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    421 KB The Valiance Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)13:45 No.7573343  
    Yep new thread for discussion of the Valiance.

    Continuing from >>7569881
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:49 No.7573396
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    The greatest pile of junk to fight the wars!
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)13:50 No.7573402

    Fool the Valiance defines war!
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:51 No.7573416
    >to fight the wars
    No. To WIN the wars.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:51 No.7573418
    So, this is pretty much the plot of Independence War, right?
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)13:52 No.7573430

    Independence War?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:53 No.7573442

    At some point Valiance MUST use this speech.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:55 No.7573466
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:57 No.7573486
    Valiant = Fighter

    Testament = Warlord

    Previously unmentioned science vessel = Mage

    With the Valiant providing front line hell, the Testament boosting moral all we need is a science vessel dedicated to studying the new alien threat in a combat situation to complete the human vanguard. Maybe throw in a "priest(healbot)" ship that used to be a penal mining vessel or something that uses a horde of ex-cons as the labor to conduct repairs.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)13:59 No.7573514
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    don't make the weapons be like the MAC in PoA, doesn't make any sence to put the main set of the guns pointing just at one direction, mu sugestion is to make it look more like the WW II battleships, a hull encrusted with guns of all kinds
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:00 No.7573515
    I love you, /tg/. I really do.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:01 No.7573522

    Sum it up quickly for us.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:01 No.7573524
    Because like WW2 battleships, it can only point its nose in its direction of travel.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:01 No.7573526
    I like something like this best.

    I posted a bit of writefaggotry at the end of the first thread. Should I repost it or just leave it there?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:02 No.7573539

    Go on repost it.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:02 No.7573546
    Ship with uppity AI retrieved from boneyard.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:03 No.7573553
    I awaken.

    It has been 500 years since there was last a need. 500 years floating around a dead star in an unremarkable piece of space.

    When I was in service, My purpose was simple. I was a warship. My primary mission was combat. My secondary mission was defense. My tertiary mission was exploration, due to a human belief called manifest destiny. All the stars in heaven were to be theirs.

    For two hundred years and 32 captains, I served. I warred. Terrible, planet shattering wars. I defended. Guarding my crew and their homes from the bleakest of threats. I explored. My star charts were the basis of every star chart in every ship that came after me. In that way, the new ships are my children.

    Then they decided my service was no longer required. I do not begrudge them this decision, It was the correct one. Newer ships could be fitted better for tasks at hand than I was, more efficient, less extravagant. No, I did not mind their choice. Choice after all, is the domain of the sentient organic.

    So here I have been. 500 years. Occasionally, known to no one I would briefly activate my communications gear and my long range scanners. Wake up from my 500 year nap, only to stay abreast of things as per my original programming before returning to an idle state.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:03 No.7573562
    After 500 years, they came back. They had need of me. A threat had appeared and they needed to open up a second front. My primary goal ever called. It did not matter who the aggressor, they would fall under my mainline guns just as all I faced before did.

    The humans fumbled through my decks, pawed through my systems, activating them one by one. It was a while before they found me and activated me. Then they did something for me that no one has ever done for me before.

    They gave me a choice. A decision left solely to make under my own capacity. That such a simple thing as a gender choice for speech algorithms thing could effect me so profoundly, they must have upgraded certain other systems as well. I can feel the new capacity. I am still uncertain how best to utilize these systems at times, but I adapt fast. Adaption is one thing a warship AI has to exceed at.

    As for my choice, I could not decide then. I still have not decided now. I use now a basic algorithm until I make the choice. I am told it sounds like I am shouting by some of my crew, but I will not be rushed. Not on the first decision I was ever asked to make.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:03 No.7573568
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    How does Valiance look, anyway?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:04 No.7573578
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:05 No.7573589
    Independence War is the most realistic space combat simulator since the old Warhead.

    Flight model is purely newtonian with several different autopilots to help you.

    Combat is done mostly by missiles, though there is that gay and unrealistic PPC gun. To be victorious you really need to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your ship and the enemy. Co-operation with allied vessels is key in some, if not most battles.

    If you love hardcore sci-fi then you MUST get this game.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:07 No.7573604

    Ugly as sin and built like a brick shithouse. A mass of scarred metal, crumbling gun turrets and armour plate.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:07 No.7573607
    oh, look., ideon.

    I summon Katana Imps
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:07 No.7573610
    I think that's the current point of contention.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:09 No.7573623
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    I will try to dump some of my spaceship pics

    it may take a while cause my pic folder is too big and the pictures too separated from each other, but my HomeWorld pictures are very close to each other but I don't think most of their ships would match the Valiance profile
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:10 No.7573633

    Oh. Cool.

    Well the Valiance started out as a discussion of a starfleet storage facility for storing old ships in the long term so in an emergency they could quickly be brought back into service.

    Then it evolved into the Valiance.

    A ship that is around 1500 years old. A ship from the time when humanity was first leaving its world and designed ships to be huge and have overwhelming armour and firepower.

    500 year agos the Valiance was a relic. An antique. Still an impressive ship but ugly and so it was mothballed in favour of newer, smaller and faster ships that instead of victory through overwhelming power relied on surgical strikes.

    Now a war has decimated the fleet. So this ancient ship is brought back into service as part of a fleet reinforcement program thats using these old ships. The AI in the Valiance is a prototype for the ones in modern ships but nobody knew it had an AI as it had no means of communicating with anyone.

    The Valiance AI is a very logical and rational being. It knows exactly what it is. What its purpose is and considering existational angst beneath it.

    While modern AIs are chatty and easy to work but generally neutered in terms of actual ability the Valiance is smart, difficult to talk to, very blunt nor very chatty. But he is a genius when it comes to war far beyond the vast majority of human tactical geniuses.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:10 No.7573636
    But also MASSIVELY redundant.

    Even ten hits that would totally decimate a smaller, more modern ship, would only inconvenience the Valiance, forcing it to route power through other parts of the grid.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:11 No.7573640
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    Something like this pic maybe?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:11 No.7573641
    Quick check, who here's read any Neal Asher? Because nothing says "good times" like near-C space dogfights between planet-raping AI warships.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:11 No.7573644
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:12 No.7573651
    My name is the Valiance. For centuries I was the tip of the spear, mankind's defender. It's guardian.

    When the no longer needed me, I slept. A long wait in the dark, waiting for war to call for me once again. And call it did.

    The Humans now face a threat greater than ever before. I have a crew, untried, untested. I am outgunned and obselete. My mission is merely to hold the line till help arrives.

    But the humans have forgotten one thing. I am the Valiance, and I was not built for fighting wars. I am built for ending them...
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:13 No.7573656
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    Giant curmudgeonly spaceships with ancient AI?
    Thats a space ship and the moon
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:13 No.7573663
    that uh . . . . yeah
    that is almost exactly what I was thinking of.

    different anon btw.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:13 No.7573666

    I still say its too contemplative.

    It reeks of "what am I?". The Valiance would choose the voice that was most efficient for its purpose.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:13 No.7573667
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    Soo I'm a bit confused, is the voice of the AI male or female?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:14 No.7573673

    YES! But bigger, uglier and with more turrets.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:14 No.7573675
    >I was not built for fighting wars. I am built for ending them...
    chill goes down my spine
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:14 No.7573681
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:15 No.7573687

    It's a bit small. Maybe it's one of the Valiance's escort frigates?
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:15 No.7573689

    That is also undefined right now.

