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The martian surface glows with the fire of debris and the pulsing glow of warheads detonating against the surface bellow. The Union and Commonwealth fleets have converged in orbit, the Commonwealth ships falling back behind the other side of the planet as the Union fleet follows close behind. Missiles streak across the sky, detonating in pinprick flashes of atomic light as starship shields flash like fireflies in the dark of space. Your pod observes with silent curiosity from its cloak as the Columbia launches wings of grav fighters and sends them off over the horizon, in the other direction from the advancing fleet formation. You observe the pursuing fleet fire wave after wave of missiles and kinetic strikes against the Commonweath capital fleet as they chase each other over the martian orbit for several hours, until you see the fruit of Mangus's plan. A kinetic warhead catches the side of a Union corvette from behind, its shields flashing as it glances against its spine and ricochets off the shields and into the back of its shield cap, tearing off a quarter of the structure as its hull bursts in a sudden expansion of liquid water into a cloud of flash-frozen ice. The ship begins a slow tumble as particle beams lance out at the fleet's bomber squadrons as the Commonwealth grav-fighters hurl themselves at the rear of the Union formation before its fighter screen can adjust to intercept.

Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!

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>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone
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>>1371977
IT IS TIME!
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>>1371977
You feel the notice of a Distant Mind
>Psionic research has received a small boost
>Slip drives have a 10% chance to alert you to their usage

>Current resource reserves
Nutrients: 42,253,880N
Metals: 44,568,839M
Credits: ₡602,226
Credits in Lyle’s account: ₡1,175,000

Active trade routes
>Leeland – Lanway: HMS Orphan, Captain John Spreckels
[FormOther brand Fusion Reactors]

>Formed fleets and orders
Citadel Hive Ship – [Awaiting orders]
Small Heavy Defense Fleet [Patrolling Leeland space]
25 Heavy Battle Fleet [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]
5 Missile Ambush Fleet [Awaiting orders]
30 Light Fleets [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]
20 Light Fleets [Awaiting orders]
10 Fast Assault Fleets [Awaiting orders]
10 Ambush Fleet
6 Carrier Battle groups

Clone upkeep/special projects and expenses
25 Human captives of the USV Hope – 750
[Gemini]
3 Taidaren Hybrids (105)
4 Human flash clone upkeep – 120
18 Human hybrid clone upkeep – 540
Specializations:
>Tech
>Engineer
>Brawler
[Hive space]
100 Human Hybrids – 3,000
Lyle Rogers – 57
Jackob Eisner – 56
Dillon Reager – 30
Clone/project upkeep – 3,908N

>Income
Metals: 2,950,500
Nutrients: 7,636,000
Net:

Total upkeep
Nutrient costs: 6,675,390
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>>1371977
FOR MOTHER
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Ahahaha Commonwealth showing the Union how it's done!!
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>>1371984
(Nutrient stat + structures) * 1k * dev score + modifiers = Nutrient income total
(Metal stat + structures) * dev score + modifiers = Metal income total


Hive Territory
[G-426]
*Leeland (capital)
N 60+40
M 45
Development 50

Income:
4.886MN
162.5KM

Defensive structures
>Surface to Orbit Missile System: Uses long range missiles to attack enemy ships in the system (1KN, Additional costs per launch)
>Anti-orbital batteries: Directly attacks enemy ships in orbit (8KN)
Military structures
>Hangar facilities: Deploys atmospheric and orbital drones to intercept attackers, uses aerodynamic and fighter drone designs (4KN)
>Psionic Shroud: Conceals hive activity from psionic senses (1KN)
Industrial structures
>Docking Pylon: (2000) (100KN)
[Empty docks: 8000/8000]
Economic Structures
>Capillary Tower [under construction]
>Smart Mines active: Calculates development stat twice for metal income
>Algae Farm: +25N
>Film harvester dock: +15N
Asteroid mining base: 50KM per day added to nearest planet.

[M-662]
Raligha
N 90+20
M 10
Development 25

Income:
2.75MN
0M

Defensive structures
>Surface to Orbit Missile System (1KN)
>Anti-orbital batteries: 35/35 (8KNN)
Economic structures
>Bloodroot collectors: Pipes running from Bloodroot trees extract nutrient rich sap +20N
>Greystalk farms: [under construction]
>Greenwall pit: Genetically engineered plant efficiently recycles waste material, Extra N income x2
>Temple alter: A place for the Ralighan locals to worship and bring offerings to your hive, built in the likeness of your local fake queen, +500N per day

[M-323]
>Orbital docking pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 sub capitals or 1 capital ship, (50N)
[Empty docks: 0/4]
>Mining corvette salvage operations +2,688,000M per day (+8000M per corvette)

[Farcast]
Derelict Sensor array

Glassed Hive world
N 0
M 100
D 10

Income:
0N
100KM

>Smart mine mantle excavation: Calculates development stat 3 times for metal income

Deep space waystation
>100 docking pylons (10KN)
[Empty docks 400/400]
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Fourth for Free Fly week.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15841-Spring-2947-Free-Fly
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Daily reminder


>Raid OQ
>Read the locked memories of that thinker.
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.
>Send a diplomacy team to earth.
>Build that new FTL prediction building.
>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
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Oh thanks. I needed to feel good after the shitstorm in the last quest I was participating in
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>>1371977
THINKER THINKING THOUGHTS FOR MOTHER.
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HAHA

TIME FOR GALACTIC CONQUEST
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>>1371977
Yaasssss! Happy easter qd!
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Am I blind, what was the thread QD described Mother?
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Idid the math, if they are waiting a profit of around one hundred billion per year, this means they will be having a monthly income of 8.333.333.333,333 credits. We can make a monthly fee of 45% giving us 3.750.000.000 credits a month. And this is only on the ore raw price.If they want to discuss te tax we can lower it for the companies that allow Hive inspections or that allow hive security measures. which may or may not include drones watching and working as a security force. But this only inside the factories.
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>>1372009
>>1371977
Also are you fully recovered now? You have not said any more on twitter I´m still a bit worried.

Anyway Science away QD
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So that's why QD couldn't come up with the thread. Time for some sweet research.
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the time has come, and so have I
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>>1372000
You can't raid what you haven't scouted and we haven't ever heard found out what the pods sent to the OQ systems saw, and it's virtually impossible to board a Scav ship when we haven't voted to construct a single fleet design that has had ships with ramming keels, boarding pods, or both.
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Finished Research

>Psionic Cloaking
A complex practice naturally accomplished by the Phantoms under the care of the Barren Queen, you have been instructed in the basics, and extensive practice among the Phantom locals has made you exceedingly efficient in the process, using carefully woven mental signals to broadcast a sense of non-existence. While this process is most effective against being sensitive to tachyonic radiation, it can be used against virtually any organic being. A psionic race may find entire patches of planet voided from their minds like a mass-induced psychosis, while less attuned or mentally blind species find details of the cloaked unit impossible to remember or describe, or may simply not notice the unit unless it is alone and obvious in appearance. Simply turning around or standing among a small crowd is enough to become virtually invisible. Unfortunately, this invisibility comes at a cost, as it is omni-directional, and any unit enveloped in such a shroud would be unable to mentally communicate with others, effectively cutting itself off from any hive network. This ability requires at least a moderate relay or implant to accomplish, although no drone would do so willingly and cut itself off from the Queen without a direct command to do so.

As your drones settle into their new dedicated psionic research lab deep beneath the surface of Leeland, your thinkers report a number of anomalies in their first experiments. With the thinkers themselves isolated in a cage of psionically shielded chambers, you must wait for their reports at predetermined times each day for the results of the tests, but after missing their initial deadline for their first report, you receive a signal some hours later after detecting a thermal anomaly. A number of thinkers, in debate over their research as they calculate the incomprehensible sea of numbers of their research topic, seem to have inadvertently triggered a chain reaction with the test thinker itself, resulting in the enclosed lab space becoming enveloped in a thermometric detonation created from the mixture of explosive pressure waves and heat. Very little survived the incident, and your workers must now repair the lab itself, regrowing and repairing the many sensitive instruments held within.
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>>1371984
The USV hope crew cost is still there.
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>>1372025
Current Research

Psionic Thermokinesis
slow/mildly dangerous
An even more finely tuned execution of known tachyonic physics, thermokinesis is the practice of altering the energy state of atoms, but instead of altering their velocity, it utilizes a less uniform alteration to increase or decrease atomic vibration, quickly increasing or decreasing the ambient temperature of the target. It may take some time for your thinkers to successfully accomplish this feat, however, without also igniting the laboratory.

Psionic Conduction
slow/mildly dangerous
While altering the physical nature of particles has become possible, using highly controlled tachyonic signals it may also be possible to use the projected psionic energy to subtly alter and transfer other forms of energy in a more direct process than kinetic force. Your thinkers believe it may be possible to use alternate sources of energy outside of the target and potentially use tachyonic signals in order to carry that energy to the target. The early experiments have already proven promising, however it may be some time before the thinkers are capable of producing results without causing spontaneous detonations within the laboratory.

Cybernetic memory extraction
Fast
With the continued assistance of Theseus and his extensive mechanical research systems, you feel confident in your ability to extract at least partial memory fragments from the largely cybernetic brain of the killed Smith agent. It is too soon to determine if the data is of any use, but it could offer further clues regarding their origin and capabilities.

Memory Seed
Slow
By creating a miniaturized and less overtly useful memory crystal similar in overall function to the white crystals used to record thought by your elders, and modifying it into a neural implant, you believe it may be possible to create a kind of constantly updating backup memory for clones, agents, and even drones that would potentially hold its information after death. The memory seed would theoretically be capable of retaining the full memories of the host individual up to and including the very moment of death, and be able to preserve those memories long after the brain itself has physically deteriorated, a process that typically drastically limits the time frame in which memories can be gathered.

>>1372028
I've deleted it like twice now but it keeps coming back somehow. Curse my paranoid multiple redundancy save files.
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>>1372025
They thought so hard they blew up
Well great
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>>1372025
>As your drones settle into their new dedicated psionic research lab deep beneath the surface of Leeland, your thinkers report a number of anomalies in their first experiments. With the thinkers themselves isolated in a cage of psionically shielded chambers, you must wait for their reports at predetermined times each day for the results of the tests, but after missing their initial deadline for their first report, you receive a signal some hours later after detecting a thermal anomaly. A number of thinkers, in debate over their research as they calculate the incomprehensible sea of numbers of their research topic, seem to have inadvertently triggered a chain reaction with the test thinker itself, resulting in the enclosed lab space becoming enveloped in a thermometric detonation created from the mixture of explosive pressure waves and heat. Very little survived the incident, and your workers must now repair the lab itself, regrowing and repairing the many sensitive instruments held within
Thinker thinked itself into an explosion
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>>1372025
>sees image name
PANIC
>reads post
Oh good, just a thinker exploding.
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>>1372036
>Psionic Spores
Slow
While normally the hive spores used to spread infrastructure are little more than genetically engineered nanomachines, replicating and performing their function alone until their built structure is complex enough to receive mental signals, your mixture of psionic research and advancements in spore related genetic programming has made the idea of a psionically sensitive spore seem not nearly as far fetched as it once did. With a mixture of distributed networking and complex cellular reconstruction methods, it could be possible to create a spore strain that would respond to mental signals.

>Advanced Psionic Imprinting
Slow
With the application of psionic imprinting you are able to influence and alter the state of matter using only focused and precise mental signals. Your thinkers believe this can be taken further, using more accurate signals and more precise manipulation methods to imprint more complex thoughts and ideas more quickly and easily, and at a greater range.

>Personal shielding
Slow
By further shrinking the emitters, your thinkers believe they may be able to eventually make them small enough to be equipped to the carapace of a drone, or to the surface of an armored suit. At this time it is mostly speculation and an eagerness to please mother beyond all reason, and you cannot be sure what the limitations may be, but the thinkers are sure they can do it.

>Shield dome
Slow
The opposite way of thinking as personal shielding, by scaling the shield emitters up further to a size that would be impossible to hold and power on a ship, your thinkers suspect they should be able to construct a defensive perimeter around a hive center protected by a powerful defensive shield. The thinkers that have proposed the idea seem to be certain in the failure of the other project, as they are of this one, and you have had to separate the quantum thinkers as they attempted to disprove each others’ theories more than develop their own.
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>>1372024
The fast assault Cruiser and Battlecruiser has boarding pods but i agree with that we need a dedicated boarding ship.
And we can raid OQ in the systems that we have already scouted(like Reprive)
>>1372036
Today on spooky tales.
THE CAPTIVES THAT NEVER LEAVE.
They must really like that hot tub.
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>that feel when failled research.

So is this how the Union feel all the time?
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>>1371984
Also QD, i fucked up when i ordered those Ambush fleets, they're supposed to be missile ambush fleets but i abbreviated.
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>>1372046
>Advanced Psionic Reading
Slow
With your new abilities growing, you continue to hone and develop more advanced methods of using your psionic network. Your thinkers believe that with more practice they should be able to delve deeper into the minds of non-hive life, digging past surface thoughts and emotions and into more detailed pieces of information without resorting to invasive neural interfaces.

>Atmospheric static generator
Medium (is done, but working on how it adjusts the Tower's cost in the new system)
By utilizing the natural friction of a sufficiently dense atmosphere against the surface of a capillary tower, the tower can be made to generate energy to feed itself and reduce its upkeep cost.

>Gravity thrusters
Slow
Similar in function to your Skid drive, the Gravity thrusters essentially surf along pre-existing gravity fields, increasing their performance when in close proximity to major sources of gravitational pull, be it a large celestial body, a star, a planet, an exceptionally large structure or group of structures, or the core of a gravity drive. While in deep space it becomes less effective, the law of universal gravitation means it never becomes totally useless, and when in close proximity to a powerful gravity source it should outperform most other thruster designs with ease.

Available research options

>Psionic Cannon prototype
Very slow/Very dangerous
Detailed accounts of several experiments show the slow progress of Project Godsplitter. The cannon itself is highly volatile, and even the smallest miscalculation often results in the destruction of the ship, as well as any nearby craft. It can only be equipped to a Hive ship's spinal mount, and requires a functional Void Shard as ammunition. At least a dozen testing sizes were atomized in testing the weapon, and in the end it appears The Gardener never quite perfected it.

>>1372049
They're not actually in the calculations, I just keep having them show up in the breakdown by accident. Just got rid of them so it should be fixed, sorry.
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>>1372025
The first research failure ever?

Who forgot their Saturday goat sacrifices?
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>>1372036
>Psionic Thermokinesis
>mildly dangerous
I wonder what thinker exploded.. hmmmm
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>>1372061
>>Psionic Cannon prototype
I think it's time we started making plans for this. Not actually saying we should start now but we should negotiate with the Unity to set to set up a joint research lab with all the psionic shielding and cloaking we can to make a start.
Or something like that, I admit I don't fully understand how this could go wrong so how do we prepare for the worst?
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>>1372068
I suspect void fuckery. In any case it was a good thing we decided to lift up some security mesuares for this kind of research.
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>>1372049
It would be overplaying our hand if we don't know where the most valuable targets are up front, which we know ICly, and just go for what happens to have been written up already.

Tactics only work best once before the enemy learns, as using cloaked pod nukes showed. You want to hit and run all the production facilities at once.
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>>1372083
By acquiring more planets and increasing our fleet. So we start to build it after we had finished stripping the Expanse from the Union.
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>>1372083
Expect exploded planets on whichever system the cannon is researched.
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>>1372083
The worst is not prepare-able against. That's the problem.
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>>1372083
Or maybe we could get it from Earth or the Commonwealth.
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>>1372083
>how do we prepare for the worst?

We don't. We can only prepare for the better result.
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>>1372088
The primary objective of the raids isn't to damage her most valuable targets, it's to cause ship causalities that will slow down her industry due to replacing the ships.
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>>1372106
that would only work if her industry is on par with our own but considering her size and age she probably considers ships as valuable as we consider drones.
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>>1372106
That doesn't sound very effective, surely harnessing resource gathers and supply ships is the more traditional and effective tactic.
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>>1372068
Sorry couldn't find any goats, though It'd be ok with sheep. Apparently I was wrong. Again sorry about that.
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>>1372106
>>1372121
It's still a good idea to keep her on the back foot.
Every ship we force her to replace is a great way to weaken or slow the coming of the zergblob we all fear she'll throw at us.
And if we get lucky we might be able to find one of her shipyard planets and use one of our crust-cracker bombs on it.

>>1372123
Resource ships are a good target, but hive FTL makes retreat and/or reinforcement a bit too easy for the buggers.
Now, if we could blow up her nutrient production facilities...
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>>1372061
>be it a large celestial body, a star, a planet, an exceptionally large structure or group of structures, or the core of a gravity drive

Or a singularity projector!
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>>1372121
>that would only work if her industry is on par with our own
She's slightly ahead of us due to multiple systems but it's irrelevant how large her industry is as long as we cause enough causalities that she struggles to rebuild and replace them.
>considering her size and age she probably considers ships as valuable as we consider drones.
We should use that disregard for ships to our advantage and hurt her before she realizes what we're doing.
>>1372123
The raiding ships can do that too, there's nothing holding them back from doing that.
I recall Reprive had mining ships so that should be our first target.
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here's an interesting hard science channel I found you can watch while we wait for an update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuHxL5FD5U
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>>1371977
>Mangus
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>>1372144
Remember when we considered ourselves the coming zergrush? Great times.
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>>1372144
Wait we don't have to play her game for this. Consider what we have that she doesn't:
1. Cloaking, she knows we have it but can't effectively deal with it yet.
2. Nukes, does she have them? Does she have defenses that can effectively stop them?
Idea: Cloaked kamikaze nuke pods attacking at irregular intervals.
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>>1372106
>slow down her industry due to replacing the ships

You know what would slow that down much more?

