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    220 KB Planes and Mercs XVIII Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:15 No.8962834  
    Hi guys. Steve got back from somewhere last night, apologizing that he left on short notice. He did send me this, I figurd you guys would want to see it.

    BlackFlag External Document #100357

    Mission Briefing “Granite Fulcrum”
    Source: FSB (Russian Federal Security Service)
    Deployment: Gyandzha (Azerbaijan)
    Pancake: Gyandzha (Azerbaijan)
    Alternate: Nakhichevan (Azerbaijan)
    AAR: None
    AWACS: None
    CSAR: Spetznaz Team Omni, detached from Vympel (Vega Group)

    Contract Employer: Russian Federation

    Objective: Destruction of Khrami hydroelectric station #2.
    >> op again 04/03/10(Sat)22:16 No.8962853
    My name is Sergei, my rank and title are unimportant. I have been tasked by the FSB to act as a liaison between your squadron and Central command. While unorthodox, central command believes that hiring “Hell's Black Aces” to perform the initial stages of our ongoing Georgia operation will significantly enhance the Maskirovka we are aiming to produce. You will be informed of your missions by me, and me alone. Ongoing operations in theatre will not be discussed with you, unless required. Adherence to operational security protocols is essential, from this point forward assume everything you say is monitored. Should you be captured, the Russian Federation will deny all knowledge of you and your actions. Failure to comply with the regulations outlined in the documents before you, as well as the instructions of your liaison officer, will be considered an act of treason while you are operating under contract to the FSB and the Russian Federation. Understood? Good. Your first assignment is simple. Take out the Khrami hydroelectric station. This is the first step in the Maskirovka. We have prepared special air dropped munitions, built with low-grade explosives designed to simulate a typical IED or saboteur strike. We believe that dropped in sufficient quantity, they will adequately cripple power production while being untraceable. You will be operating out of Azerbaijan, which has provided and airfield for your use throughout the duration of this campaign. Our aim is to ensure the world community believes that an internal faction is beginning terrorist acts as a precursor to civil war. It is of utmost importance that the Russian Federation not be involved in these initial operations, and as such, any penetration of Russian Sovereign Airspace will be considered penetration by hostile forces, and Air Defense will respond accordingly.
    >> op again 04/03/10(Sat)22:17 No.8962868
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    HUMINT: None.
    ELINT: None.
    SATINT: Yantar-4 pass and Bars confirmation shows the hydroelectric station is located in the depths of the Khrami river valley. While no obvious defensive stations are present, the area surrounding the complex is heavily wooded, providing cover for mobile air defense. We are still going over the radar imaging data, but current analysis has not located defensive positions or equipment.
    Air Assets: Unknown
    Surface Assets: Unknown

    Threat Assessment: Medium-Low. The Georgians are still reeling from their conflict with the Russian Federation. The morale of their military forces is at an all time low, and their air-defense forces are in shambles. Maintain a stealthy approach, and we believe you will be able to slip in and out with minimal risk.

    ROE: Do not fire unless fired upon, or if operational security would be compromised.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:19 No.8962913
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    Oh sweet jesus, I thought you had left us op! Thank god you are back, tg will not suck tonight!

    For those confused:
    TL:DR: Mercenary Air RPG (Area 88) in Africa, GM is a God, Missions are Fuck Brilliant, Execution of Missions is Barrel of Monkeys Fun. Planefaggotry is everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:19 No.8962918
    >ROE: Do not fire unless fired upon, or if operational security would be compromised.
    That'S a nice way of saying 'shoot them if you want'
    OpSec being compromised could well be interpreted as 'someone saw the planes'. . .
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:23 No.8962982

    So, you took the Russian job... This will be interesting.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:24 No.8963003
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    >tg will not suck tonight!

    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:25 No.8963015
    I concur.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:26 No.8963033
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    Jester, you forgot the 1d4 link.

    >> op again 04/03/10(Sat)22:33 No.8963152
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    Yeah, that is how I am reading it as well. I think that it means we can shoot stuff that sees us, but doesn't fire at us. Kill them before they can shout sort of thing.

    Also, thank you for whoever drew that really cool picture. Do you think you could do our squadron logo too?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:37 No.8963195
    We have no clue who drew that photo.

    So who is replacing Biscuit?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:39 No.8963228
    Who is Steve?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:40 No.8963240
    If you fly low and slow through valleys and mountains, you are basically begging for a FlaK or MANPADS trap.

    The really bad news is that the defenders can use cellphones or satphones to coordinate, and you will never know they did.

    Playing devil's advocate here, I know.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:41 No.8963257
    I'm thinking this is a definite "dead of night" mission, to reduce visual spotting as much as possible. Does anyone have a night sat photo of Georgia? We can plot around most lighted/populated areas that way.

    This mission smells too much like a cakewalk.
    >> planefag 04/03/10(Sat)22:42 No.8963270
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    Easter Holiday has /tg/ flooded with stupid children cranking their derp up to maximum power and into the breach rides OP AGAIN!

    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:43 No.8963280
    Hey, it's back. And you guys finally choose a squadron name to boot.

    So decided to go with the Russians. Seems they are interested in Georgia again, no surprise there.On the up side, opposition should be fairly light for this mission. On the other hand, I do not like the almost complete lack of intel available.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:44 No.8963292
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    >complete lack of intel

    >Russians employing

    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/03/10(Sat)22:46 No.8963333
    I've been lurking, was about to go paint, and this thread pops up. DAMMIT I ALMOST CAME! So much shit on /tg/ and just as I'm giving up on awesome threads, Op resurfaces!

    >almost complete lack of intel available
    I think that's the point, sounds like typical security for any ex east bloc op. The mercenaries are cutouts, the less they know, the less that a Georgian torturer could get out of them.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:47 No.8963340
    So has biscuit's player rolled up a new character yet?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:48 No.8963352
    Asking for intel is intellectual and elitist.

    Are you an intellectual elitist, comrade?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:50 No.8963386
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    No, no, that's a thing of the past. Glasnost and all that, eh?

    The Soviet Union is dead and gone. Communism is a thing of the past, and KGB assassinations never happen anymore.

    >> teka 04/03/10(Sat)23:02 No.8963555
    >KGB assassinations never happen
    these days putin does them all personally. everyone needs a hobby.

    So.. operation fly slowly down into a valley without any intel and hoping that they just dont notice you.

    wacky fun.
    any chance to buy intel, from any useable source?
    i mean, really. send a guy in a tour van down the road toward the station taking photos out every window, anything?

    and what friend sergei is not telling you.. the power generation facilities were just converted into the Georgian War Orphan Home and Theme Park. collateral damage is not a problem, is it comrade?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:04 No.8963577
    >collateral damage is not a problem, is it comrade?

