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War, War never changes.

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>>1426411
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>>1438425
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>>1451933
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>>1469110
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>>1478346
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>>1494051
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>>1511713
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>>1532634
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>>1552873

You are the Courier, and you are on a quest to use all your knowledge and power to rebuild a new America in the image of your liking. Along the way you have faced challenges, made new contacts, and face the prospects of new dangers and opportunities. Among the many things you face that you have not before, is that of being a father to your mutant child and, in a sense, the progenitor of an alien clone whom you have made an enemy while preserving your honor, and who and has fled with abducted companions. Your main settlement, Big MT, has succesfully fended off a 2nd alien threat, this time (hopefully) for good, now totally cleansing the great alien craft and securing the saftey of the Crater and the Chinese base within. Having done so you continue on your efforts to assemble a proper industrial and military basis of a nation with all the science and technology at your disposal, meanwhile you do not ignore the affairs of the outside world. Currently, you visit New Vegas and the Mojave, now firmly under Legion control, both to survey the area and retrieve any useful assets for your use.
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>>1571567
You are currently with your recently purchase, a mute young man on sale at the New Vegas Colloseum as a slave, who has revealed his history as the son of some Scavengers captured at Denver Colorado by the Legion. In front of you stands Dean Domino, a Ghoul you rescued from the Sierra Madre, and Rachel, a shy pretty slave woman that he had swiped away from Legion Slavers. Currently, you are inside a basement in an Old World concerthall set to stage one of his performances before the Bombs fell.

You've agree'd to smuggle Dean and Rachel out of the city, having the stealthboys on hand for just such an occasion, but the other issue of getting his massive (and most likely useful or valuable) collection of things from the basement poses another issue. Being overencumbered would slow you down, possibly make you waste more stealthboys considerably.

You decide to settle for having your little party (and yourself) take what you can carry (which is considerable but not unlimited) to the Remnant Bunker, to stay and wait there, and then make a 2nd trip back here and gather the rest of the things. At that point, you should be able to overencumber yourself and then just port out of the City to BigMT.

A wordy, but simple and straightforward plan that Dean Domino agree's to. Meanwhile, you notice the slave you have at your side fidgeting. Seems he wasn't expecting to be sold to someone acting directly against the legion, and the fear and sweat on his face is palpable. He's clearly concerned, but isn't (or can't) voice it. But he obeys.

His face lights up when you show him a Stealth Boy. He recognizes what it is, and seems to not believe you're actually handing one too him. Dean is also somewhat impressed.

>Dean
"So just turn one of these on and for one hour. I'd almost wish I had one of these in the Sierra Madre to have beaten Elijah to that Vault. But then I'd be the one trapped in there, not him, I gather. You really should tell me what was inside that Vault."
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>>1571626
>You
[It's a long story, I'll tell you later. Christine is in BigMT]

>Dean
"Ah, another familiar face. I wouldn't mind that."

>You
[It's familiar, but not exactly what you had in mind. You'll understand when you get there]

>Dean
"Always with the vague. Would a little clarification be too much to ask?"

>You
[Okay. Elijah rose up from the dead as a hologram somehow and took over the Sierra Madre's technology and is turning the Ghost People into his own personal army armed with weapons created from matter replicators, Christine had been inside the Sierra Madre at the time keeping outsiders safe from entering it when she was nearly caught by him. She had to don a Ghost's suit and hide among them, becoming like the Ghosts themelves and unable to remove them but retaining her intelligence.

How was that?]

>Dean
". . .

Okay so some things are better left asked later. 'Brevity is the soul of wit', let's get out of here before they decide to blow up the building on top of us."

You load up on the most important stuff. Which to you is the most unique/irreplaceable stuff. Dean's holotapes and musical writings, some of his memorabilia, a couple of instrument cases, photo's and albums. The heavier stuff like the antique furniture, clothes, ammo, weapons, and of course booze and supplies you'll get on the 2nd trip.

---
One tense, but successful trip and several hours later you arrive at the Remnants Bunker. The remnants, helicopter, and power suits are long gone but its still a viable base and living place. Food, water, beds and bunks.

>Dean
"Not too shabby. I do like the added security. I suppose I'll be here to hold the fort.

That friend of yours, not much of a talker is he?"

>You
[He's mute. He knows morse code and unlike Chrstine he can read and write.]

>Dean
"Good to know. I'm sure we'll have riveting conversations."

You leave them all there, and head back to NV to collect the rest of the stuff.
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>>1571631
You return to NV having walked there for several hours more. As you return to the Market District, formerly Freeside, you see Legion soldier's surrounding the building.

Oh hey, you know that one! What was his name, uh, Eddie from the Powder Gangers. What are they doing-

>Rolled 26
KABOOM!

The Concert Hall goes up in a fireball and flying debris.

Oh dammit, there was some really good stuff in there. . .no way to get at it now.

Welp. Guess all that's left is to go home and get some transport for your goodies and people here in the Mojave.
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!ALERT!

You now have a (small) amount of Hexcrete Bags! *BUT* it will lower your water supply to use it! You need water to mix concrete.
The Hemp Farm is recovering.
Food has dropped a level, but is recovering.
You will need to spend a hero action to retrieve the stuff/people/things from the Mojave. State how.
Fuel is exhausted. You can cut into the food again for more if you want, and you can also raise your food levels through Sierra Madre Chips for 2000 chips.

>>>>>Food: Average (Recovering)
>>>>>Water: Low (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (NONE) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
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---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
95 Human
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
17 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant

>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 5 Bulldozers (Ruined) 1 Giant Crane (Ruined)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
!NEW!
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
300 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
!NEW!
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

6000 Sierra Madre Chips
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>>1571665
to spend Sierra Madre Chips is free. Just say so, no need for an action (but I prefer you included it in a full action post).

You have 4 actions, to be directed each turn.
1 Hero Action (what YOU are doing)
1 Civ Action (a multiuse action based on your current civ power
1 Repair/Construction Action (An action to either repair a thing OR a general construction action. both have been granted by current equipment/companions)
1 Military Action (must be for military reasons i.e. scouting, attacking, raiding. NOT research/non-military construction / generic resource scavenging)

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 53
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TO DO LIST/SUGGESTIONS/ETC.

Think Tank Gifts

>Replicator
Level 1 Vending Machine Optoins {unlocks additional replication options} [ ] (needs Needs Repaired Y-0 Research Center Lv1)
Level 1 Vending Machine Bigger {makes more} [ ] (needs Needs Repaired Y-0 Research Center Lv1)
Repaired Y-0 Research Center Lv1 [X] (Needs Repaired Construction Bots [X] Needs Repaired Facility [X] Needs Additional Vending Machines [X])

>Unity
Clean Unity Food [ ] (needs FEV Research)
Unity Webbing [ ] (needs FEV Research)
FEV Research Lv1 [ ] FEV Research A proper FEV Lab. Needs Prime Human Subjects)
A proper FEV Lab [ ]
Prime/Untainted Human Subjects [ ] (Needs to convince Chinese Volunteers/Freezer People)

>Brain
Reverse Engineer Biological research station [X]
Reverse Engineer Sierra Madre Machine [ ] (needs more Sierra Madre Machines)
Investigate the Construction Zone for its Vehicles and Construction Bots [X]

>Riddick
Get a Vehicle Garage [X]

>Hexcrete Plant
Small Cement/Concrete Mill [ ] (Needs Chinese War Factory [X]. Needs Small Chemical Mill [X]. Needs Limestone and Quartz and Gypsum Mine [X]. Needs Repaired Construction Bots [X]. Needs Repaired Construction Vehicles [X])
Small Chemical Mill [X]
Repaired Construction Vehicles [ ] (Needs Chinese War Factory. Needs Vehicle Fuel.
Chinese War Factory [X]

>Old World Fabric
Old World Textile Plant. (Needs Cotton. Needs Nylon)
Nylon (Needs Small Chemical Mill [X]. Needs Charcoal [ ])
Cotton [X] OR Hemp [X]

>Salient Green (COMPLETED)
Salient Green [X] (Needs Banana Yucca)
Bigger Biological Research Station [X]
Banana Yucca [X]

>Possible Luxuries (Not a complete List)
Alcohol [ ] (Needs Bigger Biological Research Station)
Bar/Casino [ ] (Needs Building Materials. Needs Alcohol.)
Better Public Baths [X]
Cafeteria/Kitchen [ ]
Clothing Store [ ]
Furniture Store [ ]
Brain has a few ideas [ ]
Find Dean Domino! [ ]
Swimming Pool [ ]
Movie Theater [ ]
Radio Show [ ]

>Culture/Gov't
An Actual Town Hall Built [ ]
A School [ ]
An action to actually. . .hammer out the details of your country. . [ ]

>Big Giant "Personal" Party and/or Celebration
Booze (Plentiful) [X]
Food (Abundant) [ ] and/or [ ] 20 Brahmin to be butchered
Securitrons [X]
Guns [X]
(Optional)
A bigger Light Switch-02 Bulb [ ]
Extra Old World Silk Furniture [ ]

>Other
Repaired Construction Bots [X]
Vehicle Fuel [ ] (Needs Small Fuel Mill. Needs Salient Green)
Small Fuel Mill [ ] (Needs Chinese War Factory)
Cement Mines (Limestone [X] Quartz/Gypsum [X])
Charcoal [ ] (Needs Lumbermill)
Lumbermill [ ] (Needs Wood)
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Rolled 50 (1d100)

>>1571677
>hero
Take riddick, meet at the saucer, fly the saucer to the bunker, pick up dean and the free men, fly home.
>civ
Have a party with dean singing, name the country, declare independance day or something, drink.
Spend chips on food and booze.
>construction
Build a bar
>military
Send a small part to trona, leaving bots to secure it. Send a small party to newberry and secure it.
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>>1571698
>name the country, declare independance day or something
I'd really like a lot more than just that.

If asked, I will provide a set list of questions I'd like addressed. That might actually take your hero action + civ.

Perhaps consult your Brain for this.
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>>1571707
Probably would want more people around for that, so change civ action to
>put on another radio show
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>>1571724
Truth be told I should get started on that right away because it is a lot of things to be addressed, so the earlier the better.

---

Everytime you return to BigMT, you start hosting ad-hoc meetings with your companions and the prominent members of the Community, asking for insight on how to plan your new nation, one question at a time.

Perhaps the first thing to decide. Name:
What should we call it?
CHOOSE:
>New Enclave
>New Commonwealth
>New America
>New Columbia
>Pheonix Commonwealth
>The Successor Commonwealth
>The Commonwealth Scion
>Courierland/Courioria/Couria
>Other

--

Symbolism is also important. I notice many of you proposing the Pheonix or a flaming Eagle, to represent a New, not a Reguritated America. If you have any other suggestions or object to this state so.

Please vote on these options whenever you see it!
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>>1571677
>Hero.
Go gt riddick, meet at the Saucer, fly saucer to bunker, pick up Dean and the free men, fly home.
>Civ
Collect more scrap metal.
>Construction.
After the civ action, use the collected scrap metal to build a concrete mill.
>Military
Inspect Neweberry springs more thoroughly, find out if it's inhabited.
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>1571698
>Building a bar.
>Not the god damn small concrete mill that will speed up all other concrete constructions.
Forgot roll
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>>1571741
>Enclave Pheonix
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>>1571741
I likr
>The Phoenix Concord
But would settle for
>phoenix commonwealth
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Rolled 45 (1d100)

>>1571677
>Hero - get Dean via using Riddick at the saucer or some how.

>Civ - Convert more hemp to fuel

>Con- Build a small concert mill out of concert

>Mil - join chinese/American training opps.
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>1571745

I'll support this

>>1571741

>Other

I'm gonna go with the alliteration of

>The Commonwealth of Columbia
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>>1571763
1 Enclave Pheonix

Sounds like your people would be "Enclavians" or "Fehnee-shians" (/ "Fehnix-seans")
>>1571770
1 The Phoenix Concord

"Concordians" I gather.

>>1571775
1 The Commonwealth of Columbia

"Columbian" or "Commonwealther"
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>>1571775

Actually I'll the name to

>The Colombian Phoenix Commonwealth
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By the way while away I figured something.

Wouldn't Borous have the DNA samples of nearly every animal that there was before the bombs fell?
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Okay, so the jist of the action is

Hero
>Get Riddick to help with the Saucer and/or Dean
Civ
>More Scrap Metal
Construction
>Build the Concrete Mill
Military
>Secure Newberry Springs?

Confirm?
>Y/N
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>>1571814
>Y
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>>1571814

Yeeeep
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>>1571814
n
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>>1571826

>ZSAD

Are you the bad man ZSAD man? Behind blue eyes?
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Hey QM, weren't we supposed to get some TINY scrap metal? >>1564412
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>>1571833
Yeah, you have it my bad
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Just need 3 votes.
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Anyone here?
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>>1571872
Ill throw my vote in with enclave pheonix.

Although desu, I prefer Americans over Phoenicians but it is what it is.
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>>1571890
....... does qst have a word filter changing t b h into desu?

Wat?
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>>1571890
Any vote on the turn actions? The name thing can come with time.
>>1571892
Good ol' OG Moot.
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>>1571893
Sorry QM, I missed that part. I'll vote to confirm the >>1571814
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>>1571814
LOCKED

Gimme some more 1d100s people
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Rolled 5 (1d100)

>>1571901
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1571901
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>>1571905
...... whelp i tried.
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>>1571904
>>1571905


>>1571775
Be thankful for this anon
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>>1571814
>>1571775
Construction
>Build the Concrete Mill

Before even construction can be done, the planning and design phase must be completed. By far this itself is perhaps the bigger challenge. It's not enough to know the ingredients to make Hexcrete, now its automizing it. Indeed it would be an almost insurmountable task, were it not for the vast intellect of your brain, Gabrielle Sanchez' brain, and the experience of Jacob Miles organizing and supervising your team of Follower Researchers and Ad-Hoc engineers.

Like an oiled machine they work together to outline the various steps of making concrete and teaching them to the followers. Everything from the mechanical aspects of grind down limestone into aggregate via a rotary powder grinder and the correct portions of sand and gravel and gypsum, the loadbearing properties and the arithmetic and physical calculations of design, to the chemical processes of providing proper baking through injection of heated air for a set time to bake it into clinker, and to top it all off the BigMT special chemical additives that transform the whole thing into Hexcrete, which must be added on different stages. Added to that designing an aggregate crusher to grind limestone and other materials into the other part of Concrete.

These are but snippets of the vast logistical, technical, and organizational challenges your nations minds have to face. And yet, as a testament to your efforts and actions over the past many months, progress is made. Like a tactician in a battle, they divide and conquer tasks, relearning as much Old World principles and applying in record time, at such speeds even the Boneyard Follower University and OSI would be jealous.

Soon the blueprints, scheduling details, and organizational work will be done (it would have been done this turn with time to spare if you joined in), and everything will be in place and organized for the groundwork to be laid.

Next turn spend another action to begin construction!
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>>1571938
>Next turn spend another action to begin construction!
Damn, will the construction only take one turn?
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>>1571938
Civ
>More Scrap Metal

You are fortunate enough to follow a pair of tracks (that you were ripping up for the ties and spikes) to an abaonded length of rail cars. Another prized cache that will serve you well. If there is one thing that the Old World truly gifted to the new, it's the veritable mountains of abandoned steel lying about everywhere.

But the distances to get these away from BigMT are growing further and further each time. Eventually one day everything even intermediately near the Crater will be scarce or used up.

Still, you have yet to pick up and use Baker's supply.

>>1571955
Depends on the roll. If you devote two actions to it, plausibly.
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Is it too late to make a roll?

>>1571960

Is the idea to drill the mantle to get liquid metal that far-off as to be impossible at this time? We do have hundreds of robots.
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>>1571971
I think the mantle drilling idea is too dangerous to do here in the Big MT, somewhere more secluded where a man made volcano doesn't threaten too much is best.
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>>1571977
It doesn't matter where we do it, right?
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>>1571980
>It doesn't matter where we do it, right?
Yes it does, the mantle drill basically makes a hole all the way down to the mantle to suck up metal, it's basically making a volcano and putting a straw down the conduit, if a accident happens or it's sabotaged it could erupt.
It does possibly give us the benefit of using already existing volcanoes to pull metal out.
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>1571980
It does, Do you want to drill into the UNDER GROUND LABS. We haven't cleared out yet?

>>1571901
>Tfw dice roll was ignored from before.
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>>1571985
>>1571987

Nah, I mean, we don't have to drill it at our base, right? We could find some isolated spot in middle of a desert to do it.

Are there any volcanoes nearby though?
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>>1571987
Look who's late.
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>>1571992
>we don't have to drill it at our base, right?
Correct, and we shouldn't.
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>>1571993
I was cleaning my tools and taking a shower you cunt. If i let those things sit I'm gonna be the one with cemete on his fucking tools and thats not how you work.
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>>1571741
>Pheonix Commonwealth of America
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>>1572067
Yknow, ill change my vote >>1571770
to this so something has more than 1 vote
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>>1571971
>Is the idea to drill the mantle to get liquid metal that far-off as to be impossible at this time?
Yes. The power and technology required would be nothing short of incredible.
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>>1571814
>Secure Newberry Springs
Your securitrons move out to secure Newberry springs, going from house to house to check inside. They report the town is empty, there are some signs of a struggle but you judge them to be ages ago.

Most likely this town was in range of BigMT's abductors and kidnapped ages ago.

The only thing of note was various terminals and evidence indicating the houses did once belonged to BigMT scientists, but whoever they were they were gone now.

All that's needed is to figure out how to get the water to BigMT. Pipeline or truck.
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>>1571814
You head into the Chinese Workshop, where you find Riddick polishing and caring for his car. An Authentic 2070 Charge Company Dodger, with parts specially tailored by Riddick including a tank of Nitrous Oxide. Evidently that makes cars run faster.

You do ask Riddick exactly how he got the car. He says he was part of a "family" of humans before the Great War.

You again wonder just how old is Riddick?

>Riddick
"Does it matter?"

>You
[. . .No, not really]

Apparently that family of humans is also where he got that golden cross he wears around his neck like a necklace. It's from that Jesus religion that Joshua talks about. You wonder why an alien would believe in that sort of thing, but you don't ask further.

---

A short while later, you're driving through the desert sands.

It's one of the most amazing feeling you've ever felt, and you put down the window to feel the rush of air on your face. Is this how Niner feels on his motorcycle? This is even better than flying!
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>>1572108
You bring Riddick to the flying saucer, and he says he'll handle attaching the ship to haul with his car.

Meanwhile, you take two teleport steps back to BigMT and then to the Remnant bunker. Luckily everyone is still there.

