The soft glow of your pulsating medical tanks glimmer against the polished stone of the murals covering the walls as your drones march forth with piles of equipment balanced atop their carapaces with care. Nutrient vats slowly grow as drones pile various forms of collected biomass into the digestion tanks for processing, the piping slowly growing the short distance to the medical tank as a number of Phantom priestesses look on from just outside, their minds a mixture of fear, jubilation, and confusion at the strange but overwhelming display of hive biotechnology, unaware and incapable of understanding the magnificent complexity of the medical procedures being performed upon the childless queen that has looked over their tribe for as long as their legends can say.You realize, like the Ralighans, and despite the Barren Queen's efforts to stamp out such superstition, you are a god to these primitive creatures, and the tribe's spiritual and practical leaders have all gathered to watch you weave magic before them. They watch your drones with reverence, avoiding their paths while following closely behind any time they leave the Barren Queen's chamber as your drones ignore them as inconsequential to their orders. Several workers, while standing idle awaiting a new order, have even had a number of small talismans pinned to their bodies, hanging from antennae or stuck to the thorax with a waxy cream harvested from the secretions of a small beetle analog.You do not recognize the details of their activities as having any form of practical application, but as the Barren Queen slips into your medical pod, the mountains echo with the sounds of their alien music and invocations of the spirits of ancestors and other mythological entities. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
WOOOOODaily reminder.>Raid OQ>Read the locked memories of that thinker.>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.>Send a diplomacy team to earth.>Build that new FTL prediction building.>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
>>1305716And on that day I became as a god.
Best day of the week is here!
>>1305715I completely agree with all of these ideas, let's get on them.
>>1305694So slight question here Alpha, (ya don't mind I call ya that?) On Djin the frozen thing that went bezerk is that related to the Beta quest? Because that queen is on a frozen planet and recently fought some sort of independent drone that had no psionic connection either.So are the things related or is Beta copying your thunder?
>>1305728Beta quest is a cheep knockoff of HQQ, don't go getting them mixed up now.
>>1305715>Board a scav vessel for their FTLBut we already got our own FTL....
>>1305735But we can have MORE.
>>1305735This >>1305736All the FTL will be ours.
>>1305735>not wanting to reverse engineer EVERYTHINGYou don't even know how to play this quest, do you?
>>1305694The skyline of Path echoes with distant sirens as air traffic creates a moving starfield of lights against the overcast sky. Police and PDF forces remain on high alert as their lights flash along every street corner and at the entrance to every government building you can see.Deep beneath the surface, in the labyrinth of drainage canals and service tunnels your clones sit up in their cots as the lights flicker on above, and Kent and his guards stand over them, he wears a large grin on his face, as if still struggling to subdue some joke he heard and still finds funny."So, I think now is a good time to have a quick talk about your employer, and why you were sent here." He says. "Tell me, real quick, where exactly is Lee right now?">Write in
>>1305747Someone remind me what's going on with this pls?
>>1305747You just saw him.Too sarcastic maybe? >>1305751Rebel group that we could have used but became not important once the clusterfuck at nowhere occurred and the situation drastically changed
>>1305747"On Gemini, functioning as an ambassador."
GAS THE SQUIDSNUKE THE WHALESSTAB THE MONKEYSTRUST NOTHINGTHE VOID IS WATCHING
>>1305715There is no practical possibility of boarding a scav vessel until we construct those ships with harpoon launchers / boarding pods from the dedicated crunch thread, in which nothing like that actually got put to a vote as far as I can see.
>>1305747"He's on Gemini, duh. You saw him yourself."
>>1305759Some of those are impossible too.
>>1305754>>1305755>>1305760Uhhh.DId our totally, one hundred percent human, agents there, get ANY internet access in the sewers?They at best can say, last they heard, he was safely in hive custody.
>>1305747"Should be on Gemini right now."
>>1305756KILL THE CLOWN?!
>>1305747>Last we heard he was in Hive custody.
>>1305764Um yeah they saw the newsreportWe saw a snippent in the reactions of certain character to Lee reveal on that runway? And this guy was one of them, he woke up our drones by laughing
>>1305764I specifically remember Kent laughing when he saw Lee reveal his face when he got out of our shuttle.
>>1305764Our alibi could be that they went out at some point in time
>>1305764Please note the quality of the player suggestions has dropped significantly since the hiatus.
>>1305771>they saw the newsreportNo they didn't. They didn't have access to the TV. They were sleeping through it.>>49200529> Lightyears away, your clones wake up from their slumber in the makeshift barracks they have been provided. You hear laughter, a deep, almost wrenching laughter, as if moments from a coughing fit. The sound of a cane hitting the floor is followed by several medics rushing through the tunnels of the underground hideout as the laughing continues into bouts of coughing, and then more laughing.
>>1305764It's pretty obvious who our guys are working for (especially on account of their unusual cybernetics), this guy is not necessarily an enemy unless we try to fuck with him either.So it's not unreasonable that they'd have some means of getting information from us that he couldn't detect, but isn't tachyonic. If that's what you're worried about.>>1305747"Should be somewhere around the Hive Embassy on Gemini, why do you ask?"
So yeah they seen some of the implants, the know that theirs a lee on union prime since that was big news So now he wants to talk to us, Say our drones are just mercs and they can arrange a meeting with a speaker?
>>1305782Are they not connected to the psychic network right now? These are hybrids, I thought all hybrids had parasites
>>1305765This is probably the best answer.
Time to make some friends
>>1305785>So it's not unreasonable that they'd have some means of getting information from us that he couldn't detect, but isn't tachyonic. If that's what you're worried about.It is totally unreasonable though. They just got woke up from bed after the laughing fit that very night.>your clones sit up in their cots as the lights flicker on above, and Kent and his guards stand over them, he wears a large grin on his face, as if still struggling to subdue some joke he heard and still finds funny.Plus this is our chance to namedrop:>>1305747Last we knew, he was on Leeland.
>>1305694Hurray! Time for our new daughter!
>>1305782Ah, our hybrids haven't seen the news about the hive showing up, if they were to say Lee is in gemini right now they would reveal shit.Apparently Kent is smarter than 90% of the union leadership.
>>1305798i second this.
>>1305791Yeah there connected, we still have a stealth pod in system with a relay And do we still want that Q&A with the reporters? >>1305804Good point, Should just say wherever our employer wants him then
>>1305747Change mine to"He's being kept safe in our custody, how the hell would i know what he's doing beyond that?"
>>1305801So what? Why would it be surprising that their employer (who is clearly the hive) told them beforehand that by the time they were inserted on Path, Lee would probably be on Gemini?Saying he was on Leeland would be the more giveaway thing, because no one knew where he was at (on account of being in a gov't blacksite) until he showed up at Gemini a few days ago as our ambassador.
>>1305747>"Dark... nightclub. Throbbing music. Men's room. Men's room stall. Penis! Two penises! Ugh, so gay. Gay, so gay. But in all seriousness he should be on Gemini."
>>1305747He should be on Gemini now, in fact I believe he may be giving a speech to Parliament momentarily.As to our employer, I hope you understand there is much we cannot talk about, and much we do not ourselves know. What do you wish to discuss?
>>1305791And? Do you want to explain all that to Kent or something?
So should we ask Dillon if he knows this rebel groups and any intel he has on this Kent guy?
But telling him that Lee is on Gemini would create holes in the narrative we are trying to weave.
>>1305827Yeah, we need these drones to pass as human after all And really dont want to revel the mind control parasites to this guy
>>1305824That's a fair point, changing vote to >>1305818
>>1305804That or it means that they were aware of the hives plan to open diplomatic discussion with the union.
>>1305824It's reasonable we have some way to communicate with our agents whether they be cybernetics either organic or mechanical in nature. For all Kent knows we just have a very well hidden ear-piece on our agents rather than a mind-controlling parasite.
>>1305829why not just kill him then?
>>1305747Disregard this one >>1305754Support this one >>1305818Forgot our shadowruns we had running
>>1305832Then what was the point of this meeting then?
>>1305832This too, so it's a choice between "i was told this might happen beforehand" or "I don't know"
>>1305836Or some implant
>>1305844To investigate this faction and it's goals, they were the ones who tried to bust Lee from prison.
His next question is probably how these guys ended up working for an alien bug queen who seems to give great implants.What say? Pirates that tried to flee the Commonwealth into the Expanse, got an offer they couldn't refuse?>>1305836I dunno, if I had an underground rebel base I'd at least try to proof it against radio signals in case of moles.
>>1305844We were planing this meeting before the Fuckup at Nowhere and resulting Union contact So it was something that got sidelined during the chaos and now we just can only do cleanup this loose end unless we can think of something they can do for us now
>>1305854Claim ignorance, why would agents know the mind of the alien they're working for? :^)
>>1305836>wanting to reveal shit like thatAre you retarded?>>1305853Then in that case. >>1305818Is better to go with.
>>1305854>His next question is probably how these guys ended up working for an alien bug queen who seems to give great implants.>"Shouldn't you take me out on a date before you ask about my personal life?"
>>1305854Could be small quantum entangler devices. The details don't really matter, and it's easily explained by saying "Our employer told us they might have to take Lee to Gemini soon." Anons are making this a much bigger deal than it is.>>1305818I'll support this to get moving though.
>>1305855I mean we were probably planning to do hijinks using these guys against the union but now? Im not sure what we can do with them given that Path is going to go thur spore hell and possible full "Thing" outbreak
>>1305844Less be real, the secret reason is just to feel out and learn about the Hackers on Steroids Lee shitposts with on the internet.What we say to Kent though, dunno. Gotta make it something he'd want to hear. The queen needs human friends. You were friends of Lee. Lee was the first human friend to the hive. ??? Profit.
>>1305747"Well," one of your clones says "I would assume he'd be on Gemini by now.""That would be an accurate assumption." Kent says back as a guard plants a chair behind him. He slowly lowers himself into the seat with a slight wince of pain. "In fact, it looks like he brought some friends along for the ride. Some rather powerful looking friends at that." He adds. "You know them much?" He looks at your clones for a moment before shaking his head quickly."Don't answer that, I'm just enjoying this. Sorry for waking you up at such a horrid hour but, alas, it's always primetime somewhere, and you can either keep up with politics, or keep up with your sleep schedule, rarely both." Kent leans on his cane with his one arm and rests his natural leg atop his cheap temporary prosthetic with a soft crunch of stained plastic. "But I would like you to tell me a few things first, and honestly. Who hired you, how did you get in touch with them, and where did you get those augs? Now before, I was able to pass those off as maybe some experimental Valen design. I hear they've been tinkering with some kind of artificial muscle tissue but I have yet to see them in action. Either that, or maybe something the Unity whipped up for its latest batch of madmen following in the enterprising footsteps of the last man to strike a deal with an AI." He seems to look off into the distance for just a moment. "I do regret having been unable to hire his services. We run in different circles. Anyways, now, I am starting to think you received those augs from a somewhat more unknown source, and I'd like to know the details of your encounter before we get started with any more in depth discussion." He eyes your clones, each one in turn, before he shrugs disarmingly."Please understand, you can still leave at any point, but if we are going to be working together, I need to trust my contacts." He pats the nub of shoulder beneath his sleeve. "I learned that lesson very well.">Tell as much truth as possible (write in)>Make up a story (write in)>Other
>>1305862In politics every detail matters. So yes they will scrutinize everything we say and do.
>>1305869>Make up a story (pirates/mercs that were given an offer that cant be refused and then started to recive good payment that they kept doing work for us) aka lyle hiring >Other include the location of a bug spacestation or free port that tech and stuff can be traded
>>1305869So we need to avoid mentioning Nowhere at all. >>1305880>>Other include the location of a bug spacestation or free port that tech and stuff can be tradedWe don't have one set up yet and QD is still working on the crunch genius.
>Tell the Truth or as much as we can. Be nut, be honest and give as much pertinent info as possible
>>1305869Does Lyle know this guy?
>>1305891It could just be a space ship orbiting a plant or something not like we have to be high tech or professional
>>1305896The protagonist is Lyle isn't?
>>1305869Say that they were recruited via someone else who might have been a middle man for the hive. Make a few guess that are true and a few that arnt to make it seem more credible. We wont be able to hide the connection, so just claim that the connection isnt that close.
Feels so fucking good seeing this thread every Sunday again.
>>1305893I don't know about you but more then 50% of the information you'd be offering them would include pod people, parasites, and psionics. We want to avoid that shit.
>>1305869This >>1305904+"some of us were homeless bums living in the sewer when we got offered a new life."
>>1305869>>Tell as much truth as possible (write in)Keep to the basics, and ask that he not broadcast that he has any sort of contact with us.He could be useful in the near future, we're likely going to be in charge of humans soon and we have absolutely no idea how to govern them, he could be useful for advice in this respect. As good as "just live as you were before" sounds I have a strong feeling that won't cut it and we have no idea how to govern things that we cannot talk to directly.
>>1305908Thats why we give them a few nuggets of truth, but nothing more then a bunch of mercs hired by a middle man could figure out.
>>1305869Okay, what is as unfalsifiable as possible?Lyle hired some people at Mars to come with him, but these guys are clearly different from those guys. Must've changed their faces too.And these guys' history can be tracked back to Gemini, but no further.Have to guess how far Kent's info gathering goes.Yet not reveal the existence of a sewer hive on Gemini that gives augs, among other things.I guess you could say they were on a mission to capture bugger specimens, and failed. But got offered freedom, augs, etc to go off into human space to find Lee.Implicitly, this was with Lyle, we don't need to drop him by name.They split up, another team ultimately found Lee. We remained behind, while remaining under contract for new orders...and we got them, to come visit Path to make friends, while apparently Lee was on diplomacy duty.
>>1305911Mercs are a better cover. Mercs might be trusted to leak some info on there clients, a bunch of people who now owe their lives to their clients are less likely to be trusted by these guys.
