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The bright light of Tiberion bathes the sea in shimmering light as warm air sways palm trees along the nearby shoreline of a small atoll. If one didn't know better, it could be easy to mistake the beach as an earth ocean. The thick microbial life would give the illusion away upon close inspection, coating the ocean with an electric blue glow that shimmers with every disruption with the faint pulse of electrical impulses. A number of massive metal structures float along the horizon, a so-called wet navy, an often overlooked and underfunded branch in most military budgets. Their guns, massive railguns more fitting on a starship, swivel in their ports to aim at a swarm of nearly imperceptible specs on the horizon. The railguns fire in a sudden and endless barrage, and motes of light flash in the distance as kinetic rounds impact the incoming craft. A cracked open starship hull drifts down from the sky trailing fire and plasma as it skids into the ocean miles away sending tidal waves crashing over the surrounding islands.

The sun seems to dim as atomic warheads light the sky, and the palm trees ignite in a flash fire that engulfs atoll in a moment as several overlapping shockwaves ripple across the ocean and send the flash-fried ash statues of the foliage vanishing in a sudden wave of gale force winds to reveal a multitude of bunker complexes set within the islands. The begin to open along a number of ports where large weapon systems extend out from shielded bunkers beneath the surface, and they begin to light up the sky with the vibrant pulse of particle beams.

Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!

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>>1564246
IT BEGINS
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GAS THE SQUIDS
NUKE THE WHALES
STAB THE MONKEYS
TRUST NOTHING
THE VOID IS WATCHING
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>>1564246
First!
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Daily reminder

>Raid OQ
>Read the locked memories of that thinker.
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.
>Send a diplomacy team to earth.
>Build that new FTL prediction building.
>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
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[Happy Chittering Noises]
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>>1564246
Huh, forgot about this system

This is where that cool commonwealth general is and we trying out our siege work on scavs while our fleet wipes another scav fleet off the map right?
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>>1564246
Wait, from what perspective are we even seeing this low-to-the-ground closeup of these islands?

Also huh, it's been like two days since we sent the fleet onward from Argos to Elvanine. Thread 61.2.
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>>1564289
Could just be good old exposition
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>>1564289
Our space pods have excellent long distance vision. They can pretty easily pick out individual letters written on something from orbit.
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>>1564303
You don't usually see 'the horizon' from space though.
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So... I was reading the archives and remembered we told the Valen we are selling reactors to that the design came from natives to the Expanse on a planet called Leeland.

Are we ever going to follow up with him? At this point between the reference to Lee, the strangeness of the design, and the mental signals our hybrid was giving off this Valen has to know (or at least strongly suspect) that he is buying Hive merchandise.
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>>1564324
How about we offer him a place in our new space city as the manager of a new trade office in hive space? He can manage trade between the valen clans and us, bringing in a steady stream of credits. It would be a big step up from his current post, that's for sure.
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>>1564296
The quest has never, ever shown anything that the Queen can't perceive in some way.

This'd have to be footage from a Commonwealth robot that they showed us for some reason that's relevant to the space battle, or else something hive was down there and probably just went boom.
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>>1564342
Well we do have drones on the ground I believe.

Could be a patrolling Wasp or Fly
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>>1564246
Your speaker stands calmly with General Cunningham as you both review the hologram displayed before you. Your drone provides updates on the status of various hive assets and they are quickly updated on the map.

"This is the place here." He says with a jab of his finger. "That anti-orbital battery provides coverage for the majority of the northeastern plateau. It's a major industrial sector with a network of railways leading into the spaceports and the tether anchor." He points again to the equator where a set of red dots highlight enemy activity. "They took out the tether in the attack, which held most of that region's anti-space defence capability, but it's also the planet's capital and still holds a massive population. I'm not sure if they captured it with that in mind, but once they realized we try to avoid civilian casualties, they quickly started rounding up humans and stuffing them with the munitions and under the AA guns. We won't be able to make any air raids without heavy collateral damage, which means we're going to have to take the city the real old fashioned way." Your speaker examines the projection as an orbital view shows a large number of railways leading into the city from the northeast.

"Here." The general says. "Our options would be to either go in by air and have half or more of our forces swatted out of the sky, or charge in through the railyard, likely through mines, artillery, and god knows how many units of heavy armor. Not the best options, but I think we can make it work with some good old fashioned human subterfuge."

"Humans have additional plans?" Your drone asks.

"Humans are good at figuring out the best way to do a stupid thing. Charging into gun filled death traps is no different. I'll send in a squad to locate the civilian population, hopefully find the enemy leadership, and sabotage what military assets they can prior to our main force arriving. Before that, however, we need to take the anti-orbital battery, which is easier said than done. The perimeter defences are still fully functional and under enemy control."

"The hive's forces will help the humans." You say.

"I have no doubt they will be eager to get back into the fight."

Cont.
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>>1564342
Well there you go. >>1564348 You're just impatient
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>>1564342
Or maybe it's just something the Hive can readily perceive and QD describes the view from the ships' perspective in the name of artistic license. Either way I don't know why you're thinking so hard on this.
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>>1564348
So large scale test of our ghost drones then? against a fortified enemy position
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>>1564321
>>1564296
You are currently coordinating with the General. You have access to local PDF sensor information for as long as you are helping repel the invaders.
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>>1564338
The entire Guild of Transportation would probably want something like that from us. Though you're putting the horse before the carriage. We still need to focus on actually building up our and making sure it's well defended before worrying about trade and tourism.
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>>1564338
That could work.
Why don't we have captain "Spreckels" tell him his "supplier" is happy with how the relationship is working out so far, and is interested in expanding into a business partnership. The Valen would have to come aboard the Orphan to travel to meet us, but if he agrees to this once in a lifetime opportunity he could rise to wealth and power hitherto undreamed of.
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>>1564358
Those ghost drone are not very effective against scavengers since they can see through our camo and are not very sensitive to psionics.
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>>1564360
I'm not sure it's necessarily putting the cart before the horse. We need plans, contracts, and diplomatic outreach before trade and tourism become viable. While we can build our massive trade hub, it will be far more effective if we do it in coordination with other factions. We won't have as much benefit if we have all this infrastructure that everyone is too scared of us to use.

That being said, a deal with a (relatively) poor Valen that elevates him to vast wealth and influence could help us play on the greed of the Transportation Guild. So far the Valen mostly fear us and are trying to avoid catastrophic losses. We need to make them see vast profit in working with us and spark their greed and competition until they're fighting each other for better relations with the Hive.
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>>1564365
Well that would allow us to FINALLY examine the valen body structure, so I can get behind it. It doesn't matter if we don't have an office available on the space city just yet either, we can just put him up in a room on Leeland for a few days while we hash out an agreement with him.
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>>1564399
Isn't this something our flies would be much better for? They're almost undetectable and could probably locate the hostages and leadership much more discreetly and speedily than a relatively obvious and bulky human infiltrator squad.
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>>1564365
>>1564403
I agree this is a good idea. We need to examine a Valen pretty badly and this is a way we can finally get one in a tank.
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>>1564399
>Those ghost drone are not very effective against scavengers since they can see through our camo and are not very sensitive to psionics.
The scavs are resistant to psionics?
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>>1564430
No, it's that psionic cloaking on nonpsionic races is pretty lackluster.
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>>1564435
Where did you get that idea? Psionic interference can impact anything with a nervous system, the cloaking is capable of interfering with the perception of anything sapient. True, it wouldn't render the cloaked subject entirely imperceptible like it would for a hive, but cloaking makes it harder even for humans to track and identify a target.
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>>1564447
The fact it's explicitly stated to be best against psionic life and nonpsionic life at the most will only lose track of the individual drone if it's in a swarm of drones. It's nowhere near as good as our ship cloaking tech.
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>>1564471
Your that anon whos convinced there "the" expert on what psi is and can do in this setting right?

Werent you wrong about the whales,

And given the scavs are organics with some cyber parts they can be affected by psi
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>>1564354
What m8? It doesn't take very hard thought to speculate about whether it's Commonwealth camera footage, which it was.

QD seems to love having a universe with established rules too much for the kind of license you were speculating it was.
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>>1564494
The security camera in the base and the radios attached to their soldiers can't be affected and once they figure out the pattern, which would likely take minutes, they will almost instantly come up with countermeasures. You should never underestimate the Scavengers since they are the most dangerous nonpsionic race and must be approached carefully. Though the Valen argument is kind of stupid considering what I argued there is they have no "psionic projects or tech" which was proven right by the translator.
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>>1564348
Your shuttles begin to arrive soon after the first wave of flies find the landing zones, and wasps begin to drop from the sky to further secure the area. The distant rumble of artillery cannons is a constant drumbeat in the distance as the skyline ripples with the light of explosions across the landscape in the early evening of the local region. You quickly spot the human forces. A number of dugouts and rapidly built trenches crisscross out in the dirt from the cliffside of a large mountain range jutting up from the ground almost vertically. The mountains are not all natural rock, but the hull of some ancient looking starship sits where a valley once would have been, ground into the landscape and half buried in rubble and soil. The skidmark it has created has filled in to become a lush lake, stopped up where the hull blocked the flow of what was once a small river. The water flows out from the hull in various areas. Rusted out gunports, missile tubes, and airlocks as well as various tears in the hull where vegetation sprouts and a layer of thick moss has covered the topside of the hull in hardy plant life fit for the frigid conditions.

The corpses of scavenger troops are piled near the trenches, and the heads of several have been mounted on wooden spikes crudely plunged into the ground. You can spot several of the body piles burning with a simmering smolder as their armor melts from within charred flesh.

A wasp lands with a thud on the ground, hunched over the trench like a gargoyle as it peers into the labyrinth. The walls are some kind of cheaply constructed polymer that runs into the floor with no detectable seam, the entire construct dug with pre-programmed nano constructors of a rather rudimentary design, creating a hardened structure using the dirt itself as construction material. You suspect, judging by the standard of human nanotechnology, that this structure would require maybe three or four days to build. A human looks up with grave concern at your drone, his hands fumbling with a long particle beam weapon affixed with a long blade as the battery pack that powers it sends him off balance. Your drone takes flight again before he can right himself, but the sudden yelp of surprise makes a number of other humans to peek their heads up like meerkats emerging from their shelters.

"Incoming!" Someone shouts, and your sensors detect several fast moving airborne craft moving in on your shuttles. A formation of your flying drones moves in to intercept as the humans dive back into their holes as a loud, thumping rumble echoes over the mountains, and an ugly, oblong object pierces the clouds above as its body ejects rapid pulses of flame with a thunderous roar and it begins lancing out with blaster weapons at several of your drones. Three of your wasps are incinerated by the heavy fire as it abruptly halts in the air and then pivots, its hull supported by an undulating mechanical armature of pulsing flame.
cont.
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Fuck I love this quest.
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>>1564541
Huh, friendly fire eh, it happens

>>1564540
No, the translator admitted they been working on it but they haven't yet achieved there goals of being able to use psi tech to a full degree

So you were wrong
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Oh this may be the perfect opportunity to test the Titan, bunker busting and anti infantry baby
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>>1564548
shh, don't spoil the surprise anon

Though honestly we've been waiting for this for months since we ordered them here like two days ago in game
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>>1564547
>the translator admitted they been working on it but they haven't yet achieved there goals of being able to use psi tech to a full degree

You mean. Any degree whatsoever?

> If we knew how reading worked, they would have incorporated it into their fleet comms by now, not make a whole new language just for radio."
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>>1564548
> "What's that? Little baby Titan is trying to say his first words! Come on little guy, you can do it."

> "KILL THEM. KILL THEM ALL FOR MOTHER."

> "Daaaaaw."
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>>1564554
The probably know the basic psi techs but haven't achieved what we can do yet

The humies cheated using skyl tech to jump-start their psi program but the whales have been able to develop there with some natural understanding

And really do the whales seem stupid enough to tell the hired help the full extent of their psi programs?
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>>1564541
>Your shuttles begin to arrive soon after the first wave of flies find the landing zones,

Wait.

Do the humans notice we have tiny drones, or are they too small for them to have noticed them as anything but natural insects.

We haven't really used them openly so far.
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>>1564571
So when you said 'you were wrong' the "I'm speculating not based on anything the translator actually said" was silent.
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>>1564551
I've been waiting for long, loooong time. Ever since we got those leg designs, I even revamped the OG design on the wiki
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>>1564547
He pretty much said they don't even know how their psionics work. They might be trying to figure it out how to turn it into tech but they're unlikely to figure it out in a timely manner more or less while trying skip to the vital tachyon discovery. So no they don't have Psionic tech (yet) and they are still at the baby first steps tier regarding psionics so they don't really have psionic projects.
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>>1564586
Baby step tier in the psi tree is still a psi project anon, they know about it and are researching it add understand some of the implications

And given the whales are more advanced then the humies and also have access to the ceph and also have natural psi abilities they are on better footing than the humies
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>>1564571
>Whales
This insult is retarded on all levels. Their behavior and appearance is closer to a croc's. Crocs can even grow big enough to sink boats.
Also if they had psionic tech they would be using it right now which means they aren't even close to down.
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>>1564613
Holy shit the concept of colloquialisms really is lost on you huh?

