The tunnels of Gemini's sewers echo with the joyous songs of taidaren workers, their labors set in time to the tempo of their chants. The mass of coordination has all the hallmarks of workers within a hive as they sing praises of their matriarchs. You watch them through their eyes as the sewers become grand expressways as the matriarchs or representatives of various clans are carried on makeshift palanquins by their children and flanked by their mates and bodyguards. The underworld has been turned upside down seemingly overnight, and clans are sending representatives from across the continent to determine exactly why and how, and with luck, to get a piece of the pie and ally with the new ruling clan of the criminal underworld. Your parasites chance hands, taidaren doctors perform their crude butchery in back allies and dank basements. Your influence spreads, seemingly without end, and your eyes and ears spread far and wide across the planet into places even your flies have not thought to look before. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>1698270You feel the notice of a Distant Mind>Psionic research has received a small boost>Slip drives have a 10% chance to alert you to their usage>Current resource reservesNutrients: 28,387,150NMetals: 19,934,864MCredits: ₡602,226Credits in Lyle’s account: ₡1,175,000Active trade routes>Leeland – Lanway: HMS Orphan, Captain John Spreckels[FormOther brand Fusion Reactors]>Construction underwaymade but unpaid for[Light Fleet] x5[Heavy Fleet] x15[Ambush Fleet]x10[Fast Assault Fleet] x5>Formed fleets and ordersCitadel Hive Ship – [Awaiting orders]Small Heavy Defense Fleet [Patrolling Leeland space]25 Heavy Battle Fleet [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]5 Missile Ambush Fleet [Awaiting orders]30 Light Fleets [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]20 Light Fleets [Awaiting orders]10 Fast Assault Fleets [Awaiting orders]10 Ambush Fleet6 Carrier Battle groupsClone upkeep/special projects and expenses[Gemini] 3 Taidaren Hybrids (105)4 Human flash clone upkeep – 12018 Human hybrid clone upkeep – 540Specializations:>Tech>Engineer>Brawler[Hive space]100 Human Hybrids – 3,000Lyle Rogers – 57Jackob Eisner – 56Dillon Reager – 30Clone/project upkeep – 3,908N>IncomeMetals: 2,950,500Nutrients: 7,636,000Net: Total upkeepNutrient costs: 6,675,390(Nutrient stat + structures) * 1k * dev score + modifiers = Nutrient income total(Metal stat + structures) * dev score + modifiers = Metal income totalEspionage ActivityGemini: This planet holds an embassy, random chance to gain intelligence each day, +1 Active Operation available. This planet's population is highly irritable and aggressive to Hive influence. All failure and detection chances are increased. Increased rate of psionic resistance in the local populace. Any attempt to increase unrest will receive a bonus to success chance and increased detection rate.[Covert Infiltration] Resources: 1 sleeper cell planted in maintenance and sanitation department.>Beggars and TaidarensPath: This planet is currently under military lockdown, dramatically increasing failure and detection chances. The local population is anxious and afraid of the future due to recent events, increasing the population's psionic vulnerability to influence.Huron: This planet's condition is unknown, no monitoring effort is under way.[Maintain Concealment]
>>1698270Time to make mother happy
>>1698288Hive Territory[G-426]*Leeland (capital)N 60+40M 45Development 50Income:4.886MN162.5KMDefensive structures>Surface to Orbit Missile System: Uses long range missiles to attack enemy ships in the system (1KN, Additional costs per launch)>Anti-orbital battery grid: Directly attacks enemy ships in orbit (8KN)Military structures>Hangar facilities: Deploys atmospheric and orbital drones to intercept attackers, uses aerodynamic and fighter drone designs (4KN)>Psionic Shroud: Conceals hive activity from psionic senses (1KN)Industrial structures>Docking Pylon: (2000) (100KN)[Empty docks: 8000/8000]Economic Structures>Capillary Tower [under construction]>Smart Mines active: Calculates development stat twice for metal income>Algae Farm: +25N>Film harvester dock: +15NAsteroid mining base: 50KM per day added to nearest planet.[M-662]RalighaN 90+20M 10Development 25Income:2.75MN0MDefensive structures>Surface to Orbit Missile System (1KN)>Anti-orbital battery grid (8KN)Economic structures>Bloodroot collectors: Pipes running from Bloodroot trees extract nutrient rich sap +20N>Greystalk farms: [under construction]>Greenwall pit: Genetically engineered plant efficiently recycles waste material, Extra N income x2>Temple alter: A place for the Ralighan locals to worship and bring offerings to your hive, built in the likeness of your local fake queen, +500N per day [M-323]>Orbital docking pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 sub capitals or 1 capital ship, (50N) [Empty docks: 0/4]>Mining corvette salvage operations +2,688,000M per day (+8000M per corvette)[Farcast]Derelict Sensor arrayGlassed Hive worldN 0M 100D 10Income:0N100KM>Smart mine mantle excavation: Calculates development stat 3 times for metal incomeDeep space waystation>100 docking pylons (10KN)[Empty docks 400/400]Espionage Ruleshttps://pastebin.com/kH6fmTV6
>>1698296New Construction Options>Construction option patch notes<Buildings are now planet or system wide networks. Each building can be built once per planet unless specified otherwise.Increased yield for solar array. Increased cost and yield for electrostatic station.Docking pylons can now earn credits by selling repair services to passing non-hive ships (ships from factions with treaties will be given services for free, including Server Ships or hive vessels of subservient queens.)Weather spires now give bonuses to N score and can increase the defense of a planet.Capillary Towers now give a bonus to Dev Score.More to come, feedback more than welcome.Defensive structures>Anti-orbital battery grid – A network of anti-orbital batteries scattered across the planet, each situated in a fortified bunker complex fitted with stationary gun positions and intense hive creep fortifications. Each battery is a capital ship class particle beam capable of attacking enemy vessels in orbit of the planet, each situated in relation to the others to provide overlapping fire over any location above the planet. 8,000N 48,000M>Surface to Orbit Missile System – This massive bunker complex houses a wide range of warheads and a nigh limitless number of missiles within its protective walls, allowing you to launch missiles against approaching invaders from the safety of your hive. The facility uses the ship missile stats and comes equipped with a single Cruise missile silo that can target any detected object within the system, five Stinger missile silos capable of targeting any craft within high orbit, and ten Swarm missile silos specialized in targeting high altitude aircraft and low orbiting targets. The facility itself is a massive complex spread out over several miles, and includes guidance and launch equipment, as well as the means to construct and maintain a stock of warheads and missiles. (1500N 2500M)>Shield dome network – An overlapping network of bunkers crisscross the landscape of a planet offering emergency shelters for any local inhabitants to survive orbital attack, as well as shield emitters placed in overlapping layers set around important infrastructure and planetary installations. Like all shields, heat quickly becomes a problem as it sustains fire, as such a mixture of ventilation towers and subterranean heat sinks, turning a small facility into a massive, sprawling network of infrastructure. If the planet suffers orbital bombardment, this planetary installation will absorb all damage first. 8,600N 50,000M
>>1698305Military Structures>Military Spaceport – Extensive fortified maintenance bays and hangars are built across the surface of the planet, as well as infrastructure and manufacturing centers to support the production and maintenance of a planetary strike craft squadron. Swarmer fighters are produced at a constant rate with suitable range to intercept orbiting vessels or approaching dropships, while more advanced fighters and gunships of the most suitable design are produced and maintained for system wide defense and patrol Aerodynamic drones are also maintained in scattered hangar facilities to provide air support in the event of ground attack, and intercept enemy dropships. All craft are held in hibernation to reduce costs, allowing an entire planet's worth of strike craft to be maintained for a relative low cost. 500N 1000M>Psionic Shroud – A single building built around the shattered remains of a Void Shard, the shroud amplifies the unnatural mental silence of the broken crystal within to mask an entire planet from potential detection, preventing outside forces from easily detecting the thoughts of a hive. (2,000N 5,000M)Psionic Sensor Tower – A massive spire composed of highly psionically sensitive instruments and material focused on the detection and measurement of wide range quantum states in a vacuum directed at the space around the planet. Grants a chance to predict the arrival of ships approaching the system via certain FTL methods. The effectiveness depends on the method used and the size of the incoming fleet, granting a base chance to detect incoming Blink drive ships at 75%, Space-fold and Rip drive at 50%, Warp drive at 25%, and Flicker drive at 10%. Gatecasting ships from Hypergates and Slip drive is not effected. (20KN, 30KM)Economic Structures>Docking Pylon – A large spire or station that contains space for docking and construction of 4 ships, or a single capital ship if placed in orbit. By default is used to produce hive vessels, but can be made to offer repair services to passing ships in return for credits or other acceptable transaction fees. 100N 300M
>>1698270A full number, wooo!
>>1698315>Weather Spire network – A networked collection of spires spread across a planet capable of studying and altering a planet’s climate and atmosphere. Construction includes the building of all spires needed to function. While the spires can manipulate a planet's climate towards any desired effect, by default the spires will attempt to optimize a planet's fertility and habitability for hive life and its primary crop strains, increasing a planet's base N score by 5. Alternatively, the spires can work to create intense storms and thicken the local ionosphere, reducing N score by 5 and imparting a penalty to enemy craft within the atmosphere and blocking enemy communications to and from orbit, as well as disrupting sensors of orbiting ships. This option is not available for planets with naturally turbulent and disruptive climates. (8,000N 20,000M)>Orbital solar array – A station placed in orbit of the local star equipped with a membrane of photosynthetic cells several kilometers in diameter capable of producing a steady stream of nutrient income. Due to practical constraints of logistics, a star system can support up to five solar arrays. Must be built around a main sequence star. Provides 1500N per day total (5,000N 5,000M)>Orbital electroponic station – An orbital instillation built near a large source of hydrogen used to fuel a large fusion core, which in turn provides electrical power to a contained algae farm facility. Must be built in orbit of a gas giant. Provides +2000N per day and doubles as a gas mining facility, refueling the tritium stores of any ships in the system. The station itself can serve as the hub of a space city with additional investment. (3000M)>Algae Farm – A carved out space used to utilize Leeland’s natural electrical field to cultivate food. +100N per day, 1 worker to maintain.>Hydroponic platform – A floating greenhouse platform used to grow farmland through hydroponics that can only be built on or near water with open access to plentiful sunlight. Each greenhouse platform supports roughly one hectare and requires a single worker to tend the crop and maintain the platform. Multiple platforms can be connected together to create fields of floating farmland. +200N per day, 1 worker to maintain.>Filter towers – A large underwater pylon built to extract raw nutrients from the microbial life of the surrounding ecosystem. Can only be used on planets with bountiful biospheres and deep oceans capable of supporting large amounts of microbes. Provides between 100 and 500 N per day, depending on the local environment. (500M)
Daily reminder>Raid OQ>Read the locked memories of that thinker.>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.>Send a diplomacy team to earth.>Build that new FTL prediction building.>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
>>1698325>Capillary Tower – This massive organic space elevator offers a number of logistical and economic advantages, despite its drastic up front cost and fragile nature. Shuttles or space craft are no longer needed to move resources from the surface to orbital structures, freeing shuttles for more important tasks. The counterweight station serves as a center for construction, with 4 docking pylons included on the structure to repair and build ships, while gaining a bonus to capital ship construction time due to the speedy nature with which resources arrive from the surface. The Capillary Tower can also spread hive creep and extract resources at an increased rate, spreading roots deep into the crust to bring up resources directly into orbit, allowing you to consume a planet much more quickly than normal. A Hive ship can construct a Capillary Tower if given the time and resources to do so, deploying one after 3 full days, after which it becomes the counterweight station, and must remain stationary until it detaches and destroys the tower to move. A Hive ship deployed in this way does not have access to its spinal weapons, but can use other features as normal. A planet can hold a max of 4 Capillary Towers along its equator. For each one, planetary mining or over harvest activities are doubled and its Development score increases by 10, this bonus can surpass a planet's maximum development, and will not effect its biosphere. Upkeep is reduced by half on planets with an atmosphere. (50,000N 500,000M)
These new/revised buildings are all awesome! Thanks QD!
>>1698332Finished ResearchCybernetic memory extractionWith the continued assistance of Theseus and his extensive mechanical research systems, you feel confident in your ability to extract at least partial memory fragments from the largely cybernetic brain of the killed Smith agent. The data itself is both partially corrupted from damage and encrypted, but the process of extracting it has provided a greater understanding to the cybernetic brain, and future data extraction efforts should be made far more simple and far more rewarding in the information given.>Shield domeBy expanding the power and emitter systems of a shield's primary infrastructure and spreading it across a facility, it becomes possible to project a protective dome over ground based facilities. Due to the increase in size, the shield dome is capable of protecting against far greater amounts of damage than a typical starship shield, however like all shields, the biggest enemy is thermal energy, which will continue to build up beneath the dome for as long as it is active, cooking the inhabitants if the shield does not fail first.New Research AvailableData decryptionMedium (Very Fast with Theseus assistance)While much of the data within the Smith mind was corrupted during the experimental extraction process or the trauma of the agent's death, there is still a good deal of encrypted data still intact. The data itself could be anything, from a revolutionary discovery to the agent's personal preference in music, or anything between. There is now way to know without decryption of the data, and the total randomness of the mystery has your thinkers begging to go to work.Planetary ShieldingSlowBy adding further scale to the shield dome, it is believed that an overlapping network of shields can be expanded from a series of clustered protective areas defending a planet's critical infrastructure to a vast, near total coverage shield stretching entire continents so as to protect a planet's biosphere and widespread population in addition to its military and industrial zones.>>1698336More are on the way as well. Some are not translating well to the new system and may need more time.
>>1698341Current ResearchEmpathetic ParalysisFastIn essence an attempt to weaponize the side effect of psionic probing, empathetic paralysis uses finely tuned and precisely targeted psionic signals to effectively jam the target's somatic nervous system temporarily.Gas Giant Superstructure ConstructionMediumUsing a mixture of space station technology and modified, miniaturized capillary towers, it may be possible to create semi-permanent or fully permanent hives within the upper atmospheres of gas giants, where a mixture of atmospheric static, wind farming, and gas mining can provide a more constant and bountiful resource income while providing a more robust frame with which to construct infrastructure.Swarm Drive TuningSlowBy configuring the gravity thrusters to respond to the foils of other ships within the same formation, performance can be increased outside of a gravity well by taking advantage of a kind of gravitational slipstream created from the foil's unique gravitational effects.Gravity Thruster OptimizationMediumMiniaturization to the gravity thruster itself, as well as optimizing the layout of the foils across the hull allow for smaller strike craft sized ships to make use of the thrusters both when operating in atmosphere and when performing evasive maneuvers.Psionic Thermokinesisslow/mildly dangerousAn even more finely tuned execution of known tachyonic physics, thermokinesis is the practice of altering the energy state of atoms, but instead of altering their velocity, it utilizes a less uniform alteration to increase or decrease atomic vibration, quickly increasing or decreasing the ambient temperature of the target. It may take some time for your thinkers to successfully accomplish this feat, however, without also igniting the laboratory.
>>1698350Psionic Conductionslow/mildly dangerousWhile altering the physical nature of particles has become possible, using highly controlled tachyonic signals it may also be possible to use the projected psionic energy to subtly alter and transfer other forms of energy in a more direct process than kinetic force. Your thinkers believe it may be possible to use alternate sources of energy outside of the target and potentially use tachyonic signals in order to carry that energy to the target. The early experiments have already proven promising, however it may be some time before the thinkers are capable of producing results without causing spontaneous detonations within the laboratory.Memory SeedSlowBy creating a miniaturized and less overtly useful memory crystal similar in overall function to the white crystals used to record thought by your elders, and modifying it into a neural implant, you believe it may be possible to create a kind of constantly updating backup memory for clones, agents, and even drones that would potentially hold its information after death. The memory seed would theoretically be capable of retaining the full memories of the host individual up to and including the very moment of death, and be able to preserve those memories long after the brain itself has physically deteriorated, a process that typically drastically limits the time frame in which memories can be gathered.>Psionic SporesSlowWhile normally the hive spores used to spread infrastructure are little more than genetically engineered nanomachines, replicating and performing their function alone until their built structure is complex enough to receive mental signals, your mixture of psionic research and advancements in spore related genetic programming has made the idea of a psionically sensitive spore seem not nearly as far fetched as it once did. With a mixture of distributed networking and complex cellular reconstruction methods, it could be possible to create a spore strain that would respond to mental signals.>Advanced Psionic ImprintingSlowWith the application of psionic imprinting you are able to influence and alter the state of matter using only focused and precise mental signals. Your thinkers believe this can be taken further, using more accurate signals and more precise manipulation methods to imprint more complex thoughts and ideas more quickly and easily, and at a greater range.>Personal shieldingSlowBy further shrinking the emitters, your thinkers believe they may be able to eventually make them small enough to be equipped to the carapace of a drone, or to the surface of an armored suit. At this time it is mostly speculation and an eagerness to please mother beyond all reason, and you cannot be sure what the limitations may be, but the thinkers are sure they can do it.
