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    99 KB Fate/Stay Quest? FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)14:40 No.8598494  
    The training of a mage is a precarious, and indeed mind numbing process. The actual effort, physical and mental training involved can be grueling on the average person. To say that everyone can do magic, or that only a few people can would be too bold a claim for even the most worldly of man to say with confidence. However, like anything, magic requires talent. And some people are simply more talented with others. Self-taught mages exist and can even be threatening in their own right, but it is the years of mastery and techniques passed down from bloodline to bloodline that gives a mage his TRUE strength.

    As such, no matter how much magical talent a person may be born with, he will simply be a full-bottle with no pressure or release. No ability to channel or use it.

    Whether or not you are a self taught mage or belong to one of these prestigious families is all up to you. But now, the haze of sleep begins to dissipate. The blackness that once clouded your vision and mind are gone now. Today is the beginning of the Holy Grail war. The last moment for mages around the world to summon forth a servant and to participate in this grand tournament. You're not sure why or how you're aware of this. Maybe greater forces are interested in you? Or maybe you mentally prepared yourself to be reminded on this particular day?

    The only question that remains is: who are you exactly?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)14:49 No.8598585
    Waldo Butters
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:04 No.8598751

    Ah yes. An excellent name for a... no wait that's retarded.

    You wake up now. Your head's pretty scrambled and your vision is blurry. You need to get the facts straight first. What's your name, your gender and the name of your clan? Or do you even have one?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:08 No.8598809
    We're Matou Zouken Jr.

    Our servant will be female, also we have penis worms.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:10 No.8598831
    Fucking tripfag thread.

    But yeah, what he said. Or Emiya something, with the POWER OF JUSTICE.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:11 No.8598846
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    Oh god. This can't end well.

    How about we just be some manly russian dude from the Einzberns? Like Zangief, complete with the bear wrassling?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:12 No.8598861
    Long story short, FSN quest is unplayable because it would make no fucking sense since there is no room to wriggle in another Grail War.

    Plus I doubt /tg/ gives a damn.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:13 No.8598876
    Russian in the germans?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:14 No.8598887
    R. Mika as the servant ?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:15 No.8598897
    The Einzberns always send humunculi to the Grail Wars, and they're notorious for being physically weak.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:15 No.8598900

    Fine, yes, Volg Z. Einzbern. A manly man, who does manly things, like wrestle bears to death, eat raw meat, ignore concepts such as 'cold' and bed multiple women at the same time (were in the right setting for it I guess?)
    >> me Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:15 No.8598903
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    my name is leroy jenkins
    my bloodline is the oldest and most sacred ALL HAIL THE JENKINS CLAN!
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:16 No.8598926

    Wait, the Einzbern chick from Zero was a homunculi? I thought those could have kids?
    In fact I'm pretty sure they can't.

    Besides, they probably did it after this guy was so manly the rest of the family hung their heads in shame, as they knew they'd never be able to find a manlier person to enter the grail war for them.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:19 No.8598961

    I think it should be noted that this isn't taking place in the cannon F/SN timeline, nor does it really have anything to do with the Nasuverse other than the Grail War.


    You suddenly slap some sense back into yourself. You are Vladimir Keshnimov. The Bear of Russia! Called so by your specialization in augmentation magic and your abnormally toned body and physical status.

    The room you currently stand in is relatively empty. There is nothing but a bed, a light and a window that leads outside. Your spare clothes lay under your bed and the calendar hanging on the wall marks the date as being particularly important.

    It's time to try and prove yourself. What do you do next?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:19 No.8598970
    Alternate reality, genius.

    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:20 No.8598974

    R.Mika as apprentice most likely.

    Servants have to be heroes from history, no closer than 100 years ago. Archer get's special dispensation due to plot bullshit.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:20 No.8598977

    >Volg Z. Einzbern

    Or this. Either one. I just didn't notice it before.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:21 No.8598997
    Manly things
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:23 No.8599017
    Yes she was one. Yes, they can get pregnant, but through artificial insemination - I don't remember why.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:24 No.8599040
    Very well, continue.

    Ilyia isn't REALLY a child of Iris, more like Iris is the template. Ilyia was made via her template plus Kiritsugu's sperm (Shirou's dad), thus making Shirou and Ilya actually related... kind of.
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:25 No.8599052
    I say we check out what supplies we have. What is our focus for our summoning ritual?
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:26 No.8599067
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    You look to mirror hanging on the wall and FLEX. Your rippling muscles shine in the morning sunlight and each individual muscle twitches with energy.

    OK that's enough of that. It's time to recall why you're here.

    Your family, the __________ saw you as the most powerful member of their clan. Despite the fact you aren't what they'd call the brightest, you did have good relations with the clan leader and after some harsh diplomacy, he agreed to let you participate in the next Holy Grail War.

    Now isn't there something else important you need to be doing today...?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:26 No.8599074
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    Obviously I'd prefer it if we stuck with my name, but whatever people like best will be fine.


    >It's time to try and prove yourself. What do you do next?

    Where exactly are we? What country? What do we know about the Grail War? Have we already been chosen? Is the canditacy still up for grabs? Do we know if any other servants have already been summoned?
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:27 No.8599087
    Actually, the Throne of Heroes is separate from space and time. You need a focus that relates to a servant to summon one, which is why they normally are only form the past.

    It was just luck that Archer happened to still have the pendant that Rin used as a focus.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:28 No.8599101
    Uh, go out and fight a bear? I don't really know anything about F/SN. Except that there's some woman named Medusa. And I might actually be confusing that with something else, so... yeah.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:28 No.8599106
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    I am the Bagman. Self-taught mage living im magical indestructible bag. Without my cover i am harmless but nothing can hur me when i;m covered by it.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:28 No.8599110
    Shirou was adopted.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:29 No.8599120
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    Einzberns were German, not Russian.

    Albino muscle man with a passion for wrestling?
    Homunculi or real Einzbern? That's the question.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:30 No.8599139
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    You currently have your MANLY PHYSIQUE, your PERSONAL CLOTHES which is really nothing more than a speedo and your BUSINESS CASUAL clothes that your family insisted on you wearing.

    As for other belongings, they're mostly various mundane items like a toothbrush, some food and a couple keepsakes from home. Not much in terms of mystical... wait focus for what?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:32 No.8599154

    Dear god...
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:33 No.8599163

    Nope, you've got it right. F/SN is pretty rife with greek stuff actually. Over half of the servants are from that line of mythology. You don't see so many Nordic ones I guess as most of their heroes are gods, and those a Verboten as far as the Grail is concerned.
    Animals are still allowed however, so Fenris and Sleipnir would probably be summonable, but good fucking luck finding catalysts for them.


    Really? Not Russian? Even though Iyla spent the first half of the game in a russian outfit? Well, maybe were half-Russian, or live on the German/Russian border?

    Russia DOES border Germany right? That's why those wacky Huns kept invading right?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:33 No.8599164


    the Einzberns found out that the homunculi they had used up to now had been too frail. That's why the path to Akasha had always kept breaking before they could follow. So the last homunculus was created and raised with the goal of making him extremely reislient, both physically, mentally, and magically.

    Sound good?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:33 No.8599171
    Quite but still related, if not by blood.

    This is alternate reality F/SN as OP said, I guess most rules don't apply. Like the one that says that the Grail War can only be held in Fuyuki City.
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:35 No.8599188
    Remember that today is the day we were suppossed to summon our Servant for the Holy Grail war.

    Realize that we forgot the focus back home, impaled in the gut of a dead bear.

    Attempt to figure out something to use as a focus for the servant summoning ritual.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:35 No.8599195
    No, you can summon a servant without a artifact. Instead of a specific one, the Throne of Heroes sends you someone that has something in common with you, like Sakura and Rider.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:35 No.8599198
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    The focus for summoning the servant to take part in the grail war, to kill the other servants, to take the grail and to gain phoenominal cosmic power.


    If we don't know anything about the current state of the grail war we should find our family contact and get some info.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:35 No.8599200
    >Russia DOES border Germany right? That's why those wacky Huns kept invading right?

    Not sure if serious...

    Also, she's german, she has the coat because she comes from some snow covered mountain range, and because she was only a few months old. I don't know if she ever saw any other season then winter.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:36 No.8599204
    The item that we brought to summon our Servant, something with a spiritual link to a great hero of the past.

    ...we did bring one, right? RIGHT?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:37 No.8599217

    Nope. Would seem we forgot it.

    How far are we from home? Time to run the fuck back and get it? We do have absurd stamina, so I think we might be able to make it...
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:38 No.8599225
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    So, our hero is basically a male Leysritt?
    Freakish strength and huge boo-err, pectorals.

    And yeah, they weren't Russian, even though Ilya is associated with snow/winter, and appeared in her purple Russian cap and coat quite often. Even though Ilya is a Russian boy's name.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:38 No.8599228

    You still need to be fairly powerful to do that, it's a LOT easier with a catalyst. That's probably why there was so much property damage when Rin nearly flubbed her summoning.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:38 No.8599231
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    OK get your bearings straight.

    >Where exactly are we?

    Skyline City. Infamous for being a kaleidescope of cultures and having everything from a china town to a little Russia!

    Which you currently call home.

    >What country?

    Why does that matter?

    >What do we know about the Grail War?

    You pull out your families specific instructions on the matter.

