Mars flashes with light across its night side as the faint flashes of kinetic strikes scour its surface, the blinding lines of light from anti-orbital weapons fade gradually as they reach the vacuum of space and then flash against the hulls of orbiting ships. Fighters swarm over the orbital space as atomic weapons burst in the darkness with a pulsing glow like a field of fireflies, and the corpses of starships leave streaks of fire as they fall to the rust red surface of Mars bellow.Beyond the outer system, flashes of warp emergence glimmer among the stars, only perceptible with your own pod's powerful sensors. A Union battle group is already accelerating into the system, the light reaching your pod already eight hours old as you watch the Union star carrier rally its fleet, several battleships among them with wings of grav fighters streaking ahead of them. The first volley from their advance is launched as they begin the fighters begin their deceleration, and your sensors turn to static as the formation begins to ignite into fire as their kinetic slugs pass through a field of kinetic mines fired like a shotgun shell from the Commonwealth fleet, the grazing of matter connecting head-on at relativistic velocity unleashing a momentary burst of hard radiation like a dying star, leaving nothing larger than an atom behind. Three more spheres of fire emerge, and both fleets begin to launch missiles as the commonwealth fleet falls back to the sunny side of Mars. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>1329637hell yeah! Time for Mother!
>>1329637Guess Union and Commonwealth forces on Mars are finally engaging each other.
>>1329637GAS THE SQUIDSNUKE THE WHALESSTAB THE MONKEYSTRUST NOTHINGTHE VOID IS WATCHING
Welcome backDaily reminder.>Raid OQ>Read the locked memories of that thinker.>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.>Send a diplomacy team to earth.>Build that new FTL prediction building.>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)Also i think our agent might be compromised now that we hinted that we knew about the mirage assassination.
>>1329668You know I thought of a way we could really screw with the humans on Gemini.We clone human blood(Killinger's if we can get it) and write that litany in the blood in as many places as possible.Should up the level of paranoia and panic by an order of magnitude.
>>1329675>Also i think our agent might be compromised now that we hinted that we knew about the mirage assassination.No he isn't you retard.
>>1329686I would rather assimilate the Union humans slowly. We have that nightclub at Bedrock we can even copy the terrorist on Path and make it as a way to attract people from Bedrock to be assimilated, we do the same from the humans in Geminni and from there we start to slowly infiltrate the other polanets and adopt EVERYONE!
>>1329675>Also i think our agent might be compromised now that we hinted that we knew about the mirage assassination.Michael had nothing to do with the Mirage. If i ain't wrong that was Seiner's work. Michael took care of the project were Lee was imprisioned.
>>1329697We hinted that we knew about the attempted assassination, that means the information was leaked and he'll realize we have spies somewhere, our agent will be a suspect especially since he was kidnapped by Lyle.
>>1329706>If i ain't wrong that was Seiner's workNope it was the Nowhere scientist's work.
>>1329706Seiner told Michael about the mirage i think, or at least he implied alder's assassination by saying "she won't be a problem" or something like that if i recall correctly.
>>1329686I don't think it falls into a clear narrative of who might be writing it, much less one that would play into an existing fear. It's a xenophobic internal memo, essentially. Why would we write it in a human language on human worlds?If it's supposed to be humans saying it to other humans, why would they include "stab the monkeys"?Also "the void" isn't a big fear of theirs, so writing about it isn't likely to inspire much more than curiosity. And we don't want the humans to be curious about what "the void" means.
>>1329707>our agent will be a suspect especially since he was kidnapped by Lyle.He'll pretty low on the list and entire list will get dropped if we mention we have clairvoyance.
>>1329707>kidnapped by Lyle.His mission was to catch Lyle, but Lyle was obvously waiting for then. This might make him thing:1- Michael is somewhat compromised2- The hive has a way to spy on his communicationBut Michael was captured by the Vzlen and we are trying to make it look like it was Deckers internet friends that are comming for the rescue.
>>1329717>Seiner told Michael about the mirage i think, or at least he implied alder's assassination by saying "she won't be a problem" or something like that if i recall correctly.This whole sentence is retarded.
>>1329722I thought the monkeys was supposed to be the Taidarens?Honestly it's just too good to not insert into the story at some point.
>>1329713Well he's dead now and we do have some flies on that goverment building were Gilliam lived/lives. We can infect some of the residents and infiltrate even more deep within the Union.But they might start to run some scans on key personnel.
>>1329738>Well he's dead nowAre you really assuming that when the void is involved?
>>1329738I had an idea. We can try to upgrade the spine pals so that they can shrivel in size an stop production of almost all chemicals. They will still make enough to stop any of them from blabbing about anything we dont want them to.
>>1329732The Taidarens are cute and funny. Don't mix then with the human garbage that is the Union.
>>1329675No, our dude wasn't involved directly other than an off the cuff remark, so he is safe and if they do suspect him then they need to get him back from the whales
>>1329637>their kinetic slugs pass through a field of kinetic mines fired like a shotgun shell from the Commonwealth fleet,Are kinetic mines just using explosive ammo autocannons to fill the space with shards, or is it some space mines tech we haven't invented yet that we should buy from the Deep Song market to study.
>>1329741When a base blows up to the point of leaving just a crater on it's place? Yes.>>1329745We can mutate drones if i ain't mistaken maybe we can make our symbiots/spine pals be able to shrik? Does Psionic Cloaking affect machines? Can we use it on our symbiots? Or give it to then?
>>1329725I was talking about the first time Lyle kidnapped Michael, back when we destroyed that psionic research base.>>1329731Thread 45.5He looks to Michael briefly. "Oh don't mind the conference call, you're cleared for these things anyhow. Tell me, who's giving the biggest opposition to the new bill?" As he asks the question a sly smile creeps across his face. Michael knows the answer, but it's so obvious he hesitates for a moment."The Greens, sir. But sir Richards is a Green, isn't that-""And who is the current leader of the Greens, and the only person on the Security Council with the funding, public backing, and popular support to actually throw enough weight around to fight off Tory proposals?""I'm, not sure I understand, sir." Michael says. Killinger nods his head."That's fine. Just get your files on my desk by tomorrow." He turns from the unseen screen to another unseen projector, as if something had just appeared. "Ah, Commander Grey, you're right on time. What's the status of the Mirage?" He seems to listen for a response, but the echo cancellation removes it. "Good." He says finally. "That's more than thirty years of research and engineering you have there. Don't fuck this up.""Inspiring." Anderson says over the call."It better be, after the recent setbacks we may only have one shot at this." DuPont says. Killinger ignores them for a moment, as if listening to some long stream of data, then he types something into his data pad and looks to his desk, where the council members are projected. They each nod in silence, and Killinger quickly turns back to the unseen figure."You have a green light for the operation. Maintain video feed, but otherwise maintain comm silence." He turns away, having dismissed whoever was there, and he turns back to Michael as the council members hang up one by one.This definitely puts Michael as a suspect.
>>1329745I figure anything that can pick up a tumor will pick up one of our parasites, no matter how small we make it.If bioscans start happening we might need to switch to using clones and go full body-snatchers. They'd need to be implanted with the memories of the original, but would have their minds tweaked/constructed to be sleeper agents. They won't be telepathically connected to us but they could still be useful.Wait, how are our human agents with Kent able to stay in touch with us? AFAIK they're not in direct contact, and we're only giving input into what they do because QD says we can.
>>1329769Advanced relay gives planet wide coverage.
>>1329766Again off the cuff and not a lot of details to pin our man, and given we already had intel before our attack on Lee lab it doesn't point to a specific spyPlus they know about our deal with the unity so they will first focus on the idea that we got intel off the unity
>>1329766Now i understand this plus the fact that the operation fucked up might make hima suspect. But the rogue we recruited was the one that tip the Valen's hands if anything we can put all the blame on him.
>>1329769We have a relay in the system/above the planet.>>1329766Michael's a suspect, but >30 years of development means there could have been any number of leaks from any sources. We actually detected the ship before we knew what it was, and our assumption at first is that it was a ceph ship. We actually don't have a lot of information on it, just a name.
>>1329776But what in the agents' biology lets them have a psionic link, if anything? Baseline humans are totally psi-blind.
>>1329800>humans>implying hybrids are humanHave you read this quest at all.
>>1329800We can turn then into Hybrids. Once a human gets a symbiot we can mutate then into Hybrid's. Hybrids are psionic linked.But to mutate one from human to hybrid required one day in a cacoo state.
>>1329637Yogesh examines the holoscreen in the center of the flag bridge with thought as the stars swirl around the room from the projection walls like a celestial orey. The system of Kalidesh beyond is large and lush with terraformed worlds, while its star is a faint red speck, barely noticeable from the outer system, the red dwarf being hardly larger than a gas giant and offering little light for the seven worlds around it."The first is the frozen rock of Kailash, its atmosphere cold and thin and its surface covered in ice and malformed with massive jagged peaks and tremendous valleys. The glow of civilization is soft and sparse, with most of the cities huddled around the mountains of the tidally locked day side where what little light there is offers some measure of warmth, but also a dangerous amount of x-rays from the local star, which emits mostly non-visible radiation. The night side is marked with the rare military base, research post, and observatory where distance from civilians and the endless night provide an enhancement to their function. In the band of endless twilight you can see even from the zoomed in orbital view, a vast band of wind farms covering the planet's surface like a waistband just beneath the endless stream of wispy clouds flying back and forth in the heat exchange. The thin air would not provide much power in itself, but with a constant, never ceasing wind it would at least be reliable.The fleet lurches with the deployment of long range munitions as the Commonwealth forces close in on the scavenger fleet in orbit, and deploys landing craft and atmospheric corvettes for low orbit engagement to support the ground offensive. Fighters launch and begin zipping between the ships to maintain a perimeter around the armada as fleet formations over the other worlds begin to move to intercept.cont.
>>1329786*KillingerI'm getting all these names confused.
>>1329802Easy anon ther eis a lot i don't remember about the quest and besides. He might be new to it.
>>1329763>When a base blows up to the point of leaving just a crater on it's place? Yes.It actually it didn't. "Them" only ripped a hole through the roof.>>1329766>This definitely puts Michael as a suspect.A very low one and it gets even lower when he finds out we blew up the ship.
>>1329800Not so much psi-blind as psi-incompatible. If some being tries to make them psionic, then their brain will steadily fail until it results in a painful death.
>>1329809>>1329802In that case, can a bioscan pick up that they're hybrids? This might not be a solution to the problem of parasites getting detected, after all.
>>1329810IS time to fuck up the Scavs boys!!!
>>1329826>can a bioscan pick up that they're hybridsI don't know. The humans studying the Thing seemed capable of figuring out the triple Helix that is a genetic characteristic of the hive. If the humans manage to study it it might improve their detection metod since they don't have yet a sample of hive genetic.
>>1329830My favorite time of the day.>>1329675I forgot>Upgrade speakers with medium relays.Since we're getting all these Psionic powers i think it would be good for our speakers to show of our superiority occasionally.
>>1329840>they don't have yet a sample of hive geneticYou fucking retard they were comparing the BQ drone genetics to that Thing's a couple of threads ago.
>>1329852Geez so rude. What's wrong anon had a bad day?
>>1329852Um i thought they only had the things genetic strand because it was the first corpse they took a sample of? When did they get OQs?
>>1329865Worker, part of a thinker and random ship organs
>>1329867From the battle over path The already scanned the worker but the thing ate it so no other experiments i guess
>>1329810>The night side is marked with the rare military base, research post, and observatory where distance from civilians and the endless night provide an enhancement to their function."Reminds me of nowhere. Ah, the memories.">>1329867>>1329874That is what corpses they have, i don't recall them taking samples from them yet since the other scientist rushed for the cavebug.What did the scanning do?
>>1329865GO AND REREAD THOSE THREADS ANON. IT WILL SO PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT YOU WILL FEEL STUPID FOR ASKING IT.>>1329861I'm on an imageboard. When someone else says something I think is stupid I call them a retard.
>>1329810"My men report your forces have made landfall." Yogesh says. "I thank you for the assistance. I doubt we would be able to fend off both attacks at once without sustaining devastating losses.""Yes." Your speaker chirps as the ship rumbles with launching munitions and fighter craft."Magnus is leading the attack on the Union, I'm not sure what his fleet time is, or if he is available, but I would recommend you speak with him. We have access to the full Q-comm network, and there are many things I believe he needs to hear from you." He says, his eyes still locked on the colored dots of the central holo display as streams of missiles fly past each other and blips of enemies and allies flicker and wink out, or leap from one place to another as the sensors strain to maintain a vigil through the growing fog of atomic radiation and thick X-rays of the star.>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemies>Send Magnus a message about something else (write in)>Other
>>1329883They have technicians man, taking samples is automatic in a research lab >>1329888>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemiesCant keep delaying this
>>1329885You should probably see a doctor with all that unneeded stress you subject yourself to anon
>>1329888>>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemies
>>1329888I forget who Magnus is, or what enemies we might speak to him about, but this sounds like plot, so...>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemies
>>1329883>i don't recall them taking samples from them yet since the other scientist rushed for the cavebugThey were comparing the dna before the whole cell dividing thing happened.
>>1329888>>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemiesAsk Yogesh about appropriate swear words for talking about the Obsidian Queen.
>>1329888>I'm not sure what his fleet time is, or if he is available"Union reinforcements have arrived in combat over Mars.">Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemiesIt must be a secure line. Nobody eavesdrops. Do not record the conversation. Mere awareness of a thing can be dangerous.
>>1329888>OtherAlthough the hive does need to inform Magnus about this now it's not the time. Magnus needs to focus on his attack against the Union and we need to handle the scavs. Besides talking about..."Them" will be safer if it's in person. Such knowledge can be damage.
>>1329885Found it, it was when Gilliam was introduced which surprises me since i though they didn't begin until he got there.
>>1329909>safer if it's in personQComm is point-to-point, so if they have a direct line, it's probably the one thing that's difficult to spy on.
>>1329906He wants us to talk about the whole Void Gods thing to Magnus.
Q-comss are hackable i don't trust broadcasting nothing from it. Specially if they are engaging the Union, who might eavesdrop on our communication.
>>1329908Dont tell them that, only raises more question about how we are spying in sol system
>>1329916To convince him that there's bigger fish than the Union to fry? The Commonwealth is already taking a pretty hard beating from the Scavs. You'd think that would have already convinced him.
>>1329888>>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemiesIt is time for this. We have so much to discuss.
>>1329888>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemies
>>1329888>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemiesI think we should assume direct control over the speaker just to get the point across of how important this stuff is. We can then go back to being backseat-speaker and if they ask why we were speaking differently before just play dumb...with maybe some subtle cheek.
>>1329909This is an awkward time yeah. Telling him about the 70 thousand year feud in the middle of their hundred year feud...
>>1329909Fair enough, I'll switch to that.
>>1329947Actually it's a million year old war but otherwise yeah.
>>1329930It has nothing to do with convincing, they just want an explanation why the hive got pissed enough at the Union to send a small scouting fleet to Gemini.They'd be the opposite of helpful in fighting the nonhuman wars anyway. They're nothing but walking research subjects waiting to fall into Obisidian claws.Direct human military aid is the last thing we want.
