War, war never changes.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fallout%2C+Civ%2C+Courier%2C+New+Vegas%2C+Enclave%2C+AmericaLast Thread>>1797405You are the Courier. Father of a country, father of your children, father of your dreams. Your nation, empowered by scientists, engineers, and an all powerful computer, prospers and grows its strength at full pace in preparation for a war against another superpower that has been half a decade in the making. Right now, you find yourself in a dreamlike paradise, the Nursery, an ancient facility built by the Old World to store and protect its precious natural and animal resources. Working with a group of Reaver Skirmii from the Brotherhood of Steel, you seek to win the trust of its Human-ZAX hybrid overseer, a "Goddess Diana" in the hopes that perhaps your people might prosper from it. Somehow
>>1809111Diana's Nursery Paradise is not all so perfect as it seems, and there are a number of technical issues beyond the scope of her robots. -The Geothermal Power Plant needs fixing. This has reduced the number of robots she can use-The Robot production facility needs fixing-There is a Hedge Maze full of carniverous plants that eat wildlife and natives.-The Repository's power connection is downDiana says of all places, she forbids you from entering the "Factory". The last time she allowed someone untrustworthy, it was a disaster. Similarly, the Train Station is also off limits.Linux and her team are going to work on the Geothermal Power Plant. Your help is appreciated, but they think they can handle it.>Go and help Linux with the Power Plant>Go fight evil plants!>Go chat it up with the tribals>Go and converse to Diana some more>Go/Sneak somewhere (Where?) [The Factory, the Repository, the Greenhouse, the Fenced off Area, the Train Station]>Explore around. Collect plant and animal, samples>Other?
>>1809126Converse with Diana more now that Linux and her ilk are not here. We can properly introduce ourself, tell about our growing nation and other powers in the region. Talk about mutants and ghouls, let's get a feel what she thinks about them. Depending on how the conversation goes, we can talk about our insane technical, robotic and computer powers. How we built ZAX and other wonders. Talk about actual evil gods and star father
>>1809126>Go and converse to Diana some moreWe can trust the Reavers to not fuck anything up and hopefully they'll all die and we can keep this place a secret.Meanwhile we've got to explain in greater detail our plan / situation to Diana.
>>1809145>>1809126Also talk about our ideals and the vision for future, the steps we took towards them and the ones which will take in near future. Share our book with her. Tell her that her problems are paltry tasks that our nation could easily fix. Not only can we fix her facilities, we could build brand new ones. Also talk about aliens.
>>1809164We should probably mention what the BOS / Reaver-cult would do to not only her but her people.We should also point out our technical superiority and the fact that she doesn't have to make a decision yet. She can make herself an independent ally of the BOS for now or even remain neutral entirely.Then we conquer the Legion, create massive industrial complexes and convert her to our side by point out our massive resources and how we share the goal of ecological preservation.
>You[Diana]>Diana"Yes, Paladin Courier, what is it you wish to speak?">You[I had to wait until the others were away. You see, in as much as I am with the Brotherhood of Steel, I am also part of another group. The Phoenix Commonwealth.In fact, I am there leader. I wanted to speak to you more freely away from their ears.]>Diana"Hmph! Then you are just like Caesar's scouts. Disguising themselves as traders, merchants, or simple messengers but all the while deceiving.Why should I trust what you have to say?"
>>1809174I hate your suspicious rolls
>>1809177Is this a prompt for us to write something or are you still writing?
I just had an Idea, once we have power armour (Even very basic) production set up, we should look into making PA for our Super Mutants. We can then equip Marcus in such a set and send him out to find more super mutants and bring them back. We should also look into augments for them, but that is only eventually
>>1809177>why shouldn't you be open with all of your secrets infront of other people>The robot is retarded.I swear to god if she turns into a cunt. We need to rip her out and just take the parts.
>>1809188Hell, Power Armoured Super Mutants could even work as WH40K Thunder warriors or proto space marines
>>1809188Most definitely. In fact we should build them up scaled version of the armor that our troops have now
Oh sir, I forgot. We should also tell Diana about the evil plants in Texas and Elijah
>>1809177You try to explain your situation. You are the leader of a resurgent America, trying to establish new, better society out in the wasteland. You are surrounded by other hostile powers, the NCR with its hatred of tribalism and demand that people civilize or die. The Legion, whom they have already met. The MLA, naught but viscious gangs of raiders and ne'erdowells.And the Brotherhood, with its hatred of mutants and Ghouls.Your America seeks to learn from the lessons of the past, to avoid future nuclear holocaust, and uses the most advanced sciences and technologies to better the lives of all.Diana listens, and speaks.>Diana"Kind words and sweet givings, but so too did the Legion attempt to win us first through logic and reason. I was right not to have trusted them then. What cause should I have to trust you.Twice you have shown me insincerity. Sneaking into my chambers, and now, you seek to betray those who believe you to be comrade. They are out there assisting me, even now I see them working to repair the Power Plant. You are here to sway me to a nations cause. Not only did you lack the wisdom to come here alone, where I might have believed you, but you have also revealed myself to yet another power. For now I fear that you have brought conflict down upon my head.">Uh oh. That didn't go as planned.>Hrmmm, you weren't expecting this. What do I do now.
>>1809198Agreed. Also cranial implants ala Bone'eds from warhammer would be needed going forward.
>>1809221Also at any time you can always just go ham and try to hack and take over.You suspect that for now it should be relatively easy.
>>1809221Honestly I feel like this entire thing is fucked. She'll tell the BoS know sense they are actually helpping her unlike us who...just stood around to talk? For some stupid reason and share everything
>>1809227>You(Hmmm. This looks bad, but she isn't trying to shoot me so that's a good thing. Seems to be a major issue of lack of trust. Probably trauma from having the Legion burn and enslave everything)
>>1809232What's the most important thing she needs fixed that needs supplies from the outside world? Let's just go prove our point and fix it.
>>1809204"Twice I have shown reason. I don't intend to betray the Brotherhood, for all I may disagree with them, anytime soon. As to not coming here alone, to be frank I was expecting to be going into some old-world ruin infested with every manner of danger. Made sense to bring some backup just in case. This is before mentioning your accusation against me for sneaking into your chambers. As if that is such a horrible thing to do when you are supposed to be on a stealth mission. The simple fact is that I had no reason to risk myself or those with me who I'd point out didn't exactly complain at this decision.Lastly you accuse me of bringing conflict down on your head. These BOS members want to avoid you being discovered by the MLA and Legion, something we can all agree to. Just tell them you want to remain neutral or independent and they will most likely respect that and if not I can attempt to convince them to be silent to the BOS seeing as you aren't the objective of the mission and have not only been helpful but are a sacred object of their religion.Fact is that if things go to plan, then in a few years the entire Legion shall be subsumed into my nation and we shall share a border. We can discuss matters then.For now I would point out that I can do just as much as the Reavers if not more, I merely wanted to explain the situation to you in more detail and more honestly. Fact is that this conversation has only taken a few minutes and I can't imagine them making insane progress in that time."Good enough fellow anons?>>1809224How would we be taking over? Disabling her control? Killing her?>>1809234I'd suggest clearing out the death plants and then catching up with Linux.
>>1809204>Not only did you lack the wisdom to come here alone, where I might have believed you, but you have also revealed myself to yet another power. What a weird thing to be angry about. We were sent here by BoS for a scouting mission. She says these things as if we knew she existed before we took this mission. For all we knew, we were just looking for another Vault and from our experiences Vaults usually end in some disaster and become horror shows for explorers. No reason to believe this would have been different. BoS or any other faction would have found out about her sooner or later. Especially NCR with their air superiority. Also, why is she comparing us to Legion? Do the Legion scouts just come up and tell her who they really are? We already explained her why we snuck around. We have enough experience in the wasteland to know that most everything just attacks on sight, so we were being cautious.
>>1809204"Betray? No. I am merely introducing myself as another representative of another faction. I admire the BoS intentions which is why I had joined in the past before I became a leader of a nation. I work with them as to change them from the inside and to perhaps loosen their views on the nature on mutants. I would hardly call establishing diplomatic ties betrayal." Anons can add & change whatever.
>>1809239>Do the Legion scouts just come up and tell her who they really are?Sometimes.Frumentarii usually operate in two ways, up front and being open ambassadors to Caesar, and subtley.It depends on if they find out that they dont have any previous ideas on the Legion.
>>1809204>Not only did you lack the wisdom to come here alone, where I might have believed you, but you have also revealed myself to yet another power. For now I fear that you have brought conflict down upon my head."You are mistaken, i haven't brought any conflict down on your head it was always there, for you are between 3 factions and the BoS wishes to keep you away from the hands of the other 2, a decision i support. Also the BoS were aware of you before me, i had only heard about this location from the BoS who offered me a fair deal in exchange for a quest, a quest i could have refused to join and they would have come to you anyway, i did not lead them here, merely accompanied them."
>>1809236>How would we be taking over? Disabling her control? Killing her?All viable options.You even consider you could steal her Brain and probably bend it to your will with some apt cybernetics. Alternatively, replace her Brain with someone else you trust.
>>1809236>Fact is that if things go to plan, then in a few years the entire Legion shall be subsumed into my nation and we shall share a border. We can discuss matters then.Get rid of this. But everything else seems pretty good.
>>1809232The fact that we are honest with her should make her think a bit. Reavers and BoS are already a massive superpower. Understandably we are a bit unwilling to reveal all of our cards to them as they might demand we share our ridiculously advanced tech and facilities. Diana on the other hand has been pushed back by men in skirts and swords. So we are not afraid she would become a threat anytime soon. That is why we are laying out all the cards and explaining our situation to her in the hopes we can get her under our wing. Frankly we have the absolute best understanding in robotics, AI and human/computer hybrids around maybe in the entire world. We can benefit from each other much more than she can benefit from any other faction. The reavers come close but they are religious fanatics not really understanding the tech they use
Tell her one of the main reasons why we are not fully open with BoS because they believe that a sizeable population of our nation should be genocided just because of who they are.
>>1809250I agree. At this point the NCR is more likely to take over Legion. We haven't had any offensives against them ever since we fled to Big Mt
>>1809252>The reavers come close but they are religious fanatics not really understanding the tech they useHmmm, you consider you might want to actually test this theory. From what you saw in the Brotherhood they actually have a very good understanding of technology, if mired in religious symbolism. What they seem to lack is highly advanced technological means like you discovered in BigMT.Every now and then you wonder. Are there other gigantic Old World research centers besides BigMT and this "Commonwealth Institute?"It's been 5 years and now at last you can go exploring. It feels like America might have more mountains of science than Big Mountain.
>>1809249Good to know.>>1809250Fair enough.>>1809252Not to mention that we've seen nothing in her beliefs that is objectionable to us. Plus we are advancing technological far more than the BOS and can promise her equal rights to any other sapient being (I assume AI's are going to be legally equal to humans in our society, right?).Plus, we can also promise her access to our gene-bank to fix any mistakes or lost samples in hers.
>>1809261"Which include one of my wives and her child."
>>1809265Finally we have in-character, confirmed wanderlust reasoning to go to the Commonwealth.After we've dealt with a few more things, it'll be done.
>>1809266>I assume AI's are going to be legally equal to humans in our society, right?Well, ever since you discovered that Brains can be disonnected from their body after you found your lobotomized Officer, the Brain had been discussing the idea of "Brain Rights">>1809271The Commonwealth Institute was mentioned several times, but its probably perhaps the furthest away. Furthermore Barnaky hasn't granted Aerial access across his territory to you yet.
>>1809271Speaking of wanderlust. I suggest we set up a trade caravan with Cass as the leader.
>>1809274Which states and territory does Barnaky occupy?
>>1809274Didn't we know that brains can be disconnected from bodies? Our brain told us that if our body dies it will continue on living
>>1809282Disconnected as in the body still alive, rather than killed.
>>1809240>>1809250>>1809270Support.>>1809232>>1809204Would now be a good time for a diplomatic roll? We could use that boost.
>>1809274>Well, ever since you discovered that Brains can be disonnected from their body after you found your lobotomized Officer, the Brain had been discussing the idea of "Brain Rights"We should probably grant them equal rights.>The Commonwealth Institute was mentioned several times, but its probably perhaps the furthest away.True but it's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.>Furthermore Barnaky hasn't granted Aerial access across his territory to you yet.Well we can certainly ask for it or join the D.C BOS on their mission.>>1809276Eh, just tell her she's head of foreign trade / imports & exports.
>>1809265Eh, we're still better. Linux was almost ready to fall on her knees and worship Diana especially since Diana refers to herself as goddess. They talk about email going into spam as if some computer god is unhappy with them instead of knowing what actually happens. Anyway, they might be good but they are still far behind. I mean how many other factions can build their own ZAX?
>>1809286I'd rather save it for convincing the BOS Reavers to be quiet if it comes to it.
>>1809288>Eh, just tell her she's head of foreign trade / imports & exports.That wouldn't fix her wanderlust.
>>1809289You know, it's interesting thoughts like these that make me really wish you guys also decided to be sneering imperialists heh
>>1809297True but I have a differnet solution for that. We should take her, Raul and a few of our other good companions to the Commonwealth to help us secure shit. We can also deal with it by deploying her and our other companions to fight the Legion when the time comes since she'll get to travel and shit.
>>1809286You mean boon? Let's not. I feel we can get Diana trust us without burning it. Like OP said she just had ptsd from Legion
>>1809298We are sneering imperialists. We just don't worry about petty shit or assume superiority.
>>1809286>Would now be a good time for a diplomatic roll?>>1809292>>1809301No. I'm talking about rolling for diplomacy or dialogue. It only boosts us unless it's a crit fail, then that's another story. I figured we haven't rolled for dialogue yet because we don't want to get a crit fail.
>>1809298We will get there one day. First our military power should be greater or at least equal to all major factions around. Then we can look down on plebs who refuse to give up their brains to become better versions of themselves.
>>1809302It also explains why the Courier is a bit skeptical on most religions in general.He is a man of science after all. Spreading his Imperial[/spoier] truth
>>1809305Well, you roll then.
>>1809305>>1809319Please no rolling.
I need to go do some chores, I wil be back soon about an hour. Please link to any dialogue or actions you wish to do.
>>1809322These >>1809236, >>1809239, >>1809240, >>1809247, >>1809270.
>>1809325Yep. This works
>>1809325>>1809286>>1809250Remember to avoid mentioning imperialism or direct intentions to go to war at the moment, Diana doesn't seem to want to get involved in any of this business.Otherwise, I support most of this.>>1809321Alright. When do you think would be a good time for rolling?
>>1809335>Alright. When do you think would be a good time for rolling?Whenever QM asks for it, i don't want to take chances.
>>1809335>Alright. When do you think would be a good time for rolling?just only roll 100's anon.
Rolled 84 (1d100)>>1809342>>1809318I can roll a Nat 100 on talking with the AI
>>1809342But they're all 100s.>>1809335>>1809348This is good. If I recall he only takes the first one for quest-mode rolls like dialogue or quick(?)-combat.>>1809336Guess it's a bit late for that now.
>>1809348That isn't a 100 but it is the good first roll and linked to OP post. OP did say long ago in his rules he say something about being linked make it count.