>>1305869>Tell as much truth as possible"To be honest, I'm not really sure how I met the bugs. Can't remember past waking up in one of their medical tanks. They've treated me well since then though. They make efforts to make their accommodations as amenable to visitors as possible, but we were unfortunately not allowed to leave. On account of possible information leaks.Then they offered me these augs, combat training, and a chance to work for them that would let me off planet in advance. Otherwise I'd have to wait til first contact, information security you see. I didn't have shit for memories, didn't have anything better to do, and so I took them up on it.I could've been a pirate before, or a stranded motherfucker on their planet, cowering in the dirt. Now I've got a purpose and someone who's got my back, it's good enough for me. There are some others who didn't take up the offer, I wonder if they'll be free to go now that contact's been initiated. Either way, it's of no concern to me.Any other questions?"
>>1305869>Mercenaries contacted by another mercenary/mysterious third party who had the line on an employer with lucrative contracts and a great health plan
>>1305918It can't be via middleman if we have to answer where they got those augs, which is increasingly obvious they are of alien design. Did you forget that part of the question?I mean random mercs don't submit to surgery by unknown bio technology at random, do they.
>>1305916Theseus would gladly teach us in exchange for any data we gather on them.
>>1305931Damn it, meant to also quote >>1305820for pic related.
>>1305927I recall one of our hybrids is a survivor type with a bunch of duck tape in his pockets and i though admitting to him that he used to be a bum might impress him.
>>1305869>>1305904Going to back this.
>>1305904>>1305953How did they get hive augs if they didn't meet the hive directly?
>>1305869>Tell as much truth as possible (write in)Our ship crashed on one of their planets. (Fact because they have the crew aboard the ship that crashed in our planet.) They explained they couldn't take us home because Union did some stupid, something about putting a satellite with hukes on the orbit of one of their colonies in a spore planet(also true). We were detained but not unharmed we did tried to escape but they are giant bugs and one of then was almost this room size so we weren't suicidal at that moment. Then some bullshit happend and they came with a offer, we would work as some mercs giving information about human politics and about something the Union found on the expanse and were doing some stupid experiments. Now that i think about it they only started to talk to us around the time that attemp to a Union and Commonweatlh metting accoured (This will give the impression we only started to notice humanity after Union started to fuck with crystals).
>>1305926>I guess you could say they were on a mission to capture bugger specimens, and failed. But got offered freedom, augs, etc to go off into human space to find Lee.I'm liking this one, mixed maybe with >>1305928 but not including the amnesia backstory. >Merc sent to poach some bugs>Shit went bad>Wake up in medical tank>Offered new job>I ain't got nothing better to do>Give me augs, get sent on jobCould get in touch with them on your behalf if you want.
>>1305955They didn't meet the hive directly at first, a few jobs later and they got offered sweet augs.
>>1305944That would actually be awesome, voting for this
>>1305955A discreet middle man that deals with the source directly. We were planning on selling our augs at some point anyway, it makes sense.
>>1305931>>1305904Backing this general idea
>>1305880There's no bug station 13 yet.
The more I read through all the posts the more I realize there is no good response for this situation.The only way they could be completely unfalsifiable is if they came from Nowhere.
>>1305880Actually voting for this>>1305972Yea but there will be, and we want publicity
>>1305957>We only started to notice humanity after the union started to fuck with crystals.>Even though they put a satellite filled with nukes on orbit of one of our "colonies" earlier.Not to mention we don't know how long the union have been fucking with the crystals.
>>1305969>selling AugsburgNo we aren't.
>>1305904>someone else who might have been a middle man for the hive. Make a few guess that are true and a few that arnt to make it seem more credible. We wont be able to hide the connection, so just claim that the connection isnt that close.But then they do know what the plan was for Lee to be on Gemini.It kinda has to be a close connection, if they're in the loop on the Lee plan. Although maybe they started out as through a middleman, but ended up paid directly by hive now.
>>1305979I think we're only planing to sell cheap downgraded versions, not the "I can lift a car" ones.
>>1305975Never put your horse before your carriage anon. Wait until we set it up.
>>1305931>>1305918If you want this guy to be straight with us we're gonna need to be straighter than this with him. He'll see through that load of crap in a heartbeat, mercs don't tank shotgun blasts to the chest willingly. Augs or not.
>>1305986You're not my real dad, you cant tell me what to do, Im gonna go tell humans about bug atlantis and you cant stop me! And then Im going to invade the Space whale homeworld, and make them slaves, AND I DONT EVEN CARE IF YOU GET MAD. UGH.
>>1305869Make up a story:We were hired by a mercenary called Lyle Rogers to do a few jobs for one of his mysterious employers in exchange for some rather powerful cybernetics. Eventually we came into contact with Lyle's "employers" and began working for them directly.
>>1305869Although, I mean, does knowing your contact's backstory actually inspire trust?
>>1305959I like this. Seconding.
>>1305991I'll vote for that over "Some middleman!" anyday.
>>1305976Yeah i can see the flaw. But i was thinking that the nuke planting could be viewed as a "Well those guys aren't friendly at all, fortunantly they aren't so advance so they aren't a big problem. Let's avoid then and take care of the void gods and the traitorous queen." Then when humans started to fuck with crystals, by using theyr tech to make a invisible ship, we started to infiltrate then and when shit hit the fan real hard they forced us to reveal ourselfs.
>>1305995>"Well those guys aren't friendly at all, fortunantly they aren't so advance so they aren't a big problem. Let's avoid then and take care of the void gods and the traitorous queen."I'd prefer if the satellite nuke was what attracted our attention and the latest union void fuckery is what attracted our interest/anger.
>>1305991Where were those cybernetics installed? In the medtank on the Hel's Angel? I guess they'd have to be pre-grown.
>>1305957Just say that its a cultural thing. That we figure the best way to figure out a new race or polity's intentions is to let them think they have the advantage. Humanity failed most impressively.
>>1306001Well that is actually a much better idea.
>>1305991Actually I'll switch to this.
>QD trying to count the votes like
>>1306013Well actually we isolate one of their individuals then interrogate them to figure out their race's intentions. So far it has been pretty reliable.
>>1305991Lyle doesn't seem like the type to subcontract work. Whoever our middleman was could have brought them in contact with Lyle, but Lyle hiring directly?
>>1305991Looks good to me.
>>1306032>Lyle doesn't seem like the type to subcontract work.He hired on extra crew on his original mission. Call it not so much subcontracting as getting hired help.
>>1306032But didn't Lyle hire mercenaries directly when he originally attacked the hive? I'm pretty sure that was definitely Lyle doing the hiring and not his big shadowy boss.
>>1305991The only trouble we have with just about any mercenary backstory is that there won't be any records of the advertising of a job looking for mercs. There'll be no one who saw the job offer and declined, and no one who got refused.
>>1306031Well yes, but then we don't get an excuse to mock union politicians
Quick questions does anyone know how many light years/hexagons the blink drive travels?
>>1306031Butif we say that we don't get the chance to be checky!!
>>1306041Black ops para-military mercenary groups working under the table for illegal augments don't exactly post on future-Craigslist. I'm not sure why we need a "record" here.
>>1306058Our drive has no limit in distance but it get less accurate after 5 i think
>>1306058As many as we want but it's safe range is 5 light years though it increases with better and more sensors.
>>1306030I can hardly keep up sometimes in my own quest, don't know how he does it
>>1306066I dunno, anon has a point. Where ever these folks DO post their job listings this guy undoubtedly has a tap into that network.Which is why I feel this: >>1305959 is a better option, because it allows him to piece together whatever details he pleases on specifics. There's nothing to check our factuality against, but it's sufficiently frank that it comes across as truth. So he'll just wait to see how we operate to decide whether he trusts us or not.
>http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>Hive technology"...drops the drone at, or at least close to, the target destination. Extremely complex calculations are required to perform an accurate blink maneuver, and even the smallest miscalculation could result in overshooting the target by many light-years, or even appearing within the target planet or star itself. At least one thinker is needed to calculate a blink maneuver, and extensive sensor systems are required to safely plot a course. More thinkers or higher quality sensors will increase the range,while dense star clusters and high levels of gravitation will hinder it.">" More thinkers or higher quality sensors will increase the range,while dense star clusters and high levels of gravitation will hinder it."It depends of the system and the amount of thinkers working on the jump calculation.
>>1306091Opd forgot to quote>>1306058
>>1306068>>1306073Thanks.Also i spotted a contradiction on the rip/micro rip drive descriptions.>Rip drivehowever the range itself is limited to fifteen light years per jump for a one-sided jump>Micro Rip droveRange has also suffered slightly due to the reduction in size compared to a ship using it as its main drive, allowing a ship to target its spacetime tear to any location within five light years, roughly HALF that of a full sized drive.
>>1306091And sensors. If we had gravity sensors in every hex on the map we could conceivably blink, in one jump, from end of the map to the other.
>>1306091I read that but it doesn't specify it's standard/ideal light year range.
>>1306091I think the 'more Thinkers' part must be retconned now that we have a drone population of "ALL OF THEM."
>>1306107Yeah i noticed it. But i would rather have more threads then forcing QD work on the paste bins.
>>1305959I'll back this. This is what we did to Lyle, it's functionally untraceable, and simple.
>>1305869"We were hired through our contacts." Your clone says. "Someone was offering high end gear and major perks for a long term merc contract. A few of us figured it was a Unity contact too, but turned out it was a bit more alien then that.""And who was this contact?" Kent asks. "It wasn't Lyle himself?" One of your clones shrugs."We never dealt very close with the guy. I wouldn't know." Kent leans in with his cane."It doesn't matter how close you are." He says. "If you're working with Lyle Rogers, you know. Now it isn't unknown to me that he was hired for an expedition to the Expanse after a Union ship went missing, after the first one went missing anyway, and then he went missing before I get a call from a contact saying he was selling razor trout at a port over Mars, and I know he was never at Huron. He was fresh from the Expanse." Your clone Bartholomew lets out a short grunt before interrupting."I thought you ran in different circles." He says, Kent's face becomes more serious, the slight humor quickly dissipating."He's hired by anyone and everyone, and if he gets the job to kill me." He says flatly. "I need to know. He's a hard man to track, likely because he knows so many try to track him. I often wonder if it's more devastating for the Union to employ him, or send one of their tin men. I've dealt with the tin men before, but so has he.""So maybe we were? So what?" Another clone asks."So, maybe you were hired by one of the most dangerous men in all of known space, but you're not sure?" Kent says. "Now, I know he brought back alien life from his expedition. I have contacts in Olympus shipyards who were involved in the exchange, and I know the lab they were transferred to was never public knowledge, and was nuked soon after." He points to your clone as he speaks, adding a bit of emphasis on each new statement. "I make sure to keep a very close eye on what the Union does outside the public view, especially if it involves them hiring mercs. So, before this, I was still in the dark on a lot of things, but now I think it's starting to come together. I just need to know why? Did he actually kidnap an alien species, and if so, how is he now working for them? Unless it was all deliberate, a part of some kind of test, or as a method of probing humanity's capabilities." Your clones glance at each other in some mild confusion.>Claim to be working with Lyle>Deny any affiliation with Lyle>Other
>>1306090Well, I think Lyle would probably have personal contacts he has picked up over his career. I don't really see how records of mercenaries would be more available for some guys sent to poach bugs than otherwise.At the same time, though, you make a good point that this guy has serious underground ties and I actually really liked the story you linked. I'm changing my vote to support.>>1305959
>>1306128>Deny any affiliation with LyleWe killed all of the mercs that came with lyle And if he knew what lyle was doing then he probably knows what mercs went with lyle
>>1306128>Unless it was all deliberate, a part of some kind of test, or as a method of probing humanity's capabilities.>Other"Both, they don't like being poached."
>>1306145What does that mean.Now were these mercs hired before or after Lyle delivered buggers into Union scientist hands, is the real question. If before, then they might know that the hive did sell some of their own drones to the Union for credits, via Lyle.
Rolled 34 (1d100)>>1306151I'll support that.
>>1306128>>Other"You don't get that sort of info without trust first. We can tell you Lyle is working for our employer and isn't going after you. Isn't that enough?"
>>1306128We didn't sen our original flash clones to Path right?
>>1306151Support that answer for that question
>>1306128>Deny overt affiliation with lyle. seriously we are mercs right? we follow the dollar signs and we aren't Lyle tire, without the new augs we would be pretty much just thugs with slug throwers working for a PMC.
Dam this guys is super paranoid. I like him.
>>1306162This is as good as it'll get.
>>1306151The real problem is that the Union would try again and again until they got their hands on drones, so at least this way they got a cut of Lyle's profits.I'm really not sure if these guys should even know this much about the hive's motives though.
>>1306151Just dont make it sound that personal. Make it sound as if its common sense and less like they told us directly
>>1306173Has to be given what the union cia is like
>>1306173Really putting Jacks paid brainiacs to shame.
>>1306178>Make it sound as if its common sense.No one likes being poached.
>>1306199Jacks?Term for Union?
>>1306162This and >>1306151"Oh, the lab was nuked? The eggheads in the labs didn't know what they were getting is my guess. Those bugs are pretty clever."
>>1306148So these are other mercs that had to be hired later than that Mars recruiting.>>1306162Well that or, the boss doesn't always explain everything to hired help.
>>1306206Now now, no need to feed his paranoia that much.
>>1306204Jack Windsor. Have you not checked the wiki?
>>1306204Jack is one of the secretary council's member, he's in charge of intelligence.
>>1306206Ad in unless you kill the thinker. Then the workers go into a berserk rage.
>>1306128>Other" honestly we don't we didn't meet with our implore and they didn't want to meet with us we went to the place they asked us to and next thing we knew we were on Gemini with new agus new identies and a message that wiped it self after we read it. If lyles working for them he may as well have hired us but we never meet the guy
>>1306128>>1306151Yeah, I'll support this.If we claim association with Lyle we need to have a reason why we're not on this guys radar if he keeps track of Lyle. Maybe we can claim to be former Commonwealth freelancers that have mostly been working in that end of space?
>>1306225No. Bad anon.
>>1306220This guy should be in it's place. At least he seems clever then Jack.
>>1306230We can use the "I know a guy who knows Lyle" excuse, i.e. our flash clones we sent to help Lyle and set up the sewer hive.
>>1306231why? IT would explain why the drones started killing everyone in the lab. Also i'm starting to suspect the tech girl might have survived the purge our drones made to the facility and she is now working for him.
