Let's roll up a forge world. In fact, let's roll up a forge world and say that it supplies the Hua-Yuanese regiments. (https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan_Exterminators)We'll use this chart: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus_Forge_World_Creation_TablesFirst off, roll a d10 for how orthodox we are.
Rolled 6 (1d10)
>>61898813Orthodox: Patterned after Mars with few deviationsRoll a d100 for something we're known for producing.
Rolled 75 (1d100)>>61898942So my thought that kinda got broached in the original threads is that there's basically four schools of thought in the Hua Yuan Mechanicus, and that can be divided into Gardener and ForeignerThe Gardener sects are the Void Chaste and the New-Wave Alternatives, the Chaste believe in upholding the traditions of the original crew of the Brimstone, the ship that the Hua Yuan hive is built around.The Foreigners are the Shepardic Orthodoxy, which is the AdMech brought in to civilise the hive, and the Retograde Millitants, shooty sorts mostly focused on xenotech, archeotech, and heretek, and would rather tear the hive down.The Orthodoxy and the Chaste are pretty well aligned, but there's a little friction since the Orthodoxy is 40k AdMech and the Chaste are 30kThe NuWave Alts are violently opposed to the Militants, who have evolved their own mostly adherent cult more in line with local traditions.Since these guys are pretty Orthodox, I think that fits with our first roll. What do you guys think?
>>61899002Servitors and Bionics, neat.Exterminators and Gardener Gardener gangers have a culture of getting "chromed", a cultural remnant from Tyranic veterans getting prosthetics
>>61899002>>61899122roll a d10 for any special qualities our bionics have.
Rolled 5 (1d10)>>61899284
>>61899465Esoteric design. So these servitors and/or bionics are fancy in some way.Now, a d10 for our demeanour.
Rolled 6 (1d10)>>61899557
Rolled 22 (1d100)>>61898804Rolling our founding date ass well using the Marine/Knight table as a base.
>>61899557Maybe they put the Chromed in chrome? They specialize in creating lightweight but flashy chrome for the Exterminators? Maybe a rogue element skims some for the gangs?
>>61899639Faith in the Omnissiah above all. Ave deus Mechanicus.Next up is what form our skitarii take. d10.
Rolled 8 (1d10)>>61900279
>>61900307Servitors. It makes sense, considering our proficiency in making them. Kataphrons perhaps?Our final roll is a d10 for the strength of our armies.
Rolled 8 (1d10)>>61900333What sort of rolls could be added to the Forgeworld table? It's really lacking. I did an age roll using the Marine table here>>61899687.
>>61900377Above average.There's a Skitarii army creation table here https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Skitarii_Army_Creation_Table
>>61900435Let's use this as well. Sure we're swimming in servitors, but why not roll here?
Rolled 100 (1d100)>>61900435>>61900442Want to roll the Legion? It may be a bunch of lobotomized cyborgs, but I think we can do something interesting with them.
>>61900455>Failed Princeps Candidates: These men once had the power of the God Machines within their reach. Having failed in their ambitions and shamefully survived, they swore themselves to the Skitarii legions in an attempt to erase their failure. Now they fight the Omnissiah's enemies under the shadow of their former peers.
>>61900587Shall we scrap the servitor legion bit?
Rolled 94 (1d100)>>61900612May as well. I don't even know why a Skitarii Legion would be made up of Servitors. Seems more a PDF thing than an Elite fighting forceGlitches
>>61900651Synaptic Echoes: The binary of the Skitarii becomes completely incomprehensible over time, developing into its own language of alphanumeric codes. The Maniples are unable to communicate with their Tech-Priests overseers, unless the Mechanicus break the code.Next, roll for when this legion was created.
>>61900691Ah, that's a d100. Sorry.
Rolled 40 (1d200)>>61900711Rerolling FW age using Skitarii table
Rolled 57, 50 = 107 (2d100)>>61900764I meant 2d100 not 1d200
>>61900775It was only 1d100, so I'll go with the first roll. This legion was raised during the age of apostasy. Now, a d6 as for why they were raised.
>>61900612>>61900651Nah, the world can just have shit loads of servitors, and export them.Even still, the world could also be a titan station, and thus has a lot of failed candidates, or vegitative ones, for servitorshipWhich works, considering why this thread was made in the first place.
Rolled 4 (1d6)>>61900814>>61900815Fine, just at Servitors aren't the greatest fighters
>>61900861This legion was raised as part of an expedition to find lost technologies, defend the tech-priests, and eliminate those who taint the Omnissiah's holy works.Next is 1d100 for our great deeds.
>>61900899There we go. They were made to come tame Hua Yuan
>>61900815Why did this thread get made?
Rolled 41 (1d100)>>61900899
>>61901216Explorators: Established a entirely new Forge-World in the name of the Omnissiah.Next up, let's see who our figure of legend is! Roll a d100.
Rolled 20 (1d100)>>61901238Is no one else here? I hate being a Midwesterner sometimes.
>>61901339Alpha: A Skitarii Alpha known throughout the Mechanicus and even the Imperium for being an incredible warrior. Even a few mighty Astartes recognized his abilities. He met his untimely demise not on the field of battle, but through a failure in his augmentations.Alrighty. Next roll a d100 for our skitarii legion's allies.
Rolled 48 (1d100)>>61901449Obviously no one else will
>>61901479We are allied with the adeptus astra telepathica - the organization responsible for recruiting psykers throughout the Imperium. Last but certainly not least, let us roll for our main enemies. 1d100.
Rolled 78 (1d100)>>61901563
>>61901571Chaos daemons. The neverborn. Creatures of the warp.
>>61901587How about we roll on the planet generator?
>>61901599I'm not sure about that one. Since we rolled that we're patterned after Mars, it would stand to reason that our forge world is very similar to the red planet.
>>61901045Well I wanted to make a main GSC, and a larger meta narrative for the setting. So what I came up was a cult that venerated Biotitans that they were growing underneath Hua Yuan itself. Godzilla and other Toho Kaiju themed Tyranid Biotitans. With sects dedicated to each "GodI needed an admech sub cult for Gigan, being a big ass Demichaeron that had been blown to shit and needed cybernetics. Then that begged the question, what's Hua Yuan's forge world?Thoughts?
Rolled 2 (1d2)>>61901629Okay rolling for either Hive or Forge for Homeworld Origins
>>61901734For what? This is the Forge World that supplies Hua Yuan and the surround area. We can assume that this was actually a Titan world, and our skitarii legion was slapped together to have a Adeptus Mechanicus foot in the door, considering that the place was built on a pre-Imperial/30k era ship
>>61900815That's pretty cool, could have a particularly tough titan legion where the titans have machine spirits that are more active than usual, which fits well with >>61901629Since these titans are ideosyncratic and more likely to get into a Kaiju Big Battel and be all Mecha Godzilla.>>61901625Doesn't need to be, though. Could be marsaboos.
>>61901863Do we dare roll up a titan legion? I know pretty well what I want, Pacific Rim Jaegers, Jet Jaguar, Ultraman, Gotengo I'm not sure how I would port Mechagodzilla
Rolled 20 (1d100)>>61902002Why not? As log as we don't have any SM I'm fine
>>61902023I suppose I should drag out the titan rolly boye https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Titan_Legion_Creation_TablesSo, the majority of the legion is Reavers. Which is a nice size, and allows us to roll deep. This doesn't mean our heavy hitters can't be biggerGive me a 1d100 for lead engine
Rolled 56 (1d100)>>61902127
Rolled 67 (1d100)>>61902145A Mars-Alpha. Mars-Alpha Warlord? So what, two volcanoes and missiles?Roll for deed...
>>61902145Mars-Alpha Warlord Titan, big beautiful bastard that it is, is the Lead and First Engine of the Legio1d100 for its deed of legend
>>61902213"This Engine was at the forefront of a glorious crusade deep into uncharted regions, defeating countless foes and bringing an entire sector back into the light of the God-Emperor."Let's go with this roll, because it could have been a part of the Explorator fleet that made recontact with Hua Yuan. 1d100 for homeworld. We may learn more about this forge world
Rolled 84 (1d100)>>61902254
>>61902289Datahive - Extremely rare and nigh-legendary, a datahive is a Forge World devoted entirely to the collection and analyzation of data. On those rare occasions when a Titan Legio is established upon a datahive, they are invariably equipped with immense and comprehensive databases on the foes of mankind from those long-dead tomes.Our world is no joke, and may explain why the Skitarii are so lock step orthodoxGive me 1d10 for Legio Age
>>61902289Huh, Datahive. That's interesting. Gives us some cool places to go.
>>61902376Actually that's kinda cool, works with the control rooms you see for Jaegers/Kaiju command forces
>>61902375>>61902376So in a Toho Kaiju Film/Hong Kong Triad film vocabulary, who's the data guy?I think in Toho it's the UN and some university guy who's an expert on Kaiju or radiation but in a low-budget East Asian cinematic world I could see them being kind of Chinese Imperial Bureaucracy, department of record keeping of whatever, with ranked and highly trained magi obsessing over all the information that comes streaming in from an orderly system of agents and sensors and shit.>>61902414Oooh yes!!
Rolled 8 (1d10)>>61902375
>>61902531The Waning. Interesting. Maybe they did it specifically with the Nids in mind? Or maybe I'm off by a bit, but maybe the Lead Engine and the core few Reavers were out there, standing guard and then in M39 some clerk realized there were titans on some random world and said "Hey, these can help expand the Imperium. Let's have this forge world build some more titans!"
>>61902570The Nids weren't encountered for another 1+ millennia.
Rolled 2 (1d10)>>61902607Ok, so then just expanding the Imperium/clerk scenario.Rolling for current strength.
What about the daemons?
>>61902632>Decimated - Defeat has dogged the Legio, exacting a terrible toll in engines and crews. It has been decimated, reduced to a shadow of its former self. SNAFU
>>61902470Well a big theme with Hua Yuan is harkening back to when Britain owned Hong Kong. Hua Yuan was lost an recontacted twice. Once they were lost sometime before the crusade, then something happened, most likely the birth of Slaanesh, and the ship ended up with its ass slammed into the crust. They were cut off from the galaxy, and they evolved into their own society. Some time after a Ecclesiastical missionary fleet, and perhaps a rogue trader, rediscovered the place and settled down, right as Genestealers exposed themselves and Tyranids assaulted the planet. Warp Storms trapped the Gardeners and Imperials in with the Tyranids, but eventually it became the other way around as the only source of biomass was in the hive, and they resorted to putting that shit to flame. They won the day, and the Warp Storms cleared, and the Praetorians discovered the planet, again, while nearby, and now are deployed to the planet along with a myriad of other Imperial agencies, essentially waiting for the PDF and Hua Yuanese Guard to slip up in their fighting against straggler Xenos so they can seize the place or nuke it.Certain kinds of Admech and SoB are given venerated, if not slightly feared, positions because they have been there forever. Everyone else is an Imperialist colonizer imposing their way of life upon the Garden. I think because of that, the More U.N way would be better
Rolled 7 (1d10)>>61902675S'all right anonDeeds
>>61902641Could have been a thing in the Warp Storms about Hua Yuan and the sector that made traversing it difficult
>>61902698Any local tales of sea monsters?
Rolled 6 (1d10)>>61902689Deeds!
