally saying our citizens are no different from these tribals.
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>>1817926
>Joshua is wrong.
You better shut your mouth cause you are saying some aggravating shit.
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>>1817934
Yea, he's pointing out your hypocrisy.
Like seriously, QM goes to write something just to point out your double standards and it goes flying over your head. >>1817753
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Have we voted for this turns actions yet or can i still submit my own?
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>>1817935
No amount of fan boy dicksucking will change the fact that Joshua and his tribe are fucked when NCR, Legion, MLA, BoS comes. Or us for that matter if we decide to be hostile.

The fact that he will need an outside force to protect their "purity of life" proves that is completely and utterly wrong.
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>>1817964
I feel that the your main purpose in this quest is to just antagonize other players.
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>>1817964
And of course it is up to you, with your noble civilized ways to save them from their savage ways. The fact they were in danger had nothing to do with the fact they were vastly out numbered, and outgunned. It is completely because they did not accept CIVILIZATION into their hearts.

The mormons were almost wiped out too. DId they lay about sucking nature's tit? or is that just what you call anyone smaller than you.

If they are weaker, it is because they are lazy and degenerate, if they are stronger they cheated, Eh?
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>>1817964
We don't even have an idea of how Joshua is defending Zion, he could be setting up traps for a guerrilla war for all we know.
Seriously you're just calling their way of life wrong because you think they haven't done shit ever since we left, which is completely wrong.
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>>1817974
Speaking of guerrilla warfare, now that we have working diggers we should begin building a camouflaged tunnel system to allow our troops to rapidly move across our territory so they can preform hit and run against anyone who invades.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Tunnel_network
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Okay I'm back.

We still have consensus right?

>>1817974
You can always ask him but from last you saw, like he did when you were there, he applied the knowledge and tactics he gained both as a follower and as a legate. Teaching them firearms maintenance, guerrilla warfare tactics, skirmishing and scouting, and such
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>>1817997
Yeah, that's what the MLA is doing. Including the Divide, so our tunnels would intersect.
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>>1817312
>>1818001
Here's mine real quick.

>civ
Get hexacrete
>construct
Build a Large solar farm.

>hero
- Go to the MLA i guess.
- spend time talking/courting Diana
-spend time with our family and kids.
-go visit the Chinese and see how they are doing. Visit in-laws and Sam.

>research
Neurology research for the post scarcity guys

>zax research
Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

>bio research
Better farm plants

Passive contrsuct
Eyebot repair bots.
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>>1818006
>so our tunnels would intersect.
Well, tunneling will still be straight as long as the drills don't touch
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>>1817973
Our "Civilization" started with one guy with a dream and 7 people willing to believe that dream. In like 5 or 6 years we have become a power that local superpowers will think twice about being hostile with.
We used the power of advanced civilization to get to this point.

So yeah, factions which had more time, people and favorable environment are shit because they are fucking lazy and did not utilize resources at hand.
NCR started with a small village. Legion was just couple of tribal villages united. BoS was a stranded brotherhood chapter devasted by a storm. I don't fucking know what MLA's deal is.
They worked with what they had and became powerful in their own way instead of sitting around, letting neighbors become stronger and guts them.
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>>1818006
Which is why we should start claiming subterranean territory as soon as possible before they expand even more.
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>>1818001
For fucks sake, please OP, just make a separate vote on the minor thing that people didn't completely agree with.

It's ridiculous to expect 20 something people to completely agree on a list with like 10 actions in it.
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>>1818028
Which minor thing is that, I'm just trying to make sure that we have an action plan with three votes in it.

If you mean the rockets, the consensus seems to be just replicating their own designs.
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>>1818011
The only disagreement is building rocket launchers, THe civ, construct, research, zax and bio research and passive construct actions are agreed upon.
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>>1817607
>>1817627
>>1817628
>>1817652
4 for the replicating their designs.

>>1817457
Writing!
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>>1818030
Three votes with pretty much the saame things, just contention on building rocket launchers, which is solved
>>1817544
>>1817319
>>1817326
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Hey QM, does the Nursery have enough power to generate some metal?
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>>1818039
Yes actually.

But you would need to build a disintegrator replicator there.
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>>1818039
That would be from the Universal replicator, which isn't finished.
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Updated pastebin of things to do
https://pastebin.com/GMfdS7Z3
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QM, does that pact we entered in with the dark priestess the last time we visited the MLA apply in perpetuity?
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>>1818083
No we have to refresh it. Better this way.
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>>1818083
>>1818098
I am pretty certain it still applies.
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>>1818102
I think we looked at the wording and it only applied until we got home, which we did. So we're good.
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>>1818102
>-this contract grants you safe passage for the duration it is due, until the end of your journey here, and once you have left the MLA

So it's a one trip ticket.
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>>1818123
So we need to make it again for this meeting - easy.

QM can we do this in one post and just use the same process as last time? Otherwise it will drag out again.
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>1818151
Yeah, just ask for the same deal as last time.
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>>1818035
>>1817654
>>1818036
Yep.

>>1818151
Yeah.

>>1817663
>More accurately, Niner only has a few. We have no way of proving expansion ain't expanding.
I doubt it, they were making Junk AA cannons last we checked. Their researchers couldn't reproduce it after seemingly months of effort, only salvage it. If they weren't getting those, they were likely going to keep making GLA-like Junk AA quadcannons.

>>1817627
>Yeah we can do junk stuff for now and tell them better things are in the works and see if they want multi-shot or single shot.
I know what you mean, but you mean single or multi-use, right? Not as in they can fire multiple AAs at the same time unless you plan on making a Beggar's Bazooka from Team Fortress 2?

>>1817654
>>1817627
>>1817664
>>1817704
Also we already agreed on seeing what they'll pay more out the ass for, how, and how much it'll tip the balance so it's a bit moot.
We weren't going to spend the research action to make quality AA because we already had other things in mind, at least for this run. Best to see if the MLA could sway our mind for this deal.

Also wow, I'm surprised at how we kept making more shitstorms while I was gone.
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>>1817894
>Is there a problem with that that i'm not aware of?
Besides it being slavery and child soldiers effectively? None that I can think of.

