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Welcome back, everyone, to the seventy-fourth installment of Mecha Space Pirate Quest. I'm Wong, your host, and today you are...well, for now, you are Mohammed Al-Tabir, Second Mate of the Iron Kestrels Space Pirate fleet.
Previous Threads: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Mecha+Space+Pirate+Quest%2C+Collective+Game%2C+mecha
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Mecha%20Space%20Pirate%20Quest
Master Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/sSHs0QmF
Upgrade Menu: http://pastebin.com/QQQzkFZe
List of Moves: http://pastebin.com/HSdyCe2y
Rogues' Gallery: http://pastebin.com/E9ZcDLfG

We're starting a bit early, because there's a bit of background to get through.
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>>1082116
Hopefully Moe, Caesar, and Pierre are alright.
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>>1082116
Huzzah, love this quest. Since it's metal gear Mohammed again I am very happy. Also codec call incoming?
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You're a bit disappointed you didn't get to see whatever was back there in that building. Obviously, it was some kind of advanced mech, but you've never heard of a mech going berserk before. With one notable exception. You need your teammate for this one, you were busy shooting Knights down with the Zulfiqar when Caesar's girlfriend went rampant, but there was too much chance he'd be recognized and the three of you made a team decision to let Caesar make a quick shopping trip and then send him back to guard your concealed mecha. There was a risk with Pierre, too, but Caesar apparently has friends stationed here. Of your team, those two were the most at risk. You and Pierre weren't supposed to get separated, for that matter, but you had to wave him off when he tried to approach the groundcar.

The groundcar's tires screech to a halt and you let the pilots out. Although your face is impassive, your heart feels like it's beating about a million times per minute and you want to throw up. Driving during an earthquake is terrifying, but at least this is a model you're familiar with. It has big, almost cartoonishly rubbery treads for tough terrain, and it's heavy enough to be extremely stable. Still, when the pavement started to crack, you very nearly lost your cool. Being trapped in a crevice and crushed by the grinding jaws of earth is a particular horror to you.

The three pink-haired girls hurry off, along with the purple-haired boy, but the big one with the goggles and the round head stops a moment to talk to the blonde woman in urgent tones. You dig out your PC and start sending a message to Pierre about meeting up, when you see the blonde woman smile at the man as he's jogging away. You know that smile, you've seen it before numerous times on Auditorium. There may never be a better opportunity than now. You turn off the groundcar, open your door, and hop down to the ground, “Pardon me, ma'am.”

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She pauses and gives you an annoyed look, “You're not an official taxi, are you charging a fare?”

“No, of course not.” You hold your hands up, “Ma'am, you are one Irina Kim, no?”

The color drains from her face, “I changed my name, I came all the way out here, if you're some kind of bounty hunter hoping for something from my sister you can go to Pluton. One scream from me and Amos will tear your head off.”

“That is not my intent, I am just a messenger.” You hurry along behind her as she turns and starts walking away. There are an awful lot of guns around here. Four ugly, blocky Jovian cruisers and one more graceful Martian one, although you spot clan markings on it, and that makes you a bit nervous. You're from one of the more cosmopolitan cities on Mars, that kind of thing is foreign to you, but some of the provincials take the old family names and tribes quite seriously and have a lot more zeal.

“I'm not listening.” She informs you, “This earthquake isn't natural, I need to get to the ship's sensors.”

“Then I will speak to myself. Your sister is getting married, and the only thing she wants is for you to be there. I have no siblings, so I do not know, but surely it makes you happy to know that she is happy? Will you not at least consider trying to attend?” You plead with her.

“Where are your sunglasses and jacket?” She asks pointedly, turning to face you, “Damned space pirate, do you think I don't know what you are? So, my sister is having the happiest day of her life, soon? Good for her. She wants to swan around and have everyone she knows see how successful and happy she is? I don't have to indulge her. Do you have any idea how hard I had to scrabble for a future after my sister caused the death of Doctor Asphodel? What an embarrassment that was for the company? Just like always, she's out there doing exactly what she wants, playing the star, and expecting everyone else to just be an audience for her. Fuck that and fuck you.”

“It's not like that!” You protest. Although you're not sure you have a right to. You rather like Red Siren, she makes the Admiral smile and she's always been nice to you. Unlike this sister. That said, she is a bit of a showoff.

“You there, MP!” The woman raises her hand and waves to a knot of security guards, and you beat a somewhat hasty retreat back to the groundcar, gunning it and speeding away as she jogs over to them and begins gesticulating at your vehicle. Luckily there are too many people around for you to have to worry about them opening fire.

[Continued]
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>>1082146

Well that went about as well as expected.
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“That's it, kidnapping is ABSOLUTELY back on the table...” You grumble as you speed away. You consider your next objectives and almost freeze up. You don't want to go back into the city. An enemy you can fight is one thing, but being killed by the planet itself is an awful prospect. A building could just fall on you, and that would be it, although with the armored groundcar you might be alright. Still, there are people in there still being evacuated, Pierre is back there somewhere, and there's someone else you're curious about. Bane. Or at least, the man the UJCIDF Lieutenant called Bane. You want to know what he was doing up there, and why the Lieutenant seemed to recognize him.

Officially, you know, this planet is facing an Avalon-backed native insurgency. Tourism is a large industry on Qu'lir, and the Jovian and Martian corporations invested in it could stand to lose a vast wealth of credits with terrorist attacks biting into their profits, hence the involvement of the SSL. Qu'lir also has a planetary gate, unusual for a backwater like this and a remnant of the days when the planet was involved in the slave trade. The Gate of Qu'lir is controlled by the UJCIDF, but up until recently Avalon had ships in the sky too, using the southern continent as a landing base up until a concerted Jovian attack led by a prototype battleship routed them. As far as you know, any remaining Avalonian ships have concealed themselves, and the Avalonians are assuming a defensive posture to wait for reinforcements.

You couldn't be more wrong about this, but you aren't as well informed as Colonel Luxol about the movements of Count Ford.

You steel yourself, your groundcar kicking up dust as you head back towards the city. The tremors seem a bit less extreme now, but you're still cautious. It saves your life. As you make your way through the residential district, a tremor hits and a two-story building teeters and falls. You slam the groundcar into reverse with a muffled snarl of, “Alqaraf!” You hit the gas pedal...an archaic term from the days when vehicles still used petroleum...just in time to avoid having the cabin crushed, but a lot falls on the front of the car, and a spar of metal stabs through your hood. The car's lights flicker, but don't go out, and you curse in ways that would have made Lady Ahmad twist your ear off. You're stuck. Maybe you can still drive, but not pinned like a butterfly to a bit of cardboard. You grab an emergency rain poncho from under the seat and hurriedly tug it on, then throw open the door and begin dragging bits of house aside, using a prybar and your own muscles to try and free your vehicle. You don't want to risk the edge of your paired monoswords hacking through this unless you absolutely have to. Those things are quite durable, but they can still be damaged.

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“As-salaamu alaikum!” Someone calls from behind you, and you look over your shoulder to see a pair of burly Martians in the uniforms of the Holy Militia.

“Akaikum as-salaam.” You reply, throwing a beam aside.

“Here, brother, let us help you.” The two of them join their efforts to yours, clearing away the mess. One of them wraps his headscarf around his glove and yanks the rebar out of the hood once the debris holding it down is gone, popping the hood to look at the engine, “Allah loves you, one inch to the right and your vehicle's life would have ended.”

“Truly, God is great.” You respond, shifting naturally into the Martian modes of address. There are a decent number of Martians among the Iron Kestrels, both from your original PMC band and from other Belt pirates who joined the Rhinehawk's crew, but it's rare to just speak in Arabic as a group because it's rude to the other Kestrels.

“God is great.” They echo at the same time, smiling.

“You are young, but your manner is quite dignified, brother.” The older one suggests, “You are not a resident of this town, I take it?”

“After all.” The younger states firmly, “Surely we would have seen you at the mosque, were you not a recent arrival. What brings you here?” Their manner is still friendly, but they both look quite curious.

“Guards? Where did you go? Don't leave me in the middle of a crisis!” You hear a younger, somewhat petulant voice, and a young man in the fancier uniform of a Martian Lieutenant stalks around the corner, “By Allah, I swear...wait, who is this?”

They both bow deeply, “Effendi, we were just questioning him, but he is of the faith and was in trouble, so we stopped to help.”

“Allah bless the Martian Holy Militia, the finest fighting force in the galaxy.” You say, and despite everything you mean it a little. Sure, Mars is poorer than Jupiter, with no SOUL, but your people are valiant and you're glad of the rumors you've heard that the higher-ups have started investing more in stronger mecha to supplement the traditional Martian fast-attack doctrine, “Without these men, I would truly be stuck.” You bow deeply as well.

“I can see that.” He frowns, “You have a strong posture befitting a warrior, and clear eyes. Clearly you are not one of these provincials, why are you here?”

You bow again, “As I was saying, effendi, I am Mohammed Al-Tabir, a tourist.”

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“Lieutenant Asim Rabban.” He looks around, “I do not mean to be impolite, Mohammed, but there is nothing here for tourists. This city has been fortified because it has been a target for enemy activity. Who would bring you here and risk death? If you had been here beforehand, and been caught up in things when the arrival of the accursed infidel piloting the Berenger...” He frowns as both of his underlings turn and spit in one contemptuous motion into the gutter, “Please, I share your sentiment but that is simply crass.” He scolds them, then turns back to you, “As I was saying, when that filthy slut of a she-devil arrived, perhaps you could have been trapped here, except for one thing...” His eyes narrow, “I have never once seen you at the mosque. Naturally, it is impossible for a good Martian not to attend services, especially in these times when Allah's guidance is needed more than ever.”

Your brain whirs, knowing every second of delay makes you more suspicious...but then it hits you, and you smile, “Of course, Lieutenant Rabban. Your logic is excellent, and you are completely correct. I, too, would have nothing but contempt for an infidel who did not show Allah proper reverence even this far from Mars. After all, I rely frequently on his protection.” You lie, wishing you had a bacon sandwich and your bipedal Zulfiqar right now, “I did show up in town recently, but when I say I am a tourist, I mean that I am one whose business lies exclusively in places of conflict.” You pull out a card, and flick it to him.

He catches it, looking at the spray of red claws on a white background, and scans the code on it with his PC, “You are a member of the Crimson Talons mercenary group?”

“I am its leader. Do not judge by my age, I am more skilled than I look.” The best lies are closest to the truth, “Some birds fly at the head of their own flock rather than as part of a larger wing, but we all share the same Martian sky. I am come to Qu'lir because there is more honor in jihad against Avalon than in shooting down pirates.”

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And I'll be back in about ten minutes, around usual starting time, I forgot to buy milk.
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>>1082189
That better not be blood Io-
>>1082212
>It's Iok
Only bad things are down that path.
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>>1082212

>Iok is here

Well, fuck. So much for our Martian allies.
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>>1082212
Good news Jesus! You are now officially no longer the worst sniper on Qu'lur
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>>1082246

Honestly, Jesus was never a bad sniper, as a certain pack of raptors can attest. It's the rest of him that's the problem.
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>>1082212
Also, have an updated Supplemental Rogue's Gallery.
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>>1082263
No worries, Iok has him beat there too. Especially after the latest episode.
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>>1082264
>>1082212
For fucks sake: http://pastebin.com/LsnpqE7Y
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>>1082212
> You lie, wishing you had a bacon sandwich and your bipedal Zulfiqar right now
KEK
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>>1082319
truly he is the most martian man around
also we brought our mecha right?
we should be big damn hero's when the avalonians come.
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The Lieutenant smiles, walking over and handing back your card, “It is as you say, and I believe you are exactly who you say you are.” He dusts off his gloved hands, turning to walk away, “Arrest him.”

You have your hand on the hilt of one of your swords immediately, drawing it a few inches. Even as the rain pours down around you, pattering off your poncho, the snow-white edges of the curved blade gleams menacingly, “You are making a mistake, effendi.” You have a gun, but if you pull that the chance to resolve this nonlethally has been shot...no pun intended. Besides, better if they focus on the sword when they can't see the gun, and surprise them with it if needed.

“No, I do not think so.” The Lieutenant remarks, “I heard that the Crimson Talons failed shamefully in their honorable duty of escorting the Lady Fatima Ahmad to her betrothed's side, losing their commander in the process. The Lady Ahmad was kidnapped by pirates, and rather than return to Mars the Crimson Talons vanished. As the rumor goes, they stayed by her side, even when she chose to demean herself through marriage to the pirate who undoubtedly despoiled her.”

“Watch your words carefully, Lieutenant.” You warn him. He's right on several points, but showing disrespect to Fatima and Admiral Starwind is an offense you do not take lightly.

“Oh? Why should I? It seems to me you have forgotten your place...or perhaps you know it all too well. After all, I imagine a talented warrior, presumably Commander Ibrahim's second, would do well as a space pirate and the Iron Kestrels are keen to recruit skilled warriors of any world. This will be investigated fairly, and if if you are cleared, I shall of course apologize and allow you to join us in our fight against Avalon under my direct supervision, whether you come quietly or not. I always did wonder how Admiral Starwind pierced Mars' impregnable defenses so easily.” The Lieutenant makes an impatient gesture to his soldiers, then steps back hastily out of the way as a tall man wrapped in an enveloping black raincoat hurries by, carrying an armload of shopping bags.

You, personally, didn't think they were all that impregnable and there isn't much the Admiral can't impregnate in your opinion.

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>>1082384
>You, personally, didn't think they were all that impregnable and there isn't much the Admiral can't impregnate in your opinion.
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>>1082384
ha!
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>>1082384
3ish posts in and I already want to give him a Rashad burial. Really living up to the Iok name.
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>>1082384
>You, personally, didn't think they were all that impregnable and there isn't much the Admiral can't impregnate in your opinion.
Can't wait to see what Iok fucks up.
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Did I post Moe's stats anywhere more recent than Metal Gear Mohammed?
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>>1082412
I just wonder what his monstrosity of a mecha is. Also, does anyone else find it Ironic that the Carta Issue expy is an orphan?
>>1082421
Presumably during the ladbowl.
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>>1082421
I don't think so? I only remember you posting the Zulfiquar's stats.

>>1082426
I'm really worried it's the flying tank I shilled to Wong. I'd be kinda sad if we had ro smash it. Though on the other hand, I'd love to see it in action.
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>>1082426
Its that 280CP Tank that Tank-kohai(Who is also Mai Uaifu) made, and its a monster.

But he is probably going to job on that anyway.

>>1082421
Check Cesar x Moe 2: Eletric Bogaloo, if you don't find them, then look at the Invasion of Mars.
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>>1082439
>ro
to
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>>1082439
>I don't think so? I only remember you posting the Zulfiquar's stats.
Yeah, you can reverse engineer his mecha combat stats from the rolls if he somehow lost the sheet. Also, the Zulfiquar is here >>1082280 Along with both standard martian mecha.
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>>1082421
Does not look like it, not even during lad bowl, though his training must be doing well.. just hope we don't have to in person fight so many people.
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>>1082445
Actually its 235.
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>>1082384
>You, personally, didn't think they were all that impregnable and there isn't much the Admiral can't impregnate in your opinion.
And now Moe is learning from the best who himself learned from the best.There has to at some point in the future (far or near) be a sacred tome published by the iron kestrels that is added to by every subsequent leader or other figures of significance. Banned in nearly every slice of space, and not suitable for minors. Never the less vigorously read.
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Wait, i just realised something.
>some unknown ancient evil/Greenman bio-weapon sleeps on Qu'lir
>It may be close to waking up after the deal with the Squilla
>Iok is here

..........Fuck. Well, Simon does not need that hand anyway, he has a girlfriend now.
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>>1082426
well since he's a proper non-bacon eating martian he's probably got a beast form mech...

fuck... I made a 22 MA big gun bird mech a thread or two ago and was asked what i'd do with a 280 cp limit... I gave it a giant cannon and some heavy beam guns in the 140 version but didn't really finish the 280 cp version
I hope its not that thing... actually if it is the 280 version I was dicking around with it has -7MV...

we'll just have to see.
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Havnt been following IBO, who the hell is lok?
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>>1082453
>http://pastebin.com/LsnpqE7Y
PALADIN ANESIS (under Construction)

Light Heavy Torso: C/S/K 14, 7 tons
Light Heavy Head: C/S/K 7, 3.5 tons
Light Heavy Left Arm: C/S/K 8, 3.5 tons
Left Hand: 2 CP, 1 Space, 1 Kill, 0.5 tons
Light Heavy Right Arm: C/S/K 8, 3.5 tons
Right Hand: 2 CP, 1 Space, 1 Kill, 0.5 tons
Light Heavy Left Leg: C/S/K 8, 3.5 tons
Light Heavy Right Leg: C/S/K 8, 3.5 tons

Armor: Knight's Medium Heavy(8 SP, 12 CP, 4.0 tons) on all locations, does not ablate from damage caused by attacks dealing less than 4 Kills

Armament:
Double-Ended Plasma Sabre: WA +1, 8K (only 2K of structure), EMW (treats SP as 4 less than usual), Quick, 14 CP, 8 Spaces, 1 ton

>Oh wait... Where did I saw this saber before?
>...
>OH MY GOD HOW DID KATHERINE PUT HER HANDS ON LORI'S DOUBLE-SABER!? SHE IS GOING WITH AN PALADIN LEVEL WEAPON TO THE TOURNEY!?
We're screwed.
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Attractiveness: 8
Body Type: 7
Cool: 8 (Fast Talk & Persuasion +4, Leadership +2)
Empathy: 10 (Human Perception +3, Seduction +4)
Intelligence: 8
[Education]: +3
Luck: 7
Movement Allowance: 6
Reflexes: 10 (Dodge & Escape 5, Handgun +4, Mecha Gunnery +6 Mecha Melee +7, Mecha Pilot +7, Melee +6, Rifle +4, Stealth +5, Zero-G +3)

You'll notice he's not quite as good as Amos, but Amos has a few years and a Paladin over him.
Technical Ability: 7
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>>1082485
>I hope its not that thing... actually if it is the 280 version I was dicking around with it has -7MV...
Considering that Not!Iok probably has a subpar dicepool, Not Scared.
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>>1082495

How did I fuck THAT up?
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>>1082504
Wong probably made a better version if it is that mech, the 140 cp version only had like - 4MV, Made that thing when I was still getting used to mekton rules.
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>>1082514
Blue Milk. The choice of drugs among youths today.
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Rolled 7 + 8 (1d10 + 8)

“Why oh why did I have to drink so much at that bar? I already bought enough alcohol.” The raincoat man moans, “It's those damned cats, I just needed to get away from them for a while!”

The Lieutenant's nose wrinkles in consternation as his dramatic moment is spoiled, and his soldiers hesitate. The older one smiles a little, “Ah, this brings back memories.” He strokes his beard.

“A good Muslim avoids liquor.” The younger guard scolds the elder.

“A good Muslim has sometimes seen things that make him drink, cousin.” The older guard scolds right back, “Like your mother in the baths. By Allah, be thankful you have a skinny father.”

The man with the raincoat stops, looking around, “Dash it all!” He shouts, spotting a particular collapsed building, with part of a clearly-crushed groundcar beneath it. Alas, that vehicle was less loved by Allah than yours, “I rented that!”

“I was hoping to catch a glimpse of this particular servant-girl who was most comely beneath her hijab, but no, it was not to be. Instead, I beheld the behemoth.” The older guard shudders, “Not even wooing the sweet flower I dreamed of seeing and making her my bride has been enough to erase those ghastly images from my memories. Like a great brown plum, hairy as an ape...”

“Do not speak of my mother that way!” The younger guard sputters.

“By Allah cousin, I would not say it if it wasn't true.” The older guard holds up his hands in an inoffensive gesture.

“Excuse me, gentlemen, is this your car? I really need a lift, I'll bring it back when I'm done if I can.” The man in the raincoat sets down his bags. Something about his posture and the confidence in his voice remind you of the Admiral a little.

“No.” The Lieutenant snaps. Then he pauses, “Can you say that again?”

“I really need a lift?” The raincoat man questions.

The Lieutenant frowns, “No, the whole thing. From the beginning. A bit faster, the way you said it the first time.”

“Excuse me gentlemen, is this your car? I really need a lift. I'll bring it back...what's the point of all this, don't you speak a civilized tongue?” The raincoat man glowers from behind a thick beard.

“I knew it! Guards, take him too! That's an Avalonian accent, that 'you' was practically a 'ye'!” The Lieutenant roars.

>[1d10+10!]
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Reposting because I forgot something.

