Sorry it took so long guys. Really busy and hectic day at work.Swords of Avalon is back for its 11th installment. Docs with the lore:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cm16GUoQtg5IqTe0FM9dKD15TpJGpkOf0Zzi5TS3BGM/editLinks to the previous threadshttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/62177905http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/62336286http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/62262342Thread Question: What dinner did you guys have? Pork Chops, Applesauce and steamed veg and riceThread Goal: Let's continue expanding the RT-Lombard War. We were doing pretty well, apparently Sinibald III was capable of some brilliance while being despotic.
>>62423910>Swoards Of AvalonDamn it all.
>>62423910>This is pretty much the basic rundown of the RT-LE War currently. Due to the Swiss not letting the RT through, this makes them only have ONE way in: through AF territory. However the Lombards can bring in a bunch of bodies from the East and Center to fight them off.Sorry for the crappy map. We really need a proper star map for the setting
>>62424005Some brief brilliance from Sinibald III>Due to how poor the Round Tables showing in the RT-LE War, they are currently, and failing, to get the Swiss to open their borders for them to move troops through. >The Swiss don't want to because:-They don't wan't foreign troops moving through their territory-They are actually on good terms with the Lombards on trade and such, despite Sinibald III's despotism he kept the himself in the Swiss' good graces in case of such an eventuality.-They are miffed by recent trade deals with the RT and enjoy seeing them get pounded by the Lombards>The RT has also recently tried sanctions against the Swiss for continuing trade with the Lombards with the War ongoing, but the Swiss have repulsed with their own sanctions and would happily trade with the Lombards and their Eastern and Northern neighbors to keep themselves afloat.
AquilaeThe offspring of normal Humans and the Godlike Patricians of RoME. Over the course of the existence of the Patricians, one must remember that they were and are Human at their cores. As such, they have the same faults as the rest of us. One such fault is Lust. Aquilae as said previously are the, typically bastard offspring between normal Humans and the Patrician rulers of RoME. In many cases the Aquilae are little better than regular Humans. The forged genetics of the Patricians do not transfer very well outside of an Iron Womb and immense care. Generally Aquilae show the typical improvements of enhanced strength, recovery, stamina, intelligence and a host of minute details. It is very rare for natural born Aquilae, as natural as they are, to have any more than that. Even the most impressive outliers do not hold a candle to their Godlike Sires. Many a rebellions were led by hateful Aquilae against the Patricians that were put down like dogs. Due to the number of Patricians, their longevity and power (both wealth and physical) it is assumed that there were thousands of Aquilae by the time of RoME's collapse and the Dark Age and Round Table's formation since. The High Houses of the Round Table are apparently cagey to go through with testing for Aquilae blood in their lines for whatever reason.
>>62424339Due to their enhanced abilities, those with known Aquilae Blood tend to be snatched up by the Corps. and fast tracked when possible to being Knights to put their enhancements to use best. Their is resentment by those more baseborn towards the Aquilae over the latter being given preferential treatment due their abilities. It is hard to get an average viewpoint from the Aquilae due to their varied backgrounds, but the consensus is they would rather not be piloting.Such has the thirst by the Corps. for Aquilae grown over the years that less and less are being found annually. Whether this is due to Aquilae simply hiding or running away, or even the theory that Aquilae are simply coming up less and less due to being thrown in to battle.
Sometimes I wish you people would just post something useful.Lord Vaddon John Gawain, CEO of Gawain Industrial65 years oldCheerful, bright and generally a good natured fellowmakes Lord Gawain a pleasure to be around. He is always willing to have a talk with others whether to cheer them up or help them out with their problems. He is quite possibly the only man on the Round Table to get a laugh out of Lord Argravane in all the time he's been on the RT. Lord Gawain wishes to see the Round Table aid and guide Humanity towards a bright and prosperous future. However, the infighting that occurs among the Tables members have slighty soured this view over the years and have left him somewhat exasperated by the other Lords' attitudes. Was this not what caused the DC in the first place and let it escalate to such devastation? Regardless of his good nature, Lord Gawain does not tolerate those that try to make aggression upon his Corporation and Family. In his youth he has personally taken to the field a number of times and has the Sigils of at least Four Lords hanging over his Solar's Fireplace.
>>62425089"Hello Neighbor. Is there something wrong? You seem troubled, mind if I be of assistance?"Lord Gawain makes considerable use of his Corporation's considerable wealth of biotech and PR department to maintain the image of the kind and caring Uncle/Father/Grandfather. Though he is already quite such a person, it doesn't hurt to have a little aid to help him out. Lord Gawain's relationship with his family is very good with only his 3rd son being in anyway estranged, having decided to become an archeologist last seen in Lombard at the Nugheres Stones. Given the proximity of the Stones to the frontline and being in Lombard territory, Lord Gawain has been notably disquieted over the events taking place at the battlefront. Overall the RT-Lombard War has left a bad taste in the Lord's mouth. While Sinibald III was a despot and had worsened the good relationship the RT had with Lombard, the war was uncalled for in his eyes. Given the swift ness Sinibald IV executed his father and Advisors/Cabinet and tried to immediately call for a Treaty Signing only to be rebuffed by the RT, things had very much regressed.How do the other Lords/Corps. feel about the war?
Oswulf' DragoonsSaxon Mercenary company. Fairly young by most axon companies, the Dragoons have been making waves in recent years for their effectiveness and sudden meteoric rise. Currently led by Oswulf Beornnoth of Cwmgill, a mysterious figure with his past shrouded in mist. Many attempts have been made to discover his origins with not eve nSagramore availing. Oswulf finds the efforts of the intelligence community t odiscover his past, which he is tight lipped on, to be hilarious. His past is his own and will unveil to those he feels worthy. He cares only for doing a good job and acquiring cold hard currency.The Dragoons are a versatile Company that are equipped and trained for just about any eventuality. Their Cavalier Stables range from the common Daggers to even having a few Lances on board their small fleet for space battles.
>>62425089>>62425241Maldwyn David Gawain42 years old3rd Son of Lord GawainWhereas Lord Gawain is bright, cheery and outgoing, Maldwyn is the opposite. Dark, brooding and introverted, few can imagine Maldwyn having come from Lord Gawain's loins. While their are rumors that Maldwyn is a bastard from Vaddon or his Wife, easily accessible paternity tests show this as false. Many just chalk it up to chemistry and that Maldwyn prefers quiet. Always studious, Maldwyn has always been interested in the study of history and it's preservation. A reason for his estrangement from his father was the arguments they had over Maldwyn seeking to join with Parcival or even Lanval to further his studies for his History degree. Lord Gawain did this to prevent talk and possible incursions by either Corp, but the damage had already been done.Maldwyn has not reported his father since the RT-Lombard War began, and the Lord is becoming truly worried.
Eclipse 'Aerodyne Dropship'Gawain Industrial is qwell known for their lesser number o Cavaliers in comparison to most other Corporations. Part of this reason is due to the DC. All the Corps. had been hit hard by Wars end and Gawain was especially hard hit, never truly recovering even over a century since. Another is from modern training that was influenced by the post war rebuilding, Gawain simly focused n quality rather than numbers while focusing on rebuilding.Their are other factors but those were the main ones. In response to these deficiencies over the years, Gawain has focused on non-Cavalier forces in recent years to cover more ground and improve deterrence. In comes the Eclipse. Technically classified as an Aerodyne Dropship, the Eclipse has only superficial resemblance to those trans-atmospheric craft. Incapable of escaping into, let alone flying in space, the Eclipse is strictly sky bound. It has minimal troop capacity beyond its compliment of security personnel and crew, none can even carry Cavaliers or Cohorts. What the Eclipse was meant to do is one thing: Carry the biggest gun in the sky and rain death on enemies below. To do this, the Eclipse is armed with one of the largest Particle Cannons mounted on an atmospheric craft in recent memory. Many examples are recorded of a blast completely disintegrating Cavaliers caught too close to it. Many have called the Eclipse un-chivalrous and dangerously skirting what is seen as proper for a duel
>>62425925Ignore the Eclipse, I was bored and actually enjoy writing up vehicles/ships.
Where the hell is everyone? This place tends to be a little more active towards the end of the day.
I think I'll just make thread 11.5 since no one is awake. Good night everyone.
>>62424339Are there any patricians/aquilae in italy or are they all extinct ?
>>62426261I am awake.
>>62426766Possibly Aquilae, the Patricians either fled or died in the years since.
>>62423910I ate cornemal porridge with some gizzard
>>62426831I made cornmeal porridge yesterday, what a coincidence.
A idea i had for a lombard vehicle based on the venetian warhammer (Warhammer is already a tank name so i am not sure wich name)>artilerry walker operated by a crew, more like a tank with legs than a cavalier.
>>62424666I was thinking of Aquilae being able to 'open' the Vaults/safes of their Patrician sires/ancestors due to a thing going on with their genes due to the Patrician lineage showing up in unusual ways. Or they're able to decipher the Patrician's secret text and what not due to said connection
>>62426915Found a name Martello d'armi (Warhammer but in italian).
>>62426951>>62426915That could work. The Lombards inherited a wealthy and advanced State (not as advanced as the RT but pretty good) but they went in possible different direction here and there.
>>62426986I know RT tanks have monks but what about other factions tanks ?Do they just have normal crews ?
>>62427035Very likely. Why let another faction/foreign entity handle your forces?
Venice is also one of Lombard's most important ship construction systems throughout all of the Empire. Each day several new Dropships are created, let alone the Castles they produce.
I wonder how the Lombard's futurism aesthetic would apply to vehicles/mechs.The italian futurist art i can find is mostly abstract or architecture (All the vehicles are just 20th century vehicles depicted in a colorfull and fast looking way).