    "The Grail War is a competition between many masters for the sake of gaining the legendary Holy Grail. The only way to win it is to summon a servant and have him and his master compete. This servant is a legendary figure from the past who is summoned depending on many factors, the focus is key for one. But many other things such as the Master, the intention behind the summoning and the specific incantations used can affect the servants outcome."

    >Have we already been chosen?

    Well your family did send you here. It would stand to reason you're expected to compete.

    >Is the canditacy still up for grabs?

    You dunno. You haven't met any of the other masters in this city, and if you have they haven't said so.

    >Do we know if any other servants have already been summoned?

    Again. You dunno. You don't typically think things out anyway.
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:38 No.8599232
    She is more than a few months old (In the cannon universe) considering that she was around Kiritsugu for a year or two before the 4th grail war...
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:39 No.8599240
    >to take the grail and to gain phoenominal cosmic power.


    Her full name is Ilyasviel Von Eizenbern.

    Also I find the thought that we left the summoning focus in the guts of a bear hilarious.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:39 No.8599242
    What Russian heroes of time are there...

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:39 No.8599248
    Question: If we're so astoundingly strong, can't we fight for ourselves? Or is having a servant required?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:40 No.8599252

    Well, maybe the Einsberns will supply one? It seems like the sort of thing they wouldn't let just ANYBODY have, so perhaps they like to have some sort of control over what servant is summoned by their Candidates?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:40 No.8599256
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    19 or 20, I think. Certainly older than Shirou.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:40 No.8599258
    True, true.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:40 No.8599259
    Servants are as strong as WHOLE FUCKING ARMIES.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:41 No.8599272

    Having a Servant is required, because most Servants are immune to the attacks of humans. However, we could have a support Servant. In the series, there was an assassin who was the master of Caster. Caster buffed him to be able to bypass Servant protections, and then he fought while Caster provided cover fire.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:41 No.8599277
    We know what we're doing here, come on!

    Our family should have stolen and mailed us Lyudmila Pavlichenko's sniper rifle by now. Go pick it up at the post office and summon her.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:42 No.8599284
    FFFFF- How could I forgot that she's actually older then nii-chan?!

    I keep mixing it up with her 3 year life expectancy.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:42 No.8599288




    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:43 No.8599303
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    "OH YEA!" You shout. You DO have a summon charm! You proceed to take out your...

    Your... oh dammnit it's gone isn't it?

    OH well. "World's Oldest, Petrified Sandwhich" probably wasn't gonna summon anything special.

    Now think. Where would be a good place to find artifacts of immaculate power?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:44 No.8599313
    Museum gift shop.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:44 No.8599319
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    I hope we'll have a good ending. Pic related, that's not a good end.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:45 No.8599333


    Also, the Servant has to be summoned because the Grail wont materialise if they aren't all summoned.


    step.1: Go to Romania
    step 2: Find a stake a certain Romanian celebrity impaled his enemies with.
    step 3: Summon Lancer
    step 5: ???
    step 6: PROFIT
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:46 No.8599340
    Break into the nearest Museum, Steal the fossilized skull of a T-Rex.

    Summon Sue the T-Rex as your Berserker Class Servant.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:46 No.8599346
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    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599354

    I like this one. But, do we really have time to head back to Romania?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599355

    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599356
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    20 minuets and a bus-ride later you're standing in the middle of an entire palace full of various nick-nacks and puzzles with dinosaurs on them.

    A man notices your hulking, curious form and walks over to you with a friendly smile.

    "Excuse me good sir!" he says "can I help you with something?"
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599362
    This cannot possibly go wrong.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599363
    Rin's a ditz - she summoned Archer at the time her power was lowest.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599364


    Dear fucking god... Now I'll have to remake my custom Heroic Spirit character sheet collection.

    Wait a minute, the TATARI is a testament that there never was a vampire Dracula.

    ...Well, not like he had to be a vampire... It passes, you sir are awesome.
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599365
    Where do you keep the Tyrannosaur skulls?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:47 No.8599366
    "Yes, I'm looking for an artifact of ancient power. Do you have any?"
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:48 No.8599371
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:48 No.8599372
    Do you have anything with a T-Rex and a bear on it?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:48 No.8599373
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:49 No.8599384

    Tell him we're interested in relics of folk tales and legendary people and stuff.

    Try to put our least scary face while we ask.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:49 No.8599385
    I'm all for summoning Rasputin. So... Find one of the Romanov's treasures?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:49 No.8599386

    Stare imperiously down at him, ask him if he has a guide map for the museum. Case the place for possible servant foci, then use magic to break in tonight and steal them.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:50 No.8599399
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    I have no idea whats happening but I'm shitting my pants here its so awesome.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:51 No.8599400
    >I'm all for summoning Rasputin. So... Find one of the Romanov's treasures?

    You know how many people have owned thos things?
    BAD END: We get Anastasia
    TRUE END: We get Rah-Rah-Rasputin
    GOOD END: We get Ivan the Terrible.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:52 No.8599413
    >Bad End

    Hay, she was pretty useful in Shadow Hearts. Hopefully she still has her Orobas photo for magic.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:52 No.8599415
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    He looks at you with a confused expression for two minuets before responding.

    "The museum has many artifacts on display. We've recently received the mummified genitals of Rasputin from Ukrain. And on loan from Romania is a REAL wooden spike used by Vlaud the impaler."

    He looks sullen for a second "Although you'll have to excuse our Norse exhibit for being closed down. We had a thief and one of our more valuable artifacts was stolen."


    "Fossils are through the stone arch."
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:52 No.8599416
    get tour of museum
    find out most valuable artifacts therein
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:52 No.8599419
    Question: Things that are older Are more powerful in terms of Magic in the Nasuverse, correct? Like Sorcerery cannot do SHIT against Divine Words because Sorcerery is newer.

    Wouldn't that mean that a T-Rex would have a shit-ton of Magic resistance?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:53 No.8599425
    >AWESOME END: We get Rah-Rah-Rasputin

    FTFY. But didn't OP say that intent and motivations factored in? So if we get something like that, and focus on Rasputin, we'd have a good chance of getting him, right?
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:53 No.8599426
    Get to fossil section.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)15:53 No.8599427
    Also, I have thought up a spell for our aspiring Master. It is a powerful spell, almost on the Noble Phantasm level, so its costly to use it.

    The spell's name is BEARCAUST, it turns everyone around the caster into bears that are at the same time mana bombs, so when slain they explode into raw mana, the bears serve us. We are immune to this damage, so will be our Servant.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:53 No.8599430
    >"Although you'll have to excuse our Norse exhibit for being closed down. We had a thief and one of our more valuable artifacts was stolen."

    AW FUCK.

    >"The museum has many artifacts on display. We've recently received the mummified genitals of Rasputin from Ukrain. And on loan from Romania is a REAL wooden spike used by Vlaud the impaler."

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:54 No.8599435
    We don't need artefacts of power, buy something with a picture of a T-Rex fighting a bear and use that to summon something!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:54 No.8599437
    >We've recently received the mummified genitals of Rasputin from Ukrain.

    I love it when a plan comes together.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:54 No.8599440
    But yeah, the two options that sound most entertaining are:
    1. Recovering Rasputin's penis
    2. Recovering Vlad's penis. I mean impaling stake.
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)15:54 No.8599442
    >"Although you'll have to excuse our Norse exhibit for being closed down. We had a thief and one of our more valuable artifacts was stolen."

    Oh FUCK.

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:54 No.8599447

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    Rasputin or Vlad? FUCK I CAN'T DECIDE. :<
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:56 No.8599465

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:56 No.8599466
    Get GENITALS. Use to summon the great RASPUTIN. Probably should wait until the museum closes to break in and get the said artifact.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)15:56 No.8599478

    I'm with you. The last thing we want to face is one of these guys.
    But we should still case the joint anyway. Let's not steal Rasputins cock, unknowingly leaving the GOLDEN THRONE OF GILGAMESH untouched in the Mesopotamian exhibit or something.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:57 No.8599489

    Vlad. We get fucking Dracula, with all his Dracula-ish powers.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:57 No.8599491


    (We already are the muscle here. Nasuverse works on belief, so Dracula would have the slew of vampire powers - and be confused as fuck by them -, and having someone who can turn into mist and do suggestions and that shit would be useful, not to mention he'd be almost as crazy psychotic as us, so we'd be good bros)
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)15:58 No.8599498
    Though the likelyhood there might be something of that caliber is low.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)15:58 No.8599509
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    "J-JUST THE BOW OF A SHIP!" the man cowers "WE GOT IT FROM THE VIKING MUSEUM IN DENMARK! It's one of the oldest found!"
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:00 No.8599525
    Clearly Cthulu is our enemy! that must be the bow of the ship that was crashed into him!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:00 No.8599532
    For the love of god, he wasn't actually a vampire.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:00 No.8599538
    Canon fact in the nasuverse that Dracula was infact never a vampire, and that the whole Transylvanian blood drinking gentleman gig was just a myth. Exactly what TATARI/Night Of Wallachia needed, and he still exists (in one form or the other). So Dracula is actually alive and active.
    >> Witness1 !FbA1rz4uFY 03/15/10(Mon)16:01 No.8599546

    Nasuverse works on belief.


