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    188 KB Mary-Sue Competition Nine 12/31/07(Mon)12:37 No.955104  
    Groan-inducing characters will always be made and argued for, and are a natural hazard that exist in any game where a person has any degree of control over their characters. From the people who name their characters after body parts to the one's who's understanding of "original" comes from "original flavor" plain yogurt, bad characters will always be continued to be made.

    The best of the worst of course has to be the "Mary-sue", the heavily broken character with ridiculous characteristics that are designed so the player can fulfill his own personal fantasies. These "self-inserts" are spun with every ounce of the player's fragile mind, using every last thing they consider cool and throwing it into a single character, with hilarious results as the only product.

    Now, I challenge /tg/, to a Mary Sue competition. If you think you've had someone use one worse than the one I am about to describe, feel free to take up the challenge. The rules of this game are simple:

    1. Describe the character, with as little exaggeration as possible.
    2. This has to be a character that was actually played for a session, or that the person actually made the entire character sheet
    3. Feel free to describe DMPCs or DMNPCs, as well as regular PCs.
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    >> Nine 12/31/07(Mon)12:38 No.955108
    Now, for my Challenger. This is one I may have brought up before, but lord knows it's worth a chuckle.

    This was a character designed for what we decided was going to be a serious, long campaign. It was made and designed by a person who says he had played D&D for 10+ years, ever since he was in middle school. It is a character he had been thinking about for years, and later revealed that he had even written stories about him.

    To begin with, it's almost entirely custom. Custom class, custom race, custom abilities, custom items. The majority of the rest of the character, such as the variety of poisons he carried, comes from Nonwizards published books, such as the Assassin's Handbook. If any of you have seen that thing, stifle your laughter for now.

    The race is a Lolth-touched drow. It's essentially a drow with pure red eyes, small horns, four spider legs on his back (which could make claw attacks), the ability to levitate a foot off the ground at will, damage reduction, energy resistance, bonuses to dex and cha, spell resistance, the traditional 120ft drow darkvision, drow weapon proficiencies, and the ability to produce webbing that was both stronger than steel and lighter than silk, which he could use to make armor and weapons, as well as stick to ceilings and support his weight. The silk could be produced at will.

    The class is a custom necromancer. A sorcerer, that in exchange for a few spell slots (1 per spell level), gained the ability to know extra necromantic spells as well as animate dead as a spell like ability. He also had a familiar, a winged snake that could create a fear effect at will.
    >> Nine 12/31/07(Mon)12:39 No.955113
    This was supposed to be a level 1 character, and had no level adjustment. He adamantly claimed that it was completely balanced. His alignment is CE.

    The backstory, if I recall correctly, is that he was made in a ritual to Lolth, and is the eldest son of a high ranking drow noble family. In order to spare his third brother from being sacrificed, he fled Menzobberanzan to work with Bregan D'Aerth, and became Jarlaxle's right hand man. He then left Bregan D'Aerth, to join a party of good humans, a CG elf and a LN dwarf.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)12:45 No.955133
    Wow hard to top that.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)12:46 No.955137
    Before we continue, are canon Mary Sues allowed, or is this an original Mary Sue character competition?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)12:47 No.955141

    Oh wow.

    I'm deeply interested in learning exactly how the telling him no went off.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)12:49 No.955149
    But...Conan falls pretty much into the "Mary sue" district but he is awesome. Is something wrong with me?
    >> Nyarly 12/31/07(Mon)12:50 No.955154
    Im intrigued to see how he justified the lack of an LA adjustment.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)12:54 No.955162
    I'm assuming it was "I won't be able to go into towns/everyone will be scared of me which is clearly worth -5 ECL".
    >> Nyarly 12/31/07(Mon)12:55 No.955164

    For all this I would be expecting more on the scale of some major elemental weaknesses, maybe a CON/STR penalty to throw off the DEX/CHAR boost etc etc
    >> Nine 12/31/07(Mon)13:05 No.955182
    Original is probably better, since someone out there must have made an Elminster clone PLUS giving him eyes that glow when he gets angry.

    The majority of his argument was "Well, spell resistance/damage reduction/darkvision etc. doesn't come into play THAT often."
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:05 No.955185
    One of my friends used to play characters that were always shockingly like him in terms of personality and haircut. (except his character is always in much much better shape than he is in real life, duh)

    So basically, every game he's in has been just playing characters that are basically him but with different abilities tacked on top.

    Over time, he started to diverge out and became a lot more competent at playing different characters. But in the beginning most of his characters were very much shameless self-insertions.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:06 No.955187
    Disguise self and it's gone...
    Hat for 2000 gp...
    I don't think that 1 slot and 2000 gp are worth any LA...
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:08 No.955193
    I've been fortunate enough to never witness a real, honest-to-goodness Mary Sue (except maybe from myself, when I was much younger and first getting into gaming). I mean of course that most of the groups and people I've played with tend to think "less is more", and any time there has been a totally over-the-top or ridiculously awesome character, it fit with the campaign setting, and everyone else in the game had one too--mostly this was intended for tongue-in-cheek and not so serious gaming, of course.

    So, as I said, when I was younger, I had the bad hard-on for Mary Sues. My first character ever was an elf of indeterminate race (he always wore a mask and heavy cloak due to some severe disfigurement), and his primary weapon was a claymore. Naturally, he was a hired killer. Totally over-the-top evil besides. Spellbook bound in human flesh (was a fighter/mage I should mention... this was in AD&D days), prone to killing over any perceived slights or insults, you name it.

    So yeah, basically a depraved, horrendously evil, sickeningly mysterious elf assassin.
    >> Nine 12/31/07(Mon)13:11 No.955198
    He wore a cloak+mask that covered his features in town.

    The DM actually OK'd it, probably because he only glanced at the sheet and was expecting something like this from the player. The rest of the group and I had to sit through his introduction, his in-game retelling of his backstory, several encounters with him clinging to the ceiling with his webbing and casting spells, his apparent invulnerability to most attacks, his scaring away townsfolk with his winged serpent, and the like. The strange part is, it wasn't until he announced that he was going to cover the door we had just went through with webbing only he knew how to break so that no monsters could sneak in that I snapped.

    I began to nerdrage, and it first turned into an argument of whether or not his character was broken (which was settled the moment every had a chance to actually look at his character sheet) and then turned into a dramatic discussion of whether there was anything truly wrong with letting a person play a broken character, which ended up with the player spitefully rolling up a gnome barbarian and telling us he hated us all.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:14 No.955212
    good end
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:17 No.955218

    Man you were hating on Spiderman. What the fuck? His life is hard enough already.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:18 No.955220
    With great power comes great responsibility.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:20 No.955228
    LOL@gnome barbarian.
    He deserved that.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:21 No.955233

    I just sprayed my drink. Bastard.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:21 No.955235
    Spiderdrow, Spiderdrow,
    makes a character though he doesn't know how,
    Spins a web, made of fail,
    Surprised he doesn't use a double flail,
    Look Out!
    Here comes the Spiderdroooooooooooow.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:26 No.955247
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:27 No.955250
    Why did I lol so hard. Everyone's looking at me funny now.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:30 No.955264
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    conan is awesome and his stories are told because he is one of those people that manage to break away and become something truely spectacular if he wasn't then there would be no stories.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:31 No.955276

    I lolled.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:32 No.955279
    I used to play with a power-gaming ass-hat who insisted on custom class and race.

