Lamias, nagas, snakegirls or whatever you want to call them, worldbuilders always wave them off as living in caves or forests or some shit, reducing them to the status of "lol, humanoid monster hanging out in the wild" so lately' i've tried to brainstorm what a modern city built for them would look like.> After the destruction of their home planet, a benevolent post singularity AI has swept them up into a spaceship, where they are headed off to a supercolony nearer to the galactic core.> Trouble is, they are a primitive species who must be taught, over the course of generations, to coexist with more advanced races. So the AI tailormade a city to suit their physiology. > It has limited technology, but over time more and more aspects will we introduced during their journey. Think of it as training wheels for a sci fi civilization.> First comes the obvious. There are no stairs, only ramps. Escalators are more like conveyor belts, and spiral staircases are more like spiral ramps. The corridors and rooms are extremely large and open.> Every ceiling has a heat lamp. There is underfloor heating on every square inch of floor.
Why wouldn't everything be poles and pillars?Also you should drop the whole "uplift civilization" subplot. It gets retarded the more thought you put into it. Just have them already be advanced and design architecture around what is convenient for their bodies.
>>74141144>architectural feature: many shallow pools and fountains.
>>74141144In my setting they’re a normal race that lives among the rest. Same movement as any other non-aquatic races.
OP I can say confidently and with a full heart that you should get help and this is some of the most egregious storyshitting I have ever seen.
>>74141218Yeah, that's it. Poles heading down great shafts, with doorways placed along various intervals. That could do for densely populated areas, but as arboreal creatures they could suffer a bit of claustrophobia, really. That would say something about social status. Rich lamias get to live in majestic open air estates, while the poor have to slither up twenty meters of pillar to sleep in a dingy little apartment with a single tiny window.
>>74141363Yeah, that could lead to a lot of complications. Monster Musume told me all I needed to know about how a lamia would deal in a human city, but now I want to pull it in the opposite direction.
>>74141144I too have wondered about the logistics of this.
>>74142446So have I. > Every room kept moderately humid, meaning that the furniture is like what you'd see in a swimming pool> Childrens' playgrounds look like a cross between a cat scratcher and a jungle gym, with propellors and pulleys. Lots of poles and platforms, and very long slides.> Library goes downwards, conically in an inverted spiral, with shelves on the side of each section.
>>74141144I feel like rooms in general have to be bigger in order to accommodate that nagas' snake body takes up a lot more floor space than a standing human. In addition maybe have more stuff anchored down to avoid it getting knocked over by a misplaced body coil.
>>74142545>library goes downwards Wut
>>74143122Well you have to ask what furniture they would even want. Different body means different designs
>>74143141I have a feeling that a lot of the furniture will be supported on top of tapering cylinder structures so most of them are hugging the ground. This way it minimizes the likelihood of any lamia knocking it over. Also, it prevents lengths of coils from getting trapped underneath it, as it would with any other table with table legs. Since these people don't have legs, the same should go for their furniture.
>>74141144>The corridors and rooms are extremely large and open.If they behave like actual snakes, you'd probably want the opposite. Snakes feel uncomfortable in open spaces because they're not very fast to being out in the open where they're easier to spot makes them vulnerable.You also could probably do away with ramps in most cases. Snakes are very good at climbing even vertical surfaces as long as it's not completely smooth, and if the height difference is small enough they can keep part of their body on the ground they can just support themselves with the part still on the ground and lift the rest of their body straight up (here my snake demonstrates: she has no problem touching the ceiling of her tank from the floor just by reaching up without any support).
>>74143317Omg sweet bby
>>74143141They definitely wouldn't be using the kinds of chairs humans do. You wouldn't really be able to comfortable sit in one with a snake body. I'd imagine their furniture would be more like sofas, so they could lay their bodies down on them. Probably with one side having an elevated backrest type part like you see in those poolside chair/bed things, but for holding their upper body more upright for when they're sitting at a desk or something.
>>74141144What's wrong with villages in caves or forests?I feel like this is similar to getting mad that the scorpion people live in desert burrows.
