It's been too long. Let's have a thread about the surprise hit race of /tg/, the Ratfolk - and their obscure cousins the Rabbitfolk! What is your preferred way to use ratfolk/rabbitfolk in your setting as a PC race, anons? Why do you like them so much? And why is Kiguri's artwork for female ratfolk so hot?
>>63018295Fuck off, furfag.
>rodentsCringe and bluepilled>snekBased and Yigpilled
Much as I like rats, these designs seem pretty tittified.
>>63018295>And why is Kiguri's artwork for female ratfolk so hot?Yer a furry, Harry.
In a setting that's using the "alien spaceships crashed on a fantasy world" element from old-school Sword & Sorcery (see in D&D: Expedition Beyond the Barrier Peaks, Temple of the Frog, Tale of the Comet, Blackmoor), how viable is it to have ratfolk be an alien race stranded by the crashing of the ancient spaceship, and thus the most technologically advanced race on the planet?
>>63018791At least make the boobies abdominal, if we are going down this road at all.
>>63019072Isn't that kind of what Pathfinder does? Apparently there's a whole bunch of them living on the setting's Mars analogue, and they're all about guns and bombs and things like that.
>>63018295Implementing these is a noblebright setting, probably played in 5e, it's all my group will play.Mousefolk (called scurries) and ratfolk (called skulks) fall more on the human side, looking like halflings with mouse/rat ears, whiskers, teeth, eyes, and tails, but the ability to transform into large mice/rats more fully.Mechanically speaking they'll probably be Small-sized variants of the 5e Eberron Shifter, with longer-term transformations (1 hour default) and possibly Tiny size while transformed, or just the ability to squeeze through smaller spaces.
>>63019485Hmm, interesting. Not how I'd do it, but this is a very neat idea, and sounds like it'd be pretty easy to write up. Good luck with it, anon! Would you like a draft of a PC statblock for them while you're here? If yes, what's the difference between a Scurry and a Skulk, or is it just cosmetic?
>>63019072Fiction has space triceratops people and rocket raccoons. Go for it.
Anyone actually got any good fantasy rabbitfolk art?
>>63018736You came to the right neighborhood, ratto.
>>63018744They really lack in rat features. Honestly, I hate them.
>>63019993Had I any, I would share. Looking for something good for some fucked up fey things my group is gonna encounter soon and my brain settled on rabbit things for some reason.
>>63018295>its another thinly-veiled furfag streamIf I could trade 10 years of my life in exchange for every furfag on the planet to die a slow agonizing death I would do it. You people are as bad as paedophiles.
>>63020478Ah well, most of what I have is monstergirls or overtly sexualized, so I can't really complain. Just not a lot of good rabbitfolk art, at least not in the circles I'm familiar with.If you're looking for fucked up evil rabbitfolk, though, check out the Shin'hare from HEX - they're a really messed up bunch.
>>63020456Exactly how are they lacking in "rat features"? It's not like they're the typical "slap ears and a tail on it" monstergirl fare.
>All these pictures of rats with large boobs.God damn furries.
Anyone in this thread ever read the Duncton Wood novels? Big doorstopper Arthurian Fantasy-esque xenofiction about the lives, struggles and wars of various communities of moles.
>>63020575I will definitely check them out, thank you!Mostly I've found furry porn or monstergirls as well because I wanted something a LITTLE sexual/humanish (I guess?) because their whole thing is they have an aura of harmony and placidity and relaxation about them, lure you in and get you drunk, then eat you or something. Anyway I'll dig through my stuff and see if I have anything to actually contribute.
>>63020696The Shin'hare's basic schtick is that they're cute little bunnyfolk... who are a mashup of North Korea and Imperial Japan with a dash of Communist China.They believe they have a manifest destiny to conquer the entire world, and they consider all other life expendable - fit only to be slaves and food. They place no value on their own lives, to the point that not only are "human wave tactics" their go-to military strategy, they literally breed babies by the dozens to slaughter them at birth in blood magic rites to produce enchanted arms and armor for their social elites. They also practice necromancy, too.https://hextcg.gamepedia.com/Shin%E2%80%99hare
>>63018744>these designs seem pretty tittifiedIt's because the artist is a furry and so is the OP.
My own setting, Triskelion, features rabbitfolk - tentatively named "El-ahfrahrah" until I come up with something better - as a race of fey-created warriors, essentially Redwall's hares with something of a Celtic cast rather than a British Army cast. They're cunning, fearless, boisterous and love to fight, drink and eat. There is some sexual weirdness going on, because they're a fey-created race, but that's not important to what they do in the setting.Ironically, I'm having a harder time finding a place for the setting's ratfolk; all I have is a creation myth:There was once a goblin archfey named Raxivort, a paranoid and wheedling creature who secured her powers through treachery, deceit, base opportunism and the prioritization of her own skin above all else. The only beings that trusted her and considered her friend were a band of rats, whom she had rescued from predators in the wilderness. They loved their bigger friend, and eagerly sought to help her, but she was merely using them, and the band began to die in droves as she sent them into danger for her own ends.In the end, the rats turned on her, denouncing her as a traitor, and brought her down. As they lapped up her blood, they grew and grew, until now they stood upright like goblins, or perhaps hobgoblins. They bought peace with Raxivort's head on a stick, and since those days, they have remained true to themselves; loyal to their kin, generous with their friends, but vengeful to their enemies.But in drinking Raxivort's blood, some of her taint entered their souls, and now every good rat wrestles with Raxivort's little voice in their head, still whining and pleading, coaxing them to be selfish, cowardly and vicious. Not every rat can resist her urgings...
>>63020787They definitely sound awesome. I may steal a bit of it for my asshole fey things, or maybe some mortal descendants of them.
>>63020936That's a pretty awesome racial backstory
And that's the last of what I've got. Small collection since one of my player's got their character killed and wanted her next to be a ratfolk so I saved a few for suggestions.
>>63018295We didn't have then as anything but a stand-in for goblins at first. The party sort of adopted one for a while that we'd captured after a fight, but that one turned on them. When one character died, the player wanted their next to be a ratfolk so I let her make up their general racial history and culture (as I do with most races) so long as it fit what we knew so far. She took some parts from skaven, some from goblin, and threw in some stuff of her own that made them stand out- and even gave me some more ideas for enemy types to throw at them.She made them voodoo-wielding super-communists that cared little for the other races other than what they could take from them. Her character had gotten kicked out of her warren and wanted to prove she was good enough to create her own.