    Dig, this nigga always brought up this "Dark Hound" race of pseudo-celestials. Totla closet furfag.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:34 No.955292
    why'd you even make this a contest, OP? It's like starting an eating contest and then eating a hundred million hotdogs. No one can hold a candle to it and we'd have just been happy to see you eat a hundred million hotdogs
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:34 No.955293
    I once knew a guy who showed up at one of our games with a completely screwed up abilities and powers that he just wrote down on as side notes. We're supposed to be a level 1 party and his character was 20 levels above us. Half of the abilities he wrote in for himself are stupidly powerful and are a mechanical disaster to even think about. The character's name was his name spelled backwards. the character's description? "Buff, Tall, Handsome". No joke, this guy actually put that in there.

    After much negotiating, he finally agreed to play a character that was at our level. (We basically kept on all saying, "uhhh, no. you either play something normal or you can go home.)

    The thing was, he still insisted throughout the entire game session that his character was destined for greatness and that his character was the "Chosen One". The chosen one what we never really bothered figuring it out since we just stopped paying attention after a while.

    But to be honest, this came to us as no surprise though. Outside of gaming, the guy fancied himself a rennaissance man but really he sucked at everything he tried his hand at. And he always had a much more inflated image of himself than what everyone else saw. In his own mind, he was a rockstar and a badass. In everyone else's eyes? He was a self-agrandizing joke with delusions of grandeur.

    Expectedly, this guy doesn't actually have friends, just people who tolerate him in small doses.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:34 No.955294
    Admittedly, when I was like 14-15, I too had a hardon for Mary-Sues, and so did my DM, so all of his campaigns ended up with me winning in a spectacular show of rail-roaded victory, no exceptions.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:36 No.955297
    Wow, that's incredibly lame.

    The two of you must've really enjoyed your mutual wankfest.


    Wait, 14? This GM, after he let you "win" at D&D, did he... did he touch you?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:37 No.955304
    Shit, the closest I can do for this level of mary sue is about a character on a PW in Neverwinter nights.

    There were katanas and EXPLODE INTO THE DRAGON FLAME FLYING AROUND THE CHURCH TO HEAL THE INJURED. do you want it, /tg/? Are you sure?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:37 No.955305
    did you have fun? did the other party members have fun? you were only 14, look back and think good times.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:38 No.955313
    In this one campaign I was in my friend was playing some weird spellcasting/melee class that could kick a fighter's ass with a weapon and a wizard's ass with his spells (TOTALLY BALANCED AMIRITE?) and when he died the DM let him be revived because his god was like "you're fighting the ultimate evil so you can go back to living lol" (I don't even think he had to drop a level when he got revived). The worst part was the DM let him change his race to half-celestial without the LA or anything (he couldn't get the wings but had like a 15% chance of regenerating any lost appendage right on the spot and given a little bit of time I'm pretty sure the DM would have let him have the wings). So when he comes back he's pretty much the DM's pet and nothing bad really happens to him while me and another guy burned through characters just about every 3 sessions. The DM's girlfriend didn't get hurt either (go figure).
    So DM's pet gets made general of the army we were in (we were fighting a war) and DM's girlfriend is the only one in the world who can control the dragon things (custom monsters for tha campaign) that'll help win the war. Me and the other guy, pretty much bystanders that made no difference to the plot. The campaign didn't last long, so maybe he would have incorporated us somehow, but I don't think it'd ever happen.
    Worst part is we were about lvl 6-8 and he single handedly took on a guy that was at least lvl 15 and won. It was the DM's first campaign, so I can forgive him for that, but it sucked to be me or the other guy
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:39 No.955315
    Haha, yeah, I love to hate those people.

    I had a friend in High School, dude's name was Chris.

    Chris was an all right fellow, until I started to get to know him better.

    I had known about 300 a few years before it's release (I liked Sparta BEFORE it was cool, fuck your shit) so we were sort of Spartaphiles together, but without the gay sex.

    So after a while, he tries to tell me that his Lineage traces back to Sparta, and to some Roman General, and any time we would play football or wrestle, the kid would try to pull off Kung Fu moves, like his self proclaimed "Dragon Kick" which entailed him trying to do some kind of spinning kick, and failing hilariously.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:40 No.955323

    I think we all did this when we were kids and can forgive each other for it on the condition of never mentioning it again for as long as we all live.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:41 No.955329
    He did :(


    I did, and I do. Was lotso fun, well as much fun as a 2 man session could be. Didnt hurt that he could tell a story well either.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:41 No.955331
    >we were sort of Spartaphiles together, but without the gay sex
    Closet homosexual detected.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:42 No.955335
    >>955329 :(
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:43 No.955338
    I seriously think we should all get a by on retarded shit we did when we were younger than fifteen because I had some pretty retarded mary-sue characters back then.
    >> Nyarly 12/31/07(Mon)13:47 No.955351
    When I was 15 I hadn't gotten into D&D type rping and was doing the crazy shit freeform things - forums, message boards, that type of thing. So you can imagine there was some crazy Mary Sues around the place. I wasn't the worst I saw but I did have some bad ones.

    I had a character that was actually a weapon possessing some poor sucker. The weapon was unbreakable and could become any melee weapon and any element and could possess anyone as long as they touched it, as well as retaining the knowledge and skills of everyone it had possessed. So it had possessed some warriors, it got their fighting skills, it possessed a mage, it got some spells..

    Yeah that was awesome actually. Good times. Good times.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:48 No.955360
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:50 No.955367
    I've always had a policy when it came to character generation: Core races, core classes. You may be able to prestige later, but prestige classes had to be ok'ed by me first.

    People groaned a little, but no one had any real problem.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:53 No.955380
    Wasn't that an actual character in Jojo's Bizarre Adventures? I think there was a sword in one of the arcs that possess whoever touches it and it grants the person supreme sword fighting skills.

    In the end, I think the sword got lobbed into the river as a broken hilt.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:53 No.955382
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:55 No.955386
    Anubis stand in part 3.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:56 No.955392
    I have a one guy who DMs for me a lot. Generally pretty good with stories, except if he doesn't have stuff planned WAY in advance, or if we deviate too far from expected, Mary Sue DMPCs and railroading hit fucking hard.

    I think probably the worst was a scifi campaign swimming with these DMPCs, as it was based on a series of scifi stories he wrote in high school. So there was a veteran who was the sole survivor from his company from a war that eradicated a planet who was driven emo-insane by psionic ancient aliens who lived underground on the planet, so he felt the psychic pain of all his friends that died there, and left as an embittered fighter against both governments involved with psychic powers, the fastest ship in the quadrant, and weapons that are two levels higher than anyone else in the setting.

    Then there was the immortal madman who occationally shows up and murdered cities, followed by periods of lucidity where he just did whatever he wanted to.

    I think this problem is much, much worse in settings with an existing canon. Every time he makes up the whole game world, there are Mary Sues everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)13:56 No.955394
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    THE Mary Sue. There is no competition.
    >> Nyarly 12/31/07(Mon)13:59 No.955405

    No idea, never played it. Wasn't even aware of it till I was around 17 and still haven't played it.