>>74144041No, I meant that they're usually depicted living lives of solitude in forests and caves, kind of like a stone age level of technology. This is quite common and is usually the first thing people think of regarding lamias outside of monster musume.
>>74144016The same could go for beds. Massive, plush, circular beds.And as for pic related: I like to imagine their rooms having crossbars with a big cushion wrapped around them so they can be at eye level to various things higher up on the wall, like bookshelves, windows, and paintings. Perhaps it could remind them of a tree branch crossing above them.
>>74144189I only make them solitary if they're like... a horse+ sized carnivore.And then I still don't make them stone age unless all local villages absolutely refuse to trade with them, which would be very strange. And even then, they'd probably steal metal tools.
>>74144016Like this, but with a large round cushion section to catch the coils. Or just much longer, to accommodate the rest of the body.
One thing that should be taken into account for a snekgirl civilisation is what and how they eat. All snakes are obligate carnivores, so they wouldn't have use for agriculture except for growing feed for any food animals they keep (though if they have a humanoid upper body maybe they have a diet more similar to humans as well?). They'd also be huge, several times longer and therefore more massive than humans, so they'd need a lot more food, even if they have a slower metabolism (and if they have human-like intelligence they'd have to have a faster metabolism than actual snakes, because large brains need a lot of energy).And if their behavious is based on actual snakes, most snakes are kind of gluttons. Since they don't actively chase after prey and instead rely more on waiting catching them by surprise, they may go for long periods with no food or get a good opportunity to catch prey multiple times in a row. So most snakes are wired to eat whenever food is available and digest their meals very quickly (some snakes can actually eat their own bodyweigth eveyr day if given the opportunity, though this obviously isn't good for their long term health). If that also carries over to snekgirls i'd expect them to either have a serious obesity problem if their society can produce a readily available source of food like ours can, or go through cycles of eating everything and having to wait for their food supply to replenish. It might also be difficult for them to get started on animal husbandry as they'd have to constantly resist the temptation to eat all their animals now instead of leaving some around to produce more.
>>74144223What i'm trying to go for is urban fantasy. That is to say, an age of peace where industrial civilization has made lazybones out of everyone. Our human ancestors once sprinted across the african savannah, and with spears alone we hunted earth's megafauna to extinction. We were natural monster hunters. The bane of grazers. And now, after millennia of sedentary living, we're physically weaker than every other animal our size. What's to say the same won't happen to everyone else?
>>74141144I don't really understand why the whole AI/technology thing is needed.Like surely >>74141218>>74141334That works just fine?I have some cities with a significant gorgon population in my pet shitbrew setting and that's what it's like, lots of upwardly built housing, curving passageways underground and through buildings, fountains and pillars instead of stairs (sometimes turned into ladders so nonsneks can climb them more easily too). And lots of statues.
>>74144295Closest I've come for that is using plus sized monstergirls and having citystates use them as bronze-age superweapons.
>>74144275> If that also carries over to snekgirls i'd expect them to either have a serious obesity problemIn which capacity we can look to Elf San wa Yaserarenai as to how we can fix this problem!
>>74144299Yeah, that was an arbitrary decision at the time. Maybe it could be a plot point, i dunno. But you can go on the same with that excluded.
>>74144275>snakes are wired to eat whenever food is available>It might also be difficult for them to get started on animal husbandry as they'd have to constantly resist the temptation to eat all their animals now instead of leaving some around to produce more.Honestly I think this would be the first hurdle any sapient civilization would have to overcome; Being able to plan and prepare for the future is the whole reason we switched from roaming hunter/gatherers to stationary farmers after all.Given the particularities of serpentine locomotion, I think that after establishing the self-control needed to not glut themselves on all their food in one go, Snek Civilization would be extremely agriculturally focused and highly conservative.
>>74144424> extremely agriculturally focused and highly conservative.Dammit, now you've given me an idea for matriarchical clans of lamias herding sheep and cattle across the hills, then running frontier ranches and plantations, gestating a culture that will later incline them towards right wing and libertarian political leanings when industrialism brings modern politics into fruition.