>>1329946I think we should develop a second breed of speaker, thats a bit more intimidating and no nonsense, like an old grizzly admiral type fellow, and have them go speaking in pairs with the old speaker design, for a good cop bad cop sort of routine. It would also allow us to convey more serious matters that's currently a little... Awkward to deal with with with our current speaker.
>>1329888>>Send Magnus a message about something else (write in)We have the Carrier battle groups, best help him move his troops around.
Can someone tell me what the hell those ambush fleets in thread 62 are?
>>1329888>>Speak with Magnus about the Hive's enemiesCan we just deploy a second ambassador drone to his fleet so we can talk to him and the Wise whenever we need to?
>>1329971I personally prefer our current speaker. It can be obtuse at times for when it dosent want to talk or it wants to be evasive, however it can be direct when we want it to be. WHat I meant with my original post was instead of stearing what the speaker is saying, we directly control it. Our manner of speaking would be more human because we have a direct link to our thinkers, it would likely use a wider range of tone and wordplay.
>>1329976Read the wiki
>>1329769>I figure anything that can pick up a tumor will pick up one of our parasites, no matter how small we make it.I doubt our parasites are as dense as a tumour. IIRC QD said they can easily be mistaken for a kidney or whatever they replace. So they would probably unly get spotted if the docs knew what they were looking for.
>>1329973>having human troops get into shenanigans aboard our shipsYES PLEASE
>>1329976Doesn't matter much, when was the last time we got to vote about creating new fleets?
>>1329971Our speaker can already fulfill that role when it goes queen mode.Actually i think it's better since they don't expect the speakers to do such a thing.
>>1329976They're stealthed ships with a shitton of missiles. It's a good enough, if exceedingly expensive, concept.Overwhelming alpha strike.
>>1329973No, we said we would not interfere in intra human squabbles And moving commomwealth troops in union space is a no go, hell may not be able to do that in cw space given the union spooks
>>1329996>aboardOpening a Rip Drive wormhole doesn't involve sticking the humans in our giant spleens.Which is what establishing a transport hub at Mufrid for that kind of rapid transport would be useful for.
>>1329992Did that already their design isn't there.
>>1330005It's not the missile ambush fleets I'm talking about.
>>1330007You do realize that we explicitly built the ships to move their STL ships right?
>>1329991I actually greatly appreciate our current speaker. My point was I think it would be nice to have a secondary speaker accompanying it, with a contrasting personality, to allow for more depth in our interactions. I mainly want one for a roleplay perspective, so to speak, and would fill the role you're describing.
>>1330020Did we officially commit to building anything.We definitely didn't commit to actually going through with this hypothetical plan, which might earn us loadsa Canderon as our price.
>>1330007Yeah we don't want to look like hypocrites.
>>1330020And we just said we wouldn't aid the CW invading union spaceAgain it sucks we built them cant use them now, but hey it happens unless you want it to be plastered all over union media that we are aiding the CW
>>1330030We don't even hypothetical ships listed.
>>1329888Yogesh taps several keys on his terminal and you see a number of projected orbital paths form for the fleet and a timer estimating time to the ship's engagement, then he flips several switches and a new screen appears in front of him."Direct link to the Columbia is open. You can speak with him regarding anything you wish from your guest quarters if you wish to convey anything you would prefer to not leave the room." Yogesh says, "but we would all appreciate some level of understanding regarding your motives of interaction with humanity."Your guest room is rather extravagant. A far cry from the transport harness and nutrient tube your drones are typically stored in for starship travel. Amenities which your drones have no biological need for fill a tremendous amount of space in a decadent and inefficient manner. There is a bed, cocoon-like with its low-g straps, with an entire bathroom adjacent, with a small door sealed tightly and rendered opaque. A desk is connected to the wall on the other side, with a set of holoprojectors embedded within and a computer terminal set along the wall that flashes with the controls for a connected Q-comm link.>Request to speak with Magnus>Leave him a message for later>Other
>>1330020We didn't build anything anon, and that plan still has a lot of holes we need to address before we think about putting it into action. The Commonwealth is a rather xenophobic and isolationist state as far as they go, and we still need to grease them up before they would allow our ships free movement within their borders.
>>1330038They can't complain if we use them just for the scav frontline.
>>1330044This is far too sensitive to leave a message.
>>1330038Well to be honest, its going to be spun that we are helping the CW invade regardless by some parties in the union >>1330044>Request to speak with Magnus
>>1330044>>Request to speak with Magnus
>>1330044>Request to speak with Magnus
>>1330044>Request to speak with MagnusI mean, unless he's getting shot at.Magnus actually didn't want to go to war with the Union, so maybe he'll have some ideas of how this war can be ended sooner rather than later.
>>1330021The general impression im getting from your suggestion is,if you will pardon the use of analogy, a being with two face,one a tragedy mask and the other a comedy mask. Each one speaks using a different facet of the whole. While I do belive it is a very interesting idea, it may give some wrong, and not too advantages, impressions about the hive or worse get some of us too bogged down in the speakers playing their roles that it takes far longer for us to come to a consensus.
>>1330044>>Request to speak with Magnus>OtherRequest permission from him to deploy a second ambassador drone to his fleet, so we can talk to him directly when we need to. We're a hivemind, there's no need for us to have to choose which fleet we attach our diplomats to.
>>1330050Yeah they will, since they can scream we are freeing up CW resources allowing them to send more at the union That is true and they can use that against in union mass media given the declassified that image of us at odin station
>>1330044>OtherRequest a to arrange an urgent meeting with him, alone because only he needs to or should know.
>>1330049>>1330030We absolutely did build them. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1284708/#p1284725
>>1330044>There is a bed, cocoon-like with its low-g strapsDam Commonweatlh sure is trying to imporess us.>Request to speak with Magnus>OtherGo to your Quest room.The less people know about the void is better. But we can all just say that we are enemies of the servant races and that they work for 'something'.
SHIT. It's been so long since you've ran I keep forgetting you're back dammit.
>>1330044>Request to speak with Magnus>>1330065I'd be a bit concerned about the Union seeing this. If they see one of our ships approaching a Commonwealth fleet actively attacking the Union that could be bad...
>>1330071There it fucking is, what are those ambush fleets? They're not missile ambush or else they wouldn't be listed separately.
>>1330065No anon a speaker in a fleet invading the Union can be easily used by the Union fuckers as the Hive advising or meddling in the war. I don't give a fuck for what Union think but we should avoid give then ammunition to refuse our claims to the expanse.
>>1330071WTF? How many people actually voted for that? Most of them were against it.
>>1330071>>1330094And for that matter, how did we squeeze out 6 entire fleets in less than one thread? Is QD switching up how crunch is calculated here?
>>1330106They've been requested since the first hiatus.
>>1330094>>1330106It's been confirmed to be on the construction list half a dozen times. OP just kept dropping it from the que a bunch of times.
>>1330106>>1330129Specifically I believe he first confirmed that they were being build on a tweet on August 8th, 2016. You are way, way too late to protest building them.
>>1330121Never mind that was a vote for adding battlecariers to the light fleets.
>>1330044You establish the connection and wait. While the connection itself is technically as instantaneous as your own hive network, the various extreme speeds and resulting time dilation effects hamper the overall experience of non-thought communication. Several minutes pass before a response arrives, and the Marshal of the Commonwealth Fleet appears on the screen."I was informed of the basics by Admiral Yogesh." He says. "I am currently engaging Martian ground forces, but things are calming down while the local PDF is hunkering down and waiting for the Union fleet to engage so we have the time to talk. I understand you have some information regarding the reasoning behind your aggression against the Union?" He asks. Your speaker chirps.>Write in
>>1330158Nowhere and whats on the Mirage And give him details on what to expect from the speech that the union going to releaseAka our meeting at odin and dealing with unity and kicking them out of the expanse
>>1330158"How familiar are you with the weapon that malfunctioned and destroyed Earth's moon? The one that the elder Doctor Seiner had a large hand in building."
>>1330158"Long story short, there is an enemy that can only know of you if you know of it, see you if you see it. It has nearly wiped out the Hives, twice, And did succeed in destroying all biological members of the Skyle."Also give him some wonderful video of a certain conference between union high command.
>>1330158Yes. The Union in their greed and pride saw to mess with something dangerous. Something that corrupts and slave all the things that lived. The hive is enemie of such entity and it's minions. At first we hope to avoid contact so the humans wouldn't be caught on the middle of it...but the humans from the Union made humanity and the hive to be seen by then...
>>1330168Oh and we also told the union about the scavs,yeah we have to tell the Magnus what went down in that meeting since it ended up involving him We also need to tell the unity what happened in that meeting since it also effects him
>>1330182And Heretic he might help us with some of the Skyl stuff and also might want to reclaim some resources.
>>1330152Anon I'm looking at his twitter feed and there is nothing about carrier battle groups or nexus ships. Traditionally when we opted to build a fleet or ships he would post the design and get a confirmation vote before going ahead, then spend three days to build it, but I really can't recall that happening here. I don't have anything against the fleet but I'd like to know if we're changing up how we build ships, and your shitposting doesn't offer any answers to that.
>>1330158"While I'd rather not explain in detail, for the information is dangerous by itself, i owe you an explanation for the sudden move. my actions were provoked after the unions latest experiment in forbidden science, the resulting catastrophe forced our intervention.""I expect you have sufficient spies in the union so if you do find out whats much ado about nowhere please quarantine the people who have found and handed you the information for safety."
>>1330158Just make damn sure that we emphasize how serious containing this information is.
>>1330168We aren't telling anybody about Nowhere. We can say that SOMETHING happened but not where. We don't want information looked into or spreading.>>1330172Should we really reveal our connection to that superweapon either?>>1330158They tampered with artifacts beyond their comprehension, which do not register as any ordinary matter, or of any substance at all, with no mass and no reflection.
>>1330197Ah, i found out what those ambush fleets are, apparently i forgo the "missile" part to shorten the name and QD mistook that as me requesting a completely different kind of ambush fleet.My fault entirely.
>>1330212>Should we really reveal our connection to that superweapon either?Why not? We need that thing. The ammunition is too precious to use for anything except the real enemy, the ones that the Union decided to summon, which required our intervention so that life can continue in this sector.
>>1330158Mostly this >>1330191But maybe instead of "forbidden science" just say alien tech and that their blunderings put all life in the local sector at risk.
>>1330172Yumies lust for this weapon. Let's not get their curiosity up.
>>1330223Actually i recall we told them the crystals were forbidden science before which is why i added that in.
>>1330221None of that requires revealing our connection to it especially knowing the name of Grandpa Seiner in charge.The mysterious and possibly paranoid Commandant Zadornov who we officially do not know about yet, and only overheard conversations with in secret, might be a wee bit cagey about handing over data on the Ultimate Weapon to aliens they met last week, because it's "for a good cause/your own good."
>>1330226Yes, and we should tell them exactly why it's such a bad idea to mess with it.Do it wrong and you:1) destroy a planet (or a moon)2) summon an elder creature from beyond3) become their new slave raceor any combination of the above.The Union did (2), the Commonwealth did (1), and we're all here trying to prevent (3).
>>1330217Its fine. I was just a bit testy because its not exactly the first time that someone's tried to cancel these after the fact. And after the second or third time you just want to tell them to shut the hell up rather than go through the whole thing again.
>>1330245Well in retrospect, the Black Queen is guilty of (3) so I guess we're just trying to unfuck everything.
>>1330252She's little more than Satan in the Void religion.
>>1330245Or 4) We drop a bioweapon on you. Because don't touch the thing!
>>1330252Should we tell Magnus about auntie?
>>1330245They've already abandoned it. All we have to say is that the void shards are insanely dangerous to tamper with, even to attempt to destroy them is pure insanity. They must be kept 200 meters from any form of carbon based life at all times, too.If, if they ever dig up the 100 year old blueprints that might have been forgotten by all but Zadornov by now, they will easily recognize the ammunition as the shit you must not use in any way, even to destroy it.
>>1330266I vote we give him a map. Seriously, just give him a map.
>>1330266I think we already mentioned her a little so it would be good to elaborate especially now that she's attacking the union.
>>1330266Probably that just that there is another hive that is utterly genocidal and that we are the only faction between them and the divided humans.
>>1330275I'd prefer being able to keep the scope of our own territory mysterious and out there with no known borders.It'll make it harder to estimate how vast or not our resources are.
>>1330275And put a warning on it. EXTREME DANGEROUS DON"T GO THERE!
>>1330275Not a bad idea.>>1330266Also a good idea.>>1330272That's why I suggested asking Magnus if he's at all familiar with the weapon, and if he isn't, who would be, because we need to sit down and talk to someone who knows some shit to explain to them how they've messed up.
>>1330263You sure that wasn't the Ceph being indoctrinated against Hive life back when the war was on, before the OQ's betrayal?Come to think of it, were the Ceph part of that war back then or not?
>>1330289It would avoid any commonwealth trying to scan and allowing auntie to take and reverse engineer their tech.
>>1330290I remember when I said I wanted to do something like that to Theseus, to warn him to stay out of Hive Space.People said not to, no way. No consequences could follow from that.
>>1330245I really support telling them something to that effect.>>1330158"The Union's blundering with ancient artifacts caused a rift that unleashed an ancient enemy of the hive.Thus far the hive has observed three paths leading forth from toying with these artifacts.1) A planet is destroyed2) IT which we will not let be is summoned3) IT enslaves the raceThe Union's foolishness took path #2, and this Hive was inadvertently noticed by IT as a result. We deemed it necessary to intervene as deterrent against further pursuit of that path, as the third option is the inevitable conclusion.The Hive cannot provide more details, as they would only serve to endanger yourselves, and ourselves also."
>>1330296I'm pretty sure it's just Ceph indoctrination that the Hive is evil, I don't really understand where >>1330263 is coming from. It never seemed like it was the Black Queen being portrayed as the enemy, just Hive life, before Black Queen was corrupted.
>>1330279But that's a lie. Theseus is helping, and we should tell him so. He seems like a practical enough man to at least check it out if we tell him that there's another non insane faction that has every reason to hate the humans he's currently at war with.
>>1330291That doesn't help anything. If the humans have forgotten about it and it's collecting dust in an ancient database you don't REMIND them of it.It's just going to give them ideas.Telling them to not attempt to destroy void shards, don't use void shards, don't go near void shards, don't do anything but contain void shards is enough to drive them off ever using the Psionic Cannon. If they know about the cannon, they'll put 2+2=4. If they don't, there was no need for the warning at all.
>>1330275If we gave them a map it would likely fall into Union hands and from the systems we didn't say were ours they could guess where Theseus is hanging out. Then send him hand grenades in the mail or something.
>>1330301This is another reason to give that map to him.>>1330289Imagine if us with so little planets manage to do a fleetas big as ours what would they think is the size of aunties fleet?
>>1330158We should gently ask Magus about the weapon or imply our knowledge of it. Springing that we originally designed the weapon that ruined the earth is something we need to be careful about. On the other hand, understanding our roll in this is critical to fully explaining the danger of the void and what we'd like in our further relationship with the humans.>>1330245Supporting some variation of this.>>1330266Also supporting.
>>1330314>Telling them to not attempt to destroy void shards, don't use void shards, don't go near void shards, don't do anything but contain void shards is enough to drive them off ever using the Psionic Cannon.Well that's true, but I really want to get schematics for the cannon without needing to research it. We need to find a way to get that. But maybe that is a discussion for another time.
