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    494 KB Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:14 No.8348872  
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:15 No.8348893
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:16 No.8348906
    ... Do it again.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:17 No.8348940
    Yeppers that thar is an elf.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:18 No.8348952
    an angry elf

    very angry
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:19 No.8348968

    Elven maidens often enjoy fresh dorf jizz in their ale.


    I am now imagining dom elf milking a dorf sub to get jizz in ale.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:19 No.8348974
    Okay, so you're a dude elf. If you bend over we can both pretend.
    >> northern /k/ommando 03/01/10(Mon)18:19 No.8348981
    ...what?. im just passing by. i havent done anything.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:19 No.8348982
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    I was just saying, you can't win a war with JUST archers, you need heavy cavalry!
    No, forget what happened at Crecilly, that was the Aquilonians being asshats, if you try that shit on the Cyrans they'll shove a cataphract wedge so far up your pointy-eared asses they'll be able to carve their names on the back of your teeth.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:19 No.8348985
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:21 No.8349027
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:22 No.8349037
    Not in the pooper then?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:23 No.8349061
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    It's not rape if it's an elf
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:23 No.8349071
    stop looking at me like that, just because I smell like smoke dosent mean im the one who set your forest on fire.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:23 No.8349076
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    But where the hell are we supposed to get heavy cavalry? We live in rolling hills and dense forestage, even if we could buy the chargers off of somebody, we'll never be able to armor them properly with our industrial base, nor will we be able to field the numbers of them required to make that kind of cavalry effective in this terrain.
    No, it's best to rely upon a fight & retreat doctrine, mounted archers and multipurpose skirmishing infantry. We've got no choice in the matter.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:23 No.8349079
    Girl I swear I masturbate while sleepwalking sometimes it doesn't mean anything really let's just put this behind us
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:24 No.8349085

    It's not love if it's a dwarf :(
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:26 No.8349130
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:27 No.8349146
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    And I sympathize with your situation, I really do, but what do you do when the Ruvians show up? Legionary infantry, good supply lines, heavy armor? You can't just arrow them to death, remember the Perthins? They had to use kataphractoi to spit their lines and THEN bombard them for six hours. If you try to fight the legions like you fight everyone else, they'll roof their houses with your ears.

    This is, of course, assuming that your infantry can't stand toe to toe with the legions as it is. Now, it may be that the elves have heavier infantry than we were led to believe, and if that's the case maybe you have a chance, but is that really worth betting on?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:29 No.8349190
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:30 No.8349216
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    We did a study of the Ruvians a while back, and I'll be the first to admit that we've got nothing that they don't have in a contest of raw strength.
    Now that being said, remember that their primary weakness isn't their supply lines, but rather their deployability. The Ruvians can move a baggage train like nobody else over short distances, but if you lead them on a merry chase, which is something we're very good at mind you, they run out of steam pretty fast. They overextend, and then you snip off their lines near the base, where they're not expecting you to.

    Orcs did it in Titanburg, we'll do it in Sylvania if we've got to.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:31 No.8349231
    Us humans consider long hugs to be a great honor, you know.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:32 No.8349239
    im sorry miss but the equipment you requested is not ready yet, and no giving me that angry look will not change anything.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:32 No.8349253
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    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:32 No.8349256

    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:33 No.8349258
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    You can't rely on the idea of your enemy overextending, what if they stop and fortify? What if they play logistical leapfrog? How willing are you to give up your sacred forests?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:33 No.8349272
    Christ, you piss in the elf's canteen just once and it's suddenly a huge deal.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:34 No.8349278
    That's a "Son, I am Disappoint" face if I ever saw one.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:35 No.8349305
    That's a Touhou.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:37 No.8349346
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    Entirely willing. Trees grow back, and by elvish standards, it doesn't even take particularly long. We're not interested in what is ON the land, only the land itself. The myth that a tree and some grass are what we're fighting to protect is strongly misleading. The very spirit of the land goes dormant when these things are destroyed, and we seek to free it again through their regrowth, but ultimately it is not the foliage itself that is sacred.