>Dean
"Ah, there you are. So, ready for our little excursion? I must say your friend is quite the good listener, but he's not exactly much of a talker. Can't even give me a name, says you never gave him one yet"

Oh right.

About that

>Is there anything you want to say or ask of the slave you bought?

---

Meanwhile, you travel with your companions toward Riddick on foot.

There's just a problem, and Riddick finds you first. He tells you to get up behind a ridge, and take a look.

You look down. You see Riddicks car. The hovering Zetan craft. And a third craft, larger than the others, flying in the air. One you've never seen. Around it stand a bunch of space men in space suits, with alien guns. But they are very much not Zetan, these seem human.

>You
[Who is that?]

>Riddick
"Bounty hunters."

Your eyes light up. This is actually a pleasant surprise.

>You
[Oh boy bounty hunters! I love bounty hunters! Can we kill them?]

>Riddick
"Remember they're around my car. Let's try not to hurt my car. Or your ship."

>You
[Maybe we can lure them out and fight elsewhere]

>Riddick
"Seems so. You got a plan you wanna share?"

>What do?
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>>1572116
>Note: It's not actually the size of the prometheus ship in the movie. Compare it more to a Hercules aircraft
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>>1572087
Thank you kind anon - have a flag concept.
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>>1572121
1 for this Flag Concept!

Looks good too

Anyone else wanna support or propose different, just say so
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>>1572121
I don't really like the phoenix, it should be the stars for the states we will eventually have. Or even just one star, for the United States
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>>1572121
>>1572126
this but vertical and replace the phoenix with a single star
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>>1572121
I like it. Just would prefer a bluer blue. Looks a bit purple.
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>>1572126
Perhaps a Pheonix with a Star?

Also having states implies federalism rather than absolute autocracy.
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>>1572132
supporting this
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>>1572116
Don't forget to vote.
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>>1572132
That's why I said one single star, for the one state, like you posted
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>>1572132
Maybe between the wing wrist bits rather than on the bird body.
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>>1572116
riddick's a sneaky fella. approach the bounty hunters and tell riddick to sneak around and kill them when he sees a window of opportunity
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>>1572116
Use the ncr radio and unsecure line, try to send them north by acting like were telling riddick to hide out at the tunnel happy trails were at.
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>>1572148
1 for this
>>1572160
1 for this
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>>1572146
Doable too. Though a minor detail that doesn't need a rigid vote.

But the jist of it is I'm getting people are okay with the Pheonix, White Star, Blue and Red Stripes background? I'll count the supporting votes and lock when I feel there's enough.

Just need the name then
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>>1572163
Feels like if the Star is in the Pheonix, it represents the state and the Courier, protecting it

If the star is between the Pheonix wings, its representing the state and ideal the Pheonix is grasping toward
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>>1572165
looks good to me, but the blue should be lighter like the other anon said
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>>1572121
Secondary WIP flag concept here
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>>1572165
Maybe a blue background and white bird like >>1572170
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>>1572170
The other one is better
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>>1572165
I'll back this if you give the bird golden accents along the wings or something, it's a phoenix but without a indicator of fire it might as well be a coal coated dove.
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backing >>1572180

but change the blue in >>1572165 to be a little bit lighter
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>>1572187
Ironically I'd argue we should make the blue darker and make the bird entirely gold / orange but whatever proves most popular.
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>>1572190
I can see that. The main issue is the black and blue now are too similiar. Needs more contrast.
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>>1572193
Oh aye I agree, it's why I think some gold or auburn would work well to symbolise it's nature as a Phoenix and to just make it a bit brighter / clearer.
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Keep going with the flag discussion guys, I love it, especially if you guys can agree to conensus!


but don't forget I need the current action thing done to move the turn. If needed, I will provide options, but you usually gain a bonus for being clever cods yourselves
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>>1572196
Maybe make the blue richer as well as darker. Probably could be closer to a Navy colour.
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>>1572170
Looks nice, especially for arm band purposes, although currently there are no states for the stars to represent. Nor are you exactly a federal system yet.
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>>1572148
I will support this course of action

>>1572204
Nor will we ever be if we are smart about this shit.
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1 for this
>>1572160
>>1572206
2 for this
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Alternative Yellow for flames. Just needs some touch up to remove the artifacts around the edges
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>>1572254
All of my yes. Now if we can see it with a richer blue we can have seen all the wanted variations.


Also, do you think the star should be the same colour as the Phoenix or is that excessive?
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>>1572259
Bit excessive. The white makes the star seem like a seperate thing rather than part of the phoenix.
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>>1572259
Personally I like the contrast and the throwback of a white star as they say in the old world "only yellow skinned commies use yellow stars!" but yeah it should be easy to make it yellow

The blue is adjustable. Not sure what Richer means, I gather heavier toward the blue than the violet/indigo scale.

Just need 3 votes on an action to start working on the turn
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>>1572267
Essentially a richer colour just means a greater contrast. Further along one of the three scales so to speak.


Aye that one looks far better and you have a good point about the white star.
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>>1572107
>All that's needed is to figure out how to get the water to BigMT. Pipeline or truck.
We could build a small outpost here and begin large scale fuel farming, then begin moving some water by truck.
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Sine were talking flags can someone make a motif of a star with American stripes to it's right, left and south looking like a birds wings and tail?
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>>1572330
Any vote/proposal for the main action right now?
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>>1572330
Construction of a pipeline could be achieved quite easily. Seeing as we just need a water tight pipe that isn't going to contaminate the water.


Based off of materials naturally available in region for mining, we should make it out of copper which is accurate to real world water pipes. However we will still need to create a pumping, cleaning and de-irradiating (if possible or needed) station.
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>>1572334
I'll support >>1572148
>>1572335
We can build a pipeline instead, but i really suggest we set up an outpost and build some fuel farms here.
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>>1572340
Oh aye, it'll take a fair bit of time to create the pipeline so our people can set things up in region while we are constructing it.


Which brings me to my next question: should we build it above or below the ground? Above ground will be quicker and easier but less secure however below ground will take time to shift the soil yet will conceal the pipe from detection and from attack.
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>>1572345
First we need boosting stations and the like. You cant even get water across a large city without a main pump and some booster stations. Which would be big pumps.
And those would require lots of work and resources.
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>>1572422
I have a solution: borrowed from the human heart.

If we can induce suction on one end and make use of one way valves, then the water can't flow back and is slowly but constantly dragged towards it's destination.


Failing that, just build some windmills on the surface to power a few basic boosters underground if it's such a problem. Which I really doubt.


Also, we should probably put in a small pair of pipes next to this one to carry fuel between towns. Maybe even a power cable or something so they can have electricity without any shit on their end.
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>>1572456
Probably wont work for extebded distance s. If the pipe has a cross section of 1m^2, and is just 1 km long, youd be pushing 1000 tons with all the friction that comes with it.
With one pump, it would be exponentially huge compared to multiple smaller ones.
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>>1572471
True but you are assuming we can't get assistance from gravity.


Also, the valves will work fine at lower pressures, seeing as they occur primarily in the human body in lower pressure regions.


However we need OP's opinion on the whole thing before we can really start thinking this sort of shit through.


Worst comes to worst, we add underground pumping stations and shit and call it a day.
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>>1572148
LOCKED

Gimme 1d100s please anons
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>1572665
By what luck I bear, may this roll be good...
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>>1572674
Dang son
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>>1572676
The dice gods are kind this day!
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Rolled 31, 77 = 108 (2d100)

>>1572674
Doh fine, I'll do the other 2
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Do you want more rolls OP?
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>>1572701
You should've asked for more. Some OP's don't like anons rolling more than once unless their other players aren't present.
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>>1572711
I'll notify it next time.

Anyway, writing
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Rolled 63, 69, 66 = 198 (3d100)

>>1572701
>>1572674
Rolling for reasons
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>>1572674
>>1572912
You tell Riddick you'll find a way to get them away from the car, and try to create an opening for him. It's not what he would have done, but he agrees.

You walk up to them and plan to draw them away from the car.

It works, they approach you and yell at you to "HALT!"

Which you do, and let them come to you, guns pointed.

>You
[Howdy there! Welcome to earth!]

>Merc 1
"Stay where you are savage."

>Merc
"Did he just call his planet dirt? Look at that primitive power armor. Is that fucking nuclear powered?"

>Merc 1
"Whole bloody planet is one giant nuclear mess. Its the same fucking story."

Alright savage, you're gonna stand right there and you're gonna answer us some questions got it?"

>You
[Sure. Least I can do for visitors. Hey, they still use gunpowder weapons in space? Thought you guys would have gone to energy weapons]

>Merc 2
"Energy weapons are a pain in the ass to maintain"

>Merc 1
"Stop fucking conversing with it.

Alright, look here savage, see this man? Have you seen him anywhere?"

He holds a hologram in his palm, displaying Riddick. It cycles through him wearing different outfits, sometimes in diguise, other times in some kind of fancy armor

>You
[Yeah I've seen him. Tall guy, bald, about 6 feet. Eyes that glow at night. Why? Are you after him?]

>Merc 2
"You have any idea how dangerous this man is? He's got a 3 million credit bounty on his head. He killed the goddamn leader of the Necro's and then he bailed on em!"

>Merc 1
"Shut the fuck of Kyleth."

He points his gun at you

"Okay savage. Take us to him."

>You
[Why? He's right behind you]
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Going to log off now.


Reminder to all: we need to secure the other town, the one with the mining equipment and such. Please do so next turn with some robots or something.


Must sleep. Don't fuck up and good luck.
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>>1573124
Trona? we're definitely securing that but it's far away, we'll first need fuel and vehicles.
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>>1573091
Screams, shouts, lots of stabbing action and these space bounty hunters with the help of Riddick go down just as well as an earth one.

If only Axe Man were here, he'd have fun.

Meanwhile, the survivors flee to the saftey of their aircraft and begin to take off, and they zoom away. Looks like they're coming back for a strafing run

You pull out your C-Finder and aim it on the ground, hoping that your timing is right.

Just as its guns heat up and prepare to fire, the ship is struck by a blast of light from the sky, sending it crashing to the ground in a huge fireball of molten metal.

>You
[Ha. I love it when they go down fighting. . .] Huh for some reason you feel that was something they should have said.

Still you reap the spoils.
>+7 Space Mercenary Armor
>+7 Super-Caliber Recoil Assist Rifles

Riddick seems to have enjoyed himself as well, meanwhile you gather the other three waiting behind the ridge, rather dumbfounded.

>Dean
"Remind me never to get on your bad side, partner."

All of you drive off into the sunset, headed back to BigMT.

Turn Update incoming.
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>>>>>Food: Average (Recovering)
>>>>>Water: Low (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (HUGE) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)

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You return with the car and your spoils, a hovering ruined spacecraft, Dean Domino, Rachel the slave he rescued and. . .your own slave purchase.

The three of them are quite shocked and awed, even Dean. First at having been in a car (which even for Dean was a very long time ago) and then at the wonders they see entering Big Mountain.

You bring the alien craft and Riddicks Car to the Chinese Warfactory. And unload.

>You
"Dean, I'll get you and Rachel some housing somewhere in the Higg's village. A private boxcar. Christine will be there, you can catch up.

I suppose the others can fill you in."

Dean is just glad to be out of New Vegas and finally somewhere safe and potentially interesting, and you drive his stuff to the Village.

Meanwhile, your slave boy stays at your side.

Hmm, you realize you don't know his name. He seems to be awaiting your next command.
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---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
!NEW!
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
!NEW!
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
!NEW!
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
300 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

6000 Sierra Madre Chips
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>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 54
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Hmm, now to tally up the Country stuff
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>>1573224
"First of all, Morse code your name for me, second, you're free."
>>1573233
>Hero
Build the Small concrete mill, when finished do the ribbon cutting thing.
>Civ.
Hold a festival after the concrete mill is finished.
>Construction.
Construct the Small concrete mill.
>Military.
Claim Newberry springs, start patrolling it.
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>>1573244
>Hold a festival after the concrete mill is finished.
Any details? Speech elements?

Are you okay with spending additional Sierra Madre Chips and/or Brahmin?

I'd like cultural actions be where Anon's go all out with the fluffiness
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>>1573262
Not that you strictly have too, but it adds personal touch by you guys
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>1573233
>Construction - Build The Concrete mill

>Civ - Try to RnD some of that new juicy power armor and guns.

>Military - Join training drills

>Hero - Get him and riddick working on the alien craft. Fix it up or atleast learn from Riddick how this shit works.
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>>1573262
Aw shit give me a minute.
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>>1573262
Do we have the orchestra still here?
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>>1573244
>"First of all, Morse code your name for me, second, you're free."
{Master has not given me a name. If Master is "Courier" than I am "Couripor" in the Legion tongue, your slave.

...

I cannot be free, even should Master send me away. I am a slave. My collar marks me, it is a part of me.}

>>1573291
Nope they're in Baker. They gave people the creeps.
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>>1573297
>I am a slave. My collar marks me, it is a part of me.
"It is a part of you only if you allow it to be, this is the place of science, of wonders and horrors many men do not understand, getting rid of that collar is trifle for it, will you accept?"
>Nope they're in Baker. They gave people the creeps.
Damn, but understandable.
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>>1573312
>Couripor
{Master, this slave is humbled and fearful. This slave would not believe you could remove my collar, but must now after what master has shown. This is strange. The Legion trains us to beware of masters who buy to free you, their path is death or degeneracy, a life without order or purpose. This one is fearful of freedom. It is a humble request you order me accept.}
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>>1573350
>Accept it and tell him that We would not free him, We would treat him as an equal.

>>1573312
Stop trying to fucking free him, His entire life has taught him one thing. We are going AGAINST everything he knows.
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>>1573262
Okay, so bring over the orchestra, but station them but get some uniform clothes, to give them uniformity and maybe make them less scary.
They play for dean, who would be center stage, do draw away attention.
Spend chips on food and booze

Make some flags post them around. keep a couple for colonization purposes. Don't own the land if you don't have a flag.

The speech should be something on the lines of "Today marks a the dawn of a new era. No longer do we try to put back together what was broken. Today we build anew. Today we rise from the ashes of nuclear fire to grace the world with light anew. Today is the birth of (insert country name here), the light that burns eternal."
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>>1573262
Here's a rough draft.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, it has been a long, difficult road, but that journey is over, and Big MT is our destination. The technology here is our treasure, and with it's use not only will it make our lives better than any other in the wasteland, it will give us the power to heal the nuclear scars on this land. And it begins here, right before you, with the completion of the Hexcrete plant, which will allow us to build concrete buildings greater than any other, even capable of withstanding nuclear blasts(They can do that right?). This is not the only technology in our hands, we have advanced alien guns and flight just waiting to be researched, vehicles waiting to be fueled, robots waiting to be built."
Can think on how to continue the speech.
>>1573355
Why shouldn't we free him?
And he didn't send his entire life as a slave, he was part of a scavenger group before being caut by the Legion 5 years ago.
>>1573403
Don't spend the chips on booze unless necessary, we already have the plentiful supply we stole from the Legion.
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>>1573435
>>1573350

His asking not to free him, So just let him do his own thing as one of the others and if they ask. Explain shit. Once he gets used to everything, and comes to us then we can free him.
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>>1573435
You estimate his age at around 15-16
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>>1573435
should probably take baby steps, rather than just "You're free, do what you want". Probablyask his opinions on stuff, teach him to write etc.
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>>1573442
Fine, but i have to post one more conversation.
>>1573350
"It is true that Freedom can lead to death and Degeneracy, but only for those drunk on their freedom or the ones who don't know the path they tread. Freedom is more than that, it is the ability act and grow for oneself, to have the opportunity to be the best that you can be. If you are unsure and hesitant i won't force you into liberty, just know that the choice will still be there for you."
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>>1573457
Are you by chance the guy who made Arcade fuck off for abit because of talking to him?
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>>1573460
Nope, that was the guy who wants the automated workforce i believe.
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>>1573457
the first and third sentances might be a bit much
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>>1573471
The "Freedom can lead to degeneracy" and "Just know that the choice will be there" Bit? i think they're necessary, why are they too much?
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>>1573482
The first sentence is not very reassuring and the third sentence isn't very strong. doesn't really fit the tone of the thing.
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>>1573494
Ah, would changing to
"It is true that Freedom could lead to death and Degeneracy, but only for those that do not control themselves."
"If you are still unsure i won't force you into liberty, just know that this choice will be waiting for you, all you need to do is grasp it."
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>>1571763
1 Enclave Pheonix

>>1571775
1 The Commonwealth of Columbia

>>1572067
>>1572087
2 Pheonix Commonwealth of America

Does anyone want to change vote/support for a name?

--

How do you guys feel about this flag? Does anyone want to confirm?

>Y/N
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>>1573531
>Y
There are different eagle emblems i would like to see but this is good.
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>>1573531
I'll do the Commonwealth of Columbia too, the rest of them don't have flow or are a mouthful
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>>1573531
I like the flag,
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>>1573531
I support that flag.

I like the Phoenix Commonwealth
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>>1573510
eh, not much better.
"Be free to live the life that speaks to you. But know restraint. Know limits. Know purpose. And you shall achieve greatness."
"Liberty is a choice that each must make for themselves. You can reject it if that is what you wish. But to those willing to see this through, there will be wonders like never before.
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>>1573531
FLAG LOCKED (unless someone elses posts something more popular)

Hooray.

>>1572067
>>1572087
>>1573576
3 Pheonix Commonwealth of America
"Pheonix Commonwealth" for short.

>>1571775
>>1573562
2 The Commonwealth of Columbia
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>>1573583
Fuck that first bit is good.
Unsure about the "But to those willing to see this through, there will be wonders like never before" I think it's setting up too much high expectations.
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>>1573595
Have to dream big. Kennedy promised 9 years to be on the moon. Gotta give them a goal.