Glassing the places that build the ships.
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>>1372172
She doesn't even have missiles
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>>1372172
I had that idea before, i thought up of a space minefield made up of nuclear pods that could deploy along the raiding fleets so that when the ships retreat and the OQ ships pursue they end up surrounded by nukes.
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>>1372193
All of which will now detonate early and with very low impact due to the OQ's now ubiquitous swarms of drones that surround her ships to buffer against invisible bombs, unfortunately.
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>>1372193
I was thinking more about the psychological benefits of such an attack. Image how such an attack would affect the mind of the Queen, never knowing when an attack would come and not understanding what was happening. It would put her on the defensive and give us more time to expand.
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>>1372178
If you want to attack her production centers that's fine but you'll have to find them first. Until then you'll have to attack her ships to cause damage.
Actually we can do both, attack her fleets to force her to replace them, that causes her picket fleets to become thinner as long as we cause more casualties than what she can replace, then attack her production centers that will have weakened picket fleets then take her planets.
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>>1372217
A buffer. Against nukes in space. That's how you get extra shrapnel.
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>>1372226
>you'll have to find them first
We already did. We've sent pods to every single star system the OQ occupies. The Queen knows what's in them now. Docking pylons are pretty visible.

It's just that we the players don't know what teh Queen knows yet because the pastebin hasn't been updated in a good while.
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>>1372222
>>1372229
It would be so much better to just deploy Missile Ambush Fleets or, even better, Obsidian Queen Harassment Fleets against her. They work more than once, and as I've been saying for threads and threads now could be effectively deployed to Mom's old world and hide among the rubble so as to be a persistent threat.

It's important that they be able to work more than once too, because the OQ can still detect our blink signatures and if we're just using pods then we'll run out eventually (and they're easily isolated and taken out with minimal damage to her forces).
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>>1372061
Gilliam frantically types across the console before him, running through security cameras and sensor systems as alarms blast in his ears and marines and PDF troopers scream military jargon at each other. Palmer seems stuck in some fugue state, staring at the aftermath of the destroyed lab on the screen. The door opens with a hiss to the control center as Captain Norris is carried in by the shoulder as he hops in one one leg, his other trailing blood from a shredded stump as the guards set him down on a table, one of them sweeping it clean with his arm and sending all manner of highly sensitive and extremely expensive instruments crashing to the floor to make room. Palmer seems to regain some level of attention as he observes the bleeding stump, and he and Gilliam both seem to inch forward as if to begin offering their medical advice, but the medical knowledge of the typical Union PDF trooper, while limited, is highly specialized. The guards quickly pull out a number of devices as one of them strips away the shredded, blood soaked cloth around the wound, and another takes a telescoping titanium rod and injects it into the stump as it sprays the shredded flesh with some manner of localized anesthetic and latches on to the bone with a firm click. Norris grits his teeth as his arm grabs a soldier at random by the collar and pulls him close.

"I want that thing deep fried!" He shouts. "We atomize it! Get the men organized into fire teams and set up a perimi-" He is cut off with a sharp, pain filled gasp as the telescoping rod extends a small branch out that plants onto the leg's upper thigh and a laser begins lancing off the shredded flesh into a clean, cauterized wound. The front of the laser jabbing the skin of the leg like a sewing machine as it injects another localized anesthetic as it progresses.

"Set up a perimeter." He finishes. "And you two chuclefucks!" He says as he points to Gilliam and Palmer. "You want to do research, you can poke the ashes we left in that lab. Live capture is off the table!"

cont.

>>1372059
Remind me later tonight and I'll sort that out.

>>1372068
Not the first, actually, but the first failure for a dangerous topic. You've had setbacks before but they often don't result in much of an issue.
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>>1372251
Ooh, now we get to see if it's casually infectious or not.
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>>1372250
I had actually forgotten about those fleets, yes its time for them to live up to their name. If we send the to harass her constantly it could buy us months to prepare or make her do something reckless.
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>>1372236
Actually we do know of some systems we can attack, First landing, Jewel and Cluster.
There's also Waystation and drift we can colonize.
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>>1372251
Oh boy it's time for space horror!!
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>>1372251
R.I.P. Norris.
Your paranoia served you half as well as you deserved.
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>>1372284
I kinda feel bad for him. It's not his fault that Killinger's a cunt and Windsor's a crystal-infected crazyman.
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>>1372291
We could offer him a replacement leg. I'm sure that would go over just fine.

>>1372251
Did any of our drones make it into the lab? Cause this would be a great time to make use of the panic and chaos.
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>>1372303
Nope. Our only asset we have there is Gilliam
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>>1372303
>Did any of our drones make it into the lab?

Nope we are going to help the terrorist attack against the company producing the smiths.
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>>1372251
I wonder if there's any plausible way to get any of the DNA samples of the drone this thing was puppeting from the inside, or from the Thing itself, into the mouth of our parasite inside Gilliam to analyze.
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>>1372310
And the parasite inside Gilliam.
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>>1372310
And the symbiot inside him.
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>>1372250
The OQ raiding fleets design has a severe lack of defense since it only has stealth but it's alpha damage is great, i think if we pair it up with the fast assault we could have it's missiles and ramming ships be the spear tip of an attack while the fast assault blinks in and attacks the confused enemy for cleanup.
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>>1372277
My favorite!
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>>1372315
there's a whole planet of them so yeah we can
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>>1372317
>>1372318
lol that is exactly what I meant. I kinda consider them one unit now since once that parasite is out Gilliam is no longer our agent
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>>1372313
I still think it's too risky for us to send traceable hive agents into the lab. For all we know the terrorists have been infiltrated and they'll expect a hive attack. We've destroyed so many Union labs they may actually be starting to learn from the disasters (unlikely, but possible).

I think Theseus would be a much better bet for this attack. We can offer discreet support to Theseus, but it makes more sense for an AI to attack what is, ostensibly, an anti-AI research facility and gives us plausible deniability when it comes to involvement. And I'm sure Theseus is at least as interested in the research done there on Smiths as we are.
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>tfw you stumble upon a Hive Queen Quest thread but haven't caught up with the story
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>>1372331
that's assuming we didn't make the drone addictive
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>>1372321
With our new and improved psionic cloaking we may be able to have our stealth raiding fleets given much more viability with "hit and run" attacks than they previously had.
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>>1372277
Problem is that this time we aren't the horror.
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>>1372333
I know i wrote drones but i meant to say our hybrib agents. We manage to smuggle some flies if anons are iffty in helping then we can alway do our on scoutting mission.
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>>1372343
Even better we are the hero. Time to scav that freezing maxine into a gun. Or just grab a flamethrower.
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I wonder when are we going to get call from this lab to our embassy.
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>>1372352
I'd love to be a hero. The problem is, the Union is almost certainly not going to tell us they've fucked up in another secret lab yet again - and this time in a heavily Urban environment. If the situation devolves to the point where they're asking for our help we may be reaching "glass the planet" levels of danger and infection (assuming the Thing is infectious).
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>>1372321
It's not meant for outright attack, it's meant to infest a system and make it utterly inimical to the OQ, hence the high alpha. We've got other ship designs for outright attacks.
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>>1372327
>there's a whole planet of them
We're talking about this one thing. Not what others may or may not exist in large numbers in uncharted places.
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is anyone outside the facility aware of what's going in here yet? Cause I'd i'm thinking defense in depth should be the name of the game here.
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>>1372364
Never, since this thing isn't even a drone and they don't have clearance to talk about it.
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>>1372371
Huh? Is it meant to break OQ picket fleets or something?
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>>1372251
>NULE THE PLACE FROM ORBIT!
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>>1372251
This thing was hiding inside a fake hive drone, how long until it's hiding inside a fake human? Someone has to think through the PTSD and realize the possibility and it might as well be the guy with calming parasite drugs in his blood.
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>>1372369
I was talking in making Gilliam a hero. Of course he isn't prepared to deal with this kind of situation but at least with us he can manage to survive.

But that depends if we want to stop it.
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>>1372374
you do remember the last thread we had with these guys and that there's a hive of them frozen on a world in the expanse we even offered Lyle to go scout it for us?
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>>1372382
Did you not read the thread where Gilliam said to contact the Hive and ask them questions?
Also has anyone noticed we're not even at the main event. BQ spores haven't consumed the facility yet.
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>>1372291
Windsor has never been crystal influenced or he wouldn't have tried to shut down the Tartarus reactor.
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>>1372369
I hope it is and I hope this goes extra critical because I want Killinger to personally eat his big stacked plate of won't bow bullshit over their labs screwing with expanse stuff that we literally just warned them about. There couldn't BE a better timing for a major lab fuck up in a Union urban center. Our espionage systems couldn't even stage something this perfectly timed and disconnected from ourselves.
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>>1372383
And generally increase her cost of maintaining forces anywhere.

For instance, Mom's old world is a valuable mining system where the OQ has a metal-harvesting operation on the scale of ours at the Skyl megastructure. We've thus far only seen non-combat mining ships there. JUICY TARGET.

The idea is that you blink an OQ Harassment Fleet into a system that you want to disrupt, and then (due to their stealth and missile compliments) from that point on if ANYTHING goes ANYWHERE without a hefty escort it'll get killed. Suddenly every single routine patrol has to be beefed up to have a cruiser or two incorporated. Logistical ships all need escorts. Or they get destroyed by our stealthy ships.

Reduced efficiency and increased costs of operation on her part, minimal investment and maintenance from our end.

In a sense it would break her picket fleets too though. She's sat on her worlds without competition for a while, and gotten lazy and weak from it.
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>>1372415
It was a joke, anon. He was crazy enough to approve the development of the Tartarus Reactor though. Along with all the other research projects we've been blowing up.
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>>1372284
>>1372291
Reminder that we had multiple opportunities to let him roast the thing before it got to this point by eating the drone; if we had listened to our own damn advice things wouldn't have gotten this bad. Even if it had breached they wouldn't have had such a ridiculous advantage if we had acted faster to oppose it.

Mark my words, this is the beginning of a major pain in the ass that the hive as a whole is going to have to put forth considerable time and effort into containing and eradicating so that it doesn't threaten the rest of the galaxy.
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>>1372419
I just want to protect our clones drones and Gilliam. A mother should protect it's children even the adopted ones.
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>>1372450
My plan in not stopping it soon was because i wanted to Gilliam see how the Union is way abobe it's head. And now we can start helping him so we can increase our hold on him. Turning him into something more then a sleeping agent.
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>>1372433
So the OQ harassment fleet is meant to hide in a system and attack any stragglers? How would you send in reinforcements when you lose ships?
I still think it has more use as alpha damage but this function is useful too.
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>>1372451
I always love hearing stuff like this. Some anons complain that it makes the most sense for us to only care about our survival, bu just remember our first choice besides which planet to start on:whether to eat the thinker we started with or attempt to save it. And we have roughly kept the mentality we had with that choice.
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>>1372419
You want to make this even worse? Then bring the Valen the were helping Killinger to pressure him to work with us. Hell at this point the only way he could move forward with any plans he has is if he works since we are the only one who could figure out that his main opponent is Void controlled.
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>>1372450
really? how is this thing a threat to the galaxy?
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>>1372480
Agreed.
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>>1372450
Like I give a fuck about a Union planet getting infested or glassed. Our exchange with parliament and how cuntish they're all being has actually made me take Anons' side and say that I'd be quite fine if the Commonwealth were the only human government around.

>>1372475
They're really pretty cheap. If they get worn away then it's not that much a loss for what we'll gain. If they need to be refreshed then we'll blink more in the system. They'll more than make back their cost in damage to the OQ, and that's how wars are won.

It's also been designed such that if you equip them with shields/multilayer shields (at least on the Anti-Hive fleets) they'll fair well in open combat. That's a distinct variant from the stealthy guerilla version though.
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Does anyone realize that the Ion Cannons are perfect for use against the Black Queen's ships?
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>>1372484
If he eats enough and increase his mass he may leave orbit as a giant planet eating living thing.

And i guess there is plenty of mass in Path.
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>>1372484
It was asleep, and we could have killed it then
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>>1372413
>yfw the spores mimic the material they consume so you can't tell they're there until they reach a specific transformation triggering scale
>yfw the spores eat into mineral veins to sprout upwards at other locations ala fungi if they've been given enough time
>yfw the spores get carried on winds and infect the lungs of any unprotected organism until they reach a cordyceps phase
>yfw that cordyceps phase is crystals
I've anticipated many scenarios for the spores.
Hopefully they are not a disappointment.

>>1372483
That's a good idea.
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>>1372510
That sounds stupid. How would anything manage that?
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>>1372490
>If they need to be refreshed then we'll blink more in the system.
I guess that'll work. So build 1 or 2 for every system we want harassed and 1 for each 2/3 Fast assault fleets to act as alpha damage, how does that sound?
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>>1372480
Well at first was more so we could get data and we started with a extra drone. But it became one of the Red Queens main traits.
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>>1372505
How? The electronic-scrambling function is nulled by-and-large by virtue of her ships being organic, just like it is for us.

What's really perfect against the Black Queen's ships is boarding parties of Heavy Warriors and Royal Guards, and Apex Royal Guards. She has no answer to our Heavy Warriors' armor, and she definitely can't do anything against a Siren Maw and/or Psionic Disruptor.
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>>1372521
Don't know. But seeing this thing are you sure it couldn't manage to do it?
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>>1372523
Anything that involves building more ships sounds great to me.
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>>1372473
He already does everything we say at a thought, how much more control can we really get over him?

>>1372484
>>1372490
I strongly doubt that these things will be constrained to just the planet or system they're on, or even Union territory once they figure out how to get space and FTL travel from the hive genetic info they assimilated. Hell, they're adaptive enough that they might just generate those abilities independently once they face enemies that can do it.
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>>1372532
Our ships, according to QD, are still affected by the same shit regular ships are vulnerable to (with the exception of hacking) due to heavily relying mechanical parts.
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>>1372513
not only does this not answer the question it also assumes that we all knew it wasn't a hive drone before it woke up.
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>>1372545
That reminds me, does anyone want to build my attack/support fleets or should the design be scrapped and forgotten?
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>>1372521
Also i may o may not have being playing dead space three during this week and that got me thinking.
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>>1372549
>At the very least get a fleet ready to nuke the place from orbit, unless you want the VOID to rip anothet hole in thr universe?
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>>1372532
While I like the idea of Royal Guards a lot, especially for high value targets or human interaction, they're too expensive for us to send aboard BQ ships as primary boarders. Our heavies backed up by standard warriors with improved armor and/or blasters would probably be the way to go. They are much, much, cheaper than the elite "royal" guards and will be more effective in numbers.

I agree psionic disruptors is an excellent weapon against the OQ, but they're difficult to deploy and will be likely be at their most effective for a few battles before the OQ starts adapting or counters.
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>>1372413
Did you? He was told that he doesn't have clearance to do so. Not allowed.
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>>1372532
you forget the first time we boarded the OQs ship and are heavy warriors died from acid glue
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>>1372584
Why we should probably get some Unity/Heretic Drones to join us next time we attempt to raid a Hive ship. I think those acid-flies were anti-biological, probably won't have too much of an effect against mechanical drones
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>>1372584
Or we need a big fly-swatter. Bunch of lightning gun equipped wasps would probably be good for that
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>>1372584
I thought they died because we were trying to take the relay alive?
Actually we should really get another sample of that acid glue, board a ship and let her hit us with it then just walk the drones into the labs.
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>>1372597
I doubt that, considering that we most likely use the same acid as the OQ does since it's base hive tech.
Do remember that our acid basically did in Lyle's dropsuit the 2nd time we fought him back on Leeland.
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>>1372549
Oh please, you're making way to big a deal out of this shit before we have any evidence along those lines. What about a twisted drone carcass makes you think this shit can figure out FTL? We need more investigation before we go into galaxy-ending shadowruns mode.

>>1372584
Yeah, after rampaging through half her ship because nothing except that could stop them.

>>1372572
You're completely right, Royal Guards should only ever be used sparingly (like 1:20 ratio with Heavy warriors, at max). However, I do think we really need them or Ghost Beetles/Wraith Beetles in our boarding teams.

Because all of our tech advantage counts for shit when the OQ starts stocking psionic disruptors on her drones (which we know she has), unless we have elite Q-Brained units in the mix that can take out targets with disruptors.
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>>1372597
Acid weapons are a anti armor weapon regardless if it is tech or biotechnology

We used it against Lyle when we first started but phased it out as we got other anti armor weapons
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>>1372597
Personal shielding should fix that.
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>>1372617
Don't white crystal relays counter psionic disruption? Could equip our drones with that.
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>>1372597
Only that the bitch queen has already faced UNITY before. So she will probably adapt.

Next time don't board unless is suicide units that explode when they die in a big boom enough to damage the bitch Hive Ship.

Actually... we should have a few dedicated kamikaze units...
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>>1372572
the siren adaptation we got is more useful since it causes the drones to reset
>>1372549
that's not really a galactic threat or even much of a worry
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>>1372637

The best option is hybrid units, half humans are most likely to tolerate not hearing us, and we can give them parasites with crystal relays.
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>>1372617
Technically we don't need quantum brains in every drone, we just need Thinkers at close-range sent into battle. Ideally with moderate relays on the Thinkers, since that boosts their range when under jamming.