    For this squadron? I don't think dropping the bombs directly on the orphanage would be a problem
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:09 No.8963661
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:14 No.8963755
    They wouldn't even flinch. Or perhaps they'd consider it boring and unimaginative. These guys' first mission in africa included letting the air out of the rubbers of every bicycle in some podunk mudhut village. They did it with missiles, of course.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:15 No.8963769
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    Woo new planes and mercs!
    >> op again 04/03/10(Sat)23:21 No.8963868
    The new pilot is a 45 year old Canadian called Keith "Judge" Buhay. Because he was transferred in, he got the Russian arms deal, and is waiting for delivery of a MiG-29.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:23 No.8963897
    Hmm, not bad if he is staying with the AA/secondary multirole position.
    >> teka 04/03/10(Sat)23:23 No.8963906
    Not to call the Black Hats war criminals. The Hague will do that enough.. silly silly hague.

    google is a bit unhelpful when it comes to tracking down the target, at least for me.

    side note: do you think some Georgian intelligence electronic system is pinging like mad right now? all these mysterious people around the world looking for information on a hydroelectric facility and the region around it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:27 No.8963986
    Maybe some highschoolers are doing a research paper on modernized power generation in former soviet republics?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:30 No.8964035
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    I love this picture soo much.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:32 No.8964089
    I'll start shitting bricks if I hear about an explosion in a Georgian hydroelectric plant sometime next week.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:33 No.8964095
    Yep. Of course, they've been pinging nonstop since they were established. When you live next to Russia, and they smell your weakness, paranoia comes naturally.

    The beauty of it is that even if the PC's were caught, Russian officials would make the whole thing go away as propaganda or provocation. Without offering any proof on the contrary whatsoever too, just because there's not a country as willing to go for nuclear chicken races on earth.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:33 No.8964098
    some americans
    some british
    some aussies
    some kiwis

    quite a selection of people you have there
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:37 No.8964167
    It's a very big high school.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:40 No.8964217


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    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:41 No.8964227
    so what is this GOOGLEINT?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:42 No.8964261
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    Steve was gone for a week and a bit, same time as OP...

    Checking google news, subsection "Africa"

    I honestly do wonder if the real-world side of these things bleeds over to intelligence agencies. Like you said, how many people on a given day search for hydro plants in Georgia? How many are doing it right now? And from how many distributed locations?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:43 No.8964276

    Gotta love GOOGINT.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:44 No.8964285
    It's cheap and effective.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:45 No.8964304

    What does your squad icon look like anyways?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:45 No.8964305
    I dunno, man. After >>8963555's mention of everyone needing a hobby, I started to wonder whether OP's GM is actually Putin in disguise.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:45 No.8964313
    That would be far too awesome to be real.

    But just crazy enough to work.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:49 No.8964358
    He'd have proposed to Sukhoi by now.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:49 No.8964366
    Putin's too busy hunting terrorists now.

    Speaking of which, those Islamic militants are FUCKED.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/03/10(Sat)23:49 No.8964374
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    That... is the single most awesome thought to come from /tg/ this year.
    >> op again 04/03/10(Sat)23:50 No.8964382
    We don't know, we we're thinking like a card ace of spades symbol, on fire, maybe with a sword vertically on it. We've doodled around, but we aren't great at drawing.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:51 No.8964397

    It's the dam, comrade!

    It appears to be near the small town of Imeni Molotova. Google for that, then go right. Also, the 'Terrain' feature is bloody useful here.

    I found it using the small town of Bediani - it's on the steep sides of the same gorge, so I just followed the river until I found something that appeared to be a hydroelectric dam. Which is what that is.

    If you look, there are three pipes which appear to drop 400m in 400m - that's plenty for a hydroelectric plant built in 1947. They're probably a viable target, but the structure at the bottom is the one with the real business in it, with two (or more) turbines.

    I'm curious about the munitions - if they can be delivered at speed, it might be possible for HELL'S BLACK ACES to drop them through the walls/windows of the turbine house - it'd appear to be the work of an explosion inside then...

    You'll also note the access road is a switchback and a half - I know it to be possible to duct tape parts of a GAZ or other local truck to the underside of an F-4, but how accurately they could be delivered I'm not certain - however, one of the first indicators of the use of a truck bomb is the presence of parts of a truck.

    What's the carrying capacity of an F-111?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:52 No.8964411
    Why must Putin be so awesome? It makes make feel ashamed for the leadership of my country ;_;
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:53 No.8964425
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    Sergei, you say?
    Wonder where he got that from.
    Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:53 No.8964434
    Are you proposing the duct tape a truck to a plane and drop it?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:54 No.8964449
    Somehow, the thought of op's party dropping bombs and soviet truck parts on a hydro plant is hilarious. I keep seeing a shower of truck wheels, axles and bolts, peppered with explosions.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:55 No.8964460
    My guess is that 'Sergei' is a fake name. No good field officer uses their real name.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:56 No.8964484
    The carrying capacity of an F-111?

    Everything. EVERYTHING.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:56 No.8964487

    >Armament capacity: 31,500 lb (14,300 kg)


    >Curb weight 4,300 kg (9,500 lb)


    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/03/10(Sat)23:57 No.8964501

    Give me a few minutes in photoshop OP, I'll see what I can do.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:57 No.8964508
    The good news is the georgian air force has little to no air superiority ability. The bad news is they do have quite a bit in the way of sams and aa guns , as well as a healthy dollop of (justifiable) paranoia.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:57 No.8964510
    >first indicators of the use of a truck bomb is the presence of parts of a truck.

    made my day, thanks anon
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:58 No.8964533
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    >Aardvark can carry several trucks' weight of explodey stuff.

    "Trucks? Okay. Strap one on each wing, and one from the hull. Oh, fill them with semtex while you're at it, plenty of weight to spare."
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:59 No.8964547
    No comrade. That way lies madness.

    I am proposing that they drop the PARTS of a truck, admittedly, all of them, onto the bridge. While those parts are wrapped around a bomb or two.

    >> teka 04/04/10(Sun)00:00 No.8964559
    perhaps simply chunks of steel that still have serial plates or registration codes. that way when they are combing through the blast there will be something to base the investigation around. iirc the biggest scraps of evidence in the OK-city bombing was two or three twisted bits of steel the size of a forearm.

    of course, it is possible we are overthinking this.
    "ok, i got it. we get a silent russian chopper, and hang a big truck Under that, and fill the truck with bombs.. then we drag the truck down the road, smash through the gate and tow it into the powerhouse to blow up... its foolproof."
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:02 No.8964595

    Best plan ever!
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:05 No.8964643
    I think Laser Guided Trucks would be cooler... Might affect aircraft performance though.

    As to the facility, does anyone have a link to sat imagery? And how fucking spooky is it that we can get sat imagery to do this?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:06 No.8964655

    It is nothing comrade.I am reminded of that bit in Clear And Present Danger where Han Solo is looking through the books about missiles. It didn't fool General Santa Anna (scenes deleted) so why would it fool the Georgians? Better than hoping to catch a truck there is to put one there, after all...
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:06 No.8964668
    Meh. Who needs explosives. Just attach a sturdy truck by it's bumper to one end of a cable, and the other to the 'vark. Then fly over the plant low enough a few times to just plainly club it to rubble with it.

    I swear, that evil fucking plane is capable of it.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:07 No.8964680
    You drop a truck people are nuts! Interesting nuts, but nuts.