>>61902705Hua Yuan is extremely urban, the world beyond the bulkheads and spires is an inhospitable void of neon storms and ravaging diamond dust storms.
>>61902751>Lost in the Warp - For untold centuries, you were deemed lost to the warp, until suddenly you reappeared and joined battle without a moment's hesitation. >Champion Slain - A mighty warlord renowned and feared by the forces of the Imperium was finally brought down by your Legio. How about both?
>>61902763Hows about fucking both. Also does the daemons thing
>>61902773>The Legion was lost in the Warp for centuries fighting Daemons and popped out finding a Warlord in need of an asskicking
>>61902802Could tie it back into Hua Yuan, and when the warp storms above cleared, and there was the Legio.And then the Hive Tyrant found itself underneath a Titan footThe actual battle against the tyranid is largely unwritten, only how it affected the formation of the Exterminators
Keep this thread alive. Going to sleep.
>>61902682Gotcha. So what you could do is have the sort of Toho classic UN intelligence service, which is really what Nerv is, now that I think of it. If we're going with the feel of a Toho film, then it'll be kind of a campy super-science from the UN science council or whatever, but we could also have a bit of the British Empire's MI5. The forgeworld keeps an eye on everything and watches everything and pumps that to the rulers of Hua Yuan, but just how much they keep for themselves is never clear. It really only worries the rulers and even then only when a skitarii brigade comes in with their kukris whistling Colonel Bogey and drag off some scum from the underhive or worse, burst in to a party and take some minor hive noble."Haha my lad, nothing you need to worry about, just Mechanicus business. Just carry on, wot wot."(Now imagine a robot saying that...)
>>61902839>And then the Hive Tyrant found itself underneath a Titan foothttps://youtu.be/yg3mSqyz30s?t=260
I like where this is going.Give me a 1d10 for trophies
Rolled 4 (1d10)>>61902934Trophies!
>>61902953Xenos Helm - A vile xenos race faced your Legio and was found wanting. Their might was broken against your strength, and their race shattered into oblivion.Nids. Obviously. Hua Yuan is Bat Bug country Give me a 1d15 for our failures
Rolled 14 (1d15)>>61903009
>>61903056Big fat fuckin' FHumiliating Defeat - The Legio set out to exterminate a truly pathetic force of the enemy but somehow, perhaps through the raw tenacity of their otherwise feeble enemy, lack of effort on the Legios part due to the fact that their enemy seemed more like a joke then an actual threat, or through sheer bad luck the Legio was forced to retreat, whether the measly forces of the enemy were wiped out by more competent imperial elements(read a squad of guardsmen(as in squad singular)) or the enemy escaped to become legends amongst their kind, the fact remains that this is a loss the Legio will haunt the Legio for as long as they walk and has turned them into a laughing stock amongst those who know of it(in as much as a Legio of god machines can be a laughing stock)This probably could have happened at the battle of Hua Yuan. Battered by Daemonic assault, and bolstered by killing an Dominatrix or Hive Tyrant, the legio thought little of the Biotitans leading them away from the hive, and into some doom. Whatever happens could explain why the delegates from this forge world have little love for Hua Yuan and its miserable inhabitants.1d15 for traditions of the legio
Rolled 1 (1d15)>>61903183
>>61903308Divergent Pattern - The Legio is harboring divergent practices, like experimental machinery or unorthodox beliefs.Ooohhh, interesting.
Rolled 1 (1d15)>>61905590Rolling allies
Rolled 9 (1d15)>>61906203Re rolling, no Marines
>>61906240Well look at that, Explorator Fleet. Things are coming together.Roll me a 1d10 for our enemies besides Daemons and Nids.
Rolled 9 (1d10)>>61906710
>>61906725Chaos Space Marine WarlordMaybe the warlord we slew really was Chaos related.1d15 for combat doctrine
Rolled 15 (1d15)>>61906763
>>61906799Advanced Doctrine - Roll 2d2 more times on this table re-rolling multiples of the same resultAdvanced Doctrine - Roll 2d2 more times on this table re-rolling multiples of the same resultNice. Make two posts or 2d15, what floats your God Engine.
What I have, so far, for the GSC A friend suggested not leaning into simple gang styles, and actually make a cult that is truly counter to the cyberpunk nature of Hua Yuan, a true religious cult. But since I thought Godzilla was too limiting a palate for what I wanted, I took a very Hua Yuan approach, in using the triad/cartels as a model, in which there is a main hidden body, and attendant organizations that act as its limbs in the world. Each "branch" of the temple has a biotitan. Their God, their hidden weapon, and their leader. These Bio titans are hidden in the great aquifers or sprawling cave systems in Hua Yuan's crust, or simple covered up in hive infrastructure, which hab blocks sitting on a massive Tyranid, none the wiser. >The whole cult is the Storm Dragon Temple, dedicated to their Patriarch, and beyond him, a creature they simply refer to as "God". Their God is a pseudo-Dominatrix, its connection with the Hive Mind strong, and the sole cause of genestealer persistence in the Hive, however its synapse abilities are deliberately weak to dodge the detection of Exterminators under the effect of the heretical combat drug Xenon which allows them to detect synapse links. >The creature's function is to simply incur as much infrastructure damage and loss of life as possible to allow the repressed Genestealer Cults to mount a proper offensive against the PDF and Exterminator units, who are too well trained to simply oppose openly.
>>61907192>The "sub orders" of the temple are spread throughout the hive, but all have similar goals and organization.>Lowest amongst the temple are the Black Blood Sanitation Union, a guild of slovenly sewage workers, that operate ubiquitously throughout the hive cleanse systems, redirecting biomass, no matter how foul, to their local god, and the greater cult god. Their local god is a modified Malanthrope of immense proportions, cleverly hidden within industrial run off systems. Called the Hedonist, the cultists believe it to be eater of Hua Yuans sins, a spiritual absolver of the wastrels above. >The Black Bloods themselves take vows of poverty and dress in rags, and equip themselves in industrial equipment and rough hewn weapons. Their specific cult abhors the rich, powerful, and materialistic, their cult of waste borderline Nurglite in their filth and nihilism. They hate most they label as Profligates, the wasteful, the addicted, and the slovenly who's waste bolsters the Union.
Rolled 9, 3 = 12 (2d15)>>61906887
>>61907222>Inexorable Advance - Move and fire, a moving bulwark of high firepower. >Adapt and destroy - Observe the enemy discover their strengths, learn their weaknesses and exploit them with impunity. And they fell for such a simple feint. I don't have much faith in these guys.
>>61907262It depends. If its Daemons, all it takes is a sneeze from Tzeentch out of the wrong hole and our Legio is wiped from history. If it was the Tyranids, I'm thinking the Nids simply used tyrgons to burrow out the ground beneath the titans. It may be a shameful defeat, but considering our foes and venerated history, there's no great faulting us.That sums up the rolling, unless we decide that we need to roll for the Tyranids that started the Exterminator legacy
>>61907200>Polar opposites to the Black Bloods, is the Divine Wind Convent, a supposed Ecclesiarchal organization operating within the boundaries of the local Hua Yuanese cult. Many "Gardeners" revere the Emperor in sources of natural light being exceptionally rare in the dank depths of the neon lit city scape. These locations are tightly held by the church, using them as economic and social hubs. The Convent holds one of these holy sights, a shaft of light in the upper mid hive, a stained glass pane from the original ship, its reinforced void-proof material able to stand the test of time, and its cultural significance allowing it to withstand the test of urban expansion. Its brilliant light, amongst the largest in Hua Yuan has masked the Convent's subversion of the shrine, and blinded the public and PDF to their true nature, perfectly hidden in plain sight.>Through a small crack in the window mosaic, moisture from the stormy outside leaks, and the slow march of millennia has formed a lake underneath the upturned hull, considerably wide, taking into account the premium on space in the hive, but much deeper, the water erosion eating through the grand podium set underneath the light. That, and the burrowing of a larval biotitan.
>>61907639>The Convent goes out on healing missions, feeding and tending to the poor and destitute, giving mutants, abhumans and beastmen places of duty away from less tolerant eyes. The Convent is by all appearances one of the only truly benevolent forces in the hive, and indeed even they think their goals are purely magnanimous, even though they serve to build the army of the Temple through their recruitment of the misshapen and downtrodden, and the constant egg laying of their god, the Mother. >The Mother is viewed as a redeemer, an absolving angel, a merciful and healing god. Within the shrine, she lays millions of eggs, the tribute paid to the shrine in anything from food to raw materials and the countless bodies lain to rest there all feed her and nourish the nest. Those who please the head priestess, and thus the mother, and reportedly see miraculous visions in the waters, or in the dust caught in the light, or have physical boons, such as healed wounds or deformities, increased virility or fertility, or greater physical abilities, all gifts from the powerfully psychic Mother.
>>61907655>The Death Lotus Tong is actually an incidental branch of the Storm Dragon Temple. While the biotitans have flourished under the auspices of the Patriarch and his broodlords, the flora and fauna of Hua Yuan has been forever altered. Warpstorms, successful defenses, and march of time has cut off many creatures off from the Hive Mind, and have created creatures wholly unique to the hive, such as the Core Dragon, a massive centipede like creature that generates massive amounts of heat from natural bioplamsa reserves, often a forge nuisance. Many aliken it to the Catachan Devil in its suspected Tyranid origins.>Another organism is the Corpse Lotus, a beautiful flower that flourishes upon spilled blood and cadavers. Once thought to be some distant cousin of other macabre plants, such as the Argoan Gorepoppy. However the lotus is it's own species, a Tyranid one. When the Gardener's turned flamed against their home rather than cede ground the Tyranids, many barbed strangler pods went into hibernation, and once the Imperium claimed victory, some reflowered, evolved and feral. These early plants were different enough to be spared the brutal hive wide genesteale xenocides, and evolved daily into the Corpse Lotus seen today.
>>61907699>Ironically, it was the slaughters of gang warfare that gave birth to the bio titan known as "The Rose of God", or simply the Rose. The thousands of bodies left in the aptly named Flower District gave a rich feeding ground for Corpse Lotus spores. Twice as ironically, this violence and reforestation raised the property value to such a degree that noble clades and affluent guilders bought out the once crime ridden neighborhood, and cultivated the flowers that covered the once bare hablocks. And as they fed their flowers, the web of once simple creatures joined into a megafloral colony. >A cultist who infiltrated a family within the district felt this slow shift, a faint tug in the Hive Mind. The Patriarch too felt this, and dispatched cultists to the district, and subsumed the noble family. There they discovered the secret of the Corpse Lotus, and from then on a new cult formed, nurturing a plant based biotitan underneath one of the most affluent neighborhoods in Hua Yuan. The Rose is a strange creature, the Patriarch molding it using a similar construction to the Storm Dragon, their ultimate god, but ensuring that its botanical nature is used to greatest effect. When it awakes, the Rose can signal the hibernating strangler pods throughout the hive, and effect rapid evolution in the Corpse Lotuses through messenger spores turning them into noxious tyranocyte factories. A destructive force in it's own right, the Rose will uproot the foundations of the hive in its blooming.
>>61907715>The Death Lotus Tong itself is often viewed as the partner to the Divine Wind Convent, where the Convent practises health and cultivation, the Tong is the Temple's assassination cell, slaying singular threats to the greater cult, as well as acting as killers for hire, shielding themselves through a web of extortion and political favour.>One of the less dogmatic talons of the Storm Dragon Temple, the Tong does hold a fevered reverence for the Rose and the Patriarch, offering their honoured dead, both assassins and slain, to her gestating form.