You do not dictate what the nick-name we use for the whales. The general concensus does, and everyone has for the better part of like 50 threads been saying whale.

As for the other bit I dont have a horse in this race. Just the whale bit triggered me.
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>>1564613
Too bad the valen shall forever be known as whales in this quest. No other insult does them or their massive fat asses justice.
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>>1564606
I consider a psionic project in the same way you'd consider a baby's babbling talking.
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>>1564613
Look and laugh at this whale apologist
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>>1564613
No it means it isnt close to full scale use yet, much like how tech gets tested and tested and refined before being used by the rest of society

The whales are able to use psi, they know of the psi tech tree and are actively researching it like other factions
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>>1564626
So gentle giants beloved all?
You'd might run a PR campiagn for them since that clearly makes them look better.
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>>1564628
Keep making them look good bro. They'd probably wear the insult proud and laugh in your face afterwords.
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>>1564631
you are the one making it a positive. we call them whales because they are fat and they float in water. its pretty strait forward.

calling them crocks now wouldnt make sense untill we see them in combat. If a combat event occurs and they are surprisingly competent then we maybe consider a change to crocks but currently they are dumb floaty fat fats.
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>>1564624
>>1564626
Calling them whales instead of the in-universe established insult of 'gator' only started in thread 53. It's not that old compared to everything else.
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>>1564658
Wait actually?
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>>1564658
They still look like whales to me.
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>>1564658
I seem to recall it being bandied about long before that. Lyle was getting a kick out of rustling their jimmies calling them fatasses as early as thread 14.

Face it anon, they will always be whales.
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>>1564658
thats nearly 2 years of usage dude and before that space jew was the predominant term not gator since we weren't doing our broader politics stuff yet and that and they were big and aquatic we didn't even see one until we freed Lee they were just refereed to as large water-dwellers that used robots to talk with most races.
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>>1564650
>we call them whales because they are fat and they float in water.
And we have drones like that too. Are you calling them ugly? Do you hate our dear children so?
>If a combat event occurs and they are surprisingly competent
Wow you never actually paid to the Valen's action on Aral. Not to mention economic skill more or less translate to military prowess.
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>>1564686
No he didn't. Lyle barely says shit about the Valen. He called his mysterious, species-unknown employer who he just shitposts at over the internet a fat fuck.

His boss could be a Taidaren matriarch for all we know, and he just insulted thousands of people's mother at once.
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Is anyone else interested in trying to talk to the Scavs right now? we have them on the ropes, they have no reinforcements coming, also we control space and the land around the city.
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>>1564698
>thats nearly 2 years of usage
The vast majority of that time was hiatus if you add all the hiatuses together.
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>>1564716
I am now imagining Lyle wrangling a Valen like he's the Crocodile hunter. I pity you fools who never able to enjoy this image.
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>>1564725
The only thing the scav deserve is death. We tried to talk they tried to blow us up. There ain't no talking with this fucking Huns.
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>>1564725
It's fucking pointless unless they have one of their commander caste there. It would be better to capture them and parasite them.
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>>1564716
>>1564729
You nerds know his colony was South African descended and not Australian right?

We have yet to discover the Space-Australians. Just watch, they're on a world of megafauna or whatever world that Carnosaur beast we got the large biped adaptation from
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>>1564725
Sure, i want to know what drove them off there homeworld to begin with after-all and made them into nomads

And i want to know if it is following them
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>>1564541
The oblong craft rises up in the air as several portable particle beam blasts flash against its hull, and a number of rapid fire projectiles erupt from its nose where a small set of rotary cannons are held, tearing into the dirt of the trenches as it begins to float forward. Its many engines ripple with pulsing bursts of fire in a constant low rumble as ports open on either side and scavengers begin dropping to the ground. The humans open up with their weapons as the scavengers drop into the trenches and the aircraft rips into the ground with its guns as you see two blaster turrets, one on either side, shift from side to side scanning the landscape.

A wailing scream emanates from the sky that sends the turrets shifting high in search of the source, and a wing of your airborne drones dive towards it through a hail of blaster bolts. The gunship's engines ignite with a sudden vibrant pulse of fire and it lunges into the air. Your drones follow, banking hard as the scavenger craft hurls itself through the air at odd angles like a stone bouncing off unseen walls with no regard for aerodynamics. They both vanish into the clouds as weapon flashes cast their silhouettes in the sky.

Your shuttle is quick to arrive behind the fleeing craft, and it begins dropping warriors on the trenches as it flies overhead, the drones landing like bombs atop the scavenger forces. A speaker hops the short distance to the surface as the shuttle grazes the surface and lifts off again, its body landing on the ground as if falling through thick oil. The drone stands upright as it calmly walks through the rapidly escalating combat, as a scavenger lunges in its direction only for its head to be snagged by the tail of a heavy warrior and it is torn back into the maze of dugouts. Projectiles rip into nearby walls and blaster bolts hurl into the air with sizzling pops as they dissipate at range, and you approach the human your information indicates is in charge of this group.

He glances to your drone for a moment with startled surprise at its nonchalant saunter in the middle of battle, then turns back to face the large scavenger pack alpha set before him. He wears a black suit of move assist armor. Not quite a drop suit, but a far cry from the meager plates of polymer most PDFs are equipped with. His shoulder holds a mark of some likely powerful military or political faction within the Commonwealth that means little to you, while a dark cloak made of some insulative material is tied to his shoulders bearing a similar symbol of some kind of minor nobility. A shimmering thermal loop extends from his wrist and quickly glows red hot as it sinks through the Scavenger's natural claws, and he strikes out at the creater with several quick jabs to the chest. It lunges at him, going for the throat, and he palms the scavenger's blade away before swinging his arm over the creature's weapon surgically embedded in its arm, ripping through it with a shower of sparking plasma.
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>>1564746
99.9998% chance it was the end war moms ancestors faught.
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>>1564741
He's a bit of both honestly. He's used Aussie exclusive slang before so I figure his world was settled by refugees from both nations.
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>>1564739
Well they have someone who is keeping things together and planning things. Furthermore they have rounded up civilians and are using them as human shields, that's pretty smart. We don't have to negotiate for their surrender, I'm just curious what they will say.
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>>1564746
If the scav soldiers knew what their origins in the Before-Time were the guy you've already captured and read the minds would have revealed it already.
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>>1564704
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Careful you are getting your nose in your soup there buddy.

Money can equate to mass of military assets and campaign endurance but it in no ways translates to military prowess. shown by the Aral event where one lyle fucked their shit up.

There has yet to be an event where the whales are tested ship to ship with any force and I dont expect there to ever be one barring overwhelming negative odds on the valen side. They would most likely retreat and burn any unrecoverable assets in their wake rather then risk life and shekel defending expendable assets. At which point we will probably see something epic as they drug themselves up to the gills blasting ancient whalesong war-chants and we will get a fairly spectacular light show.

The insult is the same as all of the hive jokes, its less driven by a desire to insult and more an effort to attain maximum cheek. Cheekvana is the goal of all Hive jokes.
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>>1564729
>Not lyle as captain ahab
"To the last, i barter with thee; from hell's angel, i orbit drop at thee; for money's sake, i spit my last offer at thee."
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>>1564757
More or less. I'm just bad at writing a south african accent so people read it as australian and I just rolled with it, so it's sorta just a mix of both at this point.
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>>1564751
I love our children.
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>>1564751
Speakers dont give no fuck
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>>1564764
Are you implying Lyle is incapable of fucking up people who have military prowess?

Lyle fucks up the shit of all peoples with no discrimination.
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>>1564775
I'd love to see our speaker just casually lift and throw the Scav Alpha out of the way with telekinesis.
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>>1564767
Moby Dick was so painfully dry and very lack in terms of entertainment value. Also Croc hunter Lyle has more meme value and if he were Ahab he's be hunting for a great white worm.
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>>1564746
>>1564761
Even if they don't know, they might know of someone who does, they might have a separate educated class which we could contact for a prisoner exchange or something. There are lots of possibilities for profit here other than just getting to test out some combat tactics in "whateverthehellthisplanetisgrad"
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>>1564782
Im implying that in the dictionary next to military prowess is a picture of Lyle... His picture is also next to the entry for cunt. I think Lyle just defaced this copy of the dictionary, or maybe Theseus was having a giggle, but those two instances seem accurate enough.
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>>1564787
Our speakers have medium relays right? And we can use nausea field +implant thought with medium relays right?
"FEAR ME!"
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>>1564751
Is this dude a knight of some sort? Cause I love me some space age chivalry.
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>>1564764
Actually the principles for economic conflict and military conflict are pretty much the same. Though the guy in charge of economic operations is more likely to get killed than the military commander is.
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>>1564797
Sounds about right. As an added benefit (sort of), the humans will (probably) be less effected by a psychic field than the Scavs are due to genetically enforced human psionic blindness.
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>>1564797
Making them cower in fear from the speaker might heavily imply a psionic trick in public though, which would be a shame to give that away so soon.

At 10 meters or less we can make him flinch with a killer headache when Darth Vader here needs a weakness to exploit though.

>>1564812
It's not an indiscriminate area of effect, you can target it.
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>>1564818
We know their language, we could just yell fear me at them in their language.
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Can medium drones use psionic abilities if they're in a large drone's honey pot?
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>>1564797
No, those are our ambassador drones you're thinking of, they're a little too valuable to deploy onto a battlefield for strategic coordination with human forces like this. The common speaker is simply a worker with a specialized set of mandibles for vocal speech.

You know what we should think about deploying for situations like these? A small, fluffy speaker, designed to appear unintimidating as possible to local forces to avoid friendly fire accidents and improve communication. According to the pastebin small drones can be as large as 1 meter tall, which is just about the right size for a fluffy midget drone. It would even be big enough to wield a photon blade with both it's arms in fight!
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>>1564797
>>1564812
>>1564818
If we do this it has to reference couches in some form. Seriously, they haven't even apologized once for that shit yet.
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>>1564823
>yell
Their 'language' is a series of smells. We don't even have a pheromone-emitting adaptation yet.
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Gods dammit Commonwealth why are you guys so fucking cool? Are all the badasses humans un the Commonwealth?
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>>1564823
Who needs language? We can broadcast an overwhelming fear response directly into their minds when our speaker/relays are close enough. Fear doesn't need to be in words in order to be a concept.
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>>1564823
The scavs speak through pheromones.
>>1564828
Actually i specifically remember our speakers have been upgraded with medium relays, someone once linked me the thread where that was voted.
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>>1564828
No, all speakers seem to have moderate relays now. Speakers just fulfill the role of ambassador to the humans.

The speaker design was modified long ago. And you forgot it's had color changing skin for even longer.
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>>1564844
>Actually i specifically remember our speakers have been upgraded with medium relays, someone once linked me the thread where that was voted.

Sounds accurate to me too. We are rich enough now we aren't even keeping track of individual drones costs and speakers are relatively rare.
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>>1564835
they have radio communication of some sort, They would have to in order to be doing what they are currently doing.

Also we only tried to talk to them once, we fudged the roll really bad and they shot at us, we can probably do better right now since we have them surrounded, outnumbered, outgunned, and we have cut off all means of escape or reinforcement.
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>>1564828
Are you saying that we can create yoda sized jedi moths? Why haven't we done so yet?
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>>1564844
Think you could do the same for me? Cause that's a pretty big deal, that would massively raise the risk of one of our medium relays falling into the wrong hands and getting reverse engineered/dissected. This would mean we'd need every single speaker under top security every time we dispatched one to interact with other species or risk having our psionics stolen from us.
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>>1564831
We never even asked for couches before they started stealing our stuff. Also why would they apologize? I don't think they have a word for that.
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>>1564867
Speakers are rare, guarded, and can self-destruct at literally any time anon, jesus.

And reverse engineering a moderate relay is about as likely as a caveman reverse engineering an iPhone.
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>>1564860
Because it's stupid. Really really stupid.
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>>1564851
There's a difference between creating a new design like we did with the ambassador, and modifying every single drone with an established template. Which thread was this? I can't recall ever seeing something like this.
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>>1564860
Yoda is overrated, colorful hippie siths are where the fun is at.
And their voice doesn't match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7l7joQhmYE
>>1564867
Nope, the thread completely slipped my mind and now i can't remember, i'll try to look for it.
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>>1564873
Well said.
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>>1564838
I think it's because we mainly interact with union politicians, giving us a poor impression of them, while the commonwealth people we deal with tend to be people on the front lines, who tend to be much more capable professionals.
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>>1564867
Moderate is the absolute minimum they need to be able to reverse engineer.
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>>1564873
I don't remember including self destruct organs in their design either!

>>1564880
Thanks dude. And we could include chem producing organs into our little hippy sith drones so they can make everyone around them trip balls. I still want to live test that compound on humans at some point too, should be worth a good laugh.
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>>1564891
>I don't remember including self destruct organs in their design

Have you read this quest at all?