    It's Beowulf.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:01 No.8599553
    Damn, a bit late, but can't we fly to Mt. Rushmore, climb ontop of Teddy and summon him as a Rider?
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:01 No.8599556

    OK I'll flip a coin. Guys who want Vlaud call it.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:02 No.8599561
    And Madusa (if she even existed) wasn't really a scaly broad with snakes for hair

    We are summoning legendary heroes with embellished myths surrounding them. Not historically accurate figures from Eastern Europe
    >> Witness1 !FbA1rz4uFY 03/15/10(Mon)16:02 No.8599568

    But Vlad Tepes was fucking insane, and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:03 No.8599574
    Meaningless, as a Servant's powers are based on the hero's actual properties, their legend (in this case vampire nonsense), and what is forgotten (whatever...)

    So even if Dracula was not a real figure, because people believe in Dracula, Vlad Tepes would come equipped with TATARI/Wallachia powers in addition to being a Lancer.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:03 No.8599579
    take both remaining artifacts to ensure nobody can use the one we don't use

    also, I vote for vlad, certified badass
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:04 No.8599583
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:04 No.8599591
    we aren't even gonna check the greek exhibit?

    Votin for Vlad anyway
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:04 No.8599592
    Right, and just how many people actually know the connection between Vlad and Dracula? I'm guessing not as many as you'd think.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:05 No.8599595

    We know. But Nasuverse works on belief. The more people that know and believe a myth, the stronger the servant is. It's why Saber was so hax - everyone knows about King Arthur.

    Now, how many people haven't heard of Dracula, again?

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:06 No.8599609
    Not voting for Vlad, but since none of them are doing what you ask, calling Heads for Vlad.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:06 No.8599610

    Fuck the Greek exhibit, FS/N's already glutted with Greek heroes already.

    Tak Vlad. Summon him as either Lancer or Berzerker.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:06 No.8599618
    Lancer. Someone's got Berserker already.

    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:07 No.8599624
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    You stomp away, mumbling to yourself about what this development could mean. Could other masters already be summoning servants? You'd better hurry...

    You notice a fire alarm then... hmmm you know. Pulling it WOULD cause a great deal of panic...
    >> Witness1 !FbA1rz4uFY 03/15/10(Mon)16:07 No.8599627

    Order of the Dragon

    Dragon = Dracul

    Vlad Dracul = Dracula

    Funnily enough, 'Dracul' also meant 'demon'.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:07 No.8599629
    It's not about that. It's about how many people realize the Draula was inspired by Vlad the Impaler. Which, again, is not as many people as you might think, outside of vampire worship circles.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:07 No.8599631
    silly people. vlad doesn't HAVE to be a vampire, he's badass enough.

    i mean, off the top of my head, 3 things he did:
    -won't take off their turbans in my presence? fine, NAIL THEM TO THEIR SKULLS
    -wow there's alot of bums in my country. invite them all to my place, I got a brand new hall, i'll feed them, it'll be a grand old time... okay, lock em in after they're done eating then burn it down.
    -invading army? okay, let them walk right to my castle, and see a forest of their freshly impaled kinsmen; be sure some of them are still alive and screaming when the army shows up. What's that? they turned right around and went home? gee, I wonder why
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)16:07 No.8599638
    Fuck, If I'm not getting the Rex, than might as well pitch in my vote to go and get Vlad.

    Poor fucker isn't gonna know shit about his own powers.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:08 No.8599640
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    True, but we can't summon something that still exists. And Rider had her own story as well, IE: when she and her twins were godesses until man corrupted them and Rider went insane and ate everyone, including her sisters.

    Also, this guy is "Dracula" in the nasuverse.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:08 No.8599646

    That's actually not a good thing, Demons and Dragons are beyond the grail...

    I really think we should come back tonight... but since it seems like another mage is ahead of us DO EEEET.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:08 No.8599649
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:08 No.8599653
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    Pic related is how our magic work!

    We can affect reality by flexing our muscles, in a reverse form of mind over matter!
    >> Witness1 !FbA1rz4uFY 03/15/10(Mon)16:09 No.8599656

    Actually, lots and lots of people know that Dracula was inspired by Vlad Tepes. More that you think.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:09 No.8599661
    Rider was downgraded to a demonic creature. The Grail Works just fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:10 No.8599673


    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:12 No.8599698
    Nah, Vlad himself is dead, which is what matters.

    That said we might get a visit from TATARI/Wallachia going lolwut?

    And Vlad will be all like: BITCH!

    And then they will have a contest to see who can terrorize the countryside more.

    Vlad wins due to Vlad.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:12 No.8599705
    pull it. grab stake and penis, in that order, BURNING FLAT anyone in our way
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:13 No.8599706
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    You know, I thought of running a Grail quest the other day where /tg/ would have mundane objects to summon their Servant, among them a Sega Saturn.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:13 No.8599707
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    It is time to act! You pull the fire alarm and watch as people in the museum all cover there heads as water pours down on them.

    PUSSIES. If this were Russia they would be soaking wet and expected to go out in a blizzard in their underwears and take it like a man! As people begin to crowd about you slip past several of them and go for...

    Vlaud the Impaler's steak.

    It's behind glass though. CURSES! How will you reach it!?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:13 No.8599715
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:14 No.8599721
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:14 No.8599726
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:14 No.8599739


    Or we could punch it.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:15 No.8599751


    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:15 No.8599755
    What would Vlad's Noble Phantasm be? A Reality Marble where an unlimited number of stakes shoot out of the ground, impaling opponents through their ass?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:16 No.8599760
    No. Older doesn't make something more powerful unless by older you mean "had more time to accumulate magic energy", which dinosaurs didn't do. Also True Magic is more powerful than sorcerry because in it's times, people couldn't just us a bomb to blow shit up. Now days every spell is engraved into the fabric of the reality and casting it costs as much energy as it would take to create and use said bomb. Also, Divine Words are pretty much what they called: divine language from the times gods walked the earth - they're magic in themselves.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:16 No.8599764
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    Hah, look at those peasants who call themselves knowledgeable of the magecraft behind Heaven's Feel.

    They probably still think you have to make a magician's circle to summon the servant too!
    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)16:16 No.8599765
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:16 No.8599769
    >Vlaud the Impaler's steak.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:16 No.8599773
    guys... what if Vlad is genderbended in this universe like Arthur?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:17 No.8599774
    Most likely, or something else that involves impalement.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:17 No.8599780
    There are two ways a servant is considered powerful: Fame of legend, and AGE of legend.

    Thus Gil and saber were the strongest. Gil is the oldest hero, and Saber is the most famous.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:17 No.8599785
    Or just a forest of impaled people screaming and moaning, Vlad can teleport and recreate himself from every single stake+victim. Or turn them all into him.

    You are now imaging giant stake wielding Dracula fighting someone all Agent Smiths Matrix style.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:18 No.8599792
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    "FREEZE!" a museum guard shouts as he aims his rifle at you. CURSES! You've been found out!

    Grabbing the impaler's steak, you have a few options.

    Do you kill this guard for seeing you take the steak? Do you just book it or do you risk going for shlong too?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:18 No.8599795
    If that happens that FSN is a fucking brilliant troll.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:18 No.8599802
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    >vlad the impaler's noble phantasm
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:18 No.8599803
    I see no problem with this.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:19 No.8599808
    give him a hug with your bear hands
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:19 No.8599812
    then we shall impale her
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:19 No.8599816
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    Weird, I can't find any images of Alucard. I swear I saved at least one.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:19 No.8599817

    Whoops meant stake.

    I'm such a moron.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:19 No.8599819
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:19 No.8599820
    Turn him into a bear then ride him out of the building. Then escape into the sewers and cut a swath of carnage in the hobos. Return home and summon Dracula.
    >> Witness1 !FbA1rz4uFY 03/15/10(Mon)16:20 No.8599830

    Impale the penis on the stake, summon Rasputula!
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:21 No.8599837
    Oh god no...
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:21 No.8599839
    deflect his bullets with our MIGHTY ABS (and magic), try to grab the rasputin artifact on the way out
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:21 No.8599842
    Oh my god. Lets kill the guard with the steak! It will solve the immediate problem and will probably act as a summoning catalyst for Vlad!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:21 No.8599843
    Knock him the fuck out.

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:21 No.8599847
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:21 No.8599850
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:22 No.8599855
    Thats kind of a good idea...
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:22 No.8599858
    Meh, serve you all right for taking the easy route.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:22 No.8599859
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:22 No.8599860
    Is the steak fossilised? Can we still pop it in the microwave after we get back?
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:22 No.8599863
    >implying museum guards carry real rifles
    that's a toy
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:23 No.8599864
    don't be a retard. there's no magic circle and we're not at top magic hour. DOING IT WRONG, OH SO WRONG
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:24 No.8599878
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:24 No.8599881
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:24 No.8599882

    Or he summons the armies of the Wallachian, Hellsing style.

    I had an idea that as a servant he could have the ability to control blood, like that one guy from Flame of Recca, or like Gato-1's shadow. Or something.

    >It's behind glass though. CURSES! How will you reach it!?

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:24 No.8599887
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    >He actually does think magic circles and "top of your power" has any relevance to summoning!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:24 No.8599888
    If the circumstances are right, you don't need that shit.

    Remember how Saber was summoned?
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:24 No.8599896
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    You proceed to catch him in mighty Russian Bear Hug. Squeezing every last breath from his body.