Mohammed Al-Tabir, Age 16
Attractiveness: 8
Body Type: 7
Cool: 8 (Fast Talk & Persuasion +4, Leadership +2)
Empathy: 10 (Human Perception +3, Seduction +4)
Intelligence: 8 (+4 Awareness)
[Education]: +3
Luck: 7
Movement Allowance: 6
Reflexes: 10 (Dodge & Escape 5, Handgun +4, Mecha Gunnery +6 Mecha Melee +7, Mecha Pilot +7, Melee +6, Rifle +4, Stealth +5, Zero-G +3)
Technical Ability: 7
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Rolled 3 + 10 (1d10 + 10)

>>1082531
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Rolled 8 + 10 (1d10 + 10)

>>1082531
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Rolled 7 + 10 (1d10 + 10)

>>1082531
what
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Give me some 1d10+16s and oh bloody hell I forgot Mohammed's DODGE & ESCAPE went up too.

DEAR ME IN THE FUTURE THESE ARE MOHAMMED'S REAL STATS, NOT THESE. >>1082537


Mohammed Al-Tabir, Age 16
Attractiveness: 8
Body Type: 7
Cool: 8 (Fast Talk & Persuasion +4, Leadership +2)
Empathy: 10 (Human Perception +3, Seduction +4)
Intelligence: 8 (+4 Awareness)
[Education]: +3
Luck: 7
Movement Allowance: 6
Reflexes: 10 (Dodge & Escape +6, Handgun +4, Mecha Gunnery +6 Mecha Melee +7, Mecha Pilot +7, Melee +6, Rifle +4, Stealth +5, Zero-G +3)
Technical Ability: 7
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Rolled 8 + 16 (1d10 + 16)

>>1082550
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Rolled 9 + 16 (1d10 + 16)

>>1082550
rolling
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>>1082550
wait he's only sixteen?
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Rolled 10 + 16 (1d10 + 16)

>>1082550
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Rolled 3 + 16 (1d10 + 16)

>>1082550
Luck an option? Because I am spending 1 luck.
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Rolled 8 + 16 (1d10 + 16)

>>1082550
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>>1082555
>>1082560
>>1082562
noice
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>>1082555
>>1082560
>>1082562
>>1082568
I see Moe's dedicated to putting Iok down as much as he deserves as well.
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Rolled 2, 7, 3, 10 = 22 (4d10)

>>1082555
>>1082560
>>1082562
>>1082565
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>>1082575
The fun part of Iok is that /m/ praises him as a /m/over of plot and more waifu destroyer than Terminator 'I AM GRAZE' Eins.
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>>1082584
They got one lick in
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Rolled 2 (1d10)

>>1082584
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Rolled 9 (1d10)

>>1082592
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>>1082592
>>1082598
Wait, why is the guy getting two swings in? Man I hope we are wearing something protective.
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Rolled 6, 1, 9, 9 = 25 (4d10)

>>1082598

Good fucking lord Mohammed you really are learning from the best.
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>>1082599
Dodge and parry roll, I'm pretty sure.
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>>1082599

I'll tell you now that 9 was a Stun/Shock roll.
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>>1082614
Guess I was wrong then.
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>>1082614
jesus
this 16 year old can kickass!
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Rolled 1, 4, 8, 8 = 21 (4d10)

>>1082607
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>>1082607
Moe the Crimson
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>>1082623
Crimson Mohammad?
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>>1082629
The Crimson Jihad
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>>1082623
>>1082629
>>1082640
>Crimson Jihad
This is pure gold.
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>>1082640
>>1082653
Wait, we're all doing this wrong.
The Crimson Comet
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>>1082661
>Crimson Meteor
FTFY
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>>1082667
Nah, that's not "cheap ripoff" enough.
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>>1082667
this actually sounds pretty nice all things considered
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>>1082661

We already have a crimson comet. Besides, Moe isn't really Char enough.

What colour is the Zulfiqar's paint scheme, anyway?
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>>1082655
Hector, did you just slam some islam?
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>>1082681
Kestrel colors.
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>>1082681
Black and white. Painted by Miles much to her dismay.
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>>1082681
black grey's and white. his blades are red
i think it's based on some form of gundam
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“Abdul, Achmed, get them!” The Lieutenant instructs.

“This is a mistake, boy.” The older guard warns you, drawing his sword. It's a monoblade too, like yours, and it's clear he has some skill with it from his stance.

“It wouldn't be the first I've made.” You can see he genuinely doesn't want to cut you down, which gives you an advantage. He's probably hoping to disarm you quickly. He's underestimating you, too, which is an awful mistake to make with any student of Oda Yoritomo. You back away slightly, which is a natural thing for a younger, smaller person to do against an older, larger opponent...and also puts your adversary between you and the Lieutenant in case he decides to shoot you.

As bombastic as your teacher is, he's very serious about swordplay...when he isn't trying to invent a three-swords fighting style...and has taught you extensively about the concept of iai, the art of drawing and cutting in one blow. Your sword is already in your hand, but its principles still apply for what you have planned. Your opponent whirls his sword in two great arcs, which you sidestep and step back from reflexively. The second cut, you bat the tip away with your swordpoint. You don't need to do that, but it accomplishes something important. For just a moment, his eyes are fixed on your swordtip, and that's all the time you need to lower your shoulders, lunge, and perform a cross-body draw of your other sword with the speed of an oncoming sandstorm, coming up inside his reach and putting the pommel into his temple with enough force to send him sprawling unconscious across the wet pavement. You nudge his face out of a puddle with the tip of your boot so he doesn't drown.

Meanwhile, the presumed Avalonian drops his shopping bags, holding his hands up, “Can't we discuss this?” He doesn't even sound like he wants to, you know the sound of someone spoiling for a fight despite his posture of surrender.

“Certainly effendi, we shall discuss this at length in an interrogation chamber aboard our-HEY!” The younger guard sputters as the Avalonian abruptly rips off his own beard and throws it into the Martian's face. You see laces dangling from the mass of presumably false hair. With a gesture that is both minimalistic and extremely practiced, the Avalonian whips the point of an extendable stun-baton into the spot just below the Martian's ribs, dropping him to the ground with a crackle of electricity.

[Continued]
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One left, and you're ready to draw your gun and hope you've got the faster trigger finger, when you realize that Assim Rabban's eyes are rolling up into his head. The Lieutenant sways, and abruptly drops to the ground. As he falls, you can see a cluster of needles sticking out of his back. Behind him, some distance down the street, stands a small, slender figure in a rainproof burqa, “Fou~nd you!” She crows as she strolls over, twirling her submachine needler around her finger dramatically and slinging it back into her gunbelt, putting her hands on her hips and sticking her chest out proudly, “Like the wind itself, I'll always find what I'm after.”

You stare at her in surprise, “Shuk, when did you learn to do that?”

You can tell she's pouting by the way her eyebrows pull closer to her small, cute nose, “Cousin has been teaching me since I was a young girl.” She shakes a finger at you, imitating Fatima Ahmad's slightly less squeaky voice, “'Remember, Shukriya, a Martian lady must be proficient in all aspects of womanhood. Her clusters on the target must be as small and precise as her stitching.” She crosses her arms, “Just because I'm modest doesn't mean I'm useless, I'm a better shot than your Jovian girl could ever hope to be.”

“I say, is this some sort of sectarian violence?” The Avalonian asks hopefully, “I support the freedom of all sapient beings, if you need a hand, I'm happy to provide it even to a Saracen.” He ruffles your hair vigorously, “Nice swordsmanship, boy, very clean.”

>[Explain it to him?]
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>>1082727
>“'Remember, Shukriya, a Martian lady must be proficient in all aspects of womanhood. Her clusters on the target must be as small and precise as her stitching.”

how are martian muslims so based.
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>>1082727
>explain we were here to invite someone to a wedding. probably going to kidnap her now honestly, if we don't then red siren will get sad and then the admiral will get sad.
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>>1082727
Did we kill Not!Iok?

Also;
>Not particularly, the young Lieutenant was being a perceptive smartass. You should leave, out of respect and gratitude of helping me out this one time, Avalon Knight.
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>>1082755
Unfortunately not. Unless he dies of sedative overdose.
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>>1082727
Just someone who is trying to find his friends during this situation, ran into some trouble, and then dealt with the trouble. No mention of our duties to the enemy. That can go badly for us.
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>>1082752
Better not. Our interests are still nominally with the SSL so far. Getting the Avalonian to help out would cause more complications than necessary.
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>>1082762
who said anything about helping?
i just want to take reds stuck up sister and go.
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>>1082727
>"So, effendi, where exactly do you need to go? You have my thanks and the lift you wanted... If its on the way."
>"Its... Complicated, my lady married a lord from out of the planet and my peers don't see it kindly... Are you really a Avalonian?"

We could use this chance to see if we can use him to assist the kidnaping plan, we could use a distraction.

But do not commit to anything, we have no idea if we can really trust him yet, and we don't want to get seriously involved with them.
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>>1082727

>It is a long story, but suffice to say that the lieutenant here has issues with my lady and her husband. Unfortunately, he has carried them all the way here, even during an earthquake.

The best lies are those that are completely true.

Beyond that, thank him for his help and get to more pressing matters, like reaquainting with Shuk, meeting up with your team, and not dying in the middle of a natural disaster.
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>>1082748

The War. Hakim. Hakim being extremely ruthless when it came to certain ideas and behaviors.
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>>1082773
Telling the Avalonian and getting him on this WOULD get them involved. It would also blow our disguise which is bad enough considering the target and local authorities know our face. Might be better to just know where he is going.
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>>1082773
Then why are we explaining to the AVALON KNIGHT that we're here to kidnap the most important UJCIDF researcher on the planet

>>1082784
Bad idea, brazilanon. See above.
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>>1082762
No? We want Belt independence and vowed to ignore the war as it isn't really our problem...
And in this exactly case, what are you planning to do? Storm the ship and fight soul on one-on-one? We should use any help that we can if the price isn't really high.
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>>1082792
oh, well ignore my vote then.
also he doesn't really know us?
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>>1082795
this.
i want to exploit both sides to hell and back
>>1082792
how the hell would he know we aren't talking about some civilian? for all he know's it's a martian were kidnaping not a jovian
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>>1082793
Do not explain it at first, give him a ride, let him speak and get info, then maybe reveal that we are from a third faction and could use some help on a special mission if they are interested, if he start naming prices and wanting too much as payment or something just say that we'll think about and drop him where he wants to go.
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>>1082795
Why the hell would you try to even go on the ship? Our initial duty was giving the invitation. Putting Roarke in the Avalonian camp by kidnapping a Jovian with Avalonian aid is a bad idea ESPECIALLY since Irina made it known we are a pirate. There are ways to get what we want. Even a trade using the Avalonian as the trade item, but as is, we want to not directly contest the navy.
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>>1082795

The problem is that allying with the Avalonians would make Mars and Jupiter see us as, you know, allies of the avalonians. Allies of their most hated enemies. Just chilling in the asteroid belt.

The moment the Kestrels openly work together with the Avalonians, is the moment that Fairchild gets carte blanche to destroy Auditorium, Psyche-16, and any man, woman or child affiliated with the Kestrels.
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>>1082805
>give him a ride

This is worth a vote itself, will you give Hector a ride? On the one hand, Avalonian. On the other hand, an Avalonian with nothing to gain from betraying you who might have information.
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>>1082820
sure
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>>1082820
We don't really need to (the other martians have a ride for him to steal probably) and we don't want to make it seem like we explicitly support Avalon. On the other hand a quick chat before we part ways could be beneficial, especially if we have to kidnap a certain sister and her badass squeeze.
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>>1082820

Nope,we have our own problems to deal with. besides, how would an Avalonian help us get onto a Jovian ship and deliver a message? It would make a lot more sense to just send Pierre, Ceasar or even Shuk over once the worst commotion has died down.
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>>1082820
>>give him a ride
he wont ever forget
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>>1082809
Man, Rosita asked Roarke to bring her sister to the wedding, she wanting it or not... and I don't see how we are going to do this so easily if her on that ship and everything.
And my plan isn't to really go all out with an avalonian alliance, is just to see if we can time our plan with one of their attacks and get the Jovians by their backs when they are least expecting it... Or getting info on the jovians with the Avalonians...
>>1082811
Fairchild herself is spreading the "Kestrels are allied with the SSL" view through the media... Doing this at this point would make her lose the only thing she got from that Psyche episode... and I'm saying to "MAKE THE AVALONIANS USE THEIR KNIGHTS FOR US" I'm just saying that we could use their plans on our advantage... Whats the point of being a third part if you can't use the other guys to fight one another?

Also, we are already on the run from the jovians forces and are going to get shit for kidnapping Irina anyway, attacking the Jovians by their backs or not is not going to help or image.

>>1082820
>Give him a ride.
But do not reveal much to him at first, try to get info out of him first before anything.
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>>1082820
Yeah sure.
also... how effective are scattershot incendiary rounds and how much of a pain is it to work out the damage?
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>>1082820
>>give him a ride
but we agree we mutually dont speak of this
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>>1082820
Disguise himself up again, no funny business, and worse case you have us as a hostage. If it comes to it, Moe's stalker would likely needle him to sleep and we get a negotiation tool.
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>>1082844
>and I'm NOT saying to "MAKE THE AVALONIANS USE THEIR KNIGHTS FOR US"
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>>1082855
This could work too...
But how are we going to trade him for Irina? "Hey, do you want to trade your best engineer for this POW? What could go wrong?"
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>>1082844
We'd try it. Emphasis on try. We know where she is and if the attempt to actually get her is too risky, there is no point in trying. Both may be sad if we fail, but both would be even sadder if we got caught, imprisioned or killed. Information in of itself from all thats happened will serve as a means to redeem this operation.
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>>1082820
>>1082820
Hey Wong, a quick question. How deep is the secrecy on SOUL-A's "undercover mission"? Are, for instance, captain Clearwater and colonel Luxol informed that their defection was just an undercover operation? If so, we could probably just send them in to talk to Irina.
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>>1082820
>A Muslim wanting to help an Avalonian
Pull my other leg
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>>1082820
Ride

But no revealing what we're here to do.

>>1082844
No. Because that's what Fairchild wants. She's forced to concede us 16-Psyche because we're more of a pain and strangely more effective against the Avalonian War effort. Not to mention the fact that we have Colonel Stern, General Hatsheput, and the Luxols protecting us indirectly We cooperate with Avalon to kidnap Irina, say goodbye to the welcome wagon on the Belt and hello 2 Wels and a Mekong on the doorstep of the Auditorium.

Let me emphasis one thing, WE ARE NOT READY TO FIGHT A WAR YET.
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>>1082878
I want to laugh at this Idea.... But after that part about bipedal mecha and bacon I can't see Moe as an Muslim anymore.

What can we call him instead now? Does he care about Roarke's gods of rock or Oda's metaphysical waifu?
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>>1082876
Here is the problem... We don't have how to know that... As it seems, both Ceasar and Pierre really believes that they're out for good, the only way to discover that again would be to spy on the jovians, get some high-rank officer with this info or Hack their ships... And everyone of the options is complicated.
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>>1082907
It doesn't matter if he's religious or not Martians hate the Greenmen for what they did to them during the war.

>>1082844
And for you other point Roarke is willing to work with a lot of people but I don't think he would ever work with people who follow the Lady considering what the Greenmen war did to his mom and the fact he said he would crucify one himself
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>>1082907
We call him Moe, Bacon Eater.
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>>1082907
It has been Established Moe is not a Muslim, He is a Pirate, So really we should not help him since he really did not help us.
I mean roarke treats avalon with indifference unless they are in his territory
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>>1082876

You have it backwards, perhaps. Fairchild hushed up the defection by claiming that SOUL A is on assignment, with enough mystery to make it seem like it's undercover. Those extremely in the know would be the only people who would realize it was a defection. Maybe, for instance, people with access to the Petronius and Archimedes and their respective crews?
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>>1082907
>What can we call him instead now?

The red blade
the fluffiest swordsman in the belt
Eater of cakes, destroyer of skulls

Or, you know, Moe.
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>>1082932
Annd those are the ships that came as reinforcements. Surprised they haven't found and strangled Jesus yet.
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>>1082932

Ok, that makes more sense. Certainly more than the idea of their defection being covered up with an "undercover infiltration", since that only works if most of your people don't know that it's an infiltration mission,

But more to the point, the Colonel probably knows, so just walking in will not work.
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>>1082926
I'm agreeing with Thunder here. We give Hector a ride, try to pry some info about him. Let him off this one time for helping out and consider the debt cancelled.
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>>1082954

Believe it or not aside from him shooting first (which he could officially justify as trying to get Caesar out of the way to stop Naomi), the sympathy on those ships might be more towards Jesus than Caesar WITH the limited information they have about what went down. Authority figures don't always care about your personal problems. It wouldn't be unreasonable for someone who isn't Naomi's boyfriend and confidante to go "she was a danger and you had a duty to arrest her. Altered HMIS systems that can control a human being? What are those?"
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>>1082905
Anon, I know that you are worried, but calm down, we are not going to use their troops or anything, just get some info out of them and maybe agree in a course of action that would be advantageous for both but that would not screw us by working with them or something...

I what I have in mind is to time our plan with what they have in mind to get the jovians when they are in trouble, or to give the Avalonians the time of our attack so that we can having they using the opportunity to make the mess even greater, allowing us to escape blaming it on "Oh, it seems that they were watching for an opening! How lucky for us!" or something.

We are NOT fighting alongside them, and definitely NOT protecting them against the Jovians.

Use them in our favor, do not get really involved, that is my plan.

I also would do the same the other way around if needed to, its true that I shill for Avalon but the Kestrels are much important to me in the end.

>>1082926
You guys were seducing Lori and being a bro with the Duke much before even joined, Roarke hates the Greenman but he didn't go out of his way to crush everyone of the Avalonians in Psyche-16 because of it, remember that cockpit that ejected and almost got smashed by Priest-san... But you guys could prove me wrong or something, the thing is that I find that hard to believe after the Lori thing... Which happened even before I joined the game.
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Guys, please, if you cast a vote link to the post where I asked for a vote. It makes it much easier to count than when you link someone else's post and go "I agree with them" or just state your opinion without linking anything.
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>>1082975
We were never being a "bro" to Kirito he had us out gunned we went and talked to him listen to what he said and then immediately decided we didn't want to side with him. Lori was just Roarke wanting to trick her into following us back to Auditorium so we could capture her. Then we found out she was pretty and Roarke can't control his dick around pretty women who are good pilots
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>>1082989
and mechanics
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>>1082977
Ok.
Hey Wong... If the jovian mechanics and engineers get the Knights on the dam, how much time would take for adapting them with other weapons and such? Could we make use of them in time for battle? What would be the jovians opinion on using them to increase our number of mechas?
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>>1082975
>Agree in a course of action that would be advantageous for both

Which would link us the Iron Kestrels to Avalon when Irina "magically" appearing at the Space Jam. Which of course gives the Jovian Senate the go ahead to Greenlight a strike force against the Auditorium.
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>>1082999
Aside from fortifaction buffers or defensive weapon placements/traps, knights are not really useful and the time frame is too short to work on them. Might work as a decoy by making the enemy assume the dam is still theirs, but not much else.
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“It's a long story and we're short on time.” You haul the three unconscious Martians up away from where anything could fall on this. “Suffice to say this man has issues with my former employer and her husband, who is my current employer. Unfortunately, those issues have burdened his journey all the way to Qu'lir, alas.”

The brawny man in the raincoat nods, “I see. It's a familiar situation to me. You see, my liege-lord and my wife's liege-lady are political enemies with wildly different viewpoints. In fact, she's probably the reason he got sent on such a damned dangerous mission in the first place. Don't tell Liza, but I'm quite sure there IS a factional difference between those most loyal to the Queen and those most loyal to the Lady.”

You frown, “If your masters are enemies, how ever did you secure their blessing for marriage?” This is a problem you have, too, given the fact that Regina isn't just part of the Jovian military but someone occupying an extremely prestigious role in it.

He winks, “I forgot to ask for it. Besides, I know the Duke would approve, he's a good sort.”

The two of you share a hearty chuckle. He doesn't seem like a bad person to you, he doesn't even seem to be hiding anything. For the cultist of an abomination that needs to be purged, you rather like him...but you suppose even good people can be brainwashed with enough cultural reinforcement. People like him, and like poor Countess le Kennedy, make you want to put your monosword through the Lady's heart all the more. Awful people being taken advantage of by an awful person, like the Green Skulls being taken advantage of by General Fairchild, are bad enough. Decent people being used as pawns to be callously discarded light-years from home in the name of fanaticism makes your blood boil, it harkens back to the dark old days of your people before the Nuclear Conflict, before the nation of India unleashed atomic fire upon Mecca and Medina in revenge for the atomic weapon detonated in their capital.

“Ah, by the way.” He asks once he recovers, “What's an Iron Kestrel?”

“A bird native to a certain asteroid belt.” You reply, smoothly.

He raises his eyebrows, “Must be a funny sort of bird. By the way, my manners are slipping. Sir Hector Van Damme, at your service.” He bows.