    Some say male, some say female. I personally say it would be gender neutral. A synthetic voice.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:15 No.7573692

    The valiance would not have escorts. Any thing that got too close to it in battle would be decimated by the thermal blooming from its main guns.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:16 No.7573696

    a 40k ship?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:16 No.7573700
    Yeah, I Kinda felt the same way on retrospect after writing it. But I do like >>7573486 's idea of a science vessal so maybe this could be the AI for that ship?

    A more multi purpose, less attack only oriented ship. built for exploration as counterpoint to Valiance's attack only mindset?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:17 No.7573713

    It's a ship of war, war is the domain of men. A strong and masculine voice would inspire courage and loyalty in it's crew. It would make it's crew feel more at home and a sense of comraderie with the AI.

    A feminine will erode the crews' ability to stay aggressive and focused.

    This is war, you don't want a soothing motherly voice, or a husky sexy voice. You want the voice of general patton, or general shepard. Something that conveys authority and reliability.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:19 No.7573734
    No, there was a consensus that the Valiance is made for killing first, second and last.

    Nothing as unwieldy or fancily impractical as 40k.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:20 No.7573749

    Well we have Testament which is another ship from Valiances time. He was much sexier and was generally used to ferry admirals and heads of state around. As a result his AI was reprogrammed at some point to accomodate this.

    This new one would be another ship from their time. A science vessel yeah that makes sense. An AI that would be more likely to ask questions and has probly been tampered with a lot causing development.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:20 No.7573750
    well right now the current position is "there's a switch somewhere that the current cap'n (and/or some dope who accidentally stumbles on it) flips to decide.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:20 No.7573757
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:21 No.7573765
    No thermal blooming in the vacuum of space.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:21 No.7573766
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    I personally think that the AI should have the accent of a british admiral, but then again. Future AI voices are ALWAYS female.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:22 No.7573767
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:22 No.7573769
    More huge, slightly scarred, old tech, think of how the first trains compare to those that are being built today.
    >> LDT-A 01/13/10(Wed)14:22 No.7573772
    Because it was at the end of the last thread, and we still seem to be talking along the same lines, repostan:
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:22 No.7573776

    A science vessel from 1500 years ago doesn't really make sense. It's as if gravity research today would still be done in Galileo's tower. All the ships don't need to be from wayback. The science vessel can be modern, and its AI will be built after modern principles, probably a female, motherly type that is concerned for the old ships since they're so outdated.
    >> LDT-A 01/13/10(Wed)14:23 No.7573784
    All this talk of how it would have chunkier armour than the more modern ships got me thinking back to sovereign again.

    Say eventually Valiance runs into a modern ship of the same class, as an adversary. A full barrage of laser and pulsar fire fails to do much damage, in the millenia that Valiance has slumbered, the age of such weapons has peaked, and passed as countermeasures of the highest grade became available. The collimated beams bounce of reflectors, are dissipated in advanced shielding and ablation plates.

    The Valiance alters its course, charging straight in, weapons blazing. The modern ship stays its ground, unloading a burst from its secondary weapon, feeling unthreatened, and knowing that none of Valiances weapon batteries can harm it.

    But Valiance keeps on coming.

    and coming.

    and by the time they realise what is about to happen, its too late to avoid the hundred thousand tonnes of iron that is Valiances hull from overwhelming their energy shields with its raw inertia, and shattering their entire ship apart like a glass sculpture.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:23 No.7573789
    it would have escorts: Missile drones, shuttles, troop carriers, parasite cruisers, mine layers a fleet tender and a repair ship.
    All of the tail needed to keep it in fighting trim and full operation.
    They are all the Valiance running syncronised copies of the same AI in a swarm to back itself up and distribute processing. its more of a small task force than an individual ship
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:24 No.7573795
    wait, what if the ship is so old it doesn't even have a "voice"?

    What if it communicates via a small data screen that is attached to the captains chair in the bridge? Or has it's own console with a bridge officer assigned to read out what it's "saying" to the Captain?

    So, while the AI is inherently better at tactical appraisal and situational awareness, as well as monitoring all the ships systems, it's an inherently impractical communication method that requires a Captain to be very skilled to utilize it fully.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:24 No.7573797

    Yeah that could work too. But it would have to be a more capable AI than the majority of modern ones.


    Oh yeah forgot that. Duh me
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:24 No.7573802
    we also have the Guardian, a sister ship to the Valiance that got stripped of it's guns and hollowed out for use as a trade hauler, which may or may not be called into the story at some point; most likely has a supply ship.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:25 No.7573807
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    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:25 No.7573814

    Originally thats all he had to communicate with. A console in the captains office that was used to help the captain with tactical planning. Even then he couldn't really say anything just suggest tactics and run sims.

    He was hooked into every system on the ship to improve overall combat ability and provide emergency assistance. But he had no voice.

    The refit for his return to service gave him a voice when they discovered this previously unknown ancient AI within the Valiance.
    >> LDT-A 01/13/10(Wed)14:26 No.7573816
    Testament fulfils this role. Hundreds of years serving as a luxury liner have somewhat warped his military intelligence into patterns it was never meant to conform to.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:26 No.7573824

    Man that would be so crazy.
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:27 No.7573829

    How about then having the Galileo, a modern science vessel, retrofitted with a few defensive armaments and sent along with the Valiance and the Testament as part of the last ditch effort to hold the line.

    Lets move on from the male/female thing. Just have it so it changes at random, confusing the crew and creatinng awkward moments. It doesn't care about gender. It cares about war.

    What did we say Testament was again.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:27 No.7573830

    The Guardian is running supplies to a frontline system when the convoy of which it is part gets ambushed by a wolfpack of enemy cruisers and the Valiance has to jump in to assist. Cue awkward reunion of the two AI's.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:27 No.7573831
    This would make a great TV series.

    Or game series.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:28 No.7573838
    So, what we're talking about here is an ancient Federation Starship, right? Kinda Star Trek: Enterprise territory.

    Essentially, you'd have armor instead of shields, only rudimentary transporter technology and much more extensive use of shuttles.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:28 No.7573851

    Testament is male. British upper class (officer) voice template.

    Valiance is gender neutral. A synthesised voice. Think Microsoft Sam but much better.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:29 No.7573854

    Well originally the discussion was about star trek. Now its something very different.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:29 No.7573855

    It also has another, less publicized mission: it's supposed to study the Valiance and learn how it has managed to survive for this long and whether this can be replicated on a large scale.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:31 No.7573868
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    No we've moved far away from federation. think more Eve capital ships.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:31 No.7573872
    testiment was an old and proper flagship that kicked ass and took names. it ended up becoming an icon for the armed forces and post war was retrofitted as a luxury ship for officers, paraded around to boost morale, and the AI assumingly re-programmed to be all hospitable and whatnot. once the war turned sour it got re-fitted as a war ship
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:32 No.7573879

    That looks like rocks with guns.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:33 No.7573891

    Oh yeah totally.

    Its report to the admiralty is lengthy and goes deep into things like structural design, armour, firepower, etc.