    He collapses down in front of you. Unconscious. You hear more footsteps about. It seems like they're starting to catch on that it was a false alarm.

    This could complicate things. Even if you're a mage you can't risk exposing yourself or your mission to normal people. Going for the shlong might be too risky.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:25 No.8599902
    No. Gil is powerful because a) he has a crapton of NPs b) he comes from times where both humans were simpler, which in Nasuverse means more powerful by the logic that they originally were more focused on their original goal (killing power etc)

    Saber is powerful because she a) is a dragon reincarnation b) made a pact with the world

    Also, Berserker > Saber.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:25 No.8599904
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:25 No.8599906

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:26 No.8599911
    >Top of power

    Dude, magic circle or not, summoning a servant drains your mana like hell. And even though most of the bullshit fed to mages is fake, the servants DO take prana from the master. So, yeah, being a top of power helps.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:26 No.8599915
    Leave the cock, get out and prepare for the summoning!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:26 No.8599920
    Reinforcement magic on skin. Become bulletproof, knock him out gently, walk away calmly.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:27 No.8599931
    >both humans and weapons were simpler

    Also, forgot to mention: fame gives a boost of strength but only in the lands where the legend is strong. That's why no servant in both FSN and FZ got a fame bonus.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:27 No.8599934
    Do it anyway. Give genitals to trusted friend, have him/her summon Rasputin. Fight side by side until the final battle between the two of you. Teamwork could allow us to go far.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:27 No.8599937
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    >This could complicate things. Even if you're a mage you can't risk exposing yourself or your mission to normal people. Going for the shlong might be too risky.

    I guess it's time to leave. Stride imperiously through the front door carrying the stake, acting like there's nothing unusual in you having it.

    Hail taxi. Cross this museum off your ever dwindling lists of public places you are no longer allowed to go.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:27 No.8599942
    Saber was also rather weakened by her incomplete summoning as well as Shirou's shortcomings as a magus.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:27 No.8599944
    Beserker is only better then saber due to MAD ENHANCEMENT.

    (although the loli wasn't using it most of the time, saber was also not on her top form anyways.)
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:27 No.8599945
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    Maybe you slept through the VN. Maybe you didn't read it. But it takes a hell of a lot of time to explain to you both in Fate Stay Night and Fate/Zero that NONE OF THE SHIT USED TO SUMMON A SERVANT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED NOR DOES IT FACTOR INTO ANYTHING.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:28 No.8599951
    >Female Gilgamesh Maid Outfit.jpg

    Actually thats shota Gil from Ataraxia. They turn him into a shota with that immortality herb he chased around in the old days to cure him off his grail-taint induced dickheadness.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:29 No.8599956
    Either way we win. If we end up having to fight Rasputin, it's still okay.

    Also, the gilposter should pay attention to the fact that the FSN game itself is filled with exceptions. That Rin tried to set up the conditions to summon Saber as much as possible and wasn't instead screwed up by a very unlikely scenario means nothing in the grand scheme of Grail Wars. It was an unorthodox war.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:29 No.8599957
    Technically Sasaki Kojiro should have one, but inadequate Master etc etc.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:29 No.8599966
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    You're pretty stupid. I have transgendered Gil images because she is mai waifu.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:29 No.8599967
    I KNOW

    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:30 No.8599971
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:30 No.8599978
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    You decide to cut your losses and book it.

    You make your way outside the front doors, move past the crowd of people and proceed to hail a taxi. A nervous cab drives up, opens the door and lets you in. You relax on the back seat, pull out a list and mark it off the map.

    "So uhh... where too mac?" the cab driver asks.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:31 No.8599988
    And that too then. I was just pointing out that Gil getting turned into a trap for a while is canon.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:31 No.8599991
    Rin got Archer because of the catalyst she used, not because of any weird fuck-ups. She didn't have any relics, so she chose her strongest magic jewel which is incidentally the jewel she used later on to save Shirou. AND WE ALL KNOW WHO SHIROU LATER BECOMES.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:31 No.8599995
    He wasn't actually the real Kojiro, just somebody who was mistaken in his times for him - a Wraith type Servant, just like True Assassin.

    No, without mad enchantment Berserker would have superior instincts and skills that were blocked due to insanity. Also, read about his bow NP.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:32 No.8600003
    Lets ride home, then bearhug the driver, take him up to our room, impale him on the stake, try to summon Dracula.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:33 No.8600019
    There aren't that many genderswapped Gilgamesh pictures. None of them are porn.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:33 No.8600023

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:33 No.8600028
    wherever that is
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:33 No.8600030
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    He doesn't even look like a trap in Hollow Axataria, he just looks shota, which incidentially is what he is.

    Well until he goes "FUCK IT".
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:34 No.8600037
    Ahhh FSN. PROVING that even mythology is better as an anime
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:34 No.8600044
    Not mistaken, he didn't exist period. It was implied that he was a fabrication brought about by Musashi to brag of his own skills, it's just that he became so famous/people actually believed that he was a historical person which led to him being a Heroic Spirit.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:34 No.8600045
    Just imagine the maid outfit on him~

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:36 No.8600062
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    You think I don't know that? Just stating it out loud for no reason makes you look stupid.

    He is an unreliable narrator at best. Currently he could be:

    An apparition forged from the legend
    A faker
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:36 No.8600063
    ...that's what I said.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:36 No.8600064
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    How about Gil in Saber's clothing?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:37 No.8600075

    This. Home most likely, as we don't seem like thetype to know the nearest Ley Line convergance sites location.
    Besides, a hundred pounds worth of Rifts sourcebooks tell me that it's a bad idea to go near those anyway.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:37 No.8600076
    We just need good artists to draw more.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:38 No.8600090
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    Alexander the Great getting Arthur Pendragon drunk at a party with Gilgamesh of Uruk.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:38 No.8600092
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    He drives you back to your home in little Russia.

    The small, one room apartment is now being filled with trinkets from home. Trinkets to try and assist in your summoning that is.

    Now your steak is ready and you wish to summon Vlaud the impaler. However there are a few specific things you can do first. Like: what class do you summon him as? What charms do you put into this summoning?

    Do you wait till midnight tonight when you believe your magical energy will be at maximum?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:38 No.8600094
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    >good artists
    >Japanese animation shit.
    Oh how you jest.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:39 No.8600115
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    >> Goddamn Sandwitches 03/15/10(Mon)16:39 No.8600116

    And yes, we should wait till the height of our power if not just to top off his tank with Magic Power.

    And make fucking sure that all the clocks are fucking working!
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:39 No.8600119

    I still think that it was more than a little ironic that it was Kojirou who was the fake made up servant in a Grail War with Hercules, Medusa and King Arthur all walking about as supposed legitimate figures from history.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:40 No.8600126
    Is that a hundred pounds as in weight or a hundred pounds as in currency?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:40 No.8600128
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    Sigurd, the dragon slayer.
    Gram the sword of the chosen: B
    A legendary sword able to cleanly cut all earthly materials and most others with ease.

    Dragon Blood - Immortality: A
    Immune against attacks ranked A or lower everywhere except his left shoulder.

    Dragon Blood - Language Winged Beasts: C
    Able to converse with with birds and other winged creatures.

    Dragon Heart - Prophecy: A
    By concentrating in a calm environment he can somewhat gaze upon the future, and or distant locations though fuzzy.

    Height: 197cm
    Weight: 102

    Strength: B
    Endurance: A+
    Agility: A
    Magical Energy: B
    Luck: D
    Noble Phantasm: A

    Mind's Eye (True): A
    Able to sense the flow of things, sensing movement and gives the ability to sense actions before they are executed.
    If there is a chance of victory, as long as it exist, be it 1% or less, this abillity greatily improves the chance of success.
    Bravery: A+
    Ability to ignore mental interfearance such as coercion. confusion or illusions.

    Wears a full armor - helmet with exceedingly large shouldercaps.
    A dark red/brown cape, short beard, shoulder length hair with some braids.
    [spoiler]Best Servant, you know it to be true[/spoiler]
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:40 No.8600130
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    What class do you summon him as?
    The grail decides that, fuckwit.
    What charms do you put into this summoning?
    None, as the grail does everything by itself and no preparations or catalyst like the stupid steak is needed to get the servant WHICH THE GRAIL HAS DECIDED FOR YOU IN ADVANCE.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:40 No.8600131
    Musashi was a hack anyway.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:40 No.8600133
    We wait till midnight, and throw around items that are vampiric in nature or have something to do with the whole impaler legend. IE: Splash blood around! Impale hobo on a stick, dead bats, etc.!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:41 No.8600147
    wait until midnight.
    try for lancer, but if not, go for caster.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:42 No.8600161
    Gil has Gram.

    Read back, we gave up any canon connection earlier, this is alternate Nasuverse or something. Just go with the flow.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:42 No.8600163
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    /tg/ has drawfags. Grab one of those sometimes.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:42 No.8600169
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    >Where would be a good place to find artifacts of immaculate power?

