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    240 KB Mercs and Planes XV OP again 03/24/10(Wed)16:44 No.8764141  
    Just got back from work and couldn't find the thread from last night.

    Steve had an email for us this morning, but since he's busy, he's not sure when we'll be meeting this week, potentially tomorrow. He did promise missions, so I'm expecting one soon.

    I'm a bit worried, what with how the last flight went.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:47 No.8764199
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    For those confused:

    TL:DR: Mercenary Air RPG (Area 88) in Africa, GM is a God, Missions are Fuck Brilliant, Execution of Missions is Barrel of Monkeys Fun. Planefaggotry is everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:49 No.8764227
    We average about 5~10 million a mission, depending on our kill tally.

    I have 32 million, plus quite a bit of 'purchased' weapons.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:50 No.8764240
    How much was the initial sum for plane, upgrade, and weapons purchases?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:51 No.8764276
    I think the Phantom was 7 million.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:52 No.8764292
    Yeah, but the OP didn't blow all his starting money on his plane.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:53 No.8764314
    Did that last mission actually leave the group poorer? If several of you were giving up your shares, plus all your expenses for high-end weapons, support, and intelligence... seems like you might have ended up in the red.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:55 No.8764343
    We had 20 million to start. I bought a 'cheap' aircraft at the reccomendation of /tg/

    Upgrade prices vary, intel is expensive, as is support. Steve told us that we essentially bankroll the support aircraft's crew for the mission if the company doesn't think they NEED to be there.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:56 No.8764379
    I took a hit on the last mission, as did Hugs (but not really, he has a good cache of missiles now so next mission he doesn't have to buy new ones) and Scotch evened out. Biscuit made cash, and Sandy did as well, although his expenses were covered by the kill bonus against the corvette.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:57 No.8764394
    I forgot to mention, I was penalized 4 million in 'spin control' money that the company used to pay off people since I sunk a civilian cruise liner.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:59 No.8764413

    Oh, 5-10 million EACH. That makes more sense now.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:59 No.8764415
    Makes sense, they could put a bullet in your head and send you to the UK embassy doorstep, or tell you "Look, we'll sweep this under a rug, but you're paying the cleaning bill"

    I like that approach.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)16:59 No.8764423
    That's a nice touch.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:01 No.8764454
    I thought it was a bit high, then I realized that they are paying off a 20 million debt/loan, they go into fights poorly supported, and in some pretty shitty situations. They pay for fuel, bombs, etc. So 5 million gets sucked away pretty fast. And, from a national perspective, paying 25 million to some merc company to provide air support is good business sense for a lot of countries...
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:03 No.8764495
    Christ, I've got a lot of reading to do. Anyone have a summary of events?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:04 No.8764522
    You are now aware that the merc company has several other flights of fighters just like OP's group that it sends on missions like the OP has gotten.

    And they're considered more experienced, too.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:05 No.8764531
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    I approve of these threads! Whenever I see a plane thumbnail I think "Oh good, /tg/ doesn't suck right now"
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:07 No.8764566
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    Doesn't suck as much you mean.

    One thread in 15 pages worth reading. Looking forward to the new mission op!
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:08 No.8764592
    While we're talking about costs...

    >MS Queen Victoria
    >Builder: Fincantieri Marghera shipyard, Italy
    >Cost: UK£270 million (approx)

    ...which isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Kinda puts in perspective just how crazy expensive modern military operations are there days.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:13 No.8764681
    OP again,

    Yeah, from what we can tell "Jaeger Flight" is the company's goto guys. There's also "Rock Ready" which is strike specialized and "Blackwood's Hussars" which is air to air. Then there is us and "Badger Flight" the two newer groups with multirole.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:15 No.8764739
    So do you guys have a squadron name yet?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:15 No.8764747
    What I mean is:

    If one group can cause THIS much damage, imagine how much chaos all FIVE must be doing to the world order.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:16 No.8764761
    No, we're trying to come up with one that sounds good, but not cheesy.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:24 No.8764906
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    I have been waiting all goddamn day for this thread!
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:27 No.8764950
    Ok, I've started reading this, and all I can say is:

    WHY THE FUCK is my gaming group not this cool/good? We never play stuff like this, it always degenerates into yet another dungeon crawl, which is ok some times. But I want this, jets, GM with a wicked twist/ atmosphere, morality beyond LoL guys look at this tic tac toe alignment chart!
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:27 No.8764956
    Awwww yeah, Imma get caught up on Thread 14 and get right on this.
    I don't even know jack about planes, but /tg/ at it's height of cooperative creativity is mighty to behold.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:31 No.8765009
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    Truly a great thing! (Pic related to the Pointe Noire mission)
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:33 No.8765048
    "accompanying consequences"

    "accessory outcomes"

    "Side-effect squadron"

    "Flock of repercussions"
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:35 No.8765069
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    "Dirty deeds"

    (Done dirt Cheap)
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:40 No.8765187
    >"Flock of repercussions"
    I dig this one.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:41 No.8765215
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    I can't wait until one of you guys gets a Tom Cat.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:42 No.8765226
    I just caught up with the last mission on 1d4.

    Holy Jesus man, the civillian casaulties are in four digits already, and you've had what, five sorties so far? How is there not a task force dedicated to the single goal of bringing you down?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:44 No.8765261
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    Of course, you could always go Razgriz Squadron.

    Ghosts of Razgriz.

    Demons of Razgriz.

    Martian Successor Razgriz

    Ragriz: The Razgrizing

    Razgriz Hammer

    War Razgriz


    First Encounter Assault Razgriz.

    Ace Razgriz

    No One Razgrixes Forevers

    The Razgriz is not Enough

    Legend of Razgriz Link to the AMRAAM
    I'll stop before I hurt myself...
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:44 No.8765264
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    This guy is in charge of 'image management'
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:45 No.8765280
    >"Dirty deeds"
    >(Done with Sheep)
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:47 No.8765318
    They do have a scot in the squadron...
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:47 No.8765333
    >Done dirt Cheap

    I don't know about cheap. I haven't found a clear price tag for an exocet, but it's probably in the million range. Plus there's buying intel and fuel and such...

    war is fucking expensive
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:50 No.8765384

    I hate you guys, since I am now 150 bucks poorer, and will be watching Top Gun in 30 minutes.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)17:51 No.8765406
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    You are welcome.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:07 No.8765668
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    Bump for awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:24 No.8765946
    On a related note, anybody got a link to the Air War C21 rules the game is based on?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:24 No.8765949
    "Men of Dubious Morals who have Planes and will Bomb Things for Money"
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:26 No.8765989
    Sukhoi posted it in one of the previous threads, around eight/ten I think.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:31 No.8766095
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    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:33 No.8766131

    Thanks, found it, thread 10.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:34 No.8766141
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    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:39 No.8766223
    That movie is pure 80s.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)18:47 No.8766369
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    Well op, I'm waiting as well. I think I'll start writing up some stuff based on your last mission or two. Also got some stuff today on the drive home from work, added to my kitchen table/workbench. If I can find my camera I'll toss that up.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)18:49 No.8766389

    OP, you inspired real emotion in me when I read you had hit a cruise liner. My gosh.

    Just...be careful next time.
    And tell us if you'll upgrade your plane to a Tornado or Super Hornet or whatever.

    By the way, where do you work?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:02 No.8766555
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    This anon again.

    I think you guys should be Grenadier Flight, based off pic, and your tendency to hit not only the target, but anyone nearby as well ought to be mentioned.
    >> Boomer !!MBwbEofHcyx 03/24/10(Wed)19:06 No.8766604
    I loved that movie.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:06 No.8766617
    Horseshoe Flight. Because close only counts in horse shoes and napalm.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:07 No.8766637
    OP again
    I do IT for the Federal Gov.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)19:08 No.8766652
    Cluster bombs are highly accurate. They always hit the ground.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:09 No.8766668

    And what do they think about you napalming Congolese dockworkers and sinking cruise ships on your spare time?

    Ah... low one, I know.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:09 No.8766670
    Hardly a suitable name for a mercenary group that's looking for employment.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:18 No.8766786
    You guys don't need a name. With what all you've done. A name is like a calling card and you don't need that. You aren't pounding the pavement for jobs, you have corperate to do that. There's no need to create a buzz, just fly and get paid.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)19:20 No.8766827
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    I disagree. They're pilots. Worse, they are fighter pilots. That means they NEED a name.

    My suggestion:
    "Hell's Black Aces"
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:21 No.8766845

    Also, with a few more missions like this there is bound to pop up a couple of conspiracy theories about the rumored wing of planes seen at different incidents. They'll probably give you a good enough name.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:26 No.8766905

    To be honest, I do like Horseshoe Flight better, but still feel they deserve a cooler name.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:28 No.8766947
    I like that a lot actually.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:28 No.8766949
    OP random question, just to clear something up for me. You guys work for a PMC who gets these missions and there are other wings. Are their other groups out there? IE: Other PMC's doing the same job or doing ground related stuff? Reason why I ask might account for the Hummers at the port.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:29 No.8766971
    The OPs group:
    2 Phantoms (1 OP)
    1 Mirage (Viggen after 3rd mission)
    1 F-111
    1 Su-27

    Mission 1:
    They bombed a terrorist airfield in Sudan killed a SAM-site, several AA tanks, the runway, fuel depot, command bunker and all terrorist plane. Also, one Sudanese Airforce jet and a few collaterals from blowing up a mobile SAM radar in the middle of a nearby town. Light damage to some of them.

    Mission 2: They bombed a few bridges and gave CAS to the FFL, including bombign a hospital and a few barges full of civvies.

    Mission 3:
    They sunk a Morrocan patrol vessel and shot down a few Mirages and kidnapped another Mirage and a Learjet carrying the morrocan crown-prince. Light damage to a few.

    Mission 4:
    They escorted a small convoy carrying the crown-prince from a storehouse to a ship in harbour. THe Mirage goit shot down by an Avenger, it was a clusterfuck and they ended up napalming and cluster-bombing the entire dock area, causing a couple hundred incidentals.

    Mission 5:
    They sunk a danish frigate on a UN mission, trying to make it look like a RUSSIAN cruiser did it. To save a few weapons smugglers in ships from getting busted. OP also misidentified something as a Q-ship carrier of the UN and sunk it. Said "something" being the Queen Elisabeth, a cruise liner. Killed about 800 or so civvies.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:29 No.8766977
    not op, but since in the real world there are tons of PMCs, i'd say that would be a good guess about the hummers.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:34 No.8767060
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    What are you talking about? What is this "game" you are speaking of?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:39 No.8767142
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    Scotch was the one who got the idea of posing as a russian cruiser, right?