    Oh and if anyone has anything to do with their character that involves the phrase "pure energy" anywhere, they're Mary Sue-ing.

    I once saw someone who's characters "true form" was pure energy, he had a pirate ship of pure energy and attacked using pure energy. He was apparently some kind of fallen godchild with a dark tragic past who (I wish I was joking on this bit) weilded double-ended swords in each hand.

    And in before "Thats actually your character" because no.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:01 No.955410
    Okay, but who is she?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:02 No.955415
    "that's actually your character" because no
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:06 No.955428

    It's a little off-topic, but a few friends and I were building a MUD a few years back. As Imms, we were going to be gods of some of the races available to the players. One friend and I decided that our races would be warring races of elves. About halfway through the build, he decided his race of elves would be made of pure sunlight. I quit after that.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:09 No.955440
    Anita Blake.
    she's like Buffy, but she fucks EVERYONE and there's less combat. And Buffy at least showed fallibility by dying once.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:10 No.955444
    Buffy fucked everyone too. And then cried about it.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:12 No.955452

    That's Anita Blake, Vampire Sue^WHunter, aka the Sue-iest sue who ever sued her way out of suesville. Problems in her books have exactly two solutions. 1) Have sex. 2) Blow shit up.

    Sometimes, for variety, the two are combined.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:13 No.955457

    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:14 No.955461

    Also, she's fucking three different types of furries, plus a bunch of corpses, and gets more powerful every time she fucks one of them. It's like World of Insufficient Light crossed with Dragonball Z.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:19 No.955473
    This character was made for a forum RP game and is the worst example of a Mary Sue that I've ever seen. Just to establish what was "normal" in this game: the game was a blend of Silent Hill and Persona in that the characters manifest monstrous forms based on the repressed parts of their personality.

    The character was a young American/Japanese guy with "flowing" black hair and dazzling good looks. He's so drop-dead gorgeous that hordes of girls literally flock to the coffee shop that he works at to gawk at him. He describes himself as having "deep, emerald eyes". He's also the major love interest of the story's main character. His occupation is that of a vagabond, being able to wander the world and pick up employment wherever he goes with ease.

    His demonic form was Sephiroth. I am not making this up.

    This form was based on his fear of death. He is the second most powerful being in the world, second only to the aforementioned main character that he's fucking. In the second "book" of the game he dies, only to overcome his fear of death in the process and then be resurrected in a new, even more powerful form. This has also rendered him immortal.

    And to top it all off, he named the character after himself. Both first name and last name.

    (Fortunately, this was a few years ago and since then the player has outgrown such travesties.)
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:20 No.955476
    One guy in my campaign said he was going to make a custom wizard-driven race despite having a decent character going in the middle of the setting already. I gritted my teeth and approved so long as he could give it a reasonable background and nonfaggoty name.

    Once the game got started he turned in the racial stats and I looked at the name on the top.


    -2 strength, +2 INT and +2 WIS, Darkvision 60ft, low-light vision, could cast prestidigitation at will and detect magic 3/day. They lived in excess of 300 years and hid their children in fiercely defended nurseries where they studied until the age of 10, at which point they would exit with black hair and a face shrouded in magical darkness that not even a true seeing spell could pierce, but their glowing eyes would shine out brightly in red, green, blue, yellow, or purple, depending on their mood.

    We were at level 12 when this happened, so he already had a loremaster whose INT stat was at 24 through ability progression, the racial bonus and magic items. He demanded that he take the "immediate magic" variant in place of a familiar despite having no specialized schools, to which I just told him he could cast "fly" and told him to fuck off.

    His weakest ability was strength with a score of 12 (I think he insisted that he keep his rolls from the previous character). (cont...)
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:20 No.955478

    He never made a prepared spell list and instead casted whatever he wanted. The paladin detected evil on him as he entered the scene, at which point he said "I don't see any evil here." We assumed he'd put down neutral and kept going.

    It all came to a head when the rogue NPC that was the only character that survived countless reboots of the setting for a whole year and was key to the current plot asked his name and was given a phantasmal killer spell.

    I ruled that the paladin retroactively DID detect evil on him and they were now beating the shit out of him moments backward in time. He'd had a history of dual-wielding munchkins and mary sues and we finally decided to never play DnD with him again.

    Oh, and he sketched pictures of the character that was basically a blocky 12 year-old level rendition of a black mage from Final Fantasy with flames on the sleeves of his robe. Also, he named him Cid.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:22 No.955481
    Oh no, somebody took an idea that wasn't authorized by WotC! What a horrible thing to do!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:26 No.955496
    We'd had interesting custom races before and it worked out fine. This was instead a cheap imitation of the one dimensional spooge of Brian Clevinger.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:29 No.955506

    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:39 No.955534

    *shakes fist at internet*
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:41 No.955537
    I hit it with my cold iron greatsword.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:46 No.955552

    Oh man, I hate to bald people who just write in that their character is 'attractive/sexy/beautiful'. Its ok if you want them to be attractive, but don't just place a blanket statement like that. Its so damn lazy and so mary sue.

    Though, I am speaking a bit from hypocricy. I tend to play my characters to be attractive, but in so far as being attractive to me. I doubt everyone finds a lean faced stubble'd middle easterner to be handsome, so I can't go and say "BWAH BWAH HES HANDSOME AND SEXY AND TALL AND DARK". But saying such a character looks Persian or Afghani is likely to already dismiss any chance of me being a marty sue. :3

    Though it does seem like 6'0 feet is the minimum for most characters. I've encountered probably one human character shorter than that.


    HAhahahahaa, oh god, there were so many mary sues in the Persistent Worlds of NWN. I have to admit I had one too, but I was 15 and just starting to RP. By chance, did you go to stormplay? Doubt it, but I am curious.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:48 No.955557
    I lol'd
    You defend retarded weaboo munchkin idea? GTFO!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:49 No.955560
    >I hate to bald people
    Why do you hate to shave people's heads, again?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:49 No.955562
    I'm 6'6", my mary sueisms are always like 5'8" because I have pretty substantial back pain
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:50 No.955569
    I hopefully have never played with anyone describing their character as beautiful.
    Next time I'm going to make a PC he's going to be ugly bald guy with big nose (like Beethro Budkins, except hair).
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:53 No.955575

    I lol'd out loud.

    I meant to say "I wish I could hate to bald"


    Good stuff. I think we need people willing to play the polar opposite of the beautiful types to help balance it out. Bring more people back to a regular-looking fellow.

    I'll admit that I do a bit of a mary sue with my character, now that I think about it. My favorite characters in literature never hinged themselves on attractiveness. They weren't hideous, but they didn't go out of the way to make themselves seem pretty.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:53 No.955579
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    I love to bald people.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:54 No.955581
    Oddly enough, most of my characters tend to be on the uglier side of things. It's more fun playing someone who is admittly flawed so you don't spend the rest of the time trying to find new ways to make them put up that shallow facade of cool
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:56 No.955590
    my "beautiful" characters tend to resemble Used-Car salesmen more than anything. Lots of smiling and hand shaking
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:57 No.955593
    Holy dick I hate you already.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:58 No.955595

    My...my God.