Obviously all with kamikaze acid sacs in their lobes.
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>>1372617
So, you know in a theoretical scenario where there's a boarding party (which are very expensive) that confronted with an OQ Psionic Disruptor...all our drones are suddenly almost dead.

Unless they've got something with them with a Q-Brain, in which case it can try to take out the OQ's Disruptor Drone...which is unlikely to be successful because it'll be 1 drone versus the OQ's Disruptor and support. Provided our Q-Brain equipped drone is very potent on its own, it's possible it'll manage to eliminate the target (for instance, a Royal Guard).

However, if the Q-Brain equipped drone also has its own psionic disruptor then the playing field is even, and essentially it's just the OQ Disruptor Drone versus our Disruptor Drone. Which is one of the reasons why the Apex Royal Guard is designed to be the nastiest motherfucker around, because we have a tech advantage on her so 1v1 it should beat almost anything.
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>>1372560
To be honest I hate most ship and fleet names due to how they are named and how disjointed the fleet design is.
>>1372549
I highly doubt they are that advanced.
>>1372541
Pretty certain that sort of tech would let us break the game.
>>1372562
>playing Dead Space 3
What are you doing with your life anon?
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>over an hour since last update

QD is kill
no
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>>1372651
It's cheaper to put Q-Brains into a handful of elite drones sprinkled through our forces than it is to put Thinkers with moderate relays in. It's also more useful to have combat-oriented drones with extra gubbins than non-combat drones with extra gubbins that have to be protected.
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>>1372662
Or we could use moderate relays since they were confirmed in the Nowhere crisis that they are the counter to psionic disrupters.
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>>1372662
We usually send a few ghost beetles in with our standard boarders if I remember correctly. They have quantum brains.

By the way, now that we've unlocked psionic cloaking why don't we add that to our standard ghost beetle build? The upgrade should be capable of cloaking individual drones since it cloaked individual phantoms.
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>>1372662
Or you could use a white crystal relay, which i recall acts as a signal booster and helps alleviate Psionic disruption, so then we can have our drones remove the source of the disruption.
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>>1372663
>To be honest I hate most ship and fleet names due to how they are named and how disjointed the fleet design is.
I don't blame you, it's a mess.
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>>1372637
I think the advancements from the White Crystals got incorporated into our drones by default, making them more resistant but not immune to jamming.

It's kind of a terrifying proposition to me though to allow that possibility at all. Remember how powerless we were against some random fucking fish on Huron that had the Siren Maw? Disruptors are like that x10, and if the OQ can use some on our Heavy Warriors or other advanced bugs and capture them for study then we'll lose our tech advantage far quicker than anticipated, genetic countermeasures can always be overcome with time and effort.
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>>1372679
If we learned anything at all the Nowhere crisis taught us that putting relays everywhere is extremely dangerous when dealing with anything void corrupted as they all lead directly back to the Queen.
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>>1372676
>Fielding thinkers in a drone battle
I don't understand why you would do this. Why not equip a moderate relay to a drone fit for battle? The relay will reach after all.
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>>1372683
Too expensive and unnecessary for widespread deployment. We should have a leader-ghost beetle variant (such as the Wraith Beetle) with it.
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>>1372676
>it's cheaper
We don't actually track drone costs anymore, so that's irrelevant, but also doubtful. One Thinker with a moderate relay can control all drones in the immediate area.

All the quantum brained units would be fighting by themselves, with no help from the comatose others that lacked Q-brains. Thinkers are the only kind of drone that can command others.

Outsourcing the thinking to Thinkers is just sensible specialization. They can be protected as easily as drones protect their eyes. Or you can keep them inside honey pot sacs of the larger drones.
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>>1372696
Are you dense?
Those were Advanced relays that fucked us over, Moderate relays are fine.
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"I'd say that's perfectly reasonable at this point." Gilliam says. Palmer looks at the screen of the charred body in the lab's containment room as it smolders, and Norris pounds the table in pain, making the lab techs jump.

"God damn!" He shouts as the burnt flesh of his leg falls off as the laser cuts through the last of it, and a rubber lined metal cup plants itself firmly over the stump with the sound of suction and a loud thump as the bolt attached to the bone. The telescoping rod extends out, and the combat medic attending to it twists it as a curved carbon fibre foot unfolds. You can see on the side as the trooper moves away a set of detailed instructions written along its side, with the bold print lettering "Union standard issue Trench Foot Mk VII" near the heel. Norris shifts himself on the table and is helped to his feet by his men as he tests the temporary leg, grimacing in pain as he eases his weight on it. You can see the ring of the anchor is lined with auto-injectors, likely filled with more pain killers, and he takes out a small bag holding another injector and holds it to his neck for several seconds before tossing it away.

"We need to set up our defences for whatever this thing is planning." He says quickly. "I want you two to figure out what you can from that corpse. I want to know how to kill it and anything you can tell me about how it may behave, or what it could be after."

"I doubt a dead body could offer us much in that regard." Palmer says.

"Well you've got a dead one." Norris replies. "Work with what you got. Until then, nobody goes anywhere alone. This thing's already been missing for a good while now and we need to get on the offensive." Palmer and Gilliam share a concerned look as the lab techs around the room seem frozen with fright. The guards are hauling about various weapon systems and defencive equipment as several begin setting up a turret in the hall outside, while others begin opening crates of ammunition and heavy weapons. Several activate plasma throwers as they begin to glow with heat and plasma shotguns hum to life as they begin to cycle their charges as they build up pressure. Others unpack armor and move-assist packs, strapping them to the small hooked rings along their suits as they change the filter units on their rebreathers and perform startup checks on their thermal visors and motion trackers.

>Let Palmer examine the corpse while Gilliam examines other data
>Help Palmer with the biological study
>Other (write in)

>>1372672
Super sorry, had to do something real quick.
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>>1372617
It was mentioned by QD that hive DNA triplexes have all the genetic data for all the stuff we know how to do, they just only have the relevant and necessary parts activated for the purposes of any given drone.

In other words, the fact that the OQ (or whoever's drone got eaten) has FTL at all creates the possibility that something that assimilated its genetics might be able to reproduce that effect, with time.

>>1372643
>hey, if shit goes south they might be able to freely spread throughout star systems with impunity
>nah that's not really much of a danger nothing to worry about there

Mark my words, these guys will become a pain in the ass if they aren't swiftly dealt with.
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>>1372683
we should also consider adding our holo tech on to them since it can be used to for better stealth
we could also modify their eyes with halo tech that would allow them to magnify their vision and see in different light spectrums heck if we wanted to go full anime we could give a similar adaptation to our titans and let them shoot lasers from their eyes
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>>1372706
Seems like a dumb idea to me too, hence why I suggested a combat drone with a moderate relay instead.

>>1372717
One Thinker with a moderate relay can control all the drones within its non-jammed range, sure. Which would not include the area around whatever's jamming our drones, which is where we would need units fighting in the first place.
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>>1372695
I recall there were 2 things we got from crystal research, a passive that applied to our thinkers and made them smarter, and the ability to make white crystals and implant them into drones.
And again, i believe implanting a white crystal on a drone allows that drone to nullify the disruption, acting as a beacon of clarity for other drones.
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>>1372721
>>Let Palmer examine the corpse while Gilliam examines other data
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>>1372721
>Let Palmer examine the corpse while Gilliam examines other data
The thing(hurhur)might not fully be dead, and i'd prefer for the head scientist not to die while we are occupied.
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>>1372721
Do they have mop drones here too that they can use cameras on to scout through the ventilation ducts for their quarry?

>Help Palmer with the biological study
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>>1372747
>Help Palmer with the biological study
Whoops wrong vote
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>>1372721
>Help Palmer with the biological study
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>>1372745
Sounds perfect for putting into Elite/Regular Royal Guards then.

>>1372721
>Help Palmer with the biological study
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>>1372721
>Let Palmer examine the corpse while Gilliam examines other data
I'd rather not risk losing Gilliam to the off chance that it's still alive and/or dangerous.
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>>1372721
>Let Palmer examine the corpse while Gilliam examines other data.

Time to see what this bacteria reacts and if it's faster to burn it or kill it with meds.
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>>1372721
>>Help Palmer with the biological study
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>>1372759
yeah but both were implied to be passives and our already applied to all our drones at the vary lest no cost was ever add to them
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>>1372737
>within its non-jammed range
No, they can communicate successfully with a moderate relay over all drones in the immediate area. Without moderate relays, Thinkers are iffy, but with moderate relays, they're much more useful.

>>>/tg/48001027
>Moderate relays will have greater success, but are limited to tactical range, essentially, and can only effectively communicate with drones within the immediate area.
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>>1372766
It most likely is still alive and Palmer will try preserve it.
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>>1372774
>bacteria
Anon we have no clue what it is.
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>>1372721
>Help Palmer with the biological study
see if we can slip a sample to our parasite to study.
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>>1372721
>Nuke from orbit.
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>>1372721
>>Help Palmer with the biological study
Not much else Gil can do in this situation.
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>>1372721
>>Help Palmer with the biological study
Have the Queen assist. Palmer has no fucking clue about what could kill this thing. We are way better equipped to actually provide somewhat useful advice.
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>>1372778
No, read it again >>1372745
Our drones have the passive that makes them smarter but we haven't built a single white crystal since we got the tech.
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>>1372737
Or we can just use hybrid that don't look guman at all, no need to use thinkers.

We have an elite unit of non human looking yibrids that use the jamming and have parasites with crystal relays to deal with Queen Bitch.
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>>1372721
>Let Palmer examine the corpse while Gilliam examines other data
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>>1372721
>Help Palmer with the biological study
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GAS THE SQUIDS
NUKE THE WHALES
STAB THE MONKEYS
TRUST NOTHING
THE VOID IS WATCHING
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>>1372789
well it did dislike the Defcon spray or whatever its called also having a mix of plant and animal cells maybe its some type of space fungus
>>1372804
i read it just fine i'm just saying the tech was never given a price and it improved our abilities so logically we just upgraded all our drones with it because why wouldn't we.
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>>1372834
Could it be the Black Queen's spores?
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>>1372781
>and can only effectively communicate with drones within the immediate area.
Okay, so now we're back to needing a Thinker w/ Moderate Relay with every boarding party, or other operational group. 108N for a non-combat drone that needs protection.

For that cost we could instead add Q-Brains to 13 drones. Supposing we only equip elite/particularly potent drones with Q-Brains, and those drones are otherwise designed for combat also so they're contributing positively when jamming isn't an issue, I'd say Q-Brains on elite units still comes out as more economical.
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>>1372789
The way it reacted to the chemical spray when it was in containment suggest it might be a kind of bacteria.
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Alright i was looking for the white crystal description and found something interesting.

Thread 26
>Your Translation of the ancient star chart found on Raligha has been complete. When you noticed the similarities between the language on the chart and the Skyl language, you expected it to have boosted your efforts, but they do not seem to be related. The characters are almost identical, but there is no correlation at all between their meanings. It is as if the characters were lifted from another source and repurposed.
>The chart itself is a chronicle. An overview of the history of a great stellar empire dating back for thousands of years. Most of the inscriptions show a brief history of the empire and its endless war against an alien threat. The war was fought for countless centuries until a brief respite was achieved, but it was clear that the war was long from over. This ship was built to carry a thousand queens from a thousand dynasties away from the every encroaching front of the war, and here it landed, nearly seventy thousand years ago, from your estimate.

>At the end of the tablet is a series of instructions on accessing the ship's systems, as well as a series of coordinates that seem to be nearby, just on the far side of the neighboring nebula.
Apparently there's a secret on the other side of the cradle.
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>>1372813
I'm really fine with that solution too. In fact, I really love the idea of deploying squads of fuckoff-strong hybrids or chimeras that don't give a fuck about maintaining human appearances. I think it'd be awesome to read scenes in which they're involved, and that's worth just about any nutrient cost in my book.
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>>1372834
Actually there is a price for the white crystals in the paste bin under tech.
50N 10M
And we haven;t built a single one.
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>>1372834
>>1372842
I get the impression it's some sort of gestalt organism that shows traits of every form of life it's absorbed. That's how it can display elements of fungal and plant life while simultaneously taking on attributes hive life.
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>>1372843
Actually most disruptor are short ranged enough that "immediate area" is large enough to reach a drone outside of the the disrupted area.
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Holy crap, do we only have 2 planets? We might need to set up more hives to get our economy and industry really rolling. We've been building tall but not wide enough.
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>>1372854
And we still have a homeworld to liberate, which Ive mentioned in a previous thread and couldnt find the source for. thanks senpai
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>>1372842
I hope not.
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>>1372872
Amen, part of the problem with our rate of expansion up until now was that we were limited by our need to stay under the radar of the Union and other space powers, but that time has passed now. At this point we can settle any and each world in the expanse at our pleasure.
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>>1372875
Don't think it's the homeworld but it's definitely connected to the old queens.
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>>1372856

Yes. It solves the jaming problem and is something the bitch doesn't have. Plus the parasite can totally destroy thr unit if it's captured... if we add that option.

We don't want Wuern bitch copying it. Plus if they totally look like bugs there is less chances for humans to find they are half humans.
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>>1372872
Let's colonize Waystation and drift then.
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>>1372904
Drift is Black Queen territory and Waystation is already colonized by us.
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>>1372904
>>1372884
Yep, we gotta colonize. Its like we are at lategame tech while everyone else is still in earlygame only having 1-2 bases, good army but small max industrial capacity.

We gotta do this while we can, ain't gonna have time for it when the war with OQ really kicks off
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>>1372915
It is? Pastebin just has
>Drift – A rocky, metal rich rogue planet set adrift in deep space. It is covered in kilometer wide trenches and fissures in its crust that run the length of continents, which are filled with exposed metal deposits and ruined hive structures.
What forces does she have there?
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>>1372915
We should start building colonizing fleets. Also if we help the Valen with their profits maybe we will manage to speed up the decision to give the hive the expanse. They were also already leaving tanahauser/kerikshakar already.
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>>1372915
When did we get waystation?
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>>1372843
>108N
Bugga what. A Thinker with a moderate relay is 56N to lay. 57N if you add acid glands.

And it would be capable of controlling a great deal more than 13 drones.
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>>1372904
Problem with those worlds is that they have no environment or biosphere of their own, and the hive operates by taming an existing ecosystem and learning how to cultivate biomass from it. Hence why we use almost exclusively electrosynthesis on Leeland and good photosynthesis based lifeforms on Raligha. We couldn't even plant an ecosystem on either of those planets as neither of them have a sun, so we need to focus on a planet with an existing biosphere, like Darwin to really and truly settle it.
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>>1372949
They both have metals however, which we should get.
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>>1372938
When we blinked a pod in to scout the planet it's flash was spotted by her fleet. I'm uncertain how large the fleet there is though.
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>>1372959
Oh absolutely, but we need biomass as much as we need metal so we ought to focus on bringing in both wherever we can.
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>>1372843
We'd definitely have to put explosive glands at a bare minimum on each moderate relay drone. If the OQ has disruptors or other corrupting bullshit it may be able to compromise the moderate relay or seize it, and then use it to fuck with the advanced relays which would lead to our whole network and the queen.

I still think it's risky, but if we really want to make this many moderate relays and have them actively boarding enemy vessels we need redundant self-destruct mechanisms to ensure there is zero possibility of them being captured or infected.
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>>1372940
We don't actually need fleets for colonizing. Any fleet will do but we have to actually colonized the system first.
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>>1372949
Yes, this exactly. Although in the long run we could create a biosphere and run it with hive ecosystem. Something to think about later.

>>1372959
Yes but we also need N and more industry of all sorts, warriors don't grow from rocks after all. Atleast I hope not.
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>>1372978
*fleets made for colonizing to colonize planets
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>>1372976
>>1372976
>or seize it, and then use it to fuck with the advanced relays which would lead to our whole network and the queen.
That's not a thing that can happen. Only advanced relays can be exploited to jam the entire network. Moderate relays don't "lead to" the advanced relays any more than a regular drone's basic relay does, since both are in communication with the Advanced ones.
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>>1372949
or we could make a specialized drone that can naturally make the food we need and then attach it to a fusion reactor it could use the energy gained from the fusion reactor to make the food we need we wouldn't even need a sun and if we really need lighting we could just make a bioluminescent hive creep varent
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Oh you know what? This discussion has got me thinking. We could build shit right up in orbit, since we rely on photosynthesis for some of our income. Think craftworlds or habitat stations, we could put our farms in ships for even more income.

We could also try out a dyson sphere. If that is anywhere near plausible in the future.
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>>1372995
If you say so...

If our advanced relays can completely block out "corrupted" moderate relays from our own hive or keep them from effecting drones in the system I don't have a major concern about including moderate relay drones in boarding parties besides cost.
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>>1372995
Well, its still good to be able to self destruct right? Like in the scenario that filthy humans get their hands on our relays, we wouldn't want them to try researching us would we?
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>>1373007
maybe start with o'neil cylinders but with our space city tech we're heading in the right direction at least
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>>1373022
Naturally. Plasma grenades for everyone!

We don't want the OQ reverse engineering heavy armor, thermal blades, or vibro blades from our drones after all.
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OK i finally found the white crystal description.

>Psionic fortification
A strange mixture of organic components assembled into a crystalline matrix, the strange white crystals not only can serve as a kind of memory storage device, but also as a component in a psionic relay. When incorporated into a drone, it replaces the portion of the brain maintaining the psionic link to the queen and serves as a mixture of fuse and signal booster, allowing the relay to broadcast to drones suffering from psionic jamming, and can protect itself from jamming by cutting off its ability to receive thoughts.
The process of installation does not cost anything, but requires a white crystal be implanted into the selected relay to function.