The speaker was only the first application of acid glands, ever, and the entire impetus for inventing it.
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>>1564886
Yeah, and the medium relay is what's required to do all the fun things like read minds and set things on fire with our thoughts. If every speaker in the hive has one that's not only a game changer but poses a huge risk for us every time we need to deploy one outside of the hive.
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>>1564897
I think all our speakers variants have acid glands or some form of self-destruct. I know a lot of different speaker designs have been proposed over the course of the quest so my guess is the other Anon's confusion is stemming from his thinking we are using one speaker design as our "main" design when really we are using another or a conglomeration of a number of other designs.
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>>1564897
I remember fitting one that was sent to Seiners labratory funhouse, not making them an integral part of the design. If that decision effected every drone we voted on then every worker drone is now carrying highly volatile and easily ruptured acid glands.
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>>1564751
>1564541
>The corpses of scavenger troops are piled near the trenches, and the heads of several have been mounted on wooden spikes crudely plunged into the ground. You can spot several of the body piles burning with a simmering smolder as their armor melts from within charred flesh.

Wait, Human Thinker, your humans have left perfectly good nutrients lying around to rot! Don't worry we'll correct this oversight and take all this away to be recycled.

Let's drag all Scav corpses onto our shuttles, and see if we can stick any mostly intact brain-heart-organs or wherever they store their memories into some bio-tanks.

And, it goes without saying, recycle the rest.
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>>1564899
What is the Risk? Moderate relays are not the ones that can be jammed or have their signals be sent throughout the Hive (those are advanced relays). Speakers are heavily guarded and equipped with self-destructs. The odds of a relay being collected by an enemy are astronomical.

None of the human factions will risk our wrath by trying to reverse engineer a relay. The only risks on that front are the Scavs (who are locked down and can't get off planet since we're destroying them whenever possible), and possibly the Valen. While the Valen might be able to actually learn something from a recovered intact moderate relay (after a very, very long research period), they have no way to collect one at present and it would require them to back an extremely risky attack on a major hive force to even have a chance of recovering a moderate relay at all.
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>>1564927
>Scavs (who are locked down and can't get off planet since we're destroying them whenever possible),
Pretty sure their Flotilla is still out there and this is only an invasion fleet, a portion of it
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>>1564904
Yeah just checked the pastebin and you're right about the self destruct organs. In my defense, that was over three years ago now. I still don't remember adding medium relays to all the speakers and according the page I'm looking at they still don't have them.

Speaker
Olfactory: Basic 0
Acoustic: Basic 0
Psionic: Basic 0
Mandibles: Vocalizer 2
Blade: Combat 1
Arms: Dex 1
Legs: Endurance 1
Utility: Acid Glands 1
Carapace: Mimetic skin 2

For all the many, many speaker varients that have been proposed, the only variation from this design that I'm aware of ever being made official was the ambassador drone, which included a relay, bipedal legs and a quantum brain. I've been assuming that any speaker in the quest was either one of those two drone types, and I've yet to notice anything to the contrary.
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>>1564927
>None of the human factions will risk our wrath by trying to reverse engineer a relay.
I laugh at your ignorance. The Union was, not one day ago, trying to dissect what they thought was one of our drones. You had better believe that they will happily do the same to the recovered body of any of our children. Their scientists would bust a nut at the mere chance to examine an intact relay.
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>>1564943
QD hasn't touched the pastebin in ages, anon. It's only good for checking if you want to know what hive tech was like two or three hiatuses ago.
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>>1564955
>The Union was, not one day ago, trying to dissect what they thought was one of our drones.

And look what happened because of that.
The point I was making is that in order to seize a moderate relay the humans would have to sponsor an attack on the hive or at a bare minimum deliberately obstruct our drones recovery operations from an existing battle. That's something they have absolutely no political will to do because they know that kind of thing could lead to a war they would lose
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Well i give up on finding the vote.
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>>1564751
The human quickly pulls out a sidearm and places several rounds into the scavenger's armored hide as it hurls its arm out in pain, thrashing the destroyed husk of the blaster on its wrist about its side. It turns and lashes out with its blades as the human side steps one, then blocks the second strike with the thermal loop at his wrist. Your drone twitches its mandibles, chittering softly as the scavenger's footing slips and it falls to the ground. The human quickly moves in for a brief moment and slices into the scavenger's neck as its featureless beak-like head flops down, hanging from a bleeding strip of flesh as its body lashes out blindly in rage, and the human ducks back out of its range.

The pack alpha swings its claws through the air as it gets up, whirling its claws in wide arcs to either side as your speaker ducks below the passing blade, then leaps back onto its hind legs as it pulls itself closer, gripping the creature's arms as your drone's legs unfold, the forelegs gripping the scavenger's wrists as the drone digs into its shoulders with its clawed graspers, and pulls with arms and forelegs at once. Both arms come loose with a spray of vibrantly colored blood and the speaker's large and elaborate beak comes down into the scavenger's shoulder and digs into the relatively unarmored patch of flesh, digging deep into its neck as it searches for the main artery of its liquid nervous system, and then tears it out like a bird plucking a small weed by the roots. The scavenger collapses as your drone folds its legs back into a bipedal stance, standing tall over the armed human as its bright coat of fur glisten with scavenger blood.

"The human general has informed the hive of humans in need of assistance." Your speaker says. The human looks to your drone as his thermal loop retracts and the small cooling vents begin to simmer along his wrist, and he quickly grabs a long rifle from the ground, then hoists it towards the trench entrance nearby, placing two quick ferrous slugs into the chest of another scavenger as it charges, before being quickly torn into by the claws of your warriors as they plunge their mandibles into the body.

"Humans are wasteful with nutrients." Your speaker says as several wasps land around the alpha's corpse, quickly picking it apart, devouring whatever can be consumed, augments and all.

cont.
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>>1564982
I think this is the one.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/41641753/#41644365
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>>1565007
No fucks be given
Fear the Speaker
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>>1565007
A reminder that even the friendly speaker is only a moment away from turning into a monstrous killing machine.
Nice
>>1565013
Thanks QD!
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>>1565013
Yeah I thought this was what he may have been talking about. The ambassador was a distinct design from the speaker drone, not an upgrade right? That's how I wrote it in at the time anyway.
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>>1565013
I don't think it was this one, it was a vote to add medium relays to the speaker.
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>>1565038
I think the ambassador has been used as our standard base speaker design for some time. Even if not it's original intention, it is now effectively a universally applied upgrade.
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Is there any real reason to not spam the Scavs communications channels? Even if we don't negotiate it would definitely disrupt things if we spam their comms.
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>>1565054
If we jam the Scav's communications we won't be able to listen to them?
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>>1565059
Spam, not jam. I suggest tactical shitposting. Maybe give false orders and relay incorrect information.
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>>1565053
With all due respect anon, that's kind of retarded and not at all what we voted for. They're a specialized unit for a specific role, speakers are more of a general purpose unit that can assist worker drones with tasks other than speaking when there is nobody to speak to.
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>>1565038
My understanding while writing for it is that the basic speakers are used for unimportant tasks, usually hanging out with allies and agents inside the hive, while Ambassadors are deployed outside the hive where you need to dress to impress.

Essentially, the normal speaker is like laying around in undies and a tshirt, while the ambassador is sunday best. Your embassy may have a normal speaker just permanently stationed at the front desk once visitors start arriving, for example, just to be the answering machine, and a normal speaker follows Elizabeth arround in the hive, while the ambassador follows non-hive individuals you are speaking with, like Yogesh, Cunningham, or the ambassador drones in the embassy that walk around looking intimidating and fancy.

You can change that policy at any time if you wish, it's just been my interpretation of what the general player opinion was for using them.
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>>1565068
Sounds like a good policy!

Thanks for jumping in and ending this (relatively silly and unimportant) debate. Anons love to argue about just about anything.
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>>1565007
>>1565007
>>1565007
"We were told to expect friendly xeno forces." The human says simply. "The general canceled the retreat, and there has been no shuttle traffic since we first lost orbital dominance in the initial invasion, so any help is welcome." His helmet slides open to reveal his face, a middle aged looking human with bronzed skin and bright blond hair cut short and neat, despite the ever present grit and droplets of blood distributed across his face. His eyes are both artificial, with one a high quality featureless pear in its socket with an iris that shimmers like gold, while the other is a cheap looking field repair sunk in a still bleeding socket that is missing most of the surrounding skin, the bone held still with a bolted-on patchwork of metallic augments.

"My name is Sir William Hughes." The human says. "It's nice to know there's a species out here not looking to kill us. I've received the general briefing over encoded radio, but we were told you would inform us of the details. What I can tell you without any briefing, however, is that if we don't take that AO, we won't have much of a chance securing the local cities."

>Speak with Hughes (write in)
>Ask him a question
>Provide communication with your drones between Hughes and Cunningham
>Other
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>>1565091
Offer him new eyes.
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>>1565091
>>Speak with Hughes (write in)
Then we will take the battery now. Simple.
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>>1565091
offer new eyes and provide communication between him and Cunningham. We will drive these scoundrels from your world!
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>>1565021
>Kent Sprockley here with Quantum Entertainment Radio playing the latest top hit, ''Scavs Fear the Speaker'' by the new group from the Expanse, Cerulean Bivalve Sect. I don't know know about you, folks, but I don't think I could play guitar like that without at least four hands...''
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>>1565091
Actually make that new eyes, more eyes, and more hearts, also offer to do it on the spot if we can.
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>>1565104
>>1565120
Admirable, but as a strictly fast field-repair all we can do is probably shove medical paste on his wound.
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>>1565127
well we could always mutate a drone into a med pod right?
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>>1565091
>Ask him a question
What is the situation with the humans here?

Followed by:
>>1565113
>Then we will take the battery now. Simple.
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>>1565091
>>Ask him a question
Are you aware that you are leaking blood?
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>>1565091
>>1565113


P much.
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>>1565091
>a high quality featureless pear

So, wait, is the iris shaped like the fruit, or...

I guess we can ask him what a S-er is. And what the point of the symbols on him are.
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Write in
Offer medical services for the wounded.
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>>1565132
The cocooning that takes 24 hours?
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>>1565091
also if capturing the battery is time intensive we could just demand they surrender, same result in the end.
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>>1565144
Scavengers have obviously long ago reverse engineered the alien technology called 'lying'.

They will not believe any offers for them to live, any more than if we claim to have couch coupons.
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>>1565091
>Provide communication with your drones between Hughes and Cunningham
Lets ask about what sort of defenses the building has and the general layout of the building including vents, point of entry, security and electrical systems, and also see if digging our in is a possibility.
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>>1565150
they are surrounded, outgunned, and have no chance of coming out of this alive, as far as they know there is no option to surrender and escape is obviously not an option. It's possible that they might be willing to surrender given that the alternative is certain death.
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>>1565150
it's a little silly to not even try.
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I'm not into asking to surrender. Just waste 'em.
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>>1565158
Let me put it to you this way. Would a drone surrender? Because that what a rank and file Scavenger is.
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>>1565162
>>1565158
NO!!! The Scavs shall suffer the Hives wrath! But if the humans want to negotiate then i guess we don't have a choise...after all it's their compatriots that are being used has hostages.
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>>1565168
If i remember the tougher ones are sapient, and either way it wouldn't hurt anything to at least try and give a quick call and ask how they feel about it.

>>1565176
I don't think the humans know we are capable of communicating with them.
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>>1565113
backing
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>>1565181
We're capable, they're just not very interested in having a conversation beyond "Gimme your lunch money, nerd."
That's most of the reason we're pitching in on this war in the first place.
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>>1565246
Well as we are the bigger stronger bully, maybe we should demand theirs?
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>HQQ THREAD
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>>1565249
>buly
>responding in the same treatment they gave us.

fuck that we have blades in our dr9nes for a reason. They are both tools and weapons. Responding toward someones agression isn't bulying. It's called defend yourself.
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>>1565303
Well maybe since we've made our point about defending ourselves, and are now pursuing them onto a planet we have no stake in simply to murder them for giggles and to test a new kind of drone, we should try getting them to back down and stop fighting rather than back them into a corner?
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>>1565249
We're not really bullies. We're at best cheeky. If anything we've protected more species than harmed.
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>>1565310
We have a stake in this planet. The Commonwealth is the human faction were friend courting, and the scans have assaulted us everyone we've found one.
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>>1565317
Wars typically end in a negotiated peace, not genocide. We have not even made them aware that surrender is an option, this isn't a video game, negotiating a surrender with the enemy is fine when role playing. Also I never meant we were bullies as much as we were bigger and stronger and the post I was replying to compared them to a schoolyard bully.
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>>1565310
Last time we tried to talk they tricked us and tried to steal our ship. I'm sorry if i'm not willing to seat at a same table then this fuckers. Besides we are here so the scavs can't get human tech and reverse engennier it and at the same time keep scav tech as faraway as we can from auntie.
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>>1565310
As the true socialist solution, we have an obligation to righteousness everywhere to pursue the upholstery deceivers.
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>>1565328
When they send a message to us whishing to stop agressions we will respond then. Until then it's war!!!
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>>1565329
What about sitting at the same couch?
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If we end up doing sneaky things, I don't think we should openly reveal the use of adaptive camouflage drones.