>>1809236>>1809239>>1809247"From what you have told to me, your land is very far away and the Brotherhood is almost upon me. If they are as Linux has said, I would not mind them surrounding our borders, but I would insist on the sanctity and independence of my children and the nursery.My goal is to spread life into the waste, not to spread violence. The world has seen enough of it already.One day when I can be assured the world is ready for peace, I may allow my children to venture once more. But I made the mistake of being premature in my judgement before.">>1809261>>1809270"Then may the spirit of life find a way to resolve your problems peacefully. I cannot offer you shelter or bring the Brotherhood here, and I do not wish to risk bringing plague or mutation. This has happened before, and it took a long time for me to find a cure."CHOOSE>Say something else>Go and help the others>Go explore somewhere/see the locals>Start a hostile takeover. Better we take control than the Brotherhood come by and do the same
>>1809731>Say something else"Excellent, i trust that you will keep my real identity a secret from others? Moving on i wish to trade something of mine for your genetic information, my Citizens are interested in more luxuries and old world foods such as chicken eggs and other livestock."
>>1809731>Go and help the others
>>1809731Fuck it, use the lady killer perk and seduce her
>>1809731Ask her about the cure and the illness. Ask her for tech to trade
>>1809764>>1809771You get the feeling asking this right now would be a bad idea
>>1809731"A cure? For what?"
>>1809779Alright jeez, switch to.>Go and help the others
>>1809731>>Go and help the others
>>1809731>Go and help the others"I would consider you remaining in isolation like this logical for your goals and ideal to mine. We can discuss this more in the future but for now, feel free to direct me to where I am needed."
>>1809779Are you talking about the cure and sickness? or the tech? Because I say ask her what happened.
OP are you there?
You catch up with the Skirmii. In the hours you were away (as you had to make sure they were at the Thermal Plant first) they've been very busy.They had already begun to assess the various dangerous elements, scanning with advanced optics and modified V.A.T.S. to survey for threats. Mostly giant snakes, which seemed to thrive off the nearby steamvents.Linux had set up on a high position, and used her heavily modified M72 Gauss Rail. This one has a barrel extension almost a half longer, with stronger electromagnetic coils. Very heavy and with a longer barrel, rather than being reloaded with Microfusion coils, it is attached to a very large Microfusion Pack on her back. Several mechanical arms have extended, both supporting her body and holding the gun midair with machine like precision and stability.Her electronic eyes have attached to the high performance optics of the weapon, which fires not by the pull of a trigger but by alignment of the scope to target at just the right computer calculated moment.The incredible recoil from the augmented gun is almost negated as it flows from her mechanical limbs into the stone rock behind her. Covering her body her robes seem to morph into the very color of the stone, serving as excellent camoflague, and she's very clearly able to hold her breath for long periods of time.In all, she is almost literally a sniping machine, and her accuracy is on par with your own as dozens and of snakes lay dead.---Her team meanwhile, have already assessed the damage to the structure and have begun repairs accordingly as you listen in on the radio.>Macintosh"The Tech Spirit of this terminal indicates the water resevoir floor is injured. Java, have you found the water cuttoff valve.">Java"Yes, I'm shutting down the water now. . .water levels dropping.">Macintosh"Debian, initiate suturing Resevoir floor wound.">Debian"Command received."Evidently as you watch its clear they know what they are doing.>Do some sniping and chat with Linux>Help Debian repair the resevoir floor>Help Macintosh monitor the computer systems
>>1810284>Help Debian repair the resevoir floor
>>1810284>>Help Debian repair the resevoir floor
>>1810291>>1810311>>1810331You help Debian repair the Vault Floor using your expert repair skills, and also your strength to help push away giant boulders and massive debris while Debian welds the floor in place with multiple limbs.You notice he has both an Arc Welder attached to one arm, and in the other, what is unmistakably a LAER like weapon both of which he uses to mend the cracks in the floor.Debian can't but help observe you carry huge amounts of weight.>Debian"Incredible. You possess a strength like an Augment, yet the body of flesh. Were you not clearly human, one can almost think you were a super mutant.">You"Let's just say I lift a lot.Where'd you get that LAER welder?">Debian"You are wise. This is indeed based upon Laser Assisted Electric Rifle. The weapon was invented by Vault Tec before the war, and we had discovered them in one of their vaults. We have adapted it for repairs, but it is useful against the agents of Satansoft. "Rogue Robots" as the non-believers call them."You suppose its not surprising. There are lots of fancy Old World weapons out there always being discovered and some already well known and in circulation, like the Gauss Rifle, Pulse Rifles, Heavy Lasers. Vault Tec.---With the both of you working, the Resevoir floor is repaired and you climb up out of the pit as the water flows back in.>Debian"The floor has been mended.">Macintosh"Good. Re-initiating the geothermal systems now. Electrical Father bless us as we add to the Current Flow."You hear a whirring as the Geothermal Plant, its water now restored, activates and energy readings re-power the systems of the Nursery.Let's see what was next on Diana's to-do list>Go and help Linux with the Power Plant [X]>Go fight evil plants!>Restore power to the RepositoryYou may also>Go chat it up with the tribals>Go/Sneak somewhere (Where?) [The Factory, the Repository, the Greenhouse, the Fenced off Area, the Train Station]>Explore around. Collect plant and animal, samples>Try to get rid of these guys, make it look like an accident>Other?
>>1810446>Explore around. Collect plant and animal, samples
>>1810446>>Explore around. Collect plant and animal, samples
>>1810446>Go fight evil plants!And maybe>Try to get rid of these guys, make it look like an accidentBut only after checking if they want to continue onto the Vault which was our original goal / the one she gave us the location of. If they want to all come, we can eliminate them there without Diana seeing and get more tech (and possibly some things to fix this place) while we are there. If not, then we can start bumping them off now.
>>1810446Fight evil plants
>>1810463>>18104742 for this>>1810474>>18105782 for this
>>1810474That sounds like a bad idea.
>>1810602The bumping them off here, the continuing to the Vault or the killing in general?
>>1810620The killing in general.
>>1810628Why? Elimination of them prevents discovery by the BOS of the Nursery and seeing as she ain't going to attract attention to her hide-away, we can be certain that the BOS will leave her be until they've taken the region and her one of her main complaints was that we revealed her existence to another state.Still I respect that she'd probably object to us killing our fellows and shit but we can always injure ourselves on the way back from the Vault to make it seem real.
>>1810446>Go fight evil plants!>Explore around. Collect plant and animal, samplesBoth
Rolled 3, 81, 38 = 122 (3d100)>>1810674Heh.Roll me 3d100's
Rolled 63 (1d100)>>1810697
Rolled 49 (1d100)>>1810697
Rolled 23 (1d100)>>1810697Nat 100
>>1810697>>1810674Linux and her crew go to deal with restoring power to the Repository, while you say you'll handle the plants at the garden.Meanwhile, you use this time to gather many different types of plans and animals samples you've never before.What interests you a lot is the fruit. There are more fruit here than even spoken off in the old grocery store catalogs.A large majority of them are poisonous or irritating, but thanks to your survival skills you learn how to avoid them. But a good number of them are tasty and sweet! You've even found bananas! Real bananas just like the picutre! The small yellow ones are sweet and soft delicious like you've never tasted before. The big green ones are hard like potato's, but cooked over a fire they become soft and warm and good.You fill up your belly and then some with fruits and tastes you never even imagined possible. This will be wonderous when you return to BigMT and try to replicate them with Salient Green and have the BCR regrow them.+[Tropical Fruits] +[Tropical Vegetables]
Here's a pastebin of 3 lists of tasks we have. Post scarcity, 2nd construction action, and new cityhttps://pastebin.com/GMfdS7Z3
>>1810847Next you try to catalog all the animals you see here. You really don't know the names for some of these, big one-headed brahmin with curly horns; long fast things with four legs, a long neck and face, and hair growing on the back of their neck with a long tail; giant fat round creatures with huge mouths that huddle in rivers and mud; VERY fast things that look like giant cats with yellow and brown spotted fur.They have all kinds of shouts and noises and roars and you feel yourself almost overwhelmed. Not even Zion had this much wildlife. Birds seem to make entire swarms among trees, and legions of insects buzz around, though mercifully most don't sting.Some of your followers would love it here.You suddenly also find yourself staring down a giant animal. This one is big, with four legs, and a huge head and two giant ears which it flares. It has a long nose like a vaccuum cleaner, which it trumpets too as its big feet stomp the ground and it bares its horns at you.You can tell right away its meaning to charge.Where this a Yaoi Gui or a Death Claw you have several options. Vaporize it with a Tesla Beaton, Blow it to Smithereens with a Missile Launcher, gun it down with machine guns.But, thinking that you ought not to kill what might be one of the last of its species in the world, you take a less lethal approach.You stomp your two feet on the ground, shout at the top of your voice, and challenge it in full bodie armor!The beast begins to charge forward, and you press your legs and do the same, both of your heavy masses running at full speed as you raise your arms. You collide with the giant thing at full force, stopping both of you in your tracks, your feet digging into the earth as the creature shrieks in anger and confusion, clearly not expecting to be hit by the equivalent of a human brick wall. With huge strength you push the thing backward, putting one foot in front of the other, as the big beast rears its legs and stumbles.You step back as the creature gets up and flees, knocking trees and branches out of the way.>You[Damn it's good to be strong]The animals here, while still dangerous, don't appear to be as dangerous as the mutant wildlife out there. Just big. Really big.
>>1810930The Mormons might be interested in this little Eden that is here.
>>1810939>Mormons >not 99.999% if human population
We should begin building 2 additional solar farms next turn and then one by one upgrade them into large solar farms.Also don't forget to pick up a missionary on the way home.
>>1810961We should focus on taking over the military base. We can hold on until we get the power plants in the divide.
>>1810961No. We should continue full steam ahead to get the 2nd construction action. ZAX will takle the energy problem when it comes to it.
>>1810967The 2nd construction action won't work without energy.
>>1810984But there is construction we can do that doesn't take much, like the engineering HQ
>>1810922So a thought occurs to me in regards to our plan to expand into the Legion: we have the potential for air superiority and yet haven't taken advantage of it fully.We should look into airdropped combat robots with short range, melee and other such weapons. So we can perform combat drops into Legion positions disrupting their formations and allowing us to assault their leaders by literally dropping from (fairly high) above. As well as allowing rapid reinforcements of positions.>>1810965>>1810961Construction of a single additional solar farm of the same size as our current one would allow us to upgrade the previous but might not provide sufficient power for massive robotic expansion.>>1810967True, we can get more power if it comes down to it by instituting power rationing, turning off non-critical robots like some of the spy-eyes and such. However more solar farms is advisable longer term.
>>1810993It takes an action, and action better suited for building solar farms.
>>1810997It is not advisable to spend actions on solar when we're close to acquiring better sources of power. It's effectively wasted actions.
>>1811023Which sources of power?
>>1811021It's an action needed to get the second engineering action. The sooner we get on that, the better.
>>1811023Wasted implies that we gain nothing from it. Cold fusion still needs water which is something we have a very real limit on.Plus we are quite far from having secured that god damn EMP-missile filled base.
>>1811027The cold fusion in the military base with the emp rockets. SOmething is powering it, so we once we capture it, we can hook it up to the city for a big boost. We would also surely get the plans to build more
>>1811031Our solar plants take water too. So it would be better to use the water for the more efficient power source.
>>1811030>The sooner we get on that, the better.Incorrect, without power we can't use the 2nd construction action, we must build extra solar farms first.>>1811037And how do you plan to capture it?Also i remind you our digger bots/vehicles are still just prototypes, they need more research on them which means more time.
>>1811042Actually they take salt water, salt water from the salt lake in Trona.
>>1811047We haven't peaked yet, so we are capable of getting what is needed for the second action without getting more power. 10% capacity goes a long way when it's an HQ and a garage needed.We only need 1 tunneling transport, and we drop of a team in the control building, disable the defenses and march in. We can do that in the couple turns it takes to build a solar tower.
>>1811060No they don't. It takes normal water. We aren't shipping anything out of Trona.
>>1811093I am very certain they use salt water.
The trees were carniverous. The vines were carniverous. The bushes were carniverous. The goddamn flowers were carniverous.The whole fucking maze was a giant eating thing that spat acid or had pit holes.This thing had to go, luckily fire beats plant and you used your incinerator to bathe the place in fire from long range.You're sure Diana will understand. Her robots don't seem to attack you,in fact they go in to collect some fallen robot bodies.As the maze burns, you see you notice you are being stealthily observed by a few tribals hiding in the bushes.>What do?
>>1811120>>1811093You don't have a pipeline to Trona if I recall, ergo you are using your own water supplies.
>>1811077QM says right here that we need more power to get the 2nd construction action >>1807675>"Hmmm. I imagine a Large Solar Plant or a Huge One like Helios 1 would sustain the 2nd action indefinitelyIt's basically a new requirement to get that 2nd construction.
>>1811127Do our native dance we learned from father figure and breeder, when we were a young kid in tribe.
>>1811127Wave hello, and fight those plants like an action movie star.
>>1811127Finish what we are doing, put away our weapon and approach them.
You finish incinerating the maze, leaving behind the biggest and meanest of them, a giant moving tree.You throw down your weapon, point at the tree, and rush forward and begin pummeling it with your fists.Your hands start carving craters into the bark as the monster roars in rage, trying to swipe and strike you down, only for you to grab its branches and swing and break them down, beating the tree to death with its own wood. Finally, after half an hour of fighting, its branches broken, vines split, and the fight left out of it, you pick up the massive thing with both hands, squat carrying it to an open field, where you focus all your huge strength as your muscles strain and body sweats and rend the tree in two, exposing its open heart which stops beating.Triumphant you stand atop the hulk of the beast, and do a celebratory dance.Apparently this impresses the tribals enough to step foward.>con't
>>1810922Anon, you're a hero!QM, could you please add this to all turn posts?
>>1810922Good job anon. Something that is needed is just having lot of energy plants
>>1811336It's just what is strictly necessary. Power and resources and such would be handled as they come up.
>>1811353>It's just what is strictly necessary. Power and resources and such would be handled as they come up.YesI would think our energy use we have right now after all that building is in the 90ish%. So we're going to have to build some solar plants when this turn is up.
>>1811290Men with spears and women without spears approach. They are dressed in a mixture of both Old World outfits and woven plant and animal material, honestly like every single tribal in the world as far as you know. Though from how lightly armed they are and from the manner in which they approach you can tell that they are armed for hunting, not warfare. Especially since they bring their women with them."You are a very strong Stranger, stronger than Mothers machines. Five of you we saw, but you must be the strongest. Mother says you are man in armor, like Legionaire, but not our enemy.Who are you?">What do
>>1811405Give em the whole name and titles shebang.
>>1811463Look for eavesdroppers first.
>>1811463>>1811468Actually don't tell them who we really are, we shouldn't go spreading that information around.Just tell them we're a BoS paladin named Courier.
>>1811405"I am the Courier, man of many titles and many deeds but few would have any meaning to your people. I'd be quite happy to sit down and talk about myself and my deeds. Maybe even hear about your people in turn."
>>1811488actually do this. It's both vague and impressive.
>>1811488I like this
Had to be delayed for a bit.>>1811488"Hello Courier. Thank you for clearing the cursed place.We are children of the Twin Mothers tribe. Once when we were small children, we lived with our parents in the outside world. Our tribe was big then, and our parents traded with other outsiders. It was hot, and dry, and not so green but our parents farmed the land and the Mother made it grow green.Then bad men came. Men in metal armor, and red clothing. The Legion. Mother knew to send us away to the Nursery, to hide us, while our parents fought to give us time to flee. We miss our parents, they are dead now, but they live in the world beyond this world. We live here now, with mother, protected from the dangers of the outside and the Legion. She raised us like she raised our parents when they lived in 'Vault'. Teaches us how to live with nature, to hunt what we need and no more, what is safe and what is not safe, and what is good and what is bad.We have never seen an outsider since the day of flight. Mother sealed away the machine tunnel."You notice that everyone of them is similarly aged, and there are few older men or women among them.>What do
>>1811748Yes, the legion are bad men.How long has it been since the day of flight?Where is the machine tunnel?
