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The valley glows with the light of fields of fire diffused in the clouds of ash rising into the sky. Alien flora creak and snap into cinders, their branches held aloft by outspread webbing of charred and boiling mattes of hive flesh as chitinous pustules pop like kernels of some alien fruit between the thin, wispy leaves. Your drones report their concern as their efforts of salvage progress at an ever slower rate day after day, the corpse of the crashed Hive ship spread across the valley melting like a mountain of black ice left in the sun. Viscous coo seeps from its hull, permeating the ground and sending thin, hairlike roots through the soil and strangling the native flora from within with a crisscrossing web of parasitic fibers. Efforts to collect samples have largely met with failure, loosing several drones to the rapid and aggressive parasitic nano-virus which continues to attempt to assemble some manner of hive structure out of the remains of the derelict ship.

Your warriors continue to burn it out, uprooting forests and diverting rivers as your forces maintain their quarantine perimeter, if only just. The land beneath the hull fragments are the worst by far, with thick roots of neural linked organic nano-constructors reaching many meters into the soil through rock and granite, devouring all forms of nutrients and secreting toxic waste as it grows. Much of the crash site has been reduced to glass, the glass then uprooted only to find buried tumors of hive infrastructure remaining beneath. A patrol of phantom warriors look on from a distant ridge line with concern, their forms a blur of psionic distortion as they watch your drones slowly drive back the infestation seeping from the rotting starship.

Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!

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GAS THE SQUIDS
NUKE THE WHALES
STAB THE MONKEYS
TRUST NOTHING
THE VOID IS WATCHING
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>>1394302
Best time of the week coming through.

>Efforts to collect samples have largely met with failure, loosing several drones to the rapid and aggressive parasitic nano-virus which continues to attempt to assemble some manner of hive structure out of the remains of the derelict ship.

This is both interesting and concerning. I wonder if we can program our own creep to start auto-building structures soon...

What a lovely preview of what will shortly be happening on Path.
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>>1394302
QD don't we have hard light armor projectors? Why not try those?
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>>1394302
Shit OQ's creep is some scary shit...and Path will have to deal with it shortly...
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>>1394323
>>1394317
We have a simple counter to it anons. Disassembler warheads.
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>>1394317
>interesting and concerning
It's neither, it's perfectly expected. Our spores already do that. We unlocked it long ago.
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>>1394330
That is fine in other planets. Also it seems the Phantoms will need to move from their world for a time if we plan to use one of those on their own planet.


We should stop is as soin as we can before OQ find the surviving queen and the Phantons.
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>>1394321
They won't project underground where the spread is really occurring, will they?

Useful for containing a sample safely, though, yeah.
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>>1394342
Actually disassembler warhead have a spread limit built in. They don't kill everything on a planet.
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Quick question QD, why a point 2 thread?
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>>1394360
We didnt finish the turn last thread
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>>1394355
Can't we terraform the planet? I bet a ecological reboot of the entire bio-sphere might help getting read of it.


I was thinking in something like detonating the warhead inside the planets core.
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>>1394355
That's correct.

While we can handle the containment for now, I'm interested in seeing how the (formerly) Barren Queen deals with this. We agreed it's her planet, after all, and it'd be interesting to see her standard "anti-creep" protocol. We can also offer disassembler warheads for her to use along with the other tech at our disposal. We have no real need to keep our tech secret here.
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>>1394370
Oh I thought didn't understand the situation and how our technology affects it, I didn't realize you were just stupid.
Carry on.
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OH FUCK I'M LATE!
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>>1394402
Woe you are so wise anon i understood everything from your so well written and thought out post.
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>>1394302
Sirens echo through the cramped halls of the small urban hive of subsidised housing and corporate worker condominiums as flashing rope lights run along the floors towards either escape pods or emergency bunkers. Humans run every which way, regardless of the direction of the lights, some fighting while others flee with piles of goods pilfered from ransacked stores. Taidaren weave between them like fish swimming through a rushing current as they slip in behind every human that breaks a window or kicks in a door, leaving with boxes of seemingly useless items and layers of poorly fitting human tailored clothes bundled up over them haphazardly. Ships flee the docking bays of Bedrock with frightening haste as you see several freighters ripping the docking clamps of their port clean from their anchors, other, less durable ships shearing off chunks of their hulls as others are let loose from their clamps only to skim the wall of the docking bay on their way out, grinding against the shields of nearby ships and smashing away the tug drones like flies.

A human voice comes over an open radio channel, broadcasts from a laser comm directly to your nearby patrol fleet. The voice shakes with unease, as if reading from a script he no longer believes.

"Unidentified fleet, state your business! this is Union territory."

"The Hive has already told you. You are behaving in an abnormal manner. Please return to typical behavior until further notice."

cont.

>>1394321
That is what is currently working best as hard light projectors begin making their way to the scene.
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Daily reminder


>Raid OQ
>Read the locked memories of that thinker.
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.
>Send a diplomacy team to earth.
>Build that new FTL prediction building.
>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
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>>1394427
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
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>>1394429
support
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>>1394423
The disassemblers can kill all the creep without destroying the biosphere.
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>>1394439
supporting
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>>1394427
That's some serious panic from a small peaceful scout fleet.

>>1394439
I agree disassemblers is probably the best anti-creep weapon (at least when the creep is contained). However, we should check with the Barren Queen before deploying any weapons on what is "technically" her planet.
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>>1394447
supporting more
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>>1394447
We're already deploying weapons anon.
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>>1394456
i did not know that?
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>>1394459
We're not deploying warhead yet but we deploying an army to deal with it.
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You know what would be a good idea for a weapon against OQ creep? Radiation.
We know of a planet in The Red Giant system near the commonwealth that's so irradiated it's harmful even to us, so why don't we research how much irradiation there is and make a weapon out of it?
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>>1394471
good idea
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>>1394471
DO YOU FUCKING READ?
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>>1394456
By deploying weapons I meant anything new and relatively untested. So deploying disassembler warheads would be something we'd need to check on vs our conventional anti-creep containment procedures which already have the Barren Queen's implied support.
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>>1394479
No, i just got here.
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>>1394484
Warhead would probably be pretty bad to use. Now many smaller versions like stinger missile sized or carpet bombing with disassembler grenades might work if we tweak them to go after only Hive creep
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You guys need to chill on the creep thing, just clear it the long and steady way since we got this one in control

No need to nuke it or use the grey goo on it
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>>1394484
Disassembler are far from new and they'd be only untested on the battlefield.
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>>1394427
Coil shrieks in a vibrant yellow-beige polkadotted burst with swirling lines of vibrant orange. His implant fails to translate it, but alarms begin to go off across the canopy as his boneless tendrils twitch and swirl in their flight control armatures. Lyle is tossed to the wall ass he attempts to reach the seat below Coil's nested collection of controls.

"The fuck happened? They detect us?" Lyle says. "We all know that shuttle we stole has a tracker in it, same with the escape pod but once we dump them in the atmosphere we should be good to go." He flips his fingers over the control switches as the sensor readouts come alive across his console. He flicks it with his finger several times, assuming an error.

"Local space on high alert!" Coil says, his translation overly crude as he struggles to word his colors for proper translation. "Multiple ships to battle stations, deploying strike craft and moving to blockade!" Lyle begins to laugh as the chittering voices of a chorus of drones echo over the radio frequencies.

"Bit of an overreaction I think. Just a little pile of corvettes." Lyle says as he looks over the readings. "Either way, while the slimy bastards flip their shit we can slip out the back door."

Cont.
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>>1394503
i love this HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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>>1394503
>mfw our plan if sending ships all over the expanse is serving to cover all our black ops missions
>mfw with ships over Tokyo we will distract the PDF's even more and help the terrorist attack.
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>>1394503
MY SIDES

DAMMNNN YOUUUU QM

MYYY SIDDEEESSS
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>>1394503
>We only sent corvettes.
>This reaction.
WOW
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>>1394522
support
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>>1394517
>>1394524
Iiiii missed something. Why's this funny? I WANT IN ON THE JOKE
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>>1394503
Clearly this needs to become routine so they start ignoring or presence.
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>>1394447
No no, the fleet over Gemini is the small scouting fleet, remember?

This is a tiny survey fleet.
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>>1394522
This was the best decision we've made yet.
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>>1394503
The more I think about it, the more I think sending tiny fleets to all the Expanse planets was a good idea. The Union is falling apart now and we haven't even fired a shot. I can only imagine how bad the politicians expect things would get if we actually started shooting at them. It gives them all the more reason to realize that in order to survive they have to give us what we want.

>>1394528
It's funny because every planet we sent ships to are freaking the fuck out even though we only sent a handful of corvettes to each place with no intention of actually attacking. It's the Union's overreaction everyone finds funny.
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GOD DO I WISH WE STILL HAD A SPY WITH THE INNER COUNCIL

AH WELL MAKE DO LISTENING TO THE VALEN FREAKING OUT NEXT DOOR
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>>1394522
Virgo isn't in the Expanse.

Unless we suddenly decide we're taking that system too since the Union dragged their feet on the others.
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>>1394539
Oohhhhhh.

...yeah, that IS funny.
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>>1394542
The valen next door to our embassy
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>>1394549
Depending on how bad the resulting OQ creep and THING catastrophe is we might just get that system.
Or at least Path.
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>>1394539
And anticipating how hilarious will the union and valen rep be the next time we talk since its going to be !FUN!
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>>1394528
We send a tiny fleet to every planet in the expanse. The local defenses reaction is making all the stationed humans shit their pants because they know if we decide to take the expanse by force they will all die.
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>>1394503
But how is the stealth hive inside of Bedrock enjoying the internal chaos?
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How many ships did we send anyway?
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>>1394557
Isn't it one of the most populated systems in Union space? With several times more people in just one city than in the entire Expanse?

I doubt we're getting Path without a fight unless things really go FUBAR.
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>>1394574
>I doubt we're getting Path without a fight unless things really go FUBAR.
That's what i said.
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>>1394574
Talgo, Killinger and Lees homeworld, is also in the same system
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>>1394568
Not many that is why this is so funny.
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>>1394592
Can i get specific numbers?
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>>1394603
Small enough QD didn't even ask for a vote on the number of ships we'd send. I'd guess less than 100 total ships spread out over all the systems in the Expanse.
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>>1394603
There wasn't a certain number set for this fleet. We are here just to observe anyway.
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>>1394603
Also if we consider our light fleets have
(60) Light Fleet Frigate and (15) Light Fleet Cruise. We could have just divided one light fleet for the whole expanse.
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We should start slowly increasing the number of ships watching them just to mindfuck them
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>>1394656
Just imagine our production once we colonize the entire expanse.
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>>1394673
>Disregard the ships in orbit, The Hive only wishes to observe.

>There's a lot more ships now...

>The Hive wishes to observe more intensely, please continue regular Union business.
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>>1394673
that would be fun one more ship for every planet every minute
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>>1394673
When our new order of ships get ready, we can do that.
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>>1394673
That's classic 'we swear we're not gonna do anything NOW INVADE GO GO GO' escalation though.
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>>1394679
It will be glorious!!!
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>>1394689
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>>1394656
>>1394689
>The hive wishes only to be friends and provide free healthcare for all humans in its territory.
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>>1394721
yes lets do that Qm can we make a drone that looks like that it only purpuse is to do that and obseve people?
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>>1394730
In person? that called a speaker
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>>1394730
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>>1394732
just a drone that does this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds6-o4gomRc
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>>1394427
>>1394503
>All this panic
My fucking sides are gone
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>>1394503
Lee leans back in his seat with his feet kicked up onto a glowing patch of hard light extended from the floor as he looks over a stack of reports and interview requests slowly scrolling by on the small chitinous data pad, the screen a patch of chromatophore skin-like membrane stretched thin across its rectangular carapace as haptic holograms slide over its surface to form a projected keyboard. You hear a noise, something like the horn of a steam boat mixed with a rumbling of a natural geyser followed by what you could only describe as the noise of a large cat sprinting across the keyboard of a pipe organ. Lee lets the data bad dip down to his lap for a moment as he looks to the wall as it vibrates as if a local tram were riding past inches from the other side as the building rumbles with a thunderous subsonic noise. You manage to translate it as a primordial valen scream, an involuntary emotional display which could best be described in human terms as a mixture of immeasurable fear, stress release, and confusion most typically heard echoing through the halls of centralized centers of higher learning or brokerage firms after an economic bubble has burst, but in prehistoric times was more likely an involuntary alert system to indicate a predator has approached the clan's waters. Lee looks about the room with confusion.

"Was that an earthquake?" He asks, and a short time later another crash makes Lee jump slightly in his seat as Lang slips in the hall as he attempts to enter in a full sprint, and he quickly drags himself to his feet and throws himself through the door to your embassy's offices. Lee drops his datapad with veiled annoyance as Lang catches his breath.

"Fleets... orbiting..." He gets out before dropping to a chair that materializes out of a haptic hologram beneath him at his unconscious desire to find a seat. He seems to notice the surprise only after he sits, only to have the inevitable question cut off with a worker handing him a glass of water.

"Slow down, and start over." Lee says. "Fleets of what, where?"

"Hive fleets! All across the Expanse!" He says. "People are in a full panic, saying it's the first wave of an invasion."

"We said we are observing!" A speaker says with indignation. "Twice this was said! Humans still swarm with mindlessness. Very small survey fleet only meant to gather data of what Humans have done to Hive space."

"Well, humans live there, and that's not how they see it." Lang says. "I ran all the way here from the main press building." Lee glances down to his data pad as news alerts begin to flash along the bottom. He presses one of them as a holographic display of a small collection of corvettes centered around a frigate float into the orbit of Billiard as seen from the telescopes of Brandenburg.

"What that? Is this what all this insanity is about?" Lee asks.

"Those formations just showed up in every system in the expanse." Lang replies.

"Well the Expanse is Hive space." Lee says simply.
cont.
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>>1394503
>meanwhile, across union space..
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>>1394784
>"Well the Expanse is Hive space." Lee says simply.

Lee is best human, the best human.
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>>1394784
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

GAKKK

MY SIDES HAVE LEFT THE BUILDING
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>>1394784
"It's just a few corvettes, do you also panic when the train is a little late?"
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>>1394805
Remember when anons wanted to stop our diplomancing before it started by killing Lee? Good times.
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>>1394825
What? who wanted to kill lee?
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>>1394784
I lost it...Lee's and our speaker's reaction is the best.
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>>1394835
Fools.
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>>1394825
I'm still waiting for the inevitable collapse of Hive-Union relations so we can go full Zerg on these silly bitches.
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>>1394794
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>>1394835
Some anons that were discussing why a alien bug creature would be interrested in a human. It was way in the first few threads i think.
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>>1394835
Ive been re reading the quest and WAAAAAY back when we first found him injured, some anons wanted to kill him and analyze his corpse,maybe not in that order.
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>>1394850
MY SIDES I NEARLY PISST IN MY BED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>1394853
Honestly he's like our Watson.
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>>1394845
Well given their previous track record I'd give it an in-game week before we have to pull a Kerrigan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVbeoSPqRs4
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>>1394863
nice this WILL HAPPEN in know it
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Just send fleets similar in size to the one orbiting Gemini to union core systems to make them understand fucking with us is a death wish
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>He gets out before dropping to a chair that materializes out of a haptic hologram beneath him at his unconscious desire to find a seat. >materializes out of a haptic hologram beneath him
>at his unconscious desire to find a seat

Every thing about this part is golden.
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>>1394881
Too aggressive for right now.
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>>1394863
Good choice of HoS. We dont want to exterminate them,nor utterly destroy their way of life:we just want them to stop being such fucking assholes. One idea that ive thought of is as a show of power, in the first battle we take all of their soldiers without killing almost any of them. After that we return them in a bunch of shuttles with a message:
"Mercy is a privilege of the strong.If we are able to spare your forces without suffering significant losses, imagine what we are capable of if we do not care for the lose of you lives:.
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>>1394881
We only have one hive ship. We don't actually have that much to throw around we just pretend we do.
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>>1394902
Doesn't need to include a hive capital ship, add more battle cruisers then
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>>1394863
What are you talking about, we already have one working in our psionic R and D department, remember?
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>>1394845
Hopefully the Union won't be stupid enough to actually initiate an attack against an overwhelmingly superior force when they're already getting fucked up the ass by the Commonwealth. They also know (or at least the important people should know) they really shit the bed with the Nowhere fiasco and that there might actually be a good reason for the Hive's intervention.

