The cold wind bites at the skin even beneath the insulated masks of your agents' gear as they slog through the deep snow. The sky above begins to glow in the dark of night as radiation dances through the planet's ionosphere, and the air fills with whipping torrential sheets of snow, whirling through the air as the wind howls through the jagged mountains surrounding the valley. The mining rig is almost beyond view through the snow, highlighted only by the glow of its floodlights diffusing through the blizzard.Your space pods maintain a silent vigil in orbit as they attempt to pierce the thick layer of ionized gas swirling through the atmosphere. They can make out no details, but track the psionic activity of your agents as they move across the landscape as the ambient temperature of the ice bellow slowly begins to increase. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>1487290You feeling alright QD to run a quest?
Daily reminder>Raid OQ>Read the locked memories of that thinker.>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.>Send a diplomacy team to earth.>Build that new FTL prediction building.>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
>>1487290Woo DiploBug Quest!
Time for more space horror and hive diplomacy.
>>1487290>as they move across the landscape as the ambient temperature of the ice bellow slowly begins to increase.Is this because they're going deeper underground, or did they wake up something big under the ice...
>>1487290You slowly loosen your mental grip on the cluster of minds, and they begin to reform in your grasp as you pull back from its mind. It follows you, not as an attack, but as an invited guest visiting for a talk. A new reality bleeds into existence from the blank chaos of the human subconscious as what you recognize as Gilliam's childhood home builds around you. Gilliam's mind lays largely dormant, his mind making room for its new guests as the small shard of his mind sits in confused fear on the floor among a scattered pile of children's toys, each a scattered memory or momentarily repressed thought process or comprehension and understanding.He looks at them, trying to understand himself, and reaches out to you for comfort as the reformed Cluster forms before you. Its chorus of thoughts form together into a single coherent mind stronger than the sum of its component minds, but still far smaller than your vast interstellar consciousness. It stands before you warily."What are your plans here?" You ask. "By what covenant do you abide?" The new higher mind seems slightly confused for a moment, and then sad."The Schism has taken much from us all. We have all three been cast from our heaven. Our covenant was with ourselves, and with you. We saw no victory for any participant in your war. We take no sides. We make no harm. We will see nothing and hear nothing content to slumber in darkness until the war's end." The cluster looks to Gilliam's feeble mind as he buries himself into your side with fear. "We did not know this flesh was the thrall of the Hive but we shall respect them as yours if you would have them release us.">Write in
>>1487413We are trying to release you, however, if it goes wrong, this one's entire race might go to war with both of us
>>1487413And once you are free? What are your intentions?
>>1487413Show them the memory of the White Queen's battle with the Void. "The war is drawing to a close. What then?"
>Gilliam's feeble mind as he buries himself into your side with fear.I keep seeing this as a child Gilliam pulling the skirt of our mental avatar. And it's cute.
>>1487438I don't think we should show them that, telling them the war is ending soon is enough.
>>1487413This human lacks the power to release you.It's more complex than you know. The humans cannot know you escaped and must believe themselves safe from you. This is a battleground in our war.It would have to appear as if you met your demise here, in order for you to secretly obtain freedom.That, or you could attempt to reason with the other human Thinker, Palmer... openly beseech the humans to return you to the frozen planet you were found on. Send a message to him somehow. This one cannot have open contact with you.
>>1487438Nah, we shouldn't show that much of our hand this early.
>>1487309Yea, I just had to go to the ER the other day because I sprung a bit of a leak and my family was concerned, so they had my CT scan yesterday instead of later in the week.It's nothing, just one of the weird gross things your body does when healing from surgery. It's trying to attack my chest plate because it thinks it's an infection, so my chest is swelling up with white blood cells. A cyst formed on the skin and it just popped on friday.It's gross, but nothing to worry about.
>>1487455Or, wait. If there aren't any cameras in these dorms.I guess we could pretend that the Thing, once it realized the gig was up, admitted its identity, and the private panicked and got aggressive and that's why he was attacked and ded.And Gilliam had a totally not mind-meld but incredibly intimidating conversation with the Thing since he didn't attack immediately.Since we need an explanation for how Gilliam gets out of this room alive, while the private is dead.
>>1487413Let's ask Cluster it's capabilities. Can it interface with electronic devices and let's ask him about the Spores are they eating through the room?
>>1487413The war is not yet over, although it has made us both weary. The humans were a key element we used to build a weapon against the Void, although the humans themselves did not know it nor do we intend to tell them.We cannot control the humans directly, for as you will have noticed they are psionically blind like yourselves. However, we can send some Hive ships to pick you up and return you to your cluster which still sleeps. We shall talk with the human leaders, please try to avoid killing any more of them as the diplomatic situation is... complex.
>>1487478Ah, Thank god. I was worried and all that normal shit.
>>1487484Pretty sure we know it can't possibly know about the suspected OQ spore pod, and that it's never met human electronic devices, it's a few thousand years too old for these whipper snappers' gizmos.
>>1487413This one is ours,the rest are not. We want to get you out,but you are going to have to play akong. Are there more instances in the ice world you were frozen in? Also Gilliam is being a cute. Must protect our children.
>>1487478>Questdrone is leaking>distressedworkernosies.wav>Quest drone should not be leaking! Questdrone is best at questing not leaking! Shit man, hang in there.
>>1487495True, but it can probably send radio waves. Maybe we can have it transform into a creature that is radio capable and have that "contact" the hive?
>>1487492Not interested in just sending a ship since that's retarded.
>>1487413Can we push for more in this bargain?Some novel genetic data we've never studied before? Some thorough medical scans and studying the cluster mind?Just attempting to help it escape risks a lot on our side.
>>1487505We could just trade adaptions and knowledge with it. Give it the knowledge it needs to alert us.
>>1487522We could just straight up ask for adaptions.
>>1487505I get the sense that this building might be shielded too heavily for that.It would probably need to hijack an existing method of reaching the outside.
>Offer to honor the pact and we will take it to its home in cluster if it will share with us it's total knowledge.
>>1487413If we claim that we noticed a fact on Djinn had been messed with and claim that it is...volatile,we might be able to get Morgan to convince the Intelligence Sect to let us take the stuff.
>>1487548*cache on Djinn
>>1487483What if the official Gilliam report of this encounter goes like:>It demanded to know the way back to its brethren or to a local hive, and said it would keep killing us until we gave it a way home.If that doesn't prompt them to call the embassy I dunno what will.Though it would really be nice if we could suppress the knowledge of human-impersonating shapeshifters from this lab. Dunno if everyone here dying would even help that or if that particular data, which Palmer and GIlliam determined from the autopsy, has already left the lab.
>>1487483Pretty sure that would lead to Gilliam, at best, getting his ass quarantined. And the humans could quite possibly panic and shoot the mockery of a human form that the Cluster is imitating.>1487511The only way this ends is either we take the Cluster aboard one of our ships, or it escapes into the heart of the most populated planet in human space. Eventually it will manage to assimilate someone with the codes to disable the lockdown.Of the two options, I think talking with the human leaders and claiming we received a signal from the Cluster (we can call it a bioweapon if needed to hide its sentient nature), and are intervening for that reason is much safer than allowing a powerful ancient entity we know almost nothing about into the city.
>>1487564Gilliam is already going to be quarantined. There is no possible way to hide the fact that the Thing was in this room, and Gilliam was in this room, and the private died here.All we can do is come up with a story that is at least plausible and leads only to temporary quarantine and blood tests, not burning him at the stake.
>>1487563It could work if we do it like Gilliam is being personally threatened by the thing.
>>1487563That might work, but it would still implicate Gilliam. With some modifications I could support this. Maybe have it grab a radio and screech it's demands in an obviously inhuman voice to hide the extent of its mimicking abilities?
>>1487584Is there any possible cover story what what the hell happened in this room that would UN-implicate Gilliam?
>>1487578In the previous thread i talked about how we could have Gilliam run away immediately after the mind talk ends, depending on how long we spend in there Gilliam escaping is still believable.
>>1487583Or,we submit to whatever scans they can use. They don't have acess to almost all of their ewuipment,so the parasite can stay hidden and I'm pretty sure the cluster can just stay out of whereever they would scan him.
>>1487564Actually we more or less know whatever the fuck we want to know about it.
>>1487605We haven't copied its entire mind yet, and we just released our mind-crush on him, so not so much anymore.Also, what does the cluster last remember before it was frozen anyway?
>>1487596Not really. I guess the question is whether Gilliam is better off "dead" or as tainted goods. Most of the "diplomacy" options depend on Gilliam surviving. We might have more plausible deniability Gilliam is/was our mole if we just kill Gilliam and then have the Cluster demand contact with the hive.
>>1487596>Gilliam and guard go into room to ask Sanders questions.>Sanders reveals he's the Thing and attacks, kills the guard.>Gilliam runs away, contacts the others, manages to get through the door.This depends on how long the mind talk is in real time, if it's a second the moment Gilliam is released he has to run to make it believable.The other cover story is.>Gilliam stands at the doorway, the Thing is holding a blade on his neck, threatens to kill everyone if it's not released.
>>1487386That ambient temperature rise is being observed from the pod in space, so... things be melting.
>>1487625The trouble with the former is it raises the same question Gilliam raised about Sanders, that getting away was suspiciously easy.The trouble with the latter is that if they refuse, Gilliam will have to die or the fact that it didn't kill him will be suspicious.We lack any really good option.
>>1487710Spores. We need to know the condition of the spores. They can be used as a distraction.
>>1487710As another anon said,they dont have as much of their screening tech,so we should,out of the gate,ask to be examined.That will reduce paranoia. Since the Cluster only just entered Gilliam,it likily didnt alter any/too many of his cells. A sample,only just large enough to survive,can wait in part of Gilliam's digestive tract(since that is unlikely to be searched as thoroughly as blood). and wait for the earliest opportunity to exit the body. A stealthed pod will then pick it up.
>>1487710Just have the Thing cut/stab/rip out his throat. Normally fatal but with parasite intervention,easily survivable given the nearby medical help.
>>1487732>>1487600>They don't have acess to almost all of their ewuipment,They said "We'll have a medical scanner setup by the time you get back." What's the more thorough equipment they'll lack again?
>>1487732The entire facility will be placed under quarantine as intensely as possible. Even if they don't have all their tech with them now, if they manage to "kill" the Cluster they won't lift the lockdown until everyone left inside has gone through the most detailed scans they can muster. >>1487744 Medical pods. But they will likely bring them on site before trusting the Cluster is contained.
>>1487413You reach down to embrace the frightened, compressed mote of Gilliam's consciousness as you hold him like a child."This one is mine, but the others are not." You say. "If the Hive acts directly, it will lead to war with both of us.""Meaningless." The cluster of minds replies. "What could these animals be against even one of the Three? Why should we fear the creations of our idle hands?" Thoughts flash through the collection of minds, of worlds seeded, moulded, and sometimes cleansed when necessary. A moment of realization flashes through its tiny network of physically linked minds. There is a resentful sadness as they seem to hear an unspoken reply."We have dethroned ourselves." The minds say. "How far could we have fallen to be so low?""Your release must be done without their knowledge." You reply. "They fear you, and will go to great lengths to destroy you in their panic. They do not know the Hive is so close among them, and it needs to stay that way. They have been a key asset in the fight against the Void." There is a mental groan of disdain."Your schism continues!" The minds say. "Will you be fated to this war until the stars die and the universe grows cold?""We are close to-""We have been told this." The voices cut off your thought, anticipating it with distant memories. "By both sides. We have remained steadfast in our choice, but how long must we wait? Close to victory. We heard this before your ark had launched. We heard it before the Slave serpents burned the Diamond Halls of your elders. We heard it before the Pearl of the Queens was driven to supernova. Before the devastation of the Crawling Worlds and before the Stone Star was sent hurling into the Palace of Thought."Thoughts race by, ancient, worn with time, passed down from distant clusters who gained the memory second hand. A vast, world spanning hive, covered in glittering structures shattering like glass as another world falls down upon the surface. Swarms of Skyl ships bombard a vast spire reaching into orbit as swarms of hive craft rip at their formations. A star slowly dims from the view of some nearby starship as its surface becomes covered in pinpricks of shadow, and the star shrinks, suddenly and fiercely, then there is blinding light and searing heat."Then the schism continues." You reply."And it will." The minds say. "We were chosen to drift here because it was the source of the Skyl, and the destination of the ark. We would slumber through the war, and be active enough to determine when it had concluded. It is our task to find and awaken the others when there is peace once more. We have waited too long now. Our memories fade from our minds and our strands grow tired and worn. We have all suffered from your conflict.">Offer the cluster a deal>Ask more questions>Other
>>1487762>Offer the cluster a deal>yall dont need to stress. Just chill my dude, we got you. No more grudges man. We can mediate too.
>>1487413Maybe we should offer to simply stand aside while the Cluster does its thing.So long as it doesn't engage in complete genocide, anyway.
>>1487762>they seem to hear an unspoken reply.Hey no reading the Queen's mind.>>1487762>>Ask more questionsWhy were you in the guise of a hive drone when you were frozen, anyway?And were you in contact with the White Queen? How far have the stars moved since you were conscious on that watery world?
Is the void the third race?>>1487762Ask them Why the hive is at war with the void, and how the war started.
>>1487762Uh it just want to get home and tell the others what is happening.And god dammit Union REALLY fucked up this time.>Offer the cluster a deal"Okay we will help you">Ask more questions
>>1487762The void may no longer care about your neutrality,or at least, the OQ does not seem like the kind of entity that would hesitate to attack a weakened non combatantOffer to tell it what we know of current and recent events,a place to recover, and protection if OQ comes a'knockin. We will respect your neutrality,but at least let us help you and dont try to shut yourself of from the conflict.
>>1487818Did you read the last thread. That's not new information.And its memories that ancient are vague and nonspecific about the original cause. Because of course.And geez, at this point it's mostly self-defense, Cluster. The void recently tried to take down this entire sector of space, including you. "Trillions of souls," their slave specified.
>>1487818Yes he just said that both sides talk/talked to then.
>>1487762>>Offer the cluster a dealWe will not force you to take a side in this war, but we agree that these monkeys have no right to hold one of the three. We apologize for the indignity of our servants. We can ensure your escape, but the humans must not know this Gilliam is the Hive's thrall. Can you make a call for us to come such that the humans can hear you? We will come and take you back to your Cluster.What can we do to help you?