    On the subject of useful Maskirovka though, it may not be a bad idea for sandy and baron to rent/borrow a couple of SU-25s for the mission. They have the payload/capability for the strike, and are in active service with the Georgians, which could be useful for disguising the strike, especially if they are trying to make this look like the result of a terror bombing rather than an airstrike. If in addition you could arrange to bribe someone for Georgian codes/frequencies there is the potential for your flight to just slip in and out without raising any alarms
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:10 No.8964727

    Internal bay, yes? If inside, aerodynamics don't matter. If falling, just need it to fall straight down if pilot has balls of war criminal. They need no helicopter, just enough truck to make it look like a truck.

    GOOGLEINT that works

    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:11 No.8964749

    Thats one thing that pissed me off about the movie (a lot of things did, but they're irrelenvant)

    The novel- "Forensics say there was cardboard residue, which you can't make an aircraft bomb out of..." *picks up big-ass Janes hardcover* "... Or can you? This warrants looking at!"

    The movie- "Forensics say there was cardboard residue... And according to this book there is a super-secret stealth bomb the Americans built made of cardboard!"

    God the amount that Hollywood sucks is directly proportional to how epic these threads are.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)00:12 No.8964755
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    Working on a photoshop of the Merc Squad Logo.

    Does the squad have a particular motto?

    Picture related, its the base for the logo.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:13 No.8964773
    a few problems
    1) truck on aircraft, affects air performance
    2) truck from aircraft shows no evidence of how it got on to the dam
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:14 No.8964792

    Wouldn't that be even more confusing then?

    Honestly, if you were investigating that site, your first thought wouldn't be, "Those clever bastards dropped this from a plane!"
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:14 No.8964793
    a soloution would be to have a remote controll truck pack with asplosives.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:16 No.8964823
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    I heard you needed a truck to blow up.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:17 No.8964839
    But here's my try.

    I've been reading Chronicles of the Black Company. Can you tell?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:18 No.8964852
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    woops forgot my pictar
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:19 No.8964865

    your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:19 No.8964875
    2) truck from aircraft shows no evidence of how it got on to the dam
    So they need to release it low and let it roll into the dam... at several hundred miles per hour.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:22 No.8964923
    So they should fly over land, not over water?
    Better way to avoid detection, probably.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:22 No.8964933
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:26 No.8964999
    2) is largely covered. No amount of contrary proof is going to get the Russians to admit guilt, and no amount of strong suspicions over the act are going to convince the international community to as much as criticize them. The truck parts, et cetera, would be merely additional cosmetic details.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)00:28 No.8965030
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    Alright, here is mine.

    Words on top, or on bottom?
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)00:28 No.8965040

    Also a WIP, any other suggestions?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:28 No.8965044
    Bottom, if you won't change that logo's layout at all.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:29 No.8965059
    I'm still wishing they called themselves Grenadier Flight. It's less '80s than Hell's Black Aces.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:30 No.8965073
    needs something across the bottom. Move text there and put it in a scroll/banner type thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:31 No.8965088
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    ># Bombs: The bay can alternately hold two conventional bombs, usually the Mk 117 type of nominal 750 lb/340 kg weight, although weapons up to the Mk 118 (3,000 lb/1,362 kg) were cleared.
    # Nuclear weapons: All F-111 models except the EF-111A and the Australian F-111C were equipped to carry various free-fall nuclear weapons: tactical models generally carried the B43, B57, or B61, the FB-111A those weapons or the B83. The FB-111A could also carry one or two AGM-69 SRAM nuclear missiles in its weapons bay.

    TWO * 1362Kg for most of a truck? Plenty!

    Is plenty capacity comrades! Inside!

    How much room though?

    >SRAM was 176 in (4.47 m) long with its tail fairing in place, with a diameter of 17.6 in (447 mm).

    >no useful dimensions, but LINK
    >length 4.19 m (13 ft 9 in)
    >fin span 1.22 m (4 ft)

    That's pretty big comrades. Think how much ALREADY EXPLODED TRUCK you could fit in a space that's 1*4.5*3 meters - that's, actually, that's pretty much a whole truck, even before you explode it.


    1: Get a truck.
    2: Blow it up.
    3: Strap most of the parts back together.
    4: Stick it in the F-111
    5: Drop it on the water pipes.

    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:32 No.8965097
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    Why's it gotta be the Ace of Spades?
    Make it the Ace of Clubs.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:32 No.8965098

    Needs another color. Whit would look good outlining the tear drop
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:33 No.8965114
    Methinks diamonds would serve better.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:33 No.8965119
    Ace of clubs is smalltime.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:33 No.8965123
    Diamonds are red. They ain't Hell's Red Aces.
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:35 No.8965156
    Needs more Hell. Devil horns on the skull perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:35 No.8965169
    I don't think the spade sign should be behind the skull. How about removing the big spade sign entirely, and making the text wider, more spaced out, and bolder?

    Imagine this getting stencled onto a plane and being legible.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:36 No.8965175
    You'd still want to strap it to a bomb to create the radial explosive pattern. Just dropping them would send them on a pretty straight path, which would look weird for an IED.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:38 No.8965213
    Be a rebel, No one can tell you what color your diamonds are.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:47 No.8965323

    Sorry comrades, if my plan is not clear.

    Get a truck. Blow it up, or at least disassemble (top tip: blowing stuff up is one of the fastest ways to make it into smaller pieces) it and bunch it up as a rectangular brick around a bomb (or thirty). Drop it out of the Aardvaark onto the waterpipes, taking out the bridge. That stops the generators, and hampers access to the site.

    Also bomb the crap out of the turbine house. Coming at it low and from the side rather than above would create the impression that the explosions were caused by weapons placed, rather than dropped. Hopefully, anyway.

    In this plan the lads would come north up the valley (see the terrain feature) and they'd likely need two for the actual bombing. First in takes the turbine house, that's the important part - you don't get paid for a mobility kill on a building. Second, which I'm recommending be the 'vaark, is further disinformation. As the first striker exits NOE, the 'vaark goes vertical, which has the downside of showing up on radar unless someone is distracted, and then divebombs the bridge. Admittedly, it'd be an engineering challenge, but I should think it's pretty easy to make a three-tonne brick made out of truck parts and explosives fall more or less straight down.

    Aardvaark exits back down the valley, and Georgian conspiracy theorists start talking about "the truck that blew up twice". Meanwhile Triggerhappy and Trogdor and Whatsischops can fly air cover and probably get the chance to COLLATERAL DAMAGE some innocent Orthodox monks when they fire an anti-radiation missile at an onion dome.

    Of course, this assumes that Steve has picked a location that can be GOOGLEINTed.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)00:48 No.8965337
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    And I was just starting to worry about how long it had been.