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:42 No.8600170
    >hurr hurr hurr I expect the same art movements to happen concurrently over the world

    You are sort of faggot who thinks "taste" is an objective quality don't you
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:43 No.8600175
    Even if it is true, the Grail at least gives you the illusion that you are in charge. Everyone with proper catalysts got the Servant they wanted.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:43 No.8600176
    Well, it can be assumed that vlad used lances. I mean, everyone knew how to use one back then. And he DID impale people a few times.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:43 No.8600178
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    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:43 No.8600181
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    I do believe we are in an alternate universe
    Maybe in this universe clicking your heels summons your servant

    That being said, summon him as Vampyro.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:43 No.8600182
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    Never, I'm going to point it out every time until you stop fucking everything up.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:44 No.8600191

    ... show me the background of that Jap picture and THEN we'll talk. Jap art was shit on people but spend fucktons of time on landscapes and animal shots. It's basically the opposite of western art in that they put greater emphasis on the people and less on the backgrounds in most cases.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:44 No.8600196
    ...where the fuck did you take that from ? Yes, the grail decides the class (unless you add an additional line to the summoning to summon your hero as a berserker). No, the catalyst influences who you summon - it can be a handpicked artefact for the hero you want. If you don't possess such, the grail picks the hero, but one that will somehow match you.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:44 No.8600198
    And then we summon Hitler. Whom I actually stated as a Servant. Ack, so lazy to do it again... I did Hitler, some arabian dude with an awesome magic sword, the Red Baron, Rasputin, Jack The Ripper...
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:45 No.8600204
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    It does no surprise me that some random wakfu retard can only post the same as what has already been posted.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:45 No.8600210
    Its fucked up beyond hope. But it has glorious Motherland!
    I'm in for the lulz.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:46 No.8600221
    >in most cases
    Yes, when it is a portrait, they don't focus on the background at all. In fact, in the example, 3 of the western images have beautiful backgrounds. The pressure is on the one making the claim. Present some "beautiful" jap art.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:47 No.8600230
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    Read Fate/Stay Night
    Read Fate/Zero

    Forget everything in the anime.

    By the way I just want to correct the people who said Ilya was only a few months old. She is/was NINETEEN YEARS OLD.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:47 No.8600232



    You may know this, but why would a muscle-bound russian in an alternate reality grail war know all of this?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:47 No.8600237
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    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:48 No.8600246
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    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:48 No.8600250
    I did admit I was fucking stupid when I said that. I mixed it up with her short life expectancy if she survives the Grail War.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:49 No.8600260
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    Not true. A master can decide to summon Berserker if he so chooses.


    You sit in your home and decide to try and make the mood appropriate.

    Unfortunately you don't really have much that fits into the old vampire myth. So you wind up having to go to an old drug store and go through their Halloween decorations for extra atmosphere.

    Finally sun sets and the moon rises in the sky... a full moon at that! The hour draws nearer... it's a good thing all your clocks are working. I mean. What retarded mage forgets to accurately tell time?

    Anyway. Between the plastic bats, the sheep's blood you got from the local butcher and the tiny rats you impaled on little wooden spikes, your current lodgings looks legitimately gothic enough that you should be able to summon him.

    Solemnly, the clock strikes 12... and you whisper your enchantments.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:49 No.8600264
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    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:50 No.8600276
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    It just bothered me and I didn't see your next post then. Didn't want to just post what could be a random statement when I had an image to go with it.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:50 No.8600279
    Brace for impact!
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:50 No.8600280
    so little detail in the small size... Sorry, does not impress me. Points for replying, though.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:51 No.8600288
    In b4 different servant
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:51 No.8600296
    Shirou -> 17
    Iliya -> 18
    Rin -> 17.5
    Sakura -> 16
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:52 No.8600309
    Flandre Scarlet from Touhou...


    Anyway, please be it normal Dracula or something.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:53 No.8600315
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    No. The class and servant itself is always decided beforehand. Again, read F/SN and Fate/Zero.

    I honestly forgot which one states it.

    Spoilers for UBW for anyone who is going to read it and has not already done so.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:53 No.8600320
    ok, i liked that one

    NOW lets have some dracula in this house!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:53 No.8600325
    1. Summon Vlad as Berserker.
    2. Do not activate Mad Enhancement.
    3. Fight Grail War.
    4. Get into shit.
    5. 'My Servant is actually a Berserker!'
    6. ?

    You know... too bad Ahab is fictional, he' d make a great lancer.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:54 No.8600328
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    Stop posting. You may be right about what class the Servant is summoned as. The amount of control the summoner has over that is negligible. But *which* servant you summon IS believed to be effected by what artifacts you have.

    Example, Tohsaka Tokiomi, who managed to summon Gil by using the skin of the snake who stole his potion of immortality.

    Gee, I wonder why Shirou, who had Avalon inside him, summoned King Arthur instead of Sir Bors or Ector?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:54 No.8600335
    With how OP persists in spelling it as steak, I wouldn't be surprised if we summon some legendary cook.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:54 No.8600337
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    How about this then.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:54 No.8600338
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    >What Russian heroes of time are there...
    vassili zaitsev
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:54 No.8600340
    You tweak the summoning ritual in order to summon Berserker, but it only works if the servant have gone berserk at least once in their lifetime.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:55 No.8600345
    Played it.
    Read it.

    Now you do it.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:55 No.8600350
    because the grail is a dick
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)16:56 No.8600358

    I don't think that's going to be a problem with us here though is it? Was there ever a time when Vlad the Impaler was sane?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:56 No.8600361
    inb4 Edward
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)16:56 No.8600364
    but that looks western
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:56 No.8600371
    Would Mad Enhancement actually affect Vlad? Since he was ALWAYS CRAZY ALL THE TIME?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:58 No.8600388
    If this summoning actually goes as planned and we get the Servant we're expecting I will be very disappointed.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:58 No.8600389
    Maybe you should start reading the source material instead.

    I have no proof on hand though, which is my greatest mistake. I just remember it being explicitly stated. Just as surely as it was stated that Gilgamesh > Arcueid (standard).
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:58 No.8600391
    Inb4 female Caster or Rider who has NOTHING to do with vampires
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)16:58 No.8600401
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    forgot my image
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)16:58 No.8600402
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    It appears in front of you. A figure dressed in dark clothing, first apparently wrapped in a shroud of the dead. Slowly it pulls back to reveal a finely dressed body underneath. Bejeweled ornaments, fantastical designs and patterns are sewn into the cloth.

    He looks at you with red eyes, demonized by the millions of people who have come to associate his name with the nightmares that people dream of. His air of calm, collected ambition is kept back from you however. Slowly he places a pair of dark colored spectacles over his eyes. There is no doubt the man before you is Drakule voevode.

    "So... are you the man who summoned me?" he asks.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)16:59 No.8600418
    Interesting then Nasu said another self contradictory statement? Since he did say in an interview that Arc (standard) > 4-5 Servants together.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:00 No.8600425
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    Why would Tokiomi have the skin anyway? Did he just keep it for sentimental value, or he had a snakeskin fetish?
    He's not some hack mage like Rin (Even if her potential is excellent) or Shirou.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:00 No.8600428
    You obviously didn't read FZ yourself. Otherwise you'd remember that during the summoning of berserker Zouken told Kariya to add lines to the chant.

    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:00 No.8600431
    Its on now.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:01 No.8600445
    It really is too bad that there have been no mention of norse heroes other than their weapons, Hrunting and Gram.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:01 No.8600450
    Nasu Word of God is notoriously unreliable. I'll stick to what's in the games and books, thank you.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)17:01 No.8600451
    hell yeah BITCH! are you ready to penetrate innocents with your great wood to gather mana?

    Wait... gender please?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:02 No.8600461
    >"So... are you the man who summoned me?" he asks.

    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:02 No.8600463
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:02 No.8600471
    identify ourself and ask for his servant class
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)17:02 No.8600472
    you forgot MANLY BRUSH BEARD
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:03 No.8600479

    Isn't Gram the sword used by Siegfried though? I though he was German?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:03 No.8600483
    This. With as much Zangeif angryface and muscle flexing as possible.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:03 No.8600491
    That's because ALL the mages believe in it. Its not like it wouldn't have been shot down if there were people who didn't believe in it.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:03 No.8600493

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:04 No.8600504
    You guys may be happy you have a manly servant now.
    But you're going to regret it once the time for mana transfer comes around.

    Depending on how capable our Einzbern is as a magus.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:05 No.8600521
    He can feast on the populace as much as he wants. Feeding solved.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:05 No.8600529
    He most likely didn't. Someone probably sold him some fake.

    Seriously you can't possibly be sure what he got was any way real.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:06 No.8600539

    Considering that the Einzberns chose us, I'd assume we'd know at least how to do a standard non homosexual mana-transfer.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:07 No.8600551
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    The only reason Shirou used mana transfer that way was because he WASN'T A GODDAMN MAGE.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:07 No.8600556
    also we can impale some random fucks
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:07 No.8600564
    Who knows? It might be real, they got the herb in Ataraxia, and Hercules was summoned via a piece of stone from his temple that the Einzberns stole.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:07 No.8600568
    >arguing for using source material
    >arguing against source material

    You just don't want to admit to mistake.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:07 No.8600573
    Gil is Cannonically 5x stronger than a normal servant.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:08 No.8600588
    >Hercules was summoned via a piece of stone from his temple that the Einzberns stole.
    This isn't exactly a hard to find item just fyi. Some of the ruins still stand today.
    >> LIBERTY PRIME !DemHIPsgzA 03/15/10(Mon)17:09 No.8600598
    >releasing an evil ancient vampire to feed on RED COMMUNIST RUSSIANS
    i find this delicious
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:09 No.8600600
    Then they would roughly be tiptoeing eachother.