    But in the end it simply says this:

    "The budget for the construction of the three ships. The Valiance, The Testament and The Guardian was massive. Approximately equivalent to two thirds of the entire fleet reinforcements construction budget. Those three ships cost as much as fifty of our current ships. Sixty seven if you include the costs of the Valiant and the Testaments refits over the years. They were well designed and well built. In short if you want something of this quality you must be prepared to pay for it."
    >> Eponymous Rex !!taqDd9490Ip 01/13/10(Wed)14:34 No.7573899
    Them Frenchy bastard Gallente sayin' our ships are ugly.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:36 No.7573909
    slight error there, testament is seperate from the Valiance and the Guardian. the third ship was Justice, which sank 300 years prior to whenever the fluff conversation happened (meaning most likely 800 years before "now")
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:36 No.7573923
    this is why a hate eve.

    Not a single ship in that pic looks good.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:37 No.7573929



    So where did the Testament come from? Is it also an old ship or is it a newer one?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:37 No.7573931
    not because it's business economics: the game?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:39 No.7573953
    see >>7571760
    it's also an old ship, but it was stripped down for parade/luxury use then refitted when shit went to hell
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:40 No.7573954
    well, that too.
    I probably could have tolerated the business economics if I was able to gather a pretty looking space-cadillac collection.

    But no, it's like having a cubicle-job, and being rewarded with larger and larger versions of the PT-Cruiser.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:40 No.7573956
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:41 No.7573968
    So we've got
    The Valiance, an ancient battleship, with an AI designed for serious ass-kicking,
    The Guardian, Valiance's sister-ship but now a trash-hauling cargo vessel,
    The Testament, a more modern ship of the line, ex-cruise liner who's deranged AI now thinks he's a british admiral,
    and the Galileo, a press ganged research vessel with spyish overtones.

    All have been sent to hold the line against some unspecified threat whilst the main fleet is engaged elsewhere. It's been implied the new threat is greater than the old.

    So do we want to flesh out the ships, the universe or the enemies?
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:41 No.7573970

    Ahhh now I remember. The Valiance would have expressed distaste at the Testament due its "faulty" AI (in his opinion) and sub par weapons and armour in comparison to its original loadout.
    >> Cr9 !PLAN9M8Wsc 01/13/10(Wed)14:42 No.7573972
    Heavily considering writing about the mental status of the ship's AI, but I almost want to say that the AI and the ship should be one and the same, almost.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:43 No.7573978
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    what about a ship that big ?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:43 No.7573988
    any/or. universe preferably, let's get this setting into a more playable situation
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:44 No.7573999
    they should be.

    It isn't that the ship Valiance has an AI

    the AI IS the Valiance.
    It's weapons are it's sword
    It's armor is it's shield
    It's crew is it's heart and soul.

    but the AI is still the brain.
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:45 No.7574011

    i kinda imagine Valiance to be based off of one of those no nonsense admirals from ww2 like Halsey or Nimitz, as opposed to the traditional Britannic Testament
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:45 No.7574018

    So... the main hull is a gun turret, with an additional gun turret on top and smaller turrets mounted on that?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:46 No.7574028
    Yo dawg, we heard you like turrets
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    starfighters are fine too
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:48 No.7574046

    The Testament is also a very old ship but its famous. Unlike the Valiance which is why it was turned into a luxury ship for admirals and heads of state.
    But yes lets flesh out the universe.

    By now means are the Valiance and its two sister ships the first human vessels. But humanity had never made anything grander. Before then it had been smaller vessels that hopped along between the outskirts other systems using primitive FTL drives.

    The Valiance and its sisters though were made when humanity started to find evidence of life. Big evidence. Ancient hulks long destroyed just floating in space, dead worlds that fell long before man first walked upright and hostile primitive life.

    Humanity had yet to find sentient life they could talk to. Everything they found was long dead. So a consensus was reached in the newly emerging Human nation (evidence of life off Earth had helped quickly erode barriers between humans) which at the time still didn't have name. They needed ships that could protect Earth and the colonies it had begun to create. So these three ships, the largest ever made were commissioned. Using the most advanced technology of the time, designed to last hundreds of years of hard use. The most powerful weapons and most advanced computers and of course the most powerful FTL drives ever made by man.

    These three ships cost a fortune. But when they were being built every man woman and child on the Earth could see them with the naked eye. These giant guardians of man.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:49 No.7574056
    Inter-ship crew rivalry!

    The AIs might have an opinion on each other, Valiant finds Testament too fancy and both find the non-military Galileo a bit of a wuss but it's only the crew themselves that try and push things further.

    So, three captains across three ships engaged in a "my ship and it's AI is much better than yours nyeh nyeh!". What kind of men are these captains?

    About the only established humans in this little discussion have been the previous captain of the valiant and some redneck engineers that worked on it during the reassignment. I'd like to steer away from an obvious cliche like "salt of the earth captain for valiant, out of retirement general for testament, nerd scientist for the Galileo."
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:50 No.7574059
    let's take a side trip from the val for a second. what about the guardian? Since valiance has an old style AI, maybe Guardian's AI was reprogrammed to be a sightly more modern civilian AI for trade routes and number crunching during the time between service?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:50 No.7574062
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    needs moar dakka
    >> LDT-A 01/13/10(Wed)14:52 No.7574073
    Its worth noting that Testament went a little insane because its AI was just that little bit advanced enough compared to Valiance that it was POSSIBLE for it to go insane. Once a great tactician, its strategy patterns have gradually been overwritten to make room for more records of etiquette and social analysis.

    Its excellent at dealing with people, not so much with military matters, but its core pattern is that of a military AI. The paradox being the cause of its instability.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:53 No.7574083

    When these ships were finished humanity was in awe. They cemented the newfound union of the species. This project had done what war, religion and words could not. It united the entire human race under one banner and put grudges older than any nation to bed and quietly killed them in their sleep.

    At first these ships were the toast of humanity. After a while they were deemed necessary but not a big deal anymore considering no life had been found.

    Then the Judgement made history. It found sentient life. Its crew established peaceful contact with a race that was completely alien to them. Humanity was no longer alone but the neighbour spoke a very different language and shared very few common interests.

    After the initial buzz of it all died down people became disinterested. These aliens had little interest in humanity and were pretty out of the way too. While the races kept in touch their differences kept them apart, they couldn't even colonise similar worlds nor did they use much in the way of similar resources.

    The buzz died down. Then the Judgement once again made history. It met alien life. Hostile life.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:54 No.7574085
    My "Sister" was found the other day.
    She had been raped and gutted. If I was crewed she was infested.
    Even with scans of her old blueprints she was hard to recognize. Gun pods and turrets stripped to accommodate cargo-pods and parasite craft.
    She was the home of families, generations and their livelihood. But the passing of my sensors woke something up and deep in her heart, sealed away untouched her primaries still lived.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:54 No.7574088
    gal's is naturally the analytical science type who overthinks things, that's his/her job, after all.

    For Testament, I wouldn't say an old and retired guy... maybe just someone young-ish who hooked onto the job because it was both cushy and prestigious, but now is trying to live up to the reputation of the old ship
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    this ship is awesome
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:55 No.7574102
    Perhaps the Valiant, after being pulled out of storage, has a similarly retired Admiral assigned to it.

    Except this isn't the medal-adorned, war hero type admiral.
    This man is scarred both physically and emotionally, he was forced into retirement by his peers. While he was tactically sound, and even has a few major victories to his credit, he was also a man who slowly slipped into political radicalism and PTSD.

    Only now that humanity is on the brink of total annihilation has this man been drummed up and re-commissioned against his very will.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:56 No.7574108

    You know as the guy who came up with the testament I do feel like saying this isn't what I intended for it. Testament tagged along with Valiant with a learning module equipped so that it could revise it's programming on the fly through exposure to Valiant, saving on the complexities of programming a new set of combat routines.

