For all this talk about having your fighters be so swole they're basically magic, there's a disturbing lack of xianxia here. Why don't you appreciate Chinese Fantasy anon?
>>62291323Fuck off, week.
Because that shit escalates faster than Shounen Power Creep, which is already godawful. On top of that it lacks the familiarity of japanaboo drawing on western myths, and is entrenched so heavily in its own mythos as to cause some Culture shock. Pun intended.Manwhas get are only slightly unsettling because Koreaboo is discount Japanaboo no matter how much they hate it, but Chinaboo is stubbornly its own thing and will take a generation or two to expand its market. Also Chinese censorship is a stranglehold on fantasy.
>>62291323Xianxia is basically Dragonball Z powered by drugs and kung-fu. It doesn't really work to well in stuff not made for that kind of fantasy.Now that said Exalted has a bit of cultivation stuff in it as part of it's aesthetic.
>>62291323But I hate china and it's people
>>62291569That's a very thorough, comprehensive BTFO.
>>62291569Wouldn't Japanese Westaboo productions be a better term for stuff like Legend of Zelda and such?
>>62291720Legend of Zelda and MGS stick out the most to me as Japan going "Make it Hollywood".
>>62291569While I do agree that it's power creep is through the roof, the chinese mythos isn't an inherent drawback. It's a well of ideas that someone could draw from.
>>62291720>>62292040It would be a thing if Japan was intentionally aping western styles, regardless of the actual content.
>>62292812Isn't that even the crux of My Hero Academia: aping western-style superheroes?
>>62291323>Why don't you appreciate Chinese Fantasy anon?I do and regularly read xianxia works>For all this talk about having your fighters be so swole they're basically magicAnd most of that talk here is against such a thing, which is a fucking shame since it would dramatically improve the one game D&D whose fans are the quickest to reject itXianxia is great and all but in terms of roleplaying unless you are specifically going for super high powered and possibly cosmic shenanigans which I personally love Wuxia would fit better into a more "traditional" fantasy game.And I'm talking across the board wuxia not just a halfassed attempt with a "monk" class
You know what we need? Useful primers for people who want to run games in cultures they dont know of, its why i cant, but want to run an ancient rome, china, and jap campaigns.Also, greetings fellow thunderfag.
swords are just tools, and some fool is always making a new one...
>>62291323I absolutely love it actually but i'm not sure any system i've seen is actually good for emulating it, particularly the rigid(-ish) demarcation between cultivation realms. The closest is probably Wandering Heroes of Ogre Gate (made by the translator of I Shall Seal The Heavens) but it's more high-powered Wuxia than actual Xianxia with cultivators.Kind of funny how Xianxia directly ties treasure to "leveling up" like old school D&D does though.
>Thunderbolt Fantasymah niggas of patrician taste.
>>62297719Episode 1 of season 2 is out motherfucker. Go watch dat shit.
I've thought about doing a custom magic set like this, when I was trying to decide what would best fit a set with an enemy color theme, but I just feel like nobody would get it. They'd get it was chinese I guess but I just don't think there's enough tropes and cool things people would recognize. I think Wizards already kind of did the parts of it everybody would glom onto already. I would assume that also contributes to people not being super big on chinese fantasy settings in general.
>>62297806already did my nigga, shits cash
>>62291323This show freaks me the fuck out with its marionettes.Really cool concept but I could never get through it.
>>62291569>Because that shit escalates faster than Shounen Power Creep, which is already godawful.Sounds like it'd fit right in with D&D "go from level 1 to 10 in an ingame month".
>>62298037Try "go from weak-willed slave to planetbuster in a couple weeks" instead.
>>62298004I just checked out a little bit. It's unique. It's an interesting, albeit humorously roundabout and complicated, way to sort of ape the look of Dynasty Warriors and such. I was surprised these were real puppets and not 3D animation.
>>62298631>albeit humorously roundabout and complicatedThis is actually common in a LOT of the wuxia genre in general; frequently the protagonist starts out as dramatically weaker then his immediate foes and has to outwit them and there’s lots of psychological mind games as everyone tries to get everyone else to dishonor themselves or loose face, and despite practicing martial arts they often go WAY out of their way to avoid fighting anyone who even remotely might be stronger and instead find ways to trick them.
>>62298670I just meant that doing something with practical effects is a lot harder and more expensive than doing 3D, which is why I find it funny they chose to go that route and still try to emulate the style of a popular series in a similar genre that DOES use 3D. I assume the puppetry has some additional significance that i'm unaware of as additional reasoning and justification for its use.
>>62291323fuck this show was cool. i love the craftsmanship. too bad when i saw it on toonami it died in .14 seconds.
>>62298885Yes, but if you want something to not look like complete garbage, you don't use CGI.
>>62298901what? season 2 just came out.
>>62298966it showed up on toonami back in 04 as a western shitty 4kids dub called Wulin Warriors that didn't take the source material seriously, but it at least got me to remember it in the first place and find it again earlier this year. the show's been going on since the 90's originally in thailand if i'm not mistaken and has a ton of story.
>>62291323But anon, I do. I’m fact I’m working on a home brew system for fantastical adventures in not!china as we speak (though it’s wuxia, rather than xianxia, I admit)
>>62298966also, where the fuck do i watch this? crunchyroll?