    So, how long until the guys in the pic knock at his door for a "chat" about this whole thing?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:47 No.8767295
    have rules been posted yet?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:53 No.8767393
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)19:55 No.8767427
    Cool, thanks bro.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/24/10(Wed)19:57 No.8767462
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    >Mission 2:

    It should be noted that at least in this incident the incidentals were largely the fault of the FFL who designated the hospital a target and told the Mercs that the boats in the river were hostile targets.

    >Mission 3:
    The Moroccan Osprey 50 was not sunk, just strafed one or twice by the 'Vark at supersonic speeds. Cosmetic damage at most.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/24/10(Wed)19:58 No.8767482
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    The core rules have been posted. GM Steve's modifications (Adding in an RPG style skill/talent system and some adjustments) have not however.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:06 No.8767645
    No, it was Sandman. Scotch is the...Mirage...that's upgrading.

    Hugs is the Flanker.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:06 No.8767650
    Flankers Rule?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:08 No.8767682
    Yes, that is the .pdf. The other .pdf is titled...um...something akin to "Raptors are Cool but Flankers Rule"

    Sorry, it should've been on my desktop.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:09 No.8767695

    A collection of miserable-looking industrial designers, model-makers and R&D staff waited awkwardly around a boardroom table in a room filled with posters. G.I. Joe stared down at them while a Cobra base exploded in the background. Two kids were engaged in a game of Battleship, the little girl celebrating a hit while the boy facepalmed. There was Clue box art that had been proposed but turned down.

    On the table were several 1:144 scale toys- mostly jet fighters, from all nations and ages. Set aside from this variety of planes were a Flanker, two variations on the F4, a Mirage, and an F111 Aardvark. Thanks to these five—rather, their real-life counterparts—the entire brand was in question. One nervous developer was swinging the ‘vark’s wings open… then shut… open… then shut.

    They had even completed a preliminary run of the action figures. Coming up with characters had, of course, taken a fair amount of imagination in light of the scarce information surrounding the actual pilots, not to mention a little work in figuring how to make the Sandman toy dance when the MP3 player in his Aardvark was activated. Scotty looked more or less like Groundskeeper Willie in a tartan flight suit and Bearhugs was re-branded as “DA GRIZZLY” when, in the parlance of 12-year-old boys, his previous callsign was described as “pretty gay,” but the toy line had received a largely positive response from focus groups.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:10 No.8767707
    A small team from Marketing appeared in the door to the room, assessed the people assembled, then moved in. The last person shut the door and turned on more lights. A collective sigh passed through the room.

    “Well, I guess we should get this meeting over with,” the senior staff member from marketing said, picking up the Flanker and examining the toy. She examined it for a little longer than necessary, then put the jet down. “They look great guys, but… I mean… do I really have to say it? There’s nowhere we can go. We wrote up a few possible campaigns, but I don’t think there’s any point in continuing on this one.”

    “We’re halfway done Scotty’s new plane,” said someone from the workshop team. “Jerry was looking at taking the Mirage to market with a working ejector seat.”

    The senior from marketing stared at him until someone else finally piped up: “They just sent three thousand tourists for a swim in the South Atlantic. We can’t sell these fucking things.”
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:11 No.8767726
    Sky Knights! had held a lot of promise in the 8-15 boys segment. The news frequently made their exploits seem daring, much more exciting, at least, than counterinsurgency and roadside bombs. Too many American boys had big brothers in real shitstorms—how many American boys had big brothers who flew their very own jets, went out there on their own, and soared to victory? None, and in so many circles these mercenaries were received as ronin, masterless warriors.

    These guys could be Ninja Turtles but supersonic; G.I. Joe, but self-made, not patriots but individuals. Knights in the sky: man existing alone, taking the on world, several thousand feet up and yet closely bound with all being by virtue of living so close to the edge of it. Amazing.

    Then the knights went and dropped napalm on a Congolese port town. Okay, simple enough: time to recast them as bad guys, and shift the focus to the mercenaries tangoing with the Pakistan Air Force over the Khyber Pass, or those privately owned Jaguars stalking the Colombian border. A little marketing backflip, maybe, but every line had to have its villains. Villains could be fun.

    Villains who fragged a Danish corvette and a British cruise ship, however, had the predictable effect of drying up anyone’s appetite for private air forces.
    Suddenly Hasbro could be pretty sure that no parent would buy their kid any toy plane with spring-loaded Exocets. Someone had made a joke about getting started on a cruise ship with Realistic Battle Damage™. He had been told to pack up his things and kindly leave the company.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:11 No.8767730
    OP again

    BlackFlag Internal Document #100337

    Mission Briefing “Gold Rush”
    Deployment: Kitona
    Pancake: Kisangani
    Alternate: Luanda (Angola)
    AAR: Il-78 Midas “Conoco” available
    AWACS: R-99 “Bird Dog” available temporarily
    CSAR: None

    Contract Employer: Internal Emergency Tasking

    Objective: Cover our withdrawal from Kitona.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:12 No.8767739
    Background: Seems like we aren't out of the woods yet. Airfield security picked up a suspicious person who had been hanging around for several days. After a brief interrogation, we found he was an informant for the United Kingdom, and it seems like he's been documenting when our aircraft have departed and arrived. Our intel sources confirm that there has been a lot of traffic in their Ministry of Defence, so most likely our spin control will not enable us to keep this incident contained, and the British will be launching a reprisal strike soon. We're not taking any chances. As of 0300, we began evacuating our temporary facilities here at Kitona. All available air transport craft have been diverted to assist in the airlift. We suspect that the UK's Invincible class carrier, the HMS Ark Royal is currently moving into position at best speed, although they've apparently been enforcing strict radio discipline and cloud cover continues to negate our satellite overflights. We've been lucky, it looks like the Royal Navy is playing their cards close to their chest, and have decided to not stir up a public furor about the MS Queen Vic, maybe trying to put us at ease while they prepare to hit us. In any case, on first contact from Bird Dog, intercept and delay the strike package for as long as possible. We should be completely clear of the airfield within the next six hours, but every second you buy us counts. Protect the transports to the best of your ability, and then withdraw to op point Baker and meet up with Conoco for refuelling and escort to Kisangani.
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)20:13 No.8767753

    This sounds like a fighting retreat, whatever it is...
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:13 No.8767758
    OP again
    HUMINT: We couldn't get much more out of the informer, he died before the interrogation was over.
    ELINT: Nothing yet.
    SATINT: Cloud Cover has hindered our data collection.
    Air Assets: Unknown. Protect the 4x C-27J, 2 AN-12s, 2 IL-76 and 1 AN-22.
    Surface Assets: HMS Ark Royal, Unknown escorts.

    Threat Assessment: Unknown. Royal Navy doctrine will require them to have visuals on targets before firing, but once they've established that their not shooting at a civilian airliner or airfield, you can expect the strikes to begin. We're expecting a cruise missile strike on the airfield no more than 15 minutes after their initial strike force confirms our presence.

    ROE: Engage at will. Aircraft attacking the transport planes are priority targets.

    So it looks like this is my fault...
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)20:15 No.8767787
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    >UK's Invincible class carrier, the HMS Ark Royal is currently moving into position at best speed
    >Don't know where it is

    Ohhhh snap. This is gonna be high-adrenaline, I can tell. And if you fight the British you've got yourself a NATIONAL ENEMY.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:15 No.8767794
    >So it looks like this is my fault..

    Yeah. It does. Talk about calling down the Thunder.
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    >Contract Employer: Internal Emergency Tasking

    >Objective: Cover our withdrawal from Kitona.
    Ohhhhhhhh shit. Here comes the UN.
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)20:17 No.8767827
    >HUMINT: We couldn't get much more out of the informer, he died before the interrogation was over


    >So it looks like this is my fault...


    Forget about fighting that ship itself. If you destroy or even ATTACK a carrier, you're in the hottest water yet. Go for a full Anti-air load and just do your job -- PROTECT THE TRANSPORTS. DO NOT TAKE INITIATIVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:17 No.8767831
    Sounds like Steve's been watching Empire. Make sure you take a grappling hook on this mission, you never know when it could come in handy.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:19 No.8767845
    if you attack a carrier EVERY FIGHTER including advanced Prototypes and Superior weapons systems will destroy you.
    Retreat, you can't win against actually trained military bros
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/24/10(Wed)20:20 No.8767882
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    The good news is that Britain's aircraft carreirs tend to be on the small side, so you'll only be facing about two, three at most squardons. Likely mostly ground attack oriented.

    The bad news is You're still fucked.
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    I like the part where Steve tells them "Yeah, once the strike package finds the airfield, you have 15 minutes to get the hell out of dodge"

    That's exactly how I see all the Destroyers and Frigates acting. "Permission to Fire"

    And then tomahawk spam.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:22 No.8767906
    Eurofighter > all besides the Su and your F-111 is going to be destroyed by all the faster aircraft.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:23 No.8767925
    >HUMINT: We couldn't get much more out of the informer, he died before the interrogation was over.
    MUTHAFUCKIN Old Skool interrogating up in this bitch.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/24/10(Wed)20:25 No.8767971
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    Given what you're about to cost The Company, I don't think BlackFlag is gonna be keeping you on after today. Assuming you survive. The question is what kind of "severance" pack you'll be receiving.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:25 No.8767974
    So what?
    AWACS in the air and then try and take out/lead away the inbound fighters?
    Or just leave a shitload of kit to get trashed on the ground and run for it?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:27 No.8768015
    Can a Eurofighter even take off from such a small carrier?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:27 No.8768019
    The UK can't put Eurofighters on their Carrier.

    It'll be Harriers at best. Unless Steve is a dick and says that the F-35B is in uk service.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:27 No.8768022
    The sheer ratio of Eurofighters means that even if and that is IF all your missiles hit, you will fail just due to numbers. ANd they might have BLACK BALL STEALTH COATINGS
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:29 No.8768058
    Oh shit, an Invincible. That means upwards to two dozen pissed-off Harriers coming your way and hooo boy, will they be out for blood.

    Well, see the positive side: If the British get you first, it means you won't have to fear Spetsnaz busting down your door in the middle of the night. :)
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)20:29 No.8768060
    He got it right. UK doesn't have naval eurofighters that I know of, nor do they plan to. Now, if op had pissed off the french... Well, we'd have Rafales wiping the floor with op's group.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:30 No.8768086

    looked up the Ark Royal and apparently it carries BAE Harrier II, Westland Sea King, and the AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:31 No.8768094
    >Unless Steve is a dick and says that the F-35B is in uk service.

    Ask Steve about that, OP: If they got F-35s, you can forget about even trying to fight them once they roll in. Just run for it and forget about the transport if that's the case.
    >> teka 03/24/10(Wed)20:31 No.8768100
    too late to flush your bank accounts into something mobile and run away?