>>1330329We do have the carriers. Could trade the help for the schematics.
>>1330315We can give it after, just make the offer and deliver on Magnus hands personaly. So he and the Commonwealth can have a idea were he shouldn't send their ships.
>>1330158"The Hive has suffered greatly by the Union's tampering with ancient devices beyond their understanding." You say."The artifact of that shipwreck we recovered, that would be an example I assume? You've mentioned this already, but without much in the way of details." Magnus replies."Yes." You say. "Knowledge is dangerous. Ignorance is the best defence.""Well you clearly know plenty more than you've let on so far about these artifacts, their function, and their origin, but I have yet to see any reason to believe that won't sweep us up in the danger with you." He says as he lights a cigar with a small electric lighter with a quick motion. "I can respect everyone has their secrets, and your business is your business, but it's already affecting humanity both in the Union and here, and I'm not going to accept the claim that ignoring it is the best way to fight something that may already be causing mass chaos.">Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Sol>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>Explain the events of Nowhere>Other
>>1330329They won't just GIVE us a superweapon we just explained is insanely dangerous to use.It will cast doubt on our motives and the warning will appear insincere, a canny, manipulative grab for power and monopoly over the ultimate weapon.
>>1330334>>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Sol>>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>>Explain the events of NowhereYes to all this. Explain it in this order too.
>>1330334>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of SolExplain how humanity was engineered to have their brains melt if exposed to psionics, thus earning them the nickname of "Blind" and also immunity against being enslaved like the Ceph or Skyl or the Hive.>Explain the events of NowhereIn that order.
>>1330334>Explain the events of Nowhere>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Sol>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal godsIn this order
>>1330334>Other"Be warned, you asked for this knowledge.">Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>Explain the events of Nowhere
>>1330341Please no.>>1330334>>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal godsWe just need to explain what happened to the Black Queen. That's all they need to know to demonstrate how ignorance is safety.
>>1330334>>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal godsthen>>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Soland finish with>>Explain the events of Nowhere
>>1330344You know what?He wants to know, we'll fucking tell him.Supporting this.
>>1330350>"Be warned, you asked for this knowledge."Yeah, probably a good lead-in.
>>1330334>and I'm not going to accept the claim that ignoring it is the best way to fight something that may already be causing mass chaos."It is""I will warn you now Magnus, if i were to tell you my secrets it would crush your worldview and everything you thought about your place in the universe. Are you sure your ready?"If he still says yes>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Sol>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>Explain the events of Nowhere
>>1330334>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Sol>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods
>>1330334>>OtherFirst you have to promise not to speak of what we speak here to any other humans. Not even to your other Admirals.
>>1330334>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of SolAsk if he is familiar with the events that caused the explosion of Luna.>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal godsSay that the crystals have a negative affect on organisms when used in masse or experimented on. Further information could be given under a more secure channel.>Explain the events of NowhereSay that an experiment done on a Union research facility resulted in the destruction of a server ship in less than 10 seconds and it would have only gotten worse if we hadnt intervened.
>>1330344>Explain how humanity was engineered to have their brains melt if exposed to psionics, thus earning them the nickname of "Blind" and also immunity against being enslaved like the Ceph or Skyl or the Hive.No. This is something we spring on him another time. We are doing enough of a knowledge dump as is. We don't need an existential crisis on top of that. Just explain it away as "innate and so far unexplained innate human psychic resistance." But also ABSOLUTELY explain that it is possible for such resistance to be overcome (possibly by sharing pictures of crystal brains from Nowhere). We don't want Magus to think he's okay researching this due to some human immunity.
>>1330368This too, everything we say beginning now is to remain between us.
>>1330334I think we shouldn't tell him every detail, just the abridged version. The entire version should be told under a more secure channel or in person.
>>1330376i can get behind in saying the humans have resistance to the void gods
>>1330334>Explain the events of NowhereAnd make sure no-one else is listenning to this transmission.
>>1330404We absolutely have to hedge down our knowledge of Nowhere to only things we can handwave away as learned via 'mysterious bullshit' like 'we heard the screaming'.We hardly want to hint about how we have a mole in the Union in the form of Gilliam, or cloaked pods watching them.
>>1330414That's going to be difficult. It's possible the Commandant bugged Magnus's flagship or something.We'd have no way of knowing.
>>1330376>BlindTelling them they are resistant will just make them less scared of the void!
>>1330415Our pod noticed the psionic signal before Gilliam was briefed.
>>1330404This is their military QComm network from one admiral's ship to another. Channels don't get more secure than this, in fact an in-person meeting could probably be eavesdropped on easier.
>>1330415IIRC we told, or implied, to the union that we noticed their experiment because ... we are familiar with the tech and we sensed it. Not because we were watching all along.
>>1330352If we explain the nature of the Psionic Cannon at the Battle of Sol, we're admitting to having given humanity an insanely dangerous weapon that would draw aggro from an unfathomable 4-dimensional being just by using it.We'd have to explain how Mom utterly did not care about human welfare, and used them as pawns. Or they'd infer as much themselves. And we're stuck protesting that no we're totally not using them like that, really.
>>1330451>weThat was our mom anon not us.
>>1330440Yes...that's what I said.
>>1330456Yes, we, the plural. The hive race.It's hardly a leap for them to conclude the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And they'd just have our word it was totally someone else.
>>1330451>If we explain the nature of the Psionic Cannon at the Battle of Sol, we're admitting to having given humanity an insanely dangerous weapon that would draw aggro from an unfathomable 4-dimensional being just by using it.Hey, they're fine now, right? Even managed to get a few shots off. The Void didn't even show up.
>>1330451True, we should just tell him about>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>Explain the events of NowhereBut i don't think that's going to win.
>>1330464Except the ceph started to show up and look around And now we came out of the woodwork
>>1330451When they say that that's when we retort"Well we tried not to fucking tell you anything about them, because we don't believe in using you like pawns like Mom did.But you just didn't fucking want that so here's what you got."
>>1330464The void is just watching if they hear us talking about the Canon i think we will start seeing much more activity from auntie and the ceph.
>>1330451I could be okay with explaining how "the ancient" hives did not care for human welfare. But we are not an ancient hive and we care about them. Or something like that.
>>1330470The only reason the Red Hive exists is because White Queen was defeated. For all she did, she couldn't stop them.Not Black Queen, not the Ceph, and not the Void.>>1330481I feel that summarizes the retort nicely.
>>1330481That doesn't make any sense. It would imply telling them this makes them pawns, when it doesn't even serve a useful function like using them as guinea pigs building the Cannon did.
>>1330481I can support this. Knowledge is dangerous and he asked for it. He gets what he asked for.
>>1330491The gardener would probably have cared for them unlike our mother.A little too much even
>>1330515Gardener was the best. I bet Gardner and Builder would be the Red queen's favorite aunts.
>>1330451Oh, also.Our shock that humans have finite lifespans. It's gonna be harder to explain away when it turns out we have historical interactions with humans from 100 years ago.If we knew about the lunar death ray details, how'd we not know about human details in general?
>>1330536>If we knew about the lunar death ray details, how'd we not know about human details in general?"We were pretending in order to appear on a more even footing."
>>1330536Because Mom was a paranoid bitch and we're still finding tidbits of information she hid away.
>>1330376>so far unexplainedI'd drop this part. It adds no useful information and makes the statement a lie.
>>1330536They know we were faking that It why he stormed in to ask us about fighting the scavs in the first place when the rest of his science guys were screaming about unknown unkownsSince he got sick and tired of all the bullshit in the place
>>1330497No, it implies that we wanted to keep them separate from any fooling with the crystal gods. We didn't want to drag them into it like our mother did, and as evidence we didn't even want to tell them these things existed except in so far as we had to in order for them to stay away. But they asked for it, so we'll go ahead and tell him specifically. And we'll tell him enough that we hope he independently draws the same conclusion we did, that these things need to be as little known as possible so as to reduce their danger.
>>1330536"We thought it was funny"
>>1330557>But they asked for it, Actually it was Union's fault. If they hadn't decided to mess with that shit the humans wouldn't need to know about this things.
>>1330553>They know we were faking thatNot yet they don't.>>1330553>It why he stormed in to ask us about fighting the scavs in the first placNo it isn't. We feared it was why but that wasn't remotely related. He just had an urgent need of Scav-fighting and no time to dance around it, because Prince Reuenthal went SPACE WAR NOW so they had 2 fronts.
>>1330334>Explain the nature of the psionic cannon from the Battle of Sol>Explain the history of the Hive's conflict with the crystal gods>Explain the events of NowhereJust the basic facts. No need to go into details or expose previous Hive involvement in Human affairs.
>>1330566They not idiots man He stormed in cause he got sick and tired of the back and through bullshit that was spewed and wanted a serious matter dealt with And our acting was not really that good to begin with to be honest
>>1330565Pretty much yea, we had a entire different plan before the nowhere catastrophe started.It's all killingers fault.
>>1330565Well Magnus just did specifically ask about it. That's what I was referring to.>>1330566He's clearly the sort who acknowledges posturing, but does away with it when the need arises. Pretty anyone with the balls and half a brain would call bullshit on a race with a mastery of genetics thinking it incredible that non-engineered lifeforms have finite lifespans.
>>1330581Pretty sure the experiment was done on the orders of a member of the Security Council.
>>1330583>thinking it incredible that non-engineered lifeforms have finite lifespansWe assumed they were smart enough to be self-engineered, since they had spaceflight. That was how the conversation went.
>>1330589Aka killingers cronies, also i recall someone saying he started the whole psionic research or something.
>>1330334>Tell him that we'd have to tell him the details in private because we don't want anyone eavesdropping on this call.
>>1330592Yeah the conversation basically went like >going into space before you master your own biologysmug drone.3pr
>>1330604RIP anon's vote it died of loneliness
>>1330592>>1330605And it was clearly bullshit to all parties involved.
>>1330598We was the man behind Seiner and also has Windsor(The intelligence secretery), for who Michael works. Michael was the one burecrat in charge of the psionic lab and Giliam was the scientest.
>>1330598Based upon their interactions they Council does not seem like Killenger's cronies at all. They seem more like colleagues:they take care of the matters of the Council, while Killenger, as senator, has more room to scheme using non-government funds and business because he is under less scrutiny. If the Council turned against him then he would be fucked, but it would probably have to be at the very least 4 of them against him.
>>1330622>And it was clearly bullshitWiseman, the xeno studying scientist, found it extremely plausible for aliens to assume that others' tech trees would go like ours did.
>>1330621qcomms are unbreakable as far as we know, they operate on entangled particles so they dont leave a information trail that can be decoded.
>>1330647That cause he was a rookie diplomat and had no idea how much bullshit there is in diplomacy
>>1330334"Be warned, you ask for knowledge that carries danger with its understanding." Your drone begins. "What we say cannot be said to any other. We fear it would bring great danger to all life in this region, and sow great chaos across your space.""I'll determine that once I've heard it, but on the whole I understand. Information control isn't something new to humanity." Magnus says."Then know this. The Hive fights an enemy older than humanity, in a war that has lasted longer than your kind has existed. They see those who see them, and their agents are everywhere. The Hive has fought with their slave races for as long as we know, and their devastation marks the Expanse.""We're ants stuck between two fighting elephants, you mean." Magnus says. "We know you're more advanced than us, older than us both personally and as a species. So far humanity has met only species of a similar technological level, slightly more advanced with the Valen, and a few centuries behind with the Taidaren. I always felt it was a matter of time before we found someone further along their development than anything we've seen before." He inhales his cigar and sighs for a moment, clouding the screen with smoke. "But advanced bio-engineering aside, either you've spent countless years as a spacefaring species at war making no technological advancements, or the war has sent you backwards technologically." He thinks for a moment as the smoke clears around his face. "Unless there's a point where technological advancement goes from exponential advancement to a near complete plateau at some point." Your speaker chitters.>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual death>Move on without responding>Other
We should end our story by saying."As you can see, the Union really dropped the ball in this situation."
>>1330658Told ya anons Everyone got us clues to what we are they just dont have all the knowledge >Move on without responding
>>1330658>Explain the exodus of the Ancient HivesAnd since Mum was one of the supervisors of that exodus, segue into>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual deathAfter all, it doesn't look like we're holding anything back for this conversation.
>>1330658"In the past 100,000 years there have been perhaps 100 Queens total. How many genuinely new ideas do you think 100 people have?"
>>1330658>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives
>>1330658"As we shall shortly explain, you are correct, this everlasting war has stolen from us our hope and a great deal of our potential.">Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual death
>>1330655>qcommsThat's why, obviously, the Commonwealth Secret Police or another Admiral or someone would have to bug the computer system on the other side, since you can't tap the line.So it's not impossible.
>>1330658>Move on without responding
>>1330658>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual deathBoth. The simple fact is that we *have* been making significant technological advances since our awakening, and letting him know that strengthens our position rather than weakens it. Maybe the ancient hives were stagnant, but we are not. That might be part of why the White Queen left us with so little information. It might have held us back as much as helped us.
>>1330658>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives"For the record, we try not to show off the best stuff too much. And planetcrackers are expensive."
>>1330676No. Do not say this. We're still being ambiguous about just how our intelligence is distributed through our hivemind.
>>1330658>"We're ants stuck between two fighting elephants, you mean."I don't think he quite gets it. Do you think Lovecraft is still a thing enough that we can use it as an analogy?
>>1330658>>Move on without respondingOR>>OtherWe told you that ignorance is protection. We have been blessed with ignorance, for our ancestors died of their knowledge.
>>1330658>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives"Much knowledge was lost during the exodus."Also explain that biological immortality does tend to lead to stagnation, yes. He's not wrong.
>>1330676To be fair queens do a marginal part of the thinking involved in a hives advancement, she really doesnt even do all the work involved with making new ideas since tons of our techs are based on ideas the thinkers came up with.
>>1330658Respond with something along the lines of "we have suffered loses and...setbacks in the conflict. At times we barely survived near-extinction."
>>1330658Unless there's a point where technological advancement goes from exponential advancement to a near complete plateau at some point."That probably it to be honest, at some point marginal returns start kicking as there only so many ways to make stuff go boom
>>1330705I'd agree, but we're proof that that wasn't a point that the ancient hives had reached. We already have tech and abilities that they did not.
>>1330658>Information control isn't something new to humanity." Magnus says.You are individuals. Your whims are selfish and your risk/reward estimations differ wildly.You must not even trust your closest peers and underlings with this knowledge, no matter how high their rank.
>>1330658>>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual death
>>1330575>He stormed in cause he got sick and tired of the back and through bullshit that was spewedHe stormed in because he had a deadline and a war starting. It was very, very explicit.Wiseman's memories show that bullshitting back and forth on our interstellar date was his idea in the FIRST place. He wasn't that opposed to it. Circumstances changed.
>>1330658>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual death
>>1330658>>Other"Now that you have heard it, what is your determination? Will you heed our warning in containing this information? Or who will you share it with? It is only fair if we tell you this, and you refuse to heed our warning, you tell us the identities of all humans who will share this dangerous knowledge."
>>1330676That is way too specific. And revealing of a weakness.