I'm more worried about a few rogue trigger happy commanders attacking our forces than I am about the Union as a whole declaring war on us. I doubt we'll get a chance to go full Zerg, but it would be fun to do so if necessary.

>>1394863
They wouldn't even last a week if we redirected all our forces from the Commonwealth to Union space. We have them ridiculously outnumbered and out gunned without even calling for backup from Theseus/Heretic/Barren Queen. The biggest hindrance to our advance would be Anons not wanting to exterminate everyone on each planet, which would limit us to relatively small scale strikes.
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>>1394863
You mean Elizabeth? She is already a Kerrigan. And we are very proud of our adopted daugther.
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>>1394921
Also OQ might be waiting for us to move most of our forces. That is another big reason why we cant just invade them:we have only felt OQ prodding us,we have never felt her actually try to invade us.
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>>1394949
She was trying to find our capital only and basically responded by mocking her attempt.
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>>1394972
Thats my point. She didnt try to invade us. Until she tries and we can gauge her power, Id prefer for us to keep a majority of our forces by Leeland.
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>>1394985
The psionic shroud hids our activity there and makes it impossible to know it was our capital.
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>>1395018
Pretty much this.

Plus we can blink our forces back instantly in the event of an attack, so the physical location of our military matters much less than it does when travel actually takes a considerable time (like for the Humans). Plus an actual invasion of Leeland would probably be enough of a threat to the war effort that Theseus/Heretic/The Barren Queen would send everything they have to our defense, since if the Red Queen dies it's essentially game over in our attempt to defeat the Void.
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>>1394985
We have made a order for more ships. But we REALLY need to get the expanse or we will start having a negative income. Hopefully this "observing fleet" will put enough pressure in the Union politicians.
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>>1394921
Not really. We shouldn't go for scorched earth tactics anyway. every human is basically a mini hiveless queen. you don't need to kill everything to take control you don't even need to kill anything in some cases. shock and awe is extremely effective and efficient if we need to fight the Union.

If fights do start I suggest first order of business is liberate the sun bros. we cripple the unions Candaron production, look militarily superior in every way to the Hawks and to the doves we look like the liberators of the downtrodden. Plus we get sun bro genetics.
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>>1395074
Come to think of it.
>>1394784
QD can we put ships into hibernation?
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>>1395074
Can we put ships into hybernation? I remember anons talking about it but QD never confirmed it.
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>>1395112
We can ask now. Although ships are just bigger drones QD never confirmed or denied we could put our ships into hybernation mode.
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>>1395039
>Plus we can blink our forces back instantly in the event of an attack, so the physical location of our military matters much less

The Union would have the most *infuriating* time trying to fight us in the Expanse. If we ever started to lose in one system, we'd just blink out, use the extra forces to mop up somewhere we're winning, then send the combined forces back to the formerly losing battle.
From humanity's perspective, they just scared off the bugs only for them to show back up minutes later with twice the numbers.
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>>1395135
That's the problem when you fight a Hivemind.

You're not fighting one fleet, you're fighting all their fleets, you just don't know it yet.
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>>1395151
Honestly, humanity's only hope in a war would be to assemble all their forces together to mitigate our ability to pick them off one at a time with overwhelming numbers and attempt an all out assault on Leeland. Which would not happen for a multitude of reasons including but not limited to the fact that they don't even know that the Queen is still on Leeland or that killing the Queen would stop the hive..
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>>1395151
Don't forget Heretic and Theseus. Heretic must be in a good humor to purge some humans after what they had done at Nowhere
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>>1395176
The Queen is in a bunker so deep that she might as well be lurking in the core of the planet, with enough decoys that they'd need a ground war that makes the somme look like a slap fight to drind their way to her.
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>>1395176
And the fact their FTL is super slow compared to the Hive blink drive before they even manage to organize and move their fleet we would be able to blink right on top of then.
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We should open up a chanel to the humans to ask for a commentary like "we see humans breaking windows dose this have religious meanings"
"No thier rioting!!"
"Rioting? The hive doesn't know this word but humans seem to find it fun"
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>>1395176
Plus our tunnel network means if they try to bomb us, we can just move ourselves either away or down. Our underground food supply also means we can just keep pushing out drones. Its a bottleneck scenario, but they will run out of troops long before we do.
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>>1395192
Right we actually relocated the Queen after the Smith invaded the Hive.
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>>1395199
Humans are so strange...
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>>1395176
Hey man, don't underestimate the tenacity or ingenuity of humankind when they've got their back to the wall in a fight. Right now we have an overwhelming edge over them because we've been scoping out their infrastructure and key tech developments when they know absolutely nothing about us. All they need to do is come up with sufficient tactics and technology to match or overcome that edge (and if their survival is on the line you can bet they will start getting creative) and they could really start putting some hurt on us in a fight.

Don't forget, they've got a nigh bottomless supply of naval vessels in storage, a huge population, and one of if not the most technologically sophisticated armies in this setting.
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>>1395192
>>1395202

Exactly. Their best hope is to get in a protracted ground war with the Hive in an attempt to penetrate an impenetrable bunker complex under Leeland while fighting an overwhelmingly superior fleet and ground military.

Their "best hope" is insanely improbable, but it is their only path to "victory" that is even slightly possible (absent OQ bullshit).
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>>1395199
>>1395209
It reminds me of how whenever anthropologists don't know what something is, then they by default claim it was used for 'ceremonial purposes'.
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>>1394784
Lang seems to want to say something, but doesn't quite know what. He stammers for words for a moment before Lee cuts him off.

"How about you just tell everyone to just calm down and stop panicking, and just let the hive do its surveys, alright?" He says, Lang nods shakily for a moment as he thinks.

"Well I was just about run out of the press room with people asking for a statement. That kind of thing is typically your job and people are still worried about any possible invasion."

"Alright, alright. Just put out a written statement." Lee says. "We can do that right? Do we have somewhere to just send written statements? Just tell them it's an astrological survey of the systems and the ships are no more dangerous than a typical transport convoy. Those corvettes are mostly used for material and drone transport anyways. They're practically just panicking over a fleet of starbus-780s in orbit."

"Well you should make it a priority to get that interview set up as soon as possible." Lang says. "I'll pass on the information to the local news outlets but I doubt people are going to be all that pleased regardless."

"They're running out of things to burn out there." Lee says, and looks back to his data pad as he continues to read through requests from various networks for their exclusive. After a short moment he glances back to Lang, as if surprised he is still there, and Lang quickly rushes out of the door with a visible limp. Lee simply sighs with exhaustion and rubs his temples.

cont.
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>>1395199
support and super funny
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>>1395213
Then we call Heretic and we will see which side have the most advanced tech in the setting.
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>>1395220
"Since it doesn't make sense it obviously means it was made for religious purposes."
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>>1395213
HFY GO AWAY

We have endless waves of utterly expendable troops that we can produce in minutes when it takes then decades to make a soldier.

We have technology that advances faster in a month than they have in several thousand years, and shows no sign of decelerating.

We can make enough ships to double their total reserves in the time it takes then to bring their forces out of mothballing.

Humans are fucked, and nothing they do can change that. ELDER RACE BITCHES
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>>1395223
Time to educate humans on the Hive. Primarily history, the differences between each Hive, and fashion.
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>>1395223
Ooooh!!! Is it interview time? This is going to be good.
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>>1395223
"I've got the list down to a few networks." He says. "They're not all going to be all that fair, given the situation, but I've at least weeded out the outlets that have been screaming about the hive turning humans into food and the ones claiming total invasion is imminent." He hands your drone the datapad as he leans back in his seat.

>UPN - Union Public News, a nonprofit news outlet which is often hailed as both the seal of quality for balanced news coverage, and as the dull droning of pretentious intellectuals, it is typically biased towards the political establishment regardless of party affiliation.
>QNN - the Quantum News Network, with a legacy of balanced coverage and anti-authoritarian reporting, the network formed near the end of the Colony Wars from a batch of political activists utilizing the new technology of Quantum Communications to disseminate information on the brutality of local Confederate crackdowns and has since grown into one of the largest news networks in the Union. While it arguably used to be balanced, it has begun to lean towards a pro-Green stance in the past few years rather strongly.
>The Savanna - A subscription based alternative news outlet openly dedicated to pro-Rhino political positions, it has numerous network channel subdivisions under various names across Union space and often streams interviews freely across Q-comm networks.
>Star News - A somewhat moderately pro-national and Tory news outlet under the claim of fair and balanced reporting mixed with regular political commentary from highly political pundits and more opinion shows than actual news coverage, its sensationalism makes it one of the most viewed networks in the Union.
>Other
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>>1395223
>"They're running out of things to burn out there."
Oh,Lee.The cornerstones of human ingenuity are our ability to kill anything,eat anything(if we prepare it right),and how to destroy anything. In a few hours they'll probably start burning the streets.
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>>1395223
>After a short moment he glances back to Lang, as if surprised he is still there, and Lang quickly rushes out of the door with a visible limp.
Oh no poor Lang, he needs a dip in medical paste and a relaxing bath.
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>>1395273
Let's do all of them at the same time.
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>>1395273
>Star News

Heads are gonna yak bad about us regardless, may as well go direct.
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>>1395237
It's not HFY, it's a valid consideration. No harm in an estimate of the enemy that's not 'HAHAHA we're so great.'
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>>1395273
All 4 and see how united there media is right now as they each give their own spin
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>>1395292
This, just a group of speakers walk out of the embassy and head for each news network.
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>>1395292
>>1395308
One more thing
Have each and every speaker levitate their way there.
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>>1395273
>QNN
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>>1395308
>>1395302
>>1395292

Oh god. Just on every news channel throughout the Union are identical speakers spouting adorable nonsense in *perfect* unison.
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>>1395273
>Other
What was that info wars knockoff called again?
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>>1395273
>UPN
Balanced is good,but it takes the side of the establishment.
>QNN
Grens are nice, but balanced is best
>The Savanna
Subscription means fewer viewers and interviews are only OFTEN free.
>Star News
They would try to steer the issue into unrelated matters.
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>>1395273
>>UPN - Union Public News, a nonprofit news outlet which is often hailed as both the seal of quality for balanced news coverage, and as the dull droning of pretentious intellectuals, it is typically biased towards the political establishment regardless of party affiliation.

Do we really want to have to work our way through 4 interviews about the same thing? We've got other stuff to do.
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>>1395315
Hell, we can have the speakers levitate random shit during the interview.

>The interviewer hands us a coffee mug with the corporate logo on it. We levitate it into our mandables and swallow it on live television.
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>>1395308
We really need a specific term for multiple speakers. A cacophony maybe?
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>>1395321
>They say HELLO at exactly the same time.
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>>1395273
QNN. Seems interesting enough.
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>>1395273
If we can only choose one (time constraits, QD constraints etc), I would say:
>QNN

If we can choose up to three:
>UPN
>QNN
>Star News (as a joke)
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>>1395328
a choir.
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>>1395273
>>1395324
Less be real, asking for a supposedly 'balanced' network is silly. What counts as balanced is defined by the heavily manipulated Overton window. It'd be solely playing into the artificial status quo.
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>>1395323
THE NECTER IS TURNING THE TEIDERIANS GAY!
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>>1395273
>>QNN - the Quantum News Network, with a legacy of balanced coverage and anti-authoritarian reporting, the network formed near the end of the Colony Wars from a batch of political activists utilizing the new technology of Quantum Communications to disseminate information on the brutality of local Confederate crackdowns and has since grown into one of the largest news networks in the Union. While it arguably used to be balanced, it has begun to lean towards a pro-Green stance in the past few years rather strongly.

I see your references QD
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>>1395338
....a chitin choir perhaps?
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>>1395237
>We have endless waves of utterly expendable troops that we can produce in minutes when it takes then decades to make a soldier.
And they are by and large mindless drones that are next to useless if they're not guided by our or a thinker's intelligence. All the Union needs is a way to kill a lot of drones very fast to counter those massive numbers. A nuke or tactical strike from orbit would do the job terribly well, to say nothing of psionic fuckery if they ever manage to get their shit together long enough to figure it out.

>We have technology that advances faster in a month than they have in several thousand years, and shows no sign of decelerating.
Lol no we don't. We have the basic tech the old queens brought with them in their FTL emergency lifeboat, and literally everything else we've reverse engineered at lightening pace from the humans or Skyl. QD has explained several times, in depth, as to why the centralized intelligence makes hives terrible at inventing anything. A single hive is a single entity, and doesn't have the sheer creative potential of a massive society of individuals, no matter how good it is at taking things apart.

>We can make enough ships to double their total reserves in the time it takes then to bring their forces out of mothballing.
We can only make as many ships as our resource income allows, and with the last order we've sort of hit our limit until we expand that. Right now we should actually have negative income because of the resource upkeep costs of our vast numbers of ships. And the Union can bring those ships out of mothballing very, VERY fast if they start getting desperate.

Don't buy too much into your own hype man, hubris has led many great military powers to their own destruction. Right now we hold the edge but when humanity starts to learn more of us they'll start coming up with novel ways to counter that edge.
I mean Jesus this quest was half inspired by Ender's friggen Game dude. What are we going to do when the Union starts deploying genemodded autistic super children against us?
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>>1395328
A raucous.

>>1395321
"Humans are being told now for the third through eighty-sixth times, we are assessing our property. Please act like normal humans. Cease smashing your own glass in reverence at once. No one is to be harmed. As the Lee says, these fleets are like star busses. Star busses bristling with railguns, yes?"
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>>1395273
>>>UPN - Union Public News, a nonprofit news outlet which is often hailed as both the seal of quality for balanced news coverage, and as the dull droning of pretentious intellectuals, it is typically biased towards the political establishment regardless of party affiliation.

QNN would hurt the Greens in the election. It might even drive them towards more openly hostile actions rhetoric against the Hive to counter claims they are in league with the alien invaders.