>>63020948Ironically, I seem tlo keep pairing up ratfolk and rabbitfolk in my settings. My older setting, a dieselpunk by way of dungeonpunk high magic pulp fantasy, has rabbitfolk and ratfolk cultures too.The rabbitfolk, or "Haffuns", are rifle-toting ranchers and farmers with a traditional leadership based on matriarchal druids and a culture more or less shaped around the American Midwest.The ratfolk, called "Vermis", are cheerfully anarchistic refugees from the hobgoblin empire's magitek equivalent to toxic waste dumps, where they evolved from common rats. They have a knack for mad science and for cobbling together magitek from garbage, sort of like a non-evil Clan Skryre by way of Mad Max motif. Also, they're semi-amazonian, because there are more females than males, they're extra protective of their offspring because most of their children die at birth, and they're very prone to physical mutations both naturally and because one of their religions is ratty transhumanism and so they're big on upgrading themselves with magitek and fleshcrafted body mods.
Whoops, meant to address >>63021268to >>63020993, sorry. Can't post any more art for the day myself, sadly; Aussie off-peak satellite internet is the pits.
>>63021291Well both those posts were me anyway. I like the notion of matriarchal druid rabbits and I'm a sucker for modern tropes in fantasy and magitech in general, so fleshcrafting mutant rat-kin amazons sound fucking awesome.
>>63021361That's kind of why I made them both. I'm still not sure how I went from the Quietus to the Triskelion, but so long as the latter is getting help on a forum somewhere (and that one anon is waiting for their human on rabbitfolk smutfic), I guess the Quietus just has to sit on the back burner.Mind you, I would happily work on both settings' ratfolk and rabbitfolk here if anons were interested, I just don't think they are.
>>63021420I mean I am at least. I'm interested (and in that spoiler block) and it might help me figure some stuff out for my own, so I say go for it.
>>63021489Well, I'm not really sure what to ask or say. The Haffuns and Vermis are all but figured out - you can see them in the doc below, though I'd welcome feedback on stuff I've missed adding or could stand to add - so... I don't know, maybe list up what I have figured out for their Triskelion counterparts and that'd help anons point out where/how I can take things with them?
>>63021559Dammit, forgot to add the link:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1esWSKgFuHLWi3qztmZ0ZBeJ9ETHFL4FjIxt6K9Nzf-s/edit#
>>63021643>>63021559Thank you Anon I'll be sure to read it over the next bit here, assuming there's some downtime at work.
Stuff in spoilers is Mature Audiences Only; it doesn't get brought up unless the group can handle it.El-Ahfrahra>Spawn of a Summer Archfey that was trapped in a rabbit's body as part of a feud.>Small sized, but huge hearts.>"What is best in life? To face the greatest challenges with a laugh, to hone your fighting skills to their peak, to be loyal to kith and kin, to be true to your word, to eat to excess, drink to excess, make love as often as you wish, and to die gloriously!">Despite valuing courage above all others, recognize that there's a difference between bravery and stupidity. (Not everyone gets the memo, though.)>Sharpness of mind is as important as strength of arm.>Prefer to trade mercenary work for goods and food; manual labor is less "heroic".>Huge regard for chefs, brewers, anyone who prepares food.>Are NOT vegetarians; some evil warrens or individuals will even eat other sapient races.>Basically take the dwarven niche of "small, boisterous, loyal warrior people".>Will fight alongside just about anyone; a comrade is a comrade, no matter their shape, size or disposition.>Tend to get very offended if you call them "cute". In the right circumstances and with the right person, though, that's not so much a problem.>Big on tattoos, piercings, mohawks, hair/fur dyes, and otherwise looking tough.>Basically, picture a Redwall Hare, with an optional skirt-chasing streak, and you got them in a nutshell.>Are considered an all-male race, but can fall pregnant too; they just don't see that as making them any less manly. Sex is often a struggle to determine who risks getting pregnant."Xvarts" (Hey, I stole Raxivort's name already...)>Deliberately avert the cliche of the ratfolk as a filthy, treacherous, backstabbing thief.>Some do live down to that stereotype, but these are disliked by their kin.>Strong vengeful streak.>...That's basically it.
For the morbidly curious as to where that spoilered entry in the El-ahfrahra came from... spoilered to protect weak constitutions...Originally, they were just based on Redwall Hares; boisterous, braggadocious, macho types, with a connection to a really macho jock type Archfey. Then, somebody spoke up and suggested that maybe, if they were going to be so masculine and macho, I should invoke some elements from Tu'er Shen.For those who don't know their Chinese mythology, that's the rabbit god of homosexuality. No, seriously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu%27er_ShenThis was then followed by a tangent on the existence of a hentai doujin in which the planned invasion and conquest of humanity's women by a race of trappy, mpreg-breeding bunnyboys from the moon is thwarted by the advance scouts instead screwing up and ending up the pregnant playthings of a human man.Folks seemed to find both of these things interesting, so ultimately I said "what the hell, let's see if it can't be done in a serious way" and, well, the El-ahfrahra as they stand today came to be.
>>63019600Here 's my first pass at creating them. I'm also considering adding a tree-dwelling squirrel subrace based on Ratatoskr, who work as messengers. Gotta have this ready for players on Saturday so feedback appreciated.I also need to decide on a name, "rodentfolk" is a placeholder.
>>63022408imma gonna need that doujin name
>>63022519As a big fan of squirrelfolk, personally, I'd recommend that you add them - they make a nice little variant and add some variety. I can't suggest a better name for the race, alas, because naming things is always problematic for me.Now, critique... Now, I'm not sure what the general consensus is on Shifters from the Wayfinder's Guide, but, to me, these look flavorful and reasonably balanced. Meek is a particularly unique weakness; racial weaknesses are uncommon in 5e, but I feel it's on the same level as Sunlight Sensitivity.>>63023148Kamaboko RED - Moonlight Uousaou; But don't get too excited, as it's basically a yaoi version of the standard "cute but dumb protag fucks a creepy ugly fat hentai man", and the pregnancy only shows up on the final page.
>>63021896>>63022408Honestly both the explanations of them are really fun. I'm still gonna read that doc if I get a chance, but I'm liking this. Giving me some inspiration for the fey assholes I'm throwing at my group on a few small points anyway, since I'm not in the habit of jacking too much shit from my fellow DMs.
>>63023500Oh, I have an entire thread dedicated to my Triskelion setting here on /tg/ at the moment. The GDoc for it is linked there. Sadly, the first draft of racial fluff for the El-ahfrahra is locked on the forum where the setting came to be, because it's down for maintenance at the moment and I didn't save it to the doc. The smutfic is roughly 1/3rd written. Can't predict when I'll finish.Also, I didn't think the El-ahfrahra would be that much use to you, since your rabbitfolk are evil man-eating fey and mine are helpful fey dwarves, but glad that you seem to like them. ;pAny ideas on how I could start fleshing out my rendition of xvarts?