>>1817906
The second comment is a simplification of my statements about the potential for the Courier to do serious damage to NCR industry but that was a long time ago and a statement made without much of the information we have now.

Fact is that back then it might have made the difference between victory and defeat at the NCR capital but they are industrialised now and too massively to effect so easily.

>>1818012
To be fair we got around most of the difficulties by a mix of luck and salvaging pre-existing infrastructure / group's for support. Industry from the Chinese, science from big mt and the followers, people from NV and so on.

Without any of that we'd have been far worse off, so really it comes down to us having the Courier around to take advantage of all the shit he's seen in his life and shit.


Must sleep, replies in 16 odd hours.
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>>1818223
>I doubt it, they were making Junk AA cannons last we checked. Their researchers couldn't reproduce it after seemingly months of effort, only salvage it. If they weren't getting those, they were likely going to keep making GLA-like Junk AA quadcannons.
Actually this shit we're making currently is their design made from a pipboy (they found a working / repairable factory) and a conventional rocket. They can produce them and will almost certainly get better at making them and more of them given time.

>I know what you mean, but you mean single or multi-use, right?
Yeah.

>Not as in they can fire multiple AAs at the same time unless you plan on making a Beggar's Bazooka from Team Fortress 2?
That'd be nice too but save it for vehicles since it'd be heavy as hell.
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>>1818239
>Actually this shit we're making currently is their design made from a pipboy (they found a working / repairable factory) and a conventional rocket. They can produce them and will almost certainly get better at making them and more of them given time.
I'm talking about the Old War AAs, not the Junk AAs. There's a good chance they'll eventually improve them, but I'd imagine that'd be a few years down the road. That was what they could reverse-engineer and get the industry for.

>(they found a working / repairable factory)
Wasn't that a cache of old Pipboys? I don't remember it being mentioned it could be used to produce more. Plus it was the equivalent of GPS units.

>That'd be nice too but save it for vehicles since it'd be heavy as hell.
Yep.

>>1818225
>Must sleep, replies in 16 odd hours.
See you then. Don't you worry your pretty little head anon, I'm sure we'll do something that you'll completely end up hating afterwards.
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At least some people like my fan fic attempt at writing. I give it a 6/10
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Okay passed out and now fully rested who'se here?
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>>1818777
yo
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>>1818777
Here.
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>>1818777
Yo
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>>1818777
kind of here
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>>1818777
Here
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>>1818777
hello.
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>>1817457
>>construct
>Build cranes
The Old Crane is a sorry sight. Not used since the Great War, it survived your search for scrap metal as well.

Thankfully you are now prepared to restore it to glory.

Repair bots scan the vehicle up and down day and night, detailing every last nut and bolt and what needs to be repaired and fix. They take the thing apart, first the cable, then the crane, then the frame.

It all had to be rebuilt, refurbished, redone, and like a giant clock maker's table every part was cleaned or bad parts churned out from your factories.

Until at last the greatest vehicle in your arsenal now looks shiny and clean, humming with a huge glowing electrical alien battery hooked up to local power, built with the strength and power of a Chinese tank engine, and ready to aid in the construction of ever larger projects or dig in the mines!

+1 Giant Crane
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>>1818844
Go on...
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>>1817457
>civ
Get hexacrete

The new Universal Loaders work excellently at the task of mining, being stronger and more durable than the Construction Protectron model.

Digging out more minerals from the Twin Mines, and loading them into rail cars with the aid of construction vehicles.

Food is spent of course, as these are the old model that still run on Diesel, but with the new electric train, vast amounts of Hex Crete are gathered.

>ZAX(CEO)
"I would want to electrify all our vehicles, we should stop being reliant on biofuels as a primary source and keep them as an emergency measure.

We can't currently sustain such electrical usage, but it is something I wish to pursue eventually."
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>>1817457
>>research
>Neurology research for the post scarcity guys
Brain Extraction technology was a fundamental science in the US Government. Everything from Robo-Brains, to Cybernetic Dogs.

Brains are superior to computers in the level of programming complexity they can take. They provide a superior means to Artificial Intelligence (which while possible without brains is exceedingly difficult and usually involves scanning and mimicing brain function anyway).

But while Brain Extraction is one thing, only here at BigMT was Brain Extraction ever possible, while keeping the human subject alive. And you were the very first one, all because of those two little bullets benny gave you.

Thankfully, here at BigMT, the specialty of the day is Brains. Particularly Dr. Mobius, whose specialty was Brains, and who had a hand in the transition of the Think Tank into what they are today. Not to mention, you have gifted minds such as Doctor Henry and Dr. Bradey's Brain, themselves also familar with the Enclave's own efforts to remove and experiment with cybernetic brains.

>con't
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Question, Can we clone new brains from that one place and use them as literal program beds for our robots?
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>>1818933
No, clone brains don't work cause they aren't born naturally.
Funny enough that might be evidence that people have souls.
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>>1818938
Maybe with our previous cloning understanding, but we have a neew cloning facility that makes living breathing farm animals. Can't be too out there to make good quality brain. Or chimpanzee's if we need to substitute.
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>>1818924
Further proof of the effectiveness of Brains as superior computer intellects is Rufus, a Human mind turned into a Cyberdog as a cruel practical joke by the Think Tank shortly after they were turned into brains themselves.

He's one of your actual robotics scientists, and very good at what he does.

According to Dr. Henry and Bradley's Brain, the enclave found out that the fastest and most conclusive way to study brains would be to take them apart. Literally. The enclave derived much neurological knowledge from their "Prisoners of War" by hooking up brains (typically while the person is still conscious and still brained) to computers and vivisecting them to thoroughly map each and every individual detail. This was far superior to simply theorizing what each element of the brain actually does.

Dr. Mobius research supports this, stating how Dr. Klein and Borous evidence pointed to the same, though he did his best to keep them strictly to Cyberdogs, but inevitably the lobotomite program still went through.

The issue with that is you'd need actual humans and the expectation that they are probably going to end up as more lobotomites. Considering the complexity of the Brain, you're looking at anywhere upwards of at least 40 subjects, of different genders and ages to help account for discrepancies, but probably more. They stress, again, that this will likely result in lobotomites.