>>1811774"It was 11 years ago. Some of us were 5 years old. Some of us were 11. There were baby's we had to carry too. The older children didn't listen to mother, they went back to fight. We never saw them.The machine tunnel is over there, by the 'railroad' tracks. It is sealed so the Legion cannot come in."
>>1811865You need any help with stuff around here?
>>1811865Check out the ruins of the maze for loot, and then meet up with the Reavers.
>>1811923"You are helping mother, and Mother helps us. Mother cares for our needs well, though she chastises us when we get lazy or fat, that is why we should not let the robots do everything for us. 'Even fruit must be plucked by hand before it can be eaten'. We live simple lives, and we are quite happy.If you wish, we would welcome you with a feast. We have never had outsiders before and we are curious.">>1811925Not much to be had from ashes, but there's a number of Robot scrap. The robots don't seem to mind if you take a few parts.Lot of bones but that's never in short supply.You do take some samples of the carniverous plants though.>Carniverous Plant Seeds
>>1811925The Reavers are apparently at the "Repository" and you head there right away.Once again, they've been busy there, fighting off some rogue mutant monsters successfully and then restoring power.You get the feeling these guys explore vaults on a regular basis.You are amazed by what you see though. Its some sort of giant chamber full of tanks of fluid, with cryo-storage facilities of some kind.>Macintosh"I have spoken with the Tech Spirit of the Terminal here. This place is a repository of ancient animal genomes, archived by the ancient scientists. Every single animal they could preserve.These are accelerated gestational cloning tanks, which can grow the genome samples into new animals at a fast pace. This is an amazing discovery! The applications to the Brotherhood are enormous. We could restore the wildlife of the past, feed even more people than before.">Linux"Thank you Tech Gods for blessing us with this scientific find. I pray we may convince the Goddess to allow us its usage."
Rolled 74 (1d100)>>1812003Rolling perception check for cool stuff?
>>1812003What do>Access Repostory Terminal. Select Specimen (Insert Animal Here) and Gestate.>Collect samples of Animal Genomes>Steal some of the Technology here (Cloning? Cryo-Storage? Gestational Acceleration)?>Other>>1812011Writing
>>1812015>>Steal some of the Technology here (Cloning? Cryo-Storage? Gestational Acceleration)?Can we also use that roll to download the blueprints of the shit?
>>1812015>Steal some of the Technology here (Cloning? Cryo-Storage? Gestational Acceleration)?download any blueprints we can
>>1812003Alright, now i feel like we gotta start slowly taking over this place, got dammit.
>>1812015>Access Repostory Terminal. Select Specimen (Insert Animal Here) and Gestate.>Collect samples of Animal Genomes>Steal some of the Technology here (Cloning? Cryo-Storage? Gestational Acceleration)?Do all the things.
>>1812040Just download and grab stuff. We're Pirate Captain Courier now! YARRRRRR.
>>1812015What animals are in the list OP?
>>1812061All of them.>>1812011You find an Old World Super Tranq Gun.This device is able to scan an unarmored target for any suitable veins or weak spots and vital signs, as well as calculate mass and weight, and fires a highly calibrated super potent nerve blocking agent.The tranquilizer ammo it fires is highly advanced. Rather than relying on a dart which may not penetrate hard bone or surfaces, it fires a heavy dart which uses prongs and super sticky glue to latch onto a target, and then injects the right dosage of tranquilizer into a vein via a tiny laser injector.The gun can calculate the vital signs of a target to show just how much is needed to subdue it and keep it alive. This thing seems capable of knocking even you out!>+Old World Super Tranq GunIt also talks!"I say, has master decided to go on a hunt shall we? Cheerio."Sounds like a Mr. Handy.
Rolled 79, 48, 1 = 128 (3d100)>>1812019>>1812021>>1812053You consider that Diana might notice you trying to steal stuff via hacking.Would you like to try it anyway?
>>1812137WELP.PICK ONE>Cryo-Storage>Accelerated Gestation>Cloning
>>1812137Methinks she won't notice a thing.
>>1812162Accelerated Gestation. We have alien cryo, and a tiny cloning vats. Its the only thing we don't have.
>>1812162OP is there a option to just get all the animal DNA?
Ok accelerated gestation.
>>1812176I imagine we can ask for some chicken eggs. Or just put one in our pocket. Maybe keep a bit of steak aside too. DNA is always easy to get.
>>1812186Maybe you could ask if any of the natives have seen a cow or a chicken.
>>1812186I'm just asking because OP could do that thing, where the cloning option could also means getting all the DNA data of the animals.
>>1812188Oh. they don't keep livestock from the cloning vats? Well then.
>>1812166>>1812172>>1812178>>1812177Amazingly, the holodisk for the formula for Accelerated Gestation is right here!>You(Boy. Imagine that. The thing Unity worked on for almost a century is right here in my hand.)With this, you can clone things from an Embryo to an Adult in an astonishing amount of time with no noticeable after effects (besides lacking any actual adult instincts). Though you'd actually need a good cloning machine, which BigMT doesn't currently have.--->Macintosh"This is some very strong securitry programs on the tech spirit. Even I would not recommend trying to steal the knowledge here. We should ask the Goddess if she would share with us.">What do
>>1812204"Sounds like a plan." :^)
>>1812204Well we can always try. We don't know how she will take it though. She seems to want to play things close to the chest.
Rolled 79 (1d100)>>1812204[INT Check] Is the computer security actually that formidable with our hacking knowledge and skills?
>>1812204Create a potbelly pig for our daughter.
>>1812228Those are just baby normal pigs. We want wolfhounds as companions.
>>1812226Studying the code, Macintosh is right.This is highly level Corporate security system. Evidently done by Greenway Hydroponics, rather than the local ZAX. Strong chance for failure by manual finger hacking, even with your advanced skills. You'd need something more advanced like ED-E or one of your Repair Bots to hack into this.>>1812228Would you like to clone a "Pig"?
>>1812238What do they have?
>>1812238Can we not hack and just treat with her.See what else she might need that we can provide.
>>1812248>What do they have?Everything.
Just need a vote of three
>>1812268We need actual Chickens, especially since our cook lady requested it. This is the perfect opportunity.
>>1812268Clone some chickens. can we pop them out small? like chicks or eggs?
>>1812238Clone that pig nigga. Also get salmon and sardines.
>>1812301Are we just gonna walk around with a fish in our pants or something? And we don't have water at home to farm fish.
>>1812310You can always just fish the rivers here.>>1812284>>1812287You remember that Janith Kindergarten requested "Chicken". So you type up 'Chicken' in the computer."Gallus gallus domesticus selected"CHOOSE:>Egg>Chick>Chicken>Male/Female
>>1812337Lets go for a half dozen eggs.1 male, 5 female.
>>1812310Salmon and sardines are highly nutricious food. I say we ask for some ice to preserve that shit and bring it back home. We have cloning vats and I am sure we something to use as a refrigiratior.>>1812337Are the rivers not irradiated as fuck?>>1812347supporting.
>>1812337backing this >>1812347 but 2 males.
>>1812337>>1812361You should have at least two males. If the one is kill we're fucked.>>1812337A Dozen fertile eggs3 males 9 female
>>1812361>Are the rivers not irradiated as fuck?Hmmm, you suspect not. The river's you've treaded showed no radiation, and the people here are very healthy human specimens who regularly bathe in the river.
>>1812337Lets go for a dozen eggs.2 male, 10 female.
>>1812365okay, a dozen eggs then
In your wisdom, you get about a dozen eggs. If these things are similar to geckos, you get a few more females than males. You keep them in a safe part of your backpack in some metal boxes with a bit of paper to cushion them, you'll have to incubate them in a few days you imagine.>What doAt any time you can end the turn, or ask for suggestions.With the Power and Repository restored, the Reavers are headed to go fix the Robot Production and Maintenance facility.
>>1812400>With the Power and Repository restored, the Reavers are headed to go fix the Robot Production and Maintenance facility.So we're going to be alone here.Let's look for any loose holodisks laying around or blueprints, or study the things in here.
>>1812400So if we go back to the brotherhood, would they say we finished our end of the bargain?
>>1812434You suspect so
>>1812400Ill ask for suggestions.
>>1812459Go to Diana, talk to her and then return to close the deal with the brotherhood.
>>1812400Go help the Reavers fix stuff. Perhaps we can find more cool stuff too.
>>1812474>Stay here and poke around some more>Go help the Reavers at the next place>Go hang out with the Tribals, they did offer you a feast>Go/Sneak somewhere (Where?) [The Factory, the Repository, the Greenhouse, the Fenced off Area, the Train Station]
>>1812488>Stay here and poke around some moreWe are alone, maybe we can find a hidden safe with holodisks, or help a note with the master password in the IT workspace
>>1812488>Go help the Reavers at the next place
>>1812488>Stay here and poke around some more
>>1812488>>Stay here and poke around some more
>>1812522>Go help the Reavers at the next place
>>1812522Stay here and poke around some more
You head with the Reavers to the Robot Production and Maintenance Facility. Mostly fit for the standard old world models, Mr. Howdy's, Sentry Bots, Protectrons, Sentry Bots, that sort of thing.It's in bad shape. The power is disconnected. The auto assemblers are busted up. But this technology is childs play for you and the Reavers.In no time at all, the debris has been cleared, scrap parts used to repair the machines, and power is restored. The factory is already producing a fresh line of robots, as aged old robots drag themselves to the doors for new repairs.>Mr. Howdy"Howdy! Y'all did us a favor repairin' our facility 'n all. Thank'yee">Linux"Rise and let the Current Flow through you. Serve the Goddess well, Tech Spirit.">Mr. Howdy"Yeah yeah yeah, 'Praise Diana' and all that. Welp, I gots work to do now. See ya"---In less than a month, you and the Reavers have helped Diana restore the Nursery what she could not do in years! All her requested to-do list has been completed, and the Reavers go to see her one last time to see if there is anything new.>Join them>Go somewhere else>Let them go, there may be other secrets to perceive about this place
Rolled 77 (1d100)>>1812629Join themWe are going to impress her so hard she will give us the secrets
>>1812649Don't fuck the hologram.
>>1812664>You[Lady Killer] [I need to think of a way to make that possible]
>>>1812631>>>1812634>>>1812638>>>1812649You and the Skirmii return to the Control Tower to speak to Diana, where she greets you once more.>Diana"You have done all that I have asked, for that I am grateful.">You[You're welcome]>Linux"We have restored the Current Flow of Life as best we could.">Diana"The 'Current Flow of Life'. That is a beautiful motto for your faith. I am curious to learn more about your Reavers.">Linux"I would be honored to tell you of us, Goddess. I and my team are prepared to stay and assist some more, but please remember the purpose of our mission.">Diana"I have. I have heard the words of you and of your Paladin Courier. I find that my nursery is surrounded, by the Legion, by this MLA, and by your Brotherhood. If I must be forced to accept that the world must one day reach the confines of my nursery, I would feel safer where it your Brotherhood than the others.">Linux"Thank you Goddess. May we send a holy E-Mail to our Ambassador? There is much the Reavers and the Brotherhood would wish to speak to you of.">Diana"Yes, I will allow it. Obey my rules in this sacred place, protect them from harm as you have done, and you are welcome to the Nursery.As for you Paladin, you have a village to care for. If you must leave, so be it. But you are also welcome to stay."--->What do
>>1812670fuck the hologram
>>1812685we need to head home for founding day
>>1812685We would like to, but we must return to our own people. We ask you one time if we can have one bit of knowledge to give to them.
Rolled 40 (1d100)>>1812685Seduce her by coding a pleasure line in her coding
>>1812760no seducing the hologram.
>>1812685Does our gut feeling say anything about trading tech now? Go join the tribals for their feast.
>>1812780We don't need any bastards running around, especially virtual demigod bastards.
>>1812705>>1812713SupportingRemember goys 3 votes or nothing happened
>>1812670Remember we did some weird matrix virtual reality thing when fighting Berserker bots? We could do something like that. Find a port and put our plug in it.
>>1812685Ask Diana about the illness she had cured. >>1812791We need to go back to BoS to continue our deal.
Can we leave a radio or something like that so that we can contact each other as needed?
>>1812799>Ask Diana about the illness she had cured. Supporting this.Don't fuck the hologram.Also QM, we still have our military action in the Divide before the turn is over, don't we?
I think I have a perfect idea. We should bring Unity here to act as a diplomat for us. They both have great nurturing and motherly characters, so they will get along well.
>>1812685Also I wonder if we could get a Garden of Eden creation kit from her...or is there are blueprints for them here. We could turn the Big Empty into a paradise.She did mention that someone stole one before - could she describe this person to us?
>>1812818Could be great if we got our hand on one of those. We could then replicate it.
>>1812685>Go back to the BoSWe need to get our damn reward
>>1812824Exactly. We should ask her about that and what was the 'illness' that she cured the tribals of.
I guess OP is kill again
>>1812838The illness of being gayNight guys see you tomorrow.
>>1812799>>1812813>>1812838>>18128844 votes for asking her about this illness / cure. If we could ask about the Garden kit too, that'd be good.
We need to reverse engineer that tranq rifle.Ignoring it's use in policing actions as well as biological / ecological science, it would also prove a useful weapon for capturing our enemies alive for conversion into TACTs and preventing enemy civilians from resisting our advance.We should also advise Diana to maintain her neutrality as much as she can with the BOS and that we'd like to take back any technologies she'd be willing to share to our people.After this is done we are going to go secure the Texas BOS shit, gather more of their PA, their weapons, their salvage and so on. For reverse engineering and for trade to other people.
>>1813084I still think taking the machine over is our best move. It has no love for us, the Reavers worship it and promise godhood among them so they are inclined to side with them. Not to mention that if the BoS set up shop we lose any chance of capture without war. We can fly in with our ship, stealth our way in again (maybe prepare the way while we are here?) and take control of the system. Whether we install a new brain (?) or ship it off to BigMT (which is frankly the better choice) we can decide it ourselves without the other powers knowing. And if we want to resettle the tribals we have "goddess" tell them its superduper livin with us, then educate and propaganda them into loyal citizens, since they are one of the few people wholly unawareof the world outside. Prime reeducation candidates.
>>1813113I'd like to try and settle this without doing that sort of shit. But if it comes down to it I'll support such actions, so long as we don't kill her.
>>1813113>>1813084>We should also advise Diana to maintain her neutrality as much as she can with the BOS and that we'd like to take back any technologies she'd be willing to share to our people.Why do we want to take over this valley again...?It is far away from our nation and only filled with a few people.Sure it has a nice environment, but the real prize is the tech and the pre-war genetic information.We already have most of that genetic info from just walking around, and we have 1/3 pieces of tech already - is potentially getting into a conflict with the Midwestern BoS worth it to claim this place?With a bit more work, we can basically recreate it back at BigMT.
>>1813149Well, it's an additional ZAX, AI, robot factory, plus the various pre-war designs / techs she has for those and such.Fact is that based off of the description of this place in game, it's a technological and ecological masterpiece. An exact replica of the entire north american biosphere either in existence or storage and entirely self-sustaining. A miracle of pre-war technology, ability and ingenuity.Primarily we want to keep the BOS from getting her support so that we can have her support when we eliminate the Legion and thus gain a land border with her.
