Exactly what it says on the tin. It's October 1987, and straight out of Marseille France Roland Pierre-Édouard blesses the world with his new game Warhammer 40,000. What would be the major differences/similarities between that and what we got in our timeline?
>>67616337-The IoM would be more Roman than Roman Catholic-It'd be quite a bit more sexual-Vehicles would play a far bigger role-The Tau would've existed from the outset and be a mix of negative American and negative German stereotypes with an Imperial Chinese veneer
>>67616337Less Blanche and Miller, more Druillet and Möebius.A lot more surreal in both art and fluff, less gothic too.
Aliens can be accepted into the IoM, but only after serving in the foreign chapter for a number of years.Chaos' navy is far far more powerful than the Imperiums.
>>67616576>-It'd be quite a bit more sexualHow could it possibly be more sexual?>>67616576>The Tau would've existed from the outset and be a mix of negative American and negative German stereotypes with an Imperial Chinese veneerHow do you figure?
>>67617345All marines are wearing high heels.
>>67616337They’d have gone bankrupt and the game would be dead.
>>67616576>Vehicles would play a far bigger roleHow come?
>>67617506Yeah, a cursory look at British versus French engineering would suggest the opposite to me. The Leman Russ would be about 4 feet tall with a 50cc engine perfectly suited to pootling about between vinyards.
>>67617345>How do you figure?Not him, but it's because they're French. Aside from themselves, they hate Germans, Americans, and Chinese more than anyone else.
>>67617506Because while military doctrine in France is different, the French absolutely LOVE their GOFAST.>>67617345>How could it possibly be more sexual?I'm not French, but they'd find a way.
>>67616337Kriegers would be the standard Imperial Guardsman aesthetic.
>>67618511>I'm not French, but they'd find a way.Well they've got their work cut out for them.
>>67619111Well first of all the aesthetic wouldn't be based on 2000 AD but Metal Hurlant instead.
>>67619205Whoops didn't mean to quote sorryAlso the creators would be from Lille, Arras, Metz or some other dreary northern industrial city instead of sunny Marseilles.
>>67619256As others mentioned it would be a lot more open to sexuality though.
I guess the Imperium would be a less gothic and a lot more ramshackle while the Imperial cult would also include many more Eastern themes and aesthetics.The corruption and enormous bureaucracy of the Adeptus Terra would stay and be a lot more expanded upon. More of the fluff would probably be about the Imperium dooming itself via bureaucratic malfunctions with even high level forces like Marines or the Inquisition bogged down by tons and tons of laws and regulations.
>>67617627Weird how they used to be eachothers greatest ally just a bit over hundred years ago and now they're frothing out of the mouth at eachother.I mean they're both cancerous and obnoxious people, makes sense they'd start getting on eachothers nerves.
Rogue traders would probably be a regularly updated and playable faction as well as major houses from different planets as sub factions
>>67619492>>67619461Yeah a lot of the aesthetics would have less skulls and more of Moebius' trademark 60s cosmonaut x 50s scifi x Ming China peasant look.
>>67616337Probably nobody would've heard of itCool French stuff rarely seems to catch on globally
>>67616731>Chaos' navy is far far more powerful than the Imperiums.They wouldn't even do this consciously but I could see this situation coming up very easily.
>>67619595Yeah sadly true. There are Euro games and companies that occasionally manage to pierce into the Anglophone sphere and worldwide from there though. Off the top of my head France had Rackham Games (big F) that were quite popular back in the day and Germany still has the Dark Eye going well.
>>67618511>the French absolutely LOVE their GOFAST>Speed Freeks become the main Ork units.
The iconic "Exterminateur 17" comic about mercenary androids would probably be a big influence as well.
I dunno. Warhammer is 30 years war. W40k is warhammer in spehss with Dredd and Dune, in, like 1:5 proportion.We can replace all the Dredd stuff, for it is British, but Space HRE and Dune must stay as foundation of the setting.What French equivalent of Dredd there is?I know Brits have a lot of famous social satire, like Gulliver, Flatland, 1984, Judge Dredd comics...What do French have to build a typical Imperial City upon?Will they make fun of protestants, like brithammer makes fun of catholics..?
>>67616337It'd be good
>>67616337I'd venture to agree that things would be less grimdark, but even more absurd and the conflicts even more futile and interminable, if that were possible. Also more lewd female soldiers, possibly including a chapter of fem-space marines just because.Individual worlds wouldn't just be forgeworld #9999, but have more independance and character. Orientals and african looking people also get more representation somewhere, because the french sure love their exotic faraway cultures.The real big question is how would the Emperor be portrayed if he was concieved by the french? I havent got a clue what they'd do with him.
>>67619763I've seen so many mini games and rpgs come out of non-british Europe that look cool and then fucking vanish like a fever dreamIts a damn shame
>>67620208Emperor is based on HRE/God-Emperor of Dune. He is not british invention. Why should french get a unique one?Well, implementation is flavoured, though. Britempra is King Arturish - forever stuck healing his mortal wound. Are there French legends about Big Good Royal Guy who is not quite dead and will return, maybe, some day?
>>67620443Charlemagne, Clovis, Mérovee, Phillipe Auguste, Childéric, Napoléon, Vercingétorix, Louis XIV are all famous and well-remembered kings and leaders, but there isnt a king in the same vein as Arthur (although some claim he was a french legend first). Perhaps the emprah would be a less powerful individual force and rely on his generals and administration more heavily. Hell, would something like the Horus Heresy have even gone down the way it did if the frogs were in charge?
>>67620443the merovingians are sometimes portrayed as descendants of jesus
>>67620634Horus Heresy would be calqued on the Napoleonic age. The Emperor emerges as a competent leader out of a tumultuous interstellar state during the Age of Strife and conquers the galaxy with his hand picked officers ("Primarchs") that rose from the ranks. He bites off more than he can chew by attempting a disastrous invasion of the Eye of Terror, prompting many subjugated grumbling planets to rebel. The Emperor is stranded as Lord of a small sector the secessionist powers gift him. However he exploits the fuckups of the new administration to triumphantly come back, bringing entire sectors under his fold simply by passing through them and many of his Primarchs sent to kill him rally to his armies. He confronts the rebels, traitors and secessionists in a final battle where his forces win but he himself is mortally wounded.