    Look at how the Haka tribesmen of the southern sea fight the Ponaturi sea-devils. The Ponaturi desire nothing more than to burn and destroy; they are like puppies, when they see an enemy flee, they follow. So you run from then, and you let them destroy a village, and you let them burn and pillage their way after you. And then, right as their gills begin to dry and they turn around to go back to the sea, they find your warriors standing between them and the water.
    A hungry enemy will overextend if he thinks himself victorious and his foe routing, regardless of whether or not he has what he wants already. If there is anything we elves are good at, it is looking like beaten cowards.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:38 No.8349354
    I'm sorry i'm not a fan of buying rope reed cloth, and wooden flutes.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:41 No.8349395
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    ...Fair enough. It seems I had misunderstood the asymmetric nature of elven warfare. I shall make note of this. Thank you, m'lady, forgive my comment referring to your unarmored horse as "rodeo clowns," it was in jest.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:41 No.8349406
    You're angry because you want me so bad.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:44 No.8349439
    Is OP picture male or female? I don't know which folder to store it in and whether or not I should fap to it.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:44 No.8349451
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    what if the goal is to occupy not to raid guerrilla warfare may not be enough to drive them out, and elves are not known for their stamina.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:45 No.8349462
    I'm betting on female, lips and eyebrows.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:46 No.8349477
    Good enough for me.

    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:47 No.8349498
    Well, it IS an elf. That could just as easily be a man.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:48 No.8349517
    There are no elf men. There are just masculine women.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:49 No.8349539
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    Occupy what? A bunch of trees and some hostile natives? We aren't Gaul, we have no cities, no treasures, and no natural resources beyond some wood and us ourselves, and the casualties we can inflict through our harrying would make any military endeavor completely unprofitable for any military professional enough to actually defeat us, even if we were all caught alive and sold into bondage afterwards.
    That being said, if someone was DETERMINED to defeat us, building wooden fortresses in a zig-zagging pattern and rapidly moving supplies forward between them under heavy guard would be the best bet. We cannot hope to defeat an opponent we cannot starve.
    >> Princess Angelique Dominique 03/01/10(Mon)18:50 No.8349553
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    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:51 No.8349558
    This will be in my next setting. They'll work basically as Asari do.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:53 No.8349599
    I was thinking complete parthogenesis, but that works too.

    It also nicely gets rid of half-elves.
    >> John Galt 03/01/10(Mon)18:53 No.8349605
    This is one of the most sound strategic discussions I've ever seen on /tg/. I am pleased at the lack of lolmagic.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:54 No.8349626
    Magic is unquantifiable, I generally assume that human numbers and elvish experience cancel each other out in that regard, leaving it to the mundane troops to get shit done.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:55 No.8349632

    >implying asari aren't space elves
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)18:57 No.8349669
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    Just a hypothetical question, it is best to plan for an possibly than to be caught unawares.

    Another possibility although one i'm sure the elves simply don't mind and can probably wait is containment. if the enemy decides you're to much of threat to be left unguarded but it would be useless to flush you out, he contains and keeps you from sallying forth to allies aid.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:02 No.8349766
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    Containing an enemy is basically as good as defeating him, I'll agree. However, one must bear in mind that the elvish forests aren't simply a 100 acre wood dropped in the middle of human lands. We are the Schwarzvald, the Balkan Woodlands, the forests of Sherwood. True forests of this size serve as national barriers in and of themselves, and are typically bordered by several countries at once. In order to contain an elvish wood, one must first convince all of their neighbors to do the same, or else conquer them first.
    Our elders have not discounted the possibility, which is why you will notice that most of our direct neighbors enjoy good relations with our people, and a burgeoning population of half elves.

