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>though if Spirit has similarly legendary dick moves before 5 dots I am unaware of them
Well, I suppose it would be best to demonstrate these. Let us say we are a Mastigos of the Mysterium who possesses Gnosis 3, Mind 4, Spirit 4, Resolve 5, Presence 4, Occult 5, Persuasion 5, membership in the Clavicularius legacy from Legacies: the Sublime, the rote for Create Fetish, as well as said legacy's rote for the Goetic Evocation spell, which uses Presence + Occult + Spirit. With a base dice pool of 4 + 5 + 4 + 1 = 14 for the spell, we may perform up to 14 rolls for the extended action casting of Goetic Evocation. Taking 30 minutes before each roll to invoke High Speech grants us a +2 dice bonus. 16 * 14 = 224 dice in total, for an average of 75 successes. This process shall take consume a grueling 21 hours, but its reward shall be sweet.
Assuming we have a Wisdom of 4, the base target number of successes would likewise be 4, granting us 71 successes to upgrade our casting of the spell. The default traits of this goetic demon would be: Rank 1, Power 2, Finesse 2, Resistance 2, Influence (Sin) 2, Numen (Materialize), and Numen (Possession). Let us spend 3 successes raising its Rank to 4, 10 successes raising its Power to 12, 10 successes raising its Finesse to 12, 9 successes raising its Resistance to 11, and 14 successes granting it the Blast, Camouflage, Heal, Hellform, Howl, Terrify, and Transmogrify Victim numina. With our 25 remaining successes, we shall extend the duration of the existence of this beast to 44 days.
Coming up next: Becoming the demon.