>>63022408>Rabbit god of homosexualityI learned something new about the Chinese today. Something pretty weird, but new.
>>63018295>>63018467>>63018490>>63018662>>63018688>>63018732>>63018757>>63019600>>63020106>>63020612>>63020788>>63020948>>63023158Now you know why Skaven lobotomize their females.
>>63023650Because they become waifus?
>>63023650Because they're total morons who consistently fuck themselves over by being back-stabbing short-sighted over-ambitious little shits?
>>63019072Its quite natural, and seems to fit them strangely well. Pathfinder implies their ratfolk are aliens hailing from notMars (which is basically notJohn Carter of Mars/Barsom). Heck, for my own world I did exactly what you want to do. Ancient aliens who crashed and now survive as just another race upon the world.>>63019264Ysoki, who in Starfinder are a core race.
>>63020570Kek! Well pepe'd fellow memester! Such cringey non/tg/ content. Why can't they complain about soiJWs like everyone else? What NPCs! Most unbased and cuckpilled
>>63023254I love that image. It starts out with your ordinary Joe-joe average Eshin clanrat and gradually goes rightward to some full super sayian sensei of death and sneak-sneakiness, whom is probably one or two steps directly below Deathmaster Snikch in the command chain.
>>63024509Now I just need to flesh out my post-spacecrash setting enough to make them make sense. I really like the image of ratfolk gangs struggling to survive in the ruins of a truly enormous crashed ship, sort of a cross between Ravnica, Metamorphosis Alpha, EBtBP, and Necromunda... I just don't know how to build a setting out of it.
>>63021896That reference reminds me that I haven't read Watership Down in almost a decade, gotta change that soon
>>63022592>>63023148>>63023500>>63025549It never ceases to surprise me that people like my El-ahfrahra race. What is is that seems to make them resonate with people, despite that hint of perversion to the race?
>>63023650Because the Great Horned Rat wants Skaven to only seek his affection and the possibility of waifus would jeopardize this? Hmm, kind of think of it all the races in Warhammer with dramatically less females have a matriarchal bent. Fimir and trolls most notably. For Fimir and Trolls, these females are also hyper-intelligent and hyper-magical for their kind. But we never see any Skaven females...Is the horned rat afraid that magical, intelligent rat-waifus will usurp his control over society?
>>63025868...That's actually a really interesting idea.
So, honest question; do anons feel it makes sense to have a ratfolk culture in which females outnumber the males, and so males are the political leaders whilst the females are pushed into the dangerous/labor-related fields, since females are now expendable through sheer numbers and the fecundity of an individual female?I mean, if one female can produce 6-18 new females in one litter, it doesn't matter so much if five or six females die, but if she only produces 1-2 males in every 10 litters, well, you want to keep the males safe, right?I'm making up the numbers here, but it hopefully gets my point across.
>>63023590Well, there's certain parts of my rabbits' culture I hadn't really thought about yet, what little of it there is to consider at the time being anyway because they are fey after all. On the other hand, they definitely SHOULD have some aspects about their communities and whatnot, and I've been thinking about different angles for them- even if they are wicked man-eating fey monsters. Certainly the notion that from an outsider's perspective they might appear more "chaotic good" than anything else- boisterous, good-natured, friendly, and inviting. In reality, they might treat people quite well for months at a time, sheltering them until such a time that it suits them to suddenly not. Might keep the women, not sure, eat the men... I've got some ideas, but they threaten to start getting a little, I dunno, magical realmy? Certainly not my thing, I just want there to be facets about them that are truly unsettling, but I'm aware everything is someone's fetish somewhere. For the xvarts, if you're going for something where these ratkin aren't the dirty backstabbing types, you could go for an angle where they're more lawful and just. They might be ratfolk, but their culture could have developed away from what we normally would think ratkin would be like. Maybe they're even still sneaky and stealthy and all that stuff, but are more like guerilla warriors and expert scouts than rogues and thieves- but their natural aptitude for the skills shared between the two archetypes makes them good at either or both if some happen to go with the latter route. Perhaps a while ago, they WERE filthy sneakthieves, but political/cultural/whatever things changed and now the reason they're so hard on those ratkin that DO pursue those career paths is because they feel the constant need to prove to the rest of the world that they're not like that anymore.
>>63025959Potentially, though there'd be things to consider, such as how the females are rotated out of their jobs for breeding purposes (if it's government-mandated and not just "This female and this male fell in love and got married and now she has babies now and again). Also what's to keep the women from deciding to change the culture if the men are so low in number. Deific mandate? Cultural tradition? Etc. With good explanations, I could definitely see it.
Here's a weirder question; given ratfolk work so well with mad science/fleshcrafting/magitek, is there a way to make it plausible that ratfolk society could punish males who commit "serious crimes" by transforming them into females without requiring natural-born females to be absurdly rare?
>>63026180Weirder maybe but...I'll say that it can work, but can get a bit magical realmy. I'm the Anon above who lets his players write their own cultural stuff for their races and whatnot, and one of the chicks in my game did basically that but with gnolls + a dash of mindrape (later started dating this chick and let me tell you she was going for disturbing and magical realm for her all at once), their entire culture boiled down to "If you cannot serve willingly, you will be made to serve willingly."It was super freaky when it was her turn to DM to the point it didn't really feel magical realm. More like a body horror psychological thriller. So it can work, but it depends on how you frame it.
>>63026180>Here's a weirder questionYou said as much, but yikes. At any rate, the most plausible explanations I can think of are A.) females are looked down upon or otherwise considered second-class citizens, and thus, being made into one essentially punishes individuals by stripping them of status and forcing them to live as "lesser" peoples, and B.) there is some sort of work or issue that can only be completed by women, and thus, it's akin to a life sentence of hard labor.
>>63026239>>63026269I just kept having this idea for a ratfolk mafia don-type crimeboss figure who would punish failed underlings by turning them into brainwashed bimbos and using them to populate his stripclubs, brothels and pleasure parlours, and I just wasn't sure if that could ever make sense or be anything other than pure magical realm.
>>63026410It could be, but as I said, it depends on the framing. I'd say in that regard it could still work even without it being too overtly magical realmy, you just need to make sure that it comes off as... Well, as creepy and horrifying as such a thing would be in the real world.