    The mission sounds so simple I'm immediately paranoid of what is going to go wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:50 No.8965383
    >Of course, this assumes that Steve has picked a location that can be GOOGLEINTed

    Didn't someone say recently that Steve had real maps, not google ones?
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)00:52 No.8965420
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    Second WIP

    Need anything?
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)00:53 No.8965436

    Also I know there are a few artifacts left over, but I'm a little lazy.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:53 No.8965438
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:55 No.8965483
    I presume you're waiting until the end to make the text blend in better. That's okay.
    Put "Hell's Black Aces" underneath the logo there and post it again.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:56 No.8965495
    Both the WIP look good, better than I could do.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:59 No.8965546
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    I really should have started this using more than one goddamn layer.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:00 No.8965573
    This looks more like nose or tail art

    While this seems more like a squadron logo.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:02 No.8965611
    Knowing OP's squadron, you might as well replace the phrase with "vae victus".
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:03 No.8965632
    Perhaps load up on TV guided munitions so that the side seater in the ardvark (or RIO in the phantom) can gjuide them in nice and low?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:04 No.8965662
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:05 No.8965679
    >Triggerhappy and Trogdor
    Oh, jeeze. That cracked me up like a coconut.

    The guys need to do some more napalm action.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)01:05 No.8965683

    I just started reading the backlogged missions.

    Er, archive, so I cant really say, but I guess it depends on what the OP says?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:11 No.8965803

    Then I have no idea comrade. This is a structure that I found that appears to be a hydroelectric plant on the same valley as the river that it is allegedly on.

    Admittedly, it's clearly a hydroelectric station, not a dam - Steve didn't say 'dam', he said station - it's the same type as a number that I've seen in real life, and that 400m in 400m drop is pretty indicative.

    It's about 200KM on a straight shot from Ganja (Gyandzha?) and there's room for extreme NOE in the valley to the target.

    If it were hardened, I'd expect SAMs and similar along the valleys. The thing is, I don't really expect it to be hardened - it's not exactly a priority target, but it's a serious opportunity to show some cunning and brutality, or at least some brutality and cunning.

    Avoiding detection is the best bet - so a night raid. Then it becomes about managing radar defenses. At that time of night I don't know how many commercial flights there are to hide behind, so I suspect it's low-level/NOE in and out as a best course of action.

    There's no alternate target - the objective is 'destruction', but there's no dam to take out that I can see, and now that I think about it you *can* mobility kill a generating station by taking out its transmission farm.

    So there's really three targets - the turbine house, the transformer park, and the piping/access road. Each of which makes the task of repairing the plant harder, and each of which makes it easier to sow disinformation.

    Never mind truck parts. Do you think its time to pay homage to Operation Mincemeat?
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)01:13 No.8965847

    I'll try and clean it up a little bit.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:14 No.8965856

    AAW - I think this might be one of those ones that becomes a clusterfuck not because of what goes wrong, but because of what goes right. I mean, Hell's Black Aces have been hired here to destabilise Georgia. They sank a cruise liner. They upset Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith, Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth, Baroness Greenwich, Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, Duke of Normandy, Duchess of Qwghlm, Duke of Outer Qwghlm. They blew up a hospital. They probably use FULL MILITARY POWER rather than ask their ground crews to remove the chocks. They are bad men. We are probably just going to see them get worse.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)01:21 No.8965975
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    Here it is folks.

    I did my best.

    Still sort of a huge ass space a the bottom, I was hoping to put the Pilots names there in little ribbons, but I'm kinda sleepy.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:22 No.8965986
    How many times do I have to tell you? Put "Hell's Black Aces" underneath that logo in that
    >big empty space
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:23 No.8966007
    Alright, I've noticed these threads off and on for a while now without getting into them: What system is the OP's DM using?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:23 No.8966010
    I would do a role statement deal like on mission badges.

    Of course for this squadron it would just be "Kill Everything"
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:24 No.8966017
    A modified version of Air War C21.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:27 No.8966078
    With RPG elements included, homebrewed by the Great GM Steve.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:29 No.8966107

    Thank you. I shall have to look into it more; this would be a great break from the usual games for my group, and at least half of us are fans of Ace Combat (I know, its not simulationist in the least, but its the spirit of the thing).
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:29 No.8966112
    Fuck, I've never heard of this, and now I have 16 archive threads to read.

    So much for sleep.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:31 No.8966141
    Comrades, I think we have it.


    The bit beside Khamri HES (hydroelectric station?) says

    "The station site derivation hydroelectric power, which gave the first talk in 1947 and finally completed in 1949.

    The total length of the derivation of Tsalka reservoir more than 7,5 km.
    The length of the open section of the pipeline on the slope is 586 m.
    · Pressure created by the dam and the derivation of 370 m,
    · Installed capacity of 113 MW,
    · Average annual output 217 million kWh.

    Wastewater is discharged to an open channel to the pool daily regulation, built and put into operation in 1963, the next stage of the cascade - Temple GES-2.
    Category: hydroelectric power station production"

    That's, um.

    3% of Georgia's electricity.


    3%. I'm not sure that this lot *are* FSB. I think, no, wait, actually, still could be - jacking up electricity prices for the benefits of oligarchs could well be within their remit in this work of fiction which bears no resemblance to reality comrade.
    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/04/10(Sun)01:32 No.8966164

    I don't think I can make that look good. Someone else is free to try though.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:33 No.8966180
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    I guarantee nothing.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:37 No.8966247
    Hell's Black Aces is a mouthful but at least you guys didn't go with the Chicoms.

    Those poor Georgians don't stand a chance in hell.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:38 No.8966260
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:40 No.8966301
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    So what could go wrong with this mission?

    AAA around the target?
    NATO intervention out of fucking nowhere?
    Landcreuzer Ark Royal?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:41 No.8966318
    Georgia meters out power consumption, they brown or blackout most of the country all the time. The powerstation probably represents more than 3% of generation.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:42 No.8966335
    Knowing OP's group, they'll accidentally blow up the dam instead of just crippling it.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:44 No.8966369
    Low level AAA is probably the most immediate threat. What does Georgia have in terms of an air Force? How about countries south of Georgia?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:46 No.8966381

    Jacking up Georgia's electricity costs could well be within the scope of the FSB's goals though; a good way to destabilize a region is to deny it basic services after all. I mean, you blow up a power station or two, it gets on the news that the government that is reeling already can't protect the infrastructure. Costs go up, anger amongst the citizenry that suddenly has to spend more of their money on bills then on distracting things like TV's and cable or whathaveyou, anti-government groups see a surge of membership and political clout, you hit something else like a coffee shop or a school, and suddenly everyones fears are given a manifest example. You then have your backed anti-government group that is say, very pro-Russia, come in and take control in an election. They request aid from the Russian military for security reasons, and suddenly the PC's squadron is being hunted by the Russian air-force as terrorists. They get shot down, a whirlwind investigation happens in front of the media and some Georgian mid-level military man gets propped up as the hero of the day who just happens to, I dunno, have a Russian wife or something.

    Overall Russian sentiment skews into the positive, leading to enhanced economic relations. Suddenly you have a sattelite state with all the economic benefits that entails with none of the costs or security risks of actually conquering the place.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:46 No.8966384
    No other country is going to help Georgia in its conflict with Russia, officially or otherwise. The biggest threat to expect is another mercenary force.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:47 No.8966401
    Is this before or after the last time Russia slapped them around?