Maybe change the end to
"But to those willing to see this through, you shall be part of something truly special.", then lead into what i suggested >>1573403 for the conclusion
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>>1573244
1 for this action
>>1573276
1 for this action

More votes whenever you can anons. The sooner we get to 3, the faster I can update!
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>>1573244
Supporting
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Rolled 30 (1d100)

>>1573618

vote for >>1573244
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>>1573609
Yea sure, i can work with that.
>>1573350
"Freedom is more than that, it is the ability act and grow for oneself, to have the opportunity to be the best that you can be. Be free to live the life that speaks to you, But know restraint. Know limits. Know purpose. And you shall achieve greatness. Liberty is a choice that each must make for themselves, You can reject it if that is what you wish, But to those willing to see this through, you shall be part of something truly special."
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Rolled 54 (1d100)

>>1573244
Can't believe i went that long without my roll
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>>1573631
Oh, that was for the slave? I thought that was for the main ceremony speech. Oh well. We can reuse material. Not like he'd tell anyone.
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>>1573244
LOCKED

Just need one more 1d100 this time anons

Also there's a lot of contested dialogue, any agreement to what to say to Couripor? (or give him a better name)
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Rolled 19 (1d100)

>>1573662
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>>1573635
>>1573244
LOCKED

Writing
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>>1573662
say >>1573631
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>>1573244
>Claim Newberry springs, start patrolling it.
What sort of permanent garrison do you guys wish to staff here?
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>>1573779
Perhaps a small outpost or sentry fort.
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>>1573779
small outpost with the flag.
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>>1573244
>>1573635
You begin construction of the Small Hexcrete Plant. Step by Step.

Before you can even begin the assembly process, you have to mix and pour the concrete foundations, which themselves have to be water cured.

It turns out it takes a HUGE amount of water to do this. So before even that begins, you spend yet more time necessarily having to ferry water from the newly held Newberry Springs, further causing delays.

Still progress is made, the Chinese War Factory burns bright and hot, day and night, making and milling all the necessary pieces. Thousands, mabye even a a million bolts, screws, and tidbits to huge plates and tanks and conveyor belts. Entire engines built from the ground up by design. Its a colossal undertaking. In the Old World, there would have been different factories and construction firms selling these individual pieces and equipment to be assembled here, but you have no such luck and have to make it all. Jacob Miles seems to have forgotten his future shock, and feels most at ease burying himself in the work.

In short, though you and your robots and engineers work hard, the concrete plant still isn't done. It's got lost more work to do.
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>>1573952
Meanwhile your people make preparations for the festival.

Dean Domino seems to be adapting well to the New World outside of the Sierra Madre, his conversation with Christine was a little bit short and to the point but amicable enough.

Christine for her part is mostly brooding by herself, and is actively avoiding Veronica. You're not entirely sure if Veronica is aware she is here. When you do talk to Christine, she says that she hopes you are amassing forces to fight off Elijah.

Meanwhile, you have Unity introduce her band to Dean Domino.

He reacts rather predictably, that is, overtly disgusted. Until he hears them play.

>Dean
"They're not exactly the most charming band, and I'll be honest when it comes to looks I'd have taken even the Ghosts over them. But they have an ear and an arm for music, I'll give them that. Give me some time to whip up a few pieces, I'll show the crowds something far better than that New Vegas gramphone!"

You amass some extra supplies of drinks from the Sierra Vending Machine, to help offset the water shortage. Luckily the farms have recovered to also provide food.

There are still a few more questions to be addressed though.
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>>1573997
CHOOSE/SPEAK
>What is the theme of this Festival:
Is it a national founding? Why at the end of the construction of a concrete plant, rather than the building of a Capital building? Or do we already have a Capital building, like the DOME?

If there are no national attachments is this just a celebration for the completion of a monument or perhaps our great Concrete plant. What is the significance of the festival, will it be an annual thing or simply a one time big party.

>Celebrations
Will there be fireworks? We can have the securitrons blow up missiles in the air.

>Personal Matters
Are you still interested in that big intimate companion party?


---

Meanwhile a force of securitrons secures Newberry Springs, turning it into an Outpost.
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>>>>>Food: Plentiful (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Above Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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>>1574041
>Is it a national founding? Why at the end of the construction of a concrete plant, rather than the building of a Capital building? Or do we already have a Capital building, like the DOME?
It was supposed to be at the end of the construction of the concrete plant to symbolize that we were going to build anew, now i'm having trouble deciding what the new theme is.
>Will there be fireworks?
Fuck no, don't want the NCR to notice.
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>>1574041
Concrete plant is symbolic of building, not rebuilding. make it the national founding

no fireworks

yes
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>>1573631
He scratches his head, trying to understand all that you said. It seems a lot of those words aren't exactly familiar to him. Or rather, they aren't associated with the same meaning and message you are trying to say.

>Couripor
{This one is not yet ready to comprehend what is offered. If this form of communication is hard, I will ease it.}

In a little bit, he makes something like a keyboard on his arm and programs a simple text-to-speech feature.

"Here master, this way I may speak more quickly."

You do notice at least some improvement, the use of the word "I". You suggest he uses it, saying that its a lot less cumbersome than "this slave" or "this one". That might help break him out of this funk hopefully.

It seems, unless you order him to accept freedom or at least his voice, his comfort zone and moral understanding is that of being a slave. He has very little value on his own opinion.

He does seem to like the idea of your state though. And he does have some opinions, primarily on order and following one's lot in life, and giving one's all to the state and those above you. As the gods will it.
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---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
!NEW!
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
200 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips
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>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 55
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Thus far this is the way your nation is shaped up to be.

>Name: Pheonix Commonwealth of America (most dominant)
>Flag: see >>1573531 [LOCKED]
>Government: Autocracy (most dominant)
>Specific Organization [see mayors, etc.] (not yet decided)
>Written Constitution/Laws? (not yet decided)
>Cultural Values / Ideology (not yet decided)
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>1574041
>Its a national founding once we get the plant up and running, to show we are ready to go.

>Fire missiles into the air and stuff, make it flashy.

>Yes

>>1574114

>Civ - RnD those guns son as best we can, Have Riddick help out sense he knows guns.

>Construction - Keep working on the cemete mill.

>Military - build up defenses like sand bags and stuff at the springs.

>Hero - Spend time with the kid while reading and maintaining our kit.
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>>1574255
all this sounds fine and i'm liking the roll
BUT
no fireworks please, seems too risky. throwing a big party with live music is conspicuous enough and we're trying to lie low until we've amassed a formidable force
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>1574255
yeah, sure go with this
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>>1574282
otherwise, supporting >>1574255.
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>>1574255
LOCKED

need one more 1d100
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>>1574235
>Written Constitution/Laws?
Having a written constitution would likely limit our autocratic powers - unless we ignore it (like most autocracies do), thereby msking having one useless.

I'd suggest that we follow the British model and have a common law system which is built up over time, without a single founding document. It is less restrictive and more adaptable to changing circumstances.

There is the downside that we basically start with no laws - and it does empower our 'Senate' somewhat, at least in the early years.
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Rolled 100 (1d100)

>>1574297
Rollin'
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>>1574306
...

How do you guys keep doing that
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>>1574303
Could always just put a disclaimer at the top

"I the Courier reserve the right to basically do whatever I want"
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>>1574314
>100
>on teaching the kid of RULES OF NATURE.

Also nice to finally get better gun designs with the shear CLUSTER FUCK of things we're fighting.
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>>1574303
Sounds good.
For regional governance i was thinking of simple mayors for towns and governors later on for states, but they act as representatives for us. So if we want something done, even if its in multiple townships. We want a strong centralized government
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>>1574314
Booyah!

Makes that work on the flag worth it. Time to have a kick-ass national founding!
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>>1574322
>Brain
"Really now. I had hoped you'd go the full technocratic route.

I believe I could expand and create a series of programs to manage territorial organizational systems. I might even test one out here.

Surely that would be the strongest system of government. Need i remind the securitrons are doing all the police work."
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>>1574338
Tell me of the giant war bots.
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>>1574388
"Giant War Bots, hmm, we will probably need at least the resources of something like the Mojave for that. They will be a feat even the Old World would have scarce been able to achieve."

Also is that drawfag who was willing to draw guns still around?
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Concerning the slave, can't we just use the auto-doc to remove the collar? Actually, can the auto-doc heal his muteness?

It seems we haven't given him any tasks. I suggest the default tasks he will do is to maintain and improve his repair and technical abilities, he should learn what he can from Raul, Riddick and any other companions who are technically skilled.
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>>1574338
I prefer the Brain approach, a fully autocratic regime.

If we are going with mayors and senators, they should be accompanied with AIs which will keep things in check. That way there will be a human face for the population and programs for best efficiency.
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>>1574417

Are the bounty hunter armors and weapons better than what we have. And did we get the wreckage of their craft?
We could reverse engineer it for new technology, things like better computers and power sources
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>>1574417
Is there a way to fabric goods out of nothingness or steel like our bots guns do? Just have them firing over a pot to fill with casings and then metal them down?
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>>1574482
I actually like this approach. Melding the Human aspect with our tech tree.
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>>1574476
Yes and yes

Guys i'm still up for a while so i hope you are too, trying cook up something good for that 100
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>>1574497
>Brain
"Not in any cost effective manner no.

You will notice that each of the individual missiles of the securitron is weaker than those of a true missile launcher, and that the missile launcher of a sentry bot is quite slow intentionally."
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>>1574506
I vote we heal his muteness. He may freak out if we remove his collar though.
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>>1574511
I meant the gatling gun, They don't overheat. So we could have 4 of them running day and night with the shell casings and design a thing to catch the bullets that actually went as well.
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>>1574506
Okay if the slave feels it is too early for freedom, lets just fix his muteness at least.
We are also dealing with 5 years of intense brainwashing. Lets ask our companions (especially the followers) to talk with the slave, to teach him our ideals and their thoughts on freedom and slavery. It will be a long-term rehabilitation process. Step by step.


Also, I don't like the name he chose. If I understood correctly, Couripor means "your slave".
I suggest Matthew for no other reason just because I feel like it. Or whatever name he had before they were captured by the legion.
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>>1574530
You ask him if he had a name before his slave name, before he was captured. He says it was "Harland"
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>>1574536
I think that name is good as any. I suggest we call him that.
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With the dwindling scavenging resources in reasonable distance, I think we should start thinking how we will deal with it.

One idea I had is to set up a scavenging task force, a huge operation where hundreds of securitons and people along with many companions make long distance scavenging runs where they literally strip a location of anything remotely useful in one go.


Another thing we could do is to cannibalize the alien craft. Though I'm not sure if their alloys are compatible with ours.


Or we could set up a trade somehow. Obviously the suppliers wont be coming to our base, we would need to find a trade location.


Anyone have any ideas how we will deal with resource shortage?
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>>1574235
Personally i think we should go for a Autocratic Empire whose states are republics/democracies for minor issues and whose economy is Distributist with a automated workforce. Our cultural values should be thrift, hard work, education and community spirit.
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>>1574637
>One idea I had is to set up a scavenging task force, a huge operation where hundreds of securitons and people along with many companions make long distance scavenging runs where they literally strip a location of anything remotely useful in one go.
Or we could just make for fuel farms and use vehicles to cross the distances.
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>>1574651
>Our cultural values should be thrift, hard work, education and community spirit.

these are important, we can't have people fall into overconsumption and decadence because robots will do most of the work and they be provided with most stuff for free.

>>1574655
I didn't mean they walk these distances. Of course the scavenging force will use vehicles. They need to transport that stuff back. I'm just saying that if we do it like that, we can strip everything from one location in one action without having to spend actions over and over again.
Also, it will provide with added security.
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>>1574663
>and they be provided with most stuff for free.
Wait when did we agree to provide free stuff? It was Healthcare, food and shelter before.
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>>1574669
>It was Healthcare, food and shelter before.

that's not free stuff?
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>>1574696
Why the fuck would we give free stuff that's not what humans need to live? Let people build, sell and buy that stuff.
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>>1574637
>Not repairing the alien craft to use as the truck
>not using it to explore other locations in SPACEEEE
>not using it to set up a mining orbition or bring in fresh asteroids to our world.
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>>1574703
Alternatively, you could mass produce basic versions of mort common items - such as chairs.

This would leave a space for humans to come in and create individualised or more delux versions - such a wooden chairs with soft velvet padding.

Essentially, we want to recreate the old pre-industrial cottage industries, without sacrificing a base standard of living guaranteed by mass production of goods.
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>>1574784
Stuff like shit furniture? Yea sure i was thinking it was already part of the free housing.
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>>1574789
I mean basic versions of everything - watches, furniture, clothes, food, etc

To get anything even slightly better, you have to buy it from a human
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>>1573531
Fixed the flag
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>>1574669
>>1574663
>Brain
"Hmmm, I believe one of your many thoughts was of a society where the basic necessities of living were provided for free, while higher luxuries would have to be purchased at a steep price. Have you considered that?

I myself am intrigued on the idea, I believe we could prove it on the small scale. And perhaps even the large scale.

I know you well enough at least. Fill all your basic needs for free, free decent food, clothing, housing and even medical care and you'd still be bored enough to leave and go out and muck about in ancient radioactive vaults for some new excitement and stimulus.

The basic necessities of life could potentially be provided for free, but people will always seek out stimulus. Make them work for it and surely that should prevent total complacency."

Got some work to do today fellas, but shouldn't be that long hopefully.
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>>1574883
Thanks anon!
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>>1574809
We could give everyone decent shit and cultivate a culture based on man bettering .
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>>1574912
Let's not give people luxurious shit for free, just make jobs pay really well and stuff really cheap to buy.
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>>1574916
We have the potential to move past money.
Unless we directly dictate pays, then things would start imbalancing. Also if we are directly controlling pay, then why even pay people- just give them the stuff they want in exchange for their work.
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>>1574925
>>1574916
>Brain
"Really, I mean, right now with our communal like provisions of rations, free water, and rationed lobotomite sex not to mention our reserving of the Sierra Madre chips for our discretion, money does not even form a part of our current state economy.

Instead what we have is somewhat comparable to a black market. The people who do seem to be using and profiting off money right now are a few hoarders and scavengers, people pay them bottlecaps for a little extra of what they want. Then they use those bottlecaps to get extra things or favors of people.

I've been doing some observation with the securitrons and its all quite interesting dynamics. There are a number of small private service businesses opening up even amid the relative squalor (though, with the public baths its a lot less squalid than before). You have a small number of women offering private services as cleaning maids, cooks, and voluntary prostitutes in exchange for bottlecaps, which they use to buy things as a single example. But there are other small businesses that have formed.

Sometimes it poses a fire or disease hazard and I have to make them move."
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>>1574933
Well, as it stands we don't have the resources to supply everyones wants and need.
But later, when we do have the capability, we could have people who do things because they want to, not because they have to.
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>>1574933
>Brain
"Hey, on that note we could really use some firefighting robots. We have been exceedingly lucky in that regard. My vigililant eye has me watching out all the time for fires and snuffing them out as soon as they are seen, but one fire that gets out of control and we're going to be in a lot of trouble."
>>
What should our Motto and Anthem be?
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>>1575003
"No imitation, only innovation."
"The best of the past trumps the worst of future."
"Clad in willpower."
"Old world values without the mistakes."
"Champions of the New World."
"America, the land of inspiration."
"Prosperity through adversity."
"We will never die."

just spitballing mottos here
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>>1575013
" A light shining in the darkness"
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>>1574322
We aren't going to have states. We will have administrative regions of different sizes but states has historical meaning as a union of groups rather than groups of a nation. If that makes sense.

>>1574637
Zeppelins. We send them to Utah-Nevada border and set up a Iron mining and steel refining operation before shipping it back either in zeppelins or as zeppelins. Possibly look into setting up copper mining as we would be in the region for that as well.


>>1574939
"Surely with all of our buildings being metal or concrete the problem isn't that bad? If so I can think of a few ways of improving fire safety you could implement like forcing all such fire risk creating businesses into a specific region. Declare it a market or something.


Also send some securitrons to salvage the crashed bounty hunter ship. Maybe we can get something good from it..."

>>1575003
>Motto

"Through unity: strength, through strength: progress."

"All else is stagnation. We are innovation."

"Freedom brings progress. Unity brings peace."

"The rising sun, shines bright in the darkness."

>Anthem
I still say a altered version of the Soviet national anthem would be good, seeing as we have a good orchestra and could make it sound beautiful.


However I'd also say that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXvLyCpc6Fs
could work with minimal changes.


Also, I told you guys to claim that mining town! Why haven't we gotten round to that? Do you know how much value we could extract from those mining machines and anything else in those mines, assuming they haven't been mined out? Not to mention denying the NCR more land. It's only a matter of time until they claim it...
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>>1575042
Bounty hunting ship is smack dab in legion owned mojave. Largish scale retrieval would be rather difficult.
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>>1575042
>"Surely with all of our buildings being metal or concrete the problem isn't that bad?

>Brain
"Indeed thats actually been a major benefit. But there are other fire risks. Various tents to add space, curtains and sunroofs. Personal belongings, mattresses, ad hoc insulation. Many people are using stoves to warm their houses at night. That sort of thing."
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>>1575042
Also i believe we have some bots squating at trona. Its just we dont have the ability for a human population like newberry.
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>>1575050
"Don't tell me we are going to have to institute building standards this early into our civilisation?


At least once we have the Hexcrete production online we can start making some apartment blocks and such. Speaking of which I managed to think up some basic floor plans if you want to see them?"


>>1575060
I don't think so but if we do then that is good enough. Since the NCR can't really force us off of our lands...
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>>1574936
>But later, when we do have the capability, we could have people who do things because they want to, not because they have to.
That's what i want, i just don't want to get rid of money, basically i want a society where a box of electronics cost 5$, television is 25$ and a car costs 500$, everything is nice and affordable with just one paycheck.
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>>1575042
>Also, I told you guys to claim that mining town! Why haven't we gotten round to that?
Because it's as far away as New Vegas, which is 3 days of travel, we need to set up more fuel production first so we can have a vehicle convoy bring the metals back.
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>>1575358
So why have money? Money is pointless when there are so many resources supply becomes infinite. Theoretically, everything would be worth nothing.
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>>1575367
>Money is pointless when there are so many resources supply becomes infinite.
We have yet to reach the point of infinite supply, until we give families their own Sierra machine AND the knowledge of how they work and how to fix them we need a monetary system.
Also we don't know what the reversed engineered Sierra machines could possibly need to make stuff, if they still need metal or a fission battery we'll need a(Very basic) monetary system to decide who deserves the machine fuel more.
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>>1575358
I can see the logic to that but I'd argue that we shouldn't get so worried about long term economic policy when all of our current major industry is state owned and everything else is essentially a service industry.


>>1575364
And? We just need to claim it and then I'll stop worrying. Extracting the metal value can be done slowly in the coming months if we need it but making sure the NCR don't get it is my priority.


>>1575367
I kinda agree. I would argue that as of this moment, we shouldn't bother with money: just give the people their daily needs and shit. A tot of alcohol, any medical needs, their daily bread and water. Anything more is something they can trade for in a resource based exchange.