>>74141421Where did you niggers come up with this word?How could this possibly become an issue?STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH DISCORD FAGGOTS.And since I know you have to be a discoed subhuman to need that vocab:KILL YOURSELF DISCORD FAGGOT
Around winter, there would be a huge surge in advertisements for products geared towards heat, underlying the cold blooded nature of lamias, and could be a culturally agreed upon time to come together (literally and metaphorically) for the christmas spinoff of this au. Stockings, fireplaces, all of that takes on a new life for the civilizations needs. Plenty of opportunity for parody and the altering of the traditional cliches of winter time festivities. Even a gimmick about the importance of hand holding to keep warm
I don't know about modern cities but in more warlike times the cities of lamia would have to be highly defensible with a focus on traps and support for ranged weapons. The big advantage Lamia have are arms that could use ranged weapons without any fuss. While a Lamia is going to be very strong they are not going to be very nimble and are more likely to get hit because of the size and the large limb trailing behind them, Armour or other protective equipment is going to be largely useless as getting enough to outfit themselves and cover the entire body is going to be prohibitively expensive. They will not fight in tightly packed formations and they are likely to be picked apart in a skirmish by smaller and more nimble targets. I expect this would lead to a race that is very conservitive and unwilling to go to war when they can defend land and prepare for attacks. They are more likely to do well in a defensive siege then in an offensive one. Trade and a way to settle disputes between famalies is likely going to be very important. It should be noted however that while an Army of Lamia is likely going to have a lot of trouble dealing with most other armies a single Lamia could scale a city wall or a fortification with only very minimal equipment and very quietly. Assassins would be the tool of choice.
>>74141421Better storyshit than storynothing.
>>74144566I don't think libertarialism would really fit them well, as while it's an ideology popular with (American) conservatives, it's actually economically liberal (economical liberalism/conservatism is a different thing from social liberalism/conservatism: economical conservatism is about avoiding financial risks and letting the economy be able to be regulated by the government, while economic liberalism is about privatization and little to no government oversight on the economy). I'd imagine a society developed from a sedetary and socially conservative agricultural society would be more likely to also be financially conservative. They'd likely be community-minded and rather save their wealth in case they need it in the future instead of blowing it in risky investments, and would be unwilling to hand control over their finances to an outside group, whether it is private or public (this is assuming they run their own government: if they would be part of some kind of federal state like USA, then they'd likely oppose the federal state having control over the economy instead of the individual member states, as they'd want to remain in control of their own finances, which would make them more financially liberal by comparison).
>>74144693> StockingsYou know, the thing about tailsocks is that a lamia's tail is cold blooded. This means that since they can't produce any heat of their own, insulative clothing would be useless since they produce no heat to trap. Tailsocks would just be weight and texture for the tail. So I think a better alternative is to stuff the insides with hot water flasks to create that heat, packing them inside some wool. Hell, there should be inner pockets inside lamia clothing, especially the jackets.Maybe we could also add a tailshoe for the tailsock. A very long stocking that resembles an elongated shoe with many segments, with little compartments inside to stick warm water bottles, accessed by zippers. There will of course, be those ridges at the bottom of a shoe all across the bottom.
>>74144945It wouldn't be entirely useless, as it would reduce the rate they lose heat through their skin. Though they would need some other heat source to warm themselves up first. Like first basking near a fire to build up heat, then putting on insulating clothing while going outside so they don't lose the stored heat as quickly.
>>74145015So in a modern setting, where they've got not much free time and have to worry about timekeeping, they need to keep a bunch of flasks ready for the commute to work when it's cold, windy and raining outside. There's simply not enough time to light the fireplace and spend time basking, that would be precious hours that would be better spent sleeping. But then again, you're right. Clothes would delay the rate of heat loss. That's why tailsocks would be useful for that reason, also texture. It's no fun slithering across hard asphalt, cracks, broken glass, and branches when you're that big.
Given that these things aren't entirely snakes and have at least some human in there, I think they really wouldn't be as hampered by heat as people make it out.
