The recent flow of human in fantasy and beastfolk threads got me thinking - since both of those can't really get anywhere, why not try something else for a setting. What is both monsters and sentient species of the setting came from more obscure and unused animals and other critters? Perhaps with a hint of magic to make it interesting. In other words - lets make some humanoids, monsters and others out of something else then a bunch of apes and few members of order carnivora (That way we don't have to deal with furfags and their "human equivalent").
To get everything start I offer you this: Mossosaurs came from a line of lizards, so what if a line of lizardfolk like creatures took off into the waters becoming bigger merfolk equivalent of the world? Perhaps they even use magics to their gains to either allow them to stay underwater for longer (after all they still breath air) or use magics of water conjuring kind to allow them movement on otherwise dry land?
>>65610037Something like this fishfolk which used Dunkleosteus for a head?
>>65611262Yup, or mammal like reptile people, or all the odd crocodilmorphs.
Look for The Monster Alphabet on the trove (might just be on the osr trove). It's pretty great for helping with making unique monsters
>>65611719Well this is mostly for people to make stuff, I got some monsters myself just trying to get /tg/'s creative juice flowing.
Huh, I came here today specifically to make a thread for this post but I guess this thread just so happened to be close enough.I want to give my elves (and by extension all fey) qualities that hint they may have evolved from ungulates. With a bunch of fey they have more obvious qualities like horns, rectangular pupils and digitigrade feet, but for elves I was aiming for the traits being fairly subtle; flat teeth/no canines, motile ears, even number of fingers/toes; stuff that would just seem weird but not bluntly reveal them as goat people. I was thinking maybe behavioral quirks or internal anatomical differences would work well but I don't actually know all that much about ungulates. Any ideas /tg/? More extreme ideas are welcome to apply to other fey.
Bump for interest
>>65612167Well sort of note is the fact that not all ungulates were herbivores so you could go full on carnivore elves based less on modern goats and stuff like terminator pigs and other creatures from that group. That way you can give them all the traits you mentioned but also have sort of "mutants" being born or have traits of their ancestors show up in half breeds - stuff lke horns, or teeth or muscles mass of great degree.
>>65612167You're gonna be mad or maybe you just won't even believe me because of how oddly specific this is but The Elder Scrolls elves evolved from ungulates
>>65613633Honestly it seems to be a consistent theme with elves across a bunch of settings so I wouldn't be surprised, but I thought mer were spirits given flesh due to God trickery. Am I actually just miserable TES lorelet?
>>65613740TES lore is like being injected with everything in a laboratory at once, who the fuck knows at this point.
>>65610037Maybe an inteligent race based on feathered raptors
>>65615025Seen that one done, and in my games there is a race of fluffy raptors as sentient humanoids. One of the PCs adopted some.
>>65610037Finaly a good fucking thread.I just started to seek for anything speculative evolution related.This is some good shit.Have some links that could be usefull later on.http://monsterbrains.blogspot.com/2010/12/dougal-dixon-new-dinosaurs-1988.htmlhttps://pl.scribd.com/document/377390366/All-Your-Yesterdays-2017Also seek for anything made by Dougal Dixon.>>65611262>DunkleosteusA fellow man of cultureAlso have you considered creating some tree leged placoderm creatures (the tail turned into a leg)?Also because this is a paleo thread now have an IRL basilisk or wyvern (depends how you define it).Yi Qi
>>65615486Has someone said tree leged placoderm creatureshttps://www.deviantart.com/dragonthunders/art/Alternative-Paths-Terrestrial-Placoderm-Evolution-764386724
>>65615945The Allobrachid Cladeorepenid and Allopeda remind me of those orange guys from the 2005 SPORE trailer.https://youtu.be/zi2GvqboQfYHoly shit do I feel old.Inside I want there to be a SPORE 2 but the fact that EA has the rights makes me feel like this would be just the standard EA bullshit. And Thrive is still in a very early stage of production.
>>65611262>>65615486>there are others who appreciate the dunkleBased>>65610037The Diyu project is a great place to find interesting deep cave critters and races https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/conceptual_evolution/member-project-diyu-t3513.html?amp=1
All tomorrows is a pretty good inspiration for non-standard humanoids. I’ve thought about using the many human descendants as fantasy races, particularly the the sail people
If you don't base your monsters on extinct, extant, or possible creatures, you're doing it wrong.
>>65610037>since both of those can't really get anywhereAnon beastfolk are literally fine>That way we don't have to deal with furfags and their "human equivalent"Oh anon how deluded :')>>65620015Says a guy who will never get published
>>65620447The folks at weta workshop seem to have managed.
>>65620015Half the time I just use extinct creatures. You have magic, a misplaced Sea-Scorpion doesn't really matter.
>>65610037Cacti.No. They don't walk. They don't speak.But they have an innate psychic power that spreads through their roots. Think of it like a biological Virtual Reality: Cacti have created their own massive civilization through the gestalt consciousness from their roots. All those clumped-together Cacti in the desert are actually a civilization far more ancient and bigger than anything in the waking world. And of course, to learn the secrets of the Ancient War, your Druid will have to enter this gestalt consciousness and partake.
>>65621315>A mushroom of this type in the Malheur National Forest in the Strawberry Mountains of eastern Oregon, was found to be the largest fungal colony in the world, spanning an area of 3.4 square miles (2,200 acres; 8.8 km2). This organism is estimated to be 2,400 years old.