Flashpoint: Swiss-AF-Lombard borderA recent battle between RT Naval squadrons and Lombard Naval forces have recently bled into the Swiss border and have been battling throughout the edge of the Alps. This has acquired the attention of local Swiss forces who tried to cease the fighting and expel both sides at once. However tradgedy struck when a battle broke out and the Swiss were fired upon. It is still unknown who fired first, the RT or Lombard. But a fifth of the Swiss force was destroyed in the ensuing battle. Since then there has been a brief lull in the War to determine what happened and how this may affect the war. If it was the RT that fired, the Swiss could potentially join the War at minimum with more aid to the Lombards, possibly even aid through Military forces. If it was the Lombards, they may very well lose their only real reliable trade partner and ally.
>>62427152Kind of like this
>>62427246Actually, mix the helmet with this statue for the elite Cavaliers. Possibly in a way to mimic/ape the ByZantines
>>62427152Retro futurism is also an aesthetic we could use for the Lombards
>>62427346I got the pic from Dark Roasted Blend on their Retro Futurism piece. They have a few articles on other art styles.
You want to know who'd be perfect for RoME's aesthetic? Syd Mead, check his stuff out.
Well good night. If this thread dies see here>>62426261
While we're talking aesthetic, I feel like cyber-renaissance from Human Revolution would be a good fit for ByZant. All that black-gold with some purple throne in would fit nicely. And it's funny because the Byzantine state died at the outset of the Renaissance.
>>62427270While about buildings i think this article might be good for mecha design:>https www.unknown .nu/futurism/architecture .html.Number four especially is the most usefull imo>That decoration as an element superimposed on architecture is absurd, and that the decorative value of Futurist architecture depends solely on the use and original arrangement of raw or bare or violently colored materials.
>>62425241>How do the other Lords/Corps. feel about the war?I imagine the war would be viewed as a great opportunity to gain power by weaker Corps like Agravian (who was already hated by most of the Round Table) or Merovingian Arms (an upstart outsider to the Table who would most likely than not be looked down upon). The war would otherwise give them a sanctioned method to vastly expand their power base through hostile takeovers of Lombardian space. These particular companies would most likely invest great resources into the war, hoping such a risky gamble would pay off. >>62427696Ooh, that's interesting. Lombardian mechs, when viewed in pieces, seem relatively simple at first glance. But its the organization and optimization of the pieces that Lombardian engineers value. When these pieces are put together, they form a much more impressive machine than each part could have offered individually.
>>62427530I imagine byzantines looking more like the imperium of man.Your idea could work tho; with the clothes and some others elements being more greco-roman than 15th century.
>>62427696>>62427729So the Lombard Cavaliers are more than the sum of their parts?
>>62427735>imperium of man.I thought about using the Imps as a basis, but they seem almost too garish for the ByZants. They'd be similar, but Zant would always seemed much more smooth and clean compared to the cluttered art of the Imperium. They'd still have their overbearing nature and overall color scheme, but ByZant works would be a little less in your face about it. But that's just my read on things.>>62427747It's weird, but I think Lombardian engineers would be those guys who'd look at a bunch of different parts no one would imagine could possibly fit together and then put it together in such a way that it works way better than anyone could have expected.
>>62427787I don't think I have a mech art that describes what you're saying.
>>62427805Actually I think I do, the Glitterboy is sort of what I think of what you're saying. At first it looks like a terrible combo but then it manages to come together.
>>62427729>>How do the other Lords/Corps. feel about the war?Part 2Anyway, I also think the stronger corporations like PenDragon and DuLac would be at the very least concerned over the Lombardian War. Should their weaker members win, then they would have to deal with much more powerful rivals at the Table. But at the same time, having the these smaller corporations lose too much would place a great onus on the leading Round Table corporations who would then have to take their defeated brethren's place in defending against threats to the Table. Realizing this, they too have sent troops to Lombardia to both gain a cut of the spoils and to deprive the weaker corporations of those very spoils. >>62427805I guess what I'm trying to get at is that Lombardy Cavaliers would look simplistic, but there's a beauty their functionalism. Or something. I can't really imagine a futurist mech.>>62427859This is so weird, but it actually looks really neat.
>>62427882The simplicity idea is perfect. They look plain but when a competent Knight is behind the controls they hit above their weight class. I imagine several RT Knights getting a rude awakening when they go up against the Lombards thinking they are just upjumped Barbarians playing at being civilized.
>>62427729Lombard mechs should have more exposed mechanisms, covering them only for protection rather than aesthethic using armor plates instead of creative decorations (Think how pic related has exposed steel beams and a visible elevator shaft).
>>62427918>>62427968SUMO from Turn also is very good for this
>>62427882>>>How do the other Lords/Corps. feel about the war?Part 3: Electric Bugaloo 2The ByZants are simultaneously oscillating between being incredibly, utterly, and entirely furious at the Lombard-Round Table War and also incredibly terrified. They had long since hoped - no, expected - to reconquer former Italia because that's who they are and who they derive their authority from, symbolically if nothing else. And now, not only do they have to deal with the Saracens stalemating them in the Sicilian Cluster but now another human polity they have probably barely even heard of with a dozen plus times their production capabilities has decided to throw its hat into the ring. For the ByZant, this is the first time they actually get to see the Round Table flex its muscles in their backyard. The Saracens are... actually, have the Saracens had any interaction with the Round Table? Do we have a Battle of Tours equivalent?>>62427918>>62427968>>62427978I wish I could add more to these, but I'm liking all of it and I think we've got a good image of an Italian Cavalier.
>>62428014Yeah, seemingly plain but actually very effective Cavs that surprised the RT Knights when they truly fought them. The AF were much more used to them after a century of being neighbors. Also Lombard cavs on the tabletop are easy to paint due to nice flat/simple surfacesThe Saracens? I'm sure they were invading through Hispania when the DC broke out and they started helping out against the Morrigan/Mordred forces.
>>62427346They could have some retro-futuristic influences but based around ww1 and the belle epoque; rather than the steampunk/80s/art deco/space age trapping in most retro-future settings.
>>62428069Just looked it up. It does seem to fit the Lombards with them being a rising power and the build up to the Lombardian War. All that progress gone like tears in the rain...
>>62428014>>>How do the other Lords/Corps. feel about the war?Okay, so just to wrap this whole thing up, I imagine the RT-Lombardian War goes through three-ish periods: the initial Alpha Frank invasion during the Incursion Period, the entrance of the smaller corps after AF encountered stiff and unexpected resistance, and finally a full-scale commitment of Round Table forces when the rest of the Table decide to throw their weight in. It's basically a steady escalation of larger and larger factions getting dragged in until, if it isn't a war before, it sure as hell is now. You guys have any thoughts on this? I'm mostly just spinning wheels here personally. It's a fun thought exercise. >>62428127>>62428069What about Alpha Frank having a dieselpunk aesthetic to contrast the Lombardian turn-of-the-century look? A aggressive faction that was geared to war and ultimately finds the tides of war turning against them. A nice bit of poetry.
>>62428179"We broke the yoke of the Leagu over a century ago. And these Corporate dogs want to shackle us again?! Not on our watch. My Grandpa didn't get his legs blown off while storming one of their Castles for these ponces to put us in chains again! FOR KING AND COUNTRY!"
>>62428218Angry Lombardians get consistently angrier as the war goes on, reaching max mad by the time it hits full swing. Good stuff. Anyway, I'm heading off. If the thread makes it through the night, I'll see you all sometime late tomorrow. If not, I'll catch you in 11.5.
>>62427805Maybe the robot from metropolis could be a inspiration.The city in the movie was inspired by futurism.
>>62428179Not sure about the general AF aesthetic, but DuLac Dynamics has a art deco style.
>>62428350I dunno might be too art deco.
So does this war hamper the movements of monks and other religious, or are they tolerated?
>>62428179>>62428218Awesome Lombard war stuff! >didnt Robert DuLac get captured st some point? The shame for Alstair 6th...>>62429617I think that Merlim handles travel Lombards as well so the Green Tank Monks (GTM) are tolerated. Probs thouht to be spies still.
>>62429833>>62429617I wonder if the RT is quietly pestering MERLIN for Starways info to gain the upperhand. Or that would be too much honestly.Maybe other nations have their own manner of guiding them along the Starways? We know Aegypt has the Pharos' across their territory to guide and disrupt ships. Since the Lombards conquered the League maybe they have their own similar system to the Pharos or MERLIN? The League had extensive trade and espionage with the RT for a long time...
SeawaysNormally the Seas of dark space between the stars s a treacherous journey even for modern ships. But there is a manner of crossing them. Seaways are a subset of Starways connecting two points across the especially vast Great Seas. Due to the potential they have unlocked, cutting down travel immensely since ships can simply be crossed straight through rather than take weeks/months to travel around, they are zealously guarded by parties that own and operate them. Due to the trade importance that is higher than the military, it is quite common for two nations to operate conjoined Gates so trade is open. The Brundisium-Apollonia Seaway and Avalon Channel are among the most famous and well used.
Flashpoint: Capture of Robert DuLacRecent reports stun the RT Coalition Command with the news of the capture of "Heir" Robert DuLac. Testimonies from his unit claim that during a battle on the border that Robert strayed too far and was defeated apparently by the 'Crimson Griffons' the Honor Guard of the current Crown Prince of Lombard. News regarding his whereabouts or state of well being are currently unknown, but many believe that Lombard may very likely use Robert as part of negotiations during an armistice. Lord DuLac reportedly has not deigned to give his view of the situation.