    You roleplay Mitt Romney.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)14:58 No.955597
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    >I lol'd out loud.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:01 No.955606
    that's so awesome. It's like, the subversion of the beautiful people character! you're pretty, sure, but you're the kind of pretty that makes people feel creeped out or makes them wnat to bludgeon your face in for so goddamn perfect.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:01 No.955609
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    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:06 No.955629
    stan is now one of the standard NPCs bound to show up in every game I run.

    He's always trying to peddle some extremely faulty, and yet horribly overpriced merchandice on the PCs.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:08 No.955638
    Alright guys, I didn't play with this, but I was the main attacker in the argument as to why his idea was flat out retarded.

    "Level 40 Lawful Neutral Illithid Monk"

    And yes, he was dead serious....

    Main bulletpoints:
    + He had a boatload of templates, such as outsider, which he used to justify why he no longer wanted to eat brains.
    + His speed, after using handy dandy conversion charts, would top just a hair above Mach 1...
    + Had more HD than the Chessex Tub'o'Dice at the cons
    + Could use Mindflayer abilities at will, despite his eating habits, he could aslo possess the abilites of the Souleaters, despite never consuming a soul.
    +When confronted about "Lawl LN", he claimed that the mindflayer was able to simply up and leave the coven and live a life of neutralness. When proposed with the prospect that the other mindflayers would kill him on the first thought of betrayal (as Illithids both stop and start betrayals all the time), he said that he could shroud his thoughts so well even the Elder Brains couldn't sense it.
    +I didn't even address the fact he was a monk, that's how retarded it was.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:10 No.955640
    The prototypical character was originally a frankensteinian amalgamation of eroll flynn and the guy who sold me my first car.

    Romney's a bad example. I always get the vibe that he really doesn't want to be there. My character(s) honestly want to be there, fleecing you for everything you're worth.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:12 No.955654
    What would stats for Stan be?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:18 No.955663
    depends, what system?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:27 No.955688
    Does it matter in the larger perspective?
    >> MonkeyToho 12/31/07(Mon)15:35 No.955711
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    So...it's the guy on the left? Fucking hell, how do you live with yourself?
    >> Papa Bear 12/31/07(Mon)15:38 No.955722
    Alright alright, I've got one for you. Prince Drakonis - half dragon, half Saiyan. The true crown prince of the Saiyans, Drakonis was sent to DnD Earth for being too awesome because he would kill fully grown warriors as a baby. He spent his live trying to convince everyone he was a god and being emo.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:39 No.955723
    true, it really doesn't.

    But for stan, charisma is never going to be his strong stat. it would always be a little mediocre. What he does have though, is persistance and dogged sycophant like language. also, he NEVER gets upset, EVER. At least, he'll never show it to you.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:48 No.955746
    First DnD campaign I ever played. One of my best friends was playing too. I was rolling with a nonsensical but sorta generic halfling druid.

    My friend was playing... Karn Doomscar. The level 1 paladin who had defeated the king of the liches and taken his eye. The level 1 human paladin with ashy white hair and dark features, due to his very paladinly childhood on BAATOR. And, of course, the surname Doomscar was bestowed upon him by his enemies, from the years of slaughter he bestowed upon the evil forces of his home plane. Even though at the campaign start he was level 1. And the age of 19. A mighty warrior, his exploits in our first encounters involved dying horribly, and then his corpse being used as a battering ram for the rest of the night, except for right at the end, when we set him on fire. Because even if it was everybody's first game, that was fucking ridiculous and we still mock him for it, here maybe six years later.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:51 No.955760

    DnD needs a blind-stubborness stat above and beyond what ou can roleplay.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:51 No.955761
    Tiefling, who was made into a Construct by having mechanized clockwork funbits grafted onto his limbs, and torso. Cliche, amirite?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)15:59 No.955793
    I love playing as flawed characters, and in general so do gaming groups.

    It's refreshing to see someone play as some kind of bumbling fool, instead of a game turn into everybody trying to outbadass each other.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:05 No.955810
    I always like games where every player is a badass working together as a team. Last game I DMed, all the players were mighty killing machines of immense power.

    Of course, it was Darksun, so half them ended up dead by the end, but still.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:06 No.955817

    I remember someone trying to play kagome in a Middle Earth setting. She created a fictional japanese type of place within Middle Earth and added in some horrible mary-sue qualities to her character on top of just trying to insert the anime character from Inuyasha into fucking Middle Earth. Think there was some dragon blood in there.

    The weirdest thing is she was the real life wife to a guy who played this big, burly bearded norse-type of guy.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:28 No.955883
    lavishly and with other people's money
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:37 No.955899

    This reminds me of a guy I know and play with, surprisingly.. Minus the playing a mary-sue, but the personality traits seem to be pretty similar.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:43 No.955917
    Anyone here ever read Rhapsody, or its sequels?


    A:Lkho21i3u4;kj The main character is so beautiful that anyone and everyone who sees her falls head over heels in love with her. She's the best singer ever, and one of (If not the) best swordswoman ever, she's so goddamned arrogant, too. Since when any of her companions suggest to do anything, anything at all, that might happen to at some point conflict with her moral fiber, even if there's no possible way they could be wrong, she throws a temper tantrum that makes them eventually agree with her.

    Then she turns out to be right. Without fail. 100% of the time. The thing is that this happens in situations where that shouldn't even be possible.

    "I'm going to sing and heal for this group of orc people."

    "...Look, I'm from this race, and so is my friend. We both know that they hate it when you do that, because they prefer to suffer through their wounds and become stronger for it."

    "That's WRONG. And you're WRONG. Because People suffering and being hurt is WRONG. I'm going to keep singing and healing for them!"

    "... Fine, but don't blame me when they get upset with you."


    "... what the hell...?"

    And. God Damn it, I'm not even exaggerating, this is honestly how the whole book goes. It wouldn't be so bad if the writer didn't make all the other characters so perfectly fine and likeable, and the we have this hideously dislikeable main character. God. GOD.

    At least she gets raped repeatedly for a fortnight at some point before the first book begins.

    ... But of course, that's used later for "omg character develo-NO. NEVERMIND. STILL A WHINY BITCH WHO IS ALWAYS RIGHT BECAUSE THE WRITER SAID SO."
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:43 No.955919
    A human rogue with dragons in his ancestry, but gaining no positive effect from it. He was short, greedy, and physically unimposing. He had scaly elbows, but they didn't give him any statistical boost.

    A planetouched that was the product of a lesser demon and a strangely lascivious archon. He was ugly, brutish, and horribly self-righteous. He functioned like a human, minus the extra feats and skills.

    Anti-Sues are my passion.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:45 No.955927

    And this is why rape is wrong, gentlemen.

    It spawns mary sues. Please, think of your fellow fa/tg/uys before your next rape.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:49 No.955944
    /r/ rule 35 of orcs raping her while marveling at her musical screams.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:50 No.955949
    If I think of fa/tg/uys before raping, I'll just get distracted by my 4th Edition NERD RAAAAAAAAAGE and not do any raping!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)16:51 No.955951
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    I think we may have found you a competitor
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:00 No.955986
    epic level Sue
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:02 No.955996

    what the fuck is THAT
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:06 No.956001
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    >I think we may have found you a competitor
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:12 No.956025
    that was seriously the single most fucked up thing I'd ever read
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:15 No.956035


    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:20 No.956050
    Bleedman's PPG fan comic.