    Or build a fake Rock Ridge, I mean, Mercenary Airbase to distract the strikers while you ship everything out on trucks?

    or at least get some old crop dusters, mobile homes, junk like that to clutter up your airbase. Make it look inhabited and unthreatening. Hell, blow a couple million on a traveling carvival (or convince them that your airfield is a fairground) and let them set up in a blaze of lights and cotton candy fumes.

    maybe you can make someone Else into "horrible civilian casualties scapegoat" while vamoosing/delaying.

    paint THEY WENT THATTAWAY and a huge arrow on top of your buildings and grounds, with the arrow pointing the wrong way?

    think outside the ammo box.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:31 No.8768104
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    And another thread on the way to 300+posts of awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:32 No.8768107

    Isn't the F-35 an air-to-ground aircraft?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:32 No.8768110

    As previous anons have stated, there are no carrier-based Eurofighters, and the UK is waiting for F-35 for that role. The Indian navy has requested for a carrier-based variant though, it remains to be seen if one is ever made.

    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:35 No.8768174
    It can still carry AMRAAMS and only the Su-27 has even a chance of actually SEEING those fuckers before they start the massacre.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:35 No.8768177
    Well, it was fun as long as it lasted.

    Good luck OP.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)20:35 No.8768179
    It's "Multi-role" with a focus on strike ops. All that means it is shit at everything, and a little less shit at strike. Still, it's a generation ahead of most of OPs aircraft, save the Flanker. Still, the B version sacrifices a lot of payload to be able to have STOV/L, so if they're coming in for a strike, probably 3/4s of the flight will have no air to air of note, and will be heavy. The other 1/4 is what you'd have to worry about.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:35 No.8768185
    F-35 is supposed to be the new EL GENERICO plane.

    Though as the wrong Anon, it won't be as bad, but still the harrier is nothing to trifle with. Instead of RAEP it will be "FFFFFFF"
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)20:37 No.8768214
    I wish people would get this straight, the F-35 is low observable, not stealth. If they carry external stores (a necessity since internal capacity is shit) their RCS goes up to normal aircraft levels.
    From a personal standpoint, I think most low observable tech is garbage in a stand up fight.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:40 No.8768282
    IRST is going to do jack shit against AIMRAAM carrying stealth aircraft.

    BTW, is this setting enough in the future that Meteors are in use?
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)20:40 No.8768287
    Yes. "Stealth" is the F-117 or B-2.
    Even the Raptor is stealthy only from the front. From the sides or rear it's visible enough.

    The F-35's "stealthy part" is its top.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 03/24/10(Wed)20:40 No.8768295
    Realistically it is, though with Black Ball paint it reduces Radar Signatures, so that is somewhat of a risk you are taking.

    The future is UCAVs, they are unmanned, and need no pilots to destroy your meatbag groups.

    Midboss suggestion, F-16Drone custom, or worse, a prototype F-22 like plane. just one, no pilot. Jam or Run, your choice.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)20:42 No.8768342
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    One of my favourite pictures to post when the topic switches to the JSF.

    Not mine, but funny.
    >The Joint Strike Fighter best compares in its roles and missions, sizing and relative capabilities to the Republic F-105D Thunderchief, the workhorse of the US bombing effort during the Vietnam conflict. What is remarkable is the extent to which a similar roles/missions requirement, defined almost four decades later, produced a combat aircraft of nearly identical size and weight. Like the F-105, the JSF is not designed to be a top end air superiority fighter, but is designed with was intended to be a robust self defence capability.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:43 No.8768359
    >The future is UCAVs, they are unmanned, and need no pilots to destroy your meatbag groups.

    They also suffer massively from signal lag and jamming, making them only good for slaughtering third world airforces.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)20:44 No.8768382
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    This one is for Sandman if he ever reads these.
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)20:44 No.8768384
    And since AWACS support is provided (temporarily) for this mission, jamming should be a possibility.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 03/24/10(Wed)20:44 No.8768397
    As an engineer this makes sense. There realistically are only so many design/profiles for a high end craft, so the odds of recycling are pretty high. I mean look at civilian aircraft, at this point there are only 5 basic large capacity airbodies, everything else is just materials science.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 03/24/10(Wed)20:45 No.8768411
    self flying UCAVs bro. They already exist, and with better technology, they will be the death of manned combat flight. just set it and forget it.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)20:47 No.8768440
    I'll be back in a bit.

    OP, if you can, here's my mission advice: Don't cheap out, get as much high end anti-air hardware as you can stuff onto that Phantom. Same goes for your buddies.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:48 No.8768461
    They also won't get the ability to pull the trigger themselves for decades at the least. and even then, they'd still suffer massively from jamming and from being predictable as fuck. And being predictable means being dead.
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)20:48 No.8768465
    Sukhoi and I have the same idea. Really, though, Baron, stay on defense.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:53 No.8768538
    GAH. I just got caught up in on the last mission. 485 dead 1076 wounded good job assholes.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:53 No.8768548
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    Fuck that, you better go nape another cruise liner to get the Brits off your trail.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)20:59 No.8768653
    How to win this mission: surrender, serve your prison sentences.
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)21:00 No.8768670
    And what do you think the prison sentence for mass murder with military hardware is, hm? Less than two lifetimes?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:01 No.8768698
    Fuck defense, load up on anti-shipping missiles and make a run for the carrier, every hostile fighter in the hemisphere will forget about the air base and chase you. If you survive, you'll be famous.

    How big is the crew on an aircraft carrier? OP might be able to outdo himself again.
    >> Revered Leader 03/24/10(Wed)21:03 No.8768746
    If you SURVIVE you will be an internationally wanted man.

    But I will ignore the Khornate trolls for now on.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:05 No.8768769
    If Steve's as well informed as he seems up to now he will have read up on Wikipedia and know that the Lightning II's don't come in until after the QEII class carriers roll out, this means Harrier GR9's which have no radar but may be carrying up to six heat seekers each.
    Either that or the RAF will send Typhoons with drop tanks on a long range sortie from Cyprus.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:05 No.8768782

    Let's not forget that the carrier and its escort will be equipped with heavy duty AA, as well as target priority for all of its fighters will be to shoot them down once they realize they are going for the ships.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:07 No.8768820

    I think its safe to assume that the OP is already an internationally wanted man, they sent a fucking carrier after him. "Blaze of Glory" is one of the few options remaining at this point.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/24/10(Wed)21:07 No.8768822
    >Either that or the RAF will send Typhoons with drop tanks on a long range sortie from Cyprus.

    Does the RAF have mid-air fueling assets?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:08 No.8768835

    I'd try for this. Honestly, the Harrier is a VERY slow plane, everyone taking anti-ship missiles and just launching everything at the carrier from long range, then bugging out might be the best option.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:11 No.8768904
    I'm pretty sure they'd have sent some escorts along with the carrier and that almost negates any possibility of attempting to sink the ships.

    Full AA and hope you don't get shot to pieces.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:13 No.8768946
    >If you survive, you'll be famous.

    He'll also have the entirety of NATO wanting his head on a platter.

    The company is still fogging the issue up, so there's an actual chance left. It seems the Brits know only that the strike came from that airfield, not who exactly did it.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:14 No.8768958
    >> teka 03/24/10(Wed)21:15 No.8768988
    get some el-cheapo planes, fit them as drones and send them in formation towards the carrier, blazing radar and fire-control stuff.

    Everyone on the hemisphere freaks the hell out while you stealthily sneak away some other direction
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:15 No.8768993
    Are any of the other merc flights sticking around to help?
    Or are they stationed too far away to help?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:17 No.8769025

    Heh, would be awesome if the Hussars or Jaegers show up in the nick of time.

    Probably not, but still.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:19 No.8769079
    I think, at this stage this is exactly what the player are there for: MK I drones.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:27 No.8769238
    So let's seriously consider a few of the transport planes getting shot down. Will the Brits stop there?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:30 No.8769298

    They sent a carrier. Their going to kill everyone they can. Running is the best plan.. shooting a few down and then running is second best. Trying to fight for to long and its game over.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:32 No.8769331
    they will take the survivors and rape them with various pointy objects

    dem brits don`t look too kindly on people sinking their ships
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)21:33 No.8769339
    Herd some civilian airliners into the combat zone and see how eager the brits are to start shooting. Op is already going to hell.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)22:25 No.8770257
    Well, this is no surprise. Glad to see your GM is willing to apply consequences for your actions. And sorry, but I'm rooting for the British this time. Hope you like Harrier spam.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)22:44 No.8770659
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    Royal Navy?

    Oh, shit, you're fucked.

    Ark royal? that's trouble. a Type 45 "dauntless" class Destroyer? Say goodbye to this mortal coil.
    7200 tonnes displacement, reduced radar signature systems, Principal Anti Air Missile System (PAAMS / Sea Viper) with integrated, automated C&C , SAMPSON AESA radar - possibly the most advanced air defence/control radar system in the world, with a 400km range and capability to multitask hundreds or targets...

    and 48 MBDA Aster 15-30 vertical launch anti-air missiles, with a combat range of up to 125km.

    If there's a type45, you're fucked. it is the most advanced warship in its class in service worldwide.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)22:45 No.8770671
    No time to outfit them I'm guessing. The whole tone of the message/tasking order is "MOVE! NOW!"
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)22:47 No.8770717
    I'm actaully rooting for squadron's first warcrime. Seeing as things have already gotten worse (repeatedly) I'm kinda curious to see just how bad the players can make things. Blowing a high explosive hole or two through the arc royal would fit the bill quite nicely.

    ...but the right way to try and survive would be to run for the hill under full afterburner.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)22:55 No.8770865
    >Does the RAF have mid-air fueling assets?

    16 K3/K4 class tankers.

    that'll cover the entire eurofighter fleet, if needs be.

    nevermind the Ark Royal's 20 Sea Harrier FA2s with lookdown antiaircft capability BVR with the AIM-120 missile....
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)22:58 No.8770917
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    >Harrier spam

    Your. Fired.
    >> OnetimeTrip !!1ihovTcMOSN 03/24/10(Wed)22:59 No.8770929
    I'm glad im not the only one that's looking forward to seeing the OP's group take some lumps, but still win.

    Because nothing makes WAR CRIMES TRIAL the Rpg fun at all. And Summary Exicution is just a DM railroading game.

    Also, fuck yeah, this reminds me of Ace Combat 6, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Fighting against the odds, getting fucked over, then BAM! your buddies all come in and blow shit to hell. But this isn't AC, so I don't expect it to be quite like that.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)22:59 No.8770934
    Harrier can't carry the Aim-120.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)23:01 No.8770963
    I'll clarify before anyone jumps on my comment.

    The Ark Royal's harriers are not AMRAAM compatible.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:02 No.8770972
    Given how gritty this game is, a last minute rescue doesn't seem likely.