Are we done rolling? Shall I conjure the summary post?
>>61898942>>61899122>>61899557>>61900279>>61900333>>61900435Forge World Style>Orthodox:Patterned after Mars with few deviations>Specializes in Servitors/Bionics of Esoteric Design>Faith in the Omnissiah above all>Servitor fighting force with above average strength>>61900497>>61900691>>61900814>>61900899>>61901238>>61901449>>61901563>>61901587Skitarii Legion>Failed Princeps Candidates: These men once had the power of the God Machines within their reach. Having failed in their ambitions and shamefully survived, they swore themselves to the Skitarii legions in an attempt to erase their failure. Now they fight the Omnissiah's enemies under the shadow of their former peers.>Synaptic Echoes: The binary of the Skitarii becomes completely incomprehensible over time, developing into its own language of alphanumeric codes. The Maniples are unable to communicate with their Tech-Priests overseers, unless the Mechanicus break the code.>M36: Age of Apostasy: The Mechanicus refused to accept the bullshit of Goge Vandire and openly declared against the dictator ruining the Imperium.>Expedition - This Legion was raised as part of an expedition to find lost technologies, defend the tech-priests, and eliminate those who taint the Omnissiah's holy works.>Explorators: Established a entirely new Forge-World in the name of the Omnissiah.>Alpha: A Skitarii Alpha known throughout the Mechanicus and even the Imperium for being an incredible warrior. Even a few mighty Astartes recognized his abilities. He met his untimely demise not on the field of battle, but through a failure in his augmentations.>Allies: Astra Militarum (Hua Yuan and Praetorian regiments), Astra Telepathica, Titan Legio>Enemies: Tyranids and Daemons/Chaos
>>61909093These guys are pretty interesting, along with the Legion. Should we make a Knight House? Or just use the Planet Generator for the Forgeworld these guys come from?
>>61909093>>61902127>>61902213>>61902254>>61902375>>61902570>>61902649>>61902763>>61903009>>61903183Titan Legio>Majority of the Engines: Reaver Pattern>First and Lead Engine of the Legio: Mars-Alpha Warlord Titan, This Engine was at the forefront of a glorious crusade deep into uncharted regions, defeating countless foes and bringing an entire sector back into the light of the God-Emperor.>Datahive - Extremely rare and nigh-legendary, a datahive is a Forge World devoted entirely to the collection and analyzation of data. On those rare occasions when a Titan Legio is established upon a datahive, they are invariably equipped with immense and comprehensive databases on the foes of mankind from those long-dead tomes.>Crusades of the Fringe - Long and bloody, the crusades of the fringe consume billions of lives and trillions of tonnes of materiel. Founded to sustain a long and difficult crusade, this Legio has fought with honor and won much glory alongside the Imperium's greatest heroes.>Decimated - Defeat has dogged the Legio, exacting a terrible toll in engines and crews. It has been decimated, reduced to a shadow of its former self.>Lost in the Warp - For untold centuries, you were deemed lost to the warp, until suddenly you reappeared and joined battle without a moment's hesitation. >Champion Slain - A mighty warlord renowned and feared by the forces of the Imperium was finally brought down by your Legio.>Xenos Helm - A vile xenos race faced your Legio and was found wanting. Their might was broken against your strength, and their race shattered into oblivion.>[CONT]
>>61909305>>61903183>>61905590>>61906710>>61906763>>61907262Titan Legio>>Humiliating Defeat - The Legio set out to exterminate a truly pathetic force of the enemy but somehow, perhaps through the raw tenacity of their otherwise feeble enemy, lack of effort on the Legios part due to the fact that their enemy seemed more like a joke then an actual threat, or through sheer bad luck the Legio was forced to retreat, whether the measly forces of the enemy were wiped out by more competent imperial elements(read a squad of guardsmen(as in squad singular)) or the enemy escaped to become legends amongst their kind, the fact remains that this is a loss the Legio will haunt the Legio for as long as they walk and has turned them into a laughing stock amongst those who know of it(in as much as a Legio of god machines can be a laughing stock)>Divergent Pattern - The Legio is harboring divergent practices, like experimental machinery or unorthodox beliefs.>Allies: Skitarii, Astra Militarum (Hua Yuan and Praetorian Regiments), Explorator Fleet>Enemies: Chaos Space Marine Warlord>>Combat Doctirne: Advanced>Inexorable Advance - Move and fire, a moving bulwark of high firepower.>Adapt and destroy - Observe the enemy discover their strengths, learn their weaknesses and exploit them with impunity.>[FIN]
>>61909093>>61909305>>61909476Summary posts, thus far. >>61909254I don't want to muddle the waters too much, unless a Knight House is neccessary, it would give a greater body of recruits for the Skitarii. There was talk about the Praetorians and "Foriegners" being aligned with a Knight House that is holed up in a geostationary space station above Hua Yuan, basically poised to purge the place when the Hua Yuanese couldn't repel the Tyranids, or duel outside in the wastes, or simply use the place as a port for places in the eastern fringe. It would give Hua Yuan more support come the Cicatrix, and it would give us more things to have Mecha against the GSC Kaiju. But, I'm hesitant.
>>61909476What's our Forge World called?
>>61909873Something suitably Hong Kong, or maybe other.
>>61909929Actually, If this is going to be the orthodox sect sent in to maintain and "civilise" Hua Yuan, then something British maybe, in line with the Praetorians?Or even, we have the Titan Legio (and maybe Knight House) be a motley crew, to represent the whole International Anti-Kaiju organization you always see in amine and movies etc, with international Jaeger and Mech pilots, and the forge world itself is the Gurhka to the Praetorian's imperial British? We have can have the Skitarii be the Shepardic Orthodoxy faction down in Hua Yuan, because the Skitarii literally *shepard* herds of servitors into battle. The Titans and Knights can be the source of the Retrograde Militants, who are salty as fuck about their losses and would rather see the planet burn. This would be cool because they have a redemptive moment when the BioTitans rise
>>61910114>>61909570>>61909254If I remember correctly, there was a knight house already rolled up but not really fluffed beyond the fact that they exist. I think they were freeblades focusing on big guns. I can try and find the summary post for that if you guys want?
>>61909929I think the skitarii should be british colonial regiments.
>>61910843I agree mostly, but how do we reconcile that with AdMech culture and make them sufficiently different from the Praetorians?
>>61910508Please do.Have some music as paymenthttps://youtu.be/KMRjFbLcKHA
>>61911153What famous Chartered Companies existed in Hong Kong? Similar to the South Sea Company above.
>>61911153Oh fucking word?
>>61911387Is it not appropriate?
>>61911641No no, very, very, appropriate. So shall we work out the timeline or fluff first?
>>61911666>[Sure thing Satan. I chose the SSC because of the very Mercantile nature of the System/Subsector we've made. That and the masses of Sevitor Skitarii reminded me of the SSC.
>>61911130https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45557612/#45557612>House Ranulph >Imperial: Knight House>Support for the Hua Yuanese military complex/Siege Warfare>Alliance: Praetorian GovernshipWhat I rolled for these guys>Crusade>Age of Redemption>Other (Guard?)>Elective>Cognatic >Rigid>Brothers in Battle>The Big Guns Never Tire>A Baron, The hero led a glorious campaign against a rebel army, defeating the foe and bringing an entire sector back into the light of the Emperor>Tiny>Uninhabited >Airless >Distant>Strict>Siege>Knight Crusader>Knight Lancer>Code of Chivalry>Few But Proud>Imperial Guard (Praetorians)>The Tyranids
>>61911952How can we fluff these guys? Their homewolrd is likely a moon somewhere nearby. They prefer ranged combat to distract enemies wiles the Lancers perform flanks and formation breaking.They're hidebound in their procedures with their Elective successions (what a lovely combo) But they at least have loyalty and won't betray each other which reduces politics bullshit in their ranks.
>>61911689They also sound astoundingly corrupt, which would work with the criminal nature of Hua Yuan and the Hotung System (What's the Subsector?). >>61912194I wasn't too into the particulars of the knights, I was more focused on the Exterminators and the gangs. However I recall them actually losing their world to the Great Devourer, so when the Praetorians came a-knocking to reclaim the area (And I guess these AdMech guys too), they got swept up in the crusade and live around the gas giant now, maybe in a space station
>>61911689So, with that in mind, what are we looking at for names?
>>61912648>>61911153If they're like a chartered co.pany and are meant to be different from the Praetorians, we could totally have them be Ghurkas and Sepoys and the like. Not just an army operating in colonial regions, but actually colonial troops.Maybe have a distinction between officers and enlisted Skitarii?What if Mars used the establishment of the Titan legion as a justification for establishing direct control over the data hive?All the Magi and the many of the Principes Seniores are Martian, the Skitarii are local and this colonial army is keeping order in Hua Yuan?
>>61912194Why not make them Indian? Like Rajaputs? Could make them Indian dudes with an elective kingship and a proud warrior tradition who get drafted by the Martian Raj government established on the Forge World, which is something like Singapore or British Era Calcutta. It's got a massive data hub that's been there for thousands of years that Mars wants control over, so they use establishment of the Titan Legion as cover for a takeover of the upper levels of governance.>>61913871>>61914420The names would then break down based on where the person was from and what rank they were.High Magi and some of the Titans are British.The Knights are Rajaputs.Hua Yuan is Cantonese.The Skitarii are Gurkhas, Sherpas... maybe Zulu? A Zulu regiment? Did the British ever do that?Anyway, it let's us write in some tension. Maybe the recent defeats of the Titan legion have triggered a movement to kick the Martians off?Or maybe the Martians are becoming less rigid to allow the local forces to do stuff? And they could take the return of G-Man as an opportunity to save face while making major administrative changes?
>>61914918Indians also put cannons on top of Elephants. Elephant themed Knights?The Skitarii are Servitors, which aren't the most expressive for basing them off a culture.I like the FW changing things up since Bobby G woke up. Very corporate in trying to curry some favor, no matter how small.
>>61915059Elephant knights? That's legit.The servitor bit is fair, though I think it would be cool to have a few elite units of SAS cyber gurkhas. Servitors are just corporate drones, which works really nicely, too.I think it would be nice to have an indigenous culture on the forgeworld that the Martians unsuccessfully try to suppress. We could do something Indian, so a Hindu Dharmic Machine Cult?Irl Hinduism is really complicated with all sorts of regional and caste variation, but here we could play off the idea that this version of the Machine Cult is ambiguous about just how the Emperor relates to everything. They venerate the Emperor and the Omnissiah and some other stuff like a Brahma Vishnu Shiva deal, but keep the atman relationship unclear. Then there's also various deities which are divine machine spirits and magi and things like voltage. And the God of Voltage rides around on a vindicator and can incarnate in a vindicator sometimes and so vindicators made here are bedecked in ceremonial regalia having to do with the God of Voltage like how you treat a sacred cow in (some parts of) India.