    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:21 No.956054

    oh goddammit i had no idea what i was getting myself into asking for this
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:26 No.956074
    welcome to hell
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:27 No.956077
    And you thought skubhammer was GRIM AND DARK
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:28 No.956079
    HA HA HA
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:33 No.956090

    at least there none of the characters do WTC
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:34 No.956093
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    Conan was the stereotypical shirtless barbarian, before it was a stereo type. He was smart, strong, wise, and yet still had the flaws of having too much pride, and being selfish for teh most part. He's not a mary-sue, because he was beaten and tricked all the time, and he was flawed.

    twice actually.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:35 No.956096
    In college there was this guy, Steve Hitchens. Big, Lobo/Wolverine fag. We were in animation together and he had this comic book character that he had been working on called 'Lynx'. Problem was, Lynx looked exactly like Wolverine. Except hen was an aboriginal Canadian. He was drawing his head rotation assignment and I saw it and asked if it was his character Lynx. He got pissed because it was supposed to be Wolverine. He actually did this attempt at scary look and stood up and said "walk away man...Just walk away." I did. Quietly snickering the whole time.

    But that wasn't his Mary Sue.

    No his Mary Sue was a barbarian with double bladed axes in each hand that were attached to his wrists by chains. When he went into his berserker rage, he would swing them both around on their chains and kill everything around him.

    Ah, Steve Hitchens. What a character. I should look him up on Facebook.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:39 No.956107
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    Lol Bleedman.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:42 No.956115



    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:53 No.956146
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    is it over?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)17:57 No.956160

    What the heck did I just see? Such abominations exist?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:06 No.956172
    counts as tau ethereal?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:08 No.956178
    Fuck you internet, fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:26 No.956225
    I'm the same.... When I am king short people will be forced to wear Cuban heels for a day a year just so they can see why doors having 6'6" as their architectural average height is a bad idea!

    I rp'd a 4'6" tall human once... The rest of the group were upset because I hadn't chosen the maximum human height as to increase my maximum jump height :/
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:26 No.956226
    Anyone else reminded of Chaucer's Canterbury tales, when the first one out is so good that everyone else just kind of tells stories about farting in peoples faces?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:31 No.956234
    I let people play a version of a Mary Sue for Paranoia, but in that case who really gives a shit, it's not like there's much interest in characters anyway.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:39 No.956250
    I was playing in a campaign with a group of friends I had known for a few years. Hell, they were even the ones who had gotten me into D&D. We were all friends, so we were all forgiving when someone had a bout of Mary Sueness or ego stroking, just letting it pass.

    Thus, I came upon the conclusion that I must roll Drizzt and troll the entire group. We started the campaign at level 5. I turned the character sheet over to the DM who's eyes crossed when he saw it. He immediately handed it to my girlfriend who looked it over and gave me a horrified look. I acted confused. After some awkward confusion they answered with "Ah, neat character, seems familiar for some reason though. Reminds me of someone..." I acted confused, pulled the "Well everything's been done before, right?" card.

    So we continue the campaign and it's going fine despite my Mary Sue character. We're roleplaying perfectly fine and I'm roleplaying Kelafein (which I revealed to the party later, proudly, that it meant "Legendary blood letter") to be Drizzt. Then I decide to kick it up a notch.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:39 No.956252
    As we progress through the levels I continue to manufacture my Drizzt clone. Every level brings it closer to becoming Drizzt and every level brings me to roleplaying the character as more self-righteous and perfect, taking risks only a Mary Sue would and being befuddled when I fail in the slightest, and dropping hints of my own Mary Sueism. I even roleplayed "lavender orbs" a few times. Now my entire party is growing fearful of the monster being created before them.

    I begin looking up multi-purpose quotes from the books and actually using them in roleplay. I answer questions of "how'd you think of the character?" with things like "Oh, I've had them for a long time, I finally decided to use them" and "I've done a few short stories with them before, I'm thinking about trying a novel". At this point I think my girlfriend and the rest of the group are planning an intervention. It's gone too far.

    At the beginning of the next campaign they finally intercede. The DM tries to "break it to me" that the character is "a lot" like Drizzt. Not a rip-off, not a clone, but simply "a lot" like him. I act angry and offended, then shit hits the fan. Everyone voices every complaint they have, a few are genuinely disgusted. I feign Mary Sueism through a 2 hour conversation, including my final acceptance that I am a Mary Sue and even asking how the character can be "made more original" or "improved upon" because they're oh-so-important to me.

    Then I start laughing manically. The entire group is confused, then it dawns on them. The next few hours were them yelling at me and me unable to answer because I'm laughing so hard. The next session I, of course, rerolled. The DM now pours over every character I make to ensure that it's not another attempt at this and I am constantly pitched shit on it. Each one claims a neverending "you owe me" supply because of it. I didn't get laid for a week.

    It was so worth it.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:46 No.956276
    thread saved!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)18:50 No.956287
    the only time that that would even work is in straight games and everyone knows the best paranoia game is the one where the most cautious member of the team gets through the briefing with a threepack left
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)19:03 No.956329

    Oh god, I am now.


    My all time favorite character was a rogue who had higher charisma then he had dexterity. He was a con man of epic proportions. Forgery still remains one of my favorite skills to this day because of that character.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)19:57 No.956539
    Vertigo Bonn:

    part conan, part raistlin, this white-haired dragon-riding hourglass-eyed intelligent sword wielding act of marysuism faggotry was the worst I've ever seen.

    thank god it was only a DMPC and not, like, and actual character.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)19:58 No.956546
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)19:59 No.956549

    Oh, I forgot to mention how we spent half the campaign trying to kill this "ally" but the dm kept "rocks fall you die"ing us.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)20:01 No.956559
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    I played Sailor Moon. Beat that, you faggots.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)20:24 No.956691
    >it smelled fishy

    Oh damn, that is funny.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)21:29 No.957010
    I've seen a lot of May-sue's, few ever got into a D&D game.

    Looking back on the most successful game my group has ever had though I remember one character having a DM-created class made for him that basically gave him the casting of a wizard/cleric and an army of Sliver animal companions (the DMs favorite MTG race). Luckily for us the game was archived soon after 3.5 came out and my rogue was spared from becoming an Artemis Entreri rip-off, only receiving a minor "you have obtained a life-stealing dagger".
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)21:44 No.957065
    Stepping to the party late, I have decided to unveil what I think is the winner (loser) of this competition. No offence to the player of the character if he reads this, but goddamn.

    Okay, sci-fi using D20 setting.

    The player's character was an android. No problems there right? Well this was an android made by a long dead race of people, who might I add were elves. Before their planet exploded they were attempting to transfer a coma patient into the robot body, but something went wrong and later on it had a split personality problem. Mostly made of nanomachines it could inevitably not be destroyed by anything, but would randomly (whenever the player decided to) shut down. These nanomachines allowed her to switch to looking like an elf whenever she felt like taking the spotlight.