>>1575372
Refer to the above system. They all get a weekly allowance and if they want more, they have to cunningly trade with others for goods, services or ideas. Maybe we can make stocks a thing and have government programs receive additional fund from the people under the assumption of receiving something in return long term or seeing a change in their community they want.
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>>1575380
>And? We just need to claim it and then I'll stop worrying.
Because we'll be doing fuck all with the mine but i see your point, i'll use the military action to claim it.
>They all get a weekly allowance.
A weekly allowance of what exactly? Cause if it's money i must refuse.
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>>1575390
Here's your daily gallon of soylent. Dont choke on it.
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>>1575397
>Soylent is a brand of meal replacement products that are advertised for consumption as "staple meals", and are available in the U.S. and Canada as a pre-mixed beverage or in powdered form for mixing with water.
Oh yea, sure that's fine.
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>>1575401
I was taking about the green goop to make into vedgetables. Just forgot the name. Soilent?
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>>1575397
Essentially that yeah. More precisely:

1) The mass of food needed to provide you with your daily nutrition / energy. All fairly basic shit: grains, beans, fruit and veg. Little meat or fish unless you need the additional protein but enough to supply your vital proteins that your body can't produce.

Seeing as we can provide most of that in Salient green (don't think we can do meat but maybe we can? Or we might make a Salient red...). We can avoid any sorts of problems with food variety assuming people know how to prepare it into it's refined forms and shit. Assuming Salient green actually provides that shit, we can abandon all that and just give them a canister of that and consumption / preparation instructions.

2) A supply of non-irradiated, clean and disinfected drinking water along with water for showering and stuff counted separately. (Possible third section for cooking water? Encourage use of high water efficiency methods?) If you use all your water you can't get more until your next allowance unless you get it off someone else.

3) An allowance of alcohol, drugs or other such entertainment / pleasure materials. Not much but enough to turn their boring existence into a decent one. Far from enough alcohol to get truly drunk and nowhere near enough drugs to overdose but enough to enjoy the effects.

4) An allowance of either cooking fuel like wood, coal, oil or such OR a supply of electricity. Sufficient for X (I'm thinking nine to eight) hours of lighting and for cooking using an electrical hot-plate / microwave.


We can see about providing more stuff as our civilisation advances if needed.
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>>1575421
salient green.
>>1575422
1) I disagree with giving people the foods you have listed, instead we should give them bad tasting but healthy military rations so they are encouraged to farm tastier food for themselves.

3) I agree on giving them alcohol but i must disagree with giving them more complicated entertainment/pleasure materials, that way they are encouraged to produce their own entertainment, we will possibly see our own unique cultural games and pastimes.
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>>1575437
I disagree. We dont want an agricultural economy. We want an information economy. Salient means everyone can have fruits and vedgetables without being farmers, or importing from peru. Does the Robot programmer not deserve good food too?
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>>1575437
>1) I disagree with giving people the foods you have listed, instead we should give them bad tasting but healthy military rations so they are encouraged to farm tastier food for themselves.
Nope. It's easier to convince people to come work for you if your food tastes good and seeing as we have so few people that will be a necessity.

This is something we can give them for relatively cheap seeing as we can turn Salient green into proper plants and thus fruit, grains, beans and vegetables are easily done. Meat is something they should have to work for however beyond the amount required to provide the various vital proteins that your body can't replace or produce.

>3) I agree on giving them alcohol but i must disagree with giving them more complicated entertainment/pleasure materials, that way they are encouraged to produce their own entertainment, we will possibly see our own unique cultural games and pastimes.
At no point did I offer complex things like music, TV, radio or video games. Only simplistic chemicals and possibly some luxurious foods in small amounts to convince them that staying here is worthwhile and to attract more people. Plus good morale.


Also something I just remembered. We should make bikes. They are useful for augmenting our ability to travel without using fuel. Especially since they can be attached to a cart to carry cargo.
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>>1575453
Bikes are good. No one ever uses bikes in post apoc. Media, even though they are so helpful.
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>>1575457
It's because bikes aren't cool. I know that by all logic we should see more of them but even I can see that in the rule-of-cool world that is post apoc. media that shit ain't gonna fly.
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>>1575453

Speaking of making food taste good

Y'know, there is something I figured that we could grow.

Sugar cane

Going to need a way to refine it into sugar, but can you imagine the benefits for being the nation that's able to sell sugar? Or am I deluded and that the NCR or somehow the Legion has sugar too?
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>>1575444
Then we are at an impasse, i want Subsistence agriculture and self sufficiency, you want a welfare state.
>Does the Robot programmer not deserve good food too?
The Robot programmer will grow enough food for himself and his family with advanced agricultural techniques.
>>1575453
>It's easier to convince people to come work for you if your food tastes good and seeing as we have so few people that will be a necessity.
Or we can convince people to come by offering security, education and a good life, no need to give them food when we can give them the power to grow their own food with extreme ease.
>At no point did I offer complex things like music, TV, radio or video games. Only simplistic chemicals and possibly some luxurious foods in small amounts to convince them that staying here is worthwhile and to attract more people. Plus good morale.
Then we are in agreement.
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>>1575461
With Newberry we can grow a lot of crops don't you worry.
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>>1575467

Hooray! Time to get people to the great taste of refined sugar.

Plus, when we start growing coffee beans. We better make some turkish coffee
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>>1575461
Well, the Legion actually might have sugar cane already looking at one or two maps I found of regions that grow it but the NCR should be lacking unless they are using greenhouses to grow it which would be expensive or their Mexican lands have it. Possible but given the situation in mexico was even worse than america, I doubt that the Sugar farming industry survived or any large amounts of the plant.


They will however both lack sugar beet which has the benefit of growing in colder / non-tropical regions.
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>>1575465
>Or we can convince people to come by offering security, education and a good life, no need to give them food when we can give them the power to grow their own food with extreme ease.
Those are things the NCR offers which is where most of our potential recruits will be coming from for the near and possibly distant future.

>Then we are in agreement.
That we are.

>>1575467
Correct, especially if we modify the plants to reduce their water needs.

>>1575475
Again, I say we should just grow spices and sell them to people. Seeing as we could make a killing of of small masses of cinnamon and shit.
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>>1575476

Well, I can see us reviving the sugar industry. While we're at it, what about salt?
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>>1575482
>Those are things the NCR offers which is where most of our potential recruits will be coming from for the near and possibly distant future.
The we must be better than them at these offers, which is easy with our technology.
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>>1575483
No good. The NCR has access to the ocean where they can get a shit ton thanks to the sun and the Legion has tribes that live on great salt flats. Neither group has need for salt.


>>1575489
Which is what mine is.

Do you know how many people we can get with a promise of a meals every day, advance medical care and a drink every night? I'd be more so worried about stretching our resources thin than I would us being beaten down by the NCR.
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>>1575465
WelfaRe state has such negative connotations.Its bot like people are going to pick up there food, eat a good meal and sit around for the rest of the day.

As long as people do something with their lives, who are we to say no?
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>>1575497

Well shit. There goes my idea.

Also the idea you have will either lead to an easy living paradise for the people. Or something Huxley would look upon and say "Fine job kid."
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>>1575497
>Do you know how many people we can get with a promise of a meals every day, advance medical care and a drink every night?
Yes but i also think we will get lot's of good people by promoting and showing our values of self sufficiency, superior education and a good, virtuous life.
>>1575499
>WelfaRe state has such negative connotations.
Just calling it like i see it.
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>>1575513
Problem with having everyone dabble in farming is it takes away from doing other things. The doctor heal, artists add to culture, crafters make. All are part of the whole, and deserve its fruits just as much as the one who grows them.
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>>1575512
>Also the idea you have will either lead to an easy living paradise for the people.
Easy living, yes. Good living? Not so much without working hard or being smart.

>Or something Huxley would look upon and say "Fine job kid."
Assuming everyone in the nation is happy and it is actually stable and productive, I wouldn't mind that.


>>1575513
>Yes but i also think we will get lot's of good people by promoting and showing our values of self sufficiency, superior education and a good, virtuous life.
I am not going to get into an argument over virtue and all that shit since it's a thing I can't be bothered doing today.


However I would point out nothing in my system lowers the focus on education.
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>>1575527
>Problem with having everyone dabble in farming is it takes away from doing other things.
Not enough to be a problem with superior agricultural techniques, i think the bonus of Self sufficiency and knowing how to grow crops in emergencies is worth it.
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>>1575539
The most superior farming technique, comparing effort in to product out is automation. If we allow people robots, someon is going to develop a mr handy that can garden, which ends with everyone with a mr handy that gardens.
At which point no one would be gardening.
Unless we ban agricultural robots for some dumb reason.
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>>1575574
Or we promote gardening as a virtuous deed, promoting people who grow and harvest crops alongside their Mr handy, making the harvest very quick and allowing the person to do their job.
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>>1575576
Why promote gardening. Promote general doing stuff, or following your passion as a virtuous deed. Makes for a happier society.
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>>1575578
Because if a emergency happens knowing how to farm will be a good skill, on top of being self sufficient in food.
My system is a copy of the byzantine system, which was very robust and strong.
http://history-world.org/Byzatines.htm
>Security and wealth encouraged an active political, cultural, and intellectual life. The widespread literacy and education among men and women of various segments of society would not be matched in Europe until, perhaps, eighteenth-century France. Until its fall in 1453, the Byzantine Empire remained a shining fortress, attracting both invaders and merchants.

>Heraclius' system, known as the theme system, had been tested when the emperor had ruled North Africa. Acting on the lessons of the past four centuries, he assumed that defense was a constant need and that free peasant soldiers living in the theme (district) they were defending would be the most effective and efficient force. He installed the system first in Anatolia, and his successors spread it throughout the empire for the next two centuries. Heraclius' scheme provided sound administration and effective defense for half of the cost formerly required. ^3 As long as the theme system with its self-supporting, land-owning, free peasantry endured, Byzantium remained strong. When the theme system and its free peasantry were abandoned in the eleventh century, the empire became weak and vulnerable.
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>>1575590
That seems like a money saving measure by training farmers how to fight, which is a different situation to what we want.
Our army can be as big as we want, and we dont have to scale up food production to match.
Byzantium was not strong because everyone could farm. It was strong because it could feed a strong army.
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>>1575602
>Byzantium was not strong because everyone could farm. It was strong because it could feed a strong army.
A strong army of Land owning, self-supporting peasantry, defending the farm you own from invaders was a really good morale booster. Having our people capable of being both soldiers and farmers in a pinch is extremely valuable.
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>>1575574
Essentially yeah.

>>1575576
Don't do that. That is making them do pointless work...

>>1575578
This.

>>1575590
That is a lovely concept except for a few things:

1) The system is incredibly old and lacks any sorts of ability to deal with the changes since then potentially.

2) The system isn't useful for a modern society: self-dependency is inefficient for a modern industrial society.

3) We don't plan on making use of peasants for the army. Seeing as we plan on making use of a mostly robot force backed by human elites.

>>1575602
Also because of a technological superiority over their neighbours, strong military traditions and a well-founded social order...that was brought down by a decadent royal family towards the end and the invention of the cannon.
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>>1575605
Home and farm is interchangeable for that purpose- people fight hard when their beds and lively hoods are at risk.

As for all our people knowing how to fight, thats a different argument all together, not really applicaple to everyone being a farmer.
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>>1575606
>Don't do that. That is making them do pointless work...
It's not pointless work if it's easy work, i think with our tech it'll take just an hour to harvest and create food from crops with a Mr handy to assist, that leaves lot's of time for jobs and hobbies while promoting self-sufficiency.
>1) The system is incredibly old and lacks any sorts of ability to deal with the changes since then potentially.
What does being old matter? The technological changes since then only helps since it makes farming faster.
>2) The system isn't useful for a modern society: self-dependency is inefficient for a modern industrial society.
No it's not, we'll still have industrial farming with salient green, this just makes our people individually better as well.
>3) We don't plan on making use of peasants for the army. Seeing as we plan on making use of a mostly robot force backed by human elites.
As i said, in case of emergencies, being prepared for the worst is a good policy.
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>>1575613
If things have gotten so bad that the warbots are all gone, then a peasant militia aint gonna do anything
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>>1575617
>If things have gotten so bad that the warbots are all gone, then a peasant militia ain't gonna do anything
Bullshit, if the warbots fall the militia is a good second line of defense. I don't understand why we have to only rely on the warbots.
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>>1575621
The securitrons are worth 20 militia men and number like 1/3 the population. If something can destroy all that they would tear through a decently trained militia.

As time goes on the ratio of bots to man would only increase, meaning if somethibg happens then, then the milia are even worse off.
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>>1575605
A strong army of Land owning, self-supporting peasantry, defending the farm you own from invaders was a really good morale booster. Having our people capable of being both soldiers and farmers in a pinch is extremely valuable.
That may very well be true but:

1) We have not and almost certainly will not have peasantry anytime in the near or distant future. As very few people will ever be employed in farming.

2) The "this land is mine" morale boost doesn't do shit whenever your enemy isn't something you can fight like an artillery barrage. It also doesn't help to take the fight to the enemy.

3) Having our people be soldiers and farmers is kinda annoying. Many people aren't good soldiers and many people aren't good farmers.

4) None of our people own any land and seeing how things are going, that might stay the case.

>>1575613
>It's not pointless work if it's easy work, i think with our tech it'll take just an hour to harvest and create food from crops with a Mr handy to assist, that leaves lot's of time for jobs and hobbies while promoting self-sufficiency.
That is a large amount of time. Approximately one sixth of a school day in my nation. Also our tech makes it so that human harvesting is hugely inefficient.

>What does being old matter? The technological changes since then only helps since it makes farming faster.
It also renders it so that they have no reason to farm: your system was from a era where 96% of humanity was farmers because we needed that many to feed the rest. Now one man can with a few machines produce food for hundreds or even no men and just a few machines.

>No it's not, we'll still have industrial farming with salient green, this just makes our people individually better as well.
Then you are just pointlessly trying to get them to do pointless work. Brain won't like it and our people won't either since tech could do it instead for little cost.

>As i said, in case of emergencies, being prepared for the worst is a good policy.
I know, I am someone who plans on everyone knowing how to use a gun. I don't however think your system is any way effective.
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>>1575624
>The securitrons are worth 20 militia men and number like 1/3 the population. If something can destroy all that they would tear through a decently trained militia.
Unless the weapons they use are only effective on the robots, like using pulse guns and bombs. Certainly not impossible that a enemy is only good against robots.
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>>1575626
>Unless the weapons they use are only effective on the robots, like using pulse guns and bombs. Certainly not impossible that a enemy is only good against robots.
Well how about we consider our potential enemies?

>Legion
Use conventional weapons. Are quite effective against both robots and people.

>NCR
Use conventional weapons. Are quite effective against both robots and people.

>BOS
Use conventional and energy weapons. Are very effective against both robots and people.

>Elijah
Use conventional, theoretical and energy weapons. Are immensely effective against both robots and people.

>Aliens
Use conventional, unknown and energy weapons. Are very effective against both robots and people.
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>>1575626
Anyone that prepared against us specifically would not be detered by a peasant militia.
If they bring that much pulse weaponry, then they're gonna have some good meat killers.
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>>1575625
1) I never said our people will be payed to farm, just that they would farm to make their own food.

2) Morale doesn't work like that, it certainly helps take the fight to the enemy when you say "These guys want to destroy our land and way of life".

3) I recall you want to promote researching as a large human industry despite criticisms of not all people not being good researchers, if you can do that i can make many people good farmers.

4) Haha, no it fucking won't.

>That is a large amount of time. Approximately one sixth of a school day in my nation. Also our tech makes it so that human harvesting is hugely inefficient.
1 hour for farming, 6 hours for education or job, 5 hours for personal time, that's not bad. And it's not about efficiency, it's about promoting self sufficiency among our people.
>It also renders it so that they have no reason to farm: your system was from a era where 96% of humanity was farmers because we needed that many to feed the rest. Now one man can with a few machines produce food for hundreds or even no men and just a few machines.
Again, the reason for Subsistence agriculture is to promote self sufficiency.
>Then you are just pointlessly trying to get them to do pointless work. Brain won't like it and our people won't either since tech could do it instead for little cost.
It's not pointless work if it teaches them a valuable skill.
>I know, I am someone who plans on everyone knowing how to use a gun. I don't however think your system is any way effective.
I disagree.
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>>1575652
Farming isnt easy work. You cant farm enough to feed a family of 4 good food all the time with 1 hour a day, unless you automate most of the process. At which point, people would just automate the rest.
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>>1575638
That's not how it works. If our robot army can withstand against those weapons, which they have to if we plan to fight them, than so can our people by giving them equivalent weapons and armor. And you don't take into account weapons that are more effective at specific enemies like the pulse weapons or tactics that take advantage of inherent flaws.
If the robots fall because the enemy exploited a unique weakness they can't do the same with humans.
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>>1575655
Then we make it easy work by using our technology, hell didn't we have an option for crops that harvested themselves once, if we can do that shit why is 1 hour of farming to feed 4 impossible?
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>>1575660
Armour is heavy. Robots can be much stronger than a human, at roughly the same size. Therefore you can put bigger guns and heavier armour on a robot.

Well power armour closes the gap, be we cant build those right now.
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>>1575664
At that point the farmer does pretty much nothing, and learns nothing. Either they spend little time and learn little from the endeavor, or they spend lots of time learning alot.
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>>1575652
>1) I never said our people will be payed to farm, just that they would farm to make their own food.
Then the majority won't do it.

>2) Morale doesn't work like that, it certainly helps take the fight to the enemy when you say "These guys want to destroy our land and way of life".
Morale does work like that. People can fight shit they can see based off of such simple motivations but only training and I mean proper military training can make troops hold against unstoppable enemies and other such threats.

>3) I recall you want to promote researching as a large human industry despite criticisms of not all people not being good researchers, if you can do that i can make many people good farmers.
Because it's easy to automate every job except research. I would automate that too but then humans would have essentially nothing to do and most people seemingly want humanity gainfully employed so they must be researchers. It also helps that humans are creative, unlike most robots and such.

>4) Haha, no it fucking won't.
It very well might, seeing as they haven't raised any issues with it.

>1 hour for farming, 6 hours for education or job, 5 hours for personal time, that's not bad. And it's not about efficiency, it's about promoting self sufficiency among our people.
>It's not pointless work if it teaches them a valuable skill.
>Again, the reason for Subsistence agriculture is to promote self sufficiency.
Except you are teaching them a pointless skill. Since if they are in civilisation, then we will have our automated farming and if they aren't then chances are there won't be any farms.

>I disagree.
Well that is lovely.

>>1575660
>That's not how it works. If our robot army can withstand against those weapons,
They can't.

>which they have to if we plan to fight them,
Not really. Robots are good at the whole endless waves thing.

>than so can our people by giving them equivalent weapons and armor.
True except for the fact that humans die to so much more shit, like radiation and that equivalent weapons and armour would weigh, quite possibly literal, tons.