    According to Wikipedia they don't have really any airborne threats to OP's group. Unless SU-25's and trainers are now superiority fighters and no-one told me.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:47 No.8966403
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    She smiles because she doesn't know her history.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:48 No.8966420
    After. This takes place in at least 2015. Plus the OP's briefing mentioned the South Ossetian War in passing.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:49 No.8966428
    There are a few countries that might benefit from OP's group getting blown out of the sky.

    Could one of them fund a mercenary group or lose a wing or two of fighters for a few weeks?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:50 No.8966452
    inb4 Shilkas everywhere

    Also, the Turkish Air Force might have an AWACS up and track them all the way.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:51 No.8966466
    I think that would allow OP's group to go cold war tech upside their head thanks to the ROE.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:51 No.8966469
    No one can smile when it comes to Russia. Just look at the Russians.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:53 No.8966503
    >Large parts of its tank forces, artillery and relatively modern anti-aircraft defence units were either destroyed or captured. A large part of the Georgian Navy was sunk by the Russian forces; the sunk ships included three vessels of the Georgian navy that were sunk in their harbour, Poti, after Russian forces occupied the city, and another was sunk by Russian naval forces off the coast of Abkhazia.[16][351][379] Only 15 vessels of the Georgian navy remained in action. Russia estimates that three Georgian Su-25 strike aircraft and two L-29 jet trainers were destroyed in the war.[380] In addition, the Georgian Air Force lost 4 helicopters, one AN-2 airplane, one Mi-14 transport/asw helicopter and two Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters.


    Cute girl, btw
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:55 No.8966537
    Also from site.
    >A Chicago-based arms manufacturer has sold Georgia $100 million dollars worth of weaponry, including advanced air defense equipment, after Georgia lodged a formal request for military assistance.[384]
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:56 No.8966541
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)01:58 No.8966579
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    Black Aces...
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)01:59 No.8966601
    But are they from hell?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:00 No.8966624
    ...It's possible. OP Again showed all the 1d4chan stuff to his group.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:01 No.8966627

    No, but as a GM I like to infuse all my game settings with heavy doses of Shadowrun style and Tom Clancy/West Wing style villains. Iron Kingdoms is especially fun for this, but playing with it in Planescape with the faction-politics out of Sigil and running with Blood War agents jumping from prime world to prime world was also alot of fun.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:02 No.8966653
    That sounds like a reasonable explanation of the situation. Although, taking out power stations are also a prelude to invasion.
    Depends on how subtle the Russians want to be.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:04 No.8966689
    Not very if they're hiring mercenaries that have a reputation of complete and utter overkill.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:06 No.8966711
    Pretty subtle if they're making said mercenaries pretend they were ground-based insurgents.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:06 No.8966718
    I think the rep they have is less overkill, more "The job gets done, no matter the complication"

    Essentially: We get shit done.

    There's probably a big market for that type of rep.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:07 No.8966726
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    Doing that sends them up shit creek without a canoe.

    Turkey is a NATO member, and that means their pilots are well trained. . .

    Add modern fighters(F-35s, plus F-16s), AWACS support (they'll have several 737 with a AESA radar in service by 2015) and shooting at them becomes a big no-no if your plan includes not ejecting with multiple AMRAAMs on your tail.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:07 No.8966731

    Ahha, but there's the thing: The PC's have a reputation for ridiculous overkill with little to no morals about it, yes? That fits the bill for the type of operation I posited perfectly: You want maximum flash for the cameras. You want it to be shocking, to be insane, to capture the attention of the nation. In short, you want them to be terrorists.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:08 No.8966747
    A few ATGM's followed up by a bomb bay filled with truck parts would be pretty flashy.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:10 No.8966766
    It's a pretty big assumption that Georgia's gonna have a Turkish AWACS just flyin' about. I wouldn't worry about that.
    Go fire a bomb truck or three at the dam.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:10 No.8966767
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    This really looks like a easy mission. So obviously it will be anything but. I don't know if Op has but his group should really start taking into account possible civilians on the battlefield from now in whatever passes for their mission planning.

    For example any nearby towns or passing civilian passenger aircraft. I'd also be willing to bet the day they attack is the day a school decides to go there for their field trip.

    Also about all this talk about dropping truck parts in the bomb blast. Clever, but doesn't that still leave the fact that any eyewitness is going to report the sounds of jets making these runs?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:10 No.8966776
    I think OP should drop trucks filled with bombs on them.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:10 No.8966778
    And in International news, terrorists in Georgia car bombed a hydro plant, electrical substation, a bridge, 2 miles of highway, a toy factory, 13 acres of woodland, a herd of sheep, and 6 cows.
    In entertainment news, Crabs! Which celebrity has them now? Find out after the break.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:12 No.8966804
    >For example any nearby towns or passing civilian passenger aircraft. I'd also be willing to bet the day they attack is the day a school decides to go there for their field trip.

    That's why OP should do it at night. Less likely for civilians to be out and about in the target area.

    >Clever, but doesn't that still leave the fact that any eyewitness is going to report the sounds of jets making these runs?

    They could interpret it as the sound of thing going boom.

    I think the best idea for OP would be to get a map and try to avoid any populated areas and go in at night.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:12 No.8966805
    That got me to chuckle. Good job Sukhoi.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:12 No.8966808
    >Clever, but doesn't that still leave the fact that any eyewitness is going to report the sounds

    A valid point, but then again, when has OP and company ever left witnesses?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:12 No.8966816
    >13 acres of woodland, a herd of sheep, and 6 cows.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:14 No.8966833
    They never had to deal with trees in Africa.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:19 No.8966932
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    Much as I hate the Raptor, it can look better in different paint...
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:20 No.8966955
    sukhoi, any american plane you do approve of?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:20 No.8966961
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    We all know how you feel. Calm down...
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:20 No.8966973
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    I like the night idea but how well can the group do night ops? Haven't all the past engagements been done by daylight?

    As horribly effective as they are it's unreasonable to expect them to completely kill everybody within ear shot. Nor should they start to think of that as as a mission objective either.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:21 No.8966995
    Blue Angels Raptor is dead sexy.

    What kind of ballistic issues will OP's group run into? Does an ATGM or iron bomb explosion look obviously different from an IED?

    What about the debris distribution, can they make it the same as a stationary explosion?

    Are the Georgian inspectors good enough to notice, and will they give a damn if they do?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:22 No.8967009
    I was just going to post that! Don't read my mind!

    F-15, F-4, A-4, A-10, C-17, C-130, F-14

    All solid in my book.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:23 No.8967035
    You've probably said it before, but what is so wrong with the Raptor?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:25 No.8967076
    >it's unreasonable to expect them to completely kill everybody within ear shot.

    Is it? Are you absolutely sure about that? Georgia doesn't have the same population density as a major African city, you know, and some liberal use of cluster bombs can go a long way.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:25 No.8967077
    Nothing 'wrong', just the emphasis on Low Observable tech seems too high, and making it overly reliant on E3/Jstar support. Unit cost is also huge, to the point that the kill ratio needs to be 4:1 or better against other aircraft.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:26 No.8967117
    Considering it's projected kill ratio against anything currently flying is about 10:1 that's pretty reasonable.