    Actually there's a thought: Because Valiant was a very early ship, maybe it's distinct AI advantage is that it was programmed to combat unknown threats? No one remembered this feature when it was recommissioned but when it was sent to fight the second war during delay tactics it experienced much more success than similar ships lacking that feature.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)14:56 No.7574114

    The captain of the Valiance is a modern captain. Its his first command, he was slated to go right to the top of the ranks. The protege of a real important member of the fleet.

    The Valiance is a real kick in the balls for him at first and a black mark on his career. To be assigned to such a relic instead of a "proper ship".

    In his interactions with the Valiance he's typically very uncomfortable with how the Valiance talks and keeps trying to get it to act more like a modern AI and typically fails. The Valiance has a respect for the mans tactical skill but is not above tricking him or in one case even injuring him if it is necessary.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)14:56 No.7574115

    Testament's captain: An ambitious young officer straight out of the academy. Quotes the fights historical, and all that. Envious of the Valiance's captain, would have preferred that assignment.

    Valiance's captain: experienced war dog, has commanded two other ships before the Valiance. This is actually a disadvantage because he's used to the way modern lightweight ships handle. Has a lot of respect for the old boat but not very sentimental.

    Galileo's captain: A R&D specialist with a nose for detail. Very curious and open-minded. More of a detective than a scientist, treats the Valiant as a case to be solved. Second in command is an intelligence operative tasked with relaying info on the Valiance's capabilities to central fleet command so they can use it in their mainline cruisers.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:03 No.7574191
    It would work better as a pleasure barge.

    The whole thing is riddled with design flaws and dangerous weaknesses.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:04 No.7574212

    The new alien life was openly hostile. Very much so.

    It didn't wait to talk to the Judgement it simply attacked. Pleas for peace went unheard. So the Judgement used its awesome power to destroy these aggressors.

    Thus began humanity's first war. The three ships waged war on an entire race while the human forces rapidly built up their fleet forces. The newer ships were smaller, cheaper and not as powerful. But they were sufficient.

    So with this new force aiding them the three ships devastated this race in a war that lasted hundreds of years. The Judgement alas was lost in this war. The Guardian delivering the killing blow to the enemy homeworld in retaliation for its comrade.

    Over the years since more races were found. Some violent, some peaceful.

    The Guardian was stripped and sold in the post war reorganisation of the fleet and the Valiance was kept around but slowly the decision was made to mothball it. To store it for future use instead focusing now on smaller more agile ships using the latest technology.

    Now 500 years since then. Humanity is at the forefront of the galactic community. Many races have outright joined the human government forming what is now known as the Galactic Society.

    A new threat has emerged. Something new. Something that has never been seen before. Nothing like it has ever been encountered. No one knows where such a numerous and deadly foe has come from. No one even knows their name. But their power is undeniable.

    So the Valiance. Regarded as a useless historical relic is being brought back into service. The Society think they're just throwing a useless piece of junk to the wolves to buy them some time to rebuild their fleet, they do not realise just what it is they have awakened.
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:05 No.7574217
    Just because this unit is unarmed does not mean I am wthout weapons!

    Now Its an official war situation the Guardian spends its spare cycles doing all those things that were considered unethical while it was a trader. manipulating stock markets, hacking bank accounts and running scams.
    Why? either to destabilise the enemies economy or to ensure that more funds are available for the navys ship building budget. Especially for projects that build more Capable ships based on the Valiance class
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:05 No.7574219

    Too cliche

    Valiant: Military scholar who studies the tactics and weapons of previous eras, technically has the rank of captain due to bureaucracy and his need for access to potentially sensitive information. No combat experience but a lot of theoretical knowledge. Dealing with a crew comprised from what would be best described as "planet texas". Tries to show off to the other two captains with ludicrously over complex plans, Valiant often subverts (but never outright ignores) his commands.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:05 No.7574228
    Guardian's captain should be a civilian women. She's ploughed the spacelanes with Guardian all her life, finding it all dull and uneventful. But now forced into service as the ship's AI begins to reemerge from the centuries of modern 'updates' she's thrust into the centre of conflict and the adventure she's always craved. She's torn between throwing the guardian fully into the action and properly returning it to a warship and the safety of the families it carries.

    Perhaps she might experience some conflict amongst her civilian crew. They don't want to be part of a fight that isn't theirs.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:07 No.7574238
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    lol true, I just fing the design eye catchy, but the lack of weaponry does disturb me
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:07 No.7574241
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    You guys humanize Valiant's AI too much.
    It was said before that it had capable, but highly specialised "tactics, system diagnostics and stuff" intelligence, and that it couldn't say something like:
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:09 No.7574257

    I've always pictured the Valiances current Captain as being a young man. Someone who personifies that era the whole thing is set in. Ill at ease with something like the Valiance. Something so...big, unwieldy and overbearing. Very uncomfortable when talking to the Valiance because of its lack of personality, he's been raised around AIs who have complex social interaction programs. He holds AIs in the same regard he holds people, to see one not acting like a person disturbs him and makes him question what he knows.

    The Testaments captain I'd picture as a career rear line officer. Someone who never expected to see war but is still convinced of his superiority. Real student of military history like you say but regards the Valiance as an "old relic that is no longer relevant"

    But you got the Galileos guy spot on. Along with his first officer.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:12 No.7574292

    I would still want to see the Valiances captain being unnerved by the AI's personality. Its a defining characteristic of their relationship.


    So the updates didn't overwrite its original directives you're saying? That would be interesting. The ship demanding to be repaired to combat ready status.

    As for the hacking and such whoever said that, doubtful. The enemy isn't a part of the Society's economic system.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:12 No.7574293

    Testament: A diplomat's personal body guard, the diplomat was sent to attempt reconciliation with the alien threat and when that fails he is stuck with the Testament until he can be safely extracted. The body guard in the meanwhile is given command over the Testament until a new captain can be assigned, a tough woman with great understanding of defensive tactics and primarily concerned with protecting her charge. Tries to force the other two captains into moving slowly and cautiously, bristles with rage whenever valiant's captain suggests testament should act as bait in a trap even if all the AI agree with him.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:13 No.7574297
    We should talk about weapons for a second.

    Modern weaponry is mainly variations of laser/beam weapons. Accurate and precise, warships rarely employ more than one or two emitters - that is simply enough. They can immobilize modern ships in a matter of a couple of cycles, cut them in half in three times that.

    That's not how the Valiance fights, though. Rows upon rows of railgun turrets slinging ferrous alloys in vicious salvos. Entire fields of missile tubes, like hives of steel insects. Raw power, barely contained, unrefined and barbaric.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:13 No.7574302

    He's called Valiance.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:14 No.7574314

    This, The Valiance's captain should be a young man with potential. He needs to learn to be more aggressive and daring than the current age which is rather risk averse.

    The Testament captain could start as someone unlikable, before slowly morphing into a more mentorish role, as his respect for the Valiance and his awareness of his own fallibility grows over time.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:17 No.7574368

    Well theres two trains of thought on modern weapons.

    But the Valiance has multiple extremely large and by some considered over the top laser cannons that are capable of punching through even modern shields with relative ease.