>>61914420>>61914918>>61915059I think we need to watch ourselves with cultural overload. Yeah, the British empire stuff is cool, but Hua Yuan itself is still pretty tenuously Chinese, with the Chaos and Stealer cults often being Japanesw or Korean (a cheeky nudge to pan-asian relations). The goal for Hua Yuan is for it to feel like a legit GW world, not /tg/ reference fuck fest (despite GodzillaXJaegers kicking off this thread). I think focusing on the Anglo parts of the British thing works with the oppression angle, as opposed to having Indians and others who would relate too much to the Gardener's plight, and undermines the "Row Row, fight the power!" Cyberpunk attitudes of Hua Yuan.I might be talking out my ass, but how I would do it is this;>SSC Forge World and Skitarii, with Gurkha Rust Stalker and serivtor hordes>Some sort of English artillery thing for the Knight House?>Go into a different direction with the Titans, since they got decimated it's more of an army of Individuals, and that's where we get cheeky with Mecha references, Jet Jaguar Warhound, Gypsy Danger Reaver, MechaGodzilla Warlord, etcBasically keep things a little less, diverse, for lack of a less loaded term. Agree? Disagree?
>>61915747Yeah, I see what you're going for in terms of keeping Hua Yuan the focus of this, though I think an important part of the way the British controlled Hong Kong and Singapore is with Indian troops. To this day, there are Gurkhas in Singapore. So I think the added complexity would result in added authenticity, though I agree we can scale some of it back without losing too much, particularly since at the end of the day, the Mechanicum is the Mechanicum and while the Sepoys are happy serving the Raj, the gangers aren't. Equal parts Mechanicum and Britain get out. I just like complicating the colonial diad.
What exactly does a datahive do? Is every priest there a glorified librarian?
>>61915869Think about this in terms of a sweaty UK young adult in the 80s. They probably don't care about the specifics of that period of time, only that they used to rule the world, including Hong Kong. Hua Yuan already has a pretty high level of depth for a shitty /tg/ project, I don't want newcomers to get lost in yet more specifics. Another reason for keeping the Anglo knights is that it informed Exterminator tank and artillery warfare, as they tend to be more outwardly disciplined and crisp than the grizzled and gangish infantry.Personally I like the idea of bored Peltasts poking hordes of blood crazed Ghurka cyberslaves into action, stuffy British cannoneer knights pelting the enemy with fire, and a motley crew of Titans that has survived the ages. Maybe this would work better if we worked on the timeline first?
>>61916303I have no clue, this is the first I'm hearing of it
>>61919167Don't bump anon, partake in the conversationHow do we transform MechaGodzilla into a titan?
>>61919404Well it would be heresy to model a titan after a xenoform, but we might get away with a steel-coated biotitan skull as our cockpit.
>>61919635That would be kinda cool, considering the trophy taking of the Exterminators.What if the Retrograde Militants aren't all salty assholes or shell shock stricken veterans, but instead know the best thing for Hua Yuan is to blast it to rock?What if these AdMech political parties aren't really faction specific, which I think would help
I have been thinking about how to do King Ghidorah, but someone mentioned that the Aquila is a pretty good Ghidorah stand in, multiple heads, big wings, etc.I had a thought that maybe when the Biotitans spring from their slumber, that a ganger of astounding faith and perseverance rallies the gangs about him against the cultists, but is slain at some point. He, (and maybe an animal companion?), rises as a living saint, and either becomes the third head of the Aquiladorah and becomes a Kaiju himself, or he is mounted on a psychic projection of an Aquila with a third head of a lung dragon (harkening back to Ghidorah) or some gross Hua Yuan critter, like a Rat-dog or centipede or something, is the middle head. Thoughts?
>>61921521I'm more interested in Gigan personally. Do you have anything planned for him?
>>61919635Btw, how kosher is making new Titans, for Forge Worlds? Something Reaver/Warhound sized, or imperial knights.
>>61925188>>61921521A little far fetched. Maybe it could be an Exterminator deployed off world and is fighting Chaos. He's incredibly faithful and becomes an Living Saint and helps push back the Chaos forces on his mount.Putting this on Hua Yuan is a little out there.>The organization is structured into three halves: Maintenance, Training, and Fighting, with a secret fourth half of Construction, for a total of 200%, the tech-heresy of such claims being currently ignored by the Mechanicus, who should know better. >The Building arm is kept hush-hush, and operates under the guise of the Maintenance Arm due to similar needs in tools and resources. They commit borderline tech-heresy every day through assembling new titans, each of which are a unique machine in coding and construction. They actually must summon a functioning machine spirit from the main cogitators, and make it talk nicely to a human via neural interface ports. They don't build anything on the Imperator Titan scale, but they have made Warlords in the past, and are brought in whenever an Imperator or Emperor class needs serious repair. This isn't to say that the Mechanicus doesn't know the Adeptus Titanicus are making new titans, the Mechanicus are all for making more! The problem is that the methods used skirt the edge of tolerable doctrine (read: taking some design liberties), so the Mechanicus as a whole needs to look the other way.
>>61927081That's old fluff, though, taking the Mechanicum never does anything new approach, while they very clearly do. They're just really weird about it.Once Gorillaman returns, anything goes, too.
>>61927081Why do you think it's out there? Hua Yuan is extremely faithful. They had millenia of AdMech teachings; "Alium tech is bad, AI is bad, Aliums are bad" and a millennia more of Sisters of Battle and the church being stationed there. Even your must depraved triad shot caller is going to be a devout child of the Emperor, albeit perhaps more adherent to the local cult than the Imperial one. Its probably the reason that they as a society haven't fallen wholesale to Slaanesh. I can't see why a Ganger Living Saint is out of the question, or one raised on Hua Yuan at all. >>61922294Indeed, he's actually the reason I made this thread.>"The Great One" or Future Weapon Zeta, is a massive Demichaeron, a hunter killer bioforme. Unlike other cults, where they simply revere, feed, and protect their god the [INSERT SECT NAME HERE] actively experiment on theirs, seeking to improve upon the Patriarch's design. One day the Great One was accidentally awakened and its aggression and raw power allowed it to break free. It slew countless members of the sect and loyal Mechanicus agents, before bursting in to the deeper reaches of the forge systems and into a Core Dragon nest. It took hundreds of them before the Great One ceased his assault, radiation, the lake of slag, and the Core Dragon's ravagings finally stripping him of his limbs, and stunning it. >The full force of the [INSERT SECT NAME HERE] fell upon the nest to retrieve their god and do away with the evidence. Even half formed, the Great One was extremely dangerous, almost too dangerous. Even still, in their retrieval of its body, it had sustained massive injury, but fended off even greater harm. Above all, it was not truly dead, but suffering from massive organ failure and too rent to fight.
>>61927947>>61922294>Now the [INSERT SECT NAME HERE] rebuilds their greatest achievement, refitting it with cybernetic enhancements and gene therapy, working to create the perfect balance between agression and control. Thusly named Future Weapon Zeta, the god awaits to be unleashed upon the world again, more deadly than ever.Basically the thought being is that the Imperials, in the climax, are able to seize control of the Future Weapon and direct it against the Storm Dragon, so we get that sweet GodzillaxGigan action.But I wasnt sure about what to call his controlling sect, and the more I thought about what we established about the Hua Yuan AdMech the more I realized that a) I didn't know shit about the AdMech and b) we didn't establish a lot, and what we did, did not make a whole lot of sense.So I'm basically here to open up Hua Yuan again so I can help with internal consistency. My goals aside, what do you think of Gigan? He's one of my favorites as well, so I want to make him the best I can
>>61902859I like how your head works anon, but what's a toho?
>>61909093Hi guys, this thread couldn't have been timelier. I'm actually playing a Techpriest-in-Training in the new 40k RPG, Wrath & Glory, and I'll use this as the character's home forge world.It happens the in-game and out-of-game background of our campaign fits really well with what you guys laid out. For one thing, we're actually playing in Hong Kong, in a Warhammer Store after closing hours (a generous yet smart move by the local store manager, to maintain customer loyalty).Because of the way the new Wrath & Glory system works and the starting level (i.e. Tier) we're starting at, to make a Techpriest I actually had to use a Skitarius as the base Archetype (i.e. their class system, which is actually very flexible). So I'm effectively a Technophage who is still trying to earn his Servo-arm and full status as a Techpriest.Pic-related. It's a conversion, and the colour scheme is a bit of a visual gag...he's supposed to be wearing the Caterpillar yellow safety helmet and vest ubiquitous among Hong Kong construction workers.
>>61928163https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toho>>61928200You concede the point because you don't want to argue the point further or because you see where I'm coming from?I'd rather not introduce a shite idea into Hua Yuan because I brow beat someone out of talking me out of it. >>61928514Holy shit, are you Hong Konganon from the original threads?
>>61911297Oh, if you're looking for like a colonial era trading company that has had and continues to have huge economic and political influence in Hong Kong, it's probably Swire. In Cantonese, we call it the Taikoo company.It's a typical story. It started as a small British trading company, but during the colonial era, maybe the founders had or developed close personal relationships with the local colonial leadership and prospered greatly in Hong Kong. It then moved beyond trading to property, and Swire is probably known more for its many properties around Hong Kong.There's a whole region of middle-class real estate and office properties called Taikoo City. Lots of tech companies there, actually, lol.Pic related. This company is so prevalent, I grew up recognising that logo before I knew the company it represented. Because of its flag-like nature (I'm guessing it's their maritime flag to mark their ships or whatever) I thought that symbol was some sort of official government symbol.
>>61928593Sorry, I'm probably not the other Hong Konganon (god, I love that word, Imma use it from now on), but I know there's another one of us here. Because I saw pics of an insane FLGS that hires girls dressed as French Maids and it matches the description of one of ours.I've not been to that shop, but I'm not being judgmental, it's just the Warhammer Store is really convenient for me. I heard they had a good Infinity scene there, perhaps because that shop's got more of an anime theme or something...thus the French Maid costumes. I think.
>>61928649>>61928730Oh, nice. Can you help us with some language stuff, since I'm just an L2 mandofag. So I was trying to correct some of the shit translations but I was never taught how to swear. So I think things like 我把你给他妈的颜色看看吧 are correct, but I dunno.And I have no idea how to do the canto equivalent.
>>61928593>You concede the point because you don't want to argue the point further or because you see where I'm coming from?>I'd rather not introduce a shite idea into Hua Yuan because I brow beat someone out of talking me out of it. Yeah, I was out of line and misread what you posted. We don't get many Living Saints in /tg/ projects.
>>61929682You weren't out of line at all, discourse is healthy for this sort of stuff.But yeah, there's no Saints in a /tg/ project, and as much as I'd prefer to have a normal saint, Gathering Storm introduced Primaris, so I feel we don't really need to beat ourselves up for not having shit smeared grimdark Krieg/Cadia levels of psuedo realism
>>61931200If we're going to have a Living Saint they should be riding Gamera Friend to All Children.