    Our GM was easily manipulated, poor bastard.

    She also had a set of those ring-weapon things Xena The Warrior Princess had, hidden in her LEGS to be drawn at will.

    As the games went on she developed a love of anime (which somehow ended up in this universe because again, the GM was easy to push around) and a pair of angel and devil holograms that annoyed everyone. This stuff would get whipped out without any prior consultation of ANYONE.

    Inevitably, after swinging for every male character in the group (and locking a claustrophobic character in his room with her demanding he profess his love to her) she hooked up with an NPC who had been the victim of a religious schism's punishment with his vocal chords and mouth ruined. She used her nanobots to heal him and pretty much ruined the character's premise, and tried to commit suicide by drowning WHEN SHE DOESN'T BREATH.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)21:48 No.957078
    Inevitably, the character was retired in favour of a better one, but when the GM ran a group set in the farther future of the universe the character cropped up again as the head priestess of a group devoted to worshipping nature. This was after she apparently got bored of being a famous singer and whatnot and living for a few centuries. She had changed her appearance too, and ended up violating the tenets of the very religion she allegedly founded so hard the group disbanded and rebooted without the player (who by this point vanished after his other character in another game was killed after ruining a carefully planned mission by blabbing).
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)21:57 No.957094
    And... the player was male...?
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:03 No.957110
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    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:11 No.957126
    Oh god.
    Slivers are the worst thing ever.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:34 No.957162
    While I never once played in a campaign with this guy, this character is... Ridiculous.

    'Nekromorte Arcan' I shit you not.

    This character is an anthromorphic cat lich. He was so powerful that at one stage he went crazy and deluded himself into thinking he was Death then proceeded to kill Death and take his place for a few millennia increasing his power exponentially and gaining an army of undead-everything-that-ever-died.

    After a while he had his ass kicked by some intergalactic vampire demon and became repentant, 'sealing away the power that corrupted him' with a sigil on his forehead.

    So he has an all powerful lich/sorceror furry, he has command over all magic but 'holy' magic and can more or less cast anything at will, when he doesn't feel like fighting with magic he has a vampiric scythe and three knives that he wields in both hands and with his tail. His girlfriend is an epic level drow priestess and in one of the books his player wrote about him he went and redeemed his twin brother, anthromorphic white cat paladin who naturally needed redeeming as he's lawful.

    I really don't think I can do this level of mary sueness justice but you get the idea
    >> Furonymus Bosch 12/31/07(Mon)22:40 No.957170
    Welcome to every freeform RP involving furries ever.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:43 No.957177
    Yes, he was male.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:43 No.957180
    I think I hate you just for posting that, and being witness to it.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:47 No.957186
    I should probably add her 'blood' was silver too.

    I don't know what went wrong, the player was such a nice guy but he had... THAT inside him like some sort of horrible cancer. The poor guy.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:47 No.957187
    Judging by the OP's premise of a "Mary-sue", Cthulhu and any of the Old Ones fit the requirements rather well.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)22:50 No.957193
    Explain yourself.
    >> Furonymus Bosch 12/31/07(Mon)22:51 No.957195
    7/10. Had me going for a moment there.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)23:08 No.957228
    Reminds me of that horrendous abomination (even for a Great Old One) Kthanid by Brian Lumley.
    Cthulhus brother who looks like Cthulhu but has golden eyes and was good.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)23:10 No.957232
    saw this thread last night but was too lazy to post this.


    find out how mary sue your character really is.
    >> Furonymus Bosch 12/31/07(Mon)23:11 No.957237
    Elder Gods are far from good... If they're being written correctly; ie not giving a flying fuck about humanity and our inevitable destruction and being opposed to the Outer Gods only, not nasty mythos beings in general.
    If they aren't, then shit sux.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)23:51 No.957302
    This was a DM's NPC for a 2 week long campaign. DM at the time was a girl named Ashley, a nice person and with good scenario ideas and a fair DM, but also loved Mary-sue characters.

    Campaign was a NG City adventure and the main premise was to neutralise a negative energy cannon aimed at a large metropolis near the city. We were in the middle at the time and had gathered enough information that we knew the cannon was in the Palace tower.

    Making our way to the Inn to rest up, a gang of thugs attack us. We get beaten up until TA'DA enters Ashley’s new NPC to save the day.

    The basic description from what I recall

    Name - Tsiel'Orwen Les'ill [ but uses pseudonym "Avenger" ]
    Race - Half drow half Nymph
    Age - 52 in Elf years [ Looks 18 ish ]
    Class - Psionic Monk
    Abilities - Everything a Drow, Nymph, Psion and Monk have[ Charm person, 120 ft Dark vision, Stunning fist, Telekineses etc etc ]
    Description - Nymph with black skin, white hair and pink eyes. Don’t forget the battle scars, tattoos revealing clothing and "Thin but not anorexic"
    Backstory - Product of Nymph/Drow fucking. Moved to city and became a goody two shoe vigilante too avenge parents death by criminals. Got Psionic powers by some magical artefact and trained self in Monk skills.
    Personality - Innocent, kinds, chirpy and spontaneous. Also a great singer and dancer

    >> Anonymous 12/31/07(Mon)23:52 No.957303

    She travels with us for two irritating IRL days doing Mary sue things like saving cats from trees and feeding orphans, until the DM decided to redeem herself by making her NPC turn on us. Tsiel'Orwen Les'ill became so appalled with the manner in which the Neutral characters of the group acted and how the good characters failed to convert them to their good ways. Seeing it good to do so, she tried to destroy the Neutral characters so the campaign would not be tainted with their fence sitting nature.

    Tsiel'Orwen Les'ill was then promptly slaughter, with the help of a blackguard. He would prove to be very helpful later in the campaign.

    Part of me thinks that the DM made Tsiel'Orwen Les'ill, not to be a Mary sue, but as a plot device
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:03 No.957313
    Fuuuuuuck. I just redid this for my DMPC, who has changed since they first met him and have started hating him recently as i have involved more and more of his past.

    got a 56 on that test, doing part one and four (i think thats how its supposed to do it) and it says i should kill it dead.

    So tell me /tg/, to save my campaign, how should i kill off my DMPC? allow my characters to kill him? get him killed by a large monster? the bbeg?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:12 No.957333
    It would be most satisfiing to the players and least Mary Sueish to have the NPC choke on a potato chip or something equity embracing.

    Or just let the PCs go nuts.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:13 No.957336
    gotcha, he will choke on a chicken bone. thanks /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:14 No.957340
    Have a tree randomly fall down and crush him.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:15 No.957343
    In my last campaign I had my PCs escorted by a DMPC that was the representative of a city - the PCs were contract workers sent out to clear an orc infestation prior to a road building, and he was sent to make sure things got done.

    Name: Michael Dukakis
    Race: Human
    Class: Bard

    The PCs killed him after he started giving them a speech on welfare reform, that I spent a half hour writing.
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    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:44 No.957398
    You know what's sad? I know this game, I was a character in this, and damn now I feel old. I am glad he grew out of this /for the most part/.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:51 No.957408

    Did you ride around on an armored horse to bolster your votes for the candidacy of Mayor of the City?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:52 No.957410
    Back when I was 10 I was a furry, I had a Sonic the Hedgehog character that I wrote fanfics about. Of course I didn't know what a furry really was back then.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:55 No.957417
    A mast is fine too
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)00:59 No.957427
    31 on the test. Some of the questions were very valid, but some others were complete bullshit, at least for me.