>And you don't take into account weapons that are more effective at specific enemies like the pulse weapons or tactics that take advantage of inherent flaws.
That is your opinion, pulse weapons are rare.

>If the robots fall because the enemy exploited a unique weakness they can't do the same with humans.
I didn't know that a weakness to massive kinetic, heat or electrical energy transfers was unique to robots...oh wait, that is because it isn't!
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>>1575666
>Armour is heavy.
Then why the hell did we discuss about making human armor before?
>Well power armour closes the gap, be we cant build those right now.
We couldn't build Hexcrete either but we're about to, can do the same with power armor.
>>1575668
I didn't say we use the self harvesting crops, i just mentioned them as an example of the advanced stuff we can do to speed harvesting up.
>Either they spend little time and learn little from the endeavor, or they spend lots of time learning alot.
People who use sprinklers still know how water is important for crops, same with tractors instead of sickles, spending little time doesn't mean they learn little.
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>>1575683
>Then why the hell did we discuss about making human armor before?
Because we want to have human elites and we kinda need a way of protecting any troops we do make.

>We couldn't build Hexcrete either but we're about to, can do the same with power armor.
You are comparing a good form of concrete to one of the most advanced forms of armour of the pre-war world. Something that was so advanced that even the Brotherhood of steel with their knowledge of the old world couldn't reproduce. Something that only the Enclave had any capability to improve or produce.

>People who use sprinklers still know how water is important for crops, same with tractors instead of sickles, spending little time doesn't mean they learn little.
It kinda does since they learn no useful skills. You know, the entire reason that you want to have them do this.
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>>1575683
We talked about human armour because we want human specialists, and they would need armour. But bots would be frontline.

Then offer a class. Probably works better than hoping they catch on. Or give them a manual.
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>>1574306
These guns are built in with some sort of very advanced reverse engineering self defense mechanism. Really annoying, but not impossible. You can use scans to gain brief glimpses of the internals at a time, but have to tactically choose which elements you want. Your best and brightest believe that with the supply on hand, they can theoretically engineer one of the following weapons into a design that can be readily manufactured by existing means.

CHOOSE:
>An "Idiot Proof Mounted Video Sniper Rifle"

It's some sort of extremely advanced sniper rifle, it has a special miniature TV on it with a powerful telescope. You look at the little TV and aim at a target up to 1200 yards, and mark it on the TV. Then it does all the necessary calculations of trajectory, and adjusts a pair of crosshairs. You have to hold down the trigger, and the moment you line up the crosshair of the gun with that of the TV it fires. Accurately. 100% of the time.

You've tested it, even a little boy who'se never fired a gun before hit a radscorpion in the eyes at 1000 yards.

Drawbacks are that it works best on stationary targets, moving targets and only when the sniper themselves are not on the move, and is most effective when mounted on a tripod. This makes it ideal for robots and defensive positions.

>Gun Shield

Its some sort of attachable module that you can put on a gun and projects a decently sized shield around it, protecting the upper torso and head. It requires energy, but can be seen through effectively acting as a gun shield

>Bolt Gun

Its a heavy weapon, it would take someone with a lot of strength to carry and fire. Riddick calls it a bolt gun, and says its from another Galaxy. It fires special high explosive rounds tipped with a solid penetrator and has special propulsion charges. It actually speeds up, not slows down, as it leaves the gun and buries itself inside a target to explode for heavy damage.

>Maliwan Elementals

This is one of the few energy weapons they have, although technically its also conventional. It has a special energy draining module that converts bullets. There's stuff here for acid, fire, electricity, and explosive all from normal old bullets.

>Energy to Bullets

A replicator! This one turns energy into conventional bullet ammunition! Its close enough to existing knowledge of the Sierra Madre machines to reproduce, and doesn't require radioactive isotopes!

It does guzzle energy like crazy though. On the upshot it can be shrunk down to fit into most standard assault rifles and even future designs, meaning you can power them with energy cells or hook them up to generators instead

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Due to such immense reverse engineering difficulties, its unlikely you will ever be able to further modify or enlarge most of these weapons, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be potent even in their existing form.
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>>1575680
>Then the majority won't do it.
Why?
>Morale does work like that. People can fight shit they can see based off of such simple motivations but only training and I mean proper military training can make troops hold against unstoppable enemies and other such threats.
You mean like our trained militia? Or Guerrilla fighters composed of armed civilians? They don't need to see the white of their eyes to want to fight them dude.
>Except you are teaching them a pointless skill. Since if they are in civilisation, then we will have our automated farming and if they aren't then chances are there won't be any farms.
>What is the collapse of civilization.
>What is the collapse of the agricultural industry.
If the automated farming falls it will be good for our people to know who to farm for themselves.
I was looking for a specific infograph about a guy who survives a social collapse for this but i can't find it.
>They can't.
Yes they can, they could shrug off Legion fire in the Hover dam battle unless ganged up on.
>That is your opinion, pulse weapons are rare.
The god damn Legion used then in the battle.
>I didn't know that a weakness to massive kinetic, heat or electrical energy transfers was unique to robots...oh wait, that is because it isn't!
>Ignoring pulse weapons and the securitron wheel weakness this much.
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>>1575740
>Gun Shield


Give our robots this shit and we can have them form a shield wall and block shit. Hell if a securitron can have one on each shoulder / arm they could probably form a roman testudo.
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>>1575740
I'm partial to the bolter
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>>1575740
Yo QM,

>Energy to Bullets
We have the energy for this right? And if we have enough can we use it to produce steel or convert this into a energy into metal thing?

>Gun Shield
Do our bots have enough energy to use these effectively?

>Bolt Gun
Can our robots successful 'poof' this ammo into existance with there internal weapon factorys?
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>>1575691
>Because we want to have human elites and we kinda need a way of protecting any troops we do make.
We were also going to put them on infantry, why can't we put them on Militia too?

>You are comparing a good form of concrete to one of the most advanced forms of armour of the pre-war world.
A form of concrete created by the Big MT, and that can survive nuclear blasts, it was a challenge for us and the followers.
>You and the Followers spend time watching holotape recordings on the production of cement, which is the most complicated part of the actual concrete manufacturing process, learning chemical equations and pairing them up with actual processes. What took the NCR decades, you are doing in weeks.
>It dawns upon you that to make cement, particularly the type for Hexcrete, even on a small scale you're going to need numerous steel production components, from large kilns (and related blast furnace technology) to conveyor belts and a small chemical mill.
>It's complicated, and your followers scramble to try and keep up with you on organizing it. Even your incredible intellect finds it a challenge, but your Brain loves it.

>It kinda does since they learn no useful skills. You know, the entire reason that you want to have them do this.
They still learn the useful skill, i just explained why with the sprinklers.
>>1575692
>Then offer a class. Probably works better than hoping they catch on. Or give them a manual.
I was going to offer the classes to, by applying what they learn there in their daily lives they would learn very quickly.
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>>1575773
>We have the energy for this right?
For now yes
>And if we have enough can we use it to produce steel or convert this into a energy into metal thing?
Not likely, are least, not effectively on that scale. Possible but not in the near future by any means.

>Do our bots have enough energy to use these effectively?
Yes, somewhat.

When you fire at it, it drains energy to repell the bullet. So there are limitations. Bigger bullets and blasts draw more energy obv.

>Can our robots successful 'poof' this ammo into existance with there internal weapon factorys?
Yes
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>>1575783
okay, What mark of bolter is this ?

As in Space marine Pre/post HH, or Human bolter? Honestly its a shame we didn't get a flashlight. Those things are superior to ours and easy as fuck to make.
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>>1575759
>Why?
Because there is little incentive. They aren't being payed to and they are getting food anyway. If they want better food then they will buy it off of someone who produces a large surplus of that food stuff because of capitalist interest. Not because of self-sufficiency.

>You mean like our trained militia? Or Guerrilla fighters composed of armed civilians?
Kinda.

>They don't need to see the white of their eyes to want to fight them dude.
To want to shoot the enemy? No. To do so? Yes.

They aren't going to hold as the enemy fires barrage after barrage into their position. They aren't going to stand whenever they've just seen half their squad die. They aren't going to hold position in a fighting retreat without questioning orders. They aren't going to be as useful.

>What is the collapse of civilization.
An event that occurred and will most likely not occur again in our character's life time.

>What is the collapse of the agricultural industry.
A almost impossible event. Seeing as that would require the complete elimination of all farmable crops and shit.

>If the automated farming falls it will be good for our people to know who to farm for themselves.
Which they would. The fundamental concepts of farming aren't exactly hard to grasp you know. Shit I've grown potatoes and shit before no bother and no prior training.

Also you act as if our people are going to suddenly, unless we follow your system, starve in large numbers if our industry fails. When chances are they would either fix the problem, spread out or start farming conventionally with the knowledge that is part of our education system.

>I was looking for a specific infograph about a guy who survives a social collapse for this but i can't find it.
I have almost certainly seen it, wouldn't have involved him filling people's lighters up with new fluid would it?

>Yes they can, they could shrug off Legion fire in the Hover dam battle unless ganged up on.
Except when they used rocket launchers, thermal lances, chainsaws or any other weapon they specifically brought to take down our troops...

>The god damn Legion used then in the battle.
The legion knew that House would get involved, had access to entire states worth of resources, was concentrating everything they had on the Dam and was in the favour of the dice gods with multiple ones granting them everything they might have wanted.

>Ignoring pulse weapons and the securitron wheel weakness this much.
Pulse weapons are rare, hard to maintain and use rare ammo since no one is making new energy cells out in the wastes for the most part.

As to the weakness of their wheel, so what? Human legs get crippled quite easily as well.
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>>1575783
Is the gunshield one way? If i shot past our guy from behind, does the bullet deflect into his face?
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>>1575793
The securitrons are top heavy with a small base. Not good for balance. But we can redesign our front line robot. Maybe something more humanoid- like MECs from xcom 2
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>>1575806
>Securitons are top heavy
>Not once prove to be an issue.
They are fine as is

>MEC's from X-com 2
Ohboy, If i remember correctly that's a fucking head attached to a body ain't it?
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>>1575814
no that's MEC trooper from xcom 1. MEC from XCOM 2 is just a bipedal robot.
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>>1575774
>We were also going to put them on infantry, why can't we put them on Militia too?
Wait. So you plan on giving every adult in our nation a functioning suit of our (powered) battle armour? How in the fuck do you plan on funding that? Not to mention the difficulty in powering all those suits and the massive difficulty in training every person to use them.

>A form of concrete created by the Big MT, and that can survive nuclear blasts
Can I get a source on that?

>it was a challenge for us and the followers.
The followers aren't exactly miracle workers and we are one man. Not to mention all the other reasons like us getting a good roll just about made this possible.

>They still learn the useful skill, i just explained why with the sprinklers.
Wow! They learn that living things need water! How fucking useful that will be!


>>1575806
A terrible idea. They work fine from what we have seen in game and are capable of moving quickly thanks to their wheel.

If you are settled on changing their design, we should move them over to a robo-brain lower body of some sort. As they are tracked, manoeuvrable and stable.
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>>1575740
Could the replicator advance our research into replicators? If yes, then I vote for that
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>>1575816
Ah, X-com2 had me lose interest in it about...4? hours in. So thanks. However those are massive. Secrutrions are good as cops.
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>>1575816
Too many joints, hands are too complex, open joints are at risk of jamming with debris, exposed wiring / servos are too easy to eliminate and use of a head is pointlessly dangerous for your sensor systems.
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>>1575740
>Energy to Bullets
The logistical benefits of this are too great to ignore.

We will have to build power cells and generators for other parts of our society, but this way we never have to worry about adding an ammunition industry.

Additionally, the logistics strain of conquest will be significant lessened.
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>>1575824
True but it strains the energy reserves of our nation even further and makes the potential to take advantage of enemy ammo stocks far less.


Also the gun shields is really useful.
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>>1575822
well it was more for the reference. And its not like securitrons are perfect with the antennae sticking in the air and the cathode tube monitor as a face. They also would get stopped by a waist high wall.

We could cover the wiring and servo bits, change the head abit. The MEC's would be better at uneven terrain due to having feet, and would have better balance, being able to jump a story high and fall down more than that.
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>>1575827
Honestly, if microfusion cells had come out sooner. The old world would've been fine. We can much easier handle power requirements then anything else.
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>>1575793
>Because there is little incentive. They aren't being payed to and they are getting food anyway. If they want better food then they will buy it off of someone who produces a large surplus of that food stuff because of capitalist interest. Not because of self-sufficiency.
They are getting shitty tasting rations and see personal farming as a virtue, that's enough incentive.
>They aren't going to hold as the enemy fires barrage after barrage into their position. They aren't going to stand whenever they've just seen half their squad die. They aren't going to hold position in a fighting retreat without questioning orders. They aren't going to be as useful.
They will if we promote strong nationalism like the NCR.
>An event that occurred and will most likely not occur again in our character's life time.
The courier has had his lifespan extended to 200 years, most great civilizations, as noted by Sir John Glubb, live only about 200-250 years.
>A almost impossible event. Seeing as that would require the complete elimination of all farmable crops and shit.
You don't need to render the land infertile to destroy a agricultural industry.
>Which they would. The fundamental concepts of farming aren't exactly hard to grasp you know. Shit I've grown potatoes and shit before no bother and no prior training.
Then why did you say most people won't be good farmers? If you can grow potatoes our citizens can grow crops for themselves and their family.
>I have almost certainly seen it, wouldn't have involved him filling people's lighters up with new fluid would it?
Yes.
>Except when they used rocket launchers, thermal lances, chainsaws or any other weapon they specifically brought to take down our troops...
Again, they used that against isolated Securitrons.
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>>1575796
Its a standard barrier shield, it blocks both ways
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>>1575839
answer to this? >>1575787
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Rolled 72 (1d100)

>>1575740
Voting Energy to Bullets.

Excellent for defensive positions that can be attached to a power source, or for making forward operating bases very difficult to overcome. Combine this with hexcrete, and even basic robotics knowledge and we can set up ridiculously good defenses as of right now. We can literally seal a gun inside a pillbox and run a power line out to it and never have to worry.
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>>1575833
That's only because you're in BigMT.

If something happens to your dual Geothermal/nuclear reactor that would be VERY bad for you.

Pity you don't have hoover dam. It easily outpaces even BigMT's power source.

Well, when it worked.
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>>1575817
>Wait. So you plan on giving every adult in our nation a functioning suit of our (powered) battle armour? How in the fuck do you plan on funding that? Not to mention the difficulty in powering all those suits and the massive difficulty in training every person to use them.
No, we seemed to have agreed to give infantry full body armor(I believe that includes militia), snazzy uniforms for non combat rolls and combine armor/sleek stealthy armor for tactical teams.
>Can I get a source on that?
Thread 7
>You're in luck too. You find information on the Hexcrete Archipelago and information on the project. Seems BigMT was experimenting with a new type of extremely strong reinforced concrete, in a bid to make structures able to survive the blast. It is chemically similar to concrete, but with several select additions to the cement mixing process, both of which are well documented.
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>>1575831
>well it was more for the reference. And its not like securitrons are perfect with the antennae sticking in the air and the cathode tube monitor as a face. They also would get stopped by a waist high wall.
Most of that is because they were meant to be House's face into the world and a actual face helps. Also they have rockets, they can destroy that wall.

>We could cover the wiring and servo bits, change the head abit. The MEC's would be better at uneven terrain due to having feet, and would have better balance, being able to jump a story high and fall down more than that.
That would work a bit better.

>>1575833
>Honestly, if microfusion cells had come out sooner. The old world would've been fine. We can much easier handle power requirements then anything else.
Honestly we can't. Especially as our civilisation ramps up.

>>1575835
>They are getting shitty tasting rations and see personal farming as a virtue, that's enough incentive.
That might work assuming they wanted something more than food and if they actually saw farming like that. Which they don't as it isn't part of the culture's they came from.

>They will if we promote strong nationalism like the NCR.
The NCR doesn't have it's people fighting on the front-line. It has troops fighting there.

>The courier has had his lifespan extended to 200 years, most great civilizations, as noted by Sir John Glubb, live only about 200-250 years.
As I stated when that example was given by someone else as a reference, that man as much as I may respect his theories, isn't in line with common thought. Not that that means he is wrong. But in this matter I will go with the body of historians and state that his theories regarding a relation between sexual degeneracy and civil decline are inaccurate.

>You don't need to render the land infertile to destroy a agricultural industry.
You kinda do assuming you mean to stop the people from farming.

>Then why did you say most people won't be good farmers? If you can grow potatoes our citizens can grow crops for themselves and their family.
Because I got bored as fuck with it in about five days? Because the harvest I got was enough for a few meals and compared to the effort put in, not worth it? Because there is no part of me that looks back on it thinks that was a good use of time?

>Yes.
Then I would point out that in that example, agriculture was still an industry. As the rest of the world kept on ticking. Not to mention I remember reading something about it all being a bullshit story on that guy's part.

>Again, they used that against isolated Securitrons.
Nope. They used it against the force we had at the Dam which was roughly 100+. I can't remember how many we lost when the Dam got blown.
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>>1575787
Perinetus Pattern Semi-Auto fire only for average humans. Augmented humans and machines can fire full auto.
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>>1575850
>No, we seemed to have agreed to give infantry full body armor(I believe that includes militia), snazzy uniforms for non combat rolls and combine armor/sleek stealthy armor for tactical teams.
Somewhat correct. The armour was to be powered if I remember however. The point still stands that you want us to create, maintain and train our entire nation to use our combat armour?


>Thread 7
I would point out nowhere in that quote does it say they were successful. In fact one could argue the phrase "in a bid" and word "experimenting" would imply they were not successful.
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>>1575860
thanks QM.

>>1575740
Voting >Energy to Bullets
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>>1575740
>energy to bullets

>>1575847
Huh. I guess things have changed then
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Also something I just realised.