>>74144814>Assassins would be the tool of choice.Lamia assassins would be pretty scary. Snakes can climb sheer walls, move very silently, and can squeeze through extremely tight openings. Plus, at the risk of going too magical realm, they'd also be very good at not leaving evidence. Constrict the victim so there's no blood and swallow the body (at least if they don't have to squeeze through another tight space to get out). Snakes can completely digest almost all parts of an animal, including the bones, and do so very quickly (in a day or two), so there's not going to be remains to be discovered.
>>74141144That they require this amount of customisation when you try to mix them in with another more humanoid civilisation is part of why I don't have them around or at least not yetBut godspeed, Anon.
>>74143333Thanks. I didn't have time to reply to someone asking in the last snek thread, but the really cute thing is that if I put my hand in her tank when not feeding her (or sometimes just stand in front of it), she'll come to check if I have food for her. Usually she'll smell my hand or stares at me for a while, then realises I don't have food, and goes back to her hide. Snakes are smarter than people give them credit for. Though still not all that smart: she may have figured I feed her, but not that I I only do it once a week.
>>74144348>Elf San wa YaserarenaiA man of taste, I see.
>>74145448I myself find it much easier to keep these population densities low and slip one here or a family there.
>>74145172I honestly think they could just be warmblooded. I remember reading a theory that dinosaurs might not have been coldblooded, due to the way they reach their sizes at that speed; a warmblood metabolism would be needed there.
>>74145319I mean, it would be pretty difficult for a human skull to accommodate a human body, and keep in mind they also have hominid ribcages. And besides, castles would have narrow doorways and small windows in the event of this happening. I can't imagine a lamia assassin faring well with only enough space for her tail to scooch about like an inchworm. Sure, we might associate snakes with stealthiness but put a human on the end and it becomes an entirely different story, you get what I'm saying?
>>74145688Also, they take four to five days to digest things so people are gonna get pretty suspicious about that tail bump.
>>74145665Yeah that would probably be the best way to go about it.For my thing I tried to keep everything mixed together at similar numbers, with some exceptions, with not too much specialised tech going around, which becomes a problem with anything that doesn't have legs. At least in the modern age, considering say driving a car or flying an airplane.Could be that they'd be local to one world somewhere and not all too numerous.
>>74144275>gratification delay is the great filter between us and snek waifus That’s why we act as men and UPLIFT them ourselves, and have fat noodle snek wives lying around our houses from now to the end of time.>>74145620>>74144348It’s only a matter of time bro’s o7 o7
>>74145688She'd probably still have easier time crawling through tight spaces than humans, since snakes don't have to move their body much at all to crawl forward. They can just use their belly scutes to grip and push themselves forward, which isn't as fast as slithering from side to side but requires far less space.>>74145702From my experience, while it takes about a week between eating and pooping, the bump is usually almost or completely gone after 24 hours, and you can handle the snake without worrying about it vomiting (which they may do if feeling threatened while their meal restricts their movement). It takes longer to completely digest their meal, but at that point it's been broken down enough to not really restrict them. This is assuming a prey item of about the same width as the thickest part of the snake's body (which is generally considered the standard size to feed most snakes). A larger meal will take more time to digest.
>>74141144This thread is a waste of time.
>>74145752>That’s why we act as men and UPLIFT them ourselves, and have fat noodle snek wives lying around our houses from now to the end of time.But if the sneks get fat they'll have worse quality of life and probably die from heart attack. It's your responsibility to make sure your snek waifu doesn't overeat, and have the willpower to not give her snacks even if she begs you.
>>74145881No, you're a waste of time. What would you rather have us discuss here, then? Endless tedium about HEMA?I swear, every time you come across something that tangentially sparks joy, it makes a hemorrhoid erupt in your asshole. The least you could do is not splash that blood all over us. Make your own fucking thread instead of whining. This board is for fantasy related shenanigans, thought experiments, and above all, FUN.Look back and see what conversations like these led to before the election tourists came. Perhaps you will appreciate it.
>>74146107Now that brings to mind: lamia exercise equipment. Of course, they can use treadmills. How about a big horizontal pillar that spins, like a vertical treadmill that forces them to slither in one direction. That sounds like it could work. but I don't know much about exercise equipment, though.
>>74145578>>74143317Snakes are adorable, smart in some ways, and thick as a brick in others. Mine used to climb the wall of her vivarium, get too high, unbalance, and then fall backwards with her head landing in the water dish. Five to six times a night.Yours is chuffing cute.
