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    229 KB GunPunk? Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:25 No.6330023  
    I'm really not sure what else to call the setting.

    Think Trigun or Wild Arms (in b4 "get back to /v/ or /a/). Western-flavored setting where guns are as much a status symbol as they are a weapon. Each one is hand-tooled, a work of art, and wearing one broadcasts to everyone nearby "Yes, I am a gunslinger, an artisan with a firearm. Watch yourself."

    Or, alternately, "I am a dandy from New York that has too much money, too little sense, and I will not live through the week."

    Could this work, /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:26 No.6330044
    Very much yes.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:28 No.6330056
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    Yes. And I would play it.

    Gun Generation should be as detailed as Character Generation.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:28 No.6330062
    I'd play it.

    hell, I'd play the dandy.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:29 No.6330067
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    Why is that caster so damn sexy? It's a magical grenade launcher.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:30 No.6330073
    That's actually a badass idea.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:31 No.6330082
    It would work pretty well.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:31 No.6330083
    Isn't that type of setting called wild west? Also not really a punk, it's more of the cultural background rather than a techno background for the most part.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:31 No.6330084
    I find guns erotic, particularly rifles. Anything that glorifies them or turns them into a symbol of social importance is fine by me.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:31 No.6330087
    This sounds like a great idea. I'd play the hell out of it.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:31 No.6330088
    i'd play it
    hell, i'd even buy it
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:32 No.6330096
    A big fuckoff Colt Dagoon. Find me a picture of on /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:32 No.6330103
    Guns aren't really important in Wild West stuff, since everybody and their mother has one.

    It could be -punk with the proper stylings.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:33 No.6330110
    OP here.

    I feel like the kids in the Life cereal commercial... Mikey likes it! Or /tg/, in this case.

    So let's do this thing, /tg/. What kind of ruleset would work best for this unnamed setting?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:34 No.6330122

    Weird West would be more appropriate, given the magic gun things.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:34 No.6330124
    There would have to be something setting aside firearms to prevent them from simply proliferating like crazy and losing their luster. Caster-style weirdness could help, making guns expensive and difficult to maintain and repair, with expensive ammunitions that not every joe can afford, or even find.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:35 No.6330134
    I hate to go weaboo here... but then, Trigun, Wild Arms, it's been breached. I'm getting a Wakizashi sort of vibe from the guns here - like carrying them sets the person apart as a superior class. Not quite the same, but similar concept.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:35 No.6330135
    I was going to say Spirit of the Century would be great for this, but the more I think about it the more I'm thinking it wouldn't work that well at all. There'd need to be a system with a way for different people to specialize in guns in completely different ways (like in Trigun, where the party had Vash as a speed/precision shooter with a special handgun, Merle as a user of lots of small guns, Milly as a specialist with less-than-lethal firearms, and Wolfwood as a Heavy Weapons guy).

    This means you'd need a system where specializing in one type of gun means more than just a +1 to that gun and a -1 to other guns, and moreover the guns themselves would need some sort of specialization in the form of a gadget system of some sort.

    I'm not sure there's a system that can do it well... but fuck I really want one that does.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:36 No.6330149
    But if guns are a status symbol, then everybody and their mother would have one. Else ammo would cost an arm and a leg, as there aren't enough out there to qualify insane mass production of it.
    >> gv 10/18/09(Sun)20:38 No.6330164

    sounds cool, but how about making a post-post-post-apocalyptic 'gunslinger' type future, where the art of gunmaking has almost been lost? that'd be a cool excuse to make guns rare artifacts, or even put the production of new ones into the hands of monks or religious cults/sects.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:39 No.6330175
    This, though Weird West is often considered to be a subgenre of Steampunk because timeline overlap (the Wild West and Victorian eras ended roughly at the same time, and Weird West normally picks up after introducing trains to the mix).
    >> LaBambaMan 10/18/09(Sun)20:40 No.6330187
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:40 No.6330188
    Perhaps mix in some elements from Der Freischütz ('The Marksman') an Opera based on a German folktale that recounts the story of a young hunter who bargains with the devil for magic bullets.
    Of course, he can never miss and plans wins the hand of his beloved in a shooting competition. However the last bullet is controlled by the devil and it's only by the redeeming power of their pure love that the bullet misses the girl's heart.

    Happy end now, but devil-bullets/guns are the way to go.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:40 No.6330196
    The term you're looking for is "daisho", which was a combination of wakizashi and katana.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:40 No.6330198
    I'm getting a Dark Tower-esque Gunslinger vibe here.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:41 No.6330207
    >post-post-post-apocalyptic 'gunslinger' type future

    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:42 No.6330220
    Totally, Wild ARMs 3 was great.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:43 No.6330242
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    The omission of Grenadier in this thread is unforgivable. As a punishment, Grenadier.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:43 No.6330243
    How about this:

    There's nothing supernatural about the guns. There's just very few people with the patience to sit down and craft a gun, especially since assembly-line gun production is a hanging offense... as is building a gun within 5 miles of a city.

    The propellant, however, is mystical. The exact formula is only known to those that go on a vision quest, and those that try to copy it... well... it goes badly.
    >> Iron Handed 10/18/09(Sun)20:43 No.6330246
    with maybe wild wild west style steam vehicles and an evil guy missing his complete lower anatomy?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:44 No.6330255
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    needs more mythical swords reforged as hand cannons.
    >> gv 10/18/09(Sun)20:45 No.6330261

    well, post or not, putting production of guns into monasteries might be a good solution of OP. it's a good excuse for them to be rare, ornate, and status symbols/symbols of office.

    how about instead of post-apocalyptic, it's a terrible satire-future where us dirty libruls won, no one is allowed to have guns, and the last hope of liberty and freedom lies with the gunslinging monks of the church or rand?
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)20:45 No.6330269
    I'd play it. that's what I love about the armory books for Shadowrun or the equipment section for Iron Kingdoms. My current Iron Kingdoms character has a serric steel double barreled Vanar Liberator that very nearly needs to be mounted on wheels.

    I put silencers on it :3
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)20:46 No.6330276
    hurrah for cleavage reloading.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:47 No.6330289
    Spycraft, though it is a bit rules heavy.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)20:50 No.6330323
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    oh really now?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:50 No.6330330
    Magic bullets, ordinary (or purely just infamous) guns and gunslingers.

    The plot writes itself - 'The Bullet that cannot miss' is the McGuffin all parties are after, especially in a world with 'Anti-Bullet Bullets' and 'Home-Wreckers'.'
    >> Kyle the Wanderer !!L25rlnCH+xk 10/18/09(Sun)20:51 No.6330337
    Add a magical way of making bullets...

    Gunslingers could be the samurai/ronin of the setting
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:51 No.6330343
    "Objectivism is not a topic to be set aside lightly. It is a topic to be thrown aside with great force."

    tl;dr - FUCK YOU.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)20:53 No.6330355
    Indeed, a gunslinger could be recognized just as quickly by the cleaning and loading gear he carried with him (doubtlessly immaculate and in some sort of characteristic case) as by the iron he carries. And of course some weapons would be ancestral, much like a Holland and Holland or similar heirloom arms are today.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)20:54 No.6330368
    epic scenario.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:54 No.6330373
    Guns don't have to be rare. SPECIAL guns, on the other hand, would have to be rare. Anyone can get an assembly line equalizer, but few would have the luck, skill, or resources to come into the possession of a truly special weapon. A character's backstory would have to explain how they got their capital G Gun and what separates their Gun from a lower-case g gun would have to be worked out in chargen. Superscience ("My Gun was built by Nicola Tesla. It uses gas pressure to spin a small dynamo that drives a coil around the barrel to help accelerate the round."), mysticism ("My Gun was built by Sam Colt himself, and fires the condensed guilt of people shot by lawmen."), or whatever else you can think of should be doable (and encouraged), and it means ordinary folk can keep their ordinary guns without having to bend the setting over backwards to make its thematic conceit work.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:55 No.6330379
    OP here.
    So - what I have so far is:
    Gunslingers are a sort of samurai (or ronin) ersatz. They are the only ones capable of wielding guns - not just because of determination or skill, but because the gun chooses its wielder. Also because only a gunslinger who has gone on a vision quest can craft bullets.