    Given how AWESOME this game is, a last minute rescue is exactly what's going to happen.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:02 No.8770985

    "OK. As your DM, I'm going to give you a free hand toward your own actions. But if you screw things up for yourself, I won't be pulling any punches."

    Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Hagueroading.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)23:04 No.8771015
    I think if op's company could, they wouldn't trust the rescue/retreat op to just op's flight. Positioning aircraft is tough, this all screams last minute operation. They're doing the best with what they can. Throwing more planes into the battle against an unknown number of opponents seems like a losing prospect from a purely corporate standpoint.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:06 No.8771046
    It's not like the British will let Blackflag go regardless of whether they've executed the ones directly responsible for the Queen Elizabeth fiasco. The company is better served by keeping OP's flight on their service.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:07 No.8771061
    It was mentioned upthread that the PMC has more squadrons than just our band of aerial warcrimes.

    >Jaeger Flight
    >Rock Ready
    >Blackwood's Hussars
    >Badger Flight

    Are any of these guys involved, or have our little offenders been left to turn out the lights solo?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:08 No.8771075
    >Harrier can't carry the Aim-120.

    FA2 spec Sea Harrier does.
    Not sure if all the FA2's hav been withdrawn however,
    if they have, then its GR9s which cant.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)23:09 No.8771101
    See my second post ;)
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:11 No.8771137
    saw it after I'd posted.

    regardless, the harriers are small fry compared to the anal rape that's going to happen if there's a Type45 Destroyer alongside the Ark Royal.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:13 No.8771161
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    The one time in that game I thought I found a niche for the F-117, that mission, and I saw what happened after completing the initial objective, was similar to pic.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)23:14 No.8771180
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    Only if OP decides to hunt the carrier, is that destroyer a problem. And even then, there are long range solutions...

    Also, found the camera, figured I'd take a photo of my current workspace, since it's been influenced by all these posts.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:15 No.8771208
    Either that missile & plane s huge or I've been seriously underestimating the size of the Flanker.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:16 No.8771223
    if they're in the air and within 400 kilometres of that destroyer, its a problem.

    if they're in the air and within 120km... its their funeral.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:18 No.8771250
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    I know it's not the right sort of carrier at all, but I'm terrible with compositing so it was easier to use a picture that already had an explosion.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:19 No.8771265
    Flanker's 48 ft wingspan, 72 ft long. to put that in scale, a phntom is 38 ft wingspan, and 63ft long...
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/24/10(Wed)23:20 No.8771277
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    Just found thread, reading now. CIA story has been updated on wiki to denote Steve's assertion that the US didn't place the Avenger, and generally improved upon otherwise.

    Anyway, catching up now.
    >> teka 03/24/10(Wed)23:21 No.8771299
    >big missile
    ribbed for their pleasure?

    >> OnetimeTrip !!1ihovTcMOSN 03/24/10(Wed)23:31 No.8771420
    I wouldn't call it a rescue, more like a "we're not trusting everything on one flight of our guys". OP and his crew have done some wicked stunts, but Mobius One they isn't. Personally, in the PMC's shoes, I'd be screaming on the horn FOR EVERY FUCKING BODY, NOW! Also, calling in every chip, marker, debt, anything I could think of to keep the brits off my ass long enough to run safely.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)23:32 No.8771434
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    You're underestimating the size of a flanker. They are HUGE planes.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:32 No.8771444
    Ribbed for no one's pleasure but its own. It is a truly selfish lover.

    what the dicks?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/24/10(Wed)23:42 No.8771596
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    As promised, my kitchen table.
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:51 No.8771749
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    Motherfuck. So much want!
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:53 No.8771767
    Foam Flankers. Did you create those yourself?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:54 No.8771787
    Sea Harriers have been gone since 2006. GR9's have no radar so they are heat seeker only. GR9's are subsonic so running away is a good option. Medium range missiles and drop tanks are the way to go, the question is where do you land and how do you avoid being tracked?
    >> Anonymous 03/24/10(Wed)23:56 No.8771821
    At first glance I though you had scraps in those plastic bags, but on closer inspection MORE FLANKERS? What the hell?
    >> OnetimeTrip !!1ihovTcMOSN 03/24/10(Wed)23:58 No.8771857
    Batttletech, planes and tanks. You make me so happy.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:00 No.8771877
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    Not enough Flankers. Need to be able to flank any two points on a sphere. Then enough Flankers will be had.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:05 No.8771961
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    They're not foam, they are metal. I'm sanding down imperfections, and then etching in panel lines before priming.

    Yes, those are 1/3000th scale flankers I believe. Have 16 of them, and 16 Fulcrums in the other baggie.

    No problem guy.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:12 No.8772085
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    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:14 No.8772119
    >1/3000th scale

    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:15 No.8772143
    Shit... I'd be happy to own HALF of what you are working on,
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:16 No.8772153
    Artillery support.
    We need something that can hit that cruiser; getting close to it isn't an option.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:17 No.8772168
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    Like this?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:18 No.8772189
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    Or this?

    Well, the planes are cheap, and the little tanks come in packs of five at 2 bucks a tank.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)00:19 No.8772198

    I'm thinking it would take a god damn swarm of anti-ship missiles to even hope of damaging, let alone sinking, the Ark Royal with all the CIW defenses it and it's escorts are likely to be packing.

    An attack is ill-advised, better to focus on defending what you can.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:19 No.8772206

    Well, we have 3 options here.
    #1: Long-range the ships, trollface.jpg any currently airborne hostiles, run like fuck
    #2: Stay the fuck away from the ships, engage any hostiles closing in on our escort, run like fuck (with the escort)
    #3: Run like fuck from the beginning.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:21 No.8772236

    Where'd you get those primed tanks?
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:23 No.8772274
    Obviously #2. This isn't something the OP can walk away from -- it's his company. The price of failure is either nigh-bankruptcy or capture/death of the OP's crew.
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)00:23 No.8772279
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    Ach, I've been found.
    Yeah, to be honest I'm not sure what the hell is happening in that .gif. Have another

    From what I understand, should it not be fairly simple, with AWACS support, for OP's group to loiter above the operations ceiling of the VTOL shitbirds and then dip in and wreck each squadron as they come in, never allowing visual conformation?

    I mean, given the vastly inferior nature, from an A-to-A standpoint, of their opponents, play predator in the clouds, let them come in on a transport plane and then come from above in like an owl snapping mice out of a field.

    Am I wrong in this?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:26 No.8772320
    From a shop in town. I looked for a mold name, says Quality castings, so that should get you pointed in the right direction.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:28 No.8772342

    the heli gif is a ground resonance test - effectively vibrations at the wrong frequency, creating harmonics in the structure till it destroys itself.

    sort of like a badly balanced wheel on a car... only worse.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:30 No.8772373
    AWACS support is "temporary." Don't know how long that is but it's clear it isn't for the whole mission, like last time.

    You're escorting cargo and transport planes. The Brits could attack at any time during your exit -- you may be attacked before all the planes are off the ground, maybe before all of your own planes are off. Knowing Steve as we do, I'd probably count on it.

    It's not a simple "defend against Harriers, here's an AWACS to help" mission.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)00:31 No.8772390
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    I'm pretty sure "Unless fired upon" should be tagged at the end of that "Visual ID". The second the Mercs open up they're gonna start shooting back even if BVR.

    And do you really expect the Brits to just lemming in? They're gonna have some kind of plan.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:35 No.8772444
    Naw, they're gonna lemming in.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:38 No.8772502
    Split into two groups. Group one packs the long-range anti-ship missiles. They circle around to approach the carrier group *away* from the merc's base. Fire their missiles at extreme range, then book it out of there at full burn. Again, heading *away* from merc's base. Goal here is to lead them on a wild goose chase. If you get *really* lucky, you'll put a hole in one of their boats and force them to stop or slow down, but don't get shot down trying to be a hero (supervillain?)

    Group two will be the anti-air group. Their job is to bail out group one if they get in trouble, and to make sure they intercept any aircraft that start getting too close to the *real* base.
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)00:38 No.8772506
    Well what I mean is to be proactive, snap up as many harriers as you can hit and run /outside/ the carrier groups defensive net, but while they're still enroute to your base.

    I'm trying to keep there from ever being a cruise missile strike because no harrier ever gets Mk1s on the runway in the first place, and the transports are left unmolested because the shitbird wings are tied up trying to handle whatever's making them randomly explode.

    Granted, this doesn't account for the Steve factor, but what does?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:42 No.8772561
    The Steve factor is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:43 No.8772589
    Ooooh. I like this plan a lot better than my 'two groups' plan, especially since there is no way the Brits are going to come in without air cover and a full radar net (unlike a certain UN fleet). Odds are very good you'll be spotted on your way in no matter what you do.

    I don't know how vulnerable trained harrier pilots will be to long-range missile sniping, but it shouldn't matter too much. Just make sure your target selection doesn't accidentally lead them right to your base.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:45 No.8772608
    in BattleTech you can all the equipment you want with no worries about logistics or maintenance or supplies
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:47 No.8772632
    Team 1 approach from 30 degrees out, snipe and retreat - Team 2 drop in from cover and ambush anything incoming to either Team 2 or the convoy?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:48 No.8772644

    Tac and Strat ops disagree with you.
    >> Plane writefaggotry that is unrelated to OP's mission Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)00:49 No.8772664
    I adjust the azimuth on my radar to forty degrees, four bars; my F/A-18E’s invisible beam slowly scanning the sky for any threats that may be ahead of us. The green bar on the right-most MPD slowly bounces back and forth in front of a black background. No blips, no danger.

    Taking a deep breath, I look out the cockpit, a gray carpet of clouds block my view of the land below. Above the gray is an endless blue sky and a shining sun; it’s a damn shame the people below can’t enjoy the good weather up here. Your mind tends to wander a bit when flying combat air patrol. I shake my head a bit and look back to the MPD, still no blips.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:50 No.8772672
    That would require us knowing where the carrier and any potential escorts are at. We don't. The transports are already going as fast as they can whether the carrier arrives or not.

    When I think of a carrier, I imagine it having escorts. This makes it into a small fleet. And when I think of a fleet, I do not think of it being suppressed by older, weaker planes firing missiles from anti-ship range. I think of a net of ships able to defend against missiles and keep going on to wherever they want to go.

    I also can't imagine they WOULDN'T have at least one aircraft above their fleet as they near the airbase.

    In other words, I think you guys are seriously underestimating the enemy's potential.
    >> Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)00:51 No.8772685

    “I hope you’re not dozing off back there.” A voice crackles over the radio, my commander flying ahead seems to be looking directly at me. “No sir, just taking in the beautiful scenery.” I can just barely see him shaking his head “Why don’t you pay attention to your radar?” A man can only stare at a bunch of nothing on a green and black screen for so long, but it’s still better than being caught off guard.