>>1698315>Psionic Sensor Tower – A massive spire composed of highly psionically sensitive instruments and material focused on the detection and measurement of wide range quantum states in a vacuum directed at the space around the planet. Grants a chance to predict the arrival of ships approaching the system via certain FTL methods. The effectiveness depends on the method used and the size of the incoming fleet, granting a base chance to detect incoming Blink drive ships at 75%, Space-fold and Rip drive at 50%, Warp drive at 25%, and Flicker drive at 10%. Gatecasting ships from Hypergates and Slip drive is not effected. (20KN, 30KM)We need to build these.
>>1698305>>1698315>>1698325We should build a shield dome network, military spaceport, and psionic sensor tower on Leeland. I'm sure we have weather spires too, but I guess it's not a network. And I see the solar array got a boost in N yield.
>>1698353 Available research options>Psionic Cannon prototypeVery slow/Very dangerousDetailed accounts of several experiments show the slow progress of Project Godsplitter. The cannon itself is highly volatile, and even the smallest miscalculation often results in the destruction of the ship, as well as any nearby craft. It can only be equipped to a Hive ship's spinal mount, and requires a functional Void Shard as ammunition. At least a dozen testing sizes were atomized in testing the weapon, and in the end it appears The Gardener never quite perfected it.>Add new research>Add Psionic Cannon>Request Theseus assistance for Data Decryption>Other
>>1698315Is that per tower; i.e. can we have multiples on a planet for multiple chances of detection?Because these sound like something we really want a lot of.
>>1698350That reminds me: mom's thinker should be banned from any dangerous research.
>>1698366>Add new research>Request Theseus assistance for Data DecryptionThere is no reason not to get him involved
>>1698366>Add new research>Request Theseus assistance for Data Decryption
>>1698366I don't know if this was ever covered, but would it be possible to research the stuff we've been farming on Leeland to gain the ability to have drones directly derive nutrients from electricity?
>>1698325>Orbital electroponic stationWe must build thousands of these.
>>1698409Make sure to keep some space for the Gas Giant Superstructure.
>>1698381I've adjusted it so that all of the construction options are planet wide installations. Each one can be built once per planet unless is specifies otherwise, such as with the solar array, which is system wide, and can be built up to a set number of times, or the capillary tower which can be built four times per planet.
>>1698423I'm sure we'll be able to integrate them when the time comes.
>>1698423It's a component of that.
>>1698366Hey QD, what about the Scav Matriarch vivisection research?
>>1698366>>Add new research
>>1698270GAS THE SQUIDS NUKE THE WHALESSTAB THE MONKEYS TRUST NOTHING THE VOID IS WATCHINGAND IT'S ALREADY HERE
>>1698468IMPLANT THE PEDES
>>1698366>Add new research>Request Theseus assistance for Data Decryption>otherCan we do [covert infiltration] - our greatest ally on the CW planets our drones are currently liberating? We already have millions of drones on the planets so setting up a hidden hive should be easy. And the spike in good feeling towards the hive can easily be explained away as gratitude for us saving their asses.
>>1698474No anon. That's not how it works.
>>1698270This brings up a big matter regarding our parasite policy We need to stop spreading them to the tal so openly, by now this ruckus is now getting notice from the union black ops and raises the chance that our parasite spy program will be discovered
>Shield dome unlockedTitans with shield domes build in then when?
>>1698502Never. Drone portable shields is personal shields.
>>1698479Why not? Is there a reason we can't set up hidden hives on the chaotic planets we have millions of drones on?
>>1698502When we finish personal shielding.
>>1698474Having one drone slip away into the sewers and find a place to cocoon into an egglayer takes time and a small bit of risk, with only flies to guard its chosen hive location as it grows.It takes time to grow up to the higher passive levels, pretty sure. We could certainly start the process with a covert hive, I guess. I'm not sure if it being a warzone means detection will be less likely, or more, if they are trying to clean the place of Scavs.
>>1698507This is infiltration and espionage. If you want to risk getting caught leaving drones on the planet for such purposes then you don't realize how this works.
>>1698516We have almost unlimited military access to the planets, the CW sensor network, and troop locations. I don't think you realize how incredibly easy it would be to hide an egg layer in that situation.
>>1698270So many adoptees i'm so happy.
>>1698516This, what you are looking for is [Maintain Concealment]
>>1698484It depends. Is the greater success of the implanted tals due to the benefits of the parasites in terms of health, etc., or are they due to the hive influencing them and unnaturally coordinating their actions?If it's the former then I don't think there's a problem. If (if!) it ever comes up, we can claim that the parasites are merely beneficial and provide a competitive advantage.If it's the latter then I don't think we need to stop, we just need to scale back how much we're influencing behavior until some critical mass has been reached.
>>1698366>Add new research>Request Theseus assistance for Data DecryptionYour thinkers gleefully begin their studies as you broadcast the encryption data to Theseus. Zero-One churns with a chaos of data exchange as the topic is distributed to any instance that takes interest. You watch as your thinkers bounce ideas back and forth from the digital interfaces and you barely notice as your human made trade ship, the Orphan, emerges from warp in valen space as the minds of its crew emerge into your thoughts again. They pass by without notice until thoughts of urgent distress begin alerting you to a problem.Your clones stand in the cargo bay, the ship docked and secured to the station, as a force of security puppets and a number of human guards stand outside, all well armed. A ceph floats over to the door adorned in the uniform of a clerk, and the synthesized voice crackles through the station's intercom link with the ship."Captain John Spreckels, in light of recent activity, your trade privileges at this station have come under some scrutiny. Your presence is urgently requested by the station proprietor Elegance of Cresting Waves. Your ship and its cargo shall be impounded until further notice." Your clone hesitates to respond, his mind reaching out to you for guidance."Captain please, this is a simple clerical matter I'm sure. We just need a few moments of your time to sort this out." The clerk says as a human behind him is setting up an inflatable vacuum sealed plasma torch. He waves a tentacle at the human and he shrugs and picks the kit up again, hoisting it over to the side of the airlock door.>Have your clone open the airlock door>Speak with the clerk through the speaker>Other (write in)>>1698409>>1698423The electroponic station is essentially a space station with a tether stretching down to the upper atmosphere where a number of gas harvesters drift freely while the station itself is in space. Like other structures, it is built once per planet, but can be expanded as the hub of a space city or with the superstructure in the future.>>1698446She is still in transit and will arrive later in the day on Leeland. it's been a long and busy day, and there is much to do this day as well.
>>1698536Alright, so can we at least start building some tiny hidden hives now when the risk of detection is appropriately low?
>>1698504>>1698510I thought since Titan-kun was so big we could use a shield dome as his "personnal shield" but it's fine i can wait.
>>1698484One plus is that we should know it any time any of the parasited Taidaren is arrested or grabbed.
>>1698546>>Have your clone open the airlock door
>>1698546>an inflatable vacuum sealed plasma torch...a what?And I say open the door. Worst case we claim Hive affiliation and make it a diplomatic incident. If we're already impounded then resisting is silly. It's like being pulled over by the cop, handcuffed, and then deciding to try to put up a fight.If that happens our products should sell like hot cakes even at highly inflated prices as governments and corps. snatch them up ASAP to try and learn more about us.
>>1698546They made the obvious connection to the hive manufacturing FormOther products.Now the proprietor, who obviously outranks our old engineer contact, sees he can get some leverage and wants to push on us in secret, or conspire against the Guild of Transportation with us, or something.And of course the Valen may be able to 'hear' the hybrids' psionic brains as slightly different, though we can excuse that as an 'upgrade' as long as they don't steal blood samples.
>>1698546>Have your clone open the airlock door.
>>1698546>>Have your clone open the airlock door>>OtherI remember Elizabeth helped us negotiate with the Valen initially, would she know a ship being impounded without warning is strange?
>>1698565They didn't detect anything from our speaker until we actually shouted at them, they won't get anything off the clones either.
>>1698546>Have your clone open the airlock door>Other (write in)Ask for details, such things as why and what we are being stationed and only agreed to leave our ship with our on security crew so no missunderstanding of missing objects may happen during the time we are away from our ship. Also bring our lawyer.
>>1698546Assholes are trying for IntelThey can't be allowed in the ship but we are pretending our guys here are independent traders Other: leave the station and tell them to fuck off since we will find someone else to sell to as first negotiating tactic
>>1698573>They didn't detect anythingThey specifically thought about its muted whispers.
>>1698565Maybe since our reactor are simply "from the expanse", and weird looking, they need to make sure that the reactors aren't the sort of thing the Hive has demanded by handed over. Which would be ironic.
>>1698546>>Have your clone open the airlock door.Strongly advise they not act on any efforts to impound the ship and her cargo until after we have spoken to the proprietor. Otherwise there could be ... unforeseen consequences.
>>1698565>And of course the Valen may be able to 'hear' the hybrids' nah just make our clones chant nursery rhymes in their head. That's how the Valen ambassador's puppet protects itself from heaving his mind 'readed' by the Valen.
>>1698584>Other: leave the stationWe're docked, and they already said that we're impounded. Even if we could get the ship undocked they would likely fire on us.
>>1698584Point is we can not let the allow to blackmail us by letting them seize the ship during there info gathering We made our guy have a agressove personality during the talks so use it
>>1698599Remember, we claimed the reactors were designed from natives from a planet called "Leeland", and this was before Lee was revealed to be alive. Besides, it's pretty clear the other Valen we met was pretty freaked out by the hybrid mental signals.They'd have to be complete morons to not realize we're hive.
>>1698562A plasma torch designed for use in cutting open airlock doors without decompressing the room. It has a large inflatable tent that seals to the surface being cut, allowing the user to work without fear of accidentally leaking atmosphere. Useful when you are unsure of the status of the room you are cutting into.
>>1698611I don't think that would work given we have parasites with relays giving off conflicting signals. It could be worth a shot, but I'm hardly optimistic...
>>1698599Oh that's true and it's a far more logical possibility.
>>1698546>Speak with the clerk through the speaker"If it's a clerical error then I'll speak with that bloated whale myself. Now get your rent-a-cops away from my ship."
>>1698618If it came down to it and they ID the Clarke, I wonder what the laws about scavenging abandoned military vessels are.
>>1698586I'm pretty sure that line wasn't in reference to us, but rather it was either referring to Anton relaxing his guard or the Valen getting too loud among themselves.
>>1698584Don't we have our own hive security on the ship in the form of warrior drones and the like? If they try to impound the ship we can defend it and if it looks like we'll lose either blink a fleet in to scare the shit out of the Valen or hit the self-destruct.
>>1698638The human isn't an "it."
>>1698638My interpretation was a rebuke to Anton.>>1698626Thanks. "Inflatable" was the part that confused me. It's these details that help make this such an awesome quest. One gets the impression that everything has a ME-style codex entry behind it.
>>1698644Including drones on our secret trade ship would be retarded. we have 99 crew members of unknown augmentation to fight them off with.
>>1698654Our Queen's reply to the Captain:If you're having Customs problems I feel bad for you, son. You've got 99 crew but a drone ain't one.
>>1698644Then the Valen would sell the union information about the hive having human agents. if anything they might be trying to trace the ones that escaped Aral. Or the whales managed to vonnect one plus one about our reactor.
>>1698646Why not? Valen change sex at will, it'd be odd for them to really give a shit about Anton's reproductive organs.
>>1698663>Valen change sex at willThe Valen change their sex according to the season drone. You should stop watching Deckers Porn Parodies.
>>1698662>Or the whales managed to vonnect one plus one about our reactor.Anon, the whales have already done that.They will want to make a deal with us. I say we let them do that. They'll try to deal with us before ratting a powerful and unpredictable party out to the Union.
>>1698680>The Valen change their sex according to the season drone.Actually they use drug implants to change sex at will, before they changed sex every season and a minor few believe it is healthier to change sex like that but it's now mostly by will.
>>1698680Also according to drugs administered when away from their home planet, so pretty much at will, but this conversation is going strange places so I'll digress.
>>1698270So will we finally find out what we did with that holo-printer
>>1698546Your clone marches to the airlock with a growing air of indignation. You are certain if this proprietor is nearby, he will sense your irate clone as he pictures tossing the ceph out an airlock."Alright you wannabe rent-a-cop calamari boneless sack of shit!" The clone shouts as he opens the door and rushes out, quickly sealing it again behind him. "You want to talk, let's talk. Show me where the clerical error is and I'll show you exactly where to stick it.""Excellent." The ceph says. You are unsure if it is a well trained professionalism or if the insult just doesn't translate properly. "Please follow me.">Demand your questions be answered first (write in)>Follow the ceph clerk>Other (write in)>>1698701>>1698680You are both right, actually. They use drugs to simulate the seasonal chemical compositions of their homeworld's oceans, so they can chance at any time, but still follow seasonal trends so that their offspring can properly socialize with others its own age. It's one of the only holidays on their calendar that they allow days off.
>>1698716We made passes and credentials for our clones on Path I believe
>>1698748>>Follow the ceph clerk
>>1698748>>Follow the ceph clerkThe Ceph doesn't know shit. We need to talk to his boss and shouldn't waste time talking with the Ceph.
>>1698751You believe wrongly.
>>1698748>>Demand your questions be answered first (write in)The one we asked: what's the clerical error? As far as we're concerned they need to explain RIGHT FUCKING NOW what their excuse is for impounding our property and denying us our rights.Isn't one of the only reasons that they do this sort of thing because they believe cargo might endanger the station?
>>1698766Pretty confident there buckoeither way, it'll help our agents on Gemini out
>>1698766I'm pretty sure he was referring to our clones currently Shadow Running. And IIRC Theseus provided documents for them.
>>1698748>Follow the ceph clerk>Other (write in)Demand to leave a group of our on security to guard our ship/stuff and so avoid any mistakes during the time we are out.
>>1698820We don't need to "demand" anything. We can just have our own ship security guard our stuff
>>1698776Because you're confusing two completely unrelated things. The IDs were given by Theseus. The machine has just been completely offscreen being neither reverse-engineered or used.>>1698782Well no duh, that's why it's wrong.
>>1698858Good point. I was interpreting the statement about making passes being more like "they have those, right?" Which obviously was the wrong interpretation.
>>1698874No, he's actually correct. A bit salty, but correct.
>>1698858>>1698888Well word of God just informed me that the printer wasn't achieved in time for the Pathian agents but it will be used for printing fake ID's for future espionage actionsSo technically everyone was wrong and right at the same time
>>1698748>>Follow the ceph clerkThis is best dealt with in secret, clerk can't help us and the whole thing is probably pretense.
>>1698909Yep. The Clerk is clueless. There's almost no chance he was told what's really going on.
>>1698748Your clone moves after the ceph as it floats down the hall, shoving one of the puppets out of the way as its legs quickly scamper across the floor as it struggles to avoid falling over."What the fuck is this about? I already had a contract with one of those fat scaly bastards!" Your clone says."That contract is being renegotiated in-house. You will not need to concern yourself with the details, but the station proprietor has uncovered some minor issues with your merchandise. I am unaware of the details." The clerk says simply."Bullshit.""I assure you I am quite ignorant." The ceph says, your clone smirks."Well that much I believe. How long will this take?""As long as you make it." The clerk replies. A tentacle waves over a wall contact and a door slides open. "Please enter." the clerk says. Your clone steps into the small elevator and it quickly seals shut and jerks into motion, running up along the exterior hab ring up into the larger and rounded off valen section held far above the trade section. As the door opens, light flickers inside, and the room beyond is a dimly lit bubble of air held within a massive tank of water. You can see the surface off in the distance, where the rotation of the station has created a cylindrical tube of air within the tank of water where dozens of valen drift lazily. Large pipes run in twisting, endless spirals from the cylinder of water and out to all edges of the station while massive water pumps turn vertical tubes into aquatic elevators, sending valen all across the facility.The small room of transparasteel leads into a closed chamber set into the wall. Your clone walks up to the door and presses the contact to open it. It beeps loudly with a red light flashing as a number begins counting down. Above you, within the cylinder of water you see a massive figure lowing down on a pillar of rapidly draining water until it leads into the room on the far side of the door, and the countdown reaches zero with another beep as the light turns green and the door clicks open. It slides with a slight squeak and your clone walks forward into a large, half drained pool. Floating in the center of the pool is a massive valen, its shell coated in gold leaf decor welded into the shell in glittering spiral patterns crisscrossed with small silver plates bolted into place like fish scales.The valen groans, its jaw stretching as it extends its eye stalks from the water to see your clone, and its massive claws lash out, impacting the floor on either side as the valen sinks its massive talons into a pair of thick, rubber coated control pads. The claws tap several times, manipulating the controls until a translation protocol interface appears as a hologram between your clone and the valen showing a small window of text in the spiraling patterns of the trade language.cont.