>>1306232But then the union would be an actual threat rather than threat by repeated fuckups.
>>1306243>survived a worker blade to the chest
>>1306243We never talk about the thinkers or queen if we can help it
>>1306243>Also i'm starting to suspect the tech girl might have survived the purge our drones made to the facility and she is now working for him.You mean the one we killed? With a worker blade to the chest?
>>1306243Why explain shit? They don't need to be told anything anon and certain not from our clones.
>>1306248Humans have survived worse I think you might have meet the nuclear strike
>>1306248>survived a worker blade to the chest.And then a fire... and then a nuke...
>>1306259And union black ops cleaning crew
>>1306255this. seriously we are trying to make it look like these guys are mook hirelings not integrated hive members.
>>1306248I didn't remembered she was pierced by a blade. Doesn't stop form him having anyone else from it on his group. Since the commander of the facility in the planet was from that lab.>inb4 all survives of that incident are on Tokyo
>>1306251I was saying about the SPEAKER anon. Not the thinkers. If something it will make people think twice before attacking a speaker.
>>1306270Just give up on it anon. These guys are terrorists any so telling them that might encourage them too.
>>1306128"Both." Your clone James says. "Seems like an obvious way to get the Union to piss off, I'd say. And Lyle didn't hire us, but sure, he's working for our employer, and he doesn't give a damn about you. Any more details like that is gonna need some reciprocated trust. It's not good for business to talk about your employers." Kent sits still for some time, eyeing your clones one by one until he stands up with some effort, a guard helping him to his feet. He flips open his wide rim mirrored glasses and nudges them on with his one hand, the faint image of some holo-display flashing from the inside of the lenses as he fumbles with them in his hand."Fair enough." He says, his grin growing again ever so slightly. "I think there's enough here to at least start building something of a working relationship.""Alright, so what now?" Your clone asks, Kent begins to turn around as he hobbles to the door. He looks back at the bunks."You tell me. You're the ones managing the first contact, and I am very much enjoying the show your employers have been putting on so far. They certainly have the Union by the balls. I'd love to help twist the knife, to be honest. I apologize for interrupting your rest.""Don't worry. You learn to sleep when you can." A clone says, your others nodding as they stand up from their cots."Good, good. Then if it's all the same to your employers, I could use some help with a few things.">Make a request of David's organization (write in)>Offer assistance in his activities>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)>OtherIs anyone else having issues with captcha tonight?
>>1306294Could they extract the remaining stuff on Djinn or would it be better if drones went instead of overly curious humans?Captcha is working fine for me.
>>1306294>Request an exchange of intelligenceWe can trade the newest upcoming Union Science catastrophe for something, what do other anons think?
>>1306294>Kent sits still for some time, eyeing your clones one by one until he stands up with some effort, a guard helping him to his feet. He flips open his wide rim mirrored glasses and nudges them on with his one hand, the faint image of some holo-display flashing from the inside of the lenses as he fumbles with them in his hand.Was he trying to use a lie detector program on their faces?>>1306294>>OtherReaching high shelves?Clearly this guy needs a new hive provided arm.
>>1306294>Request an exchange of intelligence Going ons on path right now? Research labs? Private corp research? high rank officials etc Thoughts on the battle in space >Other Offer to arrange a meeting with a speaker in a neutral place? or valen port?
>>1306309>Request an exchange of intelligence
>>1306294Would request a intelligence gathering from the lab on the planet be a good or a bad thing to do?
>>1306309Let's not offer that speaker meetup just yet, we just said "Any more details like that is gonna need some reciprocated trust. It's not good for business to talk about your employers."
>>1306306>>1306309Let's first get some FREE intelligence on this guy by seeing what he even wants, though.And maybe see if an opportunity to adopt him comes up later.>>1306294>>Offer assistance in his activities
>>1306294>>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)Our employer feels it necessary to keep an eye on Path, we can use any intel of any sort about events happening on the streets of Path.
>>1306308>Reaching high shelves?lolI do wonder if he's interested in a new leg and arm and spine-buddy
>>1306328He's too paranoid for that spine buddy offer, we're going to have to think that through.
>>1306335That's why you sneak it in while installing the second heart, duh.
>>1306319Don't say like that anon. Let the paranoid human think that there is no hive influence on the planet. It will make even better when the BQ's spore come and make shit up on it.>>1306328We can offer it as payement.
>>1306294Ask Kent how's Alder's doing and if he anything about what's happening on Talgo?
>>1306294>>Offer assistance in his activitiesWe're making the initial contact, let's get things started on the right foot. Maybe mention that if he interested, we could fix that limp.
>>1306343Nah i don't think he would apreciate it. Let lay down on the assimilation thing. Also they aren't parasites they are symbiots!!
>>1306294>Offer assistance in his activities. and do a piss poor job of actually helping out.If we were having trouble strong arming the Union this guy would be useful, and I think we can use him later as a net to snag entrenched resistance, but his methods, motives, and objectives, as we know them so far, are pretty solidly counter to our own.We want to build a unified front against the void. He wants every individual planetary or solar entity to operate independently.
>>1306353He can't unappreciate what he doesn't know.
>>1306294>Offer assistance in his activities>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)You said you want the Expanse to be free from Union influence; our employer wants the same. It is ancient alien territory - or so they claim - and contains many extremely dangerous artifacts. We do not know the specifics, but according to our "employers" the Union, in their greed and arrogance, have been experimenting on them in ways that could doom us all.The Hive believes that the galaxy will be safer if Union meddling is contained, and I believe in pursuit of that aim our goals may have some alignment. Perhaps we can work together towards this goal in the future.However, we are mere agents of this greater organization and cannot speak for it ourselves. Perhaps you would like to speak to a representative of the hive itself, or send one of you agents to speak with one of theirs?>Is anyone else having issues with captcha tonight?Yeah, I'm having some problems. It banned my desktop for using a VPN (I'm not), so I had to switch to my laptop.
>>1306354They actually aren't as much as you think. We don't actually want or need a strong Union or human empire in general.
>>1306354The void literally cannot be defeated by any coalition no matter how large, unless every single ship is 6 kilometers long and equipped with a psionic cannon.Mundane brute force can't even dent them. And we can't let humans engage the OQ, their proxy, because that risks an enemy hive reverse engineering human tech.
>>1306354Not all of them, just the "Humanity must expand" bit for me.
>>1306294>Offer assistance in his activities
>>1306359No pitching from from mercsThey get this pitch from a speaker for it to be legit
>>1306359Something like this, but dont make it sound so...un-merc like. It sounds like its coming from the Hive and not some hired guns looking for a few energy credits.
>>1306368Yeah let's not. That's big picture stuff.
>>1306359No, this dialogue is filled with "I know more than i let on"
>>1306363the void cant, but we can. If we let the factions be fractured then the more opportunity for nowhere like events occurring without a clear situation. just as we are popping parasites into people the void could just as easily me crystallizing brain matter. Its in our best interest from a defensive standpoint to unify.
>>1306377Thats what I was saying. It makes them sound like agents of the hive instead of contractors.
>>1306294>Offer assistance in his activitiesThe path to free intel.
>>1306383Or take them over. Which would be better than any of the other options.
>>1306383>the more opportunity for nowhere like events occurring without a clear situation.Can you try saying something that makes sense instead of whatever bullshit that was.The Tartarus reactor is a fairly unique confluence of events, and the enemy won't have to repeat it with humans. The Ceph will just try to reproduce it themselves.
Why did we even send these guys here? I don't remember, it's been about a year.
>>1306409Because we wanted to know more about the guys who tried to bust Lee out of prison.
>>1306409They have any employer that wants Lee and I'm assuming this employer is Alder.
>>1306412I thought Kent was the guy who want's Lee, who's Alder?
Oh i have being thinking on something, that has nothing to do with the current discussion. What are the chances that the grey Ceph being crystal sleeping agents?
>>1306412Oh yeah sure, the Greens run a terrorist organization. Tory pls go.
>>1306418The green lady that killing wanted dead on that station
>>1306423Why not can you honestly say that politicians in the union wouldn't be willing to fund a few terrorist cells
>>1306426Ah, she's obviously not connected to this group.How is she doing btw QD?
>>1306432Yes I'm so sure a representative elected to interplanetary Parliament would fund a guy who wants interplanetary governance abolished and thus to remove them from power.
>>1306409 This guy tried to grab Lee to use him as a inspiration to Human-Xeno groups but the Union actually used him as a escape got for the terror attack that "killed" Lee. He might be trying to get back at Union for tricking him, so finding Lee would be a good way to clean him from this incident and there was also that intel Lee had from "his friends" from the internet.So in a disguise to try and find out who this guy was and what he wanted with Lee and avoid any Union intelligence trap. We sended our agents to meet with him.
>>1306440As long as the terrorist is never successful in abolishing the government he's a great scapegoat for all sorts of things.
>>1306440Always a need for deniable assets to do the dirty work But yeah i agree this guy wouldn't work with the greens
>>1306294>>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)Nothing is specific comes to mind, but intelligence exchange is pretty much the basis of all of our current alliances.
>>1306465Well with our race being the way it is nothing anyone else has would be interesting or worthwhile. Aside planets that is
>>1306369Yeah, I agree it needs some work. We need to make them sound a bit less interested in the politics of it. I still thinking asking them to meet with a speaker if they want to do real political negotiation is the way to go rather than have it be with middle men. Of course, it would look bad if the Hive were to be exposed funding terrorists... so we'd have to be careful not to get caught.
>>1306465There's nothing specific we want to know that he'd have access to, and we probably don't want to reveal how good our already existing information gathering network is in human space, which is the only place he'd want intelligence from.
Talking to Deepsong Valen when?
>>1306531Soon. Also i think we should send the Valen some kind of exotic fish. Wasn't that really dangerous Trout considered to be a exotic food? Let's send perfectly preserved eggs of the thing, so it won't hatch by accident on it's way to the Valen, as a gift for the honey.
>>1306465Hey, hang on guys, we might be able to get them to help with the escape from the Valen Lyle and Co are working on. We need plausible deniability for human agents for that, right?The only problems are that our clones already said they aren't working with Lyle and that this guy is paranoid enough he might be able to figure out we have the union compromised if we're trying to get allegedly Union agents released/escaped. And if he figures it out the Union might be able to too.
>>1306294>Offer assistance in his activitiesWhy not help them out to earn some trust?>OtherOffer to arrange some kind of meeting with the Hive, or as close as these guys can get.
>>1306541Did you not read what I said? DEEPSONG NOT GEMINI.
>>1306531Them lyle bank right?
>>1306541Huronese Razor Trout is a common food staple for them.
>>1306557Deepsong is where we're selling the reactors. The Valen there will be asking some interesting questions.
If our attemp to take the expanse by political means fail we can always back this guy up in the future.
>>1306558Oh. Then forget about it then.
>>1306294"Well as far as helping out, all we know is they have plans in the expanse that don't involve the Union." Your clone says. "I'm sure they'd appreciate anything you can do to help make things go more smoothly. They seem to be more than fond of a lot of those archeological finds out in the Expanse, I think the place is an old stomping ground of theirs, so, I guess just help get the Union out of the ancient bug burial grounds before they start haunting the place.""I figured something like that." Kent says. "Either that or a more straightforward issue of two parties calling dibs on the region at the same time." Your clones follow as Kent makes his way to the cramped and odd smelling control room of the base. Like the rest of the place, it smells faintly of chemical laden rainwater with the occasional whiff of something far more foul, although the room also smelled of burnt rubber and fried hair, with the distinct but faint scent of spoilt meat. You begin to question their professionalism until a taidaren pokes its head from a conduit. It twitches its head frantically, shaking for a moment as if cold. Several of its whiskers simmer as it pulls out some manner of alien rodent-like creature from the depths of the wiring, its fur covered body burnt and smoking."When you find those things jaw-locked on the power cables you shouldn't try to eat it yourself." Kent says, the taidaren nods awkwardly, the head motion an unnatural but learned mannerism."Yes." He squeaks "Good advice, yes." Another two climb out of the conduits over the first one after another."Humans have good saying: Second mouse get's cheese.""First get's trap!""We fix conduits!" They begin chirping in unison after all three have emerged from the service opening, their collective stench quickly filling the room with the smells that previously were held at bay."Above humans keep changing channels.""We too clever! We change channels too!""Use new cables, swap with old, yes!""Under-humans can watch above humans do more human things.""Boring things, yes.""Yes!""Mostly."They notice your clones and they swirl around each other, as if fighting to avoid being the one standing closest to them."Who is new humans?""Smell like above humans!""Too clean to trust!"The three hiss at once. Kent lets out a harsh whistle and several clicks as he speaks over them, mixing pathian with some colloquial taidaren dialect for emphasis."Bad and rude! These are my guests. I invited them here on a matter of business. Behave as if the matron watches. Keep away and help." He turns to your clones. "These three are Whiphik. They're excellent electricians, despite themselves more often than not, but they tend to blunder their way to greatness. Let them know if you need any help."cont.
>>1306566I think we may have our claws full with Path tonight.>>1306558>expensive fish from human planet>food staple
>>1306581Okay, a staple for the wealthy ones
>>1306576He has Tal comic relief? This guy is awesome
>>1306576>"Either that or a more straightforward issue of two parties calling dibs on the region at the same time."How is this guy not a intelligence agent!!Fuck Union would be scary if this guy was helping then..
>>1306585A.K.A most valen we'll be interacting with.How about that Leeland crab creature as a gift?
>>1306590>tfw to intelligent for the Union
>>1306595That was one of the organisms I was going to suggest cloning for export to the Valen actually
>>1306590That's just basic logical deduction on his part, anybody seeing what's going on in the Expanse would have made a similar conclusion.
>>1306576>taidaren these guys are great. If this is the same planet that we've been "trading" the taidarens spine-pals though, I wonder if word has leaked back to this guy about that trade yet.
>>1306576The Gemini Taidaren matron has to be adopted by now, right? Parasites install pretty fast.
>>1306604The Union haven't come to this conclusion what does this tell us about then?
>>1306590Well, he could possibly be a former intelligence agent who was dis-enchanted with Union corruption and the like.Or he may not necessarily even be a "former" agent. The Union does love its black ops and false-flag operations... I think that's very unlikely, though.