>>63026410Continuing this >>63026426 thought, because your idea reminded me of something, I'm pretty sure there's a body horror scene in the show Gotham where one of the villains is basically turning a failed henchman into a pleasure slave. I think. I can't remember if that's what it was, but it that whole little arc is pretty creepy.
>>63026410>>63026426>>63026453It's kinda weird and a teeny bit disturbing how often /tg/'s method of making boring ass mook races interesting is "Give them a hardcore bimbo fetish deal for their culture." But far, far more alarming is how often it's genuinely just flat out better than what they had before.
>>63026549I'm not sexually into the whole bimbofication thing but I do enjoy things that work towards really creeping people out, so it works sometimes.
>>63026410Ah, well, that's a bit different. Criminal psychopaths might very well turn to some truly creepifying ways of dealing with people who have displeased them. Certainly motivates their underlings to stay on their good side, though the more depraved the villain, the more questions it raises about why people still associate with him.
>>63026760Not the guy with the original idea, but IIRC in Gotham it was that the mad scientist used this as his service, presumably for people wanting to buy untraceable sex slaves or something. Harvested body parts off others, did literally full-body transplants and weird shit. One of his minions displeased him, so he conveniently disappeared (though from the audience's view, we knew what happened).Regardless, very lucrative payouts for their services and/or fear work as powerful motivators. Could also be this is a specific punishment for snitches or perhaps his enemies. In the case of the gnolls I referenced above, it wasn't even a bimbo thing for them, but it wasn't for doing poorly at your job either. At any point they would execute someone, they would instead find a use for them, which generally meant reducing them to an animal-intelligence-level baby maker to make more gnolls.
>>63025865Bumping this, because, seriously, I was expecting the El-ahfrahra to be swept off the board long before now. Mind you, I expected the whole thread to be gone. Guess ratfolk fans are more tolerant of Kiguri and/or Ink-Eyes than I thought.
>>63026549Well, you know what they say, when you have them by the balls, their minds will follow.Though, seriously, I don't get the people who claim that being hit on by a curvy ratgirl or rabbitgirl would be a fate worse than death.
>>63027325You had me at curvy!But seriously, when it comes to stuff like this in games, I usually just go by what makes sense. If I were playing in a setting that had ratkin or whatever, it's just logical that they'd have a variety of tastes, so getting hit on by one is more an issue of what my current character's tastes/orientation/interests are. Worse than death? I don't think I've ever rolled a character who felt that way- even the married ones would at least be polite about it, yeesh.
>>63027307They're a colorful take on a common fantasy niche, despite the weirdness which you assert doesn't need to come up in-game.
>>63027497Really, I think that's one of the keys to making something which COULD be magical realm into NOT magical realm- make it a facet of their culture, sure, but it's not really that important in passing. Maybe even just something that gets minorly referenced once or twice in dialogue but not explained unless pressed- if it's even brought up at all.
>>63026180What are male rats noticeable for, proportions-wise, compared to a lot of species?What are male ratfolk therefore likely to be very proud of about themselves, physically?What notable feature of their bodies would disappear upon being turned into a female?Boom, horribly embarrassing and degrading punishment for any male ratfolk. Not a dishonour of being turned into a female (females are fine), it's the dishonour of losing something very precious to his self-image..
>>63027544Well, the key ingredient that makes a weird, fetish-inspired setting element into a Magical Realm is that the GM forces the players to deal with it against their wishes. Otherwise, it doesn't really count.
>>63027801Stepping back, you're right. Downside to being on /tg/ too much is this->someone makes a race/culture>includes something that is fetishized by the internet>gets shit on because magical realmGuess I just saw that shit happening too much so I lost sight of what it ACTUALLY meant. Ty for the course correction.
>>63027838There's a lot of sexual stuff in fantasy that's pretty weird or gross, but most games tend to keep the details in the background where they belong. Drow apparently get off on the feeling of unborn twins killing each other in the womb, but I doubt most games ever bring it up, even the drow-centric ones. Which is not to say that stuff won't skeeve people out if they learn it, just that there's a difference between "some dead wizard wrote a treatise on the mating habits of another species forty years ago, and the duke has a copy on his bookshelf" and "YOU MUST SEX UP THIS LIZARD MAN TO PROTECT YOUR PROSTATE FROM THE DREAD CURSES OF AL'GHORRO, THE THIRD LIEUTENANT OF THE UNDERWORLD - WAIT GUYS WHERE ARE YOU GOING".
>>63027497Can you elaborate on what you mean by "colorful take in a common fantasy niche"?I really, really want to avoid making them seem kender-like, which is a big worry to me given they're supposed to be from a macho "I ain't afraid of nothing!" he-man culture.
>>63028328That's actually the one I was referring to, not kender.
>>63028399Huh, I didn't realize. I was just more worried about the whole Fearlessness thing because, y'know, part of what makes Kender so hated is that they're Chaotic Stupid and one of the reasons why they're Chaotic Stupid is because they don't feel fear.
>>63020936So, what does this backstory suggest for a ratfolk culture and/or racial traits? Any anons have any suggestions or thoughts?
DC and Marvel Comics would do well with adding Rodentpeople
Yeah, the images lead up to a Catwoman joke
>>63026009I know Starfinder get little love around here. But that is pretty much the idea I worked out for the Ysoki(ratfolk) with my GM. Ysoki being respected by most of the pact world races. But all the classic fantasy races(beside human) still seeing them as vermin. All of them feeling like they have something to prove, but at the same time seeing every little job no matter how meaningless or rough they are asked to do as a stepping stone to that respect.
>>63029047>>63029078>>63029108This makes me curious; anons, how would you make a ratfolk or rabbitfolk character for a Supers game? Mutants & Masterminds, the Marvel or DC licensed RPGs, whatever, how would you make a hero based on a humanoid rat/rabbit?I mean, hell, Squirrel Girl used to be pretty cute until the Calarts brigade got hold of her...
>>63025466Hmm... for a setting like this, which is better? Ratfolk as the original pilots/crew of the spaceship that have descended into tekno-barbarism? Or ratfolk having evolved from the lab rats kept on board?
El Rato es el fin
>>63027436So, does that mean it is not inherently wrong if the setting has human/ratfolk or human/rabbitfolk couples as a background element, then?
In a setting inspired by Ravnica, which Guild-expies could you see ratfolk or rabbitfolk belonging to?I could see ratfolk in the Golgari Swarm, Orzhov Syndicate and Simic Combine, and rabbitfolk in the Simic Combine, Selesnya Conclave and Gruul Clans, myself.