>>1698748Hang on, if we send Spreckles after the ceph clerk, could we send a cloaked whisperer drone along with him, just in case? If we can use both memetic skin and psionic cloaking that the phantoms use, it would be next to impossible to detect without serious dedicated scanners. We wouldn't even necessarily have to reveal it to the Valen, we could just opt to have it hang back in the room the interview is happening in and passively read the whale. Or we could have it reveal itself if we wanted to show our hand.
>>1699064I wouldn't be able to both mind read and cloak itself at the same time.
Lets have "captain" Spreckles be careful to not leave behind any hair, saliva, or other DNA samples that could reveal he's a hybrid.
>>1699056"I am Elegance of Cresting Waves. I own this station. All of its inhabitants are indebted to me." It says. "Their labor is owed to me, their profit is my profit. Their leverage is my leverage, and their losses are my losses." You get the feeling this is some manner of traditional greeting than an attempt to brag, but perhaps it is a bit of both."I have come to understand one of my workers has made a deal without my knowledge, and that your merchandise is of a peculiar variety. We have received a number of requests for their sources already." The valen's talon twitches, and a number suddenly appears.Seventy thousand credits have been deposited into your account."Your due share of your first shipment. They have sold quickly, and their origin is a great curiosity with an equally great price offered for it. The parasites that beg me to take their credits for that knowledge will not have it, but you will tell me.""I already explained this to-""I am aware of what you have told my employee. You will tell it again, to me.">Write in
>>1699130Dont be a pushoverNUKE THE WHALE IN VERBAL JUDO
I'm not against telling the valen this merchandise was Hive-built, but he's going to have to offer something in return.
>>1699130They probably have no proff,dishonesty is to be expected in this culture(up to a point)and even if they have iron-clad proof,our clones can just say that they got it from an intermediary who tells them when and where to pick up the goods. Just play it cool and repeat what we said before...but word it so that if they whip out some evidence,we "technically" didnt lie.
>>1699130Inform him that if this an attempt at renegotiation or fact finding, we're not impressed, and neither will the producer of our goods be. He should already know exactly what we told his employee, and we have no intention of telling him any more.
>>1699166Why contain it? This could be a massive benefit for us if these guys knew this ship had a direct connection to the Hive.
>>1699130As I said before, the reactors are from a planet called Leeland. I think you're smart enough to understand what that means. What do you want to do now?(Be sure to give NOTHING away mentally)
>>1699130Why isn't your employee in this meeting then?I mean, did he actually tell his boss everything we told him, since apparently this is valuable data he wants us to give him for free?
Remember Valen society works through debt and gift giving, we should give him information so he owes us.
>>1699130"The origin of these goods is a trade secret. Any further inquiry into this will force us to void our agreement and acquire another vendor."
>>1699200Hm, good point, we don't need to get anything right away.
>>1699200This. The Valen operate differently than humans. Cant assume typical human motivations here.
>>1699130Wait a minute.We sold 5 reactors for 700k credits each, with a 10% commission to the Valen.If all five sold, this is an absurd mistakenly low number.Ignore his questions and focus on the price changing.>"Now with specs like this in a reactor this size, I'm gonna need them on sale at around seven hundred thousand each.">"No. You get ten, or I'll find someone else who will. Maybe that cresting waves guy, he sounds like a good businessman."
>>1699181For one,the appearance of power.Two,they benefit far more then we do,thus giving us more room to negotiate. The more we have to give them latter on(fewer middlemen),the more deals we can make with them before relations settle.Oh im sure they suspect and some probably are sure of it,but its better if they dont "figure us out" and rob us off the appearance of some powerful new player that could must be treated with caution,but full of potential gains.
>>1699200But we don't want information, and we have yet to build the required trust to start giving him potentially invaluable information without conditions.
>>1699200I think that's just being a sucker.Valen constantly scheme to give gifts on their own terms, do you think Valen negotiations are on who can get a worse deal for themselves and that's how they advance? Because everything we've seen indicates the exact opposite.
Reveal the source to this Valen in confidence. Make it clear that you are only allowing them to know due to their role in sale and distribution. If anyone learns of the source due to an intentional or unintentional leak on their part. All current and future business with this company will cease, and the products currently held by them will either be returned willingly, or seized through raids.
>>1699218Fucker shortchanged usThis means war
>>1699220Listen to this anon, this is the way to negotiate from a position of strength.
>>1699218Well then, guess it's time to nuke the whales.
>>1699220I'm not entirely sure I believe the employee actually told him everything anyway.Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters may have stonewalled his boss, and now he's exploiting his authority to get answers directly from the source.We should consult with our engineer contact first instead, since we may be being played to undermine him.>>1699130Also, none of this has fuck to do with why our ship is impounded, which is the real reason we came here!
>>1699220Supporting.>>1699218Also supporting. They can pay us the full value for the reactors, then we can talk.
>>1699130Why is my ship impounded fatass?And this is bullshit, my cut way bigger then this
>>1699130"Like I said, the reactors were made by locals in the Expanse. A planet called Leeland. Also you short-changed me for the sale. You want to know more, you're going to have to offer more in your negotiation."
>>1699259For the record: http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47517403/#47519501Literally what he said, and the Valen's just asking John to repeat it.
>>1699259>>1699268It's entirely possible Mr. Counts kept a lid on this and we're screwing the game he's playing if we share it further now.
>>1699218Supporting, don't let him control the conversation.
>>1699200>>1699216He reduced our profits from 3.15 million to 70 thousand.Valen society also works on collecting debts you're owed, and changing the rules arbitrarily to increase how much you've decided people owe you.Mindless capitulation is not how to gain leverage over them.
Didn't our Valen engennier was upset because of a unsuccessful datting contract? Who was the Valen that won it again? Might have nothing to fo with it though..
>>1699259Something like this, but angrier, could work well, make sure he understands that if word of our meeting leaks to those other "interested parties" he mentioned he would lose a tremendous future business opportunity. Working together, on the other hand, could produce immense mutual profits.
>>1699259If their espionage isn't utterly worthless, they've already pieced together that Leeland is a hive world, so that would be tantamount to admitting that they get it from the hive.If we don't want to out our guys as associating with the hive, we can just say that we've lost contact with the suppliers, with the silent implication that the hive ate them.
>>1699314I think he was the primary engineer overseer of this station. I was thinking we could get back in touch with him and hire him on as the hives first Valen agent. He's in a shitty position here he's dying to get out of, and could help us establish some real trade with Valen markets, at least better than this thieving fish would.Plus, it would finally allow us to get a biological analysis of the Valen body. We've been putting that off far too long now.
>Elegance of Cresting Waves>Tender Songs in Cresting Wavesthe last part of their names are similar but i don't know how Valen family names work.
>>1699327But we literally already told them exactly that.
>>1699252>Also, none of this has fuck to do with why our ship is impounded, which is the real reason we came here!It's a negotiating tactic.Inform the Valen that if they had a genuine concern about safety, then they should have said something before we docked.Now that we are docked, impounding our ship is an unacceptable breach of decorum. And if he does not reverse this action immediately, then other ships will come that will be willing to transport us from this station. The kind of ships that wouldn't be good for business.Just release the impound, ensure that we have the right to leave, and then we can talk business.
>>1699200No. We need to first figure out what he wants.>>1699218This. Spacewhale better have a damn good reason for doing this. Although, what thread is that from?>>1699365Probably not too connected. But maybe it's a clan or birth location thing? I doubt they're child and parent.>>1699130Re-reading this again, I think he's testing our clone. Remember that Valen can do that mind-reading thing. We should have our clone tell the same old story, and have him radiate "yeah i'm telling it good" but not otherwise reveal anything.
>>1699385We told one Valen. He didn't necessarily tell his boss.He might not have even shared the actual pricing structure with his boss, judging by this payout. We should be dealing with him directly under the table.
>>1699130"This is nowhere close to the agreed upon payment." Your clone says."No, but it is the down payments made prior to installation, minus the agreed upon minuscule commission. The rest of your three million and eighty thousand credits will be deposited after our shipyards have installed the reactors into the ships that purchased them, and after your impound status has been lifted.""Then lift it." Your clone says through his teeth. The valen lifts its claw and slams it back onto the control pad."I did not gain buoyancy last season!" The valen shouts, its massive shell's blast of sound hurting your clone's ears in the enclosed chamber. "Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters is a fool with a rented name!" You recognize the term to be a grave insult. "But few transactions occur without my knowledge. The guilds will wish to know of this. They have leveraged fleets against such actions and I will not take any such risk in my station without knowing every single detail involved.""Well I already told the last chum bucket I got the reactors in the Expanse on a world called Leeland. No matter what else you heard from your guild of assholes this deal is a monopoly right now. I'm the only one who has this stuff.""Yes, and the Expanse is sealed.""Isn't it still technically Union space?""Not in our eyes." The valen replies. "The Shadow Whisperers have taken every stone and star, and we will not leverage against them, but we will short the humans. You are a human, and you will tell me how, exactly, you received these reactors, and you will ensure me it will not bring undue risk upon us.""The shadow what?" Your clone asks. You realize, as your vast mind scours the archives of human data at your disposal, that 'Xeno Formicidae' has no translation. "Well how about you tell me why you're impounding my ship? You don't want to sell my merchandise, fine, I'll sell it somewhere else!""No. If your technology offends their decree, they will all be returned to Leeland, and you will never enter the space of the banking clans again. Before that, however, you will answer my questions. How did you obtain these reactors, how do you obtain more, by whose authority do you sell them, and why is your mind sealed to me?">write in
>>1699425The buggers didn't deal in credits, but they do deal in biological augmentation and, apparently, fusion reactors as payment.We've made our private dealings with them, I'm sure you can verify that the Orphan was duly authorized with the royalty.
>The Shadow Whisperers Eh that's a pretty alright name the Valen gave us.
>>1699425Ah, so he's unsure of what it's based on and where our clones got it, and is worried that it's something that would piss off the Hive.Looks like we made an impression on the whale-jews.
>>1699425>No. If your technology offends their decree, they will all be returned to LeelandCalled it!"I was contracted by the Hive to represent them in trade negotiations. Release my ship and cargo now or suffer the consequences. They have already been informed of your actions.Anything else is none of your business."
>>1699425Play completely and utterly dumb about the mind sealed thing.
>>1699425Our dealings have been completely condoned by local authorities. I would be happy to put you into contact with, what did you call them, "The Shadow Whisperers" if you wish to verify.If you keep poking around in business that does not concern you I can assuere you you will have no business with me or my associates in the future.
>>1699453That is immediately turning around and saying we were lying
>xeno formicidae>alien ant...how the hell does no human databank have the translation for 'xeno' nor the family name for ants on record?
>>1699425I like the tone here>>1699453Perhaps further insinuate that the reason Spreckles believes he was contracted in the first place was because the Hive wanted a no fuss means of accessing the Valen markets. If he makes a big fuss and drags this out too much, the Hive will lose interest in doing business with him.
>>1699425Above your pay grade whale You think the guilds are bad? you have no idea what deals your screwing up
>>1699425>The Shadow WhisperersAyy lmao, that's what they're calling the Hive? Fits as well as anything else I suppose."What, you're worried they've got some bugs in there? They wanted money. If you have money, I can get more. If you want a good word with the manufacturer, I can put in a good word. That's not going to happen if we're going to have a difficult time doing business here, though."
>>1699425Some story about some third party telling them when and where to pick the goods up from.We dont know who it is,just referring to himself as a "supplier".This way they cant trace the goods back to us via our clones.
He's got a damn good argument.Says he's scared of offending the Hive and is worried that these are contraband being smuggled out of or through Hive space. Now the Hive has to officially vouch for this supplier, or he has to be OK with a grey market. One of the two.We started this trade deal before we declared control of the Expanse. Maybe we should just go public with the reactors now too. If we officially control the Expanse, and there's obviously-allowed shipping coming out of the Expanse, there's no way it's not Hive-approved. I'm not sure what we gain by denying it.Here's what I think we do: We can still save the face of the clones by telling him to contact the Hive. He can verify for himself whether these goods are contraband.If he balks at contacting the Hive about it, we've called his bluff. If he does, we can approve and the humans don't look like they've even lied.
>>1699465Where is the lie?>>"Well I already told the last chum bucket I got the reactors in the Expanse on a world called Leeland. No matter what else you heard from your guild of assholes this deal is a monopoly right now. I'm the only one who has this stuff."Revealing that we have an exclusive contract is perfectly inline with what we just said. And how would we explain that:1. We have fusion reactors from the bug worldand2. We have a monopolyUnless we're working for them directly. If we got them second-hand as a middle man we would have no basis for claiming a monopoly.
>>1699472No correlation with whale tongue more likely
>>1699484That's a good point too. They haven't actually lied yet.
>>1699472Maybe it doesn't have a translation for the Valen? And since we decided to call ourself the Red Hive they didn't bother to make a translation?
>>1699485>>1699491Aaaaaaah, that makes sense. Must've misread it.
>>1699472The closest term would translate to "small biting land based creature" which looses much or all of the intended visual comparisons that the word formicidae implies to humans, which is the most immediately striking feature of the hive to them, i.e. big alien ants. By comparison, "shadow whisperer" denotes the immediately noticeable aspect of the hive to the valen, which is "I can hear whispering from millions of voices when they are close by and it feels like they are literally filled with ghosts."
>>1699481I like this; instead of answering his questions, just tell him to run it past the Hive.We (the Hive) can just say "oh, that one came from a human supplier vetted and approved by the hive, goodbye."
>>1699489Right. Worst case we jump a few small ships into the system and broadcast our displeasure about how our employees are being treated. Probably include something about how we will be certain to keep this in mind when entertaining future offers from Valen.This asshole we're talking to should shit himself at that point if he has any idea the sort of negotiations we've recently been involved in.
>>1699508Dang, we spooky. Nice to see our diplomatic efforts are being taken seriously for once.
>>1699508So what you're saying is the Valen are scared absolutely shitless by the HiveAnyone else think we can use this to our advantage?
>it feels like they are literally filled with ghosts.Dam and i though the hive was scary just for the humans.
>>1699517Obviously we can use it.The Union is pissed because they thought they were so awesome, but then we said, "Sit. That's a good boy."The Valen, if anything, were even more smug than the Union. They figured they had everything figured out, topping from the bottom, Union dying to defend them, etc., etc. Then we came along and were scary in the same way we are to the Union, but then even more so because of spooky stuff.
>>1699521Valen are at least as scared of us as the humans are. We need to show that the hive is capable of negotiation, diplomacy, and trade rather than just taking everything we want with overwhelming force.
>>1699521You know, if we never researched that "talk quietly" tech way back when, it would sound more like yelling than whispering.
>>1699425We should get our guy to say something to the effect of:"What? You think I stole these things from Leeland? I made a deal with the locals fair and square. They knew what I was gonna do with the things when I took em. Even where I was gonna take em. I told em. Hell, I even negotiated a second load of reactors out of them. Check my ship's cargo, if you don't believe me. If they didn't want me to be moving this stuff, they wouldn't have given it to me. They're even taking a pretty premium cut - 80% of our gross.""As for authority - I'm not fucking dead. If I were doing anything they didn't like, I can guarantee you I would be a corpse right now. They have more than enough guns to pull it off.""Now I'm not sure what you mean by 'mind sealing' but is that enough? Your station has nothing to fear."I guess the main points, shitty writing or not, are:>The 'Leelanders' are technologically advanced enough to produce fusion engines and weaponry sufficient to deal with the Orphan.>If they weren't cool with what was going on, the Orphan wouldn't have a second load of their reactors.>What do you mean by 'mind sealing' exactly?
>>1699538Every time they are near our drones it would be like they are hearing a very crowded street where everybody is yelling into their phone.
>>1699540This is pretty good.
>>1699540For a hivemind we suck at consensus. I'll back this just to help move it along.
>>1699540Well said anon, well said.
>>1699552I always like to think of anons disagreeing as just a debate between dozens of quasi-autistic quantum thinkers who believe their way, and only their way, is the right direction for the Hive.
>>1699568I agree entirely with the concept of debate, but it felt like we were getting nowhere near a decision, just a bunch of posts that had differing viewpoints with little common ground.
>>1699425"The hell are you talking about? Do you think I'd be here with another load of reactors if they didn't want them to get sold?" Your clone says. "I've got a contract, the only contract so far I might add, and if you want to send that kind of deal away then fine, I'll find somebody else to deal with. That's your loss, all you've done is let them know you don't like their goods. If you think I stole something, let me tell you that if I did, I would have never gotten this far, let alone gone back to get more.">Tell the valen to contact the Hive for proof>Do not>Other
>>1699508Of course, they can't possibly realize that it may be that they only hear this from moderate relay drones...Otherwise surely the hybrid's basic relay, or the relay in any of our parasites like the one in Lee, would also be just as audible, instead of "sealed".
>>1699584>>Tell the valen to contact the Hive for proof
>>1699540I'll back this just to move us towards consensus. It's well written and thought out.