    Of course I'm going to write about my character poetically if my writing style is poetic for all characters. I like to write that way as it helps make things vivid, and I see no reason why I should dumb it down into 'he is brown haired and brown eyed and brown skinned'.

    Another being
    >>Did you choose your character's occupation and/or hobbies because you think they sound neat, glamorous, prestigious, or exciting?

    Would you choose a character's occupation because you find it boring, uninteresting, or mundane?

    Maybe I'm being a little bit defensive, but while questions involving superpowered-ness or anime style bullshit are good, some of these make me think the anti-sue crowd can be as far off as the mary sues.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:03 No.957441
    apparently you forgot to read a part of the instructions

    >Answer all questions for which the answer is 'yes' or 'technically yes' UNLESS the item mentioned is normal for the universe - you know, everyday, ordinary stuff. If most people in a story's world have wings and fly, skip the question about flying. If it's normal for characters to have technicolor hair (like in a lot of anime), then pink coifs don't count as unusually-colored hair. If your character had an exotic name because you make up everyone's names, you would not answer yes to having an unusual-sounding name that you made up. Sue-ness is relative. ;)
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:06 No.957449

    Disregard that, I suck cocks then. :3
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:08 No.957454
    >Another being
    >>>Did you choose your character's occupation and/or hobbies because you think they sound neat, glamorous, prestigious, or exciting?

    also, for this part, its a little weird wording, but basically its like "MY CHARACTER SKY DIVES BECAUSE IT SOUNDS COOL" not "My character Sky dives because it was his lifelong dream."

    the question is basically asking do they just do their awesome thing just to have bragging rights that they do it or not.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:09 No.957460
    Don't worry about it, when i first found this site i did all 4 parts without reading the instructions and got all nerdragy over it when i scored over 100.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:18 No.957487

    I got 11.

    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:18 No.957489
    decided to go with this one, we are actually doing a game all throughout new years.

    They were walking through a decaying forest on their way to the bbeg's castle where he would then tell them the plan to beat him (he was actually going to lure them into a trap)

    Samuel Saddence opened his satchel at his side, pulling out a glass bottle filled with a fizzy liquid. he pulled the metal cap off of it, and took a long swig of the liquid.

    He exclaims warmly, "Ah, Mango Juice!"

    Suddenly, a large decaying tree nearby snaps, falling down on poor Samuel, killing him instantly.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:25 No.957513
    Hahaha my level 20 fighter Tycho Celchu got a 16, I must have fucking taken that test wrong.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:36 No.957558
    I got a 2. Neat.
    >> Lord Licorice 01/01/08(Tue)01:36 No.957559

    "Ahh, mango juice": the new "rocks fall". I like it.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:37 No.957567

    Did you answer the question about being bald or not?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:41 No.957585
    I see what you did there.
    Also he has yellow hair kinda like straw color I guess. Is that a color?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:47 No.957606
    WHFRP is so awsome, in that excluding DM involvement you find avoiding Mary Sues much simpler.

    On another note as a new RPer I find avoiding this whole mary Sue stereotype difficult. Somebody with too simple a storyline with no depth is a Mary Sue, somebody too deep is a Mary Sue. If my idea isn't original enough it's a Mary Sue idea :< it's a hard hard world of RP.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)01:49 No.957616
    Honestly, go with what you like. So long as it doesn't ruin other people's fun it's fine.
    >> SMAP 01/01/08(Tue)01:55 No.957633
    The essense of the Mary Sue isn't deep/simple or anything like that; those are merely symptoms indicitive of the problem. The REAL clue-in to Mary Sues is their perfection: everything they do is wonderful and they are universally adored; anyone who doesn't adore them is portrayed as horribly evil.

    Basically, wish-fufillment in its basest form.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)02:06 No.957666

    Wouldn't that depend on your wishes? What if your ultimate goal in life was to be Rygel from Farscape and your character was a fantasy world representation of Rygel. HOW COULD RYGEL NOT BE AWESOME!
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)02:17 No.957701
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    The God Emperor of Mankind scored a 131 by my reckoning. Too bad Horus beat us to it.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)02:20 No.957717
    I would argue that someone with a simple storyline is actually less likely to be a mary sue than someone with a crapton back story to them. simple stories mean you're willing to let the adventuring build your character's story for you. (you know, the actual GAMING portions of the story)
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)02:39 No.957765

    I'm not sure what you meant by simple, if you mean not so thought out or its generally just over-explained such as "Kain lived in the Valkyrie Castle, Heavens Door, since he was a young child and was raised by the great dragon RavenMarrowBlood who was the 50 year hero. He dual wields two enchanted and magical katanas that can turn into any weapon because Thor sewed them together out of the skin of Odin. But at the age of 7 his father was killed and he was maimed by having his arm cut off so RavenMarrowBlood gave him his arm and made him half dragon, he is now 19 and dark and mysterious. he travels alone and angered by his most hated brother rival who causes Bars to twist into dark alcoves and corners for me to sit in, and inspires a ton of skilled mercenaries to rape a waitress so I can kick them around when I walk inside."

    And finding yourself during the adventure is much better than already being made up and grudging through your already made story, unless thats what you really want to happen.

    I think a lot of people really do just put too much of themselves into the character. They want to be the fucker too much, they should remember they're just normal fucks in a fucked up world where it was a bit easier to change things. These days you try to save the world from an evil empire you'll be brought down in moments by a nearly broken system of satellites.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)04:24 No.958002
    I ran my campaign's BBEG through the Mary Sue test and scored 46.

    I guess it doesn't really count if he's the end-all-be-all evil boss-guy at the end of the tunnel, does it?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)05:41 No.958171
    Alright, first I'll build up the setting. It is a school for assassins, and a free form RP. The general rules were that it was based in a modern RL settings, and that characters could only be trained in one weapon.

    This guy was one of the people who came up with the 'setting,' and was friends with the girl who first submitted it. His character was described as "super lazy, always sleeping, but very fast and very smart when he's serious."

    ...Mmkay. Workable so far, despite being named after himself.

    Well, a little into the RP, he ends up being EVERYWHERE. This RP was on a forum, and if anything happened anywhere, he was either participating or watching or sleeping nearby.

    He constantly used the phrase "a wonder to behold" he talking about his character's leg strength or his cleverness. His 'laziness' somehow gave him an excuse to be EVERYWHERE, usually by sleeping in nearby trees. I kid you not, he even started a topic in which he played entire games of chess against himself in a sort of 'time attack' mode, and kept hitting a little timer at around 10-15 seconds for each game.

    When it finally gets to the combat aspect of things in the RP, he decides he can cover 80 feet in less than a second, so the gunsman he faced could not aim properly to target him.