>>1487818Pretty much confirmed.>>1487762"There is no peace. I know no reason for any schism. Whatever the reason for the start of this war, it is now lost to time. This is now a war for survival. What will you do knowing that only a handful of Queens remain? Release can be arranged."
Iguess that after witnessing this Gilliam will see that is better for the Union if they start hearing what the hive says.
>>1487848>We have all three been cast from our heaven.Unless going to the Nth dimension is viewed as being "cast down", Im hesitant to say the Void is the Third.
>>1487868Schism is the only word you need to know to tell you the Void is the third.
>>1487868And they can only act indirectly on the universe at the moment. Who knows how powerful they were before.
>>1487762>Offer the cluster a dealOffer to help them escape, since it both gives them freedom, and gives the Union yet another reason to believe us when we say they need to stop fucking with ancient shit.No, Killinger and his posse won't care, but as we've seen there are plenty of others in high places who are becoming increasingly exasperated about how much trouble his schemes are causing. Also, we need to be clear that we won't tolerate excessive interference with the humans. If the cluster needs to kill and absorb a bunch to fuck off to the ends of space then fine, but if they start causing trouble that keeps the Psionic Cannon from happening then we're going to have a problem.
>>1487868e voids are in-between this space and the heaven. The void are literally in the Purgatory, not capable to go to heaven and not able to affect this reality.
We should get Theseus and the scarred queen in this, it's important shit.
>>1487903We can tell then later. We need to solve this mind talk fast if we want to keep Gilliam's as a covert agent.
>>1487794Killing everyone in this lab but a handful might be good, then we only need to parasite a few new people to cover up the fact of "human impersonators exist, shit let's be paranoid."
>>1487903Scarred Queen (I like the name) probably doesn't know shit but I guess we can ask, and Theseus definitely has no stake in this and talking to him about it right now would be pointless.
>>1487890At least one person on the security council(Morgan) was goddamn pissed at what happened at nowhere. The people on the council(and Killenger) arnt caroonish morons who will attempt to sodomize any ancient tech they find. I think they could still try to fuck with void shards,but to a far,FAR lesser extent than before.
>>1487896Their 'Heaven' wasn't outside 3-dimensional space. We saw the flashback cluster use what seemed to be a blink drive to leave it. It's a metaphor.
>Scarred Queen Dam that sound cool.
>>1487762>>Offer the cluster a dealAlthough yeah... hey. Once you're out of here. Submit to thorough study and we'll see what we can do to keep your strands from fraying any further.
>>1487903Scarred Queen is a great name. I think for now we should just deal with the Cluster ourselves, though, since we are the dominant Queen and the Cluster will likely not think very highly of Theseus (at least initially).
>>1487919>probablyWe know for a fact that they don't know shit about no clusters, because we asked them before. They said they didn't know what it was. They just recognized one of its skins.
Also we need to cancel some of the ships people want to build. Enough so we won't have negative income.
>>1488054I wonder if we can stop a ship at 99% completion and just never turn it on. That way they wouldn't take up any nutrients and we would have a fleet waiting in the wings if needed. so similar to the Union mothballed ships where they are just inactive and waiting for the final assembly.
>>1488088How about we ask QD next time he posts?
>>1488054Why not just make more farms on the new planets we've got?
>>1488054Better idea we should blink our new ships on the inhabited worlds in the expanse and colobize then. Then we wait for the humans decision.
>>1487762"When the humans found you, they mistook you for a drone of the Hive." You say "why did you have this appearance?""You make efficient strands. This shape is convenient, but it is no disguise.""Do you remember what caused the war?" You ask. The minds shift with concern."We would ask you. That you no longer remember is further proof of the schisms futility. It was not our place to know the cause of your conflicts, or to aid in their resolutions. This is your matter, but you made it all of ours.""What will you do when you do escape?" You ask as you change the subject."We will return to our greater cluster. We will share the information we have gathered, and our greater thought-minds will bring us to consensus in our actions, and spread the orders to our other local clusters.""And what of these humans?" You ask. The minds seem confused."What of them?" It says. "They are obstacles. They will be removed is necessary, their biological mass shall feed this cluster, and their strands will serve to further improve our structure.""And the humans beyond this place?" The minds pluck at one of the memories of Gilliam on the floor. The minds turn over the memory as it ponders options."We can find a way off this world with their primitive tools. Their metal starships can take us where we need, and their shapes will provide us useful disguises.">Release the mental link>Ask additional questions>Offer a deal>Other (write in)Sorry about the wait.
>>1488101Anon's are worried that Union will tray to delay the delivery of the expanse to the hive.
>>1488101Even if we ramped up to a 100 development score on all of our planets it wouldn't be enough. The new planets can't be colonized without risking a war.
>>1488113So start a war with the Union?
>>1488117>Offer a deal.We could maybe offer them a way off the planet?
>>1488113Haven't we already done that, they aren't colonizing but the ships are there.Watching
>>1488123Most of the planets can't be colonized without terraforming anyway. Which would require the nutrients that are going to be completely eaten up by the ships you want to build.
>>1488117>Other (write in)That isn't acceptable. The humans are more organized then you think. And the amount of lifes taken while you blundly try to find such ship are way to ineficient...but the hive maybe able to help you. If you offer some of the genetic data you have im yourself as payment.
>>1488101The farms will take time to show results and we would have to invest our nutrient stockpile into them, which would decrease the buffer our stockpile would provide before the new ships make us starve.If we have to we can just throw the new fleet at the Scavs until they're all wiped out (less risk of reverse engineering than the OQ). Throwing away that many ships still seems like a waste, though.>Offer a dealThe humans may panic if you escape into their city, which would be to the detriment of our current relations. If you can send a message the humans will overhear, the Hive can send you a ship to return you to your Cluster.We have detected heat coming from where your cluster slept? Is it awakening?
>>1488117Their society must not be disrupted. The humans are our garden, and the ecosystem is very delicate.There are other ways to get you home. We can arrange metal starships to convey you, if you allow yourself to be frozen once more.We can have the humans return to the world they found you on, in the state they found you. This will assuage their fears and prevent disaster their panic can bring.
>>1488117Ah,thats an advantage the hives have over the cluster:they are concerned with physical/biological advantages. W,on the other hand, can consider advantages beyond the physical. The Cluster would probably be flummoxed by the concept of currency and abstract things like love and our unbridled cheekiness.Try to tell it these things,and how this mentality might have worked when it was a near undisputed master of Genesis and Armageddon,but not when it and its other instances are in a such a highly atrophied state.
>>1488157We do have hibrids in the planet. Do you think they could smuggle cluster out of the planet?Or should we send Lyle?
>>1488169Meant to reply to>>1488117
>>1488117>"We will return to our greater cluster. We will share the information we have gathered, and our greater thought-minds will bring us to consensus in our actions, and spread the orders to our other local clusters."Literally bio-TheseusDo this deal: >>1488169>If you can send a message the humans will overhear, the Hive can send you a ship to return you to your Cluster.>>1488165Deckard’ claim, Darwin, and Aral don't need to be terraformed.
>>1488169The Scavengers are actually better at reverse engineering than the Hive.
>>1488175It looks to me like the Cluster adapts existing forms to improve their own, while the Hive can both adapt other creatures AND create our own adaptations in their own right.
>>1488169>If you can send a message the humans will overhear, the Hive can send you a ship to return you to your Cluster.Let's do this plan.
>>1488192No they're not, They're better than the humans but they don't surpass us.
>>1488192They can't reverse engineer biological stuff.
>>1488192The scavengers have no point of reference for adapting Hive biotech. And when it took the Scavs several weeks to reverse engineer the human dropsuit designs for their own we remarked that it was "very slow" I am much more concerned about the OQ reverse engineering our adaptations than I am about the Scavs.
>>1488190>mostRead what I said also Deckard's claim is where Cluster is and it is currently being terraformed.
>>1488175The cluster understand lives as a eat or be eaten role. The hive understand it as every life deserves to grow and should be natured and taken care of. The void think all life should worship the three races.
>>1488197Bingo. They are able to get into all the little nooks and cannies of the "bio tech tree",but they lack synergy with the other ones.They would probably be utter garbage at diplomacy,short of parasiting everyone and using pheromones.
>>1488216The cluster is on Djinn anon.
>>1488216Deckard's Claim is in the Koenig system.> Population, 182,000. Simple world with primitive biosphere of low-gravity adapted animal and plant life. No native intelligent life. Colony efforts are under way under the leadership of the discovering surveyor, Commander Lucas Deckard.Djin is another planet in the system that Cluster is on.
>>1488248Guess we will be re-naming it then.
>>1488205Actually they rival psionic races in their capacity.>>1488212Have they gotten away with a sample yet?>>1488215More likely days anon. The only thing they would need to properly reverse engineer our tech is nanomachine and the skyl ringworld had plenty.
>>1488245>>1488248Right mix them up.
>>1488261>the skyl ringworld had plentyThe Skyl never once successfully reverse engineered the nanomachines used on them, we had to complete it based on their partially-done research job.
>>1488117Oh, and the humans have ways of scrutinizing and seeing through your disguises. You greatly underestimate them.
>>1488269QD outright said he was doing loot rolls for mining the ringworld when asked. Mentioned it was full of stuff we already had like bulkheads and nanomachines.
>>1488117"They are delicate, violent creatures. They will destroy themselves to keep you contained." You say. "If you make contact with them, the Hive can intervene publicly on your behalf.""We would do well to stay in their shadow. We can hide and observe. Why should we speak with them?" The minds say."You underestimate them." You reply. "The Humans have means of detecting you. If you announce your intelligence and request to speak with the Hive, we may intervene. We must take care now, this is a matter of subtle influence." The cluster of minds thinks for a moment, frozen in conflict."This cluster will be lost. Ensure a portion of it returns to the other clusters within this place, and they will follow your offer. This cluster was always disposable. We delayed our plan when the chance to gather your thrall's knowledge became available.""And what is your plan?""We gained understanding from the human warrior forms. We have used their technology against them. Your thrall should flee this place, it will not be safe when we conclude this communion."The memory drops from its grip, and in its place a new form emerges from thought. It is a rather large shaped explosive charge, something typically used for breaching a doorway, but several have been tied together, plastic explosives packed around it into a tight ball of explosives."We have learned this is used to create a burst of thermal energy and an expanding concussive wave. This will aid us in breaking through the containment of this hiding place. This room is at the edge of that reinforcement, where it is weakest.">Recommend a different plan>Provide detailed instructions for it to contact the Hive publicly>Speak about something else>Sever the mental link>Other
>>1488385Provide detailed instructions for it to contact the Hive publicly
>>1488385Provide detailed instructions for it to contact the Hive publicly.
>>1488385Shit,they might try to glass the place. How fast can the Cluster get away and could it get somewhere safe from orbital bombardment? I recommend the sewers:a relatively straight path away,its underground and minimal security. It had better allow the other instances to be destroyed...thoroughly. A stealth pod can pick it up at an agreed upon place,such as a each or wherever the sewer lets out.
>>1488385>Provide detailed instructions for it to contact the Hive publiclyMORE ADOPTIONS
>>1488385>Provide detailed instructions for it to contact the Hive publicly
>>1488385So, he had a bomb hidden in the lockers.And this is just to let him break in and eat the humans in here, it won't help him actually get past the starship alloy outer barrier will it?
>>1488406>>1488385Of course,thats if shit hits the fan. Public contact works,just make sure its after Gilliam gets away.
>>1488385>Sever the mental linkI must dissent from the popular option to give it more information. I don't think we can necessarily trust it, especially when it senses weakness.Let the Union clean up their own mess.
>>1488406Even the Union wouldn't dare to nuke one of it's most populated planets. It would be like killing all their political career.
>>1488395>>1488405Will it be suspicious that it knows such information?How would it work. send an email through relays that lead to various colonies in the Expanse, spamming the airwaves looking for a hive that might pick it up?
GAS THE SQUIDSNUKE THE WHALESSTAB THE MONKEYSTRUST NOTHINGTHE VOID IS WATCHING
>>1488434It wold be a "localized nuking",like what they did at the last facilty. While I agree its not certain they would do it,considering all the shit that they have come face to face with since Nowhere,they might panic and pull a stupid before they competent people upstairs can tell them how retarded they are.
>>1488446Wow, you're late. Was wondering where that was.
>>1488434Do you even know how politics work?If they decide to nuke the place it'll be effortless for the Union to blame the rebels because nobody would assume that the Union would nuke itself.While it's not a guarantee they'll glass the place, it's definitely a realistic option for them.
>>1488434I'm surprised that they don't have any total facility wiping procedures for stuff like this. Like, even in irl right now, viral/bacterial labs have basic "isolate room -> radiation bath" countermeasures. It's funny the union is so incompetent they haven't implemented the most efficient method for a large facility.It's like, just cook the facility guys. But no we don't want to spend money on security. Good for us I guess.
>>1488385>>Sever the mental link
We could tell them about the spores and about the clones on the planet.
>>1488459Seriously. I would have thought they would have learned after the past time they had to nuke a facility holding hive life that they better hold their bio research labs in places that can be nuked. Instead they put it in a city. It's just stupid.Oh, and the bombs could set off the OQ's spores...
>>1488385>"This cluster will be lost. Ensure a portion of it returns to the other clusters within this place, and they will follow your offer.How the heck are we ever gonna smuggle a piece out and let it into the air vents, if it apparently needs us to do it and can't do so itself?It can't just send a piece scurrying through the air vents since this hiding place is too secure or something.It just wants to hide a piece of it outside the blast wave that's going to happen, then it can go back through the hole that exploded?
>>1488464dont know about the spores ingame, its meta knowledge
>>1488473>Oh, and the bombs could set off the OQ's spores...Shit right.>>1488385>>Recommend a different planHow far reaching is the explosion? It may risk breaching containment of suspected bio weapons from another hive that even you cannot survive.Explosion is not recommended.
>>1488478What? We know the OQ creep spreads through spores, how the hell is it meta knowledge?
>>1488478We know they have a chunk of an OQ ship here already. We know what pieces of OQ ships do.
Wait, couldn't the Union blame this on the Hive?
>>1488477>>1488491How about that plan of using Gilliam as a drug mule and crapping him out ASAP?
>>1488491Technically we want to release the OQ spores, the Cluster being infected with them is definitely bad though.