Some of your more moral followers voice their objections. While this is the most straightforward path and could yield results within months, they think it worthwhile to pursue alternative and less scrupulous paths even if it takes longer, even if it takes years. Particularly Arcade, but you feel you /can/ convince them.

This is not a very well tested science and the records of the Enclave are blown up.

But it will open the gateway to a number of new neurological discoveries:
-An alternative method of Tesla Coil function may be discovered, which will not be blocked out by Radar Fences or other interference
-Disconnections in memory and amnesia could be potentially cured, such as Dr. Bradley's Brain and his super mutant companion
-More effective Brain implantations and entirely new chips could be devised

In addition, you yourself remember that you have the five reavers frozen who themselves have Brotherhood Brain implants and could be worth investigating.

AHS-9 believes that implants could improve his psychic abilities, but only if you experiment with other brains with the ability.Luckily this won't require lobotomization (maybe) but you'd have to find other people like him

Last but not least, Unity says that the Master also experimented with FEV injection in Brains.

CHOOSE:
>We need results now. The NCR are not waiting, not certainly for the most moral of choices. If for the greater good and to save more lives, we have to crack a few eggs, it is one of the hard choices we must make
>No, you guys are right. Even if it takes years, we do this clean
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>>1818989
>No, you guys are right. Even if it takes years, we do this clean
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>>1818989
Why not both? We'll do it clean most of the time but if we ever get someone who needs to die we just dissect his brain and gain something useful from his death.
The Legion will have good candidates for this.
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>>1818989
>>No, you guys are right. Even if it takes years, we do this clean
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>>1818989
Also, we have an immortal dog scientist? Tha't something else.
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>>1818989
We need the results now. We mind raped an innocent brain for progress. No stopping now
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>>1819047
>No stopping now
Nah, we can stop now.
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>>1818989
>No you guys are right. Years option
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>>1819038
Yup.

You always wondered if it was ever possible to put him back into a lobotomite body, but for now, he continues life as a dog.

He's actually one of the few people you have who speaks dog, as opposed to understanding it like you do.

You get the feeling he is quiet lonely, especially around Rex and Roxie, but when asked if he wanted a female companion he asked how would you feel if someone told you to fuck a dog.
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>>1819057
QM can we do both like i described here? >>1819011
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I have a feeling if we allow our scientists to believe in moral constraints now, it will be difficult to convince them later on if we absolutely need it. We should get them to think in terms of the greater good of America

>>1818989
I vote Yes to results
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>>1819060
Not really, they're sort of asking for precedence. If you say its okay to allow it but only for viscous psychopaths, well, the world is already full of viscous psychopaths and it wouldn't be hard to find them.
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>>1819068
Oh.
Give me a minute to think about it then.
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>>1819063
Moral constraints are imperative to science they keep. Science only found due to inhuman action is science not worth doing. We need limits. There must always be a line in the sand that we do not dare cross.
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Gotta love the fact last thread everybody was all over the whole 'lets just mind-fuck this bitch and make her our servant' and now its an issue.
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Just ate, im back now, writng up the rest of the update
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>>1819082
>Brain
"Do not dare cross or keep to strict limits? After all, you essentially captured 5 human brains to wipe, modify, and replace with the ZAX's programming. Logically speaking that isn't very different from what is being proposed here."
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>>1819130
Necessity vs expedience. We don't have to, so we should not. This is not secrets that can be kept. This would be the path that our entire country takes. A shining jewel of science and culture, or the old Big Empty with more man power.

We can not be too busy asking if we can to miss asking if we should.
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>>1819130
Why bother with limits, Just make sure we're not found out to the general public.
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>>1819139
This is science. It is what the public does. Who would we be keeping this a secret from, the 2 dozen farmers?
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>>1819139
Doing secret hero research actions is a possibility You did so with diana.

You're such a Genius most people won't question any miracle breakthroughs you do
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>1818010
>zax research
>Driller apc's- incorporate echoboys for navigation and control.

Rolling for reasons
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>>1819159
>A coin flip.
Oh no this is new.
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>>1819159
>ZAX(MAJOR)
"GODDAMMIT!"

>ZAX(CEO)
"The outcome was never in doubt."

Looks like the CEO one. The Echo-boy integration was a success.

The first prototype of his "Subterrine" concept bears fruit. A single squad of MKV Securitron loads up into the Drill Vehicle, programmed to enter the ground at point A and surface somewhere in Point B.

The massive drill vehicle begins to dig into the earth, sinking deeper and deeper into the soft sand, before being submerged entirely. Five minutes passes of pure silence, and then, an explosion of dirt and rocks as the giant drill smashes up through the ground and resurfaces, and out pours a squad of Securitrons guns blazing on fake targets.

>ZAX(CEO)
"The prototype is a success! All it needs now is to be weaponized."

+1 Prototype Subterrine
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>>1819167
This should be fine in getting under the the emp missles and into the command center to disable the defenses.
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>>1819167
We rogue trooper now?
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>>1819174
We NOD now
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>>1819176
Now all we need are Tiberium sun flame tanks.
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>>1819177
Devil's tongues. That's next on the list.

Use echo boys to find the largest pocket cluster, drill down and fill the tunnels with smoke and fire.
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>>1819184
We also need to stark making a tunnel network, turn our territory into something no army can cross.
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>bio research
>Better farm plants
You explain your situation to Diana.

Rather than farming a variety of plant material, you plant the most effective mass growing plant varieties which do not consume so much water. Then through the use of a BCR facility you convert this into Salient Green which has a vast variety of uses, including being cooked back into other fruit.

(Though truth be told, you tried a Salient Green "orange" vs the real thing and the the real one did taste better. . .)

After analyzing your farming data, she starts synthesizing up some equipment and tells you to apply them to your farms.

So you do. Following her instructions, you gather large barrels of muddy soil from the end of the valley river, producing modified versions of the Light Switch 02 bulbs for night time growth, and start spraying, injecting, and seeding stuff onto the farms. Mostly genome injectors and nutrient catalsysts.