CondottieriA catch all term in modern times for the Mercenaries that originated in Lombard/Italia. Originally the Condottieri were evolutions/offshoots of the Mercenariy Legions of RoME that existed within Italia during and following the collapse of RoME. Like many MLs across RoME, many would run rampant and could raid and plunder to their hearts content with a Legion's unity only going as far as the next raid. Many still however stayed where they were and joined with local aristocrats/Patricians not only out of loyalty or money, but also for the fact they were defending their homes since many came from the systems they were stationed in. It is the latter where the Condottieri hail from. Throughout the Dark Age the MLs would evolve as the numerous Mercantile states formed out of Italia from the machinations of the Patricians and Megacorps who would make use of readily available troops . Condottieri would come in two flavors by the tie of Lombard: Either standing Armies beholden to Megacorps that made up the League or Free Companies that were ready to be hired by anyone with enough coin to pay for them. Ultimately it would be the latter group that would be the downfall of the League as the invading Lombards would buy many of them with their already plentiful riches and promises of more as Italia was conquered. The League was quite strong, but it was during the conquest that it shattered and was remade into the Empire of Lombard.
>>62432617Many Condottieri came from the lower and middle classes with a smattering of Corporate Nobility. It would be the first two that made the majority of the Free Companies and even the standing armies of the Corporations. Many would see the Lombards as the chance to finally rid themselves of the League once and for all and readily joined the Lombards in their Migration/Conquest of Italia. As more and more of the league fell to the Lombards and Condottieri, more systems rose in rebellion and joined them in the overthrowing of the League. The League was simply incapable of dealing with such a situation as more and more states fell to the conquering hordes. By the end of the conquest most by then had fled to either RT space or even ByZant. With the conquest assured there was the talks pertaining the Condottieri and the rebuilding of Italia into Lombardia. Many Condottieri chose to lay down their arms and joinf the rebuilding while many chose to either leave for greener pastures or even stay in now Lombardia to act as State Run Mercenary Companies. The new Lombard Empire would make great use of the new Condottieri to acquire new wealth to pay for reconstruction and gain new technologies from across Human space. The new Condottieri were notably smaller in number and fewer companies entirely to prevent a repeat of the Conquest.
There is much belief in the theory that the Lombards are closely rlated to the Saxons. Evidence people point to is the similarities in language, dress, ethnicities and even their early battle tactics they employed that resemble the Saxon invasion. But there are those which believe the Lombards were not a singular group the nbut a myriad of migrating groups that joined together for some reason or another. The information from the Lombards is sketchy themselves and they care little for their origins and have preferred to have integrated themselves into the Italian population.
>>62433770I like this lends a little mystery, also how dis the saxons travel during the Dark ages did they just shoot and pray they'd hit a planet m
>>62429617I imagine they're given the ability to travel,within reason. A ship going to aid refugees on a planet isnt gonna get attacked but an entire monastery worth of tanks might raise eyebrows. Also should the monks have Land Cruisers?
>>62433853Land Cruisers you say? Probably on some worlds where they have really important facilities.
>>62433889I guess the Monks probably get a pass on using such vessels compared to the Eclipse>>62425925 I made for Gawain due to the fact the Monks don't often fight with other people.
Land Ships/CastlesLikely these are derivatives of Dropships and smaller Castles but of course they are landbound. They are also likely used in duels but usually only against themselves with some support elements. They tend to carry a lot of weapons and can wipe out whole groups of Cavaliers and their Cohorts with little effort. Some are even equipped with Starship grade weapons that can target Low Obit targets.
>>62433770I wonder if they are related to the alpha franks too.
>>62435089I'm backLikely given the Franks are a Germanic people.The Lombards are pretty much a mutt people of dozens of groups that joined together for survival against the Dark Age.
>>62433808>did they just shoot and pray they'd hit a planetProbably sometimes, also thry used old RoME era charts. This probs was a partial reason for their invasion: honestly they could not have gone towards any other location than the semi-mythical homeworld.
>>62435241That's an interesting view of it.
How fast are Cavaliers on ground? Just wondering as I imagine them not being the fastest though they can likely walk, run, hover and what not.
>>62435432It varies I imagine the lighter the Cavalier the faster it goes, Daggers, Franciscas and similar models are blitz style fighters while Long swords might move fast but aren't lightning. Lances are a dedicated space model and are said to kinda suck on the ground
>>62435866Figured as much. But the increased leg length for the Longsword as well as the powerful engines they have would definitely make them nippy, moreso than their size would indicate.
>>62435866I'm sure their are atmospheric specific Lances around in SoA but they'd have to compete with the Arrows. And if a Lance gets that close to the ground something has gone very wrong.
The more I think about it, I don't think Class works very well for Cavaliers/Tanks etc. Type works better, Class generally refers to a specific model (Johnson vs Fletcher Class Destroyers)
>>62436801And 4Chan just posted my stuff without my consent.Type would be a better fit. Longswords are Heavy Generalist Type Cavaliers, Daggers are a Type of Cavalier that are a couple steps above Cuirassier armor. The Caliburn is a Class of Longsword specific to PenDragon while the Arondight is the Longsword Class specific to DuLac.
>>62436852That's fair, the weapon types more describe specific battlefield roles than anything after all.>>62436852
>>62438468ThanksSpanghelm Cuirassier PlateThe middle weight and by far most common Cuirassier plate available to the RT Corporations. Virtually all Corps. have their own variations of this un-doutable design. It is believed the modern Spanghelm is a conglomeration of several previous designs used throughout the RT dating back to its founding. The Modern Spanghelm was first born in the crucible of the DC like many other weapon systems common nowadays. The belief it was a mixture of designs holds merit as the RT joined forces and freely traded information to gain every edge they could over the threat of Morrigan and Mordred.Walk bump
>>62436852>4Chan just posted my stuff without my consent.How does this work ?
>>62439501I like it. The spangen was that common?
>>62441037It's the nosehelm, so yeah
Sorry I was shopping for a party this weekendWhat would a good name for Heavy Cuirassier Plate? I was thinking Great like the Helm but it sounds just odd. Maybe Crusader? In reference to Janotte's Crusade or another name for the RT-Lombard War.
>>62442107What about Heaume ?It is another name of the great helm.Also does anyone know what the shorwell helmet is ? the doc cites it as a aging saxon helm.
>>62442230Good name I'll do a write up.Pic related
>>62442230*the doc cites it as a aging saxon cuirassier.
>>62442245Pretty basic.Probably loosing space to the Coppergate medium cuirassier and the Sutton Hoo heavy cuirasier.
>>62442230Heaume Heavy Cuirassier PlateA common joke about the Heaume is if it were any bigger it'd be a Dagger Cavalier. While very much an exaggeration, there is no denying the Heaume is the largest and most powerful Cuirassier Plate developed and fielded by the RT. Originally a joint venture between Yvaine Security and oddly Argravane Incorporated, the Heaume has become an increasingly common sight. Born out of the post DC reconstruction, the Heaume was is meant to fix the issues with Cuirassier Plate during the DC: Low survivability, firepower and longevity being the prime reasons. The wide range of Anti-Infantry Beasts and the power of even small Dragons effectively drove Cuirassier off the field of battle out side of support and rearguard roles. The lack of firepower to counter the various beasts was also a hindrance especially in confined spaces against the newer Werewolfs. And Longevity was to increase the deployment time which would be retrofitted to lighter Plate.
>>62442345The Heaume was the first ever Cuirassier to wield HF weapons as well as new models of rocket launchers, recoiless rifles and a number of new toys to better its lethality. Armor was a new type that had more in common with that used on Cavaliers. Many even were equipped with jump jets and muscle packages to boost mobility
>>62442396I take armet/sallet/close helm/bascinet are going to appear in the future ?
>>62442434Yeah at least a century or two
>>62442345Maybe we could have the enclosed helmet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosed_helmet) ?As a weaker copy/prototype of the heaume used by mercs and non rt nations.
>>62442579That sounds pretty good. EnclosedOriginally the prototype to the Heaume, the designers and engineers involved realized how effective it was before it was finalized into the Heaume. They refined the Enclosed as it was and then put it on the market to Mercs and House guards looking for a more powerful infantry but not as much as the much more powerful Heaume.
I was writing a piece on Tours and then realized how deep in France it was and accidentally pressed the wrong button and deleted my story :(
>>62444243What I mean by this is for the longest time I always thought Tours was on the border of France and Spain given the whole 'And Charles Martel drove the Muslims back and kicked so much ass they never tried to advance on the French ever again' I never new it was so close to Paris.
I need to sleep but I'll finish this tomorrow at work, Night.MousselThe Gate of HispaniaThe prime Starway system that connects AF-RT territory with the Hispania Cluster. With the collapse of the Visigoth Nation following the Saracen Invasion and the outbreak of the Dragon Conflict, the Cluster has been a hot spot for countless Knight Errants seeking glory and riches. The sheer number of Knights and ships moving to and from the system has made Moussel very wealthy. While technically it is on the AF side of the border, it is largely independent for the last 70 years and uses its position to greatly influence the border between the sides. Moussel has become the prime center for mercenary companies and Errant Knights given the stability and Starway it possesses.
>>62442736So to put it in wh40k terms; i guess the enclosed is the size of a terminator armor while the heaume is a big as a centurion ?
>>62439501>conglomeration of several previous designs.This makes me wonder, since the spangenhelm was introduced by sarmatians.What about having spehss sarmatians (Probably a footnote and going extinct with exception of a few houses) ?There were sarmatians soldiers who remained in britain after the romans left and they seemed to have had some influence on arthurian legend.
