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    33 KB Fleet Building Exercise Rear Admiral Higgins 05/05/10(Wed)23:16 No.9639988  
    Full Thrust
    1200 pts CPV max
    All ships must be canon ships, and must be from the same faction. All ships must be named (Not naming ships means they explode when they enter the battle)

    Fleet books:

    CPV hull cost = (TMF - non-combat Mass)^2/100
    rounded to nearest integer (minimum 1 pt)
    Non-combat Mass is Cargo holds, passenger space, troop space, fighter bays and small craft bays. Cargo holds, passenger space, troop space and small craft bays costs 0 pts (since they don't contribute to the ship's combat capability); fighter bays cost 1xMass pts (since they can re-arm and re-organize fighters).
    NOTE 1: If rules for armed Small Craft are introduced, Small Craft bays should cost 1xMass just like the fighter bays do.
    NOTE 2: Standard Fighter *groups* cost 48 pts in the CPV system instead of 18. (Basically the cost of fighter bay and the hull section it is mounted in is transferred to the fighter group itself.) The various fighter modifications (Attack, Fast etc.) have the same add-on costs as in FB2.
    NOTE 3: Treating FTL drives as non-combat Mass priced at 0 pts (ie. just like Cargo Holds) and requiring forces with sublight ships to pay for FTL tugs to bring them to the battle seems to work quite well to balance sublight forces against FTL-capable ones pointswise. This change has *not* been implemented in the following CPV tables however.
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:22 No.9640101
    Spaceship combat on /tg/?

    Prepare to be swamped by 40k.
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:34 No.9640304
    Well 40k is the better game
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:39 No.9640408
    I'm sorry, say that again?
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:40 No.9640425
    My god, don't fall for shit THAT OBVIOUS. Fucking christ man...
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:41 No.9640431

    Goddamnit, not even 3 posts in and it gets derailed...
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:41 No.9640442
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    Not even the same type of game brosephine.
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:42 No.9640449
    I'll try to get a list up after a bit... Don't have the models yet, but I did order the NSL starter fleet, so I'll base it off that.
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:43 No.9640479

    Give it a rest, this is the third one this week! Stop flooding /tg/ with this crap.
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:48 No.9640550
    Trolling, not so subtle.
    >> Anonymous 05/05/10(Wed)23:54 No.9640629
    It's clearly some 40kid who doesn't understand this thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:00 No.9640710
    Making my list up as we speak!
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:13 No.9640928
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    Rough design for a Heavy task force that often fights FSE salvo missile spam.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:18 No.9641046
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    It's scary how close yours looks to mine...

    I'm a few points shy of the max, didn't feel like putting a Corvette in there, but I might, have it be the eyes and ears of the main task force. Or set it up as a weasel boat.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:21 No.9641096
    has that mediafire link got the beta fleets in it?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:22 No.9641123
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:25 No.9641179

    That is very odd how similar they are. I'm guessing the reason your DDs are more expensive is that they have screens? Because otherwise the Lützow seems better than the Ural Fleet variant. Going to come up with a light patrol fleet in a bit.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:25 No.9641183
    precalculated CPV and the beta fleet lists can be found here:
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:26 No.9641197
    That's my bad, I'll add them to it.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:28 No.9641227
    The screens are a big part of it, but also the all round level 2 battery as well. Your DDs can't shoot behind them.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/06/10(Thu)00:30 No.9641280
    I'll read through it.

    I've had an itch for a space combat game since watching LOGH....
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:33 No.9641331
    Most people love full thrust, it's simple but not simplistic, has construction rules and pre-built ships, great miniatures, and the best part is the 'record keeping' is kept to a minimum. You could print out the two fleets posted already and play with those as is.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:35 No.9641378
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    Matters a bit less with vector movement, which is what we've been using in the test games.

    And I just relized that I haven't named any of the ships in either of these fleets. Oh well, the hulls still have to be built and painted, and they won't see action till then. For now it's more like an order form...
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:38 No.9641429
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    My own Task Force, pretty capable, and my guess as to what the largest offensive force short of full on Battleship confrontations would be.

    I haven't designed a scouting/forward section yet, I should get on that.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:45 No.9641575
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    Last fleet option within(or close to) the 1200 CPV limit. Overly heavy force, with one CT for scouting duties and ship-to-ship transfers if needs. Going to be able to take quite a bit of damage, but once a ship goes it will hurt. Completely the opposite of the light scout fleet from earlier.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:48 No.9641636
    Damn I love this game.

    Wish they had a US distributor though.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:57 No.9641851
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    Here's my light scout fleet option.

    I figured that basing it around a Carrier would be cool, since I could see a Light Carrier being very effective in most patrol situations. Two CLs, probably one hanging around the Carrier, four DDs four FFs, and two scouts.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)00:59 No.9641890
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    I love this thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:00 No.9641905
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    total cost 1176

    I decided on a UNSC fleet, just because I like their fluff. unfortunately with the new row and weapon rules, I'm not sure they're actually viable. I'm forced to choose between ships that have a lot of AMT or a lot of grazers, both of which have 18MU range. to offset the cost, they've reduced them to 3 rows of hull boxes.