We should really see about setting all the lights throughout our city to the "smart light" frequencies. As the in-game benefits are great and thus the benefits for our people would be too.
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>>1575857
>That might work assuming they wanted something more than food and if they actually saw farming like that. Which they don't as it isn't part of the culture's they came from.
They're getting shitty tasting rations, they obviously would want more tasty food, and we're currently establishing a new culture.
>The NCR doesn't have it's people fighting on the front-line. It has troops fighting there.
I believe the NCR, pre Hover battle, trained their soldiers for only a week, that's basically the same training for a militia.
>As I stated when that example was given by someone else as a reference, that man as much as I may respect his theories, isn't in line with common thought. Not that that means he is wrong. But in this matter I will go with the body of historians and state that his theories regarding a relation between sexual degeneracy and civil decline are inaccurate.
I disagree, having a majority agreement doesn't mean it's right.
>Because I got bored as fuck with it in about five days? Because the harvest I got was enough for a few meals and compared to the effort put in, not worth it? Because there is no part of me that looks back on it thinks that was a good use of time?
That's your opinion.
>Nope. They used it against the force we had at the Dam which was roughly 100+. I can't remember how many we lost when the Dam got blown.
Wrong.
>Not quite invincible, but a deadly force, by far more powerful than any BoS Paladin, turning men into piles of guts and gore with grenade blasts and rockets, or into slabs of charred meat with gatling lasers.
>They are some casualties, primarily whenever a securitron is caught alone and ganged up upon by any of their centurions and decani bearing power thermic lances, power sledges, or ballistic fists, and as well as Anti-Matrial rifles, aiming for weak spots like their wheels or their arms. The securitrons are hardy and shrug off hits from single men, but ambushed they can be overwhelmed and destroyed, particularly whenever legion centurions lob pulse grenades or they step on a mine disorienting them. But these casualties are minimal as the the combined and cohesive force works its way down the dam, linking up with cheering NCR forces who rally behind them as they begin sweeping the legion to their cursed tunnels from where they seem to have made their deadly flanking attack.
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>>1575882
And then when you're ready for more pop, set them all to Light Bulb 02
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>>1575867
>Somewhat correct. The armour was to be powered if I remember however.
I don't know if we decided to make the armor powered, i recall mention of exoskeletal armor but there was no mention of it in the QM post.
>The point still stands that you want us to create, maintain and train our entire nation to use our combat armour?
Yes and it's not that difficult as you make it out to be, the NCR has been equipping their troops with armor.
>I would point out nowhere in that quote does it say they were successful. In fact one could argue the phrase "in a bid" and word "experimenting" would imply they were not successful.
True and i did ask QM before if they could truly withstand nuclear blasts but it's still advanced concrete invented by the Big MT.
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>>1575889
>They're getting shitty tasting rations, they obviously would want more tasty food
Want yes, work towards excessively when they could just...not? For the majority no.

>we're currently establishing a new culture.
That we are but if you feel you can shift a culture so dramatically I think I'll watch here from the sidelines. Right after you turn some water into wine, walk on water, find me a wife and fix the EU. In order of difficulty.

>I believe the NCR, pre Hover battle, trained their soldiers for only a week, that's basically the same training for a militia.
Nope. They train for longer than that. 3 weeks if I remember rightly.

>I disagree, having a majority agreement doesn't mean it's right.
I already stated that fact in the statement you seemingly copy and pasted without comprehending the whole meaning of.

>That's your opinion.
No, that is my experience. Something you were using as a logical reason why people would like to farm. Don't abandon it now that it is working against you.

>Wrong.
Correct. However I'd point out my original statement is right: it wasn't against isolated securitrons. Just outnumbered ones. Which is something they are going to be for a long time.
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>>1575857
Faces are inefficient in war. Securitrons should be used as they are named, for security- policing. We would want dedicated Warbots.

The MEC's have a back mounted mortar.

>>1575889
You want us to grow good, food, which they know is good, turn it into crap food and give that to them? We showed them you can make pretty much any vegetable out of sailent. They won't accept it if we purposefully make it into flavourless swill.

The conscripts trained for a week sucked balls. Any militia we train for that long wouldn't be worth giving equipment to.

Majority opinion of historians is different than majority opinion of laymen.

If they are using AM Rifles, then they would be able to take out our robots even if they are in a gang. The range would allow them to do a firing retreat without fear of being shot at.
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>>1575912
>I don't know if we decided to make the armor powered, i recall mention of exoskeletal armor but there was no mention of it in the QM post.
I'd check the archive but I am very tired.

>Yes and it's not that difficult as you make it out to be, the NCR has been equipping their troops with armor.
Yes. Their TROOPS with armour. Not their entire adult population.

>True and i did ask QM before if they could truly withstand nuclear blasts but it's still advanced concrete invented by the Big MT.
I never said it wasn't good concrete. You were however comparing it with a highly advanced, cutting edge even, piece of military hardware as if they were two bird of a feather.
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>>1575921
You are correct but we need to understand the House never planned for them to need to fight a actual war. Just a policing action or two.


I know about the mortar, I played the game. I fucking hate those bloody things.
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>>1575917
>Want yes, work towards excessively when they could just...not? For the majority no.
Incorrect, people like tasting good food, the majority would start farming for better tasting food.
>Nope. They train for longer than that. 3 weeks if I remember rightly.
Right, it's 2-to-3 weeks, still quite a short training regiment.
>I already stated that fact in the statement you seemingly copy and pasted without comprehending the whole meaning of.
I know, I'm just stating my disagreement for the others.
>No, that is my experience. Something you were using as a logical reason why people would like to farm. Don't abandon it now that it is working against you.
And other people will have developed a different opinion after experiencing the same thing.
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>>1575929
or riot. Rioting is an option when the government can grow masses of food, but doesn't.

The Conscripts were shit.
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>>1575921
>You want us to grow good, food, which they know is good, turn it into crap food and give that to them? We showed them you can make pretty much any vegetable out of sailent. They won't accept it if we purposefully make it into flavourless swill.
If we're growing the food and giving it to them then yes, if the try to act like entitled shit then that's too bad.
>The conscripts trained for a week sucked balls. Any militia we train for that long wouldn't be worth giving equipment to.
Then let's train the militias for longer than a week.
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>>1575932
I didn't know our Citizens were from a ghetto.
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>>1575939
Well we wont be able to force them to grow food. There would probably be one guy who starts growing everyone's food.
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>>1575929
>Incorrect, people like tasting good food, the majority would start farming for better tasting food.
We already have showed them how to turn it into better tasting food. Outside of meat potentially and other such things, they can make good food no matter what we do.

>Right, it's 2-to-3 weeks, still quite a short training regiment.
American basic training can last at most 52 or so weeks. For a post apoc. military it's a reasonable length.

>I know, I'm just stating my disagreement for the others.
Fair enough.

>And other people will have developed a different opinion after experiencing the same thing.
Potentially but I would consider myself a well adapted and normal individual.


>>1575943
They literally are but even if they weren't, it's not unreasonable to riot for that reason.
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>>1575943
Most of them have lived in a Ghetto twice, both Westside and The Boxcars

That said Boxcars is a lot more livable than Westside. . .but also has its disadvantages.
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>>1575969
Well, Westside/Freeside

Anyway Moses you've brought the Mana and the flowing water, but it's not exactly the Egyptian fleshpots that New Vegas was. Luckily you've got a big ass rod in the form of the Securitrons.
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>>1575956
True, that's why we will encourage farming as a virtue.
>>1575957
>We already have showed them how to turn it into better tasting food. Outside of meat potentially and other such things, they can make good food no matter what we do.
Can salient green food be turned back into salient green?
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>>1575975
>Can salient green food be turned back into salient green?
Dunno.
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>>1575975
>Can salient green food be turned back into salient green?
Yes, at a material loss. Dont know why you'd do it.

>>1575957
>We already have showed them how to turn it into better tasting food. Outside of meat potentially and other such things, they can make good food no matter what we do.
Weeeeelll the thing about that is it takes a GOOD cook to turn it into even decent food. Otherwise you've got warmed slop for the average person. Still, its sustenance.

Furthermore people have to rely on campfires and old pots. It'd help to have stoves and proper kitchens

That is sort of why they want the Cafeteria.
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>>1575975
you may be surprised at how many people don't really live virtuous lives.

yes. its functionally identical to the real deal
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>>1575982
>you may be surprised at how many people don't really live virtuous lives.
I already know.
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home sweet home, now to finish that update
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>>1575824
>>1575846
>>1575880
>>1575877
Congratulations! You have a new Technology!

+Energy to Bullets.

Make further research actions to apply them specifically such as to a new type of firearm, existing robots, or make a bullet factory.
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Must go to sleep. Repeating my request: send a detachment of Securitrons to secure the mining town. Even if we don't actually make use of it.


Please!


Also, consider getting more food, fuel and Hexcete production underway. Then preferably build some nice apartment blocks.


When I get back I'll do some apartment designs or something. Assuming OP will give bonuses for detailed floor plans...
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>>1576048
Oh yes, I definitely will.

Pity you tend to head off when I tend to go home.
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>>1576025
Dones't this open up the chance to do energy = metals ? via RnD?
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>>1576065
The first thought that popped up in my head when you said that was Dyson swarm.
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>>1576065
Not currently. For now its a dead end.
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>>1576070
How come? We clearly understand that because Energy would have to become said metal right?
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>>1576073
You understand how to copy the design, the exact physical mechanism and translating it to other uses is, well frankly, alien and beyond you or your brain.

Maybe if you had more of that specific brand of alien tech to study.
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>>1576079
Oh my fucking god, we're the Tech priests.
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>>1574255
>>Military - build up defenses like sand bags and stuff at the springs.
Better than just entrenchments like sandbags and trenches, your Brain has the Securitrons do a far more sophisticated tactic.

Playing dead.

A few skeletons here, some dropped weapons there, sand to bury a couple of Securitrons there, and the rest hide in houses. They'll never know what hit them!
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>>1574255
>Hero - Spend time with the kid while reading and maintaining our kit.

Its their birthday.

no, it's HER birthday.

She did it. After so many months. . .she looks like a normal human baby! (mostly)

You're overwhelmed with joy, and Unity is also happy. She laughs as you pick up your child, and have muggy bring in a fresh cake to have blow out the candle.

"Daddy".

She calls you Daddy.

You wonder. . .what should you call her?

>Do you want to give her a name

---

You spend the next few days reading to your child and maintaining your equipment. Normally you let Raul do this because repairing is a pain in the ass, but this is one of those times you don't mind a little handiwork.

She repeats your words as you point to pictures.

"Braaahmin" "Man" "Eagle"

Unity asks how things are going, and you mention the upcoming celebrations. The cement plant is going swimmingly and should be done any day, after that you're going to host a mighty celebration to signal the founding of the Pheonix Comonwealth.

>Unity
"I think that would be a lovely. You should bring our daughter."

That's a good question, you think yourself.

>Should we?

Meanwhile, as you are fixing up your things, you notice some parts are missing. As you look around for them, you turn to see your little one year old girl holding them for you.

Assembled.

Slightly chewed.

You smile and take them back. She put a receiver back together. How did she do that?
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>>1576298
Today is the day!

The last pieces are put into place, and the sun rises on BigMT's first new proper structure since the Great War.

Your very own, small, functional Hexcrete Plant! Its more magnificent and grand than ever, and you've built it in record time.

Already your engineers pour the first batches of material, and soon enough by the end of the day, you are holding the glorious grey dust in your hand. Ready to be forged into buildings of your choosing.

Just add water. Lots of it.

THE SMALL AUTOMATED HEXCRETE FACTORY IS COMPLETE!

As an added 100 bonus its also been hugely automated, meaning it won't require a mass amount of people to operate. All thanks to the Brain. Pour the materials in, Hexcrete comes out!

This is major transition for your people, for now great constructive undertakings can be done. Perhaps this IS a time for celebration and a proper founding!
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>>1576347
now we can actually start building housing, holy shit.
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>>>>>Food: Plentiful (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}
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---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
200 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 56
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Rolled 56 (1d100)

>>1576448
>hero
Journey to the west- look at the NCR heartlands- get a feel for the pres and the politics
>civ
research the alien disintegrators
>construction
create a cafeteria/bar/lounge type place.
>military
send a contingent of securitrons to secure that north mining town.
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>>1576298
Name her Sam. That's what i suggested way back when
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>>1576448
>Hero.
I dunno.
>Civ.
Celebrate the completion of the Hexcrete factory.
>construction.
begin building Hemp farms and other fuel crops in Newberry.
>Militia.
Claim Trona and begin patrolling it.
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Rolled 66 (1d100)

>>1576448
>Hero - Have Riddick and yourself go get the other UFO if possible or atleast scrab everything you can from it.

>Military - joint miilitary excuses with Chinks

>Construction - Build an ammo plant

>Civ - Celebrate the completion of the Hexcrete factory and the slow grind towards a real future.
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>>1576521
Actually, there is that town of Ridgecrest where the plane was spotted, let's go investigate that for our hero action.
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>>1576535
There's another UFO?
And i must recommend we claim Trona and expand our fuel production, it's critical we do.
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>>1576539
The one the merc's used?

Also, We can't go out and claim shit without fixing our military command structure or ready to fight off the Legion/NCR.
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>>1576535
the tech we have allows bullet guns to take enrgy gun power cells. Its an add on to the gun
>>1576539
you should roll
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Rolled 37 (1d100)

>>1576550
>The one the merc's used?
That one got wrecked, probably can't fly, i think we should go see if it's recoverable later. >>1573144
>Also, We can't go out and claim shit without fixing our military command structure or ready to fight off the Legion/NCR.
Our military doesn't need fixing that badly, we have
>51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
>11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
>25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
>22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
>30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
>+20 Super Mutants
>+20 NightKin
>300 Securitrons MK2
And that's enough for now, just send a few robots to Trona this turn and we'll resume military training next turn.
>>1576554
Sorry, i'm forgetful.
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>>1576554
You can probably research a tinny ammo generator though, enough to suit your immediate non-robot military. At least on a defensive.
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>>1576561
>Our military doesn't need fixing that badly, we have
Plus we have our Chinese vassals, who have those stealth spec ops.
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>>1576561
Thats not enough on the off chance we have a full scale battle. We'd lose in any major drawn out war. Ontop of that, we need to get our Slant eyes and actual soldiers working together.
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Morning. Have a few hours right now.
>>1576506
1 for this
>>1576521
1 for this
>>1576535
1 for this

Anyone else gonna vote?
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>>1577328
>Anyone else gonna vote?
Hm.. I'm not sure what to vote for.
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>>1577328
Change >>1576506
hero action to retrieve as much of the crashed ship as possible
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>>1577328
>>1577401
This works. Support.
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>>1577401
Vote
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>>1577425
>>1577419
>>1577401
LOCKED

Writing
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>>1577401
Unfortunately, personal inspection by you and Riddick reveal that the Bounty Hunter's ship was severely burned and molten in the crash, leaving most of the internal components and any further loot wasted. It wasn't so much the C-Finder or even the original explosion. The FTL drive leaked out and caused a huge meltdown.

Still, Ridick says with a "lot" of work, it could fly again. If not to the upper atmosphere, then at least as a long range aircraft.

But its too heavy to move by any current means, even welding and dismantling it one at a time.
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>>1576506
>civ
Research the alien disintegrators

Lucky for you the Chinese Have already made some vested research into this! Or at least Jurry Rigging. You get some of their info on the matte for your own Weapons R&D

When I get home after work, I'll be drawing alien weapon parts and see if you guys want to come up with additional gun designs!
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>>1576506
>send a contingent of securitrons to secure that north mining town.
You send a group of securitrons to Trona, and they arrive there without much incidence.

However there are some problems that show up.

The vast distance to get there, almost the length of NV, is just barely in reach of even BigMT's upgraded Tower.

They still have direct function, but now and then even slightest dust storms cause interruptions in communications. Still, the Securitrons default to standard protection programming when cut off, but this poses surveillance issues.
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>>1576506
You only have a relatively small amount of Hexcrete Bags. You can make a small public kitchen, to cook and dole out warm food to the public in a food line. People would still really like that over what they eat now.

CHOOSE:
>This is fine
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
>Compromise and make a Sheet Steel building instead, with proper concrete foundations. Could always renovate it later.
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>>1577459
>>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
Cafeteria for Americans and Chinese?
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>>1577459
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
Go big or go home i guess
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>>1577459
>>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>1577630
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>>1577436
Told you it was wrecked.
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>>1577459
Quick question, does building a school teach people how to cook Salient green?
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>>1577459
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead


I would provide those floor plans I promised but my computer is on the fritz. Complaining about "the handle is invalid".
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>>1577459
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
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>>1578111
Either a school or a cafeteria

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>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
[LOCKED]

Still writing
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>>1578306
Then i vote we built a school instead to get the bonus of being capable of teaching about other subjects as well as cooking.
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>>1578308
Except with a centralised food production facility we can institute better controls over quality and nutrition. Not to mention being able to increase productivity by having official meal and work times.

Also a large portion of our education seemingly is field work or going to be mental / physical tasks. Really all we need is a assault course / playground for P.E, botanical gardens / array of plants for survival / farming / medical training, a gun locker for teaching them maintenance and a few whiteboards or something for math.
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Not the same as a handmade custom floor plan, but this one looks serviceable for a cafeteria. What do anons think?
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>>1578319
>Except with a centralised food production facility we can institute better controls over quality and nutrition. Not to mention being able to increase productivity by having official meal and work times.
True, but good education does that too, and we don't need the cafeteria to establish official meal and work times, pretty sure all our Citizens are already working for us so just give them a schedule.
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>>1578326
It's good, looks like a school cafeteria.
Actually how about we combine the buildings? Set up the cafeteria first then the school.
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>>1578328
the school being an add-on to the cafeteria building later on, or as a separate building nearby?
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>>1578333
An add-on.
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>>1578326
We don't make enough meat products to need a dedicated area of such size. Same thing for the freezer and refrigerator, we don't need them that size to keep Salient green I'd think, you'd just have a large tank and taps to get some out. It'll do with some modifications to seat more however, make all the tables seat 8 instead of six and it will work for a significant portion of our population.

>>1578327
Education will take years to come into effect and it will be diluted as our population grows.

As to the meal times, possibly but this makes it easier and more logical to enforce.

>>1578328
We should build a school later and entirely separately. Once we have an idea of how we want it set up and shit.
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>>1578334
>>1578337

I'm not the same anon who makes floor plans, but I'll draw some up when I get off work.
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>>1578339
That would be me but I've lost access to my computer and thus can't get access to the sites / examples I had found.
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>>1578337
Well the drawing sits 72, so we might need to extend it two more rows of tables meaning more food prep use. Also booze. The given food prep area should be fine for 100 people.
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>>1578337
>Education will take years to come into effect and it will be diluted as our population grows.
No it won't you're exaggerating, we won't be having large population growth anytime soon and our citizens need education and will grasp it easily, it would be good to set up the school early.
Don't forget we have the Followers, they've been educating people and savages for a long time.
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>>1578344
True but we can have food brought to people depending on what work they are doing, seeing as most of our industrial workers are probably maintenance, loading / unloading or overseers / machine operators. We don't want them away from their posts if we can avoid it for maximum productivity.


