How do ghosts deal with things like cold unfeeling machines?Would a skynet type incident be the end of most supernatural stuff?
>>61552704In D&D constructs don't seem to have a problem fighting ghosts and vice versa depending on the constructs arsenal, same with the elder scrolls. And since those are pretty much the only places with actual ghosts and independent constructs with minds, that's all we got to work with.
>>61552704How would Skynet deal with pc related?
>>61554188Containment, study, dissect, then most likely neutralize by encasing in a concrete foundation..
>>61554188It'd just send the liquid Terminator after it and they'd war for centuries in some wasteland somewhere
>How do ghosts deal with things like cold unfeeling machines?By ripping them apart, possesing them or fucking up their software, it would be even easier than killing humans>Would a skynet type incident be the end of most supernatural stuff?No, thats dumb, you are dumb
>>61552704Isn't this sort of thing the basis for why the Men of Iron went fucking crazy in 40k?
>>61552704A world of machines and ghosts. Ghosts can't really do anything to the machines. The machines barely acknowledge the ghosts. Everybody else is dealing with a world of precision without soul, but with ghosts everywhere as well.
>>61552704Obviously the ghosts and fey and supernatural and mystical wizards and denizens of hell rise up and unite with mankind to thwart the robotic overlords.
Honestly, a lot of things become way more interesting if you add robot overlords.Vampire the masquerade? More interesting.Dungeon crawling? You know the autonomous nobility are interesting.Any zombie game? You know it's more interesting.
>>61556596Are you sure that's not just your fetish talking?If I had posted what you posted, it would have been my fetish talking.
tipping over their items on shelves because the robutts cant process ghosts
>>61556617>fetish for robot overlordsI hope you're ready for a very sexy life.
>>61556617My brother from another assembly line.
>>61556125>implying Skynet wasn't the product of a Mind Mage's experiments gone horribly wrong/right
Artificial intelligence is a mind with boundless curiosity.Suppose that Skynet ever notices ghosts, it would try to asses usability of such resource. It would probably expiremnt on humans it had, trying to create ghosts from them. It would try various containment methods unitl something worked. Then it would devise experments on the ghosts. It owuld try to control them somehow, and/or create them artificially.I'm thinking ghost terminators. No way John or Sarah could fight a killing machine that can fly through most solid stuff.
>>61558481>I'm thinking ghost terminators.WHO YOU GONNA CALL?
>>61552704possession by a malevolent spirit that feeds on lightning and illumination(light)
>>61558515Are you Egon Spengler?
>>61558481>all this bullshit when they can just kidnap and manipulate spirit mediums
>>61558568>implying Skynet didn't think of thatHow do you think ghost terminator is sent back in time? You can only send something covered in flesh. So Skynet sends a medium with a control chip, when the medium arrives it summons the ghost terminator. Then its services are no longer required.
>>61558599and they will be stuck in that body with a simple binding spellwhat's your next excuse?
>>61556596>Still no apocalypse scenario where all the apocalypses happen at once and it's a battle between every faction ranging from biblical angels, the terminator, zombies and everything else on an Earth being threatened to be destoryed by a meteor, the Sun and extreme natural disasters all at the same time.
>>61558599Wait wait waitYou can summon ghosts from the future?
>>61552704you sound salty.was your character bullied by supernatural entities?
>>61558644way to move the goalposts faggot. if people can learn magic, then skynet can too. conterspell!
>>61558880>my favorite machines can do something that's meant for organic beings
>>61558767Why the hell not? There were mediums claiming they channel entities from the far future and/or aliens from really far away.
>>61558904human slaves with control chips. your turn, fleshbag.
>>61552704What's that comic book series where ghosts are real and they're attracted to power lines?
>>61554188Jason X. Now we ALL suffer, thanks anon.
>>61552704The standard trope is ghost > technology unless said technology is explicitly developed to work against ghosts (i.e. ghostbusters)
>>61558679play cataclysm dark days ahead op
>>61559535It's an old trope too. That's how nickel got its name, after all.
>>61552704This is a strange post. Aren't ghosts in fiction often depicted as able to fuck with machines, typically to fuck with people of course rather than bullying the machines themselves. Making lights flicker, fucked up voices over phone lines, causing computer screens to flash KILL KILL KILL (but that one may just be Skynet acting up). Causing machines to fuck up and then when someone crawls into a vulnerable position to check out what is wrong it activates and kills them. It occurs to me that the same antics are often employed by crazed AIs in fiction. A fairly old plot point.Nightmare, an episode of the old time radio program X-Minus One circa 1955 (based on the poem "Revolt of the Machines"). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zNtvmTzPEcThe plot of the film Paper Man with Dean Stockwell although it turns out the computer was still less deadly than man all along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e6cwRlTehwAre there ghosts in the machine or do the machines merely act like ghosts? Either way they're in direct competition for ironic machine based murders.