    A few minutes pass by; back, forth, back, forth – wait. “Sir, I picked up something.” “I see them too, I’ve got two unknowns on radar.” The commander relays the info to our E-2, and sure enough we are given confirmation that they are enemy MiG-29s and permission to engage. Finally, some action!
    >> Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)00:52 No.8772702

    My commander’s jet rolls to the right as he makes a slow turn toward the targets, I immediately follow. I instinctively push the air-to-air master mode button, and lock in my target. It looks like they know we’ve spotted them, the little square in my MPD slowly crawls toward the bottom of the screen.

    I wait just a few more moments, and then the shoot cue on my HUD appears. Imediately, I push the pickle button on my joystick and make a hard right. My AIM-120 AMRAAM blasts forward leaving a long trail of smoke in its wake. Seconds that feel like an eternity pass, no explosion. “Damn it!”
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:53 No.8772723

    This guy's right. This is a post-Falklands British Navy. They're going to be ready for the old planes spamming Exocets.
    >> Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)00:53 No.8772724

    I turn back toward the enemy aircraft, they’re now far too close for AMRAAM’s to be effective, better switch to my sidewinders. The tone of the seeker searching for its target goes off. I pull the joystick closer to my body, I hear more noise as my angle of attack keeps rising. There, my target is right in front of me, two glowing afterburners, the favorite prey of the AIM-9X.

    Another noise and a flashing light come on. No! I’m locked onto! I quickly fire my missile and then fumble to deploy my ALE-50 decoy. The missile lets go of the tip of my wing and boosts forward, but just as it hits the enemy, I too am hit. The master caution light glows a bright yellow as Bitchin’ Betty informs me that both my engines are bleeding air.
    >> Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)00:54 No.8772745

    “Damn it, I’m losing altitude.” I have to eject, now! I reach beneath my seat and pull as hard as I can. Nothing. “What the hell are you waiting for? Get out of that plane, now!” my commander’s voice barks at me over the radio. “I-I can’t! I keep pulling and nothing is happening!” I begin to pound on the canopy with one arm, still trying to pull the ejection handle with the other. Still there’s nothing.

    My plane’s nose pushes its way through the clouds as it spins toward the ground. I keep pounding and screaming, there’s nothing I can do. “I don’t want to die, I don’t want to die! Get me out of here!” I kept shouting it over and over again. “Get me out of here, please!” But there’s nothing I can do, all I can do is slowly watch the ground as it gets closer and closer.
    >> End. Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)00:56 No.8772764

    I begin to calm down, my mind drifting to my wife back at home, my son; they’ll never see me again, will they? I watch the ground spin, mere seconds feeling like an eternity as I imagine the lives of my loved ones without me, how devastated they’ll feel when they receive the letter detailing my death. I can almost hear my son asking where his daddy is, my wife too choked up to answer.

    “I-I’m sorry. I’m sorry I couldn’t come back home.”
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)00:57 No.8772786
    That, and if the British feel like really dropping the hammer, they cna send a couple Typhoons via aerial refueling in to wreck someones shit. And save for the Su-27, OPs group is completely outclassed by that.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)00:57 No.8772790
    The lesson here children is that the F-18 is a piece of shit.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:00 No.8772821
    Heh! I like the way you infer.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)01:01 No.8772845
    Would you expect anything less of me?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)01:05 No.8772884
    Why did this write fag stop? I love it! Seriously, keep going!
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:07 No.8772918
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    Well, he probably liked the F/A-18. Then you come along and you're all "UR PLAIN SUX." He is probably discouraged now.
    Or he just wrote a single story.

    Pic barely related.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)01:09 No.8772943
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    He may have written a single story, but he didn't finish it.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:14 No.8772995
    Really? 'Cause...
    ...that looks like the end. It's even titled "End."

    Nothing wrong with an ending resulting in assumed death.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)01:15 No.8773020
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    Wrong story, check the one I linked.
    >> Noisolpxerd 03/25/10(Thu)01:17 No.8773045

    I think Sukhoi is talking about a different story. The one that was linked to, most likely.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:17 No.8773048
    I'm having some trouble loading this image.
    It's coming out pixelated.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:17 No.8773058

    Blasting this while I take off.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)01:18 No.8773078
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    Booo! Hisss!
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:19 No.8773093
    Russian stealth tech, clearly.

    Sorry 'bout the mix-up Sukhoi.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:22 No.8773115
    Sukhoi, for some odd reason, your posts are full of MiGs?

    What's wrong girl?
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:23 No.8773124
    Wait, why does that plane not have air vents? WHy did they build fake ones under it? Is it a rocket plane?
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:23 No.8773129
    I'm heading out for the night. I hope I have more info from OP to read tomorrow!
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)01:29 No.8773201
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    Oh no, I'm keenly aware of how badly butt fucked the OP's group would be by a modern carrier group, which is why I'm saying they stay the fuck away from them.

    Figuring out a general area to have the AWACS set up should be as simple as figuring out the mission radius of the harriers, how far in the carrier group can set up, and how far from that the airbase actually is. Get those numbers and you can find your ambush zone.

    When Chuck Yeager and Raptor Jesus show up riding the nose cones of Saturn Vs and firing a .45s at the players, as Steve is likely to do, then they'll have a whole other mess to deal with. This should suffice for the harriers though.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:30 No.8773216
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    Thanks. I didn't know whether I could take the joke any further, so I stopped. I'm also kind of stuck on the Jason Cath story.

    Maybe it's because I should be working. Maybe it's because I just really, really want to play a game of this with Steve's RPG rules added on.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:32 No.8773244
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    It is finished, I just have a boner for vignettes.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:38 No.8773306
    Stupid Americans have never participated in such missions, right?
    I remember crap like American special forces in the assault on the palace of Hussein in Iraq.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:39 No.8773318
    This is a good question. If you had an Mp3 player in your jet, what would you blast?
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:41 No.8773348
    Danger Zone on endless loop.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:42 No.8773352

    I can totally see myself humming this while dropping bombs on the Bantu.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)01:44 No.8773375
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    One of my life goals, is should i ever settle down, 'our song' will be Cheap Trick's "Mighty Wings"


    That's it for me tonight.
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)01:49 No.8773448
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    Goddamn coursework, making me miss awesome threads. Oh well, I guess it'll still be going strong tomorrow afternoon.

    All you people lulzing about how fucked they are need to chill. The Harrier isn't an air superiority aircraft, and if that's all that particular carrier can put in the air, OP's group will be able to do their job- stop enemy aircraft from capping the field and vulching uppers-

    -AHEM I mean putting a BARCAP on the field and hanging a POOLS CLOSED sign on the runway by lighting up anybody who tries to get rolling. The real threat is Tomahawk strikes from the Navy hammering the base, but if they have fifteen minutes after their presence is confirmed- well, that's Corporates problem to get their assets airborne before the runway gets nailed. Unless the ships won't start firing until their harriers have a visual confirm on the airbase.

    And Steve's document even said that RAF ROE stipulates visual contact before engaging, and these puppies are not AIM-120 capable, and I don't think Harriers even have airborne fire-control radar, in fact. In short, they have no fucking BVR capacity, while OP's flight most certainly does.

    They also have an assload of anti-shipping missiles, and an enemy task force with insufficient, if any, air superiority cover.

    I say OP should chill out and SACK THE FUCK UP.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:51 No.8773466

    Queen - "One World"


    Mike Reno - "Chasing the Angels"
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:51 No.8773469

    This man has the right idea.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:52 No.8773472

    This is the only correct answer.

    Rammstein would also be suitable
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:56 No.8773520
    Likes Planes, Smart, Author, likes Cheap Trick.

    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)01:57 No.8773534
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    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)01:59 No.8773565
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    The band or the song by the band about the air show disaster?

    Either is good in my book, one is just intensely more ironic than the other.

    Personally this is what I'd be pushing as I rolled over and dropped out of the sky into the middle of a gigantic contrail clusterfuck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shXm0cIeEY
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:00 No.8773582
    The water doesn't look real... But it is? That's a freaky picture. Also, most people don't realize how big these ships are. Oil tankers are maybe a couple metres longer.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)02:04 No.8773657
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    They can't shoot down twenty harriers. Even if a third stay on CAP around the carrier and a third are armed for ground targets, its still a threat. Attacking the carrier group itself would be crazy, even if they succeeded thats just gonna make the UN come after them even harder.

    They definitely stand a good chance of getting most of the transports out, but they're not gonna get away scott-free, I'm sure there is gonna be losses somewhere. I'm wonder what kind of wrench the cruiser missile strike might put in things. Especially if they use it to crater the runway. Can cruise missiles do such a thing to an extent it'd fuck of transport plane takeoffs?
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)02:05 No.8773661

    this is why "she" cannot possibly exist.

    Sukhoi is a great anon having a giggle, or a sentient AI. No other possibilities exist.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)02:07 No.8773702

    yeesh typos I think I need sleep.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:08 No.8773725
    I'd still let that ai do things to me. Dirty things. I mean, so far sukhoi has been ridiculously awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:08 No.8773735
    Well, whatever it is, it has a working camera...one way to find out.
    Cruise missile probably could, that's way the keep the harriers tied up and burn out when everyone's away idea sounds good.
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)02:09 No.8773749

    >Can cruise missiles do such a thing to an extent it'd fuck of transport plane takeoffs?

    You bet your sweet ass they can.

    >They can't shoot down twenty harriers. Even if a third stay on CAP around the carrier and a third are armed for ground targets, its still a threat.

    Quite true. Thankfully, though, they don't need to shoot them all down- just keep them busy till everyone else can get the hell out of dodge. Since OPs group is faster by far, they can control the engagement, to an extent- choose when to fight and when to disengage. A few Exocets lobbed at the battle group at extreme range probably won't score mission kills on the ships (they MIGHT, missiles tend to win in the missiles vs. point defense equation, which is why the emphasis is on keeping their launchers at a distance in the first place,) but it'd do nicely to remind the Royal Navy that BARCAP Is Important, which is a few less Harriers harrying the base (hurr hurrr.)

    If OP really gets bold, he could make a high-speed guns-range pass, which might spook some of the Harriers into dumping their ordinance to lighten up for air combat manuvering, thus making sure they won't drop it on the base.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:12 No.8773782
    How is this:
    Not the prime choice by every planetard here?

    ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANE is the unofficial jet pilot anthem.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:13 No.8773792
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    I used to hate these threads showing up all the time, and then I read them...

    I love you guys so much.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)02:18 No.8773842
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    >You bet your sweet ass they can.