>>1306607That would be on Gemini, these are Pathian Taidaren
>>1306610Of course the Union realizes we are about to exert our claims over the expanse. We told them so. To their face. After flying an entire massed armada over Gemini.
>>1306610They did, it just we scared the everloving shit out of them when the commonwealth is invading and them seeing the first sign of void god
>>1306607I don't think so. The planet we are trading with the Taidaren is in Gemmini.
Would to love to see one of inner cabal meeting going on in the union right now Must be a neverending series of PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC Given all the things that happened to the union so quickly
>>1306621I still think adopting the Taidaren population of Gemini was a great idea and we haven't utilized them to their fullest extent.If we ever go to war with the Union they will make life on Gemini hell with all the sabotage they could do
>>1306628That's why I'm pissed we sent off Michael on that goose chase that nothing came out of. Could you imagine seeing Killinger's reaction the last 20 threads or so?
>>1306635We never saw this shit coming anon.
>>1306639No one could fuck up this bad...except for the Union.
>>1306639Yeah, but even if we didn't completely flip the table on the Union that would have been an invaluable source of intel and insight into the council decision making process. Instead we squandered Michaels value as an agent by sending him on a mission he would fail in the ass end of the expanse. If I had any idea the mission would have lasted half as long as it did, I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for it at the time.
>>1306649we could have meet Void cultist skyl when we found that ship in Tannhauser and we wouldn't have screwed up as bad as the union.
>>1306635Commonwealth war : No worries we got them by the balls ThenLyle hunting Op failure:Fuck, gonna owE the whales more money but it can be fixedQuickly:Nowhere: Some Egghead being a pain? whatever FUCK WHAT DO YOU MEAN BUGS AND THE UNITY SHOWED UP WTF HAPPENED TO THAT SERVER SHIP OK ok we just need time to deal with this HIVE FLEET ENTRANCE AND SPEECH TO WHOLE PLANET ABOUT THIS BEING THE LEADERS FAULT? FUCK YA ALL, WTF WHATS GOING ONWHERES THE EMERGENCY BOOZE AND BLOW Lee is ambassador and shown on union boobtube: WTF HE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD, WHO ARE THESE FUCKERSHive fighting over path: WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE MULTIPLE BUGS All events withing a week or so
>>1306656God dammit my sides.
>>1306656And this is why the union is useless right now No organizations can handle these level of fuckups happening so quickly and on multiple fronts
>>1306656I just wish I could have seen it first hand.
>>1306670Soon to appear:DID YOU JUST SAY WE RELEASED THE FUCKING "THING" IN A MAJOR CITY!
>>1306676For all we know Kent is about to help break it out.
>>1306656I don't think the Union will be staying in once piece by the time these crises are over with
>>1306670We could potentially handle all that shit but it wouldn't be easy.
>>1306676Followed byWHAT DO YOU MEAN "A STRANGE BIO-MASS" STARTED TO GROW IN THE LAB WALLS?!?!!
>>1306696You mean whole planet yes?
>>1306706We won't let it get that far.
>>1306706Yes that is what i meant yes.
>>1306712He referring to the spores spread by the OQ ship fragments that fell allover the planet, not the "Thing"
>>1306706>>1306712Do you think that after BQ's creep take over a planet, they will understand that the reason we were burning her wreckage, wasn't just so they wouldn't get our tech?
This reminds me, we told the humans to call us if any future hostile contamination shows up, i wonder how far will they let the OQ creep grow before they do?
>>1306733or how far it'll spread before they notice
>>1306656During these events:Sir! the CW have launched a offensive in blahblahblah FUCK OFF Checking monitoring Sat: ITS UNITY? AND THEY COMPRISED HOW FUCKING MUCH?STOP THAT TECHIE FROM COMMITTING SUICIDE Breather Sit rep:K WE ARE AT POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH 5 DIFFERENT FACTIONS BUGS, MORE BUGS, TINNIES, WHALES AND THOSE PRICKS OVER THERE SOMEONE STOP THOSE SPIES FROM COMMITTING SUDOKU
>>1306733doesn't matter we can always "Nuke it from orbit!" as some anons like to say.
>>1306743Their crocs not whales anon.
>>1306744Nuking the most populated planet in the Union is not a good idea.
>>1306743Reminds me of the empire in total warhammer
>>1306749Aren't they whale size?>implying crocs can't grow as big as a whale.
>>1306752By the time the creep grow to much i don't think there will be much population to save. But we can always take the survivors out of the planet before nuking it.
>>1306763What are talking about, the Valen are the size of a school bus. They're way more whale than croc.
>>1306766From what I recall they're a giant mix of snapping turtle, pipe organ, moray eel, and a lobster
>>1306576Kent nods to several technicians who operate a number of consoles. A hologram emerges amid a mad field of flickering static in the middle of the room projected from some fifty year old projector display. It shows a complex image of the city's subterranean infrastructure. A number of flat screens set up along the walls show low quality security footage of various tunnels as local police and corporate security patrol up and down the service tunnels. The screens include a number of public areas where entrances into the tunnels are hidden, or where agents sit in disguise to serve as gatekeepers, likely waiting for someone to present some information or password before being led away."What a hellhole." Kent says. "Hard to tell the difference between the underground and the surface at times. The wealthy never touch the lower city, likely don't even see it. It makes getting up to them all that harder." He leans onto the controls for the central projector and begins entering a number of commands. The projections shifts to a specific building, a large corporate facility surrounded by various subsidiary buildings and company housing projects."This is the Senticom building. Used to be an atmo-processor, now it's the headquarters of one of the largest privately owned research and development companies in the Union. Most of the quantum processors used to build that AI in Chandra were designed here, and now, most AAII programs are designed here. You can imagine the game of connect-the-dots your typical tinfoil hat wearing nut case thinks of it." He says with a smirk. "Now imagine what an advanced nutcase like me knows about it.""What, you think they unleashed that AI on purpose?" Your clones ask."Nothing so crude, although they do seem to allow it to do damage when their sales go down." He replies. "No, they just take advantage of that disaster. However, I happen to know that they hold a number of rather odd government contracts. Namely, AI research contracts that were never quite canceled after the treaty was signed. They were just allowed to expire, but in its place is a nice, big, black hole of money." He presses several buttons and a wall of numbers and financial reports scrolls past the front of the map. "Now obviously, they are not doing something as simple as actual AI research. It's always best to disguise your secrets as one degree closer to the public's overton window if you can. You can deflect more criticism that way with a slightly more believable story. AI research was always controversial, but there is one thing I can think of that's even further away from public acceptability. Earlier I mentioned Union 'tin heads', I assume you've heard about them given your employer and my assumption you worked with Lyle in the past, but in case I was mistaken..."cont.Also it looks like it's just my shitty internet messing up again, sorry about the slow pace, it takes forever for captcha to get through but it looks like an issue on my end.
Actually they look like crocs with shells if you read their description and size is pretty meaningless considering fish can grow that big.
>>1306773Smith baby makers?
>>1306773Oh so this where the smiths are built. Pity this doesn't have anything to do with the dozens of more pressing issues we've got on right now. >>1306777Always seemed more to me like bloated eels. Either way they've got about as much in common with whales as any other species from Earth.
>>1306773Oh those are the guys that "make" the Smiths. I want to hack then so much...I wonder how much tech we can get to our cover up company.
>>1306788They have the least in common with whales judging by their anatomy.
So Smiths vs Thing vs Spores then?And if can sabotage this place maybe get:Berserk Smiths vs Things vs Spores vs union
>>1306800They have the size in common, and that's the only thing they share with anything from Earth. Either way we've already come to the consensus of calling them whales, we're not coming up with an entirely new form of slander this late in the game.
On other note. We just found the Weyland Yutani. Fucks sake is everything bad about humanity sci-fi concetrated on Union space?
>>1306788The smiths are neat, and will probably come into play later.I agree, though, that there's a lot of interesting stuff going on and we should prioritize this appropriately. Personally I really want to see the Commonwealth battle and talk to Magus about the Void God/OQ, have Lee give his speech about the Expanse, have dinner with the Valen, and see what happens with the Barren Queen's rebirth.
>>1306815Path you mean pathAnd right in Neo Tokyo We need kaiju stat before the free for all
>>1306815Just need a wormhole accident for the Event Horizon plot-line>>1306822Well we do have Titans so that'd be easy enough
>>1306817I would like to send a diplomacy/Inquisition to earth and to FINALLY RAID OQ!
>>1306813Why not Crocs or Gators since that's what everyone else calls them? No need to be special snowflake.
>>1306822Kaiju Vs Smiths Vs Spoke Vs The Thing. Sounds like a terrible title for a movie that would genarate to much hype and end up being shit.
>>1306825>Just need a wormhole accident for the Event Horizon plot-lineThat gives me an idea, maybe when we get the valen gate FTL we gain a new research option that combines valen FTL with Rip drive to create a wormhole interception device.
So this is now what i wantThe spores are primed so that is good Free the Thing from that lab Make the smith factory go nuts and unleash Berserk smiths onto the planet Add our own Kaiju into this fight And several bowls of popcorn and booze watching watching how the union reacts to this clusterfuck
>>1306826Eh, I'd rather not raid OQ with almost all our fleets tied up in Union intimidation or helping the Commonwealth. If she retaliates we could have to abandon our allies/suddenly leave the Union, which might have them guessing we're weaker than we're trying to appear. I'd rather resolve those conflicts before engaging in another.
>>1306835First we wait for OQ spores, then release the smiths, then release the thing and finally send our titans and some camera drones to film the clusterfuck while a speaker narrates.
>>1306847She can't retaliate, i recall the barred queen saying something about that.Also we already moved some ships from the Gemini fleet to take care of that Path attack.
>>1306848Lyle and crew alongside a speaker do the narration?
>>1306848The movie industry is another area of business they could get into.Either through filming complex over the top movies like this on our own worldsor selling genetically created movie monsters to other film studios
>>1306847We need to colonize more planets is what we need. The system with the red giant and giant diamond has a bunch of planets to colonize but might be risky. Th>>1306853Incorrect. She's probing for weakness. She can attack whenever she wants she's just hesitating.
>>1306854I bet it sounds like a sports game>Hello ladies and gentlemen to the first ever Armageddon games.>Joining with me today is the amazing Lyle.>"Sup.">Today we have Berserk smiths facing off against The thing.
>>1306773A new projection appears, this time a crude engineering image showing various mechanical readouts, although most of it is vague or glossed over. The schematic is humanoid in appearance, a skinless, metallic skeleton filled with various compact gadgets and weaponry. There are a number of alternative images for limbs showing different designs and loadouts, with varying degrees of estimation and accuracy, either showing intricate details or vague estimations based on observed performance and hearsay."It's hard to find any concrete evidence they exist without taking a few crazies for their word. They break every cybernetics law ever written, and I have been hunting them down for years. Everything I've uncovered has brought me to this building." He turns to your clones as you examine the display. "I believe Senticom is using a government contract to produce and train special operations cyborg agents. They rarely leave witnesses, either because they are never seen or they kill everyone who saw it. I can count the number of people who have survived an encounter on one hand, and that's a generous estimate, not the ones I have evidence to support, and most people consider them a conspiracy theory, like the men in black or pre-spaceflight alien encounter stories of the early days of the Confederacy, only these are real. Any time the Union was on the brink, there was always some event, some disaster or catastrophic failure, some accident or bought of bad health that tipped the balance." He lightly hits the display with his cane for added emphasis, making the hologram flicker and become fuzzy for a moment. "I wonder just how many people would walk away from paradise when they see the price the Union paid for it. Only problem is, as you may have guessed, it's locked down tight. It would be easier to break into Windsor's private office in the middle of a work day than to get in there, and even if you do get in, who knows how you'd get out.""I don't think I like where you're going with this." Your clone says."I'd like you to help my team get in." He says as your clones groan in annoyance. "We have been collecting data on the facility for over a year now. We just need the firepower to get in and, hopefully, get out with the right data, while sabotaging what you can along the way." Kent hobbles a bit closer to your clones. "I'd pay what I can, but I saw you in the tunnels. You fight like a madman from Eridani with a grudge and nothing to lose. My men know the way in, they have the contacts, but they don't have augs like that.">Agree to help>Refuse>Demand a specific reward (write in)
>>1306885And now I've just remembered this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs2c94cHcdI>>1306877Ah, then it still might be a good idea to raid so she can't send probing forces.
>>1306890>Agree to helpHELL YES
>>1306892I think she's actually waiting for an attack in which case building up our fleet is the better option.
>>1306890>Agree to help[Shadowrunning intensifies]
>>1306890>Agree to help
>>1306890>pre-spaceflight alien encounter stories of the early days of the Confederacyyeah tottaly a conspirancy theory. Hahahahahahaha...
>>1306890How many damn former atmo-processors are there in New Tokyo? Gilliam is in one too.Also, I feel like we should borrow the Taidarens to 'repair something' we need help with... and adopt them in the Path sewer hive.
>>1306902Might be true, maybe use our new carrier fleets to lay an ambush just in case you're right.
>>1306890Sure.I hope eventually we get a spine-buddy for Kent, he's a trooper and with augs he'd make a good foil for Lyle.
>>1306890>Agree to helpWe can see about getting Theseus access while we're at it; I'm sure he'd love our gift.
We need to expand and build up our industry. For more ships, to wage more SPACE WAR.That and I'm craving some politics right now. All these side plots, the interview, the Alder assassination attempt, the Killinger-I CAN'T TAKE IT MAN. SO MANY THINGS TO DO, SO LITTLE TIME FOR QUEST TO RUN. MAH BODY CAN'T BE ANY MORE READY THAN THIS.
>>1306890>mumble about 2 agents fighting one
>>1306890So this is where Smiths come from?>Agree to helpMaybe we can nab something useful for ourselves or Theseus.
>>1306913Thats my only legit complaint about HQQ.So many things to do. So many plot thread to pursue, yet so little time.
>>1306890>Agree to helpWell need some time mabe ask if we can bring our employer in on the action. We can take the time to talk to Thessus about it
>>1306922I can't complain since QD has literally worked through having his heart explode in his chest and is still doing this shit. I have may favorites but any HQQ is good in my book.