>>61929527This question actually leads to an interesting Cantonese concept that might tie in with this Forge World, based on the lore you guys developed above, which is amazing.It's getting late here, but I so appreciate your learning Mandarin that I'm happy staying up to reciprocate that respect (by sharing our profanity, how ironic). Keep in mind Cantonese is like the Ebonics of Chinese; we got words that my Chinese input program doesn't even recognise and I had to paste from other sites (and I think some of them got them wrong because we use really obscure words in our slang).他媽的 - it's like what you said, and we do sometimes say just 3 words as an old school way of not actually cussing. A classic, used ironically.你老母 - "nay lo mo" is how we pronounce it, sorry I didn't add tones (I think we got 9 tones as opposed to Mandarin's 4). Just "your old lady/mum", so the that the target of this insult is left to fill in the blanks himself.仆街 - "pok guy" is something that doesn't translate well. It means to "trip on(to) the street". Comes from how we're a very pedestrian culture and if you trip, you're an idiot. It is like "epic fail".冚家鏟 - "hum ga tsan" is to "bury your family utterly". It's like fucking up so badly that not only are you fucked, but your entire clan is fucked with you, causing them to die and get buried...including their real estate. Like your family house had to be demolished and the land sold off to pay off debts.𨳒你老母 - "diu nay lo mo" fuck your mother. And this insult's final form is...𨳒你老母臭閪 - "diu nay lo mo tsao hai" fuck your mother (that) stinky cunt (of hers). Implying that many other men had already penetrated your mum, leaving their dirty loads in her, yet you'll still plow her despite the sloppy seconds just to add further insult.Now let me bring this back to topic in the next post.
>>61931410Lol. What is it in canto... gam xia? (谢谢)But how do you add those to a sentence? Like can I say 冚家鏟的狗 for "fucking dog" or "鸡巴"的男人 for fucking man?
>>61929527>>61931410There is 1 piece of Hong Kong slang that is actually very relevant to a Forge World:屈機 - "wut gay", which means "bend the machine". This deserves explanation.The origin of 屈機 is from Street Fighter II, as you guessed it was popular here. Refers to being exploited badly by an opponent, like "I lost so bad I got bent over the arcade machine and screwed with my pants on."But "bend the machine" has evolved to mean "manipulate the system", even beyond video games. After living under colonial rule, then Communist rule, we find ways to bend the rules without breaking them. Applies to all sorts of things.I'll give an example that's not particularly unique to Hong Kong, but should make sense: building a PC rig WITHOUT a legal copy of Windows. There's actually a bylaw where you can't sell a custom PC rig without a legit OS installed, because it's like selling an incomplete product, therefore fraudulent. Obviously, Microsoft lobbied for this to prevent Windows piracy.Rig builders here skirt that by saying, "We don't sell custom PC rigs. We sell PC components. However, we happen to pre-insert all the components in a PC case so...it's easy for customers to carry home or whatever. If the customers illegally download Windows, that's on them."The above ties in with the unofficial Building arm of the Forge World.>>61927081They're still an extension of the Maintenance branch. But to properly maintain components, they have to test them, by connecting them with other pieces as per in a STC.So...we're not building, we're just maintaining these Titan components in a way that just happens to form a fully-constructed God Machine. Who can blame us for adhering to a STC?This is how we can both have strict adherence to the teachings of the Omnissiah yet have these shady activities going on, IMHO.
>>61931325I think we can get away with just having a big ass tortoise. Maybe there's an aligator in the sewers situation, and some Noble kid lost his obscure turtle pet, and it grew to bullshit sizes in the underhive, and it comes to the aide of the people when the Tyranids disturb its nesting ground. Would work as a cool urban legend that comes true. I'm thinking some Asian 40k corruption of Gideon? Gixian the Snake? Xigin Goldteeth? Make him kind of a loner with a heart of gold? Idk, what are your ideas?
>>61931487Brother, you've got some good teachers. We do use 感谢 in this very formal sense that harkens back to antiquity. I think Koreans use that new.But it turns out, not to pile on...and seriously even kids that emigrated out of Hong Kong have problems with this, in this instance we use 唔該 (mm goy). Because it's a favour rather than a physical gift, holy crap even I find this complicated as I'm trying to explain.And the comboing our insults...it's really an artform and highly contextual, as it seems you already surmised. I believe Hungarians actually outdo us in the complexity of their cusses, but the master is Stephen Chow, actor and director of Shaolin Soccer.But seriously, learning Mandarin is good and the smart thing to do. I'm not sure I should taint your training with our guttural, gutter-born dialect.And imma talk to you tmw, after my next 40k RPG with this Forge World as my background. Gotta sleep.
>>61931566I love it. It works on so many levels and is a great way to get away with a lot of crazy shit."That so called titan is an abomination! It conforms to no known standard!""Chill madhii~ Chettan, you know we don't have licences to build titans, so how can, na? It's just a component testing rig, laa~."(That's my imitation of singlish with some south Indian thrown in there.)>>61931721Actually ... well... this will be quicker... 那是比较方便用普通话给你说明。我是在一个大学在太努力星星哭哭地学古代中国历史,不是那个假的"明清"古代废话,是真的古代商周年代太牛历史文化,所以我对方言有大的兴趣,特别是闽南话 >_<So yeah, gutter dialect is pretty dope.
>>61931410>>61931566So you could glean a lot of established lore just by brushing up on the thread, but let me give you some links if you're interested;This is the planet itself, https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_YuanThe most iconic regiment and others, https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan_ExterminatorsAnd the old threads if you want some down time reading. A lot from the threads didn't make it in, either out of laziness, lack of conformation, or lack of discussion, so there's things you get in there that you might not get off the page, http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=hua+yuan https://yuki.la/tg/45591559As far as the Techboyes go, this post is pretty good for catch up >>61899002. Hua Yuan is built on the grave of a massive colonial ship, maybe an Arc Mechanicus, no one is sure, well very few are. Within Hua Yuan there's those from there, and those from the greater Imperium. For those from there, there's those who are hardcore traditionalists who carry old knowledge from before the Crusade, and those who have evolved with the locals. From those off world, there's those that really don't give a shit and want to strip the world of resources, make sure everything is up to code and compliant, and otherwise keep the savages in line. Then there's those that think the hive is built on a foundation of tech heresy, building a hive on a sacred ship, and propagating tech heresy from knock off and unauthorized items. These guys want to tear down the hive, or at the very least strip it down. Some aren't necessarily malicious to the Gardeners, but want to divert further disaster, or want to make sure that the hive is clear of xenos and heresy for their own good
>>61921521Isn't that thing short a head? Where's Slaanesh?
>>61932791GW says Slaanesh isn't profitable so there's Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne. Other than that, what do you think of Good Guy Ghidorah?
Not to distract from the AdMech and Titan stuff, but this thread was made for HY Kaiju shit.What if Gamera was GhidorahDude's like, fighting dog that he lost, or a childhood pet, so when shit goes down and the underhive rises against the topside, Gamera lumbers out and GhidorahDude is just like "Puppy!" and that's how they fight together?
>>61931325Gamora is really neat.
>>61935578Who is Gamora?
>>61935681>>61935578Maybe he means Gomora?
>>61935706I made a typo.
>>61935727>>61935706>>61935451What do you think of this?
>>61935578Gamera is full of meat!
Are we sticking with the enhanced servitor armies for the Forge World like we rolled?Personally, I love the idea of a horde of amped-up, mindless crawling human flesh, herded along by Sydonian Dragoons, the "stiff upper lip" pilots treating their flocks with patronizing encouragement and thinly veiled contempt.
>>61936898I like it. I'm guessing it's 80% Servitors and a mix of other kinds?
>>61936922That sounds decent. They probably have miles of clone-vats churning out bodies day and night. And having tides of cheap cannon fodder to throw at their enemies probably encourages the arrogance and elitism of the ones that aren't mindless slaves. They probably see anyone outside the Adeptus Mechanicus as just particularly glitchy servitors.Questions: Where do they get the biomass for it all? Is there an Agri-world in the system?As for the rest of the mechanicus, what's the relationship between the Skitarii and the techpriests? If the Skitarii are the pith-helmet, lobsterback, "white man's burden" style soldiers, what are the techpriests?
>>61937275So the Princeps are made up of vat grown Not!Clones?The Techpriests are the aristocrats even further up the hierarchy. They have the connections, training and skills to get away with a lot of shit and keep their pensions/jobs. Think WW1, most of the British soldiery slept in ditches while Noble Born Officers slept in buildings.Despite this disparity, the proper non Servitor Skitarii still have the reassurance they're a cut above the Servitors.
>>61935451I mean, to be honest, that sounds really ridiculous. And not in any way Grimdark.
>So the Princeps are made up of vat grown Not!Clones?Princeps as in Titan pilots? Could be, although I meant more that the Forge World uses a shit ton of Combat Servitors as frontline infantry, supplemented by Dragoons.I haven't looked much at what we've got for Titans so far, but aren't we going for a Pacific Rim vibe for them?
>>61937533meant for >>61937350
I bet the Sicarian Infiltrators would really fit the rave-like atmosphere of Hua Yuanhttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Skitarii#Sicarian_Infiltrator>When hunting, they emit from their domed helmets a white noise that fills all sensory spectrum's with static, leaving their foe disorientated and helpless and incredibly irritated. Enemies fall, deafened and blinded by the scree of a brutally disruptive audiovisual assault; battles are often decided before even a single kill is confirmed. Infiltrator squads can bypass enemy defenses with ease, though not because of their stealth but rather their disruptive wavelengths they broadcast when on the move."Initiate subroutine Traphouse"
>>61937876>When the Sicarians start killing people in slowmo during a Ravehttps://youtu.be/IBvf7KUEZ78
>>61936898Sydonian Dragoons works with the Mecha thing, to a degree, so I'm thinking them and these guys? http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Secutarii_Hoplite>>61937275Hua Yuan has bodies in the trillions, criminals in the millions. Particularly ineffective Penal Regiments could be sent to there wholesale, Commisar and Militarum commanders and all, for servitor conversion. There needs to be an Agri World though, I never thought of that. Hua Yuan can barely feed itself, much less the rest of the system. Maybe this one is more Sepoy? Or this one could be an Imperial settled world?>>61937442Primaris marines and Living Saints aren't spectacularly grimdark. Death tolls in the thousands stemming from Kaiju battles are grimdark given certain definitions of grimdark when framed properly Granted I just wanted to accommodate the people that wanted Gamera. >>61937533Pacific Rim and other Good Guy Mecha. Since our Legio got fucked up, we can play Army of Individuals a little better, and sneak in references and flair without having a muddy concept.And these are failed Princeps, which given the population of the system is honestly enough to have a proper Skitarius legion.>>61937876Hard agree. They could use the servitor hordes to get in close, crowd surfing their way into the mosh pit. Metaphorically. Not literally. That would be fucking stupid.Maybe there's a dedicated moon, since Hotung IX, the gas giant everything important orbits, that's Tibetan and puts out Ghurka Infiltrators
>>61937982>Particularly ineffective Penal Regiments could be sent to there wholesalethat could feed into the friction between the Skitarii and the Exterminators, with the Skitarii seeing them as just uppity gangers waiting to overstep and be turned into servitors.I don't really know much about the Sepoy. Are there any particulars we can use without a generic copy/paste?I've pitched this idea for a few of these generation threads, but I love the idea of an agri-world that is just vats and vats of fungus/tofu, churning out cheap, bland nutrition. It's never caught on, but I might as well try.
>>61938119>I've pitched this idea for a few of these generation threads, but I love the idea of an agri-world that is just vats and vats of fungus/tofu, churning out cheap, bland nutrition. It's never caught on, but I might as well try.