>>1699584>>Do notThey'll do it on their own if they have to.if he does contact he'd have to go through the clans, and give away his exclusive lucrative deal he has here.
>>1699584>Tell the valen to contact the Hive for proof.If you want I can take you back to speak with them on my ship. Who knows, maybe you could get lucky and strike your own deal with them.
>>1699584Blink a ship or two into the system."Forgive this Speaker if words are not clear. We have heard there is some problem with a representative of ours. He should be released as he works for us."Do you have couches for trade? This Speaker has never known the sensation of sitting.
>>1699584Our guys is setting himself as a middleman right? that's his operation cover and he needs to show he independent of us So we cant have the hive come bail him out just like that, we bailing him out so easily shows he's our cats-paw too early
>>1699584>Tell the valen to contact the Hive for proofOur embassies are next door so it'd be very easy to do
>>1699584>Do notBecause this here>>1699594
>>1699584>Do notIf they contact the Hive, tell them that there is an approved human supplier who creates reactors like the ones in question
>>1699611Valen aren't a hivemind. If this guy weights the risk and reward, with our assurance, that this is legit, he may not want to spread around news of this deal and gain himself rivals trying to home in on his now-valuable turf.
>>1699584>Do not>But offer to bring some token of 'yes my supplier is okay with what i'm doing' with the cargo next time - something custom-made using the same manufacturing techniques used for the fusion reactors. to prove he's not bullshitting and has good standing with the supplier. (we may, as a token of trust, let him keep our money frozen while we do this - we just expect our shit to get sold and add more cash to the pile)May also be worth mentioning, if the Valen Bossman reveals he doesn't give a shit if the goods are stolen, that the 'Leelanders' did mention forbidden technology. But fusion reactors aren't forbidden technology (our clone can say that he was told as much), otherwise they'd probably be pissy about everyone and everything.
>>1699620>Valen aren't a hivemindOf course they aren't. Did I imply they were?That's likely the fastest way for a Valen to contact the Hive outside of whatever Q-Comm Capt John has on the Orphan
>>1699633Relatively speaking. It's still not necessarily 'easy' to appeal to the clans, and then go through more and more middlemen until your message reaches the Valen ambassador to humanity, who then goes through the human representative, who only then can go next door.They've got an elaborate clan bureaucracy to go through, and every Valen in between with their own self-interested agenda.
>>1699607Part of the point is that every time we've openly jumped ships into a system it's caused panic. Merchant vessels flee, everything gets locked down. Sometimes there are riots.Tossing some ships on their doorstep would screw with this guy's business. Hard.Anything else that's weird that might crop up the Valen in general would probably be far more hesitant to question it. It gets them walking on egg shells.
>>1699622This might work well.
>>1699644Yeah, and it could also mean war. And the couch meme is really tiring when its not used on scavs
>>1699644The problem is that you are sending in hive ships without having a good excuse, how would the hive ships have know the Orphan was impounded?
>>1699644Why the hell would we know anything about what's going on there?That would raise so many questions for no appreciable purpose.
>>1699584Voting for >>1699622
>>1699655One or two small ships shouldn't start a war. I didn't suggest a fleet. Right now they've detained the captain and the Orphan and are trying to use that as leverage. We would be applying counter-leverage.Your second point is well taken.>>1699667>>1699674Maybe our ship used a q-comm to alert them? It's sort of a thing. The entire crew would have heard that we were impounded.
>>1699682>Maybe our ship used a q-comm to alert them? It's sort of a thing. The entire crew would have heard that we were impounded.That raises the question of why the fuck the crew called the hive without the Captains permission.
>>1699622As much as I would like to bully this asshole, I'm backing this option.
>>1699667Hmm, we could offer to jump Hive ships in to verify our claim. We could say if we go back to the ship we can easily contact the hive and get them to bring in a "small" fleet to confirm the statement. It'll be amazing how quickly the Valen backs off at that point since a "small" hive fleet jumping on could ruin his business.
>>1699696This makes more sense.
>>1699692Use your imagination, perhaps.The captain could have told someone to before he got off of the ship.
>>1699701>The captain could have told someone to before he got off of the ship.Then why the fuck didn't the Captain call the hive earlier? Why go to the valen then have the crew member call the hive?
>>1699701Or we could skip the contrived bullshit and just not do that.
>>1699696Supporting. This is us, in essence, calling their bluff but still giving the Valen a way to back out somewhat gracefully.
>>1699732Sure, why not.I figured this would be minor after we jumped a hiveship into the high atmosphere over the Union capital with some adjacent fleets, but apparently not.Or when we sent a bunch of ships to every Expanse system.Let's go with this, since we're suddenly so concerned about aliens saving face.
>>1699622This is a good idea.
They fell off the back of a truck.
>>1699584>>Do notThe entire point of using Spreckles is to access the grey market.
>>1699763We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
>>1699584"Look, you don't have to worry about a damn thing, alright? Not only is this tech not on the banned list, they made it specifically for me to sell. Now I've got no idea what you're talking about bullshit about minds, but you need to calm the fuck down and put some respect into those head-trumpets of yours.""And if the guilds learn of my trading, and they will, these reactors are sold on the open market, they will leverage their fleets against me and demand to know their source. If you can assuage the Shadow Whisperers, how will I assuage the banking clans?""You're a smart cookie, I'm sure you'll figure something out. Tell you what, if you're really so concerned, how about you place an order. Any kind of custom made trinket built in the same style as the reactors. Something cheap but elaborate enough to be obvious, and I'll bring it back with me on my next trip just for you. Either way, I'm betting you want to keep those banking clan higher ups out of this as long as possible, and trust me, I'd like to get them involved, it becomes a seller's market that way, but I'm trying to keep this subtle for at least until the Expanse nonsense dies down and the Union calms their shit down, so for now, I'm looking for an exclusive contract. Is that you, Counts in swamps or whatever, or should I just find a new merchant entirely?" The valen shifts in its pool, sending waves splashing along either side."This is worth considering...""You're goddamn right it is! You shit!" Your clone spits, muttering to himself as he paces with anger. "Fuckin impound my ship... impound it right up your ass more like it...fuckin over sized nob-faced squiggle-eyed saw-toothed...""I will release your ship. You will return with an ornamental shell-glave in the south-shallows reverse-grip style." The valen says. "However, the guilds do not allow much to pass beneath their notice. To hide this from them would be levering myself beyond my security, but to contact them freely would be a gift of good faith. I will give you some time, but when our current customers depart, I will have no choice but to alert the clan authorities.""So can I go then?" Your clone asks."Yes. Unload your cargo. Quickly, and do not speak with anyone on this station. This must remain inside until I gift the news to my elders and not before.""Well what about that counting fella? He knows about it.""Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters shall be dealt with accordingly. His secrets will go unremembered, and uncounted. Now go, before questions are asked by others of our meeting." The door to the chamber opens with another squeak of waterlogged joints, and another countdown appears over the translation readout as water begins to pour in through pipes along the walls. Your clone quickly exits as the pool begins to overflow, sending the valen back up the aquatic elevator, and your clone quickly returns to the Orphan.cont.
>>1699787Oh yeah?!Yeah...okay, I fold.
>>1699782that's a shame, I liked Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters, he/she was a cool guy/gal
>>1699782>Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters shall be dealt with accordingly. His secrets will go unremembered, and uncounted.Damn.
>>1699802Yeah, easy to bully.
>>1699782Man, Spreckles is great. And maybe we should go offer Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters before he gets thrown out an airlock. He could be a useful asset to us and whatever this whale has in mind for him would be waste.
>>1699782>His secrets will go unremembered, and uncounted.
>>1699809He/she/it was so professional and polite.What about that guy with the fusion torch thingy? I feel we need to ask for his "not remembering" as well.
>>1699802>>1699804>>1699809Then let's invite him to join the hive, we could finally dissect a Valen at the very least.
>>1699812He's being burned, he's becoming useless as we speak as he loses his last bit of power.
>>1699817We might unlock the clone specialization "acting like a fucking adult."
>>1699815>What about that guy with the fusion torch thingy? I feel we need to ask for his "not remembering" as well.He was a lacky. All he knew was that he had a job.
>>1699825How is that not true for the Ceph that was just thrown under the glass-bottomed bus?(Thrown into the propellers? I'm not sure how it would translate for them.)
>>1699817Can't get a Valen off the station without anyone noticing.I'm not even sure if the human-intended ship docks can even fit a Valen.They probably have separate docks for giant valen ships for loading valen in and out of the water areas that we aren't usually going to use.
>>1699822>he's becoming useless as we speak as he loses his last bit of power.These people aren't Marvel superheroes man, theirs are natural abilities, not some sort of power that can be used up like a fuel. And it's not like that would be anything we couldn't fix anyway.>>1699835We fit a carnataur in the ship.
>>1699842I think what he's trying to say is that the cover is blown. I'm not agreeing, just trying to help interpret.
>>1699835We just need to can him, and pretend we are shipping off with a few crates of tuna.
>>1699852That much is obvious, what does that have to do with Deep Waters?
>>1699852>>1699859Oh, as in political power, right, right. Well, I don't see how that would affect his vivisection much.
>>1699856If we need to, we can just make a public statement saying we would like to expand our outreach to the Valen and that the first one to show up at the embassy to negotiate will receive exceptionally favorable business terms. The Valen are not of one mind and I'm certain there will be at least one with more greed than sense who will show up.I'd prefer to do that secretly, but we don't need to shadowrun absolutely everything if there's a relatively straightforward way to go about things.
>>1698341We should see about a thermal energy feedable anti orbital weapon of some form. Cover the weakness of the shield dome with something that can make use of the problem.
>>1699864Honestly, if his bosses are as pissed at him as I think they are, we can just tell them that our employers mentioned they were hoping to acquire a Valen, living or dead, for vivisection (they will have probably noticed how we've been buying exotic wildlife left right and center). They'll probably ship him out with us laughing at how they got rid of him.
>>1699864Valen showing up at our embassy is technically possible, but rather difficult for them. It could be interpreted as a "fuck you" move. I'm not against it, it's worth considering. But screwing with one Valen is one thing, while this could be interpreted as an insult to all of them collectively.And they already had a diplomatic meeting with us. It might seem backwards if we suddenly announce "Hey, anyone who might wish to now meet with us...screw you guys who came early."
>>1699885then we invite him into the family right? We should have a finger in every pie; a family member in every race.I mean after studying his biology fully of course.
>>1699856You think that kidnapping the single most important Valen on the station would somehow not result in a lockdown and thorough search?
>>1699895It was a joke.
>>1699893Hell yea. I figure any time we want to conduct serious communication with another species it would be wise to adopt at least one member of their race. That goes double for a creature with such a complex psyche like the Valen.
>>1699893We got three very usefull black op agents and a ceph with two taiderians with the deal. We also have a Queen of Blades expy. That Valen doesnt bring anything unique to the table. Maybe if a Valen with radical new ideas(or one with super Space Jew autism super powers) appeared,then I would want to nab him.
>>1699893But of course. What kind of monsters do you take us for?>>1699895He's talking about us taking Counts and Remembers Secrets (the poor engineer Valen we talked to the first time) with us. Since the Valen on the station want to get rid of him anyway this is a possibility he was proposing. I'm not necessarily supporting that position, just clarifying it.
>>1699900You mean you intended it as a joke.Spoiler: jokes are funny
>>1699817Please. When they're alive, it's a vivisection.
>>1699895If Dark Waters seeks asylum with the Hive and we agree, Cresting Waves will have no choice but to accept it.Frankly, it's not a bad choice, all things considered.
>>1699919I think you're just upset you took someone talking about canning an alien and calling it tuna seriously.
>>1699933He is apparently not that good of a buisnesswhale,so the only use would be for vivisection/disection. Im sure we can stumble upon a better candidate.
>>1699933Ah, yes "asylum"This isn't actually a bad move. The difficult part will be convincing him to come with us and that the alternative is death without coming across as backstabbing the other Valen (we aren't betraying him, but she could see it that way).
>>1699905>He's talking about us taking Counts and Remembers SecretsThat would make way more sense, and actually be workable.Anon already contradicted this and said it was a "joke", but I like your plan.We already know there might be some mating rivalry going on (though the big guy might not really consider the welp competition).We already have some clue that Valen are willing to sell lesser races to pay off debts (the con artist's backstory), but I'm not sure if we have any idea whether that concept extends to other Valen.>>1699933So then the question would be whether we make him an offer, or if we demand that he be handed over.
>>1699944Valen backstab each other every day anon, she wouldn't take it personally.
>>1699950Good point. I suppose we can make a token effort to be subtle, then, but don't need to worry overmuch about atmospherics.
>>1699941The only thing that offends me about canned tuna is that it doesn't contain more dolphin.
>>1699947But why though? We get nothing out of it except a bad buisnessman and his body.
>>1699965we get a valen mouthpiece and puppet, I mean new family member.
>>1699947One of them wound up dead in that lab we found Lee in, so I assume they are perfectly willing to throw their outcastes under an alien bus.
>>1699933No it is bad ideaGiven a fall guy needed to take the blame for creating this situation and it cant be our man or this head whale who wants to keep his hand clean of making the deal in the first place sacrifice the weakest link which is the engineer to the guilds
>>1699965And Lee was a shitty spaceman until we picked him up, and now look at him.
Multiple parasites for a Valen? Or just one medium sized one?
>>1699973Establishing hive space as refugee zone from the banking clans will make allot of valen take the gamble to move there.May not get many good buisness men to begin with, but that'll change.Its not really a priority for us, but having valen subjects who are there willingly will make it politically harder to deal with us for the normal valen society.
>>1699984No it wouldn't We dont use credits or there Machiavellian social ladder which the whales live for given there natureRight now head whale problem is that his underling fucked him over in a deal that the whales above him may punish him for given whats going onHe needs to show that he was innocent of the deal and that the underling has been dealt with and that shadows aren't going to go on a rampage through whale space which is solved by the trinket
>>1699965We haven't obtained a Valen before. It's one of the few races we haven't gotten our juicy thinker bits into.We might have had a chance getting one from a "Unity raid" much earlier, but having revealed ourselves it's almost certainly too late for that.Even a low-level one should be able to give us a wealth of cultural and historical information after we dump the brain in a tank. Remember how useful that lone Scav brain was during the fighting?And we have no idea what sort of tech it might give us access to. I'd guess not too much, but there might be some small yet critical piece of the puzzle in there. Maybe their reading ability would allow us to tweak what we can already do "just so" and make it less damaging and obvious, for example.
>>1699782Your clone makes it back to the ship as the rest of the cargo is unloaded. Automated loaders haul the crates of cargo out from the bay as the crew micromanage every detail, rushing the job along so as to avoid any undue attention, and in time, the docking clamps are released and the ship departs once more.Elsewhere, The Hel's Angel slowly lowers itself into the outstretched docking armatures of the Hive's hangar, delicately touching down amid a swarming chaos of perfectly coordinated workers as they move a seemingly endless supply of resources back and forth. Lyle examines the minor damage along his cybernetics, scraping at the armor plating with his chitinous fingers."Alright. Restock and repair what we need, and we'll be dealing with the rest of these goons." Lyle says. "Sooner that meathead is off my ship the better.""Aw, you don't mean that." Jackob says. "You have so much in common.""The guy's a jacked up muscle head with no personality and a stick up his ass." Lyle says."Yes, my point exactly." Jackob replies. Lyle spits out several curses under his breath."Ah fuck you ya cunt." He says back. "How long's it been since I had a proper beer? We need to get ourselves to proper civilization.""I assume by 'civilization' you mean a place with a bar that doesn't have a camera system or a bank ID monitor that also hasn't individually banned you personally." Dillon says. Now, no offense, but I think that list is getting short." Lyle is about to say something back when a soft clang echoes from the med bay down the hall. Lyle snaps his attention to the side, quickly accounting for both the twins as Dillon looks back at him."That fucker better not break out of the goddamn pod or so help me I'll chuck him into the nearest fuckin' star!" Lyle shouts as he rushes the med bay just as the door opens and a figure stumbles out.cont.
>>1699944What betrayal would there be?A human made an agreement that he'll pass on to the Hive, and the Hive would modify it to its liking. Counts and Remembers ends up both alive and out of Cresting Waves' metaphorical hair, and the Hive gets a valen to work on.>>1699965We get knowledge of Valen society and biology right from the source without having to shadowrun the infestation of a Valen, which is already a pretty good reason. And who knows, he might go the way of Lee and become unexpectedly useful in the future.>>1699973Everything is being swept under the carpet, so no fall guy should be needed.Cresting Waves just needs Dark Waters out of the picture so he can't disrupt the cushy deal that was cut with our clones.
>>1699999Kids are home from their field trip!Also,amazing quints.
>>1700000Depends if guilds spies know it was Waters that made the deal, And let face, the guild does have the info gathering capability to find out and the reason to given the risk that the deal may involve stolen hive goods and pissing us offHe may need to show the corpse or waters alive to give to the higher ups to show punishment been dealt with and situation is not doomsday
>>1699999Why'd Lyle bring them to Leeland? I thought we returning them to the Union, not kidnapping them.