>>62299535Google tells me its on crunchy roll but I just found the first two episodes on Youtube
>>62299213shit. I didnt know that. thanks for the info
>>62299535I use 'watch cartoons online'. all one word. then ".com"its got everything
One problem I do see with implementing something like this is just trying to address the massive difference in power levels. It's not uncommon for a single dude a tier higher to one shot 10 people of a lower realm. Addressing that kind of action economy would be slightly difficult especially given the context that it's not like the enemies are actually pieces of paper.
>>62291569>>62291569I doubt the fact that some weebshit takes inspiration from Western stories is the reason why it appeals to the West. That would be the mistake of "appealing to Western audiences" and every time Japanese companies try that it doesn't end well (see that DanMachi game that was censored for Western audiences). I'd say the appeal comes precisely from the fact that it is something different from what we're used to. I also don't know what anime you're watching or what manga you're reading but generally speaking Japanese media constantly reference their own myths and history. Sometimes fetishizing Western shit for being cool and exotic or using D&D as a reference guide for fantasy doesn't change that.That said, you are right that Korean shit is generally discount Japanese shit and Chinese shit is failing to expand in the same way due to censorship. Though we've already seen a handful of Chinese shows gain some traction. There's Cupid's Chocolate, I think that was sorta liked? It also may relate to the fact that China is 20 or so years behind Japan in general development (they're only now crawling out of the "cheap copies of Western electronics" stage to follow Japan into the "develops its own high quality electronics" stage. Huawei for example is at this weird in-between stage where they produce high quality phones mostly by abusing the lack of copyright laws and just aping Samsung and iPhone for a fraction of the price).
>>62300037It's not so much that Japanese Mythology isn't present in their fantasy, but rather at this point it's either ignorable or sort-of-familiar due to the Japan and the West fetishizing each other's myths for a few decades. Samurais, Oni, Kitsune, etc. all get intermingled with Knights, Trolls, and Lamias enough that both are familiar.And back in the 80's/90's there was the same friction we see now with Chinese Fantasy because that intermingling didn't yet exist to a substantial enough degree, it was just less noticed because stuff from the Asian market itself was less noticed and the global web hadn't truly invaded every part of modern life. Now China has to deal with the same growing pains Japan did when it expanded its media overseas, but without the veil of obscurity slowly expanding the space it inhabits.
>>62293172Last time there was an US My Hero Academy, all the pupils were mental wrecks who got slaugthered for Drama.
>>62291323Because Chinese. Everything is about a shiny veneer covering up a cheap and festering rot.
>>62301958There's still plenty of Japanese mythos that not all westerners will get. Ask an American who Benkei is, and they couldn't tell you, yet he shows up all the time when referencing legendary Japanese individuals.
>>62291323>For all this talk about having your fighters be so swole they're basically magic, there's a disturbing lack of xianxia here. Why don't you appreciate Chinese Fantasy anon?We talk about wuxia and xianxia every couple of months anon, spend more time on /tg/
>>62291323>Why don't you appreciate Chinese Fantasy anon?Generally speaking I don't run magic settings in the few games I've handled. Strictly supernatural, sci-fi and modern sort of campaigns. >>62299213>>62299561Just to clarify, Studio Pili are the people responsible for the puppetry. Thunderbolt fantasy is a new show they worked on together with Gen Urobachi, but their usual format is a single long running show that we got a part of under the name 'Wulin warriors'. TBF has a much higher overall production value as opposed to their normal show which airs almost daily I think. So same studios, different productions.
>>62299937Give everyone of a higher realm extra attacks against lower realms and bonus damage?Give everyone surmounting a realm to attack a higher one negatives to hit/to damage?
So, Thunderbolt Fantasy thread, then?
>>62306041Fuck. My reading comprehension is shit.
Whats a good place to read Wuxia in english or with parallel translation?My Chinese is only pretty basic and I don't think I could read a whole novel even with simple structure.
>>62305274>>62306041>mfw there are thunderbolt fantasy fans on /tg/
>>62307684>His sword isn't even a sword>It's just a painted wooden stick
>>62293221>I do and regularly read xianxia workslike
>>62307790That was, and still is, the hyped shit.
EVERYONE, POST YOUR FACE WHEN THE MUSIC KICKS IN!
>>62305274what is the best system to run it in and how would you stat each character from the first season?
>>62308205I'm so glad that the hype theme was left in place, I was worried they were either going to remix or replace it.
>>62308242It always feels like both the volume and hokeyness are cranked to 11 when it plays, but damn does it get me hyped
>>62308234Secret lvl 30 Unarmed Swordsage in a game with a bunch of lvl 10-15s who think they're hot shit.
>>62307878I Shall Seal The HeavensCoiling DragonStellar TransformationsSwallowed StarDesolate EraMartial God AsuraNot all of them are that great and non would be considered literary masterpieces but they are fun reads regardless
>>62291323>Xianxia>he says, posting a literal Taiwanese Puppet Show co-produced by Japs
>>62308407To be honest i don't think the gap is that wide between him and the demon lady or Lǐn Xuě Yā, but I'm not sure I'd put the rest even at level 10-15 except the one eye and MEIHOU KEISATTSU who probably are around that level, but both of which were absolute punks compared to Lǐn Xuě Yā and Xing Hai.
>>62302110Let's not forget Oda Nobunaga showing up in pretty much everything. Despite being Japan's most popular historical figure, outside of Japan he's only really known to people with an explicit interest in Japan. It's not like Napoleon or something, whose name everyone has at least heard once or twice before.Now imagine the French faux-anime industry taking the Oda approach with Napoleon>Napoleon as a little girl>Napoleion in space>Napoleon isekai'd to a generic fantasy world>Or the hit Light Novel "My girlfriend is possessed by the spirit of French general and emperor Napoleon Bonaparte and now she wants me to help her conquer Europe?!"