>>67620634Charlemagne!King of Franks, revivor of Roman Empire, which was to become HRE!He had 12 Peers, palatines/paladines! Those can work as Primarchs.Great candidate, anon!
>>676163371000% more sex.
>>67620981Not bad, but surely chaos has a hand in the whole mess. What are the dark gods doing while mankind is locked in civil war?
>>67620999Finally Fulgrim's time to shine!
IG or at least part of it, would keep their old aesthetics
>>67617345Honest and totally sincere answer: Fem-marines would be the norm.No, hear me out; France and Britain share the tradition of the Knight in Shining Armor, but King Arthur & Camelot (which the Emperor, Primarchs and the Imperium are based on) has been mostly claimed as a British thing. So what legendary knight does that leave the French?The world's only well-known female knight, of course: Joan of Arc.So, basically, Sisters of Battle and Space Marines would have swapped roles in Frenchhammer 40K. The in-universe elite fighting force heavily featured as the out-of-universe "face" of the game would be a force of genetically and cybernetically augmented female super(model) soldiers, whilst below them would be the "theoretically elite, in practice used as canon fodder" male space knights.
New Imperial Battlecry..."FLEEEEEEEEEE!"
>>67622400Are you forgetting where the term paladin originates from?
>>67622400>So what legendary knight does that leave the French?pierre terrail?>The world's only well-known female knight, of courseWhat? No. The french have an enormously long history of famous knights to draw from.
If 40K was French it would have more Waifus!
>>67620208Damn those anti ship spikes are fucking cool.
>>67622400You're behind the times.Currently Astolfo is a lot more popular than Jannu.
>>67620443Emps is definite;y british since he represents ideals of the enlightenment era alongside the right to rule of a monarch/emperor enshrined in natural law same as all british monarchs.
>>67616337INFINITYITS LITERALLY INFINITYTHIS GAME ALREADY EXISTS
Inject the Jodorowsky directly into my veins please
>>67616337deja vu this thread again
>>67622839Weebs and closet homos need not apply
Weapon skills across the board would absolutely suck, but movement away from combat would be INCREDIBLE.
>>67616337You need not guess.
France 40k, Italy 40k, someone plsI just want tall gothic cathedral ships with pastel colors and cracked ceramic armors repaired with gold and silver.
The French obsession with sexuality is inane, and it lies at the root of their liberal willingness to cede their entire country to black bulls who impregnate their women. It would be like a netflix adaptation.
>Ctrl + F>"Metabarons">0 matches/tg/, pls
>>67622888OP here. well slap my ass and call me the Emperor: https://infinitythegame.com/game/settingIt appears to have originated in Spain, but I'll accept it. >>67623101Good god, gimmie a quick rundown.
>>67625968Nazi goes to hell, turns into a vampire, has lots of kinky sex and fights weaponized dildosaurs. Not even joking, but it's really great, in a super edgy sort of way.
>>67625037This. Although a lot of grim sci-fi french comics could apply, their are a fucking ton.
>>67624970Reminder that burgers have no culture to defend to start with.
Everything is painted with NMMs.
>>67617627You're forgetting "les Rosbifs". Apart from their fellow Frogs (usually, but not exclusively, those from a different region), the one nationality they all hate is the English.Burgers, Krauts and Chinks are tertiary.
The new evil force resembles Marcon and the Yellow-Jackets.
>>67626282I bet the eldar would represent the Brits in French-hammer: >snooty>arrogant>irritatingly better than everyone else at navySo the Imperial navy would be regularly getting BTFO by the Eldar but the latter would get stomped in land battles.
>>67624970It's not an obsession with sexuality you nonce, it's a more relaxed view of it. You may call it perverted or sleazy, but it's merely that sex is less of a taboo issue in france than it is in america for example. Beauty is appreciated, sex can be fun, and if it feels good to gaze upon a shapely busom, than you can be damn sure the artist will add many a shapely busom to his works. If anything I feel like Japan has the worst view on sex. The amount of doujins featuring the worst of /d/ are innumerable, and unhealthy depictions of women and sex are rampant in almost every single one of the manga I've read. I mean, I jack it to them anyway, but point me to a single french comic where a little girl gets fucked by a pig, and I'll show you a dozen more japanese doujins of the same kind. It's no wonder their birthrates are so low, with sex viewed the way it is by many younger people there.
>>67620208I agree with this >The real big question is how would the Emperor be portrayed if he was concieved by the french?There'd probably be a lot less focus on what the living emperor did and more on his current state as a corpse. They'd wouldn't shy away from the fact that his existence is weird and grotesque. You'd have more stories about earth factions politicking and sub-culting around their corpse god. More stuff involving the Custodes.
>>67626282It's all just for bants with the english, no one actually hates them. Nowadays the biggest targets of criticism by your average frenchman are america (for being loud, militant and crazy) and china (for all their recent schemes and meddling in africa and europe). There are also the roma, or "gitans" as they're called but that's different because everybody hates them.
>>67622400That's... really not true.French history/folklore has a lot of legendary knights, it's not because you don't know them that they don't exist, and Joan of Arc was just one person (albeit a very important one and a saint).I think the Space Marines and the Sisters of Battle would be pretty much the same although the Sisters of Battle might get more love than they currently get from GW and Space Marine would be more about being noble and honorable than genetic improved and stuff.>>67622193Maybe but the Cadians wouldn't be the poster boys, this role would certainly be taken by Krieg (probably with a different name and/or slightly different aesthetic) because nothing screams more pointless deaths and gruesome battles to the french than WW1.>>67616337Also I'd say the Imperium might be slightly more tolerant, and having sex with hot alien babes would be much less taboo. As for the Emperor, his fedora-tier anti religious retardation seems pretty french to me already
>>67616337Your legs are ok.