    I want to work the Dead Man's Gun into this setting somehow.
    >> Kyle the Wanderer !!L25rlnCH+xk 10/18/09(Sun)20:56 No.6330397
    Put some feudal elements in there.

    Feudalism makes every setting better.
    >> Kyle the Wanderer !!L25rlnCH+xk 10/18/09(Sun)20:57 No.6330405
    Continuing...thought about this after that post.

    Make it feudal Japan, with guns and a Victorian feel.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:57 No.6330408
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    This thread needs the Saint of Killers.

    A man so bad is hate froze hell before he capped the devil in the dome.

    He slaughtered God and all his angels for no reason other then they failed the world.

    He possesses a pair of Walker Colt revolvers fashioned from the Angel of Death's sword. They possess unlimited ammunition, never jamming or needing to be reloaded. They always hit their mark.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:58 No.6330413
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    Cities are like Greek City-States in that they each govern themselves and vary greatly, yet have similar (if not identical) languages and religions. All firearms in cities are registered and strictly controlled; the penalties for having illegal weapons are usually very harsh.

    Towns are technically under the jursdiction of the closest city, but are usually difficult to access and are left to their own devices. They genrally adhere to one of two policies: 1) all weapons must be turned in to the sheriff while their owners are in town, or 2) just don't shoot a local and or inside a building and everything is cool.

    In between the scattered areas of human settlement are vast wastelands and desserts teaming with slavers and bandits. The only way to cross is in numbers and heavily armed.

    DO NOT GO INTO THE MOUNTAINS. And don't ask why.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:59 No.6330418

    take your mary sue elsewhere, please.

    it's getting authorwank all over the carpet.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)20:59 No.6330422

    Oh, and pic only related if death rays are allowed.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:00 No.6330426
    In my setting, you can't enchant a gun with arcane magic, but you can get one blessed with divine magic.

    What's the difference? Fuck all.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:00 No.6330431
    No, no, let's do this Tolkien style:

    "Back when the west was much wilder than it is now, twelve revolvers were made by a master gunsmith as the culmination of his life's work. These guns were perfect: finely-machined, balanced, accurate and nigh-indestructible they swiftly became much sort-after in the wake of the smith's death. A great shoot-out occurred and the guns were seized by the victorious.
    Now, two decades later, the twelve gun wander the land on the hips of twelve master gunslingers, each prized from the dead hands of a previous owner.
    You are one of those gunslingers, this is your land. Go get!"
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:01 No.6330443

    I dunno about the "Gun choosing its wielder" bit, but a psychological basis for the guns working would be cool.

    How about this: Guns in the setting are only made by special artisans who hand-make every gun independently, weaving special magic/alchemy/whatever into the individual parts.

    The guns are, effectively, parasitic: they live off of the person who wields them. What they take from you depends on the gun; some might sap your life, some take memories, some take willpower. So only the strongest (or those with the least to lose) are willing to take up these weapons and use them; and when every shot eats away at you a little bit more, you learn to spare ammunition.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:02 No.6330449
    Feudalism means that the setting loses possibilities. Each class has a very specific thing it's supposed to be doing, and a member of a given class isn't doing its Very Specific Thing they're a threat to the social order. If you're a serf in medieval Europe and you get your hands on a suit of armor, the general assumption will be that you killed someone and took their armor.

    While this can make for SOME stories, the range of stories possible in such a setting is much more narrow than it needs to be. This is why most game settings tend to be organized in a very modern way relative to the real world with feudal elements only in isolated regions.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:02 No.6330450
    Elf guns and shells are grown, dwarf guns and shells are crafted, gnome guns and shells are WILLED INTO SHAPE.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:03 No.6330452
    Loving this.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:04 No.6330461
    >implying gnomes wouldn't be the only race capable of crafting guns
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:06 No.6330478

    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:06 No.6330484
    Now I'm no weeaboo, but I feel like a bit of Japan influence could be healthy for this..
    >> Kynan !!v/mzHmaV2D7 10/18/09(Sun)21:07 No.6330493
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    This sounds familiar...
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:07 No.6330494
    Why does the setting have to have ONLY special guns? Why not have Super Special Guns for some and normal assembly line crap for the normal folk? The Only Super Special Guns Exist line of reasoning just warps the setting unnecessarily with people finding excuses for why there are bullets or why Super Special Guns exist at all instead of normal guns. Just include normal guns in the setting as well and all those flimsy constructions you guys are working with go away. People with Super Special Guns are still the focus of the setting AND you don't have to rape internal consistency to make it work.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:07 No.6330497
    Whenever the Saint of Killers wanks off he sticks his guns in both his mouths and his anus. One night he was so incensed by a fantasy he had about two young cherubs having his way with him that he accidentally pulled both triggers. His corpse was later found by his effeminate sissy boy servant later that evening
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:08 No.6330505
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    Can I has one?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:09 No.6330513
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    Steampunk George Washington likes this thread.

    There are a dozen-plus ways this could evolve, but I love them all.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:09 No.6330514
    Literally, awesome.
    Just have 12 (maybe 21) perfect guns. The PCs are the inheritors of these guns and the others are, of course, the mid-bosses and BBEGs of the setting.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:09 No.6330518
    Because I love you /tg/

    Starting with the second post
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:09 No.6330519
    I think the Japanese influence should stop at Gunslingers=samurai.
    You're not the first to suggest that.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:09 No.6330521
    I feel like guns should be rare, but not super rare. I can't think up a good comparison at the moment, though.

    So what've you got on the list then? Revolvers, lever-action rifles, break-action shotguns? Anything more fantastical come to mind?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:10 No.6330522
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    this could be pretty damn awesome if it's done right.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:11 No.6330531
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    lever action pistols?
    >> Iron Handed 10/18/09(Sun)21:12 No.6330544
    needs to be a western setting, and be sure to include the ending scene from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid in there, it will make for an epic moment in game.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:12 No.6330548
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    pocket utility pistols?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:12 No.6330553

    Fuck yeah! Maybe have lever-action shotguns: they hold more ammunition than the break-action versions, but are more prone to fucking up the paper shell?

    That might be too faggy, though.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:12 No.6330555
    54 guns. Fifty-two perfect machines of justice, death, or mere accuracy... and the two Wild Cards.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:13 No.6330561
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    What about rifles?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:14 No.6330567

    Shit, I didn't even read the OP.
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    lady's ring pepperboxes?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:14 No.6330569
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    Girl Genius style death rays and weaponry.

    Noisy cricket.

    A gun that ate the dog-dog fruit.

    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:15 No.6330581
    So, is it The West, the Alternate 'Weird' West, JRPG/Anime 'West-World' or something else?

    Personally, I loved Godhand's western pastiche. All the cliches, none of the tying to hold onto historic realism.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:15 No.6330583
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    belt cannons?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:15 No.6330584
    Like Samurai but guns and not swords. Its a great setting but system is everything. Defenitly, and I assume you have, watch Trigun all the way through. Maybe some Clint Eastwood stuff as well.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:15 No.6330586
    Go all chinese and make it 108.
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    spanish triple revolvers?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:16 No.6330592
    Unknown Armies could work for this. Each PC would have an artifact gun, either made by a master Mechanomancer or was present at some significant event in history. John Wilkes Booth's pistol could be a major artifact for having been the implement of Abraham Lincoln usurping Jesus as Archetype of the Martyr, for example.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:17 No.6330597
    Remember, there was a time IRL when there were guns, but no mass-production. They were all made by hand by gunsmiths.

    But let's compromise. Lets say that for years, artisans had been making these special guns; but just recently you have people coming up with ideas like mass production and normal gunpowder.