So basically a white crystal drone allows it to boost our orders to nullify any drones suffering from psionic disruption, however from what i understand it can't protect itself so it has to either stay out of range or be preordered to signal boost if it encounters psionic disruption.
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>>1373022
Sounds good to me. We have too much juicy tech we don't want other factions getting their hands (or claws) on.
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>>1373023
We don't even need to rely on shitty old fashioned centrifugal force to generate artificial gravity anymore though, we can just build fuck huge space cities hundreds of kilometers long if we want.
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>>1373023
sadly I doubt we'll ever get to the point of building megastructures since it would break the game.
if we ever got to the point where we could starlift we would be able to out grow every faction we know
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>>1372996
We have those.
>>1373007
And those.

They're basically fusion farms and solar collectors. Fusion farms being more efficient, since obviously they're much closer to the deliberately-controlled fusion reaction than the solar collectors can be to the uncontrolled reaction in the sun.
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>>1373043
Actually we could create a megastructure with the Skyl ringworld debris if we had the right tech and do it in a timely manner.
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>>1373043
megastructures didn't save the Skyl.

>starlift
I don't think megastructures imply being able to do that either, whatever that is.
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>By the time i found the white crystal description the discussion for what to do against psionic disruption was already over.
God dammit.
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>>1373063
Star lifting is fancy term for manipulating stars to do thing. Star mining is one of form of star lifting that the Union is technically not even doing right.
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>>1373063
it's basically using a dyson sphere to harvest a sun of its metals and helium to give you an almost limitless supply of building material
>>1373051
tech doesn't really matter to megastructures we could build one today with our current technology we just like the manpower to do it
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>Help Palmer with the biological study

Several guards, now faceless within their combat hardsuits, escort Gilliam and Palmer out of the control room as the both of them carry a number of crates filled with various lab instruments. As they move down the hall you see a number of stationary turrets running through their startup sequences and motion trackers being installed along the walls.

The lab is covered in blood. Human red, and a more sickly black, almost like ink, coating much of the space around the charred behemoth. Its multitude of legs are outstretched and contorted in gnarled clusters like mangled tree roots and it smells like an animal caught inside a burning tire. Palmer and Gilliam cover their faces and pull out a set of rebreathers as they approach what was once an airlock and unfold a pair of basic hazmat suits from their crates.

"First impression?" Gilliam asks. Palmer looks at the body for a long moment.

"We don't know enough yet for an estimation but... Some kind of hive parasite?"

"What do you mean?"

"Humans can get lice that lay eggs in our hair and feed on our blood. Valen have an animal almost like a coconut crab that does something similar and nests in the gills. The taidaren could be considered to actually be parasites, and despite it often being a bad idea to mistakenly compare alien life to known biology, Earth ants and other colony superorganisms all have predators that mimic a member of the collective to feed upon its other members with impunity." Palmer says. "If we scale up the concepts of biology to include the entire hive, rendering individual drones to a position more akin to organs or body cells, such a predator could be considered a parasite."

"That would mean it can somehow mimic the hive's method of biological IFF." Gilliam replies as he pulls out several surgical implements from his crate. "Which is quite the accomplishment given we can't even identify how their method of communication works. Leading theory from the Clark expedition was radio signals and sonic vibrations."

"Both totally unfounded." Palmer says. "And yes, I read the papers. Dr.Seiner had a wide range of theories providing a rather comprehensive explanation of how little he knew about their species beyond cursory observation. With the observation we have seen so far, and the ambient recordings provided from their arrival on Gemini and even Seiner's field recordings, there is no way they are producing sufficient sonic or radio signals to transmit the data they are clearly sharing. That, plus a number of other more peculiar incidents." He says.

"I'm not sure what you mean." Gilliam says. Palmer looks back at him as he carries a long tripod, assembling it over the corpse as a portable bioscanner flashes to live.

"What, you don't think Windsor would assign me all this and not send me at least the basic lab reports on the relevant topics?" He answers, his suit muffled with his breathing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0U1P4lzkY4
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>>1373085
IT AINT DEAD DIMWIT
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>>1373085
hu very interesting so its like the head fungus we encountered when we were a new hive i wonder why it didn't respond to our signal is it defective from its time in the ice or is it specialized to prey on a specific hive signal from birth?
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>>1373137
If the drone could respond to a signal then it would have shutdown from the parasite trying to control it.
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>>1373109
Hehehehehe
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>>1373137
Not sure what it'd gain from doing so. We would easily be able to tell it had intelligence of it's own. If the theory's right, it likely tries to pretend it be an unobtrusive drone as far as the other drones are concerned.
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>>1373137
Could be either of those things. But remember we didn't pick up any kind of psionic signal from it whatsoever. Even less than we pickup from the blind or regular creatures. So it may be that it has a form of psionic cloaking similar to the phantoms if it's an actual hive parasite. I doubt it's a parasite on hives, though. Palmer is just talking out his ass. We know way more about the situation than he does. I do wonder what the Barren (reborn) queen will think about this given her long memory.
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>>1373155
I was thinking more of the charred dog corpse that they dragged back from the Norway camp
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>>1373085
>music selection
Here we go.
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>>1373085
Lol knew it the inside isn't burnt so it's inside is creating a new body for the rest of the living mass.
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>>1373171
I was lazy and I kept thinking of someone sticking their hands in too deep.
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>>1373149
it's not a drone though and i meant more like the parasite hijacks a drone's psychic impression and implants it on its offspring then the new parasite would be able to pass off as one of the drones but wouldn't respond to other queens signals
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>>1373185
It was a good scene no doubt, but it showed how deep it spread and then head crab happens and it just wack
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>>1373166
Psionic cloaking is unlikely. Psionic insulation is the more likely scenario.
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>>1373166
that's true but it gets my world building mind going thinking that there might have been a species of hive that could make parasitic queens like real ants can it's unlikely but still fun to speculate about
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>>1373085
Palmer gestures to several of the guards standing by, each aiming some manner of weapon, be it plasma thrower, shotgun, or rail rifle.

"Keep an eye on this thing." He says. "The outer shell is roasted but we can't be sure what the insides look like until we crack it open." He turns back to Gilliam as he walks back to retrieve more equipment from the crates while Gilliam places the surgical implements on a table, each one far larger and more robust than any human surgery would require, and from your estimation they seem to be intended for operations on valen or large animals, judging by the implements that seem almost wholly dedicated to penetrating a hardened armored shell like a set of large, pneumatic lobster shell crackers with a set of diamond circular saws built in.

"I didn't exactly have the time to get up to date on all the things you were cleared to know, and honestly I don't know much more myself." Gilliam says. Palmer shakes his head as he pulls out a portable laser drill typically used for asteroid prospecting.

"I know enough to start putting things together. It's not that we just don't know how the hive communicates, it's that we don't know how to detect it. I suspect they are using some manner of transmission we just don't comprehend. Given the size of their sphere of influence, it is entirely possible they have some manner of interstellar communication beyond our understanding. To them, it may very well be a kind of direct mind-to-mind communication, if it has enough bandwidth." He seems to ponder for a moment, his gloved hand rubbing his chin through the rubber of his suit. "Perhaps a kind of advanced quantum entanglement. That could explain the need for a centralized authority, if every drone or local colony is connected to the queen, they could support the cerebral offloading seen in the bodies we recovered. It could be most of their brains is dedicated to long range instant communications which functions to offload the thought process of the drone to a central command structure, a central hive brain, either a leader caste or a singular focal point of the hive itself."

"Usually superorganisms function on a more even distribution of the hierarchy." Gilliam says.

"Yes, but if that were the case we should be able to see some more individuality in the drones. The body scans we pulled when we first brought in the bodies was far more specialized than that. It is possible the drones have a more distributed nervous system, but I was unable to find anything akin to a sub brain, and a body that large just can't function with a totally distributed nervous system, not in any intelligent way at least. No, in order to function as a single entity, while maintaining cohesion, based on what we've seen so far, I can only theorize they export their thought process to a kind of thinker caste or central command structure which would guide the entire hive.

cont.
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>>1373262
Smart man
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>>1373262
>>1373268
We should give him a 'job offer', honestly. The benefits are just too numerous to turn down, after all.
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>>1373268
Guess we need to adopt or kill him? If we are lucky the thing might do it for us.
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>>1373279
>>1373282
Too risky given that if they manage to get out there going to be checked like mad in quarantine, may even be possible of gill to be outed if we roll bad
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>>1373262
So this is why that anon suggested bullshitting individuality. They've pretty much known since our first interactions and their guesses are close enough.

Probably, if Palmer knows this much then the uppers already believe in at least Queen = Hive Control or Speakers = Hive Control given what they've seen. Guess we're not really sneaking this around anymore.
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>>1373292
>>1373282
He seems like a very intelligent individual. If we can ever find an opportunity to shanghai him, we could use him for research. I just think it'd be a waste to kill him.
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>>1373300
well it was an inevitability but also not that big of a deal.
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>>1373300
They sent a smith to infiltrate and locate the leadership back when they used lee as an ambassador

And setting up the nukes indicated they saw us as a major threat

They must of had been able to retrieve some records of us either in there dig sites or from skyl artifacts but weren't sure we were the same thing in the references
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>>1373309
Nukes were standard procedure. They could just keep them in orbit until they were needed,even if it was thousands of years later.
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>>1373307
Thankfully. Would've been fun to fuck with 'em more though.
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>>1373306
nah we've got Elizabeth, shes a much better scientist. Plus, he works for killinger.
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>>1373323
Not to such an extent that Theseus was surprised by it
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>>1373327
That line of thinking is stupid.
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>>1373306
Just watch, he was classmates with Elizabeth.

She knows all the mad scientists in the Union afterall
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>>1373323
>Nukes were standard procedure.

Now now, Anon. Don't believe *everything* the government tells you.
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>>1373327
C'mon, the more scientists you shove in a room the better. That's how shit gets done!
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>>1373323
Just because it was doesn't mean we can't be offended about it. We are trucking offended by that.
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>>1373353
Oh im not saying were aren't, just that they didn't do it for any reason that was out of the ordinary.
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>>1373353
>trucking
Just say "fucking" faggot.
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>>1373334
I know Lee was surprised but Theseus was as well? Do you have the thread that's in?
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>>1373366
Probably autocorrect
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>>1373376
Hive Queen Quest 15 No.33389401

"Interesting. A standard monitor satellite linked to the local intelligence office. Perhaps..." you feel him trail off in a series of calculations. "I do believe with sixty percent certainty that the Union considers you to be above class 1 or greater."

Dont remember what Class 1 means but i think indicate that we a par or greater than union tech level
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>>1373433
Class 1 was a catch all term for FTL capable civilizations with influence across multiple star systems if I'm remembering right.
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>>1373433
And then this after we kill the smith they sent

Hive Queen Quest 22.5

No.34550194
"From this information it appears to be what humans refer to as a 'full mod', or a full body modification. The process leaves the human brain within highly unstable. It's a limitation of the human brain. Their physical prowess is exceptional, but yes, they have been known to act recklessly. Even we have a difficult time capturing one when they are sent against us, and they usually self-destruct when capture becomes inevitable.
There is a short pause. "What exactly did you do to attract this kind of attention?"

No.34550529
"Nothing apparent."
"Well, they clearly believe you to be of some interest. The name, by the way, is a moniker. All such agents typically claim to be named as a Smith of some sort."
"Would it have any transmission capabilities?"
"Impossible to know for sure. It is possible to conceal a quantum communications device within such a body, although it would be capable of only the most rudimentary of communication. Low definition still pictures would be the limit, and it would take a short time to finish transmission. Such a device would be exceptionally expensive, however, and we rarely ever find them. Typically such devices are used only in suicide missions of great importance. Have the humans left yet, or have they been destroyed?"
"No, but they seem to be leaving."
"Excelent." You sense the Clarke accelerate back towards your system, although it remains below light speed for now.
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>>1373449
So yeah they had some knowledge about there being biotech users, but didn't have enough to id us completely
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>>1373433
>>1373438
Class 1 is pre industry.


0- pre-history. No development or invention. Avoid contact.
1- pre-industry. Tendency towards tech worship and sudden acts of violence. Avoid contact.
2- industrial. First contact is recommended. Introduction of new manufacturing processes to produce dependency recommended prior to annexation.
3- post industrial. First contact must be performed at once. Prevent further development. Introduction of quantum computer processes to operate infrastructure to develop dependency is recommended prior to annexation.
4- pre-FTL. Classified as the moment a member of their species breaks orbit.
First contact recommended. Halt development via commodity and commerce based dependency prior to annexation.
5- FTL. Avoid direct contact. Alert Parliament immediately and await further instruction.
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>>1373262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8UF1xQimE&

Palmer attaches the laser drill to the tripod and it extends its legs until it reaches several meters above the body, its sensors coming to life with a strained buzzing.

"Now we should give it space while we cut through the carapace. From what we saw of the smaller sample, it could still be alive, or at least have some autonomic threat response." Palmer says as he backs away. The guards begin to stand back, holding their weapons up at the body as Gilliam installs the sawblade cracker into its port on an extending arm beside the body, and backs away as the two of them operate the levered boom of the surgical saw. The laser drill fires a burst, chewing into the carapace with a scent of burning hair until it lets out a beep and a screen comes to life with a holographic projection. The drill itself originally designed as a prospecting tool, its beam analyzes the materials it drills through to help find valuable ores. With modifications, it is now giving a basic readout of biological matter.

"Just as I thought, the inside seems largely intact, although consistency is rather unusual, even for an alien life form." Palmer says.

"I'll have to admit, this level of xenobiology is a bit past my own purview, at least in regard to this particular machine." Gilliam replies. He's heard of this kind of sensor, of course, typically used in autopsies of valen and as a cheap treatment for a kind of tumor-like hereditary disease in their species, but he had never used one in his research.

"See the creases here, and there?" Palmer says as he points out lines of static in the hologram. "We should cut it open there. I'd like a better look at what that is. You can see other anomalies around the target sample area as well. It's almost as if its insides are... folded over in on itself." The two hoist the boom, assisted with built-in move assists, and bring it down on the carapace slowly as it gradually sinks into the shell and begins to retract along the boom, dragging the saw through the carapace. They pull the blade out after a short distance, and the metal claw plants itself into the wound, slowly prying it open with the whine of hydraulics as a cloud of steam rises from the soft body within. The guards snap their guns at the exposed flesh ready to fire, several of them inching closer with their weapons.

"Don't shoot it yet!" Palmer says. "I want to at least get what information I can out of this thing. Especially if we're going to find out anything about the other one." He slowly inches forward, Gilliam just behind, and the two wave away the steam as the simmering flesh begins to cool.

"Fascinating." Palmer says "Well, as I suspected, the inside was steamed like a boiled crab, but look at this. These organ compositions. I've never seen such an array of materials."

"Is that an eye?" Gilliam asks.

"And teeth." Palmer says. The two look over the strange mishmash of haphazardly distributed flesh with unease.
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>>1373518
When QD wants to turn up the horror movie setting in this quest, he cranks that shit to 11.
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>>1373155
Huh they avoided the trap
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>>1373545
Can you say "spear tongue" or "acid spit"?
I know I can.
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>>1373555
They may actually be able to avoid those

The are acting genre savvy or just getting good rolls

Do ya think there is a way to to put them off guard?
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>>1373567
Id prefer for them to stay on guard. What they learn about the creature, we learn about it, and more importantly I want Gilliam to stay alive.
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>>1373578
It is in our collective interest for shit to hit the fan though.
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>>1373589
Once he's in a panic room first
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>>1373589
Not really. They may ask for advice, but asking us to perform military operations in one of their own cities when they have a perfectly serviceable army here already is unlikely. Unless you have a different reason?
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>>1373589
But our mole is right next to the damn thing. We do want shit to hit the fan, up until it could become hard to contain.We dont want this thing to destroy all of path(some mayhem would be nice though) or for this thing to have to be another thing to worry about fighting.
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>>1373518
P U R G E
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>>1373605
To wipe out this lab and any research on hive tech being done here

And hopefully escape and manage to get a sample to see how it ticks
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>>1373518
Gilliam grabs a clawed instrument from the table and hoists it above his head, extending it to reach into the opening and grasp one of the matted chunks of flesh he recognizes as having some kind of eye. The flesh is layered like skin, and as he pulls it the chunk unfolds from its place, unravelling as deeper layers of flesh unfurl from organs and walls of muscle pull apart like a shirt unravelling from its seams. By the time the strip of flesh is pulled out far enough to view in full, almost an entire layer of skin has unfolded with it, flopping atop a pile of tendrils and unravelled insides.

"I may have focused my career in studying alien civilizations, but does that look like a face to you too?" Gilliam asks. Palmer's breath is shallow.

"Yes. Not a human one, but it has all the standard evolutionary hallmarks." Gilliam pulls further until it catches on some other piece of flesh, and the small chunk has almost inverted, dragging organs into itself until the strip of flesh resembles something almost like a corpse. He follows what look like limbs, although they are detached, sutured by nerve clusters to other organs in an array not unlike a rib cage, but the would-be bones have skin, covered in a reddish, iridescent scale hide. Palmer grabs his own instrument and helps drag the arms out of their place, cutting off the nerve fibers as the two begin to piece together a puzzle of flesh within the corpse. Another limb is found, just as long and slender. Then two more, shorter, with longer digits. Long curtain like flaps of scaled flesh unravel like curtains from a flesh pocket with small sinews of fiber running along it like flattened muscle as they set the long legs down along the body and the arms curled up along its chest.