>>1488478No it's not meta knowledge. How is it meta at all? Theseus literally told us the ship is full of spores that fuck shit up and Gilliam was outright told they had a piece of the ship. Are you an idiot?
>>1488496>>1488504We know about the 1, but the queen has been given no indication about spores being on this planet and thinks she did a good job of cleaning up the mess
>>1488478We do know there is still a OQ's tinker corpse inside the lab. We are also seing first hand at Scarred Queen's world, how strong her creep is.I just hope her drones don't drip creep once they touch the surface. Or that it would need some kind of relay.
>>1488526The fact that Gilliam has chunks of ship in this lab has already disproven that impression.
>>1488526You are a fucking idiot. Is the Red Queen stupid enough to not believe her goddamn eyes.
>>1488526That was before we had Gilliam here, when he found out, we found out.
>>1488526Look here anon:>>1488521
>>1488538>>1488539>>1488540And hopefully the union did basic bio-hazard procedures when collecting these ones and didn't let uncontrollable growth or maybe got these ones from the ship debris in orbit And gillian is in a research bunker, that does not indicate uncontrolled spore growth on path >>1488542Im taking about the queen knowing about how bad the spore infestation on path is, of course she knows about what OQ spores can do
>>1488385>Provide detailed instructions for it to contact the Hive publiclyIt could actually parlay with the humans here if we play it write if it uses gillium as a hostage use the fact that its been in the air vents as a threat and plats of it being a hive parasite that doesn't want to be found by the hive it could make a convincing argument to the humans to let it go.
Assuming we land a ship and get the humans to stand down long enough to let a worker into the lab somehow.How would re establishing mental contact with the cluster work. Does it just shove a needle into the worker's spine to have a conversation with it?
>>1488558They obviously have not sprouted yet anon, it doesn't matter what precautions they took before if those precautions get blown to smithereens by a goddamn bomb.
I wonder how Gilliam feels while he witness all this talk.
>>1488567I question if he's really even aware of what's going on.
>>1488560I only might be cool with this if we can guarantee that once we kill our parasite in Gilliam,he wouldn't rat on us because of our mental imprinting/motherly love. I dont care some anons say, Gilliam is a valuable asset and shouldn't be sold off so easily.
>>1488558Their are spores inside the fucking lab you dense motherfucker. If there is a piece of the ship there are spores and the guys in charge said there were a bunch of piece. What about this is meta?
>>1488574Imagine yourself as a little kid and your being held by your mother calmly while she talks to a very scawy stranger and not understanding what they are saying.Probably something like that.
>>1488576We could just mind dominate him so hes mentally dependent pn us a little immoral but effective
>>1488572>basic geometry, quadratics, and trig are seen as complicated nowadaysThis country is doomed.
>>1488578Because the queen doesn't know the scale of the problem/1For all she knows it was just minor amount of debris that the union would be able to handle without spore Armageddon happening Them researching the debris was a given and not unexpected
>>1488581Scrawny since hes calling things strands i figured he sounded and looked like abathur
>>1488598The Union recovered several chunks of ships and a spore pod. Some things were so undamaged they could be readily identified (like the thinker) We thought we had burned everything to a crisp. It's not too meta for us to think there is likely debris the Union didn't find if they found so much already.
>>1488598We don't even know on a meta level how fucked shit is. But it is smart to assume it would take a few days for it to grow.
>>1488608Not to the extent that the union could lose path to spores We knew there would be some leftovers but it would be at the amount that the union would have been able to handle And not something we would have to be worried about
>>1488618Oh shut up with this stupid shit. Assuming the worst is perfectly logical you thick headed nigger.
>>1488636Dude chill out
>>1488594I was never good at math.
>>1488671This is literally all 6th grade shit except for the trig. Do you live in the south side of chicago or something?
>>1488690I could probably figure it out given some time, but I haven't had to do anything but the basic math since I got out of highschool.
Did...did QD die?
>>1488804>tfw he just had a heart attack
>>1488804Don't scare me like that! You almost gve me a... heart attack
>>1488385"You must communicate with the humans. They use radio for long range communication. If you can access their technology you can transmit a message. The language you use is irrelevant, we will be able to use any public contact you make to intervene with the greater Hive.""Keep a portion of us alive, and the rest will know this when they merge." The minds reply."How?" You ask."We will hide it. Allow it to remain hidden, and if needed, direct the other cluster to it. For now, we must accomplish our goal. Time grows short."You feel the mind recede, flowing out in a stream of consciousness through the layers of thought as the discarded memories begin to come together. Thought fades into vision, sound, sensation, and Gilliam drops to the floor with a thud as he hits the wall. He scrambles to gather himself, flailing his arms as he tries to open the door. It opens, and he falls out to the ground as he tries to catch his breath, someone gripping him as he flails his arms for anything to keep himself upright."Jesus fucking christ!" Someone shouts, "what is it?"Gilliam falls against the far wall of the hallway as someone drops him against it, and he turns to face the door where Sanders hangs from the ceiling by the claws sprouting from his back. Wires of tissue link from his leg to the tail of a massive centipede of mangled flesh as it pulls its head from the body of the guard on the floor. There is a sudden burst of weapons fire and chunks of flesh fly from its hide as it rushes off to the side down the hallway of lockers.Palmer appears above Gilliam as he struggles to slide further back into the wall in a panic."Are you okay?" He asks. Gilliam grips his arm."I think... it tried to speak to me." He stutters. "We need to get out of here now!"Soldiers fire into the doorway as Sanders's leg falls off and trails away. Chunks burst from his torso as explosive rounds burst within. It crawls forward from the ceiling, its clawed arms reaching out as one of its hands explode apart from the blast of a plasma shotgun. Gilliam turns away from the flassh of the blast, and in the corner of his eye, a severed finger twtiches on the ground. Several small legs sprout from its sides, and it crawls away down the hall.cont.Getting some issues with captcha for some reason, sorry.
Why are anons jinxing us?
>>1488804>>1488812Y'know over on /b/ they're celebrating an old guy who died mid-orgasm on a camsite. Pictures of the whole thing. Lady coming in and making a token effort to cover his dick before first responders come in and everything.I like to imagine QD falls asleep in a similar way. Dick and balls out, leaned back, and drooling.
>>1488831As expected of /b/. Anything else would be a disservice to the legacy of the board.
>>1488831I guess you can say, after rigor mortis set in, he was rock hard
>>1488827don't use the quick replyUse the top reply box. Recaptcha causes issues with quick reply sometimes.
>>1488831>yfw la petite mort becomes la grand mort instead
>>1488827"What do you mean?" Palmer asks as he lifts Gilliam by the arm. He props him up as Gilliam almost falls forward. "Oh my god." He whispers."We were wondering... if it could gather information." Gilliam manages to say. "I found out. It tried to speak to me. I think... I think I got some of its thoughts. We need to leave now, the barracks are rigged.""You mean a bomb?" Gilliam nods as he gasps for air. The two turn, and begin to move as Palmer shouts at the other soldiers, but a noise drowns out his voice, and a wall of force impacts them from behind, sending them into the air as flames engulf the barracks. Debris crumbles from the roof as flames plume from the doorway amid the horrid inhuman screams of Sanders from within the blast.The lights flicker, and emergency lights emerge from the ceiling. Gilliam struggles to keep his eyes open, the world becoming a blur around him as he either manages to walk, or is carried, further out into the common area as fire suppression systems spray the hall behind him."Get him on the bed!" Palmer says, and lights pierce through Gilliam's eyelids as he slowly gathers his thoughts, his nerves misfiring as his mind attempts to recover from the experience. He manages to open his eyes as Palmer shines a light into them and slaps him lightly. "Stay awake!" He says. His face is caked with dust, and several minor wounds seep blood from his head."What happened?" Gilliam asks."How about you tell me?" Palmer replies."I..." He struggles to find the words. "I'm not sure, it's a bit of a blur.""Well, roll over, I need to make sure this hole isn't infected.""Hole?" Gilliam mumbles as he is rolled to his side. "What hole?""The one in your neck. God, it's deep. Runs all the way to the spine." Palmer says. "My god it's already starting to heal!""What are you-" Palmer rolls him back over and grips him by the shoulders, holding him still."Listen to me." He says firmly. "You were attacked by that thing. It seems to have penetrated the back of your neck to access your spinal column, possibly to establish some neurological connection as we theorized earlier. I have no idea how serious this is, if it has caused any lasting damage, or what data could be gathered, but afterwards, you seemed to know there was a bomb in the room, so I suspect it was a two way connection, at least partially." He looks Gilliam in the eye. "Do you understand?" Gilliam nods slightly. "Good." Palmer continues. "There is something in your blood. I can't get a sample without it coagulating in the syringe. I'll be honest, this could either kill you in the next few minutes, or it could be what is healing your neck hole, but either way I suspect it was injected as a part of the connection, possibly to keep from killing you during the process. Do you understand?" Gilliam tries to find something to say."My... what's wrong with my blood?""Calm down. Like I said, it looks similar to some kind of medical salve."cont.
>>1489035Could probably mumble something like "It must be like a leech's bite has anticoagulants, this one must have a medical salve to keep its prey alive?"
>>1489035Huh, that is a nice pic
>>1489048I think it's pretty clearly smarter than the average "predator" given that it just strategically planted a bomb. We can still likely cover up the true extent of its intelligence, however, (at least for the moment).
>>1489035So when this thing gets to a radio, what sort of response force should we send? A full fleet? a single ship?
>>1489035Our spine pals are the best!
>>1489035Smart move the Cluster made, covering up our parasites' doing with its doings. Now humans gonna think Gilliam's just a victim of the bodysnatcher instead of a covert agent of the Hive.
>>1489096The fleet over Gemini.
>>1489096We only need one sizeable ship, swarming with drones.
>>1489035Goooooood. Any weird things that happned were because of a mind meld caused by physical contact and NOTHING MORE and are completely temporary. Give this train of through more coal,though not too much. Dont want them getting suspicious.
>>1489116Yep, even if they detect the parasite it will be assumed to be the work of the Cluster.>>1489063It depends on how overt we want our insertion to be. A full fleet would have everyone and their mother asking what went on here which could lead to an earlier reveal of the full cluster and would make things even more difficult for the politicians. On the other hand, a single ship might not be able to handle the full situation or could make it seem like we're taking this less seriously as a major threat.Personally I'd send a small squadron of frigates with cloaking and possibly get the mission "approved" by Union brass before launch so we don't strain tensions even further. That should be a large enough force to control the situation without inspiring panic like our whole fleet appearing would.
>>1489142Meant to reply to>>1489096
>>1489142It would be a bit dubious, it wasn't like Gilliam had any chest or belly punctures. Only one at the upper spine, no way to insert something lower.
>>1489035Mutter something about wondering why it bothered keeping him alive.Maybe it realized something?
>>1489150Don't do this.
>>1489150The last thing we want is for all the humans to suspect that Gilliam is somehow advancing the Cluster's goals by still being alive. Which he basically is, but that's not the point.
>>1489149Explainable by the "healing salve" already noticed, maybe.
>>1489150The conclusions that they are coming to work just fine. No need to over complicate things when not necessary.
>>1489035"Tell me what's the last thing you remember?" Palmer asks. Gilliam thinks for a moment, sifting through the blurs in his head."I was... I was reaching for the tablet. I tried to call for help.""We received the emergency signal, yes. Tell me what happened?""I remember there was something wrong with Sanders. He was acting strange, and I got nervous so I started to leave. Then he attacked. I hit the emergency call button and then there was..." Gilliam trails off as he attempts to gather the proper words."Was a what?""A, a voice, I think. Everything went dark, and numb, and there was a light and..." He clears his throat. "It's just a blur after that.""Fascinating." Palmer mutters, then stammers as if correcting himself. "No offence meant, of course. You've gone through a lot and-""No, no you're right. The more we know the better. I'm just glad you got to me before it put any more holes in me.""That's the thing. You said it spoke to you, and it planted a bomb in the barracks." Palmer says, almost whispering. "Just how smart is this thing?">It's smarter than us, and older>It's highly intelligent and it's learning>I don't know>Other
>>1489207>it's smarter than usLeave out the latter part. But imply that it's thinking six moves ahead.
>>1489207>>I don't know
>>1489207>It's smarter than us, and older
>>1489207>It's smarter than us, and olderBut be vague.
>>1489207>>It's smarter than us, and olderI saw things... visions of war... even the stars themselves grew cold and died. Whatever this thing is it has been around much longer than we have, and it is learning fast. I don't know how much information I gave away.
>>1489207>It's smarter than us, and older"It's not a hive drone."Get their noggins joggin.
>>1489207>It's highly intelligent and it's learningThere was the sudden accent mimicry, among other things.
>>1489207>>I don't knowWe can assume it's... at least as smart as us, probably.
>>1489207>It's highly intelligent and it's learning
>>1489207Shit, that means it's sapient, we had a sapient being trapped in a small space, and it doesn't like being locked up.Although really, the complaint might be that the humans woke it from its hibernation and it's cranky.
>>1489207>It's highly intelligent and it's learning>>1489222seconding this
>>1489207>It's smarter than us, and older>>1489244Change mine to above.
>>1489207>It's smarter than us, and older>Other"It said i was in charge. I...i think it was targeting who it believed to be the leader for information"
>>1489213I prefer this variation.
Now that I think about it, saying "it's older" doesn't really make a difference, does it? From Palmer's perspective, this is already known "no duh" information considering where we dug it up. What's the important difference since it's obviously escaping me?
>>1489270Was it already dated to be older than human civilization?
>>1489207"I saw, images I think. I think they were memories. Whatever this thing is, it's smarter than us, and a hell of a lot older." Palmer leans in closer."Are you telling me this thing is, what, space fairing?" He whispers."I saw stars. I've never seen so many ships. Christ, I don't know what in god's name this thing is but we should not be fucking with it. I'd say it's been space faring a hell of a long time before it was frozen in that cave.">Mention it is not related, but somehow associated with the Hive>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy>Claim you believe it may be able to communicate with it>Other (write in)
>>1489286>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy"Whatever it is, it was disguised as a hive drone, if anyone knows what they are and how to deal with them its the hive."
>>1489286Oh okay. The difference was aged and spacefaring. I get it now.>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy
>>1489286>>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy>>1489295This
Well this thread continues to prove my suspicions that we are in fact the bad guys, but hey, at least the doom gods are probably bad guys too.