I was reading through the docs and came upon that MERLIN was also in charge of creating Fusion Engines. Should other factions be allowed to make their own so as to not be screwed by the RT shutting down trade? I'm sure ByZant is able to make their own. I just don't want MERLIN to become a C* knockoff is all.
Guys I'm gonna have to phone post because my work computer is taking forever to load captcha
>>62446984The Sarmatian connection is pretty weak given the lack Iranian/steppe genes beyond very recent findings. And the time drift over 1500 years since the last Sarmatian died off.
>>62449821It might be that ByZant has so much power as they can produce their own. Same with Aegypt?
>>62450917I'd say the same. Lombard also likely has their own Reactor plants for such a purpose given the conquered the League over a century ago. Also only the compeuters in the SS Lab weren;t working properly. The PT Lab is fine.
>>62451042So MERLIN and it's groups are the only ones who create the Fusion Engines for the RT io ensure a balance of power between the Corps. Lombard has a number companies that are spread across their territory to ensure good distribution and competition (ironically this is better than the system MERLIN has in place with the RT)ByZant and Aegypt are very tech savvy and old enough to make their own Fusion Engines well.
I'm gonna add a section to the docs about extinct factions/groups. They're interspersed around the docs.
I think the setting is pretty fleshed out . What about you guys? All we need right now is a proper map and then w can probably do some more
>>62444569Should Tours be the site of a major DC battle? Mabe it's where Charles Martel and the MAC become truly famous and it helps set them up for being on the RT?
>>62452271Tours Tours was a simple system that focused mostly on agriculture for nearby systems that lacked the capabilities to do so for themselves. It also was a Starway with good connection to Paris, which was and still is an important commercial and industrial center for the AF. Morrigan Forces were hoping to use Tours as a staging point to strie at Paris and then use it as a spring board to further spread out into the North Eastern territories of the AF. Unfortunately the forces that protected the Paris system were spread out to protect its surrounding and sparsely populated systems. The only real protection afforded to Paris was the fairly large back then MAC. MAC in thos days was larger than most Corporate AF groups but were still fairly young and generally considered untested by any real standard. It would not be unthinkable to see the situation as immensely dire for everyone involved. But luckily the inhabitants of Paris and MAC had a secret weapon: Charles Martel.
>>62451096My gut say that the Lombards might not be making them,so much as using up old caches of RoME tech. Or if thry are making them they aren't the most stable of things.
>>62453100They've been in Italia for over a century and have the huge population required to sustain their society. I'd guess they can make lots of smaller grades fairly effectively. But maybe they're just using older patterns from RoME and are only now making their own modern models? So their forces are actually under powered but very durable/long lasting.
>>62452543Martel was a rising star in the MAC and already was married to the CEO's Daughter. This gave him considerable pull and was an incredible stepping stone for his political career.Martel had already proven himself against the Dragons and Beasts of Morrigan for the past 3 years the Conflict had been raging. While the scale was larger than what he had been used to, he nonetheless knew there was no backing down. Fleeing or dying were the same to him: the loss of his reputation and legacy. So he began to work and get the forces of MAC and the remaining Parisian defenses to work to prepare for the coming storm.
>>62453456https://youtu.be/EOA1wBw_Jt4Ultimately Martel's strategy for the battles of Tours was a Hammer and Anvil of immense scale. The remaining Parisian force, the MAC would be there to stall and hold off the Morrigan Horde as best they could for help from the surrounding systems to arrive and fully surround the Dragons. The plan was risky and dangerous, but it was the best they had at the moment given their lack of more advanced and numerous forces. It was all or nothing for the Alpha Franks gathered there in those worrying days. When the day of reckoning came, the Franks and their allies were ready for blood and oil to be spilled. At first the Horde came in trickles, they were easily repulsed, but a more apt comparison is the leaks that fortell a breaking dam. As time went on more and more Dragons and Beasts arrived, until they seemingly blotted out the sun it self. The reports had been wrong, the coming Horde was larger than anticipated. The Defenders of Tours steeled themselves and braced for the synthetic monsters to meet them.
>>62435241Did not the saxons first come to england as mercenaries to fight celts and other barbarians; and when the britons could not pay them they decided to start raiding and later called their mainland brothers to invade ?
>>62453645After this thread dies I'm done with SoA. The battle was met as Man and Machine clashed in a titanic struggle. What was a blink in the cosmos was everything in the eyes of every man and woman that fought that day. Yet despite their gallantry and efforts it was obvious that they could not stop the Horde with their numbers here. The Machines were untiring and relentless in their advance. As the hours passed more and more of the defenders died or even cowardly fled to save themselves and those they could save.As it went on even Martel could see that the only choice was to fight and hope for relief by the surrounding systems. All of them hoped the same with all their heart and soul for they knew every second counted.
>>62453854I'm not writing anymore now that I think of it. I'm just tired of it all. Bye everyone.
>>62453854So the invaders are dragons rather than saracens ?Or are the saracens going to invade later on ?.
>>62453895The Saracens were stopped in Hispania with the DC breaking out. So they started helping out fighting the Dragons.
>>62453854>>62453885Why do I keep having the urge to write?On the 7th hour of the battle, when the Defenders of Tours were driven back to the orbit of the planet did their salvation arrive. Like an re-enactment of the Dragons appearing, the force of Humans were a surprise for the Defenders. The IFFs did not lie: it was not the AF or even the other RT races, but the Saracens. The once invaders from the East immediately began to strike the Dragons from the rear to drive them off of the Defenders of Tours. While the Defenders were perplexed at how the Saracens were so deep in AF territory they weren't going to question the appearance of relief. But depsite the arrival of the Saracens the two forces were still out numbered, but not as much as before. But what truly gave the Defenders new hope that re-fired their resolve was news from the Saracen Commander Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi that more relief from the surrounding systems and even a host from the RT was coming to aid. need to get home. See you in a bit.
>>62454121With renewed vigor, the beleaguered Defenders redoubled their efforts to regroup and lead the Dragons to follow them into a hastily formed hammer and anvil. The Dragons realized that they had been duped and instead chose to strike at the more fragile but fresh Saracens to relieve themselves of the more strong foe and then focus on the weak AF. When the Defenders realized this they instead reversed their original plan with them being the hammer and the Saracens the Anvil.
>>62454121>how the Saracens were so deep in AF territory.Maybe they were invading but had a change of heart once they saw the threat to humanity the dragons were (Alternatively merlin might have pulled some psychic strings to make them join like he did in luna)?
>>62455656By the time of Tours the DC has been ongoing for like a couple years noe.
YES finally can post agaiiin! No eternal connection errooorssMAP: Are all locations addd to Doc?
Barbute (wip).Heavy cuirassier developed by lombards based on ancient designs, one of the heaviest of it's day but in recent battles it was outclassed by RT and AF "test regiments" (How do you call a unit of cuirasiers ?) equipped with the new Heaume and Enclosed designs.
>>62457504Probably typical names for units of men during the period as they're non noble infantry.
>>62457504>>62457504These come mainly in male (Autocannon) and female (two syncronized rapid fire machineguns) versions.Both have a back up MG and one or more quad pdws (Vilar perosa with twice the dakka and a more powerfull cartridge).
>>62456498Sorry it took so long guys, traffic is a fucking bitch since people forget how to drive in the rain. At least 2 crashes on my way home from the Zoo. Pretty much so far th locations are added.>>62457504>>62457946>>62458387Oooh nice work.
>>62458416Thanks for the compliments.A bit like ww1 tanks barbutes are used to break stalemates leading a assault on enemy positions.Some barbutes are equipped with more exotic weaponry (Flamethrowers, mortars, antimaterial rifles, shotcannons, emergency rockets, giant shields).For melee they might bring axe/hammer weapons (In constrast to lower cuirassiers equipped with sabres, spears, heavy bludgeons or engineering tools), or in case of the richer ones arc weapons (Disposable explosive lances are sometimes used against vehicles.).
>>62458548While the Lombards lag behind their RT counterparts in tech, they have a homefield advantage and te bonus of easy to use/repair gear?
>>62458586They can beat standard rt designs (RT cuirassiers are support for cavaliers while lombards ones have a more prominent role) one-to-one; they are weaker than Heaume and Enclosed because these are prototypes who deviate from the norm and are designed to stand against dragons.
>>62458666Hopefully only the Drakes? Because the image of hundreds climbing a larger Dragon makes for an awesome sight.
>>62458697Maybe a drake if the guy is lucky or a ace; but most of the time these can only fight alone against beasts.By stand i did not mean a single suit going toe toe with dragons; just that a company of them won't get absolutely curbstomped by dragons.
>>62458777And yeah, they would climb on dragons in large numbers.BTW checkd.
The Lombard War is really shaping up to be a shitshow huh? If it weren't for the fact everyone on the RT is so deep they'd want to get out but they need to save face. And the Lombards are getting tired despite their determination.
(Name Pending)Motto: Ever the best.The traditional bodyguards of Le Dauphin/The Prince of DuLac Dynamics. Due to the events that lead to the death of Le Dauphin Guillelme, the unit is effectively defunct with only Janotte the only living member. Their numbers are drawn upon from the subsidiaries and subordinate Houses of DuLac as a show of fealty and to gain good graces. Regardless the y were the first and foremost Elite Unit of DD short of their most senior frontline detachments. They have typically been used not only as an honor guard for the DuLac Dynasty but as a ceremonial unit during grand celebrations.
>>62459026Le Dauphin of DuLac has not only been the Heir of DD, but also one its formost champion. This means they and their Bodyguard take charge when a corporate duel takes place, especially the most important ones. The most recent and greatest was when Dauphin Guillelme was still alive. A deal over land between DD and PD degraded enough for a duel to be called between the PD Dragon Knights and Guillelme and his bodyguard. Through cunning, determination and quick wits the Dragon Knights were brought low, losing over half their number to incapacitation compared to the 10% od Guillelme's guard.