    It is basic tactical thinking, like your human game "Go." Being surrounded is our weakness, so we surround ourselves with the trustworthy.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:02 No.8349770
    Containment would only really work if you were a: trying to stop the elves from conquering places or b: they were in small enough forests to effectively siege. If we are going by medieval level forestry, there is going to be a LOT of forest to try and contain.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:05 No.8349806
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:08 No.8349867
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    So, what is your response to organized raids? It seems to me that you lot are best at dealing with Roma- sorry, Ruvians, how would you best deal with the... Nords? Sea raiders, people who fight like you do with the intent to smash and grab.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:11 No.8349909
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    ah i see your point im still thinking in island terms (I once played in a campaign were the players were generals trying to conquer the fantasy British islands. My primary enemies were the local elves, dwarves, and halflings).

    I'm Interested in Elf logistics and what happens when the elves go on a major offensive campaign, I'm sure a harmony with nature greatly helps in generating resources and allies.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:11 No.8349924
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    That's a good question actually, and I don't think I have the answer. We rely on our enemy being ponderous and having supply lines, an enemy who arrives without warning, burns something down and then leaves is foreign to us.
    I would guess that the best bet would be to arm border villages and ensure that everyone is prepared to abandon their territory and launch a fighting retreat at any time. Ensuring that there is never anything worth stealing might help as well.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:12 No.8349937
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    I'm thinking the the elves just flee and rebuild as >>8349346
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:16 No.8350025
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    Do you recall the 100 years war? How the British fought there, the Elves fight everywhere else. March through the enemy's countryside, rely on foraging and looting for supplies, outmaneuver enemy armies, and generally just burn shit down until they are incapable of fighting anymore. Remember, elves aren't interested in material goods the same way humans are, any offensive war they fight is over slighted rights or is a preemptive attack to destroy a possible aggressor.
    Holding land, besieging actual castles, and fighting enemy armies head-on are all things that elves will refuse to do in war if they are at all able. Superior mobility, a lack of supply lines, and a large recruitable force of specialists are the strengths of an elvish army.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:19 No.8350070
    That basically makes Elves terrorists. I am entirely ok with that.
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)19:20 No.8350091
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    If one will fight Elves, and one wishes to destroy them, rather than just contain or otherwise engage in limited war... then one should strike what they love. Despoil the land. Not just burning or cutting trees, poison the rivers and aquifers, release diseased animals into the woods, especially in mating season, if you have other means of spreading corruption, use it.
    Do this in numerous places at once after playing a containment game that appears to be standardized warfare. If you know the Elves are pious, then disease some of your convict soldiers and release them into the woods, offer false cessations of hostilities, and then send plague-ridden attendants with your ambassadors.
    Also, make sure to make a big show of starting fires and cutting their precious trees so they may assume you less cunning.

    This is an abominable strategy of course, but if you wish to wipe them out utterly, you are likely an abominable individual.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:21 No.8350101
    Question: Why is elvish mobility superior? Is it because they have no supply lines or baggage train to keep up with them, or are they universally mounted or something?
    The idea of every elf in the army riding a horse, and simply dismounting to use their longbows (or maybe even not) whenever combat begins is interesting to me.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:21 No.8350110
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    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:22 No.8350127
    (Out of pictures)
    Solid strategy. No way to defend against that.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:23 No.8350153
    Foragers don't need to wait for camp followers. As far as mounted archers, I don't see Elves favouring Mongol or Samurai tactics, mostly due to the difficulties of maintaining a mount. It makes stealth harder.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:25 No.8350173
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    It appears to me that Elf offensive capability is solely limited on being able to hit and maneuver out of harm's way in time. They can only hit something and flee not conquer. But with no need to conquer their style fits them perfectly. It is interesting to note the the tactics used to defeat elves is the primary strategy of the dwarves (siege, heavy hitting decisive battles) and the tactics to defeat a dwarf army is an elf strategy (hit-and-run, skirmish warfare).
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:25 No.8350176
    >out of pictures
    Fuck that shit, get this man some elves!
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:26 No.8350190
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    So how would you elves deal with a "scorched earth" policy where the invading soldiers burn everything and sow salt in their path?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:26 No.8350191

    Doesn't that assume that elves don't have magic to acquire mounts from the forest?

    Because they probably do.
    >> ^_^ 03/01/10(Mon)19:28 No.8350226
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    What about the elves who live underground and don't care about nature?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:28 No.8350235
    Probably the same way elves deal with every problem, by acting like they are superior to everyone and hoping on human cock.