I've had these thoughts in regards to writing a fantasy setting for stories, and for games. For my stories, wyverns and dragons are pterosaurs- wyverns encompasses all pterosaurs, and there's quite a bit of ecological variety, and dragons are a subgroup of particularly large predatory pterosaurs that evolved a biological means of breathing fire utilizing multiple glands in the mouth. In this setting, various crocodylomorph creatures also survived the Cretaceous extinction and have evolved to fill various ecological niches previously occupied by non avian dinosaurs on one of the continents in the story, the continent with most if not all wyverns, and there may or may not be a few surviving non avian dinosaurs. Various extinct plant lineages also survived because the ecosystem to support them on this continent made it through the Cretaceous extinction.I also want to create a game, or story setting, based on a thing I read on /k/. Essentially a decent sized group of people jump to a different timeline and get marooned there in an attempt to escape a global pandemic. Things in this timeline took a very different turn in the Carboniferous period, and the world is covered in primordial swamps. Giant arthropods of various kinds, gigantic amphibian ambush predators that fulfill an ecological niche equivalent of modern crocodiles, but both synapsid and diapsid reptiles evolved- they attack from the trees like scaly leopards, maybe some have evolved flight. Anyway, three political factions have created settlements and are at war with each other, fighting both humans and various dangerous animals in a primeval swamp-jungle, with semi automatic rifles, pump action shotguns, and both semi automatic handguns and revolvers.
may or may not draw hybrids of specieswas thinking of doing a bull-moth crossup. weird ass shit like that
>>65610037Sometimes some of the best monsters come from our past. Consider Thylacoleo: a jaguar sized marsupial that specialized in hunting large prey. It ambushed said prey by jumping onto it from above, hooking into it with massive thumb claws not unlike what could be found on the larger raptor species, and biting into the fucking neck with a set of teeth uniquely shaped with the purpose of lacerating the windpipe, severing the spinal cord and blood vessels, and dishing out the maximum amount of bite force it's jaw muscles could muster. A bite force mind you that is considered to be the strongest in proportion to body size among all mammals. Much like megalania these things only went extinct because early aboriginal tribes fucked up the land by setting fire to everything and killing off the megafauna that it was geared towards hunting. It's downfall was literally that it was too good at hunting big shit to go for anything else. The fuckers would probably have a field day in most modern settings. If tamed they'd probably be a big hit for races like wood elves and all manner of bandits and rangers.
>>65624009Why was Australia a horrific death pit of monstrosities since the dawn of time?
>>65624029Because nature gets its rocks off by making things and having them kill each other. If you want further proof look up the gympie gympie tree.
>>65624148But why does nature concentrate so many of these things in Australia? The rest of the world just isn't like this.
>>65610037Just some ideas (Also I don't think scalies are any better than furfags)Jellyfish MermaidsPlant HumanoidRock Humanoid
>>65624148>gympie gympie treeWhy'd you have to remind us that that tree exists? Shit, where I live the scariest trees around are Brazilian pepper trees, because they give you a rash like poison oak. But no, we have to talk about the nightmare tree from hell. Because kangaroo land.
>>65624173Because when you think about it Australia is a perfect testi ground for awful shit. It's a relatively secluded continent with a good chunk of different biomes and climates in all manner of extremes. The continent is perfectly suited for forcing competitors to get as tough and adaptable as they can get or die trying. Alternatively Mother Nature really does love making things kill each other and is trying to cook up some nastier shit so she can one day slam the continents back together into another Pangea in just the right way that leaves the worst flora and fauna in a good enough condition to spread successfully. Who knows?
What about the Hoplitomeryx, a sabertooth five-horned Deer
>>65624288Why not both, you gave the how, the why and a good idea for a campaign around a bored/mad nature godess
Oh hey just thought of another animal that would make for a good monster: assassin bugs. Some species will pile corpses onto themselves to hide their scent and break up their body shape. In the case of ant specialists they stick near nest openings because they know that an ant will eventually come to try and remove the corpse. You could super size them and have them specialize in hanging around war zones where they ambush anyone trying to move the bodies near the camp to prevent illness.>>65624288Because I don't like it when I remember something awful and other people don't also remember it. I have to share the suffering.
>>65624397Fug, mean to reply to>>65624246
>>65620447OP here, no I am just sick of furfags (Since unlike most people who complain about them I do deal with them from time to time) talking only about creatures that easily fall into caniform or feliform orders. As for their human equivalnents it's only nice way to call HFY fags since they are basically furries who like humans instead of normal people.
>>65624246 #Gympie gympie treants.Yeah better add them to our paleo eldrich speculative evolution setting (Or how you want to call it. I'm going to call it PESE for now.).Now all we need are giant fucking Strepsiptera running arround and we'll have a setting with more nightmare fuel than all of H.P.Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos. Also make sure that there are a lot of insects with metal exoskelletons (because this is a thing IRL).>>65624669 #I am happy because we are doing something that doesn't involve just lazy anthro garbage or just humans with different skin ears or height.We are doing something unique and awesome/metal here. Do not fuck it up.Also have an Sharovipteryx for good luck.
>>65624870That is why I started this thread - we need something metal and fucking awesome.
Heterodontosaurus is such a hideous little motherfucker, look at this tiny saber toothed freakazoid. This rat bastard looks like he should be eating cave-slime covered dirt and playing with a dagger waiting for hapless adventurers to come into his goblin dinosaur cave.Goyocephale is also good, if you want those horrible monster teeth all growing downwards like a unsightly Ornithischian vampire.
>>65625466I know it's kinda silly, but seeing this makes me want to make sort of parody fantasy world, where creatures like this one take roles of classic races, just modified to be it's own thing. If we can get some writte and drawfags on this idea something good could come of it.
