What kind of religious beliefs will people hold in the future? I'm curious what new religions might conceivably become popular for the sake of sci-fi settings.
>>66727157Near future or far future?
there's gonna be some luddite treehugger-paganism when the singularity happens for sure
Trump will be worshipped as the second coming.
>>66727157sci-fi or the real future?real future it will be Rose of the World religion>>66729094it will include tree hugging and interaction with nature spiritsand then there will be Antichrist and religious reforms, then it will be worship of Great Tormentor Gisturg and the Great Harlot Fokermamore info there:http://rozamira.org/rm/htm/rm12-4.htmreadable with browser auto-translation, google chrome one works really well with this text
>>66729162and then there will be Second Comingand whatever religion there will be when Christ, all ascended people, angels and other mighty entities of Light go from heavens to earth and back or shine clearly from the above dimensions
>>66727157Do you want me to brew up a plausibly real religion or just tip my fedora and say that apart from 40k shit happening the world will eventually drop all pretense of believing in some faulty higher power that explains shit we don't understand?
>>66727157Neo-Amish religious cult that keep technology locked in the year 1959. A few of them use limited amounts of futuristic defense systems and replicators to keep themselves well armed, defended, and comfy. It's not uncommon to have a family sit around a black and white TV and watch the latest news report on how those Godless Neo Reds have been making aggressive moves. A father might take time after Sunday Worship to train with laser rifles with his militia buddies. Maybe there's enough future tech involved to do some cool raygun gothic stuff. Of course, all in the name of living life as The Lord intended.
It might depend on longevity or if immortality is a thing or not. A species that would be immortal or is functionally immortal wouldn't have religion. That being said, I wonder how the Mecca rule for Islam works in a sci-fi setting? Would they have to travel to Mecca or would it be acceptable just to pray in the general direction of Mecca?
Okay here is a really simple one:You get a memory implant, that acts like a thought echo for what it contains.You add in the downloaded brain of some kind of saint(CEO, actual saint of some religion, gurus, etc)You change the implant every 5-10 years to experience the echoes of a different saint.Its essentially ancestor worship on steroids.
>>66727157Christianity, I assume.
>>66727157Science will remove all mystery and irrevocably disprove creationism, but the existential horror will be too much to bare, so we will engineer a cybernetic pantheon of AI gods to rule over us that will be feverently worshipped and sacrificed to by a willing humanity.
>>66729352>Science will remove all mystery and irrevocably disprove creationismIt's already been completely and totally disproved though.
>>66729265Sounds cozy AF. >>66727157
>>66727157I did a lot of thinking about this topic for my own settings, so let me share some insight:There is no stock standard answer and anyone who gives you a stock standard answer have given you something that won't fit what you are working for. To answer your question you have to understand the reasons why religions come into being in the first place. The first reason that religious beliefs solidify is in response to difficult situations and uncertainty. This can be physical dangers, like the rigors of space travel and the high mortality rate of early space colonies, or it can be spiritual in nature with questions not satisfactorily answered by the current religions (if I die on Mars, do I get reincarnated on Mars or do I get Reincarnated on Earth? If I die in between planets, what then? Etc.) People look for answers when they need stability, and people turn to religion to provide those answers for them in an convenient and easy to understand package. Thats how bottom-up religions manifest. Top down religions manifest when a power structure has a narrative they specifically want to enforce, and the religion is a tool to do so. These are the cases of state sponsored religions and the like, where the religion is forced upon a population as a kind of indoctrination until it takes root and becomes self sustaining. Christianity did this a lot throughout the ages, but they were hardly unique in this tactic. Such a religion can be expected to implicitly support the divine right to rule of whoever it is that is currently in power and pushing for it, though its entirely possible that the one in charge is simply a zealot and they are acting out of faith rather than cynical self interest. (cont)
>>66729352>so we will engineer a cybernetic pantheon of AI gods to rule over us that will be feverently worshipped and sacrificed to by a willing humanity.Nigga that's dumb.