Remember how the Valen made a big public show of support for the Greens while supporting the Tories in reality because they knew how unpopular the Valen were. Magnify that by 10 and you'll see just how bad an impact on the Greens there would be if the Hive appeared to show any favoritism towards them before the election.
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>>1395273
>>The Savanna

Savannas sound very tasty to consume and turn into hive infrastructure.
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>>1395366
If I remember right the Greens were pro-xeno rights so we'd get better PR with QNN
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>>1395273
>>UPN
>>QNN
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>>1395349
If they try any psychic fuckery we break out the Immolator warheads. That is one tech tree we will stop at nothing to keep them from going down.
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>>1395366
Greens are already dead in the water.
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>>1395325
If we do all we can reach all the humans and so anwsering all points of view and learning each politican human point of view of us. The more interviews we do more people will watch it.

Beside it's bot like we can't do it.
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>>1395343
What's the reference?
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>>1395374
>If I remember right the Greens were pro-xeno rights so we'd get better PR with QNN
No we wouldn't.
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>>1395374
Exactly. The Greens are Pro-Xenos so the opposition will assume/argue they are in league with the hive. If we play into that assumption it will hurt the power the Greens have hugely.

Remember how Alder was so hostile towards the Hive-Commonwealth connection during the forum? She was doing that because if she was soft on us it would be political suicide. If we appear to favor the Greens the Greens will up their anti-hive rhetoric as a matter of survival.
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>>1395349
>All the Union needs is a way to kill a lot of drones very fast

Ya don't say.
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>>1395349
Their is a very simple way to end the entire fight.
Immolator Warheads.
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>>1395380
>Their big "Project X"/"Omega Protocol" allows 1 in 1 million toguage vague emotions and they have an aneurysm afterwords
Dont think we have any worries on that front.
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>>1395349
I have one word for you...Titan drones.
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>>1395407
Can't really use an immolator warheads in a defensive action against a space borne fleet, which is where the real danger lies in an open conflict.
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>>1395349
>What are we going to do when the Union starts deploying genemodded autistic super children against us?

I distinctly recall one of our thinker upgrades was effectively giving them autism.
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>>1395413
Philoctetes pls, go get on the hydra's back.
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>>1395395
It's all the news stations, they're based on CNN and the like
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>>1395426
Crystal autism.
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>>1395423
You really don't know our capabilities.
We have Disassemblers that destroy any defensive ground position. We have weapons that counter anything they bring in. We can hijack their ships and turn them against them.
You literally know nothing about what we're capable of.
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>>1395451
You mean people right?
unity the one that hijack there ships controls
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>>1395451
Now call him John Snow and fuck him hard.
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>>1395456
Nope. Scavenger tech is designed for stealing ships.
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>>1395323
Data Wars, however Lee removed them from the list as their last three articles have been about mandatory mutations to join the Hive Mind, the devastating effects of if you're orbiting fleet were to open fire in rather over-theatrically exaggerated detail, and a satirical comedy bit in which the news anchor attempted to sell a made up resort to a "sugar mine labor camp" as a "mandatory, life long" vacation while wearing a large rubber insect mask.
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>>1395468
Yeah let's avoid talking to them...just yet
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>>1395459
They don't have tech that does that
Its there scav boarding crew/marine that hijacks other ships and are trained in how to use human tech

Unity just straight up installs himself and takes direct control, so unity technique is based of his tech

Unity more efficient
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>>1395468
>Implying we would use subpar human labor to mine the precious precious sugar resources of the Hive.

The Sheer /Insult/!

If we had a religion that would have caused a crusade!
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>>1395273
Star news just for the shitstorm.

Or UPN for the safe choice.
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>>1395485
And the Union's ships are designed against that.
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>>1395273
Where the heck is the bigwig Reverend's reaction to the hive yet anyway?
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>>1395468
Make a note to send them a gift basket.
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>>1395514
made of ssugar
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>>1395468
God your on a roll, but he isn't that far off the truth though is he?
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>>1395273
>Other

Fuck it just release a space Youtube video outlining that we are just surveying shit and that we have informed the Union government about this before we started. Act confused about why this information was disseminated to the public at large
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>>1395494
We do have a religion. Remember, it's to kill the void gods.
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>>1395532
SUPPORT
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>>1395514
This.
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>>1395273
I changed my mind again i will pick this
>The Savanna
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>>1395532
I don't recall telling the union government about this.
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>>1395521
>>1395514
Filled with Confectionery Treats
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>>1395552
i thought we did?
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>>1395328
A cheek
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>>1395514
Supporting this.

>>1395532

Also this.

>Hive told your Speakers of survey, Speakers did not convey to rest of humans. You have bad Speakers.

>Hive suggests replacement Speakers.
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>>1395552
So? The political climate of the Union is such that its very partisan. Lets play off the distrust of the public to the government and spread some dissent
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>>1395552
I think thats the point, they declare they didn't know but people are wondering already how much bullshit they were being told prior

Its to damage the internal affairs of the union
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>>1395514
Maybe with a voucher that says "Favorable Labor Camp Position For Inferior Human Laborer" with the host's picture on it.
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>>1395566
SUPER ULTA ULIMET SUPPORT
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>>1395451
>You really don't know our capabilities.
I know exactly what we're capable of. It's just that once the Union get's a chance to see all our shit, and the time needed to develop counter measures, they could handily counter any single one of those terrible weapons.
>We have Disassemblers that destroy any defensive ground position.
Give them a sample of disassemblers or even the grey aftermath of one of their attacks, and could come up with an EMP pulse, or a chemical based deterrent, or just an extra shell over their defensive positions to absorb the disassemblers before they can reach the heart of the structure. Once you see what they are and how they work it's not hard to come up with a way of stopping it.
>We have weapons that counter anything they bring in.
Can't really stop a 150 megaton thermonuclear blast, but that aside, this is only because we captured their tech and reverse engineered it an a comparative blink of an eye.
>We can hijack their ships and turn them against them.
We've never actually tried to board anything yet, you know, it's not guaranteed to succeed every time by any measure. And all they would have to do to counter that is exactly what we do, install a nuclear dead mans switch in every single craft, to be activated if the ship is captured.

>You literally know nothing about what we're capable of.
And you have very little imagination or foresight. Every single terrible weapon we have can be countered if they learn of it. If that happens they can single out and develop ways of limiting the impact of each one. QD wouldn't include the Union with their flashy tech and huge numbers of ships in the setting unless they could prove a genuine challenge to us in a protracted war.
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>>1395568
>>1395569
But that would be lying and that can come to bite us in the abdomen.
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>>1395569
I think that it wont be as effective since there now starting to circle the wagons at this and this is just more alien aggression
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>>1395552
Could have sworn we did at some point.

Or at the very least we've told them that we owned that space.

Can't be mad at a guy checking his front lawn to see how badly the dogs have shit in it since he's been on vacation.
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>>1395566
>Hive told your Speakers of survey, Speakers did not convey to rest of humans. You have bad Speakers.
>Hive suggests replacement Speakers.

Support

Addendum:
"Are your speakers so accustomed to lying that they have forgotten to tell truths?"
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>>1395579
So? All fair in politics

And this is politics, lying is the most major tool in it

And we are relying on bullshit and brute force to get what we want
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>>1395514
This seems like a better option. Time and effort would be wasted dealing with it during the interviews.

>>1395468
Is this the same network that also sells arsenic-based water filters to filter out the dangerous dihydrogen monoxide that the illegitimate government puts in the water supply?
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>>1395587
Pfffhahahaha
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>>1395579
Yeah, I agree. We've got enough dirt on the Union as is without needing to make stuff up. At the end of the day if Union leadership universally says the Hive had no communications to the Union about survey ships showing up the people will believe their leaders over the invading alien bugs. Strange, but true.
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>>1395532
THIS, but also supporting the gift basket.

Phoneposting is the worst.
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>>1395590
No we're relying on ancestral maps and brute force, no bullshit there.
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Did we tell the government to stop digging for artifacts? I think we did back on the hive ship but I'd like to make sure.
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>>1395610
What maps? we dont have any maps to show anyone

Its pure bullshit, but real good bullshit
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>>1395613
>What maps?

Mental maps.
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>>1395613
The map we found back on the arkship.
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>>1395616
Exactly good bullshit
No one can call us out on that since we are Psi race
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>>1395616
And this too, we have white crystal records and the barren queen, we can make the maps.
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>>1395616
Didn't we also have a skyl data cube with maps on it? We can use that too.
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>>1395613
Our anger at the artifacts is not at all bullshit. And this is actually truthfully ancient hive/Skyl territory.

Plus, the humans have effectively declared war on us through their own actions.

They have:
Invaded our territory and placed WMD's in orbit,
Attacked a sentient protectorate species (the Rhaligeans),
Hired mercenaries to kidnap civilians and diplomats (Lyle capturing drones and a speaker),
Murdered said diplomat in an experiment,
attempted to cover up the civilian's escape by deploying nuclear weapons against their own facility,
Sent a Smith assassin against our head of state,
Been generally overall dicks,
And almost destroyed the fabric of reality.

We're really only angry about the last part, but we can bring up all these things as legitimate causes for us to claim the Expanse beyond historical precedent.

We also have lots of things from our casual knowledge of history to carbon dated ancient hive structures to prove this really is ancestral territory.
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>>1395641
we should mention this
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>>1395641
>Attacked a sentient protectorate species (the Rhaligeans)
This was an accident so it unfortunately won't be good to use it.
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>>1395641
The only think stopping me from voting to whipe out all the humans is just because this was organized and dobe by Killinger. I don't want to blame a hole race for the wrongs of just one entity. But i'm starting to get short on my patience.

For fucks sake the Commonwealth did a better diplomatic job that then.
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>>1395578
Most of that is flat out wrong or woefully misinformed.
>the time needed to develop counter measures
It would take month. The war would be decided in weeks.
>Give them a sample of disassemblers or even the grey aftermath of one of their attacks,
The first one is not happening because nobody here is going to give it to them, the second tells them nothing.
>install a nuclear dead mans switch in every single craft, to be activated if the ship is captured.
This is good for us anon. It requires time, effort, and resources and could easily backfire on them if we capture the crew alive.
>Can't really stop a 150 megaton thermonuclear blast
You can shoot down the nuke beforehand.
>QD wouldn't include the Union with their flashy tech and huge numbers of ships in the setting unless they could prove a genuine challenge to us in a protracted war.
They actually lost their chance to be able to challenge us a while ago and they're starting to realize that. The only way they could fight us effectively is if they set aside all of their difference with the Valen and Commonwealth and worked together to fight us.
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>>1395641
>attempted to cover up the civilian's escape by deploying nuclear weapons against their own facility,
But anon, those nuclear weapons destroyed those civilians of ours on the base, remember. It's not like we've got stealth ships that can land on one of their most heavily monitored worlds and exfiltrate our suicide bombers civilians while they were transporting the remains of their head researcher. That's just crazy talk.
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>>1395658
They did invade a ancient hive. So they were basically digging up a hive private/sacred ground. And to the people in Raligah The Gardner's hive was a place of religious worship.
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>>1395676
They can fight us in space just fine. No amount of asking for help would let anyone win a ground war against the hive except another hive though.
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>>1395696
You're right, but it would be preferable to say
>Trespassed on a holy planet.
>Damaged a holy Relic(They blew up a tiny wall wall in the arkship)
Than to blame them for the deaths of natives which they didn't know were sentient.
Actually that reminds me, if the government gets uppity just reveal to them they damaged a 7,000+ year old relic.
Or was it 70,000?
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>>1395672
There are millions of Killingers. Remove one and another will take its place.

The only way to really make the galaxy safe from another Tartarus reactor is to kill them or parasite them all.
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>>1395728
Actually it's older.
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>>1395728
sopport
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>>1395735
How many years older? I keep forgetting.
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>>1395731
Big Daddy Killinger is a smart son'uvabitch. He will make what ever decision will secure him power. I doubt he would risk the Tartarus Reactor unless he believed he had no choice.
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>>1395728
I think it's longer 70 thousand is when the OQ's betrayed the other hives.

I also agree with everything you wrote.
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They're going to bring up the Hope crew you know.

In fact, a Hope crew member is probably their surprise guest on the show.

How do you explain the unexplained surgeries, the missing time? Where is Vaughn?
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>>1395745
70,000 year ago was the betrayal. It's an exodus artifact.
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>>1395728
Supporting. And we can offer to let them send a survey team to Rhaliga. There is AMPLE evidence the Hive has been active in Expanse for thousands of years there and the fact that the Rhaligeans are sentient and can back us up with cave drawings/oral history is just icing on the cake.
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>>1395749
Or ge thinks he can control it. Hope he isn't crazy enough to try that.
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>>1395676
>It would take month. The war would be decided in weeks.
If we're successful, sure, but what are going to do about the survivors or now thoroughly humiliated Union rump state? Unless you're talking about a total war of extermination, which I doubt would sit will with our allies or adopted humans.

>The first one is not happening because nobody here is going to give it to them, the second tells them nothing.
They don't need much to work out a counter measure, just enough to know how the nano bots propogate and spread. It's not like the idea of a grey goo super weapon is a novel one to humanity.

>This is good for us anon. It requires time, effort, and resources and could easily backfire on them if we capture the crew alive.
It doesn't take much time or effort to rig up a ships main power drive to explosively overload I don't think. And the assumption is that by the time they consider dead man's switches in the first place, the welfare of the crew would be mostly a non issue. If the captain had to decide between letting their ship fall into enemy hands to be used against their countrymen and blowing it up with all hands, they'd probably pick the latter.

>You can shoot down the nuke beforehand.
Easier said than done, especially in the numbers the Union likes to deploy them in.

Understand I'm not talking about a single violent confrontation here, I'm talking about a protracted and drawn out war, in which the Union has sufficient time and motivation to focus their war machine on us. And unless we're willing to commit unrestrained genocide or permanently destroy most of the planetary bodies in this sector of space, we're going to have to consider the likely behavior of the Union in the long run.
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>>1395759
How long ago was the exodus?
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>>1395751
Vauhn is in Leeland they can ask for a interview with her after.

What surgeries? We haven't left any evidence of it.
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>>1395768
We have the tech to drop an immolator on every major population centre of the Union in a single day. There won't be a drawn out war, just a single, unrecoverable strike,
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>>1395751
We can say that Vaughn has proved to be amazingly capable and is largely responsible for the Hive's patience with the Union at this time. She may be available for an interview, although whether or not she chooses to accept is up to her.
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>>1395273
>QNN

Lee watches as the data is streamed onto the screen of the organic datapad.

"Well don't expect any soft punches no matter how much pro-xeno support they have. Not after all this insanity." Lee says. "Although out of all of them I suppose QNN does offer the best chance of not walking right into a PR death trap."

"Speaker will speak well." Your drone chirps. "Lee and speaker speaking will overwhelm their speaking. This speaker has seen human speaking strategies for news. Speaking is done as loud as possible to mute out other speaking until the time runs out."

"Uh... I don't think you've-" Lee's voice is cut off as your speaker chirps loudly over him.

"That's not-"

"Best speaking!" Your drone says. Lee sits in silence as he emanates thoughts of annoyance. Your drone chirps in confusion.

"Lee will help with speaking." Your drone says.

"Just... pay attention. This isn't a conversation to hand over to the thinkers." Lee says. "I think that should be obvious." Your drone's mind, a tremendously simple thing, even with the relative complexity added in to permit speech, struggles in a fog of confusion as it reaches out to you, searching for something it cannot comprehend. Your drone chirps with a notably different composure, although it is possible Lee simply feels your mind's burning focus.