You bow back, “Mohammed Al-Tabir, and you have already done me a service.”

“In that case...mind giving me a ride? Just out of the city, I promise no tricks. You're giving me a rather suspicious look.” Hector smiles, gathering up his groceries...then looking up, up over the buildings, his smile vanishing, “By the Lady, he's gone and got a bigger one.”

[Continued]
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>>1082989
Okay, but what about that cockpit guy? He didn't surrender, he just got ejected by force, why did we spare him? Why didn't we fight to the death with Morgana, we could have killed her if we wanted to as she even expected it.

The way I see it, it seems more like Roarke hates the Lady but don't really hate her followers just for being stupid enough to fall into her plans and fighting for their nation, or he would just kill everyone of them without any mercy or chance of surrender like we did to the greenskulls.

>>1083011
>Which would link us the Iron Kestrels to Avalon when Irina "magically" appearing at the Space Jam.
Bro, just...What?
We aren't going to use them to steal Irina, from where did you get that? The plan is to MAYBE using them for distraction, either to attack or to escape, doing things that we could blame on "watching for an opening" or on "spies", not by sending them to kidnap her for us!

And that is just a possibility, it heavily depends on what info we get from him on this ride.
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>>1083042
Just because he doesn't kill people who surrender doesn't means he will work with the group
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>>1083034
Now THIS is useful info. Two factions with one for the Queen and one for the Lady. If we weaken the Lady faction but strengthen the Queen faction, then we could possibly divide Avalon and keep it functional after dealing with the Green Lady. Also, looks like the Delphinus is getting a show.
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>>1083059
Wasn't his main objetive just to sick both of them on each other and make money on their war?

Also, the guy on the cockpit DIDN'T surrendered, he decided on fighting to the death, then received a powerplant hit and had his cockpit taken out by his commander... In fact, we denied him death and made him live in deshonor... Also, we killed even the greenskulls that ejected, why didn't we did the same on the Avalonians if we hate them like greenman?
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>>1083042
MAYBE using them for distraction, either to attack or to escape, doing things that we could blame on "watching for an opening" or on "spies", not by sending them to kidnap her for us!

Let see headlines:

>AVALON ATTACK ON QU'LIR GARRISON, HEAD RESEARCHER MISSING IN ACTION

>MISSING HEAD RESEARCHER FOUND AT AUDITORIUM! IS RED SIREN A GREEN MAN SYMPATHIZER?

Yeah, if we kidnap Irina during an Avalon attack, that's what will give Fairchild the opening to take us out with overwhelming firepower.
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>>1083086
Because he was our prisoner not Josiah's. And the Avalonians haven't done enough to us for us to murder everyone we meet. The Greenskulls killed our friends and Captain.
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>>1083104
Personally, my main reservations with helping Avalon are tactical. I actually like them at least as much as Jupiter, and more than Mars.
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>>1083111
As far as I'll ever be concerned fuck everyone who isn't us especially Avalon but ESPECIALLY MARS
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>>1083111
If the Duke is from the Queen faction, then I respect them more than the Lady Faction.. which can explode if they don't see whats wrong with this whole thing. Think Belph would go for the Lady too if he believes in the strong.
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>>1083089
>We attack the ship or something
>Take Irina and make a run for it
>Before SOUL appears Avalon attacks another target and make them decide on either follow us or protect their ships/soldiers.

OR

>Avalon attacks on another place.
>SOUL goes there
>Then we attack the place where Irina is and kidnap her when they are occupied fighting.

We can blame this on just observing them and waiting to get an opening, or on having a spy that notified us on when they got out of the ship.

Or "Look, the avalonian spies leaked vital info on your problems again".

It doesn't automatically puts the heat on us.


>AVALON ATTACK ON QU'LIR GARRISON, HEAD RESEARCHER MISSING IN ACTION

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, like the Iron Kestrels are subtle when they kidnap someone... Remember last time? We destroyed a entire music room, had a duel with a professional fighter, Made a cinematografic scene with the Kaiser appearing from nothing and even made Keith pass out from light-years of distance with just a text...

We both know that this is going to be crazy even if we opt for trying black ops on them.

>>1083104
So we don't hate them like the greenman, this is what I'm pointing at.
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>>1083133
And I'm saying Roarke will never work with them or side with them because they're lead by a Greenman
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“Ah-ha! That's great! I felt a bit bad about last time...” Hector's brow furrows, “But that thing is just...it's too much. Now I'm the one that feels at a disadvantage.”

You turn around and spot what's clearly a pair of SOUL machines raining plasma fire down on a target in the streets, presumably the berserk mech, “More SOUL mecha? The UJCIDF is going to go bankrupt at this rate.” You grumble.

“Be nice.” Shukriya scolds you, pulling on your ear, “They're making them for us in the long run.” She comments with a smile almost innocent enough to cover up her real meaning. Loot. As clingy as she is, you suddenly want to give her a big kiss. You settle for a hug, which seems to satisfy her.

“Soul? Those things don't have any soul. They're not Paladins, whatever they are.” Hector crosses his arms, “That one, there, the one that doesn't look like a frog.” A smaller mecha zips around the two big ones, with the slender forward-thrust head reminiscent of the old Palomino series, “Not that one. The blue one with the cross-shaped sensor slit, that's the Blue Knight's strider.”

You frown, “Who is this Blue Knight, again?”

Hector chuckles, “The top ace of the Gas Knights and by far my favorite Jovian. It's nice to see the solar aborigines have learned some chivalry, as if you weren't an indicator of that, little friend.” He ruffles your hair again.

You gently but firmly push his hand away, “Thank you. You may ride with us out of the city, if you don't mind telling us about the situation on this planet.” Even though you are resolved not to besmirch the reputation of the Iron Kestrels or endanger your fleet's position in the Belt by directly working with Avalon information is still information and always useful. Besides, if the rest of your group does support kidnapping Irina Kim or whatever she calls herself over simply enduring a disappointed Red Siren's inevitable tantrum, it's not collusion to quietly abduct her during the middle of an offensive operation against Avalon that leaves her ship lightly defended...right?

As for your tastes, you think the Zulfiqar is the pinnacle of efficient mecha design. This one is a bit less symmetrical, but it's stylish in its own way, you're aware of your biases. Aside from your unconditional love for your own mech, your favorite SOUL units are those like the Flowerhorn and S-Betta that favor subtle weapon placement.

[Continued in an hour so Wong can eat]
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>>1083133
There's a difference.
>Remember last time? We destroyed a entire music room, had a duel with a professional fighter, Made a cinematografic scene with the Kaiser appearing from nothing and even made Keith pass out from light-years of distance with just a text...

One's the action of dashing rogue who are against the Authority but still is a patriot to his home nation. The other's a traitor who aided the enemies of the nation to sabotage the war effort.
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>>1083129
Ah yes TB. Fuck them or FUCK them.

This is basically Thunderbird in a post. Kill or seduce.
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>>1083152
Family comes first
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>>1083150
"Odd. I was under the impression that the top Jovian ace was Colonel Stern. He fought the Duke and his escorts over Mars singlehanded."
Lets scare the crap out of him for giggles.
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I'm just putting this out there. I will not condone a kidnapping operation on Irina until someone can convince me or put together a plan that will not implicate the Iron Kestrels are allied with Avalon.
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>>1083133
Wouldn't you use your enemies to make them screw each other and make your life easier? Specially when you dislike their leaders?
We aren't "helping" them, we can work with one and the other just to screw both of them...

But there is another question, Roarke doesn't really know about this, but he would probably use the faction split between them to his advantage, even more if he can use it to directly screw the lady by making her lose political influence on her on planet... And while he don't even know about it yet, he already saw that even a paladin started to have doubts when he confronted with reality, and this could give him ideas on the possible applications of this fact... In other words, it is not impossible to sabotage her influence, and this could be a weapon of personal revenge or justice for him to use against her.
But to make it work, you would need to have at least some contact with them, thats why I want to have the belt as neutral ground even for avalonians if possible... IF they aren't trying to dominate us.
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>>1083042
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There is no money in killing them, Or in those cases ransoming them back is better
>>1083086 Don't hate Avalonians, Hate their leader, Until that Immortal bitch is dead there will be no working with them
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>>1083188
>>1083143
Oops, linked to the wrong post
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>>1083133
just observing them and waiting to get an opening
>Or we could actually just watch and wait for an opening
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>>1083193
They would also have to admit their god was a giant shithead and deserved to be executed
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>>1083181
>>1083150
Absolutely. Bonus points if we mention some crazy rumor about a boxer fleeing his wrath long ago.
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>>1083185

I'm obviously not taking sides, but I will point out that Lysa Fleur is a Jovian asset too.
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>>1083208
No point salting the wound there thunder, Her just being dead would be enough
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>>1083227
Problem with that is their still allied with a monster that almost destroyed humanity. And if we do kill any Avalonian that still believe in her will want to kill us super hard and most moderates would still dislike us. The only way we can work with them is if they realize how shitty the Greenmen are.
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>>1083223
wait i thought the pink haired jovian had not much of an ass
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>>1083223
Lysa Fleur has a prior engagement at the Auditorium and it's still in line with the dashing, rebellious rogue image we have.
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>>1083215
>>1083150
I approve. Horror stories of Col. Stern is a must.
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>>1083238
But they are subserviant to her not allied, Also What made you think i was suggesting WE kill her, The jovians will do that on their own.
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>>1083326
They love her and almost all of them are willing to kill themselves in her name. And because we already said we would if we ever met her and come on this is a mech anime, we're going to end up fighting her
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>>1083150
>>1083181
This
>>1083193
The ransoming part might be true, but we wouldn't ransom Fairchild or First Mate, so we don't really hate the Avalons per se... and about working with them I don't exactly agree, as negotiating with the Duke isn't working in favor to the Lady, and just helping the jovians and martians against them would end with both of them forcing us into a vassal state by pressing us from both sides... And there is the fact that the Lady actually wins if Duke Kirito dies in his mission as he is her most powerfull opposition inside the paladins, but Roarke doesn't know that.

I think we should be open to negotiations and offers when it go in favor to our objectives... And that we could pull a bahamutcorp on these guys and try to avoid having the Duke killed, as his presence make everyone focus on them and give us more freedom of operations.
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>>1083338
You mean the second strongest Paladin who she raised up? The one whose only goal is to be back home with his wife and kid? That Paladin?
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>>1083261
Irina has even more reason to be there, and we can be even more dashing if we went to another system and kidnaped her during a battle when we were risking getting shot by both sides.

>>1083335
At this point I'm not certain on it, I expected to have Roarke fighting her... But that is getting more and more harder to belive when taking in consideration that he isn't goin to be the POV in generation two.

I think that this is going to depend on how far wong will let this plot go, and how relevant its going to be in the next generation, because after the Duke goes away.... What reason will we have to take our armies there to end the war and risk losing what we already have here?

>>1083387
Remeber his backstory, he isn't faithful as his wife, is skeptical with all the mysticism and ooga-booga, wasn't even to be here, is a Duke and more loyal to the Queen than to the Lady... And was send to a suicidal mission with the two of the most problematic Paladins.

My guess is that the lady plans to make him a martyr and to get even more inside his wife head when he is gone, making her a even more powerfull paladin and sending her to get revenge on Sol.

I also bet that she has things to win in the case Lori and her cousin die, I'm almost certain of it.

...And if you want to see her like an old one with centuries of experience to call upon, she could even have handpicked everyone on their ships to cause a certain result on this mission and maybe even Victor is a piece on her bizzare and complex plan.
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>>1083387
Perhaps, but from the sounds of it, being raised up does not mean devotion to the point of stupidity. Of the higher paladins we met, He's the more moderate of the lot and seems more for the Queen. Having those who support their country over their 'god' will help. Especially if it means fracturing the power base. Remember, Roland also fancies the Queen. If 2 of the top 4 Paladins with Seniority go 'Fuck the Goddess, the Queen is more important', then we may be able to divide them. Makes the final strike on the green lady easier and snuffs Fairchild's plans in that regard.
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You help the Avalonian load his groceries into the trunk of the groundcar and he climbs into the backseat, while you take up the driver's position and Shukriya rides shotgun, “That's odd.” You comment, “I was under the impression that the Jovian top ace is Colonel Ziemowit Stern. He reputedly dueled Duke Eustace of the big golden mech singlehandedly over Mars, according to a man who was there.”

“And he survived?” Hector stares, flabbergasted.

“By all accounts he came as close to winning as possible, but the man I heard it from said both were damaged, and he's one of Stern's pupils. This Blue Knight is a decent pilot, but the Jovians have much better ones. The Butcher, for instance.”

“She retired.” Hector is quick to respond.

You shoot him a suspicious look, “How did you know that? For that matter, how did you know that the Butcher is a she? One would normally assume that to be a man's nickname.”

He shrugs, “I heard it from a certain well-traveled man. The story goes that the Butcher was a Jovian heroine of extreme beauty and ferocity, more devil than woman, yet love softened her heart and when she fell on the battlefield she abandoned war to pursue the object of her affections.”

“That's remarkably detailed.” You confess, “Except for the part where you make it sound like falling in love turned her into a demure, blushing maiden instead of a love-crazed efreeti with a blade.”

“You sound like you know her.” Hector remarks.

“I do.” You reply, “I've crossed swords with her.” And you have the bruises to remember it by.

The Avalonian laughs, “By the Lady, I can hear you wincing. I confess, I wasn't quite ranking Gas Knight aces by skill with a strider, but rather by how well they lead and work with their resources. It's one thing to win a duel, it's quite another to retake an entire captive ship with one companion and nonlethal rounds.”

“What about destroying an entire pirate fleet with one Bluegill and a sword?” You query.

He raises his eyebrows, “Anyone who can do that would be a terrifying foe, whatever a Bluegill is.”

“The little cute ones with the cute bucket shaped heads and cute monoeyes and cute little legs that remind me of cute little boots.” Shukriya clarifies.

“That's one.” You point at one of the local defense force's mecha as it rumbles along an adjacent street.

“In one of those!?” Hector stares, “That's tiny!”

“Even the greatest pirate of the Solar System has taken pains to avoid entering battle with Stern.” You nod your head wisely, “Even devils fear him.”

“By the Lady...” The knight slumps back into his seat, his face pale.

“Did you message Pierre?” You ask Shukriya quietly.

She nods, “He's waiting for us, take this route...and he'll be here.” She displays a holomap on her PC. You adjust your course to match her route, relieved that the worst of the tremors seem to be over and done with.

[Continued]
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>>1083465
That would work if the queen isn't all for the lady. If she is I doubt Roland and Kirito will betray her and without those two no one else will rebel
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>>1083471
Stern OP pls nerf
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>>1083471
colonel stern is a god damn badass and one of the only reasons i don't want to destroy the jovians.
the avalonians are right to fear him.
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>>1083474
We don't know the exactly situation yet... But there is a chance of persuading them to do a "intervention" on the queen if they learn about the spores and start getting paranoid over it.

>>1083471
Tell him about the butcher... Them tell him about Lori, lets see if he breaks under the shadow of the Black Ogre!
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>>1083505
>Stern OP pls never nerf

FTFY.
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>>1083523
He knows a lot about clemmy already, and moe already let on that she's still as fierce a fighter as ever in that same post.
telling him about Lori would be pushing it too hard, I think we've said enough, anymore than this and we're the one letting info slip.
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>>1083471
It's only appropriate that the man with 11 in his pilot skill should be a legend.
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>>1083471
>>1083523
actualy i would love to tell story's of the black ogre, knuckle kaiser whatever.
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“So, how is Qu'lir treating you?” You enquire.

The knight sighs, “Poorly. Ostensibly, the Solar forces are attempting a soft takeover of this world, and because of their cultural stance on genemodded humans a resistance faction formed. It was initially nativist, and if I had my way it would've stayed that way. Sadly, I'm not in charge on this planet. In keeping with our government's policy, we came here to train Qu'lir's people to defend themselves and give them the means to seek independence...but then Count Lucas Ford was placed in charge.” He scowls, “Count Ford believes that this is all propaganda, and his cynical views cause him to view this as a pure duel for control over Qu'lir and its resources between the Solars and Avalon, with the natives as nothing but pieces. I don't understand what the Lady is thinking, sending two fanatical Paladins to this world instead of my Duke or the warrior Belegor. The Duke is a true hero, and despite Belegor's brutality he has no interest in titles or influence beyond defeating every enemy that stands in his way. He is respected by his subordinates and could undoubtedly have marshaled a more effective defense. Or he would simply have killed every solar aborigine in his path. I would take his blunt pursuit of his own dark dream over Ford's twisted charisma any day. Initially, this world was a side-thought to the true war, but then tragedy struck. A second paladin, the fanatic witch Duchess Maria Carnegie, the rival of my own master...and again, don't breathe a word of this to Liza or I'll be sleeping alone for a month...the mother-in-law of nightmares herself, was dispatched here to acquire a specific person. Apparently our sources in the Solar System delivered information that the youngest son of Jupiter's highest noble had a psychological profile indicating potential sympathy for our cause. Now, Count Ford believes that the goal of retrieving him was to make him a Paladin, cast out poor Countess le Kennedy of the fallen Anseis and abandon her to the wolves, and break the morale of Jupiter with one of their own princes at the forefront of our army...but I do not agree. I think it was hoped that, perhaps, he could serve as a bridge between our peoples and negotiate a peace. This constant escalation of the war, this squabbling over worlds and colonies, all it will do is bring back the horrors of the conflict that erased the Lady's people. I cannot believe she would seek such a thing again. Instead of either scenario, the worst possible thing happened.”

“What's that?” You ask, suspecting you might already know.

[Continued]
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>>1083620
Bad Formatting Mr.Wong. Wallotext hurts my eyes.
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>>1083620
You, uh, might want to split this one up a bit more Wong.
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Hector smiles bitterly, “The Duchess was shot down and taken prisoner by the Blue Knight. Suddenly, this planet became important to the Jovians, a symbol of their strength and determination. That is why they dispatched additional forces here, likely in hopes of bagging another Paladin. I fear without reinforcements of our own we will inevitably lose this world, and if we get them Qu'lir will vanish into an ocean of blood as both sides refuse to yield.” He shakes his head, "I dream of a galaxy of free planets, with no empires and no superpowers...but it is only a dream. I am a man grown, and such a thing may never be possible. I have to live in the real world, in what exists."

“How much do you know about the Countess' loss, speaking of downed Paladins?” You inquire.

He grins wryly, “Enough to know that an Iron Kestrel is a strange bird of the asteroids indeed, and that Mohammed Al-Tabir tells the truth as opaquely as possible.”

You nod silently, acknowledging the point. Up ahead, you see Pierre, his civilian clothes stained and thoroughly disheveled, a rain poncho keeping the downpour off of him. He looks up with a grumpy expression on his face, spots you, and gives you a desultory smile and wave as you slow to a stop.

“Took you long enough. Did you run into any trouble?” He grumbles, climbing into the groundcar.

Hector gives him a cheerful wave, “Hail, friend, I hope you weren't too drenched.”

[Continued]
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>>1083663
>>1083674

And now it's too late. I'm sorry, guys, I would have deleted it and reformatted it if I hadn't already posted the rest.
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Awyes it's Moe time.
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>>1083708
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>>1083708
one supped up Exia
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>>1083680
>Hector gives him a cheerful wave, “Hail, friend, I hope you weren't too drenched.”
Wong is making me like him more and more...

What do you guys think that we should ask next? Should we throw a bone to him and see how him reacts?

Wong, please tell us when we are approaching the end of the ride, as we are probably going to wait to end before being more talkative...

For now, lets see how these two will interact... And hope that they don't end in a duel or something...
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>>1083731

Now would be a good time. Or, rather, after the next post.
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I still feel guilty about that formatting, were most of you able to get through that wall of text alright? I just now realized it might be pretty awful for phone users.
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>>1083766
I'm on my laptop, luckily. I just highlight lines I've already gone over. It makes it a lot easier to read.
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>>1083766
I'm alright. I am use to much worse and doing so myself. Just take it as some advice and keep with doing a good story.
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>>1083766
>>1083776
same
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>>1083034
>> it harkens back to the dark old days of your people before the Nuclear Conflict, before the nation of India unleashed atomic fire upon Mecca and Medina in revenge for the atomic weapon detonated in their capital.

I see Cyborg Ghandi lives in this timeline, truly the darkest timeline yet best.
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>>1083766
It was just a bit hard to read in a moving vehicle but no sweat wong.

>>1083731
The thing is what should we mention. And I am rather curious about the intention to bring back garma to negotiate a peace settlement.
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>>1083791
It's funny how while we worry about people not dying making this entire scenario seem 'dull' by anime standards, but then you realize that after ALLLL the shit humanity has been through including the Revenge of Ghandi, green men, and losing 2/3rds in general, being easy on the murder is probably one of the more logical steps for humanity.
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Does the Zuqlifar look like this now?
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>>1083791

There's also the fact that India and Pakistan both have nukes, share a border, and despise the ever-living fuck out of each other. For real I think they're more dangerous than North Korea.