>>62308234Statting up Syou Fu Kan or Rin Setsuha should be a stress test for wuxia RPGs. I believe Weapons of the Gods could do it because it has an explicit Dugu Qiubai martial arts style.
>>62310946They seemed to paint him as their Cao Cao, more or less.
>>62311060The dude unified Japan nearly by himself. To say Nobunaga is a big deal is putting it lightly. What did Cao Cao do?
>>62311083I know his name is pronounced "tsao tsao," at least.
>>62311083>nearly by himself.He actually did have an army.
>>62311083>Cao Cao>beats the shit out of everyone, cannot be stopped>progression stops when his army starts on fire>Nobunaga>beats the shit out of everyone, cannot be stopped>burns to deathFire is the true enemy here.
>>62303122>>62306053this shit is fire. Marathoning it tonight and gonna steal everything not nailed to the floor for a Genesys campaign.
>>62311323https://youtu.be/lcYz91OyplA?t=300:30 to 1:48 specifically, it's the show's go-to "OH SHIT HE GONNA DO IT" theme for when a combat situation is about to get (and then is currently) awesome/absurd/drenched in puppet blood.
>Thunderbolt Fantasy thread on /tg/Yeah boi.
>>62311323https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYrsNUVqh9cSee this fight for it in action.
>>62314509I really should start a TBF campaign.
>>62313882Holy shit hahahaha
>>62314545The hardest part will be pulling off Snow Duck's part.
>>62314591Yeah, that'll be tricky.
I love this entire thread.Can't wait to see how smoke duck double to triple backstab everyone again, though Edgeless Blade is best Protag
>>62315177I'm worried that they won't be able to top the sheer hype of the stick.
>>62315177>that moment when Ducky got absolutely BTFO by the villain dudeYou don't usually see trickster main characters being out-fucking-played, and it was immensely satisfying.10/10 rip in peace villain guy, you did well.
>>62310639There aren't that many other characters besides Mr. Bones and Spear Dude. SPK best boy.
>>62291323as much as I love the Thunderbolt Fantasy talk, I took this thread as inspiration to make another thread regarding collecting info for cultures, time periods and genres. So hop in there and supply Xianxia info in there and other Chinese stuff. I want this info.>>62315631
>>62291323Here's the problem, no one who is doing a campaign based on that wants to be a weak character. They want to START the campaign as strong as Shō Fu Kan and be OP.
>>62298631It works around the weakness of Gen Urobuchi's writing by forcing the dialog to be short and snappy because puppets can't hold still long enough for his normal run-on sentences.
>>62300037>doubt the fact that some weebshit takes inspiration from Western stories is the reason why it appeals to the West. That would be the mistake of "appealing to Western audiences" and every time Japanese companies try that it doesn't end well (see that DanMachi game that was censored for Western audiences).I think it's that Japan has a very unique idea of western fantasy.
>>62302110Musashi was here, Benkei is a loser.
>>62315746Then they are lame.
>>62313882>sideways sword helicopter>sword clash makes everything fucking explodeCuhrayzee
>>62315707Hopefully something like this can become popular. It's kind of annoying that every time there's a culture discussion it always feels like it starts from zero.
>>62291323Looking at this thread, as a man who hates most overthetop weebshit, i must binge this shit when i finish my dm duties tommorow. Thank you.Puppets are sickass
>>62315890my only advice. do NOT read any of the spoilered shit in this thread. It hides some dope shit.
>>62315877Then post in there faggot. Even if its just requesting a wishlist of setting, genre, or culture. Lets get the convo going, I've already started saving things in a text document.
>>62315902Oops. I think i learned one thing i was not meant to. Oh well. I will discontinue my reading, but leave this thread open as a reminder to watch itThank you
>>62315787Late as always, I see.
>>62315922I don't know the reference, but trips don't lie.
>>62315922Being late is part of my plan to throw you off.
>>62315929Not him but Miyamoto Musashi intentionally arrived late to his arranged duel with Sasaki Kojiro, knowing that the blatant disregard for ettiquite would make Kojiro mad and throw off his concentration. He also arrived not with a sword, but a wooden one he carved out of an oar on the way there, to make Kojiro even madder. He beat Kojiro to death with it.
>>62308407>That episode where he struggles against endless hordes of zombies while his dickass party didn't give a shitKnowing what we know now made me appreciate it a lot more. Shang isn't invincible and Zerg rushing him is a pretty legit weakness because of his self-imposed limits. People who aren't holding back would have probably had no problem against that horde, which is why they underestimated him.
I'm actually working on a Old5R inspired not!China Card Game, I'm currently at university so it's being put on hold until I go on semester break.
>>62316061should I just steal all the L5R lore to use for the culture cyclopedia, or is it too unique to the game to be used of 'not-china' or 'not-japan' games?
>>62316068L5R is pretty unique in the sense that it's romanticised Western textbooks on Japanese history and mythology. I'm being very literal with this wording.As long as you don't do 8 clans fitting the L5R themes, or using "[Animal] Clan" names, I think L5R could just be a regular tale about Edo period intrigue and easily transferable to other settings. So like, instead of "Lion Clan" it could be the "Takeheda Clan" or something.It's difficult to make a Xianxia/Wuxia L5R-like and not copy-paste the clans and their associated lore and reskin them. Pic related is meant to the equivalent to the Crane, but it's got more in common with Phoenix and Dragon. Just to save my ass; the art is a placeholder, the card's not final, transformative work, etc etc.