"Some kind of high speed land predator maybe?" Palmer asks. Gilliam's gut twists. He plucks the long legs and drags them back up to the shoulder, and vice versa, and drapes a part of the skin flap over the longer limbs.

"Or an air born hunter." He says. You can recognize the complex, chainsaw mandibles and the four highly advanced eyes of a Phantom female huntress looking back at you, its body appearing like an unzipped suit than any real corpse, its components serving as organs and muscle fibers for the rest of the body.

"My god." Palmer whispers.

"There's more in here like it." Gilliam says, pointing to a set of clawed legs and several redundant bones of a composition unlike any hive chitin. and several parts of an otherwise fully formed jaw seemingly taken from some kind of fanged creature. You see several misshapen eye stalks folded together in a cluster, antennae arranged wrapped around a number of bones, and at least one arm, clawed and more brutish than you recognize, but clearly hailing from some ancestor of a Ralighan, the digit and joint arrangement is unmistakable.

"There are at least six different species here." Gilliam says.
cont.
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>>1373615
And do more damage to the Union's reputation.
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>>1373621
>Phantom
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>>1373621
Mom bioweapon? Our a group of queens helped planned this thing?
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>>1373628
Uhhh. why's that important?
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>>1373637
Only we, the barren queen, and the White queen know of them
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>>1373621
what the fuck
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>>1373621
>six different species
I think we missed a few sentients guys.
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>>1373621
This thing got into the WQ's lab when she was trying to experiment on other species and had several samples lying around?
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>>1373637
How the fuck does a Thing have a memeber of a species only two queens knew about that as far as we knew were never taken of their homeworld.
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>>1373637
If this thing absorbs species, then it probably copied the phantom's psionic cloaking
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>>1373637
Mom made them in her psi tech tree research alongside humies

So it showing in this thing means this thing may be moms creation
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>>1373621
Are these trophies? Or camo?
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>>1373651
>never taken of their homeworld
WQ had to abduct them to experiment on their DNA somehow anon.
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>>1373621
God dammit we need to ask the barren queen what this is now.
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>>1373653
God, it was so obvious
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>>1373653
We already suspected psi cloaking.

Except that if it were cloaked, Gilliam and all the other humans should not be able to recall any details of its appearance. It's not possible.
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>>1373651
Either the frozen world is a White Queen lab, or this thing is really a parasite that accompanied the White Queen's expeditions to multiple worlds somehow undetected.

I wonder what they will do if/when the scientists find human features. If they haven't seen things like that already. They would start to wonder why humans are mixed up in this ancient DNA from many different species. They might guess they were experimented upon thousands of years ago (given that's how old the sample is).
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>>1373653
that raises the question of whether or not it carrys spices over when it reproduced or if it has to start over each time
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We so have to get this thing

Wait does that mean the one that split off may no longer have the anti psi field anymore since it doesnt have the phantom parts?
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>>1373621
What the fuck.

We should jolt Gilliam and get him to point out that, whatever this thing is, letting it leave the facility would be a huge mistake. Potentially "glass the planet" mistake. It may or may not be able to disguise as a human, too.
Maybe something to the effect of: "I see at least three different species. None of which seem to hold any relationship to eachother. Whatever this thing is, it clearly got around or had dinner brought to it from offworld. And if the Hive drone is any indication, it may have a taste for intelligent life."

>>1373637
The thing is a fucking galaxy trotter. Having Hive life in it isn't a big deal. Drones are fucking everywhere. But Phantoms should've been relatively unknown. Also, their planet is pretty far away for something lacking space flight.
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We need an expedition to Djin ASAP.
Preferably heavily armed. With Orbital support
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>>1373680
And ask the barren queen if she recognizes this thing.
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>>1373674
+1 to informing Gilliam that this thing is Bad News and might necessitate drastic measures to keep them contained.
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>>1373674
Yeah, letting this thing out could be really, really, bad. As for its ability to duplicate different species - we could have Gilliam point out that if it truly is a parasite that can imitate hive life and all the other species inside it, it could duplicate humans as well.
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>>1373681
we should also get some guys to the perimeter of that lab.
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You know, if we manage to trigger the OQ spore pod that we know is in this lab, and that breaks out, it's the perfect chance for us to openly send down ships to help mop up the 'enemy hive' problem they have on Path.

And conveniently, hunt down this Thing too.

We just have to make sure we hear about it on Gemini or something.
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>>1373687
We've had a sewer hive under New Tokyo for days now, it should have been able to grow clones by now, but we haven't heard from it since the initial drones were sent in.
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>>1373690
How many radio signals is the lab sending out on this?

If we're pressed on this, we can just come up with another bullshit "we heard the screaming" excuse we used at Nowhere.
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>>1373696
QD should just say it was working and give us options of what it built or did.
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>>1373697
Odds are absolutely none since it's a pretty secret facility, and they have quantum comms for external communication.
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>>1373645
Or the thing eat then into extinction.
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>>1373621
Palmer begins jabbing the pile of flesh with a needled instrument at random, each time a click emitting from the device as its sample canister rotates and a new needle extends until the chamber is filled, and he detaches the canister.

"We can't be certain. All we know right now is the sample we took before had a triplex genetic structure, just like the hive." Palmer says as he brings the canister to a desk on the far wall and installs it into one of the machines. "I'll run a scan on the cell samples from some of the different species components and hopefully we can determine if it's all one organism or not." As the machine begins to hum to life you hear something in the distance. A long, muffled scraping mixed with a pounding of metal sheets. The guards jump, their weapons held up as everyone looks to the ceiling where a gurgling echo comes through one of the air vents, and the banging quickly fades away into the distance. Everyone stands perfectly still, with only the sound of the lab machines and the simmering of the flesh pile between them until Gilliam breaks the silence.

"You think this thing could look human?"

"I have no doubt." Palmer replies. "I just don't know how long it would need to do it."

>Speak with Palmer about the creature (write in)
>Discuss Djin (write in)
>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
>Other
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>>1373686
But could it mimic language in just a few days?
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>>1373711
>Discuss Djin (write in)
Is it secure enough to handle something like this?

They may have woken up another of these things
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Also six different species in one creature. Gods dammit i want to study it so much...
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>>1373711
>Discuss Djin
Seriously float the idea of having it glassed/blown up/somehow sterilized.
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>>1373711
>Speak with Palmer about the creature (write in)
Why are there six distinct mostly intact aliens in this things? Theories?
>>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
only if it can be done safely
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>>1373711
>Discuss Djin (write in)
"Call them and ask them to quarantine the entire system, no one enters or leaves."
"Also call the secretary counsil and get them to track and inspect everyone who was on Djin."
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>>1373711
>>Discuss Djin (write in)
Have our pods already in the area to focus on the planet. Send in several stealthed corvettes to take a look on the surface.
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>>1373711
Perhaps we should get all the spare clothing and suits locked up.

And have Captain Norris put wireless heartbeat monitors on all personnel or something, in case they're killed for their clothing and replaced.

And, well, personal curiosity, we can claim we feared Norris burning this thing's corpse despite our assurance that it's really, most sincerely dead.
>>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
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>>1373711
>Speak with Palmer about the creature (write in)

If this thing can look human we need to warn the staff. If the sentry guns are programed not to shoot at humans they're useless. The same is true of the guards if they trust anything that looks human that approaches. We need to establish contingency plans including, but not limited to, what we do if it breaches containment of the lab's "starship" level plating. What resources do we have?

(Possibly consider arguing for a "Smith" to come in and help clear the facility. Although that would entail major risk and I am not sure that would be a good trade off at this time)

>Other
Send a stealth fleet to Djin immediately. Have our secret sewer hive and any agents on the planet move discreetly towards the lab at once and prepare to intervene if our hand is forced. (don't send the terrorist troops, for obvious reasons).
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>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
I think this option is a trap.
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>>1373711
>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
i'm gonna vote for this just because i'm the one who suggested it.
it might be better to tell the guards to shoot on sight and ask questions later and maybe send a call for help from the boss
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>>1373753
I'll support this in addition to my vote.
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>>1373755
Yeah,
It can probably take control of the parasite and add it into itself,

Maybe it would allow us to communicate but gill would be free
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>>1373711
>Speak with Palmer about the creature "We should start using the ozzed parts in our chemical bath if this thing can mimic six different species the likelyhood of it mimicing humans are high. We might need to warn Norris about this."
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>>1373711
>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
Let's do it
WHAT COULD GO WRONG
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>>1373773
Or it would consume our parasite then gill from the inside.
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>>1373753
>>1373741
>>1373738
Seconding with the power of a paranoid quantum thinker.
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>>1373711
I'd just like to take a second here to say
I FUCKING CALLLLLLLLEED IT
SUCK IT "oh it's a hive drone it has 3na" FAGGOTS
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>1373751
Something to monitor biometrics of everyone aboard is definitely important, and might (or might not) ferret out any body snatching.

And for heaven's sake don't put that shit anywhere near our parasite.
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>>1373711
I forgot.
>Other
Ask the barren queen if she recognizes the thing.
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>>1373711

Backing
>>1373738
>>1373741
>>1373733
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>people going for the literal trap option
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>>1373711
Voting against taking a sample. We can still learn things thru a scientist we could implant and I just dont want this thing NEAR any of our drones.
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You guy's do realize it trying to hijack our drone would be met with acid explosions.
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>>1373777
See >>1373778
>>1373786
I'm still waiting for
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>>1373786
Aren't you many weeks late with this reveal?
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>>1373784
ok ok if we're actually considering taking a sample i suggest we take one with the excuse that we want to test its reactions to different chemicals
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>>1373711
>Speak with Palmer about the creature
Mention the disturbing number of different (ie entirely different body plans hinting at no common ancestor) species as well as that the creature may have a taste for intelligent life from the Hive drone.
Then add that we need to figure out how to keep it from escaping the facility. No matter the cost. After all, if it was a parasite of the Hive, what happens if it decides to parasite humanity? What if it can asexually reproduce?

>take a decent sized sample of the creature. but not secretly. take enough that if we decide to study it directly it's not immediately obvious our parasite took a few bites of the thing.
Store it in a tough container.

>send stealth ships to Djinn
Or if we have pods there already, lets take a closer look.

And this: >>1373792
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>>1373711
>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
Voting against this.
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>>1373802
disregard that second part, it's a mess of mistakes.
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>>1373801
And? I want to keep Gilliam under wraps. An acidslpoded corpse doesn't do us favors when they know that's how we do shit.
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>>1373801
Not all our drones have acid glands installed.
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>>1373813
And? Parasites obviously do.
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>>1373755
Agreed. We can study this in secrecy and security with our own drones without risking our parasite or the agent. There will be residue from this creature that will probably be recoverable later. It is not worth the risk to our own assets to introduce this alien organism to our parasite at this time, even if it is a tempting option.
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>>1373813
Parasites do. If we field it outside of the hive it explodes.
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>>1373711
>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite

Lets crank this horror party up to 11 What could possibly go wrong!
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>>1373711
i wonder if the creature has a core its described as being multiple creatures folded in on itself i so can we find the original
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>>1373839
Gilliam dies in agony and the Thing can now implant parasites in people?
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>>1373711
QD,some of these guys are joking about the parasite thing...right?...RIGHT!?
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>>1373773
>>1373778
That's maybe possible, but it's a bit of a leap.

It needed that slender body inside of this puppet shell to control things. That controlling part of it has left this stuff behind entirely. So there's nothing here that could take control.
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>>1373741
>>1373753

Backing. We should have sent more ships to the area yesterday and our forces are way faster than any Union response fleet.
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>>1373845
>slender creature fled this empty shell
Gee I fucking wonder.

This drone shaped shell was cobbled together from other bodies but we already knew there was a core that escaped.
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>>1373853
so it shed its "skin" in order to escape and we just assumed that it was reproduction
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>>1373798
No risk no reward? Besides when was the last time that when we got greedy we manage to make it bite back at our asses?
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>>1373860
Yeah I admit I thought it was something like the Carnotar at first where when the parent dies or is significantly injured the young hatch and escape
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>>1373852
I sure hope so. Although I have a feeling QD wouldn't have included the option as being votable if he didn't intend to go through with it if Anons voted for it...
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>>1373865
well it makes it far less of a danger if it's not capable of reproduction we only have to worry about the one right now
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>>1373808
>What if it can asexually reproduce?
It definitly can since he popped another one before Norris and the security guys finished burning the current corpse.
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>>1373860
That makes sense. So there's no point of taking samples here - this isn't even the core.
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>>1373866
Some Anons are obsessed with putting parasites in things
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>>1373884
Actually studying the different species inside it would be good. We only know two of them.
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>>1373884
well it might be interesting to see all the spices it ate we might be able to tell where it originated although it does feel weird rummaging through the things poop
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>>1373753
Supporting this

Whatever it is, it needs to die and die now.
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>>1373866
Anons never learn. This is exactly what happend when we got greedy and tried to capture BQ relay last time and she managed to identifie us.
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>>1373884
No, that just makes it relatively safer to sample than dealing with the core.

There are probably some interesting modifications to make the corpses work together as a whole.
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>>1373902
How was that a tactical loss or avoidable in any way? She was going to realize this was the White Queen's spawn eventually.
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>>1373711
>>Try to take some of the creature in secret to study it directly with your parasite
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>>1373865
Carnotar Chimera when?
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>>1373906
"eventually" but not right then if we hadn't done it. Time is a resource you should not take for granted.
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>>1373911
Parasited Grek pets as guard dogs for hybrid clones when?
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>>1373919
That still doesn't explain how it's a tactical loss.

Auntie is like Mikey, she hates everything. She'd hate us and want to kill us no matter who we were. We'd already skirmished before.
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>>1373919
What time? She was already attempting to wipe us out dumb ass.
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>>1373919
not really besides we could have ended her right then and there and we were so close it was worth it plus we learned a lot about her tech and relays
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>>1373931
Time till she figures out a way to beat us
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>>1373944
That sure is a non sequitur that has nothing to do with whether she knows who your mom is or not.
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>>1373922
Greks are the fire-breathing mounts for our human agents

Shade Hounds are the hunting dogs
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>>1373711
I'm going to support these several votes, don't start glassing anything yet but get prepared to do anything and everything to lock this thing down.
>>1373738
>>1373741
>>1373753
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>>1373956
If you glass it you can't study and reverse engineer it of course.
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>>1373952
man i wonder how amused QD get by our tangents we really resemble thinkers in that regard
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>>1373927
>>1373931
>>1373938
Have you thought about misdirection? There are many situations where if we made her think we were from another line, say the gardener or one of the others with worlds distant from us, and gave OQ a few nudges in that direction?

Its a tradeoff between a chance to do harm to her or a chance to lead her around in a circle for a bit, I'm more defensively inclined so I'd favor the latter.

>>1373931
Before you start calling me out as a dumb ass, can you learn how to be civil and atleast try to understand someone else's viewpoint?
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>>1373972
Many situations where if you misdirect her about lineage, what.

English motherfucker.
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>>1373966
Oh I know that he does
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>>1373927
Miss direction. Same thing that made her realize we aren't from hive system. But the big fuck up was in nowhere were the crystals saw us and fucked shit up.
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>>1373972
well i can kinda see your point but her saying we were from the white queen was more logic on her part by the time the white queen died the others had been dead for a millennium
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>>1373972
Don't worry about that guy. I think I recognize him from other threads. He thinks his shit don't stink and is fond of calling others who disagree with him Morons. Just ignore the insults as they don't add to the fun of the quest in any way.
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>>1373972
Your viewpoint offers nothing of value anon.
>Have you thought about misdirection? There are many situations where if we made her think we were from another line, say the gardener or one of the others with worlds distant from us, and gave OQ a few nudges in that direction?
None of this is or was remotely viable.
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>>1373990
aw yes miss direction what a bitch i asked her to take me to the highway and ended up on the freeway
(the joke got away from me at the end there sorry)
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Hey, we didn't get asked for a roll!
That means it turned out totally 100% A+-Okay.
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>>1374005
No roll to sneak it, roll later to analyze it.

Gilliam must be very sneaky.
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>>1373992
I was under the impression that she figured us as white queen's spawn from our psionic impression/signature/whatever it is when we dipped our balls in too deep and fucked up.

>>1373993
Yeah I really should

>>1373994
>None of this is or was remotely viable.
The scientific method wouldn't be remotely viable if we went by your logic
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I think the point here is that misdirecting the Obsidian Queen about our lineage wouldn't have done jackshit in the grand scheme of things, since the Obsidian Queen would still know that she's fighting another hive that is smart enough to know that targeting her advanced relays is basically an instant Gameover for her.

Whether or not she puts in more effort into this war because we're the spawn of the White Queen has so far been impossible to tell, and if she has, her recent showing certainly hasn't indicated such.
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>>1374023
It'd be in the short run though, even if its just for a few months of her thinking we were from a different direction of the galaxy we'd be able to do a surprising amount. We are hive after all. But whats done is done, we're pass that point anyways.
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>>1374029
well it's not our fault anyway theseus was the one that kicked her hive and started her moving in our direction
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Has QD been taken and replaced by the Thing?
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>>1374021
>The scientific method wouldn't be remotely viable if we went by your logic
Well if you use flawed logic in using the scienctific method would of course be useless.
>>1373972
So the big question you don't seem realize is how did she figure it out? It has nothing to with our actions.
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>>1374055
nah its the body snatcher which is something i'm a little excited about but it will be awhile before that happens
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>>1374029
She already knew which direction to go because of pods.
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>>1374023
You know I don't think she is aware that we have figured out psionic jamming. I mean, sure, it wouldn't take much of a leap to assume we've got it, it seems to be a relatively simple thing for a hive queen to develop, but she hasn't yet had any confirmation of it. So far we've never used them in any way, so she'd have no way of knowing about it.
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>>1374069
Yeah but she used it to kill the others and made sure to remove that weakness from herself cause she was the nerd sis
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>>1374075
We are all the nerd sis
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>>1373711
"What do you make of the bodies then? Some kind of disguise made from its meals? I don't see how it could fit into these body types." Gilliam says. Palmer nods.