    Now, all of a sudden anyone can have a gun, with enough money; sure it's not as powerful, but it's not eating away at your mind either. It would be an interesting conflict to have, as these "ronin" gunslingers are being phased out by the sheer numbers produced by new technology.
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:17 No.6330602
    What the penis?
    >> Iron Handed 10/18/09(Sun)21:17 No.6330604
    Gattling guns for heavy enemies and occasional use, maybe some sort of blessed rifle with accuracy bonus as well as power and master crafted iron sights to act as a sniper rifle?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:18 No.6330607
    Handheld gatling versions of all three.
    Flamethrowers of varying sizes.
    Guns disguised as muscial instruments, holy symbols ect.
    Sniping rifles larger than the person firing them.
    Swordguns, axeguns ect.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:18 No.6330612
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    revolving rifles?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:19 No.6330617
    I like the deck-o-cards idea. For some reason Western always screams "Playing Cards" to me.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:19 No.6330622
    Different stats for speed, accuracy, etc?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:19 No.6330625
    Eladrin crystal guns that are incredibly destructive but hurt like hell when you fire them and gnome guns that require ammo, but don't kill you and have wider applications.
    >> Iron Handed 10/18/09(Sun)21:21 No.6330637
    maybe some sort of calibre dependant variation, so sya smaller calibre rounds can be fired more rapidly so say 3 a turn but do less damage, normal calibre fires maybe 2 a turn and does normal damage and large calibre fires 1 every 1 or 2 turns but does a shit load of damage?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:22 No.6330655

    I like the 54 super-guns idea. They are the Archeotechs, the perfect weapons.

    Every other 'special' gun, even those with nearly the same level of quality, are copies of one or more of those guns.

    To own a real one is to wield to power of a god; but it is extremely difficult to discover their authenticity.

    The different sects, religions, and schools that forge new weapons devote themselves to one or two of the designs (which are kept on ancient manuscripts and passed down from master to master).
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:22 No.6330658

    same way you tell apart members of any other character class: playstyle and ridiculous equipment.

    that whip-pistol is especially flavourful.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)21:23 No.6330663
    Colt... Winchester... Deringer... every man alive today knows these names. Some praise them as gods, some damn them as devils, but all know them and, love or hate, still respect them.

    Such is the way of life for one like me. The feel of cold steel in a clenched fist, the tension of a finger on a trigger, the rush as a bullet screams from the barrel towards a target. I live for these.

    Some say that only certain souls can handle a gun, that a gun chooses who fires it, or that every shot fired drains a man of health and will and memory until the last life a gun takes is the one who wields it. Fairytales, says I. If anything has drained me, it is the pain of seeing men become fools when a gun is put in unskilled hands.

    I am a Gunman, and the pistol in my hand is my only companion. To me, the crack of a shot is sweeter than a lover's whisper, and the pain of a bullet like an angel's kiss.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:24 No.6330669
    OP here. Let's get writefaggin'.

    The Guns were crafted decades ago. No one knows when, exactly, because it was never written. The first one came to light sixty-three years ago, and you can trace all of them to back around that time. Except for the two, but that's besides the point. As soon as you have a Gun - and you know how to use it - you are set apart. You are a Gunslinger.

    Each one is a work of art. Each one is passed from master to student, or from loser to winner, when a Gunslinger is taken down by someone with a slugtosser and enough luck on his side. Having a Gun doesn't make you invincible - just damn near it. Remember that.

    Over the years, each of the guns has taken on two nicknames. The first is always based on their most known `slinger, or their defining traits. Thunder. The Red Revolver. Stark's Gun. And then, there's its other name... the Five of Clubs. The Queen of Diamonds. The Ace of Hearts. Whoever came up with the deck analogy was an odd one, but it stuck.

    And then... then there are the Jokers. The Black Joker, the Dead Man's Gun, that is always found on a corpse. No man who carries the Black Joker will die in a firefight, but they will never pass the gun to a student. And the Red Joker... you can never pin that one down. It's almost a myth.

    And yes. One day, you will carry the legacy of Tesla. One day, you will pack the Dynamo in your holster, spitting steel and lightning at anyone fool enough to stand between you and what's best for the people of the citystates.

    But not today.

    Today, you pick up that goddamn slugtosser and get back to target practice, before I forget the promise I made and chuck you out of my hacienda. Comprende, kid?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:24 No.6330674

    Back to the Guns-as-parasites option; perhaps the guns vary by both their wielder and whatever it is they feed on.

    The shots from the pistols of a fiery lawman out to avenge his family glow white-hot as they consume his anger. The rifle of the silent assassin fires silent and unseen as it eats away at his identity.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:25 No.6330682
    Hand-made guns were readily available before mass production. Entire armies had them, and individuals at the bottom of the social order could afford them for hunting. Mass production made them (generally) more accurate, more reliable, more powerful, and much cheaper. Artisan guns were (and STILL are) a big deal, but remember that just because a gun was hand made that doesn't mean it's good. Hell, artisan guns were ALSO not always that good, since most were built to look good on the gun rack of some guy that probably couldn't even fire the damn thing (or if he could, would probably only use it once or twice a year in a fox chase or something like that).
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:26 No.6330695

    Combine these. Great stuff.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:26 No.6330705
    Exactly what Trigun is. A post-apocolyptic setting where guns are treasured artifacts and iuts a great setting.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:27 No.6330707
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:28 No.6330718
    Maybe the gunsmiths worked alongside mages when they crafted the first guns, thus making them more significant?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:29 No.6330734
    Mechanically, something like Exalted or Scion could work, since the battle wheel would mean a faster rate of fire for faster guns and a slower rate of fire for beefier weapons.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:30 No.6330747
    Sounds like Borderlands.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:32 No.6330760
    Gunslinger Styles.
    These are general types/ideas, mind you.
    Power: Blowing holes in the walls, ripping off arms with a single shot, piercing through "bulletproof" substances.
    Speed: Attempting to emulate a gatling gun with a revolver, quick-draw, fast reloading.
    Precision: Long-distance shooting, disarming, shooting other bullets out of the air.
    Gunplay/Bulletplay: Ricochet shots, using the gun as a melee weapon, bullet-stacking.

    These could be properties of the gun or the gunslinger. Your call.
    >> Iron Handed 10/18/09(Sun)21:32 No.6330766
    have the main chars gun change from being what seems to be a bulky piece of scrap he got as a free bee from a gun artisan in his village who said "you'll be needing this" or from dead friend/teacher, our character feels the weapon is terrible but keeps it because of its ties to teacher/friend/relative, have the gun become more accurate and more ornate as the wielder and the gun grow in experience have the gun turn into the most beautiful weapon anyone has ever seen, and be damn accurate too (maybe im going a bit over the top, just make it pretty and a fairly good weapon) then have the student/ protagonist discover the gun is actually leeching energy off of him, as he notices the hairs on his arms and some on his head turn grey whenever he gets involved in an intense fire fight, then have him wielding a normal weapon but have extreme urges to grab a hold of the magic one again, have the energy lost in use of the magic gun regained over time, so they can use it but not all the time.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:32 No.6330767
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    Channeling energy into bullets?
    Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:33 No.6330771
    My Character's Gun:
    "Cheyenne" - The Two of Diamonds.

    Man, you just need a name and a few stats and that's a full character there!
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:34 No.6330781
    No, fuck wizards. This setting needs psions. Fuck elves too.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:35 No.6330794
    Fuck yeah, Orson Randall!
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:36 No.6330811
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:38 No.6330831
    There are three kinds of firearm in the world, broadly speaking.

    First, there's the Cards. The Capital-G-Guns. The Big 54. Do I need to keep going? No? Good.

    Then there's the Shooting Irons. It takes a gunsmith years to make one of these, and they can only swing it if they're a little crazy, and if they've gotten a hold of one of the 54 for a while. There are - maybe - 2000 of these in the whole world, and most of them were special commission jobs for important lawmen. They're damn fine guns, and most of them have at least a ghost of the power that one of the Cards has.