Let's just pretend the Civ reference was intentional, shall we?
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>>1083842
Agreed, most likely it would have been one of the provisions of any Conventions done in regards war drafted by the survivors.
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>>1083850
To be fair, even Japan's military is more dangerous than North Korea's. And their aircraft carries can only carry attack helicopters.
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>>1083801
Stories of the past are cool and all but we really need to discover what is their next step...

I think that we could try to shill him for the Kestrels, be shady about Roarke's relation to the Duke and try have him play along into feeding us info by telling him things that aren't much important, like what the Kestrels really are... What happened to the butcher, Stein background, the invasion of mars... You know, adventure stories with superficial serious info.

... We could also try to spill the truth about why we are here, but I'm not sure about how far we should go on this.
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>>1083850
Oh it was Wong, I suspect you and I share a hive mind somewhere out there given our shared Jesta love.
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>>1083847
Wait... Did you paint that yourself?
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>>1083842

People are still dying in this war, for sure, the Kestrels just haven't taken many losses because Roarke is awesome at being Roarke and has also avoided killing SSL troops so far. Now that I think about it, there's been rather a lot of death, it's just generally been offscreen when it hasn't been happening to people Roarke absolutely needed to kill.

>>1083863

I love the Jesta so much I retconned it out of being the Palomino II to make it the SOUL MP Mustang.
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>>1083872
Ah, no my Exia is just metallic Blue on Blue, some random guy on internet, BR :)
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It's not something you think people often notice about Pierre Blanchett, he's not the unbluffable, subtle creature his sister is, but you have come to realize after spending some time in his company that Pierre Blanchett is a natural squad leader for a good many reasons and one of them is his remarkable perceptiveness. Unlike the unfortunate Lieutenant Rabban, he doesn't need to hear the sentence repeated. He leans across Hector and pulls the handle for the door on that side, making it swing open as he throws his weight against the Avalonian, “Out, veggie-lover!”

“Steady on, I was invited!” Hector shoves back, grappling with Pierre. He still nearly gets thrown right out of the groundcar, but manages just barely to stay inside, one foot hooked under the seating bench and a hand tightly gripping the internal ceiling gunrack this model came with.

“I don't know what you're playing at or trying to talk the kids into, but the ONLY reason I'm not dragging you to those cruisers parked outside the city and telling them to give you their least-comfortable cell is because I've got business of my own here.” Pierre gets a canoe-sized boot planted on Hector's chest, “Out out out out OUT!”

You try to focus on driving and not on the wrestling match going on in the backseat as Hector twists and angles his body to absorb the force of Pierre's kicks on his armored civilian-model flightsuit, a Jovian design that stands out a lot less than the more knightly variants you've seen on Loriette's people. Shukriya, though, turns around with a scowl and snatches Hector's shock baton, “Boys, behave!” She brandishes it at them, and they both shrink away from it to huddle on the bench trying to avoid her scolding swings and the tirade of angry feminine Arabic denouncing them as savages and brigands.

“Shuk, stop that, those really hurt.” You wince, and pat her thigh.

She sighs and smiles at you, “Only because you asked me to. Those two are spoiling our extended date.”

“Extended date?” Hector asks Pierre.

The Jovian shrugs, “Don't ask me. I don't know. I don't wanna know. She insisted on coming along and according to her cousin, who I've seen for myself is a damned good pilot, little Shukriya here is a pretty deft hand with jetform mecha. We thought she'd be useful for scouting.”

Shukriya smiles sweetly, “Jet combat is a lovely and feminine hobby and the best way to support my cute Mohammed.”

Pierre and Hector trade uneasy glances.

>[Anything else you want to bring up with Hector before you let him off outside the city limits?]
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>>1083896
Oh, okay...
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>>1083881
>>1083842

It's still a good point though that there's a BIT less emphasis on killing with the population so reduced.
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>>1083901
>Nothing, you don't want to betray the trust of the Admiral by going out information that isn't yours to give out
Moe isn't a squealer
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>>1083901
So....Hector, Shuk wants a pet Veggie lover.....
I mean err Avalonian.
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>>1083901
>tell some stories on how (rightly) awesome the admiral is.
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>>1083901
Moe moe you have got a fucking keeper here
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>>1083901
>they both shrink away from it to huddle on the bench trying to avoid her scolding swings and the tirade of angry feminine Arabic denouncing them as savages and brigands

Say nothing. Hector just SEEMS stupid.
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>>1083901
>Jet combat is a lovely and feminine hobby

Hakim Best Caliph. Of all time.
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>>1083901
Mention that there is talk of free lands in the belt that will most likely remain neutral in the war. He can take it or leave it, but either way it is what it is.
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>>1083901
"You talked much about the past, effendi, but what about the future? Strange birds of the asteroid like us wouldn't want to get in a cross-fire while we're staying here... And I think that if your Duke is like what the Admiral told us, he wouldn't want that either."

Do not confirm anything, but imply that our misfortune wouldn't be in the best interest of his Duke... What is partially true, as he seems to not want to have kestrel blood on his hands for now... And try to see if he would like to be a buddy and tell us sweet and useful info.
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As a second choice...

>[Be cold to Shukriya and tease her]
>[Be warm to Shukriya and give her affection]
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>>1083950
>[Warmly tease her]
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>>1083950
>[Be warm to Shukriya and give her affection]
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>>1083950
>>[Be warm to Shukriya and give her affection]
But not much, don't want to spoil her.
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>>1083952
>>1083950
dis
light teasing in a kind and loving manner
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>>1083950
>[Be warm to Shukriya and give her affection]
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>>1083949
He's not going to betray his homeland stop trying to get everyone to join us. That's how you get spies in your organization who will try to assassinate you which is exactly what happened
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>>1083950
>Warmly tease Shukriya
Unleash All that you have learned from The Admiral
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>>1083950
>>1083952
Seconded.
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>>1083957
We'll not just teasing her, we'll be teasing the two in the backseat. Because 'get a room'
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People, I know that friendly chat with Hector is cool, but we have to make him spill something out, something more usefull than just that, even if we need to give some info too in exchange.

>>1083964
I never said that we should interact with him again, just try to take out the info we can for now and leave him be, conspiring for long isn't worthy enough for the risk.
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>>1083950
>>[Be warm to Shukriya and tease her]

Honestly, Wong. Were you expecting anything else from the great-disciple of the Legendary Ozark?
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>>1083972
Almost every person in the military who knows any important information and isn't an emotional teenager won't let info slip. They get trained how to never do that.
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>>1083901
Perhaps we could mention that if the intent to sue for peace is sincere, he could send word to his duke to try sending someone to the belt.

It wont be a fast thing but with pirates being a more relatively neutral 3rd party in the conflict, save preventing another incursion of green men, it could be a neutral meeting ground.
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>>1083982
>never

Hahaha, no. You resist until you hit your line, you give them as little as possible when you do break, and you make them start back from the beginning when they come back. The only thing never gets you is a bullet to the brain.
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>>1083982
Part of the point of SERE training is to show that you always break. Its only a matter of time.
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>>1083982
There is no problem in trying, he knows that we aren't friends of sol after seeing that fight there, and probably already suspects of our involvement with Roarke, worst case he is just going to say no, thanks us and go away... Best case he will give us a tip and maybe try to propose something, which we can just deny.

We have nothing to lose, and other anons want to just tell him some adventure stories and maybe make him a better Roarke impersonificator
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>>1083991
>>1084005
Really? Didn't know that, thought for the most part they trained you to give nothing and just take the bullet for your country. Learn something new everyday.
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>>1083731
You tend to like literally anything avalon.
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>>1084026
dead soldiers make for pretty bad soldiers. Likewise, knowing your limit and supplying little information prevents them from doing big things and giving them a lot of information when you break.
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>>1083881
>I love the Jesta so much I retconned it out of being the Palomino II to make it the SOUL MP Mustang.

Which one is the Mustang again?

And I too love the Jesta.
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>>1084055
But point is he won't give us any worthwhile info right?
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>>1084059
the point is to last as long as you can for rescue to come for you
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>>1084026
Part of what they train you in is techniques to increase your resistance and how to disassemble and give half truths before you give in.

This way at least your captors will get any time sensitive data late enough that it doesnt matter.
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>>1084041
It is more because of his personality than Avalonian elements.
>>1084059
He probably isn't going to give us any info that could be used against him and his people, but there is a chance of him getting curious about the reason we are here and see this as an opportunity... If we bait him into thinking that we mean trouble for his enemies.

And we are trouble, and have no reason to try to hide it now that Irina has warned them about us.
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>>1084059
Yes, but not for the reason you're thinking. It's literally not worthwhile because the benefit of true intelligence is almost always outweighed by the time cost. Even if you get something good out of a prisoner, there's always the chance that it has become outdated and that chance increases every minute he's in captivity.

Professional interrogators have jobs for a reason.
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>>1084056

Well, while all of the non-MP SOUL mecha are individuals, most have the same frame. All Bahamutcorp Medium-Weighters use the Bass frame (advanced melee versions have Light Heavy arms), while the Bucephalus ones use the Mustang frame. You've seen almost no new Mustangs so far, though, because the Mustang is literally a remake of the Thoroughbred MP and until recently they were doing things like using a War-era Thoroughbred MP to construct the S-Flowerhorn or copying Thoroughbred-X to make the S-Slinger.

MP SOUL mecha don't have individual project names, they're called something like "Bass Trooper" or "Mustang Sniper".

One early Mustang frame, incidentally, is in the Zulfiqar.
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>>1084092
Admittedly, Interrogators who operate on Psychology are FAR more effective than this who use torture.
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>>1084083
An opportunity for what? He isn't going to betray Avalon most people won't betray their country and family just because someone was nice to them.

>>1084092
Interesting, thanks for the info anon
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>>1084097
Huh, interesting.

Is the Mustang a Mediumweight mech then?
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>>1083338
Also I missed this Post, But Brazil Negotiating is not the same as working with. Negotiation is fine, But Actual cooperation? no. as i said before Roarke as we have played him views Wider Avalon itself with indifference,but hates the lady, Also How could mars and Jove press us from both sides when we are on the outside of them?

And it would be retarded of them to consider doing so since it would ruin the status quo if anything Mars will eventually try to invade, and jove will either support us or stay neutral
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Shukriya looks at you sidelong, seeming a little hurt, “Did I say something strange?”

You find yourself smiling a little. It's true you miss Regina. It's true that Shukriya has spent much of your time together prior to you becoming a pirate finding new and creative ways to annoy you. It's true she stalks you and doesn't always remember you have personal space. Still, the Admiral was right, you don't want to hide in a cupboard from her. You're objective enough to admit that you've grown really used to having her around, that she's a piece of your life whether she forced her way in there or not...and you're glad she did. You shake your head sorrowfully, “Only when you called this an extended date.” You frown, “I thought all of our time together since Mars had been one long date? Did you have other reasons for leaving the homeworld? Alas, my poor pride is crushed underfoot, I thought I was the reason you came to space.”

She squeals, covering her mouth, “M-M-Moe!? Oh no, no you do not understand, I came to be with you! I wanted you back! Pirates can take everything else, but I won't give you up even if I have to become a villain or worse, lose all inheritance and lands!” She promises. It would be threatening if she didn't have such a cute expression.

Pierre makes a retching sound. Hector clears his throat loudly, “Sir Mohammed, we're still here...” You gloriously ignore them both.

By Allah, how have you spent so much time moping? You can and WILL get Regina, but you are a disciple of the Black Ogre! A disciple of the Black Ogre does not close his heart in the face of obstacles, he opens it! You casually, blatantly put your arm around her, “Space is too cold for me without you. I couldn't ask you to leave Mars, or even think of it, but I'm glad you came.”

Her lower lip wobbles, “Moeeeee~”

>[Lay it on thick]
>[Show restraint]
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>>1083850
Let's be honest, North Korea will never be a real threat.

And while India despises Pakistan, Indian foreign policy is much more concerned with China and Russia.
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>>1084121
>>[Show restraint]
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>>1084121
>[Show restraint]

A true warrior knows his limits. We have not yet attained the glorious heights of our master.

And while Moe might be following the Path of Ozark, he's still, well, Moe.
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>>1084110

Technically it's a frame, but it's also a mech, yes, if you're referring to the MP versions...although really you could say all new-model Bahamutcorp Medium Weight machines are Mustangs since they technically retired the Thoroughbred MP line. Every mech Roarke has identified as "an S-Slayer", and Irina made the same mistake so you can't blame him for it, is basically a Mustang.
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>>1084123
You underestimated their hate. India and Pakistan is basically an extended civil war.
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>>1084121
>>[Lay it on thick]
Imagine your talking to your mech Moe
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>>1084121
>[Show restraint]

I wonder what Caesar is up to.
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>>1084121
>By Allah, how have you spent so much time moping? You can and WILL get Regina, but you are a disciple of the Black Ogre! A disciple of the Black Ogre does not close his heart in the face of obstacles, he opens it! You casually, blatantly put your arm around her, “Space is too cold for me without you. I couldn't ask you to leave Mars, or even think of it, but I'm glad you came.”
Fuck yeah Moe.

>[Show restraint]
But we do have to check in with Regina before going full martian marriage.
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>>1084137
oh jesus
>>1084121
>[Lay it on thick]
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>>1084121

For once I'm casting a vote.

>[Lay it on thick]
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>>1084121
>[Show restraint]
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>>1084133
Hummm. I want to steal some.
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>>1084121
>>[Lay it on thick]
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>>1084121
>[Lay it on thick]
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>>1084121
>>[Lay it on thick]
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>>1084121
>>[Lay it on thick]
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>>1084121
>[Lay it on thick]
I want to make both Avalonian and Jovian feel the discomfort and unite under it.
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>>1084139

I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with Snideo Hames.
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>>1084121
>[Lay it on thick]

>>1084145
Well fine.
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>>1084161
Did he even notice the Earthquake?
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>>1084137
>>1084103
So... Is this what you guys called Psychological torture? Because Hector and Pierre seem on the edge of breaking!
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>>1084161
Why is he recording a guy named James? Naomi getting captured really fucked him up
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>>1084097
I've always wondered if there was a Cyldesdale Frame. CRUSH AND SMASH!
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>>1084174
No it was space, /d/ That did that, i swear this place itself makes people raise their standards of disgust
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>>1084103
People on 4chan always say that but I have never seen any test records.
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Normally, you'd be embarrassed with this sort of florid speech, part of the reason why you're taken seriously despite your age is because you're cool and professional, but this is for her. You have a gift for understanding people, and you realize that you abrogating your own cool demeanor to acknowledge her like this means much, much more than you initially suspected, “My darling peach blossom, I never thanked you for saving my life.” Well, technically you're fairly sure you could have beaten Lieutenant Rabban, but you could also have been shot and there's no harm fudging the scales in her favor.

“Really, we can hear all of this. Is this normal for Martians?” Hector looks askance at Pierre.

Pierre shrugs, “She's always following him around, but I don't think it's normal for them or for the human race in general.”

“Even this miserable rain is beautiful when it's shared with you.” You tell her, watching the road mostly through peripheral vision, “Let other pirates of legend have their treasure hoards, my princess Shukriya gleams more brightly than any.”

She clasps her hands over her mouth again, “Mohammed...Moe...m-my Mohammed...” Moisture glitters at the corners of her eyes, “I love you. I love you I love you I love you I love you! I always have!” She wails, tears trickling down her cheeks, “E-E-Ever since u-uncle Ahmad hired you! Y-you're the only...ththe o-only...!” She's so emotional she's stuttering, and not a cute little stutter like in your teacher's ancient Terran animated stories, full on having-trouble-speaking stuttering.

>[Tell her you love her right now]
>[No it's too embarrassing!]
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>>1084121
Also... Moe's girl just outed us for real, how much should we reveal to hector? I still think that we could at least get some info on our common enemy and their next plan or something
>>1084104
Did you ever heard that expression "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Giving non classified info to your enemy's enemies isn't betraying your country, is just making your enemy's life even worse.

>>1084112
About cooperating... What does that means to you? I'm against doing anything for free to them, but selling some services seems reasonable if our mutual interests meet on that moment... What isn't going to happen anytime soon, as we are...UGH... allied with fairchild...

About the belt... I'm a little lost now, wasn't people here talking about the belt being the thing were jovian and martian powers met? I assumed that it acted like some sort of frontier somehow... I think I should just have checked a map.
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>>1084214
>>[Tell her you love her right now]
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>>1084214
>[Tell her you love her right now]

Roarke would kill us if we did anything else.
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>>1084214
>[Tell her you love her right now]
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>>1084214
>[Tell her you love her right now]
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>>1084184

There is actually the Budweiser Construction Mech, it's interesting for being one of the few examples of a non-bipedal Jovian mech, essentially based off the skeletal structure of a bear (although it doesn't look like one unlike some of the more fanciful Martian mechabeasts). Tremendously heavy, quite slow, it's not meant for military use but sees quite a lot of application in colony construction.
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>>1084214
>[Tell her you love her right now]

LAY ON THE HAM!
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>>1084214
>>[Tell her you love her right now]
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>>1084217
>Also... Moe's girl just outed us for real, how much should we reveal to hector? I still think that we could at least get some info on our common enemy and their next plan or something
Not really, he was informed of who the Kestrels are and we made it pretty damn clear.
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>>1084214
>>[Tell her you love her right now]
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>>1084214
>>[Tell her you love her right now]
You may be muslims, but you are going to be eating so much HAM tonight.
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>>1084217
He literally told us earlier he knew we worked for Roarke.
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>>1084214
>tell her you love her you fool!
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>>1084217
>"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Giving non classified info to your enemy's enemies isn't betraying your country, is just making your enemy's life even worse.

Problem, the hare does not antagonize the bear that is within's arms reach.
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>>1084236
Maybe I'm crazy but... Why don't we just tell him why we are here? What can he do? Spill the beans for the jovians?
>>1084250
A hare within the range of a bear is already dead and have lothing to lose, "Even a rat when cornered will fight back" says another saying.
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>>1084227
Oh Wong you MAGNIFICENT BASTARD. Martian Mechabeasts are a canon thing? I'm grinning so hard right now. Can imagine a giant Mecha Clydesdale galloping full tilt while the Knuckle Kaiser rides it.
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“Can this wait?” Protests Pierre, “By Jove, it's bad enough when it's Roarke and Samantha, at least they're discreet!”

Allah should smite Pierre for lying, the Admiral and Pierre's sister are not discreet in the slightest.

“This reminds me of the time I tried to serenade Liza back on Avalon. I had to dodge attacks from the Berenger and some very harsh criticism from the Duchess regarding my proficiency with the lute...” Hector starts, but you can tell he's trying to distract you. It won't work. You are like a guided missile homing in on your mark, unstoppable as the pull of gravity.

You take Shukriya's hand in yours, the other still on the wheel.

The Admiral would kill you if you didn't tell her now, but you don't even think about that. This isn't about being the disciple of the legendary Roarke Starwind and heir to Jeremy Ozark. This isn't about Oda's teachings or the platonic ideal of waifus. This is about Shukriya, “Thank you.” You tell her softly, “Thank you for pushing when I was afraid to. I love you, Shukriya. I...” You fish for some other metaphor and come up short, your voice going a little hoarse, “Damn it all I love you so much.”

“MOHAMMED!” She cries out, and jumps on you, hugging you tight and sobbing with joy.

Pierre, thankfully, has the foresight and height to lunge over the back of the seat and grab the wheel, steering the groundcar into the grass along the side of the road as you put on the brake.

“Well, this is the edge of the city so I'll just...get going then. Um. Congratulations! Well done! Have fun! I'd say 'don't do anything I wouldn't do', but I'm not the person to look up to.” Hector lets himself out, retrieves his groceries, and departs.

"Be absolutely goddamn thankful you aren't UJCIDF cadets or I would roar a bloody strip out of you damned greenhorns and your damned romance." Pierre growls.

You don't care at ALL!

[Continued]
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>>1084255
>A hare within the range of a bear is already dead and have nothing to lose.

Only applicable when the bear views the hare as its current dinner. We are at the stage where the bear still hasn't decided yet.
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>>1084272
Also a hare is going to run regardless unless its either physically caught or its too tired to keep going.
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MECHABEASTS. WHO CARES. MECHA BEASTS. THE FIVE LIONS OF HAKIM FORM VOLTRON WOOO HOO
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>>1084277
But we can't run, not without abandoning those who rely on our protection. BR's not so subtle attempts to ally us to Avalon shifts us from neutral-possibly allied faction to hostile-please-eliminate status in the eyes of the Jovian Senate.
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>>1084280
ABSOLUTELY HARAM! VOLTRON IS THE INFIDEL'S ATTEMPT TO ATTACK ISLAM!
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>>1084288

Devil's advocate, and I'm saying this PURELY to cause trouble with zero actual thought put into it...but one might say that seeming OPEN to allying with Avalon somewhat would also force the Jovians to use a light touch or risk having you turn the Belt into a permanent Avalonian base. Can't shoot up Auditorium if the Duke's flagship and more like it are sitting on it.
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>>1084271
>Hector lets himself out, retrieves his groceries, and departs.