It'd too easy to make the humans paranoid about things that are actually true.
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>>1565310
>Defending scav scum
M8, they're barely even sentient. As a matter of fact, most of them aren't sapient at all. Considering they're also the most persistently agressive and uninterested in peaceful contact in the quest, I'd say the only way of dealing with them is to kill them all.
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>>1565329
If we try and talk to them and it doesn't go well we can always exterminate them, but we have solved most of our problems so far with diplomacy, This one could work out too. Hell we even managed to negotiate with the horror movie monster from a million years ago. I'm not arguing for total peace between us and them, you can take prisoners even when you're still at war with them, and obviously we would take precautions this time.
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>>1565352
Or thin their numbers until they decide to leave this space.
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>>1565352
I am pretty sure QD added the Obsidian Bitch and the scavs so that he could sate the bloodlust of anons who wanted to kill all of humanity
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>>1565328
This
>>1565329
The scans have fucked us over before. We're not a video game but this isn't like we pushed into a scam planet and are trying to capture their territory. They're actively invading this and other worlds in the system because they're loot-and-kill jerkoffs. It's like asking Vikings to surrender while they're busy raiding your neighbors house
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>>1565352
#notallscavengers

You bigot, why don't you just let them have what they want because it's their culture?
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>>1565364
The scavs have already shpwed they want to take everything and not negotiation. The only way this will work is if we thin their numbers or give then a good bite and show we also have fangs to defend ourselfs.

So when the scav call us to talk about diplomacy THEN and only then i will listen to then.
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>>1565352
There aren't many more nonsapient Scavs than there are nonsapient humans or Valen.
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>>1565364
Extermination would be a waste of resources. If they wont accept terms at any points during the war then we just have to keep beating them until they leave. Afterall,they are nomads.
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>>1565377
I'm just arguing that we can take this position with less fighting by getting at least some to surrender. Also Scavs that are surrounded or unable to continue fighting might not fight to the bitter end but instead surrender, which could be better in the long term.
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>>1565352
So basically they're space Caucasians lol
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>>1565385
They're not surrounded or overpowered though. They're mid invasion lol.
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>>1565384
I'm not arguing for the total strategic change you are, I don't think the Scavs at the battery surrendering means their whole species becomes non hostile. We just point out to the ones here that they are in an untenable position and could be allowed to surrender and be imprisoned.
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>>1565391
Fuck off racist
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>>1565385
Oh you mean accept surrender and take prisoners of war? Of course i'm okay with that. We aren't savages, but till now they have show they aren't the surrender type.
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>>1565399
They are surrounded on a planetary scale. We took out their fleet in orbit and they can probably tell that because the orbital bombardment stopped being from their ships and started being from ours.
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>>1565380
Wrong.
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>>1565400
I didnt say that. I was referring to the race as a whole
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>>1565404
well we haven't exactly made any overtones about being anything but a mindless swarm of bugs to this group, i doubt they think it's an option.
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>>1565400
The scavs at our ship showed the same behavior if the scavs can't take something they will blow up everything. if anything telling then this will make then try to sabotage and destroy the human defenses. And we promised the general to get the batteries intact and mother always keep her word. So between accepting scavs surrender and risk then rig the place we need to take to our allies i would rather help our allies sorry.
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>>1565385
I don't see why we would want less fighting. These bastards have shown themselves to be absolute savages of the highest order. They're forcefully invading a world, destroying everything they can't steal and are using civvies as human shields. Even if they do surrender they deserve to be wiped out. What use are they to us alive anyway?
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>>1565421
Well they know the humans aren't so they can try talk to the humans oh wait... well guess that ain't happening face it anon. This is a situation that only being messy works we can't risk they trying to blow up our allies planetary defenses.
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>>1565091
"This speaker can relay information securely with human leaders." Your drone chirps. "We will provide assistance to capture the human weapons back from enemy occupation."

"That's good to hear, but we should probably continue the discussion inside." Hughes says. Your drone examines the area as the human gestures to the nearby starship wreck. An opening along the hull forms a kind of cave entrance where sandbags have been stacked up high, and your drone follows him as he enters.

"We had to fall back here after they overwhelmed our position. It's concealed, for the most part, and made for a good enough bomb shelter at the time to hold out for reinforcements or evac." He says. "Though it's not like we could hold out after they were able to take the fort at the AO battery." You follow Hughes into the hulk. The interior is dimly lit with a mixture of patches of light shining through hull punctures in the empty shield cap above, and flood lights set up along the walls that hum softly with their generators. Crates of various supplies are stacked throughout the chamber, most serving double duty as tables or beds, while humans take naps in their armor against the far wall or maintain their equipment in small makeshift workshops built from portable machining devices unfolded from several crates. They all pause in their work as your drone walks past, with several snoring humans being jostled awake by their compatriots.

"Where's the lieutenant?" Hughes asks the room at large. A young looking man with a plate of false skin plastered over his shaved head waves his hand as he cleans his weapon.

"He's in the mess, sir." He says simply. You look in the direction he pointed to, where a bulkhead has been torn open by some long ago battle damage, where now a simple fabric curtain hangs in its place. Several humans sit around a small barrel holding a fire with a set of welded metal bars set overtop it, where some kind of animal meat is being roasted. One of the humans holds a moderately sized object made of wood with some strings stretched over a empty chamber with a hole in it. You reach for its name in the minds of your allies and find it is called a guitar, possibly one of the oldest human musical instrument still in common use. It seems worn and damaged, but still functional as the human strums it while singing. The humans around him sing with him as they pass around slices of meat and a small whisky canteen between each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNdMC6_eUGk

Hughes parts the fabric for a moment and looks through, and a human standing behind the others, eating from a small metal box of processed food quickly moves over to the main chamber. The human quickly looks over your drone as you hear whispers growing from the others.

cont.
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>>1565426
That anon is just trying to be everyones friend. He doesn't get the idea of defend himself or his ego is so inflated that he thinks since we are so technological superior we can stop all this fight and inflate it.
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>>1565440
We should play this on that guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t87hLjIg44w
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>>1565447
i just figured it would be faster.
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>>1565139
No we would just call him Sir since its his first name silly speaker all humans have wierd names
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>>1565440
>Carmen Miranda's Ghost- Space Hero
QD I have difficulty expressing my adoration for this quest and how you run it. The Commonwealth was the first thing I thought of when I heard this tune for the first time.
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>>1565415
The only nonsapients are literal babies. This nonsapient majority shit is fake news.
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>>1565451
No, killing then, that is faster.
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>>1565454
The babies make up almost the entirety of their fighting force, and honestly the commanders aren't that much smarter. They have yet to display the kind of intelligence required to produce a strategy that isn't contingent on killing everything and gtfo as fast as possible.
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>>1565350
Humans will be paranoid whether they have evidence or not its human nature >>1565380
Considering sentience is more of a measure of how "human" a thing is rather than a measure of how aware a thing is you can make the arguments that 100% of scavangers are non sentient
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>>1565466
Sieges and urban combat in Tiberiongrad will not be faster than getting an enemy that has been cut off from reinforcement and support by an enemy with force superiority to surrender.

>>1565473
it was specifically mentioned that the non sentient babies were used more as dogs of war than as full combatants.
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>>1565480
With that kind of statment wouldn't it mean the Hive is non-sentient then?
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>>1565473
>The babies make up almost the entirety of their fighting force

Wrong.
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>>1565483
Killing is faster then talking. Face it anon this ain't happening.
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>>1565473
Just stop lying, the babies are like war dogs, the grunts aren't the kids
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>>1565490
The grunts are still neuter gender, and those guys are...not terribly bright. Definitely not bright enough to think not to shoot all the humans on this planet they can.
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>>1565500
>The grunts are still neuter gender
The shit does that have to do with anything?
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>>1565505
Their ranks and their genders are basically the same thing. The grunts are neuter, the commanders (who do the actual birthing, ironically) are male, and the matriarchs are the female leaders who decide which commander gets to have kids and when. Read the 1d4chan page on them if you want to know more about em.
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>>1565520
Do... you mean 'neutral'?
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>>1565520
No fucking shit, but what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Total non sequitur.
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>>1565485
Wouldn't it ants aren't sentient but their still one of the most intelligent and technological advanced species on our planet
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>>1565488
This is all a digression from my main point that we should offer them the option to surrender. There isn't a real good reason not to offer it to them.
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>>1565533
I am saying that their age, experience, rank, and yes, their gender, would appear to contribute to their overall intelligence and decision making ability. The older and more genders they go through, the more sapient they become. We have yet to see any sort of advanced intelligence displayed by a grunt, nowhere near the kind required to make complex strategic decisions or communicate with life forms that use something as novel as sound waves to talk to one another.
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>>1565544
I say let then ask to be taken as prisoner at first. if they don't want to try to communicate that is bad luck for then.
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>>1565440
"So we have reinforcements then? What about the evac?" He asks Hughes.

"Not coming. We're going back into the fight." Hughes says. "The speaker is in contact with the Lord General from here. We can organize a proper operation and move in while the hive breaks their perimeter."

"I'll get the men ready to move out. Are we getting a ride in? We lost a lot of our transports falling back."

"No. I already cleared that with the general. All aircraft are busy, and this area is still filled with xeno air power." Hughes turns to your drone. "We will need to set up a convoy to attack the position. We'll need close air support to keep those pulse jets off our people or we won't make it five feet."

>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
>accept to provide cover for the human convoy
>Other (write in)
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>>1565559
>>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
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>>1565559
>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle

Jolly cooperation time!!
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>>1565559
>>Other (write in)
Offer both transportation and covering fire with our fluttercraft, chinook drones, and other assorted aerial units for rapid deployment to target area.
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>>1565559
>>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
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>>1565559
>accept to provide cover for the human convoy
As the guy said, place is still filled with enemy air forces, and humans are not used to our shuttles.
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>>1565565
>>>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
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>>1565559
>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
Cooperation, ho!
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>>1565576
oops I mean
>>1565559
>>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
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>>1565573
I farly believe we will send some air supporr to protect our shuttles anon.
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>>1565559
>>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle

Why use a convoy when you can ride in a giant liver?
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>>1565550
They have goddamn engineers, anon. Technical maintenance to do. You think the tiny minority of alphas are the ones doing that on every ship?
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>>1565586
>engineers
>adept communicators
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>>1565559
Offer to secure the area and set up a field medical camp so they don't need to evac then handle the retaking of the objective ourselves to minimize human casualties, drones are more replaceable than humans.
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>>1565594
I agree with your plan, but that last point is projecting. For the hive, humans are more replaceable than drones.
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>>1565604
No, drones are entirely replaceable, we eat our dead, get the biomass back.
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>>1565604
nah, the drones are like our fingernails. they are nearly infinitely replaceable. This doesn't mean we love them any less though.
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>>1565559
>accept to provide cover for the human convoy
This is the best opportunity to deploy the Titan
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Hm, on second thought perhaps the humans won't do well inside Hive transports...
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>>1565559
>offer instead to ferry the humans in by hive shuttle
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>>1565618
Supporting.
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>>1565618
Why can't we deploy titans alongside the humans. I don't think we're hurting for ships or transports...
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How tall is a titan?
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>>1565616
Yeah, but they still require re laying. Humans, we can just go adopt a new set. They lay themselves and take care of their own biomass, no interference needed.
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>>1565619
That just makes it even more fun.

Maybe they'll hurl pre-liquefied nutrients from their mouths again for us.
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>>1565626
No I mean the Titan would be perfect to provide anti-air cover as it follows the humans land convoy. Can have fighters or some of those atmospheric fighter-drones we've never really used
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>>1565629
A solid point, should we open a human ranch to guarantee a steady supply? just set them out to pasture on an empty planet somewhere.
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...Is QD watching E3 while writing?
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>>1565636
Bethesda fucking sucked
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v is blowing up the chans
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>>1565629
drones are replaced in days, it takes months for a new human to be born and then years for it to be usefull for operations.

the scale in my mind is
0losses optimum
Individuals > x Drones
Allied individuals > x Drones * 2
Adopted individuals > Universe
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>>1565559
Your speaker chitters its mandibles. "Time is important. The Hive can provide shuttle transport to the humans."

"What about the armored vehicles?" The Lieutenant asks. "Besides, the sky is swarming with aircraft. Our chances are better on the ground."

"No, you said yourself, the convoy took losses. We don't have enough space for everything. We can have an advance force move in with the hive's shuttles, and the convoy can come in behind. It will still need cover, but the shuttles should be able to pull double duty as a distraction while hive interceptors deal with the enemy air power." Heughes looks over the men in the chamber, most of them watching your drone warily, and then looks back to the lieutenant. "We can load up the convoy with wounded and equipment if we use the hive shuttles for the initial fighting force. There's a lot more medical equipment we had to leave behind."

"Yes sir, I'll get the men ready to deploy." The lieutenant says. Hughes nods, then turns to your drone.

"We'll need to clear the airspace."

"The Hive can do this."

"And once we get there, we're going to need heavy ground support the whole way. Our numbers are too thin, and we've taken too many casualties on top of that."

"The Hive is skilled in planetary combat. The humans will move in after the area has been cleared. The Hive will make the initial attack." Your drone says.

"Sounds good. I appreciate the support. It's hard to ask someone to bleed for someone else's world." Hughes says.

"The hive is unending. Drones are replaceable and recyclable. Humans are more difficult to replace."