    Then... you've got slugtossers. Everything else. Metal balls propelled through barrels, rifled or not, by a simple explosive charge. Some sidearms. Some long-guns. Some shotguns. Doesn't matter much, because in the end, those guns are only as good as their wielder... and less good. They break. They misfire. They add range, and stopping power - nothing else.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:38 No.6330836
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    >> LaBambaMan 10/18/09(Sun)21:38 No.6330839
    So if we get a system and all set up for this, would OP be willing to GM online?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:39 No.6330857
    The revolver's action would be too slow for that and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:39 No.6330859

    Each of the authentic guns has a small 'card' painstakingly printed or inscribed (permanently) somewhere on them (sometimes the mark is hidden). With all of the amazing styles and designs they came in, no one would have been able to make any connection between them.

    Obviously, many people have subsequently applied the same marks to copies, but close analysis by a master can reveal what is real and what is fake.

    Maybe a master smith branded (Oh, I like that, the mark can be called a Brand since branding cattle is very wild westish) each of his apprentices' masterpieces, as well as those that he managed to find.

    Anyway, the collection is universally called "The Deck."

    I think we can all agree that that is a given.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:40 No.6330861
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    Not exactly, but eh.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:40 No.6330871
    Ideas that should be taken:

    The city states, assembly line crap existing while the real status symbols are the hand built guns, and throw in a bit of the Samurai thing in here. Perhaps even the idea of 12/21/54 special guns existing.

    You'd have nobility with handcrafted guns, citizenry with less flashy and considerably less dangerous guns, and a group of potential BBEGs all armed with epic and rare weapons.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:42 No.6330899
    Weapons of the Gods. This is Weapons of the Gods, but with Wild West stylings. That sounds awesome.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:43 No.6330903
    Should all PCs have a Card, or would that be too high-power?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:43 No.6330904
    There was a time when guns were more than just weapons. They were symbols of status, elegant tools of the trade. The swing of a gunslingers arm to catch a target between his cross hairs was the same as the stroke of an artists brush across the canvass. Men only drew down to draw blood. Now it seems like kids will pull out pistols just for laughs.

    There are only 54 real guns left. Only 54 guns like the ones I remember. I am lucky enough to carry one of those guns. At first I thought to hold something like it would make me happy but really, it just made me miserable.

    Everyday now it seems I can't escape the pursuit of hunting dogs with jaws of solid lead. I've felt the bite of every breed from .44 and .38's to .45's and 00 buck shot. And by the scars of their bites I am made a marked man just as I am marked by the Joker on the handle of my gun.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:43 No.6330905
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    Okay so we need a supremely magical gun that causes it's 'Slinger to turn invisible so this guy can go on a quest to destroy it.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:43 No.6330911
    Personally, the system needs to be simple.

    1d6. You hit on a six. Whatever happens, you hit. Better circumstances make it five or six. Motive makes it four or more. Invoking the power of the gun (and your own weakness) makes it three or more. One always misses, always.

    If you hit, the victim rolls 1d6. On a six they can send the bullet elsewhere, ricocheting off for effect or into another target. They can move the bullet elsewhere on a five or better if they call on the power of their own gun (and suffer other, more fateful pains). Otherwise, a score of four or five means some grievous wound, and one through three is instant death.

    Gun battles are quick, simple and deadly.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:44 No.6330913
    Sadly, my schedule is too erratic to GM. But the very fact that someone's asking is a good sign.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)21:44 No.6330924
    "See this, kid? Yeah, yeah, pick your jaw up off the floor. This is one of the Guns. Not like that pellet-spitter you've got. This one's called Hawk's Eye, the Queen of Spades. Might not be the most powerful, or the fastest draw, but she's damn-near perfect when it comes to distance and accuracy. Seems like half the time I barely even have to see the target to hit it."

    The wizened old Gunslinger glanced up into the cloudless sky. I followed, wondering what he was watching. Suddenly, he grabbed Hawk's Eye, pointed it almost straight up, and pulled the trigger. To my surprised, even with ears uncovered, the sound of the shot was far from as loud as I expected.

    "Might wanna stand back a little, kiddo. That's a hat on your head, not a helmet."

    Puzzled, I took a few steps to one side. Seconds later, there was a dull thump, as a buzzard hit the earth where I'd just stood, a perfect vertical bullet-hole bored straight through its skull from beneath.

    I hadn't even seen the carrion-feeder overhead, and he had struck it as easily as I would shoot empty bottles off a fencepost.

    Truly, the Guns were weapons worth the awe and respect given them.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:45 No.6330943
    True master Gunslingers have the skills of this fucker. They can kill with ANYTHING, but are simply godlike when given a Card.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:46 No.6330947
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    for extra cheese, you could even make it so each of the guns come with a unique playing card as a sort of certificate of authenticity. they just sort of appear on your person when you start using the gun in earnest.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:46 No.6330952
    >Should all PCs have a Card, or would that be too high-power?

    Maybe the Cards are 'empowered' somehow to find the most worthy bearers (not necessarily the most moral, though). That way, every PC can have a Card, and your MacGuffins are all premade, along with the BBEGs.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:47 No.6330961
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    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)21:47 No.6330962
    The first gun is The Pistol, the finest ever made, invariably felling a man every time it fires.

    The second is The Rifle, from which no thing can hide once the wielder's sighted it.

    The third is The Shotgun, two barrels that expel whatever form of harm takes the firer's whimsy.

    The fourth is The Howitzer, the grandfather of all cannons that can heave devastation to the horizon.

    The fifth and the sixth are The Twins, powerful pistols in their own right, woe betide the world should any man wield both at once.

    Seven is The Repeater, a rifle with a blisteringly fast rate of fire.

    Eight is The Blade, a regal symbol of power taking the form of a rifle built into a cleft sword.

    Nine is The Knife, a pistol as quiet as the grave and yearning to fill some.

    Ten is The Bore, just short of a cannon and capable of gutting a freight train.

    Eleven is The Storm, ending its foes not with lead but with the fury of the heaven's own lightning.

    Twelve is The Redeemer, dispensing life or death as the wielder wills.

    There are, of course, rumors of The Terrible Thirteen, The Silver Bell, The Seventh Seal, The Endbringer. The last gun the Smithlord made, and perhaps the one that slew him in the making. No such weapon has ever been found, but if it were to exist it would be a weapon of nigh apocalyptic firepower.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:47 No.6330968
    Think of the power levels as Exalted.

    If you have a Card, you're at Dragon-Blooded levels of power.
    If you have a Shooting Iron, you're at god-blooded levels of power, or slightly higher.
    If you've got a slugthrower, you're just another mortal.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:48 No.6330970
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    >> Ursus Rex 10/18/09(Sun)21:48 No.6330974
    Just posting a thought, haven't really browser through the thread other than catching a few comments here and there, but you need two things: Gunmen and the Guns.

    The Guns are those masterwork guns that make any novice feel like an Ace. Impossibly accurate, stout, capable of sending the cheapest cartridge out with punishing force and accuracy.

    Gunmen are people with a nigh-on supernatural ability to make mundane guns perform. They can take the cheapest, rustiest piece of junk and bullseye the dick off a tick at a hundred yards.

    Combine the two and you have a force of nature.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:49 No.6330978
    I like this idea. What of the specific Card the guns represent? Should they be ranked in order of power, based on number/suit? Should different suits be specialized in different things? 4 suits = >>6330760
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    This hand of mine is burning red!
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:50 No.6330987
    Certain guns should work well in congress with each other/give bonus when people use them together. I.e. using and Ace and an Eight together makes them more accurate or something. Or if people band together in poker hands they get special powers. For instance you'd have a Dead Mans hand group or a Royal Flush gang. Getting a pair should have some kind of bonus even one as simple as no penalty for wielding two weapons and you get an extra attack.
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:51 No.6331004
    I was going to earlier when I saw it's already on sup/tg/. I thank the other elegan/tg/entleman who archived it.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:52 No.6331012
    You could also then use playing cards as props for the game.