    That is what I figured. Could definitely be a problem. Its incomplete, but the Google maps sat view of Kitona makes it look like there is only one runway. Though I suppose that taxi lane could be used in desperation, dunno if a transport could manage it though.
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)02:22 No.8773896
    This brings up an interesting situation. The fleet knows that these people have no qualms about missiling the tits out of any ships in their AO, and let's face it, the brits are likely a bit skittish about exocets. (I relayed the story of the last mission to a former navy corpman buddy of mine, when I mentioned the exocets he said "oh how very quaint" and when I mentioned the unspoken law about no modified merchantmen being allowed to live Dr. Pepper literally shot from his nose.

    Anyway, The point is that the gap between where they suspect the airfield is and where they launch their birds might be even larger just because of how wary they are of wandering anti-ship platforms.

    Note: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do /NOT/ FIRE ON THE BRITS WITH THE INTENT OF SINKING A MEMBER OF THE BATTLE GROUP. Flinging an exo their way to keep them busy might help, but if you sink one... well, I hope you enjoy being tied to a chair and slotted by the SAS when you land.
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)02:25 No.8773939

    >well, I hope you enjoy being tied to a chair and slotted by the SAS when you land.

    Much more likely for them to hire mercenaries of their OWN, which would lead to an epic furball. Yee-haw.

    >and let's face it, the brits are likely a bit skittish about exocets.

    Which is funny, because the Argentinians did better with iron bombs, last I checked. Against modern naval vessels, no less. If a few more iron bomb fuses hadn't been duds, they probably would have came out on top in that clash.

    I'd be more wary of fucking crazy awesome Argentinians and iron bombs.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:26 No.8773948
    What are the chances that the carrier could be packing something other than harriers? It seems odd to send them up against an opponent with superior planes at their disposal, even if the brits knew they had superior numbers. Given how many enemies the op has made, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that someone else's planes might be hitching a ride on the carrier.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:29 No.8773984
    Because of the Carrier design, I don't think there is anything on that Carrier other than Harriers. The only other aircraft possibility is a Yak something or other, and I doubt that would be on there.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:30 No.8773990
    Don't sell the Harriers short. They're a capable platform.
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    >Thankfully, though, they don't need to shoot them all down- just keep them busy

    'The only way I got to keep dem Harriers busy is let dem shoot holes in me.'
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)02:32 No.8774014
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    We have discussed the possibility of aircraft being sent in long-distance and refueled mid-flight along the way. We should consider the Ark Royal and escorts to be the MINIMUM likely to turn up.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:33 No.8774020
    OMFG! I totally just watched this movie, again!

    Favorite WWII movie by far.
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)02:34 No.8774034
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    Tempted to write up a story about five fighter pilots escaping in the confusion resultant from a five way Blackwater/Black Flag/Moroccan/SAS/Spetsnaz Mexican Standoff, and ensuing firefight.

    Also keenly aware that I have no where near the skill needed to properly execute something that awesome.
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)02:34 No.8774035

    >What are the chances that the carrier could be packing something other than harriers?

    Ni. I just checked, the Invincible class carriers are what us Yanks call "marine assault carriers," that is, they don't have a deck long enough to recover full-size jet fighters with your average arresting-wire landing. Hell, the Invincible doesn't even have a steam catapult. Instead, they serve as mobile platforms for attack helicopters and VTOL aircraft- which is exactly why us yanks call 'em "Marine assault carriers," they carry strike aircraft, not air superiority.

    If you consider that the F-35 is basically supposed to be a VTOL/STOL strike aircraft that can still go supersonic without afterburners, you can see why that's special- it'd allow those chibicarriers to carry planes with credible ability in the air-superiority role.

    So no, no air superiority fighters for the Invincible. Unlimited Harrier Works is bad enough, with VIFF manuvers, heatseakers and the 30mm cannons the Sea Harrier carries, they're nasty in a furball.
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)02:36 No.8774061

    As one who GM's himself, I can tell you that the long-distance airsup package is a Shrodingers Threat. If OPs group does well, they appear. If they have trouble, they don't.
    >> NF !!0F1cKtqWzCb 03/25/10(Thu)02:38 No.8774080
    Yeah, this seems likely to me. The same way I have a sneaking suspicion that Steve came up with the idea of the Cruise ship in the last mission on the fly.

    Because he's my kind of bastard.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:38 No.8774085
    In before Sukhoi or some other planefag!

    Ski-Jump is just as good as steam pult. F-35 does not have supercruise.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:39 No.8774092
    I don't know, op did say that there were a lot of surface targets, they spent part of that mission trying to figure out which ones were the military ships.
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    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)02:50 No.8774244

    >Ski-Jump is just as good as steam pult


    >F-35 does not have supercruise.

    Aaaah maybe? It's tough because there's two variants for two tasks, one of which doesn't actually have the VTOL capability (the Air Force one.) As for supercruise, perhaps the supersonic ability does require afterburners, I don't remember. The F-35 isn't my bag, baby.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)02:54 No.8774310
    Which makes me think the carriers are just a distraction for a back door Typhoon strike.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)04:28 No.8775603
    I think we can all agree at this point that going head-on with the carrier group is a bad idea. Also, given the way past missions have gone, we have to consider the possibility that intel missed something critically important, like enemy air support being brought in from long range.

    I'm still thinking that our best plan is to obviously defend a random point completely in the wrong location from the real airfield in an attempt to draw the enemy off. A few extreme-range exocets probably won't hurt the enemy fleet any, but it'll present a threat they can't ignore. Keep some air-to-air guys watching in case any harriers start getting too close to the real thing.

    Alternative plan - start bombing random civilians and blame it on the Russians.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)06:34 No.8776886
    Why are there no radar satellites in Steve's future? I mean cloud cover? Really? That's so 1952!

    I doubt he will pull a wing of Typhoons out of his ass. A British carrier is plenty to worry about. Harriers might not be superior, but they are dangerous nonetheless. And they wouldn't be out there without some Sea Sparrows or worse.

    They already have the location of the airfield, there's no point trying to conceal it. The Brits had an operative on location ffs! And it's a known strip, no dirt track in the desert.

    If their minds are set on taking out the airfield, let them. It'll give them a sense of accomplishment. Leave some trucks and tents, rig them with fuel tanks, give them a nice explosion. Defend it even at first.

    I don't yet understand how the cargo planes are supposed to disappear. The British radar will show them taking off and flying away. Even if the Harriers can be dissuaded of pursuit, Interpol will just be waiting at the airfield they land on. It's not like an Antonov can dive under radar surveillance or shadow a passenger liner.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)06:57 No.8777082
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    Marry me?

    But seriously, I'm really interested to see how this turns out for OPs group.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)08:41 No.8778034
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    Home Sweet Home

    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)08:49 No.8778107
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    Fuck yeah
    >> hourly bump Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)09:56 No.8778690
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    So the only time when Russian and American jets have actually gone up against each other since F-4 and Mig 21 was some Indian training exercise?

    That is just sad.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)10:02 No.8778750
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    Was the rules ever posted?

    cause if they weren't I think its high time TG got shit done.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)10:13 No.8778852
    The pics a start, but you'll need to do more than that.
    The brits know where the airfield is already.
    That'd be a very long flight from wherever they were based, to the point of being unable to perform it...
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)10:14 No.8778860
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    Thread 10 IIRC, 2 PDFs posted by sukhoi.
    Steve's changes and rules for creating characters and shit haven't been posted yet.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)10:15 No.8778879
    Speaking of Jaeger flight, their name has been popping up in the background in briefings, in a very familiar, foreshadowy fashion. I'm going to wager that when the players finally either become a liability to the company, or outright decide to grow a conscience and refuse to follow some particularily atrocious order, there's going to be an epic final showdown between the two flights.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)10:15 No.8778883
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    Had any more test sessions btw? Unfortunately I don't have any buddies with a real interest in fighter jet awesomeness
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)10:24 No.8778980
    Out of curiosity, what year is this meant to be set in? Presentish obviously, but actually present? If that's the case then the Type 45s aren't an issue because they aren't quite combat ready yet (Unless Daring has finished stage 2 trials, which would be news to me).
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)10:25 No.8778987
    op should ask what the other flights fly.
    I'm waiting on the guy I played with to finish coming up with his campaign setting. I wouldn't call it test sessions anymore, I'm pretty comfortable with the rules now.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)10:36 No.8779079
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    Cool. I take it you'll try to get your hands on a Flanker? :P
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:04 No.8779373
    No more sea-harriers dude (as of 2006), GR9's only now, also no 30mm cannon pods currently. So all OP has to worry about now is the 20 or so jets spamming ASRAM's and Sidewinders at him plus maybe the occasional Maverick or Paveway making kills on the runway.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:05 No.8779377
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    Based on posting history, do you think you really need to ask?

    I'm a typhoon guy myself. Angry looking plane.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:14 No.8779445
    However Op goes about this mission they need to make this a blood bath for the Brits. They've made a powerful enemy who instead of simply exposing them to the world has decided to go blood for blood. For them to survive and enjoy their ill-gotten gains they need to show the British that the military option is not the best avenue for revenge. A few plane loads of flag draped caskets on the evening news will go a long ways toward ensuring that and will also double as some great advertisement to future customers.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:16 No.8779467
    Heeey, this thread's still alive. *reads*


    OP, you're fucked seven ways from Sunday. Even if you get out of there, you're going to spend the rest of your career waiting for that sniper's bullet, knife in the back, poisoned cigar, Hellfire from the Predator.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)11:16 No.8779470
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    I hate how real life has taken me away from these threads just when the real nasty missions start up.

    So we can expect a recon of the airfield before strikes come in since they require visual confirmation. But if that recon is intercepted and destroyed(even if its a full flight of harriers ready to drop their loads on the field too) you can bet your ass that the cruise missiles will be on there way anyway. This is not good because you'll still have transports on the ground loading up. So... options people.

    As was stated before they KNOW its that airfield. Depending on the time between mission brief and the strike itself you may want to go out and "convince" a couple of civilian air liners that they want to land on or circle the field. The brits won't want to attack with civilians on the ground or in the danger zone...unless they some how mistake the civis as base personnel and fire anyway(doubtful).

    If this isn't an option you'll just have to harass the recon flight. Also look in to how difficult it would be to knock down cruise missiles.

    You also may want to have the Vark out at sea to provide distraction. It can outrun any harriers sent its way and if you load it up with enough countermeasures(chaff) he'll at least be something for them to worry about. Load him up with your remaining antiship missiles as well and maybe just fire them across the task force's bow to cause them grief. Or if you feel like really causing a problem(or if things are already going south with other plans) you may have to go for a missile attack.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:19 No.8779507
    After looking into it a bit I have to wonder why the Sea Harrier was withdrawn, given the capabilities lost to the Royal Navy. Was it just a money issue?
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:21 No.8779539
    Right, give the British a bloody nose, that will end well.After all it's not like they might send the SAS or SBS after the mercs in revenge, or call in ally support, or send a heavier task force to get the job done, or hire mercs of their own.