"Right, we heard you were a gestalt, but still, we appreciate the help." Hughes replies. "Get your shuttles over here and we'll start loading them up at your direction. We just need enough for the men, the convoy will bring in the gear and wounded behind us. On the up side, the heavy armor can move in faster now since the trucks won't need as close a support." Hughes examines the men again as the lieutenant walks over to them and begins shouting orders that send them leaping to their feet. You can hear the roar of vehicle engines as trucks begin rolling up from deeper in the chamber where men being piling equipment and carrying wounded up into the vehicles.
cont.


>>1565636
No, sorry I've just been feeling a bit sick is all. Sorry I'm so slow tonight.
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>>1565649
No worries at all QD. Take care of yourself. There's no shame at all in ending early if you're coming down with something. You can always run a midweek thread if you feel up for it.
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>>1565649
>"The hive is unending. Drones are replaceable and recyclable. Humans are more difficult to replace.
Please take care of yourself QD
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>>1565646
Speaking of adopting, I really hope we end up adopting Space Templar Guy, he'd make a nice foil to Lyle.
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>>1565676
I actually went back to the thread nearly two weeks after it ran to save that, it's so perfect.
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>>1565665
Don't worry anon. With time all humans shall come to feel Mother's loving embrace on their spines.
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>>1565649
Say, could we load up some of those shuttles with medi pods, or just some big tanks of medi-gel? If they've got wounded we could probably patch up the more lightly wounded ones to full fighting readiness in minutes.
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>>1565689
a good idea, we could probably even get some of the dead ones fighting fit in a few hours with our biotech, and it would make the humans want it more once the rumors get out.
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>>1565649
Your wounded ships in orbit examine the region in detail. It will require quite an effort to retake the position from your estimate. Multiple layers of artillery and anti-aircraft gun emplacements surround the anti-orbital battery, and missile silos can be seen nearby, although you doubt the scavengers have access to the far more complex process of targeting and firing long range missile systems, especially if they have not used them so far. The entire facility is atop elevated terrain, with no visible cover within nearly a five hundred meters of open terrain surrounding layers of pillboxes and reinforced bunkers. The landscape surrounding it is marked with craters and smoldering vehicles that could serve as some form of cover, but not with any real effectiveness for long, and makeshift repairs have sealed off sections where the bunkers have been blasted open. Aircraft patrol the area in surprising numbers, and a makeshift airport has been erected where the oblong but deceptively agile pulse jet aircraft refuel and rearm.

>Have your airborne drones intercept the aircraft and overwhelm them
>Use your large drones to provide anti-aircraft fire and surround the position
>Send in an overwhelming number of drones and shuttles, and simply swarm the defences and destroy the airport
>Other (write in)
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>>1565693
>Send in an overwhelming number of drones and shuttles, and simply swarm the defences and destroy the airport

It worked for our ancestors, it will work for us.
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>>1565693
>>Have your airborne drones intercept the aircraft and overwhelm them
>>Deploy medi-tanks and large amounts of medi-gel to local wounded forces
Air superiority is the name of the game.
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>>1565693
Wasn't the plan we made last thread to dig under them and and attack above ground at the same time once our tunnel breached them?
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>>1565698
I don't know if the humans will let us toss bleeding humans into deadly looking pitcher plants full of blades and needles and claws on such short notice.
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>>1565693
>Use your large drones to provide anti-aircraft fire and surround the position
>Send in an overwhelming number of drones and shuttles, and simply swarm the defences and destroy the airport
Suppress and eliminate air-crafts while the swarm pushes.
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>>1565699
That was for a different location, wasn't it? That was a fortified bunker, this is a key city loaded to gunwales with AA defenses. But if we have the time to do that, we could do that too. That would help the human forces get past the minefields unmolested alright.
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>>1565701
but it would be great to have our speaker toss out some vegue ultimatum like "if you wish for your forces to survive you must enter the maw." have them soooper spooked. then they pop out all healed and the speaker says something like "Now go save your comrades"
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>>1565699
That was just something anon said when they had no idea of what the specific terrain was like. Note that the speaker said nothing about it after that writein.

Digging does not actually seem feasible here. It's not like dealing with Lyle.
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>>1565693
>Use your large drones to provide anti-aircraft fire and surround the position
Low risk, easy to stop them from using the airport.
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>>1565699
>>1565703
Yeah that was some industrial city somewhere else I think
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>>1565693
>>Use your large drones to provide anti-aircraft fire and surround the position
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>>1565705
Why the fuck would we do that?
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>>1565693
would it be possible to encircle them then just leave them there and move on? It doesn't sound like this building is that vital for anything but its position, we could just leave them there.
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>>1565693
>>Send in an overwhelming number of drones and shuttles, and simply swarm the defences and destroy the airport

We are the Hive. We are endless. We will Swarm.

I'm assuming we can still use tactics like deploying large drones for cover and use airborne drones for superiority while still swarming with overwhelming numbers.
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>>1565710
cheek
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>>1565706
Wait, never mind, reading further down in the thread. There's the tunneling. That was for the industrial sector, yeah.
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>>1565714
Its less cheek and more scare our allies for no reason
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>>1565693
Backing
>>1565702
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>>1565717
They'll see it was all just a cultural misunderstanding after a very short period of terror.
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>>1565693
>Send in an overwhelming number of drones and shuttles, and simply swarm the defences and destroy the airport
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>>1565720
They'll go "Why did they say they were sending our soldiers are going into a pit of death when it is a healing tank?"
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>>1565711
Goddamn how much of a fucking peacnik are you? This is an airport, it doesn't matter if they're encircled, they can keep launching aircraft as long as the facility is operational.
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how about we take advantage of our superior numbers and battlefield construction abilities, have waves of drones advance say 50 meters and then dig in, encircle the building and slowly move in from all sides, building up defenses of our own around it, then slowly overwhelm them.
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>>1565723
i got mixed up, i thought it was an aa battery, if we gotta take an airport then we can just surround it with flak and shell it.
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>>1565722
yes thats why it is funny. We are telling them they must be healed to rejoin the fight thus improving the survival chance of their forces. This is elementary, why would they think we would eat them, that would reduce the human combat effectiveness.
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RIP My titan dream...

maybe someday you can be free
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>>1565693
>>Send in an overwhelming number of drones and shuttles, and simply swarm the defences and destroy the airport

Let's see if they have a pre-set kill limit.
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>>1565730
It comes off as more LOLRANDUMB than cheeky. Actually, not at all cheeky.
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>>1565734
This is how we have always rolled. Most jokes not built off of props like the couch or the lighter are built of of we are fuck ass scary looking but just want to cuddle.
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>>1565735
But it lacks the humor that our cheekiness entails. Either my soul left my body after watching E3 or your joke wasn't funny
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>>1565731
We can still have titans fighting. They'll just be fighting along the rest of the Hive rather than in isolation.
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>>1565722
>some vegue ultimatum like "if you wish for your forces to survive you must enter the maw."

That was just their pessimistic misreading of it, obviously.
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>>1565693
Your ships in orbit begin to shed more shuttles, deploying what drones you have yet to dispatch to the surface, while others begin redistributing forces from smaller, less critical regions that are already under relative control. You are quick to measure the ranges of the defences with data provided by the Commonwealth forces of both their own and the scavenger artillery guns and you begin establishing landing zones beyond their range for the vast majority of your forces, and the shuttles then divert to pick up the human troops.

Trucks are loaded with gear and wounded, while tanks and armored transports began driving out on their way back to the target site.

"We still have a few short range gunships." Hughes shouts over the growing noise of thrusters and vehicle engines. "We'll do what we can, but we'll hold back until you give us the signal and drop in behind you." He says to your speaker, then he points to several others standing nearby. "You're with me, we need to secure the logistics center. They've been using it since they arrived but if we show up on their doorstep chances are they'll try to destroy what they can. Hive secures the fort, we take the logistics center and we can get direct access to every city on the continent." The humans give a quick salute as they bring down the faceplates of their helmets.

A shuttle touches down in front of the hulking wreck as humans run up into its open hold, officers shouting directions as they pour in before another lands next to it just as the first begins to take off. The convoy begins to pass by the circling swarm of shuttles as tanks roll by, followed by massive mobile artillery vehicles, their guns secured as human troops cover the armored hulls as they still work to secure bags of supplies even as it drives out into the snowy field beyond.

"We haven't got anything close to the numbers or firepower to take this place alone." Hughes says to your drone. "You need to hit it hard. Damage to the facility is perfectly acceptable, so long as the site is taken."

>Send your speaker with Hughes to maintain contact
>Have your speaker ride with the convoy
>Other (write in)
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>>1565763
>>Send your speaker with Hughes to maintain contact
Why not disassembler then?
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>>1565763
>Damage to the facility is perfectly acceptable, so long as the site is taken."
FIRE UP THE PLASMA ASSAULT CANNONS

>Send your speaker with Hughes to maintain contact
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while we are attacking can we broadcast bad intel over the scav comms? like mimic voices we here and say that attacks are happening in different parts of the facility?
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>>1565763
>Send your speaker with Hughes to maintain contact

>>1565764
>Why not disassembler then?
I suppose it's because it's an anti orbital facility that could damage overhead ships ships or (more likely) shoot down most missiles launched from orbit. It's a good question, though.

I suspect this is an opportunity to show off our cool drones, which would be much less interesting if we just nuked the site from orbit.
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>>1565763
Clearly next time we need to send backup speakers in case of this need to split and coordinate with multiple human groups.
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>>1565770
We can still hack into the human radios easily, right? It would be simple enough for us to just give instructions over the human radios directly regardless of any encryption they have.
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>>1565763
>>Send your speaker with Hughes to maintain contact
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>>1565763
>Send your speaker with Hughes to maintain contact
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>>1565763
"This speaker will accompany you." You say. Hughes seems to hesitate for a moment.

"Alright, just keep to cover and don't go walking into any more crossfire."

The shuttles begin the quick journey, and already the sound of distant gunfire has begun to pick up as the first of your shuttles begin to arrive, and your drones begin to swarm over the position.

Please roll 1d100, best of 3.
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Rolled 64 (1d100)

>>1565779
Oh lawd
For mother!
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Rolled 33 (1d100)

>>1565779
For Mother!
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Rolled 31 (1d100)

>>1565779
>>1565779
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Rolled 83 (1d100)

>>1565779
For mother!
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Rolled 50 (1d100)

>>1565779
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>>1565785
Aw maaaaaaan
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>>1565785
oh no, I'm sorry I rolled anon ):
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>>1565773
If we can do it so can the Scavengers probably, not to mention possible jamming in the field.

So radio communication by Hughes with the other humans is probably going to be either iffy or not a secure line. There was some reason he didn't get the full briefing over radio.
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>>1565785
Sorry we missed this.

Still, 64 isn't too bad. At least our drones don't make complete fools of themselves.
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>>1565779
Hey wait. Scavs are repairing what they can. Some of them might be technical minded.

Some of them might know how to build and maintain antimatter reactors.

We don't need them alive, really, but maybe we can just take the part of them that stores memories instead as trophies to take back to Mother.
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Hive Bedtime
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>>1565808
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>>1565806
Yes. Take the brains of any scavs that look like engineers or scientists.
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>>1565814
But they don't have brains! Or any sort of central nervous system!
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>>1565764
the scavs have loaded the target locations with human civilians.
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>>1565814
>>1565825
From what I can remember is their circulatory is also their nervous system in some weird way? I know their "head" is just sensory organs and their "brain" for lack of better word, is in their torso.

That's why the Alpha fought after being decapitated against the knight and speaker
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>>1565825
So take their hearts, or whatever. They store long term memory somewhere.
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>>1565829
Yeah, their "blood" is more like lymph from insects, it acts as their spinal fluid/nervous system fluid as well.
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>>1565779
Several flies begin searching through the combat zone, spotting troops and gauging defences. A scent of general alarm spreads through the air as you see guns begin pivoting to new targets and scavenger packs rush out to man gun emplacements and take cover behind fortifications. In the distance the first of your shuttles can be seen when the anti aircraft guns begin to fire, quickly ripping into your shuttles as they fall from the air, drones spilling out of them and scattering across the ground as those with wings guide their way to the surface. The other guns begin to fire, long range cannons shredding through the terrain and antipersonnel guns spinning up and roaring to life. The first warriors that land quickly disintegrate into a fine mist as you sense the mixture of pheromones and sound of scavenger communications spread through the air, as their radio communications begin chirping simulated equivalents.

"Maintain fire on encroaching enemy; numbers indeterminate."

"Additional flying units incoming; air support requested."

"Enemy air attackers detected."

You see the scavengers open fire with every weapon they can find as they bring down more shuttles and more drones are eviscerated into a fine paste across the snow, and several begin to flag the others with a heightened sense of alert signals, and the hills of blasted craters and crashed wrecks beyond the killzone of the bunkers rumble with noise, and a sea of chitin flows over it like a tidal wave. Cannon shells burst in the swarm, sending chunks of drone arcing into the air and raining down in brief hailstorms of acid and chitinous flesh. The rumbling of pulse jets can be heard briefly, and soon after a scavenger gunship plummets from the sky, trailing fire and smoke as several of your aerial drones arc back into the sky, their forms quickly being covered in bursting flak as two of them shatter in the air and send their forms tumbling to the ground.