>>61938119Well its cyberpunk, and kinda admech. If we have vatgrown servitor bodies, and the admech guys from the original ship might have some technology like that.Could export guys from the Hive I like the idea man, I think it fits here. I say welcome to Hua Yuan
>>61938189>>61938254Cool.I was thinking that like three-quarters of the entire planet is devoted to growing and processing a few varieties of fungus, from wide, shallow skimming ponds to scalding chemical treatment tanks to fermentation chambers, all with tangles of tubes and piping sending different mixes and slurries to different tanks and vats.The average worker tends the vats with long skimming poles, although some have to don waders and go waist-deep in the pools, trusting the old, worn gear to protect them from the more corrosive fluids.Overseers and technicians manage the tank controls and monitor the chemical levels. There's a disaster every so often where a pipe is routed to the wrong vat, the wrong chemicals combine and form a toxic/explosive combination. So it goes.
>>61938544The nobility have estates where grox and other livestock are raised, and they spend an extravagant amount importing food other than the standard slab of fungus. The commoners, on the other hand, often maintain small spice gardens in their living quarters and have learned an astonishing variety of methods for cooking and spicing their fungus.The nobles, of course, would not deign to try any of the "lower" foods
>>61938641Some time after the Tyranid invasion of Hua Yuan, the agri world fell prey to its own Genestealer infestation, remnants of the original Hua Yuan cult. They called upon the Exterminators for aid, who sent forces to wipe out the vermin before another Tyranid invasion could be set in motion.The Exterminators were triumphant in this effort, finding that the many-layered mazes of plumbing meshed well with their tactics. Their victory earned them the lasting respect of the agri-world.The Skitarii of Forge World [Whatever we decide to name it] prefer pitched warfare on an open field, and dislike the prospect of combat on the agri-world.
>>61938957Keep in mind that the Hua Yuan timeline is[30k] Colonists crash into Hua Yuan -> Are lost -> Warp storms cut them off -> [???] -> Warp storms clear -> Genestealers infiltrate -> [???] -> [40k] SoB missionary fleet makes recontact with Hua Yuan -> Warp Storms cut the system off again -> Hua Yuanese fight the Stealers -> Storms clear again -> Praetorians, Knight House Ranulph, Skitarii and Titans roll up with Explorator fleet, possibly answering Hua Yuan distress call -> Tyranids roll up in turn, answering the call of the Genestealer cult -> Together, the hive is saved, and the Genestealers are suppressed into hidingSo it depends when this agriworld is set up. I would say post great battle, which would give the Stealers some freedom of movement.
So what kind of relationship does this Forge World have with Hua Yuan? Does it bear down on the hive world and demand tribute, touting its Titans as the main defense against the Tyranids? Or maybe it did for a while before its humiliating defeat, and for the first time in a long time Hua Yuan has a powerful negotiating position?
>>61939237Okay, that makes sense. I wasn't sure about what the actual timeline is.
>>61939263Maybe the second? The FW still has considerable influence due to the fact Hua Yuan needs the FW to maintain itself. But HY has the manpower and skill in it's regiments that the Sectoral Guard Command need in addition to it's gas deposits for export. The relationship has been evened out in the last few centuries.
>>61939325Looks like we still need names for the Forge World and Agri World, and to figure out what the defeat was that brought the Forge World so low and lost so many of their Titans.I don't think we need very much fluff on the Agri World, it's enough just to know it's there
>>61937982>Spess TibetThis turns my dharma gears>penal legionsI figure the forge has plenty of vat grown, but that's another source I guess?>>61939263>>61939325Could be that said humiliating defeat came shortly after repelling the nids, like final battles or whatever, but means they fight about who takes credit for the overall victory.>>61939435We could use badly anglicized Indian or Himalayan themes to get the feel of the Raj.Pratankutty or something.
>>61939263I would say they are mostly just callous and disinterested, amused by the internal politics of the Hua Yuanese AdMech, one half is divergent degenerates that haven't done anything far enough to purge, and foggy traditionalists that they laugh at because their traditions are different, despite being closer to the original AdMech than they are. They wouldn't have to threaten the Hive, since the Praetorians do that just fine. The only reason they have a regiment stationed nearby is because there's still technically a Xenos threat that the "PDF" (not giving the Exterminators stationed back at home credit) have managed to suppress and be aware of. One slip and them and the knights are setting that rock ablaze. They care that they get their materials and that the local sect shows their neck.The titans and the Secutarii are going to be the most agitated with Hua Yuan, having suffered massive losses fighting the Tyranids, and the Gardeners are going to be pretty vengeful and fearful, since they did more damage than good. >>61940475The Praetorians and Sisters of Battle take credit hard, SoB more so since they were trapped there longer. However there's no questioning that the Gardeners took the biggest losses and made the biggest sacrifices, and won the greatest victories. But few high up care what the dirty little criminal folk have to say. As for the forge world, stuffy Brit forge I would say, with a Space Tibet moon that specializes in pumping out assassin boyes. Granted, no reason we can't give it a SEA/Indian name, since nothing sounds more arrogant than an Indian name in an English accent. As for the Vat Grown/Penal thing, it solves Hua Yuan's population problem more than it does the legions recruitment problem. It also keeps the Penal Regiments together, because it creates something worse than their current conditions. Would the Gardeners even have Skitarii or anything of their own, or would it just be Tech Priests and Layengineers?
>>61940778>Would the Gardeners even have Skitarii or anything of their own, or would it just be Tech Priests and Layengineers?Skitarii generally only come from forge worlds and not their protectorates.
>>61941352So the Forge World is pretty much where it's at then
>>61938544Reminds me of the opening scene in the new blade runner, except even more crowded and depressing
Do we want to include some reference to the Chinese Opium Wars or is that too on-the-nose?Maybe the forge world deals some kind of tech-drug (like wireheading) to Hua Luan smugglers. It leads to some hostility between the two worlds as a whole.Or, since Hua Luan is like Hong Kong and Hong Kong was given to Britain after the first opium war, maybe Hua Luan was under the control of another power that the forge world was dealing drugs to, it came to violence, and Hua Luan went under the forge world's contracts.Or maybe I'm trying to shoehorn an idea in where it doesn't fit.
>>61944660Well, it's an interesting concept, but we kinda have a strenuous link to that already. The Hua Yuan Exterminators have a secret combat drug, well its known, but what it's made of and how it works is a tightly guarded secret. It's called Xenon, or Nid Dust, and it's made from roasted Tyranid adrenal sacs dissected and ground to a fine dust. There's other added ingredients of course, for longevity, for flavour, for additional effects, and most importantly to stop it from killing you. Snorting, smoking, or huffing it will allow one to actually see Tyranid life signatures. It works best on Synapse creatures, or bioformes linked to one. The visual effect has a good distance, and is largely undeterred by other visual obstructions. It can also send the user into a murderous rampage, targeted at the acquired nids. Down sides, its largely useless if you can see them, can be overwhelming if confronted with a massive swarm, is highly addictive, ruins the body and mind, and is generally heretical. The massive upside is that it allows you to detect Tyranids in hiding and Genestealer Hybrids, and sometimes those under psychic suggestion. It's the single reason Hua Yuan was able to persist for centuries against Genestealers, and the reason they were able to push them back and keep them down to the modern day. This has forced the GSC to adopt proxies and more sophisticated measures, but this has bought both sides time
>>61944931Since you're here, would you mind explaining what the Gardeners are? I've been seeing it mentioned a lot in this thread but I looked at the 1d4chan page for Hua Yuan an couldn't find it anywhere.
>>61945037Slang for the Hua Yuanese. Since Hua Yuan means flower garden
>>61945117Oh, okay.I made this sketch of what the forge world skitarii might look like. I think the pith helmet style gives it the feel we're looking for, although I'm not sure if I'm going too far with the style. What do you think?
Considering the Forge World specializes in servitors, do they have any unique or interesting servitor modifications that they export?I'd like to think that they support themselves by exporting specialized servitors used for non-war uses (Calligraphus, Cenobytes, Cherubim, etc.) but when it comes to fighting their own battles, they rely on just flooding the field with cheap, generic combat servitors.
Hi guys, Hong Konganon from before here, just got back from my 40k Wrath & Glory RPG session.>>61944660Regarding creating an Opium War scenario, just to share my perspective, I actually feel there's no good parallel to a drug like opium in 40k that people know about. Basically, you have to invent a McGuffin just to make up a piece of history with it.An alternative might be life-extending/rejuvenation drugs for the nobility. The rich & powerful really want to live forever. 2 real life parallels. Run Run Shaw, the film tycoon who bankrolled projects including Blade Runner, lived to 106. Asia's richest man, Li Kai Shing, is like 90 and still very sharp. He eats a bowl of some specific vegetable every day. Like they make an effort to live as long as possible.This life-extending/rejuve drug angle can explain how Hua Yuan got colonised in the 1st place. The common people would resent both the colonisers and the Hua Yuan nobility that sold them out...kinda like what really happened.>>61945261I absolutely love this and will actually convert something like this. I honestly had been planning a small conversion project combining a Skitarius Vanguard helm with Imperial Guard uniforms from some Chimera kits (so they look like the officer uniform) as some sort of Praetorian variant. The background of Hua Yuan actually fit this, as in your, design pretty optimally.Great stuff, guys.
>>61945261I don't know how much uniform variance there is in the AdMech. We may be able to do this a little more effectively with colour than design. I don't know if a Skitarii colourer exits online>>61945594They probably make a killing selling to Guilders and nobles. Music servitors, butler servitors, bodyguards, palanquins, "pets", entertainment.There's also a massive underground gladiator culture, the Iron Orchid regiment has its origins in that. They could make a pretty penny there too
>>61947111I think it's the opposite. Skitarii have a wide variety of uniforms, but red seems to be the most common constant> Skitarii from different forgeworlds don't always share the same look. Some prefer the classic "red-robe-with-hood" Martian style, while others wear Imperial Guard-like uniform, and some could be purely functionalist with no clothes beside armour - just name the style, and somewhere in the galaxy there is a forge world with similarity dressed Skitarii... One of the most popular styles the Skitarii employ is to wear fabulous fur coats, fang talismans and grizzly trophies, commonly associated with Death Worlders and Space Wolves; these are intended to terrify opponents. As if half-robot/zombie soldiers aren't terrifying enough.
>>61947965Interesting, what's the source for that?
>>61947010Any of this >>61932620 useful for you?
>>61948075That was from the page on 1d4chan.Lexicanum mentions:>Skitarii are often armed with similar equipment to the Imperial Guard, though this can vary massively based on which Magos, Mechanicus Organisation or Forge World has raised and equipped them. There is little standardisation or central command of Skitarii across the Mechanicus, as each individual regiment is the personal army of a particular Magos.
>>61948485Oh, that's much better, thanks. I'll update the sketch at some point.I just wish there was some way to include a mustache.
>>61945261>>61947965>>61948357>>61948485>>61948629A little close the Praetorian uniform, no? Maybe this Praetorian regiment has the gasmasks, considering that Hua Yuan is inhospitable outside the hive. Maybe the Skitarii are more mud smeared trench crawlers as opposed to stuffy Zulu Slayers?
>>61949295With Ghurka Infiltrators?