>>1330658>older than us both personally and as a speciesThis is actually incorrect.The Red Hive has only been around for maybe half of a human year.I kind of want to correct him, but ehhh...
>>1330658>Other"War as you understand it usually leaves one contender alive. War as we understand it scours resources and knowledge from systems, makes tampering with systems an invitation to extinction, and leaves all parties dead, held down for millennia, or hiding to survive until the next conflict."We could also say "Some technology removes progress, and only." Since the classical example of that would be world destroying thermonuclears...to sum it's saying "yea, but no." Skyl would be the actual example of being "held down" since Heretic was in hiding. Don't tell him that, tho.
>>1330765Yes, but let's not reveal that until the very last thread of the quest, and our enemies/friends find out they've been dealing with a space toddler.
>>1330765Actually this speaker could admit that it was hatched not long before the meeting with Wiseman.
>>1330658>"We already gave you what you needed to know about our enemies, if you want to know anymore we'll have to discuss this in private and in person."This conversation is going into a more personal level now, so we should treat it as such.
>>1330784That'd be neat.
>>1330789No, that irrelevant right now
>>1330658>>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives>>1330765Telling him that our hive personally has only existed for around that long would be really fucking intimating and give across how little we're fucking around. We had to start from scratch with our technology and are already at this level.
>>1330805That's a good point. Our strength isn't in doubt, and letting him know just how quickly we built it up only makes it more impressive.
We're sending agents to break Decker out and find out what the ETA is for the Tannhauser Gate coming online, in a quest to get its blueprints.But what if.
>>1330826And then we tell there is another hive. One that is hostile and has being active for around 70 thousand years. I would shit my pants if i was Magnus.
>>1330805>>1330826But would it intimidate them too much that they think it's better to get rid of us before we become unspeakably powerful? Well, I suppose if they decide to spite us like the Union.
>>1330805We can save it for a rainy day when we really want to intimdate someone. We can only get the full effect of raw, human shock once.
>>1330765>>1330805Lets tell him our age. It will really drive our point home.
>>1330843This a private convo where he swore to tell no-one what we talked about. We will be able to experience this at least twice
>>1330854He hasn't actually sworn anything. He said he'd determine whether he'd listen afterwards.
>>1330765Good idea. We can offer this correction to him. We're a space toddler effectively and we already have a fleet many times larger than his.
>>1330838Logistcaly speaking since this we went and talked to then it tells then we can be negotiaded with.The other isn't likely to do the same.
Ya guys are dedicated to acting cheeky in every conversation aren't ya? Even if its totally ruins the mood
>>1330658>>Explain the exodus of the Ancient Hives>>Explain the White Queen's meddling and her eventual deathAlso put in a quip that he's technically wrong about the age. As a species we have been around for much, much, longer than he has. But on a personal level our hive is in its infancy.
>>1330873He said "individually."It's more hilarious to assume he's using that to refer to this individual speaker's age.
>>1330873Yes, tell him our hive is less than a year old. The 'say what?' moment will be worth the calculation as it sinks in that it's only taken a year for the hive to attain this level of warfighting capability.
Is QD's captcha still buggered?
>>1330866Well, relatively speaking compared to the Union. These are humans we're talking about and they can be fickle people. You're right that of the two the Commonwealth can be expected to at least not hold the Idiot Ball in a fit of panic if we decide to clue them in. So I suppose we can trust that they’d really start ramping up their defensive efforts against the Void forces if they learn of the true gravity of the situation they’re dealing with.
>>1330658Its more accurate to say your an ant stuck between a mouse and a tiger the hive lost the war and only a small renmant remains free.
>>1330919Yeah, this may "technically" be accurate, but no way we're going to tell him this. Or the ant may decide to take their chances allying with the tiger against the mouse.
>>1330658>>Explain the exodus of the Ancient HivesThat is about the limit of what we can afford to tell him at this time.
>>1330926We never said if we are the tiger or the rat.
>>1330926Besides it would be stupid to ally with the tiger an ant is unnoticed besides if they tried they find they'll just be crushed
>>1330907To be honest, the most natural thing for them to do would be targeting Union research centers or acquiring artifacts for themselves. IE; A covert artifact-rush in the expanse becoming their next arms race.Because us telling them not to and that the Union has tried only means the Union might have access to powers or technology that a more advanced species is telling them the dangers of.Given their command structure someone could just say "we need those as weapons if the bugs say they're dangerous and the Union might have some" and that's all it would take. It's not like they have more information than us on the Union's actual research efforts, they'd only need the assumption and paranoia takes care of the rest.Now figure into it that we're not outwardly benevolent at all and the only reasons to trust us so far are our war assistance, which while considerable isn't anything new for their political powers (commonwealth history) to use as a front for other objectives, it's still a very shaky alliance of opportunity and their expectations have really only gone as far enemy of my enemy. Although, I imagine this conversation as one of the opportunities to change that.
>>1330658"This Hive's progenitor hives suffered greatly. We have told you ignorance offers protection, this hive used that protection after most of our kind fled and died in conflict. The White Hive's plans failed, and we must continue." You say. "Additionally, this speaker was produced shortly before our meeting.""Well you get my meaning." He says simply. Your speaker chitters quietly as it leans in, almost climbing onto the terminal."What details do you know of the destruction of your homeworld's moon?""At the Battle of Sol?" He asks. "I might ask what you know about it, other than what we've told you already.""The weapon used utilized the artifacts the Union now meddle with.""What are you talking about? How did- Seiner, the lab team, they said they found an artifact that contained ancient technology, but they said it had been buried for thousands of years. It was some manner of semi-organic structure but-" Magnus pinches the bridge of his nose. "I was just a child at the time, living in New Columbia. I can still remember the evacuation order being given as the Union entered the system. My father was Secretary of Defence under the Hegemon at the time. He was in the White House when the Union started firing long range impactors, I remember I could see the glow of the fires from " He looks at your drone intensely. Those beams from the moon cast shadows on the surface in the middle of the night. Then the whole thing just cracked open." He says. "After it all I eventually made my way up the chain of command to where I am now, and the first report I demand is our records on the Battle of Sol, and the weapon we used, and I get told that not only was it based on alien technology, the lead scientist claimed the alien technology helped him to build it in his dreams. You're telling be that was you?""Our progenitor." You reply. "It was a weapon of great power, one that can harm the enemy.""So you had us make your weapon, why? What do our labs have that yours don't?">Individuality helps research>Humans were made resistant to the Void>Other
>>1331010We have sacrificed our forces to save theirs in our battles against the scavs. In regards to an arms race, we can and will shut that fucking thing down by stating that any detected void shenanigans will be confiscated or, if its too late, bombed. They can have an arms race with other stuff.
>>1331019>Humans were made resistant to the Void>OtherSo it wouldn't be traced back to us
>>1331010True, but we are also telling them that messing with artifacts in the first place is the entire reason we have an invasion fleet over the Union capital now. It wouldn't be a stretch for them to assume (or hell, we should just tell them outright), that if the Commonwealth decides to fuck around with artifacts we will stop them by any means at our disposal.
>>1331019>Humans were made resistant to the Void
>>1330926Can't we say that he got inbetween a fight of a elder elephant against a younger one?
>>1331019It wasn't us, was it?I thought the Void Gods were the ones who did the dreaming shit.If it was the WQ, she wouldn't have been able to help them design it.
>>1331019>Individuality helps research>OtherIn addition to your individuality, humans also exhibited attributes that would make you slightly more resistant to void corruption. This resistance would allow you to assemble a weapon while still being partially blind to its true function - thus keeping you from becoming enslaved to the entity.At least, that is what the ancient hives had thought. The Union's recent experiment on Nowhere has proven that the Void's corruption is more insidious than even we, who had fought it for thousands of years, have imagined. (Segway into discussion of Nowhere).
>>1331019>>Individuality helps research>>1331045>crystals whispering into human brains how to build a weapon that can harm crystal fueled by killing crystalsAnon...have you seen our tech tree lately.
>>1331019>Individuality helps research"Collectivization helps reverse engineering. Its a trade off in our experience."
>>1331019>>Individuality helps researchFor the love of mother, don't tell him that we were responsible for the Luna event. That was the beginning of everything bad that has happened to the Commonwealth for nearly a century.
>>1331019Individuality protects from the void. If a singular person, or even an entire team are corrupted, you can remove them and continue research. If a hive is corrupted, you get the OQ
>>1331019Seconding this other as well>>1331058
>>1331019>Individuality helps researchOne gets infected, it prevents the whole group from immediatly getting infected.>Humans were made resistant to the VoidDont say that we had any part in it , but still state that humanity's incompatibility means that at worst humans would get an extreme anyerism instead of getting infected. We can save the the first scene of 2001:A Space Odyssey for later and just confirm the second part.
>>1331059Calling it now, Void gods are ascended queens
>>1331019>Individuality helps research>>1331031Yeah, that's right. They should be smart enough to make the connection.>>1331028>you can have an arms race with other stuff.I'm having fun imagining the speaker saying that. Which, really, wouldn't be so bad.
>>1331019changing vote from>>1331075to>>1331058
>>1331019>Individuality helps research>Humans were made resistant to the Void"The Hive is many, but it is one. One Queen, one thought. Humanity is a thought for every life. And your thoughts, their patterns and methods, were carefully cultivated in Humanity's infancy by the White Hive to be uniquely resistant to this enemy."
>>1331019>Other ignorance you didn't know what you were making so the enemy couldn't find you.
>>1331058Let's not use terms like "corruption" and "enslaved."We should be vague. Say they seemed resistant to the "deleterious effects of exposure."
>>1331019Changing my vote to support this one>>1331058
>>1331074Doesn't fit what the OQ is up to or why the void gods destroyed most of the hives.
>>1331058To be fair, we dont know if the scientists on Luna had any void shards, we just knew that they were working with the void crystals(there are the white crystals), unlike at Nowhere.
>>1331106That's completely orthogonal and has nothing to do with where the void came from originally. Anyone could do those things for mysterious reasons.
>>1331019Lie. Confess we don't totally understand how it works. Tell them mother was afraid of having the weapon turned on us by the OQ so it was designed to be partially operated by another species, humans.Gives us a reason to be aiding them, a reason why we need them and a reason why we won't just point it at them once we get it. Plus it implies we can choose between either them or the union for our goals.
>>1331106The void gods jealously guarded their rite to ascension, to keep being special snowflakes?
Anons, what do you think is going to go through his head once he learns that his species has an innate resistance to the Void? He, or someone in his government, will inevitably start wanting to tamper with it under the assumption that they will be safe from its influence. Humanity is even more driven by runaway curiosity and a desire to learn everything they can about the world around them without considering the wider consequences than the Unity. Just telling him this much is going to give him a powerful incentive to restart the experiments that destroyed Luna, telling him everything is extremely likely to give someone in the Commonwealth the incentive to fuck up just the way the Union did.
>>1331124Resistant, not immune. See also: nowhere.
>>1331124That is way we are telling him about what happend at nowhere and how the crystal manage to by pass this resistance.
>>1331019"Your individuality improves your research. We are together, we have no conflict of thought. It is difficult for us to discover, and time was pressing. Humans were the best suited for research. You are insulated in part from the vision needed to see the enemy and for it to see back. This Hive's progenitor sought help from your researchers and gave you the weapon in payment." Your drone says.>Mention that the White Queen altered humanity in its distant past>Do not>Other
>>1331124So they'll start firmly grasping the Idiot Ball if we tell him this because they'll think they're the Chosen Ones fated to defeat the Void Gods From Beyond?
>>1331121If they check the blueprints though, they'll not find any design limitations that seem to require humans, that can't be replaced with drones.That'll be hard to convince them of.The most effective way to get the blueprints would have to utilize their own desire to use it, you'd have to lie and say that you have ideas of how to improve it to be less dangerous, so that the humans can use it to protect themselves.
>>1331124Also Magnus seems like a smart guy if we are frank and don't say any bullshit he will get how serious this situation is. He might even decide to not tell the hole truth to high command since the void can corrupt the ones that start research it.
>>1331019An expendable race.
>>1331140>Do not Not the time and if he tells someone we don't want people having existence problems.
>>1331140>Mention that the White Queen altered humanity in its distant past
>>1331140>Other>"This Hive's progenitor was also hoping that the humans could be able to resist the Void more than we could, but that didn't bear as much fruit as they hoped."
I just realized that the Hive has the anwser for two of humanitys biggest question. "Why i'm here? Why do i exist?"
>>1331140>Do notI don't think humanity as a whole would take kindly to that. To us Humanity is like a distant cousin, but they wouldn't see it that way.
>>1331192They're not even good answers, either...Even being a mistake is better than the truth.
>>1331140>This Hive's progenitor sought help from your researchers and gave you the weapon in payment." Your drone says.We should add the destruction of the moon was not anticipated, don't want blame for that.
>>1331198>distant cousinI would say they are more like a pet...but whatever.
>>1331205That would be a lie obviously.The White Queen saw exactly what happened to the Builder's planet.
>>1331205I thought it was more they mishandled the weapon that it was destroyed?
>>1331205Wasn't the explosion because of a bad aligment of a critical part of the weapon?
>>1331210Yeah, but he's not going to know what was in dead mother's head.
>>1331140>>1331178>Do notThat could be a partial explanation in addition to why we wanted them for their individuality.
>>1331199Are you kidding? The great destiny of humanity is to be used as the ace in the hole against a giant unknowable super entity from beyond space?You know, I bet if we all try REAL hard we can think of some existing media with JUST THAT CONCEPT that everyone thinks is just the coolest.
>>1331199Truth. Some anwsers are better without not being anwsered.
>>1331205We don't need to say it. Its use a weapon in a war between humans is what caused the accident, and that was clearly not its intended use.
>>1331212>>1331216Not totally sure, it been awhile since I read the archives, but what actually happened is less important than how he percieves what happened.
>>1331230>the intended use of a weapon wasn't using it as a weapon
>>1331210To be fair, it was more like a risk. It seemed like mom used the humans to get as much of the development done as possible. She got a lot of info, however when they used it, it still needed a few tweaks.
>>1331224A single individual might see it like that anon. The problem with humans is that they try to much to fit into the "masses" and the masses are very dumb.
>>1331230>>1331238Maybe he means that accidentally destroying the moon wasn't a part of its intended use?
>>1331058Oh, great.If we're explaining Nowhere incident now he's going to know that Nowhere is indirectly our own damn fault, because the WQ put crystals where the Union could later recover and study them.Like letting them run with scissors.
>>1331224That great destiny also cost them their homeworld and put them on the frontlines of a conflict they wanted no part in nor had any hope of winning on their own. The fact that this was all done against their will by an uncaring alien power would not go down well with them, this is like the Necrons engineering humanity to produce nulls.
>>1331238It wasn't intended to be used against mortals
>>1331251>>1331246That's fine, there's different spins on the same tale.
>>1331224I suppose we can dress it up all we want. Even if it's still gonna get every possible interpretation imaginable we could probably sell it as a great thing at a later time, and the primary reason we let them stick around for so long.
>>1331257>That's fine>pissing the humans off is fineSPACE WAR NOW?
>>1331250Wait what? I think you are playing to much shadowrun anon.
>>1331224>>1331246>>1331251>>1331257>>1331259>>1331262I think it might work better if we tell them as a part of the truth that they're the Chosen Ones and we're here to help realize their destiny as saviors of the galaxy, as the caretakers of humanity or something.