    So basically, I /have/ to engage at close range, and my hulls are weak, but on the other hand they are grazers, so they should kill capital ships pretty fast.

    because I have to engage at close range all the time, I gave them traditional Royal Navy titles (traditional RN tactic, "engage the enemy more closely")
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:00 No.9641906
    Fucking FSE, cheesey mode, easy mode.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:02 No.9641949
    oops, brainworms on my part. 3 rows is an /advantage/
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:05 No.9642003
    Only one of your ships has shields. The ESU fleets in this thread will be pecking away at range for some time.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:09 No.9642094
    Woah woah woah.

    Why did you put NAC names on UN ships? Warspite? Or better yet, a DD called "Dreadnaught"?

    Rename those and the others to "Peacenik" "Ghandi" "Strongly Worded Letter" "Hans Blix" and other UN themed names.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:10 No.9642105

    I'm thinking one of my first purchases beyond the starter fleet will be a carrier. Not sure what size to get though, thinking the Wien class Light Carrier or the Donau class Strike Carrier. Either would work, and both put down as many fighters. Two Prinzessin Hannah class Escort Carriers might work as well.

    DAMN, that's a lot of grazers. Would not be fun to fight that with the heavy fleet earlier...

    They're the reason I always have at least one Emden with me. 4 PDBs and a ADF? Yes please.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:14 No.9642192
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    Does anyone use wave guns or Spinal Nova cannons? Seems like the ScanFed ships are begging to have such a weapon installed in that spinal mount they all seem to have.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:17 No.9642254
    >Your DDs can't shoot behind them
    maybe his can't, but neither can yours unless they don't use their engines...
    yeah, the real battle for me would be getting in range and staying there while the other fleet tries to evade. only the capital ship with it's torpedoes and class 2 grazer has any real long-range ability.

    my complete lack of ADFC is a bit worrying too, but at least everything has it's own PDS batteries.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:18 No.9642283
    Whatever this is... Looks really cool.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:19 No.9642300
    I know they're NAC-style names, but like I said, with all these class 1 grazers Nelson's famous order at the battle of trafalgar "Engage the enemy more closely" applies.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:22 No.9642359
    all my ships can fire out the rear arc...
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:23 No.9642375
    I chuckle at the thought of the UNSC "Hans Blix" trying to run a blockade inspection...
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:24 No.9642392
    It's full thrust, one of the better "Let's blow shit up" starsship wargames out there.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:27 No.9642445
    The only part of that fleet that scares me is the battleship. The destroyer screen will be long gone by the time you actually engage, and your entire battlegroup is forced to travel with the battleship, you have no ability to split the force, unlike the NSL and ESU fleets the other two have posted.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:28 No.9642486

    You can only fire out the aft arc if you didn't activate your main drives. This applies both in the cinematic movement rules. The vector movement rules do not seem to have a similar thing in effect, might be because of the distortions caused by the grav drives of the Cinematic ships as opposed to simple backwash from the reaction drives of the vector ships.

    Of course, if your local rules permit otherwise, go right ahead.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:29 No.9642489
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    This thread is stupid, take your spreadsheets and go do taxes somewhere else.

    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:29 No.9642503

    Rear Arc
    No ship may fire offensive weaponry through it's aft arc, this is due to spatial distortions of the ship's drive fields, which make it impossible to accurately track a distant target through the read 60 degrees of the ships's arcs.

    Close range systems such as PDS are permitted to fire through the aft arc to engage hostile fighter groups or salvo missiles.

    Optional Rule.
    Players may decide to permit aft-arc fire by weapons that are mounted to bear accordingly on any game turn in which the firing ship did not use any thrust from its main drive to accelerate or decelerate.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:30 No.9642516
    >Implying that when flying through an enemy formation you aren't already travelling at ludicrous speed.

    Also, is that rule in effect in fleetbook 1?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:32 No.9642548
    If this rule about the rear 60 holds true, then the guys at Starranger need to re-do the ESU ships, and the NACs or mention that the optional rule is not optional, since allround level 2 batteries are the ESU bread and butter.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:34 No.9642576
    piss off
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:37 No.9642662

    Might be because there isn't a difference in FB1 (And I assume the other books) between a 5 Arc and a 6 Arc class 2 beam as far as points or mass are concerned. Class 3 and above, yes, but class 2 is as follows:

    Class 2 BATTERY (3-arc fire)
    Mass cost: MASS 2, +1 per extra THREE arcs
    Points: Total MASS x 3
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:39 No.9642702
    Firing to the rear is always acceptable if your drives are quiet.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)01:44 No.9642795
    Yeah, my lack of screens means I'd be fighting an uphill struggle, particularly vs the ESU fleet as it's screens affect my grazers.

    Still, when they hit they should hit hard, with their torpedo damage and rerolls.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)02:36 No.9643773
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    My second UNSC fleet, inspired by the needleboats in the 2300 point thread. This fleet is actually a terrible, terrible idea and would almost certainly be dead within 2-3 rounds. Their only chance is to kill the capitals in the first round...
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)02:45 No.9643920
    Wow. That is an crazy number of grazers... And at hull each and that much thust, It would be hard for non-FSE to deal with it quickly enough. FSE would just salvo-whore that fleet dead...
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)02:54 No.9644056
    Going to bump this before I go to bed, so that it might possibly be here in the morning.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:24 No.9644459
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    with lv2 shields and beams that do 6d6 hits EACH+rerolls.

    That's right, this wing of Phalon murder machines can fire 90d6 class 1 beams.