>>1306890>Agree to helpOh boy i wonder how many experimental augs are in there.Is anyone tempted to send in a chimera just to rub it in Windsor's face?
>>1306917I mean we never took the chance to study the rest of Giles's body below the neck...
>>1306890As far as I can tell the only thing this job could maybe get us is something to help reading that Smith's memory, which isn't that important. We just aren't interested in the things that this Kent guy wants. What does it matter how the union governs themselves, as long as they don't get in our way.Although we could get him to help us with something else later I suppose.So if we do it, make it clear that he owes us. And we will also sneaky unity infect them.
>>1306935It will cement our alliance
>>1306890>Agree to helpJust the cheer amount of tech and research we can grab from this place is worth the assault. Also i'm pretty sure they might have something from BQ's wreckage inside that place. Our prophet's will do good work on the inside but we might want to lower the exposure of hive tech to this places cameras. I still think it's worth the risk.
>>1306935The Techs got a spinal USB cord for that I guess.
>>1306890>Agree to help>Demand a specific rewardFull access to any and all recovered intel. Also, either access to all analysis data of recovered tech, or we get to take the tech and we'll give them a copy of the full analysis data in return.It's time to see if the humans have learned any tricks worth replicating.
>>1306949>either access to all analysis data of recovered tech, or we get to take the tech and we'll give them a copy of the full analysis data in return.I agree with this part, changing to this.
>>1306890>>Agree to helpOffer his people augs, and ask that any assistance we give stay off the record. Fuck smiths.
>>1306890You know when we do this we should line it up with when the creep starts to get really bad in the lab.
>>1306935With all the parts from BQ's ships floating around space i bet those fuckers might have something equal to the recovered parts that Gilliam is working on, or something more relevant and or dangerous.
>>1306956Where will any augs be installed? Tell them to book it to Leeland?
2 questions, how big is a moderate relay and can we do the nausea field using a basic relay?
>>1306949Changing mine to this.
>>1306949If we really want a reward, we could use our own space unclaimed in the undercity to stake out, and not Kent's cots.
>>1306957I bet the creep incident will occour in this place. This way we can make Union second guess the company and make way for another one. Maybe our recently created corp? To take it's place.
>>1306949Wouldn't this be a given that this a joint op?
>>1306963They could rendezvous with one of our ships somewhere in space; it doesn't have to be hard.
>>1306968Why would a robotics and computer corporation research Bugs anon?
>>1306969Maybe, but it depends on how "joint" the op really is. He might just want us to be dumb hired muscle.The tech would be worth money so it's still a good cover if we want the clones to appear selfishly profit-motivated. If instead it's clear they work solely for the good of the Hive, it's still a plausible thing for the Hive to want (since it is literally what we want, aside from weakening the Union's political power base and their supply of Smiths).Trust depends on knowing what the other guy wants. If we ask for nothing that's more suspicious.
>>1306911I'd rather cut back on abusing parasites except where necessary, honestly. There's too much baggage that comes with using them on neutral or allied parties.>>1306973There's no way in hell he would agree to something extremely dangerous and abusable like that. He'd be rightly paranoid of our fucking with him or whatever units that he sends to be augged.
>>1306983Humans have a industry of millions involved in avoiding death or getting a diseases. Some alien race that has the abilitie to space fairying appears. They might try to reverse engennir something on a side note it might evne help then create better smiths.
>>1306998Yeah, but a computer company wouldn't have experience in xenobiology
>>1306991>abusingI don't understand.
Hold on i have another question, psionic imprinting allows us to remove memories right? Or at least surface memories?
>>1307003Not just a computer company is it? Need biologists and other specialties to make smiths after all
>>1306890>>Agree to helpMention the possibility of the hive providing Augs to the terrorists for this mission in exchange for some future actions on the hive's behalf.
>>1306890Your clones look at each other with concern, their minds passing a subtle stream of emotion between them."Alright." One of them says. "But you owe us, and our employers big time.""Understood." He says. "I assume they lack any form of human recognized currency, likely why they seem to have paid you in augments, so consider the favor owed. I don't know how you relay your status to your employers, but we will need some time still to organize a proper strike team, but with the city on high alert, it may offer us a distraction we can use to get in, if we can get past the added external security." Kent says. "So if you need to go to the surface for any broadcasts or make contact with any dead drop locations or field handlers, now is the time. Just make it quick."Cont.
>>1306991Actually allied parties is a toss up since they have a lot of benefits that come with them.>>1307005Not even remotely.
>>1307005Yes but it requires an advanced relay on planet and as far as I remember we don't have any drones on path
>>1307003A the same way a computer company wouldn't have a experience in human anatomy? What i'm trying to say is, nothing is assured that they JUST work with computer or tech and since they have being opening people up to see what could work. Nothin also says they don't have some private tech on their hands. >inb4 we face what is face from Deus EX.
>>1306983Biologically inspired engineering isn't exactly new thinking in the timeline of the quest.
>>1307020No psionic imprinting does not remove memories. It implants thoughts.
>>1307020Well damn, maybe we can put an advanced relay inside a van and move to the border of the facility for mind wiping then.>>1307025Is it psionic reading that allows it then? Sorry i got them confused.
>>1307026We have nothing that let's us remove memories anon.
>>1307014>Your clones look at each other with concern, their minds passing a subtle stream of emotion between them.I forget that humans have worries about their bodies and don't have the williness our drones have. Send a mental tap on the sholder so they can know we will take care of then.Time to send our boys some cool toys!!
>>1307034We blurred the memories that our human captives had of us before we released them
>>1307036Some flys and mabe a ghost beetle would be cool
>>1307042Not really. They were hibrenating most of the time.
>>1307036Pretty sure their bodies are already full of cool toys. Is there something specific more that they'll need that's worth the risk of sending another infiltration to the planet?There's the option of having something grow locally, but I don't know if we sent that capability with them, and I also don't know if it's worth exposing how directly they work for the Hive right now.
>>1307014>1305694 Hive Queen Quest 62.2 Trouble brews in the undercity of Path's sprawl as chaos spreads across the Union in more ways than one. Hive Queen Quest, Hivemind, Collective Game, Queen, Quest, sci fi 2017-03-27 2 Time for more chaos then.
>>1307048No obvious drones.
>>1307034Actually we can i just found the research i was thinking about, and ironically it was>Psionic Imprinting>Careful and very deliberate pulses of psionic energy can, under the right conditions, slightly alter the properties of real matter on the molecular level. Through this process of slight nudging, and by using Psionic Reading to develop an image of the mind being worked on, you can essentially trigger instinctive mental states or implant simple ideas into the target mind. The more simple the idea, the easier it is to implant, such as the overwhelming notion that something is a bad idea, suppressing a fight or flight response to calm a target down, or confusing the mind's perception of its surroundings to manipulate its perceived navigation of an environment, sending them in circles they could swear is a straight path. Such ideas can be implanted within a range of 5 meters and requires a direct line of sight. More complex ideas require greater effort, requiring some focus or distraction to help nudge the target's thought process, such as a speaker or agent stating the idea verbally in conjunction with the impressed sensation of agreement. Such complex manipulations allow for the adjustment of a target's opinion of a subject or other target, the erasing of a recent memory, or a detailed verbal command instructing the target to perform some non-dangerous action. Failure to imprint on a target may result in the target becoming aware of the attempted influence.>the erasing of a recent memory
>>1307057Did it ever end?
>>1307053I was thinking just some guns if they don't have anything more punching then a side arm with then.
>>1307053Also, even if we let Kent know that they're definitely packing Hive biology, we don't want to let the Union know they got hit with anything from the Hive. We can't leave behind any evidence of Hive tech in this op.
>>1307023"inspiration" is not the same as "even having the lab equipment that a xeno entomologist would need in the first place."That's not how it works. Biologists figure out the biology, then engineers take inspiration from it after it's established. You think Microsoft takes in exotic species to check if their brain has inspiration for them?
>>1307071My boss brought an Emu into the office to inspire our HR rep to transfer. Something like that count?
>>1307067Luckly we can use >>1307064To disguise the details of our augs.
>>1307067I thought we could 'copy', make then less bio-tech looking, guns. At least is what i though.
>>1307083Was he Australian?
>>1307086Yes, actually... good guess.
>>1307084That would require an appropriate drone within like 5 meters of every witness.It would be easier to pack parasites and stick them in witnesses when the others aren't looking.
>>1307066Mabe we could make a swiss army knife with or light tech photon blades with multiple presets a blaster pistol and laser function and a holographic display that could be used as makeshift camouflage?
>>1307071Somebody hasn't read about the mechanical inspirations gleaned from horse anuses.
>>1307108I don't see the contradiction.
>>1307071Well, good thing Senticom is a research and development company.
>>1307093How big is a medium relay? If it can fit inside our hybrids they can use the psionic imprinting to sneak in, read minds for passwords/information, hide their hive features and anything else i couldn't think of.
>>1307117A medium relay's the size of a medium drone. It's pretty large.
>>1307085That's true, but we'd have to either grow some kind of bio-fabber-thing on site (not sure we sent anything that can do it, and I'm not sure we want to use Hive tech that directly in front of Kent or not), or fab them off-site and smuggle them in. Getting where we are without being ID'd as Hive wasn't easy.
>>1307117Medium relays are big anon.
>>1307120Not really a medium relay can fit in our queen so it would fit in most drone sizes
>>1307120>>1307124Just checked the pastebin Moderate: The same variant as the queen. Can receive and transmit thoughts over vast distances. Coverage can cover most planets with ease, and reach into low orbit. Is free for the Queen only. (50N)It can fit.
>>1307123I recall our agets have IDs now. they got them from the Gemini taiden and used them to travel to Path.
>>1307128Queens are big anonWe got a big butt and it dont lie
>>1307127That's because the Queen has a gigantic headress that serves as a relay. Anything that obviously hive is too risky to send on this mission. Even if we can mind-wipe everyone there will be cameras. And the stream for those cameras may be sent via quantum uplink to a place we can't easily reach. Theseus may be able to hack into and remove/edit the footage, but that's a big maybe and until we know for sure I don't want anything obviously hive in the op.I'd be okay with giving these guys some medium/light exo armor and some hive heavy firepower, but we'd need to be really sure to disguise it first. Maybe we should get Theseus in on this op? I'm sure he'd love to get his robotic hands on Union Smith research.
>>1307127All psionic relays can fit on a standard medium-sized drone but moderate and advanced can't be shrunk down to small size.
>>1307110I misread your argument and thought you were claiming something different. Mea culpa.That said, it's not unreasonable to suppose a clandestine complex connected to Smith development would have a materials research division that might end up seeing alien materials.
>>1307137The medium relay in in our head so it can fit in a human/parasite head too.You don't need to tell me about our big royal butt.
>>1307145Our head is big too anon Really big eyes and lips to die for
>>1307145It won't. It's come up before in the quest and we've had a long discussion about it. It wouldn't work.
>>1307139>That's because the Queen has a gigantic headress that serves as a relay. Anything that obviously hive is too risky to send on this mission. Even if we can mind-wipe everyone there will be cameras. And the stream for those cameras may be sent via quantum uplink to a place we can't easily reach. Theseus may be able to hack into and remove/edit the footage, but that's a big maybe and until we know for sure I don't want anything obviously hive in the op.The same can be said of our agents augs, and maybe we can put the medium relay on our parasite instead of the agents themselves.
>>1307145Nope QD has explicitly said small drones can't moderate relays.
>>1307145that means the queens head is the size of a medium drone. that would be a weird looking Human Clone with a head about the same size as his body.
>>1307140>>1307151>>1307155Ah, thanks for telling me.
>>1307145>it can fit in a human/parasite head too>it can fit on someone both 2 meters tall and on someone 4cm tallOne of these things is not like the others.
We have like, 12 QD posts and over 400 anon posts. Feels good to know QD is still here, alive and well
>>1307157Dude the medium relay can fit in a drone's head the relay itself is not drone size.
>>1307162Last thread was a 1100 to 30 qm postsHad over a 100 unique posters too We still have anons incoming
Actually we do have an implant for giving a clone psionic powers but it's not cheap
>>1307014The news zooms in on a crowd of protesters, fires growing amid piles of trash, the remains of protest signs, and vehicles lines along the roadside or abandoned in the center of the angry mob. Someone throws a flaming bottle from the crowd and it impacts a police line nearby in a burst of flaming fuel, coating the riot shields in burning liquid as they fire into the crowd with various non-lethal munitions, gas billowing from canisters and blood staining the masked, hooded figures as rubble bullets knock several to the ground. The front line of the riot leap back, trampling those behind as a geyser of pepper spray flies from a rifle sized hose and coats them head to toe as a crescendo of screams ripple across the streets, and then two more of the fuel filled bottles explode between the police.Lee watches with concern at the live footage, the echo of firearm discharges in the distance merging with the chaos of the holoscreen as the districts of New Prescott devolve into outright bedlam. Several sonic booms rattle the windows as your perimeter guards track several squads of drop troopers fall upon the city near areas where smoke billows up from between the high rise buildings and public housing blocks."This is an inefficient use of worker activity." Your speaker chirps, Lee glairs at the drone for a moment."I think they know that." He says. He flinches at what sounds like an explosion nearby that shakes the windows with a quick, deep boom that sounds worryingly close, but your guards triangulate as merely being echoes from the nearby buildings, the actual source being nearly at the edge of the Capital district.Lang walks in, his face tense and his hair unkempt. It is clear he has not slept since your official arrival."I've compiled a shortlist of news agencies for potential good, but balanced, coverage, and passed out your offer of a public statement." He says, Lee mutes the holoscreen as he looks over the list, crossing out several of them in mild disapproval."Great, who sent in requests?" He asks."Everyone." Lang replies. He hands Lee a datapad. "Every local news station, several late night shows, and seven thousand independant reporters and counting as well as every system wide network. We're still getting requests in from outside the system since the Q-com network is still not back up to full capacity, but it looks like all of them as well." Lee simply double takes as he attempts to read through the list. "Those are just the networks I can think of off the top of my head I felt would be most appropriate.""I didn't even know there were that many reporters in the system." Lee says. Even as the muted news hologram shows the burning of some distant district, the replays of your arrival replays in a small image in the corner for the seventh time today.>Organize and plan your public appearance>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament>Have Lang contact a local politician (write in)>Other
>>1307162QD's said capcha is fucking him over tonight. Hopefully it won't be a reoccurring problem. Also, this is an extremely popular quest. It will get lots of discussion.