>>74146602What about objects that they are meant to crush with their snake bodies? Like grip strengtheners, but for constriction.
If sneople were building structures for themselves, they would probably rely on ramps. But if a more humanoid race was building a space that they were planning to invite sneople to share with them, they might go with something like staggered staircases
>>74145702If she normally eats a pig or goat once a week, the bump wouldn't really be very suspicious. Even if it's bigger than usual she could just pass it off as having a big meal.
Imagine being some humanoid ambassador to a region of snake people. Getting around would probably be fine unless they use lots of poles and bars for vertical movement. Also better bring a sleeping bag just in case you can't reach or use your designated sleeping spot. Winter would be a quiet time with nobody out in the streets and you'd probably get a ton of worried faces asking if you're cold or whatnot from going outside. Also what would bathrooms be like, hole in the ground situation?
>>74141421Goddamnit, I hadn't seen you for a while and thought you'd died.
>>74142545Sounds good anon, but what in the case of a flood? Would there be a drainage system at the bottom of the library? Would that be able to work with the water table so it doesn't become a well with soggy paper? Or is the library just this really tall structure?
>>74146913I've been looking for whoever drew that invaluable picture for ages. Google reverse search has failed me, as usual. If only they could trace back to the oldest instance of that image on the internet.Sauce?
>>74146827Yeah, like an assortment of large springs with various tensile strengths.
>>74147047I might be wrong, but try Noodlemage/Lewdlemage on Tumblr.It might be gone though, after Tumblr's fuckery.
>>74146979A very tall structure, I think. That idea was pretty poorly thought out. I had thought some degree of terracing and indoor verticality might instinctually appeal to them.
>>74146914If there aren't many ramps around, then you better get ready and practice climbing fireman's poles. Or hugging pillars while carrying a backpack full of rocks. Maybe you would need some suction cup gloves if worse comes to worse.
>>74147055> Noodlemage> NoodleSounds promising indeed.
>>74147068Nah, I'm sure it would work if let's say it was on a tall hill overlooking the rest of the town which was built at a lower elevation. Or possibly in the desert where said water table is extremely low and everyone lives deep underground for most of the time
>>74147047it's this guyhttps://www.deviantart.com/dr--worm/gallery
>>74146914I’ve got to imagine the officials wouldn’t allow a diplomat to just be left out like that. Which can only mean getting a piggy back ride on your snekgirl tour guide. They’d also see you as a walking infinite warmth hot water flask in the winter. Which has its own Benifits and drawbacks
>>74141144I mean, Hlondeth is a city of snake people. They're not lamias but they're pretty close.
>>74145688Hypothetical split and folding has bones could solve the swallowing part, if we're adding a snake tail changing some stuff under the skin isn't a big stretch.
>>74147052That's the fancy option. Budget/diy would be to just try crush old tires.
>>74147607But where did the tires come from?
>>74144566>Dammit, now you've given me an idea for matriarchical clans of lamias herding sheep and cattle across the hillsProblem here is that Sneks aren't suited for droving, the act of moving the herd.Slithering isn't great for long distance movement and leaves the Snek very vulnerable to accidental trampling.They'd want a type of animal husbandry that let's them stay in a single area, and might be based on fictional fauna and ecosystems.>>74144814>I expect this would lead to a race that is very conservitive and unwilling to go to war when they can defend land and prepare for attacks. They are more likely to do well in a defensive siege then in an offensive one. Trade and a way to settle disputes between famalies is likely going to be very important.Exactly!>>74144914>I'd imagine a society developed from a sedetary and socially conservative agricultural society would be more likely to also be financially conservative.I also feel they'd be environmentally conservative as well, since the continued existence of their sedentary agrarian civilization would be highly depending on sustainability.This heavy communal and naturalist bend means they'd ironically be considered Communist Hippies by "Modern American" standards.>>74145679>I honestly think they could just be warmblooded. I remember reading a theory that dinosaurs might not have been coldblooded, due to the way they reach their sizes at that speed; a warmblood metabolism would be needed there.We're fairly certain they were mostly warmblooded, where the larger they got the more they switched over to being coldblooded due to the advantages of gigantothermy.>>74145688>Sure, we might associate snakes with stealthiness but put a human on the end and it becomes an entirely different story, you get what I'm saying?They'd still be terrifying infiltrators though.