>>65624173>The rest of the world just isn't like this.You know I think it might just be a case of confirmation bias. The rest of the world is a crazy fucking place. Mexico actually has the highest amount of venomous animals, and africa is riddled with deadly predators, from big cats with retractable razor claws to hyenas whose bite can crush bone. And the number one killer is a fucking two ton herbivore that will charge and gore you on sight, just for existing too close to it. This is to say nothing of the other herbivores, all of which will also gore you to death, a defense they probably evolved from having to deal with giant cats and bonecrushing hyenas. Then you have crocs on every continent, along with all of those nightmarish parasitic insects. Earth is just a scary place to live
>>65624669>>65624870Maybe you're just very fucking narrow minded and don't realize you're doing absolutely nothing original.>We are doing something unique and awesome/metal here.No you're not lmao> we are doing something that doesn't involve just lazy anthro garbage or just humans with different skin ears or heightPlenty of people with actual talents did that before you, but you couldn't look at that. Go on, blame the 'furfags', and then you're gonna go back to play 40k thinking this is the most creative setting evar.>>65625645Ah yes, here's where it all break down...>"Now, if we could just get drawfags to...">"Have a writefag do...">"A drawfag should..."I don't know anon,do you think a drawfag will come? Maybe they want to be paid to work on your stupid ideas nobody will remember in three days. How come you don't do your work yourself anon?That's why you're not getting published and that's why you're not doing anything original. You're the first one to go shitpost your ideas on an anonymous forum and talk shit about those that exist and that takes you five minutes, but you couldn't muster the committment to learn a relevantly useful skill to make these ideas into something else than just ideas.
>>65621344Thank you. Stealing this idea.
>>65627676You know what?I'm going to drawfag some dinosaurs for the OP.Just to spite you.Furfag
>>65610037Do Monster Girls count if they have unique body types?
>>65629605Be careful. If you draw them, and it turns you make them too anthro, you risk making another furry.
>>65629605Hahaha yeah I'm quaking in my boots awaiting your terrible stick figures
>>65629672I'll just do something literally so simple, any retard can do it.
>>65627676Well thing is I am the OP, I am a drawfag, I am just waiting for ideas to illustrate and time when I get home and can get started.
>>65629605>I'll draw something great to spite you!>>65629901>I'll draw something so basic and shit even you can do it lol:')
>>65625466So here is a simple concept art for your idea - sorry for not making them suitably freaky, for now trying to find a good shape to turn them into semi-sentient monsters. Also on related note, should this world be a bit like a classic fantasy world just instead of conventional starting point it started at time when great dying would have happened so the role of humans and like is filled by mixture of dinosaurs, odd arthoropods and most importantly odd therapsids (mammal like reptiles)? Dinos could be oppressed so they are like this here "goblin", while role of dragons could taken over by the dragons from that one dude who made speculative dragons out of monitor lizards.
>>65627673It depends on how close you get live to them. The problem with Africa and Australia is that Africa isn't evolved enough to push back the scary animals, and Australia doesn't care where you live. Small things will get you anyway.
>>65630728You got good form, but you should pay the same attention on that tank as you do the dinosaur
>>65630785Frankly the background I did in a minute so it's kinda half assed, tried to give that other dino a bomb but I kinda fucked it up.
And just to draw some more drawing concepts into the thread - here is a creature based on the imagine in original post - a boar crocodile like somewhat humanoid creature - they have eyes more towards the front of their skull cause they came from predators that were move active on their feet and hunted prey instead of ambushes, mostly fish and sea life, this is why they got the impressive teeth. However the teeth proved to be bad weapon against other creatures their size, as they would brake easily, instead it forced them to improvise - leading to creation of tools for hunting and self defense. Now these creatures live in swamps, lagoons and sea sides, in small family groups, lead by a largest female. While not most unique out of crocdilomorphs, it's a start on the idea, looking to see if anyone else got something to offer.
>>65631012Looks cool. But that's obviously a Beastman.Yo. Have you considered a more extreme body type? Pic related looks like it could work.
>>65631182I am mostly working with what animal has and it so happen crocodiles are plantagrades with enough fingers to make proper hand, and I kept the body shape similar to what they would have in terms of being tail drager with ability to run really fast for short distances. And I already did more dinosaurian shape in this work - two are different groups and I feel somewhat different builds work really well to distinguish them before all the fluff is added >>65630728Also in the past I have used some of the mammal like reptiles for random npcs - here is one of them, based on one odd herbivore that had these odd tusks, I felt that face and low build made for a neat looking merchant.
>>65630728This one looks pretty cool. And speaking of fingers.I've always had this idea for a "servant" race for these Dinosaurs.... Especifically a T-Rex. They are small and easily bullied into serving as the T-Rexes fingers and hands, bringing food to them, cleaning them, as well as manipulating the turrets they carry in their backs.Literally a Tyrant Lizard. They usually die off when the colony of servants gets bullied into serving a younger, more boisterous Tyrant Lizard. After a duel for domination.Think a T-Rex with a house built around them, lived by smaller Lizards.
>>65631432So sort of like dragon and kobolds? Though no joke I have seen something like this in one game of mine someone suggested a charcter that was a summoner t-rex who used summons to do all the things he couldn't due to lack of hands. Character was not used at the time, but we plan to reuse them in the future. As for the idea ya, could work, could be either children, other smaller species or even something like necromancers - the tyrant dinos that lost their servants and refused to die learned art of reanimating the dead and now live on with undead minions.
>>65631432I'm stealing this idea. Thanks for nothing, fool.