>>1307173>Organize and plan your public appearance
>>1307173I wonder how hard it would be to meet Killinger, record the scent of his bodyguards, and track down those scents after their shift ends.
>>1307174Yea, no exaggeration I had to re-do the captcha up to ten times for some of these, and each time it would just load for like twenty seconds before telling me it failed to connect.Again, the problem is on my end though, I've had to restart my router twice tonight. Sorry about that.
>>1307173>>Organize and plan your public appearance>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
>>1307173>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
>>1307185We don't want Killinger dead yet, not until Talgo is confirmed clean.
>>1307173>Organize and plan your public appearance>Help Lee plan for his appearance before ParliamentIf we can't do both do the first.
>>1307173>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament>>Have Lang contact a local politician (write in)Alder. Now would be a fine time to let her know that the security council tried to assassinate her.
>>1307173>Help Lee plan for his appearance before ParliamentIsn't Parliament meeting like, right now, to discuss our "proposal" on the Expanse? We really need to explain some things to them in private before we go public. The outcry over our demand for the Expanse will be immense. We can explain ourselves after the politicians vote for it.HOWEVER, if the Expanse vote will be delayed for a while (like a few days to a week), then I think we should do a public appearance to keep the panic from spreading and to try and get at least some goodwill (or at least not active terror and animosity) out there. We do have a lot of explaining to do.
>>1307173>Have Lang contact a local politician (write in)Get me Alex Jones.
>>1307173>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before ParliamentThis. Lee needs to not spill his spaghetti and he's such a nervous child.
>>1307197We can condemn Killinger to a fate worse than death for (literally) eternity. But for now he is far more useful as a corrupt politician we have a mountain of dirt on than as a forgotten corpse that has been replaced by a religious fanatic.
>>1307197>Speaker shows up to meeting with Killinger>offers him a box with airholes>Secret service open and find kittens>Speaker: "To replace the cat you got rid of.">The kittens are spies
>>1307205Actually we only really need to take three systems and we could allow Union civilians to take refuge in our territories.
>>1307173Shouldn't we release a public statement or something?
Something i've noticed is our speakers sound a bit silly at times or ominous in a cliche way or just dense, but i've also seen us be very direct and aware. I like to think that the Red Queen gives the speakers enough attention to speak about her general intentions, but if she wished she could cut the bullshit and the person in front of the speaker would be speaking to the Queen herself,no speaker speaking. But thats only when she wants to get serious and since shes a cheeky bugger, thats rare, though this conference will probably require the Queen to give the speaker better instructions.
>>1307226Oh shit this.This we must do.Maybe even get one for Lee.
>>1307173Oh gosh I just thought of our speaker at a tonight show with Conan I don't know if that would be funny or if it would just be embarrassing
>>1307235I've also thought that, it's quite nice.
>>1307226No spy kittens, just regular ones.He'll lose his shit trying to figure out what our trick was.
>>1307216>"I don't want chemicals in my protein vats that turn Taidaren gay!"
>>1307243Conan the barbarian has a talk show?
>>1307236>>1307238No you damn retards. We will not.
>>1307173>Organize and plan your public appearance>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament>>1307226That does sound fun.>>1307235Yeah it would make sense given the varying different attitudes speakers have had, all depending on mood and what's actually seen as "serious" by the Red Queen.
>>1307256Please have our speaker go to a computer to shitpost images of this everywhere.PLEASE
>>1307226I vote for this
>>1307226This will instantly tell him that we were aware of what was happening there, and that the hive is connected everywhere. You really want to blow that critical piece of intel on a joke?
>>1307245To be honest I've always waited for the moment when someone realises that thier talking to the queen and not some random speaker it will be awesome >>1307253Lets be honest hed drown them out of spite
>>1307253Now that's actually a better idea.Imagine the xeno political analysts trying to figure it out for themselves. I'd bet they'd really overthink the significance of our species gifting a littler of young pets.
>>1307235We're cheeky space bugs. Speakers aren't dumb, but they're made to be bright and a little fluffy and non-threatening, so they're probably made to sound a bit silly/childish. That way other races let more slip because they think Speakers are dumb bug-children.
>>1307267They would have the red queen blow her brains out for a joke at this rate.
>>1307255Its the year 4000 or something someone is doing it the laws of the Internet demand it (also im tiered and very bad at names)
>>1307267>>1307226Remind me of when this cat was gotten rid of, and what admitting knowledge of that event would imply.
>>1307267Not really, the reference was from the lab where the hives presence was known, the fact we know despite it supposedly not being possible could be from anything between super hearing to spies to mind reading; it wouldn't tell him shit but it would scare the hell out of him.
>>1307273No its more because our drones are all autistic by nature if we gave mouth parts to a heavy worrior it would sound the same
>>1307284Killenger mentioned it when our drones wer ein the union lab, the lab that got nuked
>>1307284When Killinger had Lyle "capture" the Speaker and Workers for Seiner he said something along the lines of "You know how I dealt with a disobedient cat? I got rid of it"
>>1307286If you're saying we should then that means we shouldn't.
>>1307284It's a reference to our first meeting with Killinger. When he thought he was out of earshot he basically called us a bunch of cockroaches and flash froze our drones for shits and giggles. Telling him about the cat will reveal that we planned that whole shinding, were in contact with our drones the entire time, and that we have surveillance measures far beyond what the Union is capable of.
>>1307284Back when we sent those quantum drones with Lyle to get dissected, killinger showed up for the first time and mentioned "If you want to make a cat behave you get rid of them."I think it was that moment we began to hate him.
>>1307284It was in the facility that got nuked. and it would be great because Killinger would be the only one who would know what it meant. It would fuck with him so hard!
>>1307284it's from the lab where they abducted our drones to, he said something like he had a cat that would claw at shit all the time so he got rid of it. It was from a different room so worst case it implies small or invisible spies.
>>1307296I answered his question.
>>1307299>I think it was that moment we began to hate himI think QD even mentioned noticing that. Guess that's what happens when you speak about abusing a cat on the internet
>>1307297That would also bring attention to our flies.
>>1307286>>1307304Since when did the playerbase give this little of a shit about espionage? We used to have a lick of common sense about concealing ourselves from the Union, and all you care about is making a stupid joke one single person is going to get, and we won't even be able to view his reaction.
>>1307306not really. I mean it could be mind reading or super hearing or maybe one of the techs talked or we stole his corpse and memories or 100 other ways the information could have gotten out. I can't foresee any way it could go wrong and it would definitely fuck with him.
>>1307173>>OtherWait.Have we still not gotten a catalog from Windsor of just how many dark crystals they've found, where they them, and whether they're sure they haven't lost track of any of them?We really gotta talk to him about that...
>>1307226I just thought up something to improve this.We should send the original dissection speaker to the parliament to hand him these kittens.
Whatever we decide to do we need our speaker to try to eat at least one microphone at the press conference. Also somewhere midway it should request a barrel of honey.
>>1307316Um... hate to break it to you, but hes dead jim.
>>1307313And I'm sure he'll tell us.>>1307319Oh right, it was only our workers that got out.
>>1307317Or a soda, honey is too sticky and messy for parliament.
>>1307304You consistently spouted stupid shit throughout this thread. You think I'll trust your judgement.>>1307311I'm not joking when I say the playerbase has become shit.
>>1307311Honestly there's not much he could do about it he has no evidence against us and he can't link it to us with out damaging his career and on top of that chill man were just shooting the shit while we wait for QD
>>1307328>I'm not joking when I say the playerbase has become shit.When did this happen? It's like akun tier in here, and it seems like half the anons haven't played this quest before this year.
>>1307328Seriously? This is an act on par with the lighter jokes. they know we were messing with them throughout the tests. We can just toss in Communications drone 34821337 aka Sally was quite distraught after it overheard his tragic loss. tracks covered - cheeky unleashed
>>1307335Do you really think Killinger gives a shit about evidence? He's got an army of fucking terminators on hand.
>>1307337The hiatus and quest ban killed the quality of the playerbase. People don't even care enough to use the fucking wiki.
>>1307328>You consistently spouted stupid shit throughout this thread. You think I'll trust your judgement.The fuck is with this sudden hostility? What did i do to you?
>>1307328>>1307337>>1307345People have been putting forth jokes in banter that don't get a pass when it comes to the actual vote since thread 8. Remember couches and the silly useless ideas for designer pets?This is like that, it's banter, it's not really happening.It's not new at all, not even your negative reaction to it is new.
>>1307346the guy thinks he runs the direction of the quest but doesn't seem to remember that a good third of our interactions with anyone have been being a cheeky cunt.
>>1307343Any joke the reveals our capabilities is a shit and something the Union can take advantage of. So you can fuck off with this stupidity.
>>1307346They're one of the resident salty anons.they're mad at people having some banter and a good time
>>1307349I think there may be slightly more cheek discussion as of late, but by and large I agree with you. Negative overreactions don't go anywhere and are generally not fun.
>>1307349I always the couch joke was painfully stupid but it didn't reveal our abilities.
>>1307353I remember those guys, they complained about the Lee lighter jokes too.
>>1307351They know we have radio transmission capabilities, and are wicked smart. we could even just let him know that our workers would like to thank him for his hospitality though they wanted to know if the thermonuclear detonation is standard farewell procedure. it would explain the nukes left in orbit that one time when they left. Maximum cheek maximum fuck with the Killinger.
>>1307360Shove it up your ass. You don't care if you fuck us over or not only if you get unfunny jokes.
>>1307349But here people seem to be seriously arguing for just...reveling our own advanced observational and espionage abilities for nothing more than a joke. And after the shitshow and Nowhere I can't tell when anons are genuinely okay with revealing something we have fought hard to hide from humanity for shits and giggles.
>>1307369You seem to be under the impression that we would seriously vote for an admittedly bad joke when it came down to itI say this being the one who came up with the joke and know it would be a bad idea. You need to chill my man, everyone here is here for some fun and making jokes is a part of that even if you don't want it to be
>>1307344No he doesn't for what its worth the union is a democracy and even Kingler has his checks and balances >>1307356What do you mean it reveled are ability to make upholstery
>>1307357You see, the lighter thing was funny because it was totally harmless. The worst that could happen with that was that Lee would get a hand slap. If anything it would have helped obscure our advanced nature by making us seem more primitive than we really were. This whole thing about Killinger's cats would actually bite us in the ass if anons voted to do it, and a lot of people seem sold on the idea.
The joke is stupid and a bad idea. That being said, if we make a drone that looks just like one of the ones we sent out, claim it was one of the ones that got labbed, and have it deliver the kittens, we can avoid revealing tachcomms. They'll just know we somehow got the drones out of the lab and off-planet.
>>1307351Calm your tits, most of the people joking about it would panic and reverse course if it actually appeared in the next vote.You and that other guy are getting worked up over something that wasn't really serious to begin with.
>>1307372Anons do not know how to control themselves when making a joke. It important to remind the retards they are not in good company.
>>1307370its just rVyOS1Z4 being salty.It realy wouldn't reveal with any certainty that we have any ability beyond some maner to intercept communications from our drones while they were faking being primitive critters. which we showed we could easily do when we relayed the distress call in the beginning of the quest and blinked a massive fleet into their most defended system in a literal flash.
>>1307382goddamn you are insufferable
>>1307382But aren't you essentially making yourself squirm over nothing? You don't believe you're overreacting?It's almost like you're baiting people to take the bad joke too far just out of spite.
>>1307173"The Lee will be speaking with Union speakers soon."You mean Parliament." Lee says as your drone chitters in affirmation."Yes. Like speakers, but worse in all ways." Your drone replies. Lee shrugs."Well, you probably have a point." He says. "But anyways, I'm going to have to be the one to tell the full parliament you plan on, uh, well you know..." He says as he eyes Lang."The motion is already put forward. I'm not going to leak it to the press, if that's what you're worried about, although I doubt it will last long before one of the representatives do." Lang says. "So far, nobody outside of the parliament building knows, or should know at least, that you have claimed sovereignty over the Expanse, and until you give your official statement Parliament is technically not allowed to debate it." He continues. "At least not in any official capacity on the floor in an open session. Right now I think they're in an emergency security meeting regarding the unfolding civil unrest, but beyond that they have been going through various amendments and editing for the consolidation bill.""That sounds great, I guess." Lee says. "Honestly, I'm not sure I want to know what those crowds are going to do if they don't even know that news yet. They're already torching the streets." Lang examines the holoscreen for a short moment."Well, I can get a speechwriter on hand if you want." He says."No, I'd prefer this be more accurate to what the Hive is asking. I don't think putting it through some political filter would help much when everyone already seems sick of political horse shit." Lee says. "If you'll pardon the expression." He turns to your speaker as Lang turns to leave with his data pad in hand, writing frantically through news articles and filtering requests for statements and interviews."The speaker can speak with you. Extra speaking is better!" Your drone chirps.""Thanks, I guess." Lee says.>Help him with mental support (write in)>Have the speaker assist in person (write in)>Other
>>1307373>No he doesn't for what its worth the union is a democracy and even Kingler has his checks and balancesThe very same checks and balances that should have stopped his pet lab project before it even started?
>>1307394>Have the speaker assist in person
>>1307394>>Have the speaker assist in person>>Other"Why are human workers rioting now? How will they take the news of the hives claims to the expanse?"
>>1307397It wasn't just his pet lab project, they might do this to all primitive species.also i recall they had to vote to send a smith.
>>1307394Is it really a speaker? Didn't we send a Diplomat? Those things are much cooler.
>>1307394Wait is this the big one? Is the hive going to finally stand infront of parliment? Oh fuck yes we are sending a speaker
>>1307389>>1307391>Implying people me are not a necessary evil in preventing the encroachment of stupidlyYou merely adopted the jokes anon.