The Griffon Knights/ Il Cavalieri GrifoneBodyguard of the Crown Prince of the Lombard Empire. Similar to many such Cavalier units throughout Human space, they are brought in from the best Lombard has to offer. While there are the sons of Nobles who join the ranks of the Griffons, most of their number has historically been from the Condotierri since their founding. The reason the Griffons are typically dran from the mercenary companies is similar to the Varangian Guard of ByZant: to lessen the influence of scheming Nobles by using mercenaries that are less inclined to play the Great Game. As most of their number are mercenaries they bring a wide variety of lifestyles and viewpoints for the Crown Prince to ingest and learn from. Many such sellsword find them selves in the bodyguard of the same Prince once they have attained the Throne of Lombard.It is believed the practice of using mercenaries for this esteemed role was inspired by ByZant themselves. Despite their proximity to the RT, Lombard has taken considerable effort in keeping a good relation with the Despotic Empire to the East. As the old saying goes; "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
We should really et the unit sizes down. We know each Cavalier has a Cohort which is Infantry, Tanks, support vehicles etc all combined. But how much are they all together? A Cavalier and Knight is the singular smallest unit in the RT ranking system.
>>62439501Are there Avars in the setting ?I am asking because i might write a Lamellenhelm Cuirassier (probably a earlier predecessor to the Spangenhelm) and it was used by Lombards and Avars.
>>62459877Just read them up. Very interesting already, but maybe I should remove the Hungarian for the Avars? They're a descendant of the Huns, deal with BZant, have a pretty big territory and a bunch of other stuff. Only problem is theyd take up a good amount of the Balkans. But we could change that to it mostly being the Avars and are at war with ByZant and they drove the various groups that would form the Lombards and force them into Italia?
>>62460034The magyars entered the carpathian basin and estabilished hungary around 895 when Charlemagne had been dead for decades so i'd say the avars are more fitting to the timeframe.
>>62460251Well tha settles it I guess. I don't know why I felt the Hungarians would work back then. I'll write up the Avars in the morning.
>>62460292I might help you with that if i am free at the time.
>>62460433I did a bit in the docsAvars (Replacing the Hungarians)Descendents of the Huns, or at least a significant number that stayed together long enough. Have formed their own Empire north of the Balkans and ByZant, the Balkans have become a space filled with war, politics, espionage between the two powers with everyone stuck between them. Appearance wise for the Trueborn (Direct Hun descendants) there is something ‘off’ about them. They don’t look as human as everyone else, possibly the Hun’s appearance was exaggeration by survivors?Favor lot’s of Javelin Cavaliers but have taken up a mix of others since they settled down. Are much more capable of holding territory than the Huns. I'll do some backstory in the morning, good night
>>62449821>>62450917>>62451042>>62451096For ByZant: They say that they can build new Cores but actually they are just extremely good at repairing old RoME ones and have collected a huge stockpile of them?Lombards: They can have some cores, and bought from Zant / SwissTo make their gear more unique: In the very first threads it was mentioned that some Cavs work with batteries. This gives them only half a dozen battle hours but usually this is enough.So Lombards are rushing out cheaper and low-powered Cavs. (Although I do kinda like that they actually have better system than RT...)We can say as well that this also reinforces their Saxon link, for it just feels right for saxon invasion mecha hordes to be as cheap as possible (pictured: various Seax designs)Saracens: Usually probs Fusion cores, but some recent designs have been using a mysterious sidhe-like power core utilising Sidhe Leaves? To futher their mysteryAegypt.. Uses usual cores but the population probably believs that Charioteers are powered by the souls of the dead or smth..>>62452158Ill do some map shortly.Cool new Cuirassiers fellow SoA-writers.
>>62463224>So Lombards are rushing out cheaper and low-powered Cavs.Not sure how i feel about that, the doc says lombards have more standard forces with cavaliers being reserved to elite units.
>>62458830I'm sure the Saracens will find some way to turn this situation to their advantage.
Hereee new one. Probs missed quite a lot.-Decided not to begin mentioning all Cuirassiers, too many.-Started to put new experimental stuff htere as well.We really ss hould put the link to the doc up on 1d4chan.
Here we go. Did not want to do too direct Europe -> Space conversion. And we already have a nice mix of Mythical and Historical locations here.Oh blues are major Starways.Missed some stuff surely. What you do like of it?
>>62463866How about making a horizontal timeline? Or making several?Good Idea on the docs to 1d4chan. How do we do that? I only recently learned how to add stuff to suptg>>62464528Holy shit! Sweet!
>>62465131Thanks.Honestly I dont have infinite amount of time so that vertical will do.>>62454121>Why do I keep having the urge to write? It is the fury of cooperative creation. I at least feel the same. Exhausting at times but so darn awesome. I will always remember you, Queen Myrea and the Laughing God
>>62464528Is the red lines border conflicts? Maybe Tours could be moved to the left so The story could be rewritten as it stopping the Dragon advance on Avalon? Then that would make for the MAC getting on the RT as a gift for the bravery and sacrifices?
>>62464528The Avars could replace the Balkans entirely here and when they collapse it'll leave the Balkans free and how we know them as now. Maybe Pisa could be the second connection from Marseille? It would make the stakes very much real given how close it would be to Lombard Prime.
>>62466034And here is Apollonia connected to Brundisium as well as the Appia Way from LP to Brundisium. The amount of Dark Space between Hispania and the RT makes sense for how shattered it was.
>>62464528What program did you use to make the map?
>>62460549The Avars areactually approachable compared to the stories of the Huns and a better picture is formed of their predecessors, though whether this is the truth or simply propaganda by the Avars is unknown. There is a decent sized but strong belief the truth is somewhat in the middle. As the Huns split apart into various tribes and warbands once more, it is believed the peoples that some Hun groups took as slaves/bondsmen were a great influence on them and managed to convince the Huns to settle down north of the Balkans to band with other small Huns groups to drive off the depredations of their relatives. As such, the mixture of the upper classes and lower classes of the Avar Empire are incredibly varied, though there is a tendency in the Uppers for their t be a strong prevalence of the Hun 'Wrongness'. Aesthetically wise the Avars are quite all over the place with a slant towards Dieselpunk given their warlike natures. It is believed do to their position and the timeline that they are what caused the Saxon Invasion and the Lombards to retreat southward.
>>62466078I think alpa centauri should be a separete region outside of avalon with a black space between them (Lore in the doc portrays the franks as pretty distant and the bit about seaways in this thread mentions a avalon channel). Instead of nuraghes there should be sardinia (I intended nuraghes to be just a feature of sardinia not a separate region)Also is avalonian supposed to be just the solar system or other nearby regions ?BTW i like how italy is a hand.
>>62467665*Also is avalonian space supposed to be just the solar system or does it include other nearby regions ?
Lamelenhelm.A predecessor of the Spangenhelm.Basically a void exosuit with extra armor plating in it; it has no integrated weaponry although the strenght boost allows wearers to bear heavier weapons than usual.Main cuirassier of the avars; the lombards strangely enough have large amounts of these too.
>>62467956Keep in mind this is more of a catch all term and they can heavily differ in appearance; lombard ones are very different from the avar ones with a bit of a diving suit feel.
>>62467679I'd say Avalonian Space is the British Isles and Ireland honestly.>>62467665The dark space between the AS and the rest of the arm should be their since the connection between AC and Avalon system is supposedly dangerous.
>>62466785On avar aesthetics; what about something like firefly but with steppe nomads instead of cowboys.Also should Hun ships/mechs/gear have the same "wrongness" the Huns themseslves have ?
So,wait is this up on 1d4chan yet?
>>62468792That sounds good. Avar aesthetics are very much all over the place as they prefer you to submit rather than care about homogeneity. As long as you pay taxes and what not you can dress and build however you want
A bit off topic, but I haven't heard how exactly most of the Round Table nobility actually stays as nobility, so this is my thoughts towards it. A Share. Officially, there is a simple divide between the commoners and the Nobility on Round Table planets - that members of the nobility own one or more shares of their particular corporation. While the terminology has remained consistent, these should not be equated to the simple stock purchases of pre- and early RoME. While each Round Table corporation offers different privileges and are granted on different bases, there are a few similarities. Generally speaking, each corporate Share in and of itself is worth several fortunes, and grants its holder all the privileges of the nobility. They can be inherited, though a single Share cannot be broken up. In the case of single Share owners, the owner will place a recommendation with the corporate Board, who will then select the receiver among the legally viable candidates of the Share with a preponderance granted to the previous owner's preference. Multiple shares can be divvied up between multiple individuals, though the owner should offer a more thorough report as to the exact division. While these factors may change depending on the corporation (DuLac, for instance, will always grant the entirety of the inherited Shares to the eldest son), these are the more consistent similarities.
>>62468963Awesome work anon.
>>62468963So there are agencies within the Corps. that are involved with choosing a suitable successor among the Share Holder's chosen?
>>62463224>For ByZant: They say that they can build new Cores but actually they are just extremely good at repairing old RoME ones and have collected a huge stockpile of them?I'd lean towards a bit of both. Fusion Cores are incredibly costly to make, both in man hours and in resources. While ByZant does have the resources to produce new cores (Zant itself has one of the finest Foundries in all of human space, after all), it prefers to use the large stockpile leftover from the Sixth Legion to power their cores. Though it should be noted that in its entirety, the total amount cores and Cavalries the ByZant possesses are probably a little less than PenDragon, and nowhere near the number of the entirety of the Round Table. >>62469001I imagine each corporate board would elect a committee from among its members to overlook the official inheritance. Both to officiate the process and to make sure the inheritance doesn't get too messy. And of course, the Share has to be given to a legal recipient or else everything goes to the trash. That's just a general outline, though. I could totally see one or two corporation just handing the legal recipients a bunch of sparring cavaliers and just given the winner of the melee the Share.