    Gil if fuckass huge strong but Marble Phantasm = Godmode and Easy Mode in one.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:10 No.8600612
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    The funny thing is, you're right; I've only played Tsukihime.

    For a guy who supposedly played FSN and Zero, you sure don't know much more about the games than I do.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:10 No.8600616
    No. He said Arc > Servant due to the fact she always gets powered up by the planet above the level of the opponent. He also said that two Servants could take her on if one of them blind sided her. Also, Gil = 5 Servants = 30% Arc.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:10 No.8600626
    Arcueid (standard 30%) is not Arcueid (Crimson Moon)
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:11 No.8600628
    Sigfried is the german name of Sigurd or "Sigurðr" the same hero nonetheless.
    The origin of his legends aren't exactly known but the vast majority of his legends are norse legends in old norse, and many argue that this is also the origin of said legends.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:11 No.8600642
    No. He was a mage. Even Rin said that a low level apprentice like him should be able to do it automatically and that something was obstructing the transfer due to the oddity of the Saber/Shirou bond (lolavalon).
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:12 No.8600644
    >i dont want to admit being wrong therefore you know less than me
    yes, of course. now go away troll.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:13 No.8600670
    Well, mind you Tsukihime characters are utter monsters compared to the F/SN ones. Arc (rape), Shiki (raperape), Len (superior magical being) and Ciel (only thing missing is True Magic) all are broken tier beings in the Nasuverse. And Melty Blood is turning canon soon... oh god... Wallachia, Nrvnsqr (yeah he was in Tsuki as well), W. Len, half the fakes, Aoko, etc.

    Goddamn everyone has Reality Marbles, or even multiple Reality Marbles.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:13 No.8600671
    >implying he knows more after so many fuck ups

    ahahahaha oh wow
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:14 No.8600687
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    Well I dunno, you were blatantly wrong about the catalysts, then compared it to Nasu WoG which is infamously flighty. Moreover, it was a simple fact that anyone with a cursory knowledge of the setting rather than just the plot of the games would know. Even a nub like me was aware that Gil is stronger than 30% Arc.

    I was just disputing your blatantly wrong claim that catalysts have no effect on what you summon. After all, that's the single most important reason, besides similarity of disposition, (the default sorting algorithm for which Servants get which Masters) that Rin summoned Archer.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:15 No.8600693
    She can still use her Marble Phantasm. And arguing about Arc 100% is meaningless, she's Crimson Moon then, end of the world.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:15 No.8600694
    Shirou isn't a mage. He doesn't have an inherited magic circuit, he doesn't have any training. The thing that created his magic WAS Avalon.

    You know all the mentions of Shirou being her sheath and shit and how his magic is MAKING SWORDS? It all comes from Avalon's presence in him.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:15 No.8600704
    Not exactly. Arc ? Why yes, she rapes almost everything ? Ciel ? Only defensive battle against normal Servants (and FYI, 5th war servants are far above normal). Shiki ? Not even defensive fight, also his eyes wouldn't probably work according to multiple accounts on nasu part.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:15 No.8600705
    Continue the story already OP!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:16 No.8600709
    Nasu did state that he could bring normal Arcueid down but what is even more crazy is that he claimed that he posed a threat to a full powered one as well.
    Something along the lines of "It isn't that strange that Gilgamesh the king of heroes that the gods themselves could not kill would be able to pose a threat to Arcueid"
    I don't know how his reasoning went but there you have it, I believe it he said soemthing like that at least.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:16 No.8600717
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    Get our new servant a maid uniform, receive power up.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:17 No.8600726
    where did OP go?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:17 No.8600731
    Will you guys stop arguing about FSN canon?

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:17 No.8600732
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    But his Origin word is also "Sword," isn't it?

    It's true that Shirou was creating new magic circuits every time he tried to use magecraft, but wouldn't that indicate he's just a potential mage of very low ability, rather than a traditional one with an inherited Seal and family knowledge?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:18 No.8600736
    Nasu said both things that he can kill them and that he can't. Its a matter of knowledge on his part, and later Shiki is pretty much in the know.

    Also while I dislike Ciel, that superior magic circuits, the ability to use divine scriptures, then the 7th Heaven, etc. make her formidable.
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    Careful though, other masters know of the maid uniform connection.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:18 No.8600746
    100% Arcueid is only as strong as a strong type (one of the most beings in that universe, but not unrivaled)
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:19 No.8600767
    No. He has above normal number of cicuts (27). What you might mean is that he doesn't have a mage family crescent (I hope you know what that is), but that isn't mandatory, only very useful.

    Avalon didn't create his magic, it greatly influenced him and his love for swords. It might even be the reason he didn't explode every time he created a circuit instead of turning it on.

    Play. The. Damn. Game.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:19 No.8600773
    This and this. I want RUSSIAN GLORY and IMPALER MADMAN fighting crime already!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:20 No.8600777
    I'm guessing all this arguing over what should/should not happen in *his* AU setting scared him off.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:20 No.8600781
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    People who dislike Ciel make me sad.

    But yeah, it's kind of irrelevant to OP's topic anyway since this is for the lulz and not necessarily accurate to canon anyway.
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    and they may improve upon the technique.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:21 No.8600791
    She's told to be slightly weaker than CM, who was stated to be weaker than the rest of the TYPEs.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:22 No.8600806
    in b4 unlimited rin works
    >> AND NOW FOR YOUR SERVANTS STATS FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)17:22 No.8600808
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    Vlad Ţepeş
    Vampiric - Immortality: A
    Due to Vlaud's demonic nature. He is immune to any attack that is not holy or silver in nature.

    Vampiric Ability - Drain Mana: B
    Vlaud does not require direct blood from his master in order to sustain himself. He can drain mana from surrounding life forms and other masters/servants.

    Vampiric Power - Limited Shapeshift: C
    Vlaud can take the form of any wolf, bat or mist.

    Vampiric Power - Children of the Night: C
    Vlaud can mentally control any wolf or bat.

    Heroic Form - Dutiful King: B
    Vlaud is a contradiction of both being praised as a hero by his people but reviled as a demon everywhere else. As such is forced to live a cursed existence. By day, he loses all of his abilities (but his stats increase by 1 rank) and by night he requires twice as much mana to operate as a normal servant but re-gains all of his abilities.

    Strength: D
    Endurance: C
    Agility: A
    Magical Energy: A
    Luck: C
    Noble Phantasm: B

    Terrifying/Noble Presence: A+
    Vlaud can easily manipulate anyone who he is interacting with. He can overcome anyone with even the slightest amount of fear in their hearts.
    Shadows: B
    Vlaud can conceal himself relatively well in dim light and move without a sound.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:22 No.8600809
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    Avalon's origin is "sword". Avalon's presence in a dying boy altered him through his life. That's why he is THE BONE OF HIS SWORD.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:22 No.8600812
    100% Arcueid in her corruption is Crimson Moon AKA Type-Moon AKA "I'll crash the moon in you bitch and you'll all die like it was predicted thousands of years ago and we can all have some post apocalyptic fun with the other Aristoteles"
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:22 No.8600823


    If you start a Quest you should be fully prepared to see it through to it's conclusion, should that come at the end of a day, a week, or the better part of year.

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:23 No.8600837
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    Oh and yes he has potential. Just like any other normal person has magic potential.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:25 No.8600855
    no direct weapon? Is he a caster?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:25 No.8600868
    Swords or something related to it was his element, everyone has one magus or not, swords just happened to be a rather odd one.
    His magic did not stem from Avalon at all, all Avalon did was save his life on multiple occasions were he would have normally died, hence the infamous "People die when they are killed" quote that he said when he pointed out that he had already broken that obvious rule several times, only that it wouldn't work again, as he said at one point.
    It was his catalyst for Saber and a life saver.
    His magic comes from his element and his way of life/ideal.
    And yes he isn't a proper magus at all, I believe it was in UBW, Archer stated at one point when he was talking about Rin and her role as a tutor, that Rin as a properly tought magus would never understand the magic of an self-tought magic user that uses his "nervous system" instead of ordinary magic circuits.
    His point was more or less that Shirou's magic was way different than ordinary magic even fundamental levels.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:25 No.8600871
    >Vampiric - Immortality: A
    Due to Vlaud's demonic nature. He is immune to any attack that is not holy or silver in nature.

    Oh god we won.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:26 No.8600872
    >implying that you can change someone's origin
    >implying that everyone can be a mage

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:26 No.8600886
    A lot of those names are pretty stupid and should in any sane setting be switched out for more generic terms.

    PS: No you shouldn't edit it its fine for our purposes and intents.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:27 No.8600888
    You used the Sigurd chart as a template, amiright?
    It's all cool.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:27 No.8600891
    Screencapped! Now, about AEUG Quest...
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:27 No.8600894
    except the church will get involved LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)17:27 No.8600899
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    You proceed to give Vlaud a MANLY NOD in his direction. He seems to acknowledge it as he doesn't bother to ask about it any further.

    "Then I have been summoned? To participate in the Grail War? How interesting..." he moves up to you.

    "If you are my master then speak. What is your plan of attack?"
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:28 No.8600909
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    Nvm. Cocks and that.


    >Vampiric - Immortality: A
    >Due to Vlaud's demonic nature. He is immune to any attack that is not holy or silver in nature.