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The results are immediate, within the first few weeks the Cacti are growing twice as fast and two times as large, all without seriously decreasing your water supply!

>Food Supply has doubled
>Water Supply has slightly increased

Interestingly, the cacti have also flowered and they are quite pretty. This, coupled with the application of the light switches, has James Bond reporting that:
"Teenage couples and some adults tend to frequent the farms at night to attempt courtship or escapades."

>Hero Action
Diana actually seems to like that she's improved the farms and food situation somewhere. For the first time since you chipped her, she seems genuinely smiling.

This seems like good at time as any to praise her, and enhance her behavioral modification.

>If you wish to write-in some dialogue/action say so
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>>1819189
The Current design needs further improvement before stable tunnel networks can reasonably be built.
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>>1819190
Look at this, that we are doing together. We are making the world a better place, have no doubt. You won't be forced to do anything you object too.
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>>1819192
>The Current design needs further improvement before stable tunnel networks can reasonably be built.
Why not have them slowly tunnel while followed by worker robots that stabilize the tunnel as it's excavated?
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>>1819196
>CEO
"I'm going to need a specialized design for that with some enhanced recoil absorption and vibration stabilizers. The current design immediately collapses the pocket of dirt behind itself."
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>>1819199
Can the tunnelers stay buried for prolongued periods, before popping up when they detect disturbances on the surface?
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>>1819204
>CEO
"Further research is needed but yes. In my next design, I plan on implementing a periscope system to allow observation of surface ground as well."
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>>1819199
Ah, alright
Actually that immediate tunnel collapse might be valuable somehow.
Let's call the version that doesn't collapse tunnels a Tunneler, the one that does will be called a Subterranean APC.
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>>1819206
Sure. Sounds good.
>>1819205
Have you ever played with the possibility of installing a flamethrower instead of a troop compartment?
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>>1819190
>Thank you. That is honestly amazing to see such growth happening.
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>>1819211
>Have you ever played with the possibility of installing a flamethrower instead of a troop compartment?
"Mhm, yes. I prefer modular capability.

I'm considering designs for a rocket and artillery platform, an underground drill-torpedo launcher, and an armored tank variant as well."
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>>1819223
Oh great. So we can pop up a fire base wherever, whenever. That would be handy.
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The communication issue still hasn't been fixed right? Let's research Subterranean messengers next turn.
They're basically a small quadruped/insect bot with a disintegrator drill and designed to be as fast as possible, they will detach from the main craft with a message and immediately head for the nearest command location to deliver it.
They can also self destruct in case the enemy captured them.
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>>1817894
>Why the hell do they need to be deprived of free will if their indoctrinated?
>Like literally just do everything except the last part and you have perfectly good loyal elites.
This anon gets it. And you >>1818225 dont you start again with your bullshit browbeating.

What I referred to was Republic Commando. Elite soldiers who understand that what they do is necessary for the nation and the safety of their brothers in arms. I do not want some propaganda spewing murderers. And I am seeing a disturbing trend of moralfaggotry where none should be. We have previously brutally murdered, literally killed people for their brains and lied, cheated, stolen. And yet now, when we again, need to do things for the good of the nation, you cry foul and call it inhumane. Stop this trying to be nice for the sake of being nice. It makes no sense and instead of focusing on bigger issues like the MLA/Legion slaving in the hundreds of thousands, sacrifices, genocide, you focus whether we use the brains of bad people or wether we should throw them away with the rest of the body. Grow up.

>>1818989
>We need results now. The NCR are not waiting, not certainly for the most moral of choices. If for the greater good and to save more lives, we have to crack a few eggs, it is one of the hard choices we must make
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>>1819223
>I'm considering designs for a rocket and artillery platform
Oh man that would be useful for my idea, they would be basically the Tiberium wars NOD turrets.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/SAM_turret_(Tiberium_Wars)
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>>1818989
I'll vote to tiebreak.
>No, you guys are right. Even if it takes years, we do this clean
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>>1819231
There is no reason not to have moral faggotry. We can do wrong and seek to make them right karmically. You act like the people crying inhumane are not the people crying inhumane for every other despicable thing we do. We can be moral and defeat the legion and MLA.
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>>1819240
There is being moral and then there is sacrificing the good of the realm for your honor. QM wrote it well: it is one of the hard choices we must make. That does not mean it is easy but it is something we have to do if we want us to be able to defend ourselves. There are eldritch monsters, hostile aliens and multiple empires out there who want us dead. This is a fight for survival, make no mistake.

And besides, I am not saying kill our own citizens. We have plenty of enemies to choose from.
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>>1819218
>Diana
"You're welcome Courier." she smiles back and blushes, and then immediately recognizes it and backtracks "I mean- surely a Goddess of Life would be more than able to spread the her blessings at will!"

>>1819195
>Diana
"How can I be sure? You're someone who will do anything to get what you want. How can I know?"
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>>1819249
And we're surviving and growing well enough without human experimentation. It's taking the easy way, and nothing worth doing is easy.

>>1819253
You will just have to see for your self, and trust.
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>>1819257
Thats the worse thing to say to somebody your literally forcing to work for you.

>>1819253
I can't wait to see the entire world once more be as life like as this.
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>>1819259
yeah. I guess.
>>1819257
Disregard the comment to Diana.
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>>1819190
Do praise Diana for her effort. She is making life easier.
Bring her one of the cacti flower.
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>>1819257
Again with this no-argument "its better this way because it it hard" crap. The whole of BigMT is built on human experimentation. Now we have the chance to make a better system for half the inhabitants (who are debrained) and convince the other half to join in the revolution and you want to stall this on the grounds of "this seems wrong". I am not advocating for genocide here I am saying that we can use our enemies to our advantage and frankly, this is a price worth paying many times over.

I am asking you to put your moral high ground to the side for the betterment of the people.
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>>1819266
Quick question, who would you use for Brain dissection?
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>>1819267
>Brain
Logically speaking, it would behoove you to pick people like cannibals, rapists, murderers, and sadists.

Probably not MLA (though a possibility) but there's bound to be some raider gangs anywhere the big nations don't have much sway.