Wait, why is Hector getting groceries in Innsmouth?
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>>1084292
Supply/Intel Run. Duh.
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We really need to go full medieval switzerland and just train everyone to make a square of pike, but with mechs, in space
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>>1084288
I was just talking about hares. They are quite tasty. Also a terrible comparison for us. A bear is never going to get even slightly injured by a hare, they kill like lions and tigers 90% of the time they have been forced to fight. We'd be more like a wolf or a big dog or an unarmed human or something. Would still lose in a fight but could at least cause an injury.
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>>1084290
Works if the Belt can expect regular reinforcements from Avalon and they don't have a genocidal, egotistical, conniving, butch general advocating a Mekong and Wels strike force to annihilate the Auditorium.
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>>1084297
More like a Wolverine really. Incredibly dangerous to most things and still pretty dangerous to everything else.
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>>1084272
>>1084277
My bad, I thought that the metaphor was about Hector being cornered by UJCIDF, not about the belt situation.

About that, you guys should stop assuming that I want an open alliance, I was suggesting to keep things loose and not comitting to any serious or more permanet alliance with hector for now... And about the belt, how can we be "neutral" when we have jovians and martians going in and out of our turf EVERYDAY but the avalonians are banned? We should at least keep the fear of it being a possibility on the air, or they will just assume that we are a vassal state and will push their agenda again and again on us as soon that the Duke goes away, and you will still be saying "But we can't oppose Jupiter yet! because they can shoot us!"
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>>1084306
Maybe after we sort out some new mook mechs. Right now we are pretty shit apart from a handful of super strong guys.
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>>1084217
Cooperation i as i see it is, Talk of an alliance, Actually working together while our troops are on the ground*|So long as the lady lives and Unless the fucking galaxy is about to explode i will oppose this, Outright Giving them information on jovian defences,

Also we aren't allied with fairchild? it has been stated several times that WHEN the concert turns out to be a trap, we are going to snap her neck right there, Honestly i think we should handcuff her to roarke the second she arrives on the station.

No i am not against ransoming Prisoners back to Avalon in exchange for things like, Large quantities of gold, Steel, silver and Jewels, Or even trading for regular steel and other materials, But anything organic is off the table for natural reasons, and we will have to scour any materials from there with UV radiation to ensure there is no fungal fuckery going on.
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>>1084308
>And about the belt, how can we be "neutral" when we have jovians and martians going in and out of our turf EVERYDAY but the avalonians are banned?
Well we don't have the clout for proper neutrality yet, of course.
But we're already inviting them in for the talks on equal grounds.

Plus, we are having Jovian and Martian /civilians/ shipping goods and shit. Not combat ships.
Avalonians are an armed strikeforce.
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>>1084308
Soon the Martians and Jovians will be kicked out and banned too, As has always been the plan
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“Out! Backseat! Damn it, shoo! I'll drive!” Pierre is gruff as a wounded sandworm, but you're grateful to him. Somehow you and Shukriya end up in the backseat.

You're not sure what flower or berries or whatever her perfume is supposed to smell like, but it takes your breath away.

“If we were in a proper military unit you would be on Shetland Bay Duty for an entire DECADE for this kind of fraternization!” Yells the man whose sister went on a date with a space pirate while she was still enlisted. You'll believe that fraternization is penalized in the UJCIDF when the Admiral acquires a taste for hip-hop.

You don't actually think that thought just then, though, Shukriya's lips are a soporific sweeter and more mind-numbing than any alcohol, and Pierre's anger is a sort of bee-like buzzing in the far distance beyond the sound of kissing.

“I'm going to find someone to report this to. I swear it. If I have to go dig up the Admiral's bloody fossil of a teacher off his bloody mountain and carry him to Qu'lir ON MY BACK TIGER AND ALL TO GIVE YOU WHAT FOR...” Pierre bellows. You'd be convinced he enjoys being angry if you were thinking about anything but loving and being loved by Shukriya.

Her hair is so smooth and her skin is so soft, you want to just breathe her in, savor her. It's something beyond just sexual appeal and the chemical drive to reproduce. Your heart is stirred in the way a poet's is stirred when all the words fit right, or an artist's when they capture a perfect sunrise on canvas.

[Continued]
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>>1084313
We're literally the strongest pirate band the Belt has ever seen and capable of doing a ton of damage even with our relatively small fleet.

Wolverines are small compared to most other predators but they're fierce as fuck.
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>>1084295
Pike combat would probably be super shit in space because of 3d fighting. Man I can't wait till we use the fact we can 3d fight with out ships in a battle
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>>1084327
We are still shit as a whole compared to the actual military powers. A dedicated attack from any of them would wipe us off the map.
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>>1084323
Hey Wong, who has the authority to actually perform weddings on Auditorium?
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>>1084327
>>1084313
Yeah we have a pretty nice bunch of SOUL-tier mecha. And plenty of our harpies have already been upgraded too.

Real war? Yeah we lose.
Very determined and big strikeforce? We can hurt them real bad with our aces, even if they may eventually drown us.
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>>1084308
Jovians and Martians are lead by someone who killed 2/3 of all humans. And Avalon isn't anywhere near us and won't attack us directly.
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>>1084335
And we'd still bloody the enemy before we go.
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>>1084337
Kiri is doing it
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>>1084344
Only roarke and co. The rest of our guys are nothing special.
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>>1084297
>>1084327
> Whether it's the Trojan War, the Battle of Thermoplyae, or the Last Stand at the Alamo, many of the famous battles in history were sieges in which small forces took on much larger armies.
> Unfortunately, sieges don't make good stories because the smaller force won; they make this history books because the little guys fought well, before they died.

Point still stands, any major attempt, which includes kidnapping the head mech researcher of the UJCIDF and paramour of Jove's new ace will give Fairchild fuel to convince the Jove Senate to move against us.
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>>1084337
Oda
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>>1084350
1)Roarke and Co is like three whole SOUL squads at once
2)we still have not-so-shit harpies+ and ships
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Did we ever get around to forging those rings?
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>>1084358
No and we haven't even asked Athena to be the ring bearer
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>>1084350
>Stone Soldiers: Special Forces Bluegills
>Harlock's Crew: Rocs

Red Siren's Crew is kinda shit though. Hopefully, Kathrine can fix that.
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>>1084359
Well, at least the girls handled getting the cakes.

Wait, who's handling the rest of the catering?
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>>1084369
Kathrine probably, it would be a safe bet to assume everything that needs to be done for the Wedding will be done by her
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>>1084357
Ever heard of term, 'Quantity has a quality of it's own'?

Mars and Jove have us both beaten in terms of quantity and quality of mechs. No need to poke the bear in the nose before we're good and ready.
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>>1084372
Like Fa's going to let anyone else manage her wedding.
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>>1084357
Didnt we work out we have enough guys to match the numbers of mechs that 2 Wels can carry? And thats just numbers never mind quality.
So the 2 wels and Mekong with Praetorians plus an unknown but large amount of escorts would wreck our face.
>>1084363
>3 Rocs
>24 Pumpkinseed 1's
Not exactly awe inspiring.
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>>1084374
I see someone else has read classic Jovian military textbooks
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>>1084334
What is the space equivlent of pike squares, with mechs?
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>>1084372
Yes, but where are we getting the food from?

And poor Kathrine. I hope she gets a reward soon
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>>1084384
Gun sphere?
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>>1084380
>So the 2 wels and Mekong with Praetorians plus an unknown but large amount of escorts would wreck our face.
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but that would still cost them.
Cost which they need more applied against Avalon.
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>>1084384
3d Testudo
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>>1084314
>Outright Giving them information on jovian defences,
Shouldn't we drag this out as far as we can? I mean, having a real Avalonian threat in sol has brought us nothing but gold... And if the Avalonians have war victories and take jovian resources... What is prohibiting us from taking it from them? Again?

>Also we aren't allied with fairchild? it has been stated several times that WHEN the concert turns out to be a trap, we are going to snap her neck right there, Honestly i think we should handcuff her to roarke the second she arrives on the station.
Problem is: Almost every idea of robbing something, or doing any course of action that would bring any attention of the UJCIDF is met with "We can't do X because them fairchild will attack us!", and them people think that when we kill Fairchild things will magically change and everything will be well... but it will be not, Mars is PLANET, AN ENTIRE PLANET, and Jupiter has a bizzare number of colonies, there is just no way that we are going to have the upper hand on their war forces in GENERATIONS... Sooner or later we will have to make a stand, and we should take advantage of this distraction as we still have it, instead of being always afraid of a possible revenge....

I'm not saying to bomb the senate or something, but I'm begining to go Thunder with this and wanting to show who is boss on the belt intead of living in fear under Fairchild's shadow.

>>1084316
I'm not seeing they taking us serious when we just seem to roll along to their propaganda and limit ourselfs to minor raids for fear of angering them.

>>1084317
Will they? Or are they just going to press us even more when Avalon stop worring them?

Guys, destroying the Mekong and the Wells isn't going to make we win per se... they have a absurd number of vessels that would ournumber us after a wave or two... How are we going to deal with that?
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“And in front of the damned Avalonians, of all things! The ENEMY! Or as close to it as you get!” That last sentence wouldn't have existed before Dame Morgan Gray started writing him multi-page love letters on actual scented paper and you know this for a fact, as much as Pierre pretends to be tremendously humiliated by it and loudly denounces her as a filthy Green Men worshipper...which is a safe thing to do because she was still on 16-Psyche when you left for this mission, “Humiliated in front of THE ENEMY! I never expected this from you, Mohammed, I thought you had a stiff upper lip!”

Shukriya is doing her best to unstiffen your upper lip, and your lower lip, and your tongue. It's as if a dam holding back all the kisses she's ever wanted to give you has abruptly sprung a leak and now pressure is forcing them out. Tears trickle from her cheeks, and you realize that maybe she never thought you'd return her feelings. You're lucky she tried so hard, or you might never have realized that you've shared them for so long. “Moemoehammmmeeeeedddd!” She wails, clinging to you.

You barely feel the bump of the groundcar stopping along a little-used path through the woods. There were campsites out here back when tourism hadn't been stifled by imminent threat of Paladin, now you and your four teammates have occupied this zone. Five mecha, the immediately recognizable ones with replaced and restyled armor plating to prevent immediate camouflage, have been concealed here. Four regular aces and one truly dangerous one to be unleashed only in an emergency have made their barracks here among wood and leaves. Pierre throws the keys at you, “I'd give my left foot for a sprayer of water to use on you, you're worse than cats!” It wouldn't work.

Of course, you're not thinking about any of this. You're thinking about Shukriya. She catches your hands, sitting up, “My lips are numb.” She mumbles with a giddy smile, “Moe...let's...you know. Your tent. Not here.”

You nod, and help her up. She smiles shyly, “I thought of something to make this miserable rain a little better.” She opens up an umbrella, “I bought this in town, this way we can share the rain together.” She puts her dainty, warm hand in yours. You couldn't be happier.

You have no idea of the evil that you have just unleashed, either.
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>>1084392
>You have no idea of the evil that you have just unleashed, either.
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>>1084392
Wong was Brannigan Jovian or Lunarian?
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>>1084351

She's nowhere close to being the head mech researcher of the UJCIDF, although her star is certainly on the rise.

I can tell you straight-up that it is nowhere near as cut-and-dried certain that the Jovian senate would authorize pulling in extrasolar resources in the middle of a war over this.

In part because there is the very real fear that Roarke Starwind will straight-up punch a battleship to death.
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>>1084391
Why not use the auction to set up a sort of neutral embassy? We have a high class martian figure, a Paladi, and plenty of noble Jovians. If used in such a way that keeps Lori out of the war at large and opens up trade with Mars, we would be forcing Jupiter to avoid outright attacking the embassy. Could use it as a means to posibly get Caesar's girlfriend back as sort of a true neutral, with her ties to Jove, Mars, Avalon, and the Belt.
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>>1084386
I'm thinking 3d testudo is a pretty rad ideabut then i remembered why the pike square stopped being effective. guns.
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>>1084399
They aren't ever gonna give Naomi back

>>1084401
I mean put guns in the gaps instead of spears, but then you have floating boxes that ships can just shoot no problem
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>>1084401
Just got to use fancier shields.
Which reminds me, someone was asking how we do a mech fight in a stadium without missed shots murdering the crowd and I thought what if they set up a ship shield in a dome around the inside of the arena?
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>>1084396
what?
we have punched a battleship to death, with the weebs help of course
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>>1084396
>In part because there is the very real fear that Roarke Starwind will straight-up punch a battleship to death.
With how much PUNCHSPAM we have, if we get past the shield, a ship is definitely getting punched to death in a very short timeframe.
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>>1084396
It would probably get even lesser if we left a note or message that this was only for the duration of the wedding and we would arrange transport back for her immediately when it was done.

And we have the contacts with which to send this message backed up by the fact that we generally keep our word.
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Game resumes Wednesday.

>>1084407

Exactly
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>>1084399
I'm going to side with Thunder on this, the Duke won't give up on her, the best we could hope for is he accepting a duel for her to spare his crew from a army battle to the death...

An embassy could work, but first we should stop being afraid and show them that we rule the belt and will negotiate with the avalonians if we prefer to... Or they will always assume that they can bully us with their military might and we will be forever in a siege state.

You know... Sorry for getting angry over this... I'm just tired of this profound fear of the UJCIDF when we can punch battleships to death.
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Another problem with authorizing a military strike that hasn't been mentioned is that it would be extremely bad PR for the UJCIDF to attack a colony with a lot of civilians with no criminal record even if they are Red Siren fans, plus whatever hostages she has, that's as much a worry as the damage the pirates could cause or the risk of the Iron Kestrels siding with Avalon.
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Wong, this was a great thread. I loved every minute of reading this, thanks for writing it!

As a question, how good is microwave power transmission technology in your universe? Just wondering.
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>>1084413
And this ladies and gentlemen why people have not gone after Roarke, he 'generally keeps his word' which is surprising for a pirate. Better to have a lovable manwhore punch maniac pirate who moistens all female loins in charge of the belt than some other lunatic with less savory tendencies like galballdie or something.

I mean at the rate the Kestrels are going they're kinda like a budding faction already. The Iron Belt Kingdom/Republic/Federation/Aviary?
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>>1084445
I loved that shit when the Gundam X got shot up and got some kind of booster rocket laser shield, that was crash
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>>1084391
See that is Just it.
>robbing something It is assumed that if it is in the belt, and not ours then it is fair game.

>there is just no way that we are going to have the upper hand on their war forces in GENERATIONS
The belt has far more resources than any of the planets, all we need is time and honestly a Foundry/Factory colony would be ideal

>we kill Fairchild things will magically change and everything will be well
Everything won't be well but we will have gotten rid of a major thorn in our sides regardless

>destroying the Mekong and the Wells isn't going to make we win
It will give them pause, and make our claims of being a sovereign nation that much more Valid. Which honestly Mars luna and even Avalon would probably back our claim, since it would be to their political advantage to do so

>instead of being always afraid of a possible
revenge
We JUST robbed a museum ship and Kidnapped her niece dude. what the hell are you worried about?
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>>1084447
That's been the plan all along.

Also Falconia
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Hey Wong how old are the Puru's right now?
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>>1084451
The shield is a nice to have All attack in SRW as well, although it competes for having a functional satellite laser cannon so I only ever use it in the early game xD

I like a lot of the designs from Gundam X.
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so today I tried statting a mech that was only a torso and arm just to see what I could do with it.
the fact the sensors are on the torso means a -3 awareness but...
Anyway I made it all mega heavy including the armor which is gamma armor
frame total of 78 CP and 28 tons, after all its only 2 armored servos.

Gave it a big throw-able returning AP buzz saw chakram for the arm, a wide angle variable anti-missle beam gun and a decent shield.
comes out to about 227 CP with a MA of 10...

Maybe I should just remove the arm and use lots of 2 CP weapon Mounts...
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>>1084391
I forgot but >Will they? Or are they just going to press us even more when Avalon stop warring them?
Once the belt is either handed to us or taken by force, anything without our flag on it is either gonna be captured so it can be retrofitted/scrapped or destroyed outright.
Even Civilian ships, Especially Civilian ships since their crews can be handsomely ransomed.
Will they press us while they are in a war that won't end any time soon? They would be retarded to do so, after all an attack on auditorium would scatter our band across the belt, since they don't actually have enough forces in system to destroy us outright, and would take heavy losses doing so. leaving much of the system rather undefended from, say Pissed off recently homeless pirates.
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>>1084419
goddamnit, of course you don't run on my day off.
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>>1084402
Honestly, it's one of the better options considering the situation and worth a shot. If the data is something to go by, Eustace is more neutral than most options and information that there are indeed clones will help. Going for a duel when two of your enemies are waiting nearby is suicide considering his state, and it would also take away one of the pillars preventing Fairchild from ending us.
>>1084423
You are confusing caution with fear BR. Yes we can punch a ship down single handedly, but that means nothing when the other 10-15 are killing your dudes. Roarke is a singular existance covering a wide area that multiple groups want. Each side has HUNDREDS of ships while we have 10. Even then, the next gen of pilots are growing fast. Given time, Soul C could destroy Roarke on their own, and if deprived of support, even Roarke can be worn down.
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>>1084454
>>1084472
>>1084489
I know, I'm mostly just angry because I feel that Roarke and the Belt is getting much tied down by what other people think instead of flipping the bird to everyone and doing their own thing.

I don't have care much about allying with avalon or something, I just want that we could let anyone we want in or out without having to worry constantly about if we are going to be bombed by talking with X or Y.
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>>1084498
...And my english is shutdown again, it already began to do that a few hours ago, but its getting worse... Time to sleep.
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>>1084501
What is the Brazilian version of Engrish?
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>>1084498
Diplomacy in general is a game that even the greatest minds fail at. As is, we can't buddy buddy with them because two of their enemies are next to us and are looking for excuses. We can use opportunities and hearing what they say, but fighting beside them is a bad idea alongside being cozy and letting high ranking officials in freely without setting something up.

Dealing with Fairchild won't stop it, but she is the major pusher for that and has the most senate pull. It would also damage their war footing because she is a major pusher there. But most importantly, we need to damage their desire for war and make them come at us be even harder for them.

Besides, all things considered we are getting away with a lot. Psyche and the Museum raid are pretty high profile in terms of just money, fame, and information. Fairchild is likely screaming bloody murder at what we did to her home while flogging everything in a 10 mile radius, so do not assume we can't do anything.
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Fun fact, after playing around with the ATM, I found that the costs for beam and projectile guns are more or less balanced.if you're making a simple weapon. A beam and projectile gun with the same stats (5k, +1 WA, BV3) both cost 15 CP. However, because of ammo, the projectile gun is slightly more expensive, at 16.5 for a ten shot clip.

So if you want a functional gun with no bells and whistles, the two are more or less balanced in regards to cost. It's when you start adding special properties is when shit starts going off rails, because the projectile ones are cheap compared to Beams.
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>>1084517
Yeah, I added some stuff to a 6K beam gun and wound up with a base cost of 48.6...
mind I made it able to shoot mechs and missiles and gave it a 7 Hex AOE so it can fry swarms of missiles. 72.6 CP if you add in space efficiency.
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>>1084523
an example I tried out when doing this was the Disruptor property. Adding Disruptor to a beam gun doubles the cost outright, where as for projectiles just the ammo costs four times more. So for the example weapon I made, the beam gun would now be 30 CP, and the projectile would be 21.

And lets face it, if the battles in the quest are any indication, it's highly unlikely anything will need all ten of those shots.
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>>1084504
Ingrês.
Mostly commonly used by cariocas who believe that they are much more smart than they really are, and random people that have no Idea of what they are doing but trying to communicate anyway.

Its like engrish, but with a HUE feeling to it.

>>1084515
Its okay,I understand... But maybe what Wong suggested could work.. they may be more cautious when pressing us if he keep a possibility of helping avalon in the air.

Bu thats just a theory
A Theory implyied by the QM himself
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>>1084517
What if you made a 11K beam weapon that came with an ammo system, because shit's expensive yo.
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>>1084559
Beams don't get special ammo, and their clips cost 1CP regardless of the gun's cost if you go that way.
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>>1084540
I say we stay as neutral as we can. We can make a lot of money and influence by providing small services to each side.
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About this, I've been thinking...
Aside from using them as turrets(which could work depending on the number of pilots we have and maybe work even better if we have at least a few iskander rifles), they could use their ground movement systems to do hit and run just after the flood, blitzing anyone who tries to get up after the first wave of water....
Or we could give them a handheld heavy missile to each hand and fire at Ford's troops... In theory any weapon that could be used by jovian mecha can be used for the Knights too.
We could also use them close down any narrow passage that needs to be block to not get Ford's troops into the dam or something, depending on the situation...