>>65631012It would be interesting to incorporate the sex determined by temperature into their culture. egsample>they need more of a certain sex for some reason.>they place the eggs in the temple of the war god if they want males or in the temple of the fertility goddes for females
>>65631610Frankly that trait would be really useful if they ever realize it since they wouldn't have the problem humans got where in some places we got not enough women - imagine just some tribe that was near extermination due to some war, they dig up some cash of specially enchanted eggs and have them hatch in whatever sex is needed more. On sort of related note for anything cold blooded - I could imagine something like frozen bodies of arcane kind for ancestors - like really old crocs that got so big they need to eat a lot are kept in sort of fronze state in some special icy boxes and taken out when their wisdom or strength is needed - imagine some temple releasing a 9 meter long crocodile monstrosity that is 500 years old that you only heard of in tales of your grandfathers.
>>65631732Oh the post was remade - this is replay to this post: >>65631711
>>65631732They could also control their population in a way.For example>If a a pair of crock people want to get married they first have the normal process of getting everything ready for the wedding and all>During the wedding they have to take an oath that their eggs will be brought to one of the two temples.>The priestly class decides to which temple the eggs will be sent> In each temple there will be something akin to a box in which the egg will be held>The box would have the names of the parents written on it to avoid confusion>Some time before hatching the eggs will be given back to the parents.The priestly class could have decided that this will be a generation of warior dudes so the amount of males would skyrocket in proportion to females.
>>65632009Just checked, crocodile men would be horrifying in wars since not only could they produce many men for war, said men would grow up faster as males grow bigger but also grow faster in crocodiles, at least modern ones. And ya, something to consider would be stock piles of eggs just in case something bad happens, but then again they could then just have them packed in a back and have few of the best warriors sent off on a sort of colonistion/escape expedition.
>>65631680That's not very nice of you >>65631711Excellent idea.
>>65632058Stockpiling eggs wouldn't work because the embrio would run out of nutrients and have to hatch eventualy. With magic the situation is totally different.Fighting croc people would be a pain in the ass like hardcore hemorrhoids levels of pain in the ass. But you always could try and steal the eggs or kill of the females to reduce the number of males in the next generation.
>>65632260Well ya, this is why I noted shamanistic magic is needed. And ya, stealing eggs would be a problem this is why I imagine some large beasts and really dangerous females would probably protect them. Or like that idea I posted earlier - some really ancient warriors are kept near the egg chambers perhaps? And would awake if someone invaded. I don't know why, but idea of random critter trying to steal the eggs being steamrolled by a behemoth of a croc is amusing to me.
>>65632319By the way Crocodylomorphs were diverse as fuck before the extinction 65 milion years ago.Seriously there was an armored one named armadillosuchus (pic related).
>>65632545Oh ya, I even refered him in the post with the concept drawing - that drawing itself being based on basically crocodile mixed with a boar. Armadilloscuhuswas awsome and someone should make a knight like culture with them.
>>65632606It should help a bit because there are many many more of them. This video is mostly about armadillosuchus but it mentions some more.https://youtu.be/axTxrkiB6UUFrom the more interesting ones I recomend the marine crocs Thalattosuchia to check out.
>>65632746I already considered mossosaurs for more merfolk approach, as I want to mix it up a bit and throw in some squamates.
>>65615486>All your yesterday'sCant look right now (work) but is that by the same guy that did All Tomorrows? Really enjoyed that one.
>>65613792I straight cackled
>>65613792Unfortunately this, too many generations of writers coming and going with their different ideas and fads do that to alot of settings.
Something about speculative Evolution.https://youtu.be/9_but6TP_CYhttps://youtu.be/w9hOcQzxpqUhttps://youtu.be/AK83PtweLf0
Do pic related make good common pets in a given setting?
The newly discovered Peregocetus pacificus can be a good shot for costal, marine or swamp encounters
>>65638894It can also be use as base for a non-humanoid like mer-folk
>>65638894>>65638908I used something like Ambulocetus in one of my campaigns, though a good deal more north than its IRL habitat. Called 'em lochwolves. Players are terrified of every time I mention a lake now.
>>65638908We have a heck of a lot of merfolk ideas. Maybe this should be semi aquatic setting
>>65642317Hypothesis: The entire party got murdered by an eocenian murderlog.But still I want to know what specifically happened.
Nice to get some fitting art from a porn-slate artist.
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>>65633003Kind of, not really. All Yesterday is indeed a project helmed by CM Koseman (the All Tomorrow author/illustrator) that’s focused around depicting dinosaurs in a more creative, yet realistic manner. All Your Tomorrow is the same thing only with illustrations submitted by fans.
>>65642317So you basically now have Crocoldile like ambush predator anywhere you can find lakes? That is kinda neat idea.
>>65629647Anime garbage is worse than fur faggotry
Megaterium, biger than a bear and strong enough to dig tunels in solid rock and in iron ore deposits. Make than intelligents and you have a good alternative for dwarfs or a source for unnatural tunel complexes
>>65645470here an image of a megatério tunel
>>65645470I think they also work as great ogres - big and lazy things that eat a lot and dig holes as traps for caravans. Or live in mountain caves they dig it and sell the ore to craftsmen in exchange for armor and food.
flightless giraffe like pterodactyls snapping any creature that fit into their bicks
>>65647403I believe these ones actually...were capable of flying.
>>65648649They were indeed. and capable of taking off directly from the ground as well if I recall correctly.
>>65648673Yup, basically that creature makes all mammals look lame by comparison.