>>1578345
I plan on large population expansion. It's the only way we can rapidly close the gap with our enemies and competitors.


Mostly because no one liked my idea of making a infertility virus...or the poisonous plants that consume farmland and grow everywhere.
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>>1578354
>I plan on large population expansion. It's the only way we can rapidly close the gap with our enemies and competitors.
How exactly? Regular breeding will be slow and assimilating other towns won't be constant,plus we don't need to grow our population so radically to match our enemies, we can just make more robots.
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>>1578354
Dinner and breakfast would be after and before work begins, and people would want tables and people to eat with.
I imagine those seats would get filled quickly, especially if we offer some booze
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I'm bored, anyone want to continue the agrarianism discussion/argument?
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>>1578403
Should I include a bar area in my cafeteria plans?
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>>1578413
Just need to finish some homework, then you guys get to play gun designer while I finish the rest of the update.
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>>1578361
I plan on absorbing tribes we encounter as we travel east by marrying their leadership or beating their leadership or whatever is appropriate for their culture. Which will be many outside of the NCR and as the Legion fall apart.

Then we use them to extract the resources from the region in order to support the automation and expansion of our industrial and military forces while providing advanced medicine and food security. Plus taking their children and educating them as part of our people, slowly eliminating their cultural existence and educating the next generation without actively trying as we can return them for ceremonies and such to appease them but over the generations their culture should fade and if not we can simply out-breed them.


As to any towns or villages of a more technologically advanced nature, we will absorb them probably or at the very least receive significant offers and attempts at immigration. My plan for those being the same as the tribes but with us also supplying tools and factories for them to use and work in. Plus some sort of aptitude test to see if they are the next courier or a great scientist or such.

>>1578403
Quite possibly but I would point out we are going to limit the amount of alcohol they receive per day, so any sorts of drinking will most likely be saving up for weekly party night or a quick drink at each dinner.

>>1578417
Nah, just have a section outside as well which can seat people and function as a dancing area the rest of the time. That way we can feed people and then turn it into the party area so the inside can remain where they sit with their drinks and shit.
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>>1578433
I'm ready and anticipating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1127OIw9LRw
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>>1578436
>I plan on absorbing tribes we encounter as we travel east by marrying their leadership or beating their leadership or whatever is appropriate for their culture. Which will be many outside of the NCR and as the Legion fall apart.
As i said, the assimilating of other towns won't be constant, we might be blocked by another faction or a natural limit or something, assimilating the Legion tribes/towns is a more promising yield but i don't expect it to be soon. I still believe building the school early will be beneficial, especially since you want to integrate Tribals by educating their children.
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Are we going to mainly be using Mr.Handys/robots for bar / cafeteria work or people?
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>>1578465
I think having people will give a more comfortable, relatable feeling but having Mr.Handyes to assist is good.
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>>1578461
True it won't be constant but the immigration will be.

Also I agree we should build a school but I want to leave such things for after we have our immediate needs set up; food, fuel, water, energy, steel and such.
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>>1578481
Alright, i can agree to that. Especially since i want to set up more hemp farms for paper and ink first.
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>>1578483
Why bother? We should get everyone a pip-boy / home terminal or something, move towards a primarily electronic society early on and it will be easier.
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>>1578486
Because i like books, and i think it'll be easier and faster to make them than pip-boys for everyone.
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>>1578491
Easy and fast is not the answer if you want something done properly.
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>>1578491
It may be easier but Pipboys have greater utility. Seeing as they would allow for greater data storage, message writing / storage, mathematical calculations, medical examinations and so on.

This isn't to imply we can't have books but I think leaving that to the people could work out well.
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>>1578494
Books do it properly.
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>>1578496
Obviously the only answer is Por que no los dos.
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>>1578497
No they don't, They are constantly printed, then end up being outdated X-amount of months to years later. A Pip-boy can constantly be updated with proper information.
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>>1578500
Not all books become outdated and i think X-amount of years later for the rest is fine.
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>>1578505
What the fuck books besides children tells don't get outdated?
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Would a pip pad / tablet be easier to mass produce for our population?
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>>1578511
Cookbooks. Sexual novels. Fiction. Basic medical and mechanics books?
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>>1578465
>>1578532
For some reason my I'd is changing.
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>>1578511
I dunno, does Politics by Aristotle count?
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>>1578532
Doesn't even need to be a pip-boy, we could have computer terminals in every building and instead of public call phones, public computers for sending messages. People can look shit up on them from a central database.


I just used the pip-boy because they are something I'd like everyone to have.
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>>1578534
>medical and Mechanics books
You what mate? Do you understand how different today's cars are compared to the cars of the past? Same with medical books?

>>1578539
Do we even HAVE those still?
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>>1578547
IRL or In the quest?
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>>1578547
BASIC medical and mechanical books. A fucking heart still has the same valves as it did 1500 years ago and the basic principles of gearing and shit haven't changed since the pulley.
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>>1578548
in the quest.

>>1578549
treating them has changed is what I'm getting at.
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>>1578535
>>1578326

Op in case of shenanigans , these IDs are me. I dont know why they are changing. Probably due to my shitty internet.
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>>1578555
Not really, a pierced diaphragm or lung is still treated the same way as ever and the same goes for repairing a fucked up bike chain.
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>>1578555
Well we have 2 probable sources for Aristotle and other books, the first is Ulysses who gives pre-war books when we talk to him near the entrance of the canyon wreckage, the other is the think tank who have been asked about history by Ulysses before, the Followers could also have it but i don't expect it.
I also recall a mention by our brain that he's been reading old world books, maybe there's a storage of books or a database.
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>>1578571
>I also recall a mention by our brain that he's been reading old world books, maybe there's a storage of books or a database.
BigMT has a selection of various Old World Books, but most are of a scientific nature. The rest are whatever happened to personally interest them at the time.

I believe the Followers and the NCR's Office of Science and Industry made a concerted effort to gather as many books as they could to their universities.

I do have a working map of the Old World Commonwealth, I believe if you were to explore certain cities which are known to remain you might potentially find their library intact.
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Are we going to use Vending Machines, Either Sierra Madre style or others in the cafeteria?
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>>1578585
That was the Brain btw.
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>>1578587
Currently it seems we are going to have reconstituted foods made from Salient green and possibly some meat.


We may later on consider use of such tech.
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>>1578587
You currently have it under lock and key for security reasons.

When needed you have a robot continually place coins in it and retrieve food for several days at a time.
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>>1578587
Speaking of the Sierra madre machines, let's spend a boon to research them.
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>>1578610
ill support this. Seeing as how Elijah has the rest of them.
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>>1578610
yeah, that sounds like a good investment
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Hey QM have you hear of the Fallout: The frontier mod?
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>>1578637
>>1578657
Should we do it this turn or the Celebrations first?
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>>1578671
feel like we should celebrate first.
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>>1578666
Yes
Hehehe. Perhaps anons might consider trying to remember certain quest events
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>>1578686
Oh no.
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>>1578686
Can you give us a hint which quest it is?
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Unisex Restrooms or no for cafeteria?
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>>1578694
Certainly not

Mwahahah. By forcing my anon's to archive binge on archived.moe or suptg, I ensure my secrets remain safely buried in the past.
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>>1578699
Fuck no, no gender bullshit.
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>>1578699
Unisex. Seeing as I plan on the same thing potentially for our apartment blocks.
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>>1578686
The NCR restarted oil industry using trees and the northern generals tech. They also harvested Vault 22 spore spitters and other plants.
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>>1578699
No to both, We have more important shit to build.
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>>1578706
They were still having some limited problems thanks to the dangers but were making good progress.

I plan to resolve this, assuming someone would agree to support a biological weapons program...
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>>1578699
Unisex.
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>>1578711
No biological weapons dammit, just sabotage their industry with bombs.
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>>1578699
>>1578705
>>1578712
What the fuck are you guys doing with unisex bathrooms? We have no need for them.
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Your people would love bathrooms btw. I mean, as opposed to latrines. The idea of big bathrooms with multiple stalls has somewhat fallen away, and only exist in old world structures like the Casino's. Its mostly just singular individual outhouses lined up in a row and people wait outside regardless of sex.

Having men's and ladies bathrooms would be seen as quite a luxury, only you and your companions have bathrooms.

Though water right now is somewhat limited. The brain suggests at least a small sewage treatment machine, the sink at the SINK could help.
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>>1578719
I simply asked the question so I could determine If i should draw them in my floor plan. I have no opinion either way.
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>>1578716
You say that like I am going to do horrible things to them.


It's the plants you should worry about, I was planning to reintroduce genetically modified viruses, fungus and parasites to eliminate the green they are using to make oil. Potentially followed by spreading it to their farmlands if we need to slow them down severely.


>>1578719
People need a place to shit and piss. Plus they are an easy to provide luxuries and allow us to reclaim material from their waste.
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>>1578721
Wait, hang on I just remembered you DID build improved bathrooms for the Boxcars already. Good job on that.

Yeah that did boost morale. It's mostly big giant shower rooms for men on one side and women on the other. People bring their own towels. Securitrons and the Brain always watches out for trouble
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>>1578731
Oh, well in that case we don't really need them yet.
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>>1578729
Problem is how easy it can go wrong.
Spore crawlers from vault 22 were caused by plant based fungi getting spores in the air. You're fighting fire with fire.
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>>1578729
>>1578724
Then just make bathrooms, no need for unisex ones.
>It's the plants you should worry about, I was planning to reintroduce genetically modified viruses, fungus and parasites to eliminate the green they are using to make oil. Potentially followed by spreading it to their farmlands if we need to slow them down severely.
It's my belief that the viruses can get out of control that prevents me from aproving this plan, i don't want something like Australia's frog problem.
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>>1578737
No I am fighting a war with bio-engineered viruses and parasites. With precisely made weaknesses and focused ability to only interact with certain species.


>>1578739
The reason for making them unisex is to save resources and eliminate any inequality / increase unity.

Just make the viruses need Chloroplasts to reproduce, then they can't infect non-plant life but it should be scientifically possible. Failing that, we just develop a counter-virus / parasite which eliminates the other but has no other prey, resulting in their death.

Anyhow it is unlikely to come back to our region given it's arid nature and even if it did, we just use a few flamethrowers to clear out the infection and the Biological examination unit to replace the crops.
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>>1578748
>The reason for making them unisex is to save resources and eliminate any inequality / increase unity.
That's bullshit, that's prime bullshit right there.
Having unisex bathrooms does not eliminate inequality or increases unity in any shape or form, it's progressive stupidity and unnecessary, it's extremely minor conservation of resources is not worth having.
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>>1578775
But what do segregated bathrooms actually do that differently? What reason is there to have them?
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>>1578748
>to save resources and eliminate any inequality / increase unity.

Have you ever actually experienced a unisex bathroom or build one/clean it? Because it sure as fuck doesn't do any of this shit.
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>>1578748
Y'know gene tailoring plants to do weird things started this mess in the first place right? The spores mutated and started infecting people.
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>>1578794
>But what do segregated bathrooms actually do that differently?
Of relieving waste? Nothing.
Of reinforcing basic common sense about gender? They're integral and having unisex bathrooms just leads to progressive bullshit.
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>>1578802
This.
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QM hasn't even confirmed the NCR's oil industry is the correct quest event, let's just drop this biowarfare argument and let's get back to guessing.
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>>1578805
What common sense about gender? Yknow gender Roles are cultural right?
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>>1578815
>This bait
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>>1578706
Ding

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Here's what I have on the standard alien weapons so far, now to break it into pieces and show you some of the Chinese Current designs.
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>>1578815
>Yknow gender Roles are cultural right?
>Gender roles are cultural.
This better be bait.
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>>1578830
Fine, whatever, just tell me what you meant by "basic common sense about gender"
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>>1578826
Why do we have 2 pistols by chance?
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>>1578834
The first pistol is better, by alot, but uses "Alien power modules" which are much rarer than the Alien energy cells used by the second pistol.
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>>1578840
The Alien Blaster is more powerful, but fires much more slowly. The atomizer fires a lot faster.
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>>1578833
I mean no transgender, multigender bullshit, i might have been too hasty with typing that.
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>>1578844
Transgenderism is an actual thing. Multi-genderism, demi-kin and other tumblr bullshit is not.
Segregated bathrooms means eventually coming out with a stance on that, officially. Unisex bathrooms lets us wash our hands of it.
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Guys guys, you already have split bathrooms. Its sort of the cultural norm in most of the wasteland where multiple stalls are a thing.
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>>1578853
>Transgenderism is an actual thing.
No it's not. Gender is a biological thing not a identity/cultural thing.
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>>1578853
>Guys we gotta help this mental problem, By encourging it and not giving them medical attention.

>>1578857
Fuck this retarded faggot.
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>>1578857
I ain't stopping, this misconception about gender must be stopped.
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bathroom shit is irrelevant. we live in a pretty brutal wasteland so it's a little bizarre that even a person with a chemical imbalance would put their gender issues first
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Its not done, but it can seat 162 at the moment ( I plan on adding more to the outside bar area)

What do anons think? What should I change / add. I haven't touched on the kitchen area yet at all.
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How about some more appropriate discussion. Can you guys fill this out please?

>Name: Pheonix Commonwealth of America [LOCKED]
>Flag: see >>1573531 (You) [LOCKED]
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>Specific Organization [see mayors, etc.] (Automated Organization) most dominant vote
>Written Constitution/Laws? (not yet decided) do you want to outright call yourself the Leader of all that is?
>Cultural Values / Ideology (not yet decided) what are some brief basic tenants? For example, how do you define freedom in the face of intense singular Autocracy?

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Additional Questions:
Do you wish to name your child?
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>>1578878
Name it Rose or something adorable. I dunno.
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>>1578878
personal freedoms with absolute devotion to liberal ideals kinda like a liberal fascism
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>>1578878
See >>1574651
To add to it i'm pretty sure we're going for a intellectual, artisan based society.
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>>1578878
>Do you wish to name your child?
Delilah?
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>>1578858
Sex is biological. Gender is mental.

>>1578860
It is a mental problem,in that the mind and body do not match. The only real solution there is is either fiddling with the brain, or fiddling with the body. Most doctors would rather not fiddle with the brain unless they have to.
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>>1578887
We have a delilah. One steve limit.

>>1578878
I liked Sam.
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Could always follow in your parents tribe's tradition. They named you Courier. Taught you how to grow be a Courier. Now you are Courier, the courier.
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>>1578877
i really like it. hell, not everyone has to eat at the same time and not everyone has to eat at the cafeteria (presumably) so it should be pretty serviceable
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>>1578901
Our name is actually Courier? I thought we were just dedicated to our legend.
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>>1578877
Hmm, interesting design. Only one sink for so many people though. What's that lower area.

Also you'd need to build a Kitchen and a dishwasher place.

Looks great tho
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>>1578911
In the words of the late Johnson Nash.
>"His expression turned right around, asked me if your name was for real."

And the good Doctor Mitchel.
>"Huh. Can't say it's what I'd have picked for you. But if that's your name, that's your name."
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>>1578893
>Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
Holy shit you're serious.
>It is a mental problem,in that the mind and body do not match. The only real solution there is is either fiddling with the brain, or fiddling with the body. Most doctors would rather not fiddle with the brain unless they have to.
I say it's better to fiddle with the brain, sex change requires surgery and extensive hormone therapy and i'm pretty sure it still doesn't allow post-op to reproduce or fix other gender traits like the pelvic bone.
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>>1578896
sam is fine i suppose
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>>1578923
Take our brain, put it in a female synth body. It is still a male, its our brain. Its sex is female. There is a difference between mind and body. ergo, transgendered

As for surgery, brain surgery is significant riskier. a small slip, and you're paralyzed, versus you have some bleeding/scarring.
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>>1578914
Lower area should be a Janatorial closet and a robot charging station for Mr Handys. With station pads similar to pic.

I still need to work on the actual kitchen area
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>>1578939
You fucking realize that doesn't prove your point right? You just took a brain that properly developed and put it into the improper body. A Transgenders brain is flawed and needs to be corrected. Not mutilate the fucking body you sicko.
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>>1578939
>Take our brain, put it in a female synth body.
It wouldn't be able to handle that. It's too busy being 'you' and Brain the same time.
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>>1578939
>>1578951
Also the Brain technically is neither male nor female. Anymore than your heart or lungs are male or female. It simply 'Is".

You're the part with the actual genitals.

Note that even if the Courier were female, the Brain would still speak in a male voice. That is because Mobius only had male voice modules at the time.
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>>1578951
How do you fix such a thing though? There isn't an anti-trans pill, like with depression. surgery is to only possibility.

And the example works because transgenderism is a quirk of biology that causes a brain to develop with the opposite gender's chemistry. Its functionally the same as the brain of the opposite gender.
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>>1578939
>Take our brain, put it in a female synth body. It is still a male, its our brain. Its sex is female.
Wouldn't the female chemical signals fuck up the male brain that way? I know Unity hasn't had that problem but it's still a possible problem.
>As for surgery, brain surgery is significant riskier. a small slip, and you're paralyzed, versus you have some bleeding/scarring.
But the body surgery doesn't fulfill the goal of gender change, it's just a cosmetic thing, and if we can't do a brain surgery or a body surgery then we shouldn't do a surgery at all and let transgender just deal with their gender identity crisis.
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>>1578945
Shouldn't the MR Handys charging station be somewhere near the kitchen?
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>>1578968
>Depression pills fix depression.
Are you a fucking idiot? No they don't, they make everything worse 99% of the god damn time.

You would need to study the human brain of those that transgender have. And then see the differences between a normal human one and one like them. However in our current 'progressive' society. We no longer list it as a mental disorder and thus research like that is banned or frowned upon without getting proper funding. Ontop of that, we have more pressing issues and making this OUT to be an issue will just cause problems. This is fallout. Somebody invented a cure for every known VIRUS, TO say something like a mental disorder is incurable shows your lack of knowledge on the series.
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>>1578973
Thought it was a nice out of the way spot. Could have half the Mr handys running at a time and switch them out when its time for them to recharge.

Ill look into fitting them into the kitchens.
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>>1578985
Pills help deal with depression. Or else why would there be antidepressants- They treat it. They may make things worse for you, but I doubt if 99% of depression sufferers taking the pill get worse they would be on the market.