    We all eventually snapped on him when, during a mission to capture a kidnapper, the party cornered him in a small, narrow cave-like passageway. The ceiling was low, and the walls were narrow - he had escaped there to prevent sword-swinging and non-stabby weapons. This guy hangs in back until immediately after one of the other characters attacks, then he somehow axe-kicks the guy in the head. GM-verdict - the man's neck snapped. His response:

    "Nono, I calibrated the kick just right to pinch a nerve. He's alive, just unable to move or respond."

    We all sort of chewed him out for everything after that, and we'd BEEN chewing him out for a lot of it before that too.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)05:50 No.958195

    I hope you buried him deep.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)05:51 No.958201
    it still counts, but all it basically means is your bad guy is as generic as other bad guys.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)05:56 No.958210
    thats the horrible thing about forum rping, no real way to fucking regulate power.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)05:57 No.958218
    This is part "Noooo!", part "Hell noooo!" and part "HELL FUCKING NO!", yet I cannot stop reading...
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:00 No.958225

    Not deep enough. He shows up from time to time, but its been a few months, so we think we're okay.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:01 No.958232
    call me a /v/irgin, but i just want to see drizzt whispering CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL into the childs ear.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:12 No.958252
    This is a character sheet for the GMPC in a recent RPG. The character sheets even had a slot for how we felt about her.

    Name: Silve (pronounced Sihl-veh)
    Combat Class: n/a, Silve does not participate in combat
    Society Class: Diplomat. Silve is the face of the party, also often acting as a messenger or discussion leader. She is also known to perform any other jobs if necessary.
    Mage: Yes. However, she performs her magic rarely and, strangely, does not seem to be afflicted by the same curse as all other mages of the area. She also can use her magic for healing, a very rare gift. Because of these two things, some people see her as a sort of messianic figure, although she refuses to think of herself as such.
    Physical Description: Silve is slender and pale, with long platinum hair and pale green eyes. She is perpetually cold, even in the warm air of the south, so she often dresses in thick, warm robes and furs. Although she is typically found sitting or hunched over, when she stands straight, she is very tall and has an almost regal appearance.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:12 No.958253
    Personality & Background: Silve is normally quiet and meek, but can become passionate and loud when discussion things she has strong opinions about. She is incredibly charismatic and well-liked (after all, you’re following her, aren’t you?), and has a voracious appetite for her size. Not much is known about her background, except that she came from the north and appears to have no tribal connections. It is a common rumor in the party that she may be from the same lands up north that the first mages traveled from, although she doesn’t like to talk about it. She has been traveling south with the intention of uniting the territory under common rule. “And if no one else wants to take the job for the right reasons, I’m more than willing to step up and do it myself!”
    Strengths: Eating, getting along with people, swimming
    Weaknesses: Physical violence, cold weather
    Connection with Silve: ...
    Personal Relationships with PCs: TBD
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:14 No.958254

    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:14 No.958255
    As long as you're willing to let the PCs beat them, I think it's OK. The Mary-Sue-ness is likely to make the PCs hate them more anyway.

    Oh yeah. A Lawful Good Ninja in an Al Qadim campaign was probably the Mary Sue-ist PC I've come across.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:17 No.958265
    damn man..
    that's just
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:21 No.958271
    The RPG's backstory involved "The usefulness of magic made these mages a powerful commodity, sparking another series of wars all along the south. Mages were kidnapped and bred as workhorses, sparking a terrible progression of slavery. After many generations of such unchecked barbarism, enough mages were born and passed throughout the countryside to all the various tribes, effectively ending the worst of the oppression. However, mages were (and still are) subject to discrimination and practiced constant vigilance, always on the look out for rogue bands of slavers."
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:24 No.958279
    >Silve is normally quiet and meek, but can become passionate and loud when discussion things she has strong opinions about.

    See, that's a personal pet hate of mine when someone mentions that. I feel it's one of the most common trappings of characters. Having a character that's meek suddenly burst out with strong feelings generally has more impact when you haven't written down that they're going to damn well do it.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:26 No.958286

    Some of that is crap, like:

    "Does your character have a rebellious side that tends to get him/her in trouble with authority on a semi-regular basis?"

    Well, I often play Chaotic characters so....
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:27 No.958289
    Umm... Mages? What was stopping fiery death from destroying the slavers?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:29 No.958291
    This whole bloody thing is inherently broken. /tg/ has overused the term 'Mary Sue' so much that it no longer even has a meaning here.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:30 No.958294
    Except it's being used more often than not correctly in this thread. There'll always be incorrect usages, but at least it's not "YOUR CHARACTER HAS A SWORD? MARY SUE".

    It's more "Your character is the long lost dragon king's son but is half goat?!"
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:30 No.958295
    Mages got "sleepy" when using their powers too much.

    ...And if they stopped using their powers for too long, they exploded.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:31 No.958296
    protip: chaotic (particularly chaotic evil) characters are often overplayed.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:35 No.958301

    ...I love this idea. EXPLODING WIZARDS FOR EVERYONE!!! I think they'd make awesome terrorists.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:37 No.958305
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:56 No.958339
    Everyone enjoys being a selfish bastard, and you know it.

    That's why MMO RPGs work so well. Kill beasties = ??? = Profit.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)06:59 No.958347
    i dont play chaotic as self centered, thats more evil than anything.

    i usually play chaotic neutral as a person who will do anything for amusement (on an extreme end) either for them or for others

    in a more 4chan sense, doing it for the lulz.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)07:07 No.958363
    This shit needs to be archived so that we have a comprehensive list to examine for all time.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)07:14 No.958384
    Well played sir, well played. It takes a special kind of asshole to run a senseless con on their friends for months at a time, with nothing to possibly gain from it. You are the kind of asshole I aspire to be.

    I got a six on the test.
    The first game I was in was Exalted. The game sets you up as demigods with golden eyes and super skills and shit, so some of that is taken as read. But players still manage to sneak shit it. The Night Caste named Maverick Hunter (first and last name, like 'Joe Smith,' fuck me) had monkey tail, familiar for no reason, and was a trenchcoat katana badass. The player of the Dawn Caste, Guardian, frequently described himself as 'glowing with the glory of the sun' and at least once per session would refer to his character as 'just' or something else pertaining to justice.
    Those two guys kind of ruined it for me, so nowadays I usually gimp my characters intentionally in some way and make a special note of avoiding Suism during chargen.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/08(Tue)07:59 No.958462
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    My character got 28, but I dunno about some of those questions.

    Since she's a sorcerer, and only discovered this in her late teens, that does make her a magically enhanced being with new powers, and she was happier that way. Besides which she's picked up various magical blessings and enhancements over the course of the game, so there's no real dodging that one.

    She has a unique magical item, but it's just some lethal artifact ring that no living being can wear - she looted it from a vampire that ironically (given the example in the followup question) was protected from sunlight by it.

    And it's hardly my fault her weapon is unusually ornate. I was happy with my plain looking keen sword, but you don't ignore a holy weapon when you loot it, no matter how grossly stylised it looks.

    Being a high level Gish also seemed to give her disproportionate Sue points, just because it's an uncommon archetype in the setting, and she's technically among the best fighters and the best mages around.

    Also, she's a paladin. She can't help being charismatic if she wants to have those awesome saving throws!

    I take full responsibility for her dead husband and son in the background, I guess.

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