    Also for some reason I now have a extreme want to have a campaign involving Sherman.
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)19:29 No.8350243
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    Well, diseasing one's own troops tends to destroy moral. Mutiny is likely if the tactic is ever leaked. A clever commander may be able to stall it by blaming the Elves themselves for the ailments, but it won't hold long.
    As with many other vile tactics, a weakness is possible objection from a hitherto uninvolved third party. Especially if said third party has reason to believe the Elve's foe may become their foe one day.
    This requires diplomacy, which can be tricky tho.
    If you can reverse the situation, gain an ally on your enemy's flank, you may then be able to hold them in and let their toxins eat them instead. Time becomes incredibly crucial tho, as does superior intelligence on the state of neighbouring politics.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:29 No.8350250
    Drow? Hell, they're marching in our flanks. They hate the treedwellers too.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:29 No.8350257

    Then they acquire mounts from the underneath.

    However, I think you are getting at what if elves don't have tamin' magic?

    Then they act even more like Native Americans.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:30 No.8350269
    A good question, and one that kept us stumped for a while, but in the end the answer was simple: Ignore them, and go burn their homes down in turn. We live in the forest, but the forest is very large, and we move about in it often. Humans live in static locales, and scorched earth is a manpower intensive activity leaving few in place for defense. Though what is destroyed may well take centuries to heal, we cannot afford to try and stop it directly: Better to do the same to them until the cries for help outweigh the cries for blood.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:32 No.8350293

    They're also getting food, animal messengers, scouts and being unobstructed by the woods. It's a general cutting down of time spent doing all activities that makes them faster, not speed.

    My eventual strategy, in my campaign, and it also involved flooding the dwarve's underground cities and roads by finding them digging them up and channeling rivers and springs into them.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:32 No.8350308
    The Drow are not an asset. They are disorganized, prone to infighting, and ultimately will always have ulterior motives for joining you, none of which will be to your benefit. The only people who make worse allies than elves are dark elves.
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)19:33 No.8350322
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    They still are susceptible to disease and poison. I cramped and contained subterranean environs, containment becomes easier, the dense populations make disease more readily spread, and the lack of rain makes poisoning water sources more effective.
    Also, cave-ins become a new tactic for both force containment, and population destruction.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:33 No.8350331
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    Disapproving elf gaems.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:33 No.8350337
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    good man... err, elf.
    Also forgot mah pic.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:35 No.8350370
    I seem to recall the last thread like this getting really ugly, really fast. /tg/, am proud.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:35 No.8350374
    Yeah, but we use them to counter your so called "racial bonuses" like enhanced hearing. They don't work well together or with anyone else, but as a screening force they're without peer.

    Keeping them in front also helps deal with the inevitable betrayal you imply.
    >> Scrabby the Builder Scarab Mk.26614 !meTnMoaGW6 03/01/10(Mon)19:37 No.8350405
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    Sigh, this is so going to end up as another porn thread isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:37 No.8350408
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    How would you defend against an army with an armored column as vanguard?

    Because those damn gnomes really know their mechanics.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:37 No.8350412
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    Why do you crazy mammals always want to fight in wars? Why can't you just have some food and take it easy like us? Life's too short to spend it fighting.

    Or sleeping, but we've given up on trying to get you to stop wasting so much of your lives that way.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:37 No.8350414
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    This may be true, but at best they should be considered expendable mercenaries, and at worst as a liability to be sacrificed at the first opportunity.
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    Isn't every thread fappable to someone with the right fetish?
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)19:39 No.8350446
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    In all but the most limited capacity and unique setting, the Drow seem resistant to being given subservient roles in any relationship. As I recall, they use mostly slaves for the bulk of their armies, at least the front line portion. Thus, convincing them to do a task so far beneath them may be difficult to say the least.
    Outsourcing your military is often a very dangerous tactic.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:40 No.8350463
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    Earthworks and heavily forested areas are naturally not conducive to an armored column. And elves live in that sort of environment and are masters of nature magic. Besides, those gnome contraptions are little more then a gimmick.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:41 No.8350472


    The MEGAFORCE way of course!
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:41 No.8350473
    The gnomes do more harm to themselves than their enemies with their behemoths, but were such devices ever to be utilized logically, they would be unstoppable by conventional means.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:42 No.8350495
    Too true, too true. The Drow have marched too many lines of patsies into certain death to not notice that it is being done to them in turn.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:43 No.8350519
    How will you fanciful elves deal with the end of all life?