>>1307394>>Have the speaker assist in person (write in)Adds to the importance when one of our own is there speaking alongside him
>>1307403yeah pretty sure it's the Ambassador type with the bipedal legs that make it look like a freaky version of the Luminoth
>>1307394>Have the speaker assist in person.
>>1307394>>Have the speaker assist in person."Speaker is made for speaking! Speaker will speak important words for Mother! Speaker will help friend Lee!"
>>1307402I was actually refering to the lab where they were testing psionics on all forms of known sentient life (including Lee). And killing them in the process.Wonder how many sub committees he had to negotiation to get that one through.
>>1307394>Help him with mental support (write in)Remind him that hes managed to endure and survive some interesting and dangerous things. Tell him to speak from his inefficient single heart and he should do fine.
>>1307411Wasn't the entire counsel in on that? didn't expect killinger to lead psionic research.
>>1307394>Have the speaker assist in personLee will do the introductions to the hive and state whatever kind of relations the hive wishes to have. We will do the serious galaxy ending talk. Lee will be the guy that gives you the burnt cake with nice icing and decorations, we will give the burnt cake. Blunt and to the point, the hive does not sugar-coat things like union speakers.
Actually how about we add a fake queen at the last minute just to fuck with everybody?We are going to an important event.
>>1307421Too much for now
>>1307014Theseus might want to be in on this one if we assault the Smith fortress. Especially since the tech that created him originates here and possibly has a goldmine of info that would be useful. We could invite him to help infiltrate and infect this place.
>>1307428Good point, we can get him in on this gig. Although we'll have to avoid letting Kent find out, of course.
>>1307416>, the hive does not sugar-coat things like union speakers.Except the cake is made entirely of sugar. sugar is delicious why would you not coat everything with it.but I agree Serious Speaker Speaking Seriously
>>1307424RIOTS IN THE STREETS OF GEMINIRIOTS IN THE THREAD
>>1307421The more you post the more I think you're a literal retard. I truly hope this is an act.
>>1307428>>1307429Third. There are things Theseus could do with our help that we'd never get done alone.He might even get a serious leg up on the Union's data security efforts. There's an arms race right now between him trying to keep infiltration up and the Union trying to shut it down.
>>1307394>Have the speaker assist in personReiterate our points and make it clear that we have a very good reason for needing these planets (citing the incident at Nowhere), and while we regret having to step on the Union's toes we are going to have to have them, one way or another.
>>1307428I agree with this.
>>1307428They probably planned for unity infections, And if they are building AI here and Theseus version we upload may be killed immediately Remember what they did to Sat Theseus? and how we had to kill him cause of it?
>>1307394>Help him with mental support (write in)The Speaker should NOT speak when presenting this, since we're basically taking human worlds.Mention these points:* Humanity, through no fault of its own, has found itself in the middle of a military conflict between the Black Hive and the Red Hive.* This conflict goes back over 40,000 earth years, when the Skyl and the various other Hives inhabited the region humanity calls the Expanse* In an act of betrayal, the Black Hive destroyed most of the hives, and has since sought to exterminate the remaining ones.* Mere months ago, the last fleet of the White Hive was destroyed. The Red Hive now carries the legacy.* The Black Hive will stop at nothing to destroy all life. The Black Queen does not negotiate, they take no prisoners, and they will eradicate entire biospheres and consume everything, only to build more dark fleets* Human technology, while advanced, is extremely expensive compared to Hive technology. A human battleship represents decades of investment, training, and construction. A Hive battleship can be replaced in whole within a week.* To this end, the Red Hive is requesting access to the Expanse, as it needs more resources in order to fight the Black Hive despite their 40,000 year head start.* Make no mistake, the Black Hive's destruction is not measured in terms of individuals, but in terms of hundreds of biospheres.
>>1307416Good idea. The good old good-cop, bad-cop approach. Anyone have thoughts on if we should say anything beyond what we previously said to Morgan?
>>1307428Fourth'd for when we come to it.
>>1307435I'm sorry i gave you cancer with my mere presence anon.
>>1307406I was born in it molded by it. I didn't see the joke till i was a man but by then it was nothing to me but annoying.
>>1307441A new Theseus instance would be no loss if it fails. When we're on the inside we can physically plant things that would help or even just directly insert a Theseus instance past their defences.If it's a bad idea Theseus will tell us so.
>>1307428Actually would this and that banked favor be enough to have him give us his FTL tech?
>>1307428Yeah, he'd love this. This is one of the main areas they do anti AI research too right? Anything we can get for him would be highly valued.
>>1307447You're a big joke
>>1307394>Have the speaker assist in personWasn't there a plan for this last thread?
>>1307442Oh hell no son, we ain't telling them our life story in public, they wouldnt be able to handle it. Their cities are burning as is.
>>1307442Remove >* To this end, the Red Hive is requesting access to the Expanse, as it needs more resources in order to fight the Black Hive despite their 40,000 year head start.If we tell them what it's for they'll know it's true value to us and demand greater benefits on their end.
>>1307461Do you have a suggestion as to what we SHOULD say? Seeing as how this is the "figure out what we're going to say" part of the whole thing?
>>1307461especially that part about us making Jesus. really we should stay vague and enigmatic.
>>1307442We might be able to tell the security council this, but the televised parliament...no.
>>1307457Thank you I try
>>1307467How about these systems belong to our kind and their is another hive on the other side of us that is hostile to other life and we require the planets to mount an effective defense. No need for exposition.
>>1307470Security council is full of Killinger's cronies though. Actually, so is the parliament aside from that Alder chick and the priest dude
>>1307470Why not? How long do you plan on keeping the Black Hive hidden from Humanity?
>>1307467I liked that bit about us being able to replace a battleship in a week, but that should be said if they're being stubborn.Other than that it's a matter of keeping them on the backfoot so we should prioritize things that makes us superior and in the right, like our (Species) age, how the union fucked up at nowhere(No details), the fack the black queen is genocidal, ancestral grounds(We have the map to prove it).
>>1307477All the more reason to scare the masses so that their government has to act on it to make them not as terrified.
>>1307477They didn seem so much like cronies as people who knew some of each others dirty secrets and tried to bail them out or else the whole government would fall apart.>>1307478Refer to follow-up post >>1307475
>>1307478>>1307470IIRC the Union is already aware of the existence of another Hive faction. I think the question is how much we should couch this in terms of "we need the Expanse because of an ancient war that we're currently losing". One concern I have is that it might push them to try to contact the Obsidian Queen, if only because they think she's going to win.
>>1307467*We have inhabited the region you know as the expanse millennia before you arrived in it*A collosal war between the hives and the dark hive forced our withdrawl*Your fucking around with the relics we left there have called the attention of the dark hive, who will probably start trying to kick your collective teeth in soon*We're taking the expanse back, because we are outraged with the abuses the Union have made with our tech and graves*We do not believe you are capable of defending the expanse and its inhabitants from the dark hive, so we will command its defense. There, no mention of THAT WHICH CANNOT BE NAMED or of ancient hive gene modification of archaic humans. We let either of those two snippets loose there will be a revolution in the Union.
>>1307475See >>1307466Unless we have to mention it I'd rather stay with the ancestral grounds excuse.
>>1307486>it might push them to try to contact the Obsidian QueenShe won't be capable of hearing them due to lack of any kind of radio receivers or understandings of protocol and would just slaughter them.
>>1307487Well that's not bad. Sounds good to me.
>>1307442>* Human technology, while advanced, is extremely expensive compared to Hive technology. A human battleship represents decades of investment, training, and construction. A Hive battleship can be replaced in whole within a week.Anon, anon no. Why would we describe our greatest military and logistical advantages over the Union? That's insane.
We gonna scare the fuck out of them no matter what we say since we had dropped a fleet capable of ripping thur there whole expanse fleet on there capital Just accept and enjoy playing as Attila the Hun in this case since no matter what reasons we give will be tossed out by how big our guns are
>>1307487This is much better, and I think it gets to the primary points quicker.All of the questions they'd have from these are also ones we can mostly answer without repercussions for ourselves.
>>1307487This is good."We leave for just 1,000 years to fight a war and someone ends up squatting in your house/grave.
>>1307486OQ dosent seem like the kind of person that negotiates. They should stop any major effort after she destroys any ships that come near her.
>>1307487I think this is better because it gives up fewer points that are crucial intel and/or could turn the Union either totally upside down or against us.They've already seen our military power, so absent any huge mind-shattering reasons to do so they're not doing to oppose our claim with outright war.
My theory on what we should say:"For a long time the hive has been content to watch you grow as a younger race. But that time now is at an end. We were willing to forgive and have forgiven countless slights, insults, and foolishness.We did not wish for first contact to be this way, but it is necessary. Recent Union experimentation on artifacts from the Expanse has gone too far and very nearly doomed us all. It is clear you have no idea what forces you are meddling with, and so like a child with a gun those forces will be removed from you.The entirety of the Expanse region contains historical worlds belonging to ancient hives and our allies. To ensure no further misuse of those artifacts and sites we are requesting that the Union entirely withdraw their governmental presence on those worlds effective immediately.The humans can stay and are free to form their own governments. We welcome peace and friendship with the young human race and those you have nurtured. But this is something we must have.Know that our demand stems not from greed or honor, but from pure necessity. Already the actions you have taken have alerted a great horror to your presence. A war beyond anything you have seen looms on the horizon and a hive presence on these worlds is necessary to stave off your extinction.However, we are not without empathy. Just as the Lee gave fire to us when he perceived us as a lesser species, so too shall we share greater gifts with you. We are offering a cure for all diseases and ailments, as well as the best medical care in the galaxy. We are also open to specific negotiations regarding your governments withdraw and what you would like from us to make this an equitable transaction."Thoughts?
>>1307487Yeah, this seems to be generally decent and hits the main points, given our restraints.
By the way we should set up some large sirens around our embassy just in case a riot shows up.
>>1307501It was fine up until >Know that our demand stems not from greed or honor, but from pure necessityCut off everything including and after that sentence and it's good.
>>1307501I fear the implications of mentioning the void horrors directly to Parliament. Keep in mind virtually anything we say in there is going to be leaked to the wider public, and anything involving cthulus and the stupid decisions of the security council will be front page news by next morning.
>>1307501To patronizing and gonna scare and piss off the masses either moreThe promises will cause economic and spiritual upheaval
>>1307487Heres another thing to add is that the Scavengers are going to eventually invade the Expanse.
>>1307506Oh yeah. Unorganized potentially violent riots and more dangerous organized riots along with probably extrasolar colonization business lobbyists asking for reparations and whatnot.This speech will also attract opportunists of the chaos from all sides, and it's gonna do rounds all around union territory.Should be fun.>>1307501I do not think we should play the panacea card at this moment.
>>1307516Yeah, if we have the opportunity we should add this. There's more than one hostile force in trying to stake their claim in the expanse... and we're most likely going to take the brunt of their expansion efforts ourselves anyways.
>>1307487I could definitely get behind this. But I do think we should let them know we're willing to provide good/services/medicine in exchange for the withdrawal. We're not just taking it and not giving the Union anything.
>>1307516The Commonwealth certainly knows about the Scavengers. Does the Union? And is it public knowledge or classified?
>>1307525How about putting it in terms of opening up trade and having good diplomatic relations, rather than just handing them stuff in direct compensation?
>>1307487>>1307501I think the problem is that ya guys are writing this with the expectation that if we give somewhat logical reason they will accept it and understand Right now the masses are panicking and will not allow the leadership to accept any type of giving in to us right now without a obvious and painful show of why they should hand over the expanse And any promise will be declared lies and a try to brainwash and corrupt innocent pure citizens and cause untold social/economical damage
Here is a writein in case they remain stubborn."I don't believe you properly understand the danger you have exposed yourselves to, this is not a conventional war you are entering this is a approaching cataclysm. If you were to compare the coming ruin to a colony drop it would not equal 1 1 thousandth of the impending destruction. There will be no diplomacy, no easy victory, it will be long and will demand billions of lives for its end. you will have to choose between survival or death, eternal enslavement or extinction."
>>1307532They've already seen that obvious and painful show. They're currently rioting in fear of it and/or protest against the current regime.
>>1307529Maybe, but promises are not that tangible. It will take a long time for "trade" and "diplomatic" benefits to be rewarding. Meanwhile, we're asking for a massive chunk of territory NOW. I think asking them what they're willing to accept in exchange would definitely put them off guard and may make us out as more reasonable.I hope their population understands that attacking the orbiting fleet is suicide. Parliament certainly understands that.
>>1307535Instead of just trying to get it across in words, I'd point them to the disaster at Nowhere. They've got footage of a Unity Server Ship being blasted right in half in seconds.
>>1307487No, I don't think we should concentrate on OQ. That makes it seem like just some internal squabble spilling over. Why should it concern them? Instead just mention a powerful enemy that controls both the OQ and the Ceph and bent on all our destruction and leave it at that. That's more relatable to them since they already deal with Ceph raids, so having another asshole powerful insect race followup the Ceph raids should scare them and make them more amenable to joining our side. It also informs them that this shit is way bigger that they can imagine without actually telling them all that much.
>>1307529If they're open to the idea it seems an obvious yes.Still hoping they don't just go ahead and make the absolutely worst possible decision they can make for themselves, with outright hostility and refusals.Or their bartering attempts will be just plain sad.
>>1307525>>1307501We should not be offering them anything yet. If they want something in return then they will have to ask. When in negotiations from a stronger position you don't offer first, just because they might not even ask for it.
>>1307535Sums it up nicely.
>>1307532Then in that case we should right out terraform one of their planets for free. Eridani or Leto should be good.
>>1307532Basically plan around the fact we need to do this but it not going go anywhere looking nice or cleanWe should aim at just controlled damage >>1307536No they haven't, they feel it after Path is destroyed by spores but right now they haven't
>>1307542We're trying to help cover that up, not spread it.
>>1307543>and the CephThey'll never buy that until the Ceph betray them.Best to keep the Ceph enmity to ourselves.
>>1307542No, hinting at void gods in such an obvious manner is bad.My writein has the advantage of being vague enough the people can think we're talking about OQ.
>>1307535Eh, I've got a better writein. "We can cure aging".