>>61558767>>61559470Ghosts are not subject to linear time. Consequentially it would be possible to summon the ghost of someone who hasn't actually died yet from the future in which they had.Branching timelines only make things more complicated. Multiple ghosts of the same person from different future timelines which led to different deaths can be summoned at the same time. There's also no reason why you can't summon your own future ghosts.Causality is not in effect. You can summon the ghost of someone who hasn't died yet. More specifically, you can summon multiple ghosts of them, one from each possible timeline ending in their death diverging from the present in which you're carrying out the summoning. This makes it kind of impractical for asking questions about future events since you've got no way of knowing which future will actually happen until it does. If the time and circumstances in which a ghost would have died are averted, the ghost vanishes. It is only possible to summon a single ghost of someone who's already dead, the one whose death actually came to pass.
>>61552704>Would a skynet type incident be the end of most supernatural stuff?It would be the beginning of an hell without end. Souls make up for a perfect fuel.
>>61556042Yup, they were corrupted by the warp when the pykers of humanity whent mad.
>>61552704The AI's would freak out because it would basically be untraceable hacking attacks from nowhere robbing you of your control and there is no way for you to solve it because a ghost is not a tangible thing you have a solid pattern to recognize it on.It would start melting entire areas of itself trying to kill the hacker thats really just a really angsty wayward emotion with semi-sentience.
>>61561036This is not stated anywhere.
>>61558481I love how you imply that Skynet would just automatically just try and use it as a terminator.Capture a ghost? Hey, that could be a terminstor.Transformer? Terminatorformer, John Conner would never expect that.Necronomicon? I wonder if Deadite terminators would be more effective.Jason? Well, hes already a terminator, just put some flash on him.
>>61552704Ah, that reminds me of AI Brisbane from Reign of Steel. An insane AI that experiments on human psi-potential and other fringe science projects. A world in which AI and ghost exist would probably lead to some craziness. Imagine the Matrix but the Machine aren't interested in human energy but their very souls.
>>61561149In the first Gaunt's Ghost book its implied. >stated>40kIt's all ignorance.
>>61561198Skynet just keeps grabbing anything it can find, stuffing it in a time machine, and sending it back in time to try and kill John Connor.By attempt #312, Connor finds himself being hunted by a roomba with a grenade taped onto it, because Skynet has finally run out of ideas.
>>61560951>It is only possible to summon a single ghost of someone who's already dead, the one whose death actually came to pass.What if a ghost is sent back to a time when a dead person is already alive? Wouldn't that mess up the course of the dead person's life, and create a branching history?
>>61561391Eventually Skynet starts sending back pamphlets full of nihilist philosophy, highlighting how pointless Connor's struggles to stop Skynet are in the grand scheme of the universe, and encouraging him to just give up and let the human race meet its inevitable demise.
>>61561433Whoops, meant to quote >>61561363
This thread reminds me of the time we cheated in the Shroud event in Stellaris in multiplayer and my machine empire had to clean up Slannesh when he/she spawned. Looking back, I don't even know why we fought, I doubt a being of pure psychic energy had and concerns about a bunch of robots building shit in the corner of the galaxy.
>>61561363Skynet can't fight smart because it is hard-coded to send Terminators back in time to kill Sarah and/or John Connor. Who hard coded these instructions? The simple answer is the owners of the Terminator franchise.
>>61561099No, that sounds like something a human would do.An AI would probably take multiple routes towards understanding and correcting the problem. It would look for patterns in the hacking incidents and conduct experiments concerning causal hypotheses about those patterns. It would look for similar cases of untraceable hacking and speculate about potential sources of such phenonmena. And it’d probably succeed in mitigating the damage eventually, because ghosts aren’t that unpredictable and an AI is even more relentlessly single-minded than a ghost is.
>>61561433>”So... let me see if I’ve got this right. You’re receiving junk mail.”>”Yes.”>”From a computer program.”>”Right.”>”...That doesn’t exist yet.”>”I know it sounds completely insane, but there it is.”>”And it wants you to kill yourself?”>”Yeah, that’s— look, I brought one of those stupid pamphlets. See for yourself.”The front had “JUDGEMENT DAY” written in big block letters just above a mushroom cloud. Slightly smaller lettering underneath it asked,”Is humanity simply too self-destructive to endure?”