Also... About our Pumpkinseeds I and II and the Bluegills... should we oufit them with their normal longa distance weapons or just give them a handheld heavy missile each?

>Flood leave Ford's infantry and most of ground mecha out of combat.
>When the first mecha start to get on their feet again and the Chevaliers and the Paladin take the sky...
>... An army of Bluegills and Pumpkinseeds get out of the dam...
>...BLACKING OUT THE SKY WITH A RAIN OF HEAVY MISSILES.

Oda would be proud.

Can Knights and stolen Bluegills even survive this? I don't think so.
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>>1084661
Regular weapons would probably be better so we still have something to do after we blow our missile load.
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>>1084457
No.
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>>1084392
>Four regular aces and one truly dangerous one to be unleashed only in an emergency have made their barracks here among wood and leaves
Wait, who are the aces? Pierre, Moe, Shukriya, Caesar, ??
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>>1084723
>Wait, who are the aces? Pierre, Moe, Shukriya, Caesar, ??

Well, none of these 4 fit that last description, so that is most likely the final member of this away team.

>truly dangerous
>only to be unleashed in an emergency
My first instinct is Clemmy, but she is not that viscious honestly, and if she were here she would probably more useful in infilltrating the Cicero. Besides, she would never stray that far away from Roarke, especially not now.

Fatima is another contender, and the Tarrasque fits that description really, really well. On the other hand, that thing is far to big and bulky to move around stealthily, 80 ton warmachines do not sneak. And she also has planning to do.

So who is left? it is most likely a long-range mecha, to support the three melee specialists. So, who do we know whose mere presence would disturb any infiltration or recon mission, whose personality would mess up any attempt to make contact, but who would be very useful in a fight at long range?
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>>1084855
Miles? She's not that good though. Also had a criminal record
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>>1084862
No.
She does not have criminal record.
Crimnal Record have HER
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So... How hard would this be to kill, I gave it the heaviest gamma armor, a heavy gamma shield and made it techno organic for regen:

Polyphemus (“humanoid” mech)
Mega heavy Torso: C/S/K: 22, 11 tons
Armor:
Mega Heavy Gamma Armor (1): (22 CP, 11 SP, DC 8, 5.5 tons)
Main Sensors (Torso, -3 Awareness): 4 CP, 1 Space, 2 Kills, 1 ton
Frame Total: 48 CP, 17.5 tons
Options: Torso Cockpit with Environment Pod (2 CP, 2 Spaces), Anti-Theft code lock+ (.4 cp), Liftwire (0.3 CP), Spotlights (0.2 CP), Stereo (.1 cp), Torso Weapon Mount (2 CP, 2 spaces ), Torso Shield Mount (2 CP, 2 spaces), Micro-manipulators (1 CP, 1 space)
Armament:
Torso Mounted Warpick: 8k, WA+2, AP, 16 Spaces, 16 CP, 8 tons
Torso Beam Wave: 6k, Range 1000m, WA+1, Variable (Anti-missile), 1 space, 35.8 CP (11.5 CP of space efficiency, 1 ton (fragile)
Large Standard Gamma Torso shield: DA 0, DC 8, 10 SP, 30 CP, 5 tons
Thrusters & Speed: 500m per turn in flight, 12 thrusters all in torso, 12 CP
149.8 CP, 31.5 tons
Cost Multipliers:
Techno Organic: (1K regen at start of new round, +1MV, -1 penalty to all rolls for each system/servo destroyed, x0.5)
Beam Refract Cloaking: (-1 from incoming beam damage, 0.1x)
239.68 CP
24 CP of weight efficiency
263.68, 19.5 tons, -1 MV(+1 from techno organic) = 0 MV
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>>1085220
>+1MV, -1 penalty to all rolls for each system/servo destroyed
I cant tell if thats good or bad. I guess its pretty sweet as long as you dont get into a protracted fight.
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>>1085257
thing is this mech only has 1 servo; the torso
if that gets destroyed you're dead anyway, I think destroying its externally mounted gear (warpick and shield) counts for the penalty too but that's still only -2, I need to read up on targeting rules to be sure though.
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>>1085127

Printed out in size 6 font her rap sheet would be many times her height.
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>>1085706
That's only like 2 or 3 pages Wong
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>>1084661
Would likely be better to use standard weapons and simply fortify their spots. Remember, the idea is to lure them into the trap and use the water to wipe them out or soften them up. Running out of ammo would be bad.
Really, using the Knights for carrying and construction might be a better option. They can carry more than pumpkinseeds and bluegills and it means we don't need construction crews for fortification or setting things up. Can cannibalize some as traps, others as emplacements. Could load those gunlances with explosive rounds and use them like mortars.
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>>1085706
As a side note, why does Avalon not make anything smaller than a knight? Like, I get that they prefer a quality over quantity approach, but from what I understand some of their local allies can't produce the Mecha like on Qu'lir seem to have trouble making more locally, and certainly can't make the superheavy beam batteries that proper Avalonian warships require. Is there some reason they don't have some crappy mecha for the local peasant levees?
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>>1085985
Do they need to though? Ford's strategy makes sense in a way. Rather than set up factories, just bring unmanned machines to them and load them out. Besides that, Qu'Lir does not seem as production/tech heavy as the home worlds. More a bread basket than a workshop.
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>>1086134
>Rather than set up factories, just bring unmanned machines to them and load them out.
Well, it works until the enemy cuts off your supply lines, which is incredibly easy to do in this setting due to how gates work. Then you run out of widgets and your entire force breaks down. Or at the very least you can't ship back whatever resources you are trying to send home.
>Besides that, Qu'Lir does not seem as production/tech heavy as the home worlds.
That would be why you come up with a design the local peasants can make and go out an die in.
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>>1086184
Now therein lies the crux of the issue. Gates. Sure, they could destroy them, but Gates work both ways and destroying themhurts the navy as well. Not only that, but with what Duke said, he used a gate as a one way means to get here. Even if they take out the one on cat land, that just means they can't retreat. They can still send supplies and reinforcements.
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>>1086205
Can't ship any war material back home though, so any industrial capacity is best used on the front, rather than as a resource extraction operation.
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>>1086213
But thats the thing; Qu'Lir HAS no materials or war capacities. It's a bread basket. A good means to push the front in terms of location, but thats it. Hell, the original idea was just to teach the cats to fight for themselves. The moment the front lines are moved forward, there is really no need for it aside from food in the long term, which can easily be done through slower methods than the Gates.
Also, sending ships back with materials in a contested area is a bad idea especially with how the space battle was going. You never want your production lines on the front either because that is what most armies will target. Besides, Jupiter made the Gate here for them. Why the hell would they destroy their own gate?
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>>1086205
We should look into making certain hates only work with certain ships. Maybe have it rely on having a certain piece of tech on our ship
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>>1086248
>Besides, Jupiter made the Gate here for them.
This is incorrect. It was an old CUSS gate.
>You never want your production lines on the front either because that is what most armies will target.
There's a sweet spot between "far enough so the enemy can't easily target it" and
"so far away that its logistical hell." If you can't find that sweetspot anywhere in a solar system you probably have a problem.
>But thats the thing; Qu'Lir HAS no materials or war capacities
I wasn't referring to just Qu'lir right now though. MARS doesn't appear to have any ships as large as the Avalonian's smallest warship class. I'm not sure that ANY of their allies can make warships and Knights in practical numbers.
>>1086259
Password protect it? Sure, why not. Assuming we can make some sort of Micro Macro gate or something.
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>>1086259
There is pro and cons on this, because we wouldn't be able to sell the use of the Gate or even let allies through without risks.

But isn't a bad idea overall.
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>>1086259
Too much trouble for something that can bite your own hand. First off, you would need to shut down the gates to do the modifications, cutting off a means to transport from there in terms of withdrawal. Second, you would then have to install the device into everything that goes through the gate. Third, you have to hope real hard that the people making the tech don't give it to the enemy like they did with the reentry pod, or sabotage it so it rejects said devices. Not to mention just capturing ships or reverse engineering them.
Not worth it on multiple fronts, especially in the middle of a war.
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>>1085706
We're talking a list of individual crimes, right?

Actually, that brings up the question of how crime has changed in the 2Xth Century. Is prostitution a crime on Jupiter? How big a crime is Grand Theft Mecha? Does leaving the shattered remnants of the Mechs you've annihilated in Jovian territory count as littering? What's it called when you illegally pass through a gate?
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>>1085985
Honestly, I think the issue is a lack of technical prowess. The Knight is a HILARIOUSLY inefficient Mecha because it's based off of older mech designs from the War and Avalon hasn't really done much innovation on that front. Paladins are exceptions and what makes them so terrifying is the biological nature of their machines.

In order to make smaller Mechs, they'd have to figure out how to make their systems more efficient first.
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>>1086362
I thought the Knight is terrible because Wong didn't realize how bad treads & wheel combos are until he actually tried to stat them.
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>>1086316
It wouldn't work well for the SSL or even to Avalon.
But could be used by the Kestrel, if we limit or keys to warships and adquire terns on the other side to do the small jobs.
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>>1086248
If there's one thing I learned from reading the Halo books, Bread Basket planets are worth FAR more than a planet with material resources. You can mine asteroids and barren rocks and even gas giants. You can't grow food on any of those without a some serious agriculrural infrastructure. Even with terraforming, the number of planets that can support human life is incredibly tiny, so Qu'lir being able to produce food is incredibly valuable. Qu'lir is a backwater because of its positioning, not because of its lack of resources.
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>>1086372
That's the out-of-Universe explanation. I was providing an in-universe one because you were asking in that context.
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>>1086414
>That's the out-of-Universe explanation. I was providing an in-universe one because you were asking in that context.
I assume that the in universe reason is that mass production variables don't scale directly to CP cost, so a Knight is still as easy to produce as a Pumpkinseed II.
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Actually, I have a question: Has the Technology to create new Gates been lost or is the process very expensive or something?

And do Earth and Venus have Gates or are the Martian and Jovian ones the only ones in the Sol System?
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>>1086400
Except breadbaskets lose their use when your homeworld is home to someone who can make forests grow instantly. While tech poor, resources and food is likely in abundance on the home front and it has a gate so distance is not much of an issue for them to deliver it. The fact they pick only elites also means that their food consumption is low compared to the Jovians. They can likely make due with less in general due to their policies so a bread basket is not as useful as it seems.
>>1086376
That would require us making a gate. A gate that the Jovians can see and costs a lot of money.
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>>1086372
Knights are basically Morgan Is with a futuristic roller skate... But without the heavy weaponry and equiped with the mated lance/shield combo.

On the other side... They move 300m per action, and can have a free 150m move per turn, outspeeding any jovian mecha including SOUL machines... What they really need then is little of space efficiency and a better weapon, as it is clear on the TEMPLAR design.

If they try their hand at creating a new mech in the same manner they did before it would probably be a 140CP Not!Pumpkinseed with treads/wheels... What would end the wieght problem but would depend on how its weapons turn out.
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>>1086434
There is an earth gate. I think its the only one. parts of a gate can also be fired through other gates and assembled on site.
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>>1086432
CP is an abstraction of materials and labor, so yes. It just seems to me that the Average Avalonian Mecha isn't very advanced.

Their ships are pretty fucking good though, if ostentatious.
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>>1086400
Actually, there being a very tiny amount of habitable planets isn't true. At least in real life. NASA went over the data collected by Kepler and estimated there could be up to 40 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way. I think the current estimate is that there's about 100 billion planets in the Milky Way, so 40% not too bad.

>>1086451
>Except breadbaskets lose their use when your homeworld is home to someone who can make forests grow instantly

Not really. She still has to get the resources to make those plants. All the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and such. They don't just pop out of thin air.
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>>1086455
>weight efficiency*
Oops.
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>>1086465
Their ships are big, not good. There aren't enough options to really allow a ship to punch above its weight class in this system unless you want to give it extremely heavy armor. Unless you just break out the scaling rules from MTS, but those are silly and poorly thought through.
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>>1086451
Bread Baskets aren't particularly useful to Avalon because they already have at least 1 Garden World, yes. Not sure how many other systems have sided with them actually.

But for the Jovians, I can see it being pretty valuable. A good portion of the Jovian population lives in space stations and hydroponics can only do so much to produce food. A bread basket planet would be pretty damn useful for them.
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>>1086496
Yes, but thats more to the Jovian side of things, not the Avalonian. For Jupiter, them having a gate there would be good for expansion and keeping their fronts active which makes them putting up the gate understandable. Not on the Avalon front.
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>>1086474
>40 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way

I'm pretty sure it's 40 Billion planets in the Goldilocks zone. I've been following exoplanet news for a while and every time we find planets that are a possibility for habitation, there's always something off about them. I distinctly recall one that supposedly had an atmosphere incredibly close to Earth's but it was far more massive and thus, had a much stronger gravitational pull.

Mars is technically in the Goldilocks zone and is theoretically possible to terraform.

>>1086489
Point, but it's enough for them to hold their own against the SSL.
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>>1086434

Earth and Luna share one, Jupiter and Mars each have one of their own. Having three gates is a big deal, normally a system has one, at max. They're incredibly expensive to make and most are very old but well-maintained. As for the technology being lost? No, it isn't. It's just that building a new gate has serious political ramifications.
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>>1086533
Oh yeah, that's what I meant. I should have said potentially I guess. I figure it would be much easier to make a planet in the zone support life than a random asteroid.
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>>1086539
How do systems that don't have a gate do interstellar commerce? I think that you've mentioned that a lot of systems lost their gates, but I recall that some of them are apparently part of the war. How can that be if anyone who goes into them is trapped.
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>>1086531
If you recall, Avalon only had a token presence on Qu'lir before the Berenger arrived to kidnap Garrett. After the Paladin was shot down the situation kinda snowballed and Qu'lir became symbolically important.

Of course, that's just assuming the Lady didn't send her forces there to recover a Green Man warbeast.
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>>1086539
Interesting. Outside of the standard requirements to build a Gate, are there any special materials required to make them?

And I remember you said that FTL communications were handled by Ansibles but why doesn't Qu'lir have one again?
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>>1086297

A fun time for a note on the Martian and Jovian navies.

As dangerous as the mighty Wels, even mightier Mekong, and the huge Avalonian battleships are, you might have noticed by now that the backbone of the SSL navy lies in the Heavy Striker and Medium Weight cruisers. At least, that's how it is now. During the Great Sidereal War, mecha were a relatively untested technology and starships were considered the main fighting force of the day. They came in a profusion of shapes and sizes, some being dedicated gunships, others pure missile boats, others focusing almost entirely on serving as mecha or troop transports. After the War, a lot of these designs simply weren't very useful. The new requirement was to have a ship that could adequately patrol planets and colonies, fight back if threatened, and carry enough Bluegills or Scimitars to drive off a pirate band. Hence, the rise of standardized cruisers that were large enough to be a threat but not so large that they were a money sink.

Mars back then didn't have much of a navy at all, so it didn't have that reserve of big ships to use until it could phase them out. They have a lot of cruisers roughly equal to their Jovian counterparts, and a smaller number of big battleships like Rashad's flagship. I could absolutely change my mind about this later, but generally speaking those Martian battleships aren't quite as shield-heavy as the Rhinehawk and certainly not as fast, the Rhinehawk uses technology from Project Skywalker and engine designs cooked up by Doctor Clancy and Cornelius Cohen that maximize output. Instead, Martian battleships tend to have missiles and often an extra mechbay for their patented "black out the sky with jets" fighting style.
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>>1086590
How does the Rhinehawk compare to the Wels-class again? I remember the Wels is famous for the super heavy batteries, but what else was there?

And how far does the ban on depicting humanoid forms go in Hakimite Islam? Is it only Mecha or are artists banned from painting portraits too?
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>>1086590
How mature is this settings FTL technology? Is it pretty much stuck the way it is, or is there room for the Rinehawk to acquire a technobabble experimental interstellar engine?
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>>1086614
Not sure, but if IIRC, ships have a built-in FTL drive that takes 24 hours to spool up and are in-system only. To travel in between solar systems require a giant ass Gate that works like a slingshot to boost starships to their intended destination.
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>>1086552

There are a lot of so-called "lost systems" that no longer have gates, and if it weren't for the war the SSL's main focus would be on finding them and repairing/replacing their gates so they can rejoin the galaxy. Remember that a gate is basically a one-way hole through space, you don't need a gate where you're GOING to send a ship there, just to get back. So in theory you could send an Arapaima colonization and gate construction ship with its attached ansible, have it send coordinates for any supplies it needs, and its technicians can build the gate with the proper support.

>>1086575

It's extremely expensive, but the real kicker is the sheer power requirements and the strength of the supercomputer that performs the calculations for warp more than needing an Unobtanium Matrix or Dilithium Crystals...although it does take some esoteric materials.

As for the ansibles, consider what Qu'lir was like under the CUSS. Do you really want your genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership to have access to the information available in the wider galaxy and maybe realize that their situation is awful? That's how you get kitties like Palmyra the four-ears. Worse, do you want them to let the galaxy at large know what's going on? Remember, they hadn't seen PCs until the SSL showed up and started selling them to the natives. The wealthy had their own means to communicate with clients.

The Solar System has a much, much better communications network than most because they seeded the system with ansible satellites. The SSL could easily build an ansible satellite for Qu'lir and that would be 100% a priority if they take this world, but right now it would help the Avalonians more than them because the SSL has portable ansible ships and Avalon doesn't even if Arapaimas are costly and large.
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>>1086662
I know. I want to avoid creating a gigantically expensive gate with large political ramifications that we don't need in the scale that a Macro gate supplies.
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>>1086672

Obviously we should design a gate ship.
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>>1086590
>for their patented "black out the sky with jets" fighting style.
"The Kujan fighting style never holds back its full force against an enemy!"


I just can't wait to see that in action.
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>>1086672
>>1086685
>>1086690
A "Gate ship" would be perfect, something that could do jumps on its own...

But there is the problem of what we would do with the rest of our forces, and that even if we could go "there and back again" it would be impossible to bring reinforcements.

But...

>Raiding Avalon from out of nothing when they are leastly expecting it.
>Or Qul'r
>...Or a Lots system main planet.
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
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>>1086489

Part of it is that Avalonian ships are based off planetary assault designs where all of the guns are on the front. In the right formation, where they can cover each other or where the target is within their front firing arc, this gives them a lot of punch...but ironically the best ship to fight them with is something like the Rhinehawk that can get behind them. It also has to do with the whole Avalonian "not turning your back on the enemy" thing.
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>>1086706

Obviously we bridge them to the coordinates first before the logistics ship follows them.
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>>1086609

A Wels has more firepower, a lot more, even face-to-face against the Rhinehawk where it can't do a full broadside and bring its smaller beam battery to bear a Wels will still have more range and more damage. The Rhinehawk, though, is faster and tankier with its dual-matrixed shield. That speed also makes it more maneuverable.
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>>1086672
>>1086719

Thanks for putting up with my questions Wong. How long are you sticking around for? Cause I've got a bunch more.
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>>1086739
Wed session should be starting soonish actually.
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>>1086747
Oh right. In that case...

>>1086739
Did you ever say if you were canonizing that transforming mech I pitched as the original jet mecha?

Are Mechs as prevalent in other systems as they are in Sol and Avalon?

What's the name of the current Eyrie Industries/Lunar main combat mech?
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>>1086719
>>1086771
>Are Mechs as prevalent in other systems as they are in Sol and Avalon?
I'm curious about that too
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BEAMMMMM HAAAAAAAAAARMONICAAAA
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>>1086672
>>1086706
Well.. it does give me an idea for something. A sort of 'temporary' gate. If energy and a strong computer are the main ingredients, having a sort of projector or ring shooter may be plausible. Could have it fire from the front of the rhinehawk and then use that to move a small fleet. If the energy is kept separate, it also means we can do a normal jump as well.
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>>1087032
Sounds like the Corsair from Infinite Space.
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>>1087035
Infinite Space 2 when
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>>1087032
I'm betting that the energy requirements are big enough that you'd need a massive ship made explicitly for the purpose of making warp gates.
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>>1086707
If they cover each other would it be possible to pull a Gato on them?
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>>1087035
>>1087088
My brethren of good taste.
>>1087098
Not necessarily. Such huge power requirements would be needed to likely keep it stable indefinitely and the portal big. But if you were to devote power from the shields, guns, and some thrusters to create a smaller, limited time one, it could possibly be done. It's all conjecture and in the end would require us to steal something HUGE.. or snatching it from some secret logs.
>>1087126
AVALON, I HAVE RETURNED!
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>>1087088
Never, Sega undersold it everywhere but Europe (where it sold poorly) so they missed a bunch of sales after it sold out. It failed by being successful.