"Yes." You say. "This method of disseminating information is inefficient. It lacks nuance."

"Well I'm still getting used to the whole... uh, mind melding thing." Lee says as he waves his hand about his head for dramatic effect. "I think I'm starting to get the hang of it though. Either way, I'll make sure that press release it good to go and see if we can wedge our way into a good time slot."

>Accept QNN's request to visit their network studio in person downtown
>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
>Perform the interview over the local network.
>Other
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>>1395768
>I'm talking about a protracted and drawn out war
So something that will never happen.
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>>1395790
Welp, we're going to hurt the greens PR.
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>>1395790
>>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
Time to show off our sweet pad
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>>1395790
>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy

Let's show of our crib and tech to the humans
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>>1395812
"Hello QNN, welcome to my crib."
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>>1395775
We took a prisoners who weren't injured away from the others and told him he would 'feel better', and knocked him out. They'll at least ask about that part.
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Rolled 3 (1d3)

>>1395790
1. Accept QNN's request to visit their network studio in person downtown
2. Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
3. Perform the interview over the local network.
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>>1395790
>>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
All the big interviews are conducted on official grounds on network television.

>>1395779
>>1395792
Did you forget that immolator warheads permanently and completely destroy an entire planet, beyond the extent of even our terraforming tech to repair? That isn't something you can include in you standard arsenal of conventional weapons in a war, otherwise you would leave entire swaths of space stone cold dead and useless to us.

Right now we can win just about any sort of war with the Union, but unless you're willing to commit near total xenocide (heh, and it's clear most anons aren't) then you've got to think about what you're going to do about the survivors left over.
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>>1395801
Actually if the greens don't hold their tongue they can show how that they won't deal ligthly with aliens. May even turn some votes in their favor.
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>>1395790
>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
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>>1395790
>>Accept QNN's request to visit their network studio in person downtown

I like the imagery. Dunno why we're not going for it.
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>>1395749
There are millions of Killingers. One of them lacks motive to do the same mistake again. The others haven't learned the same lesson.

All it takes is a bit of crystal corruption, or humans willing to sell Canderon to Ceph agents, and whoops.
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>>1395790
>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
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>>1395848
>you've got to think about what you're going to do about the survivors left over.
Adopt them?

That doesn't require much thought at all.
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>>1395842
We were just conducting exams to make sure humans had any verming that could demage the hive. Unsuprisinly they haven't
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>>1395790
>Accept QNN's request to visit their network studio in person downtown
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>>1395866
Killinger is head Killinger for a reason. If a bunch of ambitious guppies in his pond try to shake things up, he will gut them.
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>>1395801
>Welp, we're going to hurt the greens PR.
Yep, this is going to hurt them for sure. Oh well...

>>1395790
>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy.

Time to show off our awesome home. Pic related is how I imagine our embassy looks.
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>>1395875
Of course we will adopt then we will make the humans see what they are missing once they join the hivemind.
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>>1395842
An they came back perfectly fine.
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>>1395889
Quick, post ancient stone temples!
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>>1395790
>>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy
Kinda want to show off our sweet digs
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>>1395889
When they walk in to the interview room we can use holoprojectors to make it look like there walking in to space that will impress
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>>1395848
You're assuming they would fight past the first one. I condone using it in the same way the US used it on Japan.
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>>1395913
this is the only picture i have in or of a stone temple
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>>1395929
Good enough!
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>>1395916
>human repoter ask
>"were are we going to sit? There are no couches?"
>Speaker chips softly hard light couches and chair for everyone
>speaker says.
>"The hive is quite efficient to provide adaptable seats. All the truly advanced species knows that"
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>>1395935
do you like it?
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>>1395929
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>>1395956
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>>1395950
Yes
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>>1395886
They hardly need to usurp official government authority on Killinger's radar to fuck shit up. All they need is an experimental lab. Plenty of private ones to be corrupted into dooming 3-dimensional space.
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>>1395927
And that would probably work, but then you've got their entire state mostly intact that you would have to deal with. They'd have access to all the reserves of material and manpower the Union has access to now, with every reason to fear us. You can bet that in such a state somebody would start furiously researching the weapons we used against them no matter how thoroughly we disarm them.
Because if their behavior in this quest shows anything, it's that human beings are bloody minded in their pursuit to know the unknown to the point of self destruction.
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>>1395977
At least we would get Union support, or at the very least they wouldn't start freaking out, if that happened and Killinger didn't want any void fuckery. We dont need their acquiescence, but it would minimize trouble.
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>>1395979
COMMONWEALTH. Do you understand?
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>>1395790
>Inform them to send a reporter to perform the interview within your embassy

However we should have a hardlight room ready. a room filled with nothing at all that is decorated entirely with hardlight furniture.
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>>1395790
Lee flips through various letters and memos on his datapad as he searches for the proper information, until he finds the response from QNN to your blanket interview invitation and quickly enters the contact information. There is a short wait before a clearly synthetic voice responds in a flat greeting. Lee listens as it drones on about the lines being busy and it asks for his name and contact information.

"Yes, this is Ryan Lee, human representative of the Hive. I'm calling about your-" Before he can finish the line clicks loudly and there is a rough static of someone jamming a live earpiece into their ear haphazardly.

"Yes, hello!" Someone shouts. You can hear a raucous in the background of voices shouting and machines making the various mechanical sounds of an office in total bedlam. "You're calling about our interview request with the Hive?" As the person finishes his statement you can hear the chaos in the background become silent in a moment. The human on the other end of the line seems to hold his breath.

"Yes, but we'd like to invite you here, to the embassy. What would be your earliest time slot available?" There is a static filled murmur that seems to carry on for a long moment until you can hear someone loudly whisper back and forth.

"I don't care, everyone's covering it, cancel it. We'll put your time slot on the net but that block is off air, damnit!"

"Would you be available... tonight?" The voice says. "Twenty two thirty?"

"Uh, yea, I suppose that works." Lee says. He glances to your drone with surprise. "That's the middle of prime time." He thinks.

"Great! We'll send a crew over in a few hours to get things ready!" The voice says with genuine enthusiasm, and Lee ends the call as people begin to cheer in the background loud enough to make the sound begin to cut out.

"Uh... well, I think you just pushed the prime time news cast off the air, but they say a film crew will be here in a few hours." Lee says as he puts down the data pad with a look of surprise confusion.

cont.
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>>1395984
Wait, are you talking about the Commonwealth? I was talking about the Union, we get along mostly okay with the CW.
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>>1395999
Quick get ready for MTV!
MAKE SURE TO SHOW OFF THE BIG ASS DOORS AT THE ENTRANCE AND THE SMART MINE GARDEN!
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>>1395982
Union 'support' is practically meaningless when they can't prevent it happening in the first place. They don't have the power.
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>>1395999
Quick, have every drone put on a funny hat to fuck with them!
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>>1396004
You ignore the factor of the Commonwealth. At the point we force them to surrender they belong to the Commonwealth.
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>>1396019
Smiley face stickers on all of the warriors.
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>>1395999
I have a radically different idea folks. How about we show some art on the walls instead of nothing but weapons and light shows?

Make it seem like we are more than just mindless invaders.
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>>1395999
good
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>>1396019
Make
Expanse
Great
Again
MEGA!
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>>1396030
this is our mister burns
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>>1396029
I like this idea PURELY because we've specifically never displayed any capacity for art until now, and to do it on a live news broadcast would leave scientist heads spinning.
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>>1396029
This too, there were some murals from the askship and BQ temple we can put here.
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>>1395979
>start furiously researching the weapons we used against them
With no samples to start from?

With only radioactive magma to study, if we permit them to land on their former planet at all?

They'd get even less far in their research than they did psionics.
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>>1395999
Nice trips QD. Looks like the Greens want this interview as much as us.
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>>1396021
I don't think the CW is willing or even able to hold that many planetary governments that actively loath them. If we are going to permit the Union to continue existing I think we are going to have to allow them a measure of sovereignty, or at least self determination. Anything else would be unacceptable to the humans that currently make up the state, which would translate into violent revolutions in short order.
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>>1396029
An uncanny blend of impressionist and surrealist art, the colors seeming somehow off but you can't put your finger on it?
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>>1396038
supporting this
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>>1396053
>I think
And that's where your argument died.
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>>1396058
Just adopt those murals artstyle from the arkship and BQ temple.
Hell we can use both, it's our embassy.
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>>1396078
Actually QD, what would you call that artstyle of those arkship+BQ temple murals?
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>>1396078
No, just make them holograms from various Expanse planets, images reconstructed as they would have been pre-human colonization.
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>>1396061
You are aware of what the term Commonwealth means, right anon?

Hint; it doesn't imply a strong centralized authority capable of forcing half their territory to follow their orders without question. Hell, if that was the case the Commonwealth never would have started their current little war with the Union.
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>>1396094
supporting
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>>1396058
I wish the mind altering effect our relays can have translated over camera. We could have our own version of starry night that invoked emotion.
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>>1396094
If we have "art" displayed on holograms, it could change in response to various triggers. Say, for example, it changing slightly every-time you look away.
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>>1396094
The Skyl home system would be a doozy.
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>>1396114
Well it might not go over camera but it can still effect the people that see it so its still a good idea
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>>1396104
>it doesn't imply a strong centralized authority capable of forcing half their territory to follow their orders without question

The name they took on is virtually meaningless. They could be the Free Alliance of Kittens and Puppies and it wouldn't change that they are a military junta ruling whatever they can of the Confederation's territory since the civilian government on Earth collapsed a hundred years ago.

That said, Sol is their most important moral victory. If we leave that alone there's a chance they'd ignore our conquest of the other rebel worlds, if we went there.
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>>1396104
I thought it meant that their wealth was pretty common.
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>>1396033
>We're gonna build a big, beautiful psychic wall, and the void gods are gonna pay for it.
>The Ceph don't send their best, they send their worst. Raiders with crystal brains.
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>>1396058
I like this idea, we could have them a constantly shifting palette of colors and shapes that seems to draw you in and shows you things you didn't see at first if you start too long at it.

Maybe even set up some psionic sensors that help give the impression of long lost starts and planets, or murals of hive doing hive things if you really let yourself get drawn into the patterns.
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>>1396122
Wasn't the skyl homeworld named after a pair of ancient figures of legend, with the other, still existing planet named after the second? Can't show one planet without the other if so.
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>>1396165
No. That's the suns.
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>>1396149
The relay range just got 10 meters longer!
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>>1396159
dont forget hiden picttures in pictures
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>>1396172
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
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>>1396143
Pfft, okay you got me.

>>1396142
I really can't wait to see how the Commonwealth reacts to a successful recapture of Sol. The victory parties they'd be throwing would be legendary.
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>>1396149
>>1396174

We make the best art! No one makes it better! They love our art!

The concept of global warming was invented by and for the Valen to make Union manufacturing non-competitive! It's true!
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>>1396220
No one makes an atmosphere better than we do.
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>>1395999
Lee manages to close out the various menus on the datapad and pull up several articles from QNN when there is a short ping from the intercom built into the office of the front of the embassy.

"Now what is it?" Lee asks, looking to your drone expectantly as he walks out into the main entrance hall of the embassy where a small speaker sits squat by the door with a well dressed human.

"Yes, that is quite impressive pronunciation for speaking an alien language, but when will Lee be available-" His face seems to light up as Lee enters. "Ah!" He says.

"I'm sorry, who are you?" Lee asks. "The parliament security seems to keep out the mobs but we've been getting a surprising amount of foot traffic here regardless."

"Of course, I'm Dean Sarkozy. I represent Van Den Broek Superluminal on behalf of the Expanse branch Gravitic matter sourcing department." He says as he firmly shakes Lee's hand. "I was hoping to have a short discussion with you of an urgent matter."

"Um, okay." Lee says. "We have an appointment in a few hours so it will have to be quick."

"Very quick, of course." Dean says as he slides the main door closed behind him. "To be specific, it's about Telarum. I'm not sure what the Hive calls it."

"They don't.... use words, really." Lee says slowly.

"Well, we understand the situation is... escalating rather quickly." He says. "Now, my superiors understand and fully accept the legitimate claims of sovereignty made by the Hive over the region, however, there are a number of issues that will naturally arise during the inevitable political transfer, especially on Calpamos and in the Telarum system. Now, you understand, I presume, that Telarum holds a rather sizeable quantity of canderon, much of which has been churned into the chronosphere by the stars' unusual rotation and proximity to one another. Now, it is true that the mining process is made more dangerous by this phenomenon, but with modern automation, the local richness still makes the system quite economically viable for stellar mining."

"Right, not a big secret." Lee says, somewhat uninterested as he looks for some catch.

"Well, we understand you have spoken with the banking clans regarding Tannhauser, and given that Telarum is lacking even the most hostile potential colony, we see no potential harm to Hive domestic interests if-"

"I get the point, get to the offer, please." Lee says as he waves his hand with impatience. Dean seems to almost bow his head.

cont.
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>>1396249
who dis fuck?
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>>1396259
The worst scum that humanity produces.

A corporate lawyer.
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>>1396249
We should actually offer free use of our "gate" drive to in exchange for political favors.
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>>1396259
Guy from one of the 2 companies that mines candewhatever.
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>>1396259
Your friendly local Canderon door to door salesman.
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>>1396249
We need to use this guy to get access to the star people for the research.
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>>1396280
We've had access to them. Their in the Wolf system. You just have to vote to go there.
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>>1396266
I wonder if he is another Valen puppet.

Also the sudden fleets through the expanse is working wonders to put pressure in the humans.
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>>1396263
No, first we should find out the competing offer from their rival corporation, Krasnikov Interstellar.

Also, of course, there will be a strict demilitarization of any stations in the system. And we'll demand to be permitted through scans and investigation of all the equipment and stuff that they keep, to make sure none of them are weapons.

So we can secretly reverse engineer the star drills.
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>>1396288
Brinkmanship is a magical thing.
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>>1396287
For what it looks like we have a source of canderon on the expanse. Maybe we can use this guy somehow.
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>>1396249
Ok, so we actually need to be careful here. Human FTL and, by extension, civilization rely on this magic star stuff. If we threaten the supply, we could have another war on our hands. They'd have to fight for it, it serves a similar purpose as oil does for modern day.
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>>1396292
Or just trade for the tech from Theseus
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>>1396293
We know that the Commonwealth maximum fleet size is limited by their Canderon income. Something to think about.
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>>1396293
They already have a cheaper supply of Canderon in the territory that we aren't claiming, in Wolf. They'll be fine.

>>1396292
Well, we could lead him into the back room and adopt him...
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>>1396293
This is only one source of it, and they're tapping multiple stars across their known space for it. As long as we don't threaten their primary source from Wolf they're not going to go to war over a single star well.
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>>1396289
Actually their current method of Canderon extraction is shit. We easily come up with a better method ourselves.
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>>1396306
Yeah it's always been known to be mined. On Wolf the Cainians mine it and in this system the guy is talking about they have needle shaped spacestations for siphoning the Canderon from it
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>>1396306
It's mined out of stars taking advantage of a slave race that is able to live on the surface of stars. I think it's only specific stars, maybe neutron.
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>>1396306
Yes. You mine it from stars... Been the case since canderon was introduced to us.
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>>1396309
We should at least see what the current baseline is.

Either we set agents on corporate espionage to steal the star drill plans, which would probably require the new Espionage Crunch system that's coming...uh....any day now, I'm sure.