    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:44 No.8350540
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    Fascinating as hell. I would have imagined the Elves as little more than disorganized skirmishers, but I like them better now.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:45 No.8350565
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    The same way they deal with all problems: Spamming more elves.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:46 No.8350578
    We are living things. Thus, we will probably end.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:48 No.8350613
    You elves certainly have some good solid strategies for dealing with many different enemies, but have you ever had to call on allies or enlist outside aid?
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)19:49 No.8350637
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    On a lighter note, racial divisions would likely be rendered moot.
    >> Nin-Ciljiras 03/01/10(Mon)19:49 No.8350638

    I...have forgotten.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:52 No.8350687
    1940s fantasia is best fantasia.

    Because Chernabog.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)19:53 No.8350698
    Shouldn't you be blowing humans?
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:54 No.8350712
    Our numbers being what they are, of course, though rarely on the offense. Contracting mercenaries from neighboring countries can add line-fighting muscle to our otherwise hit and run defensive armies is regular practice. Dwarves are not always the best choice, as they are too different to blend well with our strategic doctrine, but humans always find a niche. Our primary issue is that we generally do not have much to offer in return, except logging rights and the promise of our own support of their causes in the future.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)19:56 No.8350752
    Lord Creed is a figure whom we respect and emulate. Outflanking, producing units from out of nowhere, and otherwise rendering an opponent's plans obsolete is the acme of tactical skill. That being said, it is still just tactics, and thus not an art we truly seek to perfect.
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)19:59 No.8350795
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    Allies you can purchase can always be purchased away. You are likely better off with allies due to commonality of foe, or commonality of cause. Protracted alliances may cause you more grief than they are worth. Especially if the grandchild of the one whom you allied with turns out to be of a dissimilar temperament, leaving you with an alliance to someone you are ill disposed towards, someone who may draw you into more conflicts.
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    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:02 No.8350832
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    There are elves, and then there are elves who are practically a force of nature bound to a living forest entity.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:04 No.8350861
    If there is anything that Elves know how to do, it is taking the long view. The matter of politics is not my focus, precisely, but in general allies are chosen because they will remain so in the forseeable future. Otherwise, mercenaries are bought with the promise of magic and the right to plunder. Because of our motives for war, we can offer atypically high proportions of loot to our hired help.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:07 No.8350905
    It may also help to know that with Elves, you will never be fighting a real army if they can help it, and if you do fight, they will ensure that the battle is incredibly lopsided. Mercenary work for elves is easymode.
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)20:13 No.8351027
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    Anyone who will kill for money will kill you for money. Just be sure to keep the mercenaries far from your own homes.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:13 No.8351037
    Do you hear the people sing?

    Singing the song of angry elves?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:16 No.8351089

    Firebird haets forests and elves.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:19 No.8351136
    It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again.
    No, seriously, we couldn't take another century under someone's bootheel. Population's too low as it is.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:21 No.8351170
    That's a given, obviously. We usually must hope that our reputation for savagely killing traitors and the fact that we never tell them where exactly they are in the impossible-to-navigate-forest works somewhat to their advantage.
    There is also the invaluable tool that is propaganda. Stories of men being hunted for years, and their bloodlines for centuries thereafter for betraying elves are as much fiction as fact, but they deter such treachery in those who hear of them.
    >> PlagueWatcher 03/01/10(Mon)20:22 No.8351189
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    Why is that?
    That your birthrate, by all reports, is very low.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:27 No.8351271
    I think it is mostly due to a degradation of family values, and a cultural obsession with freedom and wanderlust. Our people have easy access to contraceptives, and no moral punctuation against using them. Coupled with an already long gestation and raising period, and the inherent dangers of living in the Schwarzvald (dire wolverines. So yeah.) we generally do not see more than miniscule population growth yearly despite having little in the way of scarcity and strife, and even that growth is mostly because our elderly simply refuse to die.
    >> Elf !Mjk4PcAe16 03/01/10(Mon)20:28 No.8351284
    When you live as long as we do you take the prospect of children much more seriously. Also we do not to seem to be as fertile as you humans. You breed like rabbits.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:31 No.8351335
    How about government initiatives? Wanderlust may be allowed or even sponsored provided the birth of descendants has been executed.