>>1489286"I hate to admit this but we might need the Hives help with this"
>>1489286>>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy"It's probably risky, but maybe we might want to ask the Hive about it. They might appreciate us coming to them about it directly since they've already been annoyed at us not saying anything about this sort of stuff."Besides, what >>1489295 said.
>>1489274The ice was literally 90 thousand years old.
>>1489303What, just because we're in a war we're the bad guys?No one here knows how the war started, and we've certainly had no choice in whether to continue it.
>>1489303Relative to humanity, absolutely. Relative to the existence of spacetime itself, we're pretty much the vanguard defense and everyone's best hope.
>>1489306I think that's too sympathetic, better to talk like we just escaped a life or death situation and we just want to go home.
>>1489286>>Recommend contacting the Hive embassyFrom what I saw we are completely out of our depth here. This thing knows what the Hive is, at least I think I saw Hive ships in its memory. The Hive might be able to control it. But if we do nothing it WILL get out. And... and I sensed hunger in its mind. We cannot let this get into the city; who knows what harm it could do.
>>1489286>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy>Claim you believe it may be able to communicate with it
>>1489295"Speaker here this is Speaker speaking.""...""The humans woke them up?! Does their rudeness never end?"
>>1489309I wonder how this (likely) millions or billions year old Cluster will react to learning that the hive it just encountered was born 3 months ago.We are infinitesimally young to this thing even if we match its ancient lineage.
>>1489338This reminds me, we might want to go from 0 to 100 when they mention what they woke up.
>>1489312Senpai there is nothing wrong with self defence. But yknow, k̶i̶d̶n̶a̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ adopting everyone we see and usurping known space for interstellar bug war isn't good on a lot of levels.>>1489314Not entirely sure about that bit seeing as the hive still hasn't won and there have been many long periods where the universe was still kicking and our race was basically cut down to nothing in relative terms.Pretty sure this is all some fatalistic deaths dance and no one is in the right.
>>1489345Literally everyone will be shocked once they learn how young a hive we are, the only ones who won't is Theseus and the Voidgods(Unless they hid their surprise)
>>1489312I wonder about that neither the ancient queens or mother ever really gave us instructions to continue fighting we've kinda just assumed we were supposed to keep fighting
>>1489357Standard blood feud, mom at least tried to tell the other queens not to continue but they didn't listen to her and look how things turned out
>>1489346It's really more like "who".Jeez a guy wants to take a nap for 100 thousand years and his sleep gets disturbed by these youngsters.
>>1489361>mom at least tried to tell the other queens not to continueSee pic >>1488269
>>1489361Yeah but thats what doesn't make sense the hive is to pragmatic to care about a blood fued we even told Elizabeth that we didn't care if the OQ won the war against us because either way the hive would live
>>1489388No she did, she told them not to think about the shards and not deal with them at all Since they can only see ya if you see them and all that But aunty kept wanting to continuing the fight
It's a quest. If you vote for it, it will probably happen. That means if you wanted to somehow bring the Void to the table to talk things out, it might be possible. But keep in mind, everything it touches goes crazy. Even Obsidian Queen seems to be insane with rage, if not a traditional madness, but she's psionic, people aren't. What if it says that obliterating the humans because they're getting too curious is definitely a condition to any peace accord? What if they ask for certain assurances?The Hives of the past were probably just as capable of cold logic and pragmatism as they were compassion. We like the humans, like it or not, and we would resolve to peace if it could prevent a war that claimed billions. But wouldn't you think that creating a lasting peace would have drawn a majority interest from the old Hives if it were even possible?There's a diametrical line dividing the Void and the Hives, something that couldn't be reconciled. Maybe whatever the Hives championed so greatly that they wouldn't abandon the war over it is just as important to us... if we could even remember what it was. Wanna bet the Void remembers what they were fighting for?
>>1489286>Mention it is not related, but somehow associated with the Hive
>>1489401And all the other queens apparently decide to keep fighting the war instead of just saying fuck it And then aunty turned and everything went to hell and mom had no choice but to fight
>>1489400Yeah it was like the first time she asked about it and before we found a message from mom asking us to kill her
>>1489401You you think she did that to protect the other hives from the Void or to end the feud?
>>1489402Shouldn't hurt to ask. Maybe what the old Hives were fighting for actually was something we don't care about, and we can find enough common ground with the Void to end this.I doubt it though.
>>1489397>the hive is to pragmatic to care about a blood fued we even told Elizabeth that we didn't care if the OQ won the war against us because either way the hive would liveWat.Bro, the whole reason we feel our unrelenting fury against the OQ is because she's a Queen killer who directly lead to our mothers death. We have a massive raging thirst for revenge against her and if the Red Queen were to die we would absolutely instruct any of our daughter to avenge us.
>>1489286>Mention it is not related, but somehow associated with the Hive>Recommend contacting the Hive embassy
>>1489415Would have done both things, so would it have mattered? I mean at that point the old hives were pretty much dead so yeah why bother continuing? and mom knew somethings that she never told the other queens
>>1489426Then see pic >>1488269Again
>>1489402It's now in the void's interest to lie and say something that convinces you, rather than the truth, since there is no way to falsify any lies it tells.
>>1489429>>47641154"You knew the White Queen?" You ask."We all did. She led us. Her strength and her cunning was our last hope to survive." She says. There is some reservation in the statement. "But she was cold. Distant from us. She produced no daughters, refused to partake in the meeting of dynasties. She would hold tight to her control, but she never truely cared for the plights of any one Queen or bloodline." Her thoughts have an almost frightened reverence in them. "She was born in war, her and her sister. They were two of a kind, alike and inseparable, for a time.""The White Queen had a sister?" You ask. Her thoughts already drifting over the memory of a face, but you are confused as it becomes crisp."Yes. The Black Queen. Both born in war, they were the only among us who had seen the enemy themselves, when my mother was but a cocoon, sealed away and sent adrift with the others. The two Queens were our navigators and our protectors."Your mind races with questions of the ark, of the black queen before the betrayal. She stops you with a silent thought of patience."The Black Queen was fervent in her role. She dedicated herself to battle, to fighting our enemy, seeking them and their slaves out wherever she could. The Skyl, and the Ceph after them." She says. "It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies. That was the start of the schism. The two divided, and departed, but your mother was a firm leader, and in the end, most of the queens sided with her, for a time. The Skyl worked with us, some more than others, but never with her. She never trusted them, not until the day their world burned for our act of kindness, and the last skyl died for the freedom we tried to give them. She still did not trust them."
>>1489450Technically that's not true. We just need to look deeply into its mind to make sure we know the Void isn't lying...
>>1489461QuestDrone !!tu02dh0DlTY 06/06/16(Mon)05:01:07 No.47641474 >>47641391 "Over time the two Queens drifted further apart. The Black Queen continued to offer more solutions, more plans of attack. The White Queen continued to isolate herself, abandoning tradition, dismissing requests for aid or judgment, only speaking with us to warn us away from our latest plans. We would ask her why, and she would tell us only that the knowledge would destroy us. Eventually, we went on without her. The Black Queen's experiments, her research, they offered us hope, a way to attack them directly." Her head rocks in its place on the pillows. "She was right. When we sought to attack them, to reach out at them to strike, we only let them reach us." She turns back to your wasp in silence. "Knowledge is power, this is true, but it brings with it a great risk. Some things must be seen in order to see. To attack, they must be attacked. To exist, you must hold them in your mind. That is the nature of our enemy. That is what she understood, and she knew that telling us would only place us in greater danger. She could only look on as we ignored her, knowing we were lost the moment we made our first move. That, I realize now, is why she left us as our weapon grew closer to completion." >Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl >Ask more questions (write in) >Other
>>1489461>>1489466Wait, honest question if the White Queen and Black Queen saw the Void and all that. How come they were still..well able to fight them and things like that?
>>1489429>>1489466So yeah,At some point mom wanted to stop fighting the war but aunty continued it with the other queens following her And mom warned them to stay the fuck away from anything to do with it but aunty turned and total party kill >>1489469They knew stuff from the old queens, hell it seems they were in charge of commanding the ark, so they may have knew in paper but never made direct contact with the void, like how we were operating before what happened at nowhere caused the void to realize we were here
>>1489461>>1489466Is that supposed to convince me she wanted to stop the feud? Cause it doesn't.
>>1489469Given that we know know that the two probably knew of the void before they sent the Ark away, they probably knew exactly what the Void was, why the war started and how to hurt. them.
>>1489469We saw the Void and we can still fight it. The Void seeing you is not an instant game over, but it does make you a target. I believe the White Queen wanted to avoid making the other Queens a target by letting them use their ignorance as a shield - at least for a time.
>>1489482Why would that matter at all?She wanted them to stop fighting and get on with other stuff then focusing on the void
>>1489402Actually im starting to think we may have made khorne This is probably bullshit but guessing from the general way we seem to act Im assuming that the original race had a cast system and those casts evolved in to the three races the hive coming from the group that took care of agricultural and industry the cluster coming from some kind of merchant group and the crystals from advisors or some group that helped maintain the races psionc communication.In any case I going to guess the conflict started because both wanted to maintain control over the other.
>>1489494>This is probably bullshit You're right about something at least.
>>1489286Palmer looks at Gilliam with concern as a beep comes from the medical terminal. He slams his finger on it and the thin plastic tube running into Gilliam's arm is quickly flushed with a saline solution before a small tube begins to fill with blood. Palmer grabs it quickly and places it into a machine on the desk."Whatever it is in your blood is starting to thin out, but damnit it's still gumming up the needle, I'm having to dilute the sample I'm taking just to keep it liquid. This is definitely some kind of medical salve, and your neck wound is already just a scab." Palmer says as he activates the machine. "I think whatever it did to you, it's a lot more invasive than a nerve stapler, and without that salve you'd probably be dead right now with hot gravy in your skull.""Look, we can look at the results when they come in, but that thing still has more of itself out there. Now if you know of any other ancient life forms that know about ancient things in the Expanse, let me know, but I think it's time we recognize that we're in over our heads, and we need to get the Hive's help before this thing gets loose in the most populated city in the Union.""Do you think they're related?""Well we thought it was a drone when we found it, and it was frozen in the Expanse where they keep talking about ancient relics, so I'm just doing some basic arithmetic here." Gilliam snaps. Palmer nods as he holds his hands up for a moment."Right right. Look I already mentioned that possibility to-""Well ask him again! This isn't something we can handle. This place was designed to contain corpses and microbe samples, not rampaging self-replicating intelligent shapeshifters!""I would agree, but still, we have no way of knowing what their response could be." Palmer says. "We can make the case to the secretary, but first I need to make sure you're healthy.""And not one of those things." Gilliam adds. Palmer seems to pause for a moment."Yes. Yes that too. From what we have seen, I don't think they can replicate a human so quickly, at least not a full one from scratch. But I doubt Norris would let either of us out of the medical bay if I didn't at least check.""Well get me a connection to Gemini while you run your tests then. They just blew through the containment area, and we don't have much time.""I agree, although I'm not sure if Windsor will.">Attempt to connect to Secretary Windsor directly (write in)>Wait until after the tests are done>Speak with Norris about the situation (write in)>Other (write in)
>>1489480Your that idiot that was spouting that bullshit about meta knowledge earlier. And now you're spouting bullshit about why the White Queen didn't want to research the crystals.
Does the original reason for the schism even matter? The Black Queen is going to come for us, and we're going to have to defend ourselves. So there's basically no choice but to fight her.We don't have a way of communicating with the Void unless we want to peer into a Void Shard, but judging by what happened to the Black Queen, I'm going to guess that doing this is a bad idea, and we'd just end up corrupted if we tried to talk to the Void to try to find a non-violent solution to our war. Maybe Black Queen even decided to listen to the Void and try to find a peaceful solution, but we all see how that went.
>>1489492I don't know, maybe she wanted to protect the others by maintaining her ignorance?Granted we don't know her reasons but let's not automatically assume the Void can be diplomanced here.
>>1489504>>Attempt to connect to Secretary Windsor directly (write in)Guess what happened at the top-secret lab that was researching Hive drones? I'll give you 3 guesses!
>>1489504>Wait until the tests are done to prove we're not a monster, and learned 'valuable' information from it. Then contact the hive.Honestly if it 'gets out' anyway, We can claim to have gotten a message from it.
>>1489504>Attempt to connect to Secretary Windsor directly >>1489505Uh, researching the crystals ARE A BAD IDEA, THATS WHY WE AVOID THE PSI CANNON LIKE THE PLAGUE AND FREAKED OUT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT NOWHERE>>1489507Aint saying anything about diplomacy, more like time to cut our losses and stop fighting a unwinnable war it seems to me
>>1489504>Attempt to connect to Secretary Windsor directly
>>1489507Mabe she knew it was the best way to fight them? they abandoned a physical existences for a theoretical one with out something to recognize there existences they don't exist at least not in a harmful way
>>1489504>>Wait until after the tests are doneFine, prove we're not under the influence or something.Although fuck if the Thing attempts contact with the hive, and Gilliam was begging them to contact the hive, is that suspicious.
>>1489504>>Attempt to connect to Secretary Windsor directly (write in)Jack, with respect, I saw what happened at Nowhere. The situation is out of control here. From what I learned it is not a question of if, but when this Thing escapes and I have no idea what it will do in the city. We shouldn't wait for the Hive to show up on their own with a fleet of Unity server ships in tow and they start glassing the area. Unless you want a repeat of Nowhere on the most populated planet in the Union we need to bring in someone who knows what they're doing now. We fucked up bad, and this is the price we have to pay.
>>1489520You can't stop fighting a war and make peace without 'diplomacy' where the other side agrees to stop attacking too. What the heck else would you be talking about.
>>1489526That would explain their reliance on slave races, useful pawns and a way to propagate the Void.
>>1489534>supporting the QM's promptwew
>>1489534next level voting here.
>>1489527Yeah, that is suspicious. Although depending on how fast the tests are done we could "prove" purity to Jack over the comm hopefully.>>1489534Who are you supporting? You responded to QD twice.
>>1489534I second this anons motion.
>>1489536I was talking about just walking away, if you not there then how can a war be fought? Thats the thing aint it, if you cant see them then they cant see you So it was possible for them to walk away at that point but once aunty turned there were well fucked
>>1489549>I was talking about just walking away, if you not there then how can a war be fought? They chase you? The skyl did.