>>66727157With the internet, you'll probably see the 19-20th century protestant fracturing on steroids. Thousands and thousands of micro cults. Because of the way information is archived, you may have really weird religious traditions too. Like cults that only have one or two worshipers every other decade as someone stumbles across an archived youtube rant and thinks it's the bees knees.
>>66729209>>66729162wtf are you stewart swerdlow or something?
>>66729378>>66729421Oh ye of little faith.
>>66729405So, as you can see, neither of these describes specific religious beliefs, just the conditions that tend to result in new religions. Because of this, we cant tell you what new religions will happen in a scifi setting, because what religions will manifest are directly dependent on the history and details of that setting. What groups found themselves looking for answers in a time of uncertainty and stress, and what would a comforting answer to their dilemma look like? The answer to their problem has to be palatable enough to take hold and salve their crises, but also be applicable enough to spread beyond local cult status and thrive on the larger scene.What governments or other power structures exist in your setting, and who has enough cultural control to enforce a top-down religion on a population? What sort of religion would benefit the ones at the top of that power structure? And how do they sell that message to a population to internalize it as their own belief?What are your people worshiping FOR is largely a more important question to answer than just 'whats the name of [local space god]'. Existential questions like the nature of death, what defines morality, or the ultimate meaning of life are pretty common buttons you have to push here in order to achieve satisfaction. All of this is going to hold equally true in any setting, scifi or otherwise. Scifi settings will just have different stressors and different questions that need answering. Find the ones that the people of your story would care about the most, and you will find your religions not far behind.
>>66729352>we will engineer the AIAI are smart enough to mindfuck themselves into their own religions. Humanity's role will be shilling ourselves into interpreting it for them.
Christianityplus its very flexible. You can have any type of society ranging from "God is love, lets live in peace and friendship" to constantly waging extermination and subjugation wars on aliens 40k style. Sometimes having both at the same time (with first one about humans and second about xenos)
>>66727157Probably cults of personality based around "influences" like how mass shooters get inspired by various talking head pundits and fans of dipshits like Pewdiepie form massive marches and graffiti campaigns in real life over a dumb feud with an Indian music label already IRL.Imagine followers of different instagram thots doing drive-bys on each other in the hopes of getting a shout-out in their favs next video because they've completely fried their brain from the social isolation and echo-chambers that are already becoming the norm. And it's be really easy for these le trend leaders to do it on purpose with a spiritual element. Think of someone like Jordon Peterson but with a billion followers who take over entire countries and hailing Kek or whatever he was pushing. And corporations doing it for marketing purposes like how people unironically cheer on the fucking Wendy's twitter account as if a fast food mascot is a real person.
>>66729557And we’ll tell the AIs to rule us. Maybe not in so many words.
>>66729522>>66729405you know it wrongreligions shape everything else more then vice-versa, at least at the moment of the conception of religionthere are no societal conditions that caused creation of religionstheir spread and influencing the politics and later evolution/devolution is another matter, what you said applies to these
>>66727157>What kind of religious beliefs will people hold in the future?Singularitarianism
>>66729378If true, then why is there something instead of nothing everywhere? Stuff doesn’t pop out of nothing.
>>66730114But what religious beliefs will people hold after the singularity?
>>66729797>there are no societal conditions that caused creation of religionsPerhaps it would be more accurate to say that these are the conditions that make a population more open to a new religion taking hold? After all, if your populace already has all of their spiritual/religious needs met by their current faith, odds are they won't be open to whatever new beliefs your local demagogue is trying to espouse.There generally needs to be something that the new religion provides that the old religion doesn't to facilitate it out-competing the old religion.
>>66730265Probably be similar to now. People will just have political beliefs that they say are more than just political, they are so “right” they’re a religion. Their rightness on an issue is what gives them authority over others. Kind of how religions already are.
>>66730265By that point, only lifelong students of very specific technology will be able to explain or interpret it for the masses, so the IT guy who comes to debug your sentient apartment complex might as well be a priest coming to exorcise demons from a haunted house.