>>67619461I doubt there would be an emperor, or atleast he would already be dead and the imperium is just a bureaucratic entity propping itself up
>>67619895Na it would be more like the white scars become the poster boys, but they are Japanese. French LOVE the Japanese (it very mutual actually)
>>67621109Read up on what Rothchild and the bank were doing while napoleon was in power. Chaos would essentially be them
>>67622400Na I imagine the space marines being based on the FFL, which is definitely all men. Plus France has always been more strict with its split between men and women, women were never allowed to be the monarch for example. Women would be non combative, or strictly religious... Like the Sob already are. Also>King Arthur & Camelot (which the Emperor, Primarchs and the Imperium are based on) has been mostly claimed as a British thingJust because the British claim it doesn't mean the French care about that claim at all.
>>67622400You realise lancelot isn't fucking British lmao
>>67626282They really don't give a shit about the brits, that's almost entirely one way. It's the German and Americans they are focused on (and I guess the Chinese but everyone can't stand them)
>>67627504Eldar already out match the imperium navy.I think the difference would be the eldar or whoever would control a whole lot of unimportant space on the edges of the galaxy
>>67624970You really are obsessed my dude.
>>67619763Is dark eye actually good?
>>67628760>The germanNaaah.The americans are not hated but resented for being such dicks about Iraq. Chinese are suspected. Hated is a personal thing so it depends on every person.
>>67623101I've read some of this, the most pure edgemetal art I've ever witnessed. It puts every 80's heavy metal album cover to shame and then masturbates with a chainsaw in unabashed victory.
>>67629202I've read just one issue and it's better by far than anything and everything Avatar Press ever published. Requiem is how you do edgy right.
>>67619290Got any more?
>>67619553>Moebius' trademark 60s cosmonaut x 50s scifi x Ming China peasant look.God yes, a much better and more futuristic look. >>67620080I think the setting background should be based on that of the Bonapartes. The Great Man himself would be dead in the aftermath of the Heresy, but he left behind an extended family so there's a number of ambitious wannabe successors running around the alt-Imperium just waiting for their main chance to overthrow the corrupt, rotting bureaucratic Republic and bring back the "good old days" of the Empire. Of course regardless of French version or British, in 40k one should always be careful what one wishes for.
>>67624970>It's another "amerimutt trying to blame everyone else for popularization of his fetishs" episode
>>67629202I just looked at this one thing and it looks cool as fuck. Then again, I'm a massive edgelord and love this kind of stuff. That's why I loved Warhammer in the first place.
>>67629760Reading it now, seems our of this world. Fair enough, I like it./tg/ tends to have good taste in comics. I discovered Glimmer Rats that way.
>>67616337The morale phase would define the game
>>67622839I want to say you're full of shit but suspicion is clawing at me.
>>67616337There would be a fascist, hypernationalist faction that are the good guys.
Honestly I think the early (rogue trader) stuff would be pretty similar.Metal Hurlant and 2000ad had at least a couple of ties in the early days (artists influencing each other and the like) and Franco-Belgian comic humour fits in just fine. Also they would have been able to draw from the same "big" scifi and fantasy sources.Even Chaos and the Moorcock influence could still be there, the Elric books were translated into french from the late 70s on.The real differences if any would most likely have come later when GW started to try to form 40k more into it's own thing.
>>67629380Yeah I got a few
>>67630583Also >>67630522 is correct. It would have more Moebius and less Dredd, but pretty similar in the end of the day.
>>67628841I never said hated, but they definitely care more about one uping Germans than the brits
>>67630913There's also this pretty intriguing picture I couldn't find much on. Maybe what Space Marines would look like?
Actual frog anon hear, gonna try to respond.> The EmperorHe would not be some sleepy skeleton on Terra, but an actual living guy. Maybe a mortal whose title will be passed to, someone else. Or maybe some immortal working in the shadow. If you really want ti keep him as a divine figure He would be some kind of awaitzd Messiah. French people really believe in «great mens» that change the course of history and that fall in right time to help.> GrimdarkProbably less grimdark, or another shade of grimdark. Crushing bureaucracy would be more a subject lf interest than religion. The Imperium would be Comitee of Public Safety turned up to eleven. Also Sector would have a number.> sexYes> EnnemiesLess chaos stuff and more Xenos. Alien have more place than eldritch space horror in French litterature.Oh, and civil unrest would be number 1 threat to the Empire. Obviously.
>>67631276>Oh, and civil unrest would be number 1 threat to the Empire. Obviously.Frog anon, why do frogs know no chill?
More :> ArmyAround that time in France great effort where made to turn the conscript army (a long lived tradition) into a professional one. In this context, space marines would probably not be an ancient caste of warrior soldier, but more a new weapon, great crusade style.> History : post revolution France built itself in opposition to the Ancien Regime, that was later demonized. In FrenchHammer 40k, Earlier history of Mankind would not have been forgotten, but altered and erased to suit the Imperial Truth.> Xenos :Alien species could be integratzd in the Empire, but more nominally than anything. They would probably still be confined in outer sector and probably considered 2nd class citizen.> Organization of the Imperium.Contrary to GB, France didn't populate a lot of it's colony (except algeria). Ould probably have repercussion : In a lot of worlds, human would be a minority amongst «integrated» alien. Damn now to play this.
>>67631360You don't get it, civil unrest IS the chill. A fun way to spend time on a WE.>>67631506I want to play this*Damn phoneposting.
One thing I'm getting from a lot of these pics, as opposed to 2000AD britstuff, a lot fewer drainpipe gunbarrels - I think warhammer frankthousand would be more lasers and rayguns
>>67631632This is also a feeling that i have. Also, more elegant antigrav vehicle, with round shape.
Some of the MH illustrations aren't too far away from the early Rogue Trader stuff.
>>67631827I'd wager real money Druillet spacemen were one of the early inspirations for the marines.
>>67631843They really do look like beakies. I guess Blanche knew his french stuff
>>67620981Rather than biting more than he could chew, he tried to settle for peace, but peace was never an option for chaos would never settle for a dominant Imperium.The narrative is that while Napoleon committed fatal mistakes, it was ultimately because the foreign powers wouldn't accept the peace that had been won through war that he had to make the wrong decisions.