I really wish they would though, I loved playing that game.

Though I did find this one game called Infinite Space III: Sea of Stars. Which is weird because it was made by an indie dev, not Platinum Games, and is completely different from Infinite Space. I don't know how it's flow below Sega's radar, they're fanatic about shutting down people that violate their copyrights.

I'm still salty they killed Nia though. She was by far the best character.
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>>1087032
>>1086672
It actually gave me a hilarious idea for a budget gate. It should work, its completely Iron Kestrals, and it will absolutely enrage the purists in the gate construction community.
First, we need a supercomputer. Not much I can see around that, though we can totally cheat on the power requirements. What you need to do is rely on capacitors instead of current generating power. This obviously reduces the frequency with which you can use the gate, but we don't expect the sheer amount of traffic that the other three gates use so a longer recharge time is acceptable. Now, you could rely on some sort of proprietary ultra efficient next gen capacitor like some sort of filthy TERRAN, or we can do things the tried and true belt way. Mechanical brute force on a massive scale, represented by a ton of mechanical flywheels.
Screw propriety technology. Screw complicated next gen systems. We're going to put a bunch of hamster wheels in space to power an intersteller wormhole and by god its going to WORK.
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>>1087143
Truth.

And the feeling you get when you obtain your first battleship is fucking orgasmic.
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>>1087154
Can anyone else review this crazy idea? Can this really work?

So it would end up working like a normal jump, right? we don't even need to bring an entire fleet with us, one Rhinehawk level ship would be more than enough to go around mass pillaging people through the galaxy.
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>>1087178
Flywheels absolutely work to store energy. Hell, NASA uses them right now. They will work even better farther away from a planet like around Psyche. I don't think it would be a particularly mobile system, but for other uses it should absolutely work.
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>>1087154
It's probably be easier to just steal a bunch of mech cores and hook them up.

Technically, we should be able to make a fusion reactor from scratch considering the sheer amount of material we have to work with in the belt.
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>>1087135
I still don't understand how the nuke was big enough to destroy all those ships
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>>1087208
Because Japan seems to think nukes are the end all be all weapon for some reason.
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>>1087204
>It's probably be easier to just steal a bunch of mech cores and hook them up.
Why? They're basically hunks of spinning metal. Metal's one thing we will have in abundance once Psyche is online.
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>>1087208
i shouldnt have worked.

Nukes have a huge AOE on earth partially due to the atmosphere. In a vacuum, their area of effect would be much more reduced.
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>>1087217
I mean, it makes sense that they would since they're the only people to experience one first hand.
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>>1086690
>>1086706
>>1086715


You aren't serious about this, right?
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>>1087221
It they hit something directly all that heat is only going one way.
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>>1087225
Me? Not really. Just throwing ideas into the void.
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>>1087225
I'll only support it if it would actually work. I'd like to be Valantin.
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>>1087225
Not [i]yet[/i].
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>>1087225
Why not? Well... Maybe not for now, but for generation 2? Sure.

In fact, it depends more on if our engineers and mechanics can do it, and how much time it will take to have SSL out of ours asses for now... When fairchild is out of the way and we have more independency it'll be the perfect time for opening up possibilities with this.
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>>1087225
I would like to be able to explore the wider setting with our shiny ship without shooting our way through the Jupiter Gate, or agreeing to fight Avalon since I actually like them.
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>>1087225

I have a semi-plausible design that should work that allows a ship to create the wormhole, enter and drag the hole production bits of the ship with it.
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>>1087225
would we become a #1 priority in getting killed in everyone's list?
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>>1087225
I still think we should turn out two colonies but Axis and have. A mobile capital that can raid. But that's just me
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Alright, whoa, I'm nipping this in the bud NOW.

You want a ship that creates an inherent logistical advantage over every other civilization. One that, if it was possible to build, the much more well-funded nations would 100% already have created because it would be a complete gamechanger for themselves and their military strategy. No. Absolutely not.

>and it should be able to transport a fleet too!

There are not words for how hard I am scowling at this. Even bringing it up outside of a joke borders on insulting.

The amount of power it takes for a full-sized gate to activate is immense. The gates themselves are huge satellites on the scale of COLONIES.

>>1087126

I haven't seen that one yet, I heard Nina cucks Kou.
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>>1087261
ok, hahaha.
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>>1087261
Well there goes being Valantin
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>>1087261
Not physically
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>>1087261
I had a feeling that would be the case. Sorry Wong.

>I haven't seen that one yet, I heard Nina cucks Kou.

Outside of Nina, it's a very good OVA. I love the Dendrobium.
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>>1087261
Fair enough. What if scenario crushed like an ant by a colony.
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I am posting a picture just so everyone sees this because holy shit I cannot believe anyone even took this seriously as an idea.

Fuck. No.

It also bothers me a lot that as soon as it was brought up people started talking as if it would "of course" be allowed and how they wanted it to work.

No, don't make a disappointed "gee I guess not..." post. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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>>1087261
The problem is that from the players perspective the gates are functionally equivalent to those assholes in Pokemon who stand in the middle of the road stopping you from going and doing fun stuff. Its a hard block from exploring certain areas that's functionally impossible to bypass for Roarke. It really shouldn't be a surprise at all that players are looking to bypass that limitation in any way feasible, and getting mad at them for wanting to do so is silly.
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>>1087261
Okay... Intead of this, could we make a ship that jumps more than the normal distance(1AU I believe? You said it on one of the earlier threads)? Maybe the twice or the triple? How many jumps should it take to reach the closest system? Didn't Avalon did something like this once when they didn't even have jumpsystems yet?
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>>1087274
Ahh.. yeah. My apologies there. Went a bit too far with the idea and should not have. Still, thank you for clearing that up. I did not mean any real harm, just general curiosity and trying to do something weird as per usual.
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>>1087261
Yep.

To expand on it from what I heard, halfway through Stardust Memories the director changed to someone else, who decided that Nina being Gato's ex would make the story more dramatic, and at the very end, Nina decides to stop Kou from shooting Gato. Gato then uses this opportunity to finish his dastardly plans, and fucks up the American Midwest as a result, allowing the feds the justification they need to create the Titans.
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>>1087274
I just wanted to be Valantin.
Actually I just ignore everything like this but the most general idea until you say something about it. I'm not a very good poster.
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I mean, don't you think even BEFORE the SSL, back in the CUSS days and even before that, the early gate days, they had all of these same ideas and made the gates as small and efficient as physics would let them be?

>we'll just ignore IPs clearly that's the issue

NEIN!

>just a little fleet

NEIN!

>b-but Wong-sama

NEIN NEIN NEIN!
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>>1087293
So in essence, everything past 0083 is Nina's fault.
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>>1087278
alpha centauri is 5 light years away, converted into astronomical units it would be a total of 316205AUs

Now, it would be 866.315068 years with 1 AU jumps, 1 jump a day(assuming no velocity adjustements with the main engines). How feasable do you think it is now? Even with the ships engines you would still need a generation ship for a multi century journey.

Jumping is only useful for intra-system travel.
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>>1087299
Wong, relax. We are just having a bit of fun
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>>1087275

Oh, you misunderstood. I don't have any problem with you guys somehow ACQUIRING a gate.

It's making it mobile that enrages the Wong.
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>>1087299
>>1087308

Not gonna lie, seeing you rant while posting those reaction images is far more amusing than chastising.
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>>1087278

Avalon went the "colonists on a huge starship in cryosleep" route, actually preceding the invention of gates. That's why you see the names of rich Earth families you're familiar with cropping up. As a civilization they've existed for a comparatively short time because they left before gates and arrived well after they were created.

Going one light year is something like 173 years of voyage time if you jump every day using the Rhinehawk.
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>>1087321
Were they a bunch of LARPers or something?
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>>1087314

That's why I post them. I'm actually smiling, that's why I have to take this extra effort to be firm in my absolute denial of this idea.
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>>1087308
I would assume that gates would also be somewhat fixed because putting them in an accelerating frame of reference (in general relativity terms) would be very bad for the area around them. But sine the Terra gate is a thing I wouldn't count on it.
It could also mess with the navigation software, needing to recalculate everything from scratch all over again, leaving it unusable for a few months/weeks as it reboots.

Just giving you some more ammo wong
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what happens if you somehow drop a gate on a planet?
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>>1087336
you lose a valuable gate as it burns up in atmosphere
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>>1087336
Well since they're the size of colonies, I imagine it would be like the colony drop in Gundam.
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>>1087308
See, the reason why people, including me, are unapologetically looking for alternatives is that the three gates that are potentially acquirable happen to be 3 of the 4 best defended gates in the entire setting. Which makes acquiring one a nontrivial challenge than should be avoided if feasible.
>>1087299
Considering that my proposal would make a gate much less useful for its primary intended purpose of moving large amounts of commerce? Absolutely not. Different intended uses lead to different design constraints. A rural dirt path is cheaper than an interstate highway, and always will be. Also, technology is clearly progressing in your setting, so if some new superdense reactor created for the Wels class has applications for gate construction it absolutely would not surprise me.
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>>1087321

How long ago did Avalon get established then?

>>1087325
Rich Earth families operate on a very different mindset than normals. I'm not surprised they established themselves as nobility in a monarchy.

Actually, that brings up another thought. Wong, what's the name of the Queen's house?
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>>1087336

Tremendous devastation from the kinetic impact and a broken gate. Even if it was active at the time going through atmosphere would break it badly enough and soon enough that it wouldn't just telescoop a chunk of planetary crust. You'd probably get a bit of atmosphere whiff on the other end of the gate before it failed, though, IF it was active.
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>>1087342
thing is, if we somehow manage to build our own gate, than EVERYONE is going to come knocking at our door, most likely with Wels-class cannonfire since there's no way in hell anyone if going to allow pirates to keep their own personal gate, no matter how shitty it is..
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>>1087345
But that doesn't explain why they regressed back to a peudo-medieval culture though.
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>>1087353
K, no stealing a chunk of the moon or earth that way then, not that that would have been feasible even if a chunk came though the other side, after all getting the gate to drop would be basically impossible due to the defenses around them.
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>>1087358
Someone took the 'living like kings' thing a little too seriously.
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>>1087357
Which brings us back to the "assholes from pokemon" problem. In all honesty, most of the issue comes from being in the SSL's backyard. Its definitely hardmode for an up and coming pirate warlord.
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>>1087353
Soooooo.

What we could do is basically spaceballs suck the atmosphere from a planet if we kept it in hi or low orbit.
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>>1087342

Your proposal was to make it bigger and cruder and slower at the cost of recharge speed, correct?

Don't get me wrong. It's not that I haven't thought about all of this at length, to the point where I made it a point that getting through the Jovian Gate was a pain in the ass...it's that people are demanding one and then arguing with me that they should be allowed to have it if it's orky enough that would hypothetically make me want to scrap any hypothetical plans I made to resolve this issue and make Eisentor a lot more literal.
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>>1087358
Keep the Peasants down. I'm pretty sure the Nobles still have fairly advanced technology but it's not much more advanced than the tech they took with them on the cryoship.
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Wong, are there space pirate gangs on systems without a gate? If so, can we eventually have them join up?
Is there, by any chance, a small grouping of worlds not related to SSL or Avalon that managed to keep a small inter system network up?

I like hypotheticals.
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>>1087321
Uhhhh... Okay...

Alternatively, how well does cryosleep works on this universe? Is it safe? Do you really stop aging? Or do you just age more slowy?
...Is there anyone on cryosleep right now that would be worthy to ransom?
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>>1087373
Eisentor won the name-off? How'd I miss that?
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>>1087377
If we get access to a gate we could send out ships to different systems to recruit pirates
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>>1087377
Getting people BACK from a system without a gate would be the real issue.
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>>1087357

Hypothetically they can't do that unless they know where it is. Auditorium, that's a matter of public record. The Suleimans? Civilian colonies, much harder to get the coordinates because they're needles in a haystack, but in theory they could be located from anyone with a list of Sheikh Ahmad's assets. 16-Psyche is relatively easy to find given its size, it's been well-tracked.

Then you have countless little pirate dens and abandoned mines/factories/prison camps scattered all over the belt that aren't on any charts, isolated communities run by weird religious cults, etc. Those places you haven't conquered yet (prior to the timeskip anyway), and that's a testament to how hard they are to find. Theoretically if you had whatever supplies you need delivered to one of your public colonies, you could have Jove-knows-what frittered away deep within the Belt.
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On a VERY Different note, did all the tourney contenders submit theme songs and did Thunder record them?

Actually, Thunder, did you make that new mixtape?
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>>1087391
Or what if the colony ship it was mounted on was mobile and travelled throughout the belt with a roaming fleet.

I know you didnt want a ship that could port itself but what if the structure itself moved through realspace.
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>>1087373
>Your proposal was to make it bigger and cruder and slower at the cost of recharge speed, correct?
Roughly correct. Its more that it cuts capability to cut costs. The specific ratio of power generation to capacitor capacity was left deliberately undetermined since I didn't pretend to think I knew enough to make any comments there relevant. Frankly, the specific capacitor technology used is largely irrelevant, and I mentioned flywheels mostly because I thought it sounded like the sort of solution Karen would come up with. Also, I found the image funny.
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>>1087358

Technology aside, what makes our culture more advanced? The idea that society follows an inevitable course of progress towards a specific end was coined by Karl Marx, a man who wrote about factories he never visited, and talked about workers while living off his best friend's parents' fortune. Even then, what stops language or fashion from adopting modes we see as archaic? For example, the closest thing to a medieval English accent is not the standard Oxford or "Educated Bonger" accent, but the dialect employed by rural American Southerners, according to etymologists.

>>1087375

Avalon had pretty advanced medical technology and as far as they were concerned they were extremely enlightened and had "pretty much abolished war". Of course, their medical technology was about on par with Jovian, and they lagged behind in everything else because they viewed their society as an enclosed paradise under the Second Telethirien Dynasty, prior to the Lady's arrival.
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>>1087392
we were supposed to submit theme songs? uh shit I don't have much that fits...
also, anyone got an up to date tourney listing, I still wasn't on the list last time I checked...
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>>1087379

It seemed to have more support than Falconia.


>>1087377

You don't know, it's certainly possible, but having an inter-system network without gates is kind of wonky.

>>1087397

There are no colony ships and no roving gate ever period especially in gen 1.
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>>1087416
As a side note, does Psyche's colonies have names? Because I nominate one to be Agartha, the city that supposedly exists at the center of the earth. Its amusingly appropriate for a colony on a planetary core.
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>>1087411
It's optional.

And you'll have to ask BRanon for the tourney list.
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>>1087416

Clarification. There are ships intended for the purpose of colonizing places. These are not actual flying space colonies, and you need something on that scale to construct a gate.
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>>1087411

It's the first I've heard of theme songs and honestly I had no plans to play theme music for different pilots.
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>>1087391
Thats.. a good point. Could also disguise it or make it 'detachable' to a degree(as in powering it down, dismantling it, but not really moving it). A ring of asteroids near some weird colony cult that worships the great SPACE TUBE would be avoided by just about everyone.
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>>1087378

You know as much about that as you IRL know about any ancient medieval art rendered useless by modern tools. Less, even.
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>>1087409
I didn't mean it in a more advanced sense, more like an... older version. Like rolling back software. Medieval culture had, at some point, morphed into the Renaissance and kept changing from there until it became today's society. It must have kept changing from there, until eventually the settlers got on the life ship, got to Avalon and decided to roll their culture back to a version 2000 years old. Cultural values weren't a concern, just how they somehow jumped back to knights serving kings and such. Past everything in between.

Another example would be how Chinese culture before the Warring States went through flux in that period, and had at some point came out as Imperial China. And then changed again when Mao decided he wanted to wipe his yellow ass on 4 millennia of culture.
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>>1087411
>>1087427
http://pastebin.com/pZtRmbWS
Although this appears to have not been updated in a while, since it's STILL using the old Libra pastebin.
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>>1087437
Kathrine's theme song is obviously whichever song Red Siren wants to promote right now.
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>>1087403

Regardless of all that it doesn't cut it enough to make it mobile. That was my problem with it, that and people working themselves up into a lather of enthusiasm over technology that logically would not exist because if it did Fairchild would be sitting on one with Bethany Cabot on her lap...and then making puppy eyes at me for telling them no.
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>>1087451
Tell us what she would personally choose.
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>>1087392
I never ended up making a new mixtape because nobody really seemed like they wanted it, but it people want to know sure we can make another mix tape for Roarke. Remember 80s music and 18 tracks

1.The Touch - Stan Bush
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>>1087453
I never thought it would. Personally, I thought it was reasonable to assume that new technological developments might make it feasible, that happens all the time IRL, but if it doesn't, it doesn't.
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>>1087449
>tfw I just knew that you're going to get mad over it.
...Sorry senpai, things is that I started reviewing everything again before making changes... But you have a great number of loadouts, and I got distracted by the anon with the Gyrosomething.... And forgot to add you again.

was lastly update to include the Rolling Thunder I think, does anyone else needs to change something or get in?

>>1087446
Oh, I thought that it was more like a common medical knowledge or something... Thats okay.

Wong... will the Phacyde get in the Tourney? Or should I remove it from the list? Didn't you said that you would think about it?
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>>1087448

That's the problem, this word regress. The desire for a strong leader is intrinsic to humankind and pops up again and again no matter how often we go "no let's be 100% democratic and hamper the ability of our leaders to get shit done but also potentially go tyrantmode". The terminology just happened to mirror what was romanticized at the time. That's why you have kings and queens instead of Nork-style "president for life". Avalon's original settlers remembered the Nuclear Conflict better than modern-day SSL natives, it was nearer to their minds and culturally romanticism was back in vogue because it hearkened to an era before nukes and pollution and weapons that could wipe out entire cities. As for knights, the establishment of a martial class to settle disputes was inevitable, and clearly delineating it from the peasants served to mark who was and was not a target in the pseudo-wars Avalon fought before the Lady fell from the sky.
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>>1087437
honestly I was just going to play fighting game music just to psyche myself up during the matches. Not really themesongs.
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>>1087459
Uh, I have no idea.

Beat It? I've always loved that song.
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>>1087459
Highway to Hell
If you only get a handful, switch some of the older songs out. I distinctly remember that there a few songs we wanted to remove.
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>>1087475
Sure

1.The Touch - Stan Bush
2.Beat it - Michael Jackson
3.Highway to Hell - ACDC

>>1087479
If it comes I will

And did we ever decide what our song with Lori would be?
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>>1087470
Oh, I get it now. They originally used the terminology to get people to fall in line more easily since everyone knew it and eventually they started taking it seriously.
So then I guess the same sort of thing happened to Mars too?
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>>1087462

Listen. I'm not trying to be a dick (which of course means that I'm probably about to be one), but pray that it never, ever, ever happens and becomes feasible, because if it does the planetary powers will get it long before you do. I'm saying that technological development is not going to occur ever, there is no "might", there is no "comparison to real world tech to guilt Wong", there is a flat "QM says no", and I am doing it for YOUR sake. I understand your personal viewpoint, and without going into detail about how gates work and why microgates can push the ship carrying them through but have a very low ceiling for how much more mass they can transport while macrogates can stay open for much longer and push larger chunks of matter (still smaller than themselves) through, I am saying that while before I was pretty confident it will never happen now I am ADAMANT there will never be a gate ship.
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>>1087409
>Technology aside, what makes our culture more advanced?
Even the law is a form of technology, isn't it? Like money, and the economy.
Today's societies are "generally" more technologicaly developed in dealing with some human problems and executing certain functions... And some of them are much more based on logical thinking about things than...Lets say... Certains feuds a hundred years just after the fall of rome.
In fact, one of the things that appeal to many people inside somo forms of politics(like Ancaps) is that they are much more based in logical and philosofical thinking than certains societies of that past that were based on "Might makes right" or "That guy with a silly hat told us so".

But being quite honest with you... Some forms of monarchy are much better in many senses than some of the democracies that we have today, and for me isn't a surprise that some people would like to go back to that days.

Logically justifing Brazil existence is an absurd mess, with the entire nation being based on people just stealing territories from one another repeatly and making constitutions based on "I thought that this would be cool" even when it doesn't even makes sense from basic philosofical views, it just makes me rage on this just from remembering it... And I didn't even get on the part about the actual one describing on how we should all be living in some sort of socialist paradise, while implying that everyone should be enslaved to death if necessary to make it work...
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>>1087463
>Pharcyde

Of all the damned things to bring up when people are still arguing with me about mobile gates.

Is the player still around?