>>62469133Those points are very fitting for the setting. Maybe we should start up ranks and unit sizes?
>>62469001I wonder if its not something that the Green monks and Merlin help,arbitrate?
>>62469194Likely in areas they have considerable pull in. Also so they act as a neutral party between them and so damage is kept to a minumum
>>62469194>I wonder if its not something that the Green monks and Merlin help,arbitrate?I'd imagine that depends on the particular corporation. Like, I could see Merlin throwing his 2cents in when PenDragon has a shareholder inheriting, and depending how close particular corporations are to the Green Monks I imagine they would want their input. But the biggest thing is that it relies on the particular Corp to decide how much it factors those things in.
>>62469170I don't remember any hard numbers being laid out for any of the powers in SoA. It might be worth forming those up a bit.
>>62469283Well Knight+Cohort is the minimum for the most basic Corp. from the docs. So there'd be multiple Corps. in a continent who have just one Knight and their Cohort protecting their little factory.
Also have some Franco Nerohttps://youtu.be/TdrEmZ35fxcApparently the smallest unit in a medieval army was a Lance which was just Knight+Retinue, so it'd be equivalent to Knight+Cohort and all that implies. But largely the medieval armies followed a similar system to Rome.
>>62469400Copypasting from some pagesThe largest “unit” of a large army seems to have been called a “guard”, and each army has at least three: the Vanguard, Middle Guard, and Rearguard; or simply van, middle, and rear. The van always went first and in battle held the right flank—the position of honor, since the men on the farthest end had no shield to protect them.These divisions would be divided into several units called “battles” related to the modern word battalion. Each of the three guards would have several battles, each led by a nobleman, important royal officer, champion, and so on. The number of battles varied wildly.Next was a conroi, a band of knights who train together for maneuvers and battle. The conroi usually had ten knights, plus their squires. Even the horse transport ships were made to hold ten knights and their horses. It is believed that this number comes from the Byzantine organization.
>>62469133I imagine fighting for your shares is a grand tradition in house Agravane.
>>62470767Had to go get some last minute stuff for dinner.Yeah, there's no party like an Agravane Inheritance Party
>>62470767Once, a prominent Agravane knight died. He was wealthy in fortune and shares, and had many children. From them all, however, only a single one inherited the entirety of his fortune. Neither the strongest nor the smartest of the brood, many still wonder today why he received so much. The Agravane corporate board elected him to be on the committee.
>>62470917I wonder why...
>>62470767>>62470798>>62470917I just imagine it being a huge tourney when the CEO dies. All the eligible Agravane family members get into either their own or a loaned Cavalier and just go at each other. At one time their would be over 100 on the tourney field until only one remained.
>>62471324Now that I think of it, the rest of the RT likely are not as interesting with inheritance as Agravane.
So on the franks being dieselpunk, i wonder how we could integrate that with the whole genetch thing.The concepts seem a bit at odds.
>>62472035Their use of genemodding isn't perfect, so they have to use bulkier machines that are integrated into their skin to stabilize the mods. It ends up looking like bulkier cybernetics.
>>62472111Would be too similar to cybernetics; i guess we should just leave the genemode thing as it is.Now on architecture i think their style should be based on nazi and american federal architecture; fitting the dieselpunk style and the frank's romanesque buildings.
>>62472269That works, very larger than life.
How powerful should the average Cavalier be? I know X-Caliber was in a league of it's own since it could simply do things no modern Cavalier can possibly do.
>>62472326What I mean by this is how do they stack up against say Battlemechs, MS or MH?
>>62472383Probably most like late UC mobile suits it say.
>>62472432Which Late UC? There is Victory, Gaia Gear, ((G-Saviour)) and G-Reco.
Was making dinnerOut of all the places we've described so far which would you and your party go to and operate from the most?
>>62472607Thats a good point I was thinking I guess mid or naybe even more like gundam,X?
>>62473524How about CCA-Hathaway's Flash?
>>62423910pasta and groundbeef
>>62473706Works for me CCA was pretty balls out.
>>62473872CCA always seemed to me a pretty good benchmark for mecha action.
>>62473706I just remembered that the Xi is 28m tall... the tallest Cavalier currently is just under half as tall as it.
>>62473356I really dig ByZant, but I'm a Byzaboo and the Byzantine Empire in space with golden/black giant robots that launch nukes from giant cannons is more or less the hypest shit for me.
>>62474102But the Byzantine politics and backstabbings though...
>>62473356Personally I'd love to explore the lombard Empire. It just seems so amazing with it being so full of wonder and reconstruction. I love the Belle Epoque also.
>>62474121>But the Byzantine politics and backstabbings though...It's going to be an irreparable part of life, and honestly adventuring in the ByZant has a huge number of drawbacks. I'm just as likely to get stabbed in the back by another competitor as I am getting wrecked in battle by a Dragon or some Knight from the Round Table/Saracens/Lombards/who else are they fighting again?Not to mention the ByZants tend to be pretty stratified in social status. A mercenary or outsider won't get very far in ByZant society because, outside of playing the political game, the only way to really rise in social status is to work through the military. And your average Theme is even less open than your average Round Table corporation. So your best bet is working with a wealthy patron and praying that you don't outlive your usefulness or heading out to Armenia and trying to reclaim some old lands from whichever enemy decided to invade that day. But, if my party could make it somewhere and even get so far to actually buy a Share of one of the Mercenary Themes to become a bonfide Patrician, then it'd be an even better reward than simply becoming a noble in Round Table. For all the changes and wars going on in ByZant, the Patricians still carry many old privileges from RoME, and can still do a whole hell of a lot more than your average Noble in the RT can.It's a hell of a bigger risk, but breaking through those long odds would be a hell of a story.
>>62474324Thanks for the story anon, too bad the Saracens will out maneuver you and shank you when you least expect it.
>>62474387>too bad the Saracens will out maneuver you and shank you when you least expect it.Ha, they tried! But they ran into the assassin party that was sent by the noble who originally hired us to hold the post in the first place. Our employer wanted to murder us that in the evening and to use our death to push for war against the Saracens. They ended up fighting each other and we cleaned up the damaged survivors. Got us a nice recommendation and a new position from the seemingly much nicer Patrician who runs that particular planet. We eagerly await his inevitable betrayal.
>>62474324That legit sounds like a badass campaign.
>>62474455Ah ByZant. Never a dull day. I'll just enjoy tearing RT Knights a new one in my brand new Spadone .
Mapper here >>62464528>>62465762>>62466034Yes to both.>>62468285Avalonian Space is mostly everything of British isles, Frankia and mythical locations. Based on docs.>>62466191GIMP, as usual.Gonna make new version in the morning. Personally I like that Frankia is part of "RT Space", given that MAC is on the RT currently. Not all Alpha-Franks are MAC either (only Pepins successor will unify them?)>Will move Tours.>Balkan or Avars, maybe both beccause extra mayehem is always fun. >Our Hinterlands and Saxon lands could use some detailings>>62468963Like the Share. It is something tangible for PCs and loremasterrs alike. Different successions had already been discussed, were remembered here? I think DuLac previously had designated heir system with the will of CEO being vital but it could have been overruled by the Board...>SKW ineritance is probably either the most clean or the dirtiest. Probs we should write down others inheritance stufs as well.>>62472326Depends on the era. They begin as slightly-better-than Cuirassiers but now vastly overpower all else on the battlefield bar the strongest dragons or mightiest Castles.>>62474324Gotta love old Zant.BTW cannot phonepost. FUUCK.
>>62474685Thanks for replying Mapper.
>>62474324>>62474455>>62474489>>62474492Excellent campaign idea. What about a companion piece for that: How would a similiar game differ in RT space?
>>62474822Less constant fear from the inevitable betrayal by your Patrician Johnson. But fairly similar.
>>62474822>How would a similiar game differ in RT space?I imagine the inherent difference between a Round Table and a ByZant adventure is that it is much easier to gain in through the Round Table corporations, but also a lot harder to keep that power. In the wake of the Dragon War, there's basically a vacuum of employment in most corporations just waiting to be filled by some young adventurers. Of course, the work to be done would be quite different depending on the corporation. The Alpha Franks or AgravaneArthur help you if you work for them would probably have you fighting on the frontlines in Italia against the Lombardians where a company like PenDragon would have you working with Merlin to solve some Sidhe bullshit, hunting down some Morgan Cultists, or presiding over some royal tournaments. Ultimately it wouldn't take too much more than a good show of competence and talent to get yourself a share in a RT corporation to get yourself a noble title. But, unlike ByZant, getting a noble title is where the fun really begins.
>>62474324>>62474917You can't 'become' a Patrician. You have to be born one. You could get some Genemods/retro viral enhancements but becoming a bonafide Patrician is a pipe dream.