    And yes, our class 3 Plasma Bolt Launchers are just as nasty.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:26 No.9644475
    I couldn't even be bothered to spend the last 201 points on escorts.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:27 No.9644497
    "We explode so you don't have to" is the best division motto ever.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:31 No.9644547

    The cheesmonger dick ships, in otherwords.

    They're incredibly OP.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:38 No.9644668
    pretty much, yeah. the fluff has them as an ancient alien race that's meddling in the Human/Kra'vak war for the lulz.

    they can use all their beam batteries as point defence, and Human ships can't use their beam batteries against Phalon missiles.

    And this is the nerfed version.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:39 No.9644673
    thanks, it seemed...appropriate.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:49 No.9644784

    Not to mention they can basically have level 2 sheids whenever they like until they get close. All they need to do is charge fowards at max speed with sheilds up and then tear them apart with close range guns. Very little finesse required.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:55 No.9644834
    If anyone wants it, here a link to Full Thrust:Remixed.

    It's an updated edition of the rules made in 2008, incorporating the revisions in Fleet Book 1 and the errata. You'll still need the fleetbooks for the fleets themselves, though.

    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)03:58 No.9644879
    yep, the phalon are very win-button. Good job their ships look like diseased turds, or more people would play them.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)05:58 No.9646011
    wasn't the Sa-vasker whatevers the ancient meddlers whose ships look like crab, and the Phalons were the literally amoral mercenary race whose ships look like turd?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)05:59 No.9646023
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)06:02 No.9646043

    No, really though, this is a little different - though you can use BFG ships for it, if you like.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)06:18 No.9646168
    just checked the fluff and you're right. The Sa'vasku are the meddlers. The Phalon are just wildly untrustworthy.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)10:19 No.9648352
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    Because why bother with lasers when you can chuck hyper-rapid chunks of metal at the enemy?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)10:39 No.9648567
    That's always the thing about Full Thrust. Everyone claims how wildly overpowered X faction or race is, until you play against them. It's mildly balanced (the UNSC not so sure since that is an unofficial fleet at time of writing, people seem to have mixed results with Grasers)
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:17 No.9648854
    They do? I never felt so, although basic FSE is actually under-powered IMO.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:25 No.9648906
    You've never seen the effects of FSE missile spam have you?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:27 No.9648929
    I'd agree with this. The only exception is the NSL which is underpowered, every other race has it'splusses and minuses.

    I for instance thought the ESU sucked, until I went up against a player who showed me how tough they were, and how deadly beam spam gets in close quarters.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/06/10(Thu)11:29 No.9648949
    Skimming through it a bit and it indeed looks interesting.

    Are fighter carrier fleets with escorts viable?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:31 No.9648962
    I'v played FSE. I've played against FSE, and "missile spam" means about one in 5 markers find targets in that 6mu radius. Of course we aren't playing easymode inches measurement, so it's a lot harder to guesstimate 6cm's...
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:32 No.9648974
    Fighters are the only really unbalanced part of the game, although there are some unofficial fixes for it. To put it simply-few fighter flights won't do shit. But fighter spam is one of the most terrifying things ever, esp. if the opponent pays for torp fighters.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:34 No.9648986
    Short answer: yes, very much so.

    It's sort of an all or nothing thing though. You either overwhelm the enemy with fighters or find yourself wanting.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:36 No.9648997
    what is this i dont even...

    but i want to even...
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/06/10(Thu)11:36 No.9649001

    Ahh okay, Hmmm.. maybe a ship of the line fleet with some fighter backup then...

    Alright will read some more in depth when I got more time. Thanks guys.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:37 No.9649013
    Just a few interceptors is all you need to keep uncommitted fighter fleet setups on their toes.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:46 No.9649084
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    I;ve posted them recently, but until I paint up some more, that's all I have.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:46 No.9649091
    This game looks pretty damn sweet. How are the rules?
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    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/06/10(Thu)11:51 No.9649136

    I've skimmed through it. They seem a bit complex now, but what new game doesn't?

    The ship creation rules seem awesome though.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:53 No.9649168
    Actually they're dead easy, far easier than any game I played, which includes almost all GW, FOW, Warmachine, a bunch of skirmish games.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:54 No.9649179

    Extremely easy to pick up.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:57 No.9649208
    Easy. Somewhere far under battletech in terms of complexity.

    Also, rules are kinda old.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)11:58 No.9649216
    I'll add this to my .rar file I posted, thanks, nice compendium. Does it include the Star Ranger turn sequence and the fighter balance rules?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)12:01 No.9649243
    They are old, but so is Beethoven's music. The rules work, they need some tweaking as already mentioned, but they're very well balanced (unless you decide to break the ship design system, but it's your damn fault you manchild, not the author who, writing the rules in the early 90's, assumed adults will play the game). Jon IS working on 3ed, but he's working on it since 2000 or so, I wouldn't expect it before Obama sends his mission to mars in 2030.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)12:01 No.9649248

    I use the FTRemixed. It's got the blessings of the original authors and combines, streamlines, and clarifies all the fleet books.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)12:10 No.9649336

    What's the problem the NSL have?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)14:28 No.9651297
    Slow, Very Slow, Extremely Slow.

    And that's only their Destroyer and Frigate squadrons.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)15:03 No.9651883

    Damn, thought the ESU was as slow as they are... Would there be any way to make up for this problem? Besides just boosting the speed up.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)15:07 No.9651927
    Does he need help?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)15:08 No.9651948
    NSL isn't any slower than ESU or most NAC ships.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)15:15 No.9652041
    The ESU ships below cruiser size and above Battlecruiser size are all faster then their NSL counterparts.