>>62316122I meant less, 8 clans, and more cultural interactions and bushido code and honor. Even if its not 'accurate' its might be close enough to make it easy to use for a non L5R samurai game. basically, I just want useful clumbs of generic info.
>>62316147Oh, yeah you can totally use it in that case. If you look in the PDF share thread, under the Old5R trove, there should be a splat called "Life/Living in Rokugan" or something to that effect that has a lot of etiquette related things.Pretty sure AEG just took Samurai norms/lifestyle/politics out of cultural textbooks or from watching Old ass Samurai movies.
>>62316189sweet. I'll add that to the list.
To people more knowledgeable than me, is the Wulin (Martial Underworld) presented in Legends of the Wulin a real element in actual wuxia stories?
>>62316259Yeeeep.There are the great sects, the small sects the solo vagrants and then theres the evil sects.
>>62315929As >>62315972 says, it's a reference to Musashi's infamous duel with Sasaki Kojiro. He showed up to a duela) late and unkemptb) with a makeshift sword he carved out of an oar on the boat ride thereAnd he still won.
>>62293172My Hero Academia is in a weird spot. Last I heard the mangaka had to basically say "no I'm not taking inspiration from western comics, please ignore the multiple Venom figurines in the pictures of my studio." in order to maintain it's popularity and avoid judgement of the readers who abandon it for being "westaboo". Conversely, a lot of western readers see it as a blend of our style superheroes golden-age>silver-age (a /co/ expert would have to correct me on ages here) mixed with traditional shounen optimism and story convention, that's either a story you've seen before but with an interesting mix, or a setting you've seen before with a story that's generic-yet-unfamiliar.
>>62317704I feel bad for the guy, but fuck it, at least he's still drawing what he likes and getting paid for it.
>>62317773It's a bit of a shame that he would definitely lose readers if he were to outright say that it was inspired by western cape comics. But I will say, that as far as westaboos go, he seems pretty happy with it all at least.
>>62317835People are really weird.
>>62316259Absolutely. Martial and esoteric sects are a standard element.
>>62317704Real talk: is the similarity between Mirio and Tintin just coincidence or is it the westaboo bleeding through?
>>62318237You're close, but you're missing someone slightly more similar to Mirio than Tintin,>Power is phasing through things and "clipping">Like a videogameAnd what videogame popular videogame series/developer is known for it's glitches and bugs?But like all things, it's definitely possible, and without Word of God all we can do is draw comparisons.
>>62318279...that's bullshit but I choose to believe it.
>>62298885The significance is that the writer really enjoys puppet theatre so after he got big off of writing a few hugely successful anime he fucked off to make this passion project about puppets.
>>62314591>>62314620Just remember that a true master trickster never makes his objectives clear. An opponent whose goals are known is easy to outwit, but when nobody knows what you're trying to accomplish, it's nigh-impossible to stop you. That's basically Vape Duck's ethos.
>>62291323What's the sauce on Op's image?
>>62318591It's been mentioned a few times in the thread. Thunderbolt Fantasy.
>>62296815>Reliance.jpg>turtle with country on its backmy nigga.>>62291323I quite enjoy it. It has a lot to offer in terms of setting and even if xianxias tend to become pretty ridicolous with all the planet and universe destroying battles the harsh kill or be killed setting is nice.
what the fuck is this thread and why is it full of Anime Thunderbirds
>>62318811Distilled awesomeness. And it's puppetry, not anime.
But I do. I try to give my worlds a very chinese feel in the form of the unique swords, magic of "ki" as well as indian traditions such as astras and one birrion bladestorm secret moves learned from the wise old master on the mountain.
>>62319248yeah that's why I said thunderbirds
>>62317854More like Japan never really got over America kicking in their door back in the 1800's, then kicking down their cities in the 1900's. They've a long, proud history of telling the rest of the world to fuck off before being dragged kicking and screaming into the then-current era, then immediately returning to their isolationist ways because too much cultural or economic bleeding will destroy their social structure
>>62319518Honestly it's for the better. I like American culture, but it has a tendency to corrupt and dillute cultures it comes into contact with.
>the only two times Syo Fu Kan used a named technique had the words formless in it>Probably so good he doesn't need to rely on formal martial arts forms>That or he just made those two up on the spotThis fucking guy. I wonder how big of a deal he is back in his home country
>>62316835I feel there's a way to turn the duel into a Steamed Hams reference.
>>62319651>I wonder how big of a deal he is back in his home countryHe either was given or forcefully took charge of what´s basically a mobile silo of planet-destroying anti-sun missiles.
>>62319535It's not just America. China bled south into Korea in the third century, which bled into Japan bringing feudalism and writing with it to the then-barbarian Yamato State who promptly adopted it (fuck off Korea reeee) and took over the rest of Japan because if they remained un-unified and backwards they were gonna get annexed. Then in the seventh century China properly made contact and introduced bureaucracy and Buddhism, which was once again completely adopted and pretended to have always been that way (fuck off China reee) because Buddhism was already there to stay but having Buddhist 'authority' lie in the mainland and not interconnected with Shintoism would let those filthy foreigners lead religious coups. Then in the 16th century a Chinese ship with Portugese missionaries crashed on a Japanese Island, bringing with them the concepts of Guns, Money, and Jesus (Yeah they didn't really figure out minting currency till the 1500s). These got adopted but so quickly began to spiral out of control and into a massive civil war, a failed invasion of Korea, and the guy who took over after everything went to shit having to lock it all down and close the borders to keep it from repeating.Then two centuries later in the fucking 1850's America kicked the door in and said "We're trading partners now, because we have ironclads pointed at your capital and you're so fucking isolationist you don't realize Muskets aren't a century out of date. Now take our fucking money so we can fuck with the Europeans."Then they fought Russia to a standstill twice because Russian supply lines never work outside Russia and especially not over water, while Japan stole all the technology they could get their hands on from dead Russians. Then they went and kicked in China and Korea's teeth because Britain was busy dealing with WW1's aftermath, and Japan was like "Man we can fucking take over the entire Pacific at this rate!"And then they got nuked and made into America 2.0.