    Also, the Kill Anyone Else With a Card thing makes me think of Afro Samurai.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)21:52 No.6331013
    I like the idea that the Aces and Faces (K, Q, J) have particular noteworthiness, but the numbered Cards, while slightly less than the Aces and Faces, shouldn't have any particular significance to their numbers (the Ten of Diamonds shouldn't be twice as great as the Five of Diamonds, for example).
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)21:52 No.6331017
    now of course each weapon is essentially the blueprint for all other weapons of its type (all shotguns are descendant in terms of design from The Shotgun for example) so there are all sorts of guns, but a very small number of Guns.

    Such is the power of the weapons that some probably have whole factions built up around them, a kingdom or state protected by The Howitzer for example.

    idk, spitballing.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:52 No.6331018
    Should the Guns also have an effect on the wielder? Say a man with bad eyesight finds himself in possession of a Gun that specializes in accuracy and distance. Would he suddenly find himself not needing his glasses anymore and maybe eventually have better eyesight than a normal man?

    Or a particularly slow man finds himself wielding a fast action revolver. Does he suddenly start becoming faster and more agile in his everyday movements?
    >> Ursus Rex 10/18/09(Sun)21:52 No.6331019
    Base it off of Poker? Or Blackjack where the addition somehow plays to your Power, so to speak?

    Like you break and horrible things befall you till you get rid of one of the guns, which explains why no one has collected more than a few at a time.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:54 No.6331033
    This : >>6330978
    Face Card guns tend to be highly specialized, the rest tend to be more General Purpose. The Deuces are always small guns - snub-nosed four-shot revolvers or derringers. The Aces are unquestionably powerful. The Jokers are godlike, but damn the wielder to an early grave. For the Black Joker, anyway. I like the idea of the Red Joker being a complete enigma - like it erases the person from history entirely, leaving only stories of the gun itself
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:54 No.6331036
    Sounds like a nice idea, but I really like the whole 54 Cards thing myself.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)21:55 No.6331042

    As much as poker is associated with the Wild West, this fits perfectly, and also might explain the reason the Cards have the title "Cards" - just as holding certain cards make a winning hand, someone noticed that those who wield certain Guns can pull off things together that might not do alone, and the name stuck.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:56 No.6331049
    I saw a shoot out 'tween two Gunmen once. Both carried one of the cards, genuine 54ers. Don't know their names though. Gunmen ain't known for their socialbility in the main. Each had a posse o' men with them, and twixt the pair of them and their bands they turned main street into a shooting gallery.

    I've see men die before, live out here long enough and you'll see your share too, but I aint ever seen nothing like that day. I saw how bullets seemed to bend about the Gunmen like they were hitting water. I saw people get shot by their own shadows, boys barely grown enough to shave turning old and dying in just a few moments, bullets chasing down running men like a swarm o' angry bees. They all died until in the end it was just the pair o' them facing each other. Never saw who one though. One saw me gawping through the saloon window and put a round in my leg. Damn shot straight through wall and bust out my kneecap. I still walk funny. When the dust had settled down and I's stopped screaming they told me they never found another body lying round. But I figure there's someone out there with two cards and I'll be damned if i'm ever curious bout who it is.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:56 No.6331050
    Didja ever here of the Prince Gang? The greatest bandits ever to roam these lands! Each one had at his hip one o' the legendary Jacks: master weapons of the grandest sort!
    There was no train they couldn't rob, no lawman they couldn't turn away. They was rich and mighty powerful.
    But, those guns, they's be having a way of messing with a man's head, djknow? When you think you're invincible, ya start actin like it! Eventually the law wasn't enough and thems back east got involved.
    The cavalry caught up with them just down the track from here where the canyon deadends - it took two-hundred men and horses and half-a-dozen cannon two days to do them in! Those guns where sealed up in iron bindings and, to this day, are kept in the vault at Knox!

    It's true! Every godfearin word!
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:56 No.6331051

    That sounds like some bad ass balancing fluff to me. Breaking should be cannon.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:56 No.6331052
    Dollars trilogy was here being based off of Yojimbo and Sanjuro (samurai movies).

    What the fuck, Go Nagai?
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    blind gunmen are fine, too.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)21:56 No.6331054
    This is better than my idea by leagues
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:56 No.6331057
    I like this. From the idea of deuces being holdouts, why not have anything from 2-10 just be different size? 2 being smallest, 10 being a large rifle or something.
    >> Larga Vida A Los Muertos Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:58 No.6331074
    In a world where guns make the man, one 'slinger will rise up for glory, to claim them all...

    Coming to theaters everywhere this fall...Rated /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)21:58 No.6331076
    Bonus points to the first player to go out of their way to pick up two aces and three eights.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:00 No.6331092
    "I heard rumors, fairy tales about these 'wild' cards drifiten into Europe from the east... 4 cavaliers. and with them the Major Arcana... is the end finally nigh?"
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:00 No.6331093
    gunslinger did it first.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:01 No.6331100
    My name is Jake, and I’ve got one of the guns. The big ones. The legendary ones. Mine is the ten of spades, “Atonement.” Why this gun chose me, I’ll never know. Atonement is a lawman’s gun, the gun of the righteous. Before, I hated the evil of this world, but never really found the motivation to stop it. I even once walked away when I saw a woman being brutally raped by some punk gang. Now, though, I have to stop it. I must prevent evil. These guns, they’re not normal guns. Obviously they’re more powerful than regular ones, but there’s something different. Now, if I see something bad going on, my insides burn and my head pounds until I intervene. After I put down the criminal bastards, there’s this high like you wouldn’t ever imagine, even from the crazy shit those wasters sell. Essentially, the gun has me hostage, but I don’t mind. Now I have the power to destroy the enemies of justice. In my hands is the hammer of the righteous. May whatever lies beyond here have mercy on those who would stop me. I will not.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:01 No.6331103
    So how strong would buddy sheriffs with an ace each be?
    Or just a guy dual-wielding pocket rockets (two aces)?
    And have them face off with an outlaw gang led by three brothers each with a 6, the Satan brothers.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:02 No.6331108
    "I'm an old man these days. A dead man, or close to it. I'm too old. Too old for this." He leaned back in his chair. The wood squeaked and squealed. "Ever seen one before?"

    I shook my head, "No sir."

    He reached with a liver spotted hand, skin like crinkled paper, and pulled his jacket open. It sat in a holster like I never seen before, tightened up on his chest. I would have asked him why it was like that, but before I could there was a thunderous boom and the old man and the chair he'd been sitting in were sent back, tumbling over each other.

    One of the men who'd been sitting behind us walked forward, his shotgun aimed at the old man's body, face down, still breathing, if only barely. "Nice Gun ya' got there." He pushed with the toe of his boot, turning the man over. "Lemme get a lil' look."

    He let him. For a split second, the gunman had a great look at the barrel, and the bullet that spiraled from the tip. "R-ruby Red," coughed the old Gunman. "Ace a hearts." And then he was gone.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:02 No.6331113
    I think I have a name.
    WILD CARDS: Sons of the Gun
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:03 No.6331127
    What if your cards can only total 21, with the limit of 5 guns for the five-card charlie

    you can have an ace and queen, or any other combo, but you couldn't have like 4 2s and 4 3s, but you could have 4 2s and an 8 or something
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:03 No.6331129

    Gentlemen, some thinking music.

    I'm off for the night. Update me.
    >Personally, the system needs to be simple.

    >1d6. You hit on a six. Whatever happens, you hit. Better circumstances make it five or six. Motive makes it four or more. Invoking the power of the gun (and your own weakness) makes it three or more. One always misses, always.

    >If you hit, the victim rolls 1d6. On a six they can send the bullet elsewhere, ricocheting off for effect or into another target. They can move the bullet elsewhere on a five or better if they call on the power of their own gun (and suffer other, more fateful pains). Otherwise, a score of four or five means some grievous wound, and one through three is instant death.

    >Gun battles are quick, simple and deadly.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:04 No.6331144
    I like it.
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    Did you know that IRL, the art for face cards are based off political satire?