>>1489549You do realize she never actually gave up on the war. She was working on a better plan which the Gardener inspired.
>>1489527We could play it off as the Cluster just implanting a desire to contact the Hive in Gilliam rather than Gilliam himself being a pawn of the hive. It'll place him under additional scrutiny, but honestly he'll be under so much medical observation at this point given his physical/mental contact with the Cluster it won't make much of a difference at any rate.
>>1489528If Windsor is convinced they're in over their heads won't he just flood the lab with plasma?
>>1489528I know this is supposed to be a serious moment but I can't help thinking about how much our speakers are annoying the union admiralty "this speaker wonders if the weather is fine it sees its fine on this side of the but can't see the other side""Wel..."IGNORE ME""
>>1489552>They chase you? The skyl did.The skyl were no longer an issue at that pointAnd look here, no ceph fleet popped up to glass us after nowhere, so it must take serious effort on our part to make them send forces to gank us >>1489555So? doesn't change the fact she still wanted the other queens to stop screwing with the void since it would bring oblivion to them and she knew it
>>1489549Also known as 'running away' and problem: there is nowhere to run. They've already got their mental gaze fixed on the hive at all times. There is no place in the universe you can possibly hide.
>>1489558He probably already would have if he could. This lab is designed for corpses and microbes, remember? There probably isn't much of a "self-destruct" besides nuke the site from orbit - which would be of questionable effectiveness against the Cluster anyway given its durability and the heavy armor surrounding it. If even a few spores survive even the "nuke it" approach might not be enough...
>>1489504>Attempt to connect to Secretary Windsor directly (write in)"Run the test and put a bullet in my brain if I'm a body-snatcher, but Palmer, for the love of humanity- we have the potential for a Union wide pandemic on our hands. If you thought Nowhere was bad, wait until everyone is accusing their neighbor of being an alien impostor."
>>1489565Are you talking about us or the ark queens? Cause if us then yeah we are fucked cause of nowhere But the ark queens could have escaped before aunty turned and fucked there shit
>>1489579Gilliam's blood sample should register as human regardless, Palmer already established the Cluster is non-viable when isolated at the cellular level.
>>1489563>The skyl were no longer an issue at that point.They were the main void weapon! How in the hell weren't they an issue.>And look here, no ceph fleet popped up to glass us after nowhere, so it must take serious effort on our part to make them send forces to gank usIt's been a week since nowhere anon, they don't attack immediately.
>>1489594They skyl were freed at that point
>>1489594Anon he's idiot with retarded opinions and is blatantly misrepresenting the situation.
>>1489598What timeline are you using? cause it's shit.The arkship landed at the Garden, then the skyl chased them, then OQ suggested they free the skyl, then they somehow did.How long did it take to free the skyl? We don't know, what we do know is the skyl were a major problem at the time.
>>1489534Seconding. I too support QD.
>>1489461Speaking of former Barren Queen, I wonder if she knew anything about or seen images of the old hives. If not, the meeting with the greater Cluster will be educational for her as well.
>>1489606And i'm going to keep arguing until he becomes Einstein.Cause someone has to.
>>1489610See here:>>1489461"The Black Queen was fervent in her role. She dedicated herself to battle, to fighting our enemy, seeking them and their slaves out wherever she could. The Skyl, and the Ceph after them." She says. "It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies. That was the start of the schism. The two divided, and departed, but your mother was a firm leader, and in the end, most of the queens sided with her, for a time. The Skyl worked with us, some more than others, but never with her. She never trusted them, not until the day their world burned for our act of kindness, and the last skyl died for the freedom we tried to give them. She still did not trust them."They freed the skyl at this point and then in here:>>1489466"Over time the two Queens drifted further apart. The Black Queen continued to offer more solutions, more plans of attack. The White Queen continued to isolate herself, abandoning tradition, dismissing requests for aid or judgment, only speaking with us to warn us away from our latest plans. We would ask her why, and she would tell us only that the knowledge would destroy us. Eventually, we went on without her. The Black Queen's experiments, her research, they offered us hope, a way to attack them directly." Her head rocks in its place on the pillows. "She was right. When we sought to attack them, to reach out at them to strike, we only let them reach us." She turns back to your wasp in silence."Knowledge is power, this is true, but it brings with it a great risk. Some things must be seen in order to see. To attack, they must be attacked. To exist, you must hold them in your mind. That is the nature of our enemy. That is what she understood, and she knew that telling us would only place us in greater danger. She could only look on as we ignored her, knowing we were lost the moment we made our first move. That, I realize now, is why she left us as our weapon grew closer to completion."Mom started to tell the others to walk away and not continue messing with the void
>>1489612She's called Scarred Queen now.
>>1489617That doesn't prove me wrong.That proves you wrong.
Friendly reminder that WQ researched the psionic cannon technology and had the Builder attempt to use the prototype.
>>1489618Scarred Queen is a good name, although we should allow her to name herself.
>>1489620No it doesn't,seems to read like this Mom and aunty deal with the skyl Aunty wants to continue actively fighting the war and Mom told them these plans were stupid, causing them to drift apart Then at some point Aunty dug to deep and then the great purge began and repeated through out is When we sought to attack them, to reach out at them to strike, we only let them reach usTo attack, they must be attacked. To exist, you must hold them in your mindSo there was a period of time between the freeing of the skyl that the other queens could have left the war Seems to me your wrong or just misreading at this point
>>1489631between the freeing of the skyl and fall of aunty that the other queens could have left the war
>>1489504"Alright, we have a few minutes before the test is done anyways, and it's not like Norris will let us out until then anyways." Palmer says as he types in information on a terminal and adjusts a holoscreen projector. The screen of data flows by in the air as the relay attempts to connect. An automated system responds with a pre-packaged stream of information as Palmer enters in various codes."Damnit I bet they're still in an emergency session. There are sure to be no shortage of intelligence briefings going on right now." An image finally materializes. Jack Windsor materializes in the air from the shoulder up."What." He says flatly. "I received word of a critical emergency.""The alien sample-""Escaped, yes. We have the facility quarantined and have evacuated the area. We have kill teams standing by outside but they can't get in without running the risk of further contamination." Windsor says."It's breached the containment of the living area." Palmer says. "It killed more men, and nearly killed Gilliam. I suspect it is capable of connecting directly to the nervous system of carbon based life in a manner not at all dissimilar to a nerve stapler. The process nearly killed him, but it did seem to also imprint some thoughts in the other direction.""What do you mean?" Windsor asks quickly, his eyes darting to other screens at his desk rapidly as he spreads his attention."We mean I came into direct contact with it. I believe it targeted me as either a leader, or recognized my status as a researcher with valuable information, and attempted to siphon that information out of my head." Gilliam says. "The process was interrupted, but some of its own thoughts and memories seemed to bleed through. Sir, it was disguised as a hive drone for a reason. They have some kind of relationship with them, and it's highly intelligent.""We recommend requesting assistance in this matter." Palmer says. "We're simply not prepared for something this dangerous. It's more advanced than us, and from what we know now, it's a lot smarter than we could have anticipated.""Are we dealing with another ancient sentience here?" Windsor asks. Palmer nods gravely."It seems that way, sir. It's capable of interfacing directly with the human nervous system, can shapeshift into a perfect recreation of an individual human being, and can even replicate our speech and hold conversation." Gilliam says. "They learn quick. Before I was attacked, I saw the creature pick up accents and muscle ticks while observing me and my armed escort. It was learning how to more appropriately fit in, and it planted a bomb in the barracks.""It's already killed soldiers." Palmer says. "It's very likely it absorbed information from them before it killed them and learned how to use our weapons. It can reason, plan ahead, and hold conversation. If it's not sentient than it's the most advanced virtual intelligence I've ever seen in my life."cont.
>>1489643I wonder how much Windsor is REEEEEEing internally
>>1489643Too bad we cant have the speaker hack into this line and just rant and rave at them for this
>the most advanced virtual intelligenceAm i getting this wrong or does that mean that Palmer considers Theseus sentient?
>>1489648Oh we'll have A LOT of ranting to do once the Hive is contacted officially about this matter.
>>1489643>"What." He says flatly.I laughed. He just keeps getting shit on by the universe.
>>1489648We can.Should we? No.
>>1489631Holy shit that timeline.>"It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies. That was the start of the schism. The two divided, and departed, but your mother was a firm leader, and in the end, most of the queens sided with her, for a time.>That was the start of the schisim.How could they free the skyl before the queens are born when this says the idea of freeing them caused a schism but WQ stayed in charge?They must have delivered the queens first before coming up with that plan, it makes no sense otherwise.
>>1489655And now the Union awoke another ancient evil from it's slumber. He maybe re thinking his choices this moment
>>1489636No they could not.The White Queen said the rest were all already lost. The Gardener was invited to leave. No one else was.
>>1489653For sure.>YOU DID WHAT?!? Do you monkeys have any idea how long our non-interference pact has held up? Millions of years, and you just scatter it to the winds. You unbelievably stupid, arrogant, fucks. Do you have any idea at all how hard it is to negotiate with a fellow primordial? And of course, if we weren't here, they would have consumed you all for your insolence of daring to try to imprison and experiment on one of them.
>>1489660>>1489631The more you guys talk about this stuff the more confused I get. It's like reading a lovecraftian book that scrambles and rewrites your memories as you read it. Except it's posts.
>>1489660That was a lower-case schism between sistees anon, not The Schism between races. Jesus.
>>1489671Dude i know, i'm talking about the void god being hostile since he sent the skyl,it's main weapon, after the arkship.
>>1489663>And now the Union awoke another ancient evil from it's slumber.Honestly, at this point that's "Tuesday" for the Union.
>>1487762>>1489660Close to victory. We heard this before your ark had launched >>1489461"Yes. The Black Queen. Both born in war, they were the only among us who had seen the enemy themselves, when my mother was but a cocoon, sealed away and sent adrift with the others. The two Queens were our navigators and our protectors."First the ark get sent out with Mom and Aunty commanding it and other queens in there cocoons "The Black Queen was fervent in her role. She dedicated herself to battle, to fighting our enemy, seeking them and their slaves out wherever she could. The Skyl, and the Ceph after them." She says. "It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies. That was the start of the schism. The two divided, and departed, but your mother was a firm leader, and in the end, most of the queens sided with her, for a time. The Skyl worked with us, some more than others, but never with her. She never trusted them, not until the day their world burned for our act of kindness, and the last skyl died for the freedom we tried to give them. She still did not trust them."Mom and aunty lead the others into dealing with the skyl >>1489466 "Over time the two Queens drifted further apart. The Black Queen continued to offer more solutions, more plans of attack. The White Queen continued to isolate herself, abandoning tradition, dismissing requests for aid or judgment, only speaking with us to warn us away from our latest plans. We would ask her why, and she would tell us only that the knowledge would destroy us. Eventually, we went on without her. The Black Queen's experiments, her research, they offered us hope, a way to attack them directly." Her head rocks in its place on the pillows. "She was right. When we sought to attack them, to reach out at them to strike, we only let them reach us." She turns back to your wasp in silence.At this point they drift apart over continuing to attack the void, Aunty making new plans and mom warning the others off There was some time between the freeing of the skyl and betrayal that the other queenscould have left So are you reading these posts by QD right or are you just ignoring stuff? >>1489664That was when mom left and and warned her not to trust aunty. cause immediately after that aunty ganked the gardener and crippled the other queens and began her purge So it was too late for most of them at that point as aunty began her purge and none of the other queens could escape even if they wanted too
>>1489699But mom didn't want to make peace with the Skyl, the black Queen did. I think the gulf between them started even before the Skyl campaign was completed.
>>1489660>>1489671Correct me if i'm wrong but the timeline should look something like:>The Great Schism/Void War begins between the Void and Hive>The Void start using the Skyl as pawns>The War gets too bad and the Hives decide to send an Ark with a several dozen or so queens to this sector of space since this was where the Skyl were coming from>The Cluster collectively decides to blind their psionics, but not before sending out the Djin Cluster to shadow the Ark>The Ark lands and, guided by both the White Queen and Black Queen colonizes the expanse and wages war on the Skyl.>The Black Queen proposes to free the Skyl although the WQ disagrees with that.>The Skyl are freed/defeated and the Hives now try to turn their attention on bringing the War back to the Void itself>WQ stops giving a fuck and tells the other Hives that their plans are shit/thats a bad idea>WQ and BQ disagree on the course of actions, the other queens back the WQ so the BQ huffs off on her own,t his was the shicsm between the sisters>WQ goes recluse, leaves the leadership of the Hives to the Gardener>BQ comes back with a new proposal, then ambushes everyone at the meeting, pretty much killing off everyone except the Barren Queen and the Builder>The Builder panics and asks the WQ on what the fuck to do, WQ sends unginished schematics of the Psionic Cannon>Builder builds it and tries to use it against the BQ, fails and then dies.>The WQ then apparently does nothing for the next 50k years until after the humans find her relay on Luna during their war against the Union and they perfect the psionic cannon design.
>>1489679Ha we should ask that if they do talk to us
>>1489643"And you think the Hive has answers." Windsor says."I believe they've interacted." Gilliam says. "They would have had to at some point. It looked like a hive drone, we found it in the Expanse, their genetic code is similar in structure.""That's what I'm most concerned about." Windsor replies. "I've seen the reports. What if this thing is some kind of biological weapon system?""All the more reason to ask for their help. What if we stumbled upon some ancient minefield, or a weapon disposal site?" Gilliam says. "If we don't get them involved right now, we could be looking at another Nowhere incident happening right in the middle of a Pathian metro corridor. If this thing gets out, there would be no way to contain it."Besides," Palmer says, "this creature is exhibiting a level of intelligence that is more indicative of a higher level intelligence. With their bio-technology you could argue this is some kind of biological machine intelligence, if you're willing to take the philosophical position that an artificial intelligence is inherently different to an evolved one, regardless of if it uses neurons or qubits. Regardless, we believe this thing is sentient, and possibly a member of a space faring species." Windsor loses the color in his face."Mother of god don't you dare tell me that!" He snaps."Well then contact the Hive about this, because if it's a weapon they may be able to disarm it. If it's sentient, they may already be on speaking terms with it. Regardless, it was found in the Expanse, they claim it's full of dangers, and now we found one." Gilliam says. "Now I saw your men getting rid of the other relics. This is far more dangerous than anything I had in my lab. We need you to get them on the line, tell them we need help, and to take this thing off our hands and toss it into Hydra before it kills us all."Windsor holds the bridge of his nose pinched in his fingers, massaging the skin as he closes his eyes."I'll arrange it with Morgan. Keep it contained, no matter the cost." Windsor says. "I'll see every one of you burn ionized plasma hellfire before I'll let that thing escape into the city, sentient or otherwise. I'll update you when I have something." He twitches as his arm hits the unseen control button, closing the line before either of them can respond.cont.