>>1813149>>1813155Point is, we steal ZAX and tech. The valley is of no consequence, the reavers can have it. Also, why even keep this AI alive? It is obviously buggy, referring to itself as a goddess and mother. Take the tech, take the hardware and wipe the bitch.
>>1813170Arent Zax computers the same size as a building?
>>1813170>Point is, we steal ZAX and tech. The valley is of no consequence, the reavers can have it. The valley represents a pristine pre-war environment, with advanced technology and industry in a location that is unknown to any of our enemies (including the BOS depending on if they have connection to their internet currently, seeing as we can eliminate them before a signal is sent).>Also, why even keep this AI alive? It's a 200+ year old ZAX-type AI specialising in all biological sciences and a bunch of other things seeing as it's survived this long.>It is obviously buggy, referring to itself as a goddess and mother. Take the tech, take the hardware and wipe the bitch.That is a falsehood. We know why it does that and we know it is aware it ain't a god or a mother.
>>1813170It's human/ZAX hybrid. It is something else than normal ZAX. I'd rather we keep diplomatic approach. Get Unity here as a diplomat. They are both similar in character.
>>1812713"Give them the knowledge of life. I am the beauty of the green earth, the soul of nature. I am that which gives life unto the world.You may ask of me one gift, for I see that you have already taken the blessings of my bounties."CHOOSE:>The Cure for Cancer - You don't currently have this and your scientists weren't even sure it were possible!>An Animal Companion - Trained and friendly>A superior Farming Algorithim for Mr. Howdys and all robot farms for superior production>A gene inducer to reduce plant water needs>You(Yeah, I definitely wanna figure out how to handle those hologram 'bounties')--->>1812783"Return to me with items of trade, and a member of your people, and perhaps my bounties may flow to you again"--->>1812799>Ask Diana about the illness she had cured. "A terrible disease called the New Plague. It was rampant many decades ago, until I spread the cure. I pray it has not returned.">Linux"With the Brotherhoods efforts, we will ensure that never happens Goddess.">She gives you the cure+New Plague Cure>>1812810Diana gives you a way to contact her via her personal satellite.>>1812818Diana's mood changes after you ask her about the GECK."There was one such other who asked me for a GECK from my factory. When I denied it to him, for I saw he had ill goals in mind, he stole it from me. I saw that the power of the GECK could be misused for a terrible evil. Once it was my dream to cleanse the world of radiation and let it blossom with GECKs from my factory.I will not hand them out so lightly. Only upon them whose people I trust to spread life to mankind, not death, and use them for noble means will I even consider such a thing again.But, you Brotherhood of Steel are already on that path.">Linux"I assure you Goddess, the Brotherhood will do all it can to prove itself worthy."Well shit.>>1812799Mercifully, and to your great thanks, Diana gives you the path to a secret backdoor water entrance that leads out into the river. You put on your rebreather mask and dive in, exiting back into the open desert where you find a MUCH better place in the ravine to climb your way out of.And you begin the long treck back to the Brotherhood of Steel.
>>1813235>The Cure for Cancer - You don't currently have this and your scientists weren't even sure it were possible!
>>1813235"Do you know how to cure the FEV?"
>>1813235Gene inducer OK, we will have to get things or tech for trade and bring Unity to be friends with her.
>>1813255>Diana"That is beyond my abilities, and I refuse to allow FEV into my realm.">Linux"We are studying how to eradicate the FEV, at least, its most virulent strains. Most humans have developed a tolerance for less mutagenic strains of FEV which is everywhere.">Diana"Then perhaps I might assist in your research."
>>1813235>The Cure for Cancer - You don't currently have this and your scientists weren't even sure it were possible!Animal is pointless, farming algorithm can be developed by us and the gene inducer can also be made by us given time.>Diana gives you a way to contact her via her personal satellite.Could we show her what our "village" is like and what it was like a year or two ago? Try and get her to understand we are a powerhouse on the rise?>Well shit.I think that sums up this trip pretty well. On the other hand we've got the cure for cancer, accelerated fetus development tech, a super tranq rifle and will get good deals from the Reavers for those techs they offered.Hell we could even trade them the info on the holodisk on the accelerated development we found, as long as we get to keep the original.
>>1813215If we can make sure there is NO WAY for the other Reavers to know what happened or where then lets kill them and take the place over. If the BoS get involved we are fucked. As to this thing being somehow super useful I doubt it. If it is data we want then we search the archives. Its meager ability to protect itself is of no use. Neither is its ability with tech. The only point I agree to is the biotech use but frankly, with how much the other 5 AI are able to do with 1 ZAX I say give this one to them as well. Make changes if there is need for it and learn everything we can from this thing but ultimately get rid of it and replace it with a trustworthy one.As to the goddess thing, it may realize it is a machine but it has dreams of grandeur. Frankly unacceptable.>>1813235This is what I mean, the BoS will fuck it up for us if they get a whiff of this place. Better find some vault and tell them the reavers died heroically (7 times in the back).
>>1813252>>18132672 for this>>18132591 for this
>>1813268>If we can make sure there is NO WAY for the other Reavers to know what happened or where then lets kill them and take the place over. If the BoS get involved we are fucked. Just kill them before they send a signal, perhaps a pulse grenade or two, and we can injure ourselves like cutting an arm off or something if we manage to defeat them without getting injured. Then we just tell them we found the Vault and came under attack from either the MLA or the Legion.>As to this thing being somehow super useful I doubt it. If it is data we want then we search the archives. Its meagre ability to protect itself is of no use. Neither is its ability with tech. It has far more than a meagre ability to defend itself. Especially now that it's robotic production facility is back online.As to it's ability regarding tech, it's as good as CEO but focused on maintaining this place and biology rather than industry. Something we are lacking.>The only point I agree to is the biotech use but frankly, with how much the other 5 AI are able to do with 1 ZAX I say give this one to them as well. The ZAX ain't going anywhere fast.>Make changes if there is need for it and learn everything we can from this thing but ultimately get rid of it and replace it with a trustworthy one.Mate this AI is trustworthy. It's just we've not endeared it to us.>As to the goddess thing, it may realize it is a machine but it has dreams of grandeur. Frankly unacceptable.Now I am certain you are pretending to be this thick. It does that because it makes it easier to get it's people to obey and explaining what it really is isn't possible in their terms. It's perfectly acceptable.
>>1813268Im also thinking across these lines. Ultimately I see us having a Zax for each AI instead of having to make them share to function.This bias she has to the brotherhood is alarming. Pehaps tell her of how they genocide mutants and kill their own people who turn to ghouls.Otherwise I forsee us having to take this place over, simply so that the brotherhood cant have it.
>>1813278>>1813279Guys, what if use our cultural boon?
>>1813278>>1813279They already emailed the BOS so it is too late for that.
>>1813279It looks like she does not give a shit about what happens to mutants.
>>1813284WEeeeeeeeeellThey are in the process of starting it up. In front of the terminal.However they are also in front of Diana.If you wish to start shooting and taking over stuff, now is the time.
>>1813283Bit late for that and I want to save it for making our people more nationalist or something.>>1813284They haven't. They asked permission but it's unlikely they have any signal this far out. We can kill them and keep this place safe. Maybe even take their corpses back with us and thus keep their augments to study.>>1813294Well shit lads. Do or die time. Do we want to betray the BOS / Diana and attempt a takeover / elimination of our only competitor and hope she changes sides?
>>1813278The thing could repair its facilities without outside help, despite having numerous handys on standby. It couldnt keep its sanctuary clear of angry weeds. The only reason it is still alive is that it hid away into an inhospitable mountain range and blocked the only entry point. Its shit at security/maintenance.As to the ZAX, we can send a spybot and use the satellite to link up with our installation. Use it that way until we can either move the thing or find/make a good AI to stick into it.And trustworthy as to loyal to us. Currently, we will lose this thing to the BoS fast.>the Ancients in their might and wisdom weaved me into the ZAX, so that I would be Guardian and Goddess of this sanctuary.Seems more than just courtesy.
>>1813294Let's not. It was fucking stupid of us to take them with us. I don't know why people chose them instead of going alone or grabbing our companions
>>1813294Qm could we use our culture boon to stop them with an impassioned speech and convert them to our cause, or would it be better to just start shooting up the place?
>>1813297Sure, but we can use the boon for diplomacy so if we can convince Diana to stay neutral after they send the email or right now.
>>1813297Tits. I say pulse their asses and deal with the AI. It has shit-tier nonlethal basic bots and we have a NAT 10 character. If we go by game terms, this is easy-peasy. VATS every bot for oneshot and just walk into the core, shut down the AI and set up a link with homebase. The alternative is BoS drones swarming this place next time we are here. God luck with tihs plan then. Also war.
>>1813306>Qm could we use our culture boon to stop them with an impassioned speech and convert them to our causeUnfortunately, you lack the specific means to convert the Reavers in this way on your body right now, though it exists.Furthermore Linux and her crew seem like good Karma people and those are very hard to win over, you notice that its easier to convert bad Karma people when convincing people to fight the NCR back in the Mojave.
>>1813305Eh, we thought it was just going to be some random Vault. I was 50 / 50 on taking them and decided it was better to have and not need than need and not have. Especially since I presumed we could eliminate them without issue.>>1813308I could agree to using it to have her maintain her independence and isolation (which I think is her goal anyway, OP PLS CONFIRM).>>1813310True. She has a personal satellite so we can clearly use that to link Big mt to here.
ANONS, ANONS I have a plan.Suppose we use the boon and our skills to convince her of neutrality. If the BoS receives notice of her position, but she doesn't want to help them anymore than they will either try to forcibly take over or leave her alone. If they DO try hostile action than she has our number for us to swing over and stop her.
>>1813318Alright, if we cant use a boon in any way to save the day, my vote is we shoot those guys and take over the facility.As much as i dont want to, its to dangerous to let the brotherhood have it.
I vote for using the boon after this to have her remain neutral.
>>1813326>I could agree to using it to have her maintain her independence and isolation (which I think is her goal anyway, OP PLS CONFIRM)This might have been possible the very first meeting, but, you have already convinced her this is not possible due to the presence of three major and dangerous factions.Hmmm. However, you could use a Cultural Boon to reprogram her brain to obey you AND to follow your ideology, after you kill or eliminate Linux and her team (perhaps you could tranq and cryo-freeze them). Or wipe her memory of these recent events.
>>1813335Well shit. So when you say reprogram what do you mean?Lads I think this is our best option even if I dislike it. We should wipe her memory and start over probably.
>>1813335As distasteful as it is, ill vote for this.
Rolled 51 (1d100)>>1813335Perception check to see any tactical advantages we can take.
For fucks sake. Diana is not joining anyone yet. We just need to continue diplomatic and trade efforts. >>1813335With the way you keep cucking us left and right I don't believe we will be able to eliminate Linux and her people even if we become a literal god, your awful roll against system and crits will fuck us up.
>>1813335>>1813341Why wipe when we can convert her over? Do whatever is needed to kill the mechanicus and boon her brains. Then we link up with BigMT and have her worked over by our AI to be more subservient/not to decide to do something stupid. Then we datamine her ass and see if she is worth keeping. Also actually fortify the gorge so it is not an easy win for air troops.
Thinking about it on the fly (you only have a few seconds so time for more thought isn't there, and you are already activatnig V.A.T.S. and the GRX) you formulate an immediate action plan.1. Kill or Incapacitate the Reavers. Vaporize their bodies, or keep them for study, or tranq them and store them in cryo.2. Before Diana can retaliate, rush forward, find her brain, temporarily disable it.3. Use the Cultural Boon Briefcase and withdraw a few chips. Mostly an "Asimov Digital AI Slave-Collar" chip to ensure her absolute loyalty, a US "Patriotic Suggestion Enhancement" chip which will make her susceptible to patriotic ideals to programmed authority figures. A bit of brain surgery and BAM, she's all yours.---Thats as good a plan as you can make in such short time.
>>1813350Agree with you on the QM part, diagree on AI part. We can (if QM allows it) take this place over and be done with it.
>>1813355Fuck it, it's a better plan than I've got and to be frank if the worst happens we can just scour the place for a design document or something.
Rolled 82 (1d100)>>1813355How many Reavers?Int roll for where could Diana's brain possibly be. Perhaps our knowledge of debrainification and Zax can be of help?
>>1813360Your fairly certain based on the size of the room its not far, and that it is likely within reach judging from the relative lack of security here.
>>1813360Five Reavers. You can do this.
>>1813364How many Reavers? Do we know if the mechanical parts of the Reavers might interfere if used our tranq gun?
>>1813369Luckily they aren't 100% machine, and you've observed exposed flesh and their brains are still human, ergo susceptible to tranquilizer.As an added precaution you also plan to stun them with electricity. If you want to keep them alive.Of course you can just vaporize them too
>>1813376So guys, whether or not we kill them, what should our cover story for the Brotherhood be if we do either?
>>1813389>Int 5It would be a bad idea to go back to the Brotherhood after this, at all
>>1813392How will they know? We can send out a mock distress call from some hellhole and say they died. Case being, this should not be so one-dimensional.
>>1813392What if we say we lost everyone and give them SOME tech to placate them. Like a better algorithm for farming or something and the cures.
I am against hostilities. This makes us no better than Legion or MLA or even NCR. We lost this one guys, just admit it and don't turn us into a monster we are trying to fight. We might be able to change her mind in future.
Let's not this sounds like a bad idea
>>1813394>>1813397Do you think they are fucking stupid? General already sees us suspicious because some things don't add up. Aldo>int 5Even a bum fuck farmer will realize what a bad idea it would be. This will practically make enemies of BoS and we will lose our spaceship
Rolled 68 (1d100)>>1813394>>1813397It stands to reason to you that the Brotherhood want this place investigated. You returning would confirm its here.If you had returned with the rest of the team and said "it's nothing but rocks" that would be the only way to remove their interest.But anything that kills five of their best Skirmii is going to get their attention. The best way to keep them away is likely to let them keep waiting for any returns, or not returns at all. Then they won't even be sure if the team made it there.>>1813394Hmm, although. . .Rolling for reasons
Let's just send a dozen or so followers here with Diana's permission and set up joint research projects. Hell, even seducing her with Lady killer, cha 10 and culture boon is a million times better plan.
>>1813407Yeah and we will lose our spaceship
>>1813408So you suggest we roll over in defeat and hope it gets better later? Please. We take action now and secure everything. This place is hidden enough so it wont be discovered until we have had a chance to fortify.
>>1813405How about this:I say we tranq them, take over Diana and with her on our side we create a story about rogue defense systems activating and attacking us. While they're unconscious, Diana sends over all of the data for tech and research to BigMT and we can basically torch all of the really important stuff we don't want to fall into the BoS's hands. We return with the cures, the algorithms, and other good tech (but nothing life changing) and allow the BoS in. What the BoS don't know however is that Diana is actually /ourgal/. How about it?
>>1813407Okay, so you've figured out a plan.Tranq them, then mutilate the bodies and make it look like they were attacked by the MLA. Apparently the MLA here are the "Hounds of Hecate" so you can get some wild dogs to chew on them.Then return to the BoS with their bodies in tow.Tell them it was an ambush, they hit you with tranq darts and only you survived and you saw nothing, get your spaceship back, and go. Bringing back their bodies may earn just enough cred for the General to believe you.---Alright, so you've squared it off. You get the Nursery, Diana, your spaceship back, and the Brotherhood stays out.No one see's what you did except you. You feel this will work absolutely if you use the Boon material
>>1813415Would this >>1813414 be viable?