    For example, the king of hearts has a sword threw his head because the king the card is based off of (idk who) killed himself.

    With some research, the real life histories of the cards could have game effects, like the King of Hearts trying to kill its owner. Its a fabulous piece of equipment, no doubt about it, but it seems to have a tendency to jam in a firefight, to fire off a round at random when the owner is trying to hide, and, some say, it gets into their minds and starts tellin' em to off themselves.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:05 No.6331152
    Ya hear tales told all the time about Gunmen who carry the cards... but it's always the Faces or the Numbers... I have yet to heard 'bout any soul what holds the Aces, and no man alive would be fool enough to hunt down one of the two Jokers.

    They say no soul can "own" (inasmuch as a mortal man could own such things as a Gun) more than two of the Cards at any time, if he should even have the devil's luck enough to find one, let alone two, else the power drives him mad. Or so they say, since no man's ever been seen with more than two, and the few who have been seen with two are so rare as t'be near myths themselves.

    But I can't help but wonder what might happen, if a body should ever hold the power of The Four Aces, if such a thing is even possible...
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:05 No.6331155
    Got a nice ring to it.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:06 No.6331160
    Any thoughts on a world? Alternate Earth perhaps?

    Just humans? Elves, goblins and dragons are very drawn out -- but you'll still need some varmints fer shootin'.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:07 No.6331180
    Another day, another town, if you could call it that. The town was one street with a handful of building in various states of disrepair, and the saloon was the only building that was in any habitable state (unsurprisingly).

    I slid in through the front door of the saloon, slipping onto a barstool and ordering a finger of whiskey. The saloon was similar to any saloon: town drunk at the bar, poker game going on at a table in the back, half a dozen washouts lingering around the other tables. Almost immediately I drew a worn deck of cards out of a pocket and started shuffling them: one part old habit from my gambling days, one part intelligence gathering, which soon paid off as the town drunk sidled over (looking for a free drink no doubt).

    "'Ey boy, yous ever heard of the The Deck?"
    "Who hasn't? What's it to you anyway?"
    "Ignore him." the barkeeper chimed in, "He's always spouting some crackpot story about The Deck, saying he saw one of the 54."
    I motioned for the barkeeper to let the drunk continue.
    "Yeeeash I saw one of them, mean old thing it was, could put a hole clean through three men, front to back! Silent as night too, or so they say."
    "Do you know which one it was?"
    "The Gunslinger referred to it as "His Haymaker", though that's probably to keep it on the down low, if ya know what I mean!" He said, bursting into hacking laughter. Whilst he recovered himself, I spread the cards in my hand in a wide arc, making sure each card could be easily seen.
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:08 No.6331187

    "Did you see a playing card on the gun?"
    "Ooooh yeah, was carved right onta the barrel, was kinda small but I've still got a good eye on me! Heh heh...." He looked intently at the cards before sliding a card out from near the middle: the Ace of Spades.
    "Looked just like this! And I'm damn sure he passed through here not more than a week ago! Heading north outta here, said something about settling some old grudge..."

    A smile flitted across my face: if the drunk was right, then my quarry was no more than a week ahead of me. I thanked the drunk by ordering him a fresh drink, paid the barman for the drinks, and slipped out as quiet as I entered. Saddling up, I rode out of town hot on the trail of my quarry.

    I may not be a Gunslinger, but God willing, by week's end I will be.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:08 No.6331199
    Tagline for the setting: "Not all Guns were created equal."
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:09 No.6331208
    I'm thinking suits would have different powers, for example
    Diamonds are either really fast or precision
    Clubs are explosive
    Spades are armor piercing
    Hearts are mysterious or varied powers
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:09 No.6331210
    So what if the entire deck gets together every decade or century to have a "poker tournament" or "blackjack duels," where all the cards are collected into a deck and dealt out as hands to "players."
    Of course having a better combination brings an advantage, but the real challenge is to win with the final hands you're dealt, so a straight, although having a considerable advantage, doesn't necessarily beat three of a king.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:10 No.6331225

    I'd go with an alternate steampunk earth but with humans only. Maybe stick a good old oppresive spanish style Inquisition church with souped up tech in there to create some enemies that can challenge a Gunman without having to fight other gunmen all the time.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:11 No.6331239

    I made a mention of this earlier in relation to the 4 suits, but I don't know which one would work best for which.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:12 No.6331248
    The Kings.

    "David" or "The Key" - The King of Spades
    "Charlie" or "The Knight" - The King of Hearts
    "Caesar" or "The Emperor" - The King of Diamonds
    "Alexander" or "The Conqueror" - The King of Clubs
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:12 No.6331253
    /tg/ : Getting Shit Done

    "Damn." He hissed, and smoke came from beneath his mustache. "Jack of Clubs..." I nodded. My gun was on the table - somewhere it wouldn't be if I didn't trust him. He was a lawman, one of the good ones. "Is it true?"

    "Never runs out of bullets." I nodded. He slipped his arm into his jacket and pulled out his Shooting Iron, a Colt... and then he slipped his hand deeper. I laughed as I saw the glint of blue steel - a derringer.

    "Deuce... of Clubs." He sighed. "Scratch."

    "You're kidding."

    "Wish I was." He sighed. "Son... for the last week, I haven't even been able to touch it."

    "Afraid someone'll see it?"

    "Afraid I'll blow a hole in someone." He was deadly serious, the kind of grim demeanor that you don't expect outside of boot hill. "Now I know you were serious. You did shoot him in the leg, didn't you?"

    "Damn straight. So the-"



    "Three others." He sighed. "They're close. Hell, they're in town. It's the only explanation." He took another puff of his pipe. "And if the Guns are this strong without coming into alignment..."
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    I love you guys so much.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:14 No.6331281
    Isn't the point of a western having to fight gunslingers all the time?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:14 No.6331285
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:14 No.6331286

    I'm going to agree with this. After all if you set it anywhere other than a familiar earth all the wild west stuff just kind of loses it's edge because it's so grounded in our culture. You lose pretty much all of the feel if you throw to much fantasy stuff in there.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:14 No.6331294
    Play Iron Kingdoms. It has gun punk, steam punk every kind of punk.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:15 No.6331300
    Perhaps this Inquisition is related to the the 4 cavaliers (knights, or horsemen if you prefer) and the 22 Major Arcana? Not proper cards so much as damn forces of nature?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:16 No.6331307
    You ain't been reading the thread, boy. We're playin' a Card game.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:16 No.6331316
    Eh, it's a bit too lethal. Combats that can predictably end in one round are rarely "epic". Moreso if there's no real difference between gunslingers. Possibly even worse than how lethal your system is is that it doesn't take into account the guns at all. One person's relic derringer is EXACTLY the same as another person's relic Kentucky longrifle, and that completely misses what the system is all about.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:16 No.6331317
    This could have some strong significance.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:17 No.6331323

    And the four deadliest men this side of the Mississippi. The four Kings should definitely be big time movers and shakers in the world. Each with their own followers and motivations and back stories.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:17 No.6331329
    *setting, not system.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:18 No.6331342

    "There can be.. ONLY ONE!"

    9001 internets to whomever edits this picture w/ a gun instead of a sword!
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:18 No.6331347
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    "Now, I'm not a very good shot but this Samaritan here fires really big bullets."
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:18 No.6331348
    that's not a card. Nor should it be a Card.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:18 No.6331349
    Clubs: Power. It doesn't matter what caliber a Club is. It leaves an exit wound the size of a man's head, or larger. They say that if you get a Club-flush together, you could shoot through the earth.
    Spades: Precision. A man with a Spade can pick a gnat out of the air a mile off.
    Hearts: Speed. Like the hammering of a rat's heart in its chest, a single Heart can fill the air with an army's worth of gunfire, always drawn before the other.
    Diamonds: Trick shots/gunplay. A Diamond always hits exactly what the slinger wants it to hit... some say that Diamong slingers are just lucky. Son, if you could bottle that luck, you could rule the world.
    >> Ursus Rex 10/18/09(Sun)22:19 No.6331353
    The Ace of Clubs. It was also called The Gun with No Name, odd since it had a title.