>>1699834Counts is a Valen, not a Ceph lacky.
>>1700007Or the guy who runs the station just says, "He wanted to go with them. I swear. And hey, look, lucrative trade deal!"And the guild doesn't care about a relative nobody, shrugs, and goes back to what they were doing.
>>1700015He needs to deliver the hacker to us first.
>>1700020Yep, we get the hacker and the face. And we need to decide what to do with the rest of the spooks since releasing them back to the Union in the current climate could be a disaster.
>>1700018No they will, Everyone is scared shitless of us and of risking a hive invasion so they will demand every loose end dealt in, and the whale who made the deal just leaving is not going to flyThey will want either him alive or dead and his corpse mounted on a platter to make sure this doesn't fuck them over when they talk to us again
>>1700007It's possible, but this is getting into the realm of speculation.We can at least propose it, and if he refuses we can decide then whether or not to press the point based on his explanation.
>>1700028then we just clone him and send them a corpse.
>>1700027But we planned to release them, why the fuck did we go through all the trouble to get them from the valen if not to set them free?
>>1700028Okay, good point.We could try to pull another Lee using the guy.>>1700027>Yep, we get the hacker and the facepic related
>>1700035Huh, and when there spies find out that our guy transferred a whale corpse back to head whale that not going to raise even more alerts?Cause once the head whale alerts them they will have watchers on what goes out an on our agents ship in every whale port Would rather not open that can of worms bout why did the hive send a whale corpse back with a "independent merchant"
>>1700015Restock and repair, duh.We just have to decide if Deckard's claim is the best place to drop them off or what.
>>1700046then they would not ask for the body back to begin with, or we would not allow it. I was not suggesting it as what we do just saying that were we put into the situation you suggested that we would have an easy out.
>>1700050I just realized, how the hell is the mercenary lie going to be believable when we deliver the guys using Lyle's ship which is well known?
Could just claim we kept him in indentured servitude to pay off his debts to us, this is valen afterall.
>>1700055How is he in debt to us?
>>1700046I think you're overstating the reach of valen spies.Clearly Cresting Waves is capable of silencing a valen and destroying evidence to the point that such information does not reach his superiors. This is literally his current plan for ensuring the deal we negotiated isn't endangered by Dark Waters.
>>1700058impose a "fine" or other bullshit and claim minor foul play.Just because its not true doesnt mean we cant make use of it.
>>1700042>why the fuck did we go through all the trouble to get them from the valen if not to set them free
>>1699999Lyle dives at the door frame, tackling the figure and pinning him to the wall as his arm blades unsheathe, the edge held delicately against the throat as Anderson leans back into the wall."How the hell you get out of the goddamn tank?" Lyle says."Easy with the merchandise. I only just got it installed." Anderson says calmly. His jawline snaps back with a soft crack as it suddenly recedes several centimeters away from the blade. "And to answer your question, we came to an amicable arrangement. One I am quite certain you are familiar with, although I'm sure it required much more effort before you were housebroken." He says. Lyle examines him, squinting, as if searching for some hidden tell on his perfectly calm expression, before the parasite within the two of them detect each other in a mental greeting, signaling their presence to one anothers' hosts, and Lyle drops him to the floor."Thanks for the warm welcome into the family." Anderson says as he rubs his neck. "Remind me to get a casserole next time.""Is that the smooth talker fellow?" Jackob asks as the other two walk into the med bay."Yea." Dillon says. "Little shit, that's him." Anderson stands back on his feet as he looks around the room with feigned indignation."Well, so far I feel like I received better treatment when we were enemies.""Oh fuck off and just tell us where the hive want's us to drop you off. We got a full haul of cunts just like ya to get rid of, we may as well start the bus tour with you." Lyle says. Anderson adjusts his color with a quick flick of his fingers."Don't know yet. I hope it's somewhere with a good climate. Something temperate and mild. A Geminise country side, or the steppes east of the northern Rhinelands. Though I don't think there's much on Aral of great importance." Lyle rolls his eyes nearly half way through Anderson's reply and makes to leave."Let us know when you find out. Till then avoid the acid vats. Or don't, I'm good either way." He says as he makes his way back to the cargo ramp. The other two follow behind as Anderson stands alone in the medbay, save the other dormant passengers wounded or kept sedated.It is indeed a good question. What will you send Anderson to do, as well as the rest, Devon, Decker, and the Cortez crew?>Write in
>>1700060You can't tell a lie, they would find out immediately.
>>1700052That aint an easy outThere risk, stupid risk and just plain stupidAnd it is plain stupid to try to get this whale that is implicated in this situation and using our agent to grab it when we can buy a random whale corpse on the black market that didn't have any connection to this situation or our agent That the whole point isn't of setting up rogue traders, to act as fronts to gain intel and things we can grab openly No point compromising our first agent just to grab a this guy when its cleaner just to let his boss deal with him and take the heat >>1700059No your underestimating them, they are competent, all the factions got capable spy programs and can find out if they put in enough effortAnd whale mo is that they will sell info to save there skin and gain, he will need something to bargain with while also profiting of this deal he just took with us
>>1700063Anderson should coach Lee.
>>1700068that wasn't the point, at all. My point was if we were to get the whale and they were to ask for his corpse back, that in that unique situation we could easily just send back a clone instead. I am for adding him to the family but I am not at this time arguing that point.
>>1700065We literally just got accused of having a closed mind human talking to the wale. We can totally tell a lie. Just mentally hum loud enough when you do it.
>>1700063Send them back to union space to gather intel for us Anderson to act as a rogue trader if we can get him a ship or on a station Decker can join random criminal groups or join back union intelligenceAnd the rest of them go back to the union spy agencies to gather more intel Devon with the inner council
>>1700079No you fucking can't, the whale would interrogate the other whale about his dept to us and discover we lied which gets us in trouble.
>>1700081If we're sending them back how are we fixing this issue >>1700054
>>1700063Don't we have an underwater secret hive on a planet? Let's send him there to scout, learn, and help grow
>>1700054Simple, we wipe their memories first. They already knew Lyle was behind this, but we don't have to advertise his connection to the hive.
>>1700085Man its like you dont have any imagination.
>>1700086Have unity provide a ship or use rogue trader ship to do it in non whale port Or just a human style ship right now to deliver it, we need more rogue traders anyway
>>1700090The Cortez crew isn't the problem, the problem is that any planet we send these guys too will film the Angel and then the Union discovers the hive busted them out.
>>1700092Build a human style ship, we got the Calderon and can ask for plans from unity o have unity build a ship we can crew with drones
>>1700090He extracted Lee. Let's just assume people know.
>>1700063Remove their memories of the events and their parasites, excluding Decker and Anderson of course. Send the rest of them back to Gemini after their parasites have been taken out. It's not like we've got any use for them, and that Mauser will never willingly serve us. Might as well get rid of them safely now.
>>1700091Gimme me a good excuse to get the valen then cause to me you are the guy with no imagination.>>1700092Ok this is a good plan.
>>1700063Have Anderson go to Bedrock and start talking up the Hive generally and getting a feel for how people in the Expanse feel about us and how we can best assuage their fears.Have Decker go to Path to monitor the developing situation there and help us make technical inroads in the government and corporate systems on the planet.Cortez Crew we might want to talk to to see how they would react to recent events and the prospect of working for the Hive, but ultimately that's not of critical importance. Unfortunately, they are too compromised to remain hive agents. Once all useful intelligence is extracted they should be placed on a Union planet (the specific one doesn't really matter as long as it isn't an active conflict zone) with their memories mostly wiped. >>1700072No need for that to be in person.
>>1700063Anderson, you will go deep undercover... in Space Florida. Find out the deal with this Unicyclist Church and the Pastor on Talgo.
>>1700098I was just throwing ideas to get him out, not the why.Stick in the mud.
>>1700097>Send the rest of them back to Gemini after their parasites have been taken out.>It's not like we've got any use for them, and that Mauser will never willingly serve us. Might as well get rid of them safely now.Getting rid of them safely means killing them.And we should easily be able to convert Mauser.>>1700103>No need for that to be in person.True. I just figured it would actually work better in person, demonstrating tells, facial expressions, that sort of thing.I got the feeling that we're trying to hive-mind-screw Lee as little as possible.>>1700104That actually sounds like a solid plan. We still need to confirm that there is no connection between this religious stuff and the crystals.
>>1700063Devon, for saving him and more importantly Coco from the flames Decker will gratefully try and help you salvage what disgrace remains of your mission by dropping you and your crew off unharmed on Deckard's claim, I guess, where you can try and crawl back to your bosses.Decker, first we'll scan and study your brain modifications and implants to see if we can learn anything there to research, then you can get to go undercover on Mentan. Universities have research databases to crack right?
>>1700063Get a human ship from Theseus, send Anderson to Space Florida to investigate the Unicyclist pastor, don't know about the Decker but the rest of the crew should be mindwiped, de-parasited(Excluding Devon) and delivered to Bedrock.
>>1700107I'll stop being a stick in the mud when you start throwing out good ideas.
>>1700112Our adoptees tend to be move valuble with their origonal personalities intact.Different perspectives and all that, which is where our civ falls down a little on.
>>1700115Sending Decker to mentan is smart, add to >>1700116
>>1700116>the rest of the crew should be mindwiped, de-parasited(Excluding Devon) and delivered to BedrockBut why? If we have them at the very least we can dump them in tanks, or parasite the rest, and have access to their minds as reference material.What possible motivation do we have for returning Killinger's cut-rate Shadow Running team?
>>1700116>but the rest of the crew should be mindwiped, de-parasited(Excluding Devon)You sure about that? The Union knows that the Cluster can perfectly imitate a person and their memories in a matter of minutes. Devon was in the custody of Hive agents for hours and since then everything he has been even partially involved with has gone completely to shit. He'll be scanned like nobody's business once/if he gets back to Union space.
Just put the crew in r n r.Maybe see if we can hive up a decent bar.
>>1700063Decker may need a bit of a facelift first regardless.
>>1700128>If we have them at the very least we can dump them in tanks, or parasite the rest, and have access to their minds as reference material.I said De-parasited.>What possible motivation do we have for returning Killinger's cut-rate Shadow Running team?We went in to free the crew so we could have Devon go back to spying on Killinger.>>1700128>>1700129Are any of you even the anons who wanted to free the crew from the Valen.
>>1700143Way back then we didn't know shit about the Cluster. Now that their mind-reading and shape-shifting abilities have been revealed to the Union and the Hive claims to have similar tech the game has changed dramatically. Unfortunately we can't return them now without facing unreasonable risk.
>>1700149God dammit, now we have another Hope crew.
>>1700063Changing my vote from>>1700103to>>1700104>>1700115>>1700144Investigating Mentan and the potential incipient Void cult are extremely good uses of these agents.
>>1700063Alright, let's see if we can sort this one out.>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>Send Decker to Bedrock>Other>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>Other (write in)>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's Claim>Other
>>1700104>>1700115Supporting this too, make sure to use a human ship other than the Angel.
>>1700160>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's Claim
>>1700160>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's Claim (remove ALL parasites first)
>>1700160>>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's ClaimBe sure to get Mother some souvenirs from Space Disney Land Anderson.
>>1700160>>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's Claim
>>1700160>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's ClaimLyle and friends can be on leave for the time being.
>>1700143I had no problem with "freeing" them from the Valen, but I don't see why we would hand them back now.And if we remove the parasites, Devon would be worthless to us.
>>1700160>Send Decker to Mentan to crack into research archives>Send Anderson to Talgo to investigate the religious movement>Drop Devon and the crew off on Decker's ClaimAnd finally>Remove all parasites from the crew>Remove all parasites from the crew except Devon>Remove some of the parasites (write in)>Keep all parasites>Other
>>1700175>I had no problem with "freeing" them from the ValenYou should, why the hell did we bother freeing them if we aren't sending them back to the Union?
>>1700185>>Keep all parasitesWe can have parasites detach themselves, heal the wounds in their spines, and self-destruct after putting out enough medical paste to heal the damage at any time anyway. Let's see how they get reassigned.
>>1700185>Remove some of the parasitesRemove from the no name characters and from the mauserHe a drop trooper and union going to go over his medical status with a freaking toothbrush
>>1700194Are we sure about that? It seems like he'd only get scrutiny on his internal organs when he's having new augments installed, which seems like it would be rare.
>>1700185QD, if the parasites do a selective self-destruct like >>1700191 wants would it be possible to remove all evidence of the parasite's presence? Would something still be revealed under a detailed medical scan?
>>1700191But the memory of the parasite ripping their back open and vomiting healing salve everywhere wouldn't be mindwiped.
>>1700199Isn't it common for Union troops to remove their augs once they get back home?
>>1700199Yes, he position as a drop trooper means they would monitor his medicals always and they have his medical history in depth and on file at hand With that and his cybers he the worst person to leave a para in given the level of paranoia the union spies are at
>>1700202What do you mean? As in the parasite detach itself from the spine and pose as a kidney or something to pass inspection, or are you asking if the parasite can self-destruct without harming the host?
>>1700185>Remove all parasites from the crewI guarantee anybody who's been in contact with the Hive will be intensely scrutinized medically both out of curiosity and concern for anything that the hive did to them that might pose a threat to the Union.
>>1700211Agreed, we should definitely remove from him. Frankly, I am leaning towards removing from everyone, I'm just waiting on QD to confirm whether we can do a self-destruct in a limited manner if we're worried about being detected that won't leave a big gaping hole or super-reconstructive nanobots in the person for the Union to look into.
>>1700216Basically, if we see that the Cortez crew are going to be put through a detailed medical scan I'm wondering if we can safely self-destruct the parasites at that point without leaving any evidence they previously existed in their hosts. Does that make sense?
>>1700185>>Remove all parasites from the crew except DevonWe are wiping their memories too right?
>>1700216>As in the parasite detach itself from the spine and pose as a kidney or something to pass inspectionOh right, we can do that can't we?
>>1700194>no name charactersYou must be new. There is no other explanation for this insult you bring against QDThere is no such thing as a no name character in this quest. QD wouldn't have them be a part of the plot this involved without giving each one their own backstories, quirks and motivations.
>>1700185>>Remove all parasites from the crew except Devon
>>1700207You mean when they retire, from service, to a civilian life, after years and years.
>>1700203They can't remember something if they're in a coma in the shower the whole time.
>>1700224Ah. Well I would ask for a roll, but so long as you have a decent amount of time to prepare you would have a decent chance of being able to have the parasite remove itself without permanently harming the host or leaving any evidence behind, as any remains would be absorbed by the host body. It would be quite painful, however, like a bad ulcer or expired gas station sushi.As for the parasite hiding in the body, it can pose as an organ rather well, although its proximity to the spine limits its efforts somewhat, which is why a highly detailed scan will detect it. If it were to unplug from the host nervous system, however, it would be able to improve its disguise by taking on the place of a kidney, for example, and be able to pass a higher level of scrutiny, however it would have no control over its host, or have any ability to use the host's senses for the duration, essentially making the host a sleeper agent.
>>1700211Where was that established exactly? While it makes sense I don't remember where anything said that they get deep MRI scans on the regular.
>>1700240No i am pretty sure they remove their augs as soon as they get back home, not when they retire.>>1700247>They can't remember something if they're in a coma in the shower the whole time.Oh right we can have the parasite drug them.Supporting >>1700191
>>1700231Yeah, we sure did learn a ton about that ceph just now. Pull your cronyism out of your ass and take a good hard look, 'cause it's shit and you're spewing it everywhere. Not every character needs, or should have, details befitting a full character.
>>1700268Isn't the Cortez captain the brother of the Mirage captain? The one who was in charge while crashed in Leeland?Pretty sure that ain't a no name character.
>>1700261When they leave the military and end their tour of duty.Regardless, removing augments you already have is voluntary, and we'd be in control of whether he'd take that elective surgery at all even if we did have him leave.
>>1700185>>1700253In that case (and I really hope I don't regret this), I'd vote for removing parasites from everyone but Devon and replacing one of Devon's kidneys with a parasite. That way even if we have to self-destruct the one on the spine we can still have him as a sleeper agent due to the one on the kidney. Even without senses the one disguised as a kidney can pump out pain-relief drugs when the other one disintegrates so there's no physical tell Devon would give away that something is happening.
>>1700276Mate i am definitely sure people remove augs as soon as they can because there's a stigma on them.
>>1700253So risky and a fail roll can cause a mini crisis given we would try to do damage control >>1700258Its cause he has the following about him : augs to use a mech suit that moniters his vitals constantly Is a black ops asset Has a detailed medical history We saw valen tech was good enough to discover decker para and the union aren't going to use cheap shit for agents or expensive drop troopers And the clustered showed the union how power biotech can do>>1700231Go name and give the backstories of the Elizabeth crew members we handed over earlier
>>1700268You dense fucker, we're talking about the crew of the Cortez, characters that have been involved in the plot.You know damn well I wasn't talking about the ceph, you chucklefuck>>1700283and you're just as bad
>>1700278Why not just remove the Kidney, keep one parasite on Devon then have the parasite take the place of the Kidney when we have confirmed he will be scanned? After we ask when and how log the scan will be of course.