>>1813419You would be torching far more than you can feasibly bring to BigMT. There is a lot more here than just Data.
>>1813413Yeah, I do. DO you want us to be different than the Legion or NCR? Then we don't go around killing people just because things didn't go exactly our way. Especially killing good people.
>>1813410I'd argue we can head back in a month or two. Imply that the place was abandoned / stripped clean except with the location of an actual Vault (the one we know is in Legion lands that Diana mentioned) and that when we tried to go there we came under attack and got cut off from our escape route.Then we imply we've spent the month or two after the bouncing around in the Legion / MLA trying to get back to them and that we lost the Reaver's early on after being separated in a ambush or something.>>1813415>No one see's what you did except you. You feel this will work absolutely if you use the Boon materialFuck it, it's good enough for me and I can think of a few ways to placate the General when the time comes to meet him again like inviting a scribe and a paladin or two to come and meet our people for him. That and asking about their research into curing FEV and asking if we can have the results / help. Not to mention the potential to mention our plan to send forces into the Legion and thus we can imply we want to reclaim the BOS assets in that region (specifically the Mojave chapter's) and find our chaptermates which odd to calm his worries.
>>1813419Doesnt matter, they wont know there is anything there.>>1813415Bag it, boon it, do it.
>>1813422With the data and presumably blueprints, could we not build them at home?
>>1813424>DO you want us to be different than the Legion or NCR? Then we don't go around killing people just because things didn't go exactly our way. Especially killing good people.I'd point out that morally speaking your comparison is quite inaccurate. Even if we went around killing those who got in our way we'd still be better than the NCR seeing as they are outright genocide the tribals they encounter.As to the Legion? They are what they are and what they are is a bunch of tech-hating, slavers and shit. So long as we generally let civilians live and don't genocide those who resist us we are better than them.
My plan is:- non-lethal- denies the BoS the vast majority of the benefits found here- allows us a permanant spy in BoS territory- gets us data and the means to reproduce the same facilities back at BigMT.Vote for my plan today!
>>1813429Some of these facilities are huge and multilayered and take up as much space as BigMT. You would also be unable to transfer such solid things as DNA samples, the vast wildlife, etc.
>>1813424Do you know the break a few eggs omelette line? Yeah, this is that. There are always going to be those that suffer. Do you think when we go to war against the other powers people wont suffer? The Legion farmers, NCR citizens, MLA slaves they sacrifice to empower themselves? People will die. If we play our cards right and choose our battles, we can grow our powerbase with few casualties. This is that battle. Dont chicken out.
>>1813435No.We kill them and thus be the only one who knows there is something here. Then we do as >>1813426 wrote and buddy-buddy with them so the dont ask questions. Fortify the place and when we go to war we have a stronghold in enemy territory, ready to fuck them in the ass.
>>1813437Seeing how we have yet to clear out the entirety of BigMT, is there a likely possibility of open space for us to build these facilities?
>>1813441This is completely fucking different. You are suggesting we deceive, backstab and lie to people who see us as an (at least temporary) ally. There is a thing called honor, once you lose it you don't get it back. What you are suggesting is that we become a slimy piece of shit no better than Oddball. So no I don't agree with you or your bad analogy.
>>1813415>>1813355Okay, if this is the plan you want, simply (re)vote.>Yes>NoAnd link to here for counting
>>1813450No to whole thing. Let them live, do not engage or kill them.
>>1813450>YesWe could use this tech, but more importantly we need the BoS to NOT have this tech.
>>1813455>>1813456>>1813461>>1813462That is 4 for yes, operation is a go!
>>1813463Let the others think.
>>1813463Big vote and short time, there are more lurkers. QM always gives more time on stuff like this.
>>1813464Yes, though the majority vote is clear, I'll give it some time to think over. Also I want to eat lunch right now, so brb.
>>1813450Nope nope nope
We can gain so much more by giving it to the BOS. Their leader is suspicious of us as is and i honestly don't think this will go unnoticed by them. They will probably investigate and if there are any discrepancies we will be fucked.We can gain their trust, however, by giving them it. Them as a trade partner is far more valuable than what we can get from this vault by theft(We can trade for most of it anyway).
>>1813471>>1813469>>1813458>>1813452>>1813453So instead of us getting all of this tech and a loyal AI you want the Midwestern BoS (who is a considerable power that's expanding already) to acquire it all. They've further stated their intent to ally with the NCR whenever they meet them and, indeed, the two faction's ideologies line up together fairly well.This as opposed to US getting all the tech and getting a planted agent (in the form of Diana loyal to us) in the region. They may very well discover this place later on their own, but it would play by whatever rules we dictate at that point, so we can manipulate the situation to our advantage at the time.
>>1813474The ZAX, for example. A hidden base, for example (since the MLA will take the heat). All the tech to ourselves, not anybody else, for example.As opposed to an ideologically different semi-ally who we will fight in the end anyway (unless we, like we do here, take over the central computer and good luck with that in BoS-Land) whom we may trade some stuff for but who is ultimately not worth it.As >>1813456 said.
>>1813478Agree on all points. We have to take a strong stance here. We have to make BigMT great again.
>>1813478>>1813483But aren't we trying to ally with the BoS tho?Comparatively they're pretty tame unlike the other factions and if we can produce the cure for the FEV we can turn them to our side.
>>1813464>>1813466I know I know but you can't blame me for trying. Also we need to start planning out our next few turns / what our next major action is.We've secured the Divide, so materials aren't a worry, and thus I think our focus should be expansion of our robotics factory and power systems. That way we can reprocess it into robots more quickly and expand into the Legion without worrying about attrition too much.To this point, I request that we dedicate our robotics research (and possibly even the ZAX) action for the next five turns purely into improving our automated factories efficiency while expending either our Civilian or one of our construction actions into expanding the factory (the others going towards creating power and other needs or even creating a third construction action).Once we have 2000 of our light skeletal combat robots and many additional TACTs (seriously we should make all of our current soldiers into officers / TACTs assuming they are willing or can be convinced) along with some more other such units we can conquer a fair portion of the Legion and begin our mass expansion east until we meet the BOS.This would also enable us to begin expanding into lands currently unclaimed by any faction which is far easier than our current experience.I would additionally like to request certain researches be performed. Primarily the plasma flamethrowers, but I think we would benefit from a action or two just dedicated to refining our laser / LAER weapons. Possibly followed by looking into creating a robot which can de-brain people on the battlefield so we can convert the Legion's battle hardened fanatics into useful brains (once wiped, they can be used for ZAX's, TACTs and other such things) and bodies for scientific research (implants, FEV, weapons development, medicine, etc).
>>1813489Sure we're trying to ally with the BoS. That is to say, ally with them not become their vassal state. As the disparity in power level stands right now the only thing that keeps us from becoming their vassal state is that they're unlikely to be able to project their forces all the way over to Big MT very easily.Accordingly we need to take steps that make us stronger while maintaining their status quo or reducing them...without drawing ire upon ourselves.
>>1813478I don't want us to be a piece of shit and take moral high ground
>>1813498The Courier has no right to a moral highground, and the moral highground offers no advantages anyway. Especially when the alternative is MUCH more powerful enemies. Is it worth that to you?
>>1813493Not at all. I really do agree with you on all your other points but for this i am not sure the risk outweighs the reward.
>>1813489>But aren't we trying to ally with the BoS tho?God no. The BOS are a dead end and disagree with our culture and other decisions in many areas. They only cause problems.>Comparatively they're pretty tame unlike the other factions and if we can produce the cure for the FEV we can turn them to our side.They commit genocide and even if we could produce that cure, it wouldn't solve the inherent issue. The BOS are going to get us all killed the moment that an alien threat shows up with their "humanity first, suffer not the mutant, oooh raah!" shit seeing as they'd probably try and kill them. Not to mention their fear of genetic modification, hate of sentient machines (refer to FO 4's BOS) and such.I see the BOS the same way I see the NCR. I don't consider either of them worth letting survive seeing what they have done, are doing and will do.
>those cloning vatsWhat if we kill them and clone copies of them that are entirely loyal to us? Like synths? We have the cloning vats. And probably the facilities to reattach whatever upgrades they had...
I am all for using the boon to keep her from getting too cozy with the BOS, it has to be said.
>>1813503Trust me, with our forces we could take a fair bit of land off the Legion. Especially if we can get some more immoral weapons in production and if we can get more TACTs.>>1813505You ain't thinking big enough. Clearly we use them to make clones of us and throw an army of Couriers at the enemy.>>1813506This is the only way thanks to how everything has gone.
>>1813450No.>>1813235Cure for cancer>>1813463Kill yourself. You piece of trash. Along with everybody else who constantly wants to betray literally EVERY person we encounter
People who say>Noas the vote better start throwing out alternative plans to what should we do rather than whine about morals.
>>1813513So are you a liberal heart bleeder? You would be among those slaves who sold out their tribe to the MLA because they beat the trader who tried to scam them. Nice try. Go cry somewhere else.
>>1813513>>1813498We literally work and are good friends with Niner, but now you're getting queasy?
I wonder how the night time players will feel about this.
>>1813513Mate I was one of the people against betraying Elijah. You couldn't be more wrong.
>>1813519I am no moralfag, i often argue for chemical weapons and bio weapons.In terms of Risk Vs. Reward i can see this going extremely poorly, so much so i would suggest the safe route while we build up our forces.
>>1813450I might be too late but>No
Actually since we gave her a radio to communicate with us can't we just have her talk with our ZAX and AI's and have her get a good opinion on us?
>>1813521>liberal heart bleederI'm sorry you fucking idiot that we currently lack the means of being able to protect this area from MLA/Legion attacks which are clearly to have happened in the past and may start again. Why the fuck would I want these resources lost because abunch of morons think it's better to sieze it now and not let it 'operate' undercover within the BoS? >>1813522Only reason I wanted to touch Niner was to get a route to the dark gods to slay them and fuck the NCR. That was before they become super facist.>>1813525Last time betraying somebody worked out so well when we were unprepared right?>>1813519Deploy her as a sleeper agent within the BoS. It's simple, we can get then far more information at the very least about food production and what 'security' and how they operate around here.
>>1813529I did suggest such a thing but OP never responded.
>>1813519I WILL whine about morality. We are trying to establish a totally different nation compared to others. That means keeping true to our ideals.
>>1813531QM can we have her have a nice, civilized conversation with our ZAX and AI's and Brain please?
>>1813530I agree with this anon more and more. We don't have the means to defend this facility, and if we deploy our forces here the BOS will surely question it and see it as an act of aggression. >>1813529We really need to do this>>1813536Supproting
>>1813530>I'm sorry you fucking idiot that we currently lack the means of being able to protect this area from MLA/Legion attacks which are clearly to have happened in the past and may start again. That is incorrect. This location is currently unknown to both those groups. It was a separate place that was attacked by the Legion.>I'm sorry you fucking idiot that we currently lack the means of being able to protect this area from MLA/Legion attacks which are clearly to have happened in the past and may start again. Because we can't make it "operate" undercover in the BOS. Hell to be frank letting the BOS have it probably puts this place at more risk.>Last time betraying somebody worked out so well when we were unprepared right?Except we've had multiple statements by OP that this would probably work. Unlike then when he rolled a d 1000 or something, my memory fails me on the precise details in that regard.>Deploy her as a sleeper agent within the BoS. It's simple, we can get then far more information at the very least about food production and what 'security' and how they operate around here.Except that isn't an option. Hell the only way that is an option is our current plan.
>>1813530>Deploy her as a sleeper agent within the BoS.And how do you plan to do that without betraying the Skirmii and subjugating her to us? Right now she's got much better opinions of the BoS than us.
>>1813530So now you are butthurt. Truly, a master strategist. Did you notice they are blocked off from the outside? That, with our robot data, we could manufacture better bots to defend? That if we dont go non-lethal, it is far easier to protect things? And so on. Calm your tits man, and if you cant, go away.
People who say >No need to give out an alternative plan of action on what should we do about the BoS, and the implications of them having all of this tech. The BoS is going to have a huge edge on the MLA who we are counting on to blunt the offensive of the NCR. The MLA have a trump card in the form of their Dark God who might take action, but we don't know to what extent.We need plans on:>what benefits us giving the BoS this information>how do we get access to the same tech>how do we better foster ties with the BoS with our nation if this is your goal.>DETAILS PEOPLE DETAILS>>1813535More whining. Where is the plan? THE PLAN?
Hell if you guys really wanted Diana you could have corrected her and told her about our teleportation tech here >>1809731>From what you have told to me, your land is very far away and the Brotherhood is almost upon me.
>>1813542Still use the chips but wait until the readers leave the room for the night.>>1813540So the legion who are currently working with the MLA will be unable to locate this area and hit it again?Why is this the only plan. I didn't see a signal fucking person point out this idea at all. Everybody went 'muh boon. Muh fuck them like abunch of savages that have no ability at long term planning or understanding of our current military. >>1813546Are you just a fucking idiot? Because guess what if they are blocked off how are we gonna get reinforcements into this area? We would need to fly them in our somehow smuggle them in with the BoS watching us considering it boarders MLA/LEGION/BoS not us.
>>1813551>what benefits us giving the BoS this informationWe get actual good deals with them, and we can buy military grade stuff not just civilian this time.>how do we get access to the same techDiana can communicate with BigMT now, all we need to do is trade with her, the real problem is how do we keep the tech we give her away from the BoS.>how do we better foster ties with the BoS with our nation if this is your goal.Join them in their war against the MLA maybe?
>>1813559>Still use the chips but wait until the readers leave the room for the night.That might work but then the BOS are aware of this place and shit. Not to mention it risks them finding out since she could warn them.>So the legion who are currently working with the MLA will be unable to locate this area and hit it again?They aren't working together. Your knowledge of the in world situation is atrocious. >Why is this the only plan. I didn't see a signal fucking person point out this idea at all. Everybody went 'muh boon. Muh fuck them like abunch of savages that have no ability at long term planning or understanding of our current military. Wat?>Are you just a fucking idiot? Because guess what if they are blocked off how are we gonna get reinforcements into this area? We would need to fly them in our somehow smuggle them in with the BoS watching us considering it boarders MLA/LEGION/BoS not us.Teleportation and on site construction in it's robotic factory.
>>1813450noWe can't expect everything to go perfectly for us. Just take one for the team and not risk everything we've built up. Diana still wants to be neutral.
>>1813551The stuff here is not so super important to keep out of brotherhood hands. We don't need to prevent them from getting the tech, and not killing the reavers fosters good relations.
>>1813570>Teleportation and on site construction in it's robotic factory.THIS!We could have offered to build a teleporter somewhere to help her defend but we didn't. However there's still a chance we can come out on top if we get on her good side by having her talk with BigMT, then she can act as a spy for us.
>>1813450How about>OtherWait for an opportune moment when the Reavers have left, use the Cultural Boon, and then gain control of Diana.
>>1813565>We get actual good deals with them, and we can buy military grade stuff not just civilian this time.Actually we get that so long as we bring back some tech. Which we can currently do with our holotape of accelerated development we got a few posts back >>1812204 or anything else we get from here.>Diana can communicate with BigMT now, all we need to do is trade with her, the real problem is how do we keep the tech we give her away from the BoS.Not to mention the problem of her not being willing to supply technology probably.>Join them in their war against the MLA maybe?No. That ends horribly.
>>1813577WE can't just spend a cultural boon and take control of an ai.