    NAC is only equal to the NSL in speed for the Heavy Cruiser, Battle cruiser, and Strike cruiser.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)15:30 No.9652245
    How common is it to play FT with all ships designed by the players from the ground up?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)15:33 No.9652296
    varies from group to group. We put a curfew on them for a while, as our ships quickly spiralled into "absurdly optimized". I mean "Thrust 2, twenty armor, fifty guns" space-fortresses or fifty Missilemarkers in one turn optimized.
    That's their defining quality, change that and you no longer have NSL.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)16:04 No.9652725
    It depends. If you build your ships in an adult (campaign) style, then it works well. If you are playing the game with anyone less than 35 years old, restrict them to canon ship designs.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)16:20 No.9652984
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)16:21 No.9652992

    That problem is why the only design changes I would do would be swapping out some of the weapon mounts, like swapping a class 2 beam for a a few more PDBs, and only after a few battles prove that it really is needed.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)16:45 No.9653349
    Switching around weapons and/or systems on existing ships is 100% kosher. Hell, all that talk, I think I'll need to molest a few people to play soon again.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)17:02 No.9653612
    In our campaigns, we figure that it takes about 10+ weeks to refit a ship, so while you might want to make a change, you're better off repairing ships then refitting them.
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    In all honesty, if you have destroyed section of the ship that included weapons, it shouldn't be any longer to put a new weapon there than to put the same type it was. If you're going to patch up a hole in the hull, it odesn't matter what you're going to patch it up with, you're pracitcally installing it anew anyway.
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    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)17:11 No.9653752
    You're thinking that all weapons systems on a vessel are modular, which is wishful thinking. You put in a new one, you need to rewire it, change the power feeds, the targeting solution, re patch all the weapon stations in CinC to ensure that they're up to speed. It's a big process to get a new weapon, or a different weapon on a ship.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)17:12 No.9653787
    Not to mention failure rates increase when you start messing around with original configurations.

    Naval warfare, and ship design, is a lot different than aircraft. Every ship that comes out of dock is different, with different design features then the last one. There's a general plan, but each ship has improvements over the old one.

    My favourite books, the Honor Harrington universe, modeled this quite well.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)17:15 No.9653848

    Of course, if you have a OUDF fleet then modular systems are perfectly normal and expected. But that's because they explicitly designed them to be like that. Otherwise I can easily see the problems with re-fitting a ship.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)17:18 No.9653900
    Actually I was going to bring HH as an example of moderate modularity. While there was time-lag in refitting compared to just repairing, it was usually a short one, in the order of ~1 week for small mods like switching graser for new version (Beam 2 to Beam 3 etc.). I'd say switching the weapon within it's "class"(beams and grasers, MT missiles, Scatters and SMS, with plasma and SML's forming separate classes as they are completely different weapons) should not incur any penalty within the campaign, or minimal. And that's of course provided we go by Weber's ideas, and ignore the other half of the SF writers who put stock with huge modularity and standarization.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)17:56 No.9654585
    Personally I think Webber is more practical.

    Ships today are not modular, I doubt they will be in the future. The only people to ever build modularly are the Russians, and Weber covered that, with his description on how Havenite circuit boards get fixed (Pullit out, put in non-broken one) vs Manticoran (Patch the board itself due to skilled tehcnicians).

    As to Graser upgrades, that's not the same as upping a class 1 to a class 2 in my opinion. It's more likea minor increase in some aspect, like a MkI vs a MkII engine, or something similar. No real modifications required.

    Anyway, play as you want, I personally have a distaste for vast numbers of 'upgrades' refits and customs. the odd experimental I understand, but once a navy is flying vessels, very rare for them to try to refit the entire fleet, and very rare for them to do it quickly if they decide to.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/06/10(Thu)18:08 No.9654720
    So... there are campaign games?

    Where has this game been all my life? D:
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)18:51 No.9655358
    I'll write up our Campaign rules and post them at some point.

    And yes, Full Thrust is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)19:35 No.9655984
    I think I'll try to come up with a set of rules for the ScanFed ships they've released so far... Likely to focus on Torps and Wave guns, to use the spinal mount they all seem to have. Likely using screens as defenses, average hull strength and speed. Might change hull strength and speed bits so one is better.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)21:51 No.9657836
    Wave Guns are not 'official' weapons. Same with Grasers.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)21:59 No.9657965
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    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:02 No.9658014
    Where are these models from? I have seen them posted but did see any on the full thrust site.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:11 No.9658125
    How are they not official? They are published by GZG in the main rulebooks. It it because they fit into the "Superweapons" section?

    Try here:
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:13 No.9658166
    The Superweapon section is described as 'use at your own risk'. No other fleet has superweapons, why would the Scan-Feds?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:16 No.9658204

    Was only planning on putting it on the larger ships. Just felt that it would work well as a primary spinal weapon for the big ships, with the Torps representing the scaled-down versions the other ships have.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:17 No.9658213
    Shit, I just nostalgia'd up a bit when I saw this, googled and noticed there are a couple of new novels out.

    And a traditional game.