>>67623101I desperatly want a 40k comic drawn by Ledroit.
>>67622400France and French medieval authors clearly claimed part of the Arthurian legend, and had a lot of their own legendary (and real) knights. Roland, Bayard, the knight of the green shield...Joan of Arc is the patron saint, but not the most famous warrior figure at all.
>>67628760We do give a shit about the Brits.We kind of hate them, same for the Germans.But it's all friendly banter, we're basically best enemies at this point.Americans, however? The brat better learn to stop running his mouth like he's hot shit.
>>67632002Spoiler alert: the vampire bimbo on the left get banged by the werewolf.
Not a lot of differences, desu. France and GB aren't that far away, and you can be sure every british scifi nerd read Metal Hurlant, while every french nerd read 2000AD. We have a couple examples itt.And besides, historical wargamers are mostly the same, no matter where they originate from. It wouldn't have been an essential difference. A french team could have come up with 40k, just like a british team could have come up with Confrontation or AT-43.Now, if we look at 40k as a game, not a setting, it was made to go with Citadel miniatures productions. The french would probably have used multiverses to cram every possible model in it (we really loved multiverses at the time), possibly at the expense of Chaos (horror tends to be less "federalized" in french works, too. I suspect it's because Lovecraft have the same impact).Other than that, the only major differences I see are a bigger japanese influence, mostly on the designs, and more new age crap. Seisen and Star Child are only brushing the surface of what '70s french scifi had. And therefore, if there were more women, they would be mostly priestesses or other supporting roles, not primarily action girls.Read Jodorowski works for a peek (I suggest Before Incal then Incal, and Metabarons can be read independantly. Also Techpriests if you really want a wtf ride). You will recognize a ton of elements also used in 40k.Still, pic is the Emperor in Incal. Siamese twins in a bubble, the imperfect result of a prophecy about an hermaphrodite god-emperor, starting with Louis XVII (infant son of Louis XVI, the decapitated one) as a resurrected ubermensh... It's too ridiculous to be explained, but you can read it for yourself here:https://rphv.net/books/Jodorowsky-graphic-novels/Metabarons/other%20comics/Metabarons_Univers_Guide.pdf>>67623101Pat Mills is british, man.>>67632000I can assure you that compared to how the brits care, the french give zero fucks. Just compare the news coverage on a couple sites.
>>67632130Honestly I like Jodorowsky's work but trying to understand everything that's going on leaves me exhausted.
>>67631360Litterally the most pessimistic people on Earth so we're always unsatisfied. It's 2 cultural thing.Add to that a State that has a great importance in people's life, when somethings changes it makes people uneasy."French love novelty but dislike change" is a very valid concept.
>>67632465Don't try to understand, just execute order.
>>67632495Some kind of déjà vu here.
>>67632473>Litterally the most pessimistic people on EarthWhat are English and Russians?
>>67632697My bad, not the most pessimistic apparently but close enough.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.economist.com/christmas-specials/2013/12/21/bleak-chicI'd Russians are resigned, for them life sucks and that's it. In truth it seems life is fucking shit in Russia.The English have that sort of phlegm, keep calm and carry on, that kind of stuff.We can have the best thing in the world and still find something to complain about. Never satisfied.
>>67632473Cynique, pleurnichard, râleur aussi, hein. Je vous trouverais bien plus agréable avec un peu plus de stoicism. >>67632697I've spent time in both france and england, and while the english do love a good bitch it's often light-hearted and with a resigned attitude. The french will eagerly bring up topics at dinner to have a more heated debate, in a less civil manner, and with the express purpose to harp on about how terrible things are. Can't make a comment about russians, but the ones i've met online are either quietly dispirited or angry.
>>67632920Cela va de soit. I don't claim to be an expert in my own culture however. A foreign eye is probably more likely to see it clearly.
>>67632920>Can't make a comment about russians, but the ones i've met online are either quietly dispirited or angry.No shit. They can get fined or arrested for shit-talking their government and its decisions
>>67632920Faguette here, can confirm most of this.I swear we can be good sometimes.
>>67632994>They can get fined or arrested for shit-talking their government and its decisionsNot really so different form the brits:https://www.thegoldwater.com/news/27387-UK-Woman-Arrested-for-Asking-Why-Muslims-Are-Being-Allowed-to-Break-the-Lawwow, they even deleted the youtube video.
>>67633686That's one thing I appreciate though, whenever I mention their tendancy to whinge, every single french person has agreed with me that they bitch too much. Your food is another thing I appreciate.
>>67632994>>67633744Here is the video Youtube has censored.https://www.bitchute.com/video/Nr3LyFopcESe/
>>67633936>waiting ferries in front of Dover harbor after Brexit, 2020 colorized.
>>67633819We might be arrogant as shit but we're cynical enough to realise we complain way too much. Doesn't mean we'll stop though.
>>67634104I can get why the french bleak outlook on everything would come up as arrogance to the british "my queen and country can do no wrong" mindset.
>>67616337No Space Marines.Space Foreign Legion instead.It's a shame no more settings have tried this stuff. Space Hoplites, Space Janissaries or Space Winged Hussars (and so on) would be rad.
>>67622400retardle gender ekwalitee is american shit
>>67634325The space marines would be called «Espatier»See : http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/astromilitary.php
>>67616337The Emperor Children are the good guys, the IoM are the bad guys.
Also, forget about cool name pseudo latin name such as «Adpetus Something». In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Acronym.
>>67635669Acronyms are great for absurdity though, if you stack enough of them.
Also we need to remember the political context, just like Warhammer 40k was a parody a Thatcher Britain (well, That what I heard) Froghammer 40k would have a lot to say about Mitterand.
>>67636504>Mitterand>The man who started the immigration basically open doors policiesWould be tasty to read
>>67616337>in le grim darkness of the future, there is only surrender
>>67631923Honestly, a lot of early Blanche stuff might as well have been Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant.French 40k is pretty much just Rogue Trader.