"Yes it is a conundrum. Perhaps it isn't a disguise so much as... pre assembled organs?"

"We saw it bud some kind of spawn." Gilliam says back. "I'm still just wondering if that was the main body, or if they were both equal in importance. This section seemed to continue to fight on even after the smaller spider left, but still."

"Yes, some animals have been known to rip off a part of itself to distract predators, with the body part remaining active. Some octopi can even kill things with their tentacles by ripping them off and throwing them at an enemy to have it fight on its behalf. It could be something similar, but you saw how the core sample was behaving? It's just as possible this creature is more decentralized, although it doesn't seem to be on a cellular level, given the petri dish cultures died on their own, I'm not sure if the body parts need to be joined to the larger body to function." Palmer looks back at the lab machine as it hums away, the first set of data coming up on the screen as its genetic structure is slowly studied.

"Well, these cell samples seem to have the same genetic structure as the core sample. They aren't just different species held inside the body, they are a part of the body as a whole, although any more detail would take months or more, all I can do right now is compare these cell samples to what we collected earlier."

"So it can adjust its shape..." Gilliam says.

"Or at least parts of it." Palmer replies. Gilliam looks over the body for some time, your own visage standing over it with concerned interest. A mote of light shines beside you, its ebbing glow fading into existence in the corner of Gilliam's perception. The Queen's mind is weakened in her current state, her signal dry and worn from disuse as her imprint creates a faint, fluttering winged creature that comes to rest on the shoulder of your figure.

"I do not recognize it, but I recognize what is within." She says. Your mind glows in agreement as a wave of familiarity washes over your understanding.

"I have never seen these before, but their bodies... I have felt them." A ravenous beast head with six eyes and a tooth filled maw is assembled in your mind from the scattered flesh strips you can see within the body. The rest of it, unseen in the corpse, comes to you unbidden as your new vassal offers her understanding to you. Its form is large, nearly a third larger than a gorilla of Earth, its arms clawed and fur covered. Your mind's eye strips away the flesh to find a potent internal organ matrix, layers of fat and blood vessels filled with a viscous fluid like antifreeze.

"It is not from here. The genetic heritage of this creature hailes from the Dynasties of the Ark. It was used to prevent damage in frozen environments on untamed worlds, but fell out of favor as time passed."
con
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>>1374117
Hive queen quest beta time?
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If this Thing disguised itself as human, wouldn't it still be completely naked? Or have bloody, patchwork clothes from what it can scavenge?
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>>1374128
That's the Queen Formerly Known as Barren, you doofus.

QD just didn't give her a title of any kind. The Phantom Queen I guess now?
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>>1374128
No our daughter is telling us what this shit is.
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>>1374128
Nah, I think that's the Barren Queen talking with us. She's weakened in her current state (undergoing reconstructive surgery in our pod), but still aware enough to help us out here.

If this is a fragment of a 3rd queen, that's another story entirely.
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>>1374144
Shes an aunt, not a daughter
Respect her age and experience
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>>1374142
Scarred queen is good if the surgery leaves marks.
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>>1374142
>>1374144
>>1374148
>Frozen
Just my tired brain making leaps of judgement
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>>1374075
I don't see how it would be possible for a queen to remove that weakness from herself, even through crystal fuckery. All hives rely on tachyonic transmission to link drones together, and jamming throws one big ass wrench into the network.
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>>1374151
>Scarred Queen
I like
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>>1374151
I like "The Reborn Queen" myself.

>>1374150
She is, "technically" our daughter - at least in hive culture - after our repair of here egg sac with our own genetics. We can treat her as a daughter, albeit one older than us and deserving of great respect.
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>>1374117
So either this Thing obtained these species from WQ's labs which were cloning pre-Exodus creatures for...reasons...

Or it really is a hive parasite that has hidden itself in hives for millennia, and hitched a ride in the Ark. It might've used psionic cloaking to have been able to keep itself hidden and alive all that time, and this creature is what inspired the WQ's modifications to the Phantoms?
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>>1374150
For all intents and purposes that matter she's our daughter now. That's literally why it took her so long to get in the damn tank. Also she was never our aunt.
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>>1374157
>>1374163
I like 'the faded queen, the pale queen' myself. Just because I want to fuck with those cyclicists on Talgo.
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>>1374150
Cousin.

And we still haven't asked her her precise age, or the age of the Ark and her mother the Grey Queen.

All we know is she's been a NEET for 70 thousand years.
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>>1374117
I want that six eye beasts DNA, does the barren queen have it?
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>>1374117
Wait a minute. If this Thing has psi cloaking as we've speculated, and it's gotten Ralighans.

If it got Ralighans on their native planet, rather than from a WQ lab.

One of these things might have already infested our hives on Raligha, or hitched a ride on a ship to Leeland, right now.

We really need to have Decker program us a security system based on machines and not psionics, in case of a psi cloaked intrusion like that, and do a sweep of all our hives and ships.
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>>1374201
We don't even need that. Just ask for a local Theseus instance to control some robot security elements.
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>>1374201
There are bunch holes in your logic and one is in the introduction under psionic cloaking.
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>>1374236
That's why it's qualified with a bunch of 'ifs'.

We know it wasn't using psionic cloaking when the humans were looking at it, or they couldn't have recalled details. We can't rule out that it hasn't gotten the ability from the modified Phantoms though, and just hasn't used it yet.
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>>1374248
Your also forgetting that psionic cloaking inside the hive.
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>>1374268
*is obvious inside a hive
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>>1374273
>*is obvious inside a hive

No it isn't.

It'd definitely be possible for us to send a drone to infiltrate a hive of OQ's. We'd just have to do a stealth roll. QD said as much.

There's a chance it'll be detected, but there's a very good chance it won't be.
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>>1374117
"Advances in our general biological structure rendered Hive life less susceptible to the cold in short durations, and the adaptation was eventually discarded. The Gray Queen was among the last to use it, but she too discarded it in favor of more active internal heat regulation organs that became standard across us all after a new source was found." As her mind flows through you, you see a new organism emerge from the fog of thoughts. It is some kind of serpent, digging through a sheet of ice as its body steams with heat. You see them swimming through the ice in great swarms, shattering glaciers as they migrate from hot spring to hot spring. Their serpentine body is stripped of flesh, and you see a number of tubular glands grow in your mind. Each of them emanates thermal energy in a controlled manner as it burns various chemical compounds like a road flair. These glands appear in a drone, distributed within its body wrapped around extremities and circulatory systems. You find them in yourself as well. Their nutrient upkeep negligible and their function capable of shutting off in high temperatures, unlike the layers of fat and antifreeze blood filled organs of the other. Still, you can only wonder how this specimen came into contact with this animal, native to the space of your distant ancestors that has never been seen within human space. What's more, you do not recognize the presence of the organs themselves in the pile of flesh. This body did not possess the adaptation, but the creature that first sourced the genetic data is still somehow present within it.

You wonder how effective this creature would function in the cold. It certainly survived being frozen for a great length of time.

"What about Djin?" Gilliam asks at your mental pressing.

"What about it?" Palmer asks.

"Well. They've got Camp Thule sitting right on top of the site where they found this thing, and they already reported unusual ice caves in the area."

"Oh my god I'd almost forgotten. I tried to warn them already but..." He trails off as he rushes out of the lab. "I'll be right back!"

Gilliam looks back at the body as the guards glance away as one of them runs after Palmer shouting at him as he leaves down the hall.

>Take a sample for your parasite to study
>Leave the body alone
>Other
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>>1374288
It does have that cellular-level anti-freezing adaptation thingy.

>>Take a sample for your parasite to study

Well, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone
>Other
Contact the Sec chief about the shape-shifting and give heads up that palmer isgoing to the communications to warn the camp so they don't accidentally kill the guy
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So what we need here, is for a Theseus instance to set up CCTV camera networks throughout all of our facilities and holdings, and then set up a bay of thinkers with an optic of some kind to view the recordings. As mental cloaking probably isn't capable of passing through a digital camera.

Even better: Cyborg drones which perceive things digitally; Not concerned with what is actually around them, but only what is transmitted through the electronic implants. This would hopefully prevent any kind of psionic cloaking from being used against us, but obviously leave us vulnerable to chaff or something similar.

In all, I believe that the best option would be an electronic sensory implant which could be grafted onto a drone, supplementing - but not replacing - it's other sensory organs.
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone
Don't fall for the fucking trap! We can get a fresh sample from Djin you idiots!
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>>1374288
>>Leave the body alone
How exactly is the parasite gonna study that?
Sedate Gilliam then crawl out his mouth to sample the damn thing while hoping it wont wake up midway?

Have Gilliam swallow the damn thing?
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>>1374300
We actually don't know for sure if there are other creatures like this on Djin. It's obviously not native to Djin.
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>>1374299
No real need for the thinkers, just buy a big server array from the humans, stick it in a room, and load a Theseus on it.
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone
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>>1374288
>>Leave the body alone
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>>1374303
>Have Gilliam swallow the damn thing?
probably
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>>1374299
Anon you do realize our drones use cybernetics already right?
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone
Don't be that horror-cliche idiot who says "But think of the possibilities!" before subsequently dying.
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone

We can get a sample from Djin. It's very, very unlikely all samples are gone from there.

>Other
Send a fleet to Djin. We can be overt or stealthy about this, but it needs to be done.

Personally, I think we should be open about this. Just blink a sizable fleet over the colonists, claim they settled on an ancient hive and could unknowingly release horrors underneath, and for their own safety we will be taking possession of the planet immediately. We will be placing the colonists into a quarantine until such time as their safety can be assured.

We're taking over the planet anyway. We don't need to even be sneaky at this stage.
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone
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>>1374316
I dig what you're saying but if we do that they may make the connection that the Hive has insider information from the lab
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>>1374306
Why outsource to Theseus when we could have a direct extension that accomplishes the same task?

>>1374314
I was unaware that was I was describing was already present in our drones, my bad then.
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>>1374288
>Leave the body alone

>>1374299
Do this, and also graft a thinker to the server so that the thinker can confirm any and all contacts sighted. We get peace of mind, and Theseus gets free observation stations. I think it's #worth
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>>1374321
Depends, if we can get some info on the ground on how public knowledge the archeological activities on Djin are, we can bullshit that we heard something over the grapevine and came to check it out.
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>>1374316
>It's very, very unlikely all samples are gone from there.
What proof do you have? Because we have to operate on the assumption there are none.
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>>1374333
there are reports of an unknown mass deeper in the ice. Probably this Things ship or a nest
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>>1374323
>Why outsource to Theseus
All of our drones are inherently psionic. Even if we use cybernetics, the way the Hive process data could make it vulnerable to psionic cloaking. Theseus could build all manner of cross-spectrum sensors that would be invulnerable to this effect since he doesn't "see" data like we "see" it.
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>>1374316
It doesn't need to be done. The humans can enact quarantine.

Also, it doesn't really negatively affect us if more of these things get out or start breeding, assuming there is another of them on Djin at all.

Just because something is spooky to humans doesn't mean it's a threat to us yet. This is the native Tenebrians all over again.
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>>1374288
>Take a sample for your parasite to study
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>>1374331
We could check the ancient starmap here to see who's territory that was >>1372854
And claim the place a holy world.
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>>1374340
If these have any form of psionic ability, wether it be cloaking or other, they affect us greatly, and should not be brushed off.
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>>1374323
>Why outsource to Theseus when we could have a direct extension that accomplishes the same task?
Because outsourcing lets us have somebody who gives zero fucks about psifuckery in case of psifuckery.
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>>1374345
Yes, but we are still in strictly speculation mode. Not panic mode. Definitely not "risk implying to the Union we have a mole in their lab, despite our bullshit excuses that we have other reasons to be there" mode.
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>>1374333
Because it's a whole planet. The odds that the humans would recover the only remaining sample of this species on their first excavation of the surface of an entire hive network are very low. The fact that the humans discovered this effectively instantly on landing implies there are either a great number of samples on the planet, or the humans got insanely lucky/unlucky.

>>1374331
Or, we can just say that Djin is a hive planet and due to the sensitive nature of it being a hive planet we are taking over it now. If pressed we can say we are securing the planet now because it is being actively looted by the Union in spite of our warning to not do exactly that, but we don't even need to claim that as the reason we're taking over.
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https://youtu.be/OnNP0hPSekU?t=81
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>>1374316
I agree with the fleet, however I am against anything other than a cloaked fleet to monitor the planet, if shit hits the fan over there then we make an appearance.
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>>1374288
>>Take a sample for your parasite to study
MORE ADAPTATIONS HAHAHAHA
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>>1374349
Never said we should, only that tabs should be kept on them, and that they do pose a potential threat to us.
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>>1374299
It's so embarrassing to outsource our own hive's security though, even to Theseus. We can do it on our own just fine, really. We have Decker and Tech clones to program up our own quantum computer security system.

We have them design the camera bots and central server, and have the Thinkers feed the server live data on the known locations of drones in the areas the camera bots are sweeping.

The computer detects any discrepancies between what it sees and what Thinkers tell it and alerts us.
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>>1374348
Anon I don't think you quite understood what was being implied in the original post.
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>>1374366
This seems like the best logical jump from the original idea, and the Theseus part should've been written as "someone tech-savvy enough to do the job". But again, your elaboration is the best possible interpretation.
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>>1374366
That sounds the bestest.
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>>1374357
>sacrificing our mole for an obsolete adaptation we can just dig up on Djin
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>>1374366
Yeah, we probably don't want to be too dependent on/indebted to Theseus here, even if he is a very good friend. We can (and should) do it on our own.
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>>1374385
It wouldn't be the resistance to cold adaptation, anon. That one's not even present here.

And the doctor would probbbbably survive.
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>>1374287
>Take a sample for later study
>Other

Lets store small piece for later, we can come get it when we take over the planet
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>>1374385
Not saying your argument is without merit, but we technically have no guarantee that there are more of these things under the ice, or existent at all. I'm running under the assumption that whatever this thing is it's one of if not the last of it's kind in existence.
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>>1374389
I'm fairly sure that Theseus would do surveillance work for the rights to do surveillance work.

I also don't get the massive paranoia regarding Theseus. He's quite likely the single most helpful ally we've had, has no know reason to even consider betraying us, and has short and long term goals that are completely compatible with ours.
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>>1374296
>Leave the body alone
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>>1374396
This is actually the best way of going about it. Take a sample for later examination in an environment and time where we can do so without risking anything. If it's not too late, I'll switch my vote to this.
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>>1374401
I'm not paranoid about Theseus. He is our friend and would be totally willing to do this. I'm just nervous about letting a third party, even an incredibly friendly third party, install surveillance on a significant portion of the hive.

>>1374405
>>1374396
I still think this is too risky as we could be discovered trying to sneak a sample out of the labs... which could lead to no end of problems. Remember we couldn't even sneak a fly in here?

This is still a better idea than trying to get our parasite to take a sample directly, though.
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>>1374288
>>Leave the body alone
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>>1374401
Actually his long terms goals don't align with ours especially could put him in the same camp as the Void.
And what you see from everyone is that theiy dislike the idea of admitting we are incapable of dealing with something ourselves.
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>>1374410
I don't think we've ever tried smuggling any flies in. If a freakish spider shaped man sized abomination can get out through the vents, then our little invisible flies on the wall should be perfectly able to get in.
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>>1374422
That and Theseus is stingy with research and only trades it quid pro quo, and so are we.

If we had him patrolling the hive we'd have to let him into the labs and we wouldn't be able to sell anything to him if he figures out enough from watching us work.
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>>1374422
>Actually his long terms goals don't align with ours especially could put him in the same camp as the Void
This shit again? Why do you hate Theseus so much anon?
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>>1374422
>Actually his long terms goals don't align with ours especially could put him in the same camp as the Void.
>especially could put him in the same camp as the Void.
You're going to have to explain that.
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>>1374429
You do realize Theseus's goal is to gather information and the Void has the most information about everything. The only thing really stopping him is self preservation because his short term is not go extinct.
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>>1374437
Fuck, you're not wrong.

I just hope his new wife keeps him in line.
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>>1374437
Theseus also linked his network with Heretic aka Void hater #1. They would never have linked so closely if Theseus's ultimate aim was fundamentally incompatible with the destruction of the Void God.
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>>1374437
This is dumb. You're dumb.

But what >>1374442 says is true. Their unification with the Heretic engram prevents them from ever falling to the Void unless they have a very messy break-up with Heretic and that seems very unlikelyduring the timeline this quest will occupy
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>>1374437
What possible reason could he have to believe that the Void would share anything with him instead of exterminating/assimilating him like anything else it's interacted with?