>>74146107"Darling, I'm hungryy!""You just ate a whole pig yesterday. That's enough for the week.""But I'm still hungry! Can I at least have a few chickens as a snack?""You're on a diet.""Pleeease?"*Sigh* "Fine. But only one."
>snek cityCheck out the steps, they've been worn out over ages of slithering.
>>74141144>Take lamias>give them the lore of tieflings>as in they are born from a certain demonic bloodline or because the mother or father slighted the demon and are cursed.>usually ostracized>must travel to keep people from reenacting the climax to beauty and the beast.Profit? I like that idea more than pastel colored skin and horns.
Hungry snek-girls are the best
>>74141144You know how Lamia is the mother of monsters in Greek Myth? Extrapolate that.Lamia are able to reproduce with anything. Because of this, many creatures like orcs, gnolls, manticores, and other nasty monsters seek them out to breed more of their kind (often breeding them to death, as Lamia rarely want to be host to non-lamia children). All races are instinctually driven towards them by pheremones, including beasts like Owlbears and Displacer beasts (though they just end up just killing them for food in the end, the pheremone isn't an aphrodisiac, just an attractant). Lamia are incapable of breeding their own race with most creatures -- one of the few exceptions to that are humans (who don't like them because they don't have sons, only lamia daughters).
>>74150887>You know how Lamia is the mother of monsters in Greek Myth?Actually that's Echidna. But Echidna was described as having the upper body of a nymph and the lower body of a snake (or dragon: it's the same word in ancient Greek), which makes her both the mother of monsters and the first monstergirl.The original Greek Lamia on the other had was just described having the lower body of a beast, but it wasn't specificied what kind of beast, which is why you have illustrations of her with a lion body as well as a snake one (in DnD lamias have lower bodies of lions, though IIRC there is a lamia matriarch monster with the snake body).
>>74148998>snake people>city has steps
>>74150887>>74151006Oh right. I need to touch up on my myths...Also, let's nix the pheremone bit. That's a little too far. Let's just say they have shit luck and leave it at that.
>>74150887In my setting, the traits of any race get passed down to their lamia daughters. Often these are very subtle (lamia fathered by aarakocra will have aquiline noses, and a few feathers intermingled with their hair and eyebrows will appear as they grow older, and those who are fathered by gargoyles fall victim to a sporadic petrification, which they go to great lengths to overcome}
>>74141144Every time I've had them I made them desert-dwelling. They're basically not!arabians.
>>74141421>storyshittingRead and ignored like all your tinder dates
>>74141144your premise is objectively wrong. They are monsters and should be encountered living solitary in the wilderness or dungeon.
>>74156560Please don't insult bottomless pits via association with him
>>74141144>worldbuilders always wave them off as living in caves or forests or some shitwhere the fuck else are you gonna find big snakes dumbass?
>>74144348that transition between snake and humanoid body fucking sucks
>>74159001The scales should begin below where the crease between the thigh and the hips are.
>>74160158Is that a paper mario font?
>>74151039If you look close, you can see the stairs have divots in them, perhaps from being worn down over time or perhaps intentionally carved. Suppose it was made with be-legged races in mind?
>>74145044what about those like, hand warmer pad things you keep in your pockets? what if there was like uh bigger those eh?
>>74145044>There's simply not enough time to light the fireplace and spend time basking, that would be precious hours that would be better spent sleeping.In a modern setting they'd probably have an electric bedwarmer, like a big version of the heat mats used on terrariums placed under the mattress, so they can warm up while sleeping.
>>74157451reported for assuming my gender
>>74161259>>74151039I doubt even the chubbiest humanoid snake would give a crap about a few stairs.
>>74162397The HD remake of Snake looks really impressive
>>74161259They probably moved in after the humans, or whoever lived there last, moved out. Probably because of the property values or something.