    do mind, i know little of elven government
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:31 No.8351342
    You will note, also, that this is simultaneously the cause of the ever-increasing half-elf population outside of our borders. Human women are no harder a conquest for the males, and they tend to lack easy methods of preventing pregnancy. Coupled with the inattentiveness of our men, this leads to a high rate of bastard half-elves in human lands. This has actually been the cause of wars before, and as such we have begun to accept them into our own lands to alleviate tension with the other nations.
    Many now fear that within a few centuries' time, we will be dramatically out-bred by halfbreeds in our own lands. That is not too much of a problem, as they live a shorter time, and with a few generations of breeding with pure elves, their bloodlines can be brought more or less back into the fold. Once again, by taking the long view we strengthen ourselves numerically, and do not permanently weaken our powerbase in the process.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:32 No.8351360
    Because a government order to have children is going to go over so well.

    Any ruling body that made that decree would be deposed.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:34 No.8351395
    You have plenty of ways to deal with an invading army, but what of a single powerful individual? Do you have any recourse against, say, a mage of great power?
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:35 No.8351419
    L'etat c'est moi. Our government is impermanent and only formulated in times of crisis. Otherwise, elves are left up to individual initiative. Cadres of elders, priests and military-men often take up individual campaigns to strengthen the cause, but otherwise we are poorly organized. We are merely good at establishing organized fronts.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:36 No.8351441
    So then it would be possible to create separate groups within your culture and turn them against each other?
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    Fair point.
    Thank you, this has been most informative.
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    "Scorched earth" campaigns only truly work on enemies who require centralized transportation and supply--and they work best on the defense, not offense. Trying to root out a decentralized enemy capable of widespread foraging and concealment requires a prohibitive amount of manpower, widely dispersed. You would be spending all your army's money on salt alone.

    Similarly, your army is now destroying its own forage as it advances, and your dispersed burning parties are extremely vulnerable to ambush by mobile raiding parties.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:40 No.8351536
    Hypothetically, but it might take centuries. And more importantly, it would involve organizing said groups, when the elvish people are inherently fractal and uncontrollable until times of conflict. Such things have happened before, but most often it is resolved by a gathering of tribes. Inter-tribal strife does count as a crisis to be addressed as a united front. Usually, the issue is resolved without bloodshed or through duels of leadership.

    We lack the ambition and the cutthroat idealism that humans use to motivate themselves, and while that might make us slow to act, it also makes us hard to manipulate.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:41 No.8351565
    Would it be right to say that you are conscious True Anarchists? The open individualism except for survival is a wondrous concept
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    I happen to be very good at... organization.
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:49 No.8351740
    I will not lie and pretend that it is an ideal system. It works for us because we live in what amounts to post-scarcity. Or rather, pre-scarcity. More or less, though, yes. We are anarchistic, but not stupid. We ally when it is necessary, and help each other whenever we can, as much out of tradition and religious bent out of enlightened self interest.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)20:49 No.8351744
    Do you guys ever get, I dunno, for lack of a better wore, bored? I mean you live for centuries...
    >> Elf 03/01/10(Mon)20:54 No.8351832
    Oh my, yes. But unlike some Cultures, we do not see it as our moral imperative to go out and nose about in other peoples' business. We assuage our boredom through the fine arts, travel and exploration, but... Most importantly, repetition. Humans, with their limited lifespans, desire new things. They want to go out and do what has not been done, to squeeze as much life into their years as they can.
    An elf has no such imperative. Though in our youths we travel and explore, there are many older elves amongst us who awaken at the same stroke of the hour every morning, consume the same meal, work the same craft, bed the same husband, and sleep the same waking sleep every day for millennia. There is comfort and meaning in repetition. For all of our wanderlust and adventuresome spirit, the older we get, the more apparent it is that life is best when kept simple and similar.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)21:02 No.8352012
    Is this all from an actual setting or something? I saw some namedrops up there, and these are the least faggy elves I've ever read.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)21:04 No.8352065