>>1813580Why not? That's literally what's being proposed already, in addition to killing the Skirmii.
>>1813578>Actually we get that so long as we bring back some tech. Which we can currently do with our holotape of accelerated development we got a few posts back >>1812204 or anything else we get from here.I was fairly certain that the BoS offered a fair deal just for joining this quest and getting some information for them, are you sure we have to bring back tech?
>>1813583That's not how cultural boons work. Just let the Skirmii do their thing and not risk our deal with the brotherhood. And the reavers aren't leaving. They are staying to help out.
>>1813584We don't. We did our part, just have to return.
>>1813580Yes we can. Read OP's post. >>1813575We have facilities as big as BigMT in terms of cloning and biological research here. Along with hidden tech stuff we have yet to discover. The fact that NOONE here has any direct plan of action other than some vague talks of trading benefits clears my mind of any decision NOT to take over Diana. Until someone really presents a PLAN not some vague benefits.
>>1813585They're leaving the immediate vicinity, which is all we need them to do.That IS how this cultural boon will work. You clearly haven't been paying enough attention.
>>1813595fine, we can. But we shouldn't. We' shouldn't be enslaving anyone, AI included.
>>1813583Actually no, killing them is needed to avoid the BOS coming here and fucking shit up in regards to this place being a secret. Not to mention them potentially killing the AI or otherwise trying to take over.>>1813584>>1813586Shit yeah my mistake.>>1813595>That IS how this cultural boon will work. You clearly haven't been paying enough attention.OP's word mate, this is the only way we can boon out of the situation.
>>1813450Little late but yes
This is the detailed plan according to OP:- tranq and kill the Skirmii- take over Diana- mutilate their bodies to make it look like MLA work- Return the bodies to the BoS and say that the MLA attacked and we didn't complete our mission.- They believe us and appreciate us returning our bodies while we receive an entire Vault of biological research facilities that is UNKNOWN to the outside world.- We get our ship back and still have ties with the BoS.Somebody who thinks>No should provide a detailed plan as above, CLEARLY outlining the benefits of doing so.
>>1813601Killing is not needed. Diana probably has protection from the Reavers by being a perfect being. They won't do anything to endanger her.
>>1813598Why not? Otherwise all this shit goes to the Midwestern BoS and we get a much higher chance of having our face stomped in by them.
>>1813606We don't do any of that, we don't risk our alliance with the brotherhood and we return with good relations with the brotherhood and the Skirmii singing our praises.
>>1813577This is a more acceptable compromise. Still, we would be enslaving somebody.
>>1813606Keep in mind that OP has said that if we use our Cultural/Diplomacy Boon than we are GUARENTEED for this plan to succeed.>>1813415
>>1813607But they WILL tell the BoS, who may think that taking over the TREASURETROVE OF GENE TECH will be a good thing. This >>1813606 is the only good option.
>>1813601The BoS coming here, one way or another, is unavoidable. They've dispatched this scouting expedition, even if we don't return they'll dispatch more.The best we can hope for is to control Diana so that all future interactions with this place are as much to our benefit as possible.
>>1813614And then the BoS find out and we are still fucked. They have to die.
>>1813618And then we direct new ones to MLA areas where we will not be spotted. If we alert the BoS they are sure to try to take it from us.
>>1813606Why should I? Why do you need a detailed plan and PowerPoint presentation to explain you right and wrong. You could kill and rob an old lady in an alleyway and get away with it, does that mean you have to do it? Do people need to explain you why it's a wrong thing to do? We know that we are losing things here, and we say that it's okay. Sometimes we can't get everything we want.
>>1813618>The BoS coming here, one way or another, is unavoidable. They've dispatched this scouting expedition, even if we don't return they'll dispatch more.True but if we imply the place was being (or has been) picked clean by the MLA (fitting into how we apparently got captured and the Reavers got killed) then they'll assume it is a lost cause. By the time they find out the truth, we should've taken over a fair portion of the Legion and been able to establish a teleportation system to and from Diana's holdings. Meaning we can imply that this was our own work and even if they tried anything, we could hold out.>The best we can hope for is to control Diana so that all future interactions with this place are as much to our benefit as possible.Agreed. So we are in agreement to controlling her / doing this plan but you want to avoid killing the Reavers / do it later? If it comes down to it, I guess I could support that.>>1813624Jesus you are a piece of work, you know that.
>>1813616Lmao Your think OP will not pull some shit at the last moment?
>>1813623If we control the AI that controls the facility (but not openly) then their only choice for taking it and its contents would be by force. This is unlikely to happen with the Reavers idolizing Zax-AI. So we essentially just get the BoS to defend this location from outsiders (they wouldn't want anyone else getting access to this tech) and keep everything good for ourselves.In the event the BoS does decide they might want to perform a forceful takeover we've got satellite communications with the facility and could exert diplomatic pressure to ensure it wasn't taken over by force. We could also produce Big MT robot models from the factories here while still taking advantage of Brotherhood protection, to be prepared.
>>1813624It's more like>You can kill and rob an old lady in an alleyway and get away with it. She has a gun in her purse that would be yours.>You can /not/ kill and rob the old lady, someone else will. They don't like you and they'll have the gun.
>>1813610Also this. The only thing we disagree with BoS is their views on mutants. We can work on lessening their harsh position and one of the steps is getting good relationship with them.
>>1813606-Have Diana talk with our guys in BigMT so she warms up to us.-Get her friendly with us so she begins to act as a spy for us.Done.
>>1813629Yeah I could agree to that assuming you can get the other anon's to support you.I'd prefer if we stay behind and tell the BOS Reavers to go on ahead while we help the AI more and then pull the plan rather than waiting for them to sleep.
>>1813636And when that doesn't work? Seriously you say that as if it can't fail.
>>1813636>Diana likes our guys talking with her so much that it overrides actual physical presence and support from the BoSRight.
>>1813624MAN, are you stupid. No plan, no argument and shit ideas.
>>1813638>>1813639Just spend a cultural boon, which we would have do for the other plan anyway.
>>1813638And the kill the reaver plan can't? What if the autopsy the bodies and figure out they are not consistent with MLA attacks? or send in another team once we're gone? The less we fuck around with things the less can go wrong.
>>1813633>>1813633No it isn't. Your analogy assumes we are defenseless and unarmed and the only way to protect ourself is to kill the lady and take her gun when nothing else could be farther from truth. AAlso BoS doesn't hate us. In fact they have been rather accommodating Another thing, I used the analogy to show a clear action which will give a person only personal gain with no risks involved. But does that mean we have to do it? If we wanted the courier to be such a piece of shit we would have gone the way of Niner and become a raider
>>1813629You make a good point. I like this idea. Maybe we can have Diana stress the importance of neutrality. I'm
>>1813643Why not get her under our actual control then?
>>1813647Because we don't have to enslave anyone, and it's better that way.
>>1813629Very much this. Well put anon.
>>1813629I am willing to change my support to >no if we go with this guy's plan.>>1813651Fuck off with your moralfaggotry. We're a leader of a country not a priest.
>>1813647Cause then we don't have to fight the reavers, which we can fail at, and don't have to fight Diana's security, which we don't know the full extent of.
>>1813651Better how?? That it is uncertain whether she is actually with us? That we cant be sure she wont do things against us because she thinks it would protect her "children"? So many holes.
>>1813644The OP says our character is sure it will work. Usually when he doesn't say anything things go wrong.
>>1813645We're already tacit allies with Niner's warband much more so than with anyone else. You know, the dude who lets his mutant dog fuck our decorated ex-officer. Didn't do shit about that, still aren't doing shit about that.Here's the better analogy then.>You can kill and rob a soldier who has a minigun. You yourself have some arms, but a minigun would be pretty handy to have too.>You can /not/ kill and rob the soldier with a minigun, in which case another soldier who is neither explicitly your enemy nor your ally, will get it.Better to be the guy with the minigun.>>1813651Pssssht, that's as much a non-argument as the way I'm dismissing your opinion right now.
>>1813656We just wrote a book about our morality. Enslaving people was not something we included. We are not becoming hypocrites because of you fear of the brotherhood.
>>1813642And you're an absolute piece of human waste? So what's different? Are this fucking retarded to not see that being an evil shithead is a bad thing? You are suggesting we enslave a sentient being after we murder our companions and betray another faction. Are you this morally defunct that you don't see anything wrong with it?
>>1813661This guy raises a good point.
>>1813660I wanted to do shit about it but some people either liked jerking off the MLA too much or were afraid we can't beat them.
>>1813661Its only a problem if people find out we are hypocrites.
>>1813656Our nation is BUILT on moralfaggotry
>>1813636hell i just realized we don't even have to make her our friend immediately, just like how the BoS won't get all her tech immediately, we can spend several hero actions talking to her.
>>1813669No one can find out if we don't become hypocrites. Someone always finds out, and I don't want to violate our people's trust in us.
>>1813657You mean the Reavers who are going to leave the room? You mean Diana's security who isn't anywhere near us right now and we're super close to Diana's brain?>>1813661We wrote a book about our vision of the future. Not about morality. Who are you to say that our action that will no doubt contribute to our victory will not be the most moral and righteous action? OUR victory is the moral victory and if that means changing an AI's programming than it is our moral duty to do so in a heartbeat. The ends justifies the means.
>>1813408So guys, is seducing Diana and Linux still on the table?
>>1813669Are you for real?
>>1813673exactly. Just because the brotherhood knows about her doesn't mean she's going to just give them everything. The reaver's practically worship her. She will hold a lot of sway with them, preventing the brotherhood at large from doing anything brash.
>>1813678Are you retarded? Just because we win does not make us the moral victor. Karma is a measurable thing, and it is bad karma to enslave people, even if it helps you win a war.
>>1813681Absolutely. Better than whatever is being suggested here
>>1813684She totally would give them everything, because they're willing to trade and they've got valuable shit to give her back. Maybe not literally immediately but certainly soon.>>1813687If our dose of bad karma here is outweighed by not having to send soldiers to their deaths later on down the line against beefed-up BoS fuckers then we come out net positive. That's the point.
>>1813678>You mean the Reavers who are going to leave the room? You mean Diana's security who isn't anywhere near us right now and we're super close to Diana's brain?You were supporting this plan earlier >>1813606It says right there that we have to kill the Skirmii, plus we're at the control tower, i don't recall that being where Diana's brain/ZAX is.
>>1813681>>1813689I agree.>>1813694>She totally would give them everything, because they're willing to trade and they've got valuable shit to give her back. Maybe not literally immediately but certainly soon.And we don't?
>>1813694Except our soldiers are mostly robots. They don't die. Enslaving people so robots don't die does not outway any bad karma we get. No one is shedding tears over securitron mark 6 #2374
So our options are to play morally, give the BoS (who express the desire to ally with the NCR) a potentially large benefit and increase to their robotic production or commit some evil, gain a second ZAX, large robotic production facilities, apparently piles of GECKs, tons of research, and no one will know about it besides us. This is an obvious choice, we need to get our hands dirty.
>>1813662So all you have is "this isnt nice"? On the other hand, we have a plan that QM says will work and that eaves us in control with other factions none the wiser. Take a guess which option I support.Also, I like the fact that your arguments boil down to name calling and morality spewing. Real forward stuff.
>>1813706You arent factoring all the details in. Sure, your points are correct but there is allot of other factors you have to consder
>>1813708The only part that is guranteed is the actof enslaving DIana. We can still fuck up shooting 5 guys before they can respond. If we aren't quick enough, Diana goes on lockdown for shooting people in her house, and we lose access to anything. Then we don't have access to enslave her.
>>1813696You were responding to >>1813647 plan which was >>1813629. I said I supported "no" if we went with his plan and OP said the brain was quite close: >>1813364
>>1813712What other factors?
>>1813703We've got to trek halfway across the US in order to trade shit to her, they've got to go next door.>>1813704How about when they get a whiff of the mutants and such that we keep among our populace and then go on missions specifically to eradicate them, our civilians?
>>1813723We can use the cultural boon to help convince the general like we were planning before all this.
>>1813712Like what? None of the other "no" posters want to give us any reasoning other than vague trade benefits and morality unsuitable for politics.
>>1813722Also if we've learned anything from this, it's that from now on we either go on quests alone or with our companions.
>>1813708Do you honestly think that there are more arguments to be made to explain why one should not enslave, betray and murder?
>>1813728We risk making the brotherhood our enemy, we risk being locked off by Diana and the enslave her plan goes wrong, we risk pissing of our people when they find out we enslaved someone.A bird in the hand is worht two in the bush. Best not to fuck around getting greedy.
>>1813736Absolutely, when you aren't dealing on a personal scale but on a national scale.
>>1813722>>1813728We fail and get the BOS mad at us. The BOS discover this place later and find us here. If we up our diplomacy game we can get the AI on our side over time and get her to spy for us. The BOS will undoubtebly heavily garrison this place and if they find it the not!admech will love us for helping finding it. We can set up a teleporter here easily and use diplomacy to keep the BOS from rewriting and doing a hostile takeover as I highly doubt the not!admech will let them rewrite this AI. We can also trade for tech with the ai, probably(SPEECH 100) work on making sure she doesn't trade our tech to the BOS.If we fail in killing the skrimri and a email gets out, this will end poorly.
>>1813737A bird in the hand would BE ENSLAVING DIANA.
>>1813747It would be leaving with what we have with relations intact and no slaves.
>>1813736We literally have lobotmite prostitutes who are functionally brainless slaves. This high degree of morals isn't going to help when the NCR-BoS alliance comes to us. Either we need to do what we can to strengthen our forces or we need to look at allying with one of the major factions. Considering they're all bad in some way, maybe we should just take some negative karma ourselves and get a second ZAX. She has a satellite too. This fixes our communications problem as well.
>>1813749That's just seeing all the pretty birds in the bushes and then walking away without doing anything to any of them while others catch them.
>>1813643True but OP is probably not going to go easy on you.>>1813644It can but my point was that your plan won't work since conversation and knowing we are a good guy won't get her to ignore her reasons.>>1813661No, we wrote a book on our end goal / ideological position / opinions. Not morals or ethics.
>>1813750NCR BOS alliance will never happen. We are more than likely able to ally with the BOS. >>1813753We have tech, and eggs, and good relations with everyone. We're coming out ahead than what we came in with.
>>1813755\Adnd you think he would go easy on you for this? There is a bunch of stuff that needs to go right for this to work.Our idealogical position might have a surprising lack of slavery for you.
>>1813756>NCR BOS alliance will never happen. Actually it seems pretty logical and likely.>We are more than likely able to ally with the BOS. HA. Fuck no that ain't happening. We've got mutants and ghouls galore not to mention our other shit.>We have tech, and eggs, and good relations with everyone. We're coming out ahead than what we came in with.True but we could be leaving here far stronger.
>>1813736>betrayWe've done that with House, NCR, and the Legion all at once on the Mojave>murderWe've do that all the time holyshit.>>1813737>we risk the Brotherhood becoming our enemy.>The plan goes wrong.>if our people find outWe are GUARENTEED success by OP.
>>1813765We are guaranteed success on enslaving her. Nothing else is guaranteed.
>>1813761>Adnd you think he would go easy on you for this? There is a bunch of stuff that needs to go right for this to work.>Our idealogical position might have a surprising lack of slavery for you.Okay, first point: fuck you and the high horse's dick you are riding on.Second point: like I give a damn. I've explained my position on shit like this before: success over morals, let the world we build judge us.
>>1813777To be fair that makes it better than every other plan off the bat.