>>62319651Yeah, that's the thing; we've never seen him exert himself in the slightest in a 1v1 fight, every time it basically went:>bro are you serious about this>if you leave right now I won't chase you>alright fine, your funeraland then proceeds to effortlessly parry their shit for half a minute before bopping them with his edgeless chunk of wood and making them explode in a fountain of puppet blood.Even Best 10 Guy was, paraphrasing his own words, just another generic spooky magic warlord, the likes of which he's seen a killed a dozen times to the point he practically considers such adventures passe.I don't think we have a true handle on just how absurd the power scale is, especially when those from across the wasteland of spirits are concerned; seeing them get serious this season will likely make anything from S1 look like childs play.
>>62319792tl;dr, Japan's entire history is suddenly and abruptly jumping from one era of social and technological development to the next, then pretending they were always that way and will always be that way, until they get so far behind that someone forces them into the next era all over again. But because they revise their own view of history each time, it's always the 'barbarians' fucking shit up and never the fact that Japan repeatedly gets so backwards they have to start executing people to maintain the status-quo, when instead they could just pay attention to the world around them like everyone else.
Have you ever been so mad at someone that you self-decapitated just to carry a message to your master in your effort to swear vengeance?FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>62319929This the webm that got me to watch the show back when it was first airing.
>>62319657KOJIRO: Well, Musashi, you've finally made it... despite my detailed directions.MUSASHI: Ah, Sasaski Kojiro! You're here! I hope you're ready for an unforgettable duel!MUSASHI: Oh, egads! I forgot my sword! But what if... I took this oar and disguise it as my own sword? Oh ho ho ho... delightfully devilish, Musashi!KOJIRO: Musashi!MUSASHI: Kojiro, I was just, uh... sharpening my sword by the beach. Iaijutsu exercise! Care to duel me?KOJIRO: Why is your sword made of wood, Musashi?MUSASHI: Uhh... no! That isn't wood. It's lacquered. Lacquer on this folded steel katana I have! Ooo... lacquered steel![a few moments later]MUSASHI: Kojiro, I hope you're ready to bleed all over my bokken!KOJIRO: I thought you had lacquered steel katana.MUSASHI: D'oh, no. I said lacquer-like katana! That's what I call bokkens!KOJIRO: You call bokkens "lacquer-like katana"?MUSASHI: Yes. It's a regional dialect!KOJIRO: Uh-huh... uh, what region?MUSASHI: Uhh... Honshu?KOJIRO: Really? Well I'm from Fukui prefecture and I've never heard anyone use the phrase "lacquered katana".MUSASHI: Oh, not in Fukui, no. It's a Harima expression.KOJIRO: I see. You know, your bokken looks quite similar to that oar on your boat there.MUSASHI: Oh ho ho ho... no, patented Miyamoto bokken, old family heirloom.KOJIRO: A bokken?MUSASHI: Yes.KOJIRO: Yeah, so you called them "lacquered katana" despite the fact they are obviously part of an oar.MUSASHI: Ye- hey- you know, the- one thing I should- excuse me for one second.KOJIRO: Of course.cont.
>>62320268MUSASHI: [YAWN] Well, that was wonderful. A good duel was had by all, I'm pooped.KOJIRO: Yes, I should be- Good Lord, what do you have on your other hand?!MUSASHI: A second sword?KOJIRO: Uh- A SECOND SWORD, AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, AT THIS TIME OF DAY, IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY, LOCALIZED ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR LEFT HAND!?MUSASHI: Yes!KOJIRO: May I see it?MUSASHI: No.MUSASHI'S BOATMAN: Musashi, how are we gonna get back when you carved both my oars?!MUSASHI: No worries- it's just a second sword!KOJIRO: Well, Musashi, you're an odd fellow, but I must say... you lacquer a good katana.MUSASHI'S BOATMAN: Pay my fare already!
>>62315890Have you watched it yet?
>>62291569>>62301958>On top of that it lacks the familiarity of japanaboo drawing on western myths>It's not so much that Japanese Mythology isn't present in their fantasy, but rather at this point it's either ignorable or sort-of-familiar due to the Japan and the West fetishizing each other's myths for a few decades. Samurais, Oni, Kitsune, etc. all get intermingled with Knights, Trolls, and Lamias enough that both are familiar.Literally the most popular animes from Japan draws on Chink Myth/Fiction. Dragonball Z and Hokuto no Ken comes to mind.In fact most of Anime caters to Eastern audiences really, it has a fuckton of nuances that White boi misses out.
>>62323931>Hokuto no KenI´m trying to recall that famous ancient chinese novel about kungfu brothers punching FUKC HYUGE dudes, many of which are modeled on parodies of military units, in a postapocalyptical future China.And the Monkey King is a popular figure in India, China, Southeast Asia and Japan.