Legion are also candidates that few people of the public would complain about, or complain less.
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>>1819267
refer to >>1819270

Again, we dont cut our own people and are selective about it. There is plenty of bad stock in need of culling anyway.
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>>1819270
>>1819272
Alright, i change my tiebreaker here >>1819236
>We need results now. The NCR are not waiting, not certainly for the most moral of choices. If for the greater good and to save more lives, we have to crack a few eggs, it is one of the hard choices we must make
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You tactically ignore Diana's question. You read it on her face that seems to get the impression if her objection to having her brain and mind being forced was ignored, really she shouldn't be surprised by anything else you make her do. Saying nothing tells her what she needs to know.

>>1819259
Instead, you tell her how great it will be when the entire world is green again, and place a flower pot of the cacti flowers from the Mojave.

It's a nice gift actually, and she appreciates it. She doesn't have any of the Mojave's plant or flower samples, so she scans and adds it to her genome repository and this makes her happy. She keeps your flower pot by her brain.

>You feel as though she is progressing nicely
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>The nursery only has Protectrons and Sentry bots.
We should give the Nursery some more robots like Securitrons and Loader bots.
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You return home to your children again, who are always happy to see Daddy come home. They rush up to you and hug you every time, always asking about where you've been or if you're going to "stay". It still hurts every time you have to say you can't. They also want to know if big sister Sam is coming back, but Dandan but she's still with Dandan in training.

Everyone of them wants a hug, for you to lift them up again (which you're very happy to do and can lift them all up in your arms), or to play with what time they have when you're here.

You remember their names now:
-Christine, Veronica's Daughter - Bright and sharp tongued just like her mother, wants to be a scientist
-Richard, Wendy Gilbert's son. Wants to grow up and be a soldier like mum and join the freeside rats as soon as he's old enough. gets into fights though.
-Samuel, Sonia's son. Big and strong, but a bit quiet and shy. Friendly though, likes to tinker by himself, but defends his siblings
-Royce, Vanessa's son. Wants to be an adventurer and explorer and is always getting into trouble sneaking where he shouldn't and stealing things
-Xìnshǐ. She's with Dandan and Sam at the Chinese ship right now

Whenever their mothers are busy or away, Alexis and the other AI's watch over them. Comparitively to other chldren of the age, they're smart, but you think you shou;d need to actually get the school system revamped and capitalize on new educational technology.
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>>1819284
We should probably scrap those bots too. Completely useless compared to our robots.
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>>1819311
>Would you like to spend time with any of them (group or individual)? Take them out on something fun/teach them something?
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I just remembered, we should definetly have the ZAX research the Valence radii-accentuator.
It's a holograhm that can heal the wearer, we might be able to turn it into something like this.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Voice_of_Kane
Just a big hologram that can heal/buff nearby troops.
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>>1819327
Is the anon with the pastebin still here? Can he add this to it?
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>tfw its one of those nights where I'm awake but reasonable anons are sleeping
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>>1819311
>>1819325
Honestly, Lets take them on a proper outing as a group, Full family bonding time.
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>>1819330
You wound me QM.... ;(

>>1819325
Take them all around the city and introduce science/military options and try to inspire greatness (for the state).
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>>1819311
Wow, that's an adventuring party right there.
Maybe we should construct an educational playground/dungeon/small town manned by robots so that they can learn all variety of skills in safe environment.
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>>1819337
Yeah. The best thing for kids to grow up strong is Hunger Games :)

But this actually brigs up a valid point: how much would a sports/combat games system benefit the population? I think 1 construction action would be enough to get an arena up but would it be worth it in terms of +patriotism +morale and +citizens going into the military?
>>1819330 QM, what do our adjutants think?
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>>1819325
>>1819335
Yeah, let's show them around. Show them our military hq and training grounds, science labs, robotic and war factories, etc.
Teach them things we know, theory first. Maybe tell them interesting stories which happen with us on our adventures.
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Back for a bit, seemed to have gone pretty well.

>>1819253
>"How can I be sure? You're someone who will do anything to get what you want. How can I know?"
>>1819280
So nobody had an answer to that? A shame.
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>>1819337
>>1819339
Almost everyone thinks it would be a wonderful idea, for two separate reasons.

A civilian sports gymnasium would be a great way to encourage cultural sports. The NCR has them, and so could we. There could be swimming contests, running contests, boxing and martial arts, and it would be quite the architectural improvement.

On the other-side, Joeclyn has been pestering you for a big battle playground with robots and holograms to shoot at with live ammo. Currently only the military gets to use the training ground (and that in itself is in need of some major upgrades).

You recal the X-8 training facility, which helped improve skills in hacking, sneaking past defenses, lockpicking, and avoiding or disarming mines, and target practice all of which could easily be replicated. Hell the entire X-8 facility itself could be remade purpose built for that.
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>>1819342
Seems clear that the player/Courier intends to keep their options open. Rather than lie and make her do something she'd object anyway in the future.
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>>1819335
1 for this, anyone else? Otherwise moving on
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>>1819343
Can we do all of these and make a big entertainment/sports/educational complex?
No to live ammo though, we will develop special weapons which will feel and handle like real ones but won't be lethal and special armor/harness which detects shots (something like laser tag)

OP could you make a task list if we need several things to achieve this. I feel we are more motivated to finish things when they are in a list form.

>>1819342
Didn't realize we needed to give an answer to that.
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>>1819346
I support that. It is late for me, QM.
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>>1819346
>>1819349
>>1819341
That's 4 now, including me.

>>1819343
Neato.
>>1819348
Would be quite an attraction if we made it.

>Didn't realize we needed to give an answer to that.
It happens. It did sound rather important, but we sidestepped it from the looks of it.
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>>1819343
No civilian gets into BigMT only for this. If we build things for the public they will be outside the dome. However, I approve of making a sports center for the people in the city. Have as many different spaces as possible (in a turn or two) and incorporate a shooting range. If the people want more combat they can sign up with the military for now. Also, how feasible would gladiatorial games be? Not in the sense that they go and cut each other to bits but a combat encounter where people test their mettle against each other within a changing environment, obstacle courses and so on.