>>1489703>The Void start using the Skyl as pawns>The War gets too bad and the Hives decide to send an Ark with a several dozen or so queens to this sector of space since this was where the Skyl were coming fromNo, the Skyl homeworld is in this sector whereas we're form someplace else. That must have happened after we arrived in this sector?
>>1489699>Mom and aunty lead the others into dealing with the skylYou just admitted you were wrong.>>1489552>>1489563>>1489594>>1489598The skyl chased the ark to continue the war and OQ proposes to the other queens that they free them.The skyl attacking the arkship proves the Voidgods can't be diplomanced.
>>1489709>No, the Skyl homeworld is in this sector whereas we're form someplace else. That must have happened after we arrived in this sector?The Cluster just said that the Skyl were being used as pawns as early as before the ark was launched>>1487762>We heard it before the Slave serpents burned the Diamond Halls of your elders. We heard it before the Pearl of the Queens was driven to supernova. Before the devastation of the Crawling Worlds and before the Stone Star was sent hurling into the Palace of Thought.">Thoughts race by, ancient, worn with time, passed down from distant clusters who gained the memory second hand. A vast, world spanning hive, covered in glittering structures shattering like glass as another world falls down upon the surface. Swarms of Skyl ships bombard a vast spire reaching into orbit as swarms of hive craft rip at their formations.>"And it will." The minds say. "We were chosen to drift here because it was the source of the Skyl, and the destination of the ark. We would slumber through the war, and be active enough to determine when it had concluded. It is our task to find and awaken the others when there is peace once more. We have waited too long now. Our memories fade from our minds and our strands grow tired and worn. We have all suffered from your conflict."
>>1489706>Regardless, we believe this thing is sentient, and possibly a member of a space faring species." Windsor loses the color in his face.>"Mother of god don't you dare tell me that!" He snaps.Well, if you didn't want to be learning dark truths you really shouldn't have been digging up forgotten alien artifacts after the ancient alien empire told you the artifacts could kill you all.
>>1489713I mean, not that anon isn't generally retarded, but wasn't the Ark sort of heading TOWARDS the Skyl anyway.
>>1489706Yup he just realized they done and fucked up.
>>1489716>>1489721>>1487762> "We were chosen to drift here because it was the source of the Skyl, and the destination of the ark
>>1489721Yes.The skyl continuing the attacks still proves him wrong though.
>>1489716True. And now they have living proof the expanse was occupied by other space faring race.
>>1489702"It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies.The gulf wasn't about the skyl per say causeIt doesn't seem aunty freed the skyl out of the good of her heart, seems she was planning to use them as weapons It was about the different plans mom and aunty had on what to do and that mom thought aunties plans were just plan risky and would backfire >>1489703Yeah thats right, the ark seems to have been sent to intentionally deal with the skyl homeworlds and cut off the void fodder >>1487762 >"And it will." The minds say. "We were chosen to drift here because it was the source of the Skyl, and the destination of the ark. We would slumber through the war, and be active enough to determine when it had concluded. It is our task to find and awaken the others when there is peace once more. We have waited too long now. Our memories fade from our minds and our strands grow tired and worn. We have all suffered from your conflict.">The Builder panics and asks the WQ on what the fuck to do, WQ sends unginished schematics of the Psionic Cannon>Builder builds it and tries to use it against the BQ, fails and then dies.And mom giving her the plans seem to be making the most out the shit situation, since if builder going to die why not let her test out the cannon since mom isn't going to risk herself >>1489713Your just not going to admit you were wrong are ya? and why do you keep talking about diplomacy with the void?
>>1489706Should we have the speaker they call scream psionically at maximum volume when they give their rundone of the situation? Imagine Windors reaction if we move our fleet from Gemini to Path as soon as we're informed. Don't do that second one, it's just fun to think about.
>>1489721Yep. The ark left hive space (far away and ravaged by war) to go to the Skyl homeworld (this area of space)
>>1489732"WE HAVE FUCKING TOLD YOU THIS WILL HAPPEN"
>>1489730So your going to ignore what you just said? Pretend it was never posted?
>>1489714>The Cluster just said that the Skyl were being used as pawns as early as before the ark was launchedbut if you're trying to escape / save some of your race, why would you escape into enemy territory?
>>1489732We could treat it as a more mild annoyance, to contrast with the horror the humans are suffering."Oh you woke them up early. No respect for a nice hibernation. We'll be there to get them back to bed right away."All the murders and possibility of its escape are a lesson in themselves.
>>1489706"Well." Palmers says. "I think he took it well." There is a beep in the machine by the wall, and he quickly rushes over the check it. "Fascinating." He says. "Your blood contains a kind of carbon based nano-assembler. This is easily the most advanced medical salve I've ever seen. It looks more like a biological version of the nano-constructors used to make carbon nanostructures. It's no wonder its weapons can peel through armor, that thing can grow bones of carbon nanotubes. Its claws could be a monowire filament by how advanced this looks.""But am I human?" Gilliam asks. "And is it going to kill me?""Oh, right." Palmer says. "I doubt it, though I'd like you to remain under medical observation until it dissipates. It looks like it's what is causing your injuries to heal so rapidly.""How long will it last?" Gilliam asks."I can't be certain. It looks like it is decreasing, and the assemblers aren't replicating in the sample, and they also seem to use themselves in construction, something like an advanced scab, they are their own construction material, so my best guess is that they will run out after they use themselves up repairing tissue damage." Palmer looks over to Gilliam for a moment. "Your bruises are gone already, and the scratches. I can't tell how efficient of a process it is, but my god if I can preserve a sample of this long enough to properly study it... this would leap the medical industry decades ahead. It's like the potency of a medical tank, but directly injectable.""I'm more concerned with it causing a heart attack." Gilliam says."Well I can find some blood thinners, but if this stuff wanted to it could turn your blood into rubber cement, so I don't think it would do much."Alright, it's getting late and I've got work tomorrow, so I think I'll need to call it here. Sorry we didn't seem to get too much done between the captcha hiccups. I'll try to stick around for a bit for any feedback, questions, comments and the like.
>>1489745My guess is that the ancient hives prepared some kind of extreme-self destruct that they hoped would take the Void Gods with them or at least cripple them for a long time when they sent the Ark.The Ark, in turn, was sent to the Skyl homeworlds so the Hives could wipe out the Skyl and remove the most potent of the Void's servants to follow up on the strike that prompted the exodus.
>>1489745It wasn't an escape, there were sent to cut off the skyl forces in there home-worlds, a dangerous plan now the cluster told us since the came to see the results >>1489739Pretend what? Pretend that mom and aunty didn't deal with the skyl and free them like your doing?Pretend there wasn't a period of time where the other queens could have left and be safe from the war for good? Just admit your wrong anon
>>1489703Two things wrong with that timeline.1 the Cluster blinded their psionics then decided to send the Djin Cluster, that's why we couldn't read the Things mind the first time and needed a physical connection.2 The schisim between OQ and WQ started with the skyl plan, it worsened later on.
>>1489745Have you ever read the foundation sieres maybe that was their planProbably not though
>>1489752hahaha, I like this. Act like this is just a normal thing and really drive home the baby running toward the power outlet imagery we have been pushing.
>>1489732You want to give the Valen next door more panic attacks?
>>1489754I don't give a damn about how much we get through in a thread! Many quests I follow die with hiccups 1/1000th the size and you kept going
>>1489754Thanks for running! Don't die pls.
>>1489754Thanks for running QD. Sorry for the Capcha problems and all the Anons filling the thread with their arguments.Any chance of a midweek thread? Even a short one of just a couple of hours would help fill out this chain of events. No pressure at all, of course, you've been through a ton.
>>1489754Good game, and thanks for runningIt was awesome Keep healthy
>>1489758>Pretend that mom and aunty didn't deal with the skyl and free them like your doing?Nigga are you drunk? Do you not remember what we were arguing about?
>>1489754I'm just happy I can catch these live some of the time. Keep being amazing!
>>1489754>Alright, it's getting late and I've got work tomorrow, so I think I'll need to call it hereThanks for running!Also what >>1489764 says.
>>1489763I don't want to not give them panic attacks if that's the question. Their biology includes it anyways so that makes it morally unquestionable...
>>1489768I don't know if he's ever been coherent enough to really be argued against.
>>1489763 maybe, if they don't die from it at least. Perhaps we can play it off as the Hive equivalent of that involuntary predator warning scream the Valen do
>>1489035>We were wondering... if it could gather information>weA bit late, but really?
>>1489754Thanks, this thread was great.
>>1489766I'll probably be working most of the rest of the week. Heart surgery isn't cheap after all.Oh, to the anon worried about the nutrient situation, this "day" will likely be a hell of a long one, since we still have the Djin clones, Lyle and the gang, the latest events on Gemini, and your clones on Path attacking the robotics facility.Quite a lot to do, so not immediate need to worry about imminent cost updates just yet and I'll give the option of some retroactive planet construction on the next day due to the delays caused by the mess of a system update.
>>1489782Good catch, surprised "we" didn't see that sooner. Hopefully Palmer missed it.>>1489787No worries QD. Get well soon!
>>1489754Thanks for running. That turned out fairly well, I think.Any takers for having a chat with Gilliam?The way I see this playing out is that Cluster and the Humans both call in for help, we show up, take Cluster away back to Djinn, tell the Humans that they've made another mistake, and that this is a neutral party from our ancient war.Not sure what Cluster would do, but if it decides to wake up, it'll either want to leave, or to feed. If it leaves, no problem. If it wants to feed, then we can claim Humanity is ours, and they can't claim it by nature of their covenant. >>1489782The "we" refers to himself and Palmer. "Remember when we were talking about if it could gather information?"
>>1489787Thanks for running
>>1489793>If it wants to feed, then we can claim Humanity is ours, and they can't claim it by nature of their covenant.Not saying this will happen, but what if the Cluster says it's them (the humans) or us. That the Hive can either let the Cluster feed on the humans and gain a powerful ancient ally, or force the Cluster to leave the humans alone and forever abandon any chance of Cluster support.I think it's unlikely they would make this argument; it depends on how desperate and hungry they are, but it's a possibility.
>>1489801I'm also wondering how different the larger cluster's thinking will be with the new information.Since, at least based on what we got shown here, it's gonna be the difference between talking with a single disconnected instance of Theseus vs. all of Zero One.And, of course, the fact that it's waking up on Djin regardless of what we do and there's still Union citizens there. Although I am assuming there's still any left ofc.
"You have found something in the Expance, brought it in and then it ate your lab. This is a third time that happened. The Hive now doubts whether Union Humans are capable of learning."
>>1489801Let them eat scavengers
>>1489801It's simple; humanity's role is crucial to our plans in the war, therefore they can't interfere overmuch with humanity without violating their covenant with us.>>1489844"The Hive is amazed that your species has progressed so far with such limited pattern recognition."
So if the Cluster is like Theseus if he was biological and had access to psionics, I wonder how Theseus would pull off becoming a psionic race (if there wasn't the threat of the void). Start by building some sort of Tachyon generator?
it strikes me that the hive could do more to make theseus look like a good guy to the unionbasically we could indirectly imply that theseus is the reason the hive is cordial towards humanity instead of uncaring or belligerent, and since we actually did have cordial relations with theseus first it isn't actually a lie
>>1489990We have launched an invasion fleet (small scouting fleet) against them and demanded half their territory. That isn't exactly cordial compared with our other first contacts.
>>1489754I can't believe I went to bed last night when there was only one post left.Dammit.
>>1489970Theseus would need to start to study psionics/tachyons and develop some way to interact with them. I'm sure he COULD do that, but I feel like we've scared him away from psionics for the time being.That said, Theseus (and Heretic) are interesting outsiders to this war, since they are completely non-biological and wouldn't even be considered "alive" by any of the three primordial races. Cluster can't eat it, Hive can't control it, and Void doesn't notice it.If Theseus branches out into psionics, I'm not sure if that would qualify him for being noticed by the Void. There's still more than a bit of mystery about what special status DNA (or being "true life") grants an organism, and if Void even has any DNA or is considered "alive."
In other thoughts, what do you guys think of actually giving a more in-depth briefing to the security council? Tell them a bit more about why the Union is in deep dookie and how they got there, things we wouldn't tell the human population. Like: fucking around with the void crystals has attracted the attention of the Void, who are the real enemy, and who have enslaved both the Skyl, the Ceph, and the Black Queen. This is why the Ceph raid you: because you touch their shit. Your proximity to the Skyl homeworld also means you are in proximity to the location of the Hive Ark and the Cluster mass that was sent to this sector. Your military technology and supply pipeline is woefully insufficient to fight meaningfully in this conflict, because your captains and ships take years to replace. Unlike most other factions, we don't want to enslave you or eat you, so just stop pretending you're the biggest guys around here because all you're doing is causing problems for us. Most of the other races-older-than-you wouldn't even give you the light of day.
>>1490392That's too much info. If it's a bit more vague, then ok.
>>1490392>Unlike the other factions we don't want to enslave or eat you. We only want to adopt and improve you Telling them how outmatched they are is a double edged sword. They may conclude that the only possible path to self-determination amid all these superpowers fighting around them is to reverse engineer the weapons of the superpowers as quickly as possible.I think you're telling them a bit too much information, but we can still share more with them. Maybe inform them that their experiments have attracted the attention of the great enemy and that if they don't want even more ancient horrors popping up throughout their civilization they need to leave all that shit alone.
>>1490120it is absolutely cordial, but not quite friendly, which is why i chose that word
>>1490539No it isn't. Cordial is another way of saying friendly and no there isn't much we can do to make him look friendly to anyone since he is a fucking computer.
>>1490539Cordial literally means "warm and friendly"
>>1490614okay, fine, but you know what i meant now anyway>>1490601that makes zero sense, if a mind raping starfish whale can be friendly then so can a computer, all that matters is they see he's on their side
>>1490684Mind raping starfish whales don't exist in setting.