The cannons continue to fire, one after another, when the massive spire of the anti-orbital battery lurches with a sudden impact as a fireball erupts along its side, then more detonations. Your colossi continue their artillery barrage as the first of them become visible over the horizon of the distant hilltops as their mandibles unfold to expose their weapons. Rotary stingers and plumes of plasma erupt into the air.

Scavengers swarm over the perimeter defences as feral young drive forward into the swarm, quickly consumed by the encroaching wave of flesh as packs spread their blaster fire over your swarm. Mines detonate beneath your forces, but they are quickly replaced with more drones as they are cut down at the base of the first bulwark of the defensive perimeter, the next wave climbing atop the bodies as the dead slowly become a ladder as wasps fill the air with a dreadful buzzing of their powerful wings.
cont.
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>>1565844
Holy shit we are endless indeed.
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>>1565844
Good ol' collusi with their artillery cannons and rotary stingers. Just goes to show you sometimes the old fashioned way is the best way.

All that fancy plasma weaponry is cool but nothing beats an artillery barrage followed up with a solid wave of dakka.
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I hope that we can somehow get the Commonwealth to agree to allow us to lease some of their land for farming purposes for the next several years or so.
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>>1565844
The Scavs never really had a chance.

>>1565848
Bare in mind, this is the Hive equivalent of a lightning surgical strike. We could have bombarded from orbit or dusted the area with creep and waited a few days. And if this was Hive v. Hive warfare we could keep producing swarms in these numbers constantly for weeks.

We are endless indeed.
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>>1565855
We should already have the numbers to be able to do this for weeks. On top of constantly producing swarms.

CRANK UP THAT WAR MACHINE.
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>>1565855
>>1565859
So how do you think that the general as well as the knight and lieutenent report our skirmish in their world will be?
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>>1565863
Please, please, for the love of God don't piss the bugs off or they will bury us under a mound of bodies.
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Can't wait for Battle Loot. Might be something to research in there.
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>>1565883
There's a chance we could get good stuff. That's assuming the Scavs don't get a chance to blow all their own stuff up once they start losing (as they are prone to doing).
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>>1565883
All that new research options unlocked. It makes me almost cream myself.
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>>1565883
That's unlikely, considering we've already looted scavs and found nothing of note. At this point we already have technological equivalents to anything they are likely to field for an invasion such as this.
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>>1565887
Fucking space Huns denying us battle our rightfull battle loot.
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>>1565889
Didn't the scavs had some kind of tanks in the field? That could be interresting.
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>>1565892
We've already got hoverpad technology and heavy armor equivalents though. I hope I'm wrong but I think at this point we've already researched every sort of tech an army would commonly field in a battle, from all the factions.
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>>1565889
We WILL find some kind of couch or by Mother, we'll MAKE them into some!
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>>1565844
Your wasps dive through incoming blaster fire as they close in on the scavenger forces, cleanly decapitating several with their blades as they pass before most are cut down with a barrage of blaster bolts and gun towers. Warriors beat their wings as they leap at the walls, most falling short as they are intercepted by a hail of anti-air weapons, while others land among the horde of scavenger packs as they melt down your drones with blaster fire as the drones lash out with their blades, ripping at those nearby and firing wildly with their weapons for the brief moment they remain functional.

Hughes sits in the gunship as it rockets towards the landing zone, a hologram quickly materializing in the space in front of him.

"Sitrep." He says simply. The human on the other end holds on to a chitinous pillar with concern.

"They're closing in, sir, not sure how long this is going to take but we're landing just outside the killzone and establishing a base camp for communications. Once the heavy armor gets here we should already be set up for a proper advance on the target, but there's still no way to cross the field alive. Not that that's giving any of the bugs any second thoughts though."

"Roger that." Hughes replies, and then looks to your speaker as the hologram dissipates.

"What's the status of the General?" He asks.

"Escalating." You reply.

Human activity back at the fort has dramatically increased. Your drones have tunneled nearly the full distance to the target site, and are ready to begin their attack. Your forces collect at the walls of the fortress as shuttles unload ground troops and large drones crawl forth from the shuttle doors like animals shedding their skin. Humans look on with worry at the massive drones, and the ground trembles at their every step. Your drone plants its claw deep into the ground as it steadies itself from spilling forth from the shuttle, and it begins to unfold its legs, its hunched posture slowly straightening as ventilation tubes billow steam like chimneys. The pockmarked street breaks like a thin sheet of ice beneath a hammer as its foot plants itself into it, upturning disabled vehicles and sending them sprawling across the snow as the drone's shadow grows over the walls of the fortress. Its tail uncoils, ripping through permafrost and sending a burned out tank into the air with an idle swing of its girth. It looks up, stretching its muscles as its mandibles unfold, and a pillar of burning plasma erupts from its maw with a roar like a turbine engine as steam billows around its head.

Kill! Kill the things for Mother!

Cunningham looks on from a parade balcony with your speaker, both hands resting on his cane set before him.

"Well." He says. "I think that ought to do the trick."
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>>1565902
I am sorry to say I think that is all for tonight. It's half past four and I think I'm coming down with something so I think I'll need to get some rest. I'll try to stick around for a bit longer for any questions, comments, feedback ect.

Sorry for the slow pace tonight. If it's at all possible I'll try and finish up the combat this week, but I'm not sure what day I could at the moment.
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>>1565902
>It looks up, stretching its muscles as its mandibles unfold, and a pillar of burning plasma erupts from its maw with a roar like a turbine engine as steam billows around its head.

>tfw it's your plasma spray design from the wiki

I love you QD
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>>1565902
Alright, time for Titans!

>>1565903
No problem at all QD. Get some rest and feel better soon! Thanks for running as always!
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>>1565903
Well shit, man. Don't get sick or your doctors will rip you a new one.
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>>1565903
No worries QD! Thanks for running it was great
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>>1565908
Literally, actually. I still have the hole for drainage, the plan b for it if it doesn't heal is opening it up further with surgery.
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>>1565912
Oh shit, that sounds terrible. Your body is taking a beating.
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>>1565903
GG and thanks for running
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>>1565912
the dm curse is real, thanks for running!
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>be cursed
>still run

Fuckin top QM.
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>>1565912
Please QD take care of yourself. As always great thread.
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>>1565903
i love this thank you for this quest and take care of yourself
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>>1565903
Thanks for running qd, you gotta ease up on the 4ams
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>>1565903
Thanks for running QD, and take care of yourself!
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>>1565912
Stop leaking!
Leaking is bad!
QuestDrone is made for questing, not for leaking!
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>>1566285
you speaker speak good speaker doing the cute
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>>1565912
Oh god
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How you feeling QD?
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Bump
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>>1568814
It'll be premium as soon as we start selling it. However, given how paranoid many anons seem to be regarding selling our tech (even though we've been told several times how hard it is to reverse engineer hive tech and how humans are slow as fuck by our standards), it might never get to the black market because we never release it.
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>>1569413
More of a fear of the obsidian queen I think.

Its null and void either way. Most of our infantry tech is common to the hives
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>>1569451
I agree. I don't see too much danger with selling certain types of Hive tech on the public or black market. Since even our flies can be connected to our psionic network and be fitted with self-destructs it should be relatively simple to equip anything we sell with the same failsafes. While the humans will try to reverse engineer our tech, they won't succeed in the time frame of the quest. And as you said the OQ already has much of our basic infantry tech and we won't be selling our best stuff "publicly" anyway.
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>>1568814
The same amount of time that will take to Lyle go help the Commonwealth against the scavs, and so show off the cool toys his new mama gave him. Plus the same time that will tKe to the Commonwealth recordings of the battle to fall under Union and or Valen spies hands.

Then we will be filled with a enormous amount of mercs wanting our toys.
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And holy fucking shit i just realized that we are doing a swarm attack on a highly defended position with just some damaged ships in orbit.

God dammit the hive is scary.
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>>1570218
Now imagine the capabilities of our fleet over Gemini. You know, the "small scouting fleet".
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>>1568814
>>1569413
>>1569484
There are several reason to not sell weapons and other military tech. PR, the possibility of them being used against us, keeping the tech exclusive to Hive agents, and preventing any power balance all of which is more valuable than the credits we'd get from selling them.
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>>1570387
*Preventing the disruption of any power balances
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>>1570387
We could sell them to independent mercenaries only, with a complementary spinepal™ with every purchase.
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>>1570414
THAT'S SAME THING AS A HIVE AGENT YOU THICKHEADED DOLT.
Seriously did it fly over your head that anyone with a parasite is a hive agent which we'll probably be giving them this shit for free anyway.
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>>1570434
That's... literally the point. Making every independent merc in the galaxy into our agents.
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>>1570467
I'm not necessarily opposed, but we need to be careful in giving out spine-pals once they're made public. If we give them away for free people will reject them. "Immortality and rapid healing for free? What's the catch?" If we charge for them somehow (whether through making them pay credits, perform acts of service to the Hive, etc...) people will be less likely to be as suspicious. Of course, we can still give some away as "charity" if that suits our ends.

In the case as you proposed the spine pal can be an included benefit with the purchase of living hive armor.
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>>1570522
>once they're made public.
We ain't telling people about our simbyots.
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>>1570522
>>1570938
Yeah, a spinepal is a secret bond between Mother and her adopted children. Those who have not been adopted don't need to know about them.
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>>1570387
>There are several reason to not sell weapons and other military tech.
I agree there are reasons not to sell tech, but I think the benefits of selling outweigh the costs. I'll try to address each of your concerns.

>PR,
Right now we are coming across as tremendously aloof and as almost impossible to negotiate with. If we sell some of our tech we come across as more reasonable and approachable. Selling exclusive tech gives us a good venue to integrate into their society.

>the possibility of them being used against us,
Not really possible. We can have drones the size of flies obey our commands and we are researching even smaller psionically sensitive creep spores. We can easily engineer our tech with a failsafe to prevent use against us. Human reverse engineering is so slow it is doubtful they would be able to reproduce even our least sophisticated tech on a time table where it could reasonably be used against us.

>keeping the tech exclusive to Hive agents,
If the people using our weapons have parasites they are Hive agents even if they themselves don't realize it. There are also benefits of having hive tech appear to proliferate beyond our immediate circle of influence (such as plausible deniability when using hive tech on black ops)

>and preventing any power balance
The balance of power went out the window the moment we blinked the largest fleet ever seen into atmosphere over the Union Capital. We should be the new center of power in this sector around which all other factions orbit. Selling weapons is in keeping with our new design as a center of influence.

>all of which is more valuable than the credits we'd get from selling them.
Credits are far from the best reason to sell tech, but it is a significant one as it allows us to buy influence and use soft power in ways we are currently unable to do.
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>>1570938
>>1570955
The thing about spine-pals is it's less a question of "if" they become public knowledge, but "when."

If we control the narrative of the information release by going public in some way we can spin it as amazing health organs/symbiotes. We don't even need to tell people they're drones at all.
If, on the other hand, they are first revealed by an examination of one of our agents (should they be captured), they could be revealed for the evil mind control bugs they are without us getting the option to do damage control.

I'm not saying we should go public with the parasites at all, but we need to carefully weigh the costs and benefits of keeping them secret as long as possible until they are revealed by a hand besides our own.
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>>1570983
It will be next to impossible to control the narrative. The Union controls the media and the most open ones where curious but wary at best. Revealing those things would be better when our PR is on an upswing an has been for a while.
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>>1570968
I agree with you on all points except gathering credits to buy influence and use soft power.
We're a post-scarcity interstellar organism who has no need for other beings other than to stave off boredom. They're a splintered group of individual tribalistic organisms who still depend on a scarcity-based economy.

If anything, we could be gracious and uplift them up to post-scarcity, but so far we haven't, and they are still too primitive to accept it or look at an offer like that as anything other than a power-play.

Dealing with Theseus and Heretic is so much simpler....
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>>1570522
How about we never publicize the existence of the creature that allows us to hijack infested beings?

Despite being a neat ace in the hole, the taidaren infestation was insanely risky, and there's still the possibility that someone will discover them in the taidaren, however remote. If the taidaren didn't have comically incompetent scientists then handing them samples of the parasite would have made the discovery of their hijacking abilities inevitable.

As it stands, we got very lucky that taidaren aren't inquisitive about how things work, and we can't expect that to hold with any of the other major races in the galaxy.

>>1570983
>The secret's coming out eventually
That isn't even remotely true. If we take proper measures to conceal their existence (such as using them with discretion instead of trying to infect everything, and taking measures to shut down possible discovery) then it's quite possible to keep the other races in the dark about them.