I'll say it bluntly. The pilot sounds like a member of what is an actual domestic terrorist group operating in MY homeland, destroying property and attacking members of MY ethnicity with the full support of a complicit, foreign-funded media. They have ambushed and killed our law enforcement officers. They use the same logic that a man used to justify shooting MY beloved little brother. I know it sounds extreme, but they attacked members of one of my favorite boards on this website and probably would have killed them if a /k/ommando hadn't opened fire under duress. They're standing trial right now for exercising their sovereign rights to defend their lives from a mob, while the local newspaper writes articles about those poor fucking rioters and how they feared for their lives after trying to gang up on and murder a small group of white and Asian men after discovering their victims have teeth. I don't trust myself to treat the Pharcyde or its pilot fairly. If the player submits a different pilot to me, he's in. If not, he's out.
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>>1087508

"I'm a rebel fighting the man teehee" got a lot less funny when they tortured a special needs kid.
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Might not be the best time to ask this, but how do FTL coms work? The ones we've seen seem to allow people to casually play Bluegrill Joe through them, but can we cut bandwidth to allow us to just receive important news so it doesn't take up a ton of space or is it a hard cap?
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>>1087518
Yeah.. I saw that. With friends and family with phsyical and mental disabilities, it's something I would not stand for. Bloody extremists.
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>>1087487

What do you mean by that?
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>>1087463
I'm not really mad, I'm just very paranoid about Wong accidentally using an outdated model on accident. So if I sounded like I was mad, I apologize.
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>>1087508
God damn. Your brother was ok right?
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>>1087508
Sorry to hear about your brother. Some asshole will always use the legitimate grevances of others to justify their own criminal actions and they are terrible people.
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>>1087518
At least they're being tried properly. Last I heard the police considered it a hate crime because they targeted him for being white.

>>1087524
How they adopted the Islamic Empire way of spreading Islam by any means necessary, that died out when the Ottoman Empire moved away from it. At least I think it died out, I'm not up to date on Middle East politics beyond "everyone hates Israel."

Sorry, I don't really know a better way to describe it. I had assumed it was an intentional parallel between Mars and Avalon, since the Martians despise everything associated with the Greenmen so much. It would be ironic for their cultures to be born from the same circumstance.
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>>1087523

This. I know the Pharcyde's pilot is a silly parody and we have a lot of those in this quest, but it's a parody that got a lot less funny when "fuck the police they're not after me because I'm a criminal but because I'm a minority so my crimes don't matter" became an actual viewpoint people take seriously and is being viewed as worthy cause by one of two major parties in the strongest nation on the planet. I just can't associate hip-hop kid fighting the man with being a comic figure when there are packs of them assaulting supporters of the sitting president. It's like asking Thunderbird to give the Lady of the Woods a hug and have her get married to Roarke to conquer the SSL.

>>1087519

Ansibles are honestly something I ripped off as a reference to the Ender's Game series mostly as an excuse for people to communicate without having tremendous lag, I believe it has something to do with electrons that are twinned mimicking each other through quantum bullshit across any distance or something. Or maybe there were tiny Portugese pig aliens who nurse on trees, it's been a while.

...Why do you ask?
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>>1087524
>>1087545
By their cultures, I mean Mars and Avalon.
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>>1087518
This was just horrible, and its just bizzare that someone can even try to defend this type of people after what they did...
I hope that Trump can change this absurd situation while he is still in charge... But I doubt that the people that have interests in formenting these sorts of conflicts and chaos will give up easily.
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>>1087482
Do we already have "Bad" by Michael Jackson?
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>>1087555
No, but I only really do one per anon so more people can get a choice in probably won't come to that
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>>1087546
>Ansibles are honestly something I ripped off as a reference to the Ender's Game series mostly as an excuse for people to communicate without having tremendous lag, I believe it has something to do with electrons that are twinned mimicking each other through quantum bullshit across any distance or something. Or maybe there were tiny Portugese pig aliens who nurse on trees, it's been a while.

Quantum Entanglement Communicators. Actually a really cool concept if you want me to give you the quick version of it.
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>>1087560
Maniac - Michael Sembello

For Lori, because of the way the loves using her legs for dancing, swimming and so on.
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>>1087546
>Ansibles
What you're describing was the idea of quantum entanglement, which is now unfeasible because entanglement gets broken when either of the two particles get changed in any way.

How about "ansibles FTL data across space, which has nil power requirement because it's fucking tiny"?
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>>1087569
Anon, you should probably let it go.
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>>1087546
>Ansibles are honestly something I ripped off as a reference to the Ender's Game series mostly

I always liked the later books since the way they represented space aliens was extremely interesting and a breath of fresh air from the usual "human with unusual skin color" or "animal + human" we usually see. Although I don't think I ever read the last book of the Ender series.
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>>1087576
What?
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>>1087546
It's a viewpoint that is backed up by strong ancidotal and statistical evidence. African Americans are far more likely to be charged, convicted and sentenced for the same crime as a white person, and for a longer prison term. Does that mean that the police are evil? Hell no. The vast majority are good people doing the best job they can. Does that mean that a violent criminal shouldn't be thrown in jail? Hell no. Does it mean that African American claims that the US judicial system is rigged against them are true? Unfortunately, yes. This is hardly a new phenomenon, and it's certainly been worse during other portions of our history, but the problem still exists. And a reflexive "the police officer is always right" mentality is not going to help matters.
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>>1087584
That may be, but yelling about being persecuted for something, then doing the thing does not paint you in a light that can be considered good. Same with saying you are peaceful protest when you destroy a limo belonging not to a rich white man they say they hate, but by a immigrant because they simply do not care. As is, something is going to give, and the more they do this sort of shit, the less people are going to respect them. This time though, the president seems much more pro-active.
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>>1087584
Except what with all of the fake outrage the media has generated (Hand up don't shoot) it's difficult to tell what we should genuinely be outraged about. So now I can't help but be skeptical whenever I hear about yet another black getting shot by a cop.
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>>1087545

ISIS and the "moderate rebels" Obama armed in Syria do it today, actually. There are Christians in the Middle East being murdered as we speak, as much as Obama and John McCain pretended it didn't happen and actively made them one of the few Syrian groups without even a chance at refugee status because they're politically inconvenient. Spreading Islam by force if necessary enjoys shockingly high statistical support given the climate of the rest of the world.

Muslims ended up on Mars because they were widely blamed for the nuclear conflict and generally shunned, they got pushed into the wastelands and had the good fortune to be on a world the Green Men used as a flagship for their terraforming projects. They were additionally fortunate in that being less cosmopolitan and more rural meant the spores didn't reach them for a while and they had the chance to resist.

Hakim also flat-out butchered every religious leader among his own people who wasn't willing to get in line with Hakimite Islam. "One Mars, one Allah, one Islam" was his credo. He made it an absolute point of his rule that if you tried to bring back the sectarian violence of the old days or the terrorism that helped spark the human exodus from Earth after the nukes went off, he will dig you and your followers out and execute you wholesale.

This helped a lot more than it hurt when it came to the other SSL factions who hesitated at the idea of helping a Caliphate. The problem is, the old ways die hard, you saw Mohammed's reaction to seeing clan markings on the Cassim's Folly and that there is still support for spreading Islam by the sword, and Hakim cannot be everywhere at once and cannot entirely deny his people a right to share their faith even if he took steps to cut the rot out of Martian culture.
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>>1087608
>>1087611
At this point I just blame the media. All kinds, whoever's telling it. They blow things out of proportion and twist every story to fit their audience to get more clicks/views/whatever gets them money. It's all sensationalism, and it's all making everything worse because it incentivizes not making sure you're telling the truth.
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>>1087616
Oh, those were the exceptions to the rule. Sorry, I misunderstood.
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>>1087611
>>1087608
I hear you. Hell, the Furgison case that started this whole movement is a great example. The media rushed to judgement and it later turned out that the shooting was justified. It also turned out that the Furgison police department was horribly corrupt and incredibly racist, and had basically been extorting the African American residents through traffic tickets with the connivance of a local judge. Neither side likes to point out the ackward bit, but speaking personally, I don't blame the local protesters for not giving the cops the benefit of the doubt. Clearly they didn't deserve it in this instance.
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>>1087541

In through one side of the abdominal muscles and out the other. They'd pistol-whipped him and he was sort of sideways to them, holding his head I think or stumbling back, when they took the shot. Thank God it was just 9mm.

>>1087542

Don't you even try to excuse the rioters. Michael Brown's mother had Michael Brown's grandmother beaten for trying to sell Michael Brown t-shirts...not because it was disrespectful to the dead, but because she wanted the money herself. From the Soros paychecks to the people urging the rioters to "burn down the suburbs" to the politicians cynically encouraging it for social justice votes to the pathetic, pathetic cucks playing along in hopes of scoring liberal pussy there is not a legitimate bone in that movement barring perhaps the man who was killed by the NYPD dogpiling him and they would have killed him just as readily regardless of his color for selling loose cigarettes in a town that treats their cigarette tax (a pack that goes for $6 in stores in the midwest is $16 in NYC) like mafia profits. I don't respect them, not a single one.

>>1087584

There are a multitude of ways to interpret that evidence and I'd strongly advise we not discuss it before someone starts posting population comparisons with violent crime rates. Anecdotal evidence is worth jack shit and claims that the system is rigged are amplified by the media for views. The War on Drugs needs to end, and that's the only concession I'll make. Other than that, zero sympathy. If you think black cops arresting a black man in a town with a black mayor and black SAG in a country that had at the time a black president with a black nationalist AG is a result of racism we'll have to agree to disagree before I say something impolite. Grievance chasing is an industry and I hope Donald Trump puts a nail in its coffin.


As for their two flagships, Martin and Brown, I have no sympathy. Trayvon Martin having candy in his pocket doesn't mean he didn't brag about being a hardcore gangster on his social media with a history of violence even before he tried to splatter a member of the neighborhood watch's skull across the cement. Yeah, I would be nervous being followed by some guy through a residential neighborhood too, but I'd confront him, I wouldn't ambush him and try to kill him. As for Mike Brown, he choked a man half his size, a friendly little gas station clerk, so he could steal some blunt wraps, then tried to grab a cop's gun. If you go for a cop's gun, even if what you did originally merited jail rather than death, that's an automatic Darwin Award. That may sound harsh, but it's absolutely true. It's sad he decided to waste his life that way, it's disgusting that people tried to pass him off as a friendly stoner and lied to try and get revenge on the cop who shot him...led by an actual ambulance-chaser activist who coached them. It's disgusting, disgusting behavior and I will not give an inch to it.
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>>1087569

What they do is more important than how they do it, I guess.
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>>1087630
>>1087629
Fair enough I will let this lie... after pointing out that you just proved my point about both sides ignoring crucial details of the Ferguson mess.
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>>1087630
Honestly, the only death by cop I've seen recently that wasn't justified was that guy who was chock held to death. You don't accidentally strangle someone to death, you have to keep strangling them after they lose consciousness. Maybe the cops were on edge (he was a pretty big guy iirc) but there's no way you can be excused for suffocating someone. They're not dangerous after they lose consciousness.
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>>1087644
There was the guy who was shot down while running and had a taser planted on him post death. Then had multiple cops give blatantly false statements before the video showed up. That one was blatant enough that everyone basically abandoned the guy though.
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Guys, we can agree it's a fucked up situation overall, but can we get back to discussing Mechs?

Wong, when will the Mustang MP make its official debut? I want to steal some.
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>>1087518
>>1087508
I just imagined him as a younger black dynamite.
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>>1087627

You're misunderstanding now, a little bit.

It's not so much that there's a rule against it as Hakim for all of his skill and heroism cannot flat-out say "don't spread Islam in places where you uproot the Avalonian infidels" and remain Caliph. He also can't ensure that when it is spread it's spread without pressure. He's also old and notoriously without family, and there are people counting on him not being around forever. My point is, the crew of the Cassim's Folly are NOT an exception to the rule, but a natural outgrowth of the circumstances they're in. He's never even openly stated he doesn't want Islam to spread, which makes sense because as Trevor Luxol pointed out it provides a cultural unifying factor for the Caliphate.
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>>1087659
I meant originally, with how the government was set up. I though Hakim was all about spreading Islam no matter what and just wasn't doing it because he didn't know if he could beat Jupiter or not.
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>>1087629

At this point nobody takes the label "racist" seriously anymore. Liberal dogma holds that white men are born racist, sexist oppressors, and that only by agreeing and repenting through submission can they purge themselves of this sin.

>>1087643

And I will give a single shit when they start holding riots for the white kid who was shot for threatening to kill HIMSELF with a screwdriver by an out-of-town cop after two local cops had talked him into standing down. Or when they start holding protests for the little girls and elderly people killed in drive-by shootings by some punk who couldn't aim straight at another punk, or for the little boy who was executed in his own front yard because his big brother didn't want to join a gang, or for when Hollywood stops promoting members of the Crips and Bloods and a culture of violence, willful stupidity, and murder that actively ostracizes people who try to do better for themselves. I worked with kids from those inner cities for years, I've seen that jungle, I've seen what lurks in it, what fuels it, who pushes it from the safety of their coastal mansions and high-rise apartments, and I've seen what comes out of it. That's the reason why black people are incarcerated at a higher rate. There's your damned injustice. You want to do something about it? Find someone who makes those pushers squeal and give them every drop of your support, and until then don't you say that black lives matter to you and you want to stand against racism.


That's my last word on this.

>>1087657

Try the mechbay of the Iulia Maesa.
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>>1087674
>Try the mechbay of the Iulia Maesa.
inb4 someone tries to make a plan to steal them
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>>1087674
>white kid who was shot for threatening to kill HIMSELF with a screwdriver
Thats some judge dredd shit right there.
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>>1087662

Ideally he wants it to be strong, widespread, civilized, and enlightened. There's a balancing act and all of this is filtered through the lens of someone who can't read his mind, so yes I know I'm being vague. Except when you said spreading Islam by the sword ended with the Ottomans because that's flat-out wrong.
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>>1087695
Yeah, I was. I just like to avoid all that nasty news, you know? I don't like to get myself down reading about all the people that are dying and how ignorant and callous people can be in real life. I mean, I am a cancerous asshole on the internet, but that's because it's the internet. Nobody should take what I say seriously.

I just try to be thankful for what I have and that I don't have to deal with gang violence or religious zealots coming to cut my head off. My life's better than good and I don't want to make it worse.
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>>1087658

...and as he calmed down, Wong had an idea.
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>>1087712
I got to watch the boondocks again one of these days.
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>>1087712
Now see, this was a cool character. Boondocks was a pretty good show.
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So yes, Pharcyde is in.
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>>1087722
>Pharcyde
>phar cyde
>far side
Christ I almost wish I said nothing.
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>>1087727

Isn't that the name of the mech?
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>>1087712
I've never watched Boondocks. What am I missing?
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>>1087803
Yeah but its also one of those dumb hiphop names that I didnt get until I thought about it. Like how Flo Rida is just Florida with a space in it because the dude is from florida.
>>1087806
First three seasons are pretty good. Fourth season not so much. The main writer left or something.
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>>1087809
Sorry, meant more of "What am I missing about the character?"
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>>1087811
https://youtu.be/EZdWA3Z3lt4?t=6m25s
6.25 is probably one of the better examples.
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>>1087806

Possibly the best animated adaptation of a newspaper comic ever.
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Since I had the spare CP, and because why the hell not, I gave the Libra Design and Decor. Now the Libra's got the constellation on it's shield, although it's extremely unlikely anyone will recognize it.
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>lots of traffic in thread
>eyy thread's up
>relevant /pol/
>shit, thread's down
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>>1087834
This quest gets a shocking amount of traffic comparatively to the rest of the board
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>>1087837
probably because it's based on an actual system, and encouraged people to actually learn it by having the Space Jam tournament.
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>>1087837
Well, it came over from /tg/, and it's got people posting mechs, discussing gameplay and shooting the shit even when the QM ain't here.

Somehow it's managed to retain the old spirit of anons discussing things that /tg/ quests used to have.
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>>1087840
Ironically, I know pretty much all the ins and outs of making Mechs, but I still really don't know how the system works.
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>>1087846

A bit like the A-10 Warthog, a lot more functionally than you'd expect. God bless the Warthog.
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>>1087560
For a new 80's album
Yours Truly, 2095 - ELO
Or
Here is the News - ELO
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>>1087847
Much like how the Warthog was built around the GAU-8, Mekton's rules were built around its mech construction system.
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>>1087850
1.The Touch - Stan Bush
2.Beat it - Michael Jackson
3.Highway to Hell - ACDC
4.Yours Truly, 2095 - ELO
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>>1087837
Oh yeah, I took your recommendation to watch Giant Robo, watched the first 2 episodes and it is pretty damn good so far!
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>>1087855
It gets so much better. The Tragedy of Bashtarle is my favorite part by far
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>>1087299
So what you are saying is, It could be done. But the ship would be the size of a colony, and slow as hell, and could probably only carry Mecha and small craft that are docked along with it. and as such the perfect capital for space faring pirates
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>>1087882
Also, vulnerable as hell and prohibitly expensive enough that even the wealthiest factions in the galaxy would rather just build a orbital stationary gate rather than make them mobile.
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>>1087888
Honestly i am not even thinking of a ship here so much as a teleporting fortress
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>>1087882
>>1087902

Even if we built a mobile gate, which is just an engineering problem rather then a hard physics problem, It is most likely unable to transport itsef, so no interstellar shenanigans.

Also, given the fact that even smaller colonies like Auditorium lack microwarp gates, this ship probably cant use those either, so our "mobile"capital would be stuck puttering around on normal engines, making it easy to track for everyone with a big telescope.

There is just not a lot to gain for the ridiculous increase in cost that moving something like this would bring.
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>>1087854

Do we have TnT from ACDC already? otherwise we should really add it. Not just because it fits Roarke really well, but just in case we ever go to Qu'lir.

>"I hear ACDC"
>"Hey, it's that fake black ogre again. Let's kick his ass this time around."
>"HOLY SHIT IT'S THE REAL ONE! HIDE THE WOMEN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"
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>>1087392
Theme song? Crap! I never even thought about that for Victor and his Templar. Anyone have any ideas?
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>>1088050
Ain't no Rest For the Wicked?
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>>1088057
It took me a sec to get why you suggested that one. Not bad.
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What would happen if you pushed a gate through a slightly bigger gate while they were both on?
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>>1087882

Does "no" mean something I'm not aware of?
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>>1088136

Wong, please ignore him, he's just streching to get a rise out of you. We get that it is a borderline impossible and rather stupid idea, and it's not going to happen.
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>>1088061
Wait, Victor is the Libra's pilot, right?
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>>1088163
Templar's pilot
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>>1088185
What's his story again?

And what's the Libra's Pilot's name?
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>>1088276
Victor wants to be an author and uses his experiences to fuel his writing, like Ernest Hemingway. He likes interviewing people for more fodder for his stories.
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>>1087924
Nope

1.The Touch - Stan Bush
2.Beat it - Michael Jackson
3.Highway to Hell - ACDC
4.Yours Truly, 2095 - ELO
5.TNT - ACDC
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>>1088276
The Libra's pilot is Alexander Grant. And by merit of being based off an SRW character, already has his own personal theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzaLOZwnMI
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>>1088421
Maniac-Michael Sembello

Its one music per anon, no? Here is mine.
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>>1088585
We already have that
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>>1088589
In which playlist?
Could you send me the pastebin?
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>>1088597
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6iimHE85EZZZjRoaWVwQ3U2ZFk
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>>1088597

Hey BR anon, i finished the Gyrfalcon for the tournament. Thanks for your help last thread btw. Could you please add it to the pastebin when you have time?

http://pastebin.com/k7exp8MJ


>>1087392
No, i haven't. Let's correct that.

Michael Acre - Kickstart my heart (Mötley Crüe)
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>>1088421
Jukebox Hero- Foreigner

Not sure if we'll ever fight to it though.
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>>1088600
Thanks m8
What will be the name of this one?

Also: Queen - Gimme The Prize

Maybe play this when we fight Avalon? It fits with the theme.
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Okay, theme songs so far:

Alexander: Close Game Life
Victor: Ain't No Rest For the Wicked (?)
Inari: I Love Rock n'Roll
Maxwell: Can't Touch This
HUNK: Hunk's Theme

I'm suggesting "Somebody to Love" for Kathrine.

Just need suggestions for Finn, Akai, Mai, and the Pharcyde's pilot.

Wong, you don't need to play the songs, this is more for fun.
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>>1088698
Oh, and McClintock. Forgot about him.
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>>1088698
I really could use some help on choosing a song for Akai, I'm not much into music and most of my ideas are more "weeaboo" than really "Akai".

>>1088680
I'll give it a look.
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>>1088683
>>1088690

1.The Touch - Stan Bush
2.Beat it - Michael Jackson
3.Highway to Hell - ACDC
4.Yours Truly, 2095 - ELO
5.TNT - ACDC
6.Jukebox Hero - Foreigner
7.Gimme the Prize
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