Been thinking on my "star-rats" setting concept: anons, how does this look? Any potential here?History:>The Starseekers, the albino priest-kings of their race, preach that once, the Great Ship was their creation in the mythical Time Before. They created it on some far-flung world, and traveled between the stars before something brought them crashing to this world. But someday, they will make the Great Ship fly again; until that day, they will labor and work, until they have made it whole again.Culture:>A tekno-barbaric theocracy, obsessed with the idea of repairing their Great Ship and returning to the stars, but in reality too technically incompetent to have any real hope of success.>Divided into Great Clans, each of whom performs a major vital task in their society, and the Sprawlers, the clanless outcasts who pursue a life of hardscrabble and anarchic survival in the broken and lawless regions of the Great Ship.>The Starseekers, albino tekno-priests, form the First Clan, directing the race as a whole.>The Terranauts undertake the disreputable but necessary route of trading with and sometimes expeditioning into the world outside in pursuit of material goods (and, secretly, knowledge) that could be useful.>The Biologis produce the food that feeds the ratfolk race, and are also its healers.Gender:>There is a 75/2 percentage split in terms of females to males.>In the Sprawl, this often leads to somewhat brutal patriarchy, as males jealously guard and defend harems of "breeders" to maintain their authority.>Amongst the Great Clans, gender equality is the norm, with the so-called "sperm-bosses" of the Sprawl looked down upon as savages.
>>63031866This is all I have, for now.Religion:>Whilst the Starseekers are the ultimate spiritual authority, lesser faiths and cults proliferate in the Sprawl and amongst the Great Clans. This is tolerated so long as they do not seek to usurp the Starseekers or turn the ratfolk from their holy quest.>The Mother is the ratfolk goddess of fertility and pleasure, a lustful and fecund thing whose myriad breasts and permanently swollen belly speak of her roots as the most primal of their religions. Her religion is beloved by the masses, but looked down upon for its reputed "barbarism" by the Starseekers.>The Shaper of Flesh is a faith that calls for ratfolk to become more than they were, applying cybernetic and biological modifications to transcend their birth limits and improve their race to a superior form.>The Voidminders are a psy-cult, seeking to awaken and hone psionic powers to achieve a spiritual transcendence.>The Seekers of the Forbidden Spark study the arts of arcane magic, a power that has been declared unnatural by the Starseekers for its roots in the "dark world" beyond the Great Ship. Though forbidden, they practice in secret.>The Green Sun Cult is the darkest heresy; they preach abandoning the great work of the Starseekers and leaving the Great Ship to enter the dark world beyond. Whilst many of the Terranauts or Sprawlers abandon their people already, the Green Suns are hated for their attempts to persuade ratfolk to depart the Great Ship enmasse.Magic vs Technology>In truth, most of the ratfolk technology draws its power from psionic energy, or from mystical energy - arcane magic originally, now divine magic.>Magic is well developed in the "dark world", and can match or counter anything that ratfolk science does; rayguns and chainswords are exotic, but far from invincible.>Cybernetic limbs, power armor, energy blasters... the ratfolk produce a wide array of goods, but have little understanding of how it works.
>>63029047>>63029078>>63029108Not sure why I love this.
I like Kiguri's female rats well enough, but I never understood why they'd want to try and present them as "female Skaven". I mean, I know people will make porn of anything, but what about the skaven is that appealing when it comes to ratfolk aesthetics?
>>63034567Skaven are a cool concept for ratfolk in general, or just a good name for rat people.
I, for one, am loving these pictures
>>63020650There's something unwholesome about this.
Furfagotry is baned site wise. I know moderation in this place is a joke but making a general of that? Two thirds of the pics are of fucking humanized rodents, not rat folk.Tits like humans and all that. Mod do you fucking job.
So, in the Star Wars canon, there's a race called the Selonians; humanoid otters who consist predominantly of sterile females, with one (fertile) male per 100 births and one fertile female per 500 births. These fertile females rule as queen mothers, keeping harems of fertile males and reproducing endlessly, dictating general clan policy whilst their legions of sterile daughters do all the actual grunt work of running a civilization.Would you take this reproduction style/society for ratfolk or rabbitfolk? And why?
>>63036575Sure, it's a viable choice for an alien reproduction process/social structure - different enough that there are rules and norms unique to them, yet not especially difficult to explain. People might question my motives if they look like that, though.
What's with this gay furfag shit? Post some real Skaven
I'm out of images I can post, connection or no, but... how does this general feel about human/ratfolk and/or human/rabbitfolk smutfics? I've got a few ideas I could writeup for this thread, but I don't know if /tg/ reads that stuff any more...
>>63018295>Screee>Must eat garbageLOL all these rats. Get Poisoned fags
>>63038212>I don't know if /tg/ reads that stuff anymore
>>63039970I was gonna say something but this sums it up pretty well.
>>63039970>>63040899I don't get it.
>>63041200Yes, /tg/ still reads weird porn, anon.
>>63019072Only if they are bikers.
>>63039970>>63040899>>63041329Well, in that case, here's the smut-seeds on my mind. Content spoilered for delicate constitutions. Whichever one(s) people express interest in, I'll write... or I'll post new ideas I have, whichever.#1: Watership WelcomePlot: Rescued from a bar-fight by a pair of el-ahfrahra brothers, a human mage learns they had ulterior motives for rescuing the fresh new face in town.Tags: Triskelion setting, Human/Rabbitfolk, M/M/M, Traps, Threesome, Cowgirl, Anal, Oral, Size Difference#2: Royal RisingPlot: Another day dawns in the life of a ratfolk, still struggling to adjust from having gone to christmas cake spinster mercenary to a married mother-to-be to a human boy half her age. Luckily, her husband is eager to help her adjust.Tags: Human/Ratfolk, Older Female/Younger Male, Pregnant Sex, Kissing, Tenderness, Possible Multiboobage#3: To Trap a RatPlot: A ratfolk thief-for-hire finds his latest heist gone wrong when he steps right into the lair of a human wizard with an appreciation for rats and his own idea of "proper restitution".Tags: Human/Ratfolk, M/M, Traps, Hypnosis, Dubcon, Oral, Anal, Tenderness, Feminization#4: The Party That Lays Together, Stays TogetherPlot: A ratfolk monk finds her understanding of her party's dynamic when the el-ahfrahra fighter confesses his feelings for their mutual human partner. Feeling obligated to help, she sets out to assist him in getting the human to look at the rabbit with new eyes.Tags: Triskelion setting, Human/Ratfolk/Rabbitfolk, Male/Female/Male-Herm, Threesomes, Voyeurism, Technically TG, Breast Growth, Feminization, Shortstacks, Size Difference
>>630422302 and 4 are realllll good
>>63042429As a requester for #2, then, I ask your verdict:multiple breasts for the ratmilf or no?