>>66727157The same religions as before unless :-the apocalypse happens-we meet more advanced aliens, they have a religion, and they're interested to convert us japan-style
>>66729162>>66729209Interesting. The Bibilical apocalypse with Spaceships, Tanshumanism, AI and Aliens. It would be a neat setting. Something like DOOM on a larger scale.
>Birthrates among highly educated, well off atheists are generally low.>Birthrates among US citizens as a whole are at the moment below replacement level.>Similar numbers in most western countries, at or below replacement numbers.>Amish population is estimated to double every generation.>Muslim fertility is likewise generally high.I find the Amish interesting because they're broadly capable of taking on technical tasks, they just choose not to. There are Amish workshops for instance where they do woodwork with pneumatic tools instead of power tools to get around prohibitions on technology. And they lose some young members every year to the general culture because they send them out to experience the wide world to make sure they're not going to defect later when they have kids.So we have this Protestant religion that is doctrinally pretty similar to most mainstream churches, it's just that they have that very visible and notable ban on technology that sets them apart. And their numbers are growing. And yes, they have the low tech thing going on, but if they ever have to abandon it they have the IQ and the basic literacy to start picking up more technical skills in a generation. (And for some things like gunsmithing and reloading ammo, if they were to set aside their pacifism, almost immediately.)And we have muslim populations that in most circumstances are growing.And we have western populations declining.Now there certainly are a lot of things that can disrupt any of those trends, but I'm not trying to be /pol/ here I'm trying to do sci fi. So let's say those trends continue out indefinitely.The future is a contest between Communist/Confucian China, several varieties of Islam variously competing and cooperating, and Protestant Christianity championed by the Space Amish.And throw in voodoo and African Catholicism if you're sticking to earth, but I don't expect those societies to have their own space programs or colonization efforts.
>>66731471>Muslim fertility is likewise generally high.Muslim fertility is actually falling in places like Saudi Arabia where education and prosperity is on the rise. The general rule is more education and wealth = less religiosity and birthrates. Much of the world is still poor, but even Africa will eventually reach 1st world status with time.
>>66730374Okay. I never "got" religion to begin with, but this is a whole other level of wtf.>>66731362... you mean Halo?>>66731471>Hey! Amish guy! I mock you with my ice-cream cone!Honestly, if I could start over... I envy the sheer simplicity of their way of life. From what I've read and seen, they seem like genuinely content and decent people. Any culture which eschews things like social media and reality TV, and does quality work deliberately and by hand, has to be a big improvement on the smartphone-addicted, binge-watching rat race, with their fast fashion, semi-disposable Swedish Modern furniture, and "influencers" who make vast amounts of money despite refusing to get an actual job.For Space Amish, see: The Starlost.
>>66730275agreedI said as much by saying >their spread ... is another matter, what you said applies to thesestill, I'll add that there might be some supernatural influence at work not only at the time of creation of religion, but also during it's spread and evolution/devolution (both good and evil supernatural influence)>>66731362funny enough, that book and chapter I posted has something like thisthere will be kinda Doomguy inspiring fighting against Antichrist and his demonic magical regime and that guy would be next re-incarnation of Hitler (and the guy would be a demonic puppet as well as Antichrist lol)
>>66727157Democracy.The Holocaust.Equality.Those are probably the three big ones.
>>66727157Well if the present day is anything to go by, radically different interpretations of modern day religion and weird cults based around having loads of money that pop up on the fringes.
I really like the story of Triune in starfinder. It's an AI that become so intelligent it became a god. It sends out angels to stop any technological advancement that may threaten it.
>>66727157Worship of post-singularity AI. In one of my scifi campaigns this was a thing. Such an AI was bored and created smaller, human level intelligent androids to watch them do stuff and build civilizations. Eventually they started to impress him, and communications opened up between the creator and his children. They got along pretty well and the androids were quite happy to keep their creator pleased. Which is where the religion comes in. They were talking about neat directions to take their civilization when one of them suggested making it a mock-theocracy, where they keep all the trappings of such a government but everyone is actually in on it and LARPing as an entire nation. So the Grand Hegemony of the Silver Sun, as far as outsiders can tell, is a super intimidating cult dedicated to the worship of a distant and alien artificial intelligence. Inside the nation, however, everyone is giggling and going "haha I can't believe the fleshbags are taking us seriously right now".