>>62474917In ByZant, there's really only a few major organizations of power. These are the Mercenary Themes, the various departments of the ByZant state, and (if you happen to be a barbarian) the Varangian Guard. Each of these organizations are connected directly to the ByZant state and government. There can be competition between Themes or the Varangian, but at the end of the day each of these organizations is beholden to the Emperor, who can just as easily say "stop that shit". And if you don't suddenly want to lose every bit of political soft power you had, you stop. The wonderful thing about the Round Table is that you don't have that. At all. At the end of the day, PenDragon is at the head of the table because they have the biggest stick, not out of any larger authority. Sure, you have MERLIN who would probably keep some tabs on politics, but he has the Sidhe, the Dragons, and the remnants of Mordred to deal with so it isn't like your really going to get anything more than a slap on the wrist for playing politics. So instead of a single structure of authority with a few branches you have a dozen interlocking organizations all competing with each other and jockeying for power. Once you get to the top of the ByZant power structure, you basically become untouchable by anyone but the emperor himself. But you don't have that protection in the RT. So not only do you have to deal with the enemy in front of your face, you also have to deal with your fellow Corps trying to get at you as well. Thankfully the RT aren't exactly the biggest fans of backstabbing (what with Chivalry being the play of the day), so they'll try to dishonor you in honorable ways instead. Challenging you to jousts, quests over holy artifacts, that sort of thing. >>62475007Can we loosen that up a bit? Like, say, getting granted the title by the Emperor or buying a Share from a Theme? It wouldn't seem too impossible to achieve through a great deal of effort.
>>62475146>Can we loosen that up a bit? Like, say, getting granted the title by the Emperor or buying a Share from a Theme? It wouldn't seem too impossible to achieve through a great deal of effort.It'd just be the whole you can't parade yourself as a noble thing that happened in the middle ages. Because the Nobles don't like it whaen their authority/titles are being trampled upon by the low born. I'll agree with you on the titles, but the Patricians that remain in ByZant keep their power through connections, businesses and their genes/birthrights. That includes the Emperor and Royal family.The Theme Share I like
>>62475146Wait. Would this encourage the party to conspire against eachother when playing a ByZant campaign? It'll become a rehash of Dark Heresy.
>>62475146>but he has the Sidhe.Sidhe are threat ?I thought they were a vague alien race who disappeared.
>>62475310They are. But there are their byproducts that still roam around. FAE, ELFs, etc.
>>62475219>It'd just be the whole you can't parade yourself as a noble thing that happened in the middle agesThat's a really good point, though with the most recent ByZantine civil war and the unstable political situation I think there's enough wiggle room for a party to pull themselves up into Patricianship if they had the drive for it. >>62475238>Would this encourage the party to conspire against each other when playing a ByZant campaign?I'd leave that to DM discretion. I can see a ByZant campaign getting super backstabby, but I don't think player betrayals would be any more a part of it than it would for an RT game. Betraying everyone else though? Fair game. >>62475310That's mostly just researching and containing dangerous stuff left behind by the Sidhe, not so much that they're an active threat.
>>62475364>That's a really good point, though with the most recent ByZantine civil war and the unstable political situation I think there's enough wiggle room for a party to pull themselves up into Patricianship if they had the drive for it.If you say so. But the parties will be given hell by Patricians if they don't 'show the proper respect and virtues of their new station'
>>62475146>Can we loosen that up a bit? Like, say, getting granted the title by the Emperor or buying a Share from a Theme? It wouldn't seem too impossible to achieve through a great deal of effort.Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a Patrician the product of some pretty serious genecraft and lost tech/knowledge. No one declaring you a Patrician would really make you such if that bit of lore is still true. You'd have to be turned into one and I doubt it's at all possible now.
>>62475492That's what I was saying. Are the ByZant Emperors even Patricians still? That would give credence to more Patricians being made, if slowly. Or would the current dynasty be made up of enhanced Aquilae?
>>62475492>>62475543>but isn't a Patrician the product of some pretty serious genecraft and lost tech/knowledge."Though the exact sciences needed to create them have been lost." (pg.14)Nope, looks like you have that exactly right. Huh, looks like I fucked up. Sorry about that guys.
>>62475543I doubt Patricians would suffer being ruled by objectively inferior beings. Patricians would be at the tippy-toppest of the pyramid, Aquilae under them and the genetrash far below that.
>>62475616True. Imagine their surprise when the NorMans show up :)>WHAT! You mean that Barbarian Geneticist centuries ago made these monsters!!?
So Patricians are still being made but it's a slower process now? Or are the Nobility/Royalty of ByZant largely Aquilae, though very much improved nowadays? Would their still be Patricians running around ByZant or are they just fading away due to lack of proper medical aid for their unnatural abilities?
>>62475943They might have the tech to make sure that the children born of two Patricians receive the ludicrous amounts of care and screening they likely need to grow correctly and receive the full benefits of their Patrician parents. Maybe it isn't always successful and very much expensive(even for Patricians), so some grudgingly settle for Aquilae to fill in the bottom ranks while making long term plans for a true Patrician heir.Making Patricians from scratch though is beyond anyone at this point, it seems.
What sort of roles should Cavaliers have? -Line: Meant to act as part of the Main Guard and to be the Anvil for enemies to smash against. Tend t obe quite armored and durable.-Assault: Typically part of the Van Guard and are the first to attack/reach the opponent. Firepower and speed are the choice of these Knights, believing in cutting down foes swiftly rather than getting caught in a quagmire of melee.-Pursuit: Meant to hunt down stragglers, hidden enemies and eliminate those broken and route the remaining. Typically fast, agile and have excellent sensors for this role.-Duelist: Anti-Cavalier specialists, they suffer by being too focused and lacking in anti-infantry/fortification power that generalist Cavaliers take for granted. The Duelist tends to be melee oriented.What else?
>>62476154-Artillery: Spears universally for their firepower and range. Pikes also found in AAA role.-Cavalry: A subset of the Assault role, are a more generalist version meant to act as an all rounder for the Assault and tie up enemy line/counter enemy Assault. -Skirmish: Javelins are the most common.
>>62474319The futurism part also interests me; it's a pretty obscure movement and it would be interesting to see how a futurist culture would look like.
>>62476727https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FuturismIf you want to check out more on futurism. It's interesting on how Futurism was pretty pro-war but ran into WWI and pretty much collapsed in the face of industrial warfare.
>>62476878Their romanticized imagining of industrial warfare is interesting, helps translating the lombard's barbarian honor and glory values into a high-tech setting (Zang Tumb Tumb sounds like a modernization of those battle hymns about the beauty of clashing swords and blooshed)
>>62476878Well I'm off to bed. But it's interesting reading up on Futurism. Honestly I think the Futurist part of Lombard should be a fringe movement as a counter culture to Lombard's reconstruction going on since they conquered the League of Italia. I see Lombard as mostly fighting the occasional border skirmish, rebellion, Dragon raid and the like rather than any big war>>62477278I was just typing about that
>>62477287I see futurism as more mainstream in lombar society.The lombards might be rebuilding italia; but they are barbarians at heart looking at their raiding days with a certain nostalgia and can't wait to try on their new toys in a real war (Sinibald III being a particularly extreme example of this with a raging war boner).The war with the AF was at first received with enthusiasm by the lombard nobles...
>>62463866The janotte crusade is not not now; it will happen in the future.
>>62477570*The janotte crusade is not now
>>62463866>Zweinhander as a regional variant.Any ideas on what culture has them ?My writeup for the zweihander was deleted (I have an archive of the original post so no problem); and since i will have to paste it again might as well elaborate on the users instead of making it a context-free footnote like before.BTW my archived write up for those interested https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/61988529/#61994958
Added the ByZanth and RT roleplaying parts to doc. Great stuff!>>62477850Ah. So it is basically the predecessor to Polearms. Add it to the doc under the Polearms so we know that we can develop it from here.>>62477570It is being assembled now so it is already an event what PCs could participate in
Why is the Zweihander a part of the Polearm lineage?
Does anyone have the rules for creating Exo-Armors in Jovian Chronicles? I can't seem to find them. I just want to make a basic Arming Sword as an example.
>>62482206Basic Arming Sword General Purpose Mass Production Middle Weight Cavalier Height: 10 m Weight: 52.4 tons Control System: Armor Factor: Weapon Systems 1 x Assault Rifle w/Vibro Bayonet 1 x Solid Shield 1 x HF Axe/Broad Sword 2 x Six Cell Light Missile Pods Several Anti Infantry Canisters located around body Smoke/Flare Launchers Special Equipment Survival Pod Basic ECM/ECCM I just took this from the Wyvern and doctored it up. How's it look? There doesn't appear to be any sort of EA Builder from what I can find.
>>62464528>>62474685Here new one. Need more frontier worlds, now just focused on lombard Zant stuff for a while.>>62482946Doc puts Arming sword as 8m. Otherwise it seems rather heavily armored. Compare it to Sir Hamself story.Probs that could work as a heavy / battlefield variant. Where does it carry all that weaponry?I have seen them in my mind just with 2-3 weapons usually.Fresh-out of a factory one would probably have just one or two weapons and some defensive systems.
>>624830268m? I always imagined them to be larger given that Longswords are in the 12m mark with the Claymore and such being oversized. Missiles are on the back, AI Pods typically on the legs and rear, smoke/flare across the body with most on the torso, shield on left arm (it can carry equipment if needed), Axe/Sword on left hip, AR is on the back skirt
>>62482946There is its just weirdly in the game masters guide. My buddy also made an excell sheet for making weaponry.
>>62483224May I see it?
>>62480624The zweihnader is not a polearm but a sword.>>62481612>Why is the Zweihander a part of the Polearm lineage?On the older threads i recall polearms being some sort of hybrid cavalier mixing sword and axe qualities with spears and i figure the zweihander being the start of this age; also the zweihander is used like a polearm in a sense (There are woodcuts ot it poking at the enemy like a spear)
>>62483468BTW i will add the zweihander as soon as i figure out how the people who uses it are like (Mabe just add a note saying it is from the hinterstars and make up spehss germans later; pre holy-roman germany seems to be just barbarians tribes whitout having formed any kingdoms like the barbarian invaders in france, spain or italy).