    Also it's turning into a bit of a hangar queen if I recall correctly.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:27 No.8967149
    Cluster bombs are expensive. They're mercenaries looking to make a profit; they're NOT trying to get the mission done as 100% as possible.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:28 No.8967157
    If they're smart they won't need to.

    Of course Steve does lurve his curveballs.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)02:29 No.8967173
    Those projected numbers bear no resemblance to actual combat situations though. The assumptions they make are huge.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:30 No.8967207
    Considering that in today's world the chance of the Raptor actually engaging comparable aircraft is extremely low the point is probably moot anyway. The plane represents a mode of thought that has far less relevance in today's world of economic entanglement, where most conflicts are with terrorist groups.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:31 No.8967220
    Of course they are. You need big numbers to wow the government into continuing to provide you with funds and support.
    It happened with the Patriots, and it's definitely happening with the F-22 and F-35.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:34 No.8967317
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    Again, mass murder isn't something that should be a mission objective.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:36 No.8967345
    That's why the objective should be get in, level the place, maybe spread some truck bits around, and get the fuck out at mach 2+ with no-one but the station crew any the wiser.

    But if things go ploin shaped it can't hurt for OP to be packed for bear.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:47 No.8967542
    rolled 6, 10 = 16

    They don't want to
    >level the place
    They only want to render the station inoperable.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)02:56 No.8967696
    That's not the point.

    The point is that having a plan to kill everything that saw you on the way in and out is all well and good.
    But the objective is to get in and out with the minimum of force and get the job done.

    Sometimes overwhelming firepower is good. Sometimes it just gets your mission compromised and GROM or SAS or SFOD-D standing over you with a silenced pistol while you sleep.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)03:00 No.8967780
    rolled 4, 4 = 8

    Flares, chaff, and engines are there to prevent you from getting blown up.
    Throwing cluster bombs at forests is not only a waste of money, it's also a dead ringer that ground-based terrorists did not attack the dam.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)03:01 No.8967803
    What exactly are we disagreeing about?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)03:03 No.8967821
    rolled 10, 8 = 18

    . . .
    I don't know.

    Point is, OP just simply complete the objective and keep an eye out for anything interesting.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)03:10 No.8967940
    ...which you could do by putting a dam sized hole in the dam. I'm just saying, our guys seem to have a tendency for thing to go much more explodey than would normally be desired.

    And actually, would a massive torrent of water serve well enough to muddle the scene of who exactly did what? Everyone's going to be pointing fingers and dropping plausible deniability likes its napalm going out of style, so having the investigators pour over bits of metal pulled out of a 50km long mud slick while they try not to get in the way of the red cross boys might work to the player's advantage.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)03:14 No.8968015
    Except launching a guided munition into a damn will look a lot different than an IED.

    An easier objective would be to hit the Turbine house with an ATGM or two.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)03:17 No.8968077
    Vietnam era camoed raptor....

    i think im in love.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)03:20 No.8968130
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    Thread better be here tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)03:21 No.8968140
    Thumbnail looks like mid-air helicopter refueling.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)04:46 No.8969263
    This better be getting archived or, as Sukhoi said, still alive tomorrow.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)05:09 No.8969507
    its in the archive

    any news on the 2 new players?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)05:27 No.8969720
    The drawfags in this thread are fantastic. Props, you guys.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)05:34 No.8969809
    Baron has one up on GOOGLINT. He has access to CHANINT.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)07:58 No.8971310
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    CHANINT, where strapping a truck full of C4 to a fighter-bomber is a sane idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)08:12 No.8971419

    Come on, we're not suggesting that at all!
    .... We're suggesting he strap 2 trucks full of C4 to a plane.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)08:16 No.8971457
    Is there a Vassal module for AirWar C21? Or any way of making one out of curiosity?
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)08:20 No.8971488
    well this changes everything.

    however, what kind of truck? or more importantly can we get a semi streamlined truck to improve Sandy's air endurance and speed whist enroute to the target?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)08:29 No.8971570
    Honestly, I have no clue what truck to use.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)08:43 No.8971665
    But it's much more unreliable....
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)09:34 No.8972152
    I don't think any Eastern Bloc truck has ever been described as streamlined.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)09:43 No.8972241
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    Good point...

    Curse you hard wearing yet ugly soviet under engineering!
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)09:43 No.8972243
    I can't imagine it would be all that difficult...
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)09:45 No.8972263
    Oh man, this thread is still alive and kicking? Sweet.

    I really can't wait to read who gets a bomb in his bedroom this time. This stuff really is inspiring, to the point that it makes me wonder if I should try running something similar on the 'net. I don't have the grasp on air combat requires, but I could get away with "grim and gritty mercenary action" style games.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)09:51 No.8972300
    Speaking of Russian trucks, there is a Kraz truck official video, that is like a sales promo prodcut, that for no reason, at 1:50 in has one of their trucks jumping off a ramp over an exploding car.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)09:58 No.8972357
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    Call me crazy, but reading the mission briefing, I think everyone should be a/g and flying very low.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:02 No.8972381
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:16 No.8972462
    ... the picture presents USAF halloween night tradition; the boys are trick-or-treating in South-East Asia. Everyone took the same costume again, for some reason.

    Also, did OP ever elaborate on his thoughts about changing planes?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:17 No.8972465
    Yeah, he said he was looking to get a Hornet.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)10:21 No.8972499

    wouldn't that expose the group to more manpads etc
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:22 No.8972509
    It depends on how may MANPADs are in the area. I'm guessing next to none. The low approach is superior to the high one.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)10:23 No.8972517

    I didn't think he was making THAT much money.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)10:25 No.8972532

    fair enough, thought it might be a idea to stay nice and high seeing as afik there is little to no chance of there being any bad guy planes
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:28 No.8972569
    >little to no chance
    Okay, they're gonna get ambushed.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)10:33 No.8972600

    Actually, if they ARE using the AirWar ruleset, wouldn't a Block 25 F-16 be better? Given that it has a better Computer, bombing ability and top speed? I suppose only having 6 Damage Points compared to 8 might be a worry, but realistically, 2 extra points doesn't make THAT much of a difference.

    Hell, if they'd signed up with China, he could have bought the J10.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:41 No.8972674
    The J10... talk about a dark horse. It seems to me that knowing what you're flying is more or less vital for these chaps, so flying a plane that hasn't that much information of it out might be a little worrying.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)10:44 No.8972707

    I wasn't aware there was that much secrecy around it, I was just going with what the Wikipedia page said and it's stat-block in AirWar, where it's essentially an F-16 with ECM and more hardpoints that looks like a Eurofighter.

    Alternatively, maybe give the Gripen go? How expensive are they these days anyway?
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)10:44 No.8972709
    OP was looking at the super bug
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)10:51 No.8972808

    Wow, really? He HAS been doing well.

    And yet, aside from the DP, according to stats the J10 is still better. Scary.

    Hmm, comparing to the Gripen the two are essentially the same, except the Gripen turns better, and the Super Hornet has ECM.

    Tough call really. Now I'D still go for the Gripen, but my love of SAAB made fighter planes has been fairly well documented.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)10:54 No.8972847
    Two engines are better than one.