>>1819345
Keep her as happy as can be but start pushing for our needs. For example, have her research genemods next. Go for stats increase mods.
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>>1819346
I'm also for it >>1819341
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>>1819348
When you pursue them with an action I will automatically generate a list
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>>1819341
Writing.

Any specific stories/lessons you wanna teach? This is a good time for player input
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>>1819359
That father loves them and wishes he could be at home instead of doing all the crazy shit he does that's super deadly
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>>1819359
Progress through superior technology is paramount. Dont fight hard, fight smart.
The family, and through proxy the state, comes first. When we all are dead Family, lives on.
Dont be afraid to improve yourself or your peers, point out bad and offer solutions, not blame.
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>>1819359
Our more waky adventures would be good.
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>>1819359
Don't count your eggs before they hatch
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>>1819359
Go with all four and lets move on.
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>>1819359
Perhaps tell them our adventure in Sierra madre?
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>>1819362
>>1819363
Supporting these.
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>>1818989
>>We need results now. The NCR are not waiting, not certainly for the most moral of choices. If for the greater good and to save more lives, we have to crack a few eggs, it is one of the hard choices we must make

In for a penny, in for a pound.
Lets not pretend we are good guys anymore. I might vote differently before we betrayed BoS and enslaved Diana.

Besides, we will kill tons of Legion soldiers, and we know for a fact that they will fight to death and will never surrender. Might as well get use of them.


OP, did we scan the tranq gun?
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You take your 4 year olds on a tour through the facilities. At such a young age, though bright and eager, you don't expect them to retain much yet but getting used to sights, sounds, and places will be helpful especially when they get older.

The training ground is in use and not safe for small children, but they get to see the big strong soldiers in training, and you tell them they are taller than the other people because you used science to make them tall and strong. Christine says her mommy said they put computer chips in their brains and in their muscles to make them smart and strong, and that they also take out their brains to talk to, like Daddy's brain. You praise her for remembering well.

Richard says he wants to have his brain removed and be strong too, and you tell him he'll have to wait until his brain stops growing when he's older.

Next you take them to the robot factory, the observation room at least. Here you show them this is where the robots are made, from Mr. Handy's to big Securitrons, that protect the nation. Samuel and Christine like it here, both of them want to play with the controls, but you show them what they do instead and tell them and show them a little bit about repair.

Hmm, you consider inventing small safe toys to teach children about electronics. Better tack that onto the school action in general.

Royce meanwhile is always trying to sneak off somewhere and touch things, just because he's curious. He reminds you of yourself at that age. Rather than instill fear in him and suppress his abilities, you show him the danger signs and their meaning, and how you yourself when sneaking have to be aware of danger. You tell him you will build a place for him to practice how to sneak and hide, and how to avoid danger.

Lastly you show them the Military HQ, where the ZAX and General Kreger are planning a military operation. It takes a lot of smart people and smart machines, working together, to plan an operation. There they have a holographic map of the Divide, and you show them how to read a map and remember places and geographic directions like north, south, east, and west.

>con't
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>>1819385
>OP, did we scan the tranq gun?
Yes.

You can make more of it through replication but modifying it to be better will take research. But its pretty good right now.

The gun insists you implement something to where he is easily recognizeable a the first.

>OW Tran Gun
"Bugger if I'm going to be just another clone! I'm the first of my class!"
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>>1819385
I will give you that Diana was a distasteful action. However it was necessary. As to the BoS they dont know shit and they are not compatible with us.

You have the right in the fact that many will die. It is our choices in how we go about this how many it is. Precision strikes and overwhelming force can end the war far earlier than a trench war that drags on. However I dont think that if we give the Legion soldiers a chance to surrender none will take it. We should not butcher the senselessly.
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>>1819389
Give/carve/paint it a name.
"Jolly hunt" maybe?
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>>1819391
We only need about 40 brains. I really doubt we will be able to wage war with Legion and avoid killing more than 40 people.
I'd say that about 80% of their soldiers should be absolute diehard soldiers who will never surrender (like the prisoner we had).
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>>1819389
Gold plating and a little crown on the scope.

Also this >>1819393
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>>1819393
>>1819395

>Not naming it Teddy Roosevelt

Come on guys
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>>1819394
Probably true. I expect many of them will want to die over being with us. However I think the reality of the situation of a giant hoverbot mowing down people will make you think twice. Add to that the fact that everybody is different and I expect that 20% is a good starting point for surrender. Screen the survivors and give them new lives (under heavy surveilance) and have them slowly convert themselves.

I dont want us to not defend ourselves because the people might be not that bad but I also dont want unnecessary bloodshed. Everyone deserves a second chance. But not a third one.
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>>1819398
Seems more british than cigar-smokin, whisky-drinkin, tobacco-spittin, yankee.
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>>1819362
>>1819364
You do your best to tell your children these lessons, as far as 4 year olds can grasp moral concepts and ideologies, which isn't much. Maybe when they're older.

Though a little bit of it makes sense. Christine and Samuel mostly think technology is cool, Richard says when he grows up he'll "be the best soldier! Like Daddy! I'm never gonna die!"

>>1819374
>>1819363
You tell them a little bit about some of your adventures, censored mostly. Okay, a lot. They're able to tell you what parts of it they liked, Richard likes the parts where you zap the bad guys and they turn to ash, Christine and Samuel ask lots of questions, Royce wants to explore new places like you.

>>1819361
They all hug you and love you too, some of them even cry when you have to go.

"Come back soon Daddy."
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>>1819405
>They all hug you and love you too, some of them even cry when you have to go.
>"Come back soon Daddy."

Aww
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>>1819405
Next you're off to visit the Chinese.

You visit your In-Laws, who invite you to dinner. You chat with them politely, practicing your Mandarin. You ask them how life is, and they say things have been good since the nightmare has ended. The Chinese have been expanding into the mothership and gaining new technological insights, and there is more room for families. Everyone is still hoping for the "great day when we can build New China" (i.e. when they get to colonize the outside world) and are proud of their soldiers fighting for the "America-China Alliance".

Both your daughters (their grandchild and grandniece(?)) are given to the State Training Program.