    It's an attempt to unfag DnD elves I believe.
    >> Elf Writer Guy 03/01/10(Mon)21:06 No.8352109
    Hello, I'm not an elf, but I play one on /tg/...
    Sorry, just dicking around. I write campaign settings for my FLGS's sponsored group, and I'm trying to take the generic fantasy races, and make them both interesting and epitomizing of the genre, whilst being internally consistent. This thread has served well for me to explain both to others, and thus to myself by reflection how Elvish society ought to work.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)21:08 No.8352155
    Did a pretty good job. It's very recognizably elfs, but more believable.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)21:13 No.8352257
    That's cool. Did you do dwarfs?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)21:13 No.8352269
    >unfagged elves
    >> Elf Writer Guy 03/01/10(Mon)21:14 No.8352294
    Yes, but I'm not really finished with them yet. Someday I'll explain my take on dwarves in greater depth on /tg/. That day is not today.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)21:21 No.8352416
    /tg/-Tactical Geniuses
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)22:59 No.8354268
    wow, I'm really surprised this didn't devolve into porn.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)23:05 No.8354370
    I actually had a fantasy game that was a cross of 3.5 and WHFB, it was great.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)23:20 No.8354654
    I like this view of elven society.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/10(Mon)23:54 No.8355238
    I... Am insulted by how civil this thread is.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:01 No.8355338
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:32 No.8355880
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:33 No.8355894
    Why? Thread sux.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:33 No.8355897
    Do it if you want it archived.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:34 No.8355915
    The side analysis of elf tactics was pretty good.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:35 No.8355939
    Same shit we've all seen everywhere and could figure out ourselves. Thumbs down.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:36 No.8355970
    What . . . the fuck? How did an elf thread manage to NOT get turned into a porn dump?
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)00:38 No.8355998
    This is more the accomplishment. I'm slightly proud of /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)01:50 No.8357194
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    Once the gloves come off I'd imagine the Elves would become pretty damn effective guerrilla fighters.

    No forest is safe... If they aren't fucking up your military patrols they'll be killing important civilian leaders or sabotaging your industry.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)02:35 No.8357808
    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)02:55 No.8358015
    This thread was a good read. My thanks, elves.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:00 No.8358070
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    Oh elves won't only mess up your shit if you come into a forest...the urban jungle is just as much of a playground if they want it to be.

    God help us all if we do manage to destroy all nature and they are forced to meet us in our own terrain.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:03 No.8358096
    Suddenly, several hundred people drop torches around the periphery of the forest. No more forest.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:03 No.8358109
    Fucking Shalelu? Did we just get schooled on elementary strategy by a multiclass fighter-ranger?
    God fucking dammit!
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:06 No.8358136
    Yes, because destroying a forest-dwelling enemy is as easy as lighting the forest on fire. Someone tell the Romans, I'm sure they'll be overjoyed to hear that the Tuetonburg issue has been resolved.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:07 No.8358144
    Not to mention, the elves are probably pretty good at not being simply burned out of their forest.
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    Thus spoke someone who did not read the thread.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:09 No.8358165
    Tell me, have you heard of the "Quench" spell?
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:11 No.8358189
    I'm not going to lie, it had occurred to me that the Bromans could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by just lighting Germany on fire. Why didn't they?
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:12 No.8358201
    The desire to not only kill their enemies, but gain something for their trouble, comes to mind. It's very hard to live on properly burned land.
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    Force all the bears and wolves and other monsters out of the forests.

    And into local villages.