>>62483468>>62483542Mkes sense. I forgot that about the Zweihander
>>62436801Type is already used as the broader definition of what a cavaliers is (IE: the lance class is a spear type and the longsword class is a sword type).
Sorry it took so long guys. Stuff happened that's too long to explain.Anyone have ideas for frontier/border systems?
>>62487199Wasn't Kiev a pretty major trading hub/settlement even in the early medieval period? I don't know much about proto-Russian history, but maybe some places like Muscovy or a travel route like the Dnieper river could be included.
>>62487199I'm not sure of Proto Russian history either, Maybe someone else would know?They could be interesting far out of the way destinations for players to go to if the rest of Human space isn't cutting it for them. The people there wouldn't be the most caring though.
>>62487892Actually they'd be the Not!Viking there wouldn't they? I guess we can forget about the Rus for a while.
>>62488059Vikings in SOA are giant blue guyver things who are yet to appear.
>>62488167That's what I mant.
>>62488059Maybe its something of a Frontier far at the edge of the edge of the Galaxy. The Rus being some of the last swttlers sent from the old world. I remember a really great line about Russian History, it is a cycle of Great Triumph interspersed between Great Despair.
>>62487199>>62487892>>62488393Saxon, German, ancient Gallic towns? More mythical locations? I would prefer these who are actually closer to Avalonia compared to rus or something, who are post-viking anyway.
>>62488393That could work. CornwallA section/Region of Avalonian space known as the origin of Tritanite Shipbuilders. The population is primarily made up of Celts with interspersed groups of Avalonians and Gael. Cornwall is rich in mineral resources that have been a backbone of TS's shipwright industry allowing them to churn out ships like no other. This mineral wealth has been the target as well for a number of opponents over the centuries since TS was founded, KAY being the most notable of them all. TS has opened and maintained relations with Borrs Mining, Morien Minerals and a number of other such Corps to mine some of the minerals so as to ward off the depredations of other powers. however such mining is only available to a small section of Cornwall's resources, keeping the majority for themselves.
>>62488494That could lead to some fun times.
>>62488494Cornwall is heavily linked to TS since practically it's inception to the point many call it the Duchy of Tristan, such is the intertwining of the two. In fact it is where Lyonesse, the FLagship Station of TS, is commonly moored their and where TS's important headquarters outside of Mars are located. Cornwall is made up of 3 populated systems with at least two more uninhabitable but used for mining and military operations. These systems are: Truro its capital, Bude, and Penzance.>>62489217It has and will
>>62489269Penzance once had a notable reputation as a hub and haven of pirates during the Dark Age until TS gained it's footing and expelled them from Cornwall. Since then Penzance has had numerous mascots and folklore about their pirate origins mostly in good humor. Truro is the current capital and once HQ of TS and still carries many arcitechtural sites and building relating to this origin. It also is home to the majority of TS shipyards and a significant percentage of it's manufacturing output.Bude is the most northern settlement and closest to the Avalon System by distance. It is also the most sparsely populated despite its age. It mostly is a resort system with Bude Prime being an ocean planet. Bude is renowned for being peaceful and full of good, smart working simple folk.
>>62487799>>62487892>>62488393Space Olga time?
>>62489476Adding a couple more systems, because three is too little.TorpointA small, out of the way Cylinder Colony Cluster in one of the uninhabited systems. It is a common stop and home to TS Navy training ships and their crews on voyages. NewquayOne of Cornwall's important Spaceport and aerospace design systems. It is also a popular tourism destination for the people of Cornwall.
Campaigns in Lombard:Depends on the era really. You could play a game during the DC while either part of the Condotierri or the Lombards. Reconstruction period helping out and fending off outsiders while everyone rebuilds and improves their lives. Or taking part in the Lombard War on either side.
I know we were talking about aesthetics a little earlier on, but did we ever agree on the themes for each of the Round Table corporations? They seem distinct enough that I think they can each carry their own look. Related to that, I propose Brutalism for Agravane.
>>62491458Agravane BrutalismDuLac Art DecoLanval has a futurisyic nature themPenDragon is Neo Space Feadalism/Victorian EnglandThat's from the top of my head
>>62491522It seems kind of obvious, but what about giving the Green Monks solarpunk? I mean, you’d think a bunch of terraforming monks would like green space.
>>62491621I really like that idea. But it also works with Lanval but they're more a deep dark forest sort of theme.PP has a medical/hospital aesthetic. Gawain is a Rococo theme.
>>62491522What about swapping the victorian thing in pendragon for romano-british ?
>>62491750Palamedes has lot of robes and a eastern feel according to a previous thread.
>>62491914This mixed with feudalism.Basically what if there were no saxons or normans and the romano-british lasted until the middle ages.
>>62491915I keep forgetting that.>>62491929It's always interesting to imagine such a different history.
>>62491915I hate to say it, but I can never remember that Palamedes exists. They get brought up pretty infrequently.
>>62491990True. What can we do to make them more interesting? They seem more a backroom deal corp. than getting their hands dirty on the field of battle despite the whole duel against Tristan would imply.
>>62491948>It's always interesting to imagine such a different history.While the ealier versions were possibly based on real warlords; the medieval version of arthur is pretty much "what if there was a briton charlemagne ?" (The round table resembles the paladins).
>>62491522Yvain has a military feel with camo.Tristanites have a naval style.I guess isolde would have a kinda arcadian feel and look more irish than other gaels (No kilts).Anons in a previous thread mentioned KAY being one of the most scifi looking and having a standardize container style.
>>62492012Well, going over their pages in the doc, they seem to be marked by their closeness to the Green Monks, their extensive use of Cybernetics/Bionics, and apparently a pretty hefty So, Palamedes might be the Green Monks go-to allies on the Round Table (actually, do the Green Monks have any sway over the table by themselves, or are they just subsidiary to MERLIN?). I could see Palamedes Knights guarding Green Monk caravans and helping with their religious activities.
>>62492217Did not other thread say palamedes was dealing with shady genetical/cyber stuff ?
>>62492257They were. They don't exactly like the limits/restrictions placed on such research>>62492217That could very well work for Palamedes.
>>62492257It did, but I'm still trying to figure out how to incorporate that into Round Table politics. Like, outside of Tristain, who are their natural allies and enemies on the RT? Who are their targets? Do they have any dealings with the NorMans, who apparently have a similar interest in genetics? If so, are they on friendly terms or do they view them as rivals?
>>62492349NorMans are later in the timeline. Maybe we should make some subsidiaries for Palamedes?
>>62492399Berwulf Chemicals Subsidiary of Palamedes Pharmetheutical. Specializes in chemical engineering. Are a rather large subsidiary and have considerable say in the internal politics of PP despite their fealty. Their main goals are development of new chemical reactions and streamlining them for marketing. Few Knights and Cavaliers but considerable support/conventional forces. Current CEO is Heregod Killer, the Husband to the heiress of OC in regency due to his wife's young age and the death of her father.
>>62492831Is not the name palamedes paramedical ?
>>62492831Ó Forannáin Security ServiceGael based subsidiary of PP. A recent acquisition, though willing. OFSS is quite close to Isolde Holdings and joined PP alongside IH due to said connections. Were once a rising star among Gael Companies until their joining PP. Many saw it as spitting upon their honor to join dogs like PP. OFSS serves as athe premier security provider for Palamedes to this day and are the first choice when Palamedes requires a champion to fight a corporate duel for one reason or another. Current CEO is Rohan Ó Forannáin III, a man devoted to his company and Liege.>>62492887Why do I keep forgetting things!?
>>62492831I am not sure if beowulf should be related to palamedes; it seems more like a saxon mercenary company.What about some saracen corps as palamedes subsidiaries ?
>>62493405What sort of name would you suggest?
>>62493460Al hazarad perhaps?
>>62493557Al Hazarad ChemicalI like it.
>>62493638Al Hazarad ChemicalSubsidiary of Palamedes Paramedical. Specializes in chemical engineering. Are a rather large subsidiary and have considerable say in the internal politics of PP despite their fealty. Their main goals are development of new chemical reactions and streamlining them for marketing. Few Knights and Cavaliers but considerable support/conventional forces. Current CEO is Abbas Al Hazarad, the Husband to the heiress of AHC in regency due to his wife's young age and the death of her father. Changed the names
Going to save the thread guys. I'm going to be busy for like a week or two so... so long. I promise I'll start a new thread as soon as this stuff is over with.
I posted it as #12 god damn it all. At least it isn't Swoards of Avalon... Next thread if possible will be the actual #12.
>>62491522Sagramore has dark colors, heraldry/logo is a black star with an open eye gazing at the viewer, the eye is designed so it is looking at the viewer from where ever they are standing relative to the eye. Also is not sagramore hungarian in the lancelot grail cycle ?
>>62493848>Heiress is old enough to be married but not to run a company.She must have been married off pretty young; is that a saracen costume or do most RT houses do it ?
>>62496843I 8magine there was extenuating circumstances in her case?
>>62441395Nasal helm and spangenhelm are technically different things (Main differences are shape and that the Spangenhelm is jointed while the Nasal helm is made of a single piece of steel).
Been reading on lombard justice pretty interesting.The lombards followed their law while the natives followed roman law.Lombards had wergild (Hefty fines as a punishment for murder seems pretty fitting for their corporate nobility stuff) and trial by combat.
>>62472283I imagine the palatine chapel/Aachen cathredral (Once Charlemage becomes king and builds it that is.) being some Volkshalle tier thing.