>>67636626Yes, he did this, but so much freaking more, I'm just gonna give some really juicy beet that would help with the setting : > Françafrique : Mitterand do is best to keep former colony under control through puppet dictator for the interest of private corporation. Also turned a blind eye in the beginning of Rwandese Genocide for some reasons.> Economy :Nationalize major Industry (because socialist), the state as no more money so he sell them again and establish an Politic of Economic Austerity.> Bomb the Rainbow Warrior.Just fucking lol.> InteriorForced to share power with the other party in his 2nd mandate.
This would probably be the default look of the Garde Impériale, I really like it, and it's a shame no official Regiment have a Foreign Legion look.
Guys, you're forgetting the most important thing: Auld Alliance... IN SPACE!
>it's an Americans pretend to know about other countries thread
>>67635669>implying the UK doesn't love its acronyms as much as France.There's actually a few fan translations of SM names into latin or greek, as they should follow the loi Toubon but don't have the same "cachet" in french:>Spationautes de la Première Fondation:>I. Skiangèles>II.>III. Basiléides>IV. Sidérostratiotes>V. Leucospiles>VI. Cosmolycons>VII. Basiléopugnes>VIII. Nyctodynastes>IX. Hémangèles>X. Sidérochires>XI.>XII. Oïkouménophages>XIII. Ultranautes (or Hypernautes)>XIV. Thanatophylaques>XV. Myriagénètes>XVI. Mélanolégion>XVII. Logophores>XVIII. Dracons>XIX. Coracophylaques>XX. Légion AlphaAnd for Chaos:>Polémapoplectes>Phonophores>Loïmonautes>MantéïonautesHad a latin one, but can't find it.We do have a couple cool translations on gear, too.>>67636504A couple old studio members have confirmed that political context is entirely in the eye of the beholder, as for themselves they were trying to get away as far as possible from it by playing rpgs and wargames.
I just remembered Empire Galactique (I don't think you guys need a translation on this one)It's a french rpg from 1984; one of the first, and it was published by a big editor as a bigass novel hardcover format. Quite unusual.It has a lot of elements in common with 40k, that were floating in the air at the time.>federal government ala IoM, the Emperor acts mostly as an arbitrator between local rulers (officially).>6 major guilds sharing the power and trying to backstab each other (The six churchs, the army, the hanseatic merchants, the navyborg (navigator cyborgs, the tekno lodge)>FTL is done by creating an energy bubble around the ship and entering a parallel dimension full of weird geometry and dangers (no daemons, tho)>lots of alien races, mostly under imperial protectorate, while the other have their own empires at the frontier>psy powers>biotech, nanotech and comms are not very evolved, cloning and nuclear weapons are forbidden due to some historical catastrophes.>robots follow Asimov's laws.And the art is by motherfucking Manchu!All books and fluff available here: https://sites.google.com/site/empiregalact/Frankly, it's a dope setting.>>67637541As usual on the net. At least it's entertaining.I got my popcorn.
>>67638044RIP Francois Nedelec.An old school gamemaker, very knowledgeable in history, mythology and all sorts of weird medieval games and esoteric stuff.
>>67638044looks fucking dope, saving all of it considering the last activity dates from 2013 and it's a miracle the site is still active
>>67632130>how the brits careHowling at everything which they think a mistake and blowing up every bad news is not caring, Anon.
>>67633998>Brexit actually happensAnon, I...
>>67616337All the lewd fan art wouldn’t exist because it would be official art.
>>67638749As if it has ever stopped anyone. We've got fan porn of Druuna, and she get railed every two issues in her own series.
>>67638749Lewd official art would only encourage more lewds anon, a glorious cycle of sexy french spess girls and boys.
>>67635713>>67635669Acronyms can be a great source of humor if the setting is tongue in cheek enough. Reminds me of an anecdote. In early 80s Ljubljana the KTMV was a legendary inside joke amongst some workers. Because of the way the Yugoslav market socialist economy worked at the time the ideologically conscious worker was expected to participate in many committees and councils. This bureaucracy became a self perpetuating nightmare with loads of redundant committees without any actual powers that just existed to allow savvy workers to infact skip any work whatsoever. The most important of course were those organised by the League of Communists, usually recognised by having a K(imunost) letter at the start at the acronym (which is how these were always referred to). Enter a group of dangerously subversive workers trying to get out of work and sticking it to party officials. They invented the infamous KTMV (standing for Kar Tako Malo Ven - Going Outside For a Bit - No Reason) which became an excuse to go out for coffee and do nothing. Due to the omnoius K at the start, nobody actually dared to ask where the workers were going for a few years, until the thing got too popular and the authorities caught on.I know it's pretty long winded but I just remembered it and I thought it was apretty fun anecdote. Have some Bilal.
>>67640466that's pretty funny
>>67638044This is dope, thanks for sharing. Is this still alive and kicking amongst tabletop players in france?
>>67632002I blame Claudia (yes her on the bottom left) for literally every fetish I have.
>>67641036I heard about a EG campaign in Lyon a couple of years ago, so I guess it's still kicking
>>67616337All codex only available in French.
>>67631944>E.Y.E comic drawn by Ledroit
>>67642332stop anon you can't do that to my heart
>>67630214>a fascist, hypernationalist factionThat's the Imperium. Of course they're not the good guys, just the not-as-bad guys.
>>67636504Believe it or not, I think 80's France would still be influenced by De Gaulle and may 1968 instead of Mitterrand.Also, the man who started the real immigration politics was his successor, Chirac, not to mention a lot of the immigrants came after the Algerian war
>>67637541As a French I've been surprised that most of the opinions here have been pretty informed and generally respectful of the French spirit, though of course you can still feel the anglophone bias.I'm quite thankful for this thread.
>>67637630Man I love the french-ified names so much.Thanks for doing this, I'll definitely re-use it later.