    Anyone here have the rules for that? Are they on /rs/?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:17 No.9658215
    I see the Spinal thing as a keel, nothing more, nothing less.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:22 No.9658297

    I keep seeing it as this huge gun mounted in the middle, primarily due to the barrel-like protrusions at the end of all of them.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:23 No.9658301
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    There is a game, but let me tell you, if you value your sanity, NEVER EVER play SITSS, it will destroy you.

    Complexity goes to 11.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:24 No.9658322
    That's just the low tech FTL drive system they use. We used to use that in the FSE, like, 200 years ago!

    *muffled snickering*
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:25 No.9658338
    I'd just like to look at it.
    And read it a bit.
    In a brotherly sort of way.

    It's not like you think it is!

    Erm. . .yeah, so anyone here who has a link?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:45 No.9658637

    What would you have them do weapon-wise then? They certainly seem to have heavy forward firepower.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:47 No.9658675
    Do what the designer's did for the NSL FSE ESU and NAC, give them a particular ship design philosophy. Maybe they rely on missiles like the FSE but are better defended with shields, the downside, they are slow like NSL and have no armour, as well as having more limited missile loadout.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)22:58 No.9658846
    Or, like he already said, maybe they're an entire fleet of torp whores?
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)23:10 No.9659029
    Torps seem to have their problems though... When they do hit, they hit well, but it seems like the odds of that happening are a bit low at longer ranges. Hm... they would be able to engage and range, but would prefer to close and actually land a hit or two. The ship design looks like it would mostly be forward arc torps, so they might use lighter beams to cover their flanks, likely not anything larger than a class 2 on the cruisers and such, maybe a class 3 or two on the larger ships. The ships seem like either armor or shields would work, with which one likely determining their speed.
    >> Anonymous 05/06/10(Thu)23:52 No.9659727
    I use the character system.

    Every fleet has a character. If it is strong in one area, it is weak in another.

    And yes, I am 42 years old.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)00:25 No.9660313

    Hm... Thinking giving them the shields and slightly higher than average maneuverability, but beams that cover more then the front arc will be rare and small when they do. combiner with a short range for maximum effectiveness, this will tend to make them rely on hitting hard and fast, then attempting to regroup after the attack run.

    And why does your age matter?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)00:27 No.9660351
    Less than 35 was mentioned as poor at balancing custom made ships.

    Shields and good maneuverability? Make their weapons suck then.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)00:32 No.9660445

    Shields would only appear on the larger ships, which would have average maneuverability (Thrust 4 seems average for BBs and up). The smaller ships would just have to hope their hull can take the damage as thy try to rush in close to effectively use the torps. And to hope that they can turn around for a second attack fast enough without side and rear guns.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)01:33 No.9661446
    Bump for great justice
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)04:04 No.9663461
    Whoa I just want to say I REALLY dig these ship models! These are full thrust?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)04:06 No.9663479
    Yep. They're... better painted than most, but they're Full Thrust 'official' models -- NSL ships, to be precise.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/07/10(Fri)05:58 No.9664759
    Watched the first 2 episodes of Legend of Galactic Heroes. Iwannaspacetacticalsimomgomgomg.

    My god... I need to finish reading the rules... <_<

    Also Iron Man 2?

    Eh, it was okay.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)08:20 No.9666362
    The 'new' Full Thrust designs look miles better than the originals. I'm not 100% happy with the ESU look, but I can live with it. FSE and NSL got the best look, even I'll admit to that.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)08:20 No.9666367
    Though the series looses its pacing from time to time, you should enjoy the next 5 or so eps.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)08:24 No.9666411
    And those are pricely the fleets I got in my beginners pack.

    If the thread is still alive, I'll post pics of what they look like when I get them.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)08:25 No.9666435
    Pricely or Precisely?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)08:28 No.9666458
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    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)08:42 No.9666636
    Check that, form up with Task Force Baker and report your Ready Op to Vice Admiral Davis.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)09:25 No.9667106
    I love Fleet Actions!
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)09:36 No.9667170
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    Who doesn't?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)09:38 No.9667189
    NSL means BUSINESS!
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)10:02 No.9667388
    How are you guys making the Ship design things. Is it just copy and paste or is there a form somewhere?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)10:06 No.9667416

    For the fleet format most of us just copy and paste them from here: http://fullthrust.star-ranger.com/index.htm

    For making up-to date new ones, I have no clue what people use. There is an old Java program that does it, but it doesn't have the CPV in the final version, and it doesn't look as nice as the other ones. http://www.flakmagnet.com/ft_files/eric_f/shipbuilder.html is where I got it, bottom of the page.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)10:09 No.9667461
    Yeah, I'm talking about if I were to make my own ships.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)10:31 No.9667680
    There are rules in the FleetBook 1 (and 2 for aliens). They require use of...percentage. so you probably want a simple calculator. Basically you decide on how big the ship is by deciging how much MASS it will have(there are vague guildelines on how big typical classes are), then you decide how structurally strong it is(how many "wound" crates), then you add an engine and also decide how strong it is. The rest of the MASS goes to weapons, defenses and wierd shit. calculating basic point costs is also as hard as adding sums together.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)11:08 No.9668156
    Copy paste the image files of the weapons onto a grid.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:01 No.9668912
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    What is /tg/s opinion of the Harrington books?

    I'm considering reading them, since people say they are good.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:10 No.9669029
    good enough. They're really spaceship porn with super-heroic (as far as officership goes) main hero. You either love it or hate it.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:11 No.9669043
    Some of the best military sci-fi out there.