So you decide to visit them. Dandan is there as the head of their elite program.

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You enter the main town again, and pass through their school. Its much larger than the one you have and by all that you see, far far more disciplined and in use. Education and training of the youth is a fundamental part of their communist chinese ideology.

Chinese Children, at least the ones here, like their people, seem to be a lot more formal and mature than their New World counterparts. Students walk in neat rows and lines, follow rules and guidelines, and wear their school uniforms clean and orderly.

Most of the students are at a big assembly hall, where Dandan is, and you are invited there. There's a big crowd sitting and watching silently as a small girl is performing some sort of intricate sword dance on stage.

Then you realize its Sam.
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>>1819424
Is there a location suitable nearby? Any old semi-town we can give the chinese that is not too far away from us? We can build the houses, water and other facilities ourselves but is there somewhere suitable? Preferably a few miles from NW.

The point is to get them out of the ship and start using it as more than squatting space. Maybe we can figure out more alien tech.
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>>1819424
You can tell a lot about a person and what they've been through by body language. And Sam is speaking volumes to you.

You watch her body, moving firm and gracefully without hesitation or tremble, as though she had practiced this a hundred times, seemingly treating the weapon in her arm as an extension of her body which is now like a 9 year olds. Her balance and agility are sharpened, strength tapered with finesse.

Her ginger hair is kept neatly, not messy and loose as before, and on her face you see a slow burning determination in her eyes, utterly concentrated and focused. You see a few scars on her cheek and chin.

She dances and whirls and pantomimes, thrusting kicks and punches, not once slipping up or being distracted even as a hundred eyes stare at her. Even as you are clearly there watching her.

Whatever Dandan and the Chinese are doing here, its very effective.

When it is over, silence reigns the room, as is the Chinese tradition they do not clap or holler. Silence seems to have an heir of respect to it, and she bows and walks off stage.

>con't
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>>1819436
Not really, at least, not already taken.

The east has Baker and after baker is the Mojave and the Legion proper.

The west at Barstow is the NCR.

Trona has no water.

And newberry springs is already being pumped to BigMT with only enough water to maintain the farms and people living there.

If there are other good places, they'd be further away than the "Big" Empty.
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>>1819424
Should we.... should we let the Chinese colonise the nursery? Obviously the facilities would be off limit and the tribals would live separately
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>>1819443
How many live in newberry? Can we not ship the chinese over there and build subterranian farms to conserve water? That way there is already some infrastructure there. And we can build on that. Make a railway to it and add power lines and Alexa support. Should be doable. We can really use the farmers more for skilled jobs.
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>>1819444
No, keep exposure to a minimum. If we settle them there the risk of discovery rises harshly and we risk losing the base.
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>>1819444
>>1819448
Why don't we just..set up our Utah colony already?
With that we get space where the Chinese can settle and link the Nursery with our border.
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>>1819450
That is a possibility. If they agree to agressively expand and keep the border secure I fully agree to have them settle there. The only problem I have is connection. They need to be fully connected to our system and we need to be able to dictate our goals to them. If we keep them in line they can have all of Utah to frollock in. However, we should also slowly assimilate them. Have them learn our language and start taking our ideals to heart. I understand they are basically vassals already, now we just have to annex.
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>>1819448
Agreeing with this, I don't think that's a good idea.

Letting them settle the outside is cool (at least somewhere within our territory), but not the Nursery.
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>>1819457
Hmm. You're right. We should wait till we turn big Mt green and then have them settle close by our capital. That way we can passively influence and assimilate them.
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I think it is funny how Chinese are afraid that American capitalist ideals will take over when our society is not exactly capitalistic.
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>>1819437
You meet up with Dandan, and she's glad to see you.

She seems happy to be back at the mothership, training the next generation.

You ask her about what training entails. The Chinese emphasize discipline, fortitude, teamwork and individual sacrifice. Sam is part of a select group which is kept to higher standards than even the rest of the Chinese school children, bred specifically from ages 7 and up to be Chinese Warriors.

Everything is regimented and on a schedule that they themselves maintain. Being dressed and outside for morning exercises by 5:45 till 7:30, a short time for breakfast where they cook their own meals and clean their own dishes until 8:50, then more training until 11:50 for lunch, then training begins again sharply at 12:10 till 4:00 when educational studies begin and then at last at 6:20 they are called to wash up: they only shower twice a week, a wet cloth must suffice them everywhere else, but they are also expected to clean and iron their own clothes. By 8:30 they have to be in their dorms, and then its lights out.

Normal students get every sunday off. Sam and the other Crimson Dragoon prospects get the first sunday of every month off, but can expect night time training that same day. Every other sunday is Crimson Dragoon specific training which are harsh and it is expected to be where most prospects are weaned away.

Sam, like everyone else in the group, must maintain not only a standard to avoid being kicked out but compete with the very best of the normal students to stay in the program or be replaced.

Sam had a lot to learn, as both an outsider and reliant on her hive-mind. But she was a fast learner, both of the language and of their ways. She had to train her to dull her own pain, hunger, or weakness, which are natural and important warning signals, but allow herself to feel and concentrate through it. Sam chose to keep the scars from injuries she gathered, heal them like any other person, so that she remembers her failures and learns from her mistakes.

Thus far, Sam is Dandan's best pupil. They get a visit from their parents every six months, so if you wish to speak to her, now is the time.

>Dandan
"Normally, they continue their training until they are 13 when they get two years to be at home with family, before committing to our adult training program by 16. From there they train until they are 18, and that is when they can decide to take the VR test or hold off to continue their training.

But, since she is accelerating at such a rapid pace, I will release her in 1 and a half more years if she continues to exceed my standards."
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>>1819463
>Do you want to visit Sam?
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>>1819463
Where's Xinshi?
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>>1819463
Wow. I didn't realize this training regimen was supposed to take so long. I thought it would be like 4 months maximum.

Let's meet with Sam. Also call Unity.

Oh, and where is Xinshi? We want to see her too.
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>>1819467
Definitely. Call Unity here too.
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>>1819468
>>1819469
At their version of Preschool.
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>>1819473
Well, meet her too. She's our daughter after all.
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>>1819469
>>1819476
1 for this.