Or we capture the star drills at Telarum and reverse engineer them somehow. Either with or without the corporations' consent.

>>1396306
You're not very bright are you.
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>>1396306
Nah forget it i confused Telarum with the Skyl home world.
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>>1396311
>Neutron
WRONG
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>>1396287
Except we can't because it's in union territory and probably guarded, getting permission will be easier.
Also i can't find the Wolf system in the pastebin.
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>>1396249
"Van Den Broeck would be willing to pay, in any form you may wish, for the right to remain within Telarum. As for Calpamos, it is currently our primary source of supplies. Food for employees, replacement components for equipment, and shipyard repair services for our ships and mining rigs, as well as a branch office where we organize operations and host employees during off hours. The station itself is a subsidiary of numerous conglomerate corporations and is largely owned by banking clan ventures, but if you would permit our employees to remain in the system we would be willing to buy out the assets of any company you would force to leave in order to support our efforts, and we would be more than willing to pay any taxes and tariffs as you deem necessary." He glances about the embassy as Lee and him walk their way into one of the side offices where workers lay out the fine strips of neuro-cable along the fine film of flesh covering the walls in an eggshell white that shifts its colors as if the room were floating within a passing cloud.

"Now, our sales team recommended that if the Hive finds no real desire in the energy credit of modern interstellar economic activity, we would be more than willing to either adopt your native currency or pay in percentages of Canderon, or shares of our public traded company and stock options in our numerous subsidiaries."

Several workers hang from one another from the upper levels of your embassy as they adjust the finishing touches of the outer walls when you hear some commotion down the small street.

"No, I know exactly who did it but apparently it's the one spot without a security camera!" Someone says. A man in a striped suit stumbles out of the ally as he shakes the dirt off of his jacket as several guards follow behind. "

"I'm sorry sir but if you'd like to file a complaint-"

"I'm already late! Never mind it!" The man snaps as he begins to rush down the street to your embassy. He quickly straightens his hair and adjusts his suit as he reaches for the door, only to find it has been locked.

"That bastard Sarkozy, I hope a razor trout swims up his toilet tonight." He mutters and begins to knock firmly. Within your embassy, Dean quickly shuts the door to the office as the door in the main entrance down the hall rattles loudly.

"Ah, sounds like you're still doing construction." He says suddenly. "It really is some magnificent architecture."

cont.
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>>1396324

Theseus uses the cald drive too,

so remember we can also get the tech to mine it from him for tech or as profit sharing so he can building more server ships

So keep in mind these guys aren't our only source for the mining technique to this stuff
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>>1396324
THERE'S our Krasnikov man.

Catfight!
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>>1396324
Ah great, we'll get to play these guys off against each other for maximum benefit.

QD, does our amazing mind reading ability give us any idea what these guys actual plan is and what they want?
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>>1396324
Oooh. A competitor!
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>>1396324
>pay in percentages of Canderon
That would be really nice actually.
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>>1396332
>Theseus uses the cald drive too,
No. Server ships use something novel.
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>>1396324
Let in the other guy,

Lets play them off each other

And can we also show Theseus this for his own input on this issue? He may provide a better deal or tell us when there just bullshitting
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>>1396324
And that is the other canderon company representetive. Let me guess one works with the Valen and the other doesn't?
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>>1396343
support
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>>1396348
Thought he just used cald in a more efficient manner than human drives
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>>1396324
Lets throw our Rip drive down and see how much they drool over direct transportation to Virgo.
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>>1396324
How the hell is the door in the main entrance rattling? I wanted big ass titan doors.
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>>1396358
We didn't change it much.
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>>1396351
>implying you can find a megacorp without Valen shareholders in the Union
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>>1396324
HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER!
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>>1396358
supportin dont forget the menacing eyes and deep voiced mouth for a speaker and a doorbell that sounds like tortured souls that are gettin eaten by bug demons
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>>1396350
I agree we should have Thessus help us with these businesses deals he has a better understanding of the numbers and logistics involved
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>>1396365
But how are we supposed to impress people without an amazing, intimidating, titan sized gate?
>>1396370
This guy gets it.
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>>1396372
I'm pretty sure the Hive thinkers are autistic enough for it.
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>>1396372
supporting this
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>>1396372
No, Anderson, our imminent adoptee, is the best scummiest dealy dealer. Just use his brainmeats for it once we have it plugged in to the network.
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Don't forget to add "Access to star people" on the list of things we want.
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>>1396373
We should have have them agree to deal with our health and safety inspectors.
Our health and safety inspector is Theseus.
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>>1396379
>>1396387
Im confused by this what dose this have to do with the logistics of human space companies?
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>>1396379
If they have the data.

We don't probably, but Theseus certainly would. And he'd have the analyses done already.
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>>1396392
Access to unique lifeforms in general would be good.
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>>1396397
Pretty much why i want him in this talk

Cause he got stats and intel for a century in how things operate in the union

There must be a database that has this info
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>>1396403
I cant what till humans start bring us suger cane
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>>1396392
They aren't the ones in a position to offer that. We already mentioned this.
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>>1396392
We absolutely must never forget this. Research on them would be a tremendous asset for all star related ventures.
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>>1396403
Yea it would but the companies have huge political pull on Wolf but not so much on nowhere or anywhere else.
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>>1396408
This reminds me

Does our Embassy have its very own resident Theseus yet?
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>>1396408
Well instance not database

Theseus call individual Theseus instances in the their hive mind right?
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>>1396410
that would be funny
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>>1396412
This has jack shit to do with mining Telarum.

If you want to see the exotic cold star beings, go try and ask the Union for permission to land a corvette on Wolf without being shot at. Not a private corporation that doesn't own it.

Wolf isn't even mined by corporate tech, it's mined by the primitives.
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>>1396411
Actually they are, there are only 2 companies that can mine canderon so they must have a lot of political power, they can just use that power to give us access.
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>>1396412
Why not ask for access to unique lifeforms and say the more unique the better?
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>>1396425
>there are only 2 companies that can mine canderon

Are you suuuure?
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>>1396324
A Krasnikov Interstellar representative I'm assuming? They do operate star drills in the Telarum as well.
Either way, see him in and let the Business Speaker take care of him in another office while Lee continues (we can play off their competing offers without them being in the same room).
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>>1396429
If the god damn Wolf system description was in the pastebin i would be.
How do the star people mine Canderon?
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>>1396422
I know they're not related anon, I just forgot about them myself and felt it worth stating.
Also, that's a good idea.
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We can buy Canderon from these guys, but there are other things of value they could offer.

I wonder if they could give the hive sugar or other appropriate nutrients in massive quantities in exchange for being allowed to continue mining operations in the system. We may be able to get a very substantial nutrient boost from this. (if they offer an absurdly large enough amount of food).
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>>1396445
Canderon is the only thing of value that can't be easily produced elsewhere. The entire human farming industrial complex would be physically incapable of offering enough spare nutrients (that doesn't go to feeding humans) to be worth taking instead of Canderon.
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>>1396324
A speaker scurries over to the door, quickly unlocking and opening it as the human on the other side nearly falls in. He lets out a startled shout as he leads in to his greeting.

"Ah... hello..." He says Your speaker examines the Union designed door as the human enters. "I'm Hugo Torres, assistant executive of Krasnikov Interstellar legal acquisitions department, I was hoping to speak with a representative here regarding the Telarum system." He says as he looks to your drone. The drone simply returns a blank stare, then back to the door.

"Human doors are not sufficient. Too loose and noisy." Your drone chirps. Torres looks at your drone with confusion as several workers fall from the upper levels to the street outside and begin ripping into the door with their mandibles.

"I... um was hoping to get in whenever you have time for a meeting but if you need me to make an appointment."

"Please follow." Your speaker says as it's claw grabs him by the arm and leads him down the hall to a small waiting room. A large drone rushes through the main entrance hall as he leaves, obliterating several desks and demolishing three walls as it rushes by like a freight train and then retreats back into the compact hive of the courtyard. Torres jumps forward several feet as your drone leads him into the waiting room and a chitinous chair walks up to him, planting itself beside him expectantly. He takes a seat as he looks back at the speaker.

"It will be a moment." Your drone chirps, and it becomes motionless. He looks about the room cautiously.

"Are you.... going to get anyone or..." He trails off as your drone chitters softly in the corner facing him with a blank look of disinterest.

"It will be a moment."

Lee stands next to Dean as he pulls out a number of plastic sheets of smart paper as they begin filling with documents regarding mining yield studies and cost estimates as Lee's mind is alerted to the new visitor.

>Negotiate with Dean first
>Have Lee speak with Torres
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
>Other
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
god morning and i am going to bed now
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>>1396457
>Other
Contact Theseus. Get his advice.
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>>1396454
Each human requires approximately 30 nutrients per day and there are tens of billions of humans.

Even if we only get .1% of the food that's an effective nutrient income boost of hundreds of millions of nutrients for us. Dean mentioned payment in "hive currency." Nutrients are about as close as it gets to an actual currency for us.

>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
Let the fun begin..
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>>1396457
>>1396466
Also contact Theseus.
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
Let's do it somewhere impressive, like outside in the smart mine garden or somewhere in view of a fountain.
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
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>>1396457
>>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
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>>1396457

>Have Lee speak with Torres
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
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>>1396480
supporting this
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>>1396457
>Other

Continue having Lee negotiate with Dean, but use the speaker to find out what Torres' offer is and use that to Lee's advantage in his negotiations. Speak with Torres after the meeting with Dean
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>>1396483
Eh its better to assume that hive nutrients which is mostly sugar is just not as compatible for human needs as compared to hive needs so it takes more hive food to get the same results
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>>1396487
>the smart mine garden
The embassy's enclosed in a 3-dimensional space, what could metal trees be mining here to grow with while staying within those bounds and not eating the city?
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>>1396457
>a chitinous chair walks up to him, planting itself beside him expectantly
Now THAT'S what you call convenient seating
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>>1396457
>Bring them both into the same room to discuss the matter
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>>1396508
The sewers?
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>>1396511
I like how QD emphasised that it waited expectantly that was a nice touch
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>>1396508
Metals previously implanted so that the mines can grow their fruit.
It's for looks, not for labor.
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>>1396457
>>1396480
>>1396493

Also add get Theseus to my vote
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>>1396500
>>1396457
Supporting
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>>1396500
They are both obviously refusing to deal with the speaker directly, since only deals with the human rep are legally binding.

It won't work.
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Should we also setup a terminal so Theseus can directly compete with them in the room over the cald rights?

It would show our relationship and indicate we see Theseus as an actual trade partner and would cause people in the union to rethink there stances of making deals with the unity?
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>>1396527
Ooo that sounds interesting I also vote for this.

Although I am worried that he would use it as an opportunity to shit post and mess with the union corporate types then to take it too seriously.
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>>1396527
I was going to argue against this, but we did already say that we had worked with Theseus in the past and found him to be a reliable trading partner. The cat's kind of out of the bag so there's no reason we can't bring him in here (if he wants to).

I vote yes for this.
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>>1396527
Has anyone asked how we have a peaceful relationship with the Unity?

And if not can the answer be "We didn't shoot first?"
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>>1396527
That's retarded. Why would any of that make them friendlier toward Theseus?
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>>1396527
Not the right time.
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>>1396527
Theseus might not even have star drill technology, we've never seen him use it.

He could, I guess, bluff as a fake bidder shill in these guy's bidding war. Manipulate the auction so that when we do accept a human offer it's better than it would have been.
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>>1396541
>>1396547
>>1396549
>>1396550
>>1396554
>>1396557

Yeah we openly admitted to making deals with him to them already, so that cat already out of the bag

We cant force a peace treaty but may at least make them think it possible to do fair deals with the unity
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>>1396550
They just know him as an insane AI now. The idea that he can be a peaceful and logical trading has not even crossed their human minds. Same thing with the idea of peace with Theseus. They never imagined it's possible. If we are introducing Theseus as a reasonable entity in terms of our relationship with him we can act like that for purposes of trade negotiations and the like.
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>>1396549
The general public doesn't know we are allied with Thessus only the realy big wigs whis names I forget do
Probably dont want to make a trade offer with two people that our currently at war
Just a thought
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>>1396550
Because the human comprehension of the Unity is the stereotypical faceless killdroid.

Having him present, and capable of communicating on a personal basis, will set their comprehension of him drastically off kilter, which'll also likely make them more easily manipulated.
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>>1396554
Best time,
This is just a business talk not a politic meeting and the system in question will be in our territory not union , so there laws will not apply

>>1396562
They released the congress meeting footage and we admitted to dealings with him to the reps
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>>1396562
We said we said Theseus had better first contact protocols than the Union in the big televised speech, and that we had worked with him productively. I don't think that's a secret only the elites know at this point.
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>>1396565
Allowing a Unity infection into the human capital would not go over well.

And any communication channel with Unity counts as an infection vector.
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>>1396559
>>1396561
Your literally introducing him as an enemy. Him competing is him as an enemy.
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>>1396568
I do not remember that but that being said they are still at war so some concern should be warranted
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>>1396570
Even a single computer that's incapable of connecting to any external networks?

That's not introducing him, that's proving he's already there.
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>>1396570
in our embassy, so considered sovereign hive territory

>>1396571
Him competing as a business competitor
He aint our enemy and they trying to make a deal with us over something we own, were a unrelated third party to union-unity war,
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>>1396567
>They released the congress meeting footage and we admitted to dealings with him to the reps
We don't know if it's been released yet.
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>>1396575
They won't see a business competitor they'll see an enemy AI trying to cripple their nation.
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>>1396573
Do you not remember the first couple of threads? And the more recent one where we gave Theseus intel that caused him to bomb an AAII facility?
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>>1396580
We said alright to them releasing it, so out of our hands and we should plan things taking account what we said there will be known in union society

>>1396573
It now somewhat cold with the occasional raiding and fighting

>>1396586
Tough shit, there private companies trying to make this deal, they aint the union reps now are they?
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>>1396573
I looked up a relevant quote from the archives. Here it is:

>With your statements about the attacks in your own space, I assume the Unity isn't having a very good time either?"

>"Following brief conflict during introductions, the Hive has formed a trading partnership." Your speaker says. "They have proven to be more amicable to organic life than your broadcasts would indicate. More offense has been done to this Hive by Union activity than Unity."

So we've already identified we have a trading arrangement.
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>>1396575
>were a unrelated third party to union-unity war,
Oh wait your opinion was already invalid.
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>>1396587
Wait he bombed one recently? I knew we found a smith factory but i don't remember that
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>>1396595
Im sorry what?

When have we said we entered that war?
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>>1396570
We could claim Theseus is on an isolated network that can't broadcast to the human computers.

It's complete bullshit, of course, but the humans will have a damn hard time proving it.
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>>1394741
"Great you can read my mind!"
"IGNORE ME....YES I CAN."

Priceless and in character
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>>1396600
The problem is proving we aren't.
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>>1396457
"As you can see, we already have much of the infrastructure established and with our current estimates we are expecting the location to be exceptionally rich well into the foreseeable future." Dean says as the door to the main hall opens. Your speaker walks through as Torres steps over several pieces of shredded furniture and discarded debris as dozens of workers scrub at the floors.

"Sarkozy." Hugo says flatly.