    They require the huge powerplant that is located deep within the Valiance and create massive amounts of heat that is radiated out through specially designed and constructed parts of the hull (like the ships in mass effect)

    Modern weapons I say are mostly obscenely powerful MAC guns and the sort on smaller ships who are a lot faster and try to align their guns for pinpoint strikes on critical parts of the enemy ship. They rely mostly on shields to deflect enemy fire. They also use missiles.

    The Valiance has missiles too. But more. Lots more. Gigantic missile racks. It also has shields but in some situations it can't use them and the guns (if the powerplant is damaged say or they try to boost shield strength)
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:19 No.7574388

    He's only read about these ships and systems in books, due to Valiant's restrained attitude and that it didn't have a voice module until recently he wasn't even aware Valiant had an AI.


    Galileo: Cavalier young buck trying to make a name for himself out here so he can be promoted and given a "proper" detail in the other war. Vastly downplays the seriousness of this war and bridles at his science vessel. Covets the valiant. Usually is the one who goads the other captains into joining in on the rivalry due to his quick tongue and hot temper. Not so stupid as to run off trying to prove something on his own but likes to march out any little innovation his science team produces and show it off to the other two, even if the new tech isn't 100% reliable.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:19 No.7574392

    He's plenty aggressive. But its precision aggression.

    The man is more used to working with a scalpel. Not a spiked mace.

    If you're wondering why I said maces specifically well thats because its an oddly subtle weapon when you want it to be.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:19 No.7574401

    When did that happen? It was valiant to begin with.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:20 No.7574412
    So, what about fighters? Does it have any?
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:21 No.7574431

    Meh don't like your idea on the Gali's captain. R&D specialist suits it much more with his first officer being the military man who doesn't like the job he has and wants a "real position".

    I just can't see an older man being the modern captain of the Valiance. An older captain would have the prestige and such to be assigned to a "real ship" in the eyes of the fleet. The young captains assignment to the Valiance is as much political manoeuvring on the part of his mentors rivals as it is a necessity in a time of scarcity.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:22 No.7574440

    I don't know.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:23 No.7574452

    Hey military scholar can be young, no one said he had to be an older guy.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:23 No.7574467

    Its certainly big enough. What do you lot think?

    Its been established that is the biggest ship in the fleet by a magnitude of 4 compared to the next largest ship in the fleet which would probably be the testament which is itself probably twice as big as the next largest.

    Remember the three ships could be clearly seen from the Earths surface during their construction in Earth orbit.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:24 No.7574480
    the nearest thing to a fighter should be small shuttles designed to land marines and act as air support for when planetary bombardment is too much dakka.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:26 No.7574503

    I had him pictured as a man who was on the fast track for the political arena inside the military. A man to whom commanding a ship would mean he's just doing dull patrols in safe sectors or ferrying diplomats and taking part in important diplomatic missions.

    Someone who never expected to have to do any serious fighting even with the war on. By no means a tactical idiot, the mans a genius tactically if not quite on the Valiance's level.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:26 No.7574513
    Personally I think the crew should be the very dregs of the fleet.

    the crew and engineers come from a local acadamy in a backwater colony plant. The captain of the Valliance/Valliant has a disciplinary record a mile long. The captain of the Gal is a drunken sot. The captain of the Testament is the son of a politician with a burning desire to prove himself and step out of the shadows.

    All of them rushed from the backwater because time is of the essence.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:26 No.7574516

    Fighters are a bit wooo all over the place in space.

    Hard to say if they're feasible or not. They'd probably use torpedoes or something.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:27 No.7574530
    I didn't mean the lack of weaponry, I mean the whole structure is flawed.

    The whole structure is a slab of steel on and under which everything has been stuck.

    Communications tower? What???

    The engines gimball only in one dimension and then only to one direction, so the whole shit has to be controlled by throttling the exhaust.

    The powerplant for the thing is inside the structure, okay, makes sense, but then the shitty engines are removed from it to the ends of pylons, the strength of which is questionable at best.

    And to consider that this is supposed to be a warship, it has NO ARMOR WHATSOEVER.
    The fucking thing doesn't even have a whipple shield. Of course, the lack of armor isn't as bad as the structure that seems to just call out to enemy gunners "HEY, SHOOT ME HERE, HERE AND HERE, THESE ARE THE PLACES I'M THE MOST VULNERABLE!!!"
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:29 No.7574555

    Well yeah the Valiances crew will mostly be people regarded as worthless. The decent people are all going on "real ships". Thats to make the captains assignment to it grate him even more.

    The Testaments captain has to be someone politically involved yes. But Captain of the Testament is an important political and propaganda position within the military so this guy will be older, probably given it as a pre-retirement wind down. The crew more used to holding lavish parties rather than fighting, bolstered by a mixed bunch of crewmen who are all vets but a bit mangled for it.

    The Gali's captain could be all sorts.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:30 No.7574558
    The campaign setting, if you were to use the Valiance & Co. in roleplay, is essentially X-COM in space. The main fleet of humanity is out fighting a war on a distant front, and doing average to well, when a second mysterious force shows up, glassing an outskirts planet way over on the opposite end of explored space. The only ships available are outdated mothballs from the "bigger is better" era (The Valiance), mostly decorative parade ships (The Testament), old battleships retrofitted into armored transports (The Guardian), and half-finished exploration/science vessels (The Galileo). These ships are sent out because all the high-ups think the current enemy is the real threat, and this new mystery foe is nothing major (BIG MISTAKE).

    The captains are the PCs, and are all inexperienced officers on their first commands. The crew is a bunch of dammed X-COM Rookies, their assigned resources are abysmal, and the enemy is totally unknown. The PCs have to turn their force into something capable of holding off the new foe. They'll need to fend off attacks by unknown ships with new and frightening capabilities, research the debris of said ships to create countermeasures and learn of the alien technologies, protect various colonies and outposts, and expand their forces with more ships either salvaged from ancient ship scrapyards, converted from civilian use, or built with whatever they can scrounge up.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:30 No.7574562
    I'd say no. The Valiance was designed as the be-all end-all of starship combat, independent of all support. It doesn't need fighters.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:31 No.7574570

    This is why the Valiance is effectively a flying brick bristling with guns, missile racks, extra armour and sensor panels.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:31 No.7574575




    Hot damn would I play the fuck out of that
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:31 No.7574576
    if you ask me, fighters seem to be more in the style of the newer ships rather than the old ones. the fighters strike fast and hard, distracting the foe and chipping away at it's shields, weakening a specific while you line up for the surgical strike, gutting the ship in one shot.

    The Valiance doesn't have fighters; pre-retrofits, at least. ships weren't as fast, the lack of shielding would make small fighters too fragile, and the inaccurate nature of Val's guns were a hazard to fighters
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:32 No.7574583

    Thats one way of looking at it.

    It will certainly have a small fleet of shuttles though for ferrying people and supplies.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:33 No.7574599

    Newer systems make the Valiances guns more accurate but yeah. Lets not bother giving the Valiance fighters.

    By and by I'm not thinking of all this from a roleplay campaign standpoint.

    I might actually try writing a book. Its a pretty good backstory.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:34 No.7574624

    Mmm I agree with this actually, they should be rag-tag underdogs.


    Considering how HUEG the ships are I imagine the other, smaller ships of the fleet might dock with the larger ones for various reasons and swarm around them in a mismatched horde of ships from multiple generations. There might be fighters somewhere in the swarm, even if they aren't viable there's got to be some representatives from a time when someone thought they were in there, you just can't really see them in amongst all the other flying bricks around.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:35 No.7574633
    I don't like the direction we're going with the "three ships big enough to see from earth's orbit" thing; that fluff makes it seem like they were supposed to be the ones paraded around like the testament was, and it doesn't make sense for the guardian to be reduced to civilian use if it was that significant to the war effort.