    I dislike the F-16 and the JSF for their single engine philosophy.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:55 No.8972865
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    My concern with the J-10 was that it's brand spanking new when compared to the rest of the playing field, and coming from a manufacturer that is nearly religious in its dedication to not admitting to faults. Thus I find it's reliability, performance and possible quirks might be something to worry about. While I realize it'd run propably like a dream when taken plainly on game rules, there's the Steve-factor to consider.

    Ironic, but I'd find the plane trustworthy if it was actually older. Are there any performance reports from non-Chinese national sources?

    Gripen, I dunno. That's yet another dark horse. But it has some years on it, and seems to be doing okay. Might be interesting. Easy parking in a pinch, would be funny for the wing to do CSAR on their own.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)10:58 No.8972900
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    The J-10 has some odd curves. I prefer the Rafale if I'm honest.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)10:58 No.8972901

    Sure sure. Like I said, there's so little between the two it's pretty much down to personal taste. They both have the same suggested loadout, computer, DP and pretty much everything else anyway.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)10:59 No.8972907
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    Wouldn't it be an act of beauty if the Gripen performed as it does, but looked identical to the Draken?
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)11:02 No.8972944
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    if he can afford the Rafale, he should get it... its sex on legs.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)11:04 No.8972962

    Yes. Yes it would.

    No if you excuse me, I have to change my pants.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)11:05 No.8972974

    Ah the Rafale, the only french weapon of war I will ever love or respect.

    Not that this is saying much...
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)11:05 No.8972976
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    Dem french birds. But I have to say that I prefer the Scandinavian MILF.

    ... Mother I'd Like to Fly?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)11:10 No.8973042
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    When it comes to elegance, there's only one answer.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)11:16 No.8973124
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    not bad, but look at that <

    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 04/04/10(Sun)11:24 No.8973237

    I'm sorry both of you, but I think you'll find that >>8972976 has already won this competition. You'll have to console yourself by being a pair of blisteringly dangerous fighter planes.
    >> planefag 04/04/10(Sun)11:28 No.8973285


    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)11:33 No.8973343
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)11:35 No.8973370
    Comrades - I appreciate the distracting nature of those airframes, but we have a mission to help with, Da?

    There are two key things to remember -

    1) This is effectively a deceit/fals-flag operation, so secrecy and misdirection are key. They don't have access to Russian airspace, but it's only about 200km WNW from Ganja to their target. There are a few flights that come into Tblisi in the small hours -


    Hiding underneath Turkish or Austrian traffic to ingress, then NOE down the valley after the strike, with a 'special package' of truck parts HELD INTERNALLY. Again, I'm not seriously advocating dropping a truck from a wing hardpoint - that would be madness. A bundled parcel wrapped around some of the FSB's "IED alikes" would do the job nicely.

    2) This is not a dam. It's a hydroelectric station, which appears to be a run-of-the-river/reservoir fed installation. The water runs down those three tubes in the satellite imagery down 400m in 400m - they are the source of the hydro power.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)11:47 No.8973515
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    Sorry, this is just better looking than your Raptor, or the Draken.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/04/10(Sun)12:01 No.8973735
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    What is it about these French gals that drives me wild?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)12:04 No.8973760
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    As cool as it sounds to use truck parts lets think about this. What kind of trucks are commonly seen in Georgia? Could Op's group buy the same in their current location? Does the location of the station make it believable that someone just drove right up to it with a VBIED and nobody noticed?

    It's probably easier to just use the stuff the FSB made up.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)12:04 No.8973763
    It's got a big stupid tube at the back.

    Your argument is permanently invalid.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)12:04 No.8973772
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    Curves. Curves do it for most men.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)12:06 No.8973793
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    How can you not like the stinger?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)12:07 No.8973805

    >What kind of trucks are commonly seen in Georgia?

    Most likely, the same kind that is commonly seen in Azerbadjan.

    Could Op's group buy the same in their current location?

    It'd be a piece of cake to buy one of the supply trucks or whatever that services the airfield where they're stationed. Getting hold of Georgian license plates will be a bit trickier, I guess, but not impossible.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)12:14 No.8973911
    If they could get the same kind of truck the license plate shouldn't even matter. Again though why go through all the trouble when the FSB has already cooked up something for them?
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/04/10(Sun)12:17 No.8973970
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    Curvy, exotic, and versatile; I never thought I'd like a delta wing fighter this much.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)12:38 No.8974281
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)12:56 No.8974523
    Bumping an excellent thread.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)13:42 No.8975268
    I'm considering running a campaign of this, potentially using Vassal. I think it would be pretty cool.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)13:55 No.8975479
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)13:57 No.8975512
    Yes it would.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)13:58 No.8975526
    I will marry you if you run this online.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:01 No.8975578
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    We want her to run it, not run away. Good going asshole.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:11 No.8975752
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:13 No.8975780
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:15 No.8975804
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    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)14:19 No.8975863
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    The most beautiful planes are not even real.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:20 No.8975903
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    doubt it.

    Best looking plane in the group.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:22 No.8975929
    Mmmm. Pretty pretty Rafales...
    >> planefag 04/04/10(Sun)14:25 No.8975979
    Not to rain on your parade here, but strapping truck parts to the outside of a bomb is going to significantly alter it's aerodynamic profile, to the point that on-board computers CCIP is going to be way, way off.

    Best to just hit the place with the Russkie special munitions, and then drop truck parts over the area later.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:28 No.8976025

    How are the onboard computers going to deal with the special submunitions anyway? They're supposed to work more like IED's, so what is the bomb like? Is the package even aerodynamic?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:32 No.8976088
    Oh, don't worry. Sukhoi can put up with us.
    >> planefag 04/04/10(Sun)14:37 No.8976145

    It's most likely low-order explosives with metal packed around it for fragmentation effect all stuffed into a cellulose or thin aluminum bomb casing.

    >We have prepared special air dropped munitions, built with low-grade explosives designed to simulate a typical IED or saboteur strike.

    This will leave the chemical traces, and if the Russkies were smart, they'll throw some truck parts into the case as well (making sure they won't unbalance the bomb, of course.)
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:46 No.8976317
    >and if the Russkies were smart
    >implying the Russians will actually help you get the job done in any meaningful way
    >> planefag 04/04/10(Sun)14:48 No.8976342

    ... good point.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)14:52 No.8976424
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    Pic related

    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)14:55 No.8976471
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    See my previous piece of art

    Now I open Photoshop again...
    Also, for being Sukhoi, have this.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)15:03 No.8976606
    I just thought about this, which MiG is the Judge flying?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:06 No.8976653
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    Said above he was going for a MiG 29.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)15:07 No.8976670
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    MiG-29 wasn't it?

    >The new pilot is a 45 year old Canadian called Keith "Judge" Buhay. Because he was transferred in, he got the Russian arms deal, and is waiting for delivery of a MiG-29.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:12 No.8976746
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    I was just about to complain that I couldn't find my Air War .pdfs, then I remembered it was Sukhoi who named the darn things.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)15:20 No.8976870
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    But which one? The K? The S? The SM, the M, or the GT?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:20 No.8976874
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    Hmm. For speculation, I think we're approaching the mission from the wrong angle. We should be thinking about undetected entry and exit modes rather than what we drop on the target.