"Torres." Dean replies. "You got here quick. You've got a bit of dirt on your suit." He adds with a smirk. Torres glairs back at him as he pulls out his own pages of smart paper and several holoprojectors.

"Representative Lee, it is an honor." He says as he shakes Lee's hand.

"Will the both of your please take a seat." Lee says simply, and falls back in the air as a haptic hologram catches him. It floats back as a table forms in front of him, glowing a neon red as swirls of Skyl script characters form and dissipate faintly within the bands of hardlight. The two businessmen touch the table hesitantly before placing their papers on it, and they examine the space behind them, squatting down awkwardly until a pair of seats form from the air.

"Alright, so let me get this all straight." Lee says. "You want to either stay in or be given the right to buy out the Calpamos station as a base for your mining rigs in Telarum, and you want the exclusive rights to mine the system and export back to the Union?" Lee asks. "And I say exclusive because otherwise you wouldn't be fighting to get here first."

"That would be correct." Dean says simply.

"Not entirely." Torres adds. "My superiors at Krasnikov are hoping to enter into a larger market than simply exporting Canderon back into Union and Valen space. We understand the Hive has a rather expansive authority over the region and is on moderately good terms with a number of interstellar entities otherwise hostile to the Union itself. This is also the main reason I was hoping to speak with you... alone." Torres says.

cont.
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>>1396618
So these Krasnikov guys were wondering about making a deal with the unity through use us as middlemen?

Add unity to this discussion openly
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>>1396599
Recent to the Union public (since in-game time is different blah blah).
I believe we traded some info from Dr. Seiner's head which revealed its location and he(they?) took a rapid response.
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>>1396618
>"We understand the Hive has a rather expansive authority over the region and is on moderately good terms with a number of interstellar entities otherwise hostile to the Union itself."

Well I guess all humans aren't retarded in this setting. Should we get grow a node Theseus can use to partake in this negotiation?
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>>1396618
>and is on moderately good terms with a number of interstellar entities otherwise hostile to the Union itself. This is also the main reason I was hoping to speak with you... alone." Torres says.

Ah, so Torres wants to talk about trading with Theseus... very interesting. Perhaps we should indulge him in his request when the present meeting has concluded.
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>>1396618
>We understand the Hive has a rather expansive authority over the region and is on moderately good terms with a number of interstellar entities otherwise hostile to the Union itself. This is also the main reason I was hoping to speak with you... alone." Torres says.

huh. We should listen to his pitch to make sure it's worth bothering Theseus about, but otherwise I don't see why we can't pass any offers on.
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>>1396628
Theseus is infinite in his attention (just like us). I don't see any harm in bringing him into this discussion openly.
>>
Before accepting trade deals we should try and figure out what we want. What we want, we usually just take. The expanse for instance.
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>>1396618
"You can't sell to the Commonwealth, even if they'd let you." Dean says as he turns back to Lee. "I'm sure you know of the many painfully obtuse regulations and limitations on trade in and out of the Commonwealth. It's limited to smuggling routes almost exclusively, and that's even if the Union didn't have such strict sanctions against them."

"Not for entities headquartered within foreign space." Torres says quickly. "Again, I was hoping to speak with you alone but this proposal is entirely above board for all parties involved. Krasnikov is not simply interested in purchasing mining rights for the canderon within Telarum, but it is interested in establishing a canderon extraction subsidiary licensed and headquartered within Hive space, under whatever relevant laws you may have regarding such organizations. Judging by the gravitational distortions of the local hive fleet in orbit, or lack thereof, we assume that your ships, like the valen, do not rely on canderon for your FTL to function. Because of this instead of offering percentage shares of canderon, we would be willing to provide for you a service as a bulk middleman for extracting, refining, and exporting the canderon reserves within hive space to any you wish to have an open trade agreement with." He hands Lee a number of sheets of smart paper. "Of course, the hive would receive bulk discounts and the rights to purchase any and all refined canderon prior to export, but this way you won't have any excess stockpiles wasting space while still granting you fill access to all canderon sources within your systems, starting with Telarum and, if you find the arrangement beneficial, potentially beyond if possible." Dean shifts his weight, his seat dipping slightly as he leans in.

"This plan is entirely unfeasible. The number of individual and conflicting political arrangements would be entirely unrealistic. The Union Space Forces, and the Union itself would offer trade benefits and decreased or even negligible tariffs if they knew the canderon within your space was going entirely to the Union economy, and those of its allies."

"That would be true if the Union held anything close to a decent hand in the Expanse negotiations." Torres replies, still facing Lee." And beyond the Commonwealth there are all manner of untold possibilities regarding trade with foreign powers the Hive has managed to open trade with, even beyond those known or accepted by Humanity at large."

cont.
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>>1396635
Because it's a bad idea. Even the representative is treading lightly in front of someone.
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>>1396636
Access to the star people
And before yellow ID anon starts again, i have yet to receive information about the Wolf system or how the Star people mine the canderon.
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>>1396640
Get unity on board now to see his take on what they saying, and make them talk to the speaker

Lee is the good cop to our bad cop
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>>1396636
We would want
The cald and The cald mining tech involved
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>>1396640
Hmmmm. I'm liking what Torres is saying. Keep it up.
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>>1396640
>"That would be true if the Union held anything close to a decent hand in the Expanse negotiations."
HE GETS IT, SIGN IT SIGN IT SIGN IT, OR GIVE IT TO A DRONE TO READ AND THEN SIGN IT.
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>>1396640
>this way you won't have any excess stockpiles wasting space while still granting you fill access to all canderon sources within your systems,

He talks about stockpiles like it's a bad thing. And 'discount' but we'd still pay for it. His deal sucks. Canderon percentage is better.

Mining it all ourselves would be better still though.
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>>1396653
This tell us that they think the union going to fold on the expanse

The board must have contacts in the government that are telling them that is possible

They want a deal with us pronto
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>>1396654
Now now, let's wait for him to tell us the exact discount.
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>>1396647
I don't think we should admit we don't know how to use star drills. It puts us on a lesser bargaining level.

We should mask our acquisition of star drill tech as demanding the blueprints to Calpamos station and 'all ships stations and technology to be stationed in at Telarum'.
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>>1396640
> - even beyond those known or accepted by Humanity at large."

Sure seems like they're ready to trade with Unity
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>>1396658
The other guy's discount is 100%, anon.
>>
So it looks like what we want in the negotiation is:

1. Star people to experiment on.
2. Mining equipment to study
3. Percentage of total mining output and sovereignty in local space.
4. Possible sale/negotiation with Theseus.

Anyone have something they want to add?
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>>1396640
You know I'm not sold on either of their proposals. In either case we stand to gain a greater share by learning how to build our own star drills from the Unity and mining the Canderon ourselves.

These guys have the same fundamental problem as the Valen's bid to mine Tannhauser, they have nothing to offer us but possible good will with local trading networks outside of the hive, and those trade networks can't bring us anything we can't make ourselves.
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>>1396662
If we do this we should also negotiate for the right to oversee the construction and any retrofits/maintenance with a drone presence, we can write it off as a security measure and keeping peace in our space from infiltrators. Gets us closer and is in our MO
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>>1396527
This sounds good.
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>>1396669
We not going to get star people thru them
That would cause a shitstorm

We have to send a someone ourselves tothe star people do it

They want the ability to live on other stars right? we offer a deal about making it possible for them to live on other stars since that what the union deal with them is in exchange for the cald
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>>1396670
Ideas anon. Creativity is still our greatest weakness.
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>>1396670
Yes, although we can just conquer Telarum and take the star drills right now by force.

Actually, as condition to negotiations, first we should have our 'inspection run'.

We aren't going to consider any deals before we investigate the current setup of their star mining to see if either is satisfactory.

Then there'd be no promise broken if we decided, actually, we won't take either deal, thank you for your offers.

Although we can act as middleman to sell Canderon to Theseus I guess. if they don't get Telarum.
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>>1396640
Well Torres is the man. Really only the inefficient human door was stopping him from his progress.
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>>1396640
"The maniacs at Krasnikov can't possibly want to sell refined canderon to the Unity!" dean says.

"Of course not!" Torres replies. "Krasnikov Interstellar is a Union company which is dedicated to employing over two million Union citizens and supporting the last bastion of human democratic liberal civilization left in the universe, and as such are entirely bound to Union trade law. Any corporation founded within alien jurisdiction whose governing entity has not signed any of the Toliman treaties or other such interstellar regulations, however, has no such legal obligation." He taps the smart paper as it lights up to show a number of star drills and their optimal orbits within the Telarum system a slight smile grows across his face. "As I said, entirely above board in every way for all parties involved."

"That's insane, you can't sell to every party in a three way war like that!" Dean says, and quickly turns to Lee. "I am sure you know full well such a plan would create all manner of diplomatic issues with trade agreements with just about everyone in known space."

"Don't worry, we are also prepared to give you a generous offer to purchase your mining equipment in the system as well. And your offices in Calpamos station, we plan on expanding a bit." Torres says as he glairs to Dean beside him.

>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
>Ask Dean about details of his offer
>Ask Torres about details of his offer
>Agree to one of their offers (write in)
>Other
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
And also speak to the commonwealth since this also includes possibilities for them
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>>1396681
Are you that susceptible to being buttered up anon? It's to his advantage to say stuff like that here, whether or not he believes it.
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>>1396682
>>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
If this is all well and 'above the board' as you say we shall briefly need to consult involved parties.

Contact Theseus ASAP
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>>1396682
>>Ask Dean about details of his offer
>>Ask Torres about details of his offer
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
Yeah he would know best on how to proceed with this although his desire to get access to Canderon so easily might color his opinion
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
>Ask Torres about details of his offer
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement

Dean's right this would cause yet another diplomatic shitstorm if everyone knew we were selling to Theseus. Let's talk it through with Unity first privately, and maybe engage with Torres about it when Dean is out of the room.. If we can be subtle/plausibly deniable about Unity involvement for now it's for the best.

Also

>Other (Write in)
>What is our mind-reading picking up on this?
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>>1396682

I feel like any sort of trade deal we make with the humans is just us making a pass at playing along. Anything they can mine, we can mine more of and faster. Anything they can make, we can make more of and cheaper.

What is it that humans have that we don't? Humans. Humanity.

How about for all trade deals with humans they supply engineers and scientists as Hive children (Citizens). If they don't actually add anything to our research, we can at least have them experiment with psionics like the White Queen did.
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>>1396682
>"I am sure you know full well such a plan would create all manner of diplomatic issues with trade agreements with just about everyone in known space."

You mean chaos? Done.
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>>1396692
Well it would be easier for him just to either give us the tech in exchange for a share of the cald or request purchasing the system outright from us

Whats bigger for him is the possibility of having long term deals with a major corp in the union and using that as a springboard for his future plans

>>1396698
not going to happen, that feed thoughts of slavery
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
>Other
"What is the specific numbers of the Bulk discount, your friend over there is offering 100% off."
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
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>>1396682
>>Other
The hive has sent a very small survey fleet to Telarum and Koenig.

Which of you will demilitarize your outposts, and permit the hive to land drones to investigate and inspect your systems for other weapons and the adequacy of your technology, both in Telarum and at Calpamos?
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
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>>1396682
>>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
>Ask Dean about details of his offer
>Ask Torres about details of his offer
>Other
"You have to understand that the none of what you have just offered is beyond what the Hive may gain on it's own without your expertise. The hive will require more than simply a percentage of Canderon processed or a share of the profits acquired thereof."
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>>1396682
>Speak with Unity about a potential canderon trade arrangement
Also, read their damn minds if we have the means available.
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>>1396706
Oh hey, now that's how you play hardball in negotiations, supporting this.
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>>1396706
changing vote to this
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>>1396706
That might work.
>>
That remind me has the CW started to send shipments of cald to us yet?

If they haven't maybe add a request for the cald mining tech in exchange for less cald to be sent to us as payment
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>>1396682
Guys keep in mind we also have that space city under construction in Desmond perhaps we could offer that and a few other fuel and maintenance side perks to whoever we turn down with this deal.
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>>1396706
Yea sure, add this to mine.
I don't see the value on just getting canderon ourselves when we can get more through trade deals with these guys but research is good.
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>>1396719
That gives us 3 different sources to get the tech, unity, commonwealth or union corps
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>>1396682
I don't really care about them building things in our territory but there are some rules I'd like as a base
1. Hive infestructure and industry has priority over others while we might allow a merging of structure if we want something gone it has to go
2. Ftl travle is limited to specific areas with in a system ships that don't enter or leave from those areas will be considered hostile
3. Xenos will have to live in hive controlled habitats as a rule this is for scanning for illegal goods and insuring general health and numbers of Xenos in hive space (while allowing us to sell stuff to them)
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>>1396706
This could work.

Also, we really should be reading their minds here. That's one of our top advantages, after all.
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>>1396706
Ooooooooo vote
on top of Unity talky talk
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>>1396730
The second one can be done by offering free transportation using the Rip drive.
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And now i worried about the status of the void shard in the mirage wreck
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>>1396682

Changing my vote from this:
>>1396695

to this:
>>1396706

We still need to read their minds to see exactly what they're thinking and what they want, though. Unless these guys too have the "anti-Valen" training - which in itself would be revealing.
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>>1396733
oh man, rip drive based space trams between every system
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>>1396734
Didn't the commonwealth collect the share and give it to us as a precondition of our assistance against the Scavs?
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>>1396706
I like this.

Also, we need to include the artifact stipulations somewhere as well, i.e "Even if it is unlikely to come up in your business, do remember that all artiffacts in the Expanse are ours, and should be reported should any be found."
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>>1396732
>>1396731
>>1396725
>>1396735
>>1396716
>>1396715
>>1396712
>>1396706
You guys do realize this might reveal our hand.
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>>1396736
Be careful, the will piss off the gate Valen.
Our Rid drive transportation must be handled carefully.
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>>1396733
I know but some wise ass intrapreneur will probably think he can cut corners or even try smuggling so its a contingency
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>>1396741
Yeah it was our condition for aid

The shard in the mirage and some cald for us to aid them against the scav

But we haven't got an update on the mirage shard or cald delivery so who knows

>>1396745
They know we have dealings with the unity
They admitted to want to use us as a middleman t make deals with unity and also the CW
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>>1396741
They agreed to do that but they still haven't recovered the mirage wreckage.
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>>1396745
There's a chance. But it's carefully framed so that there's a good chance it won't.

If they're desperate enough they'll look past exposing patented technology to a third party.
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>>1396745
Inspections to make sure they don't mistreat their workers and or use sub par equipment is pretty basic.

once we see the tech we can give them the OK that it isn't shit while telling them it is just barely not shit enough then make improved hive versions of the drills if we want.
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>>1396753
Maybe.
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>>1396706
Also, I guess, to truly 'inspect' the human star drill stations, we need to bring USB dongle drones like we used in early threads, so we can look into their computer systems.
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>>1396749
I meant we don't have any way of mining the Canderon. Hell anything we do could reveal it.
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>>1396747
you've got a point there.
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>>1396745
What, our scouting fleets are common knowledge. Or at least they will be by 22:30 Gemini local time.
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>>1396745
Reveal what?

We sent "small survey fleets" fucking everywhere, that's why people are rioting outside, and they either know or strongly suspect our associtation with Unity already, hence the guy blatantly looking to broker a deal with them.
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>>1396682
>>Ask Dean about details of his offer

We push Dean to give better offer, but I got feel we are more interested of accepting Torres offer as they are right now.