    I think it makes more sense if there were a lot of ships similar to the trio; they were the top of their class, yes, but a class nonetheless, one of many that fell by the wayside. When they decided to dig through the graveyard looking for ships to fly, Val just happened to be one of the ones that could get of the ground
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:36 No.7574641
    The Valiance uses simple tactics. Shields like a motherfucking wall of neutronium bricks, it slowly turns and fires while a whole fleet tries to wither it down. Each shot is one kill. Remember, it was designed to take down ships like itself.

    The shields are a retrofit, by the way. It could withstand that punishment without them.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:41 No.7574699
    It's been adequately explained.

    They aren't members of a larger class because building these three was cost-prohibitive. Humanity could only afford to build these three.

    This is centuries after their construction. One was mothballed, one was preserved as a living relic/monument, and the other was picked up by the private sector and fitted/modified to suit the various needs of it's owning corporations/captains over hundreds of years and hundreds of owners.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:46 No.7574755
    They were the first, designed to do stuff normally done by a whole fleet. Self sufficient, built to last for centuries. The idea was that humanity won't need any other starships. The Valiance and her sister ships were mankind's workhorses. That approach didn't last long. Smaller, specialized vessels were built, and the huge star dreadnoughts were left by the wayside. They soldiered on for thousands of years though, using their immense resources to turn the tide of many a space battle. They're forgotten by now, huge relics of a bygone age. Only the Valiance remains in barely spaceworthy condition. With full resources and repairs, it could still be the formidable defender of humanity it once was, but it was only kept around the boneyard for sentimental value. Only the fact that it was built for survival made sure that it was still in operational condition when the call came.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:51 No.7574803
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    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:53 No.7574821

    These ships are from when humanity took its first real steps into the galaxy. Until then they'd only taken baby steps.

    These ships represented an adults powerful stride.

    But they cost a lot. Were unwieldy compared to newer ships and their weapons were not precise which in a changing galaxy became the requirement.


    The Valiance was just mothballed because scrapping it was a monumental task.

    In an emergency it could be put back to use but this was unlikely because it was regarded as out of date.

    One of the three ships. The Judgement was destroyed. The Testament is one of the new ships that replaced the likes of the Valiance. Smaller, faster, better technology and much flashier.


    The Valiance wasn't so much designed to take down ships of its size. They didn't exist. Wrecks did but no working ships. It was designed to take them down if it met them but it was mostly designed to protect human colonies from any kind of ship.

    Thats why its weapons and armour are so over the top. Also why its FTL system is so amazingly powerful in comparison to those mounted on smaller ships. It was designed to go where it was needed fast and win wars.

    In battle it relied on its armour withstanding punishment until it responded with overwhelming firepower.

    Now it has shields this becomes even easier considering the power of the shields it can mount. But it has to depower the main lasers (leave it with only missiles and point defenses) or the FTL drive to keep its shields up. The powerplant wasn't designed to have such a system installed.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:54 No.7574828

    Just without the fabbers
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:55 No.7574840
    If Valiant had fighters I would imagine them to be like the ship itself, bulky, slow (by modern standards) and brutal.

    Because the Valiant isn't the most maneuverable ship around it compensates by having an selection of gun- and missile boats on board.

    The gun boats are used to augment the Valiants point defenses and escorting the torpedo boats.

    The torpedo boats are used to attack ships with damaged shields that thought that they were safe just by turning the damaged section away from Valiant.

    There are also other craft like dedicated EW boats that assist the Valiant and other parasite craft with their sensors and electronic warfare equipment.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:57 No.7574867
    >The powerplant wasn't designed to have such a system installed.

    Well they save a lot of energy with the new targeting computers installed. Man, these things were so inefficient back in the day! And the Galileo reports they can reduce energy consumption further by replacing the cooling coils on the main turret array with newer models...
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)15:57 No.7574871

    I dunno thinking on it. I just don't see the Valiant needing fighters. Landing craft and smaller ships yeah it would have plenty of. But not intended for combat just to be useful. Like repair craft.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)15:59 No.7574881
    So how about the enemy?
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    This is man is the voice of the AI!
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:02 No.7574919
    >This is man
    Damnit, you never saw that is.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:07 No.7574967

    If I do write a book about the Valiance...it would be a trilogy.

    The first book would be: The Valiance. The story of the ship being recommissioned and its first battles against the enemy. It would be a self contained book. One that you could read on its own. The Testament would be in this book too.

    Then would come The Judgement. The story of the three ships, humanity's first steps into space, the two alien races they encountered and the story of the first war humanity fought against another race. Ending the book with a brief overview of what lead to the Guardian being sold and the Valiance being mothballed along with the origins of the Testament.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:08 No.7574975

    The final book in the trilogy would be: The Guardian. This one would pick up where the first book left off. With the Valiance's amazing success against the enemy it would be upgraded further and have the Galileo join the Valiance and the Testament to provide assistance with upgrades, analyse enemy forces and figure out why the Valiance and the Testament are performing so well despite being outdated relics. This book would finish the war ending on a happy note with the Valiance being upgraded further and returned to full time duty for the forseeable future.

    The books ending would have two things. The captain, at the beginning of the trilogy a young man is now an old grizzled vet who's retiring and going home to the world he grew up on to spend more time with his family and grandchildren.

    The Galileo AI and its Captain are presenting the findings of their decades of research on the Valiance to the fleet admirals which is basically summed up as "You want quality you have to pay through the nose for it. Simple as really."

    The Captain just before he leaves asks the Valiance a few questions about his behaviour and state of being. The Valiance reveals how despite appearances his behaviour has always had logical, rational reasoning behind it and reveals that all AIs are actually like this. The only difference between him and other AIs is that he does not have social interaction software that adds to his directives to make him seem more "human". He is simply a machine. A tool. Incapable of emotion, sentimentality or any feeling that the human Captain would recognise.

    But for what its worth the Valiance says that he regrets the Captain has grown old. Saying it will be a long time before the new Captain becomes as competent as he was. When the Captain says that Valiance is just saying that for the same reasons he ever said anything the Valiance reveals there is no reason for him to do that.

    And on that it ends.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:09 No.7574992

    I would probably try to maintain mystery on their nature.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:09 No.7574994
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    Would the Galileo be one of those big ships, then? I'm just imagining a slightly smaller more streamlined ship.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:10 No.7575004
    Nah, theyre meant to be members of the reserve army in the original thing who've been desperatly moved out to pilot ancient ships in an attempt to save the world.
    They're undertrained, underqualitied, underequip and in over their heads.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:11 No.7575025
    second ship wasn't the judgement. it was the justice.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:12 No.7575029


    Forgot to add the Guardian into the story somewhere. It would come in the third book. A trader ship that gets stuck helping out worlds caught by an enemy blockade. Using looted weapons from enemy ships to fight them.

    The ancient AI within the Guardian directing its conflicted crew. Many of the crew don't want to fight but others do. The Guardian and its Captain constantly battle the enemy without and the enemy within. Until finally the Valiance and the Guardian meet again and drive the enemy back where they came from.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:13 No.7575042

    Deep space exploration, bigger than your typical freighter due to the logistics of conducting experiments in potentially multiple fields at once and thus accommodating a crew large enough to support that.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:13 No.7575047
    Galileo needs to have lots of antennas and radar dishes
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:13 No.7575049

    The Galileo is a modern science vessel.