    It was a rather plain looking six-gun. It didn't have the exotic features or elaborate inlay of some of the other Deck members. It was just a rugged, simple, pistol. But it served its master well, when it allowed itself to be wielded. Anyone who wasn't worthy couldn't get a shot off, the gun would just refuse to work. But for the one in a million man who it could call its owner...

    The action was smooth and clean, the trigger always ready to fall at a hair pull or hold back if the Owner was about to shoot someone he didn't want to by accident. It flowed free out of its holster in a split-second when needed and stayed there at all other times. It shot fast and accurate, it would put the bullet where it was pointed and nowhere else. It was a gun meant for a master gunman, and it served those who sought their own ways in life - whether they were lawmen or bandits if they chose a path with full knowledge of where it would take them and wouldn't allow anyone or anything to get in their way this gun would serve them faithfully to the end of their days.

    Something like this good?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:19 No.6331355
    I don't know if this would be too much, but what about adding another set of Guns based off of the Tarot? Or hell, maybe they're a different kind of weapon, like old fashioned axes and swords? Not as powerful as the Deck by themselves, but the skill of their owner can equalize things.

    They often work with owners of the Guns because they don't interfere with the "hands" that the Guns might have.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:19 No.6331356
    Fuck yes.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:19 No.6331358

    The 55th card contains the soul of Jesus of Nazareth hisself, which is why the Inquisition seeks it with such fervor.
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    goddammit, twice in one thread, I'm slipping:0
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:20 No.6331367
    "So, you heard? Yeah, I've got one. Take it if you got the balls."
    The man looked young, but the hardness in his eyes betrayed his age.
    "This here's the Jack of Hearts. Also called the White Crow. Sure, it looks normal, but you won't even see me draw it to shoot you dead."
    The man sat forward.
    "I'd be lying if I said I knew how it did it. MY hands don't move that fast..."
    He stood up.
    "Well, what're ya waitin' for, kid? We gonna fight or are you gonna wise up? No? Fair enough. I can tell you now that you won't see the next sunrise. This gun is named after an omen of death for a reason."
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:20 No.6331368
    Agreed. The two jokers are legend enough.
    The "55th Card", occasionally referred to as the "Rules Insert" derisively, is a hoax. Always a fancy looking Shooting Iron with no real special qualities.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)22:20 No.6331370
    Poker hands dictate the level of a gunfight.

    ____ of a kind is a fight between up to four gunslingers

    a straight is a gang fight

    a full house is a gang against someone(s) better equipped than they

    a flush is when all the cards of a certain level are in play

    God help you if you witness a Royal Straight Flush unfold, it's only ever happened twice, both times signaled the end or rise of a new power.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:20 No.6331374
    I'd see it as a dud, as in, people flock to it, only to find out it sucks, and the blood on their hands from getting it was in vain.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:21 No.6331392
    I know what to call the one that put the Brand on each of the Guns:

    "The Dealer"

    Every so often They come back together for a game:

    "The Shuffle"
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:21 No.6331395
    This shouldn't be a hard-and-fast rule for all Cards, but more specifically for the various Aces.

    Lesser cards should retain similar characteristics (all Spades should be remarkably accurate, for example), but nowhere to the degree of the Aces.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:22 No.6331407
    This would make an awesome book, show or movie.
    Kick ass setting, but how on earth can we find/homebrew a game that'll live up to this?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:22 No.6331408
    How about the idea that the guns have similar but not identical powers depending on who wields them. Say the 7 of diamonds "The Fox" has powers, of say, duplication. But for one Gunman it duplicates the gun itself (temporarily) so he just pulls as many copies as he needs out of his clothes. But for another Gunman it duplicates himself. For yet another it duplicates the bullets mid flight. All the powers work differently and grow stronger along with its owner as he becomes more used to the Gun but at the expense that he and the gun's 'personalities' merge.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:23 No.6331414

    Perhaps then the 55th Card should be The Forbidden Card: a gun that, by all rights shouldn't exist, but somehow does. Rumours can't agree on ANYTHING about it: what it looks like, it's power, who wields it, even whether it exists or not, and most would discard it as wild fantasy and speculation.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:24 No.6331428
    One of those "Up to the GM whether or not it exists" things.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:24 No.6331436
    This and
    this sound like they could mesh together interestingly.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:24 No.6331437
    Gotta let the players define their own gun's powers.
    We can suggest, but making a catalog ruins the fun.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)22:27 No.6331482
    you all need to watch this.

    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:27 No.6331484

    "The Old Maid"
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    Lucifer hisself comes down to Earth once in a blue moon, taking the guise of a 'Slinger and challenging the best of the best to a game a'cards.

    If'n he wins, he devours the soul of his unlucky opponent on the spot, and if'n he loses...well, that's a story up for debate, seein' as how the Lord of Darkness has never lost a hand.
    >> gv 10/18/09(Sun)22:28 No.6331501
    recent fark link w/ tons of crazy guns. hope this is helpful.

    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:28 No.6331502
    It wouldn't dictate the gun's exact powers, just the general archetype the powers are based on. As a player, you could then choose a gun with the same suit as the archetype you want.
    >> Ursus Rex 10/18/09(Sun)22:28 No.6331509
    While I love that duel, the one from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is definitely better and held in such high esteem for a reason.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:29 No.6331512

    this whole thing with the rules card is retarded.
    might as well include the mail-order-catalogue card.

    although a non-standard deck could be cool. there's a 56-card tarot deck that adds another four face cards: the Knights, between Jacks and Queens.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:29 No.6331514
    I'm an independent comic book writer.

    I am going to steal this idea now. Gonna write out a quick pilot edition to show my editors.

    I'm gonna go with a theme in some of these fluff posts. A young gun acquires one of the Cards after the death of its previous owner. He's thrust into this game.

    Thanks for the idea /tg/
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:30 No.6331528
    Nah. You need some solid rules, otherwise you just confuse and overcomplicate stuff.

    Some people whisper about a final Card by name of The Rules, a Card with no suit or markings, that makes the wielder invulnerable to the effects of any other Gun, even the Jokers, at the expense of never being able to wield another Gun with it... But if such a Card existed, why has it or its wielder never been found? Probably just the rumors of hopeful fools.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:30 No.6331529
    Can we at least hope /tg/ gets credit at all? Probably not.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:30 No.6331539
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    Evening /tg/
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:31 No.6331545
    I was just about to do this, well good luck to you, I may still do something with this.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:32 No.6331557
    By all means, do so. I want this realized in some fashion.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:32 No.6331560
    Idiot, or troll.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:33 No.6331578
    Just archive this, so we can call him out if anything ever goes wrong.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:34 No.6331582
    Y'know, looking at this, I'm surprised this isn't already an anime somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:34 No.6331589
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:35 No.6331595
    Thats why this would be hard to do for a RP, but it works really well for books movies ect.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:36 No.6331610
    It's already archived. Been that way for a while. gj
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:37 No.6331617

    I'd say it would work best as a series of (WESTERN) comics, each a separate story but all in the same universe.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:38 No.6331629
    The 55th is the Dealer himself.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)22:38 No.6331630
    certainly true, if you can create something with the power of that duel in a game you are game master jesus.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:38 No.6331635
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    Sup, /tg/.
    /k/ here.

    You guys are alright.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:39 No.6331639
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    He is: The Dealer, aka the Five-card Stud.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:39 No.6331643
    Once Upon A Time In The West was here.