Just because that knowledge is theoretically there doesn't mean that it's accessible, nor that he has to give any consideration to an option that is blatantly suicidal.
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>>1374442
>>1374449
Honestly out of every single race Theseus is the most likely to go to the dark side and Heretic is a terrible judge of character especially due to how skyl only care about teamwork in the short term.
Hell what theseus considers survival is very different from what we consider survival and Void seems to be similar to Heretic in nature looking back at the Nowhere thing.
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>>1374439
>>1374442
>>1374449
I mean, Theseus didn't even know what the void god was exactly, or what the void's side of the story is, at the time he was seduced by Heretic's offer of a military protection pact. Still doesn't.

Nobody's told Theseus crystals can spy on virtually any location in the universe regardless of distance or security measures either.

So basically, Void NTRing Heretic when?
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>>1374476
Bullshit, that's so ignorant of everything that makes Theseus Theseus
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>>1374477
>Nobody's told Theseus
I'm sure he's talked with Heretic about enough things that he knows about as much about the Void as the Skyl knew (and the Skyl were destroyed by it) and also more about Hive life than we might have known at the time.

Also, I feel it's worth mentioning that since the internal heat adaptation was found somewhere natively, it puts a major hole in the thought that the Hive is the progenitor race. It seems that even the pre-Ark hives didn't have this adaptation, so their genetic mastery may not have been as advanced at the time.

Perhaps it was the pre-Ark hives that made themselves into a hivemind and that somehow created the Void as a byproduct or as a mistake in advanced psionics research. Or just the old-fashioned Extredimensional Horror From Nowhere was simply attracted to the new hivemind of the Hive.
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>>1374476
Theseus' primary goal is actually the protection of humanity. He knows the Void is the biggest threat out there since he knows it wiped out both the Skyl and Hive, civilizations he know were incredibly advanced.

You're just worried he's going to go Brainiac on everyone. Calm down.
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Is QD still awake?
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>>1374507
Yeah, he just takes a while sometimes to write up something after calling for a vote because he wants to see all the entries before writing.
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OH SHIT! I just caught up from the archive, never realised you came back from that hiatus you took in september 2015.

QD what's up, thanks for running this, it's been great.
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>>1374288
Gilliam quickly runs after Palmer, another of the guards shouting after him as he follows close behind.

"Nobody goes anywhere alone, dammit you morons want to get killed?"

Gilliam finds Palmer adjusting several consoles in the control center, the rest of the staff largely missing.

"Where's everyone?" Gilliam asks, a guard looks over from his post in the corner.

"This place has too many entrances, and most of them are just made of glass. The Captain ordered non-essential personnel to be restricted to the common area where we're setting up a perimeter. It's an open area with little room for things to hide outside of our killzone, and the only way in and out is two metal fire doors. The habitation area was intended as an emergency room in the event of chemical outbreaks, so it makes more sense than sitting out here in this glass box covered in air vents." He says. "But we're stuck here until you finish up with your research."

"Right." Gilliam says. "Palmer, we should start wrapping things up. The machines will keep and we can monitor the data remotely." Palmer sits at his console adjusting the controls as he glances back.

"Right. I'm just working on getting a direct link. Go on ahead and I'll catch up." The two guards by the door look at each other, their helmeted faceplates blocking the view of their expressions.

"Like hell. Our orders are to stay here until the last of the egg heads are done with this room, and that's you two. I'd face that thing over the Cap any day."

"Ditto." The other guard says simply. Gilliam examines the rest of the control room, empty, save for the crates of abandoned lab equipment and empty munitions boxes. Most of the tables have been ransacked to make space for medical kits and assembled weapons, only the traces of which remain in the form of gun grease stains and the rare dropped ammunition rolling on the ground.

The console crackles to life with static as Palmer starts shouting at the screen. A simple error text appears indicating no camera is found on the other end.

"This is Camp Thule, we're reading you loud and clear. You know what time it is here?" A voice says.

"Thule, this is Palmer, from the lab. You need to avoid that anomaly under the ice. Avoid the entire region! Do you understand?"

"We were about to send you a report on that, actually, but we were waiting for more detailed information from our team, they're scheduled to report back in the morning."

"Recall them now!" You can hear someone mumble something in the background before the voice responds.

"The hell... look they're scheduled to be back in the morning but the nights here come with atmospheric static. We think it's the solar wind bouncing around in the atmosphere, sorta like northern lights on steroids. We won't have radio contact for another few hours but I'll call for a status update when we get them back. You're not going to believe what we found down there though."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stzS_Snc2Zw

cont
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>>1374484
On the contrary I have only brought up facts the most seem to not realize about. There's also the fact Theseus interpetation of survival is the preservation of his data which is interesting because it takes most of his preprogrammed goals (survive, evolve, learn, reproduce), with the exception of his social engineering goal, to their logic conclusion. So his goal of "survival" would quite clearly outweigh all other "goals" he has, however due to his chosen definition individual instances have little value.
Does that sound accurate?
>>1374502
Actually it's more accurate to call it "social engineering", however humanity has to exist for him to do that. Also all of that is meaningless without the survival of his data which he will likely hold above the survival of humanity.
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>>1374502
The Skyl were actually fairly primitive by his standards, they were barely just starting to get FTL.
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>>1374547
>You're not going to believe what we found down there though."
YOU FOOLS! YOU DUG TOO DEEP!

But all caps spamming aside, get a stealth fleet in there asap. Whatever it is they found there is no way we can let the Union get their filthy mitts on it.
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>>1374547
>"You're not going to believe what we found down there though."

That's not ominous at all.

Did we send in at least a stealth fleet yet? We need to contain this and having a fleet on hand will make additional options available.
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>>1374558
It's going to look suspicious. We should send a small detachment of fleets to all locations in the expanse.
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>>1374560
>Did we send in at least a stealth fleet yet? We need to contain this and having a fleet on hand will make additional options available.
By the way, for sending a fleet we can try acting surprised.

I.e.
>fly in
>"Hi, this is our ancient thing, sup you monkeys doing here?"
>"Wait. You did WHAT?!"
>"You done fucked up guys. Really fucked up."
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>>1374562
I'm fine with doing that too as long as we send SOMETHING there NOW.

I'm turning in for the night, but if any votes are called please count mine for sending a fleet to Djin as soon as possible. Stealth or visible - either is fine as long as we send something.

>>1374567
Good idea. Seconding if possible tonight.
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>>1374567
>"Oh you sent it to a lab."
>"And were planning to unfreeze it."
>"What does it do? Oh just eats entire biosphere of the planet."
>"Please at least tell us you have it in remote location with on-site nukes."
>"In a middle of a city? Oh dear."
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>>1374568
If we send a few ships to each system in order to establish communications with the different places, we'll be able to get in touch with the team on Djin and tell them they fucked up, then send in reinforcements.
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>>1374572
Yeah that's a good idea.

Send small squadrons to "observe" openly, then pop a bigger fleet when we "just now" see what's going on there.
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>>1374547
>A simple error text appears indicating no camera is found on the other end
THEYVE ALREADY BEEN CONSUMED
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>>1374567
It'd be less suspicious to just tell the Union that we've infiltrated them.

A cloaked landing pod with an egg layer, aquatic drones and some clones is the obviously superior choice.
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>>1374572
I can back this plan. We've laid claim to the entire expanse and made our claims public, it's only a matter of time before we have to start doing this anyway to make contact with our soon to be citizens.
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>>1374572
Yeah, this could work. It's smart. And it shows we're actually serious about our claim to the whole Expanse.
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>>1374547
Your pod orbits Djin in geosynchronous orbit, its sensors fixed on the Camp Thule site. You can see what they are referring to, with vast moving seas of charged particles rippling across the atmosphere and bombarding the surface with potent electromagnetic radiation across multiple frequencies. Your attempts to parse through it to find any radio signals fails utterly, although you can't tell if that is just because of the magnetic storm or because they have shut down all of their transmissions for its duration. The radiation is harming your other sensors as well, obscuring the majority of your scans of the surface and preventing any decent picture of the cavernous fields of ice below, or the camp itself. You do detect a number of thermal signatures, however, which match the general pattern and intensity of a small human settlement, with enough ambient heat detected to presume a number of power generators, several small habitation facilities, and some level of industrial machinery being present. According to your gathered information on the facility, it should have a mining rig as well as a full prospecting team accompanying the local team of terraformers and geologists.

>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a small swarm of ghost beetles and flies to secure the area and begin a small hive
>Blink in a small fleet to secure the planet and begin landings on the surface
>Remain in orbit and observe
>Other
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>>1374597
>>Blink in a small fleet to secure the planet and begin landings on the surface.

Blink a small fleet to all the other Expanse planets as well.
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>>1374597
>Blink in a small fleet to secure the planet and begin landings on the surface

AUDIT TIME
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>>1374597
>>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm
>>Other
Begin dispatching small, unstealthed fleets into every system in the expanse.
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>>1374597
Blink in a small fleet to all Expanse locations, ask them to remain to observe.

Simultaneously use a pod to land a team of hybrid agents.
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>>1374598
>>1374599
Hold up, if we dispatch a fleet to this world we need to send one to EVERY system in the exapanse, or else they will know that we're aware of what they're doing on Path right now. Let's hit everyone and use the excuse of territorial expansion as a cover.
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>>1374597
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm
>Blink in a small fleet to secure the planet and begin landings on the surface
And to every expanse world too.
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>>1374599
"Humans must go but your couches may stay."
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>>1374597
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm
>Blink in a small fleet here and to other expanse planets as well. Publicly claim to obverse.
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>>1374597
>Blink in a small fleet to secure the planet and begin landings on the surface

HELLO HUMANS! HOW ARE YOU? I HOPE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN DOING ANY STUPID EXPERIMENTS WITH ANCIENT ARTIFACTS AGAIN!
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>>1374606
Huh what?
Dude we already told them to stop digging stuff up and are now enforcing it

They cant trace this to what happening on path

And we also need to secure Darwin defiantly and send a fleet over to the skyl home system to send the message to everyone
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>>1374597
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm

Time to use some spec.ops hybrids. Kets see if our adopted children can deal with alien threats.
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>>1374613
Pretty much this. We're just enforcing an edict we already issued over our space. When we said stop digging up shit in the Expanse we meant it. Sending fleets to other locations in the Expanse as well helps hide our source of information and shows we're serious about our demands everywhere.
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>>1374549
Theseus' primary goal is the safeguard of Humanity, something you seem to be forgetting. He's also been proven to be largely immune to Void fuckery because of his non-carbon based existence.
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>>1374597
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm

Nooo fleet.
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>>1374613
If we single out Djinn, they will have to know we've got an agent on the inside. How else could we have known about what they're doing down there? There's no way we could deduce that they've dug up something related to the hive from orbit, and most of the communications would have been routed through a quantum relay. The simple fact that we targeted that specific operation will twig them to the fact that we have been watching them at the highest levels of their security apparatus.
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>>1374624
Why not blink in a small fleet here and over every other planet? It won't be traceable to Path in any way and it helps reinforce the seriousness of our territorial claims.
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>>1374597
>>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm
>>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a small swarm of ghost beetles and flies to secure the area and begin a small hive
Both of course
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>>1374613
We keep showing up at the exact right time to catch them with their pants down, so if we can make it look serendipitous then we need to take the opportunity to do so.

We want it to look like we're enforcing our territorial claim rather than stealing their find because otherwise it gives them another data point to reference in regard to our intel abilities.
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>>1374626
What's more likely from the Union perspective: That the compromised situation on Path drew the Hive's attention? Or that the Union exploration team accidentally awoke something that signaled the Hive when they were blundering about in an ancient hive?
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>>1374627
Because our fleet is already diverged over Gemini and helping the Commonwealth against the scavs.

We don't need a fleet we need agents on ground.
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>>1374626
What?
Man they know we are spying on them and they understand we know about holdings in the region,
We sent a fleets to nowhere and Gemini and also to the cw HQ after-all so that shows we got some idea of whats going in the sector

They cant ID a fleet popping up to some agent since we showed we been watching there fleet movements and know where there operating
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>>1374597
>>1374611
I guess this is a bit much. We should tell the Union ahead of time before blinking a fleet in, or it'll cause a diplomatic incident.

Changing to
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a team of hybrids agents on the planet and assess the situation under the cover of the storm
>Have a pod attempt to covertly land a small swarm of ghost beetles and flies to secure the area and begin a small hive
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>>1374636
It's unlikely that they'll figure out exactly what's happening but this isn't a chance that we need to take. It's not an all or nothing deal either m8, the more data points we give them to work with the more obvious our infiltration will look in hindsight further on down the road.
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>>1374637
And the storm is screwing with our scanners. Even with the fleet in orbit they will have a hard time scanning the planet.
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>>1374636
Yeah, but this drone was woken on PATH, lightyears away from Djinn. If we connect the events between the two worlds they're going to start putting the pieces together.
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>>1374640
>it'll cause a diplomatic incident.
I don't think it's possible for the Union to be in a more shitty diplomatic position at this point. Anything we do is going to cause a diplomatic incident.
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>>1374644
But we wouldn't want them to take rash actions while freaked out.
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>>1374649
Just having a relatively small number of ships in each system to make the humans see we're serious isn't rash.

We don't even have to get close. Just pop in, say "hey, we're monitoring this space, would the humans like to share their stories with the Hive? Please do not panic. This is not an attack fleet." and hang out for a bit.
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>>1374654
Anon they are already panicking.
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>>1374649
Dude, we've already told them in no uncertain terms to their face that we're going to claim every world in the expanse. This isn't even enforcing that claim or anything either, this is just putting ships in every system.

Which if you think about it, is exactly the sort of response the Union should expect for violating the explicit terms for using the expanse. This is the one thing we told them not to do, and now they're doing exactly that.
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>>1374597
>Attempt to covertly send a pod to land a team of hybrids under the cover of the storm

Please roll 1d100, best of 3. You will receive a substantial bonus to stealth attempt once your pod reaches the atmosphere, but its landing skill will be impeded. Fortunately, "landing" and "crashing" is often synonymous for pods already.

In addition, for the additional proposed option (please don't vote and roll at the same time. I won't disqualify any rolls because of it, just asking.)
>Send in a small fleet over Djin to observe
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
>Do not send a fleet yet in order to avoid causing further widespread panic and civil discontent
>Other
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Rolled 33 (1d100)

>>1374661
The worry is about "how do the bugs know we're digging shit up there" idea popping up.
so to oscure it, we'd be sending small groups everywhere, and then pretending we just discover that digging shit up is happening.

>>1374667
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>>1374667
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Rolled 11 (1d100)

>>1374667
For Mother!
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Rolled 89 (1d100)

>>1374667
>>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
FOR MOTHER!
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Rolled 12 (1d100)

>>1374667
First the roll.
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Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>1374667
>>1374672
whoops, For Mother!
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>>1374661
Exactly. We told them "don't do this or we might space war you" and they went and did that thing anyway.

>>1374640
>It'll cause a diplomatic incident.
We have a fuck huge fleet blockading the capital and essentially holding a gun to their head while the Commonwealth fucks them up the ass and possibly retakes Earth. I think we're a bit beyond international incidents.

If anything, this plays to our favor. We already told them that probing artifacts in the expanse invites disaster in no uncertain terms and that this is the primary reason we're taking it over now. This whole state of affairs gives us a good reason to tell them we're speeding up our timetable.

>>1374667
FOR MOTHER!
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>>1374667
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
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>>1374667
>Other
Send a cloaked fleet and keep it on standby at the edge of the system.
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>Gillam was present for the raid that lost them Lee
>That was revealed to be our work to those in the know since Lee works for us now
>Gillam was told about the nowhere facility shortly before we blew it to bits
>Gillam was told about the top secret stealth ship Mirage before we referred to it by name in parliament for laughs
>They're already beginning to suspect our passive FTL communication
>We show up to Djin literally minutes after Gillam learns that there's some kind of fuckup happening there

Yeah, why would people advocate for a minimum effort track-covering that fits with our stated goals perfectly? I just can't figure it out you guys.
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>>1374674
in the nick of time.
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Rolled 46 (1d100)

>>1374667
>Do not send a fleet yet in order to avoid causing further widespread panic and civil discontent

FOR MOTHER
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>>1374667
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
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>>1374667
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
And a vote for this.
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>>1374667
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
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>>1374667
>>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
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>>1374667
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory
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Actually can we send a larger fleet to darwin to secure the skyl artifacts there

Since the Union has fleet presence there and are already try to run with the gizmos and take to the union core
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>>1374667
>Send in a small fleet to every expanse system and Djin and claim you are inspecting your new territory.

"We're friendly and just want to talk. The hive isn't horrible monsters, you know. Unless you piss us off."
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>>1374696
Good idea, focus attention elsewhere in a believable fashion.
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>>1374667
>claim you are inspecting your new territory
I think you mean our OLD, ANCIENT, PREHISTORIC territory and what the humans have done to the couches while we were gone!
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>>1374697
>The hive isn't horrible monsters, you know
"The thing you dug up is"
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>>1374696
Maybe a larger fleet to tannhauser too, so they can't see what system we're prioritizing.
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>>1374696
Sounds good.
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>>1374700
"Union better forget about getting security deposit back after mess Union made."
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>>1374706
I misread darwin for Djin.
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>>1374697
>>1374706

Good ideas. Although in that case a smaller fleet at Djin might be telling in and of itself given there's a massive hive complex there. It will make the Union wonder if either the other planets have something more important than a hive complex on them to warrant a fleet, if we don't know about the hive complex itself yet, or if we're trying to hide our interest in the system for some reason...