One last bump before oblivion
Any ideas for winged dragons with four legs that don't involve a six limbed creature ?My idea was to based the wings on pic rel coupled with bug wings (IIRC the later evolved from membranes rather than being a new set of limbs)
>>65646359Mix those with platypuses and you got a great owlbear
>>65658923Do we know how flexible were these spines ?BTW nice pic i imagine ''true'' dragons (Read four legged winged ones) looking like crocs, dinossaurs or lizzards; while wyverns are like pterosaurs.
Daeodons make very orky mounts
>>65659460And so do gorgonopsiansBTW i like therapsids they are a bit like irl pokemon
>>65659489Appealing therapsids may be, but I cannot forgive them for beginning the bimbofication of the class reptilia.
>>65660432>bimbofication of the class reptilia.Would not that be dinossaurs ?
>>65660569The therapsids started it, hence mammals and all their mammary glands. Dinosaurs are just more recent ones, with everything but ostriches, ducks, and some ground dwelling sparrow dying. Related too, swarms of toothed birds should be a fun time for players.
>>65661551>The therapsids started it, hence mammals and all their mammary glands.Makes sense; i was thinking dinossaurs because they are like repitles but with exaggerated proportions, colorfull feathers and all sorts of attention grabbing features that makes them perfect for the screen
>>65642317Reminds me of the Dobhar-chú legend
>>65616486Man after man is good too, although some of the species are apes with human hands and facesThe ''different humanoids each enginereed for a environment'' could be good inspiration for making subraces
>>65658197Sharovipteryx mixed with a raptor could be interesting dragon alternative.>>65624870
>>65611262My setting has EVIL FISH PEOPLE too.
>>65662413I seen them done as monitor lizards, but could be neat to have some silly dragon like creatures evolve on different parts of the world.
>>65662413Here is some drawin concepts how such dragons could look if you give them bat like wings, of course could also give them wings made of ribs and elongated single finger.
>>65629562>Stealing Mother Nature's ideas.Anon, how could you, after all she's done?
>>65665958I like pic related (dunno if same guy) for a four legged dragon.BTW i decided to make wyverns and dragons different orders>Dragons has four legs and wings on the back or the side>Wyvern has two legs and the front limbs became wings>Dragon looks like a crocodile, lizzard or dinossaur>Wyvern has a pterosaur look but with no beak>Dragons sleep laying down in dens or in the ground, they only fly for short periods of time (More like gliding) when they need to reach a high place or get somewhere fast>Wyverns sleep perched up (Maybe upside down like bats), they spent a lot of time flying and are awkward on land
>>65667351Well shitty drawing was done by me just now but that dragon is neat looking.
>>65667394.I have been thinking about breath weapons other than fire breathing; i came up with a explanation for the green dragon's gas breath (Two chemicals stored in different glands that are combine to produce a reaction, sorta like what happens with bleach and ammonia), any ideas for how the eletric attack of the blue dragon could work ?My understanding is that all animals with eletric attacks live underwater where they can stun every animal around them; for a terrestrial animal i have been thinking about giving him taser-like spines
>>65667661You could probably have electric attack as part of a grapple?
>>65667696Would work, i was thinking of the spines so that it could have some ranged attack like other dragonsBut the grapple could work, since they are ambush predators who burrow under the sand
>>65610037crabfolk best folk
>>65665958>Of course could also give them wings made of ribs and elongated single finger.I like the Idea of a Pterosaur like hind legs wings mixed with the rib wings It would remind me of the flying wing design that can be found in planes. Also because the center of mass would need to be way back the tail would be either elongated or thicker to compensate for the center of lift being shifted closer to the back. I would prefere the long tail because the Sharovipteryx-dragon could have a devastating whip attack, maybe even some prehensility>>65667351Would the smaller draconoids be based around the Yi Qi? Because with a few minor things it could be a basilisk. I posted a picture of it earlier here >>65615486 but it wouldn't hurt if I posted one again.Also what do you anons think about replacing birds that evolved from Archaeopteryx with Yi Qi descended ones?Also I'll link a video that talks a bit about the hypothetical evolution of Dragons.https://youtu.be/Gnt5wIVjFS0
>>65667891Why not sea scorpions?
>>65669466>Would the smaller draconoids be based around the Yi QiSome wyverns might be (Wyvern is a order with all sort of species rather than a single species).
>>65616486> Metal working>While only having tentacles as manipulators Miss me with that gay shit
>>65671259You could make simple spring operated metal working machines, since IRL we do have those.
Dropping some plant/insest looking monsters
>>65672406Who else remembers that thing with fused legs from Expedition by Barlowe/alien planet?Fuck it I'm just going to link the movie.https://youtu.be/mS3mbKvSVDI
>>65672597I loved that thing, but I really loved the sentient gas bag
>>65610037As long as they’ve got fat dinosaur cocks and they turn out some lusty human babes, I’m game
>>65672940Did dinosaurs even have cocks? Do we know anyhthing at all about dino junk?
>>65673072Shut up Aussy
>>65673209Probably looked like reptile dongs and kept inside the cloaca, it's also possible they barely had a penis and just locked cloacas together like most birds and tuataras; they might also have had more external penises like ostriches and certain birds (Ducks have long corckscrew penises).Keep in mind it does not necessarily have to be huge just because the animal is; gorillas have one inch penises.
>>65674079>gorillas have one inch penises
>>65647403My first thought seeing those was that the dinosaur was a full sized adult and the ferns were trees.
>>65674259Basically they are so badass in other ways large penis is not needed. >>65673209Also answer to this is yes - and quite horrifyings one at that - just look at ducks.
>>65660432>bimbofication of the class reptiliaThat is the most bizarre description of the evolution of mammals I have EVER heard.