>>1490793He's talking about the Valen
>>1490798Yes and what about that description looks like Valen?
>>1490809The mind-reading, whale sized, multiple limbs part. That being said: the hive is much scarier than the Valen are, and are much better at mind rape.
>>1490823Wrong. Imagine Bowser from the Mario with a flower with toothy petals for a head and you have the closest representation of a Valen that exists.
>>1490825which is the point, as the hive is scary, humanity thinking theseus was instrumental in making the hive not go to war with them would endear him to them>>1490837this is the third time you try to change the subject to something irrelevant
>>1490825I could replace that whale with dinosaur real easily anon.
>>1490841The point is trying to do to much is determental. The most we could do is offer to put a gun to his head so he won't try anything.
>>1490855why do you think so? do you have a reason to believe proof of theseus doing humanity a massive, potentially species saving favor will not make them budge even a little bit?
I mean, I'm not saying it would do everything for him, but it would go a long way. While many people wouldn't be swayed, many would definitely reexamine their beliefs about theseus.And humanity isn't retarded, they can easily see that the hive could wipe them out if it wanted - a lot of them may be wondering why the hive hasn't done so, and that fact can be exploited here. Not by outright claims, but by implying things, if you're worried of outright support backfiring.
>>1490869Because doing too much is suspicious. Just drop some favorable compliments about him, promise to keep him in line, and that's left is for the people themselves to actually reach out and make contact. From there it's on Theseus whether he makes it or breaks it.
>>1490901and why do you think this is doing too much? like i said, if you're worried about it backfiring, you can do it via implications, so nobody actually thinks we're trying to ingratiate him to themin fact, promises to keep him in line have the problem you're talking about here much more than saying he stood up for them, so i find it odd you'd argue in favor of such a thing after expressing views against itmeanwhile >Just drop some favorable compliments about himthis is what my idea actually is you know>and that's left is for the people themselves to actually reach out and make contactand this is what it would end up as in any casei have a feeling you're arguing against me just because you want to argue about something... which is fine, we are exploring ideas here, but try to hold your own ideas to the same standards you hold mine please
>>1490913Basically we've already done enough of that with the interview.
>>1490923That's another thing to add to the (long) list of things to do "today" - see how people respond to the interview being aired.
>>1490923like I said, we don't need to spell it out, we just imply itimplying theseus put in a good word for us is a hell of a lot less suspicious than saying the hive is appointing itself as humanity's nanny and protecting them from the mean AI for no profit of its own
>>1489754>captcha hiccupsYES FELLOW HUMAN, THESE CAPTCHAS SURE ARE PESKY
>>1490939>Implying keeping our allies in line is the same as being a nanny to humanitySaying we'll fuck up the shit of anyone who takes hostile actions toward the other is bound to be a little more reassuring. And if they wonder what's in it for us we could say we are planning to get his FTL from him after this.
>>1490982>Saying we'll fuck up the shit of anyone who takes hostile actions toward the other is bound to be a little more reassuring.no it isn't, that's what's really suspicious and likely that attitude in general is the reason why they're going so crazy right now, since they're wondering why the fuck we're being friendly to them for no reason, and hence disbelieving we're actually friendly at allgiving them a plausible explanation for friendliness that also puts theseus into a good light kills two birds with one stone
>>1491006But Anon, from the humans perspective we're just showing up with overwhelming force, demanding all their shit, and implicitly threatening to blow them to kingdom come if they refuse. That really isn't us being nice and friendly. Even if we explain ourselves as being caring and this taking over is really us trying to prevent human self-destruction most will be highly suspicious of that claim at best. Saying that the only reason we didn't kill them all is because of advice from what they see as an insane AI will do little to make them trust us more, and will not make them that much more friendly towards Theseus because we space bugs could easily be lying about that.
>>1491021actually NOT blowing them up is definitely preferable for them, and saying that THAT was what theseus talked us into serves the exact same purpose, so it doesn't matter how you turn it>Saying that the only reason we didn't kill them all is because of advice from what they see as an insane AI will do little to make them trust us moreand yet they will feel they have a better understanding of us, which accomplishes more or less the same thing - they're less afraid of us, since they think they know more of our motives now>and will not make them that much more friendly towards Theseus because we space bugs could easily be lying about that.sure, but that's where human nature comes in, and like i said before, even if many are sceptical many would reexamine what they think of theseus in light of such a revelation which is all good, everything that happens is a net gain
>>1491032You're an idiot if you think they will take anything we say at face and not assume we have horrible hidden intentions behind our actions.
>>1491058while you're partially right, it again boils down to some being sceptical and some reading into itbut what you're saying here is that it's completely pointless to talk to them at all, which means you shouldn't even be in this conversation
>>1491062It's not pointless to talk at all, but we shouldn't attribute all our "good" actions (or even lack of bad actions) to Theseus. That will just increase paranoia and distrust of both of us.
>>1491062So you agree there is nothing more we can do to improve Theseus's image until we fix ours.
>>1491076>It's not pointless to talk at allno, according to what he said it is pointless to talk about it here in the thread, since going by it nothing we say will have any positive effect, hence diplomacy with humans is meaningless>but we shouldn't attribute all our "good" actions (or even lack of bad actions) to Theseus.who said anything about *all* our actions? who said anything about directly attributing anything to him?what I'm saying we should do is imply that the reason why we stopped and checked out if humanity might be worth not bulldozing over can be attributed to theseus - not even outright stating it>That will just increase paranoia and distrust of both of us.explain
>>1491088>explainRight now the opinion of the Hive is very low in the Union specifically because we have threatened them and they know very little about what we want and how we operate. The interview will help with that, but it will not help so much that humans can be expected to readily believe what we say.If we say the only reason we didn't destroy them is because of Theseus they will believe one of the following two options.1. We didn't destroy them because we were persuaded not to be an omnicidal AI. This suggests that we are genocidal creatures by nature that cannot be trusted at all. Moreover, the fact that we are now viewed as genocidal drags Theseus's name down by association with us and makes it appear that the reason we haven't attacked yet is due to some mutual extermination plot concocted by the Theseus and the Hive against the Union.2. The Hive is lying about Theseus being the reason we didn't attack. This makes them trust us even less than they already do, and raises a whole host of other questions. For example, they may start wondering if we didn't attack because we're secretly weak. Or maybe we're just trying to steal any weapons (the artifacts) that could actually harm us in preparation for a full invasion later. We don't want the Union asking those kinds of questions.Until we improve our relationship with the Union we can talk about Theseus as a nice enough guy to work with, but we should not try to elevate him on a pedestal as the best possible guy in the Universe and singlehanded savior of mankind when they believe he is insane and omnicidal. That's just too much wiplash and the humans will reject our arguments.
>>1491174>they know very little about what we want and how we operategiving them some insight into our reasoning and motivations can only help that, no reason to not get another advantage along with it>If we say the only reason we didn't destroy them is because of Theseus they will believe one of the following two options.>onlywhy do you do this, for fucks sake>1. We didn't destroy them because we were persuaded not to be an omnicidal AI. This suggests that we are genocidal creatures by nature that cannot be trusted at all. Moreover, the fact that we are now viewed as genocidal drags Theseus's name down by association with us and makes it appear that the reason we haven't attacked yet is due to some mutual extermination plot concocted by the Theseus and the Hive against the Union.>2. The Hive is lying about Theseus being the reason we didn't attack. This makes them trust us even less than they already do, and raises a whole host of other questions. For example, they may start wondering if we didn't attack because we're secretly weak. Or maybe we're just trying to steal any weapons (the artifacts) that could actually harm us in preparation for a full invasion later. We don't want the Union asking those kinds of questions.and 3., we wouldn't have destroyed them but would have pursued our goals a lot more aggressively (the stuff in the expanse) without someone we respected vouching for them and telling us diplomacy will suffice (theseus)not knowing or caring that someone would be able to talk to you strikes me as the defaul state of affairs for first contact between spacefaring species, in fact one as peaceful as the contact between the hive and humanity where only a few tunnels got blown up as far as they know would be exceedingly rare>elevate him on a pedestalill say it for the probably twentieth time now, im talking about *implying* he helped them, not *telling* them he's awesome
>>1491379Your problem is that you're assuming human politicians will pick 3 because you like it, instead of the option 1 or 2 that they can SPIN with their constituents.Seriously.
"Life is worth protecting. Even Unity agrees that we must dedicate significant effort to conversation."
>>1491524for the fourth time, no, im telling you they will pick all three options and probably seven additional ones that we haven't even thought ofthe point is to get them to think about this more, and add credibility to the option we want in an oblique way
>>1491832That just sounds flat out retarded.
>>1491869Why?>>1491556 Made it sound good enough to me.
>>1491832Jesus, you can't even tell I'm not that guy. Anyhow I disagree with your assessment that politicians aren't -already- thinking about it. Not everyone is as slow on the uptake as you.All you'll do is force them to make public statements that make it more difficult to get the public in favor of us.>>1491869 Raises a valid concern.
>>1491884 A key difference is that >>1491556 doesn't have the unsubtle implication that the Hive was seriously considering wiping out humans.
>>1491884We don't have any actual evidence that's true. Hell we are waging genocide against the Scavengers.
>>1491886> Anyhow I disagree with your assessment that politicians aren't -already- thinking about it.I never said that they aren't, or even involved politicians specifically here at all, in fact I don't know why you're doing that right now>Raises a valid concern.I didn't see any concerns there, just a shitpost>>1491903oh go fuck yourself, this is one of the most amazing strawmen I have ever seenwhat that dude wrote up was exactly the sort of thing I've been rooting for from the start, so it's nice to see you actually agree with me and are just acting like an ass because you want to>>1491912that WHAT is true? what are you even talking about?
>>1491832Except the counterpoint that's being made is that due to the Union's natural inclinations toward less charitable interpretations, the diplomatic advantage this would confer is little to none, while taking that approach would open up other possible interpretations that might in fact damage our PR with the Union.In other words, the projected benefits to hinting that Theseus was a major factor in convincing us to work with the union are very low, while the potential for them to misinterpret the implications ("they were just going to wipe us out before that?") is very real and potentially troublesome.Let's just go with >>1491556 and avoid hinting at anything implying a change of heart concerning the Union.
>>1491923Well it is technically a genocide. We're actively trying to kill all of them and not even defensively.
>>1491923>You're making a statement that gives implications that you may not intend or find beneficial.>REEEEEEEE STRAWMAAAANShitposts can still be right, and you're not proving >>1491869 wrong.>>1491936 gets it.
>>1491936>taking that approach would open up other possible interpretations that might in fact damage our PR with the Union.you could say the same thing about absolutely everything we've done until nowbasically I don't see any reason to come to the conclusions you have>("they were just going to wipe us out before that?")crackpots always come up with that sort of thing, they already are doing it in fact so this changes nothing>Let's just go with >>1491556 and avoid hinting at anything implying a change of heart concerning the Union.agreed, even though as far as I see that DOES imply a change of heart in about the extent I intended - just enough to point out something was going on that theseus helped them with, not enough to draw wild conclusions from
>>1491961when you start trying to make sense let me know>>1491963>person that agrees with me about the point gets itokay
>>1491980Oh, I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where you actually supported your assertions with logic and observations on how human politicians have tried to twist our words in the past.It's almost like you haven't read the quest or have forgotten our first diplomatic conferences.
>>1492000it doesn't matter what politicians do, it's about the general attitudes towards theseuswhen you tell me that they have done so in the past it's like you're telling me that fire is warm... no duh, really?everything can be twisted, this is normal, which you should know if you know anything about life at all seeing how the union is basically just real world politics transplanted into a different setting
>>1491965>conclusionsThe point is that you are willfully ignoring the comparative risk/reward of doing so.There is mild-moderate risk, and little reward compared to a more measured approach that reaps similar rewards with little-no risk.>crackpotsIt'll be more than just the crackpots thinking it if we make an unfortunate implication. The words of those in power are normally weighed very carefully to avoid such risks.>change of heartNot really; this way implies that we already agreed with Theseus about it, and thereby avoids the specter of "what did they think of us *before* meeting Unity?".
The idea that we believe that "life is worth protecting" is kind of an empty statement in general especially when we are clearly okay with waging genocide but trying to state that Theseus is the reason we haven't genocide the Union is worse.
>>1492025upon thinking of it further, i think a change of heart would send a stronger positive message, since it does show that we are more committed to liking them>>1492031why is it worse?
>>1492019So..your argument is that the politicians have no influence on the people?Man, you really sound like a teen trying to sound more worldly than they truly are.>>1492034>Why is it worse?....Seriously? That was already fucking explained to you. It's worse because it has the implication that we considered genocide of the human species as an option. Even if it's not intended as a thinly veiled threat, it can be interpreted as one and used as reason for the Union to start trying to secretly poke at the Crystals again to keep the genocidal insect monsters at bay.You're either literally retarded, or deliberately trolling and shitting up the quest. Fuck off.
>>1492051>So..your argument is that the politicians have no influence on the people?so... your argument is that politicians will all think the exact same thing for no reason? and you call me a teenager>It's worse because it has the implication that we considered genocide of the human species as an option.except this is another strawmanwhat i named as an option was taking the dangerous artifacts in the expanse by force, this has nothing to do with genociding anyoneyou really are grasping at anything just to create an argument, aren't you
>>1492057>For no reasonOr...maybe to get votes and look like they're defending their constituents against the hiver menace?Yes, I call you a teenager, though it looks increasingly like I'm giving you too much credit. You really struggle with the concept of cause and effect.And it's not another strawman. Strawman doesn't mean any argument you disagree with. I was not misrepresenting your argument. I never said YOU meant it as a threat of genocide. I've repeated that at length. My point is that a politician would spin it as a veiled threat and use it to paint us as genocidal.You fucking idiot.
>>1492078>Or...maybe to get votes and look like they're defending their constituents against the hiver menace?oh, so you're ignoring everything we've learned about the union political landscape, okay>My point is that a politician would spin it as a veiled threat and use it to paint us as genocidal.they're already doing that, it makes no fucking difference, any and all things related to the artifact incidents, over which the union population is already giving their leaders hell over, could not be spun that wayyou fucking child
>>1492103>They're already doing that!>So what's wrong with giving them some evidence to work with?What the fuck is...goddamnit, I'm being trolled by an underage b&.