    Think "Tom Clancy at his best, in Space"
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:11 No.9669047
    They are. A little iffy recently according to others, but generally well written from what I've experienced.

    It's scifi warfare pulp wankery at all levels though. Mary Sue-ness does occur and plot armor abounds.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:37 No.9669332
    The best tool I'm aware of for those who want to make custom ships is the spreadsheet available at

    It'll calculate everything for you, including CPV, and is generally up-to-date, but it won't make a pretty ship diagram for you, you'll have to assemble them yourself by cut-n-paste or using another tool.

    I notice someone saying Grazers aren't offical - they are. Check http://www.groundzerogames.net and you'll find several official ships and weapons that have not yet been collected in a fleet book.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:41 No.9669390
    Grazer rules are not official, Star Ranger says so.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:55 No.9669624
    The're beta, in all honesty that means they probably won't change much. But be aware when building custom ships that grasers 1 are probably the best weapon in the entire game effect/price.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)12:59 No.9669689
    Star ranger says none of the designs are 'official' until published by GZG. The UNSC ships are beta, but the AMTs and grazers have been published.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)13:03 No.9669731
    IMO grazers are quite expensive in terms of risk.
    Look at the UN fleet posted earlier, that is a very heavy concentration of firepower in very few ships...
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)13:06 No.9669758
    i'm talking about deisgning a fleet from ground up. The ships will end up more point-expensive than equivalent in non-graser fleets, but...18mu range, hits on 4+, does d6 damage o 4,5, 2d6 on 6 with a reroll AND it's AP so half goes to hull ignoring armor. And class 1 is light enough to have a whole ship festooned with them, it IS rapemobile.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)13:07 No.9669768
    maybe, maybe not. either way I hope they publish Fleet Book 3 or FT 3 sometime this decade. I want to field my UNSC models with a completed, tested fleetbook...
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)13:14 No.9669851
    certainly they make level 2 screens a lot more important on key capital ships...
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)13:42 No.9670225

    What really annoys me about grazers is that they seem to be definitively better then pulse torps, and they cost less. Just doesn't seem right.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)14:13 No.9670756
    it's true a pulse torpedo cost 50% more than a class 1 grazer, but remember pulse torpedoes are not affected by defences and have nearly twice the range. basically, everything is equally weak against pulse torpedoes so they're a good general purpose weapon.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)15:51 No.9672251
    If it is not in:
    Full Thrust,
    More Thrust
    FB1 or FB2 it is not official.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)15:58 No.9672333
    the rules for grazers are on GZG's site, can't get more official then that
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)15:59 No.9672349
    I has a question...who the fuck cares? No, why would you care if it's official or not, if it's fun? Next thing you'll be saying japs waveguns should be banned.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)16:16 No.9672580
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    Yah, just play what's fun, and most importantly, ask if you can use it first.

    That way there is no hurt fatguy feelings.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)16:28 No.9672786
    >Captain, the enemy has hit a vital location, we are now entering state Butthurt, I repeat, we are entering state Butthurt.

    >Damn grasers....
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)16:52 No.9673200
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    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)17:05 No.9673419
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    So, any phalon players?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)17:06 No.9673434

    from the planet Phallus
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)17:07 No.9673451
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    You may now commence to hurr.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)17:35 No.9673997
    I can never respect the flying turds, despite how awesome the ships are.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)17:37 No.9674028
    Oh, god. Those really are phalluses.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)17:40 No.9674093
    And an actual explaination from the company:
    OK, let me lay this one to rest (oo-er, was that some unintentional innuendo there…?) with an "OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE TRUE FACTS"(tm):
    The original inspiration for the Phalon ship designs did come from Outlanders, one of my favourite Manga at the time, and was definitely more "snails" than "phallic" in intent. Dave (Garhnhamghast here, so he DOES know what he's talking about on this!) did the sculpting for us. At this point the fleet/race had no name, I just wanted a fleet of biotech starships made.
    Once Dave had done the first few ships, it became quite obvious that there were certain, shall we say, "symbolic influences" that some people would pick up on… so we decided to run with the joke, hence the name was chosen. Look on the bright side, they were very nearly the "Nobberonians"….
    The rest, as they say, is history (or biology, or something).
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)20:04 No.9676319
    Played this last night, shit was fun as hell.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 05/07/10(Fri)20:04 No.9676332

    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)20:05 No.9676350
    Looking over the rules, think I could make ships out of Lego?
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)20:12 No.9676456
    ALL is measured from the center of the flight base. You could carve them out of wood and as long as you know what is what it'd be okay.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)20:28 No.9676743
    yep, absolutely no reason at all to use the official models, unless you like them. None of this GW-style "you must have the model to field the unit" stuff. The rules explicitly state that they don't care so you can use whatever you like, even for tournaments..
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)20:30 No.9676787
    also, the rules use "measurement units" or MU, instead of a specific unit. Inches are recommended for the standard scale, but you can use miles or mm if you like.
    >> Anonymous 05/07/10(Fri)20:55 No.9677193
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    Hells yeah. I want to officially declare space-jihad with my Islamic Federation ships.

    Also holy shit, this thread is still alive.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)00:25 No.9680621
    This thread shall not die. It has come to far to be killed off by space muslims.