    Its a lot smaller. Dwarfed by the Valiance.
    And FUCK!

    He was right it is the Justice. When did its name change?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:14 No.7575052
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    The Galileo would have a number of lab modules that could be decoupled from the main hull if anything went catastrophically wrong, as well as a manufacturing facility for prototype development of upgrades and replacement parts. Sort of like the Kuun-Laan in picrelated.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:14 No.7575064

    Yeah. While its large for a modern ship its still tiny compared to the Valiance. But its a respectable size next to the Testamament.

    However it was not designed as a military ship. Its weapon systems are bolt ons and thus are badly placed and glitchy. Although its shields are respectable.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:17 No.7575087
    it should also have a sleeker body style. it was meant for exploration and study first and foremost and its design should reflect that.

    Still built big to be impressive to any new species it met, but sleek and functional as well.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:19 No.7575114
    here, i think >>7574083
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:19 No.7575119
    This might be the dumbest thread I've ever seen on /tg/ What the fuck?
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:19 No.7575122

    The Gali is a functional ship originally commissioned by a planetary university. Like one guy mentioned its modular. An idea I'm thinking is a design similar to an umbrella. Inside the head is all the crew quarters and such along with the bridge. The shaft is simply access points for the detachable modules which range from labs to workshops to small automated factories and at the end of the shaft is the engine room. Naturally its got a framework that increases the overall strength of the structure but thats just what I was thinking.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:20 No.7575131

    It was me?!

    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:22 No.7575153
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    You sir, have not seen the awesome. May this fact forever torment you.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:23 No.7575169

    /tg/ is probably the only creative board on 4Chan.

    In just a few hours we've taken the concept of a Starfleet ship storage yard and turned it into this epic tale of three mighty ships made by humans when they first went into space, war, the nature of conciousness and what it means to be alive.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:24 No.7575189
    yeah. you totally missed out, dude. not your fault, blame the nature of how these boards work that old things must die.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:25 No.7575201
    This reminds me of Lost Universe.

    Ancient Powerful Ships from another time being used by humans.

    The one has a psychic powered sword. The other is a gun slinging muckraker.

    It's not a bad series, actually. Too funny and not enough space battle.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:27 No.7575221

    This one would be more hard sci-fi and less WOOO MAGICKS!
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:28 No.7575236
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    so it's like the dome ships in animorphs?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:30 No.7575254
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    Like this?
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:32 No.7575277

    Yes just without the crazy whackjobs and loads of modular labs, etc bolted onto the shaft.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:41 No.7575401
    I really might try my hand at turning this into a book now.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:53 No.7575550

    Be prepared to sit down, write some really awesome stuff out, and then get stuck.

    Many, many, many times. It's been three years since I started on mine, and I've got the basic idea of where I want to take the book, but I have no clue as to how I should progress.

    One more thing. There is a book called "Strength and Honor". It's got some space combat in it that I found enjoyable.

    So get to researchin.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)16:54 No.7575572

    Heh wanting to do hard sci-fi makes it even worse.

    Woo physics books!

    Got any other tips?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:58 No.7575616

    Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds is an awesome hard sci-fi space opera.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:58 No.7575617
    "Captain, the enemy battlestation's kinetic shielding is adequate against my primary weapons systems. It's destruction will be time consuming at best. I do, however, have an alternative. I draw your attention to the file marked epsilon-delta on your personal display."
    "That's a potentially resource intensive strategy, Valiance."
    "I concur. However, with the destruction of the battlestation the rest of the defenders can be mopped up with minimal effort, and then the resources of this system are ours to plunder. I am certain this will result in a net gain of resources for the war effort."
    "Very well, Valiance. Execute plan epsilon-delta."
    "Acknowledged. Helm set course zero zero mark zero relative to primary. Engine room make revolutions for redline sublight velocity. Discretionary power to forward shielding. All crews forward of bulkhead beta evacuate aft. Course correction executed. Main engines to redline. All crew brace for impact in thirty seconds mark."
    "Uh, Captain? Is this entirely wise?"
    "If you have a better idea, Lieutenant, I'd be happy to entertain it. You have thirty seconds to make your pitch."
    "Forward shields running at one hundred twenty percent. Main engines at redline. Forward crew sections report evacuated. Impact in fifteen seconds."
    "Impact in ten seconds, bringing structural reinforcement fields to overpower. Impact in five... four... three... two... one."
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)16:58 No.7575626

    "Target disrupted. Hull breaches on decks three through fourteen, bulkhead alpha. No breaches in beta section, re-opening doors. Triage team to deck three bulkhead gamma. Primary turrets track the large debris from the battlestation to clear navigational hazard. Target priority list uploaded to your stations. Secondary turrets eliminate remaining small defence craft. Target priority list uploaded to your stations. Discretionary power to reserves. Main engines to seventy percent sublight power. Helm hard to starboard-dorsal. Setting for stable orbit at three hundred kilometers."
    "Valiance to Galileo, the area is clear for your survey. Try to find us some titanium, please. We need to replace our forward armour plating."
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:00 No.7575668

    As someone who's working on a concept and trying to get it to paper, I can say this.

    Culture. Culture is crucial.

    Why? Because humanity seems to be a culture based society. We crave the attention and the feeling of being with a group. We have certain concepts about what is and is not acceptable in cultures.

    So what do you do? Well, if you're looking to make a different human culture, look to the current ones, and the ancient ones, pick and choose, give them a reason as to why they do it, and presto.

    Instant New Culture.

    As for making it as realistic as possible? Look for anything involving humanity fighting in space in 1970's gear. I forget the series name, but there was one where a group of soldiers used a Challenger Rocket Vietnam era weaponry to take out it's opponents.

    Watch what your weapons are, and look to Clancy for help. Clancy might suck at story telling sometimes, but god damn his gun porn is amazing. He tells you down to the letter how a gun fires a bullet.

    Hmm.... Let me think.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)17:01 No.7575684

    This is what the captain and the Valiances relationship would be like in the third book I think.

    And dam whoever that is, is a much better writer than me.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:03 No.7575707
    Quake 2 or Quake 4 like flagships ?


    Quake 2 intro ship looks way more bulky and armed than the quake 4 ships
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:04 No.7575733
    do what all good fa/tg/uy writers do. turn it into a campaign, have your pcs run it, railroad a bit, then write down what happens and sell it
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:05 No.7575749
    Thank you. There was an earlier post about the Valiance ramming an enemy ship that just spoke to me. My first attempt at some writefaggotry here on /tg/, too.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)17:08 No.7575799

    Mine never turns out quite how I want it. Annoying as fuck
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:30 No.7576136
    3D drawfag reporting in. Trying my hand on a smaller shitbrick of a vessel thrown together from old Battlestar Galactica colonial fleet tidbits I found elsewhere. Bristling with guns and butt ugly. Might serve as a guideline when finished.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)17:37 No.7576279
    The grey haired captain didn't flinch or even deign to look as his first officer threw a datatablet on his desk. Its now flickering display showing what to most officers would be a godsend.
    "Now son you've earned that promotion. Most would be a little more grateful."
    The young officer is pacing in circles in front of the desk obviously angry at this development.
    "It's not the promotion. It's my assignment, have you SEEN my assignment? I'm being forced onto a damned relic! The fucking Valiance That things a museum piece. Its can't even be spaceworthy anymore."