>>1331252The humans were given the weapon for their own use. They didn't have any local gods to aim it at. It was known what the targets would be.
>>1331270Well that would explain why this weird alien bug race is devoting so many resources to protecting them and opting for diplomacy rather than total assimilation.And, also, furthermore and quite, it's a very reckless thing to tell them.
>>1331265He now knows for a fact that void shards were on the moon. He's about to know studying a void shard caused the incident at Nowhere. He knows Sol has been Union territory for 100 years.It will not be a far off guess that they found it there and not in the Expanse. Not to mention if he disregards our warnings and sends spies to investigate the incident and finds out about Project Moonraker.
>>1331250>because the WQ put crystals where the Union could later recover and study them.Why would we say this, and how would he reach that conclusion otherwise?
>>1331270If you truly mean this, then the image is for you.If not, then the image is for the 'umies if they believe it
>>1331295I don't, but it'd certainly play into humanity's ego, wouldn't it?
>>1331270Humans are to individual to that. There is many outcomes that could come up from it. But now isn't the time to talk about humanity's destiny. They can figure it ou by themselfs.
>>1331292>Why would we say thisWe literally just explained how the Psionic Cannon used those artifacts, anon. The Union won the Battle of Sol, remember.
>>1331304Magnus isn't a teenager. If he's got that kind of an ego he's already got his own narrative that he's the hero of and ours would just interfere.
>>1331289Silly anon the void crystals were acquired in the expanse were we cleary said was a war between us and the voids. You think we wouldn't have managed to take down some of the slave races ships?
>>1331307So? I don't see the connection to this thought:> Nowhere is indirectly our own damn fault, because the WQ put crystals where the Union could later recover and study them.If anything the Union should have known it was a bad idea, since they're already blown up the moon.
>>1331306>>1331314Not if we ramp up the anime levels to 11 and get them to realize their inner shonen hero.
>>1331326It's a fact that if the psionic cannon had not been given to humans then Nowhere wouldn't have happened.The lunar death ray was a mistake. No foresight of possible long term consequences.
>>1331326I still don't understand how it would be ourfault with Union messing around with a thing that the Ceph use as their FTL.
>>1331338You could try to blame the WQ for the moon, but blaming the Union deciding to shoot themselves in the foot *again* at Nowhere is completely on them.
>>1331338Anon i don't understand your logic. The Union was researching the crystals because of the Ceph that use the same crystals in their tech.
>>1331140>Mention that the White Queen altered humanity in its distant pastSupporting, although it's not going to pass
>>1331348>give humans the crystals that are known to seduce and enslave carbon based life>it enslaved some of themThe child that shot his eye out with a BB gun is stupid, but so is the person who left it lying around knowing it's a magic BB gun that tries to convince you to shoot yourself.
>>1331140"So you're too unified to come up with your own plans, but you can crunch the numbers just fine.""Yes." You say. "The Hive could not produce it without attracting their attention. Humans were beneath their notice.""Until now." Magnus says. "These artifacts. They were the same alien devices used to power Ceph craft. So these things would be what, one of their slave races?" He chews on his cigar as it smolders. "And they've been attacking the Union almost exclusively. Mostly focused in or near the Expanse, and their attacks have gotten worse over the past few years. Their tampering with artifacts is attracting their attention, making them hostile?" Magnus asks. It seems rhetorical as he continues without much pause."So that means the Union recovered some part of the weapon after they took Sol. We were always afraid of that but we never thought anything substantial could have survived the blast.""Their experiments have no guidance from the Hive. They blunder with the artifacts blindly and it has cost them greatly. Their bungling has attracted their attention, and they began to offer their own guidance to their research. Their research facility fell to their control, and the Hive was forced to intervene.""You mean the incident in deep space. They like to think they can park a high end research facility on Valen space and think it's a secret, but when you're so close to so many pirates and anarchists, someone is going to talk for some credits. I saw footage taken from the local colonies already." He says. "This explains it then." Something begins beeping in the background and he examines some alert on his screen. "I have less than an hour to estimated combat. We should resume this talk at some point, but I at least appreciate your honesty. It's more than your progenitors offered." He says, and he ends the call as alerts begin to sound of incoming enemy fighters and the launching of munitions rocks his office.Your speaker stands up from the terminal, stretching its legs with a faint creak like twisting wood, and make your way back to the flag bridge just as an alert begins to sound across the ship of a similar nature, and your speaker straps itself into the form-fitting harness provided.cont.
>>1331334>>1331363Of course, we wouldn't be telling them the truth anytime soon because the Union has already demonstrated themselves as being more of the Idiot Hero who can't be trusted with the fate of the galaxy. The Commonwealth being humans are only a few steps away from pulling a Union after all.My proposition was just a hypothetical in the event we ever do reveal the truth, to get them on board and watch the hilarity that ensues if they buy it.
>>1331385The "shot out the eye" event is the moon blowing up. Nowhere is shooting out the *other* eye.
>>1331386"We should resume this talk at some point, but I at least appreciate your honesty. It's more than your progenitors offered." Well this went better then expected.
>>1331386BASED MAGNUS NO FOOL HE IS
>>1331386>They were the same alien devices used to power Ceph craft. So these things would be what, one of their slave races? And they've been attacking the Union almost exclusively. Mostly focused in or near the Expanse, and their attacks have gotten worse over the past few years. Their tampering with artifacts is attracting their attention, making them hostile>when the GM has to point out the obvious connections nobody madeWell, I think this went well. In before Magnus is killed, though.
>>1331424>nobody madeIt was obvious and was speculated already long ago.
>>1331386>but I at least appreciate your honesty. It's more than your progenitors offeredIf they were honest you'd be exposed and in greater shit now. They did it for your own protection.
>>1331424It was extremely fucking obvious
>>1331424We learned that during the rescue lee from that labLook at the anons chatting in the archive
>>1331386Dammit Magnus, who are you going to tell? What other humans are you about to blab to after the battle?He still didn't say if he agreed to never speak of this to another human being or not.
>>1331353The motives for their research are irrelevant, the crystals would have corrupted them by mere proximity regardless.
>>1331440Hes probably going to tell his fellow admirals if it becomes relevant. He will probably hedge his words and emphasize an info quarantine, but he is under no obligation not to inform his comrades of a dangerous threat.
>>1331440>He still didn't say if he agreed to never speak of this to another human being or not.No shit the CW has it own inner council he have to tell and they prob were monitoring this
>>1331451>he is under no obligationHence the whole point of trying to extract a promise out of him, duh.
>>1331440>>1331424>>1331451>>1331458After this battle, he's gonna get shitfaced drunk at a bar and blearily tell everyone in the room about this, in front of some enemy spooks.
>>1331433Specifically the part about the Commonwealth not being attacked by Ceph much, if at all, isn't something I recall being talked about a lot, although there wouldn't be a way for us to know.Hmm, now that I think back, the only Ceph attack we've seen so far was in Dagmar on a supply ship...
>>1331458He doesn't "have to tell" anybody. He said he'd determine whether or not he'd tell anyone else.He didn't say what he'd decided yet.
>>1331483They been quiet,Way too fucking quiet
>>1331486The inner council will demand him to tell them what was in this discussion Serious man that is a given
>>1331386Lee examines the silken sleeves of his suit with some contemplation."You know, I get it's fancy and all, but do you think these things would be appropriate for a dinner? I mean they sorta drag all over and I don't want to get it in soup or something.""Humans have evolved sophisticated dining rituals to prevent this. The Hive does not require such formalities for communal nutrient consumption." Your speaker says, Lee looks to your drone with some annoyance."Right, I know, but still, It's a diplomatic dinner and I don't want to get anything on the suit.""Human fitted exo-skin is intended to protect from damage, infection, hazardous environments, and environmental refuse. Should the Lee get nutrients on the suit, the suit will consume them.""Oh." Lee says with a look of mild apprehension as he examines the glossy white chitinous plates lining his forearms beneath the light red silk woven over. "Alright then. Did you have any 'gift' to offer? I mean, they tend to lower their standards for first contact, and I doubt that gift basket was given with the hopes of getting anything more than your appreciation and maybe a private meeting, but I doubt it would hurt.">Yes (write in)>No>Other
>>1331386The one thing about the conclusion we all drew and that Magnus drew as well is that the crystals caused Nowhere to happen on purpose.It makes no sense to be angry that humans are doing exactly what you tell them to do in their dreams.The research was entirely under the crystal's own control by the end, and Ceph raids were still happening for no apparent reason.> Their bungling has attracted their attention, and they began to offer their own guidance to their research. Their research facility fell to their control, and the Hive was forced to intervene."
>>1331496They can demand what they want, he outranks them all :^)
>>1331500>Yes fish and other food stuffsNo point starting shit when we have such uneven footing right now after the meeting with the union
>>1331500>yes>Fish meat specifically designed to appeal to Valen taste buds
>>1331496>>1331515He can tell them that he and the speaker held hands and sang Kumbaya together so now the Hive loves them and there's absolutely nothing to worry about?
>>1331515You really dont understand how power works in a organization do you?
>>1331500>YesA cask of Leeland Nectar, the very same food our prized thinkers consume, this is a kingly gift indeed!
>>1331500>Do you think this'd be appropriate for dinner?>The Speaker isn't sure. Silk tastes weird.Also>YesOffer second hearts to everybody there! The dignitaries, the other diners, the wait staff, the guards, that spy in the corner, everybody gets what evolution failed to give them!
>>1331500>Yes (Write in)I think we should give them some fancy fish. Maybe do some research to figure out what this Ambassador's favorite fish is (hopefully we're able to do that), and supply it in large quantities.Also, we may want to consider giving the Valen another gift. For example, we could tell them what we know about the Mirage. The Valen are shrewd enough they won't waste the fact, but more importantly it will mean they are obligated to provide us with equally valuable information or be seen as beggars (at least in Valen culture). Forcing them to give us political backing or stuff we can use against the Union through diplomatic "gifting" could be a good idea. That may be something to debate/discuss later, though.
>>1331530I second the chucklefuck offer. Designer organs are probably really expensive to them, but to us are barely worth the biomass they are grown from. Lets throw the wealth around!
>>1331527It depends entirely on the organization. If he really wants to he might be able to have it classified on a need to know basis, and only the Grand Marshal needs to know.
>>1331500>Other"Do you have any suggestions?">Yes (write in)>>1331517>>1331518>A hive plushie of our insurance mascot for Hiveco, the best mascot in the galaxy.
>>1331500YesSome kind of food. Fish? Nectar? Whatever those guys eat.
>>1331500>Yes (Leviathan stake) Those huge things we found the first aquatic world we colonized.
>>1331530Do we know how many hearts a Valen has actually.
>>1331549You mean the one from that union world?Actually maybe we can give them Raligha fish? we've never checked the oceans so maybe QD can write something fun.
>>1331553We never managed to get our hands at one. We did see a corpse in the secret lab on gemini but he had his mind in other matters.
>>1331500>>Yes (write in)A giant mushroom?They know about fungusworld.>>1331530Give all the humans free surgery coupons! The Valen will be jealous.I mean we haven't studied Valen so we can't improve them...yet.
>>1331553Never dissected them so no.
>>1331568To be fair, it's pretty fucking easy for us to improve the Valen given our number of thinkers and utter mastery of biotech.
>>1331553>>1331566>>1331568>>1331573All we need to know is that they are inefficiently designed in comparison to superior Hive genetics, and Hive designer organs are the best they're ever gonna get.
>>1331562Was is a Union world? We do have the genetics of it and a citadel right above us. I think we can clone some leviathan and cut it in stakes.
>>1331549Crab meat from Leeland might be better than admitting we have a source on Huron.
>>1331568That reminds me, let's offer them a deal while we dine, whoever gives us a valen to dissect first will get 5% off for any augmentation.Obviously they'll send us someone with a high dept which is why we'll takes his memories first then clone him.
>>1331578Tottaly forgot about the crabs. Let's do it then.
You know whatWhy don't we bring all the fucking suggestions?
>>1331580>then clone himWhat, to use as a test subject back on Leeland?
>>1331580You sure they'll let us do that? I'm not sure if we should discuss dissecting corpses while we dine, might ruin their appetites.
>>1331530Yeah, we might be able to discuss that eventually. I'm sure we can offer improvements to the Valen. I'd rather offer that in person once we've already met with the ambassador/are meeting with the ambassador, but we could offer it out the door and see what the Valen offer in response.
>>1331546K for reminders The Cw are decentralized with much power being held by oligarchs, ex that inbred family with a system as their personal fiefdom So the strength of the CW comes from what is willing to provided by these same oligarchs While he holds a high position he must balance out the factions and provide favors when needed to get his agenda fulfilled Now given our impact in the CW and how many factions will be watching our actions given what we just did in the union and bit of info about our motives, goals and tech will be in epic demand by these power players And once word this meeting with magnus leaks out, and it will every powerful fuck in the CW will be demanding him to tell them what we said and will provide stick or carrot to gain it And if he doesn't tell anyone he risks the support that keeps him in his position, so he will share this meeting with certain close supporters to keep the status que and verify our claims Such as the sikh admiral our speaker is accompanying and that russian chief egghead/spook
>>1331586>Begin gifting them all of the Hive merchandise we've made for Valen consumption.
>>1331590No, it's to give the valen back so we don't get loaded with a high dept.>>1331593You're rightAfter desert then
>>1331576>Was is a Union world?>was the world we had to sneak into with cloaked corvettes and conceal ourselves under the ocean a Union world?
>>1331599Except the hive plushie
>>1331608Why not the plushie? Surely they'll love them with their... aquatic anatomy!>>1331601What does dept stand for in this case?
>>1331598There is a massive division between the military junta that 'rules' the Commonwealth and the civilian planetary governments that run everything locally.They have no say in how the admirals run things at all, and their rebellions are quashed regularly when they fail to pay their taxes.
>>1331613You think unionThe oligarchs are the admirals and they control both military and civilian
>>1331620>You think unionNo.>The oligarchs are the admiralsNo.
>>1331612>we've made for Valen consumption.^This is the bit i disagree with.>>1331612>What does dept stand for in this case?Some character said in some thread that if the valen ever found out that the union kidnapped another valen the worst they would do is force the union to adopt the dead valens dept. This gave me the idea that valen give dissection subjects to the other factions just so they can use the subjects huge amount of dept.
>>1331625Yes we were told that Which is why it was impossible for Magnus to rein in those nobles who took the bait to attack the union
>>1331627Do you not know how to spell debt.
>>1331633Think like a 3rd world country where becoming an officer requires personal power, connections and money and doesn't require actually skills neededThere still are skilled admirals but it isnt the best of systems
>>1331652But that's the union.
>>1331635>>1331640Oh. I was worried that I missed some important plot detail of something all Valens had. Maybe I should've highlighted the word I meant instead?>>1331627Oh. I meant consumption as usage for consumerism, not something like edible plushies. Although, now that I think of that I'm tempted that we should start making some.
>>1331633You're way too easy to recognize in every thread. You constantly misconstrue things and think the Valen worship the crystals or some shit too, right?The Commonwealth deals with rebellions all the time. Their response is to crush them, not capitulate to them.Disobedience is the exception, not the rule, and a single conversation no matter how juicy to the xenosociologists is not going to spark a massive rebellion.