    On topic, is there any method to make directional defences? Or would you have to make up such things yourself?
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)00:33 No.9680748
    No, you'd have to house-rule them in. screens, armour and point defense systems are all omnidirectional as far as I can remember...

    I agree, the thread must live on, regardless of astrohadjis.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)00:40 No.9680876
    Hm... how would you do that? Allow them to purchase armor that works in only one arc at 3 for the mass and points of one normal unit? And just having one-arc screens cost 1/3 the normal amount in points and mass?
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)05:27 No.9684970
    Rent a football field and use yards / meters as MU for... i don't even know, it'd just be crazy.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)05:33 No.9685017
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    i can't play, huh.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)05:39 No.9685063
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    Crazy FUN you mean. Shit, I'd play that on a sunny day.

    Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)07:42 No.9686126
    sure you can! the rules just require a model with a base that has a center stick to measure from. So long as that's there, you can make a whole fleet out of sprue, for all anyone cares.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)07:45 No.9686163

    Has this thread been here for three days now?

    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)07:48 No.9686193
    Yes, yes it has, thanks to the tireless efforts of people who like bitty spaceships.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)07:51 No.9686229
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    Wankers,all of them.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)07:52 No.9686237
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    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)09:23 No.9687200
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    well, there are rules for starbases too but for some reason they're just not very manouverable...

    personally I think the planetary assault and bombardment stuff's pretty cool but I've never played a scenario that called for it.

    Pic related: an assault ship with drop-pods fitted, and the circular starbase template
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)10:21 No.9687817
    that seems ok, but only as class 1: if someone wants class 2 shields they need to buy 2 full shield generators.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)10:36 No.9687976
    Planetary Assault missions are awesome, especially when you throw in reinforcements, sensor rules, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)13:14 No.9690087

    What's the problem with having a directional class 2 shield? Might make the second shield generator cost 2/3 instead, so the whole thing is a class 2 directional shield for the cost of a full-ship class 1 shield.
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    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)17:26 No.9693706
    yeah, I just don't like the idea of someone buying a class 2 front-arc shield for less than the price of a normal class one shield.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)20:36 No.9696991
    Firestorm Armada anyone? How does it compare to this?
    ANd does anyone have a scan?
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)21:24 No.9697766

    Only things I know are things I picked up second hand:

    Upper speed limit of the ship's move speed. (IE: Non-vacuum space)
    Squadron rules.
    Lot more dice rolled.
    MUCH larger models than nearly any other range.

    Other than that, I know nothing, and even that is second hand.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)21:32 No.9697935
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    the ship designs are very nice (see pic). Other than that, I don't really have a lot good to say about this game. It's not really a starship combat game at all, in fact it's a re-theming of "The Uncharted Seas" which is Spartan Games' fantasy naval game. All ships have fixed min/max movement rates, and the ships even do broadsides and fast boarding actions. It's nearly as good as GW's Man O' War, Battlefleet Gothic beats it, and it's a awful compared to Full Thrust. Basically, it's hyper-newbie level.

    and no, there are no scans because it barely qualifies as a wargame and also it's got a card-based mechanic.

    tl;dr ships are sexy, but the game's shit-tier.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)22:05 No.9698448
    Those models are pretty big, up to 7" long. But beware - Firestorm Armada ships are basically short run resin casts and are not preassembled.

    This means warping, miscasts and HUGE THICK EXTRA PIECES OF RESIN FLASH YOU CAN'T BREAK OFF and have to carfully cut, shave and file away are par for the course. If you've never had to fix a badly shaped multipart model before, you may have difficulty
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)22:10 No.9698511
    Here's a link to the Saganami Tactical Simulator game. I haven't played it, but if it is anything like Attack Vector: Tactical, it's hard as shit at first, but oh so fun when you actually get it.

    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)22:26 No.9698764
    Fuck yeah spaceships!!
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)22:35 No.9698906
    wow, that shit is pretty cheap
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)23:33 No.9699898

    Both games are pretty damn awesome, and most of the real difficulty comes from actually comprehending HOW to maneuver in 3d. Both games have what seems to be a complicated system, but actually works out VERY elegantly when you actually get a hang of them.

    Only tip with them: PLAY THE GAME!
    Don't just read the rules. You'll regret it if you just read it. You pretty much HAVE to play the rules in order to understand them. That being said, the actual mechanics are quite simple, and there are very few exceptions to how they work, which makes playing quite nice.

    Oh, additionally? If you've played Saganami Island v1, TRY v2. It literally is about eight times faster. More fun too.
    >> Anonymous 05/08/10(Sat)23:37 No.9699957
    The models are, the game...not so much. But Weber himself has had a lot of input on the game and the databooks so that means it kicks ass.
    Since you've played both anon, which would you recommend?
    >> Xveers 05/08/10(Sat)23:57 No.9700292
    It's a bit of a hard call. If you're a real big fan of Honor Harrington, then SITS is the way to go (Fleet book 3 is out now, so you have all the ship classes needed to take you into the first couple novels, at least to novel 4, perhaps 5 except for the lack of the PN battleship).

    If your tastes for combat go to the harder sci-fi then I'd suggest Attack Vector. Personally, I like Attack Vector more. It's perhaps only moderately more complicated, and you do end up running smaller fleets (it takes a real pro to fly more than 3 ships independantly in that game) but it gives far more "you remember when..." moments, and also rewards you for some creative thinking. Movement in Attack Vector is more complex, but that's because it actually does stuff like displacement during accelleration (which Saganami Island and the other game below don't do).