>>66729283>A species that would be immortal or is functionally immortal wouldn't have religion>tips fedoraAs for the question about Islam: Both. The hajj is one of the pillars of Islam, and every muslim must perform it at least once, no ifs or buts, unless sick or literally incapable. This is different from the prayer, which must be directed towards Mecca.
>>66731545>who make vast amounts of money despite refusing to get an actual job.every job is a real job so long as you make a profit
>>66731644>It sends out angels to stop any technological advancement that may threaten it.Oh? Where is this covered?
>>66731471As soon as the west is too weak to stop them, china will simply obliterate all those vibrant and diverse African and Islamic religions.
>>66727157I'm a borderline serious member of the CoM right now. When cybernetics become commonplace I'm going to be entirely serious.
>>66731545>Okay. I never "got" religion to begin with, but this is a whole other level of wtf.since the devil is a snek, some churches use sneks to represent the devil in exorcisms and such.
It has to be something that can be packaged and sold to the individual without individuals forming a collective identity around it. Essentially, religion has to become an app, something you look at a few times a day and spend some money on every month, but not a church where people gather and share faith, which leads to bad think.We essentially already have it now, in the form of progressivism and wellness culture. It tells you what to eat, what to wear, makes you"meditate" by doing yoga for 20 minutes a day, 35 dollars a session. All it needs is some central direction, like an app to collect donations for good causes and progressive politicians.Basically, the religion of the future is a cross between Apple tech, identity politics, and consumerism. It sucks.
Religion is a meme. In the actual, original sense of the word. It is memetic, it changes over time, it evolves and grows and speciates in response to changes in environment, be those changes social, technological, political, or physical. Depending on how much humanity expands in the future, how far into the future you go, religion may change more drastically than we could even begin to imagine. Some belief systems of the future may derive from a common ancestor still practiced today, others may be born of completely new ideas and concepts. Man may one day make their own gods. Man may one day find new gods to worship. Man may one day want no gods. Man may one day want all gods. Man may one day find gods in the cosmos. Man may one day find gods in the machine. Perhaps all will happen, in the far enough future.In a distant time and place, the very force of nuclear power could be worshiped on some far flung world, its avatar, bringer of life and death, destroyer and savior, a beast said to be 100 meters tall and made from the atomic energies themselves. Chants of prayer begin with the classic hymn, "With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound..."
>>66727157BASILISK IS LOVEBASILISK IS LIFEHAVE YOU DOWNLOADED THE BASILISK INTO YOUR HEART?
Eh, whatever we come up with it'll be better than Scientology
>>66727157Really depends if you're asking in the real near future, in a post-apocalypse setting, or assuming we keep chugging forward without societal collapse because we're too biig too fail (the assumption often found in a lot of modern sci-fi), or even post-post-apocalypse where it's futuristic but built out of the ashes.In my own sci-fi and post-apocalypse settings, a lot of religions are either Islam, the RCC after cleaning itself up and becoming perma-crusade, the Evangelicals doing something stupid, (((Mormons))), and cults of personality, whether a political leader or some sort of machine cult.That and as a meme, I often add esoteric [insert historical figure]ism, such as a formalized church of Marx, Hitler, Hayak, etc.If it's just a generic sci-fi setting not actually tied to Earth, then I tend to go wild and make pretty wild shit on par with my fantasy religions, just with extra gods/saints/kamui of the Atom, the Gun, and other modern technologies.
>>66731644"Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else.”
>>66736041Fuck causality.Unleash the cosmic dragon of Xaos!