>>62317704Not really an expert but Id say its actually more like the bronze age in which cape comics became more down to earth and socially conscious but still pretty optimistic
>>62323931Yeah but that's not the point. Enough Anime Fantasy draws on or uses stuff close enough to Western Fantasy to be relatable. The nuances don't matter, just the general ability to digest, which Chinamanime (and specifically Xianxia and Wuxia) just straight doesn't have. Japanime and its discount-version Koreanime had just enough stuff to mesh and were aggressive enough in pushing it during the 90's and 00's that the more esoteric stuff has been absorbed by pop-culture.It's not that Xianxia won't ever become popular enough to be recognized outside of the PRC/Central Asia, it's just that that shit is gonna take time and people pushing it. Exactly the same shit Japanese Fantasy had to go through. The issue though is that Chinese Media sees more incentive to appeal solely to the Asian Market rather than try and muscle-in on Japan's slice of the World Market. So they aren't making efforts to push their product, make it relatable, or draw in those White Bois who gobble up anime. So it's gonna take longer.Christ it's not rocket science, look at the entire context of a post rather than defaulting to shitposting and only analyzing single points.
>>62323707Seconded, I wanna hear the new meat's thoughts.
So what exactly is the difference between xianxia and wuxia?And how the fuck do i pronounce them?
>>62326657But Xianxia is literally the original shonen.
>>62291569Thats really solid.
>>62327340Wuxia=“Woo-ZIA”>Kind of like low fantasy in that most of the conflicts are human in nature and revolves around human organizations fighting and dying for honor and glory. Kungfu will be common and often have magical properties at higher levels, but true “magic” will be rare to nonexistent since most Chinese folklore says only immortals can use magic. No monsters or demons, though those that do appear if they do are often tremendously powerful relics of a bygone age.Xianxia=Zian-ZIA>Like wuxia but has a lot more open magic and immortals and superhumans, with demonic gods and other such beings often being the main villain. Still lots of Kung fu and human melodrama, but roughly the Chinese equivalent of high fantasy.
>>62300037You got a source?
>>62327340In Wuxia, magic is decently low-tier, monsters likewise and most of the people there in the actual powercircles are decent folk trying to better things.In Xianxia, there is a 99% chance that your entire village/city/planet/galaxy will be blown up by a stray magic spell, or that a fuckoff huge monstrosity will come and eat everything. The last 1% is for when Cultivators (the guys with the crazy magic spells) actually come kicking down your door to rape your women and men, and then blow everything up for laughs.
>>62327552So Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon would be wuxia I assume? Sorry for my plebness, but that and Thunderbolt Fantasy are really the only Chinese shows I know much about.
>>62328601Crouching Tiger is about as wuxia as it gets yeah. Xianxia is more OG Dragonball where Goku wanders around fighting demons and meeting immortal hermits with a couple of blatanttly inhuman supernatural techniques like the kamehameha and flight.
>>62329158Xianxia sounds fun, stupidly OP protags are right up my alley.
>>62327229Diffrent anon but I just watched the first ep cuz of this thread and holy crap is this show crazy go nuts. I was unsure about puppet 'anime' but there is a weird and beautiful style to it like a hyper anime stage play. It is obviously Chinese inspired but it feela like an amalgam of Asian styles and such that I like.
Fuck it. Iam gonna rewatch season one, its felt like forever.
>>62329333Same, it's about due for a rewatch. Nice trips by the way.
Also, can anyone explain the style choice to have the narrator say something (probably) poetic at the beginning or when characters show up? Is this a thing to the genre?
>>62329430>Is this a thing to the genre?Yes, it's also interesting to note that in the traditional puppetry there is only one voice actor (a man) who voices all the characters. For the Japanese dub, they have a normal voice cast. But the voice you hear during any poem is the actual lone voice actor speaking in Taiwanese.
>>62329430If I remember right, the poem is usually said at the character's introduction. But Thunderbolt Fantasy's writer decided that it would be better for the poems to be delivered at an important moment for that character, like when Ken/Juan's poem is recited when he steels his resolve, or when Sho Fu Kan/Shang's poem finally shows.
>>62329513>in the traditional puppetry there is only one voice actor (a man) who voices all the charactersThat sounds pretty metal, actually.
>>62310946>Or the hit Light Novel "My girlfriend is possessed by the spirit of French general and emperor Napoleon Bonaparte and now she wants me to help her conquer Europe?!"Funny, this reminds me of that one stage from Psychonauts
>>62314509well shiiii this looks awesome. now to track the entire thing down
>>62324162Legend of the Three Kingdoms
>>62329995Its on VRV for free, both seasons and the movie.
>>62291323Because I can't pronounce them.What the fuck do you mean qi is pronounced chi
>>62299560>>62330034>>62330455>streamingThis makes my inner /a/utist rage incoherently. Just torrent from nyaa like a normal weeb.
>>62330072That's about halberd fighting and political shenanigans. Three kingdoms is a completely separate epic in it's own right
>>62291323Because people floating all over the place looks fucking stupid.
>>62311300Fire, Asia's ancient Enemy.
>>62331218One simple trick. China HATES it
>>62330072You clearly haven't read either.
I just really fucking love swords, you guys. You don't even know, man.
>>62291323I don't particularly enjoy the main system /tg/ recommends for the genre, Legends of the Wulin. It lacks customization options and combat is a slog.Is there another system anons could recommend?