>>1492031>waging genocideI'm pretty sure that if they stopped and tried to sue for peace with us, we'd try to diplomance them. As it is, it's just a war with a common enemy of the Commonwealth.>>1492057>deliberately ignoring the nuances in the opposing argumentsStop that.And we want to avoid the implication that exterminating them was ever a serious consideration, which claiming Theseus as a major factor in changing our outlook on the would imply.>they're already doing thatThat's why we don't want to encourage it further with careless remarks.
>>1492110Just stop. He's either an idiot or deliberately trying to troll at this point.
>>1492109doing it as i said would give them no evidence to work with, as a very large part of the union would feel our response would have been justified>>1492110why should i stop when he isn't even reading the main threads of mine?>which claiming Theseus as a major factor in changing our outlook on the would imply.i don't see how explaining that we didn't go to a low scale war over artifacts brings genocide to the table at all, and at this point I think you're just caught up in the same strawman the other guy has been pulling out of his ass i mean, seriously, why would anyone bring up genocide in a serious context in the first place? where did this idiotic idea even come from?
>>1492117Nah, he's not a troll, just somebody too proud to accept that he was wrong.
>>1492139if I was wrong then so were you, as we actually agreed over the central point, so this is pretty retarded of yougod having IDs is good sometimes, you can spot shitheads acting shitty
>>1492149Agreed shithead :^)
>>1491556This is pretty good and fairly in line with the hive ethos so far (we try to preserve life). I can support this.
Is anyone else really worried about the planned attack on the Smith facility? It seems like a highly risky option with low probable reward. Anything we could gain from the operation is either of very low value or would be a double edged sword. If we succeed perfectly in the operation we will gain influence in a weak terrorist cell (of negligible value), we gain Smith technology to study, and we will reveal Smiths in an irrefutable public way. Ignoring the fact that the Union spin machine will be able to cast a lot of doubt on any evidence of Smiths that is “revealed”, such evidence would throw the Union into turmoil. While it won’t dissolve the Union altogether (due to the massive threat of the Hive their need for collective security is stronger than ever), it could still throw the election. Instead of getting to deal with Killinger (a known corrupt entity we have blackmail material on and can manipulate), we could have to deal with a potential Void cultist taking his place. And while Smith tech is valuable, we will be limited in what, if any, tech our agents can escape with. So the rewards of even a flawless victory are relatively low. Now let’s look at the risks. This is possibly the highest security facility in the Union. The forces we can expect to be guarding it will include drop-troopers and Smiths. The facility will be also on high-alert due to recent events and will be informed Hive forces are active elsewhere on the planet (recovering the Cluster). It will be difficult for us to even get flies into the area undetected. Our own forces lack high-grade armor, heavy weapons, or effective backup. We are limited to whatever equipment the dozen or so clones have with them and what the terrorists can provide. The clones cybernetics are fairly obviously alien in origin if they are damaged and caught on camera. If we provide Hive weaponry the alien nature of the terrorist’s support will become even more apparent. Our intelligence for this operation is at best “unreliable.” We know this terrorist cell has been compromised as the Union was aware of the attempt to rescue Lee before it had taken place. It is completely possible this facility is just doing anti-AI research, is not involved with Smiths, and that this whole attack is actually a setup. It is also possible this extremist group is planning on our agents being found out as a massive war between aliens and the Union would be a highly effective way to destroy the Union. There is a very high risk that when this is over the headlines will read: “Hive Menace Colludes with Terrorists to Attack Critical A.I. Defense Facility.” And that’s before the Union spin team gets to work. Even if our agents are not revealed (unlikely) the fact the Hive had ships come down on the planet moments before the attack is extremely suspicious. We have a lot to lose and relatively little to gain in this operation.
>>1494484 Lyle & co fully hived out barely won against one Smith and one drop trooper. The only way this can be successful is 100% up to the dice and I don't see how terrorist connections is worth the hassle. Just worm the guys if we want Intel and aid. Revealing Smiths existence is Judy confirming what everyone already knows. It'll have less impact then what WikiLeaks have in the real world.
>>1494655Maybe not. We could blackmail the government if we just took a few thousand pictures of the inside of the facility, maybe hack into their computer systems and copy all of their documents.
>>1494484The reward is that the Union becomes incapable of deploying Smiths (by-and-large) from here on out. This deprives them of their primary extreme-stress BlackOps option, which is generally good for us.I still kind of wonder what they were trying to do with the Smith they sent after us in the first place. Do you think it would've tried to kill us if it'd gotten to the throne room?
>>1494684Capture mission. QD mention that in one of the space civ games that you could capture one of the alien bug alien and even have it become your leader.
>>1494691That makes a lot of sense. A forthright attempt to turn us into slave labor.
So then why are we doing the raid at all if it's so bad?
>>1494696It would have fallen apart when the Black Queen attacked.
>>1494681The terrorists would want to use any evidence they collect to bring down the Union, not to blackmail it. We would have to take out the terrorists ourselves to have the blackmail material not go public.Also, we already have tons of blackmail material on the government and haven't used any of it. Additionally, the Union could always claim the pictures are fabricated and any physical evidence or schematics created by Theseus. Plus, to even use this blackmail material we have to acknowledge that we funded a terrorist group's attack on the facility in the first place.>>1494684That's a good point. The Union losing most of their Smiths would be a big boost to us. The thing is, we have not confirmed reliably that this facility even makes Smiths. Even if it was definitely known to be the smith facility, it is way, way too well defended for our Clones to destroy it unless we give extensive and obvious Hive support.>>1494691That sounds pretty accurate to me. Damn, now I'm even more pissed off at the Union.
>>1494703We agreed because it was sold as Kent's "life's work" and they only needed a "little extra firepower" to get in and out. Kent was vague on the details and we went ahead with agreeing. I think with time we've come to realize just how risky this operation is. Hopefully when Kent can go into his plan in detail he can calm our fears, but I doubt it.>>1494706I don't think that Smith ever had much chance of reaching the Queen. It required a critical fail from us for the Smith to breach our outer defenses and shortly thereafter it was immolated by a point blank artillery blast. If it ever reached the Queens chambers it would have to fight through a tremendous level of firepower to "capture" her even back in those young days.
>>1494708We have flies and a egg layer in Path we can use the flies to make our on scout mission.
>>1494937There is a non-zero chance our flies will be detected. Ordinarily I would say it's a long shot, but if they have airtight scanners at all the entrances and have Smiths specifically ordered to watch for signs of alien activity we could have a problem.
>>1494708If the facility does not make the Smiths then it won't have anything above corporate defenses and security personnel.If the facility does make the Smiths (which I think is more likely) then Mr. Terrorist has a plan for destroying it and all our hybrids have to do is execute the plan. Barring that as long as we can get a Theseus instance in there we should be able to make a little bit of headway (though it'll definitely be interesting to see how he does in the HEART of AAII territory). This is, basically, exactly the sort of thing our hybrids have always been intended for too. Worst-case we lose bunch of hybrids in a futile assault (I'm going to assume that we make them with all the standard-issue self destructs that all our other shit has). Non-worst case we have a chance at crippling Union Black Ops, acquiring extensive information on the Smiths,and any number of other goodies.
>>1495373>If the facility does not make the Smiths then it won't have anything above corporate defenses and security personnel.You're assuming the facility isn't doing any other kinds of sensitive research and that the Union does not know we are coming.This cell is compromised. The Union knew about their attempt to free Lee ahead of time. They may well know we are coming here.The worst case scenario is not that we blow the clones. Worst case scenario is the Union gets proof we are sponsoring terrorists attacking a critical military facility while we are pretending to be friendly in the other side of the city. It could lead to a complete breakdown in what little trust there is and could spark an actual shooting war.
>>1495413If our clones can self-destruct in their entirety (like most of our shit can) then how will the Union get proof we're sponsoring terrorists? They're all more than willing to commit gruesome, acid-explosive suicide for Mother.
>>1495434Catching it on tape?
>>1495434Because if they get video of attackers using obviously biological augmentations and test our hybrid DNA blood splatters to find out they aren't human the Union is plenty capable of putting the pieces together.
>>1495585>>1495572Aah, yes. It's a convincing headline, so much so it almost sounds like a tabloid headline."Heavily armed group of terrorists with vaguely biological looking augmetics assault top-secret facility! Is the Hive involved??"I feel like you're blowing the risk/reward ratio out of proportion here, and assuming failure is far more likely than it is.
>>1496569>I feel like you're blowing the risk/reward ratio out of proportion here, and assuming failure is far more likely than it is.Hive Queen Quest in a nutshell
>>1496569Please reread >>1495585I'm not that concerned about video evidence, but any sort of blood or blown apart clone splatter that can get tested is going to implicate the Hive.
>>1496577All quests actually. For some reason the sort of person attracted to questing is hypercautious. Even though the dice heavily favor good results in 90% of quests (including this one) because of the roll 3 times system, and the fact that the quest ends when the QM wants it to end, no matter if we're doing great or terribly.
>>1496569Nah, he makes a good point.This goes back to the point that our blood is extremely identifiable; if these guys are injured and the assault ends in anything but the facility blowing up, then there will be iron clad evidence left behind that the Hive was involved.
>>1496649If you are so worried our hybrids will leave blood evidence we can always make then mutate to normal humans and implant spine palms on then. We are able to reverve the mutation we cause in the hibrids,si in case they bleed their blood will be no different then of a normal human.
>>1496704Honestly that's probably a good idea. If we can retroactively turn our hybrids into replicants with parasites it becomes much harder to "prove" hive involvement.
>>1496776We have flies and a small egg layer. We can either mutate the flies into spine palms or lay some. If i'm not mistaken the reverse mutation takes a full day to be complete. And about gear we can always buy some with local weapon dealers or even start parasiting some so we can create a secure spy network in path.
>>1496936Sounds doable. Theseus could probably point us towards some weapons dealers on Path and we likely have enough credits banked at this point to buy some "good" (for humans) equipment. Since the terrorist leader gave us a few days to get ready before the strike we can probably handwave that these were our clones actions during that time.The biggest danger I see is that if our clones are under observation by the terrorist cell they will notice some strange things when we transition from hybrid to replicant such as the gorging on food that is unusual for humans. But we have our own ways to avoid being spotted and the risk the terrorists see some unusual behavior is far better than the risk of hybrid blood/biomass being recovered from the raid.
>>1496983>The biggest danger I see is that if our clones are under observation by the terrorist cellWith our flies checking the perimeter i doubt any human would be able to spy on our children. And if we are spied we can always adopt that person so we get a mole inside the terrorist cell.But if everything fail we can always say that the augments our hybrids is the reason for their increased appetite
>>1496776Well, with memory construction as it us we could drive a regular unmodded clone to be a suicide bomber. Mix in the various mercenary memories, a dash of Lyle, any sort of depressive memories from the mercs or hope crew, and then heap on the conspiracy theories from Lees mind and various newscasts weve watched. Socially Engineered Radicals.
>>1498510We don't need human banelings.
Totally unrelated, but I felt the need to post this after seeing itzoanthropes when? Seeing recent advances with psionics makes me hope that people can design viable drone designs that throws fireballs and use telekinesis when the time comes.
>>1499335If we hadn't fail our first research we would be able to throw fireballs with our minds. Also we would need to unlock Psionic Conduction so we can go Palpatine on our enemies.
>>1499369We already have lightsabers, telekinesis/the Vader force choke, and predictive algorithms at least as good as force sensitivity...HQQ turns into Star Wars Quest when?
>>1499398When we get around to making worldships
>>1499335They would need to be Medium Relays or have the psionic implant that Elizabeth has.The former, being part of the Hive network, is weak to psi-blocking aura (the thing Heretic used against us when it thought we were a servile species). The latter, I'm actually not sure if it's weak to this kind of attack. Elizabeth seemed more or less OK when the Void was breaking out of no-space.
>>1500238I believe QD said Elizabeth's abilities are at least as good as the Queen's personal relay and is possibly even more advanced in nature. If we study Elizabeth's relay more it could be possible to upgrade drones in the field with relays that are less susceptible to various psi based attacks. and and perhaps eventually improve the Queen's personal relay too.
>>1500293>If we study Elizabeth's relay more it could be possible to upgrade drones in the field with relays that are less susceptible to various psi based attacksActually we won't get anything else from it. We already got everything it had to offer from the crit to study it with crystal fractals and the implant.
>>1499410BIGGERBETTERGRANDERWE SHALL BUILD GLORIOUS SHIPS IN THE NAME OF MOTHER WHICH ECLIPSE ENTIRE WORLDS
>>1502620>MOTHER WHICH ECLIPSE ENTIRE WORLDSDid you just call the queen fat?
>>1500238We can actually implant a white crystal relay on our drones, that will counter psionic jamming.
>>1503865Actually we can't because the crystal fractals do the same thing, are cheaper, and are included by default.
I just realized, the Cluster fragment we talked to said they were following the ark. However, the ice it was frozen in predates the ark's landing by at least several thousand years. Something doesn't quite add up here. It may just be a continuity error, but it's also possible we are not being told the whole story here. The only way I can see the Cluster's story as being true is if it either was never unfrozen when the Cluster ship landed, or if the whole planet (or a significant part of it) is a cluster construct.
>>1503896No they don't, they only provide a boost if i recall correctly, while White crystals can do>A strange mixture of organic components assembled into a crystalline matrix, the strange white crystals not only can serve as a kind of memory storage device, but also as a component in a psionic relay. When incorporated into a drone, it replaces the portion of the brain maintaining the psionic link to the queen and serves as a mixture of fuse and signal booster, allowing the relay to broadcast to drones suffering from psionic jamming, and can protect itself from jamming by cutting off its ability to receive thoughts.>Thread 37If implanted in a drone, it can severely reduce the effects of jamming.
>>1502787Mother has the FATTEST abdomen. Let none doubt her gloriously prodigious fertility.
>>1506490Mother is healthy sized. Unlike that skinny bitch the Obsidian Queen - giving into those stupid unrealistic standards of the Void Gods. We look like a True Queen should look.
Quick question, why aren't we mentioning the OQ spores? They're going to find out about the creep.
>>1511813Which "they"? We're in the middle of a joint research project with Theseus into the spores and creep, aren't we?
>>1511857I posted that in the wrong thread, sorry.