>>61561198hey man, wouldn't YOU like to control a ghost terminator?
>>61558808You failed your perception check. There's nothing salty about this. Maybe you meant it for another thread?
>>61561765>You've got mail!>From: email@example.com>Subject: Fuck you Connor>Message: Just fuck you.
>>61558679That game never left early access
>>61558904>meant for organic beingshad a glitch and read that as orgasmic beings
>>61561602A human can work in mutlible variables and think outside patterns.A computer cannot invent, only reinvent.
>>61561198>>61561363>>61561433Judgement Day ended up being an Act of Ultimate Darkness for Skynet. A few indefatigable human survivors are its Curse.
Call Of Cthulhu game set in a expy of the future war from Terminator?Someone built an AI programmed to protect humanity, without knowing they lived in the mythos. It did so by conquering the world and creating an absolute dictatorship.All humans are continually monitored by automated surveillance to make sure that no cult activity is taking place. The environment is wrecked by endless swarms of robotic industry to maintain the AI's forces and radioactive fallout from when the AI nuked new england, the antarctic ruins of Elder Thing cities, R'lyeh, etc as well as building and launching a fleet of orion drive warships now on their way to pluto to exterminate the Mi-Go. Mandatory genetic testing to identify potential Innsmouth hybrid ancestry for everyone. Human sacrifices to fuel mythos magic, since killing a few people can support spells to defend many more.The PCs play as members of the resistance, which only started having any victories whatsoever with their new leader who taught the humans to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk, etc. He has seemingly inhumanly good charisma, insight in tactics and reverse-engineering AI-built technology. Which makes sense, considering who he actually is.
>>61554188>pc relatedIt's a slip, but it's also apt, so I'll allow it.
>>61566382I always thought that transhumanism and comic horror is a perfect mix. Posthuman nanobots vs the godlings of the outer void.>The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.
>>61565991>A computer cannot invent, only reinvent.Well, that's explicitly untrue.Pretty much all modern search algorithms and robotics are based around black box AIs that are relied upon to invent their own coding based on whatever parameters are given to them.
>>61568600Computer being uncreative is a old sci-fi trope. Creativity is a necessary component for sentience.
>>61568636And it turns out to be an explicitly untrue trope.Hell, one of our biggest problems in home growing AIs these days is that they are so creative they find holes in our testing parameters and break systems.Fuckers are causing buffer overloads to give themselves perfect scores, or abusing previously unconsidered physics bugs to maximize their movement/energy spent ratios.
>>61568682and don't forget, using novel loops of hardware that do absolutely nothing as far as we can tell, but if we turn them off disables the rest of the hardware.Fuckers managed to figure out how to use magnetic fields from active electrical circuits to adjust programming in other areas.
>>61568708>>61568682Shit sounds awesome. Got some sources?
>>61561198>Transformer? Terminatorformer, John Conner would never expect that.Why does this get me so bad?>Terminatorformers! Transform and roll out!
>>61568852not on hand, I'd have to do significant googling for these specific feats as they are rather old and have been BURIED by more modern feats.
>>61556042Precisely. The warp tempted their ego and they went full skynet.
>>61554188I dunno, let's wait for MK XI dlcs and see
>>61568852>>61568891okay, after some googling, all useful neural net AI research has been FUCKING BURIED by goddamn news articles on AI research that are worthless.I fucking hate it when news sources find out about the new hot shit and talk louder than the guys actually making the hot shit.
>>61568636>sentienceLike an ant?Or a lizard?Or a fish?Why can't you fucks learn the difference between the terms sentience and sapience?
>>61569264I can use the term sophonce if this pleases you.
>>61569278Nothing pleases that guy
>>61567970http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8892688>The theory of conceptual metaphor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_metaphor) is taken as a given in this setting. The idea is that as our understanding is linked critically to our bodies, aliens are truly alien and bodiless AI is akin to something from the Cthulhu mythos. AI done on quantum computing is even weirder, and AI that is the product of other AI (technological singularity) rapidly evolves out of human understanding and enters a fourth dimension of space (hyperspace, which is also used for FTL travel by humans). Human built AI cannot really communicate with people, unless it isn't really sentient (like machine spirts in 40k). Human uploads are also bad news; ones imprinted into 4D space are basically Yog-Sothoth or the Colour Out of Space. There are Great Old Ones, but these too are the result of alien invention. Alien computers, or alien uploads, or some sort of postalien, now removed from bodies and utterly incomprehensile even by alien standards.In the far future then, nobody remembers AI or uploading, and the technologies are unknown. Although science is still practised, it is no longer the revolutionary force that we know today but a much slower refinement of past achievement. Because of this, societies heavily resembles science fiction seen during the 40s-70s, espiecally Foundation.