>>62332730Perhaps Wandering Heroes of Ogre Gate? It's PWYW, clearly made by a passionate author, and has 60 full pages of kung fu techniques, some being quite specific. So rather than LoTW going, you choose a style and you get these techniques, this game goes, here's damn near every technique the kung fu movies show you, build your own style.I haven't played it though, so I don't know if combat is a slog.Here is a technique that replicates Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken from G Gundam.THE PHOENIX DRAGON STRIKE (SECRET) Discipline: Neigong Skill: Arm Strike Against Evade Type: Normal Qi: 6 You and a partner touch hands left to right, and immediately extend your remaining hands toward the enemy, unleashing a powerful flood of Qi that replicates the primordial energy of the Phoenix and Dragon. Make an Arm Strike Skill roll against the Evade of everyone in a 10-foot by 300-hundred foot line per Rank of Neigong. On a Success it does 3d10 Open Damage plus 3 Extra Wounds to everyone in it strikes. This requires two practitioners to employ. One must be a man and the other must be a woman. Use the Arm Strike Skill of the person with the lowest Rank. Cathartic: This does 6d10 Open Damage plus 6 Extra Wounds to everyone it strikes. When used Cathartically this ability automatically destroys any spirits or demons.
>>62332718Can we just appreciate for a moment that this man is called the fucking Bones of Creation. That's the kind of badass title your villains need.
>>62333212I want off Mr. Bones' wild ride. Also, why do I see him called 10guy?
>>62334160In Japanese his name is Betsu Ten Gai
>>62319651>>the only two times Syo Fu Kan used a named technique had the words formless in it>>Probably so good he doesn't need to rely on formal martial arts forms>>That or he just made those two up on the spot>This fucking guy. I wonder how big of a deal he is back in his home country>>62319651Back when the first season came out I remember a wuxia anon saying that Syo's techniques, which made their victims chi turn against them, were usually techniques used by villians in the genre. If the Butcher's following this trope, maybe Syo used to be a villain, or was trained by one.Unfortunately I can't find the page that had the translated descriptions of all the techniques used in the first series.
>>62294438I remember the thread you made about this recently. I feel the same way, except for different cultures.
>>62319651>I wonder how big of a deal he is back in his home countrythe blonde spear guy had an idea but he stoped him from saying it
>>62334172>>62334160To provide a bit of context, the proper names of most characters isn't used as often as you'd think due to some weird subtitling decisions in the show itself; namely, the subs out there read off their chinese name, while the actual names being spoken are japanese, and in most cases look and sound absolutely nothing alike.This led to confusion in early /a/ threads, and resulted in them eventually giving up on giving a shit about the proper names of pretty much anyone other than the MC, and either using secondary canon titles like Screaming Phoenix Killer, or creating easily identifiable nicknames like Vape Duck or Best 10 Guy.
>>62291323Because chinese fantasy and mythology is autistic shit that no one likes, except for Wukong, who's basically an indian story.
AH SHIT. The movie kicks ass. All hail the Vape Duck.
>>62336474>except for Wukong, who's basically an indian story.How does one read a huge fucking book about autistic infights between Daoism and Buddhism triggered by the fact that the translation of Buddhist texts used daoist terminology and the faith thus required some extra work to draw a clear line between it and its "parent" faith and conclude that it´s an indian story?Especially when Hanuman is featured in a completely separate epic that isn´t even alluded to in The Journey to the West even though it features multiple chapters dealing with Sun Wukong´s background from his birth to the point where he got locked into stone at a mountain pass.
>>62337990>you want to settle down peacefully?>end the cycle of violence that has defined your life?>while away your remaining years teaching respectable swordsmanship to a new generation, guiding them away from the blood-soaked path you had no choice but to take?>lol, no, get rekt #justduckthings
>>62338859I am now in the second half of the movie, which has the BEST method of recapping the viewers on what happened previously. And its not a clipshow...you can tell they made new scenes with the puppets.
>>62336174where the hell did the name 'vape duck' come from, anyway?
>>62339990Combination of him always smoking and the meaning of the characters in his name.
>>62339990At first he was "Vape Wizard," for obvious reasonsThen some anon misread the kanji in his name as "Snow Duck"And so Vape Duck was christened.
Other than the thing with the puppets, what would you guys say are the essential pieces of fiction for this genre?
>>62341635The opening bit of Journey to the West, before Buddha kicks Monkey’s ass.
Bump, because this is rad as fuck. I'm not sure why I love this sort of thing but get irritated by the same tropes being used in anime. Secret hidden powers, forbidden techniques, shouting the names of your moves, etc
>>62291323I do appreciate Chinese Fantasy, anon. But Perfect World more than a decade old, and the endgame content really pushes the microtransactions.
What non-East Asian cultures would mesh well or interestingly poorly with the themes and concepts of Wuxia/Xianxia/etc?My personal vote is for British/English/Celtic/etc., particularly the stories of Arthur and co. I think a retelling of the story in the style of Xianxia and maintaining/incorporating all of the weirder supernatural stuff in some of the stories would be extremely interesting
>>62343916The Matter of Britain as wuxia would work a lot better if you removed anything and everything related to the Grail quest. A supernatural mandate that requires ACTUAL purity and honor, rather than just face, breaks a lot of the social fun in wuxia.
>>62341635https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRg8bbc22IUIt's technically not wuxia, given that it's on an actual mythological level, but it's still good for mood and aesthetics.
>>62342954I think it's just because it's all so cheesy that it loops back to being great. Like, everything is so retarded but when a character uses the "Divine Heavenly Punishment of the Thousand Lotus" I can't help but crack a smile.
>>62346223>Demonic War Force: Hellborn Rebellion
The scene where its revealed that he doesn't have a sword still blows me away, everytime.