>>1331668but plushies are friends not food.
>>1331660No the union does not give the admirals so much over all powerThat why their inner council was also made up of a combination of senators, spooks and bureaucrats who could not wield direct military power>>1331675I never said anything about rebellion, I said other admirals would want to know what was said and were willing to offer him carrot or stick to learn Stop trying to put words in my mouth
>>1331676Of course, the best Hive Pals any non-Hive organism could ask for! Are there any Valens that are into vore? Maybe we could make some for those type of people.
>>1331690Let's not and say we didn't and the particular quantum thinker who suggested so has been recycled.
>>1331686The example you gave for how the Grand Marshal depends on the approval and consent of the oligarchs was the prince rebelling. That was a rebellion. It was his stupid, vengeful rebellion against orders not to attack.He didn't have a carrot or a stick to use to try and get his way, and nobody has a stick bigger than Magnus's, since he's the guy on the top of the military hierarchy. If the Grand Marshal wants to classify something, he can. Everyone below him can either obey and leave it, or try and rebel. And it isn't really something worth rebelling over.
>>1331709You wouldn't want to cater to Valen deviants? We could keep their secret between us.
>>1331715I'm not sure it's deviancy when it's completely mainstream and they've bred species without a sense of fear to be picked up and consumed alive without a struggle.
>>1331711The prince never rebelled anon He was able to do his own thing and Magnus never could stop him without costing political capital and thus Magnus was forced to back the princes action It means Magnus lost on that decision and couldn't dictate things to his agenda Magnus is not all powerful, he needs the other admirals/oligarchs support to get things done and they will demand information
>>1331721True, but what counts as deviancy for Valens then?We can keep the same suggestion and use it as some sort of designer gift if something in the vein is common.
>>1331723>He was able to do his own thing and Magnus never could stop him without costing political capitalNo, he was unable to stop him because he was unable to stop him, because he was in a warp bubble, and had a head start, and it was physically impossible to stop him from his insubordination.
>>1331726No, The prince had his own personal fleet and could do with it as he wishedAll magnus could do was hope to delay, not to stop him since he cant strip that fleet off him
>>1331726>physically impossible to stop him from his insubordination.Maybe he just needed to believe in the power of friendship to stop the insubordination from happening?
>>1331500"The Hive has prepared several appropriate gifts of nutrients in inefficient forms." Your speaker chirps as several works scrambly out from within the hive carrying various forms of fish and a large crab carved into assorted pieces."You're not supposed to be fishing, you know." Lee says. "How'd you get all that in here?""They were grown." Your speaker says. "They are simple creatures and are easy to replicate." Lee just shrugs as the workers carry the various animal carcases out and begin to make their way to the Valen embassy with Lee and your speaker.It is quite literally next door, however a number of air cares hover nearby as they touch down, each being loaded up with crates of materials and various puppets and pale ceph. A much larger vehicle rumbles its way across the street and down the road as the air cars begin to take off. "There's antovatius or... whatever his name is." Lee says. The correct pronunciation, recorded perfectly from the moment he himself said it replays in his mind as he rolls his eyes. "Right, whatever, you have to admit they have weird names. I don't know why they can't just translate the meaning like the Valen do themselves." He says, and waves a greeting to the dignitary as he stands by the air car."I was so delighted to hear you wanted to visit this evening!" He says. "I made preparations, and my superior, Shimmering in Somber Pools has already left. Please, allow me to offer you a ride there.""Ahuh." Lee says blandly. "You're already starting to try and rack up the points here." Anton raises his hands."No no, really, a number of dignitaries were in town, and we had arranged a meeting. If anything, I am only attempting to introduce you to the movers and shakers of high Valen society." He says with a smile. "And, perhaps Somber Pools may be attempting to maneuver your visit's timing. If you could put in a good word...""Okay, I can see the angle here now." Lee says, looking to your drone. "Diplomat wants to get some credit for introducing some wealthy clan leaders to the Hive. Not sure if it's insulting but... anyways we brought you some fish, and an alien... crab thing. I dunno what to call it, it doesn't have a pronounceable name but it's from the fungal world I was stuck on." Anton clasps his hands."I'll make sure it gets to the right people, thank you tremendously. Please, let the help take it and we can be leaving." Anton says as he opens the passenger door to a rather luxurious air car with the press of a button. A pale ceph encased in a control armature curls an eye stalk out the window with some impatience., it's almost translucent skin painted over with various symbols and decorative colors.Cont.
>>1331742Oh this looks good, maybe we get to see a ceph smuggler from the ceph homeworld
Have accoured to you guys that Magnus could simply lie about anything we said? If they asked him he could simply say>The hive is enemy of the Ceph's and aparently the Ceph's raids in the expanse and the union was because the Union was messing with the same tech the Ceph use. The Union managed to call the ceph attetion by tempering with such tech.
>>1331753>Have accoured to you guys that Magnus could simply lie about anything we said?Do you realize believe that Magnus would just go out there, just go out there and lie to politicians on the board?
>>1331742God, these whales are relentless. Anybody else want to start a space war with these guys to loot their tech and gene sequence?
>>1331733The prince ran the Imperial Fleet, and the fleet was under the authority of the upper military. That he led his underlings in insubordination against his orders doesn't automatically mean that he can literally do anything with zero consequences.We don't know what consequences if any he's suffered yet. If he was truly free to do what he wanted he wouldn't have tried to ask permission from Magnus first.
>>1331753At this point the argument/discussion has shifted on how much power Magnus actually has then about what was said
>>1331761Enough for his name to mean "great" in Latin?
>>1331757Well they do appreciate a good war.And they've just heard how we want to take Aral from their cold clammy claws.
>>1331758Exactly the prince balanced how much capital he would lose by going against Magnus and decided it was minor when compared to what he wanted/gained Magnus may be able to get back at the prince but he will have to take account how much capital the prince and his family gained during the war
>>1331748I wonder what the pale ceph think of the hive's crest and if they reconize it as the symbol for their gods "demonic" race.
>>1331771Coil memories of his home-world was when? They may have succeeded in erasing all knowledge from the masses
>>1331771>>1331776If they do, cover up the Hive's crest with some curtains we found nearby?
>>1331782Where is the crest exactly? Isn't it in the speakers skin?
Coil age is what about 200 of human years?
>>1331766Space War, Space War, SPACE WAR!
>>1331768>decided it was minor when compared to what he wanted/gainedThe thing is, what he gained was literally priceless: avenging his dead brother.So what he stood to lose might well have been getting court martialed. We don't know yet.
>>1331791No, that his family personal fleet, Magnus would not be able to do that without help from members of the prince family Which is why that family such a pain in the ass cause the got there own personal mini empire
>>1331797>own personal mini empireDamn near anyone in the Commonwealth who's 'important' has one of those. We keep talking about it like it's a solid unitary state but given what we've seen it's more fractious than the Union. There's just less bureaucracy duct-taping everything together.
>>1331813Yep, pretty much That how oligarchy is in the end, the divide turf into their own personal fiefdoms and it becomes a pain in the ass to organize them
>>1331771>I wonder what the pale ceph think of the hive's crestThey can't read the holy language. It's like Latin these days. Coil was specially trained.
>>1331819Yeah. It's funny in a way, because eventually another specially trained ceph is going to find out about the Hive's existence and they'll notice what he did. Whether they're on their homeworld or bumming around Union space. Inevitably.
>>1331818I'm hesitant to even call it oligarchy. It's closer to a bunch of genuinely independent nations whose sole common factor is "violently not part of the Union". Like the NATO to the Union's Warsaw Pact, except every member thinks it's America.
>>1331826Not inevitably, the records are already memory-holed.
>>1331742Lyle checks his weapon, disassembling it in seconds before reassembling it, and placing it into his holster. Workers carry crates of supplies onto the ship as he looks over the rest of his gear."The hell are Huey and Dewey?" Lyle shouts. Jackob simply looks about and shrugs."Last I saw they were, uh... not sure. They just sorta scamper around like a couple of hound dogs." Lyle quickly moves to the ship, shoving several workers off the cargo ramp as he makes his way inside. Jackob and Dillon quickly follow."Everyone spread out and start smelling." Lyle says. "I haven't given those two chucklefucks and order in a while and they tend to get up to shit when left alone.""Whoa!" Dillon shouts. "You sure they're not dead? It smells like a dead animal over here!" Lyle and Jackob rush over to hall where Lyle sniffs the air, slowly following the scent to a storage closet. He opens the door and the two twin flop out to the ground in a slush of mucus."God damnit!" Lyle shouts, giving one of them a firm kick as he looks over the piles of empty chemical bottles. Jackob picks up one of the bottles, holding his nose firmly as Dillon dry heaves and quickly leaves, the label simply reading "Acetic acid"."They drink this stuff?" Jackob asks as the twins wiggle on the floor emitting a clacking noise of laughter."Yea, it's a powerful narcotic. The protein processors use it as a fuel so I have to keep a stock of it pure, but these shitheads always manage to find it. It's sorta like alcohol to them but it causes a kind of synesthesia, like, they see colors and taste sounds and shit. I wouldn't mind, bit it also makes them smell like shit since they secrete it out the skin.""So what, do we wait for them to get better or-""Na just leave 'em here for now. It wears off fast enough and we won't need them until later anyways. Coil can get us by that Valen station unseen and they should be good to go by then." Jackob backs away as he continues to hold his nose, and several workers pass him and pick up the twins, peeling some of the dried ooze from them like tree sap as they carry them to the bathroom."Hey don't get that shit anywhere!" Lyle says. "That smells a bitch to get out." More workers come in behind them, each carrying piles of supplies and equipment. Lyle looks over it all at a glance. "Coil!" He shouts to the intercom above. "We're good to launch, double time and sneaky."Cont.
>>1331859huh fancy for vinegar Good with fish and chips
>>1331859Aren't the twins parasited? Does that mean we're tasting sounds now?
>>1331873I think they are, or they should be. Technically we could probably help them get the "toxin" out of their system fast enough to accompany Lyle and Co. Although it would make them smell significantly worse. However, we could make Lyle and Jackob not smell anything. Dillon would be shit out of luck, though, since he lacks a friendly spine-pal to help out with smelly aliens.
>>1331882Man no need to wreck their buzz man Dont be a killjoy
>>1331885Do you think our parasites couldn't find an equally interesting way to simulate a high for them?
>>1331859The cell door slides open with a quick scraping noise and the puppet guards drop Devon to the floor with a thud before leaving, the door sealing with a quick scraping noise again as it slams shut."You were in bad shape. I figure they went easy on you." Decker says. Devon strains to see through the mirage of vibrant colors floating in his vision and hears only a distant murmur of a voice over the loud ringing in his ears. He struggles to right himself and falls back against the wall to examine his surroundings. It is a small room, a metal cube roughly seven feet on all sides. A bed and toilet, both suited for human use, are strapped to the wall on one side, although the bed is little more than a metal plate wrapped in thin plastic. A sink is built into the top of the toilet, and a reflective metal panel is bolted above it as a mirror. The door is a thick metal mesh of crisscrossing steel beams that look out into a hallway. Decker sits on his bed across the hall in his own cell."Let me guess, name rank and number, right? Yea, bet you feel like you got kicked in the head." He says. "I blabbed, of course, so maybe they didn't go all in for you just yet, but don't worry, you'll have seconds, I'm sure.""Where's Anderson?" Devon mutters, several muted curses following."Who knows.""I'm gonna kill that bastard.""Hey! That's the spirit!" Decker replies. "Your buddies have been sleeping all day. You're the first person to actually talk to me in here.""Shut the fuck up." You hear from further down the hall. The voice is cold, snapping out like the crack of a whip as Grey leans over in her bunk. "We're awake, but they're recording.""Well of course they're recording." Decker replies casually. "We'll have audio and visual surveillance round the clock, up, close, and personal. Not that I care, I don't work for the Union, I just I can get some sweet deal for ratting you spooks out and maybe adding on my own made up charges, just to help them get that much extra in reparations. For the right price, obviously." He looks up to a random corner in his cell and gives a wink. "Till then, I don't see any reason I can't try to spark a conversation, even if you guys wanna be as lively as an oil painting. Speaking of talkative types, anyone seen that big guy? Or the squat? Did they get caught yet even? Do you think there's a chance the big fish didn't know about them?""Shut up!"cont.
>>1331893>A sink is built into the top of the toiletH-how would they use the toilet?
>>1331897WHALES are cheap bastards
>>1331897I assume it's built into the cistern of the toilet itself, rather than the actual waste bowl. But I dunno, space engineering can get pretty weird.
>>1331898I still don't understand.How would you use the sink with the toilet in the way? do you just use it from the side?
>>1331901Straddle the bowl
>>1331901There's any number of ways, but that would be one. You could lean over, stand with a leg on either side, no wrong answer.
>>1331893Won't the Valen have a surprise when Decker 'suddenly remembers' he emailed a couple mercs to bust him out when they were stapling his brain stem.
>>1331897>>1331898>>1331899>>1331900>>1331901>>1331902>>1331904Prison conditions, folks.
Wait, why is everyone concerned over a toilet over everything else in that post?
>>1331908Because we're going to smuggle in stuff from that toilet-sink, duh.
>>1331911We do have flys in there so its a possibility
Did we manage to sneak a Theseus instance in?
>>1331925Hope so, the whole operations hinges on him
>>1331922So the prisoners will discover a fly in the toilet bowl?>>1331925If we didn't, we could with the toilet-sink smuggling?
>>1331926I also hope so, especially since Michael was probably thrown into a pod due to his injuries, we better erase those.
>>1331893The aircar dips out of the traffic and begins to circle as it descends. It is a rather obviously expensive model, fully capable of vertical landings, and it glides into a landing spot in front of a rather large building. Despite the chaos of the surrounding city, a moderate crowd gathers into the entrance as armed guards hold a constant vigil. You feel the crowd's attention on you as your drone makes its way with Lee into the building, where a number of servants stand ready, quickly heading off each guest and leading them away. One of them approaches you and Lee, nodding to each of you."Mr. Librae, and guests, the ambassador has already settled in, allow me to lead you to your seats." He says. The building itself is a large, ornate tower, much of it filled with water tanks where you can see aquatic life of all kinds swimming freely, as well as the occasional ceph. The tanks reach above, into the ceiling, and there are large panels beneath the floor leading to more of the labyrinthine tanks and pipes. Near the center of the tower is a massive pillar of water, where several valen float within, leading off into varying pipes set along the sides. An elevator leads you up several floors, where a large, open area has been cleared of the various dignitaries and corporate bigwigs dining bellow, and instead holds a single, isolated chamber sealed off from the rest of the floor. A fine, and large, table is set up across from a valen floating in an opening in the floor, where the water of the transport pipes below has been exposed. Its massive clawed arms sink into a set of massive rubber cushions like a kind of giant scratching post. Several eyes pivot to you as it brings its massive mouth, a circular tunnel of teeth, flopping out of the water with a splash and drops it upon a small, slightly raised platform padded with leather and conformed to the shape of its maw. The tendril filled inner jowls unfold like a budding flower of toothed flesh as the ambassador relaxes, and it greets your arrival with the sound of a freight train's horn from its shell followed by a quick clattering of internal bones. Its great talons raise up, and then tap, as lightly as possible, near a pair of seats several meters from its maw, leaving marks in the metal table before resting back on the cushions with a gush of air."Anitianus, you have arrived." The speakers surgically embedded within its shell say. Several more panels begin to open in the floor to the water, and three other valen breach the surface, their shells spraying water as they clear their pipes. "Please introduce our guests." Anton bows courteously to the ambassador."This is Ryan Lee, representative of the Red Hive, and the Hive Speaker." He says as he walks you to your seats. Your speaker sits in its spot, next to the ambassador as the chair moulds itself slowly to adjust to conform to its carapace, while Lee sits next to your drone, between it and Anton.cont.