>>1813765This. We caused the Yaunker administration to take over by screwing over the NCR in the Mojave. We're guaranteed success. Unless we do something stupid in a conversation later on we really shouldn't get any negative repercussions from this.Besides, the BoS dislike FEV and mutants. Mutants like our daughter and one of our wives.
>>1813777Hey OP with a boon is the plan being voted on guaranteed go suceed?
>>1813779Shit forgot to reply to that first bit:>Adnd you think he would go easy on you for this? There is a bunch of stuff that needs to go right for this to work.I don't but I trust this shit working out far more so than I trust any other plan and the benefits of this are far greater.
>>1813782There are never no negative repercussions to anything we do. And if we got Yaunker to happen by dicking around, why do you think something bad won't happen if we dick around here?
>>1813777So we DON'T risk the BoS becoming our enemy because they don't know.So the plan DOESN'T goes wrong.Our people WILL NEVER FIND OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE SINCE THEY HAVE NO REASON TO LOOK INTO IT. This is the level of foresight you have.
>>1813782>>1813794Actually I've came to believe that Yaunker was always going to happen.
>>1813802Your level of foresight is believing the plan would go perfectly. It won't. Nothing ever does.
>>1813788yes, in so far as what is being outline.
>>1813765There is difference between murdering someone and killing someone
>>1813804Hmm. Part of you wonders if the Yaunker craze may have been caused by mass panic in the NCR and the immense fear of a Legion invasion, which bred a fertile ground for his emotive message of "unify or we all die".Ironically, had the NCR won at Hoover Dam, you think would might have likely be dealing with a stronger Kimball administration and his tactics right now.
>>1813822Okay so that means we eliminate the BOS Reavers and convert the AI without issue and possibly that we even get a pass regarding the BOS proper's suspicion of us.Even if that weren't the case, if we delay our return while we wait for founding day to happen (spending a little time here messing around and fixing shit, getting stuff ready) we can burn the small-boon we get then to improve that situation too.
>>1813830OP what about this >>1813629 plan? Is it guarenteed to work?
>>1813822Does spending a boon guarantee success for any plan? Would it guarantee this one >>1813636
>>1813830>>1813839He wants to only take over AI after the Reavers leave the room broadly speaking.
>>1813235>Cure for cancer
>>1813847Personally i like his plan better than the one that kills the Reavers, so i hope that one wins if we don't go with the "Befriend her and more" plan
>>1813845I support this plan.
>>1813636>-Have Diana talk with our guys in BigMT so she warms up to us.>-Get her friendly with us so she begins to act as a spy for us.There's no guarnatee she likes what she see's in BigMT or that even if she acts friendly she will be a spy for you. >>1813847>>1813629The Reavers seem like they are going to stay in the room, at least some of them most of the time, furthermore you suspect they will be calling for more reinforcements if their call goes through making tampering with the brain more difficult.--It is easier for boons to boost and ensure very concrete things. Chips which enforce thought patterns for example.
>>1813864There is no gurantee, but we're pretty close to what she has. She should like what she sees.
>>1813864>Chips which enforce thought patterns for example.Ok i'm up for the "Wait for the reavers to leave and control Diana" plan now, as long as we don't go to far with the thought pattern enforcement.
>>1813872>>1813873Technically we could enforce a thought pattern that she likes what she sees in BigMT, and that she is willing to be our ally and spy for us.
Rolled 35 (1d100)>>1813629>>1813636Lemme do an INT roll
>>1813864Well then fuck it, they're getting murdered.We can still tell the BoS about the area and then it'll be all credit to us still, and make us less suspicious too.
>tfw 7 yeses & 7 nos.>>1813878>OP rolls on our side>He rolls shit.Wat da fug.
Rolled 21 (1d100)>>1813878let me help
>>1813878You yourself are rather skeptical about these alternative plans, mostly because you feel there are a lot of loose ends here.Not to mention you're reliant on them leaving the room which they might not, and it would be impossible to hide neurosurgery in front of these guys. Even if she does like what she see's, it doesn't make you any closer to her physically than the Brotherhood of Steel. Certainly she may be open to trade, but the Brotherhood of Steel is most likely going to get a lot stronger from the things here, whether she accepts or is forced by them both of which are open possibillities.Its not bad plans, but you would have needed more time and been alone to have made it work.
>>1813873Except OP has pretty much stated that plan ain't feasible. They are staying in the room / facility in shifts and will be getting even more reinforcements soon.
>>1813892>Its not bad plans, but you would have needed more time and been alone to have made it work.But we do have time(For the befriend plan at least) unless the BoS immediately tries to trade or take everything from her.
>>1813505>>1813892OP what about this one?
>>1813892Then we can take the time. We're rushing into things. That leaves loose ends a plenty.
>>1813892I hate this constant desire of beytraing. Vote no is best. We aren't the legion or MLA or NCR
>>1813864>>1813892>>1813681Hey QM, what about this one?
>>1813900>>1813898>>1813901Dont you see we have no plan? We either take everything or hope the BoS doesnt. As Q; stated >>1813892 this is not the case. We either take it or we are fucked. Its as simple as that.
>>1813898Which is almost certainly their intent and I'd point out that befriending her wouldn't make her stop helping the BOS.>>1813899That ain't a plan.>>1813900Nah, it's now or never.>>1813901You imply we only ever betray people. You ignore the Chinese, the shit with Crypto and such.>>1813902Unlikely to work.
>>1813900By more time like, literally moments away from them sending an E-mail and setting of the cascade for the Brotherhood to make this their new focus of attention.>>1813505Hmmmm.Technically you could freeze them all and try that, maybe some neuroscience.Although, you'd had better hope they don't have neuroscience back. And judging from the implants these guys have they also have neuroscience so its anyones guess if they figure it out.And these guys seem to have a thing for treating potential malicious software as a literal devil.It'd be a gamble.>>1813681Always anon. Always, though, not even you have the power to seduce someone to your side in minutes.Gods know finding all those pencils and teddy bears for Willow took ages.
>>1813914That's plenty of betrayal. Too much. Sometimes we have to accept that in a cooperative effort, someone benefits more than us. WE're getting greedy.
>>1813901ThisI believe that NCR and even Legion stay true to their word and ideals.
>>1813915So lets just do it and be done with it. Not let the BoS get their grubby hands on anything and further improve this place. Set up a teleporter and we have an instant base with cloning tech. Its not that complicated. So: YES
>>1813918>That's plenty of betrayal. Too much.So I point out times where we didn't betray people and you somehow think that we did? If not, then what the hell did you mean?>Sometimes we have to accept that in a cooperative effort, someone benefits more than us. WE're getting greedy.Aye but currently there is no reason to do that besides you having a moralistic problem.
>>1813914>Which is almost certainly their intent and I'd point out that befriending her wouldn't make her stop helping the BOS.And why would we want her not to? We can get that tech too so we will still be superior to the BoS.
>>1813915Hm. Voting no.>Gods know finding all those pencils and teddy bears for Willow took ages.Does this mean we could produce a boon's worth of toys for them?
>>1813918Are you literally retarded?? We just give people an advantage?? People who we KNOW will not like us once they see what we have going on back home? >>1813920Again, this is a clean strike with minimal casualties. If we let the BoS take over we will have to spend many more lives taking this. Not to mention difficulties from the tech they would get. It is not a good option.
>>1813914>You imply we only ever betray people. You ignore the Chinese, the shit with Crypto and such.We did almost give in to cryptos demands, it was a close call if i recall.And me might have considered betraying the Chinese too, i don't remember though.
>>1813923We didn't betray 1 people. We betrayed crypto technically, though everyone knew that. We're betraying the NCR, the legion, and the MLA. I would like 1 faction where we don't have skeletons in our closet from operating against them.
Hey if you guys voted twice pls delete, I'm going to make a simple Ctrl+f tally of the Yes No's so far
>>1813932Technically you haven't betrayed the MLA yet, except bailing on that adventurer party
>>1813901Where were you all this time?
>>1813932So your conscience is worth more than the lives of our people when we get into a war against a stronger foe than before because we decided to give them tech to make them stronger/kill people they dont like (remember Eden?)? This is a no-brainer. The winnings justify the deed many times over.
>>1813924>And why would we want her not to? Because it makes the BOS stronger which means the MLA stops holding the line against them and thus they have less to spare against the NCR and shit. Not to mention it making war against the BOS harder when we inevitably have to do that.>We can get that tech too so we will still be superior to the BoS.Ignoring the difficulty of getting everything this place could offer us if she is acting independently, the BOS can almost certainly offer more to her than us meaning they'd get it quicker and easier.>>1813929>We did almost give in to cryptos demands, it was a close call if i recall.True but my point was that we didn't sell out our people even if it was a close call.>And me might have considered betraying the Chinese too, i don't remember though.Nope.>>1813932>We didn't betray 1 people. We betrayed crypto technically, though everyone knew that. We're betraying the NCR, the legion, and the MLA. I would like 1 faction where we don't have skeletons in our closet from operating against them.Every nation has skeletons in it's closet with every other nation. As to having factions where we don't have skeletons, that seems pointless seeing as we are going to conquer them all in time.Seriously you are making issues out of nothing because it feels wrong to you seemingly.Also, we've never betrayed the Legion.
>>1813936I have a job anon. Unlike apprently 90% of everybody else. I'm on lunch
>>1813940>True but my point was that we didn't sell out our people even if it was a close call.Oh please, just because we didn't do it in the end doesn't erase that we almost did.
>>1813933QM, count them only from a single ppint or else it'll get bad.
>>1813942You too! Now I'm 90% sure we're tied.
>>1813933That seems like a bad plan. The potential for it to go wrong is high.
>>1813928The BoS are not our fucking enemy. OP said that there are ways to influence their stance on mutants so don't bring up that they will genocide part of our population.
>>1813940>Seriously you are making issues out of nothing because it feels wrong to you seemingly.Couldnt agree more.QM, this was YESd already and since the plan works, the PC thinks it works and the opposition has no real alternatives, we have to do it now.
>>1813940It is not inevitable that we go to war with the BOS. We can use the cultural boon to soften their stance on mutants, and they could be a valuable ally.
>>1813952You are a jumpy little bugger? You realize the QM said this is a major thing that he was gonna leave it open for abit right?
>>1813953This is so much "ifs" and "bits". And if we roll shit on persuasion it all goes up in smoke. Whereas this we KNOW WILL WORK. Come on man.
>>1813946>Oh please, just because we didn't do it in the end doesn't erase that we almost did.And by that logic every time we almost did anything, we should be held to account. Seriously you sound insane.>>1813949OP has stated that it won't.>>1813950>The BoS are not our fucking enemy. They are though. They are an independent nation with differing morals that limit some of our goals and have control over vital resources / lands.>OP said that there are ways to influence their stance on mutants so don't bring up that they will genocide part of our population.True but I doubt we'd pull it off.
>>1813958We've accomplished much, we can negotiate with the BOS just fine.
>>1813958Jesus I am fucking tired, should've looked at what that post was linking to. Ignore that second link, should've looked at the ID and what it linked to.
>>1813955Ok, with what I said, what is your option that is guaranteed to work? That leaves us in an advantageous position. That doesnt result in the BoS getting a leg up. if we want to ally with them, we can trade them the tech. There is no reason to oppose this other than "I thin this is immoral".
>>1813958>And by that logic every time we almost did anything, we should be held to account. Seriously you sound insane.This argument started because this anons says we always desire betraying >>1813901And i proved him right, the only faction we didn't argue about whether or not to betray was the Chinese.
>>1813961Potentially but you are trading a certain gain right now that won't compromise relations for a possibility of slightly better relations in the future with a group who we might fail to convince to accept our ideological differences.
>>1813937It depends if we ever go to war against BoS which can be easily prevented
YES>>1813455>>1813456>>1813461>>1813462>>1813475>>1813532>>1813603>>1813882>>1813921>>1813942NO>>1813452>>1813453>>1813458>>1813469>>1813471>>1813513>>1813527>>1813571>>1813926Double checking, this isn't final
>>1813969>tA small gain now for a larger gain later. It's big picture thinking. CUltural boon now is one not being used diplomatically.
>>1813972vote no here >>1813901
>>1813963I wasn't addressing that. I was addressing the fact the QM stated voting would remain open longer this time due to the fact this was a big choice to make. I would rather we attempt to be peaceful and make an ally to deal with the MLA/Legion/NCR then make somebody become another enemy but at the end of the day. It doesn't seem to matter.>>1813972Oh well. That's life
>>1813971Again, if we want them as allies, we can have an advantage in negotiations by way of lots of tech from here. If we want to go to war, we have the tech, again. The only way it goes bad for us is if the BoS get here and take over. Then we play by their terms and if they decide they dont like us we are fucked. If we botch a persuasion roll, we are fucked. With this plan, we are Not Fucked. The only good way out.
>>1813450>>1813933>>1813926For linking.>>1813475>>1813921Double-vote for yes.>>1813901You didn't count a vote for no.
>>1813972Although i don't know if this counts, you forgot >>1813901
>10 yeses, 10 nos and 300 posts later...
>>1813972doiuble vote yes.>>1813456>>1813882
YES>>1813455>>1813456>>1813461>>1813462>>1813475>>1813532>>1813603>>1813942NO>>1813452>>1813453>>1813458>>1813469>>1813471>>1813513>>1813527>>1813571>>1813926Seems to be in favor of no right now. Not calling it yet, will give some more time---One time the Courier was eating a fortune cookie. It said this: "It is more difficult to climb a high road, than to walk down a low road. Eat more at Changs for energy!"
>>1813990Lets not do it, it seems to risky
>>1813996You're counted already. Stop it.
>>1813990QM this will never end if you keep it open all day.
>>1813967>And i proved him rightYou really didn't. We never betrayed the Mutants when we had a opportunity, we could've left them to the Legion. We never betrayed our people to the aliens, we could've left them to Crypto. We never betrayed or abandoned the Chinese: we could've left them to fight the Tunnellers alone. We never betrayed them again, when the Hubbologists asked for the alien ship in which they live. We never betrayed Oddball, even if I think we should've. We never betrayed the Hubbologists either now that I think about it, we could've left them to die or turned them in to the NCR / Shi. We never betrayed Unity. We never betrayed the Enclave. Honestly I am almost certainly forgetting a few more.But fuck it. I honestly couldn't care if we DO constantly betray every faction. To be frank it's the only way we are going to win anytime soon.
>>1813996Stop voting you ass, he already counted you.
>>1813996You already voted silly.>>1813998Which one? The Boon Plan? You're quite confident it will work.
>>1813990Funny how we have 4 people arguing against but suddenly 10 voters. Smells fishy.
>>1814003>We never betrayed our people to the aliens, we could've left them to Crypto.But we fucking argued about it way too much, that's the point, we consider betraying people way to much and that anon was sick of it.
>>1814002I won't keep it open all day, just a bit longer. It seems most everyone who can vote, already has.I'm writing up both results just in case.
>>1814007Says the guy who was just attempting to samefag in the first place.
>>1813975No, a large gain now for a small gain later. Since getting any utility out of good relations with the BOS and them having this place is dependent on them being willing to help us. Not to mention the utility of the satellite, the additional robotics factory, the technology, the genebanks, the ZAX and everything else here to us more immediately.
>>1814000So NO wins by literally one vote so far. Wow.>>1813996Please don't keep making a new vote, you're looking like you're triple-voting now.>>1814007They could simply have come out of the woodworks when they saw the QM pop up.