>>65674850Stegossaurs and Ankylossaurs would have the weirdest penises, how would they mount when their back and long tail are filled with spikes ?Probably had a super long dick possibly barbed and/or prehensile for extra stability.
>>65673072Actually yes. Thylacoleo was pretty much everything a people described about drop bears and more. If the abboshadn't fucked it all up for everyone I can only image the memes people would come up with about Aussie megafauna. Would've probably done wonders for the ecosystem too. Feral hogs and cats would've probably never gotten a foothold if these things and megalania were still kicking about.
>>65674259>when the dong doesn't expand like you thought it would
>>65676092The downside is that you would have giant murder dragons and actual drop bears roaming the countryside. If it ain't the abbos killing off what people would see as the land's monsters, it's whatever other peoples that make their way down there. Polynesians, Melanesians, Malays, Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese, Spanish, English, Germans, Japanese, whatever. Abbos just got to them first.
>>65677257Some long disproven knee-jerk assumption made by an impatient and overexcited archeologist that didn't realize the skull was on it's fucking side.
>>65677818That's what happens when an Archeologist does a palentologist's job.
>>65676407Not seeing a problem with having drop bears and murder dragons. I will however concede the point that settlers would've probably killed them too. But I'd like to think at the settlers would at least have the decency not to slash and burn the countryside and kill the other massive ass Aussie animals to do it.
>>65674259Many animals that use the harem mating strategy don't have very impressive penises; they ensure reproductive success by just beating up other males for the right to exclusive access
>>65624870>insects with metal exoskelletons (because this is a thing IRL)Any examples ?I never heard of that, sounds interesting
>>65662090Partial inspiration for the thing. That and the Lavellan.>>65645194More or less, yeah. Just with one minor difference: toxic saliva that causes numbness in the limbs, like the venom present in some species of shrews.>>65643615Party wipe? No, a party wipe wouldn't leave as much an impact. Party was tasked with cleaning out a couple bandit camps that'd been harassing trade caravans by a local lord, decent bounty on every bandit they slew (doubled if they brought back the leader, dead or alive). Camps were in two locations, one by a swampy dock, and one on an island further into the lake. First camp was relatively easy for them, though one bandit attempted to flee by swimming to the island. Got ambushed by something in the water, it pulled the bandit under after a brief struggle, nothing surfacing afterwards. Players were wary, but decided to head along to the next camp on the island thanks to a decently sized boat on the docks, one with some stolen supplies and coin loaded in it already.They headed towards the island and made landfall away from where they expected the second camp to be, made an off-hand comment about what seemed to be a pair of otters trailing their boat for a bit after they left shore, moving off once the animals noticed commotion in the water. They made landfall some distance away from where they expected the bandit camp to be, trying to sneak up on the camp. As they approached, they heard screams. Finally getting to the camp, they found it mostly deserted. Mostly, save for three bloody trails leading into the water, a severed arm at the start of one of those trails. A fourth trail led to one of the bandits' tents, where they heard moaning and sobbing as they approached. Bandit was clutching a bleeding stump of one leg, with the other leg missing a chunk from his calf, clearly bitten off. Bandit kept sobbing that he couldn't feel his legs, eventually losing consciousness from the shock and blood loss.(cont.)
>>65680467Two players wanted to nope the fuck out of there, three decided to at least try and find the leader to collect the bounty on him. All agreed that splitting would be the worst idea, and so they traveled deeper inland, following a set of tracks leading out from the camp. Tracked down the bandit leader, exhausted and shocked, but sound enough to know he was outmatched. He asked to parley, agreeing to let them take him in so long as he gets off the island and away from the beasts he called lochwolves. Hearing from him what the legends around these lake monsters were, they high-tailed it to the boat they took. Along the way they kept hearing strange clicking sounds, sounds getting closer and closer as they approach the shore.Finally at their boat, they see something moving behind it. Hair like an otter, larger than a wolf, with the jaws of a crocodile, long as a person's leg, making that same clicking sound they were hearing. Bandit leader looks like he's about to start screaming, when players decide to bum-rush the animal. It gets a good bite in on one of the players' arms, and that's where they learn the legend of the lochwolf's deadly bite isn't as much exaggeration as one would hope. Player loses use of that arm for the remainder of the encounter, taking a penalty to rolls with his longsword. They manage to chase it off after one gets it in the neck with her crossbow and another is able to stab it in the side with his spear. The commotion of the encounter caused the clicking sounds to grow louder, with commotion in the water stirring as they get in the boat. They row as fast as they can. It's not fast enough. Jaws bite at the boat as the players try to fend the pack off, only thing that finally does the trick is one player's grenades (Greek Fire bombs) setting the water behind them ablaze.(cont.)
>>65680482Even ashore though two more lochwolves are able to chase after. The end of the second encounter is much more bloody, player with the numb arm letting one bite it off just so he could get a good stab into its skull, another getting bit in the leg and almost dragged into the water, saved only thanks to a spear getting lodged into the beast's side so it'd let her go. Only one player actually died in the encounter, and that was partially by choice, partially because she knew she couldn't keep up when they tried to run. Let the lochwolves get ashore and used their other grenade to set herself and the beasts ablaze.Players have feared me mentioning lakes ever since.
>>65680437Linguamyrmex vladi is the best example (pic related).Some insects have an ovipositor reinforced with metal. Parasitic wasps as an example.
>>65680553Can a similar reinforcement happen to larger animals ?I have been thinking of dragons with a special tooth-like organ that makes sparks and incorporates some kind of mineral
>>65680666>Those digitsDunkleosteus confirmed for satan's fishAnd the post bellow got a 777, kek
>>65680787>Dunkleosteus confirmed for satan's fishThe fish was named after David Dunkle. If you switch the letters l and e you would get Dunkel-osteus the dunkel part meaning dark in german. The osteus part means just bone in greek. The Dark Bone.