>>1331922>We do have flys in thereNo we don't.
>>1331939Ah excellent, the Valen clearly have refined seating sensibilities. This must be a fellow superior species.
>>1331939>scene switching back and forth between Lyle's mission, Aral prisoners, and Valen diplomatThis can only go well.
>>1331939The couch is an enemy, It is trying to take samples of us!!!
>>1331945Oh no.It's a ramp up.WHAT DID WE FORGET?
>>1331952DID WE FORGET TO TURN OFF THE STOVE?
>>1331952there's still The Thing being questionably contained on Path
>>1331952They know we're out to conquer Aral. Duh. This isn't news.
>>1331954That's still hiding in the walls and vents since it likely escaped only a few hours or even minutes ago in game due to how wonky keeping track of interstellar time zones is
>>1331954>questionably containedThe only way to contain that shit now is SCP Foundation's "nuclear self-destruct".
>>1331956We can no longer tell the time or space Are we far to gone?
>>1331961Honestly, their base may have a nuclear self destruct option. They did nuke their own base earlier to keep our escaped drones from escaping. Maybe they learned from that and just internalized the nukes this time. The question is, if they do have a nuclear self-destruct option, do we want to advocate the Union using it?
>>1331939"This is Sundered Reef in the Storm." Anton says, pointing to the first of the three valen. "He owns the United Banking Union, the largest trade union currently operating in human space. This is Reaching Claws in Twisting Tides, Prime Negotiator of the Banking Clans." He adds as he points to the next valen in the line, and then the last. "And this is Petals of Blood Floating in the Tide, owner of the Merchant Armada and CEO of the Helik Thar Thuruud Ivina. I suppose that would translate to... private mercenary army, although that lacks much of the tactful subtleties of the trade language.The three erupt into a cacophony of noise as the ambassador and the three valen exchange greetings and various backhanded compliments you cannot fully translate."Accept my offer!" Somber Pools says firmly as a number of waiters arrive with piles of food atop various ornate platters each carried by two men shoulder to shoulder, and they slide it to the table. Each one is filled with a pile of some manner of raw sea creature. You can recognize several of the piles to be razor trout, gutted and their fins removed, while another platter is covered in some kind of bizarre spider-like organism. They move slightly, as if dazed, one slowly clawing its way off the plate where you can glimpse a better look at its form. It's body is arranged with seven legs, with four clawed arms hanging in front around its mouth, where a bundle of tentacles hang out like a beard. the tentacles writhe with increasing panic, each one being covered in round, pulsating glands as the animal makes a soft gurgling noise and its body's carapace shakes like a rattle, several finned flaps undulating along the sides of what looks like a spider's spinneret that begins to secrete a thick ink. The animal shuffles along the table, flopping off the pile of its dazed counterparts as a tendril from one of the valen's maws whips out, the end opening with a small, additional mouth ringed with teeth which latch onto the creature's carapace with a loud pop of suction, and draws it into its mouth, releasing it as the rows of rapidly spinning circular jaws send it sliding back behind rows of forearm sized teeth, its body disintegrating as the mouth undulates, swallowing the meter tall aquatic spider's remains before another tendril whips out and plucks another, pulling it squeaking in panic to follow the first."We accept. You have spoken of the aliens. We see only one here, its station and standing is unknown, as are their morals." One of them says. An eye swivels to your drone. "Your name is Speaker. It is a short name that lacks poetry, but we accept its meaning. Have you any offers to accept?">Write inAs the vlalen's shell blasts with an orchestral symphony human wait staff arrive, standing by Lee and Anton."Does your patron have any biological requirements for the meal?" She asks, Lee shakes his head."They can eat anything, more or less, including sheet metal."
>>1331966>nuclear self destruct>for a lab that occupies a very small number of floors in a skyscraper>in the middle of a densely populated city
>>1331971It is the Union, though. Their stupidity knows no bounds. And if they weren't prepared to nuke it they shouldn't have been studying things there that in the past required a nuking to contain.
>>1331969>Have you any offers to accept?"Is that a weird turn of phrase.We're not selling anything right now.
>>1331969So, a general, a major influences in the union and some one representing the banking clans?Interesting lineup So bullshit our way through? or since they prob got a transcript of what happen in the meeting go straight to the matter?
>>1331969I guess we can offer, in exchange for one lucky Valen submitting to study of their live biology, we can implant some improvements to their biology.Humans have only one heart, can you believe it?
>>1331969We have not come here to make deals, we have come to observe how you make them. Although if we could get a single sample of every creature you have brought for dinner here in a doggy bag, we would very much appreciate it.
>>1331969Your information on the Void for theirs
>>1331991Will you stop your "Valen religion means they must be uplifted by crystals" memeing.
>>1331978It might be related to Somber pools? She invited the others so they are introduced to us so she might have offered a deal to us sometime before?>>1331986>"We also have two hearts.""(Sobbing)Why does nature hate so many?"
>>1331990This is kinda small-time for this talk.We can buy any fancy edibles for our embassy later without coming off as weird in diplo talks.
>>1331978I think it's for them to accept.Basically "What do you want", but their way of thinking about things inherently assumes that anything we propose would be couched in terms of how it benefits the person you're talking to. So instead of "what do you want", it's "what deals/opportunities are you offering me".
>>1331969>>Write inPerhaps we do. It must have come to your attention that we have requested the expanse region be released from Union control. We are aware you are building a gateway in the planet you call Tannhauser, which we call Kerik Ashka. It is the ancient homeworld of our loyal allies the Skyl. At this time the Valen have proven more intelligent regarding the usage of this region than the humans, so we have no intention of requesting your removal from that space at this time. Indeed, we would like to propose a joint governing relationship there.But enough about us. Obviously you have seen the Hive are ancient beings of great power and influence. Do you have any offers for us to accept which we may consider?
>>1331969Unless this was actually a writein for what our drone decides to eat?Like the unrecognized species first.
We should also get Liz in this, we need some help insulting the valens.>>1331993*"We also have one heart."
>>1332000No no, don't, let's let them bring up the Aral thing first if at all.First, let's try and wait to see what shit hits the fan there live, because there's something we don't know here yet.
>>1331999Oh, maybe now is the time for dissection talk?
>>1331999Good point. I think you've got them pretty well worked out.What do we want in terms of how it would benefit them, eh? Hmmm...>"The Hive has a great mastery of biology, as you know. As part of our first contact with the Valen we would be more than happy to provide any number of improvements to assist your biological processes and function. At least, for a certain number of limited lucky individuals."
>>1331969>Write in"Various military conflicts are reshaping business opportunities in this space - destroying some and opening others. We want to see where our interests align so we can all better profit.Have you had any business dealings with the Scavengers? We have found them to be invariably hostile. If this is the case for you as well, they represent a threat to our mutual interests, and we would benefit from cooperation."We could also bring up the Obsidian Hive, expanding our products offered for trade, and their opinion of our claim in the Expanse. Stuff about their technology is very sensitive, especially their gate tech, and can't be brought up right away.
>>1332008We should have a Large Bio-tank up on the hive ship in orbit to dip a Valen into.
>>1332010Ehh, I don't know if the Commonwealth would be interested in their help. Everything they do comes with unforeseen conditions attached, and they same will certainly apply to us. What do we have or can do in return for any of these things? Because that's what you have to keep in mind when dealing with them.
>>1331999I guess we could offer them a limited time opportunity to see how effective hive bio tech and implants can be across multiple applications.
>>1332010>Have you had any business dealings with the Scavengers? We have found them to be invariably hostile. If this is the case for you as well, they represent a threat to our mutual interests, and we would benefit from cooperation."They haven't, the scav fleet is in the direct south of us, bordering the expanse and the commonwealth, their space is all they way northeast.This too >>1332015
>>1332010Scavs aren't a threat to Valen that they have never even attacked.
>>1332015The Valen may not want to share anything with the Commonwealth as far as resisting the scavengers, but maybe they would with us. Or maybe they wouldn't with us either, but it doesn't hurt to ask.I'm pitching the Scav thing as a mutual interest, were any information or aid sharing would benefit us both. >>1332016Stuff like biological tech would be an exchange for things that don't otherwise benefit them. Got any big favors in mind?>>1332018>>1332019If we already know the Scavs have never attacked them, figuring out why would be the next step. Did they buy them off?
>>1332010The Valen aren't worried about the Scavs. It's not really a money making opportunity for them. I guess that we may offer the Scav tech and they'd be interested, but I'd rather give them scraps of our own technology (and hopefully get an important Valen in one of our medical tanks!!)They may be worried about Nowhere (since it occurred in their space), so we can talk about that possibly. We could hint that the OQ/Ceph may be drawn to it. But I'm very wary of talking too much about the Void God and associates at a first contact meeting with a bunch of (albeit extremely powerful) CEO's and bureaucrats.
>>1332020>If we already know the Scavs have never attacked them, figuring out why would be the next step. Did they buy them off?You can't be serious.
>>1332020>figuring out why would be the next step.They are geographically remote.
>>1331969I guess since it's not really dealmaking and strictly offers of "gifts" and generosity to put them in debt, we should instead say it like.Hive give you extra hearts! Improvements for guests and one +1 each! Visit hive ship in orbit for free installation.
>>1332020>figuring out why would be the next step. Did they buy them off?>>1332023Although I guess in space the term might be. 'astrographically' or something.
>>1332023Yeah, I misread>>1332018>>1332022Oops.
>>1331969>Your name is Speaker. It is a short name that lacks poetry, but we accept its meaning.Man those fuckers are just asking for our thouight-into-words name.
>>1332029"Lee prefers to call speaker 'Junior.'"
>>1331969Huh their names are rather foreboding
>>1332020I would hope to run scans on them and hopefully provide cybernetics to one of the powerful Valen as a "gift". I don't want to permanently give up our tech just yet, but offering them personal benefits may result in someone taking up our offer.We can provide gifts now and bank favors for later/when we know them better.
>>1331969>Write in"Actually my name is (utters a string of clicks and chirps) but Lee prefers to call me Junior."
>>1332037But this is ambassador, not speaker. This one is vastly improved over (incomprehensible clicks and chirps).
>>1331969>>1332013>>1332006>>1332035So... it looks like we're kind of tending towards offering them a second heart and augments for free as an opening "gift" for them. Does that sound about right to people?>>1332037That could be funny. Alternately we could come up with some big elaborate name for the Red Hive (give ourselves more titles than Daenerys Targaryen) and see how they react.
>>1332038(incomprehensible clicks and chirps) went shopping for some personal goodies.
>>1332041I would also vote against this. We know they're toying with similar biomechanical augments so we don't want to give them anything to reverse engineer and thus impact our potential monopoly for augmentations that seamlessly integrate into the users biological systems. I say we just stick to polite conversation until we can learn a bit about what sort of deals they have for us. They are fighting like mad among themselves just for a chance to trade with us, let them come to us with offers before giving them anything.
>>1332038All the speakers are or should be just ambassadors now. There's no way we'd be deploying one without a moderate relay....What does the moderate relay pick up about the four Valens' intentions here, anyway?
>>1332044>they're toying with similar biomechanical augmentsWhat, moreso than humans.
>>1332045The talk page says both the speaker and ambassador design have only basic relays, which is why i wanted to do >>1329851
>>1332044My guess is we still have way, way, way more advancement on the biotech tech-tree than they have. They are probably still very far from immortality and Hive technology is notoriously hard to reverse engineer. They may be able to reverse engineer some stuff with time, but not on this quest's timescale. It will, however, allow the Valen to think they got the upper hand in the deal, which helps us.We would also benefit from such a deal from getting to brain-scan and possibly parasite an important Valen (although doing a parasite would be risky, but the Valen may be able to refuse others remove it for their own reverse engineering if he/she is powerful enough). We'd also make progress on our Valen speaker design.
>>1332048The talk page isn't canon.
>>1332051Then where is the canon ambassador design?
>>1332029>>1332031>Thoughts-into-wordsThat actually sounds like a fitting name for the Speakers and Ambassadors
>>1332052Theoretically, in the pastebin.But since QD hasn't touched the design pastebin since July 2015, you'll find it in the threads. Where the votes happened.>>>/tg/41644365>>>/tg/42206008
>>1332055pretty sure that date is when he made the pastebin
>>1332058Except he made it in 2014.
>>1332058>>1332059Hover over the (edited) to see the date of last edit.
>>1332055What are those links? i can't find them in the archive.
>>1332062use 4plebs archive, they're too old for 4chan's built-in.
>>1332048The speaker and ambassador designs aren't even on the wiki talk page. There's a speaker 'variant' with moth fur, and a bunch of entirely unrelated designs for 'human ambassador' and 'valen ambassador'. None of them made it into the quest.
>>1332064Ah, i see.Why the hell didn't the other anons know our speakers had moderate relays? If they told me that i could have voted for levitation when killinger did his trick in parliament.>>1332066Is there any reliable place where i can find our drone designs and technologies without having to go thread diving?
>>1332072Again, it should be the pastebin, but...
>>1331969"Just, uh, bring lots of sugary stuff. Honey especially, but anything sweet works for them." Lee says quickly as your drone watches some manner of pill-shaped creature covered in simple eyes squirm across the table, leaving a trail of slime as it slides along like a slug. Your drone brings up its claws and pauses for a moment, before pouncing on the creature and dragging it back to its seat, ripping into it with its mandibles as it quickly devours it. The eyes of several valen look to each other as they focus the majority on you."Your discussions with the Union give us hesitation." Petals of Blood says. "We hold concern for our promised space and our current investments in the area. The Union has defaulted on their promise of protection.""their agreement is canceled and we are left unpaid, and we do not trust their account to uphold their promise in either regard." Sundered Reef continues. "We must mitigate our loss with a new contract. The Guild of Transportation is concerned, as are we all." They loot to each other with obvious concern, their minds flickering between a number of vague images and emotions. You sense a vague sense of urging between them, and then a wave of agreement. The ambassador makes a sharp sucking sound as its maw's petals of flesh ripple in what could be considered similar to a human nodding the head in respectful agreement, and its eyes pivot to you."What is your business in this space? We were promised assets; mining rights and orbital traffic rights. We paid great sums for this and cannot trust the Union to uphold.">Make a demand (write in)>Offer them an agreement (write in)>Other
>>1332087Well, shit.We don't want to overplay our hand. This is some kind of ploy of theirs. They want to see our cards.Which means they have a card to play they're keeping up their sleeve.
>>1332087>OtherPlay stupid again? or just have the speaker eat and ignore themProb not work but could agitate them into giving an opening
>>1332093And were going to need every mineral asset to provide material for us, the unity and heretic econs
>>1332087>>OtherWe could roll to perform an active Psionic reading...right?