As for researching human brains, they have
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
trans people have brains closer to their chosen gender than their birth sex.
We are our mind, not our body. If the two disagree, then its the body that is wrong, not the mind.
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>>1578960
>Also the Brain technically is neither male nor female. Anymore than your heart or lungs are male or female. It simply 'Is".
Are you using Fallout science or IRL science? Cause people who receive an organ transplant from a different gender have a higher rate of rejection and complication.
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>>1579000
We are both our body and our mind, both share specific signals and chemicals between each other, that's why post-op people have hormone treatment, our chemicals need to be balanced.
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>>1579000
>Pills help
>Our Body is wrong

I'm done with this talk, God Speed mate. You sicko. May you never need help.
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>>1579015
Stay and fight soldier! these sickos must be beaten over the head with the knowledge of why they're wrong.
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>>1579018
Live and let live, I'll simply vote against the stupidity.
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>>1579013
Chemicals need to be balanced yes, but its like being drunk- You're influenced by the alcohol, but you can't say you are both you and the alcohol.

Hormones influence behavior just the same. Its why our brain disparages our glands- Its technically changing our behavior.
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>>1579015
I'm sick because i think pills work? Why would they exist if they didn't? Is the FDA completely corrupt/ incompetent? and that I rather not play with my brain than my body?
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>>1579020
>Hormones influence behavior just the same. Its why our brain disparages our glands- Its technically changing our behavior.
>Using Fallout to argue why you're right.
Mate that's fiction, IRL brains need specific chemical signals from our to function properly, there are studies of too low of an amount of hormones affecting behavior, probably the same with too high an amount too.
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>>1579001
Well I didn't say that the Brain doesn't have the physiological markers unique to your body. In fact its tissue is probably highly incompatible with others due to your numerous, numerous mutations

I simply said you can't actually ascribe it a gender.
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>>1579031
Regardless, An individual is not the body they occupy. It influences, but it is they are not one and the same.
Transfer the mind to a new body and your still you.
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>>1579043
>I simply said you can't actually ascribe it a gender.
From a look you can't, but if someone knows the differences between a male and female brain they can ascribe it a gender. Probably can't do it to our brain with all those mutations.
>Why can't i hold all these mutations.
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>>1579057
I'd argue that the bodily influences are required for the brain to function properly and healthy but this is starting to sound like a ship of Theseus debate.
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>>1579064
>From a look you can't, but if someone knows the differences between a male and female brain they can ascribe it a gender.
They can say the gender of the /person/ it belonged to.

But giving it an actual gender is weird.

It's like saying the pancrease is a male. It doesn't really make sense. Instead, the appendix came from a male.

heh, well desu this is just semantics I suppose. Of course it can be detected your brain came from a male person.
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>>1579072
Well yeah, we're arguing about what makes a person a person. Its all philosophical cause we can't really know.
I just want to know why that other anon thought I was a retard for thinking medicating helped depression.
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>>1579072
>I'd argue that the bodily influences are required for the brain to function properly

>Brain
"Oh on the contrary, that's hardly true at all. I quite enjoy the lack of attention I have to devote to all your bodily functions. You have no idea the freedom that brings.

I usually leave the bodily details to those tesla coils of yours. Its akin to my own persona Mr. Handy to do alll the work for me. Automation is a wonderful thing."
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>>1579090
>Auto-Doc
"Eh. Meds are only a temporary solution to an underlying neruo problem. I have plenty of more permanent solutions.

Think of it like a computer terminal with a busted battery. Meds are deciding to attach a hand crank generator to keep it running, when you could just fix the derned."

Sorry for the update delay guys, MS painting things is a long and slow process.
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>>1578878
>>Name: Pheonix Commonwealth of America [LOCKED]
>Pheonix
Pheonix or Phoenix?
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>>1579299
should be phoenix
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>>1579299
phoenix
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>>1579299
Whichever is the correct spelling for the firebird.

--

Here is the Chinese Version of the Alien Disintegrator Weapon.

Its slightly bulkier, longer, and far less streamlined. This is due to several reasons. The original alien disintegrator is made out of metallic alloys that unknown and seemingly are unreplicable by current metallurgic standards. So it has to be made out of conventional methods.

Secondly, there is no way to reproduce alien energy cells. EC energy packs come close, but they themselves have to be clustered and hooked to the gun. Currently the Chinese either use a large pack of EC energy packs worn around the hip, or a much bigger backpack ammo container which can either be a large bunch of EC packs, or a generator. Alternatively, the gun may be hooked directly into a wall.
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>>1579408
This is what they have so far. They're trying to look into the other two weapons, but the alien blaster is proving even more difficult to get to pistol sized.

The good news is their current design can be adapted and flexible. They are experimenting with all of the three known alien projectile types (Disintegration, Blaster, and Atomizer) as well as a few newer type like a continuous beam or even a hoseable material like plasma.

>Brain
"Not bad, actually. Quite ingenious. They've successfully understood the principles of how it works, or at least, approximated it as close as they could. All thats left is possibly trying to shrink it with better materials, but until we get the capability, this is what you can currently mass produce from your War Factory."
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>>1579408
More research actions and I'll open up further potential options for you to design.
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Cafeteria floor plan v1. Moved robot recharge to kitchen. Added in kitchen. Put in saylient tanks. Added more sinks, and finished the bar section.

Now seats 230 people at a time. This is still just Version 1. If you guys feel I should change things let me know and ill draw up another plan.
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>>1579446
honestly, this should be good enough. these accommodations are way better than anything our citizens got in the wasteland
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>>1579446
That's some impressive work you're putting in. Thanks, anon.

>>1578901
>>1578922
That's so hilariously campy. Just like the Courier.
Is the Courier's Tribe still around? Could we meet them?
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>>1579446
maybe move the bathrooms apart by like 4, and add more sinks. Probably want half the number of sinks to toilets.
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>>1579481
Your father, Hunter, and mother, Breeder, never really talked much about the tribe they lived in before they moved into the NCR. After your first courier run, you returned to see them. They and the house were gone. That was the last you ever really saw of them.
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>>1579501
Like, gone gone? Someone took all the bricks and left, or it was burned down?
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>>1579434
"Alternatively there's the possibility of making it more powerful as a standard design if you acquire some Old World energy weapons production machines like the Van Graffs have.

Or the succesfully reverse engineering the Vending Machines."
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>>1579509
Sorry, to clarify, you found the house utterly abandoned of all furniture and valuables.
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>>1579501
Where did the six come from?
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>>1579517
are there any places nearby where we can secure some energy weapon production machines, then?
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>>1579553
game plot. you were the sixth courier on a list of couriers sent to deliver packages to mr. house (iirc)
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>>1579561
>Or the succesfully reverse engineering the Vending Machines.
This is much easier to do, i was planning to do it next turn anyway.
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>>1579581
OP said we needed more vending machines for that, which would require that we return to the sierra madre
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>>1579586
>which would require that we return to the sierra madre
This makes me wonder, has Elijah been able to manufacture more vending machines?
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>>1579586
no we wanted to spend a boon on it. Cause we have one and its a very profitable investment.
>>1579568
I know that. But i was wondering if there was a different in universe reason.
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>>1579561
>Brain
"Most likely the Van Graff headquarters in Van Graffs, or perhaps other NCR facilities. But then, those would be guarded and difficult to transport. Perhaps a vault somewhere out there might hold what we need."
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>>1579599
oh. if we're booning it then sure
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>>1579609
.... What did we do with the brotherhood bunker op? Are they still alive or did we detonate it?
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>>1579647
You left them alone actually.
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>>1579647
>>1579655
You did hear some Legion in hushed tones talking about Legatus Lanius slaughtering some more of the Legion for failing at the "Brotherhood's Bunker" and "letting the prey get away". That he is currently out of Caesar's grace.
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>>1578306
To prepare more bags of concrete, your convoy has to make another trip to the mines.

Which means they need fuel.

Which means you need to cut into your food again to make the fuel.

Which you do, and gain a (moderate) amount of Hexcrete.
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On one hand, I don't think we will be able to convince the brotherhood to join our faction because were almost the exact thing they are trying to "protect the world from", but on the other hand, I really want all of their juicy energy weapons.

What does veronica think?
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>>1579693
If we were to stop making fuel, will our stockpile of food start increasing over time? or are we only meeting food needs?
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>>1579708
Every time you make fuel, there is a temporary drop in the food supply by a level.

By default, you play it safe and keep the food reserves at average. When the food drops below average, you enforce rationing to return the stockpile, citing the importance of being prepared for a sudden famine or somesuch.

Currently, with all your current passive means production, food naturally peaks at Average.
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>>1579744
So even if we stay the course we end up with average food. Ok.
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!NEW!
>>>>>Food: Above Average (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Moderate)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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---TRONA---
++BigMT Outpost++
---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 50 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
98 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}
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---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 57
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>>1579784
Hey QM, just wondering, are there any new borns among our people? Is anyone pregnant?

If we want to use a boon to research vending machines, must we take a civ action?
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>>1579800
>Hey QM, just wondering, are there any new borns among our people? Is anyone pregnant?
A few but not many. It doesn't help that most people still live in unprivate conditions, and they tend to be very aware of that sort of thing. Still its only been more than a year since the Mojave exodus.

Just about the only place constant action is going on is the Lobotomite brothel and Dr. Dala's house. Its a bit less crazy without ARES though.

It's not exactly romantic to sleep with at least one other family in a boxcar.
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>>1579844
>>1578436
On that note, is the only way to significantly increase our human population at the moment is to assimilate other adult populations? Could we genetically engineer children to have a sped up childhood, but reduced aging thereafter?
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>>1579858
Certainly! But ah, it would take a lot of trial and error. Which means you're going to need a lot of babies and/or parents subjects.
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>>1579869
>Which means you're going to need a lot of babies and/or parents subjects.
Is this lethal, or we just need a large sampling pool?
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Rolled 59 (1d100)

>>1579784
>Hero.
Investigate Ridgecrest, bring the stealth team.
>Civ.
Celebrate the completion of the Hexcrete mill.
>Constrution.
Build Hemp farms and other fuel crops at Newberyy springs.
>Military.
Train.
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>>1579873
You'll try not to make it lethal. But yeah, you're going to need a larger sample base.
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>>1579858
That is a stupid idea.
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Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>1579784
>Hero - Spend time with Kiddo

>Civ - RnD the Vending machine

>Construction - Small ammo plant, We can sell said bullets.

>mil - join training ops with Chinks
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>>1579878
supporting
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>>1579879
How quickly does Unity's children grow, how quickly does our child grow in comparison?
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>>1579885
We are spending too much time with the kid, not that that's a bad thing but we have shit to do.
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>>1579878
What's Ridgecrest? Don't remember
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>>1579895
>Further away is a large ruined town called RidgeCrest, and a nearby Airbase. Just before your Securitrons were at risk of losing direct communications, they spotted what appears to be aircraft flying above it. They weren't able to get in closer for a look, it's too far for their range.
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>>1579902
When was this?
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>>1579906
>>1564319
Found it. Missed it from all the long conversations.
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>>1579906
Last thread.
>> 1564319
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>>1579906
The scouting mission, to check all our surrounding territory.
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>>1579892
>Auto Doc
"Whatever you're doing it seems to be working.

I ain't ever seen a 1 year old that smart. . .or tall. She's breaking the growth charts. But I guess they're a chip off the old block?"

>Unity
"My beautiful daughter. She's growing so fast. Even for us. At this rate, she might be a teenager in a few years. I just hope her maturity follows with her intelligence.

Strange but her thoughts are so different. Its slightly harder to read them, but she is my daughter and she is still a part of me and Unity."
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Rolled 41 (1d100)

>>1579784
support >>1579878
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>>1579916
>>1579917
Thanks anyways.

>>1579918
>At this rate, she might be a teenager in a few years. I just hope her maturity follows with her intelligence.
So we could technically use her as a base for the genetically increased childhood?
>>1579858

>>1579883
Care to elaborate?
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>>1579918
Op what does Veronica think of brotherhood rumors? Any way we could get those sweet energy weapons peacefully?
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>>1579894
>Unity
"Actually, I think its helped tremendously you've been here to be her father, even if you can't be here all the time. Just being around her more helps.

You should introduce her to the other children when she grows old enough."

>>1579929
>Unity
"Perhaps. Remember, we have my strain of FEV."

>>1579935
>Veronica
"Knowing Macnamara, I wouldn't be surprised if he figured out how to have a double lockdown. If Caesar wanted them dead, they were probably surrounded. With no internal means to make food, they . . .must have been starved out. If they weren't blown out by the Legion."
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>>1579935
Tell them about Elijah and how we must work together to stop him?
We also have sweet Alllieeenn Teeeeeccchh!
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>>1579878
LOCKED.

Writing
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>>1579929
QM has already said why >>1579869 >>1579879
Too many risks.
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>>1579947
>"Knowing Macnamara, I wouldn't be surprised if he figured out how to have a double lockdown.
What's a double lockdown?

>>1579956
Doesn't mean we have to do it now, that was on the table for in the future.
Also it's not like we can't experiment on prisoners or other folk we don't mind potentially dying.
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>>1579956
>Brain
"Why not just get more people you're willing to risk? Perhaps people you don't like."
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>>1579947
we should check it out at some point.
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>>1579960
It was a joke. Literally the only thing Macnamara would have done even as they were battering down the door, would be to just lock everything down. Effectively, the same thing he had been doing already
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>>1579960
>>1579961
I maybe won't raise a fuss about it then.
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>>1579966
I had my hopes up that Macnamara managed to transcend turtling.
How long has it been since the siege started, how long were their stores supposed to last for?
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>>1579961
Cause that makes us no better than crazy crazy think tank?
We're doing fine. Kids need their development time.
We don't need to build our society on the back of human rights violations.
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>>1579970
Gotta think of expendable people we don't like, man.
If the risks were too high, of course I wouldn't risk our own people.
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>>1579974
>Cause that makes us no better than crazy crazy think tank?
The Think Tank did nothing wrong.
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>>1579977
The think tank did many things wrong, FOR SCIENCE!
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>>1579878
Newberry Springs has the potential to be turned into a proper inhabited outpost! The question remains is, who should we allow to inhabit it? It's actually very ideal.

>A group of influential members of the Community approach you. They offer several thousand bottlecaps and an assortment of jewelry and gold in exchange for preference toward some of the private houses of the community. They pledge to personally restore much of the town to working function, the electricity. They'll get the farming done too

They would also like to bring a few lobotomites with them. And claim they will be able to establish runner communications between the Boxcars and Newberry Sprngs

You begin to realize some of the Boxcar houses in The Boxcars are quite. . .very well off. With only a handful of people in them, manned by private guards, and lots of good things around them.

>The Chinese are always looking for a new place to call their own and raise the Red Flag

>Just send in robots, we're going to drain the place and pipeline the water to the BoxCars

>Other?
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>>1581576
>Other?
There'll be a lottery that people may choose to enter. Their first ticket being free. Every ticket after that is (exponentially?) more expensive.


This means that, although these rich fellows may get a better chance as they deserve for their economic skills that gave them this wealth, even the worst off still has a chance of getting to move.

As to getting to have the private houses, they may until we decide to modernise / properly take over the area and construct new structures for housing people.


Speaking of which, I have a bunch of questions about our people and what they would accept for their housing arrangements, if you would be willing to tell me?
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>>1581597
>Arcade
"Won't they just buy the winning tickets off the people who get them?"

>Speaking of which, I have a bunch of questions about our people and what they would accept for their housing arrangements, if you would be willing to tell me?
Everyone likes things and luxury.

But they also know base needs have to be met first. Mostly security and locked doors, room for a family or singleperson to live in, insulation from the cold at night plus chimneys for stoves to cook and heat. Beds and blankets. Some form of toiletry either latrine or actual toilets.

Showers, air conditioning, new windows, carpeting, indoor washing machines, electricity, refrigeration, are all seen as desired luxuries particularly if you can privately own them. Currenty only you, your companions, and the rich are enjoying this.
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>>1581611
>"Won't they just buy the winning tickets off the people who get them?"
If the people who get the winning tickets don't want them, then we shouldn't intervene arguably. As they have made their decision.


However if that is such a problem, we have robots and can store people's faces in their memory I imagine? Alongside what ticket or tickets they are assigned to? Why not make them non-transferable virtual items, rather than a pieces of paper?
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>>1581617
"They'll probably figure out some loophole anyway, like paying the winners to live in their homes. Still, at least it ensures some level of fairness."

Anyway, 1 vote for lottery. Anyone else?
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>>1579878
>>Military.
>Train.
Training goes poorly. MIlitary morale is somewhat diminished, mostly because the barracks and shooting grounds are still ruined and nobody has gone around to repair them.
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>>1581576
>A group of influential members of the Community approach you. They offer several thousand bottlecaps and an assortment of jewelry and gold in exchange for preference toward some of the private houses of the community. They pledge to personally restore much of the town to working function, the electricity. They'll get the farming done too
This America dammit we must cater to our entrepreneurial friends as
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>>1581666
No. My plan appeals to the rich while giving the poor a chance.
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>>1581611
I can offer them more or less all that except the washing machines and carpets. Assuming they can deal with the fact I am basing our primary housing off of micro-apartments, because we lack the resources to make enough actual houses.


I do have some larger plans for actual families however but those aren't going to be built until we have an actual fuel supply up and running so I don't have to worry about material supply.
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>>1581687
How about we meet halfway we give some houses by lottery and then sell the biggest few to the highest bidder
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>>1581836
Yeah that could work. Certain houses aren't suitable for use as anything but family homes and such.


There's an idea, we give a second free ticket to anyone who has a wife / girlfriend. So they'll be able to go and have children in privacy.
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>>1581576
Lottery, but dont allow the wealthy to buy more tickets. You just have to go to a securitron and ask to be entered.
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>>1581899
That defeats the purpose of the lottery. Your's makes everyone equal.


These rich folk all started out equal with everyone else and got where they are by personal action. Their wealth should be able to get them some sort of benefit. Especially since we are gonna get a benefit from their spending.
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>>1581909
Well we dont know how they make their wealth, so we cant just assume they started at thr same place as everyone.

As for not rewarding them, they are obviously living good lives comparitively, so we should focus on helping raise the standard of living for our majority rather than allow a minority to gain even more.
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Okay, so for the celebrations. That is definitively going to go down now.

>Can we slaughter 20 Brahmin
>Spend all the booze
>Fireworks? Free ammo for fun shoots at targets?
>Spend 2000 Chips on fun stuff
>Declare the founding of the Pheonix Collective and make this the founding day
>Bring out our child (Sam was the most voted on name so far)
>Bring out the Chinese to join in?
>Dean Domino and his band?

If you can think of any other BIG CELEBRATION PARTY FUN THINGS go ahead and suggest them.


Confirm including name (or say no to name)

Y/N

Also if you want the big ehm, sensual companion party afterward just add it to your vote. If not don't add it. I don't know if people still want that, I'm not pressing for it but I'll allow it.
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>>1581962
>Well we dont know how they make their wealth, so we cant just assume they started at thr