It's best to keep them held close as our secret source of espionage, rather than attempt to market them and end up squandering our intelligence edge while causing a diplomatic incident in the bargain.
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>>1570983
Okay you're a fucking retard if you think even half shit you're spouting is true. We never had control over the narrative and for the most part never will and it's been made very clear that we will go out of our way to make sure that they won't become public knowledge even if it mean limiting ourselves to who gets them.
>>1570968
And this pretty shows how delusional you are. Talking about how pointless PR is then proceed to argue "but PR" no amount of money will fix the damage parasites becoming public knowledge will cause.
>Also he thinks the weapons can't be used against
The humans have already fully researched "psionic insulation" which is enough to fuck over anything we could try including self destruct (which is a poor idea for anything we sell since it will lower the value of anything we sell to anyone that it will become practically worthless).
Us selling weapons damages PR no matter what you try to do since we've explicitly stated we're not getting involved in the war.
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>>1571002
>Revealing those things would be better when our PR is on an upswing an has been for a while.
I agree completely. Releasing info on parasites now would not help us in any way.

However, we can help to control the narrative when we do decide to release by bribing, psionically influencing, or parasiting key members of the media. Think of all the feel good stories of old grandmas being given a new lease on life, a child who survives a fall due to parasite healing, or some guy with ultra-space cancer getting a miracle cure.

>>1571016
>If we take proper measures to conceal their existence (such as using them with discretion instead of trying to infect everything, and taking measures to shut down possible discovery) then it's quite possible to keep the other races in the dark about them.

I don't think you give the other races enough credit. It's possible the other races won't ever detect anything, but that is FAR from certain. They are independent agents who have capabilities we do not fully know and can act in unexpected ways.

Until recently, for example, we didn't even know the Valen were psionically sensitive. What if one of them happens to pass by an implanted agent and hears Hive whispers?
The Union also had their own tachyon detector at Devon's destroyed lab. It detected emissions on such a pitiful scale we could hardly see it. They may be able to use it to find compromised agents.

Finally, the Union, Valen, etc. may have completely unknown tech we are unaware of that reveals parasites. As much as we act like we know everything, we still have gaps in our knowledge of other factions' capabilities and assuming we can proceed indefinitely completely undetected is a huge risk.
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>>1571075
soon™
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>>1571052
>The humans have already fully researched "psionic insulation" which is enough to fuck over anything we could try

What?
Point me to the thread where humans invented psionic jamming powerful enough to cause us to completely and totally lose control of our drones. Our weapons and equipment ARE drones and they are about as likely to be used against us as any other drone.

As to your other point: I think selling weapons has far more costs and fewer benefits than selling other hive tech. I agree that selling weapons alone is likely to damage PR. That's why I think we should sell some of our weakest weapons along with lots of other equipment. We are non-discriminatory sellers of multiple types of merchandise. I'm fine with selling no weapons at all as long as we do something to show the Hive is more than just an implacable adversary and that we can be bartered and traded with same as anyone else. We want people to imagine a peaceful future with the Hive.

That being said, historically selling weapons to lesser nations is a large part of how superpowers wield their influence. Look at how many countries the US sells weapons to. A benefit of selling equipment is that it is cheap to us and gains us influence with other governments.
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>>1571063
I agree it's far from certain, but claiming it's an inevitability is an outright falsehood.

In all of the scenarios you've posited, damage control is still possible, if potentially expensive. To be blunt, preventing their discovery is a higher priority than continuing to use them, so in the worst case scenario we can always just find ways to eliminate our agents in ways that can't be traced to the Hive. Shit, if it comes down to it we can blame it on the Cluster (remember that Gilliam supposedly interacted with them before this hypothetical discovery of the parasites; he can be a fall guy as "proof" that the parasites came from the Cluster), but for obvious reasons it'd be best if things never got that far in the first place.

"Might"s and "What if"s are reasons to tighten secrecy and care with using the parasites, not put them out there and pray their unsavory aspects will be hidden in plain sight.
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>>1571103
>psionic jammer
Psionic insulatation is something completely different. Insulation is a material that blocks psionic communication while jamming is psionic screaming.
You need to keep up.
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>>1571237
So here's the question. The psionic insulation was mentioned in the context of it allowing humans to use our own weapons against us. Assuming the hive weapons will be fired against drones, the only way insulation could ever be effective is if the drones are also under it, something that makes no sense. If our own weapons are being used under a psionic shroud against our own drones there is no real benefit to the humans using hive weapons at all, since our drones would already be uncontrollable and therefore relatively easy targets. The only possible way Hive weapons could be used against the Hive at all is if they were paired with offensive use of an extremely potent jammer, which we have no reason to believe the humans have.
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>>1571091
Hope QD's up for a mid-week thread continuation provided he's still taking it easy and recovering.
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So here's a thought. Everyone's arguing about whether or not we should release spine pals. Why not make a new drone design that's similar? Why not make it a large backpack sort of drone that's bulkier, and maybe less effective, and can't necessarily be hidden?
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>>1572245
uhhhh.... not sure that would work. Would we market it as some sort of portable life support? Like those O2 tanks old people have? Like how would you design said drone?
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>>1571063
For every ready eyes old lady,there will be a hundred paranoid people we can never swing the reveal to be positive for us>>1572245
Maybe that's a bad idea because of we(apparent masters of biotech)can make a backpack sized organism that can integrate with a human,maybe we can also miniturize it till it can fit in its host. We already discussed this.
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>>1571458
A psionic shroud isn't even the same as cloaking or insulation.
It also depends on how we design it but the most important thing is whether it's reliable since it couldn't be sold for comfort or appearance so reliability is only thing that could sell this shit and almost nobody trusts us especially where the guns have a mind of their own. Hell the CIA was intending to hack self-driving car to kill people according to wikileaks. Another thing that is important is what people will use them for and the only thing people will think of using them for is research and against us which would reveal they have a mind of their own reinforcing the last statement. So the only way these things are marketable is if they work independent of us or if the people in question trust us.
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>>1572634
>So the only way these things are marketable is if they work independent of us

We can make them work independent of us perfectly. The will just shut down if we specifically send a "shutdown" psionic signal. So our weapons can be used against any faction except ourselves. The only way to test weapon effectiveness against drones is to hire someone to attempt to shoot at drones, which is at best an extremely dangerous proposition. People will attempt to take them apart, of course, but will never be able to put them back together and won't be able to reverse engineer them on a time scale we need be concerned with. All a dissection will reveal is that the weapon is made of amazingly advanced biotechnology like all our tech. It is living in the sense that anything Hive produced is living.

That being said, there are enough downsides here that we shouldn't be selling weapons in the immediate future but should instead wait until our PR has improved.
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>>1572700
They have a material that blocks psionic signals however which bring us to square one of this argument. You can't make a gun that sells well and can't be used against us. Also access to anything with any psionic abilities will lead to the problem of psionic research.
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>>1572814
The solution to hive weapons-tech being placed under psionic insulation is ludicrously simple: Tell the living weapons that "If you are ever under psionic insulation while being held by (X factions), don't shoot."
There, done, no risk.
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>>1573064
except they're not smart enough to make either of those two judgement calls
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>>1573064
That loops back into the problem of reliability.
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>>1573194
What problem? That the other factions realise that they can't use Hive weapons against the Hive?
I fail to see the problem here.
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>>1573165
Think a dead mans switch. If a certain process stops running (which could be made small enough by us so as to be undetectable)then it ceases to work.
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>>1573225
I'd assume that even if they are smart and reliable enough to not fire when isolated from the Hive, it's an even greater stretch to suppose that they would be able to determine their holder's faction without the Hive's help (if they're set down and picked up again, should they fire or refuse?). Remember that our drones naturally behave erratically when psionically isolated from the Hive.

And that's without getting into the PR problems inherent in being an arms trader.
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>>1573259
>if
>if you are under psionic insulation
>if you are held by X faction
yeah, that's the problem, they aren't smart enough to tell when those two ifs happen
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>>1573064
Why not just "if you are ever under psionic insulation, don't shoot"

Not like they've got that shit en masse or widely deployed. Not like mercs are terribly likely to run into it anyway.
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>>1573213
Jesus christ that looks like something I'd fight in a Dark Souls game.
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>>1573289
Except it's impossible to tell if they are in psionic insulation or not.
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>>1573293
it's a simple precaution: "If you can't hear Mother, don't shoot."
And we sell them with the instruction that "will not fire while in FTL transit, (and any other common detachments from our drones we'll encounter)".
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>>1573298
That includes shit like psionic jamming too.
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>>1573305
Yes.
If they employ psionic jamming against us (however the fuck they'd manage that), the Hive guns don't work.
If they coat the guns in psionic insulation, the Hive guns don't work.

Simple solutions to a simple problem.
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>>1573323
Agreed. This isn't really that difficult a problem to solve.

We can also include a disclaimer on all our products that they will not function if they undergo unauthorized modification. That should help limit attempts to reverse engineer any of our tech as the "drone" can simply shut down if it notices any changes. We can claim it's like biological DRM.
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>>1573298
>>1573384

On reflection: "if someone tries to change you, don't work" is a better policy than "if you can't hear mother don't shoot."

If we go with the "if you can't hear mother, don't shoot" strategy it wouldn't take long to figure out that our weapons/products don't work out of range of our psionic network. The Union could then buy a ton of our crappiest guns and try to shooting them off wherever they want to build their next black ops facility. If the gun shoots the Union would realize we have spies in place, and if it fails the Union's found the next location for their psi research facility.

With the anti-modification rules, on the other hand, the exact scope of our range is kept a secret. It would also mean the guns wouldn't fire if someone tried to surround it in anti-psi cladding since the weapons would detect the unauthorized change.
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>>1573213
Woah, is that you, Nad?
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>>1574243
Nad?
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>>1574740
Ah, sorry, it seems that your art is very similar to a friend of mine from Primordial Evo days.
Mostly the way you both drew bug anatomy.
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>>1574757
oh no, I'm not the artist. Just something I found
http://connorricks.tumblr.com/
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reading through the archives, just wanna say this quest is way better written than many sci-fi novels. Well done QD!

also, dunno if it was mentioned,
>inb4 ceph are the orz
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>>1575418
orz? Not really sure what they are...

Agreed, though, that the writing for the quest is simply outstanding. QD is an artist who created a beautiful universe.

although I hope the pace picks up a bit soon. We still have the Union vote, the Cluster lab, Djin exploration, Lee's friends, the Smith lab attack, and the Commonwealth battle to conclude "today". I understand it's necessary given the sprawl of our activities to cover lots of things, but spending what will (probably) be over 2 months in real life on a single day does slow down future planning. Hopefully things will pick up some once the clog of events happening "today" is passed.
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>>1573498
I think anons are more concerned about people taking our guns into psi-shielded facilities than putting anti-psi cladding around them.

Which isn't an issue really because few enough of such places exist, but anyway.
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>>1575440
Hmm, what is the Cluster lab?
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>>1575851
The Mimic/Cluster/Thing that Gilliam is dealing with on Path

Cluster seems to be the name it used for itself (I think)
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>>1575647
Frankly, it's even simpler than that.

Anything we sell will be researched to learn about us-- even if the means of making the weapon elude them they can use it to learn about how it functions and perhaps even communicates with the rest of the Hive. No amount of contingency can really stop that from happening, and putting in stuff like when to fire or not will just help them learn more about us.
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>>1575878
"Oh look, they somehow grew magnets to produce the same effect as a railgun and they call it a 'Thorn Rifle'."

Big deal. They wouldn't even be able to identify any tachyon-sensitive bits either at their level.
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>>1575878
>Anything we sell will be researched to learn about us--

Well that's obvious. But honestly, given how slow human reverse engineering is and our vast (and growing) military superiority, them learning more about the hive eventually is not much of a threat. We won't be selling our best weapons/gear, and the stuff we do sell will probably have rough human equivalents. They won't be able to learn anything more from our weaponry than from any other tech we sell because our biotech is just that advanced. Hive tech naturally doesn't play well with others; they can't just take it apart to see how it works.
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>>1575878
>>1575971
Honestly all this concern about humans reverse-engineering Hive tech is pretty much null for this quest since it would take humans so long to make ANY progress reverse-engineering it the quest will likely be wrapped up way before that point.

Now for the sequel quest, that may be a plot-point to deal with but that's for the future QD to worry about
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>>1575440
I would totes buy a few books if QD kept up this quality of writing for a few books.

Even more books if he kept the hive perspective.
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>>1576002
I'd love to read more on this universe too.

maybe a prequel about the fall of the ancient hives and the exodus to the Arc? Or the story of some shadow-runners before/during the Hive's emergence? Hell, you could write a novel on the slow fall of the colony we are fighting on now and then the arrival of the hive from the perspective of a grunt alone and it would be fascinating.
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>>1575985
Actually I don't think it'll end with the Void War. I think the quest ends when we've subjugated or destroyed every other empire.
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>>1576107
Isn't there such a thing as a cultural victory? Once we've beaten the Void if only it could be that easy we should be far more powerful than any other faction. There isn't nearly as much fun in just steamrolling everyone with overwhelming force and that doesn't strike me as our style. We can just become the new nexus of power and culture in the sector around which all other factions revolve... and then lay a few daughters and start conquering the galaxy once we grow bored after the first 1000 or so years.
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So...I'm assuming there will be no mid-week thread?