>>1332087Honestly it sounds like we have them by the gills. We might be able to ask anything we want (minus Gate tech of course)I'm just to tired to think of what to demand
Can we point out that the gate in that area is going to open trading venues with us, so its not a lost investment?
>>1332099Gate Tech is the one thing we want, too.And a roll for psionic imprinting could make them agree to an outlandish deal. But they don't have the authority of the Guild of Transportation here.
>>1331971You don't think the Thing escaping into a populated city would be more destructive than a little nuking?
>>1332100Other then tech the wont be any real back and forth trade between us And tech is a one time thing in general once we get our hands on samplesWith us being china and them being America and they aren't going to let themselves become in debt to us
>>1332087>>Make a demand (write in)You will not interfere with the hive's claim on Tannhauser. Mostly eyeing Petals of Blood there.After the system is secured, then we can discuss a new contract. Not before....We could attempt psionic imprinting to try and seal his agreement to that... he's the one guy with real power here. The owner, not just a representative.
>>1332104At this point the union needs a freaking beating to be honest
>>1332101It sorta sounds like they don't want us to do to them what we are threatening to do to the Union
>>1332109Pretty much That why they have a general in this meeting
>>1332107Although if we do psionic imprinting, we can also say. We think we can make very lucrative contracts. And imprint a sense of believing us when we say that.That would setup for offering immortality later in a more private setting to Mr. Petals.
>>1332087>OtherYou know what? if you want to avoid what happened to the union do the followingDo not screw around with the void Do that and everything will be fine
>>1332113"We don't even know what that means.""Good! You are doing well already!"
>>1332087These guys must have reviewed the footage of what happened at nowhere then
>>1332087>Other"Mining rights to what?"
>>1332108Agreed. While this was almost impossible to anticipate, putting any sort of secret lab in a populated area is pretty high on the list of Bad Ideas. Goes double when mucking about with alien organisms.
>>1332116if there sources are good enough to get the meeting already then there is no way in hell they don't already know why we are pissed at the union
>>1332087>The Union has defaulted on their promise of protection."I mean... Parliament hasn't voted to give up the star system YET has it?
>>1332105They can get profits from the Union getting indebted to Hive massproduction tho.
>>1332116No.>>1332121It was broadcast on Space C-SPAN. Literally voted not to make it secret whatsoever.
>>1332123Valen can see that if they don't abandon the promise, we can take the system anyway.
>>1332123They set the rates on the betsThey already figured were going to trounce the union hard >>1332126Magnus already said he got footage about what happened at nowhere so yeah the whales probably also have it
>>1332129That has literally nothing to do with what's going on right now.
>>1332123It's not clear if they're talking about the Expanse, or what happened at Nowhere. They're probably feeling us out on both matters.
>>1332134uwotm8.The Union surely never promised to protect a dark pocket of nebula in Valen space where debt defaulters and other scum gather.
>>1332133>>1331386>"You mean the incident in deep space. They like to think they can park a high end research facility on Valen space and think it's a secret, but when you're so close to so many pirates and anarchists, someone is going to talk for some credits. I saw footage taken from the local colonies already." He says. "This explains it then." Something begins beeping in the background and he examines some alert on his screen. "I have less than an hour to estimated combat. We should resume this talk at some point, but I at least appreciate your honesty. It's more than your progenitors offered." He says, and he ends the call as alerts begin to sound of incoming enemy fighters and the launching of munitions rocks his office.It the whales, being the merchant/spy is their whole thing so yeah the prob are taking these events in there accounts The just admitted they are afraid of pissing us off like the union did and feeling us out
>>1332141So aka how do we get a deal with these group of heavy armed bugs who just showed up now
>>1332141They didn't admit to anything. They are looking to schmooze their way onto our good side, which definitely implies a fear that we will win.Which again has jack shit to do with Nowhere. They could've looked into it, but there's no reason to think they knew to. Magnus had a big hint from us on where to look, they didn't.
>>1332141And apparently we also need to tell the union to do a better coverup about nowhere
>>1332087>>OtherDo not think you are entitled to know the hive's plans for the world you know as Tanhauser just because we have alerted the Union. When we wish to discuss this with you, you will know it.
>>1332145You know what'd keep pirate lips shut?Adopting them all.
>>1332146The planet is called Aral.
What about if we ask them for unique techs they have?
>>1332144We didn't give a hint to magnus to look there, he had already been spying and we just id what the thing actually was So if magnus had spies watching then the valen sure as hell did Are you playing under the belief that none of the other factions know how to spy or are intelligent?
>>1332087>otherIf we can make a psionic reading, we should.Ask them for details on their previous deal's mining rights as well.We should demand an embassy on their new colony. It would be a good starting point for some corporate espionage on their gate tech.
>>1332153Like my favorite saying from dats says>Rumors and spies are harder to contain than a plague
>>1332155Our official party line is that that planet belongs to us, so they're the ones who should be demanding an embassy on our planet.
I'm so lost as to what these guys want. They speak in such broad terms it's impossible to understand what they want.I guess we can just tell them the Red Hive is not unreasonable in negotiation. A promise of protection, assets, mining rights, orbital traffic, nothing's really off the table. The Hive has no credits, but we are capable provide resources or material goods. I'm not sure what we would want in return. We want Aral, but is that it? And we're just going to mine it and grow stuff on it, right?
>>1332162We're the ones that are going to be mining Aral's rich rich Metals to construct our incredibly-needed ship fleets to destroy the obsidian traitor, s mining rights are totally off the table.
>>1332162Never give commitment on the first date, And this is the first date
>>1332164Is Aral the only thing they are talking about, though?
>>1332168Mining rights anywhere are going to be taking away from Metals income that should be going towards us, so it doesn't really matter much.
>>1332168Maybe, there vague for a reason and its the whales who love there head-games
>>1332162We could probably leverage our terraforming services, assuming they supply the needed raw materials. IIRC our terraforming tech is miles ahead of any other known faction.
>>1332174There's another thing we can offer too, fast ship building.
>>1332173For all we know they may also be referring to any other union core zone they think were taking, not just to the expanse >>1332174Nah, really a waste of resources and time while the wars are heating up
>>1332174We could also offer bioforming, there's not really a faction that can do that. Valen are pretty easygoing about recreational drugs and apparently implants, so there's some chance there.
>>1332176I doubt they want hive ships we directly control, which is the sole kind of ship our ship building is geared towards.
>>1332174Maybe we can create something like a giant cleaning shrimp for Valen hygeine?Probably very popular if they don't eat them instead
>>1332182although after this scene it looks like anything smaller than a human is free game for them
>>1332181>I doubt they want hive ships we directly control, which is the sole kind of ship our ship building is geared towards.Aw shit it is? i thought we could replicate other factions ships ever since we fixed the orphan so i thought if they could give us a design we could build them fleets for a price.
>>1332174They don't seem to have a planet that would benefit from terraforming.
>>1332186Oh we could totally rig up a factory to make ships that other races would be able to use. They'll likely have to be completely made out of metal and plastic though unless they stop at Hive refueling stations for the ships meals
>>1332087Your speaker finishes consuming the strange slug animal, which rather ironically to its appearance contains a tremendous amount of salt, and another line of wait staff arrive, this time leading in a set of harnesses hung from cargo rails on the ceiling, each holding a platter containing a stuffed Wickerfish, you count four in total as the waiters line them up and place them in front of each of the valen. They nervously eye each other and you can feel another bout of confusion and concern between them as Lee hands your speaker a napkin, pantomiming the motions for its use. Your drone examines the cloth, finding it is made of rather soft natural fibers with a low nutrient content, but rich in a number of chemicals and fibres for healthy fur growth, and quickly consumes it as well. The ambassador glances an eye to the others for a moment."Please accept my offer." It says. The others respond quickly in unison."We accept." And their maw tendrils whip out to the wickerfish in front of them. Petals of Blood brings its massive claws into the air and sinks them into the fish, dragging it towards its maw, which unfolds and inverts its toothed rings to cover more of the crisscrossed shell as its teeth spin like rotary blades, slicing into the flesh with a grinding noise as if cutting through aluminium with a chainsaw. Their thoughts of concern remain, emanating from them in waves like an ocean tide.Reaching Claws sends an eye towards Anton, and its mind emanates a sense of grave urgency, as if begging for attention, and its claw slaps the table, shaking the plates with more force than was likely intended, and Anton jumps, then quickly checks his datapad sewn into his sleeve.cont.
QD is kill
>>1332190"Prime Negotiator Reaching Claws in Twisting Tides is trying to say that the combined valen clans, including the Guild of Transportation have placed a very great amount of personal wealth into the investments made in the expanse so far, including a number of the Union's civilian centers. Bedrock is a rather large center of trade, and not many of the mining operations in the region exist without some valen investment funds. Much of this has been accepted as lost with the Hive's demands, but if not dealing with the Union, we would like to deal with you. The Tannhauser system is currently a place of great economic importance, for the both of us." He checks some numbers on his datapad quickly, glancing up to the valen for a moment, looking at some facial twitch you are not trained to notice among the chaos of the valen maw, and he looks back to you. "We would be willing to offer taxes in a form of your preference. I assume you are at least partially familiar with the energy credit, and should you wish to adopt it for interstellar trade we could provide a very sizable source of income using the rich ore deposits in the belts of that system, not to mention gate fees for usage." He says.>Demand a price for the use of the system's spaceborne resources and the presence of the gate>Make a counteroffer>Change the subject>Other
>>1332193>>Change the subjectMake them sweat. It's so beautiful.
>>1332193>OtherStare and let them squirm so more The first offer is bullshit and remember how we negotiated the price for our generators we sold
>>1332195Man we were burnt that poor whale alive with the insults we gave it
>>1332198We need more insults.
>>1332190>Reaching Claws sends an eye towards Anton, and its mind emanates a sense of grave urgency, as if begging for attention, and its claw slaps the table, shaking the plates with more force than was likely intended, and Anton jumps, then quickly checks his datapad sewn into his sleeve.Are the Valen psionic? I remember there being a cut-open one and some ceph in the lab Lyle rescued Lee from
>>1332201Psi capable unlike humans, we don't know how strong but when we try to read there human flunkie we found he was using basic anti-telepathy techniques
>>1332203So they have some idea of the psi tech tree like the humans And there behavior is interesting to be honest
>>1332193>>OtherYou have nothing the Hive needs. There is nothing in your space or ours that you can bring to us that we cannot take for ourselves easily. We do not wish for resources from you, or legal tender of any sort. What the hive could use is novel technical information, what examples thereof can you offer us?...Wait, did we just accept their offer?
>>1332203like in Village of the Damned where they guy just kept thinking "WALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALL" to trick the psychic kids?
>>1332201They are far, far more open with body modifications, and its highly likely that it has a spinal tap somewhere to digitally transmit orders both to robotic drones and human ones like Anton.>>1332195Gonna back this. Whales have been well beneath our notice before all of this, and we aught to let them know exactly where they stand with us. They are unimportant bystanders, we get what we want and they take whats left like the little bitches they are.
>>1332207pretty much >>1332206We haven't accepted anything till the speaker responds, so just keep stuffing our speakers face
>>1332195Yea sure supporting this.
>>1332203>Psi capable unlike humansNo. This was clarified repeatedly.
They only thing the have that we want is there gate tech, and maybe how there operating that ceph smuggling ring >>1332214only the humans were designed to be anti psi, the valen are somewhat psi capable since they may be a natural species,unless mom made them too
Oh, I see what they are talking about now. Tell them 1) Energy Credits are excellent tools for dealing with humans. The hive has little need for energy credits. 2) Valen Gate technology is fascinating. Truly a marvel that it was developed. The hive two alternatives to gate travel that does not use Canderon.>>1332206No we're stalling / playing dumb / actually confused
>>1332217That's not how it works. They are neither anti psi nor psi capable.
>>1332177I did say "assuming they supply the needed raw materials", in which case we only need to temporarily deploy some workers there.>>1332187We recently researched a tech that enabled us to create magnetospheres, which means that given the required resources which would be supplied by the Valen we could turn pretty much any arid lifeless rock into a livable planet.
I think i have a deal we can make in exchange for mining the Tannhauser belt.1 Only resources, any tech or researchable wreckage is given to us.2 Some good notoriety with the guild of transportation.3 A valen for dissection.4 Unique tech.
>>1332218But you're down to just sort of subtly indicate those premises to them in a suitably cheeky manner without actually explicitly stating then? I just like the idea of dismissing any of their offers as of little use to the hive while playing dumb.
>>1332218Gate tech is one of the only things off the table with Valens. That needs to be obtained through corporate espionage. We could substitute for asking for volunteers to develop beneficial biotech for Valens.
>>1332221The hell are you on about? Nearly all life can be affected by psi as we see what the crystals doHell mom stripped the ability of psi and made humans anti psi for that very reason So since that the whalemay be psi capable, and we saw another species using psi, those tribals hanging out with barren queen It literally a thing in this setting
>>1332228>corporate espionageOr brute force, we take the gate by force and board it to disable any self-destruct features.
>>1332223Oh yeah, we could offer to help terraform the planet.>>1332193Offer this with with mining rights, colony rights, and biotech for>>1332225 and an embassy on the colony
>>1332228>Gate tech is one of the only things off the table with Valens.Not really, i recall one of the secretary counsel saying the valen gates are getting outdated since you can count how many know how they work on one hand so they were going to wait until the valen couldn't keep up and will have to resort to a shared research project to upgrade the gate tech, i was thinking since we don't need their transportation we could steal that incoming joint research project.
>>1332229What are you blathering about? No, they aren't psi capable. Being affected by psionics like all life has nothing to do with being "psi capable." Humans had their psionics taken, this doesn't mean every other species also has psionics. This has been gone over repeatedly now.
>>1332234No dude, we just had Dillon explain last thread that the easiest way to get on the whales shit list is to try to get there gate tech
>>1332230Because we want to do business with them. Plus they can't complain if we out-spied them fair and square, since their entire culture is based on cut-throat business. Between flies, cloaked pods, and mind reading, we should manage.
>>1332228We can't ask for gate tech. They are very very very protective of it. You know what will make them sweat is if we imply that we have tech that we're looking into the "provide transport service" industry too.>>1332226Yeah, that's what I meant with that post.But don't keep stringing them along too long, lest they think we're not all about the negotiation. Suggest that a deal is definitely possible. The Hive has no objections to the gate being located at Tannhauser.
>>1332238They can't complain if we out-space-war-now'd them fair and square either.One, we have little to gain from business with Valen, comparatively, but anyway attacking in no way prevents business dealings. Valen do business with people they're in brutal violent competition with all the time.
>>1332237But they'll still be desperate if what i said about the gates becoming outdated is right. We can walk up with our Rip FTl and say "I heard you needed a partner to help you keep your monopoly."
>>1332244Uh no, nowhere even close to be willing to hand it over
>>1332193>the combined valen clans, including the Guild of TransportationOf course the Guild is apparently too important to actually come to this meeting, too.If we weren't so busy making them nervous with silence, maybe we should ask if this Guild cares so much then where the heck are they.
>>1332193>Change the subjectjust start staring and start slowly eat the table a little
Man, dealing with Valen is always so tense because we don't know if we're pushing too far or not far enough.