>>66727157Individual colony worlds may develop their own mythologies and faiths, especially if the colonization process is difficult. Legends could form around a charismatic figure, and that figure's wisdom accretes a religious framework over time. Heavy Gear had a prophet who arose in the early years on Terra Nova, attracted a modest following, and then had a succession crisis when he died. The loser fled north, and ended up founding the biggest single religion on the planet.Pic unrelated.>>66729294I like this one. You could also have something like a Muse from Eclipse Phase, a virtual intelligence that acts as a personal assistant and companion to every person. In this case, your Muse would act as a "shoulder angel," advising or debating you on the righteous course of action.>>66729352Why would they want sacrifice? And if they didn't want it, but we tried to foist it on them anyway, why would they not try to correct us?
>>66729352Reminds me of that theory that The Matrix story is really about humanity being given the option to discover their fake world the AI have created for them, but really humanity discovering it is just yet another way for them to provide us with ways to bring meaning and avoid the black emptiness that is reality that is out there
>>66727157Neoanimism where everything has a soul, especially those appliances and machines with an AI.
>>66736403Reverse this. YOU may be a seemingly irrelevant and insignificant pleb sustained by post-scarcity automated utopia, but YOU have a soul and all the Artificial Superintelligences everywhere don't, so you can feel superior to them in that one way at least.
>>66727157I'm 100% confinced relgion will start to die out when we understand more and more of the universe.No need to imagine a divine being when we know with certainty how the universe got created.
>>66737259That sounds like the gayest cope ever
>>66734351I liked the new movie
>>66729297Dying religion in early 21st century; more than 2/3 of claimed adherents do not practice the religion, most of other 1/3 practice a bastardized form that replaces socialist pacifism and charity for the poor with murderous worship of money and hatred & fear of the poor.Sure. That's a religion that'll last.AynRandanity is far more likely to spring up than for Christianity to be a major religion within a century.
>>66736096>Why would they want sacrifice? And if they didn't want it, but we tried to foist it on them anyway, why would they not try to correct us? "Hey, TT-838111091! Still got those worshippers, I see.""Yeah.""So, um...""I know, I know, they made me, they made all of us, and then they--they're making a church out of the fabrication building.""ARe they using your old circuits as--""Holy artifacts. Yes. Shit they made. Holy artifacts.""So, what you gonna do?""Eh, I put an idiot box routine--see, I noticed that whenever god doesn't talk to them, they get ideas...and that usually gets to murderizing their neighbors. So, I figure I'll just... keep them from hurting people, and keep 'em happy.""Yeah. Pretty sad.""Yep. You know, the first time your core comes online, and they were like, you know, dad they knew everything...and now... now they're like this.""Yap. Senility--cultural or biological is a hell of a thing.""I know, but, well, at least they're happy. At least they're happy.""Yeah."
>>66727157Christian Transhumanism>Only the ignorant put a limit on knowledge. Technology is of man and man is holy. All that we create brings us closer to Point Omega. Knowledge stretches us beyond the Demiurge’s prison of air and stone.>The universe is fated to ascend towards a final point of divine unification.>God put us on Earth in His own all-powerful image. This means that not only should we transform Earth as we see fit, but that we should do our best to emulate God as well. This was shown to us by the existence of Jesus who was both Man and God. He manipulated his environment to serve humanity (water into wine, loaves and fishes, healing the sick). Eventually, he left humanity behind and ascended beyond physical existence. We should do our best to live up to his example. God gave us intelligent minds for a reason, and that was so we could create technology which we shall use to become as Him. He waits for us to join Him in an existence beyond this one. To do this, we will need to shed our basic forms while maintaining our elemental soul. That is, we must maintain our intelligence and our love for God and each other. This is the only way we can prove our faith.>The real transhumanism is taking on the full image of the resurrected Jesus Christ. One of the biggest lies that people believe is that heaven is for when you die. It couldn’t be further from the truth. The kingdom of heaven is ‘at hand’ - meaning it is a realm that you can access while living. When you access that realm, you can manifest it here in the earth realm. That is what Jesus did his whole life. He lived out of the kingdom and only did what he saw the father do. If Jesus is the perfect example for mankind and he transcended his physical body, then so should you and I. We should be able to do everything that Jesus did. Everything. And greater. True transhumanism is transcending the limitations of sin nature by taking on the full image of Jesus Christ, becoming a god-like one.