>>1700282Well yeah, lots of people do, augments are "blue collar," but not everyone does.
>>1700289Ah your full of it and dont like being called out k
>>1700291I'd be fine with that too. Actually, in hindsight it's probably better. We can still track his location with a parasite inside even if we can't use his senses, so we should be able to follow with a fly/clone and/or see when he is in an area where he could be scanned.I'll vote for moving his parasite to a kidney, then, and praying to Mother that the intensive scans the Union subjects him to doesn't reveal our little-buddy. We'll still be able to read his memories when we reconnect.
>>1700185So in light of >>1700253just so I don't have to sort out everyone's changed votes and accidentally miscount everything.>Remove all parasites from the crew>Remove all parasites from the crew except Devon>Keep all parasites>Other
>>1700304Move the parasite to a kidney after we learn he's getting scanned.
>>1700308>Remove all parasites from the crew except Devon,
>>1700304We might at least need to keep people spine-parasited enough to keep all their stories about their rescue straight. We don't want "suspicious gaps in memory" like with the Hope crew.>>1700308>>Keep all parasites
>>1700308>Remove all parasites from the crew except DevonAnd remove on of his kidneys too.
>>1700308>>Remove all parasites from the crew except DevonRemove one of his kidneys so our parasite can easily take its place if we discover he is about to be scanned.
>>1700314They don't need gaps in their memory except for those 2 who has a fly dig into their backs, just have the 2 tell they passed out for some reason and the crew tell their tale of valen captivity up to the moment they were knocked out by sleeping gas in the merc's ship.
>>1700308>Remove all parasites from the crew except DevonThe kidney plan will be considered the default plan to avoid detection for your parasites. Even when attached to the spine they can pose as a kidney, although on very close examination it may appear to have a tumorous growth (which is the head of the parasite reaching over to the spine) while a detached parasite will seem far more like a normal healthy kidney/liver/whatever organ it is mimicking.I think that's it for tonight story-wise, although I would like to take advantage of the back end of the thread to address any questions, issues, or feedback for the new construction and espionage systems, as well as any construction you may wish to vote on.
>>1700332GG and thanks for runningIt was awesome
>>1700332Build the 5 Orbital solar arrays and the Psionic Sensor Tower.
>>1700332Thanks for running as always.How do you plan on deciding which places we will establish hidden hives and use the espionage options on? Will you call votes on that as part of regular quest running, or will we have to propose something and get a following before a vote is called?
>>1700332Is there a guideline for how long it takes to ramp up to each new passive behavior in the Espionage crunch system?And how would the system model slowly infiltrating specific targets like the local PDF(or from there, the secret service equivalent), or a database raid like what's happening with Senticom and will probably happen on Mentan.I imagine playing six degrees of separation, starting with parasiting the neighbors of the housekeepers of the night guard of the local chapter.
>>1700332The hive on Bedrock counts as a hidden hive correct?Also how hard would it be to get some hidden hives on some of the Commonwealth worlds we're involved with defending against the Scavs?
>>1700332Thanks for the terrific run man, it's always a blast.Supporting this as well>>1700340Also build a shield dome network on Leeland
>>1700332What about an Espionage Action for spawning a new hive?It would take a handful of clones and nutrients and whatever credits to arrange fake IDs/ civilian transport to a yet-uninfiltrated planet to found a new hive.
>>1700361Shield dome on Leeland and Rhaliga please.
>>1700340>>1700361For anyone who's interested the cost of these proposed builds is as follows.5 Orbital solar arrays: 25KN 25KMPsionic Sensor Tower: 20KN, 30KMShield dome network: 8.6KN 50KMTotal Cost: 53.6KN 105KMGod it feels good to crunch numbers again.
>>1700375Would that screw up the environment though? I'd hate to do anything that messes with the Gardener's legacy or the future of the Ralighans themselves.
>>1700349Well if I see people talking about a target I'll call a vote, otherwise it's up to you to deploy a hidden hive on a target world and what to set them at. For the initial update, I just pre-set them at a level that relates to what you have been doing with them manually up until now, and please feel free to recommend new Actions or Operations if you find anything missing.>>1700350It will tend to depend entirely on the planet itself and the modifiers therein, but on average, it may take a few days for a hive to climb the ladder from one level to another, and the higher the level the longer it will take. Lower populations take less time, so space cities can be infiltrated much faster, but tend to be harder to initially infiltrate. If you have control of a planet's shipping or smuggling sectors, you can simply ship agents to such a location in order to start an espionage hive.>>1700358Yes, it does, I just forgot to list it because I'm a dummy. As for the Commonwealth, it would be very easy to start one with hive drones everywhere and nobody noticing or paying any mind, but it may become much more difficult after combat when the cleanup begins as the populace starts sweeping through the war torn cities to begin repairs. You have no real way of knowing what these planets' baselines are outside of a full invasion.
>>1700380>You have no real way of knowing what these planets' baselines are outside of a full invasion.Wonder if that could be solved by taking a few rapidly-spoiling heads of locals the Scavs killed and checking their memories.
>>1700379The OQ already orbitally bombarded it once. We probably want a few shields at least around our surface to orbit cannons and primary hive clusters.
>>17003325 Orbital solar arrays: 25KN 25KMPsionic Sensor Tower: 20KN, 30KMShield dome network: 8.6KN 50KM>Build all>Build only the arrays>Build none>Other>>1700382Regardless, it would be a simple matter to start one under the cover of combat, and if it becomes too risky for your taste you can order it to burn off its networks and self destruct.
>>1700388>>Build allDid we learn anything interesting from the Matriarch yet?
>>1700388>Build allWe need it more than we need the resources. Sooner or later something is going to hit us so we need the defenses, and the sooner we build the solar arrays the sooner we'll make back the investment.
>>1700388Wait why would we ever build solar arrays when we can build much more productive Orbital electroponic stations.Replace the 5 solar arrays with 8 electroponic stations. 24kM cost, but +16000N instead.
>>1700389Still napping on the bus to Leeland so no.
>>1700395I thought she had already arrived due to our instant FTL. No? Oh well. Soon.
>>1700388>Build all5 Orbital solar arrays: 25KN 25KMPsionic Sensor Tower: 20KN, 30KMShield dome network: 8.6KN 50KMTotal Cost: 53.6KN 105KMYou can also build 1 electroponics station per hydrogen gas giant (the hot gas giant, while bountiful in hydrogen, does not count due to being eternally on fire). Each station will hold options for future expansion with tech upgrades. If you'd like to build some, let me know what planets you would like to begin harvesting.
>>1700399How many gas giants are in the Expanse and are not actively being used in Union operation?
>>1700399Then we need to add an electroponics station to the nameless gas giant by Leeland. We've been neglecting that a while it seems like, we don't have one yet do we.If we wanted to freak out humans even more we could start to build one at Calpamos right now but nah.
>>1700399And right you mean after Gas Giant Superstructure Construction is finished, and unlocks expansions beyond that.>>1700402There's really just the one. When we take Reprieve from the OQ there's another one there.
>>1700403We've constructed a bunch of individual electroponic stations in orbit of the nameless gas giant before, but that was just before a hiatus so it may have been left out.
>>1674718>Hive Queen Quest 63.8>>1698270>Hive Queen Quest 64Uh...wait a minute.The thread before these was>>1654506>Hive Queen Quest 64.7
>>1700414Clearly a typo. lets hope 64 doesnt run up to 7 parts
>>1700411Oh so those just don't appear in the new planetary income system revamp, since he only just re-statted hydroponics now, so they're not in the copypasta under Economic Structures for Leeland.
>>1700417Yep. But typos happen. QD is way, way better than most about them.I do hope this isn't another 7-parter, though.
>>1700411Most likely, both hiatuses snuk up on me rather suddenly so I lost quite a bit of notes in both. In that case, I'll just add in a station to the gas giant by Leeland at no cost to make up for it.Well shit. Archived it with the right number at least.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest
>>1700425>I'll just add in a station to the gas giant by Leeland at no cost to make up for it.Cheers, QD.
>>1700417It's clearly a contagious self-perpetuating typo since it happened twice.>>1700425>smash Vote button>Thread not found!
>>1700425No worries QDHave some good sleep and rest up
>>1700430Well it's only fair. I figure either you already paid for it, or either my computer or my heart exploded, depending on which hiatus it was, and I never added it up. Either way my bad so no sense in you taking the cost.>>1700431Yea, first I accidentally had the .8 thread go back a number, then today I checked the last thread, saw 63 and went from there. My bad, but at least the archives are numbered properly and the archives that don't get their own titles just sort by post date, so hopefully it won't cause too much confusion.
Thanks for running QD>>1700431>Thread not found!This happens if you usehttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Questuse this instead:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest
QD will there be a mid week thread?
>>1700448Id tell you to stop asking, but I think theres a possibility, just because the facility break in isnt over.
>>1700457>Id tell you to stop asking.I haven't asked in a long damn while.
Why return them? We could just replecant them and send the pod people back. No need for parasite, mentally connected to us already. Then we can keep the parasited milk-run team to ourselves.
>>1700460I'm pretty sure we can't connect to clones without parasites.
>>1700463Im not sure. Older threads mentioned Clones, Replicants, Chimera, and HybridsAnd i cant find the Orphan vatgrown crew being parasited
>>1700472That's because every one of our clones has a parasite as a matter of course. Without them they're physically indistinguishable from natural humans, and thus simply lack the relays or organs needed to send and receive psionic signals. Our chimeras and hybrids, on the other hand, come out of the medi pod with those bits installed.
>>1700399Hey, I just realized we finally knocked an item off our threadly reminder to-do-list>>1698331Sweet.
>>1700472Replicants = Normal clones no different from their original speciesHybrids = the clone is equal in appareance to his race but it doesn't need a symbiot to be connected with the hive mindChimera = Seems like a aberration from the clones race having distincted hive traces. Can't pass as one of it's original race, but it has hive strength and is connected to the hive mind.
>>1698341>however like all shields, the biggest enemy is thermal energy, which will continue to build up beneath the dome for as long as it is active, cooking the inhabitants if the shield does not fail first.conduction m8, this applies to starships but there's no reason for it to be a problem when you can conduct heat away into the ground below you
>>1700683That could solve the problem, but it still sound more like a possible upgrade for the shield dome.
>>1700732an upgrade would be building cooling rods way down into the earth, but even just the fact that the facility is in contact with the ground mostly invalidates the overheating problem, i.e. there would likely be no overheating unless something is creating a lot of extra heat insidefact is that shields causing overheating problems is fluffed heavily towards starships where it makes perfect sense, but that just breaks both ways if you try to apply it to ground based shields
>>1700736Maybe he meant that a thermic bolt such as blasters would still cook the air inside the dome?
>>1700736Facilities on the ground would have less of an initial issue with thermals, but dirt is a poor thermal conductor; without dedicated cooling facilities, the ground wouldn't take enough heat quick enough to make a long term difference.
>>1700808>dirt is a poor thermal conductorit's infinitely better than radiating into vacuum, and that's how the ships cool down in spaceso yeah, it would make that much difference if you think about it
>>1700736Well, leaving the ground unshielded to cool off that way also allows the shield to be bypassed via burrowing.So it'd probably be better to only leave a few places on the ground open and run giant heatsinks into the ground through them.
>>1700836sure, i guess
>>1700448A midweek thread would be great this week was a bit on the short side but the most important thing is that QD doesn't burn out. It'd be great if he could get another thread in, but there certainly shouldn't be any serious pressure in that regard.
>>1700813You'd think a super advanced alien hive mind could figure out a way to turn heat into energy.
>>1701276you can't turn heat itself into energy, you get energy out of heat gradientsthis isn't really the issue that causes overheating though
>>1700683The primary limiting factor of a ship's shields are the maximum level of heat it can store. The limit for shield domes is the maximum amount of heat it can vent vs the amount of space available for ventilation systems.The majority of the shield dome's facilities is, in fact, ventilation systems, which results in them taking up far more space than they otherwise would, however when taking fire from high yield orbital weapons, they can still struggle to keep up with the level of heat being pumped into the shield emitters. It's essentially a bilge system for heat, and the question goes from how much you can hold before cooking yourself and becomes how fast you can dump it vs how fast the enemy can impart it. This is one of the main reasons why a shield dome is far more durable than a ship's shields, that plus the additional space for shock absorbers to protect against kinetic weapons.
>>1701457Well QD has spoken.
>>1701457So you're saying we should immediately begin scouring the universe for more advanced cooling technology.
>>1701487You already have laser cooling systems, it's just that a nuke or a relativistic projectile will impart more heat more quickly than any cooling system could ever manage to deal with indefinitely, although it will last far longer than any starship's shields would.
>>1701503Obviously we need to develop dimensional shunt technology and just remove the heat from the equation entirely by dumping it into sub-space.
>>1701557Well yeah, obviously. There is no other place on the internet that so quickly convinced me of how not smart I am.
>>1701557You could always hook the cooling system up to one of your void shards.
>>1701557>>1701633Didn't the old hives try to use a supernova against the enemy? Massive amounts of heat might actually be viable here if that worked.
>>1701566Don't despair, I'm not smart either.Also, that's pretty much how 40k Void Shields work, they take the energy from strikes on the shield and dump it into the Warp.
>>1701557>>1701633Do you want Void demons?Cause this is how youget Void demons
>>1701633Oh QD! Just realized a research you forgot now that Decker is on Leeland>Coco the Shadehound geneticsNow we can start cloning and selling them as loyal guarddogs, each one with its own built in designer organs (parasite) for a healthy pupAlso what did Anderson give us for Clone Templates? I'm guessing Anderson gave a bonus to the Tech and Mauser a bonus to the Brawler
>>1701633Technically speaking, don't we already go into a higher dimensional space when we use FTL? At least one of the Non-Void driven FTL methods has to use some principles of higher dimensions, even space folding would use some, and those would be viable waste-dumps for excess heat.
>>1701694Decker is a tech, just a better tech, so your current tech specialization has been buffed. Same for brawler and engineer (from Calhoun) as the crew of the cortez were hand picked for their fields of expertise. Anderson has unlocked the Spin Doctor specialization, weaponing charisma and deception to weave a tapestry of half-truths, outright lies, and subtle implications that make telling the truth a matter of a lack of imagination.
>>1701503Couldnt we dump the heat out through a teleport gate?No, seriously: we hook up the shield system to pump its heated water into a teleport to an ice world, and teleport ice water back in, like a two valve system.If the teleportation process retains relative heat, and H2O is such a simple molecule that it should be easy to mass transport.We just turn our heat cooling system into a planets oceans.
>>1701633If it makes a planet technically invulnerable, I'd vote for it. Although this does make me recall our idea early in the quest to cloak an entire planet, making it invisible...
>>1701739You still have the matter of essentially being in a race to dump heat faster than the enemy can impart it.This mechanic is essentially a fluff explanation for why you can't just put up a shield and disregard the attacking enemy forever. An orbital bombardment as it is would still take quite some time to break through a shield dome, days if they don't have any capital class bombardment weapons or cruise sized nukes.
Would it be theoretically possible to specialize the Scavenger's skip-drive technology to "Phase" the heat built up in our systems to the outside of our ship? A form of passive venting that obsoletes active cooling vents perhaps.
>>1701739Mind this will probably not solve the problem of oversaturation of heat in a large initial volley. For that we should look into some kind of massive heat sink support structure probably involving some of the chemicals humans use in commercial fridge cooling systems, which would require some unique biology solutions to store and use without everything going boom or corriding into slurry and poisoning everyone.
>>1701749You gave us a problem and all the sci-fi shenanigans we could ask for, it was obvious it would lead to us attempting to fuck science into breaking the system.
>>1701749I am just having fun trying to explore solutions. My ice world idea has one massive flaw: What do you do to protect said ice world? Its a key initial strike point once identified. But yeah, i imagine the final stage shield tech will be such shenanigins instead of breaking the system
>>1701754I know and I love it, don't stop, I get a lot of the ideas for research unlocks that way.
>>1701763I am totally waiting for the day we go space gungan and have shield generator umbrella ships that bubble the entire fleet. So much what the fuck is that thing? is going to be glorious.
Actually, wouldn't it theoretically be possible to turn the inevitable heat build up on our ships into a tactical advantage? We use almost entirely biological technology, our FTL systems functions off of NUTRIENTS and raw energy even.I wonder if it would be possible to funnel energetic build up into what amounts as a free tactical FTL jump, or even potentially a suicide bomb if the ship suffers such a massive overload, jump as close as it can from the siphoned energy and let the dampeners fail.