    All others are fags.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:41 No.6331671
    The Rules should be a bent-barreled rusted peice of trash. Completely unusable if you want to shoot anything. But it has powers, oh yes. While the gunslinger weilds it no gun man-forged nor legendary may fire upon him, not even the Jokers themselves, but neither may they weild a weapon. When the time is right and the era turns, the one with The Rules convenes The Game. He is the only one who may do so, and the only one trusted to.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:41 No.6331672
    It's settled, my first Card is an autorevolver.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:41 No.6331676
    i just lost the game
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:42 No.6331691
    That could just be the Red Joker.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:42 No.6331697
    This... Actually, I like this way of having the Rules card best.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:42 No.6331701
    i'm not so sure that any sort of card "convention" should be confirmed. should be rumors about it, sure, but from there it should be what the DM decides.
    >> Ursus Rex 10/18/09(Sun)22:43 No.6331706
    Still haven't seen that, though I need to.

    It's hard for me to want to watch a western without Clint Eastwood - I grew up on the Man With No Name Trilogy and Outlaw Josey Wales.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:43 No.6331711
    The 55th card, rule card is retarded as fuck.

    54 cards. 2 - Ace in order of power. Black Joker is death incarnate pretty much, Red Joker is mythical even above the others. It could be what that other guy's idea is. A gun that doesn't fire. But then neither do any other guns trying to shoot the man who holds it.

    And then there's the dealer.

    "Who made this shit?"

    "I dunno man. But I don't wanna meet 'im."
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:43 No.6331715
    Better make it kick-ass.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:44 No.6331729
    Clint Eastwood is overrated. He has one character in westerns: gruff outsider who speaks in a slow monotone.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:44 No.6331731
    I thought these were great ideas, then I thought about it. This is a goddamned anime, right here.

    They're still good ideas, mind you.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:44 No.6331732
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    We have a logo!
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:45 No.6331736

    This. The Dealer is the true "Card 55"... every once in a while he'll pass through town, seeking info about the Cards. Why, nobody knows. But his own sidearm is just as ominous looking as one of the Guns, holding the same power as all four Aces, leading folks to believe it is some previously-unknown Card. Or so it seems. The gun is an ordinary gun... it is the Gunman himself who holds the power.

    And for those few who know his secret, well, even they don't know what might happen, should the Dealer one day hold all the Cards...

    (Ever seen Sam Elliott as Caretaker in "Ghost Rider"? That's who I picture the Dealer looking like.)
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:45 No.6331744
    There must be a gunfight on a blimp. No way around it.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:46 No.6331765
    Deuce of Clubs:

    Her names Widow, it's a good name.

    Hits 'em 'fore they can react.

    Helps that they don't know they started it yet, but they're going to start it and that's what matters.

    That's why I like her, my Widow. Knows when people are going to start things and tells me. She's always in my hand when troubles about to start, before anyone else sees it coming. Hits 'em before they know they need to draw.

    Widow... it's a good name.
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    >needs more mythical swords reforged as hand cannons.

    o rly?
    >> NotOP 10/18/09(Sun)22:47 No.6331771
    I come back from a large break from /tg/, and what do I find?

    TG gathering together in one place to make, not only a fucking bitching game idea, but a game idea based off of one of my personal favorite ideas: Gunslingers.

    Ive never seen it done this well, and /tg/?

    Well done.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:47 No.6331772
    Ever heard of the Queen of Hearts?

    The Bloody Queen, they call 'er. She's a pistol, a pretty little thing, but once she's drawn, she ain't going back in 'er holster until she's drawn blood from every damn living thing in sight, and that includes her wielder— and once she's made you bleed, you ain't gonna stop until you run dry. They say she's done in many a 'slinger who thought they could handle her.

    But now, you've heard of those massacres happened north of here, in the Gultch? I met a guy who survived. Said in the middle o' it all, was one man, covered in blood, holding up a nice little pistol, red-handled with a big ol' heart on the side. Guy was just standing there, bleedin' like noone's business, shooting everything that moved and some things that wern't; and once he heard his laugh he couldn't do nothing but run...

    Hey, all I'm sayin' is, maybe the Queen's finally found her mate....
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:47 No.6331775
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    Well howdy, pilgrims. John Wayne here, back from the grave to tell you fellas you're all right. Also, The Man in Black asked me to ask if he could GM a game sometime.

    See ya real soon, Clint.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:47 No.6331783
    This is pure, unadulterated awesome. Thank you, /tg/!
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:47 No.6331791
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:48 No.6331792
    The idea of a Dealer who is still around and actively doing stuff with the game is a bit meh. If he even exists it should be as a reclusive hermit who just works on making guns, tired and spent now that his Magnum Opus has been completed.

    The game should focus on the card-holders, not the SUPERDEALER going around trying to kill them all.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:48 No.6331794

    "The Dealer," whom wields "The Rules," commences/runs "The Game," and afterwords he "Suffles" the losers' Guns back into circulation.

    Me likey
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:48 No.6331805
    Really? Link?
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:49 No.6331812
    Thread autosaging. New one here: >>6331802
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:49 No.6331826
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 10/18/09(Sun)22:51 No.6331853
    Never said he was gonna kill 'em, did I?

    The Dealer just wants the Deck back in his hands, however he can get it.

    And any fool who's ever sat at a poker table knows, when the stakes are high, a dealer can and will bend the rules to suit himself.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:51 No.6331859
    The dealer being the devil is a great idea.

    If this were a comic, he could even show up as one of the nameless faces in backgrounds.

    Two Gunmen are dueling with their cards. Some town folk are gathered around to watch from a distance.

    Same thing at another duel in a town. The only thing is, one of the faces, far back in the crowd, is at every duel. Small an hardly noticeable.
    >> Ursus Rex 10/18/09(Sun)22:52 No.6331866
    Well, I disagree. Josey Wales and his character in Unforgiven are both pretty unique. And even if he was known for a certain portrayal so was practically every other big Western actor. And I still love watching him.

    Man, chill out.

    I also think that one of each gun, or as many guns as possible, should be named after iconic Western characters and movies.
    >> NF 10/18/09(Sun)22:54 No.6331906
    I'm thinking that the cards will eventually begin to change their wielders, Bloody Mary would leave most men dry as soon as she cleared leather, but should she come upon a man of such perfect wanton slaughter that it begins to slake even her inhumane thirst, she might deign to sustain him.

    The blood of the dead at his feet seems to slither across the ground and seep into his skin, he carries a stench of stale life spilt in the sand wherever he goes, leaving only blood drops, corpses and crimson tinted brass in his wake.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)22:55 No.6331917
    The smell of oil. The resistance, then the give as I slide my rod into her.


    Every shot. Every perfect beautiful shot of .308 hits the mark. Every perfect shot and my heart stops.

    The soft flickering of the camp fire reflects off the oil.

    She is beautiful to me.

    The swho held her before me had never truly loved her, not like I do. They had been weak, she had broken their hearts.

    My beloved Gallows Queen.

    They say the one she loves will never miss. Where ever he aims, his bullet flies true.

    Gently the cloth strokes her Stock.

    I pause.

    The Queen of Hearts carved on her stock seems to glow. I can tell she is looking at me.

    With love

    With infinite compassion.

    With patience.

    She knows I will fire her, she will wait.

    The Gallows Queen loves me, and I know I am already dead.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)23:00 No.6332002

    if we must have a dealer character, this is the way to do it.

    every good western setting needs an Old Scratch at the riverbend.
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    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)23:18 No.6332320
    Gunsmiths are a rare and unusual addition to a town. In that they generally attract some very unsavory types. But unsavory types that keep on their very best behavior, and out of trouble within town. Basically the Town Gunsmith is the very last guy you'd ever want to piss off.
    The less said the better.
    Making masterwork custom weaponry hasn't been in much demand and isn't very steady work, so they usually get work doing other firearm related jobs (usually instructing people on the use of a certain firearm or renting out shooting ranges) they may take on other jobs (Blacksmithing or running a General Store, some have even worked as impromptu Bounty Hunters.) But the most dedicated usually stick to Firearms as far as work goes.
    >> Anonymous 10/18/09(Sun)23:23 No.6332391
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    Roland agrees.
    >> Anonymous 10/19/09(Mon)00:49 No.6333495
    This shit best be archived.

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