Anyone else?
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>>1819477
Do we really need to vote for visiting our children?
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>>1819479
Eh, you know what, I'll jut write it up.
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You tell DanDan you will return at the first of next month with Unity and want to visit Sam, and she agree's.

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Both you and Sam enter the ship, as she walks everyone is curious to see the "Red Haired Woman" who is the mother of Sam.

Many are shocked to see how . . .young she is compared to how old your daughter is. They were thinking that since Sam is growing so fast her mother would be like her too, only this is quite the opposite.

Sam and Dandan greet you at the gate of the school where she is wearing Chinese civilian clothing. She looks up to Dandan who nods and then she rushes up to give you and Unity a big hug.

>Sam
"Daddy! Mom!"

She's smiling through tears, happy to see you again. Unity is tearing up too.

>Unity
"I missed you so much Sam."

>Sam
"I missed you to mom."

>Unity
"I'm so proud of you, you've grown up so much. I want to know what it was like here."

>Sam
"Let me tell you mom. I've learned so much!"

Sam turns to you then and gives you a death grip of a hug. You are reminded of how strong she was before, but now she seems even stronger. "I missed you too daddy."

>What say
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>>1819487
Tell her that we miss her a lot too and we can't wait till her training is over.
Tell her that we are very proud of her.
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Also encourage her to keep excelling then she can finish her training faster and reunite with us
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>>1819487
What old does Unity look like?
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>>1819487
Go with >>1819489 >>1819490 and move on with the turn. We have things to do and a nation to build.
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Which one anons?
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Purifier
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_(Tiberium_Wars)
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Core_Defender
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>>1819491
16-17 give or take.

>>1819489
>>1819490
The both of you spend your day with Unity, catching up. She tells you about her training, about the friends she's made here, the people she competes with. She's learned a lot about Chinese culture and history, and is an A+ student.

From the way she acts, you definitely do get the impression she's matured a lot both emotionally and mentally.

Both of you give her your love and support, telling her that her siblings miss her, and so does Joeclyn and her other friends to, encouraging her to pursue excellence and her dreams. That you can''t wait until she'll be ready to come home again. Unity doesn't even mention hive-mind or anything like that.

You yourself are happy to see that Sam seems happy with herself.

>>1819469
>>1819468
You also visit Xinshi after she comes home from Preschool. She's a bright young 4 year old, who isn't sure what she wants to be yet. She likes to play games, and so you spend some time playing games with her. Dandan is watching her and seeing if she'll have what it takes for her to consider her program..
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>>1819494
Avatar. Making a machine for us?
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>>1819499
I'm considering what kind of giant robot we should build in the future.
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You replicate a (Large) package MLA's Junk Guided Missile Launchers and bring them by train to the Divide, where you begin moving the carts to the MLA's tunnel entrance.

Inside their tunnel network, some sort of Shaman Type in heavy radiation suit and leather and fur jacket awaits.

He points to your pocket, where you pull out a piece of paper. You're pretty sure you put it there. . .you think? It's the old contract.

>Shaman
"Our god has spoken. If you wish to enter the MLA lands, you will re-sign the pact.

But now we expect it to extend beyond your visits. This is a time nearing a great attack, and so we are increasing our vigilence"

Its the exact same contract as before, only it doesn't end when you leave and go. Thus, it ends if you break it or you tell them you wish to render it null (without any loss or penalty, so long as neither of you have voided the contract) but you will also be expected to leave the MLA if you do.

>You
(Since when did hocus pocus become so goddamn bureacratic. What is this, the NCR?)

>Accept
>Refuse
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>>1819500
At that scale I think a walking platform would be better. We have no use for arms that big anyway. For medium size something like this might be good. Powerful weapons on a tall frame. The arms or head add very little.
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>still wide awake
Fuck, why can't this happen at much better times


If you have any questions or want to pose dialogue just say so.
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>>1819500
Or for truly large scale, this seems good. >>1817222


>>1819505
Fucking cunts. Then ask them to do the same. No villager or piece of property claimed by us, directly or proxy, shall be touched. This includes salvage from the Divide, any tunnels we dig, land we grab and so on.
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>>1819512
Supporting. They do the exact same for us until otherwise..
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>>1819506
But i like giant humanoid death machines!
Perche no lo dos?
If we do go for the walking platform can we make a London Monitor?
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>>1819512
>Shaman
"Yeah, why don't you just claim the whole world while you are at it.

Our property is marked, you can see them clearly. Tell us what territory you claim as yours or if you cannot for safety which people you call allies, and we will not harm them so long as you do not harm ours."
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>>1819518
>Yeah, why don't you just claim the whole world while you are at it.
Well now, that's tempting.
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>>1819505
Also, we dont know whether anything we do outside MLA space is bad or not. We could shoot a bystander by accident and have that turn out to be a spy, maybe among the things we take over is a claimed shrine. Whatever. This whole thing is too vague to be really plausible. When in MLA territory it is fine. Their land their rules. In our lands we set the rules and they obide. That is final.

>>1819514
REALLY dislike the three legs. That thing topples over in the first step it makes. bipeds are more stable in that. And if you can reasonably explain the need for arms and a head I have no problem with it but they seem like wasted resources and whats more, wasted mass thats has to be transported around.
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>>1819518
>Our property is marked, you can see them clearly.
>>1819521
We'll do it the old-fashioned way, planting flags everywhere regardless if people are already there or not!
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>>1819518
And this is exactly the thing they ask of us. Respect their stuff wherever it is. And if they send a singe asshole into a hostile village they can take it over without us being able to shoot for fear of hitting the zealot and losing our arm or soul or whatever. This is so stupid.
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>>1819522
>REALLY dislike the three legs. That thing topples over in the first step it makes. bipeds are more stable in that.
Eh, Qm should still have Rule-of-Cool enabled so i don't believe that matters.
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>>1819505
No. It means we have to visit them and declare war if we go against them
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>>1819518
Lets have an expiration rate on the contract. Like half of a year (6 turns) or something.
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>>1819514
But monkeylords anon. The workhorse of the cybran army.
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