Whatever we do, lets pick one of them, we are not pussyfooting out of this like in Valen meeting.
And we better reopen them as Valens are in pure panic and will accept any offer we make right now
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>>1396682
"The Hive will require an extensive examination of all installations within Hive space." your speaker chirps.

"Of course, we would be more than happy to give you a full tour of our facilities." Torres says, Dean echoes the statement. You sense the statement makes them nervous. They seem to sense some kind of hesitation in your request, as if they believe you are stalling or seeking excuses to deny their request, then their minds quickly leap to blaming the other for such a potential outcome, and the fear of immediate unemployment. Their minds slowly ebb into a deliberate static of concentration. You recognize the tactic, but it is far less potent than that of the Valen representative, as memories of the seminar in which they learned the mental trickery fade in and out of their minds sporadically mixed with images of their own briefings on the assignment. The maws of several valen flash by, as seen from the front of holographic personnel files, the valen you ate dinner with just the other night, with various broken memories of studying private communiques to and from the high ranking aliens, gathered by the two mega corporations through either bribery or espionage, or some combination.

All in all, the more they seem to hide from your mind, the more of their motivation to do so bleeds to the surface in shattered, muffled shards of thought, like something swimming just beneath the surface of a murky pond, and the thoughts are gone again.

>Attempt to probe deeper into their minds
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
>Other
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>>1396781
>>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
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>>1396781
>Attempt to probe deeper into their minds
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>>1396781
>>Attempt to probe deeper into their minds

>>Other
While we probe their minds have Lee ask questions about their assignment and why they have come here so suddenly. Possibly have a few random hive drones barge in at opportune times if it serves to distract them.

Also, open up a back channel with Theseus. Let's see what he knows about these guys and what his interests may be. Don't introduce Theseus to the reps yet, though.
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
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>>1396781
>Other
Question them of their hidden motivations. The hive is very very blunt by all accounts. We can hear what they are thinking anyway so it would be the more polite option for them to just be forth coming. The two of them are the first humans to ever stand to make real negotiations with us in union space after all. They aught to build the right for us to trust them
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>>1396781
So even the union corps are doing adhoc psi defense research
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>>1396797
They're well aware of Valen empathy trick already. They don't call it psi do they.
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>>1396797
Luckily we should have advanced psionic reading unlocked any day now, which should help us cut through the psi defenses the corp guys may have learned. It's been on the research roster forever.

>>1396796
Nah, let's not spill the mind-reading abilities to the humans too - at least not unprompted. By all accounts if the Valen know that information will spread, but likely will spread slowly.
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
When we do the inspection, we should offer free "healthcare" for the employees and have Theseus hack all the machines. We can have our first sleeper hive.
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations

Not worth of possible reputation hit if we start "mind attacking" our guests.

>Other, probe later when we are alone with one of em.
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>>1396781
>Other
What is the discount you're offering me, Torres?
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
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>>1396803
1 We already have sleeper hives.
2 That is too dangerous.
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>>1396804
I guess we could do this... We'd need to be very careful that they don't have any secret monitoring devices if we're actually going to hook them into a brain scanner.

>Not worth of possible reputation hit if we start "mind attacking" our guests.
Humans are "blind" right? So in theory shouldn't be any way for them to figure out we're trying to read them.
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>>1396781
>>Attempt to probe deeper into their minds
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>>1396780
>Whatever we do, lets pick one of them, we are not pussyfooting out of this like in Valen meeting.

No. Delaying the Valen meeting made sense. We came up with better reasons to accept the deal later.

Also, neither of their deals are worth giving up mining Canderon ourselves.

We can have a separate deal, without Telarum involved, letting Krasnikov setup a subsidiary under hive law and paying taxes in Canderon maybe. But it would be inefficient to let humans mine our Canderon, but admitting we're rejecting them right now is less useful than stringing them along.
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>>1396814
Just because we let the humans mine doesn't mean we're offering "exclusive" mining rights. We can let the humans mine and mine it ourselves too...
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>>1396812
I'm pretty sure in the Psionic reading description it said there's a chance the target detects the reading, it didn't specify if humans can or cannot but it's better to be on the safe side and assume they can.
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>>1396809
We have a hive full of parasited humans who don't realize it? Danger is all in how careful you are.
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>>1396814
>>1396816
Both of these are good ideas, as long as we carefully balance how much each mines we can stay on their good side.
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>>1396816
They obviously want it to be exclusive, explicitly, I'm sure that's gonna be explicit in the wording they want.
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>>1396819
They are called the sewer workers.
The one we parasited, remember.
We also have the gemini taidens and the bedrock hive.
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>>1396803
>random free healthcare from aliens
>thinking they would ever accept something so suspicious
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
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>>1396781
>>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
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>>1396824
What do they do if we pull a Vader?
>"I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further."

It's not just the Union government that's been dealt a shit hand.
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations
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>>1396832
Don't anger them man, we need them for Star People and other shit.
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>>1396835
We don't. Or there's no good reason to think we do. What is with this meme.

>>1396832
It would be very effective, but good luck convincing anons to vote for it.
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>>1396838
Dude wants starpeople

Not sure why he thinks we need to go thru them though

We can just send some ships to there star and make a deal with them without union middlemen
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>>1396838
>We don't. Or there's no good reason to think we do. What is with this meme.
I have yet to receive the description of the Wolf System or how the Star people mine the canderon.
Until i do i will vote for "Access to Wolf and it's natives" to the deal.
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>>1396832
Nothing, because there's nothing they could do.

That said, being known as a wordbreaker won't be isolated to just this company; everyone with eyes and ears inside the Union would find out.

>>1396838
This guy in particular is hellbent on it for some reason.
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>>1396840
Why wouldn't the Star people be guarded by a union fleet? they're a subjugated species.
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>>1396844
What? It's the humans who are blind, star people are for research.
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>>1396841
We sent pods all thru out union space

We probably know where it is but haven't made first contact with them since we wanted to stay hidden from the union

>>1396846
So?,
we got the union bent over the table, you think there willing to go to war over stopping us from making contact with them if there not willing to fight us over the expanse?

>>1396844
that has nothing to do with them
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>>1396847
I was referring to the "and other shit" from >>1396835 but it was unclear so I deleted it.
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>>1396848
I dunno, depends on how important the star people are to the union.
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>>1396851
Not very other the fact they live on the oil
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>>1396781
>Leave them be and continue the negotiations

You bring the matter to Theseus's attention with a quick mental ping, and it is returned in kind as you send a quick mental data packet to bring him up to speed on the situation.

"The proposal is surprising." He says. "However it would provide both a sufficient method of canderon reserve regeneration in the wake of recent heavy losses while providing a potential open communications link into human space through which a more amicable status quo could potentially be achieved."

"You would agree to purchase regular supplies of bulk canderon?" You ask, he offers a ping in confirmation.

"Yes. Payment can be rendered in laundered credits, crypto-currency, bulk shipments of mass produced goods or raw materials made to specifications on demand, and should they accept it, mass cloud computing services for calculations of complex anti-particle research often required by corporations involved in exotic matter extraction and production."

>Have Lee speak with Torres alone
>Have Lee speak with Dean alone
>Agree to one of their offers (write in)
>Refuse their offers
>Other
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>>1396857
>Other
Bring this up with the commonwealth

>Have Lee speak with Torres alone
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>>1396857
>Have Lee speak with Torres alone.
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>>1396857
>>Have Lee speak with Torres alone

Make sure we have the rights to do some mining for personal use in the ultimate negotiation.
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>>1396857
I forgot, ask heretic if he wants in on this.
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>>1396857
>>Have Lee speak with Torres alone

Okay, what if.

They give up on Telarum, in exchange for incorporating a corporation in hive space for their wheeling dealing.
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>>1396857
>Have Lee speak with Torres alone
Be sure to bring up the thing about all artifacts belonging to us, if they should happen to "find" any mixed in their shipments.
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>>1396857
>Have Lee speak with Torres alone

>>1396857
>>1396861
>Other
>Bring this up with the commonwealth
This too.
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>>1396857
>Other
>in the wake of recent heavy losses
Theseus, buddy, you need help you ask alright, you dont get to be a lone wolf anymore, you have friends. Who needs a big stick to be beaten into them,
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>>1396869
Any deal Theseus makes will affect Heretic as well. They're almost one singular physical entity by now
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>>1396857
>Agree to one of their offers (Torres)
He came in knowing he was about to get sniped and under cut us and strait up told us that we are sitting on a corprate loophole that means they get to function fully as a Union Corperation and buy out 100% of mined candaron and sell it strait to the unity.

This will provide us with an open channel into union business and politics and hes also been the most upfront with us if only by the luck of arriving at the embassy second.
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>>1396879
We already know the locations where he lost server ships anon.
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>>1396880
Yes but mentioning to Torres that he'll be trading with the skyl, even if through a third party, will get us more on the deal.
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>>1396879
He took those heavy losses fighting our enemies anon
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>>1396886
Point taken
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>>1396883
Being upfront doesn't mean his deal is good.

Mining Canderon on our own is still viable.

We could allow him to setup a hive corporation for a price though. In exchange for the technology to drill on our own, if we admit that weakness to him at all? Might be unwise when we can sneaky-sneaky it in our inspection tour.
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>>1396896
Actually, we can't really know if he's truly upfront, since we haven't risked trying to completely read his mind.

There could be wheels within wheels here.
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>>1396887
mutual enemies.

Anyone wonder what OQ thinks about the server ships? So far every race has some level of psi ability with the humans being the weakest and the very concept of an AI was absurd to the barren queen. Anyone think shes losing her shit trying to figure out how Hes developed such perfect psionic shielding
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>>1396887
>>1396884
Oh the battle over nowhere? I- oh man, here I was thinking he must have already recovered from that and mounted some other campaign because that happened 10 threads ago, but I just realized our industry must seriously even outstrip his. 10 days and we can replace anything, but poor bot-husbando is still struggling to replace one supercap. What a strange feeling this is.
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>>1396905
I never thought of that and now it's making me smile.
The again she lived in the times of the skyl(And was even the one who suggested freeing them) so she probably knows about the Heretic creation plan.
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>>1396910
And the battles with OQ

He cant rebuild as fast as us
Still faster than the humies and whales though
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Could our hologram technology be developed to make Holographic Cloaking? Making ships invisible is one thing, but disguising them is another, and it could be used for false flags.
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>>1396916
What threads was he fighting OQ, omg do you mean from the threads way back when we settled our outpost on 0-1? Holy shit we are some advanced space ants
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>>1396920
Her initial invasion was against the unity till she changed focus to hunting our ass down when she discovered our existence when our ships help defend Zero One,

She hit unity in a lot more systems than just in Zero One and she hit hard
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>>1396857
>point out the other offer we have from space crabs currently and see if we can get either to give more.
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>>1396898
hes being "upfront" at this point his deal is about the one star if we have other places where we can use our own tech to mine it ourselves but in the end we dont need candaron. how much better of a deal do we want? we already get
100% buy out
full acceptance on terifs
full unilateral access to their facilities already in the system

the only way to make that deal any more usurious in our favor was to leave us with the ability to set the price of all candaron exported.

he thinks he can use it as a spring board to sell directly to the unity and commonwealth using us as a cover. We can simply agree to his deal and then claim we did not understand his elbow jabs and twitching eyelid as anything other then an unfortunate lack of proper medical science in the union. possibly even a side effect of having to few hearts.
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>>1396857
>>Have Lee speak with Torres alone
Bring up that the other guy was willing to offer us far more canderon, that should make him sweat.
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>>1396932
Singularity projectors are sweet, and dovetail extremely well with gravity thrusters on the surrounding fleet. Canderon is very useful to put on battleships and hive ships.

"buyout" is still another way of saying "you have to pay for the Canderon". The other guy gives us Canderon for free. And the other guy also allows access to his stations and accepts hive imposed tariffs. None of those are really that special.

And we can make the deal better by instead trading star drill technology for incorporating their subsidiary. That would, yeah, allows us to set the price of all Canderon exported, because we're the ones mining it and exporting it if we ever need credits for something.
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>>1396932
>hes being "upfront" at this point his deal is about the one star if we have other places where we can use our own tech to mine it ourselves

Both of them are making a deal about this one star. They're both quite open about what they want.

He's just a little more ambitious because he hopes we'll also sell him other stars for him to mine instead of us doing it.

> starting with Telarum and, if you find the arrangement beneficial, potentially beyond if possible."
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>>1396857
Lee looks over the sheets of smart paper for some time as his thoughts and yours take note of the various details of the proposed plan. It seems promising, and Theseus is willing to agree on his end, but you have questions, and you would prefer the answers not be given to your new partner's largest rival.

"I think we should speak more on this privately." Lee says and he turns to Dean. "We'll be sure to get back to you when we can."

"But sir, I really think if you'd just let me-"

"Don't call us, we'll call you." Lee says, and Dean's seat begins to float out the door as he struggles to dig his feet into the floor. Another speaker quickly arrives and helps him up.

"Please move feet more quickly. The Hive will likely not contact you, that was a human expression to show politeness but was inaccurate."

"But, I could come back? Or after your meeting... I can wait outside for when you have a spare moment?" Dean says quickly as he gathers his things. Your speaker chitters back.

"You may wait. The street is public property." The door to the room opens to a well polished tile floor as workers rush back and forth, carving ornate designs lifted from ancient Ralighan, Skyl, and Phantom designs depicting various Hive-influenced events of legend, and as the speaker escorts him out of the freshly built doorway seven workers march forth with a massive, eight foot chitinous door and slide it into place with a loud, reverberating thud as the door's apatrue grips the frame and its muscles begin to anchor themselves into the wall.

"Now, mister Torres." Lee says quickly. "I'd say the Hive is rather interested in your offer but that's just my observation. What would be the kind of income we would be seeing from this?"

"We would pay any tax you deemed fair, of course, so long as it remains economically viable to run. We would like to request work visas for experienced labor if that's a requirement you have, but should humans choose to remain in your space after the move we will attempt to hire locally. In light of this, we will be encouraging our current employees to remain in Hive space. I would only request you keep in mind we will be offering some rather extreme above-market salaries to help encourage the more skilled engineers to remain when you set your tax and tariffs, and whatever other fees you may require for legal corporate activity."

"And the discount you're offering?" Lee asks.

"At cost. The money paid would largely be taken out of the profits given to you, so depending on how much you choose to purchase you could consider it to be a fractional compensation in credits or canderon. We would prefer to deal in credits as opposed to some other form of currency stand-in, but everything is negotiable."

>Ask additional questions
>Agree to the terms
>Refuse the terms
>Other
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>>1396965
>>Ask additional questions
About your interests with the unity and commonwealth

Have they already tried to establish contact with them?

About sharing the tech involved
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>>1396965
Quick question QD, how would the union react to us sending a fleet to Wolf to establish and study the Star people?
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>>1396965
>>Other
Attempt mental probing. He seems to have struck secret arrangements with the Valen and we need to analyze these before we consider any agreement.
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>>1396965
>>1396975
Also backing
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>>1396965
>Ask additional questions
about unity and commonwealth
then
>Agree to the terms
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>>1396965
>>Refuse the terms
We can do better.