    No, I think OP's best bet is to defend and run, and hope that the brits decide honor has been satisfied with the results of this strike
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:25 No.8779594
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    Just reading up on the ASRAAM. Lock on after launch sounds like a bitch. and that acquisition range is just evil.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:26 No.8779603
    To quote a line from Topgun
    BlackFlag Control: Who's Up there?
    Bird Dog AWC: Hugs and Biscuit, and Baron and Scotch
    BlackFlag Control: Great. (sigh) Baron and Scotch.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:28 No.8779628
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    ... I just have to say that I find the idea of a German sinking a British passenger ship, even if by accident, patently hilarious. Maybe OP could distract the punitive force by finding another passenger ship to screw over nearby...

    As for squadron name, how about "Midnight Bombers"? You're making gravy without the lumps!

    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)11:32 No.8779669
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    That chart is a lie. R-73 has the same range as a ASRAAM, and the R-73M has a 50% range advantage. Not to mention helmet mounted display lock on and 180 degrees off boresight firing capability (archer can hit targets BEHIND you)

    Also, from wiki
    >While ASRAAM was being developed, re-unification of Germany gave the Luftwaffe their first look at the Russian Vympel R-73 missile, known in the west as the AA-11 Archer. This proved to be far more advanced than either the Sidewinder or the ASRAAM, outperforming them particularly in the ability to guide in high off-axis attacks, but also in terms of field of view, acquisition range, maneuverability, ease of target designation, and target lock-on.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:33 No.8779689
    It will show that they have no hesitation taking on the military of a major government in addition to being capable of killing massive numbers of civilians in the course of a job. A bunch of flag draped coffins will send Britain into no holds barred revenge mode, and the rest of the world will look on their eventual destruction as a good thing. These are people that have no qualms about working for the shadiest people, and tend to kill a lot of civilians getting the job done. They will be portrayed as monsters, because they kind of are.

    Civilians everywhere will feel safer with them gone, and major powers will feel better without the possible threat to heir security flying around. Minor powers and independent groups might want to hire them, but will still feel safe in the fact that they won’t be used against them either now that they are dead. And if they do survive, anyone who does hire them will become just as reviled as they are, just be virtue of association. Once this all gets dragged into court or congressional hearings, France is going to catch some flak for hiring them for their first job.

    The only people who will be actively willing to hire them are people with no regard for their personal reputation and are in need of people just as immoral as themselves. Namely, terrorists.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:35 No.8779703
    War on terror. We've been at war since 2002 without increasing military spending during that time. Our military is currently a one trick pony and having a radome in your nose-cone isn't part of that trick.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)11:38 No.8779745
    Or governments who want deny-ability. Its the same reason arms dealers are still out there. They're convenient.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:43 No.8779796

    There's plausible deniability, and then there's "You HIRED the people who killed six thousand civillians and bombed the Queen Victoria? Why the fuck did we elect you President? Get the fuck out before we break out the torches and pitchforks."
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:43 No.8779797
    I'm thinking they should ditch their current loadout of planes if they survive this mission.
    Just to make it harder to visually identify their squad.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:45 No.8779823

    If they just up and run they also run the risk of appearing as small time players to deal with and consequently won't attract the attention of potential customers. Particularly those that could pay the sort of money to help deal with those asymmetric threats. There isn't any guarantee that the British won't continue some form of reprisals but now they can make sure that the British will think twice before launching another overt military strike. Their goal for now besides surviving is to show the world that they are not mercenary dogs running from justice but that they are a real force to be reckoned with and that they are retreating on their own terms.

    A Mercenary squadron that successfully retreated in the face of a 1st world military while inflicting heavy losses will look like a must buy to every dictator with some money to burn.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:47 No.8779841

    There's always Israel, Iraq and Serbia, although those can be hardly called battles. Although the Serbs managed to shoot down one F-117 also with ground-based AA (OMFG STEALTHSUX SERBIA STRONG RUSSIA STRONG).

    As for the russian vs russian, it's rumoured that some Eritrean Mig-29's have been shot down by Ethiopian Su-27.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:49 No.8779863
    After this gig OP's squad should definitely sell their birds. Time to change colors. And don't paint ships under the new cockpits either.

    I know, the dream jets are still out of reach. But small improvements should be possible. And it will ensure that no intel picture of OP's base will ever look like Kitona.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:51 No.8779881
    Well, Scotch already has a new plane :P

    Sandman could go with a Tornado IDS if they decide to go this route.
    Not sure about Hugs, OP and the other Phantom driver though...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)11:51 No.8779882

    this isn't a bad idea but they've put a lot of heart and money into their planes...i'm not sure if they'll go for it.

    I think this may be the signal they need to get the hell out of the region. If the flight survives GM should send em to central america or south east asia...change it up. Of course there's still so much he could do with africa.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)11:53 No.8779901
    The first allied casualty of the first Iraq war was an F-18 shot down by an Iraqi MiG 25.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)11:56 No.8779944
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    Forgot the image.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)11:57 No.8779956
    Mig-25 is a fucking monster.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)12:05 No.8780042
    Really now? Under what circumstances?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)12:05 No.8780046
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    For it's time, yes, although it had a lot of faults. Still, it was huge, but again, putting things into perspective, the new SU-35BM (the definitive Flanker) is about 10 ft longer then the Foxbat.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)12:09 No.8780088
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    And a hell of a lot sexier too
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)12:12 No.8780119
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    Below is what people have found out. Most of the incident remains classified, for obvious reasons. (Wouldn't want people knowing the most modern US Navy fighter of the time was shot down by a Cold War relic approaching 30 years of age) A lot of people don't know that the allied forces lost 75 aircraft directly to enemy fire in the opening thrust of the war. The US maintains that most of those kills were from SAMs, but a lot of experts doubt those claims.

    >The U.S. Navy maintained in a 1997 document that Speicher was downed by a surface-to-air missile.] However, an declassified summary of a 2001 CIA report suggests that Speicher's aircraft was shot down by a missile fired from an Iraqi aircraft, most likely a MiG-25; flown by Lt. Zuhair Dawood, 84th squadron of the IQAF. Speicher was at 28,000 feet and travelling at 0.92 Mach (540 Knots) when the front of the aircraft suffered a catastrophic event. The impact from the R-40 missile threw the aircraft laterally off its flight path between fifty and sixty degrees with a resulting 6 g minimum load. A pilot on the same mission stated: "I'm telling you right now, don't believe what you're being told. It was that MiG that shot Spike down.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)12:12 No.8780120
    Me btw, forgot trip, something 'bout sucking cocks...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)12:17 No.8780169

    Hmm...interesting. I hadn't known that. Also didn't know we lost so many aircraft...though I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)12:22 No.8780214
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    Actual loss numbers are always classified, since it can be used to gauge effectiveness. Whenever this thread ends up in a F-22 vs Flanker argument, I always try to inform the RAPTORS ROCK side that in a 'real' engagement with a first world enemy, flying nose cold with Awacs support is a pipe dream. There will be so much radiation in the air, paint will melt off planes. That's the environment the Flanker was built for. It carries a massive payload, has excellent air to air fighting capabilities, and is huge. It's not trying to hide. The 'Low-Observable' tech of the US, along with the C3 nets they have, are only effective in low-intensity conflicts, or at least, that is the only place they have been tested.

    With luck this will remain an argument and nothing more.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)12:28 No.8780265
    Not to mention a long range strike on their AWACS could seriously cripple the effectiveness of said strategy
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)12:28 No.8780270
    I'm not about to start and argument about that sort of thing. I've stayed out of them since these threads started. Though i have always wondered why people always assumed there wouldn't be a lot of radar active in future conflicts. Both sides will want maximum coverage and even the best current stealth would have a hard time against such an environment...let alone some low observability aircraft like the F22 and F35.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)12:34 No.8780321
    Don't forget that the Russians have been ridiculously paranoid about defensive systems ever since the end of World War 2. I'm having a tough time thinking of any country with more SAM and mobile radar and air defense capabilities then the Russians.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)12:35 No.8780327
    Is that a Strike Flanker? And it's actually dropping bombs?

    When did that happen?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)12:37 No.8780343
    SU-32/34 "Platypus", NATO Fullback.

    It's the new strike fighter/bomber for the Russians.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)12:38 No.8780357

    Exactly. And with modern improvements to those huge networks very little will slip by unnoticed. Personally I think "stealth" as its now known is going to be a fairly short lived technology. If what i've read so far is any sort of indication its time may have already passed.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)12:43 No.8780412
    Any source where I can read up on these loss numbers?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)12:50 No.8780473

    Good list of references
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)12:50 No.8780474
    A real 'force to be reckoned with' that uses force like they have is just asking for an american led coliliation to go full regime change on them. The world doesn't let people get away with this unless you have a seat on the UN security council. You might as well say that they are a rogue military without a country that operating on a for hire basis, which is just as bad for most nations and the international community in gernal as it sounds.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)12:51 No.8780483
    With modern radar and imaging systems it is no problem to detect and trace anything from orbit. The likeliness of the detection of stealth ships depends on many variables, not the least of which is how much money you are willing to throw at a problem. With a dense grid of surveillance satellites stealth is no longer viable. Which is good because now you don't have to fly around those pesky radar stations any more and can go straight for your target.

    Jamming is also problematic. Tightly beamed tracking communication platforms are pretty much invulnerable to anything but directly aimed close range ECM, and then you can just fire a missile.

    Gold Rush is interesting because for the first time state of the art gear, be it just ground attack fighters, is threatening their outdated tech. If it comes to an air to air conflict, and following Steve's work I guess it will, they will barely scrape by with the updated avionics they just installed.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)12:59 No.8780623
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    Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
    (assuming they decide to ditch their current airplanes ofcourse)

    Might be hard to find a platform as capable as the Flanker in their price range.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)13:04 No.8780669

    Then they need to combine tricky with brute force if they find they cannot, without a doubt, get the transports out without a fight. OP's flight needs to cause so much confusion that the Brits, even with their superior tech and numbers, will end up being forced in multiple directions as well.

    Send a fighter to harass air traffic two hundred miles away. Force a passenger plane to land at Kitona to act as a deterrent. Probe at the task force's defense net and launch warning shots across its bows. Play cat and mouse with the harriers...all at the same time or in close enough intervals that the brits will be jumping from one problem to the other.

    Vark to probe task force defense net.
    Viggen to pester air traffic and maybe force one down.
    Flanker and Phantoms to harass the harriers.

    Keep em guessing and jumping at shadows.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)13:05 No.8780686
    If they all went Russian they'd have a cover from whatever country in the region flies the same planes. Paint jobs are applied over night. E voila: perfect cover.