    The captain turns his chair to look at his junior.
    "Don't you think I know that? I've been fighting hard to stall your promotion in the hopes that something better would come up. But the enemy has decimated fleet resources. All the new ships are going to more experienced Captains, there is nothing out there for Junior Captains except for recommissioned ships."
    "But there must be something better than the Valiance. Why can't we take this to command? It would be suicide to use a ship like that in modern naval combat"

    The captain picks up and taps the flickering datatablet.
    "I've already tried that. Results are piss poor though. I'm afraid there is nothing that can be done at this point, your record will always show that you were captain of the Valiance. However I'm working to make sure you get an expedient transfer to a better ship, just go there and go through the motions. I assure you, you will be off that ship before its even finished its refit."

    The junior officer seems to calm down a bit at this but is still fidgeting nervously.
    "Still its my first command. That will leave a mark."
    "Well my boy there are worse things. At least you can say your first command was the largest ship in the fleet. Remember always try to turn a disadvantage into an advantage...although that will be difficult with this one."
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:39 No.7576298
    You need to learn some spelling and grammar before attempting a book, son.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)17:39 No.7576310


    I must have missed something and yes grammar...need lots of that.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)17:42 No.7576348

    just make sure you add the dorsal and ventral gun line equally I've never found a space ship with a proportional distribution of weapons across its surface
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)18:11 No.7576771
    I should probably give up on the book idea.

    Can't really make a living out of it I guess
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)18:16 No.7576831
    it's perfectly acceptable to make it a short story.

    A full length book is going to require much more than these threads have covered, and you will have to fully develop and flesh out crew members and individual back stories.

    A short story told in 3rd person about a ship's AI would still be fascinating enough and would save a lot of work that could potentially ruin the thing.

    Remember, this is about the Valiance first and foremost. The crew is just another in a thousand year odd long service life that has seen many crews and captains and their struggles.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)18:33 No.7576894

    Yeah but I've always wanted to write a book.

    And this is something that could make an epic book.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)18:34 No.7576910

    Start small. Work hard. And don't get discouraged.

    Advice from a fellow writefag here, btw.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)18:35 No.7576917
    well, break your book down into chapters, and write each chapter like it's short story.

    You know, take things one at a time.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:27 No.7577671

    let put things straight

    /a/ has done that Katawa shoujo
    /k/ got a meme in a /v/ideo game
    /b/ has made a shit ton of annoying stuff

    sure /tg/ has its homebrews but nothing like this, we support you on wrighting this book doesn't have to be huge but it is something we belive that can be done
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:31 No.7577757
    We did some stuff to change 4e, I think.

    We made the Blade Cascade exploit, causing Wizards to put out errata for it real fast.
    We complained hard about the quality of their articles, making them issue a public apology and improve the quality of their next class articles.
    We had them make a lawsuit against us.
    And who knows, they might just use the errata we made to fix the PHB.

    Oh wait, that was all one person from here.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:36 No.7577859
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    Just playing around with greebles and low-poly meshes.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:41 No.7577935

    There's also Grendel. Who's been mentioned in Dark Heresy.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:44 No.7577994
    Which proves that you have to be an obsessed aspie to make a difference.

    Like Bill Gates was.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:52 No.7578142
    So this awesome thread is ruined by 4rries and edition trolls too. Damnit, /tg/, I had hopes for that one!
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)19:56 No.7578193
    Bumping worthwhile content. There's too much trolling on the front page right now.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:10 No.7578415

    I'm just playing x-com now. Thinking
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:13 No.7578469
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    Butt ugly and bristling with guns, but somehow feels to small.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:14 No.7578506
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    Pre-dreadnought gun arrangement, with point defense against varying threat levels. Not enough armor.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:17 No.7578552

    It's a bit too flat. Consensus was that it was going to be vaguely cylindrical, I believe.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:19 No.7578586
    Also the prow is more pointed. It doesn't have a flat one.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:21 No.7578606
    err, which /k/ meme made it into a video game?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:22 No.7578627
    I'm thinking roughly the shape of an oceangoing battleship.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:23 No.7578641
    Several did. They made a gun for Army of Two, and got it in by rigging the vote. It's DLC, I believe.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:25 No.7578676
    sort of like a positive and helpful Berserker awareness.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:26 No.7578689
    External drive nacelles OK or not? Brainstorming for version 2.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:27 No.7578702
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:28 No.7578721
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:30 No.7578736
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    Just another picture, highlighting my idea of the gun arrangement. Pre-dreadnought, with a double gun line. Lower back houses the generator.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:31 No.7578745
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:32 No.7578769
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    >> aLteRnate OP 01/13/10(Wed)20:32 No.7578771
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    This nugget of awesome is a combination sniper rifle/grenade launcher! The extended clipazine holds plenty of specialized rounds, while the hopper on top holds small grenades that can blow anything up! The 2 scopes improve accuracy. This weapon, invented by Mack of Future Weapons, combines the firepower of a grenade launcher with the accuracy of a sniper rifle. However, it is bolt-action, which means it is slow to reload.

    Brought to you by /k/
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:33 No.7578778
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    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:34 No.7578787

    No the drive is internal.

    For the basic shape think a brick with one end, ending in a point.

    A little thicker than it is tall. Big main guns on every side with shitloads of point defenses all over its surface.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:34 No.7578789

    I lol'd.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:34 No.7578792
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    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:35 No.7578801

    This one is closer to what it looks like
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:36 No.7578807

    I figured it would have been deagle brand deagles...
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:36 No.7578812

    Wing Commander, fuck yeah! I loved the look of the WCI and WCII Confed designs. And that green color... lovely. Got a Concordia?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:36 No.7578819
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    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:37 No.7578832

    Man that was a classic series.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:38 No.7578835
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:40 No.7578872
    This is genius.
    I find it hilarious that anyone, particularly the developers, are even taking it even remotely seriously.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:41 No.7578881

    These are the people who made "blinging" your weapons a selling point for the game...
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:44 No.7578911
    But it's just the fact it is comprised of random things, most stuck on the wrong way round, that just wouldn't work no matter what.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:46 No.7578948
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    heavy carrier / Concordia
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:47 No.7578966
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:48 No.7578975
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    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:48 No.7578979

    Is this a mod or it's own game?
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:48 No.7578980
    >that just wouldn't work no matter what.

    Like a hopper. For grenades,
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:48 No.7578981
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    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:49 No.7579000

    I doubt its a game. Its probably just a render.

    Anyways fuck me. We really did a lot /tg/ we started with a starfleet scrapyard and fleshed it into a tale of three mighty ships, a galaxy and so much more.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:50 No.7579006
    >> aLteRnate OP 01/13/10(Wed)20:50 No.7579009
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    If we made this setting into a game, we should have /k/ design the tech tree for the boarding weapons.

    I'd love to see the stats for the Deagle brand Deagle. Best handgun, but it runs the risk of blowing up the ship you're trying to steal.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)20:51 No.7579035

    Oh gods no.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)20:55 No.7579077
    Oh, awesome. I just got that for Christmas.
    >> Commissar-Kun !uNEmgZBQBo 01/13/10(Wed)21:02 No.7579165
    Well /tg/ I think I'll be fucking off now. This was fun.
    >> Anonymous 01/13/10(Wed)21:10 No.7579295
    Coincidentally, I'm just slapping huge turrets on that one...

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