>>1701763And we love you for it.
>>1701763Round hole, square peg. One way another that peg is fitting inside that fucking hole, even if we have to go into non-euclidean geometry and fuck reality as we know it in order to do so.
>>1701774Well we were researching using tachyons to generate heat at a point. We could theoretically invert that to use heat to generate tachyons to use as a mini warp jump of some kind, to power special weapons or to cut down on recharge time between jumps.
>>1701774You can extract energy from a temperature change. That is, in the process of making something hotter you can also make it do work (eg spin a turbine or push an object). However, you can't do that if there's no temperature difference. The issue with starships is that they get too hot everywhere, not that there's a single pocket of hot and the rest is fine. Mind, there's certainly potential, but it'd take specialized systems that would likely not be worth it outside specialized roles such as "wall ship" that we don't have currently.
>>1701781Or, we could possibly create a form of specialized brain-add on for our ships and fleet to use pyro / dynakinesis to manage such things. A ship suffers from heat-build up? It's specialized psychic brain laughs as it dominates the energy in question and uses it to fire mind-bullets of burning hate at it's enemies.
>>1701781>We could theoretically invert that to use heat to generate tachyons to use as a mini warp jump of some kind, to power special weapons or to cut down on recharge time between jumps.Not necessarily. Many processes are irreversible in practice. You can't, for example, take a bunch of ash and thermal energy and smoke and turn it into a piece of unburnt wood.
>>1701781To note with special weapons:We have the tech to create rifts that a ship can bring other ships along with it.Shrink that down, stick the course in a loop via two of them, power it with a rail gun like assembly and charge up a shots speed for as long as you can keep the rift portals fueled to fire a kinetic round at a significant fraction of the speed of light.Essentially an infinate length rail gun fitted into the size of a normal one, probably if it was the size of a spinal mount.>>1701789You can take ash, sunlight, air and water and grow more wood. Just is not a direct path.
>>1701795>You can take ash, sunlight, air and water and grow more wood. Just is not a direct path.That involves outside elements, the sunlight, air, water, and new seed/tree. The point was that even if you take everything that results from a process, you can't always reverse the process.
>>1701799Not until we have a true molecular furnace, no.
>>1701804Even then you'd have to input energy to the system for many cases. Entropy is a bitch.
>>1701818I wonder if we'll ever reach the levels of Psionic required to perform true extropy?
>>1701826Like QD said, we can use Void Shards as a sink, or roughly the equivalent would be a black hole.Actually, I think the reason conventional weapons have no effect on the Void is because they have extremely strong shielding with all the stress being sunk into their black hole, so their shields never run out. Their whole deal probably has a lot to do with the interplay between a black hole (that has infinity time) and psionic tachyons (which have no time).
>>1701633AYYLet's do it.
>>1701633Its a trapThat will somehow move the main story forward like the psi cannon
>>1701984Now you're just being paranoid. Re-read the sections of the quest that mention the void shards and psionic cannons, it doesn't quite work like that. The psionic cannons work by somehow drawing or amplifying the psionic abilities of the hive or it's queen, and in doing so somehow give the void gods the leverage needed to directly strike back at them. Similarly using the void shards to observe something elsewhere in space can backfire and allow the void to become aware of the hive. But the void gods can't do anything to us unless we use the void shards to do a roughly comparable action first. Using void shards as heat sinks fall under neither category and so should be essentially harmless to us, at least if we use them with enough precautions.
>>1702050>Using void shards ... should be essentially harmless to us if we use them with enough precautions.Famous last words. This is like the Union thinking they had enough security to deal with the "dead" "drones" at the Cluster lab. We don't know what we don't know here, and that makes any kind of use of the shards extremely dangerous.While it's possible, maybe even likely, that the Void shards will perfectly absorb heat we won't know for sure and the results could be catastrophic if we miscalculate. I think we can maybe do some experiments with using Void shards as shield absorbers in extremely isolated facilities far, far away from Leeland. But honestly any experiments should be done out of our sight (possibly by asking Theseus to conduct the research) or the risk that it could provoke an OQ attack or worse due to the Void watching us currently is unacceptably high.
>>1702132Well, it goes without saying that any experiment involving void shards should be performed as far away from any sort of key hive infrastructure under the greatest possible security. But what we're discussing here isn't actively 'using' a void shard like we would in the firing sequence of a psionic cannon. Theoretically this is even less involved than using one as a crystal ball, since that involves extending our psionic awareness through sub-space and into the void god's domain. No, what we're talking about is simply funneling absurd amounts of thermal energy into a void shard. There wouldn't be any extending any aspect of our own psionic being into the void god's domain, just a natural phenomenon of the physical universe (heat energy). There needn't be anything that would allow the void gods to trace that back to us theoretically. Although again, we would of course have to test this theory in the most stringent possible ways before we could afford to integrate a void shard into Leeland's planetary shield network.
>>1702253My main concern is that the Nowhere incident essentially consisted of dumping absurd amounts of power into a void shard, and allowed the opening of a portal for Void incursion and infection.Heat buildup from weapons fire doesn't sound as dangerous, massive, or directed as five power taps all carefully focused on the shard, but it still might have effects in the same direction.
>>1702657to be fair, that whole deal was set up by someone who was basically writing Ayn Rand's spooknomicon
>>1702657>>1702253Sounds simple enough, you could just hook up the cooling laser system to beam the heat into the void shard. Maybe have a worker push it on into the beam in a little cart.
>>1703115Maybe ... maybe this is a bad idea ... to be fair, we could probably put up a hell of a fight against the Combine. Maybe there's a safer way we can utilize the heat released from shield networks? Perhaps we could create a "deflector shield" type system that redirects energy from blasts rather than absorbing it. They would probably be less stable than standard shields, but could allow incoming attacks to be refocused against nearby enemies or to provide a boost for onboard weapons/engine systems for a short period of time.
I'm confused. Why did we give them back, exactly?
>>1703115Told ya its a trapQD is devious
>>1703115But what if we used a White Shard? :V
>>1703115I have always wanted to visit Xen
>>1703381Give back? Not sure what you're talking about.
Daily reminder aside, what are people hoping we’re actually going to accomplish “today”My primary goals:>Escape from the research facility on Path.>Inform the Union of OQ spores growing on Path>“Rescue” Cluster from the Union Lab>Begin diplomacy with the Cluster on Djinn>Talk with our daughter the Scarred Queen (she should be finished healing today)>Finish up game night with Lee and friends>Take 2 on diplomacy with the Valen. This time we can be nicer.Secondary objectives:>Scav stomping>Deploying Decker, Anderson, Devon, etc. >Complaining to the Union about Void research>Watching Union/CW battles and diplomacy with CW>Acting to boost PR in the Union political debate.
>>1704990I don't think we can explicitly complain about Void research AND boost our PR with the Union. They'd know the raid was from us otherwise.But we could start warning about the Void and mention that it was the primary cause of the disaster at Nowhere to make them start reconsidering and opening up to us, who are more experienced about this, about their research.
>>1705071I was thinking more a public PR boost in line with the interview we gave, while in private giving slightly more explicit threats/chastisements about Void research without explicitly telling them we were behind the break in.
>>1703381>>1704353Guessing they mean the crew of the Cortezwhich I have no idea, wasn't around for that vote
>>1703381>>1705203I think we concluded that the chance of detection was small enough (especially if the parasite detached from the spine to pose as a kidney during the scan) that it was worth the risk of discovery for us to continue to have eyes on the Union inner-circle.Hopefully the Union is in such panicked chaos and is so desperate for agents with a high security clearance they won't look too closely at the operations Devon has been involved with before or consider the implications of him briefly being a captive of Hive agents way back when we hit the lab on Gemini
>>1705081Don't talk about the Void.
>>1705330I didn't want to talk about the Void so much as telling the Union (again) that they shouldn't even look at shards and to emphasize again how critical it is that everything be turned over to us.Both the PR boost and chastising are minor goals, though. We have more important things to do today and we should consider them only once more primary objectives are accomplished.
>>1703115I wondered if we could just achieve a better heat dissipation efficiency in shielding by applying a cooling laser system through chimney flute tunnels, which are just byways for multiple lasers to travel through already supercooled air from surrounding coolant pipes with outlet air vents plumbing it away however many miles, though this is only two steps up from what we have as a method now and is specific to shielding.Though my limited understanding of thermal dynamics achieved through two hours of google and some fudging with out hive tech says it would take acres of underground construction to add only minutes if we're getting nuked, and it's got a hard threshold for ineffectiveness once the cycled coolant warms up too much, and for fun even with an assumed non-finite source to cycle it still wouldn't take enough heat out fast enough to offset more than an hour. Not to speak of the infrastructure changes and how it would need to be universal or cored to specific facilities (the largest) to have any blanket effectiveness, making it's cost scale and multiply with every structure that has shielding.IE, we'd need a better coolant/sink to make the idea viable without taking up too much room/cost/time/reorganization. So we do have at least one method to add a nonsense amount of minutes, if we somehow feel like we want to get an enemy to waste a couple more nukes before we retaliate. Or those resources could be spent on patrol ships or high orbit planetary defenses, which makes more sense.So if we wanted, we can whole hog a not insignificant percentage of a planets crust into laser coolant chimney flutes to make a single structure no-sell about two weeks worth of on-the-minute nukes with our current technology.Probably not worth it. Probably.
>>1705544Well your answer might be found in a neutron star since neutronium should have ridiculous energy storage capacity.
>>1705615Neutron Reactor! And here I was thinking of upgrading Fusion Reactors to Quasar.
>>1705615>Well your answer might be found in a neutron star since neutronium should have ridiculous energy storage capacity.It would also violently disintegrate into alpha radiation under anything remotely resembling normal conditions.
>>1705663Oh I've got a solution for that!Once filled, instantly dump it into the planets core. When the next is filled also dump it into the planets core.It's the perfect once and for all solution.
>>1705722Not sure it would work like that laddy... maybe don't put energy overloaded neutronium in the core of a planet we're LIVING ON!?
>>1705751What if we use teleporters to beam the neurotonium out into space? Possibly in the middle of the attacking fleet?
>>1705751I'm sure it's fine. I haven't done any calculations and what we don't know can't hurt us so it balances out 50/50, perfectly reasonable.>>1705768Sounds legit. Let's do it.
>>1701697You want to use Theseus's space-folding tech or Heretic's rip-drive tech ON a planet we want to keep?
>>1705794I was speaking about Fleet engagements.A planet already has enough natural potential for heat sinks, up to just replacing the entirety of the crust as a giant ultra-efficient heatsink array.
>>1705397Dude, even HINTING at the void could start disaster. If we're talking to the Union public every single scrap of information we pass on is going to be reinterpreted in every possible way. In our last interview we told the entire population of the Union that the void shards are the path to some sort of super technology they aren't even ready to handle. Do you really think that will dissuade them from handling them? I guarantee you it will do exactly the opposite.
>>1705958Dude, I didn't say anything about telling the Union public (which I agree would be incredibly stupid). I think you're misinterpreting my proposal. I think we should tell the Union council that we will not play any games with regards to the Void Shards and that attempting in any way whatsoever to lie to us about them, mislead us, or otherwise try to half-ass a turn over of the artifacts will result in war. The danger comes from us specifying this is one area we will refuse completely to fuck around, not from us advertising that the Void shards can be used to make a planet cracker. Apologies if that was not clear.Even so, I think this should be relatively low priority compared to everything else on our to do list and we probably won't even get to it "today"
>>1704990If we're going to break this down into quest sessions I'd go withNext session (Path shenanigans)>Escape from the research facility on Path.>Inform the Union of OQ spores growing on Path>“Rescue” Cluster from the Union LabIn two weeks (Diplomacy and ancient history)>Begin diplomacy with the Cluster on Djinn>Talk with our daughter the Scarred Queen In three weeks (Gemini and politics)>Finish up game night with Lee and friends>Take 2 on diplomacy with the Valen.That way we can finish a day in less than a month real time and keep the quest from getting too bogged down. We could even potentially pack the rest of the day into two games if we keep up a good clip and leave the Valen stuff out. (We do really need to talk to the Valen to convince them we aren't just going to blindly take everything and that it's possible to trade with us to mutual benefit, but that can wait until tomorrow if needed). In that case the runs might be:Next session (Path Shenanigans)>Escape from the research facility on Path.>Inform the Union of OQ spores growing on Path>“Rescue” Cluster from the Union LabIn two weeks (Diplomacy and personal relationships)>Begin diplomacy with the Cluster on Djinn>Talk with our daughter the Scarred Queen >Finish up game night with Lee and friends
>>1706963I would veto actually informing the Union of the OQ spores on Path. Instead, let's selectively send our flies out to plant them around the facility we just broke into. There wouldn't be anyway to trace it back to us, since there is no way for the Union to distinguish between our drones and the OQ's. It would be the perfect pretext for 'quarantining' the Senticom building during our cleanup operations and breaking in at our leisure the proper way, the Hive way. We could take our time uncovering every secret it holds, and maybe even introducing ourselves to Dr. Adam Smith. I bet he'd be interested to learn about Theseus and Heretic at the very least. Plus, it would give us the perfect justification for launching a raid on Tadega and retrieve their last remaining void shard before they can do something incredibly stupid with it. Again. We can't just go and do it right now because it would show we were in bed with Kent and our agent's identities.
>>1707054>I would veto actually informing the Union of the OQ spores on Path.Are you vetoing telling the Union the exact locations where the creep is growing or vetoing telling the Union about the creep at all?
>>1707090Vetoing telling them at all, just yet at least. Right now the infection is limited to drains and tunnels deep within Path, so it hasn't yet had a chance to do any real damage. Once we alert them to what's going on, they will immediately clamp down on it making moving or seeding the creep much more difficult for us. Since it's still in a very early stage of infection the damage and chaos it can cause is limited, we would need it to advance further before we could justify containing entire blocks of their mega cities, which we would have to do if we wanted to forcibly breaching the Senticom building.
>>1707054>I would veto actually informing the Union of the OQ spores on Path.The longer we hold off on telling them about the spores the deeper the OQ's creep will get its roots into Path. Spore pods can be programmed to build not just infrastructure, but drones and advanced relays as well. And we did have a critical failure on our detection. There is a non-zero chance that if we delay too long the OQ could gather a lot of human tech to reverse engineer, which would amount to a disaster at least as bad as Nowhere.I'm pretty sure "Adam Smith" is just a "typical" Union Smith. I could be wrong here (and we'll probably figure out more next session), but he's likely programmed to be incapable of betraying the Union like the other Smith we studied was. As for Tadega and raiding it for the shard - we've already demanded the Union hand over all their shards. If they refuse or try to lie we will probably declare war. The Union understands this. If we can show we're useful and have the potential to be good partners (such as by helping out with Cluster and warning them about the Spores on Path) the Union will be much less likely to do something stupid with the Void shard than if they consider us an impossible enemy who will almost certainly invade them and against whom the Void is the only possible defense.
>>1707130>Vetoing telling them at all, just yet at least.I'm pretty sure we can't do that, they specifically mentioned to us that they had taken OQ salvage to Path, if we delay to long and they find the creep themselves we will look very bad.
>>1707179Agreed. Besides looking very bad, not telling the Union about the creep is literally helping our greatest enemy establish a stronghold on an extremely important planet.
>>1707130I'm worried that we'll be blamed, whether honestly or as a scapegoat.If we warn them ourselves or at least ask them to investigate the possibility then we can't be blamed.If we can clean it up quietly and take over in the creep's place, fine. But right now this is a slow-burning fire that's spreading into areas that affect our interests, and that's not good.>>1707215I could possibly see that as a way to force the Union to ask for our help, but more likely they'll just paint all Hive life with the same brush and galvanize public sentiment against us.
>>1707145>The longer we hold off on telling them about the spores the deeper the OQ's creep will get its roots into Path. Spore pods can be programmed to build not just infrastructure, but drones and advanced relays as well. And we did have a critical failure on our detection. There is a non-zero chance that if we delay too long the OQ could gather a lot of human tech to reverse engineer, which would amount to a disaster at least as bad as Nowhere.Not quite true. First of all our pods cannot construct drones or specialized infrastructure on their own, and by default cannot psionically connect to the greater hive if it is outside of it's own range. Technically they can be programmed to build an advanced relay, but from what we've seen of the OQ unlike us she HATES including advanced relays in anything. The entire scouting fleet she sent out lacked one, remember? It was governed entirely by specialized thinkers, probably because unlike us, she is very keenly aware of just how dangerous it is placing a relay anywhere it could be intercepted by a hostile queen. On that note, if the creep on Path did grow an advanced relay, that would be a boon for us. I mean, a potential war winning boon for us. Remember that if we succeed in capturing an advanced relay and connecting it to an advanced psionic jammer, OQ will be essentially permanently crippled. Unable to disconnect from the relay, and unable to communicate with any of her children anywhere, her hive will go from a unified force into a divided and self consuming swarm of bees that will be unable to coordinate their actions or communicate beyond a range of a couple miles. Our war with her would be practically over, and the risk of a couple of human trinkets falling into her hands would be worth that risk. Of course, all of this overlooks the fact that this only going by what OUR spore pods do, not hers. And even then it's basically just an auto hive creep, not automatic hive constructor with built in connection to the rest of the hive. For hive queens advanced relays hold much more significance than what we've attached to them, and they are far more hesitant than we are to add them to everything.