    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:15 No.8358242
    Thus spoke someone who has not read ancient history.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:18 No.8358265
    Had you read the thread, you would see that this prospect had already been amply addressed, and dismissed.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:22 No.8358310
    The only thing ever really stopping elves is the low birth rate and long period till maturity is reached.

    If humans couldn't just throw waves of fodder at them there would be nothing stopping the elves...well that and the fact elves tend to be at war with everyone who isn't a forest creature.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:24 No.8358336
    Actually, they addressed this too in the thread, and it was in fact one of their major stumbling points.

    Hence why half-elves are so prominent.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:24 No.8358339
    >shock infantry
    >no results
    >read thread again to be sure
    I did all I need to.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:30 No.8358415
    That has nothing to do with forest fires.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:33 No.8358457
    I thought it was a very well thought out spiel. There are definite and acknowledged holes in how the elves fight, and they patch them up as best they can. Fire seems like the obvious answer, but something in me just can't believe that it's that easy. Shame the original guy's gone.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:44 No.8358562
    If we accept that Elves possess magical ability, then it's entirely reasonable to assume that they'd be aware of this threat and plan accordingly.
    Fire patrols (mounts or friendly/trained creatures with the ability to fly, most likely), fast response teams with a fuckton of scrolls with douse or whatever.

    Hell, a similar setup except with firebreaks and wells/reservoirs would be possible even without magic. Also, if we're dealing with truly powerful mages, surely an epic spellcaster could just research a spell to fireproof the trees and leaf-litter over vast swathes of forest.
    I know the "hurr durr elfs are teh gay" mentality is rife in /tg/, but it's pretty standard to assume that a long lived race of intelligent forest dwellers *might* have considered some of the disadvantages of their chosen dwelling.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)03:49 No.8358612
    That's a good point. Personally, I always kind of liked elves, but only tangentially. This thread kind of brought them to life for me. We don't get a look at it from where they're sitting often.
    I'll loan you some expertise from a good ol' boy in fire-country: Forests don't like burning. Trees have very specific torching points, and the grass and brush in the forests almost never burns at that heat unless it's been an unusually dry fall. Simple evolution, really, the burning point is almost always juuuust enough above that of the rubbish on the ground that the whole forest doesn't go up in smoke. That's why California got fucked last year, what was it, Santa Cruz lost over 9000 acres? No bleeding rain, and redwoods are crazy-reliant on moisture not to turn into giant fibrous tinderboxes.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:05 No.8358729
    >Forests don't like burning
    Heh, I live in Australia and the bush here *loves* a good blaze, so I guess it depends on the kind of forest they're in too. You could probably burn an Aussie elve's bush home but... fuck man, I don't even want to think about what Australian elves would be like to piss off.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:08 No.8358748
    Australian Elves?

    Think Aborigines, mate.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:10 No.8358771
    Ah, then the correct military strategy would be to supply them with alcohol.
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    Glorious downunderdark.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:13 No.8358791

    Australians are Wood Elves.

    They live in a strange environment and like to play tricks on foreigners.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:15 No.8358806
    a lot of brush is designed to burn.

    Chamise is a plant that is coated in an oily film that is highly flammible. When it ignites, it burns away all nearby vegetation, while its seeds survive the fire.

    The seeds then grow easily without competition.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:22 No.8358857
    And cigarettes. And leave shit out for them to nick, while waiting for them to come up a beg you for shit...

    Ah crap, abbos are fuckin' Kender.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)04:25 No.8358886
    Elves would be as prepared for forest fires as Dwarves would be for cave ins (fucktonnes of support struts, reinforcing and awesome Dwarven engineering).

    That said, the rigours of either lifestyles could actually be a good explanation for the way Elves and Dwarves, despite their longevity, both individual and national, seem to make little progress culturally and technologically beyond a point.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)08:18 No.8360545
    >> Anonymous 03/02/10(Tue)09:30 No.8360928
    Anyone who has played in the Birthright campaign setting should already be quite familiar with these elf tactics.
    Also Elf Light Cavalry/Horse Archers

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