I think the nihilistic, vengeful Titan legion can be moved to the Secutarii. Even if the titans recieved crushing losses, the Secutarii would have incurred more. The Legio is small enough for us to extrapolate on the individual attitudes of the engines and their princeps. Are they vengeful and frustrated? Are they eager for redemption and want to protect Hua Yuan? Are they sorrowful and simply want to join their comrades in death? Are they mockingly fatalistic about the whole affair? Are they pragmatic and serve to reign in their more affected brethren?The Secutarii on the other hand could be viciously protective of their charges, and wish nothing more than to break the moon on half, despite the attitudes of princeps and engine.Granted since we're fluffing past notions so we can track out plot development, once the Titans get their redemption by killing the Biotitans, the Secutarii could have a change in attitude and even adopt some local traditions, like trophy taking.
Should we roll up the sisters of battle or tyranids?
>>61953357Honestly it was never really talked about, but I always assumed it would have been the Order of the Obsidian Mirror(?) which would have given the proto-Exterminators their start in tacticool proficiency, then once things calm down they set up a convent and fuck off. I like adding in canon or other homebrew stuff since I feel that it grounds the concept or setting and kinda gives us less work to do, which inevitably kills interest.
>>61953807Obsidian Mirror? Hell yeah.>>61952369I like where you're going with that. For Kaiju, I think they'll be pretty diverse. We could do a maniple as a Sentai team.
>>61949172damn, didn't even know they were a thing. I do still like the stuffy, arrogant 19th century angle though. Mud smeared trench crawlers is the Imperial Guard to a T
>>61954946Yeah, but on the other hand, these are the guys stationed in the system
>>61955620Specifically in Huan Yuan's system?
>>61955640Yeah dude >>61902682 >>61940778The Planetary Governer is a Praetorian officer, since the planet is still technically a warzone. Maybe just go all the way with the Ghurka shit for the Skitarii? I don't know what the best solution is, but I think letting the Praetorians be unique in their visual niche is a good call
>>61955756Wow, I totally missed that. I was trying to dig into a vibe that was already there.I've been set on the idea of hordes of servitors supplemented by Dragoons, but that can change if people want to.Or maybe we could draw on RAF pilots for dragoons, like Redwall did: courteous and cheerful until combat starts, then they lock down into stone-cold killers.Maybe this forge world allows their Skitarii to be largely autonomous, with actual feelings and personalities, but once they get into combat their emotional centers are shut down remotely and they become perfectly logical, methodical soldiers.
>>61954727Like power rangers? We're probably dealing with dozens if not "mere" hundreds of engines, so it's not out of the question. I'd prefer to keep some measure of tonal consistency though
>>61955620Well, the Skitarii could then be pic related.
>>61955961Yeah, even the biggest heresy Titan legions are no more than 300 engines, so we could easily be down to a handful of engines. The table seems to think 40k titan legions are about 50 engines on average, but I don't know where they're getting that.
>>61956070What if we took it in a different direction? The rest of the aligned forces should represent the "corrupting force of the west" or the strangling hold of the greater Imperium.Since both the Skitarii legions and the titans have fought long and hard against chaos, they could emulate the Grey Knights (Not as in context reasoning, but as an OOC design choice), or other Daemonhunters. Silver cybernetic knights, or grim absolvers bedecked in symbols of death and purity. Or take ques from a Heresy era traitor organization, their ancestors essentially blackshields. Or lean into the other direction and have something that represents the West, maybe America. NCR Skitarii, or keep in a similar time period as the Praetorians and have Americn Civil War Union/Confederate Skitarius, or go very American while keeping in touch with science and have hammy B-Movie SciFi Mad Scientists, which works with both the Datahive and kaiju slayer mecha-titans. Maybe go more cyberpunk or 80's? It's not something I've really thought of, but there's potential. Works with Hua Yuan and Mecha.Once we kinda break free from the UK constraints we have a lot of creative options.
>>61956452I like the first idea there. I could really get behind skitarii coated with truesilver putting the goth in cybergoth. Skull masks are a must, but also give them a flashy touch, like velvet. Silver holy symbols, too. Higher ups even use real leather as a status icon. Like silly vampire goths, but robots and we hopefully do it well.
>>61955954>Maybe this forge world allows their Skitarii to be largely autonomous, with actual feelings and personalities, but once they get into combat their emotional centers are shut down remotely and they become perfectly logical, methodical soldiersI like that idea, fits with the earlier idea of failed princeps candidates better. Besides, every mago's skitarii are different. These ones dont really need the standard skittles in their personal armies. The role of mass expendable controllable infantry the magos can control like an RTS is already filled by their hordes of combat servitors. What they need more of is independent troops that can make decisions & react in labrynthin tunnels and lower hive areas where a datalink can be tenuous at best.At lesst some could be 40k versions of shadowrun street samys. Heavily cybered up, but still recognizably human. Could also be useful foe taking care of "admech business" in Hu Yuan.
>>61956452>>61956549>>61956549I'm caught between High Gothic Silver Savants, and Atomic Living Labcoat Warriors
>>61956553Section 9?In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there are tachikomas?>>61956573See above. We could get away with a few different sects corresponding to different magi and these different vibes can definitely be purpose related, since we want Secutarii vs urban ops vs personal experiments.
>>61956708>>61956573>>61956553>>61956549>>61956452>>61956070For your consideration (Note: I'm a little hazy on AdMech naming conventions);>THE METAL MEN OF PHLOGISTAR-SEPTIMUS>Known for their varied and myriad eccentricities, the tech-priests of Phlogistar are a constant nuisance to the machine orthodoxy due to their insistence on testing the boundaries of legality, existing exclusively within loopholes and technicalities. Despite this, they are indispensable to the imperial war effort in their local sector due to their apparent Martian patriotism and disdain for any technology or people not of Mars or Phlogistar. Magi of the forge are either cackling madmen, pushing the limits offered to them and relishing in the results no matter how unstable. This lot is reigned in by the other magi, who are prim, proper, and dreadfully patronizing.>Magi from Phlogistar-Septimus are renowned for their ability to realign imperial weapons systems on the fly, making for far more versatile crusading forces when they are attached. The genetor halls of Phlogistar are a massive point of contention, the magi there adept at geneforging mutants and abhumans dedicated to singular tasks, such as psicine aquatic "humans" or modular servitors that can repair themselves with loose flesh and limbs. All these genewrought warriors are converted into servitors, ensuring compliance, and this only augments their value and versatility, at the risk irritating luddites and gene purists. Goaded forth by callous Skitarii and zealous Dragoons, these warriors are ravenous, but foremost expendable.>The other, perhaps more telling reason that the magi are largely left alone and respected, is that Phlogistar-Septimus is home to one of the few Kastelan forges remaining in the galaxy, the Datahives there home to banks upon banks of Kastelan datawafers. These attributes combined make for an indispensable forge world on the eastern fringe where supplies and war materiel are otherwise sparse.>[CONT]
>>61956873I've seen this before, but I forget which thing it was with. IA? Looks like you've added stuff. I'm liking it, keep going.
>>61956873And the Secutarii and Titan Legio, again, bad with Admech names;>ARGENT DREADWARDS OF LEGIO CLADES>Dire, dramatic, and dedicated, the Argent Dreadwards have defended the steps of their Titans against the forces of chaos for centuries, an order of stalwart defenders with traditions from before the Imperium. Under their protection, no God Engine has fallen by anything other than enemy titans or concentrated orbital bombardment, until of course their attachment to Legio Clades.>Their order has histories of the Heresy, and as such abhor Chaos and the Dark Mechanicum, their codes of purity and honour well documented. So dedicated are they to the death of the unclean and treacherous that they adorn themselves in truesilver and emboss their helms with skull visages, their armour with macabre imagery of the fleshless human form, seemingly paradoxical to Adeptus Mechanicus ideals about flesh and bone, and their frailty. >Since their attachment to Legio Clades, the Secutarii high command has become more in line with more conventional Astra Militarum officers and commissars to accommodate their Princep's extended exposure and smooth cooperation with the Guard. They do not eschew the severe, even fatalistic, and chivalrous traditions of the battlefield Dreadwards, but colour them with conventional military dress and decorum, silver and velour warriors led by brilliant platinum and sable leather commanders. >Their defeat and loses at Hua Yuan spurred on their fatalism, and fueled suspicion and spite for the perceived threat of Hua Yuan, a single but strong link that allows them to tolerate the native Magi and Skitarii of Phlogistar-Septimus.>[CONT]
>>61957274Legio Clades>The Clades Titans themselves are an eclectic legion, their battles with chaos whilst lost in warp transit and their subsequent extreme loses at Hua Yuan have whittled a Legio of factionalism and internal division into a semi-stable band of individuals. >Once a sweeping and mighty legion, loss of titans and a history of difficulty in recieving repairs and replenishment due to the fervour of their battles and distance from support has shrunk the legio down to its most capable and experienced princeps and engines. Those left are generally displeased, itching for a chance to prove their worth, die in battle and join their slain comrades, or see a new glory day. Countless biotitans and traitor engines fell at the legio's might, and now they struggle to find conflicts they can support. Little more than glorified guards for the Metal Men of Phlogistar-Septimus, they are constantly reminded of their past by the proximity of the moon Hua Yuan.
>>61956873Wacky 50's scientists>>61957274Melodramatic High-Imperial Cybergoths>>61957380Melodramatic Mecha and Jaegers
So no Ghurka Rust Stalkers?
>>61956708>>61939237If we're nailing down different sects, I'd like to elaborate on my dragoon idea. >The Adeptus Mechanicus Explorators had battled the Invasion fleet in the skies above Hua Luan. Their Skitarii Rangers, loaned to the Gardeners, fought bitter skirmishes in the labyrinthian hive city. But it was on the plains of Duanzao, their future home, that they met the chittering horde in open war.>Magos Sceapio recognized the need for an unconventional approach, and his unique solution would form the backbone of Duanzao's infantry for centuries to come. By his command, the clone-vats were set into action, working nonstop. His techpriests likewise labored in their tireless manner day and night. When the Mechanicus Ark touched down before the Tyranid armies, what poured out of her doors was a crawling tide of battle servitors that could match the foul creatures pound for pound.>Striding high above the writhing wave of flesh and metal were Skitarii, mounted on Dragoons and Ironstriders. While the servitors checked the swarms of lesser beasts, the nimble walkers picked out larger synapse creatures, destroying them with lance and lascannon to sow disarray in the enemy.>When the last chitinous form had been crushed, the Explorator fleet wandered no longer. This was ground they had fought for. This was land that would be theirs.Duanzao literally means "forge" in Chinese. I'm not great at naming shit either.
>>61956070>>61957440I mean, how would we turn Ghurkas into Skitarii?They're an auxiliary force of foreign soldiers known for being particularly effective in combat. That seems like a Death World or Feral World schtick. Making them Skitarii, particularly Ruststalkers takes all their personality away.
>>61957549Ghurkas would work better as Scions, IMO.
>>61957467Hua Yuan doesn't so much have open ground as much as it does "The Hive Where Everthing Is" and "Empty Shit" the biggest key to victory for Hua Yuan is that literally all the biomass available was inside the hive. Where they could get set on fire, blown up, and hunted. Larger bioformes weren't working, or would work occasionally, since there was simply no space for them. A carnifex brood would get hab blocks dropped on them, or get pelted by mortars from rooftops too far to collapse. If you want to have an Imperial Admech×Hua Yuanese AdMech team up, I would maybe have Dragoons hop from roof top to roof top alongside the early freerunning Exterminators, using Servitors flood the streets below. If we go with B movie 50's scientists, I don't know about a female magos. Do Secutarii have magi? I could see her there
>>61957561>>61957549Oh well. So is this what we're going to work with now? Mad Scientists, weird templar dudes, and movie mechs?