>>67643273if you're talking about the latter part of the beginning of the thread, sure
This what I love you guys on tg? Talk about what if x made a y in a forum and all you get are stereotypes and jokes. Here we see the old comics and media being dusted off and being used as the foundation and inspirationMakes me want to ask a serious question Japanese Pop culture and how would it effect 40k because 80's pop culture in Japan was metal as fuck
>>67616337It would not have blown up as big as it did thanks to the preponderance of English amongst people outside of France with disposable time and income in the 1980’s and 90’s as well as the cultural preponderance of English on the internet at the same time.
>>67620443Some would argue that King Arthur's eternal wound-healing is based in Charlemagne being the King under the Mountain, biding his time to return. I'd say he'd be somewhere, but lost, and nobody really knows where he is?
>>67643455If you don't make a separate "What if 40k was an 80s Japanese production" than I will. Because that's a great question. >>67643510>It would not have blown up as big as it did thanks to the preponderance of English amongst people outside of FranceWouldn't they just print translations? It just makes good business sense.
>>67638740As an American I am very worried about the UK.It feels like being worried about my self destructive mother. At this point I’ve finally accepted there’s no saving her, but it still hurts and I still worry and that also hurts.
>>67643563That really depends on who is publishing it. Games Workshop in the past made legendarily bad business and policy decisions in this timeline, so I could see a publisher in France deciding to not translate it into English.
>>67643572>As an American I am very worried about the UKdon'twhile the UK is filled with incompetent retards, they are also very resilient. Even if they get anally devastated over Brexit by every other country their people will at least be mostly fine
>>67632920>The french will eagerly bring up topics at dinner to have a more heated debate, in a less civil manner, and with the express purpose to harp on about how terrible things are.As an American, I initialy found the Frogmen extremely aggressive. But after a few years spent in Paris I have come to see this as some form of crude honesty I can appreciate. French people don't pretend to like you and therefore don't expect you to pretend anything in return. If you make them happy for some reason, they will thank you, pay you some beer, and that's all. They may sincerely appreciate you after that, but they won't call you a "friend" or a "buddy" either.The same could be said about the way the French debate, IMO. It never felt to me that they actively wanted to turn a conversation into a bitching contest, it simply came out because nobody actively tried to avoid sensitive topics. It's more about collectively venting fustration than having a proper debate, and I must admit it often felt quite satisfying.It's quite hard to explain and I wonder if the baguettefags here will agree, but that's how I feel when dealing with French people.
>>67643613See that should be part of the change: the French publisher knows his shit business-wise so the product really manages to take off until it becomes so popular internationally that The Maus starts eyeing it.
>>67643273France's influence on sci-fi has been quite important, especially when it comes to graphic arts. Metal Hurlant, stuff from Moebius, Jodorowski or Bilal, comics like Valerian et Laureline, etc have all inspired many artists worldwide. The plebs often don't know that but many people here on /tg/ do and will acknowledge the role the froggies played, no matter what their opinion about France may be.
It would be hailed as a subversive masterpiece of culture, like how the Incal or the Metabarons gets treat on /co/.It wouldn't be translated until Asmodee did it, but fan-translation would proliferate to add to Traveller and Star Wars games, which would be the dominant form of scifi on /tg/.
I know it's not the topic of the thread, but since we are talking about French comic strips I'll ask anyway. When I was a boy we had a French au pair girl at home. She was reading a series of scifi comics about a young female human working with aliens, and I harassed her so much that she read me some passages. The story dealt with stuff like genocides and terrorism I couldn't really understand at the time, and this whole thread made me want to give it a try if there is an English translation available.Any idea of what comic book it may be?
>>67616337Based EYEposterbut yeah that pretty much covers it
>>67638044OP here, thanks for this.
>>67624970>The French obsession with sexuality is inaneNope, that's called "familiarity" and "education" anon. And it begins before you start jerking off if your parents care a little about yout mental health. Things like pics related allow young boys to progressively discover what a woman look like before puberty turn them into mindless wanking machines. Bonus points if the sexy female involved is actually a nice character you will remember for other facets than her voluptuous body. Then you grow up, discover full sex and all the crazy things it implies, yet you don't forget that even a bared woman is more than a walking vagina for your frustrated dick.You see? It's not that hard.
>>67645989This is why I believe Frenchhammer would depict Slaanesh in a much more nuanced fashion than just 'hurr tiddies and drugs' the way he is now.
>>67644567Is it Sillage?
>>67620999>I long for genestealer ass
>>67643235They'd definitely include a De Gaulle-esque figure as a general or leader. As another anon said, he's considered one of the 'grands hommes' of history that helped save France during and after ww2
>>67648629>De GaulleReminder that he had the hips of a trap
>>67649074Would you fuck De Gaulle anon?
>>67628831It's a very german game, meaning there's lot's of rules and the gemeworld is described thoroughly and detailed. But if you bring a certain degree of autism it's highly enjoyable.
>>67643802I do agree on that.On a related note, this article was pretty spot on imo.http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20181104-why-the-french-dont-show-excitement
>>67648629>De Gaulle>Posts PétainAnon what are you doing?
>>67648629Wouldn't the moral opposition of Pétain-like and a De Gaulle-like character be a good substitute for the Horus Heresy ?> Sure, Space Pétain signed peace with the enemy of the Empire and work with them. But his allegiance for the Empire didn't change. He just think it's the best thing to do for the well being of the citizens."I addressed the enemy tonight to ask him whether he is ready to search with us, between soldiers, after the struggle and in honor, the means to put an end to hostilities."Let all the Citizens group around the government that I preside over these hardships and silence their anguish to listen only to their faith in the destiny of the Fatherland." > Sure, space De Gaulle join the former enemies and circonstance allies of the Empire, and plan with them an invasion and encourage rebellion against the Régime, but he do this because he think this is for the better of the Empire."Honor, Common sense and the best interest of the Fatherland, order all the free Citizen to continue the fight wherever they are and however they can."
>>67646607Not him, but Sillage kinda sucks. The first books are quite alright, thereafter the authors' brains are invaded by their cocks.