Top-tier ideas. Good shit in here, love it. Good to see /tg/ can still get shit done.
>>65675942You sure? I think they could have done it by basically standing rear to rear.
>>65680777>I have been thinking of dragons with a special tooth-like organ that makes sparks and incorporates some kind of mineralPiezoelectricity exists. It could just keep Piezoelectric crystals instead of using a flint like organ. A piezoelectric crystal just needs to be squeezed to produce a spark.When it comes to vertebrates I can't recal any IRL case of this happening (not including calcium that is already in the bones). You could always make them live in an metal rich enviroment so they would start to incorporate it into their skin/bone structure.
>>65680553>Linguamyrmex vladi> vladi> metal spike
>>65681650It would even fit the whole ''dragons love gems thing''
>>65610037I am surprised no one posted these yet
I know "just use prehistoric animals instead of monsters bruh" is hardly a unique concept, but seeing things like >>65680482 which are situations I've literally had in my games nearly word for word makes me feel so creatively bankrupt>>65686745I used these things as the generic pack beasts of the dominating nation. When it got killed in an ambush, the party animal wrangler had part of it's shell gilded and reinforced into a shield.
>>65680467>>65680482>>65680490Holy crap dude.
>>65680467>>65680482>>65680490This reads like a horror story. Nice.
>>65690118It is just logical to be scared of eocenian murder logs
>>65632545Based post. Crocodilimorphs are super fascinating.
>>65680925Literally jackshit was done and the idea is lame. Nothing is coming out of it.
>>65681650>>65680777there are those snails who hae a shell made of iron and use iron to strenghten other parts of their bodyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaly-foot_gastropodBeavers also have iron in their teeth
Bump for interest.
>>65694007Then help us make some shit. Ideas are here laid down before you just take one and run with it.Prove that magical realm fags aren't only ones that can make stuff.
We got some art in bits so let me ask you this, since we got some ideas already for: "goblins">>65630728"water beasts">>65638894 >>65632746some "people" >>65631012some "pack mules" >>65687024Ogres/bears/something huge>>65645470Mounts and battle beast>>65659460about any other things that need to be drawn for the start of a country?Something akin to orcs? Or some form of humanoid stand in to use as most common creature? (Or shall we go full speculitive biology and put in some therapsids that become "humans"?)
>>65698790>Or shall we go full speculitive biology and put in some therapsids that become "humans"?I like the idea of using therapsids as a race. Gorgonops would make a decent "Orc" race.Here some Ideas I had:-We could use some Drepanosaurus descended species as some kind of tree dwelling race. It has a tail spike so it could be interesting.-Therizinosaurus (pic related) could be also considered as Ogres/bears/something huge. Also giant claws.-For some sea monsters it would be good to take some Eurypterid.-Mononykus could be the equivalent of a rat.-Also the goblin dinos could be riding terror birds.-The Paraceratherium could be something akin to a war elephant.-Meganeura taking a similar niche to a hawk.-Yi Qi and Sharovipteryx being either dragons and/or an bird analogue.-Also more developed Parietal eyes on certain reptiles would be cool.
>>65699467Will admit the orcs based on gorgonopsids are hard to pull off, so might redo it if requests come in. Other then that tried few other races of sentientish people before starting on other stuff - so for now ogre stand in with giant sloths in colder areas (perhaps cold north and such) with the dino you offered being good choice for classic "lizardmen" local of jungles. Then got the goblinoid dino on it's mount and a small addition from myself - a mixture of armadilosuchus and few of it's vegetarian reletives to create a race that is primary farmers being plant eaters and all.
>>65646359Oh, and they raise other sloths as lives stock.
>>65699467Now I just imagine highly evolved reptiles with three eyes that are form of psions perhaps?Which is to say all those ideas could lead to some fun looking results - like some species of sea scorpions that was aquatic intelligent creatures that reside at the bottom of the sea....On related note - should one make map of this world and perhaps make it really wet since well....water got a lot to offer
>>65700334And they got some fungus or sea weed that they use for disguise like ones of nowdays. Maybe there are ones in cold places that have especially thick fur with some food they grow on their fur?
>>65680925Bumping cause we need more people to stop shitposting about fucking elf ears or whatever they are doing and join in on making shit.
>>65699648The Armadillo-crocs realy don't seem to me like a race that would be realy fond of monarchy (to me atleast). May I suggest a Peasant Republic mixed with the the theocratic population contol aspect from earlier.Dithmarschen is the only example of a peasant republic that I know of.Some history for context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithmarschen#History
>>65705981I haven't though of their ruling form, I just drew them as farmers cause that works, but sure that would work since let's face it - everyone of them has armor and weapons, they aren't really afraid of knights.
>>65698790There's always the little everyday animals you see around that add flavor to the world. Instead of catching fish in the river, have them catch diplocaulus. Build a campfire to roast one of these little fuckers that are everywhere, breed like rabbits, and get into everything the second you turn around, instead of actual rabbits. Hunt Moa instead of deer, etc.
>>65707401look at this dopey fuckerthis pancake-faced weirdoI love it
>>65707813Could also have ceratopsians as humanoids since early on they were bipeds.
>>65713844Their head shield could be a sign of dimorphism like it was IRL or something marking someones status in society.
>>65610037How about an Indominus rex race? A sapient t-rex sized race with hands.