    USEFUL. But sure to bite us in the ass once someone get's his identity.

    >Vampiric Ability - Drain Mana: B
    >Vlaud does not require direct blood from his master in order to sustain himself. He can drain mana from surrounding life forms and other masters/servants.

    Oh fuck yes. This is useful as well.

    Vlaud is a contradiction of both being praised as a hero by his people but reviled as a demon everywhere else. As such is forced to live a cursed existence. By day, he loses all of his abilities (but his stats increase by 1 rank) and by night he requires twice as much mana to operate as a normal servant but re-gains all of his abilities.

    Fair. We'd be doing most of our Servant hunting during the night anyway.

    >checks skills

    Oh cool, one dot in Obsfucate and Dominion.

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:28 No.8600915
    >Due to Vlaud's demonic nature. He is immune to any attack that is not holy or silver in nature.

    Servant Archer better be fictional hero Van Hellsing, who wields a crossbow loaded with blessed silver bullets.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:29 No.8600927
    Lol the fact that his powers work only at night works out nicely for the purposes of a Master.
    You'd have to be a total idiot to risk fighting in daylight.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:29 No.8600931
    First we scout the town at night, searching for other servants/masters, meanwhile Vlad can eat people because STRONG MEN EAT MUCH STRONG MEN EAT GOOD AND GET STRONGER!

    At they we go incognito and try to hide our presence as much as we can. Also play Castlevania.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:29 No.8600935

    Survive the One Year War first, and then we'll talk.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:29 No.8600938

    "That I did. I assume you are Dracula, former lord of Wallachia?"

    Make sure to say this in a calm and professional tone of voice, and to maintain eye contact with him.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:30 No.8600949
    >you cant change someones origin!!!
    Your origin comes from what you are/were in your life/previous lives. Shirou was practically already dead when Avalon healed him. Its not his origin, its Avalon's origin he carries.

    >not everyone can be a mage!!!
    But that's explicitly stated for Waver Velvet's Family and Caster's Master in Fate/Zero.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:30 No.8600956
    >a+ presence
    FUCK YEAR, time for some justasplanned

    I think we should try to gather up some wolves n bats
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:32 No.8600973
    In the city? bad idea.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:33 No.8600991
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    I'd be more worried about the possibility of Saber being FINALLY Joan of Arc in this scenario.


    I'm not sure how MANLY it is to kill innocent women and children. Have Vlad simply absorb small amounts of Mana from everything around him apart from you, like Caster did in FSN.

    But definately, it's time to take back the initiative and take to the streets. Have Lancer summon bats and wolves and use them to help search for servants, the animals sixth senses should help in this regard.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:33 No.8600997
    so... is he a caster or what?

    either way, current plan should be gather information and night-strikes
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:34 No.8601009
    I somehow have a hard time to Believe that Vlad is going to take orders easily.
    We are talking about completely mad nobility here who according to legend studied the dark arts in pursuits of becoming his own god or something like that. (He ended up literally becoming an outcast of the world instead, as he chosed to not be a part of it wanting to be better than it)
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:34 No.8601018
    FFS, I can't do this anymore. Time and time people prove you wrong, you make some new shit up. Also, anyone who picks up a magic book and knows how to use it can cast spells like Shinji, (who didn't even have magic circuits, which, as you SHOULD know, makes being a mage impossible) but that doesn't make you a mage.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:35 No.8601024

    But you're right, too much of a huss with all the bodies. I wonder what powers we ourselves have, and does Vlad have any Noble Phantasms?

    In the meantime lets play Castlevania with him.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:35 No.8601027
    ditto this anon
    though figuring out where we can get access to wolves and bats in the area should the need arise would be good
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:36 No.8601038
    Have Vlad raid the blood banks.
    Surely he could get some nourishment from that!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:36 No.8601043
    Oh, and once more, stop making shit up about changing origin.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:36 No.8601047
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    Bat's then. Or possibly small wolves. Besides it's night, if they stay to the shadows then most people will just think they're stray dogs.

    In any case, the worst that will happen is that curfew will be called and they'll be a police prescence on the streets, which I suspect will be more of an incovenience to the othe mages than to us.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)17:37 No.8601049
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    "I see. Scout first shall we?" he moves to the window, opens it up and observes the night sky.

    "You no doubt know who I am. But I, on the other hand, know nothing of you. If we are expected to... work together on this mission. Then tell me. Who are you?"
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:37 No.8601055
    Actually if I remember correctly, those books were converted Magic Crests, and Fuckface was taught only how to active them, he didn't cast spells on his own.

    Also there is a difference between Mage and a Magic-User.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:38 No.8601066
    >copy/paste of our earlier character description
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:38 No.8601076
    Fuck yes.
    If you actually include Sigfried into the story it could end up being quite funny.
    Both being seemingly immortal, and if Sigfried would be a caster class he would be further resistant to his spells and Sigfried would lack holy and silver artifacts.
    Both would have familiars in the shape of birds and bats.

    Vlad would be more like the shadow that is all over the place and Sigfried would be the mighty hero in the middle, not being tainted.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:39 No.8601077
    I love that picture.

    D. Sakura: "I'll rape a new asshole for this faggot"
    Kotomine: "Fuck... Hah, at least I'll get laid."
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:39 No.8601080
    Yeah, pretty much what I wanted to say, but I'm too tired to put up with this anymore.

    Anyway thanks for correction.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:39 No.8601083

    Introduce ourselves as Volg Z. Einzbern, magi of the Einzbern family, BE MANLY ABOUT IT.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:39 No.8601091
    So what magic spells did Shinji cast again?

    Spoiler: The answer is none. He cannot cast spells. The only one casting spells was Rider and he could only control Rider because his family was the one who MADE THE SERVANT/MASTER BOND AND COMMAND SPELLS.

    You automatically assume that I'm saying anyone is a mage as soon as they try to cast spells. I never said that. It takes a long time for you to even learn basic magic and strengthen yourself enough to be able cast AND SURVIVE CASTING anything. This is an inheritable trait once you get it going.

    jeez one would think that you'd actually know anything about f/sn before discussing it. you're really pathetic.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:42 No.8601145
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    I was thinking we should find a new place to stay instead so we can have LEGIONS OF MINIONS without anyone noticing it normally.

    You know, because if the mediator of the church thinks we are giving away too much he will just send all the other masters after us.

    ...and that would be bad.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:42 No.8601150
    Says the guy who thought catalysts had nothing to do with which servant is summoned, and are just sentimental trinkets. :o
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:42 No.8601152

    Siegfried would either be Saber or Berzerker class. Wisdom of the Dragons Blood only goes so far.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:43 No.8601158
    >jeez one would think that you'd actually know anything about f/sn before discussing it. you're really pathetic.
    >constantly makes shit up and is constantly proven wrong
    You know, I usually tolerate trolls that can put up a discussion and aren't so obvious, but I'll decline after personal attack.

    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)17:43 No.8601159
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    "I see... Volg Z. Einzbern is it? Very well then. For convenience sake simply refer to me as Lancer," he says as he proceeds to move to the door.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:44 No.8601172
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    You assume I stopped believing in canon because you were trolling me. I assure you this is not true.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:44 No.8601183
    >only control Rider because

    Sakura relinquished her Command Spells to him.

    Anyway people...

    Mage: person who has official magic training by the Mage's Association.

    Magic User: any person who has learned how to activate/create magic circuits and uses magic.

    Mage: Professional magic user.
    Magic User: Casualfag.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:45 No.8601200
    >rider casting spells
    >failing to notice that ANYONE can make a contract with a servant
    >implying that he knows more about FSN

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:45 No.8601202
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    If you want to troll me by double posting you shouldn't make it so obvious that you're the same person as >>8601150

    You really are pathetic.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:47 No.8601220
    so he's a lancer? no mention of said lance in stat list... mostly mundane weapon then? not that we're gonna do much direct conflict...

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:47 No.8601221
    >thinking that only one person noticed he's full of bullshit

    Seriously, there are methods to compare IP. Do it.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)17:48 No.8601235
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    WELP! I think I'm pretty much done for now.

    Hold your seat for tomorrow! Tomorrow we introduce the NEXT servant of the Holy Grail war!
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:48 No.8601240
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    We follow him out. We spend the rest of the night searching for enemy masters, like us, trying to get an early lead.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:48 No.8601243
    Can we connect our senses? I believe Kotomine could do that with Lancer in F/SN, we should do that as well, also some basic strategy: do not attack servants on sight, try to find their masters, if things heat up, retreat for now.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:48 No.8601257
    It is really nice that /tg/ is on easymodo now.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:49 No.8601271
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    Mind looking at the book he carries. He doesn't actually carry the command spells, the book does.

    Rider was definitely not happy being under Shinji. If he had carried the command spells she might've been able to break the contract. But he was holding a goddamn magic book for enslaving servants made by the people who created the command spells.

    And yes anyone can make a contract, but the contract can be broken. See: Caster.

    You just keep losing and losing every argument. Maybe you should just stop?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:49 No.8601278
    Around what time will you be here tomorrow?
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:50 No.8601300
    Its naptime for me too. Good sir this was a pleasant surprise, I didn't think anything would come out of this quest thread and I was pleasantly disappointed, we actually are playing some sort of over the top Grail War, we're a crazy Russian bear-mage. And we can argue Nasuverse lore which is always fun.