>>67644519>Metabarons gets treat on /co/this I must see
>>67617345>How could it possibly be more sexual?It's not really sexual at all, so it'd be pretty easy.
>>67643204But the Imperium isn't at all Fascist or nationalistic, anon. It's literally a feudal empire that forcibly integrate foreign nations by the planet.
>>67630681I can kinda believe that. The French bitch a lot about pretty much anything and are usually as organised as kittens with ADHD, but as far as I can tell Germans used to be the nation they had the least affection for. That said, I can see the USA and China (and maybe the Saudis) growing more unpopular lately
>>67631276>Oh, and civil unrest would be number 1 threat to the Empire. Obviously.I mean, it's already pretty close, especially if you count Chaos and Genestealer cult insurrections. It's just what the nasty, grueling slogs and purges tend to be relegated to the background.
>>67649838well, at least until very recently (didn't check if they are still going at it) a solid portion of the population was actually actively protesting every week and blocking/slowing down traffic after the government did some retarded shit in relation to oil prices. This has happened for more than six months at this point, every week, and that is against the government and a lot of the population who are actively tired of their bitchingIf that's not dedication I don't know what is
>>67649752The empire has destroyed planets and civilizations for not being of the agreeable dogma, anon. It's not nationalistic as much as it species-istic, but when it comes to dicking over your fellow man and subjugating him for the glory of the Leader, it comes a heck of a lot further than feudalism. "To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times."
I have seen countless posts in this thread saying the art would be less gothic.I don't really understand why.I mean, have you ever looked at a french cathedrale or fortress of the low middle age and onward?We invented Gothism !https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SugerHere is Abbe "I started Gothism" Suger, also responsible for the Lys Flower in french royal armory.And who was one of the teacher and top councellor of the french king of the time along with Saint Bernard "I started the Templars" de Clairvaux.
>>67646216Nah, Slaanesh would still be as absolutely horrible a monster as it is in canon, the writers would just make more excuses for it.
>>67649400Fuck me my bad, didnt even notice. Here we go.
>>67650093Yes but we aren't talking about what if the entire nation of France suddenly became one whole being and its entire culture was poured into a Froghammer 40k. We're talking about a what if where a bunch of nerds in 1987 Metz come up with a scifi tabletop game.The real 40k partially started out as GW making minis for various partnered franchises out of 2000 AD like Judge Dredd, and this is where a lot of the early 40k inspiration came from. Now I'm not dissing 2000 AD but the art style wasn't the most interesting and it had a tendency for very blocky designs, GW took that slapped gothic architecture on it over time and that's how 40k proper was born.In this alternate French timeline GW would be making miniatures for series in Metal Hurlant or Fluide Glacial. Those often had much more developed aesthetics, specially the Moebius, Druillet and Bilal work. Imagine miniatures of Ära ach or Exterminateur 17. Sure you can give them a gothic spin later on, but they already have a very present new age aesthetic, which will leave more of an influence to 40k than Dredd's generic blocky superhero style.
>>67622400> (which the Emperor, Primarchs and the Imperium are based on) Fuck me, i hadn't noticed it before.
>>67650918>which will leave more of an influence to 40k than Dredd's generic blocky superhero style.Which fits the limitations of miniature casting and use perfectly. Also, have you ever seen a space marine?
>>67622400>So what legendary knight does that leave the French?Their self insert Lancelot Du Lac.>>67628706>Just because the British claim it doesn't mean the French care about that claim at all.The stories are set in England and Arthur is the king of England you fucking flid.
>>67617589This made me laugh until I had tears in my eyes, thanks Anon
>>67651041According to some versions of the legend it is set in French Brittany. In any case Arthur was king of the Britons, not king of England which didn’t exist yet, and the Britons covered most of southern England, Wales and Northwestern France. Obviously in the end Arthur was far more so appropriated by the English, but that was during the Victorian era. In the Middle-Ages the Arthurian legends were more popular in France as morality plays.
>>67646607Exactly, thanks anon!
>>67645989Here in the states our parents basically say "let the school system take care of it" and leave it at that.
>>67632012That's all I ask for.
>>67616337I forgot what game the art is from but it's dope. It's a little hard to get into but it's a lot of fun once you start beating shit up.
>>67620073>>67620104this comic loops dope as fuck
>>67651176In France, we tend to regroup Arthurian Legend in what we call the "Matter of Britain", but there is also the "Matter of Rome" (A medieval poetic interpretation of Greek Mythology and Roman History), and, more importantly (for us) the Matter of France.The Matter of France can be separated in 3 part, each one talking a specific kind of hero : > La Geste du roiCharlemagne and his Paladins kick ass and conquer a vast Empire while being chivalrous and shit. The most famous poem is the Song of Roland, telling the story of how Charlemagne nephew die in battle.> La Geste de Montglane : Focus on younger-sons knight (while La Chanson de Roland focused on heir), they seek glory and shit and land through combat during the reign of a weak kind named Louis that can't get shit done.> La Geste de Doon de Mayence : A bunch of angry baron go into rebellion because the King is an ass.So yeah, I guess we can re-write another Imperium history with the Matter of France.
>>67649380>"American Matt Jenner lived in France for several years and is bilingual. For him, it is not necessarily a matter of the French not being able to express their excitement, but rather that English speakers – and Americans in particular – tend to go overboard. The American public, he says, has been trained “to have a fake, almost cartoonish view on life, in which superficial excitement and false happiness are the norm.” By comparison, he notes, in France, “excitement is typically shown only when it is truly meant.”Thank you, that's EXACTLY what I meant.
>>67619256>or some other dreary northern industrial city Le Nord...
>>67620991>reviver of the roman empireWhy do people always forget Byzantium, the citizens of which called themselves roman up until the 1800's?
>>67651945*former citizens after the turks
>>67651957>>67651945Are you just going to pretend Mehmet II and his succesors weren't rightfully crowned as Qayser-i Rûmby the Eastern Orthodox Church?
>>67651041>french self-insert chad literally cucks Arthur>this is canon now and the anglos can't do anything about it lmao
>>67652007He's more legitimate than the antichrist-crowned frog then.