>Ask additional questions
How much is the incorporation of the subsidiary itself on its own worth to you?
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>>1396975
This too.
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>>1396975
>>1396982
>struck secret arrangements with the Valen

They did no such thing.

Or at least their thoughts showed no such thing. They viewed holographic personnel files of the Valen they spied on. via espionage.

if anything the secret arrangements were with the underlings they paid to spy on them.
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>>1396970
ditto

ditto
nah

>>1396974
we should probably send an official request through channels for that rather then our usual modus operandi
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We could probably get away with retroactive taxation for all the profits they extracted from our territory before now.
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>>1396970
>About your interests with the unity and commonwealth
Sure

>Have they already tried to establish contact with them?
Yeah

>About sharing the tech involved
Nah. This will come around later, I think.

Also:
What kind of response should we expect from your competitor?
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>>1396999
Part of dealing with Valen is that they see debts of favors as more valuable than money. We give them a good deal, and as long as they know it was a "generous gift" can expect good returns from them in the future.
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>>1397003
>dealing with Valen
Boy good thing there aren't any of those spacegators here.
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>>1397006
They own these guys, so might as well be dealing with them.
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>>1396986
how? I mean ya once we have the tech, which we will have by taking the system anyway, we can then grow better tech. Outside of that we are getting more out of making a deal on the social end then from the Canderon. We get to show Theseus working as a free willed scentient buissness partner and we show ourselves being willing to work with the woefully inferior and inefficient lesser races. ultimately becoming everyone in the unions favorite aunt.
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>>1397008
Nah as QD once said (although it might have been in the talk thread) other races will have different paths of science open to them like humans and power taps even though we have our own we can't study it or improve it would be similar for other techs too
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>>1397008
We can allow the incorporation of a subsidiary that trades with Theseus, gaining the social benefits, without giving up the star system.

And we won't be able to use the tech as we've sold the mining rights to the sole star system outside of human-controlled space with Canderon to mine, if we accepted the deal as-is. They want exclusive rights.
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>>1396965
>>Ask additional questions
Wait. Paying above market salaries for more skilled engineers?

It would be cheaper if hive Thinkers and drones provided the labor you needed those for, and they can pass the savings on to us.
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>>1397022
They won't accept that, they need the PR that comes from having human workers.
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>>1397022
Got to leave a human business human,

Cant do THERE TAKING OUR JOBS on them

There going to need the employment pr back in the union for there defense against others in union politics
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>The door to the room opens to a well polished tile floor as workers rush back and forth, carving ornate designs lifted from ancient Ralighan, Skyl, and Phantom designs depicting various Hive-influenced events of legend

Neet.
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>>1396965
"So what exactly are your interests with the Unity?" Lee asks. "This seems to have come out of nowhere."

"Out of nowhere indeed." He replies. The footage was grainy and terrible quality, but we both know that the Hive has worked with the Unity on joint military ventures against Union facilities on at least one occasion, even beyond the minor trade agreements illuded to by the Hive Speaker on your first arrival. Unity technology needs canderon just as much as human tech does, much of it is based on human tech in the first place, and we know now it's lost at least one server ship. Those things cost a lot of canderon, so the Unity is going to be hungry for it, and after the Union drove them back from Telarum, even taking out a server ship at Juric, I doubt the Unity has much in the way of easy access to a proper source." He adjusts the images of the smart paper again, showing estimations of the statistics of a Server ship of various classifications, specifically the estimations of how much canderon its various known systems are beleived to require.

"Two lost ships at least, with no source. That creates demand. Normally we would be rather hesitant to sell to an entity hostile to human life, but your comments regarding the Unity's amiability when you first arrived made us curious with just how accurate the modern depiction of the Unity is."

>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
>Do not
>Other
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>>1396965
Poor Dean, oh well such is live in the space.

>Agree to the terms
>>Ask additional questions >>1396970
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>>1397022
>>1396682
"Of course not!" Torres replies. "Krasnikov Interstellar is a Union company which is dedicated to employing over two million Union citizens and supporting the last bastion of human democratic liberal civilization left in the universe, and as such are entirely bound to Union trade law. Any corporation founded within alien jurisdiction whose governing entity has not signed any of the Toliman treaties or other such interstellar regulations, however, has no such legal obligation." He taps the smart paper as it lights up to show a number of star drills and their optimal orbits within the Telarum system a slight smile grows across his face. "As I said, entirely above board in every way for all parties involved."

He needs the site employing as many humans as possible to protect the company pr

>>1397030
>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
Make sure it isnt a trap for the unity sakes
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>>1397030
Wait... this might actually be worth the risk now. We have him alone.

>>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind

If this fucks up, we can adopt him and erase his recent memory of this.
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>>1397030
>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind.
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>>1397030
>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind

Warm up the dice boys. I sense a roll incoming.
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>>1397030
>>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
This won't back fire at all!!!
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>>1397030
I got mixed feeling of this guy
He certainly is shadier, and most likely we ended up with shadier company too, but this will help our allies a lot.

>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
He can't whine if he gets good deal from us
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>>1397030
>>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
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>>1397030
>Do not

I must dissent.
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>>1397047
Whether he complains matters less than him blabbing about us reading his mind to others, spreading the paranoia faster than it already is.

And if we find out this is a Union government black-op to locate Unity assets, we still have to play along as if we don't know that, but Theseus will have the warning he needs to keep them on a wild goose chase.

And I still wonder if those inflated engineer salaries aren't actually just a way of embezzling and raising their prices on us.
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>>1397030
>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind

Please roll 1d100, best of 3.
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>1397057
We have to go DEEPER.
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Rolled 34 (1d100)

>>1397057
For mother!
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Rolled 51 (1d100)

>>1397057
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>>1397060
Welp, GG
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>>1397060
Well then...
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>>1397056
It will be, it's the easiest way to raise cost price. Then they recoup it via providing the supplies for the station with a large markup.
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>>1397060
Damn son. Just bend those dice over and fuck them raw.
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>>1397060
Guess we went deep. We now know all of his memories.
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>>1397060
Share your secrets with Mother
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>>1397060
fucking hell anon
Good show
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>>1397030
>>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
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>>1397071
Tragically somehow Advanced Psionic Reading still isn't unlocked, though telekinesis is despite being a slower research subject started later.

TK must've had really good rolls.
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>>1397030
>Attempt to probe deeper into his mind
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>>1397076
>>1397078
Anons, uh...
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>>1397060
Damn, son.
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>>1397081
Yeah, I know, I know.
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>>1397081
I admit, I was rather taken aback by how quickly that vote went compared to the last ones.
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If he's hiding something important, should he get adopted to find out more?
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>>1397090
Sometime, hivemind is very strong, sometimes.
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>>1397098
>should he get adopted
Yes.
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>>1397090
Not really were at the point were the sane reasonable and moral people have gone to bed all thats left are the crazies and people sleep deprived enough to not care
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>>1397098
No, not worth the risk given anyone who enters our embassy and leaves is under immediate surveillance and he will be med checked before and after entering to see if we did anything
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>>1397106
Human get out, this is a Thinker thread.
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>>1397110
>med checked before and after entering to see if we did anything

That seems extremely unlikely.

For one thing, we are reading his mind and could probably see if they did any such med testing before he came here.
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>>1397115
Unlikely? we saw them both be given basic anti psi course in defense

It just common sense to do a before and after check since they know we use biotech and understand we are more advance then them in a lot of tech
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>>1397122
>we saw them both be given basic anti psi course in defense

That is a basic goddamn seminar for dealing with Valen as many high powered businessmen do, it has nothing to do with us specifically.
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Wait, if the secret plot is to screw with Unity somehow, we can arrange a way to find out about it later, and use that outrage as an excuse to alter the deal.
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>>1397122
ya that's because the Valen are such space jews. and all intelligent life is psionic to some degree minus our mothers blinding, so the fact that they caught on is mad props to human ingenuity and gumption.
I would be interested in learning if the sunbros are psionic since outside of Mom blinding the humans and Theseus being a product of human tech they thought that it was a prerequisite to sentience.
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>>1397146
>all intelligent life is psionic to some degree minus our mothers blinding

No. This has been corrected multiple times now. Psionic life is just more common than you'd expect. Protohumans were psionic. Valen apparently are slightly psionic. Taidarens, Ralighans, unmodified Skyl, they aren't at all. Their brains can't transmit tachyons.
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>>1397151
The unmodified skyl were non-sentient lizardbirds. and tidarens do have their triplet link thing which I thought had a psionic component. ralighans are the only ones that wouldn't fit, but would they even be considered truly sentient. communal and social sure, but so are prairie dogs.
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>>1397168
>but would they even be considered truly sentient
Nigger they make weapons and have an oral tradition that goes back hundreds if not thousands of years. They're people in every way
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>>1397170
ya, I think that was just our mothers snootyness coming through.
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>>1397151
>No. This has been corrected multiple times now.
I do not believe you are correct in this assumption.
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When we sent hybrids to Djin, did they bring flies and parasites to deal with witnesses?

Should they have kept a bio-tank on the pod for on-site dissection of the Thing?
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>>1397188
I don't know, if it's just the Hybrids we can send more pods for all that stuff.
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>>1397173
The confusion was first clarified in thread 59.6 >>>/tg/49013314 and it's recurred in several threads since then, including the correction. Possibly the same guy.
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>>1397188
Honestly I would think flies, parasites, and flying parasites should be a standard equipment for any agent operating outside of the hive, be they hybrid or drone.
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>>1397203
I already have my popcorn.
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>>1397057
Your speaker looks into him, his mind unfolding as you pry at his thoughts. Lee grimaces as his mind feels the slow, pulsing flow of your mental signal gripping the room, the sensation creating a low humming buzz in his inner ear as his eyes stutter, making the room seem as if it were shaking.

"This deal could make or break this company as the dominant canderon distributor for the foreseeable future." The man speaking is incredibly old, his voice synthetic as it emanates from the speakers beside the medical tank. His body is shriveled and skeletal with only a few strands of hair left on his head. His eyes are artificial, and watch Torres with unwavering intelligence entirely unfitting to the rest of his appearance. His gaze is almost physically felt, as if at any moment he could step out of the tank and attack, even as the tank itself is projected from some distant starship orbiting the local star at some fraction of light speed.

"Yes, Mr. Krasnikov. I understand fully. I've read the reports provided. In the short time available I believe we have assembled an excellent plan." The room is silent for a long time as the hologram flickers slowly as it waits for the complete response to arrive.

"I have read the plan and approve, but the time scale has proven too small for me to provide direct oversight. You will hold the responsibility for this, be it fortune or failure. You will lead this foray into uncharted space, and you will either reap its rewards, or you will fall on your own sword."

"Yes sir." Torres says quickly, and after another wait, the hologram ends, and the lights of the room come back on. He lets out a deep breath he only now realizes he was holding this entire time, and looks down at the intel files. "Are we sure this intel is good?" He asks the room.

"There's no telling with Valen, but this has them spooked real bad this time." Someone says, one of the intel team's managers. Torres can't recall his name, but he recalls he is an ex-sec-comm agent, and more often than not, while he gets the job done, he refuses to report how. When you get to a certain level of administration, there are things below your pay grade that you do better to not know. How his team gathers the data they do is often one of those things.
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>>1397197
If you're referring to QD's post >>>/tg/49013314, that really isn't much of a clarification at all, it raises more questions than answers really. Which is probably his intent there, can't have us having all the answers.

>>1397203
You just know it's gonna be some good shit we're going to get out of his head.
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>>1397209
Hey look, another incredibly old, incredibly rich, incredibly powerful, dying man in need of our tender care.
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>>1397215
Pretty impressive that he not only went into a medical tank, but entered into a time dilating starcraft to prolong his own life. That right there takes some serious dedication to commit to.
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>>1397215
Well one more for the list of possible adopted ones.
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>>1397197
QuestDrone !!tu02dh0DlTY 08/26/16(Fri)22:38:48 No.49013258

"Are you aware of any limitation in their psionics?" You ask as a worker scurries up to help her lift herself from the nest of cloth. "Any kind of life they cannot detect?"

"No True life is entirely undetectable." She says with a hint of dismissal. "That is why they are alive." Your minds attempt to clarify the meanings and concepts. The genetic data and its specific architecture and composite materials, the definition of life. The Barren Queen looks at your speaker in momentary confusion as you reach a corrected agreement on concepts.

"Carbon life, made from the genetic material we use, yes. That is life." She says. "These silicates, they are not. A star changes, lives and dies, but it is not life. These things are simply complex stones." She says firmly. "They have no thoughts to hear. Psionic signals pass them by without note."

Anonymous 08/26/16(Fri)22:02:24 No.49012645
Humans I think were naturally psionic until Mother White Queen decided to do a little bit of culling. SHe's what caused that giant die-off of humans like 70,000 years ago

Questdrone !!tu02dh0DlTY 08/26/16(Fri)22:41:43 No.49013314

>>49012645
You are unsure by how much, but it does seem that psionic sensitivity in one way or another is actually less uncommon than you at first believed. The Humans and Phantoms seem proof at least that psionic sensitivity can develop in nature.

It is that if it something that our biotech can understand easy and recreate then it can influenced by psi,
it is possible for it to be able to use psi with some work done if it they cant naturally do it as we saw with the nanites on Elizabeth or just stuffing that thing into lee

So Taidarens, Ralighans, unmodified Skyl are psionic since they can be affected, they just cant use it
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"So these aliens have the highest ranking Valen in known space chanting warding songs to fend off spirits after one dinner with them." Torres says as he reads the file.

"All we can know for sure is these aliens have a similar empathy as the Valen, but far stronger. According to the files, it was said they could 'speak' as it were. Given valen empathy is often referred to as Hearing..."

"Do we know how?"

"Not even close." The man says. "There are theories. Some kind of mix of subsonic frequencies and EM emissions maybe, but if the valen translation offers any accurate analogy, they seem to hold the ability to hold some kind of mental influence. It's possible the method in which they communicate is capable of working to a more limited degree on alien life."

"So valen read minds, these things control them?"

"We know at least two humans jumped ship and are working with them. The others reported gaps in their memory and strange dreams." The man says. "It's not out of the question, although it's doubtful that even if they can that they can pull it off immediately. I've assembled an itinerary for you that will keep you as far from their embassy as possible until the moment before you arrive."

"What about Van Den Broek?"

"They at least have this same information." The man says. Their intel team's fingerprints were all over these files and if we could get them, so could they. We had an... incident, we think our field team made contact with theirs. It got a bit messy but-"

"I don't want to know." Torres says. "I just want to know if we have any defence against these things."

"Other than mental blocks, no. I'll have a team on the ground not far from the embassy, but even we won't be able to get you out if things go sideways." Torres stands over the table, his hands on either side of the pile of files and notes. There is so much, but it amounts to so little. Much of it is classified government files, others private data logs from high level valen. In all, this inch thick stack of paper was likely worth nearly seven million credits in total, between the bribes and untold criminal acts, he would likely never no its true value, but right now it didn't feel like any of it amounted to anything.

"It feels like we know less about them now than we did when the Clark crew was first rescued." He says. "I've already got a mail runner standing by, I'll be on Gemini by this evening. Keep me up to date on all pertinent information as it becomes available." The room begins to blur, the walls disintegrating into an amorphous blob of incoherent thought before it seeks the shape and form of a new memory.

cont.
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