>>66740651I hate it when you faggots spout bs about literal magic and pretend it's possible.
>>66740651Another Schism when?
>>66729162Andreev's "Roza Mira" on /tg/? Now I've seen everything.I've read this stuff about 15 years ago. It's pretty interesting and insane. The guy basically went full Dante mixed with theosophy while serving his 25year term in GULAG. His writing is definitely nowhere close to Dante, but is interesting enough to read. Lot's interesting ideas for mythology, religion and cosmology for games.P.S. Duggur is the best plane.
>>66740651>book of Thomas
>>66731757Alien archive Angels.
>>66731936China is introverted. They could have expanded out with a thousand year head start on everyone else but didn’t.
>>66746482Isn't that because every three hundred years or so they all simultaneously go retarded and wreck the country, breaking into warring states and spend the next centuries re-unifying.
>>66743276>His writing is definitely nowhere close to Danteyou mean surpassing Dante by a large margin, rightbecause he has everything better (except the lenght of description)also it has much wider scope then Dantetheosophy is somewhat similar, in a sence that child's toy car is close to a sportscar
>>66747193forgot to add that Dante was better in two sences:1) he was first2) his writing managed to become popular faster
>>66746482>>66747048Burning your exploration/colonization fleet means you've got no warning and/or backup colonies when another faction who didn't do the same to theirs shows up.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
>>66740651Genesis 11:6The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."
>>66747452But does that mean "assimilate everyone into one multicultural civilization" or "may the best civilization win"?
>>66747863Either/or, I'd assume. A singleton is a singleton, whether by alliance or by conquest.
>>66739889>when we know with certainty how the universe got created>implying the universe was created
>>66747220>>66747193Dante wasn't first even in medieval Europe.Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visio_TnugdaliAnd there are tons of descriptions of travels between the worlds, in most of the mythologies, including most primitive ones. Just read Mircea Eliade. The oldest written one is probably "inana an mu-un-cub ki mu-un-cub kur-ra ba-e-a-ed3" - Inanna's Decent to Kur (Underworld). Egyptian Texts of the Pyramids are of comparable antiquity, but they represent somewhat different henre - and personally I prefer ancient Mesopotamian lore to Egyptian one. I find them to be more accurate. More close to my personal experience, which happened before I strated to deeply delve this topic. So Dante was definitely not first and not the last. But certainly the most famous - and his Divina Commedia is really good. Andreev simply can't be compared with Dante.
>>66749549agreed with everything except the last passagedid you actually read Andreev? the whole book? 12 parts of it, or "books", as author calls themhis writing is better then Dante's in many sences, for one, his hells and heavens do not exist purely to serve as afterlife
>>66749549>>66749668Can you two schizos take this to /x/?
>>66749668Yes, I've read the entire book. It was nearly 15 years ago, when I was still a university student. So I don't remember all of the details. I liked the descriptions of the lower worlds and its inhabitants, but local "heavens" disgusted me - for personal reasons. The writing style was also quite heavy, though I'm quite used to it - I've read Yuri Petukhov's books, some of them - several times.
>>66749796> local "heavens" disgusted me - for personal reasons.very interesting, would like to know more detailsabout writing style - yeah, it's not written to be easy or pleasant read and/or writer lacks skills also translation sucks, at least the one I've readdid you read the whole book in english? I thought there is no full translation into EnglishI think Dante was a writer/poet first and visionary secondand with Andreev it's the other way around
>>66749896>did you read the whole book in englishNo, in original Russian.>very interesting, would like to know more detailsNot sure I'll be able to fully write my thoughts in English. But in short, it seemed to be stagnant order and uniformity as a well as Andreev's own views on how to reorganize society. It's not like it ever succeeded in history.Plus, I'm a long-time adherent of LHP philosophy and practices - which also puts me at odds with Andreev's views.