>>67620991Franks are still a german tribe, not a bunch of celts who swallowed a lation dictionary
>>67649838>but as far as I can tell Germans used to be the nation they had the least affection forThat really became a thing after 1870. We are mostly fine with Germans since WW2 because French education heavily emphasizes on the responsibility of the Nazi ideology. Same for WW1, the Germans are much less resented that the horrors of the war itself or even our own generals with their "fix bayonets, charge!" tactics.If anything, I feel like the rivality with England is more rooted within French culture. As much as we like - and even envy - many aspects of the British culture, Brits are still widely perceived as polite, well-mannered but cunning snakes who will backstab you the moment it proves useful to them.Burgers are another different thing. As >>67643802 and >>67649380 said, communication is biased to begin with since Americans often sound superficial and "fake" to us, even if we know they just want to be nice guys. Their shameless patriotism is also something that exasperates us, mostly because both WW1 and WW2 teached us how badly a government and a country can fuck up. There is no real bad blood between us though, it's more about cultural differences than sheer enmity.Chinese are feared for their economical imperialism and their tendency to buy everything including monuments, wine estates, etc. Otherwise we don't feel much hostility toward them. So I'd say the Brits are more akin to a traditional enemy/rival while the USA are more of a cultural counter-model, though France shares many similarities with both of them.
>>67652286>polite, well-mannered but cunning snakes who will backstab youP E R F I D E A L B I O N
What would be a good YouTube channels to do a video about the Battle of the Chesapeake?
>>67650516Anon pls stop
>>67651601EYE Divine Cybermancy
>>67651677I think pic related summarises it pretty well.When I started studying in the UK, my friends thought I was always non-plussed, whereas me saying "Hey, not bad!" basically means I'm impressed. Once we got past that conversion chart, the language barrier was significantly lowered in terms of appreciation of things.
>>67617476This, if only because French labor laws go FULL RETARD once you have more than 50 employees. That's the one upside of being a Francophile: you learn to deal with disappointment.
>>67616677A thousand times this.
>>67631958>Joan of Arc is the patron saint>theOne of ten, my dude. She shares that distinguishment with Saint Louis, Saint Denis, Saint Martin and a few others I can't be bothered to remember. /ourguy/ Saint Louis used to be the "main" one until the French Revolution, when Napoopan effectively revived Jeanne d'Arc. The shift from "saintly king" to "peasant girl who turned the tide" should be self-evident.
>french interbellum tanks as source of inspiration for Imperium vehiclesOh shit, that would be so fucking awesome.
>>67654330Aren't they already that?
>>67619492this is honestly such a fantastic aestheticit blows my mind everytime
>>67654350Unfortunately, not anymore.
>>67622400It's more likely that SoB and other branches of imperial military would be more relevant. Remember that the templar warrior aestethic of marines didn't begin until 2nd-3rd edition era.
>>67616337We get Vampire Knight Requiem and French bande dessinee style humour instead of Judge Dredd and 2000AD style humour.
>>67649994Theocratic junta is not fascism.If you label all non-democratic systems as fascist (or nazi), it loses all meaning in the end.>>67640466Pretty apropriate too, Bilal enjoys putting acronyms and semi-realistic organizations in his book (especially weird corporations or terrorist cells). And he's originally yugoslavian, too.Too bad his Legends of Today with Christin bring the worst of both, I usually enjoy their sci-fi work.>>67653107Nigga she was beatified in 1909. Her cult started with Michelet during the July Monarchy as a way to shit on king Louis-Phillipe and the Church. Stage two was part of the national revenge mythos post 1870 war. Both Napoleons had absolutely jack shit to do with her. >>67643688It might be the end of the Union in a few decades. It's only one of the possible outcomes, but it would have been unthinkable four years ago.>>67657692Requiem's writer is british...
>>67657741>Requiem's writer is british...Yes, and?
>>67652355Noice. I had never seen that one.Check Baïonette aux Crayons, it's a book about ww1 propaganda on both sides. Sadly not complete, as it would be a full series otherwise, but a nice dive into the subject nonetheless.>>67651627Also of note, the Matter of Britain is tied to the Breton folklore, celts that settled in french britanny around the 3rd century after the Angles and the Saxons invaded the british isles.Which explains why we share it with the brits. I'm afraid that the nuances between the french version and the english ones have been completely lost as the legend was retold, mixed, and shared between countries during the middle ages.>>67650371I think anon meant that the other aspects of excess like Greed, Envy, Glutonny and OCD would be explored more.
>>67616337The game would have went full on grimdarkInstead of starting off with with a sort of over the top whacky aesthetic. With a somewhat coherent story line. The french would have had a very incoherent storylinebut the emphasis would be on the soul crushing aspect of existential absurdity that the end of the universe physical and spiritual and evrrything that isnt dead probably wants to kill you, rather than a british reaction of punk nihilistic amusement . I.e. french warhammer would just be 8th edition warhammer instead of the precisous gem that is rogue trader.
>>67657776>If that british game was made by the french, it would ressemble that one british comic instead of ressembling that other british comic (that's written by the same author).>If the Horus Heresy was written by the french, it would look like Milton's History of Britain instead of Paradise Lost.Mind to explain your train of thought?
>>67658126Sure.The game would be influenced by the material available for the creators to read. Who wrote it doesn't matter; that it's in circulation in their language is what matters.I mean, VKR is much newer than GeeDubs, but I wasn't thinking very hard when I originally answered.
>>67637009Now I want to see some kind of Rainbow warrior affair>>67644140 on 40k
>>67659159Adepta Sororitas are now the secret service.Quite close to how they were originally portrayed in RT.And yes, she's terminating a Rainbow Warrior marine for added subtext.
>>67654330IT IS THE BEHNBLAA... wait no, that's a stormhammer.
>>67657950What's your basis for this grimdark claim? Surreal, absurd, tragic are all typical of the french, but for some reason I feel froghammer 40k would be a slightly more pleasant universe to live in. If only for the inevitable hot alien pusy.