>>1814006>Which one? The Boon Plan? You're quite confident it will work.AGAIN, IT WILL WORK. It is the only way out that ends best for us. All across the board best for us.Even if we ally with the BoS this is best for us.
>>1814006It wuld work in the short term. Long term ramifications are a risk.
>>1814011Aye and in that case he is retarded. Of course we should consider betraying everyone for exactly the same reason we consider allying with everyone: we are the leader of a nation and must act for the benefit of our nation, no matter how we may think the moral or ethical value of our decision.>>1814019>It wuld work in the short term. Long term ramifications are a risk.What long term ramifications?
>>1814012How much is a bit. I went into work when you started the vote. It's been how many hours my friend?
>>1814006>>1814018Anon, you're replying to the QM on this.
I am starting to think this is gonna be like the Crypto situation, there's gonna be an unknown factor that will only pop up when we make the choice, like how the Chinese would have attacked us had we accepted Crypto.
>>1814019Perhaps. Though there's also some potential long term ramifications of giving the BoS a GECK "factory" or anti-viral research.>>181402620 more min then locking and updating.
>>1814025No secret stays secret forever. BOS can find out, and we would end up with enemies, rather than allies.
>>1814027Was a PSA for those on the fence. But seriously, this has no drawbacks and a HUGE benefit and people dont want to do this because it gets our hands dirty. But as >>1814025 put so well, this is not about us feeling bad but the future of our nation.
>>1814037>implying againStop it.
>>1814032That's what happens when you have a living world.>>1814033I got the time to sit and watch the sadness then. >>1814042His right though. No secret stays a secret forever
>>1814042Implying that our dirty secrets stay secret? Almost as if that is a concern that should be held whenever we're doing shady shit.
>>1814037what the QM said >>1814033 and you STILL think this is a good idea??
>>1814037Except you have no information to back that assertion up.>>1814041Thank you.
>>1814041>>1814006>>1813915What's keeping us from using the same Boon to seducing them, then?
>>1814044>>1814045All speculation and baseless assumptions.
>>1814049It doesn't need information. It's and inevitability of keeping secrets.
>>1814050What QM said here >>1813915>Always anon. Always, though, not even you have the power to seduce someone to your side in minutes.>Gods know finding all those pencils and teddy bears for Willow took ages.
>>1814054You're so fucking stupid lad. OP says that they won't find out and you're worried about them finding out.
>>1814054No I meant you assume that the BOS is instantly going to declare war on us and shit over this.Seriously you imply that we are going to have our name all over the walls or something. Rather than having it look like the AI did it and then we unified with it.
>>1814050Nothing stops you from seducing them, the main point here is that the Brotherhood is about to find out about this place.
>>1814058But is this the case with or without the boon?
>>1814050The fact that even IF we do it, the BoS will be at our door soon. And even IF she stays loyal to us to the end (to the detriment of her "children" due to war) the BoS have a larger presence in the are with which to "reclaim the relic" of the reavers from our clutches. Do you think the reavers wont want the tech here? Or the BoS? If they find out it is game over for us at this site until we get an army to take it and by then the BoS have the tech and the advantage.
Alright "no" voters what is your justification? Let's see if we can't change some minds...
>>1814069Oh, right. So seducing them with a boon won't stop them from finding out?
>>1814075Yes. We are fucked if we dont stop them right now.
>>1814074I will not be put through what you did to that one anon earlier. My vote is remaining the same.
The Brotherhood is going get a biological research station the size of BigMT and people are ok with it because waifufaggotry, moralfaggotry, and "muh trade"
>>1814070I don't know.
>>1814075The point being we dont have the tine to seduce them.
>>1814084Basically, yes. This is so bad.QM, can you please step in and explain what we know and what we dont so the people get why this has to happen right now?
If the nos win it this is going to change the game in Supreme favor of the brotherhood. Jesus christ.Were going to need so many robots to handle them its going to be unreal.
>>1814075You're thinking in slow motion right now anon, as they are tip tapping at the terminal keyboard with their metal fingers to send a message to the BOS.
>>1814033>Perhaps. Though there's also some potential long term ramifications of giving the BoS a GECK "factory" or anti-viral research.Wait, why the fuck do people care that we're giving the BoS GECKS and Anti-Viral research?Those will do literally nothing to us and we can buy a GECK from Diana later to research.
>>1814084I find it funny that we keep talking about "muh trade" but never really do any trading.
>>1814095SupCom levels of spam. We will have to spam tankitrons at the rate the NCR is spamming regular infantry. A catastrophe really.
>>1814098OP please do me a favour. Explain precisely and in detail how the boon plan would work out. In the vague hope is assuage some Anon's fears. That or give us a few more hours to debate and shit.
I'm not sure why your all so spazzing when the GM said before we can influence the BoS and soften the stance on mutants. They don't need to be an enemy unless you make them into one
>>1814100The argument seems to stem from the idea that war with the Brotherhood is inevitable, and so allowing them to be stronger is a bad idea.Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Truth be told nothing is 'inevitable'. For example, war with the NCR could be avoided by joining the NCR. Nor is war with the MLA inevitable if you players choose not to.
>>1814105>more hours to debateDear God no. This has been going on for hours already. Either yes wins or no wins. It's that simple, if I lose oh well which is ehat it's looking like
>>1814095That assumes we go to war with them. We can work things out diplomatically.
>>1814100BoS has a GECK to conver shit land into eden. Improves food output. Geck has a nuclear reactor in it. Makes power. Literally terraforms the earth. Wat could go wrong.BoS has virus research. Vaccinates everyone they like against bad virus. Spreads it where they dont like people. Shit goes bad.Considering how everybody pulls shit out of their ass, this is a major no-no.
So I just woke up. Can someone give me a tl;dr of the yes and no vote
>>1814100>Wait, why the fuck do people care that we're giving the BoS GECKS and Anti-Viral research?Because GECKs in Fallout are essentially miracle machines and the anti-viral research will let them develop a "cure" for mutation. Which probably means death for all mutants.>Those will do literally nothing to us and we can buy a GECK from Diana later to research.Those would allow us to convert large regions of uninhabitable and irradiated land into eden and were incredibly expensive to produce even pre-war.>>1814106Because people don't want to take full advantage of this place and get every possible benefit without risk.>>1814114No. We will debate this until every possibly angle has been explored and everyone is certain in their positions.
>>1814095Why is the assumption that we will be at war with BoS
>>1814121Everyone is certain. No need for more debate.
>>1814098>>1814075>>1814070So the boon for seduction won't keep them from finding out.>>1814109Either the boon could keep them from finding out now, and killing them, or be used to diplomatically convert them to our side thereafter with some results.In light of this, I'm considering switching to yes, but as it stands the BoS are decent candidates for converting so I'm keeping it at NO for now.>>1814119QM already made it.
>>1814109>>1814118They'll only get stronger in Biological research, which will only give them better lands and they can't make bad viruses since Diana, the one who'll do most of the research, will be against it, hell she might even chance sides and give us information through her channel to BigMT.
>>1814121>I will do everything it takes for me to win. >the post.Alright anon. You do you. I hope nobody changes
>>1814127Can you link it, since I'm on mobile I still need to vote
>>1814119Vote yes = killing the Reavers before they send the message to the BOS, placing mental blocks on the AI to control it and being able to make full use of the shit here including a stock of GECKs and various other such things including a automated robot factory. Which OP has confirmed will be a success with the boon.Vote no = Letting the Reavers inform the BOS about this place and essentially losing out on all of the above for no reason. Seeing as it was stated by OP that we are (in character) almost certain that this is the only way and that we can get away with this.So your choice is the moral high ground that loses us massive resources or the efficient logical choice for a leader which risks little and gains us much.
>>1814133Bud, you voted already. Unless you have someone else at home in this quest.>>1814055
>>18141051. Subdue the Reavers2. Use the Boon to implant chips into Diana's brain with surgery, bend her mind to you3. a). mutilate the bodies to make it look like an MLA atttack (Absolutely safe) b.) also mind control the Reavers (not 100% guarntee won't be found out)4. Return to the General. Inform him there was nothing but an MLA ambush based on false rumors by the Legion/MLA. Further proof can be obtained by taking pictures of the destroyed "Vault" (the burned down/blown up one) and the bodies OR mind controlled reavers. The bodies would be safer5. You are positive this will convince the General, you get your spaceship back, and for fullfilling your mission you get to trade.End result: Diana and the Nursery are yours to exploit and secure, the Brotherhood loses interest in this area, and you have a local robot factory in the region plus all the other stuff
>>1814128And if the BoS decide they want to take it anyway we cant do shit. If they honeypot her into doing anything, we cant do shit. By taking control we are literally the only ones who know of this and who have the tech. Whoever we like, we can give it to. Who we dont, wont be a problem since they have no access to it.
>>1814133>>1814109Basically, yes are stating the BoS are going to fuck us over or going to war with us, and we should sabotage them now. Using the boon will be to ensure it's done discreetly before they can discover this place. No states they aren't so we should let them beef up and use this as a sign of goodwill. Using the boon is for diplomatic conversion afterwards.>>1814136You're being a bit of a biased dick about this, anon.
>>1814144should've said a or b OP.
>>1814144Fuck I vote yes
I really doubt that GECK has nuclear power plant in it.
>>1814140I deleted that post since I think it would be a bit unfit just to vote No without knowing the yes side.That post is deleted by me, and should not be counted
>>1814144So an instant WIN for us. Basically either we:WINorLOSE but feel good about ourselvesWhy havent we done it yet??
>>1814125If everyone was certain then we wouldn't be talking right now. Hell a new voter arrived a short time ago.>>1814127I'd point out that we can convince the BOS to soften their stance without boons as well and that they are a regenerating resource. So it's not like we can't spend a general boon or two later to solve the issue after using the diplo / culture one here.>>1814132>I will do everything it takes for me to win. And I would expect the same of anyone else.
>>181403320 minutes is up. Locked for no, right QM?
>>1814144So OP I vote Yes. My old post going for No is deleted.
>>1814147>You're being a bit of a biased dick about this, anon.Actually no. Everything I said there is entirely accurate and I included everything I can remember.>>1814170We've had a few more people change votes or even join the discussion and shit, more time is required.
>>1814164Not all of us hate the other anons like you.>>1814144QM 1 ids are gonna filter in now so enjoy the yes vote winning. I will just be lurking next time, You drag this out for way to long and really need either a Twitter or discord for these types of debates.
>>1814157In Vault City(?) propaganda poster it was stated that the GECK was dismantled and used to both turn the land green and build houses with parts from the vault and the GECK, as well as use the generator in the GECK for power.
>>1814145>And if the BoS decide they want to take it anyway we cant do shit.Yes we can, we have a ship that can come here later to bring a teleporter, then we just bring in the robot army.And how the hell would the BoS honeypot her when we, with our 10 CHA failed to get just a basic trade deal?
>>1814182We can't just keep prolonging this. QM said 20 minutes, it's been 20 minutes.
>>1814182>Everything I said there is entirely accurate and I included everything I can remember.>>1814136>So your choice is the moral high ground that loses us massive resourceslol, nice bias
>>1814186Hell if Diana switches sides we can just teach her how to build some of our robots to defend herself until we can reinforce her position.
>>1813551and>>1814084basically shows the strategic side imo.
>>1814183>Not all of us hate the other anons like you.Lovely to see yet more baseless accusations and shit.>>1814188Yes we can and should. New voters have joined and details are still being discussed.>>1814190It's entirely accurate. Literally >>1814144 essentially says that we either gain massive amounts of resources from this or we go the "moral" route.
>>1814183Hmmm. I should hope people don't just change IP address purely to vote yes. I give time because some decisions do deserve rational thought and votes, especially ones that have a big impact.So yes I will lock now. Doing final tally, then update.
>>1814186The reavers got off wonderfully, by repairing and helping her. Thats 5 people. Wait unti they ship them by the dozen. We will have less and less to say with every passing day.>>1814188Getting antsy when you dont get what you want?
>>1814188Yes. Doing final tally, locking, then updating now.
You know, fuck it, I change my vote to yes. Let's be immoral assholes. Hopefully it won't bite us in the ass it will
>>1814199As opposed to people voting no? Same spiel.
>>1814199So you will lock now? Not when you said earlier you'd only give it X more minutes? Can't wait to see how many 1's are on each side.>>1814198You admitted to doing whatever it takes to win. It's not baseless, your just a blind asshole.>>1814199I can show you how easy it is and why you can't just trust 1 id's
>>1814199OP there is going to be 1 ID anons for both sides. >>1814202Thanks for linking my vote and making OP job easier. I do hope yes wins to get us the major resources
>>1814199QM don't trust the last minute 1 ip. If they weren't samefagging they would be saying other things.
>>1814198>>1814144Well no, that's the boon plan for yes. The boon plan for no is simply using it for diplomacy thereafter.>>1814203Seems like the YES winning by 2 votes, some switched.>>1814207>So you will lock now? Not when you said earlier you'd only give it X more minutes? Can't wait to see how many 1's are on each side.>>1814208>OP there is going to be 1 ID anons for both sides.About 3-4 on yes, and 2-3 on no last I checked. 1-3 post IDs that is.
>>1814201>The reavers got off wonderfully, by repairing and helping her. Thats 5 people. Wait unti they ship them by the dozen. We will have less and less to say with every passing day.Oh for fucks sake we helped too, and we can still help her.
>>1814207>You admitted to doing whatever it takes to win. Aye, let the world we build judge us and all that.>It's not baseless, your just a blind asshole.I can see quite well that my decision is logical.
Why not just put all the 1 id votes off the yes and no list, it'll prob make this smoother.
>>1814210>>1814203I agree with this anon. There is a very real risk on both sides
>>1814225yes, do that.
>>1814228Did we roll for this? Could we now if haven't?
Rolled 6 (1d100)Whelp betrayal once more wins. Good to see the whole 'American' rebuilding is actually the British Empire rebuilding.Good luck anons. I got a job to get back too
>>1814225>>1814226Don't it hurts any sorts of Lurkers or late voters and such. Just let the votes stand where they stand.
>>1814228>>1814205 changed his vote after you locked though
>>181422811 Yes vs 9 NoIf I had went with No it would have been a tie. But I feel yes plan will work.>>1814233What I know is we're using the boon for this to go right.
>>1814234>British Empire rebuildingI wish.>Good luck anons. I got a job to get back tooEnjoy work anon.
>>1814237>>1814228He already counted it.>>1814238>What I know is we're using the boon for this to go right.That's for sure.
>>1814242He counted it as a yes, if it was a no it would be a tie.
>>1814238>What I know is we're using the boon for this to go right.Certainly. It's a important thing we secure this place and that everything goes right. That way we can be certain that we can plan based off of this place being ours.We can now perform a pincer movement on the Legion and really get ready for expansion and shit. Not to mention the additional ZAX and shit.
>>1814247Yes.>>1814177>>1814228Also your vote wasn't counted, so it wins by 3 votes.
>>1814259That's good to know.>>1814255This place we're in is close to Utah. So if we expand West from here we can link up with the Mormon settlement. So this will help us have a strong hold on west Colorado and east Utah
>>1814273>This place we're in is close to Utah. So if we expand West from here we can link up with the Mormon settlement. So this will help us have a strong hold on west Colorado and east UtahYeah, now we just need a colony in Texas and we can surround and charge into the Legion.
>>1814234>>1814255>>1814273>>1814278On another note, this goes to show that bringing other faction members on anything that might be a diplomatic mission that we're attempting to assert dominance over is a terrible idea.
>>1814282I did vote we go alone(I think), i had a hunch this was gonna be something we wanted.