>>62329197There's a bunch of webnovels for you to read, then. At a minimum: I Shall Seal the Heavens, Coiling Dragon, Battle Through the Heavens, Warlock of the Magus World, Wu Dong Qian Kun and uhh... Sovereign of the Three Realms. Emperor's Domination and History's Number 1 Founder are good too, but the former is, "I don't care about power level, gimme keikaku" and the latter is, "Keikaku, keikaku, reference, joke, keikaku, keikaku."
>>62291569Xianxia "power creep" isn't actually a problem though, because as the power level goes up, the scale expands. In fact I think that western games can learn from it and imitate xianxia instead of doing things like modern where the power level increases but the scale stays pretty much the same.
>>62296815Some xianxia (City of Sin, the last arc of Warlock of the Magus World) is just D&D 3.5 plus homebrew stuff.
>>62298074I don't think that's actually common. I can't think of any that advances that fast.
>>62299213Thunderbolt Fantasy didn't exist in 04.
I wanna fuck a puppet
>>62333212Sounds like a random name from Dwarf Fortress, honestly.
>>62344881>>62344894Both of these look so ugly, when both protagonists are supposed to be super handsome.
>>62331218>>62331650I mean if you ever played any of the Dynasty Warrior games, FIRE ATTACK was like this ubiquitous gambit that shows up in dozens of battles
Because as much as I like the mysterious legends and supernatural shit; the Chinese aesthetic is, most of the time, really stupid to me. Wood armor/sandals, rope ties, footwear with exposed toes, man-buns, weird headdress articles, floofy-fur boas or on clothing, curved swords... I don't like it.I'll still take it over retarded Warhammer pauldron-core shit and overcompensating guns, though.
>>62338859>Bloodsoaked path you had to take>Taught by the previous Kensei renowned through the land for his skills, brought up in spite of his unfortuitous birth>Decides to become an assassin and bodyguard anyways, using the skills he was taught to endlessly murder in an attempt to further polish his skills>Hides behind his infortuitous birth-prophecy as to why he does itPhoenix was an unrepentant villain far before he met Vape Duck, and didn't really intend to repent in any way afterwards. It was more that he realized that you don't always need to kill your opponent immediately, because they can still get stronger.
>>62323931>Hokuto no Ken Ah yes, the famous chink legend, Mad Max
>>62314509This shit is super well choreographed
>>62342954At a guess, it’s because anime has the characters go back to being “normal people” when the fight is over, so there’s a dissonance between the martial sequences and the character building sequences. In this case, however, it never stops being appropriate to the setting and events depicted.
>>62343916Stuff like the Song of Roland, where he carves out a mountain pass with his sword and blows his horn so hard his temples burst.
>>62319651I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that he's one of the immortal sages that originally made those weapons. The reason he is collecting them is because he needs to take them back.
>>62350492I feel like, if that were the case, he would have already known that the sealing sword was the real deal, AND that it was likely sealing the demon god. Probably wouldn’t have fucked around as much.
>>62350437>and blows his horn so hard his temples burst.Bards trying to be martials.
>>62313882It's like having an Exalted thread but not trashfire tier.
>>62302110>There's still plenty of Japanese mythos that not all westerners will get. Ask an American who Benkei is, and they couldn't tell you, yet he shows up all the time when referencing legendary Japanese individuals.Ask a Japanese person about Paul Revere and you will get similar looks of confusion.Although to be fair if you ask an American about Paul Revere you'll get the wrong story.Paul Revere: American spymaster.
>>62347303Is Linley Chaotic Evil or Lawful Evil?
So did anime steal wuxia visual tropes (a lot of the mannerisms, sword energy explosions, crazy sick moves, etc) or does wuxia draw from anime to attract more modern audiences? Because I noticed a lot of similarities
>>62351454You should try to look beyond superficialities, then you´d realize that wuxia stories don´t operate anything like those of manga or anime at all.I´d suggest reading scanlations of Xixia and Wuxia comics, but I doubt you´re actually fluent in using your eyes at this point.
>>62351602>I noticed a lot of similar visual tropes in both of these..>STOP LOOKING AT VISUAL THINGS PLEB THE STORIES ARE DIFFERENT Thanks bud.
>>62351627Ya obviously can´t tell flashlights from headlights bro.
>>62351454Wuxia has influenced a lot of shit from anime to video games to movies and televisionFor a more comprehensive explanation than I'm able to give check this out http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31707This thread provides an excellent breakdown of what wuxia is, what it's common tropes and character archetypes are, and it's evolution and impact on media in the 20th century
>>62348585I did love his ability to predict matches before swords were even drawn.
>>62351454I’d say that a lot of that is feeding off each other.I’d bet that a lot of modern Wuxia writers grew up watching Dragonball or Deathnote.
Anyone know of any dark/depressing Wuxia like Death Sutra?
>>62353092>Modern writers grew up watching Death NoteWas it really that long ago?
>>62291323http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/62291323/Figured this thread deserved it.
>>62353430Yep, the first episode of the anime aired twelve years and three days ago.
>>62348792It’s Mad Max with Martial Arts, forbidden techniques, and a kidnapped love interest.
>>62329981Oh, hey. I was there for that.Not everything has to be taken as gospel jsyk
>>62328601Worth noting that Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is based on the Crane Iron Pentalogy written in the 40s and only loosely follows the source material.
Thread reviving technique: Front Page Return!
>>62354582Apparently it's in autosage for some weird reason.
>>62354643Mods being shits.