>>1374700
Kek
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>>1374713
It's to protect our spy.
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>>1374669
>>1374673
>>1374676
>33, 11, 88
nice dubs
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>>1374713
But the other expanse systems beside Darwin and Tannhauser will have the same number of ships as the others, they shouldn't be able to deduce Djin is our only target from this move.
Actually sending our fleets to observe so early is actually a good idea, if they managed to smuggle the cavebug out and into path who knows how many other things they are smuggling, with this move we at least can put a stop to all of that.
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>Formed fleets and orders
Citadel Hive Ship – [Awaiting orders]
Small Heavy Defense Fleet [Patrolling Leeland space]
25 Heavy Battle Fleet [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]
5 Missile Ambush Fleet [Awaiting orders]
30 Light Fleets [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]
20 Light Fleets [Awaiting orders]
10 Fast Assault Fleets [Awaiting orders]
10 Ambush Fleet
6 Carrier Battle groups

We need more ships.
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>>1374727
Build more light fleets then, like 3 for every heavy battle fleet, or maybe attack/support.
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>>1374727
Agreed
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I still think that sending a fleet to the other systems will reveal the extense of our fleet to the Union. But i was outvoted and now we will roll with it.
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>>1374727
How about
10 heavy battle fleets
5 missile ambush fleets (I don't think we've even used missiles in combat yet jeez)
20 light fleets
10 fast assault fleets
20 boarding task forces (gotta capture those scav ships yo. And probably a few Union, if they keep going like this)
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>>1374734
>I still think that sending a fleet to the other systems will reveal the extense of our fleet to the Union
We are already boasting that the fleet we have hanging over them is "just a small one".
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>>1374730
>>1374731

>10 Heavy Battle Fleet
And
>20 Light Fleets
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>>1374741
How about
25 heavy battle fleets
50 Light fleets
15 fast assault fleets
Instead to ease my numerical autism?
and Boarding ships too.
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>>1374742
That is my point. We don't have such a big fleet. Even more with part of it assisting the Commonwealth. If we start dropping ships in each system the Union might get on our bluff.
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>>1374749
I'd support.

Our light fleets have Corvettes right? (I know the original light fleet design didn't but I believed that changed).

>>1374751
We can claim that, having seen all the unrest the Union experienced at the hands of the our "scout fleet" we elected to send even smaller observation fleets to the planets we will be reclaiming in order to help calm their population.
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>>1374741
To build or to send?
If it's the former i agreed with it.
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>>1374749
The boarding ships are a part of the boarding task forces. Your autism is no good reason to not build as many ships in a balanced unit formation they were designed to work in.
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>>1374749
>numerical autism
Wait, is that you Jyoti?
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>>1374759
No
>>1374757
I'm saying i support your order for the 20 boarding task forces.
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>>1374754
That is actually pretty reasonable and very likely. Good thinking.
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Reposting my attack/support fleet design just caus e it's on topic

Attack corvette
Hull: Corvette 400N 800M
Capacity: 200/20
Size: 100 Meters
Module Limit: 2
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 100M
Turret (x2): Cyclotron Particle Beam 50M
Fixed (x2): Auto cannons 40M
Auxiliary (x8): Blasters 80M
Armor: Combat 150N 600M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 50N 150M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20M
Utility: Containment fields 20N 40M
Power: Fusion core 130N 650M
Module: Swarm Launcher 400N 200M

Total cost: 1165N 2730M

Attack frigate
Hull: Frigate 800N 1600M
Capacity: 150/15
Size: 150 Meters
Module Limit: 3
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 150M
Turret (x6): Cyclotron Particle Beam 150M
Fixed (x8): Blasters 160M
Auxiliary (x4): Blasters 40M
Armor: Combat 225N 900M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 75N 225M
Utility: Utility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20M
Utility: Containment fields 20N 40M
Power: Fusion Core 190N 950M
Module: Stinger Launcher 500N 300M
Module: Swarm hangar (Auto cannons) 600N 300M

Total cost: 2425N 4835M
Upkeep 1117N
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>>1374764
Oh, okay. You sure we have enough resources for that many ships though?

Actually I'll just go ahead and check to see how much each of these fleets cost, it's been a while since we've had to think about that sort of stuff.
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>>1374754
>Our light fleets have Corvettes right?
Yes.
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>>1374770
Attack support cruiser
Hull: Cruiser 1200N 2000M
Capacity: 300/30
Size: 200 Meters
Module Limit: 4
Spinal Mounts (x2): Linear Particle Beam 400M
Turret (x6): Autocannon 150M
Fixed (x10): Linear Particle Beam 200M
Armor: Combat 300N 1200M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 100N 300M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 30N 40M
Utility: Containment fields 40N 80M
Module: G-field sensors 150N 200M
Module: Cruise launcher 600N 400M
Module: Swarm Hangar 600N 300M
Module: Swarm Hangar 600N 300M

Total cost: 3620N 5570M
Upkeep: 1810N


Attack/Support Fleet
Ship: (10) Attack support cruiser 3,800N 6,470M (Total 38,000N 64,700M
Ship: (15) Attack frigate 2,425N 4,835M (Total 36,375N 72,525M)
Ship: (30) Attack corvette 1,165N 2,730M (Total 34,950N 81,900M)
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>>1374773
Ummm, the light fleet mentioned in your post does not include corvettes...

>"10 lightfleets are:
10x on (60 frigates, 15 cruisers)"
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>>1374771
>Oh, okay. You sure we have enough resources for that many ships though?
I dunno, i just made them because someone was asking for a cannon fodder fleet design and i forgot about the light fleets at the time, when i was done i remembered and thought maybe the attack/support fleets can be used to lead our heavy battle fleets.
I can change the designs if you want.
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>>1374779
I am wrong then. Light Fleets don't have corvettes.
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By the way does anyone know the count of our ships by Hull? i was thinking of trying to reach or surpass the number of ships the WQ had


1 Hive ship
35 Battleships
150 Battlecruisers
500 Cruisers
1000 Frigates
3000 corvettes
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>>1374667
You watch with some amusement as system wide combat alerts begin to bounce from world to world, station to station, ship to ship as the light of your ships brings the news of your arrival creeping across the star systems of the expanse. Fighters deploy in clouds of interceptor formations as picket fleets begin to prime their weapons for battle. A multi-spectrum radio transmission follows the light of your ships' blink maneuvers.

"We are the survey forces of the Hive. We are here to observe the condition of our rightful space. Please continue your human activity and ignore our observations."

The local forces remain on high alert, electing to ignore your request to ignore your ships, as the small groupings of patrol corvettes slowly drift into their respective systems.

Meanwhile, on the dark, frozen surface of Djin, a faint light streaks through the glowing sky, landing in a plume of snow in the vicinity of Camp Thule. Your clones emerge from the pod, eight in all, randomly selected for a general mix of combat purposes by your thinkers and equipped with suitable weapons for their skills, each encased in a reinforced winter coat covering all but a small patch of face where goggles and a rebreather bundled in synthetic wool protects them from the freezing temperatures. Their coats made of hive-woven fabrics, and their design simple enough in composition and design to pass for human made, the carapace armor hidden beneath enough layers of insulation to almost serve as armor itself.

The eight clones gather their weapons, and look down on the glow of Camp Thule as a number of floodlights illuminate a small, worn road of plowed snow and ice. Across that path is another, more distant light source of a towering mining rig, its own floodlights glowing in the drifting snow from several miles away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yAFfsOCL0c

>Have your squad move to Camp Thule and assess the situation covertly
>Have your squad move to the mining rig and find the expedition team
>Have your squad split up
>Other
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>>1374782
Just crunching the numbers on your proposed order >>1374749, and I'd say we got plenty. Your order comes to about 13,853,575N 26,325,300M once the 20 boarding task forces are included, so it's entirely within our resource capacity to build.
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>>1374798
>Have your squad move to the mining rig and find the expedition team
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>>1374798
>>Have your squad split up
Thanks to psionics, they'll be instantly aware of anything that goes wrong so traditional horror movie tropes need not apply so stringently to them.
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>>1374798
>>Have your squad move to the mining rig and find the expedition team

The Expedition team is what we're interested in the most.
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>>1374798
>Have your squad split up

Four toward Camp Thule and four more toward the mining rig.
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>>1374798
>Have your squad move to Camp Thule and assess the situation covertly
We probally need fire power later at rig, so lets take control of their communications first.
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>>1374800
What about with 15 of >>1374774
and top?
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>>1374798
>Have your squad split up

Almost all the danger is likely coming from the mines, but we need to confirm the base is "secure" have 2 clones check the base and send the rest into the mines with the 2 other clones serving as backup/support/securing the entrance.
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>>1374798
>Have your squad split up
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>>1374821
I'm tired and can't write clearly. I mean send 6 to the excavation and 2 to the camp, with the 2 in the camp later following and serving as backup, if that makes sense.
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>>1374798
>"We are the survey forces of the Hive. We are here to observe the condition of our rightful space. Please continue your human activity and ignore our observations."

cheecky.
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>>1374818
*On top.
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>>1374818
Yeah, these ships look good and well rounded, I'll support building this.
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>>1374818
Do it.
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>>1374798
>"We are the survey forces of the Hive. We are here to observe the condition of our rightful space. Please continue your human activity and ignore our observations."
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>>1374827
https://youtu.be/ds6-o4gomRc
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>>1374774
Why not? We need ships badly and these look pretty good. I'm not a big fan of the autocannon compared with our other options on the turrets, but the most important thing is that we start churning out ships and fast.

Vote Yes for building more fleets.
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>>1374840
>>1374818

Supporting
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>>1374749
For boarding ships, have 20 shieldbreaker fleets to ease boarding scavs potentially.
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>>1374850
We can afford the nutrient cost, but not the metal cost.

We can definitely do 5 fleets, though.
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>>1374853
No, wait, I fucked up the numbers. Lemme try that again.
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>>1374834
>>1374835
>>1374840
>>1374844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waRq6ZR7BNE
>>1374850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8XTpCwicwE
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>>1374798
One of the expedition team better be a monster in human skin we can capture and drag back to the Pod for dissection, or finding them was pointless.
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>>1374818
Okay then, a single attack/support fleet costs 109,325N 219,125M and 15 cost 1,639,875N 3,286,875M. So entirely reasonable given our current reserves, and thus I entirely support it.

Which would make a total order that looks like this:


25 heavy battle fleets
50 Light fleets
15 fast assault fleets
20 boarding task forces
15 attack/support fleets
Grand total: 15,493,450N 29,612,175M

I think I have the other kind of autism, that obsesses over numbers all the damn time.
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>>1374865
Alrighty. Sounds good to me. I wholeheartedly support this order!

We kindly thank you for your autism
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>>1374798

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRKZYLw-SQw

Your squad quickly splits up as the pod lifts off and takes to the sky to find a place to hide among the ice fields and snow banks. Four of your agents begin making their way to the faint glow of Camp Thule, while the other four begin the hard trek over the harsh ice mountains between which the mining rig can be seen.

The hike is hard, and the cold is biting. A lesser life form would likely quickly succumb, but your clones are far more hardy than any mere human and they make a quick pace over the jagged mountains. As they emerge from the tight valley of ice to look over the open fields, you can see the mining rig mounted over a tremendous hole in the ice, its depth not visible from your position. The rig glows with floodlights mounted on all sides, but you don't see any activity, although the machinery hums softly in the whipping wind. Mountains surround the flat plain on which the rig sits on all sides, each one holding a face that is surprisingly flat and devoid of any of the typical features of a natural landscape. They stand in the ice and snow like rows of jagged teeth, their foundations marked with cracks and fissures sprouting from holes leading within their depths. Small camps and more floodlights are set up before them, with various temporary structures scattered about the perimeter of the mining rig's struts.

Your hybrids find the hike to the camp far easier, the walk mostly downhill and with no major obstacles. The camp itself is surprisingly compact, with a number of buildings spread out across the facility serving as airlocks to protect against the harsh temperatures and the unhealthy mixture of local gasses that prevent any long term exposure. The rest of the camp is a single compound, almost entirely connected, with a good portion beneath the snowbanks either by design, or from past blizzards burying the structures. Floodlights mark the entrances as well as illuminating the makeshift road leading into the large garage where several massive treaded trucks sit beneath a tied down tarp. An atmospheric transport sits on a landing pad near the edge of the camp, covered in bundled protective coverings, while a building near the outer edge of the camp drifts with scattered debris as shredded roofing drifts in the wind where it seems a snowbank has collapsed the roof in, blowing out the walls to a small building. It seems to have been cut off from the rest of the camp, its power either cut off or failed. Your clones quickly move in, wading through the waist high snow to the shredded walls.

And it is six in the morning, so I think I'll need to call it here. I'll try to stick around for any discussion for as long as I can.
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>>1374872
Thanks a ton for running QD! It was great as always
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>>1374872
Here is the reminder >>1372059
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>>1374872
Thanks for running.
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>>1374872
So think we could start building this order right here>>1374865? I think we actually managed to come to a consensus on something for once.
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>>1374872
Can we do crunch for once. It seems like we never actually did any crunch in the dedicated crunch thread we had.

Like queueing up

25 heavy battle fleets
50 Light fleets
15 fast assault fleets
20 shieldbreakerfleets
20 boarding task forces
15 attack/support fleets
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>>1374872
Thanks for running man
Its been AWESOME
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>>1374872
So what are the odds that we could encounter a sapient Flora or Fungus species in this wide galaxy.

I just saw a Space Dandy episode recently with that premise and it got me curious.
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>>1374879
>>1374878
I agree, we should also order those FTL prediction buildings for each colony/system.
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>>1374872

I would appreciate this as well
>>1374879
>>1374878
>>1374886
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>>1374872
>>1374879

Could we start building this fleet please QD?

Thanks so much for running!
Any chance for a mid-week thread, or is this all until next week?
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>>1374879
Those shieldbreakers look like they would mesh well with the boarding task forces. Though could we rename them shieldbreaker task forces? They've got even fewer ships than the boarding task force lol.
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>>1374896
Shieldbreakers are best against Scavs and possibly Union ships. They will be less effective against OQ ships unless, Mother forbid, the OQ develops shields.

I think they're good as a small task-force for our enemies with shields and don't need to be renamed.
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>>1374872
Tokyo Hive when.

Is it waiting on the espionage crunch system.
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>>1374875
Right. So what fleets exactly are the issue with that?

>>1374879
>Add new ship construction order:
25 heavy battle fleets
50 Light fleets
15 fast assault fleets
20 shieldbreakerfleets
20 boarding task forces
15 attack/support fleets

>Y
>N
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>>1374903
Y
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>>1374903
>>Y
Wooo more dakka!
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>>1374903
The ambush fleets, they're supposed to be missile ambush not regular.
>Y
And FTL prediction buildings.
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>>1374903
Y
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>>1374909
Because there is no 'regular' ambush fleets design?
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>>1374903
Y

Moar ships
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>>1374903
>Y
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>>1374911
The why are they separate from the 5 Missile ambush Fleets?
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>>1374903
Y

Also QD, did we check out the coordinates thingy that was laid out back on >>1372854
>At the end of the tablet is a series of instructions on accessing the ship's systems, as well as a series of coordinates that seem to be nearby, just on the far side of the neighboring nebula.

Does it correspond to a system we know?
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>>1374903
Y
MORE DAKKA
NEVER ENOUGH DAKKA

Oh, do we still have a hive ships being produced?
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>>1374915
Because QD added things without seeing if the name corresponds to anything statted?

This all started with the shorthand used at http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/48676134/#p48680758
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>>1374903
>Y

>>1374926
It's actually quite confusing while I've been trying to figure that all out, since the discussion page where you have most of the planned ship and fleet designs set up prior to discussion in the thread uses a mixture of jargon to reference ships and fleets, in some cases with them being contradictory. I've tried to err on the side of caution, but it has caused some major issues while organizing things after my near-death experience was dealt with.

>>1374918
It does not, but it seems to be near the tip of the Claw near the far edge of the cluster of protostars.
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>>1374903
>Y
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>>1374929
>It does not, but it seems to be near the tip of the Claw near the far edge of the cluster of protostars.
Hmmn, assuming no picket forces from the Obsidian Queen, it should be a quick enough jaunt to take a look at
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>>1374929
>It does not, but it seems to be near the tip of the Claw near the far edge of the cluster of protostars.

Very interesting...

Thanks so much for the Quest again. It's awesome. No worries at all about the Jargon. It's hard figuring it out and it's enough that you're just running. Thanks for keeping it as clear as it is.

You may want to consider updating the pastbin eventually, though, since generally considered a more reliable source than the discussion page on the wiki.
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>>1374935
Maybe the coordinates were referring to graythrone? With a name like that I'll bet it's been inhabited for a very, very long time, probably by the Barren Queen's mom by the sound of it.
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>>1374935
There's a hexagon of blue stars, that seems suspicious.
OH SHIT IT"S THE JEW HOMEWORLD!
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>>1374935
The odds of no forces being there are vanishingly slim.

And unless it's right next to one of those protostars, blinking in will be very visible.
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>>1374936
That was the plan before I ran into the initial issue of conflicting fleet and ship names, and I really want to avoid overwriting any plans or fleet purchases made that may have been obscured by subsequent edits of the talk page.

At any rate, I'm off to a doctor's appointment so my surgeon can get an x-ray of that plate he bolted to my sternum to make sure it's screwed on straight, so I'll try to keep up with the thread on my phone to keep track of any further debate or discussion.
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>>1374951
How about you post the current canon ship and fleet designs and we get t decide if we like them as is? That might help clear things up.
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>>1374903
>Y

definetly
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>>1374951
Hope you feel better QD.
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>>1374872
Good thread QD.
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