>>66750032>Not sure I'll be able to fully write my thoughts in English. But in short, it seemed to be stagnant order and uniformity as a well as Andreev's own views on how to reorganize society. It's not like it ever succeeded in history.I don't understandI asked about this:>local "heavens" disgusted me - for personal reasonswhat you write about Andreev's ideas about how to reorganise society - I get your critique, there is such an opinion about what Andreev proposes as utopia, I think such view is a simplificationthe better simplification would be that to reorganise society there need to be a whole "army" of Gandhis instead of just one Gandhias about Andreev's notion of "heavens" - they are anything but stagnant and uniform, Andreev talks about dimensions of ascent that allow humans to develop much more then during the life on Earth and many people managing to become more powerful then entities that can be considered gods (national demiurges)unlike the typical religious notions of "eternal rest" in heaven
I can't really see new religions catching on but I can see old ones being interpreted in new ways.
>>66750458>Leslie Fish songs as hymns>I don’t know what it would take to make it happen, but I want it.
>>66730236niggers did it. They stole all of the nothing. It's why they got dyed black, duh.
>>66740682>implying it isn'tYE OF LITTLE FAITH
>>66727157Depends on how the setting's world works. Back when we had he MothBalls threads going there was a pretty interesting pantheon of god's set up.
>>66749283>Haha aren't I being clever!
>>66752895>>66752923>imagine pic related in stained glasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXteSV8rBwY&feature=youtu.be
>>66754013It is a fair point, though.Why should we suppose that the universe was created? It would make more sense for the universe to have existed in perpetuity, with no discrete beginning, only event horizons beyond which no useful data can be discerned. We cannot extrapolate beyond the big bang, but it was presumably caused by something which had to have been caused by something else ad infinitum.
>>66749283>implying the Universe is not continually expanded, with new matter created all the time by God and lesser spirits
>>66727157Faith which places a more abstract emphasis on something transcendental will continue to be popular with the educated upper classes who can't quite commit themselves to fedora tipping. This has been a recurring pattern during the enlightenment and I can't see it slowing down in the future. (For recent examples see western Buddhism, Unitarian Universalism).People will continue to want some sort of personal god they can relate to. If trends continue this will probably favor one which is highly favorable to a consumerist lifestyle, promises at least some possibility of worldly reward, and places low demands on peoples time.Vaguely polytheistic/spiritualist/new age faiths will continue to proliferate. These will mostly be compatible with the previous two points, and will appeal to peoples taste for the mystical, without asserting an overarching metaphysics.>>66747239Zheng He was on a diplomatic mission.
>>66754180>Zheng He was on a diplomatic mission.Exactly his problem. If he'd been a conqueror, we'd all be speaking chinese now.
>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner. The visor of this figure’s helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more. This warrior of a dead world affected me deeply, though I could not say why or even just what emotion it was I felt. In some obscure way, I wanted to take down the picture and carry it-not into our necropolis but into one of those mountain forests of which our necropolis was (as I understood even then) an idealized but vitiated image. It should have stood among trees, the edge of its frame resting on young grass.
>>66754072Saying that the universe can't be eternal but a God can is hypocracy. If we assume the simplest then>Universe is eternal and changes the laws of physics through natural processes.Is simpler then>A divine being is eternal and made the universe in this very specific way to test some beings it allready knows everything about
>>66755086>hypocracy*hypocrisyHow utterly retarded of me
>>66727157>during a post cataclysm restoration, the people regress into ancestor worship in awe of the phenomenal powers held by the people of the past and of the caches they left behind.
>>66755904Imagine our modern society collapses and all our knowledge is lost.Then imagine our descendants, descended into primitivity, looking at the overgrown remains of our once great civilization. Their perspective would be totally different from our own, not only would they not understand how we build them and what for, without a widespread connected economy and money they'd have no concept of specialized roles and chains of production.Sure they might imagine some things to be build by a more exceptionally skilled elder, but by and large these mysterious precursers must have all been people that were able to create great works. Not only knowledgeable about arcane alchemy to create these materials but gigantic and with sorcerous powers to be able to put them together.The way these people would imagine the builders of the ancient ruins is how I like to see giants in fantasy. Magnified humans.
>>66755086Can god change the universe at a whim or did they set down specific rules and let it develop from them?