Are we not worried about reference saturation? Like, Hua Yuan is already dense with Chinese and Cyberpunk shit, then there's sisters, and now there's like six different kind of Skitarii
>>61957635I mean, I was thinking that the Forge World planet (possibly Duanzao, up for debate) has lots of open ground, which is why they had to switch up their tactics from fighting in the streets of Hua Yuan. The Explorator Fleet came in, fought the Invasion Fleet in space, sent forces to fight in Hua Yuan, and once they had cleared Hua Yuan they then had to drive the Tyranids off of the planet Duanzao nearby. That's where they had their big open battle. After they had killed all the Tyranids, they decided to set up shop on Duanzao.>Dragoons hop from roof top to roof top alongside the early freerunning Exterminators, using Servitors flood the streets belowthat is also cool as shit, and has replaced anything else I could have thought of.
>>61957751Honestly, I think we're starting to get into the straight-up silly territory. I think what made the Exterminators great is that there's clear, solid reasoning behind a lot of their aesthetic.I'm against melodrama for the sake of it, and I think Mad Scientists and Cybergoths and Mecha are gonna need a lot of work before they fit in.Hell, even Pacific Rim worked because it added a layer of realism to mecha-kaiju battles.
>>61957751I wouldn't worry about it. Look at how Hua Yuan got set up, fairly blatant concept that got filled up with enough neat and unique stuff that when you find a nugget of obvious reference it's a nice "Heh" moment, where you feel like you're reading an older GW codex or White Dwarf where they didn't give a fuck. The Secutarii are pretty unique, but fairly generic enough to fit into the setting fine and not dilute the dynamic. They're high Imperial. That's what we want. The wacky 50's scientist men is good for the big robots and wacky fishmen and vat clones and stuff. The Mecha and Jaegers really won't seem out of the ordinary honestly.And between here and a place where we can stop brainstorming, there will be enough ideas to give the stuff some conceptual weight. I'd argue that if you read a 1d4chan page for the Metal Men, you wouldn't really get the reference unless we dropped an obvious name. Also is Atomancers a better name? Has Atompunk+Necromancer (Reanimator) to gather.
>>61957751>>61957846We should be wary of the Kitchen Sink problem. Get three or four factions and get their lore set up airtight before rolling more.I've seen threads like this fall apart because halfway through fleshing out one group, they start rolling for three others.
>>61957823>>61957883This is very clearly just for the local AdMech. Local cult, which is probably going to bereft of Skitarii, Skitarii and main forge world, and Legio+SecutariiThe Titans and the Skitarii/Forgeworld is probably going to scan fairly normally. Unless we have fucking Voltron the titan legion is just going to have names and stuff that make you go "Oh hey, Pacific Rim.". The AdMech is already pretty Atompunk, so the Skitarii and Magi are going to be right at home. I can't see a situation in which we go overboard with that.I'm a little more concerned with the silver guys, simply because they *are* unique, not because they have too much going on
>>61957947Well, I've been pitching "servitors and walkers army" for forgeworld & skitarii for about half the thread, adding in the "skitarii have personality but shut off their emotions in combat" idea. That's really the only concept/group I'm fighting for.I'm glad that I was wrong about trying to shoehorn the Skitarii into British lobsterbacks. It gives them a lot more room to grow.
>>61958138That still works for Dr. Venture Skitarii, "Off you go little fellas, no not that way Specimen Alpha.342709-q. Goodness it's a lovely day to be Martian." That's meme hyperbole, mindIt also mirrors Titans and Secutarii. Which is...something accidental, I think. Neat
>>61958138What kind of walkers?
>>61961578Every admech model is so goofy, I love it.
>>61957883This just AdMech stuff so far. We're safe for right now >>61957823I don't think you really understand what I was going for. I mean read the Metal Men summary again. They don't look super on the nose, do they? A little unique in terms of composition, but otherwise I don't think they're out of place at all in the AdMech. It's all atompunk mad scientists anyway, that ours act like it is just a dash of flavour.Legio Clades is seriously fine I would say. We'd have titans named things like Consort Perilous, or Velox Pardus, or whatever. The princeps would reflect their source material, but still, Titans are already...*there*, you know? We don't have to do anything crazy for them.I'm a little more concerned about the Secutarii, since they look different than anything I've seen, and thus require a lot of work to "fit", but that's what these threads are for, no?We're talking three or four main units per legion, with already clearly defined tactics, attitudes, and kinda defined history With a little work, we can get something really good
>>61964051Also palette wise, the docs are probably going to have white robes, which works with the silver stuff of the Secutarii. Could have the titans silver too, or gave silver accents. So visual consistency
https://i.imgur.com/iYnrYtc.gifvThis file is too big to upload, but it's what I imagine when you describe the Secutarii.
>>61964407I was thinking more of a Vampire Knight Requiem aesthetic. With less black Incidentally, this is what I thought when I first saw the Metal Men
Just thinking about titans for a moment. I think Reavers are about the size of the biggest nid kaiju?I think there's a lot of room for "bent engines" being designed with the expectation that a nid beast will eventually charge and try to tackle them.I could see them making use of things like the dominator for its stable tripod.I'm also imagining a reaver sub pattern designed specifically for nid cc.Dual fists with inbuilt flamers and a carapace weapon with missiles designed to destroy chitin.You don't really need volcano cannons, after all.
>>61966079That we have models for? A Warhound is a large as them. However the lore likes to drone on about the size of some nid biotitans, so I don't know. I think for our purposes, Godzilla is going to be Warlord sized, and everything else is Reaver or Warhound sized.I like the fist and flamer idea, especially since it seems similar to the Jade Fist Sect, martial monks that adopted a similar weapon pattern for similar reasons.I don't know about messing with the actual engine, I don't know how much of that is allowed.
>>61966467Well, one idea is that the forge gets away with a lot under the excuse that they're not building titans, but rather "titan component testing rigs" ala >>61931566That would allow for some non standard patterns and gadgets, while a tripod dominator is just really rare.
>>61966659I don't agree with that. We already get away with a lot with the Genetor program and by having Skitarii retain their post induction personalities. We're given some latitude considering we own a Datahive with precious knowledge, like Kastelan datawafers. Being the local forge world in a pretty hot system is going to have a lot of eyes on it, and playing semantic games with the Titans is going to have the Secutarii dragging the Magi through the street before the AdMechQuisition canMoreover it diminishes the fatalistic nature of the Secutarii and the forlorn nature of the Titan Legio. Look at our inspiration, the Jaeger initiative was on its last legs, depleted of Jaegers, on a shoestring budget, facing massive criticism, and reduced to a single front. Our titans are just like this, battered, under supplied, stricken with loss, and their main protectorate either hates, fears, or mistrusts them, and the Militarum wants them there because they can nuke the hive and be done with it, and the AdMech wants them there as glorified guards. Its miserable. Having them tricked out and loaded with openly heretical loadouts isn't going to help anyone, politically or narratively. And think about it this way, most of the successful Jaegers were ancient and seemingly outmoded, but the skill of their pilots and the ruthless effectiveness of their armour and weaponry saw them relevant way past their due date. I think we should emulate that here, especially since that's your average titan anyway.
>>61967327>We already get away with a lot with the Genetor program and by having Skitarii retain their post induction personalities.The skitarii's arent an issue. There is no set pattern for skittles, every Mago's is different. They vary as much as the magos themselves do.Minor nitpick, but i agree w everything else in your post
I want to nail down names. I like how the Metal Men of [Planet name] evokes 50's scifi movies, but I don't think its really descriptive. Like technically all Skitarii are Metal Men of their planet.And I'm not sure how good Argent Dreadwards is. I just kinda threw it out there
Hey while we're on the subject of the admech, do they ever induct people not born on forge worlds into the cult?
>>61967327Ah, yeah, if we're going Pacific Rim with it, then definitely. But Pacific Rim is pretty different from old school Toho Robots, Sentai, Kamen Rider's giant robot, etc. Those are always tricked out and noble brightly.I take it we want EVA and Pacific Rim.I think we can get away with "custom" equipment as resurrection of old patterns by data archaeologists from old long sealed data vaults.I'm picturing a lot of emergency retrofitting on these titans and the new ones are a combination of lighter and easier to build stop gap engines and specifically chosen anti-nid engines or whatever drawn from obscure and ancient STC fragments.Idea being that we capture that uncertainty. Nobody is sure these things will work since nobody's built one in 10,000 years.
>>61967327This is good. We want them facing real, realistic problems as well as giant kaiju.
>>61966079How often do normal Titans face things that can engage them in close combat?Knights fight in melee all the time, but are Titan-vs-Titan slugfests a thing?
>>61968593Still nominating Duanzao as the name of the Forge World. It's just "forge" in Chinese.I tried "hammer", "anvil", "fire", and "smith", but "chuizi", "zhen", "huo", and "Gongjiang" didn't sound as cool.Although "Machine" is just "Ji", which could work.
>>61969046>I think we can get away with "custom" equipment as resurrection of old patterns by data archaeologists from old long sealed data vaults.>I'm picturing a lot of emergency retrofitting on these titans and the new ones are a combination of lighter and easier to build stop gap engines and specifically chosen anti-nid engines or whatever drawn from obscure and ancient STC fragments.>Idea being that we capture that uncertainty. Nobody is sure these things will work since nobody's built one in 10,000 years.I like where you're coming from
Should we make a new thread soon?
>>61972743Let's establish names before that. I'll make a new one when we hit autosage>>61971489Could have the Gardener name for it, who probably would have named all the stars and planets they could see. Then the settling AdMech would call it something else
Working on a drawing of the dragoons in action. I'd like to have some generic design for the servitors so I don't have to make them all unique, but it's gonna take a buttload to time regardless.
>>61973446You know what to do
>>61973902...make them all look like the Ultramarine Primarch?
>>61971489Duanzao sounds fine, just remember that that's Mandarin, not Cantonese, which are like French and Spanish.Don't use Ji alone, it sounds like you're talking about your dick.>>61970535Depends on the period, but I think it's more often than you'd expect since Eldar and Orks have titans. Eldar have the ability to make it to CC and Orks... don't fight any other way.Anecdotally, CC reavers seem to be pretty viable on the table top.
>>61974057Google Translate, you fail me yet again.
>>61973980Or do 50's movie monsters. But yeah, potato, potato
>>61974057>>61974074Oh, shit, duanzao is also a verb. To forge. The forge itself is called a ronglu. Now here's the fun bit: Ronglu comes out Junglou in Cantonese. At least in theory. We'll need a canto speaker to verify.Ooh, here's a fun one:Jingang/Gamgong. It's used to render the Tibetan/Sanskrit idea of the varja, which is daimond/thunderbolt/adamantiumBut it's also the name for King Kong. How's that work?
>>61973902>>61974365>from the horrorous depths of the black lagoon comes ROWBOAT GILLMAN
>>61974379Oooh, I like it. Hong Kong and King Kong.
>>61974379>>61974475Normally I like a little more corruption in my 40k word salad, but it seems that most of that is in Yuanese naming conventions. So Jingang. What is the Imperial/Mechanics name after that? It would have been unoccupied, so renaming it, or giving it an Imperial designation isn't out of the question.