>>63042483Do what your heart tells you, but I'd be fine with just two personally
>>63042443Fug im kinda loving this symbolism of death as a rabbit
>>63020570Only ten years? of your worthless life?This is why the devil dosen't return your calls.
>>63018295All this female Skav business has me thinking. If we actually do get another warhammer online, would they make female variants of all the races? Cant imagine it for Orks n Gobs but maybe the Skaven, beastfolk, ogres, etc. If so how would they make it work? Did WO even have much character creation?
>>63044464Assuming people went to the trouble of making another Warhammer Online, it's unlikely they'd bother. For starters, skaven don't let females be anything but lobotomized breeders, with the exception of Thratquee, who turned his breeders into rat-ogre-ish bodyguards because he's into that. Secondly, there probably aren't enough people intrigued by the idea of female gors or ogres to merit the development time necessary to create their models and their equipment.
>>63044464Pretty much what >>63044687 said - Warhammer Online probably isn't going to get greenlit due to how badly the first try was received, and the setting doesn't really support the MMORPG format due to lore. Add in the infamous lore-keeping nature of the Warhammer fanbase, and... yeah, it'd be more hassle than it's worth for Games Workshop to reflavor their armies to make female skaven and beastgors be a thing.Then again, they did do Age of Sigmar, so who knows, maybe they'd consider taking a hatchet to that old-school lore in the name of "greater audience appeal".
>>63031866>>63031873So, yeah, I wanted to bump this info; any feedback? Any suggestions on how I could take this random train of thought stuff and make it better?
>>63046050What does the Green Sun Cult do once they leave?
>>63042230# 2 could be good but >>63042685 I think has got the right idea. I'm boring I guess.
>>63042429>>63046279Okay, amazingly, I got this thing done today. I am seriously out of practice writing anything smutty, so I just hope the idea has translated to text in a way anons here can enjoy. Let me know what you think, anons.https://pastebin.com/dJAYfrXn
>>63019242Generally speaking standing on two feet the placing of the breasts on the chest makes more sense then abdominal based ones.
>>63033309Just like Marvel Adventures comics, you are glimpsing a better world where comics remembered to have fun.If you think about it, there's plenty of visual gags and puns to be made when a Ratwoman dresses up as a Cat and a Human runs around in Bat themed undies
>>63046172The Green Sun Cult's basic goal is freedom; they preach both against the somewhat oppressive reign of the Starseekers and against the cramped, dangerous, restrictive environment in which their people are forced to abide. As Terranauts, the Green Sun Cult seek to establish places for their people in the wider world. They forge secret pacts with other races, and lay the foundations for independent settlements - pioneer villages and farms, essentially. Those who are converted to the Cult's message, or experienced Cultists who cannot take being in the Great Ship anymore, are smuggled to these enclaves, there to begin living in freedom.Does that explain things better?
>63037666>>post some real Skaven>Ratfolk (& Rabbitfolk)>not a skaven threadoof
>>63048824In fairness, skaven ARE a kind of ratfolk, but not all ratfolk are skaven. In fact, some people who like ratfolk actually don't like skaven, Kiguri's art aside.
>>63041554Not that I don't have fond memories of the original 90s run of Biker Mice from Mars, but... why?
Rag ogres, plz?
>>63049415*Rat Ogres even.I am of the retardedness.
>>63047617So... what, was it that bad? Nobody's got any comments on this one?
>>63048695It does, thank you. Does the Forbidden Spark Cult sympathize with their aims, or do they have competing ideas of salvation?
where do you go for kiguri skaven hahajust wondering haha
>>63052722to the furry boorus for the pornhttps://e621.net/post?tags=Kiguri
>>63051895The Forbidden Spark is, as a whole, neutral; some sympathize with them, some agree with them, some think they're a danger to the good of their race. It's not unheard for for a ratfolk to belong to both sects at once.>>63052722They have an account on FurAffinity. Most of their female Skaven art goes to a user there called Fox_XD.
Those proportions... Fucking uncreative and sexual frustrated furries.
Where is everybody? What happened to this thread?
>>63054106What does the Forbidden Spark aim to achieve by using magic?
>>63047648Yeah, honestly, one you get into having hands, it makes sense for the mammely gland to move a bit up.Hell, bears who function on both 2 legs and 4 have their mammerly glands moved up more compared to like, how bovines do it.
>>63057217Really? That's interesting.
>>63057247Yeah, I have a hell of a time finding a good image of bear female atonomy that goes into female secondary sexual charactiistics but there are some okay pictures of bear nipples on bears (ha) that are pretty clearly not as close to the crotch area.I think they may have multiple nipples, and only apes and monkeys do anything kinda close to the human breast, and don't have them be active the whole time.
>>63057441Nice gromril gate-door you have there, beard-things. It'd be a shame-shame if something were to happen to it.
>>63056205To explore the potential it has beyond that which their fragmented and dwindling technological lore offers; the Starseekers are extremely conservative, and their efforts are partially to blame for the stagnation and decline of their race's technology, as each new generation sees more and more old lore shrouded by mysticism and superstition, or lost into the graves of particularly paranoid/power-hungry tekno-priests.Think of the Starseekers as a ratty version of the Adeptus Mechanicus in their "the Tech-Priests are actively stifling the growth and discovery of technology" interpretation.
>>63057464Weirdly, elephants, dolphins and whales all have forelimb-based nipples as well, so it's clearly not just a primate-exclusive trait.>>63047617Well, the lack of critique is ominous... I guess I shouldn't offer more ratfolk or rabbitfolk smut in future versions of these threads, then?
>>63047617It's good stuff, anon. Don't be so negative, sheesh.
>>63058708You liked it? Awesome! Anything in particular stand out? Should I write more on this topic?
>>63059779Totally write more, if you've a mind to.
>>63047617good stuff, kindly make more,i have nothing else to add.
>>63060070>>63061137In fact, I'm thinking I might do some more human M/ratfolk F fics, because we have plenty of Skaven for male ratfolk-focused fics in the smut archive, but a serious dearth of that. Shall I brainstorm some ideas along those lines? That way, I can have them written for the next iteration of this thread?
>>63058534I thought it was pretty well done. Big read, you might be waiting on comments for a while. Slower to critique a story than a picture or quick idea.
>>63061422The human dicking machine can not be stopped
>>63061422You do you, man.
>>63061422a higher than normal chance of more things i like,,, this pleases me, the general lack of decent m-human/f-rat erotica on /TG is quite appaling, carry on good smut-peddler.also, what is your opinion on yinglets, if i may ask?