>>65716072Indomunus was kinda shit Frankenstein monster, you could put together a much more awesome sentient race out of what nature got to offer.I myself would have given it some armor like armadillo, tail club and maybe explosive glands like bomber bug.
>>65714754It's annoying that ceratopsians had quills, so they would make bad mounts.
>>65718011You could always cut the quills periodicaly, breed selectively for the lack of quills or just use them as livestock.Also any use for the Longisquama (pic related)?
>>65612167Aren't all demons meant to be goats?
Who /Ordovician/ here?
*Blocks your stream*
>>65610037Why not a field of singing crystal, or an intelligent algae bloom. Maybe a parasitic brain worm that connects to your systems and in exchange allows you greater control over your body and its functions.
>>65629647No, because they're ruining what could be a cool idea.
>>65718640No, all demons are meant to be small snakes. Goat relation was added later on by fan fic writers.
>>65667351You should make them less thick limbed, unless they're just for show.
>>65718995I did not make the pic, i got it from another thread as a example of a four legged dragon with wings that are not a third set of limbs
>>65676407>>65679435Yea fuck abbos. Only race i'm okay with genociding because of this.
I came up with something horrible ,but I'm not sure if it is nightmare fuel worthy.What do you think anons?Gigantoraptor + Australian Magpie + Shrike
>>65723758Mixing anything with a Shrike is nightmarish.
>>65723758Maybe some voice mimicry would be nice. A hunter than mimics its prey to lure it closer.
>>65725045What on earth is a shrike?
>>65734405A small, predatory bird whose hunting method consists of finding prey, grabbing it with its talons, and then impaling the prey on something sharp so the bird can eat the prey at its leisure, often just taking chunks at a time and returning when it's hungry. Insects, mice, lizards, anything in that relative size range, all get fucking impaled on whatever the bird can find.
>>65612167I always liked the one interpretation that they were evolved from deer.
>>65734516Ah...ya give it to a creature and make two versions, one that is a monster other that is sentient humanoid and then you will get a sadist race that is closest thing to an all evil race ever.
>>65629647Excluding the obvious anime waifu fapbait, monstrous creatures with human features should be allowed. If we're sticking with just female examples, then we have dryads, sirens, selkies, gorgons, harpies, and etc. to have inspiration from. Whats a good jumping off point to have a non-seductive femine monster?
>>65615486ThisRecently got into speculative evolution and it’s great for unique monsters
>>65615486>>65737158Terryl Whitlatch's stuff is also pretty good, I have two of her books, would recommend>Animals Real and Imagined>Science of Creature Design
>>65736201Like the Idea of having one monster and one race. Would there be some kind of relation between them? Would the race describe the monster as "majestic", would it be worshiped and given sacrifices or would it be hunted down.For the monster I would still use the Gigantoraptor as a base but I would give it some sort of camouflage feather colouration and a shrike like head with teeth.For the race I had an Idea for something they would use during times of war. They would carry behind them a cart full of sharp stakes to impale people on the go. The cart would be used to break enemy morale even before the battle begins. Also it serves as the food storage.THE SHISH KEBAB IS PEOPLE.A Shrike in action for anyone wondering.https://youtu.be/okQYO10MT3c>>65737158For some reason there is a lot of killer bats in speculative evolution.
>>65739096Ya, spiky battle field prepared by flying enemies is a horrifying concept.
>>65659489They couldn't run very far though because of carrier's constraint*, so they'd be impressive mounts but not very practical.*it's when animals with legs on the sides instead of under their bodies have to compress one lung and expand the other because of the way they twist their bodies when they run
Ignore the filename, I changed my mind.The ancestor is a very simple, squishy acid-spitting worm with paddles.The descendant has a longer digestive tract, specialized, squishy fingers, and a eyes and a brain. Eyes are flat against two flaps on the side of the head. It needs to be vigilant while moving (if it sees danger it can dunk and sort of drape it's foul guts over itself) but it needs to be able to gauge depth for shooting acid, so it can move these flaps forward to merge the fields of vision and get vision like ours, or move them back to spread it's field of vision like a prey animal.
>>65741997The descendant doesn't have a name yet, btw.
What kind of armor, weapons & tools would a mustelid based race use?
>>65737158Sphinxes could be like pic related but with flying squirrel flaps to glide between treesAlso they can be taught simple patterns in speech and to recognize commands; wich is were the riddles comes from (They may not actually understand the riddle, just wich words are the right answer and to not attack people who say the right one)
>>65610037Found more freaks of nature that have something interesting about them.>Barreleye fish - something that has a translucent head and eyes deep inside of said head (pic related).>Glass frog - A translucent frog.>Common basilisk aka. the Jesus Christ lizard - runs on water.>A shitton of different things - Bioluminescence.>The Frilled-necked lizard - as the name says it has a frilled neck.>Japanese flying squid - a squid that glides above the water (you could try to make it fly with some tweaking).>Calyptra - Vampire moth.Some examples of the creatures I thougt up.>A basilisk lizard the flesh and organs of which are translucent but the bones are bioluminescent. Esentialy glow in the dark skeleton lizards that run across the water.>A flying squid that apears like a sea wraith because of the fact that it is translucent and bioluminescent.>A Creature of which flesh and bones are translucent but the internal organs look like they are rotting. The creature also releases a foul smell of rotting flesh to discourage predators from aproaching.We need some more strange and WTF creatures so post some strange things you find so we can mix those traits and create something truly metal/awesome.
>>65610037I like races that are extremely removed from human evolution, kind of like the Elder things and Mi-gu. They should be so bizarre people think they're a monster at first, and shouldn't speak common but be intelligent enough to try and express that they're peaceful.