    I like >>8973370 's idea of sneaking in along civilian traffic. That's a risk too, but at least it's a conscious one. Going in blind without the foggiest of ideas of possible listeners out on the route sounds plain bad news.

    Perhaps Sandman could be the one designated to deliver the payload, and the rest of the squadron would work on probing the area and the route covertly beforehand. Eplore and write a map for the delivery, so to say, and then loiter in the background ready to jump in in case things get hairy on delivery day.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)15:23 No.8976916
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    Easy to find them isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:24 No.8976932
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    Strange, I don't see the Phantom in the C21 file. But I also can't find the RaptorsarecoolbutFlankersRule file that Sukhoi included with the Air War C21 files. I only have the main rulebook, though I downloaded both. Oddd.

    Anyway. Here.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)15:30 No.8977027
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    Its called "Raptors Rock but flankers rule" or something thereabouts.

    So anyone else still been messing with MAS? Game is frustrating. Always on the verge of bankruptcy and barely able to afford munitions for the next mission.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)15:33 No.8977090
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    Can't say I have recently, been messing around with Air War. Picture not mine.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:35 No.8977132
    I was looking in my MAS folder for the Raptors[verb]ButFlankersRule.pdf but it isn't there. I'm tempted to start MAS again, but I have to be brutally honest with it -- one pilot to begin with, and 2 F-4s. Not easy.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)15:37 No.8977158
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    Hm? In single-player "solitaire" mode you start with 4 pilots and 2 Phantoms.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:40 No.8977216
    I didn't like that. I looked at the starting rules in 2.2 or whatever and saw that one player = one pilot, and starting with 1 player in the game gives you two Phantoms.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/04/10(Sun)15:44 No.8977278
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:49 No.8977357
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:50 No.8977379
    Should've put words with the pic.
    I think this means Sukhoi's a trap. Or something.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)15:51 No.8977396
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:04 No.8977589
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    Just a little idea that came to my mind:

    What would happen to the board electronics of a commercial airliner with a SU-27 hugging it close enough to be in it's radar shadow when the Flanker lights up the search dish?
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:08 No.8977655
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    Something like this.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:09 No.8977673
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    Passenger cancer risk just went up a few °/oo.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:11 No.8977709
    Because of the electronics or because of the bl--
    Oh, cancer, not AIDS.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:23 No.8977941
    I just caught the updates on 1d4chan.
    Great thanks to those who do that.
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:45 No.8978301
    >Sukhoi's a trap
    Egads, no, save at least the plane threads from the trap nonsense. Too much of that around already.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:55 No.8978488
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)16:55 No.8978492
    I've been playing around with MAS. I find it helps not to play all missions, if a mission seems like the munitions required will cost more than the mission is worth, I'll deliberately overbid or even not bid on it.
    it also helps to have more campaigns available, i've been working on a campaign generator and some alternate enemy charts.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)17:12 No.8978762
    So, the guys settled on "Hell's Black Aces"? That's a pity. I was rooting for "The Aristocrats", knowing their current tally.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)17:18 No.8978866
    That's a terrible name. Both of them. Grenadier Flight or Incidental Flight FTW.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)17:24 No.8978979
    Meh. I thought The Aristocrats would go perfectly well, based on the gag.


    Mostly because it's horrible, and they're horrible.
    >> the /34/ must flow Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)17:37 No.8979191
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    The blazing Congo sun was muted by the camo netting stretched overhead, held up by a collection of rough wooden poles, sheets of corrugated metal, and a few barrels. Hanging from one of the poles was a sign that read OFFICER'S CLUB.

    Baron sprawled in a lawn chair, wearing only a pair of boxers, his gangly legs stretched out onto an empty ice-chest. A warm bottle of beer sat on the upended crate next to him. Up here, there was little to see but sky, encroaching treetops, and a short swath of the airstrip. A thin breeze wafted over the roof, scarcely wicking the sweat from his skin. Baron took another swig of the weak local beer.

    He glanced over, without rising, as Sandman came clambering up the ladder to the roof, hands coming into view first, flexing as they gripped the top rungs. Sandy was an odd one, in Baron's experience. He had that accountant-like appearance so common with those American pilots--a receding hairline, kept trimmed down to eighth-of-an-inch stubble. No tattoos, no piercings. No sharp edges.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)17:38 No.8979209
    Oh gosh.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)17:54 No.8979470
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    He wondered, sometimes, why an American-trained pilot would take up this life. He wasn't an adrenaline junky like the trigger-happy Yanks that flocked to the ground-pounding PMCs. He wasn't a drunk, didn't do drugs. Gambling debts?

    "Happy hour, eh Baron?" he muttered, dropping into a lawn chair whose seat had been replaced with a cargo-strap weave.

    "The crew, they are trying to cover the floor with pieces of my engine." He raised the bottle in mock-salute. "No flying today." His eyes lingered as Sandman pulled off his T-shirt, a fluid motion of well-sculpted shoulders and arms. When they'd first met, the American had had bit of babyfat, a slight roundness to his face and belly which had accentuated the "accountant" look. All these months in Africa had seemed to hone him down--the work of stress, lousy food, and malaria pills. He looked more...predatory, now. Something stirred in Baron, an impulse he hadn't indulged since his teenage years spent clubbing in Berlin.

    Sandman looked over, caught his eyes. A boyish grin--those American teeth. "Looking for something?"

    "I could be." Baron was noncommittal, though he felt his pulse begin to throb. Anxious excitement, like a cockpit alarm going off.
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    Sandman rose again, moved to stand in front of ther German. A small trickle of sweat had formed on his chest, a moist trail disappearing into low-slung fatigue trousers. Baron reached out, touched the other man's smooth flesh. Looked up, questioningly, and got a small smirk in reply that told him all he needed to know. He leaned forward, his hand moving down to the waistline of Sandman's trousers, and brushed his lips over that flat, beautiful abdomen, tasting salt and musky skin with the tip of his tongue.

    Sandman's fingers ran through Baron's wavy, blonde hair. A caress, not yet a demand. But Baron could feel the swelling flesh under his palms, an amused smile on his face as he unbuttoned the other man's trousers, reaching inside to feel, to stroke that firm, velvety flesh emerging from its thatch of pubic hair.

    Why does an American pilot leave his military career? Now he knew.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)18:15 No.8979866
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    Welp, I suppose OP should be flattered.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)18:32 No.8980151
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    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)18:41 No.8980302

    Since when did Baron become German?
    And Sandy's the Flanker pilot, right? Why's he American?

    Man, we need pics of OP Again's group. Especially Steve, so we can make a mot poster outta him.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)19:20 No.8980971
    Bump. This thread ain't allowed to die yet.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)19:21 No.8980984
    No, this thread CAN'T die yet.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/04/10(Sun)19:49 No.8981525
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    Baron has been stated to be German.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)19:52 No.8981576
    You know you've hit it big on the internet when there's gay fapfiction about you.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)19:52 No.8981578
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    ... really. Dude. Wat.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/04/10(Sun)21:20 No.8983325

    please do it

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