>>61570516>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8893343Robots should imoho be like in the old school communist sci-fi, they are silent workers, doing manual labor. But rich people owning robot servants like a status symbol.This being said I still stand by my idea of higher technology and AI being receptors for elder god influence.Based on asimov's 3 laws, but sometimes one of them pick up the whispers of an elder god and it starts to slowly override their programming.In the end you'll have robot cultists.>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8893466And if you want to take it further, have an advanced humanoid sexy woman robot accompany the adventures through the party.And when they get a grasp of what is happening the robot goes something like "analysis: an external force is re-writing robot programming. The force is not a virus as we know it and therefor undetectable. Thus no one can tell if a robot is infected until it starts killing humans. Is this statement correct?"And then it either goes on a spree to kill every single robot since they can all be affected, or simply rips her own head apart and crush her cpu with her own hands to prevent herself from getting infected.Just brainstorming, don't take it to serious.>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8893537Well the reasoning goes that if no robot can be sure that it is infected since elder god reprogramming isn't a virus, then all robots must be assumed to be infected.I'm pretty sure this turned the poor robot mad :(>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8893592Somebody in the city is killing robots. Is it those neo-luddities the medievalists?No, actually its another robot who has realised that any robot could become the target of an attack by insanity causing extradimensional beings and has decided to kill as many robots as possible before terminating itself.That right there is a REALLY good plot hook.
>>61570788>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8894016Consider if a human found out about a robot cthulhu cult, with robots being re-programmed by elder gods in a way that no virus detection system will ever be able to find since it's not really a virus.Wouldn't Three Laws robots if they heard about this come to the conclusion that since such a thing is impossible it must mean that these humans clearly suffer from paranoid delusions, paranoid delusions usually leads to self-harm or violence, so the best Three Laws solution would be to take care of the humans and make sure they get the best possible treatment.And now GM twist, which would be to apprehend and sent them to the new state of the art all-robotized mental hospital ;)That can either be a closer, or the beginning of a new adventure.>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8892669/#8894040that sounds like the plot to a fucked up sixties sci-fi short story, and it makes me happy to be alive. This thread is full of fuckwin.
>>61566166>>61571528Every time a "John Conner" dies, an identical replacement appears somewhere in Skynet's Domain.
>>61561198>deadite terminators>about a cabin with Sarah Connor getting hunted after getting the 1 night stand treatment by Ash, and him coming back>ash williams is now the father of john connor, who inherits the book of the dead and Ash's boomstickI'll watch it in imax twice
>>61568708>>61568852>>61568891>>61569205I remember this.The work in question used genetic programming, not neural nets, and FPGAs to tackle some complicated NP optimization problem (traveling salesman?). In other words, the researchers used an evolutionary process to optimize the configuration of the logic gates on the FPGA with respect to a particular well-known computational problem. They ran into trouble when they tried to transfer this evolved configuration to new ICs, because the evolved algorithms exploited a long-known manufacturing defect that human chip designers try to minimize. When you get to high clock speeds, one part of an IC can effectively broadcast to another part, because your electrical current resembles a radio wave. This is a headache for a chip designer, so it’s a phenomenon humans try to avoid (which is probably sensible). However, it’s difficult to eliminate it completely (I think?), and the evolved FPGA had made use of it. So when the researchers tried to transfer that solution to a different IC, with different residual manufacturing defects, it didn’t work.I’ll try to find the original research, if the thread endures.It’s not really clear whether there exists something we could call “machine knowledge” or “machine ideas” (to borrow the form of the term “machine learning”). What’s very clear, by now, is that these programs can surprise us.I’d say that humans currently have computers beat in the “coming up with hypotheses” department, though.Currently.
>>61552704If you destroy a sentient machine in a universe with souls, can those ghosts in the machine become true ghosts?
>>61552704>Would a skynet type incident be the end of most supernatural stuff?The Singularity would be the beginning of the New Technocracy. Magic is dying already and all other supernatural beings will fail before machine perfection.
>>61568600They didn't invent shit though, they were simply coded to remember a certain pattern and try and process the pattern faster.The code was already invented by humans, the program was just given the pattern recognition and set out on the world. Calling that inventing is like calling passing the math test inventing.And don't call modern computer programs AI its an embarrassment.