    Wish I had my

    trollface:Nasuverse - /tg/:Roundtable picture.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:52 No.8601317
    I do believe I remember reading that creating a book like that costed a command spell each time.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:52 No.8601320
    What is our magic abillities, really?
    Kotomine was a bit like a spirit doctor, and also had great control of certain bonds and so on, and it was because of that he could connect his servants visual senses with his own, all the others used other stuff like familliars and crystal balls and so on.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:52 No.8601324
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    You mean this one?

    So, shall we archive this? Just in case?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:53 No.8601340
    Uh, reformulate your post please, its incomprehensible.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:53 No.8601350
    >You just keep losing and losing every argument.
    >been proved wrong multiple times across the thread

    Yeah, no. Yes, the book has command spells on it. No one argued against that. You're the one that said that he got a contract with Rider BECAUSE he's part of the Matou family and now you're trying to mask that. No, you can't break the contract at any time: Caster used Rule Breaker.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:55 No.8601382
    Errr, I didn't say HE has the command spell, on his body I mean, only that he has them, from what I remember the books held the spells as I said in my previous post.

    Anyway, Shinji is a cunt and cannot cast spells since he lacks any magic circuits. He has knowledge of magic, and/or how to activate magical items, but that's all.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)17:55 No.8601383

    We take our manly physique and further enhance it with strengthening magic, like Souchiro from the UBW route. Were basically Metal Zangief.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:55 No.8601387
    Contracts supplies mana
    Command spells make them obey you

    What Zouken did was that he transplanted a seal onto something that was not the host.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:55 No.8601388
    Before I forget. Servants can't terminate the contract whenever they want, only Masters can, but that's unrelated to the topic.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:56 No.8601391
    I said it was because he had the books, not because he was Matou.

    No wonder you fags don't know anything when you can't read simple English.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:56 No.8601399
    Sorry, I'm tired and medicated. I should gtfo to bed.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:57 No.8601404
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    Yes that is what I said.
    >> FSN !mF.IqWIAfs 03/15/10(Mon)17:57 No.8601405

    I'll probably be here from noon on tomorrow.

    Though don't necessarily think that we'll be keeping with good old bear mage and his friend. One of the fun things about F/SN (and Fate Zero indeed) is that there are many mages.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:57 No.8601417
    Leysritt is magical by nature however, so using strengthening magic wouldn't exactly be the same.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:58 No.8601426
    Cya tomorrow then.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:58 No.8601427
    Citing you:
    >he could only control Rider because his family was the one who MADE THE SERVANT/MASTER BOND AND COMMAND SPELLS.
    No mention of the book.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:58 No.8601434
    They can, its just that uh.

    In layman's terms we'd have to settle for "very hard".
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)17:58 No.8601444
    No, not like that, its the "Troll jumps infront of a group of chatting people, make a trollface and says "Nasuverse", then the next picture is the roundtable" kind of picture.

    Also archive this shit!
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:59 No.8601452
    Well then, reason why Lancer didn't terminate his contract with Kotomine please.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)17:59 No.8601460
    They just have to slay their master
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:00 No.8601469
    If you had read more than that post you'd have noticed me talking about the book >>8601427
    >He doesn't actually carry the command spells, the book does.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)18:01 No.8601491
    >Also archive this shit!

    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:02 No.8601494
    It's already archived (automatically)
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:02 No.8601499
    Because Kotomine could have said "Kill yourself" with a command spell and 99% that he couldn't have resisted it. Actually that happen in UBW route. But then Kotomine didn't count on Lancer surviving stabbing himself in the heart (due to rune magic) and then killing him before he died.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:02 No.8601508
    Remind you I said it is in layman's terms "very hard" with a normal master.

    Kotomine has inherited an unidentifiable number of command spells from his Father.

    What do I need to explain exactly?
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)18:02 No.8601509

    Kotomine used a command spell to force him not to. I think.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:03 No.8601517
    You corrected yourself about the book carrying the spells only after you've been called out on the fact that you said that he contracted her only because of his family speciality.
    >> I apologised on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 03/15/10(Mon)18:03 No.8601520

    Nothing automatic about it. I did it.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:05 No.8601543
    Servants can't break the contract.
    To do so they have to kill their master.
    Caster did this, but it ended up almost making her disappear due to lack of prana as she underestimated the master/servant relationship.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:05 No.8601546
    N-no, I don't think so, he just stole Bazette's command spells and Lancer, and had Gil allied with him by his free will.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:05 No.8601558
    Easymodo archives all the threads automatically, you didn't have to do anything.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:06 No.8601564
    What "don't you think so" exactly? There was nothing in that post which would make that a usable response.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:06 No.8601567
    By the time of 5th War, Kotomine admits to having only some left over command spells in HF. What he uses to control Lancer are Bazett command spells.
    So you just proven that he could kill him despite what Kotomine could do. And Lancer wanted to do that very much.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:07 No.8601588
    He didn't think that your claim was correct.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:07 No.8601589
    >By the time of 5th War, Kotomine admits to having only some left over command spells in HF.
    Perhaps because...

    Hold it...

    Excitement building up...

    MAYBE HE USED SOME?!!?!?!?!??!?!
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:08 No.8601598
    I think the keyword is surprise, if he head on attacks Kotomine the shock of resisting a command spell would allow Kotomine to effortlessly slay Lancer. But Kotomine didn't count on Lancer attacking after he kills himself.

    In short: he could have, but he would have surely failed.

    I THINK.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:08 No.8601610

    "Very hard".
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:09 No.8601628
    I meant that I don't think that's right in my opinion since it was stated that he stole 3 command spells from Bazette. Sorry I'm really tired.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:10 No.8601635
    Yeah, but lncer also wanted to participate int he war, even if he dispised Kotomine he wanted to stay, and defying his master would get in the way of that.
    He managed to get backa t Kotomine, yes? But at what cost? The war was over for him.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:10 No.8601645
    I never said it was impossible, that was one of the anons.

    I said that the chances of it working extremely unlikely and so Lancer did not rebel.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:10 No.8601647
    What part of it isn't right?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:11 No.8601650
    What for ? To make the no longer existing Assasin dance around ? He knew better not to try to order Gilgamesh. And even then, this still doesn't explain how does it make harder for his servant to break up pact, which, as I said, he can't break up.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:12 No.8601667
    The "Kotomine has inherited an unidentifiable number of command spells from his Father" part. I vaguely remember that in Fate/Zero good old daddy gave out Kotomine's Command Spells to those who killed Caster.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:12 No.8601668
    For one thing he used a command spell to order Lancer to gather intel without getting into heavy fights.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:13 No.8601683
    Those were Bazett command mantras.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:13 No.8601686
    His father gave out ONE(1) additional command spell.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:15 No.8601720
    I imagine it went like this:

    Kotomine with 0 Command Spells waltzes into Bazette's apartment with Gil at his back/hidden.

    Bazette welcomes Kotomine since he invited her in the first place.

    Gil defeats Lancer but does not kill him.

    Kotomine rips off Bazette's hand and leaves her dead.

    Kotomine now has 3 command spells.

    Kotomine uses one to force Lancer to work for him. Uses another one for that silly scouting mission, then the last one to force him to kill himself.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:16 No.8601735
    And didn't he use up the remaining ones with the Assassins?
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:17 No.8601763
    Actually, you're right on most accounts. First thing, Kotomine had at least one left over command spell. Second, Lancer wasn't at Bazett side when Kotomine attacked her.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:17 No.8601765
    That wasn't how it happened at all. In the flashback where its shown Bazette comes to the church to show that she has summoned her servant like all the other masters do. And there he kills Bazette and takes her command spells.
    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 03/15/10(Mon)18:21 No.8601818
    Fuzzy memory is killing me. So yeah, I'm just doing the math, 3 spells are enough to cover all actions of Lancer in F/SN, he does not control Gil. Dunno if he has remaining spells from the previous war but its unlikely since daddy gave out one, and I'm sure he used up more with the Assassins.

    Argh. I retreat, my brain isn't working. Thanks guys this was fun.
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:24 No.8601852
    Well, I'm going to sleep too, before that other guy start making some new shit up. But before I go:


    Read it unless you want to end up like him >>8601271
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:30 No.8601960
    >reading fanon is a good idea listen to me
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)18:39 No.8602115
    >the TYPE-MOON bible for westerners that contains translated material from not only all the works, but also magazines, nasu interviews etc
    >> Anonymous 03/15/10(Mon)19:14 No.8602612
    Just throwing it out there. We are a Reinforcement magic specialist. This means we can boost the natural properties of things (including, of course, our bodies). Assuming that we can only boost Lancer's physical stats, and only by one rank, we can still do the following:

    Vlad (Vampiric)
    Strength: D -> C
    Endurance: C -> B
    Agility: A -> A+
    Magical Energy: A
    Luck: C
    Noble Phantasm: B

    Vlad (Dutiful King)
    Strength: C -> B
    Endurance: B -> A
    Agility: A+ -> A++
    Magical Energy: A+
    Luck: B
    Noble Phantasm: A

    Reinforced Dutiful King Lancer is RIDICULOUS.
    Compare with Saber (Rin). WE CAN TOTALLY WIN THIS.

    STR A
    END B
    AGI B
    LCK A+
    MAN A
    N.P A+++

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