>>1707179>>1707215You forget that we shouldn't even know about the creep ourselves. The only reason we do is because we've established a secret hive on Path on the first place. A fact we would also risk revealing if we told the Union.
>>1707223That's assuming that her advanced relays don't have a self-destruct mechanism. Hell, why don't OUR relays have self-destruct mechanisms? Just add giant internal acid sacs around the transmission bit.
>>1707240>You forget that we shouldn't even know about the creep ourselves.We simply could claim to have deduced that there would be creep on the planet judging by how intact the remains of the OQ's ships recovered in the Cluster lab are. We could say something like: "Even the smallest fragments of the structures of the Obsidian Hive contains a potent bioweapon that, if left unchecked, can consume the biosphere of a planet. The debris you recovered - more than we thought should have survived the atmosphere - indicates your planet is likely seeded with that same taint. We urge you to investigate the dark and underground of the planet at once to seek out corruption. Purge the foul creep with fire and dig down to dissolve its roots. We are more than happy to assist if you would like our drones to intervene."There. Done. Easy.No need to reveal our own secret Hive (which would probably have to be moved) or our existing infiltration on the planet.
>>1707265Certainly. We could also deposit trace amounts of the creep all around the Senticom building just before we make that announcement. It's taken it, what, 3 days to get to the point it is. Which is basically the point of inhabiting dank pools and consuming garbage and the odd taidairen. If we deposit traces of it in key points around the Senticom building 1 day or less before we make our announcement, we can point to the outbreak all around this big, mysterious blank spot on the map and demand answers. No risk to anybody and all the justification we need to seize the blackest black books in the Union.
>>1707259If we could include self destructive glands in every relay it would make the whole weakness they create with advanced relays pointless. Every time an advanced relay shows up there will always be a chance to seize it and jam it, that's the whole point of the jammers.
>>1707311>If we could include self destructive glands in every relay it would make the whole weakness they create with advanced relays pointless.Yes, so why aren't we doing it?
>>1707311Couldn't we just incorporate a thinker into an advanced relay with acid glands (or even something more potent like a small nuke) and give the order "if you ever stop hearing mother's thoughts for >1s self-destruct"? Why wouldn't that work?I agree it wouldn't remove the risk from advanced relays entirely. I also agree that we probably have too many advanced relays given the danger they pose as their signal leads directly back to us. However, self-destructs would take significant steps towards heavily mitigating the risk of one falling into enemy hands or being jammed long enough to be seized (if we give standing orders to blow up if it can't hear us).
>>1707328QM fiat. If we could do that it would completely remove the risk of getting jammed, which QD does not want to do because it would remove a key gameplay mechanic. The inherent danger advanced relays pose if captured or jammed is something that has always been there and will likely remain.
Why are our clones always so angry and swear-y? Is that because they all have a little bit of Lyle in them?>an ornamental shell-glave in the south-shallows reverse-grip styleThe fuck is this? Whatever it is, we should put it in some kind of fancy chitin box that's inscribed with some kind of Valen compliment. Maybe send over a gift of fish while we're at it. Motherfuckers love fish.
>>1708878Engrave it with "Counts in Swamps or whatever."It's the obvious outcome of trusting Sprekles to accurately communicate the request for a gift to the Hive.
>>1708911Elegance of Cresting Waves is the owner of the station.Counts and Remembers Secrets in Dark Waters is (was?) the tech lackey that inspected the reactors.Maybe something simple, like "to our valued business partner."
>>1708878>Why are our clones always so angry and swear-y? Is that because they all have a little bit of Lyle in them?Lyle was the first human we got to know intimately with the parasites so this might be true.Lee: "Why are all the Clones so angry all the time?"Queen: Human Lyle has proved that anger gets results with other humans.Lee: "I really don't think you want Lyle fucking Rogers as your baseline for human interaction"
>>1708954Queen: "Human Lyle lived a hard life."
>>1708911As fun as this would be, we don't want to give off the impression that either Sprekels (who would be our liason for the deal) or the Hive lack attention to detail.
>>1708878A fancy shell that it can be worn easily and it's 'filling' or way of entrance is from the left. It seems valen need to acquire bigger shells or prettier ones to make some status. He basicaly wants a tailored suit.
>>1710197I think that might be slightly off (although I could be wrong here). The Valen said he wanted: >an ornamental shell-glave in the south-shallows reverse-grip styleTo me that sounds like some kind of grabbing device he can "grip" that in a certain rare style. I'm recalling the following response from QD's ask.fm page:>The first "tool" known to have been used by ancient Valen is a kind of carved glave device used to extend and narrow the tips of the claws using bits of animal or plant matter to turn the large and deadly claws into more fine manipulators, although the simplicity of some of these artifacts has lead to dispute over their exact use, and the discovery and use of these devices is considered to be similar in significance to Humanity's first use of fire.So based on that the fact that this Valen is asking for a "glaive" makes me think he's asking for a fine extension device used to narrow the tips of his claws.Whatever the case of what the Valen is asking for, we need to go all out and greatly exceed his expectations. Several fine glaives, a new artistic shell of the best possible quality, and as many other exotic and valuable trinkets as we can reasonably give without revealing any of our technology. We can then instruct our clone to tell the Valen the items are intended as a "gift" in the hopes of future mutually beneficial ventures. This (should) put the Valen in our debt and make it more likely he will hide details of our transactions from guild oversight.
>>1708954Could you imagine how the Union brass would react if they overheard that conversation? Morgan would throw himself out the window.
>>1710757I think making several smacks of falling over ourselves for his favors, rather than demonstrating superiority.Instead, make exactly one as requested, but make it absolutely exquisite, and then never suggest it was even slightly difficult or troublesome to do.
>>1711351>>1710757But wait, Valen concepts of debt.Shoot, I don't know anymore.
>>1711355Your on the right track Remember by having that claw thing he displays to other whales that he has a business contact with the shadows That is of the major importance of him having it as he raises his social status more which is why he didnt try to demand a bigger cut of the money from spreckles The social and political gain is much more worth it that the more credits by showing he got a connection to usAnd yeah we shouldn't fall over backwards to make it, just do one and make it show it wasn't of any importance for do for us, that shows we are the dominant one in the relationship So yeah there should be a insult from specker as it reminds him that speck has the real contact with us, not the whale
>>1711415Perhaps we could include an oblique reference to the impounded ship. It's been a while since we brought out the Queen's cheekiness, it would be fun to play it here.
>>1710757Oh yeah you are right. Anyway whatever it is we should make it perfectly and show off it wasn't something hard to make as other anon's sugested.Maybe throw something else like a new shell since the glaive will be a 'gift' for him overlooking the current situation and leave him indepted to us.
>>1715321Maybe. Whatever we give I agree should be the absolute best possible quality.This may be a stupid idea, but what if we gave him a hardlight glaive (or a glaive with a hardlight tip)? Something that can extend and retract so easily would likely have great utility, and it would be such a status symbol it's very unlikely the Valen would sell it for someone else to reverse engineer. It'd be a great way of creating a unique gift that will have substantial value and prove Hive origin.Even if hardlight tech does end up eventually getting reverse engineered, hardlight is among our least valuable technologies, and by trading with it now we can show that there is benefit to be gained in working with the hive.
>>1715537nope not giving the giant backstabbing slug whales any tech
>>1715560It isn't all that valuable as far as our tech goes. While the whales are backstabbers, they recognize the value of a good gift better than most. They can't reverse engineer our tech in a reasonable time table, and the whale we gift the glaive too will be unlikely to give it up for someone else to study anyways because it is such a prestigious item.
>>1715560>>1715607Also, the whales will be unlikely to backstab us because of the possibility the hive will reciprocate. They are terrified of us and we can backstab a lot harder and more powerfully than they can.
>>1715537As I understand it, he wants to keep this deal on the downlow for a while.Taking that into consideration, we should probably refrain from adding any obviously advanced technology that would raise serious questions about where it came from.
>>1715709That's a fair point. I suppose the hard-light feature could be toggled on and off, but we probably don't want our gift to be obviously Hive on its face.
>>1715607>It isn't all that valuable as far as our tech goes>Tech that leads directly to multilayered shields, shield domes, personal shields, and blasters isn't that valuable.Holy fuck you're retarded.
>>1718856I think anon's have either forgotten how far we have come and how many benefits we got from reverse engineering human tech and Hive tech that we are getting a little bit over our heads.The tech advantage, as well as the allies we gained, in the for of Theseus and Heritc, gave us a good advantage over cunt aunt.I wonder if Heretic has any cool tech to help us develop cheaper high tech ships.
Just to quickly answer the question about the glave, according to publicly available information, it is a specific kind of manipulation tool developed in the Valen pre-industrial period. It is entirely obsolete now, which is why the request specified "ornamental", meaning it can be made with an aim for style over function and doesn't need to be fitted or even work, although actual functional versions of a shell glave would essentially be a kind of manual cargo crane bolted onto a valen's shell with a series of primitive pulleys rigged to the joints of the valen's arms allowing fine manipulation of objects smaller than a valen's claws can typically manipulate. The "Reverse-grip" means that the arms are meant to be held back, folded close to the shell with the claws facing upwards, which was a development of a particular region of the pre-industrial valen home world, likely an invention of this valen's historic clan ancestors.The shell glave itself was mostly an invention of the valen's equivalent of the human Victorian era, a period where technology was rapidly advancing but industrial technology had yet to be created. steam powered versions quickly made the shell glave obsolete, followed by electronic versions used only four centuries prior, and finally being largely replaces with mechanical puppets, although electric shell glaves with neural controls are still common for valen who frequent areas lacking in valen suitable infrastructure, such as traveling merchants or those living in more rural communes where puppets are less affordable and more difficult to maintain.
>>1719652What is life like for a Valen living in a 'rural' commune? I've been assuming that given their highly social nature and advanced technology most would prefer living in very densely populated areas. >>1718856I think a lot of players here are kind of new to the quest, plenty of them come across as oblivious as to how we got to where we are now. Though while we're on the subject of scavenger's mastery of shield technology, I noticed in our battle with them some of their tanks were sporting their own personal shields. We really should have captured one of those for reverse engineering, but I guess we can always pick one up on the next world we fight them on.
>>1720930>We really should have captured one of those for reverse engineering...You mean the one we did capture, which is due for dissection once it arrives on Leeland along with all the other cybernetic toys installed in its flesh?
>>1721506Wait, is the Scav matriarch even dead? I thought we captured her alive. I'd have to go check.
>>1721506>>1721626Yeah she's alive. Which means she's due for vivisection, not dissection
>>1718856>>Tech that leads directly to multilayered shields, shield domes, personal shields, and blasters isn't that valuable.That will take them months to develop at best and more probably years. They don't even have much of the base tech that leads to the development of hard-light. There is very little chance of the humans/Valen reverse engineering it on any time-scale that can be any possible sort of threat to us. The goodwill gained even in the short term would outweigh costs significantly. If it might even lead to us getting a Valen to study in exchange the trade would easily be worth it.>>1718971People are also forgetting just how much advanced tech we have and that a little goodwill can go a long way. Consider where our relationship with Theseus would be if we had never done trades with him. Even if we're just giving this shit away (and that is NOT how the Valen see "gifts" at all), the PR boost alone would make the costs worthwhile.
>>1722725If we're going to acknowledge that it's effectively a tech transfer, let's get paid for it. No reason to sell it cheap.The hardlight stuff isn't needed to get the goodwill we're going for.>Consider where our relationship with Theseus would be if we had never done trades with him. Sure. So if the Valen would like to actually trade tech, then let's talk.
>>1722778>Sure. So if the Valen would like to actually trade tech, then let's talk.We can definitely talk with them about this. I have a feeling that attempting to trade in such an obvious exchange is more like how humans would trade than how Valen would trade favors and the like among themselves. But I certainly won't get in the way of our offering to make formal agreements with the Valen to exchange tech, make treaties, or otherwise establish diplomatic relationships that are not entirely predicated on fear.
>>1722725>That will take them months to develop at best and more probably years.The correct answer is you don't fucking know. Stop pretending to.>They don't even have much of the base tech that leads to the development of hard-light. They, from what we've heard, almost have nanomachines. Just because we can't see all the advancements they doesn't mean they aren't potentially figuring it out as we speak. Hell the tech you are giving could give them enough of an idea of how to advance their own tech to make break through.>>1722778>>1722825 >Giving them tech>EverYou guys are terrible at business. Your goal should be making them completely dependent on us not giving them tech to challenge us.For fuck sakes getting a complete monopoly over them would outright make us their indisputable ruler under the way their society works. You guys clearly think too much of them being like jews and not enough of them being like the chinese.
>>1723495>The correct answer is you don't fucking know. Stop pretending to.We DO know that our reverse engineering is orders of magnitude faster than what the humans can accomplish. The Commonwealth described the Scavengers as reverse engineering Commonwealth drop technology in a few weeks as incredibly fast while we described it as very slow. It would take at least months for the Union to reverse engineer any tech we give them especially if the lack the technological base to even attempt to understand the foundation of the technology at the outset and the complexities of its biological nature.Also, while the Union does almost have nano-machines, our own nano technology is still much better as is evidenced by Palmer's observation of our tech as being incredibly advanced when he observed our healing salve in the Path lab. I agree that nano-machines is one tech we should NOT give the Union unless they offer us something extremely valuable in exchange.>You guys are terrible at business. Your goal should be making them completely dependent on us not giving them tech to challenge us.We can do both. Our critical tech (like life extension, teleportation, planet crackers, better FTL, communications, mind-reading, etc.) we don't need to share. This is the stuff that will make them dependent on us. Less critical tech, like photon stuff, we can share and trade to improve diplomacy and relations. We are doing interstellar diplomacy - NOT a business transaction. You don't seem to understand how important appearances are, as well of the possibility of this NOT being a zero sum game for the parties concerned.>You guys clearly think too much of them being like jews and not enough of them being like the chinese.You don't seem to understand I'm not thinking of the Valen as either jews or chinese. I'm thinking of the Valen as NOT HUMAN because they have alien sensibilities, culture, and response to gifts and feelings of obligations. You should not think of the Valen as analogous to any existing human culture.
>>1723876>like photon stuff,That photon "stuff" is still valuable enough to be considered "critical" and is useful enough that having a monopoly over it is actually more valuable than almost anything they could give us. Talking diplomacy is also stupid of and in itself since these are predators with a tendency for economic war and backstabbing with a great respect for assholery. Selling them the tech actually is a pointless since the only real problem is that they feel like they can't reason with us>NOT a business transaction.There is no difference to a Valen in case you haven't notice from EVERYTHING that has been mentioned about the Valen. There is no diplomacy, only business and backstabbing.>You should not think of the Valen as analogous to any existing human culture.Most of the races are actually analogous to cultural groups but with the traits of various animals of each being mixed up to make them "alien". Like the Ceph are in fact analogous to Muslim death cults with their octopus-like nature justifying their morality and the Canians are buddhist monks that just so happen to live in the space equivalent of the middle east. You have to keep in mind even though they are aliens they are in the end unable to be truly alien since there is so many of them that QD invented and they are written by a human trying to make them relatable.
>>1724104>Like the Ceph are in fact analogous to Muslim death cults with their octopus-like nature justifying their morality and the Canians are buddhist monks that just so happen to live in the space equivalent of the middle east.Okay so everyone can clearly ignore your opinion. Good to know
>>1724132What? It's fucking true. Aliens in this setting are about as alien thought process wise as somebody living in a different culture with most alien part of them their biology. Hell some this stuff has been mention in story like the Ceph's morality has being explicitly stated to be shaped by their biology which is what drives them to so violent, worship a magical black rock, and trying to make everyone submit before their god. I don't know about you but that sound pretty fucking Muslim.
>>1724486Dude, that's fucking retarded. Just. Stop.
>>1724104>ceph are analogous to muslim death cultsYou've been sucking /pol/'s contrarian bullshit for too long.
>>1719652>>Cabals and Cartels: The local hive focuses its efforts on the planet's underground and corrupt elite>Sabotage and smuggling actions cost far fewer resources, and are finished more rapidly.There are Sabotage and Assassinate actions, but there are literally no smuggling actions in the pastebin to do.
>>1724668Smuggling just allows you to ship hive assets off world, such as agents, weapons, drones, egg layers, ect. If you have access to smuggling, you can ship agents to perform actions on other worlds, for instance, or start a new covert hive by smuggling an egg layer through customs instead of having it attempt to penetrate orbital traffic control.
>>1724920Also new thread's up.