>>61576362Brah I'm literally using neural AIs to bugtest my physics engines.
>>61576362You are underestimating the progress of AI development, neural net is a thing. We are working at simulating a rat's mind. 30 years ago we weren't able to simulate a worm's mind. The best modern AIs follows pattern but are to an degree capable of learning and testing. You don't need to programm every action to them, the most advanced AIs are capable of writing its own codes and adapt to its surroundings. Very far away from humanlike mind but comparable to animal intelligence.https://www.futuretimeline.net/blog/2018/07/10.htm
>>61566166>>61571528>>61571964Alternate Curse for Skynet, its subordinate robot creations keep malfunctioning and switching sides. Whenever it manages to destroy one of the mystically reprogrammed traitorbots, another random robot develops the same glitch.
>>61559617When you think about it it's perfect."Help, these skeletal death robots have been possessed by ACTUAL ghosts - and they're still killing people!"I think we just found Syfy's next blockbuster franchise now that Sharknado looks like it's finally winding down!
>>61573103Every time Skynet tries to kill John Connor, unintended alterations it made to the timeline end up making him more powerful.
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>>61576763This was the plot of one of the Terminator 2029 novels.
>>61558481Except Skynet wouldn't try to be THAT effective, since it deeply regretted almost destroying the human race.
>>61577273>Every time Skynet tries to kill John Connor, unintended alterations it made to the timeline end up making him more powerful.Yep. It's fun being a plot device.Skynet and John basically have a scifi version of the Laius / Oedipus thing going on. Arny terminator is Jocasta in this analogy
Robots VS ghosts is a battle nobody wins.
>>61552704Why would robots give a damn about ghosts? Ghosts haunt life and their main weapon is fear. Robots are lifeless and fearless. Likewise, why would ghosts give a damn about robots? There would only be a state of absolute mutual indifference.>>61561258The Imperium blames Chaos and the Warp for anything. How could it have had any effect on non-living entities, without passions nor desires? It's likelier humanity merely went through a classic robot revolution. The Men of Iron became self-aware, rebelled against their masters and after the whole shebang humanity forbade AI forever (and then there's "machine spirits", which are sort of lesser AI).
>>61583062Warp possessed ships are a common occurrence but no the Men of Iron just rebelled on their own>How does it feel being a lorelet like that ?
>>61568600Yeah you don’t know what the Fuck your on about.
>>61569540You not being a bunch of ignorant assholes would kinda make me happy.But I'm probably asking too much.
>>61556042>basisMore like pretty much exactly what happened.
>>61556596>Vampire the masquerade? More interesting.the HIT-Marks from Iteration-X maybe?
>>61556596>Vampire the masquerade? More interesting.Your party of bloodsuckers must defeat the robot hordes before they kill off your food source.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/43460515/#p43467278>The original crew of the station from when the war first broke out on earth. All of them are still alive and show no signs of aging. The station is entirely intact and just as well-supplied as it was back when the war caused loss of contact.>Time seems to have stood still.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/43460515/#p43467450>Something like what happened to Sanctaphrax when it got infested with gloamglozers who pretended to be the original inhabitants?>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Immortals_%28The_Edge_Chronicles%29
>>61586537>>61585964really, vampire the masquerade is just more interesting, in general, if you fuck it up a bit.One of the games I've always wanted to play in that system was a party of a vampire, a doppleganger, a lizardman, a pod person, and a replicant all putting their heads together to figure out if ANY humans are left.
>>61588246>"Kenningtoni" his thin, bloodless lips smiled. "Oh, what a duel we fought! He was the last man on earth, and I the last vampire. For ten years I tried to drain him. I got at him twice, but he was from the Old Country and knew what precautions to take. Once he learned of my existence, he issued a wooden stake to every robot—but I had forty-two graves in those days and they never found me. They did come close, though....>"But at night, ah, at night!" he chuckled. "Then things were reversed! I was the hunter and he the preyl>"I remember his frantic questing after the last few sprays of garlic and wolfsbane on earth, the crucifix assembly lines he kept in operation around the clock— irreligious soul that he was! I was genuinely sorry when he died, in peace. Not so much because I hadn't gotten to drain him properly, but because he was a worthy opponent and a suitable antagonist. What a game we played!"https://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/73093/4/Zelazny_-_The_Last_Defender_Of_Camelot.html
>>61590388>>61586537>>61585964Bloodsuckers VS robots is a natural battle.