>>1307544If they flat-out refuse and can't be budged, we just take the planets. A cold war would start, but probably not a hot one.
>>1307543A reminder that the OQ nearly glassed half of Path.
>>1307552They'll never buy that until the Ceph betray them.Mate the ceph have been raiding them.
>>1307535That's a good write in if they shoot down our friendlier explanations.
>>1307552The Ceph are raiders that attack everyone. The "blind" refugees in the Union don't count/
>>1307542I suppose we can play that trump card if forced to. I'd rather keep that secret information on a need to know basis if possible, though.
>>1307556This is our best result i think since there is no way for them agree with our demands and keep there jobs >>1307557Under an information block out with us distracting them on the capital and commonwealth invasion
>>1307558Yeah, IIRC the Union currently has the problem of not being able to capture any Ceph ships because they always self-destruct.
>>1307558>>1307562Right, I don't know what I was thinking of.
Why not openly offer to terraform their uninhabitable planets?
>>1307569I guess we can drop that in somewhere, kind of as a "since we're taking some planets, we can terraform some others for you, based on your exact specifications."
>>1307569Because that would be giving the union free shit, and the current administration needs to not get the credit of welcoming the magic bug saviors in effect locking their election wins for the foreseeable future.Seriously, are you actually Killenger? you dont want us to prank him and you want us to just hand the union valuable material.
>>1307569Cause they ain't concerned with expansion during a invasion And given the masses will see us a invaders and dont trust our tech they will not tolerate it during this emotional time
>>1307569Seems like a lot of work for ...? I mean they have plenty of space, they are just wanting to expand for resources and politics.
>>1307569I'd like to see their initial reaction first, because I don't want them to try to barter up from that deal and we have more leverage if we offer it as a response to a reaction than as something we're initially willing to do outright.Think of it this way, a lot of our argument stems from being in a long term war with a powerful threat. Terraforming is resource intensive and draining from their perspective because they have only their own attempts to go by. This way we don't give something they didn't ask for, and we look better for it when or if we actually help them in this way because it makes our offer more valuable.It's negotiation 101, don't offer initially and therby overplay or undersell world-class bargaining chips like speedier terraforming or aging/disease all-cures.
>>1307578They are either going to be giving up a huge chunk of territory to invading alien space bugs, or they will be militarily annihilated by alien space bugs. One way or another, I don't like their chances of winning re-election.Of course, they could just approve the consolidation bill (king bill) as an "emergency measure" making the election a bit less of an immediate concern for at least some of the administration.
>>1307578I advocate giving them an offering in advance since we do need to soften up on them so they will empathize with us more.
>>1307588Well, why not just say "we are open to negotiation and counter-offers" and leave it at that and let them decide what they want from us? We could come back with a counter-offer that includes terraforming.
>>1307580>>1307569And also this.As a government it's a real bad idea to outsource what are currently massive industries while your people are in revolt. Because as far as people are concerned that means their government is selling their valuable labor away, and they'd be correct.>>1307588If people are to empathize with us we'd be better off opening with humor, or extremely minor gifts, but that can also be bad if ill-timed.
>>1307586They can spin that we invaded while they were engaged with the commonwealth aggressors and so it wasnt there fault since it is the truth >>1307588They aint going to empathize with the scary space bugs that just invaded and seem to be tech superior
>>1307590Not a bad plan. Of course, some things are non- negotiable. But we don't need to tell them exactly what right off the bat.
>>1307590Yeah, that sort of thing is best left to its own vote. We need to formally establish what we're willing to trade with the Union and what we will ruthlessly extort them for (like anti aging spine pals).
>>1307569In addition to what the others have said, giving away something major like that is suspicious, and expensive on our part. We could sell terraforming perhaps. It'd stop them from being suspicious of such a massive gift, and could be worth a lot of resources, credits, favors, or political goodwill.
>>1307590Definitely seconding this.
Oh I forgot Unity wants us to negotiate for peace.
>>1307599No he was willing to make peace but isn't forcing us to force the union to make peace
>>1307599>>1307600IIRC he'd like peace, if only so he can gather information more easily without Union interference. But yeah, not a "force" or "demand" thing.
>>1307591Well terraforming Leto is most just means reactivating the core and Leto is where they mine valuable metals for industry.
>>1307600But we are forcing the Union to make peace, yes?I think it's late and I'm getting confused.This is ultimately something we're trying to do because we don't want them to be a rogue actor/thorn in our side when the real baddies get in gear against us, aye?
>>1307590Also would emphasize that we're not barbarians and can be reasoned with.
>>1307607No we are forcing the union to give us the expanse We gave them unity message but that was something for later to discuss and between them and unity
>>1307600About that, I think we should shelve Union-Unity peace as a long term goal and address it more fully once we sort this expanse shitshow finished. For now we should set him up with an embassy in our space city once we built it and include his territory in what we claim as belonging to us we address the Union. Babby steps.
>>1307609Right, thank you.
I don't know when QD is going to post next, but I can tell it's going to be good
Regarding Unity/Theseus, I was thinking we could use "negotiate peace with Unity" as a bargaining chip in a counter-offer. Since we're basically a third party in the agreement and are immune to Unity infiltration, we'd be able to claim that we can help enforce it from both sides. This isn't something the Union had before, so it's worth something, I think.
>>1307613That's actually a great advantage that I hope we don't forget to use.
>>1307394Your mind passes over Lee as he jots down various lines and bullet points with a stylus on his data pad."I'm sure a lot of this will sound better coming from you, but I'll do what I can to make it sound as serious as it is." He says as he gets up. "We should probably head over. This schedule thing they gave me has them set to be in debate all day, so we can probably squeeze in around lunch." Your drone follows him as Lee wanders the halls for a short while, tailed by a number of your guards that fill the hallway behind him like a looming shadow in his wake, until he finds a map and makes his way to the main parliament building near the center of the massive complex. There is a cafeteria, largely empty save for a number of low ranking bureaucrats, personal assistants, and other individuals deemed unworthy of evacuation and telepresence. Lee examines the rather sparse offerings with a hint of nostalgia as your speaker examines a large vending machine, its claws running along its laminated plastic surface."Human nutrient vats are inconvenient. Poor access!" Your drone chirps as it claws at the buttons until a can flops out and your speaker struggles to pull it out from the dispenser clearly built to accommodate human hands. Eventually, it plucks it out and devours the drink, can and all, as Lee watches, attempting to hide is laughter as the bureaucrats watch in obvious terror. He finds a small bottle of iced tea and waits with your drone near the entrance to the parliament chamber where several guards stand nervously watching your warriors as they stand guard not far away as they cast their unblinking gaze towards random passing humans and send them quickly hurrying away in fright.I think I'll need to end it here for tonight, if only because my internet keeps dropping and I just can't keep up. To make up for it I'll run a mid-week thread continuing in this thread this Tuesday night and just continue right where we left off here. Sorry.
>>1307613No, we ain't a neutral 3rd party, we showed them that we got good relations with the unity at what happened on nowhere We did what we could by passing the message but it is in the union court about making peace with the unity >>1307615GG, And thanks for running Frak we are intimidating, good for us though and will make our point accross
>>1307615>Eventually, it plucks it out and devours the drink, can and allWait, even speakers can eat metal?
>>1307615It's all right QD. I think calling it quits when it's this early is perfectly reasonable, thanks for running as much as you could.Also, pic related, this is going exactly as desired.
>>1307615Aww, well thanks for running QD! It was a good thread, looking forward to the next one
>>1307620Our drones can eat ANYTHING if given enough time
>>1307615Thanks for running man, it's always appreciated.
>>1307615No need to apologise, it happens to us all>Also, more cute speaker
>>1307615Man i expected the speaker to punch a hole in the can with one if it's fingers and just insert it's straw mouth in a unexpected motion of grace.Thx for running QD.
>>1307615OMG AND A TUESDAY THREADEven if its a short one I love you to fucking bits. You are the greatest Questdrone
>>1307498kind of funny and really really really true and they tock a big fat turd in that house/grave and billions more
>>1307615Good luck o7>>1307618>we showed them that we got good relations with the unity at what happened on nowhere1. Most people don't know about this, and they should keep not knowing about this. A lot of this political stuff is posturing for the masses.2. Even if they know we have good relations, I fail to see how that's a negative. We're very clearly not trying to 100% screw the humans over, so we're not playing favorites.
>>1307615Thanks for running QD.
>>1307508that would make a good speatch
>>1307631We going to declare were taking the expanse, they will not see us in good light and trust will really need to be built up if we want to play host for peace talks since the masses will think we are out to screw them over even more
>>1307615thanks for running my favorite
>>1307615Thanks for running. Looking forward to Tuesday!Keep staying awesome!
>>1307615Thanks for running, man. I love our speakers.
>>1307631>Posturing for the masses>When we have already stated that if parliment denies us the expanse we will take it from them>and that it won't be pretty
I added Containment Fields to the talk page price list.
Also, any ships that should be updated with Containment Fields? I can think of those that are designed to fight Scavengers, and the capital ships we want to have survive for as long as possible.
>>1307613>Regarding Unity/Theseus, I was thinking we could use "negotiate peace with Unity" as a bargaining chip in a counter-offer.As Theseus has explicitly said, humans making the frankly enormous leap of trust in trusting that no Unity will NOT attack and they should totally let their guard down, will COST political capital, not gain it.It would be something we're asking of them, not something they're asking of us. It's of negative bargaining value.
>>1307815I still say that the best way to go about it is to bypass the Union and have Theseus help the Commonwealth. They likely have less hangups and are more open to outside help right now. And once Theseus has a decent relationship with some humans, it will be tougher for the rest of the humans to simply claim he's crazy evil.
>>1307940>Theseus is my enemy but not officially>They are helping out this other human group that I am at war with>That makes him trustworthyNah.A better way would be to float the idea of introducing the Skyl to the humans, and then mention something like "well, the Skyl are currently in the care of a machine intelligence they created ages ago" and then maybe mention that Heretic and Unity are Good Friends, so if the Union wants to be Good Friends with the Skyl, they should at least not be enemies with Unity.
>>1308104I would not put the Skyl anywhere near the human empires given their how they operate.
>>1308104not a terrible idea, but we'd want to wait until the humans had gotten used to and met the Skyl (and maybe Heretic) before linking them to the Unity. Otherwise, instead of boosting Theseus's reputation, it'll drag down the Skyl's.
>>1308147>>1308104>>1307940>>1307815You know it be better to say we are willing to deal with Unity if they actually try to attack the Union unprovoked but before that it would be smart to say we will help end hostilities against humanity by Unity first. Act like we're the ones making sacrifices to get Unity to play nicely with the Union.
I have a little market monopoly plan, it may be a little risky tought.We should create an official hive company and alley with a valen clan, preferably with the rival of the one who Form Other is contracted and since hive technology is superior to most other tech we will pretty much monopolize the market. We could start selling the solid light entertainment systems.Meanwhile Form Other will be supported by those who don't want to buy from bugs. I will be controlled by our human clones and sell slightly worse more human looking tech.If we play it right we can monopolize whatever market we enter.Since we have no use for money it could be used for political pruposes, supporting organizations, or people we have deals with. Hire mercs for whatever pruposes, or buy rare animals for dissections, or tech we are interested in.
>>1308180I've heard QD say that valen are very paranoid businessmen, it's a good idea but don't expect the valen to not realize the trick.
>>1308180>>1309023I already know better methods of since this plan is actually pretty weak mostly due to how slow and inefficient it is.
Is anyone else really nervous about the Smith factory attack plan? If I remember correctly the Union knew about the attempt to free Lee before it happened and had him moved. They could have agents or bugs (heh) inside the cell we're joining.The Union also has reason to suspect that the hive has had a hand in every major secret lab disaster to have occurred. Even if they don't anticipate another Hive attack, they will be looking very hard for evidence of our involvement after the fact. We would need to be extremely cautious not to leave any traces of Hive influence.Given that, our plan currently has a lot of loose ends. We're giving hive tech (probably disguised) to a lot of unreliable humans we cannot control or self-destruct. Even worse, since they will be fighting Smiths, we will have to give Kent heavy weapons that may be more traceable to us. If any of Kent's men are captured they are only human and could rat us out.I dunno what it is, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like something here stinks. If we fail it may look like the Hive sponsored terrorists to attack an anti AI research facility in order to help their insane robot buddy Theseus. It seems almost like our plan to embarrass the Union on Tanhauser, but in reverse. None of the intel from Kent has been independently verified...I'm just concerned about how much we don't know here and how easily things could go extremely wrong...
>>1309148Well we do have simple option available to us. We could get a moderate relay to eat their minds or even bring these concerns to Kent.
>>1309148Well Path is going to be destroyed anyway so it should be easier to clean up any evidence during the chaos But yeah it is a risk with kent, no denying especially with how much info he has on lyle which is suspicious itselfWe need to ask Dil and Lyle about what they know about guy and his operation
>>1309148>>1309169I know this kinda makes me That Guy but should we try getting a Whisper Drone down here to get some parasites in these guys?
>>1309188Path isn't going to destroyed, it'll sustain some damage though how much depends on how the Union handles it.
>>1309190I think for once employing a secret parasite agent may be the way to go. We will have a lot of advantages and a lot lower risk of detection by attempting this in the under city.>>1309188Yeah, Kent is a risk. As it stands Kent has a LOT of reasons to allow the Hive's involvement in this operation to be revealed. Anything that increases tensions between the aliens and the Union works to his benefit. A devastating alien invasion of the Union would do more to shatter their promise of peace and mutual security than his little terrorist cell ever could on its own.I'm sure Kent wants the Smith plans as well, of course, but it's no skin off his back if the Hive is revealed in the process. We need a way to get more leverage on these guys or they will abandon us in a heartbeat when it suits their ends.
>>1309293I meant to get parasites into Kents team so they're less likely to betray us but I don't think we'd be able to get one to them in time anyways
>>1309330This is why we need a variant of the parasite with wings. We could send one with a couple of flies to help subdue or distract the target, and the parasite could fly right into him.
>>1309870That might detract from their other functions
>>1309870No we need to figure out how to miniaturize eggs and egg layers, so a fly can inject an egg that morphs into a full size parasite rapidly.
>>1310264dont we ha