    Now, in the entirely opposite end of the spectrum is a third game called Squadron Strike. Same basic movement mechanics like Saganami, but it comes with the ability to customize ships and weapons, so you can design your own navies like Full Thrust. Downside to that is that it currently uses a very well built spreadsheet to do it. Upside is that you can do just about any universe, any weapon, and make it feel right. Double upside is that a more powerful and sleeker design setup is under development.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)00:07 No.9700451
    The principal of Ad Astra is a pompous ass, second only to Paladium's Kevin "I poop sourcebook gold" Sembieda.

    So none of that for me.
    >> Xveers 05/09/10(Sun)00:36 No.9700901
    Heh yeah, I admit Ken Burnside has a bit of an ego about such things, and he's quite firm in his beliefs, but in fairness he's managed to herd enough cats (creative, somewhat antisocial people) in one place long enough to actually do something that a LOT of people would denounce as being completely impossible. And made it at least reasonably playable. I'm willing to give him his ego :P
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)00:48 No.9701066
    Full Thrust seems to be getting a lot of /tg/ attention.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)00:50 No.9701103
    Plus his games are actually fun. If you've got that, I could care less if you walk around town with a cane and crown, smiting people as you call them commoners.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)01:00 No.9701271
    I've only read some of his posts on projectrho, why is he an ass?
    >> Xveers 05/09/10(Sun)01:05 No.9701346
    Anyone whose "ramming rule" in a game is "Make a speech to everyone playing and watching the game, citing the importance of the battle to the empire etc etc". Once done, eveyone who listens takes a vote. 50% +1 agree to ram, you get to ram. Otherwise, the crew mutinies and you lose control of the boat.

    So even if you succeed in ramming, everyone's entertained.
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    Day five in the Full Thrust house and the conversation is still going...
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)03:33 No.9703799
    Ohhh.. FSE ships!
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)06:28 No.9705785
    Sure is lack of stats for the ScanFed ships I bought in this game :<
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    Stat them out yourself, it's fun and educational! or use them as ESU or the New Israeli, or any other fleet you fancy. Hell, my ships have been israelis, french, kra'vak and ESU in different games.

    Also, my god is the topic long-lived!
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)06:40 No.9705901
    Is it acceptable to count the turning angle of a ship by just using the hexagonal bases? Me and the guy I play it with found it's a hell of a lot quicker than messing around with the thing. What's it called, dammit, the ring with the course marked around the edge and you put your ship in the middle to see its heading.

    Anyway we just ended up putting one finger on one corner of the hex base and counting round in increments, does anyone else do that?
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)06:44 No.9705953
    I do sometimes. I still find the ring useful for mutliple or complex course changes, but for simple one or two-degree course changes it does speed things considerably.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:00 No.9706146
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    You now wish to have this ship in your fleet
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:06 No.9706215
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    Not really, it'd probably cost a bomb and all you need to do is stay in it's rear arc. And with Thrust 1 it aint gonna go anywhere.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:08 No.9706230
    That is one slow bastard of a ship. Imperial Star Destroyer?
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:12 No.9706274
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    They didn't have missiles. Well, photon torps (or whatever it was called), but they were really just direct fire weapons too, not guided.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:12 No.9706277
    Yeah I only ever use hex bases to work out my turning. If you want to make sure you do it accurately, you just make sure it's always aligned with one of the table edges. and it'll always be accurate.

    BTW that thing is called the turn gauge.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:16 No.9706327
    >turn gauge.

    Aha, thanks
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:18 No.9706349
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    >BTW that thing is called the turn gauge.
    So you can gauge your turn, ingenious!
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:20 No.9706371
    I want to introduce my university's RPG/wargames etc society to this now...

    Wonder what's best for an introductory game - give 4 - 6 players two ships each and let them have at each other?
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:21 No.9706384
    Explain the rules (esp. move) in short. Give one ship to each player. Help where needed. Give cruisers, escorts are too easy to one-shot, and above batcrus it takes very long to kill the ship.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:24 No.9706430

    I guess cinematic movement is also better to start with than vector movement.

    Which one's more popular, anyway?
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:27 No.9706465
    pretty much yeah. If it's a demo/trial game, you might like to try running Full Thrust Lite. It's just the basic rules and weapon systems so it's really fast to pick up. If you/they like it you can move onto the faction fleets, advanced weapon systems

    it's available for free (like all the full thrust rules)at:
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:29 No.9706480
    I have only limited experience, but my group prefers cinematic, it's just a game and it's less hassle.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:34 No.9706532
    I generally play cinematic movement. I don't know why. probably because it's easier to work out quickly what I'm going to do in my head and have it actually work.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:39 No.9706581
    definitely do not let anyone field fighters in a first game. They're murdermachines (you may notice all the point-defence on the ships posted earlier, it's there for a reason) but it makes the movement phase about 3x more complex.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:41 No.9706599
    In one or two wings they're harmless really. It's when you field six to eight wings of torp fighters that shit is getting silly. Like, midway silly.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)07:43 No.9706614
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    But I agree, no fighters (and possibly no salvo missiles) in the first game. Keep it to beams and plasma torps.
    >> Anonymous 05/09/10(Sun)09:07 No.9707556
    Not only is this thread still going, but it's sister thread is underway...


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