>>63062060Not that anon, but the hell's a yinglet?
>>63062072http://www.valsalia.com/i am to sleepy to string together an adequat answer that would do the webcomic justice.
>>63061509Thank you for the compliment! You have a good point. I just haven't written smut on my own in ages, I'm worried about how I did is all.
>Ratfolk>Rabbitfolkwhere are the based opossumfolk? Marsupial > Rodent
Yo, I know one of you faggots have it. i need a link to that furaffinity smut with the skaven.
>>63062264Which one? There's lots of FA Skaven smut in both pictures and writing.
>>63062236Sleeping at this hour.
>>63062171>I just haven't written smut on my own in ages, I'm worried about how I did is all.Same, but I think you did pretty well all in all.
>>63034567That and they are they are popular with female players.
>>63062236Hm... Fic featuring a human youth and his girlfriend, an opossum-girl Daisy Dukes/Beverly Hillbillies style wrassling tomboy in a Southern Americana-inspired fantasy town: good idea or bad idea?
>>63062328Are they? Wouldn't think they'd have much of a female fanbase, what with their emphasis on plague, mutation, and evil magic/technology. Figured elves of the various flavors would be the big draw.
>>63061890>>63061918>>63062060Well, let me rummage around in the ol' brainmatter and see if I can come up with anything interesting...#1: Black Bayou BetrothalPlot: Pledged to wed to seal an alliance between their once-hostile villages, a ratfolk ninja and a human rotweaver decide to take their introductions to each other into their own hands with a private moonlight rendezvous.Tags: Human (M)/Ratfolk (F), First Time, Missionary, Tailplay, Petting.#2: The Heat of the MomentPlot: Clashing with her human rival to prove her skills, a ratfolk seizes the victory. In a moment of passion, she succumbs to long-repressed desires for her rival.Tags: Human (M)/Ratfolk (F), Rough Sex, Cowgirl, Femdom...Dammit. I'm drawing a blank. Any scenarios anons wanna see? I seem to find myself drifting to retreads and weirdness more than anything.
>>63062341Good idea. Especially if there's some discrete pouch/pouch-nipple play.
>>63062460#1 sounds nice.
>>63062460#1 sounds good and light hearted, which is the best kind of smut, and I will fight anyone who disagrees.
>>63062493Got a particular scenario you'd like to see them in?Also, don't opossums have their pouches, like, in their asses facing backwards, like koalas and wombats?>>63062634>>63062712Two votes for Black Bayou Betrothal. If I can get at least one more, I'll start work on that tonight.
>Not having rabbitfolk worship Frith & Elirairah
>>63062460>Ranatagi>not RatanagiCome on.Also,> First time Cute.> Rough Sex, Cowgirl, Femdom My fetish, as long as she keeps it up to the end.I want both of these stories. pls help
>>63064118Hey, it's what the archetype is called in the PF book it comes from.>My fetish, as long as she keeps it up to the end.Can you elaborate on what you mean by this, please?
>>63064179I know, I know, I was just disappointed by the fact that the opportunity for a pun was passed up.And what I meant by that was, to actually STAY dominant throughout the whole thing. No reversal where she goes submissive.
>>63064251Ah. That I can most assuredly do. I hope. To the victor goes the spoils, in this case.
>>63034700Skaven are neat but I kind of get annoyed with how often all their most interesting stuff gets eroded away in favor of turning them into Always Chaotic Evil Beast Race # 80 or something. That and said "beast" traits that are meant to be "instinctive" and thus obviously 100% unchangeable are never actually traits rats have, just yet again generic evil dickbag fantasy race stuff. Course then when stuff like Clan Mors gets brought up people then yell that they're mary sue because fuck fuck fuck fuck
>>63064500What are their 'interesting' traits?
>>63064565The whole "parody of mankind" angle; they're rational, free willed creatures, but rather than being driven towards more prosocial behaviors and norms, they're paranoid sociopaths. But these are still human traits, and skaven acts, tho driven by different impulses, are still a reflection of man. They build cities, they do trade, they organize, innovate, question, struggle, and die, in much the same way, just without any guilt to rationalize. Unlike many of the other bad races, which are external dangers and can be contextualized as inhuman in nature, skaven are a direct analog to the flaws and fallacies of humanity and modern civilization. It is why them being rats is appropriate and not just an arbitrary choice; the fear of rats as a society wide sensation emerged in the Victorian era, as people were trying to separate themselves from nature and to place themselves above it, rats represented a transgression force; they could not be kept out of dwellings, they thrived in the places in our society where we failed the most, and their manners and behaviors were far too much like ours to draw a comfortable line between them and us. One line I read about it that I liked was that they unnerved people as they treated humans as humans treated the rest of nature: something to be exploited, consumed, and ultimately overrun. They behave in those manners, tho, because it makes rational sense for them to do so, given their psychological disposition and society, and not because they're just furry evil robots. When asking if a skaven can be good, the question shouldn't be "are they capable of it", but "what could drive them to behave like that in the first place"? Also they're all a bunch of crazy little scamps with pew pew lasers and also puke monks and also frankenrat makers and also ninjas and also angry rats in armor marching and squeaking. Just like humanity, they have a diversity in behavior and ideology, fitting their purpose as a dark mirror to man.
>>63064276Perfect. The second one gets my vote, then. That makes it 2-1 in favour of the cute one.Also, have some Skaven rune translations, because you're a cool dude and this thread is a cool thread.
>>63020788Uncensored? googling Kiguri leads nowhere.
>>63065039Try Kiguri plus the name of the biggest furry art site.
>>63065039>rule34.xxx>not paheal>search skaven>skip over/enjoy the gay shit to find the image in question>now you know
>>63018295Post more big tiddy rats.
>>63064500In fairness, they were invented to BE "Always Chaotic Evil Beast Race #80". Character nuance for its Chaos aligned factions isn't exactly GW's strong suit.>>63065039Look in the gallery of the user Fox_XD on FurAffinity. They're the one who commissioned that pic from Kiguri. Or go to FA and search "Skial and Kater", as those are their names.>>63065071I'm pretty much out of art of that nature which is blue-board safe, ever mind won't get me booted to /trash/. Try looking at the Skaven or Ratfolk galleries on 1d4chan, though; somebody uploaded a lot of big titty ratgirl art with nudes in them there.
>>63065735i know rats have uncanny feet but this is way out there dude. I legit made Ink Eyes my character's waifu in a Dnd campaign lol
all vermin must be purged
>>63024330I don't see the problem-dilemma here
>>63065874Ok, we will start with you!