Sad, but understandable. By far the most important thing is that QD takes care of himself.
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>>1575440
in the star control universe, the orz are a happy go lucky, weird talking, smiley-faced aquatic "race" that is the realspace manifestation of an unspecified race-exterminating eldritch horror, that "notices" you when you *show yourself* by finding out about them/it.

pic related.
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So who here has enjoyed QD's experimental quest Cyberpunk Detective Quest?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=cyberpunk+detective
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>>1576983
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=cyberpunk+detective

Was that QuestDrone? Honestly I missed that quest when I came out. I'll take a look.
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>>1576137
Actually you are underestimating the Human empires ability to do research. The things really holding back the humans from being capable of challenging us is that the humans are currently too fracticious/unfocused and lower tech levels (this would put them instantly on our level if they figure it out) the prior of which will be quickly fixed which will allow them to fixed the latter. We can only pray that the Valen don't get friendly with the Union again and that there are no other empires we've yet to meet. Also we're still only in the beginning of the mid game.
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>>1578340
I agree we are in the mid-game, but the death of the Void is nowhere in sight. I suspect the rest of the mid-game will involve forging alliances, interacting with factions/infiltration, suffering losses, and heading off the OQ. We may also have to smack a few heads among the stupider monkeys if pressed.

End game will involve using our alliances and tech to take the fight to the OQ, the Ceph, and eventually the Void itself, and will probably involve revelations about the nature of the Hive and the cause of the Great War.

>underestimating the Human empires ability to do research.

On the contrary, the humans have been genetically engineered over the course of tens of thousands of years to be outstanding researchers far beyond what the stagnant old hives could produce. No disputing that the humans are great at innovating technologically. However, their edge has been lessened significantly due to our revolutionary development of quantum thinkers. We also have the ability to reverse engineer any human technological advancements extremely quickly.

If we are able to end the war with the Void none of the other factions (with the possible exception of the Cluster) will be in a position to attack us. Consider the following faction list:

Theseus: Best friend and trading partner, loves our biotech. Will not attack.

Heretic: married to best friend. Hates the Void and would love us for "killing" it. We saved his species. Will not attack.

Scarred Queen: Loyal daughter. We gave her life new meaning. Will not attack.

Commonwealth: got fucked up by the Scavs. Got its ass saved by us. Saw how brutally the Hive fights its enemies. Will not attack.

Valen: only attacks with physical violence in the face of extreme irrationality or overwhelming force. The Hive is powerful, scary, and reasonable, therefore the Valen will not attack.

Union: will probably suffer significant losses against the OQ. Embarrassed by Hive gunboat diplomacy. May attack (very unlikely).

If the Union attacks they will be fighting us, Theseus, Heretic, and the Scarred Queen at a minimum. The Commonwealth may take this opportunity to attack the Union, the Valen might backstab the Union, and the Cluster will take a dim view on a lesser species attacking a fellow primordial. The Union will be stomped into dust if they try.

The Cluster might attack and could actually be a threat (if they were waiting for the Hive and Void to weaken themselves in war before they overthrow both their rivals). Having them be a hidden big bad seems like kind of a cop out, though.
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>>1578578
You miss understand many things there. The biggest problem with fighting the Void isn't trying to defeat it since we already have a possible path. It's trying to survive after our planets have been destroyed, our fleets annihilated, and our resources exhausted. Will be so weakened that even if we are the most advanced race the humans could take us out and our allies are likely to suffer similar losses assuming they even survive. Also the Skyl only care about immediate cooperation, the only reason they work with us right now is because of that. The second the void is defeated they are fucking off to do their own thing so don't expect any protection after the war.
Another thing to note is that the Scavengers are the biggest immediate threat, bigger than even the Black Queen, since the Black Queen has no idea where to look and her armada is probably tiny in comparison (we haven't fully checked her systems yet to know) by the Scavenger's. The Scavengers also could easily reverse engineer any Skyl artifacts which would be nightmarish scenario to deal with. So yeah we'll be lucky if we survive up to the point where we can fight the void.
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>1579380
While I appreciate your argument, I must respectfully disagree on a number of key points.

We do not presently have a viable path to victory against the Void. We have ways to attack and perhaps even cripple its slaves through actions against the OQ and the Ceph, but we lack a way to seriously damage the enemy itself. Yes, we have the plans to the psionic cannon; but even Mother could only manage to wound it before she herself was destroyed. We also have no way of knowing if defeating a "single" void entity that attacks us will end the war by destroying the enemy, or if it will merely kill a part of a greater whole. We know very little about how the enemy functions (and learning more is extremely dangerous).

I agree that any possible path to "victory" against the Void will leave us extremely damaged and greatly weakened. However, I strongly disagree that the "death" of the Void will cause our allies to abandon us and cause the humans to attack. Actions have consequences in this Quest, and I very much doubt QD is just going to throw away all our positive outreach to the humans and Skyl just because we may lose much of our strength. Heretic is not only linked with Theseus, Heretic also owes us greatly. He should have great gratitude towards us for our actions and not abandon us in our moment of need.

As for the Union, by the time defeating the Void is even a possibility we will have "consulates" on many worlds and millions of followers between parasites and passive psionic influence. Unless the human worlds are all destroyed as well we will still have that base of power. The humans also don't know if there is "more" of the Hive and attacking us even if we "appear" to be weakened is a huge gamble. It is much more likely some of the human or Valen factions will attempt to deal with a "weakened" Queen for tremendous power and wealth when we recover.

We have defeated the Scavs in every encounter the Hive has had with them and their forays into the Expanse have ceased since all their scouts were slaughtered and they have been preoccupied invading the Commonwealth. It's extremely unlikely they will be able to recover Skyl tech. That's not to say they aren't a threat (their numbers are unknown), but we're hardly a slouch in the numbers department ourself. Just compare our fleets to the numbers the other factions have.

The Union has a standing fleet of about 1,000 - most of which are corvettes. That number will be going up as they mobilize.
The Commonwealth had a fleet of 6,000 according to their most outrageous propaganda from before the Scavs invaded them.

At the time of our Mother's death her forces were:
>1 Hive ship
>35 Battleships
>150 Battlecruisers
>500 Cruisers
>1000 Frigates
>3000 Corvettes

When our current ships are finished we will have:
>1 Hive Ship
>56 Battleships/Carriers
>590 Battle Cruisers
>3,200 Cruisers
>9,737 Frigates
>6,671 Corvettes

So, yeah - we're swole as fuck even compared to other Hives.
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>>1580057
WE REQUIRE MORE FLEET POWER
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>>1580112
We need more infrastructure and nutrient income first.
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>>1580057
Wow, so we have more than 4 times Mom's fleet size and our ships are more powerful per capita too. Awesome.

WE MUST CONSUME MORE

>>1580133
I think he was joking [/spolier]
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>>1580173
Maybe he was joking.
But he's more right than he knows.
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>>1580208
Unless we're planning to overharvest a planet it will take a while to build up our infrastructure in the Expanse to where we can afford this many ships. It's possible QD will let us buy some food from the humans, but that probably isn't workable long term and he might just veto it on principle (it would be odd if humans are more efficient making food than the Hive).

That leaves us with 3 other options.
1. Send half the fleet into hibernation in deep space until we can afford it.
2. Send a combined massive fleet into battle (against either Scavs or OQ), until our numbers are low enough we won't starve.
3. "Gift" a significant portion of the fleet to the Scarred Queen and have her make up the nutrient deficit in whatever way she sees fit.

Personally, I'm in favor of option 2 the most, but option 1 isn't bad if anons are too scared to attack the main Scavenger fleet.
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>>1580262
I'm in favor of all three. Give some of the fleet to the Scarred Queen so she can get started harvesting/mining and secure the system herself. Send a fuckton of ships to the Commonwealth to fight the Scavs and..get this..ask the humans to supply us with nutrients to keep them fuelled while they're fighting. It shouldn't be too onerous a thing to ask of them, no?

And we hibernate anything remaining that we can't reasonably support.


But seriously, we need to ask the Commonwealth to help feed our ships while we're backing them up. Not only will it ease things for us, it'll also let them feel more like they're Doing Something instead of just nursemaided. Humans have their pride and all.
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>>1580295
We already demanded Canderon and the Void shard from the Commonwealth in exchange for aid. They might not like us adding on conditions after the fact (although they can't do much about us altering the deal)

However, I agree that the Commonwealth is a good place to get food. Given how much we're helping them out (and by that I mean we are the only thing keeping them still existing) having our drones get to "forge" for nutrients on the planets we're rescuing is a small price to pay. It'd probably be easier for all concerned if we just got the nutrients themselves rather than contract the Commonwealth to send vast shipments of food into a war-zone. Our drones can eat things like fungus, trees, metal, etc. that humans can't eat anyways.
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>>1580317
I didn't mean to exact tribute. We can be diplomtic about it. "We have more ships we can send to aid the war against the Scavengers, but we would require assistance in nutrients."

The Commonwealth have given us zero reasons to be dicks to them thus far.
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>>1580057
>but even Mother could only manage to wound it before she herself was destroyed.
Wasn't that because we rolled low? It was basically a glancing hit.
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>>1580329
Fair enough.

I still think our drones would be better off consuming random debris from the battlefield than trying to redirect Commonwealth supply ships to feed them. We can still "ask" for permission first, though. It's not like we're consuming valuable resources that would otherwise feed humans (like if we asked them to ship us nutrients directly).
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>>1580372
It'll be cheaper to feed our ships and drones than a comparable human unit. And as you point out, the nutrients they send us don't have to be high quality human foodstuffs. Fertilizer, wood, even lawn clippings will probably do.
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>>1580382
If we can spare the ships and don't tip our hand too much I'm all for it.
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>>1580391
We can even use our ships to transport the biomass. Commonwealth merchant shipping/military logistics needn't even be impacted. It's win/win since they get more bugships supporting the war, and we don't have to worry about actually suiciding the ships and can use them effectively.
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>>1580334
Yeah, I just checked. We rolled a 34. That being said, I'd much rather establish contingency plans for a possible failure than entrust the entire quest into a single roll and trust in the dice gods.

Also, remember that our Mother's fate was already sealed. She would have died even on a 100. It's possible that even if we had scored a direct hit and destroyed the first Void entity that more and more would have emerged until she was overwhelmed. We do not know how powerful the enemy is truly is or what weapons are in their arsenal - which is why concluding that because we have a weapon that can harm Them we will therefore be destroy Them is foolish.

Seeking to learn more about the Void directly is the path to annihilation, but we can still destroy their servants and in doing so hopefully become wise enough, or weaken Them enough, that we will be prepared for the final encounter.
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>>1580413
>That being said, I'd much rather establish contingency plans for a possible failure than entrust the entire quest into a single roll and trust in the dice gods.
Oh yea definitely.
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>>1580057
>we're swole as fuck even compared to other Hives.
Numbers aren't really that important IMO. A hive getting 10k more ships is the equivalent of a human soldier getting into a better firing position. It's a temporary and organic thing.
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>>1580057
>We do not presently have a viable path to victory against the Void.
Tell me this "how did her planet not get blown up?" Certainly you must realize that it should have been completely destroyed like the Skyl homeworld. So logically if there is a way to keep them at bay that means we can limit them to only being able to use their pawns.
>So, yeah - we're swole as fuck even compared to other Hives.
Actually we're one of the smaller Hives according to Clsuter's memories. Billions of hive fleets with millions of ships each all completely wiped out. Also the White queen was a tactical genius with thousands in years of experience in fleet warfare. The Scavengers are more comparable to that.
>will cause our allies to abandon us
I'm literally stating how Skyl psychology works. Their entire civilization is built around immediate cooperation mostly leaving each other alone until teamwork is required to do something. They are more of an anarchistic society by nature so assuming they will work us after the war is over is a bit of a stretch.
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https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest/status/876090863985856513

Looks like we're in for a treat. QD says the next thread will run from Sunday through Monday evening.

Praise Mother!

Watch your health QD. We don't want you dying on us from lack of sleep.
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>>1584759
That's a damn long one, man.
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>>1584885
A long run might mean planned happenings.
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>>1584896
Well...

We've got the Union vote on the Expanse,
The Smith factory raid,
The rescue at the breached research lab,
And meeting the main Cluster on Djin.

So take your pick of happenings to be done.
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>>1585202
Just to confirm, are all of these events happening in the same day?
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>>1585442
Yep. This is a hell of a day. And that's not even counting our invasion of multiple Commonwealth worlds and Titan deployment against the Scavs.
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>>1586523
>titan deployment.

Nigga, I've been waiting for this for so long
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>>1586523
And the Obisidian spores.
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>>1586743
I like how Cunningham is just chill with our Titan. I guess he isn't that worried since it's on his side.
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>>1586815
Yeah, we have that too. But honestly the Obsidian spore removal is probably going to be a days long event at best - and could take weeks or months to remove entirely. The only way it will be over quickly is if the Union is as chill as the Commonwealth is and allows us to mass deploy troops and creep to find and hunt the OQ spore colonies. It is very doubtful they will let us do that without all out war, so our maximum creep involvement "today" will probably involve warning the Union that a biosphere consuming bioweapon has been activated on their most populated planet.
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>>1586743
I'm probably going to cum when it finally fights, I've been pent up for too long.
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>>1587389
Watch as we roll a 1 and have the titan get blown up by friendly fire from the Commonwealth's tactical nukes
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New thread if'n y'all are still here
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