    OK, it might piss some people off, but that just gives Steve some plot to work with...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)13:10 No.8780749

    Problem with Soviet equipment is that the truly good multi-role aircraft are newer and thus much more expensive.

    Phantoms, early model F16s and Tornados, and Jaguars are the only decent multirole aircraft that won't utterly break the bank as far as I can see. And even then there are problems with those aircraft.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)13:19 No.8780876
    Yeah, the single engine thing is something I really don't like...

    As for the Jaguar, come on, those just suck :P
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)13:21 No.8780897

    Ok so maybe I spoke to soon for the entire flight. If Sandman is looking for a change in aircraft the Su24 Fencer isn't a bad choice and its still in the same mission range as his current F111.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)13:23 No.8780932

    The Jags are capable aircraft...they're just not the best. But they are relatively modern and most have been dropped from service making them easier to purchase in all likelihood.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)13:24 No.8780951
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    Yeah, the only reason I suggested the Tornado over the Su is because of the anti-runway potential

    I'd suggest a baseline F/A-18 for OP, but its legs are just too damn short.
    Maybe a Mirage 2000?

    Also: Drakens doing cobras: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqiDEcfSnXs
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)13:35 No.8781121
    While cool, you can see the engines almost flaming out when they do it. And they can't maintain it. Contrast with this:
    and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdX4koDdXBA

    Where the flankers do things they shouldn't be able to do. (Watch for the recoverable standing double back-flip in the first video)
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)13:39 No.8781178
    I know it's not as hot as a Sukhoi, I just found it cool that a plane designed in the 50s could pull that of ;)
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)13:41 No.8781216
    Also, dat double backflip...

    I came
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)13:44 No.8781261

    At times, the Flanker flies BACKWARDS. (The reverse Immelman)
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)13:46 No.8781290
    We should really focus on two things here:

    1) How to get OP's flight through the next mission.
    2) Possible upgrades in aircraft/change in aircraft(changing the flights image)
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)13:48 No.8781311
    So what you're showing us is: with a successful skill check you could land an SU-35 on a helipad...
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)13:51 No.8781365
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    MiGs as well ;)

    Rarely do I enjoy youtube comments, but this one stands out:
    >In my eyes, this is a huge "fuck you" to physics
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)13:53 No.8781377
    Jup, I was already brainstorming about the latter, but with a limited budget it's gonna be hard to get something equal to the Flanker and something decent that will haul the same big-ass load as a Phantom (which is why I don't like the Jag, way too light for my tastes)
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)13:54 No.8781392
    If you want Flanker like, the American F-15 eagle, especially the Israeli one with sensor upgrades and outfitted with Pythons and AMRAAMs is a pretty close fit.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)13:59 No.8781441
    Yeah, I know, but Hugs could barely afford an old model Flanker (the S IIRC), so I doubt he'll be able to get an Eagle, let alone an upgraded one
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)14:02 No.8781471
    Hell everyone without a Flanker or Phantom should just get a Phantom or Flanker.

    jk...but maybe not.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)14:14 No.8781621
    Still waiting on that picture Sukhoi.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)14:18 No.8781675

    Thats the side-by-side dual-seat fighter/bomber built on the Flanker chassis, right? Cockpit looks odd.


    Never ceases to amaze me the amount of shit that can be bolted onto modern warplanes. In WWII you're lucky if you can fit a few 200lb bombs.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)14:19 No.8781694

    Whoops, thats what I get for not refreshing the thread.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)14:20 No.8781702
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    By the way, IIRC that thing actually has an onboard toilet (the Su-34 that is) :P
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)14:22 No.8781735


    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)14:27 No.8781807
    Remember we need aircraft that are multi-role and yet rugged and easy to get parts for. The Viggen is pushing it in my book but then I suppose I don't know how many pies Black Flag has fingers in. The F4s, Flanker, and F111 are all either old enough or have been sold to enough countries to make them accessible enough. That means no top of the line shit for quite a long time imo.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)14:28 No.8781826
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    Yeah, it's not gonna happen
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)14:30 No.8781858
    Tornado (Gr.1 at least) is old enought as well, as is the Viggen.

    Problem with those two is that noone except for their respective countries uses them.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)14:35 No.8781918
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    Yeah they're stuck in an annoying area where they've already got some of the best "cheap" stuff and anything that is a good upgrade is too expensive.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)14:35 No.8781923

    This is the reason i'd be hesitant to try for or even allow such aircraft. Better to get something that a quarter of the world is flying or something thats so easy to get parts for that you can get em just about anywhere. Old work horses like the F4 or F5 or soviet/russian stuff. This type of stuff is also prone to being more rugged and capable of operating from fields like the ones OPs flight are using or worse.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)14:39 No.8781971
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    Post me on 4chan? Surely you must be joking!
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)14:39 No.8781979
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    F-5 is a bit light and lacking in payload for their needs, isn't it?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)14:40 No.8781989
    Don't call me Shirley!
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)14:41 No.8782006
    Perhaps some of the newer chinese tech needs to be looked at/considered more closely. The newest stuff probably isn't gonna be available but you're more likely to get new stuff from them then you are from the US or EU for the same reasons you're more likely to get it from Russia. But then you've got the problem of the Chinese being the only suppliers of weapons/parts for those particular craft...which is something i'd personally be trying to avoid.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)14:41 No.8782012
    Too bad the F-20 never made it into production.

    Next best 'cheap' multirole would be an F-16 I guess...
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)14:42 No.8782028
    And ofcourse most of it being knockoff Soviet/Russian stuff
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)14:43 No.8782036
    I'd still consider it if I the GM allowed for the F20 getting produced in some decent numbers. Otherwise they're good starter/back up aircraft.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)14:45 No.8782055
    F-16, F-5, F-20...

    All I hear is light fighters. Op clearly needs a heavy jet withfuel reserves and more than 4 missiles.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)14:48 No.8782111
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    Make some suggestions then.

    I'd say F-15 or two, but I've not idea how easy it'd be to get a hold of. "Not Very" is what I'm assuming.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)14:49 No.8782120
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)14:50 No.8782132
    we're suggesting them because they've been mass produced, sold to many countries, are still capable, and have been proven in combat on multiple occasions.

    If you've got some other suggestions please bring them forward.
    >> OP's original list Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)14:57 No.8782202
    F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo
    J-10 Annihilator
    F-106 Delta Dart
    Mirage 2000
    Mirage F1
    Mirage III
    Eurofighter Typhoon
    A-10 Thunderbolt
    F-111 Aardvark
    F-16C Falcon
    F-16E Falcon
    F-16XL Falcon
    A-1 Skyraider
    A-6 Intruder
    F-14B Tomcat
    F-14D Tomcat
    XF-29 Wildcat II
    T-50 Golden Eagle
    F-104C Starfighter
    F-22A Raptor
    F-35A Lightning II
    F-35B Lightning II
    F-35C Lightning II
    AV-8B Harrier II
    F-101B Voodoo
    F-15C Eagle
    F-15E Eagle
    F-15SE Silent Eagle
    F/A-18 Hornet
    F/A-18E Super Hornet
    MiG-21 Fishbed E
    MiG-23 Flogger E
    MiG-25 Foxbat
    MiG-29SM Fulcrum C
    MiG-31 Foxhound
    MiG-35 Fulcrum E
    F-100 Super Sabre
    F-20 Tigershark
    F-5E Tiger II
    YF-23 Black Widow II
    Tornado ADV
    F-105 Thunderchief
    JAS-35 Draken
    JAS-37 Viggen
    JAS-39 Gripen
    Su-17 Fitter
    Su-24 Fencer
    Su-25 Frogfoot
    SU-27BM Flanker J
    Su-27S Flanker B
    Su-30MKI Flanker H
    Su-33 Flanker D
    Su-34 Fullback
    Su-35 Flanker E
    A-7 Corsair
    F-8E Crusader
    >> planefag 03/25/10(Thu)15:00 No.8782237

    If they're looking for new rides, a MiG-29 is a nimble, dangerous fighter with great multirole capability.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)15:04 No.8782285
    Hell the list DOES have the F20 on it. Hmm. If I went MiG i'd have to go for the 31. Only problem is its not multirole...sigh.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)15:05 No.8782300
    And whats the XF-29 Wildcat 2? I can't find that one anywhere.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)15:09 No.8782355
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    Only problem is just because its stated doesn't mean it'll be available. Steve might just say no.

    For some reason I'd consider getting one if I was playing. I kinda like how they look. Dunno if they'd be super capable though, I'm not too up on warplanes past the 50s.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)15:14 No.8782468
    The F-20 was a great upgrade to the F-5, highly competitive with the F-16 in terms of capability, and dirt cheap.

    Forward Swept wing technology demonstrator. The F means it was militarized into the fighter role.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)15:15 No.8782476
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    I'm guessing a militarised version of the X-29...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)15:21 No.8782584

    Ah yeah thats probably it. Forgot about that bird.

    I honestly don't think this squadron/flight is ever gonna be top of the line...not with the kinds of missions they usually take/are given. The missions are all over the map as far as needs from aircraft that in many cases having a non-state of the aircraft for a particular role is probably best. Heck if i'd gone for the close support or dedicated ground attack role i'd have gone with something like the A1 or A4 in a heartbeat since they'd both leave me with lots of funds to work with. Dedicated fighter? F20/F5E most likely or something else in the same range.

    Preferences I guess.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 03/25/10(Thu)15:23 No.8782609
    Well, hugs is flying what I'd choose... And the upgrade path is pretty simple as well.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)15:24 No.8782648
    Again...preferences. And since this is a game you're even more likely to have odd ball choices like mine that wouldn't be made in real life.
    >> Air Action Weekly 03/25/10(Thu)15:27 No.8782701
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    I really hope we eventually get the price lists for planes and missiles. And the customized rules.

    Also we're past page 10 I think, ain't gonna last much longer.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 03/25/10(Thu)15:30 No.8782741
    Yeah, I'm waiting for that as well.

    Thinking about running something similar in real life, and I might adapt some D20 Modern shit for character rules (since D20 is the system me and my group are most familiar with), but Steve's stuff would definitely help a lot.

    @Sukhoi: will the game you'll be playing in have separate rules for the pilots when they're on the ground/not flying?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)15:35 No.8782830
    Yeah not long now sadly.

    We really need those price lists and extra rules. It's been over a week now and still nothing. I'm getting twitchy with all this waiting. Thankfully the missions and discussions help.

    Like you any game I started would probably be using d20 modern as its RP base since d20 is my preferred system.
    >> Anonymous 03/25/10(Thu)15:44 No.8783007
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    Can I get a link to this "game"?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 03/25/10(Thu)15:56 No.8783270
    The link's somewhere in thread #10 i think.

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