>>63020570Not even a furfag, but your life probably isn't worth even one ratfags
>>63065906The toes are not as fucked up as in the drawing though.
>>63065907im not a rat vermin
>>63065918Can't hear you over the sound of me purging you man-thing!
>>63062813>pouches, like, in their asses facing backwardsIt's more like a belly button. As far as scenario... Since this is jolly podunk, naughty times while catching a movie at the theater or camping/fishing excursion horseplay-turned-sexin'
>>63064735I feel like maybe you put a bit more thought into it than the actual developers did.
>>63065975Yers... I can work with that. Can you suggest a title?
>>63069150Suck at naming things, sorry.
>>63070505Well, I'll see what I can do, then. So many real-life things in the way - modules to write, smut game designing to work on, chores to handle - so not sure when I'll get any of these smutfics written. But this thread won't last much longer one way or another anyway, so I'll have them ready for the next iteration at least.
>>63020650I like it. I like it a lot. very unsettling is he offering you food or is accusing you?
>>63070570Is that you Magnus?
>>63070691Literally never heard of them.On a different note... we really need more rodentfolk art. Even with Kiguri's stuff, there's just not a lot that's both fantasy (or sci-fi) relevant and blue-board friendly.
Jesus, go to /trash/ you fucking furries. I tough It was a legit thread but not, its used to post links to furry porn.
>>63018295>CNN shits out a fluffpiece on furries>Suddenly all the subhumans start making threads in various boards on 4chan as it they are suddenly welcomeReally makes you think.
>>63024519>>63041701>>63043198>>63043864>>63065913I am saying this from the bottom of my heart that my dearest wish for you furfags is to die an agonizing death.I want every single one of you to remember words should he be involved in a carcrash or a mugging I want you to remember that there is someone out there who is smiling and feeling nothing but pure glee at the mere thought if your demise.
>>63072386Good lord, your life is so DULL. Can’t even insult anybody right, just saying “I hope you die.”And if I said any more it would imply I actually cared so...
>>63062374Go, uhh, meet women. Like talk to them. Like people. Actually consider their thoughts and opinions. You’ll learn a lot.
>>63069911That is so friggin' cute.Honestly, you could replace that ratfolk with an ogre I and I would still love it.
>>63074264It is. Shame Pathfinder rats aren't better suited for druidism. They do make decent witches, though.
>>63074687You know, honestly, I never quite got what the Witch's deal is in Pathfinder, or why people want to convert it to 5e.
>>63020936>rabbitfolk>tentatively named "El-ahfrahrah"Oh, you motherfucker.
>>63075245It's nothing too special. Wizard, plus a warlock patron, minus pretty much all the evocation and "flashy" spells, plus some buffs and healing from druid lists, plus hexes (which work similarly to warlock invocations, giving some bonuses, at-will abilities, or "cast this spell so many times per day"). Still, it managed to be thematically consistent with people's idea of a spooky witch, so it has its fans. Doesn't really need a 5e port with warlock in the PHB, though.
>>63074104I don't like a lot of these, but the feet on this one are really well done.
>>63018355Dat dick tho
>>63072386Lmao, if this is bait it’s pretty overworked. Congrats anon
boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/63075141These fucks are struggling pretty hard to do some shit with ratfolk in their thing here.I ain't got shit but I figured you guess would be interested.Stay /d/egenerate anons
>think ratfolk/skaven are cool as fuck for years>they finally start getting popular>among furriesend my life
>>63062271Link me em' all boy.PLEASE!
>>63079774Who the fuck did you think would realize that ratfolk are a cool and awesome race? The "humans only" crowd huddled around the dying light of /osrg/ and waffling on about how cool and smart and enlightened they are? Please.
Random question, since this thread is about to it its peak and all - congratulations, anons, on making it all the way to a climax with this one! I'll have to try and have those ratwaifu fics ready for the next time somebody starts one of these....Anyway, question: how fertile do you think a female ratfolk or rabbitfolk should be?
Ultimate ratfolk fan question: ratwaifus, yes or no?
>>63079921maybe, but they should look more feral
>>63079896On the one hand, human-like entities will probably have human-like birth rates. On the other, it's fantasy and you can justify pretty much anything on the grounds thereof. Ridiculous birth rates can certainly help to make a race seem strange and alien, though going overboard with that sort of thing raises serious biological questions (how are they maintaining proper nutrition for themselves and their children, how do they carry them, etc.). If they're only fertile during limited time periods, larger births make sense, but if they're fertile year-round, that could easily lead to overpopulation. Not to say that it's unfeasible; skaven stay in business due to reproducing so quickly that they can throw patently ridiculous numbers of bodies at their objectives and suffer no lingering setbacks for losing them. It all really just depends on what you want to do with them.
>>63066759Mmmmaybe. But I also think that archtypes tend to be effective because there's a lot of stuff that kind of operates under the surface of our understanding. We kind of subconsciously find that certain ideas fit together really well, as if by magic. Like how skaven globadiers end up with seemingly super out of place WW1 type gas masks, but that sort of combination of alien appearance and dehumanization of modernity ties into the stuff about rats being a threat derived from the consequences of post-industrial society (and the idea of rats flourishing in the corpse ridden no man-s land in trench warfare), and the use of poison gas is both a reversal in the human/rat poisoning relationship, but also symbolic of the transgressive nature of modern combat, where the strength and valor of an individual is destroyed by an impersonal, lurking, random danger. The strong being undone by the anonymous weak is something that has appeared in rat/rodent mythology (Tower of Bishop Hatto, for instance). A lot of it is just me blowing smoke, and skaven are deffo a result of 20+ years of seeing what shit sticks to the wall, but I think the stuff that sticks, sticks because it resonates due to a symbolic meaning we are cognizant of but not really fully conscious about.
>>63063332I love Watership Down and I tried to have a bit of a gander at the Watership Down fan community online. Apparently there is a HUGE SPLIT between the Movie/Book Fans and the TV Episode Community. The movie/book community are less vocal and not really unified. More or less they will like to talk about pertaining the legends of El Ahrairah & his Servant Rabscuttle, The Blackrabbit, etc. and work on that.However, The TV series side -- surprise, surprise, were a bunch of furries were full of vore projection, talking about their OCs and shipping Bigwig with Hazel or Fiver. Adams didn't die for this. Also hopeful that the new series will be adequate.I love rabbits depicted by Adams and wish I could find more books written like in the natural sense of animals, without any of that crazy furry bullshit.
>>63064735I never thought of it like that. Thanks for the insight and perspective, anon!
>>63018355fuck yeah yuan-tis
>>63080587This is a ratfolk thread, begone lizard
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