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    392 KB Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:19 No.5787450  
    Holy shit, are there really places like this in real life? It's like it's straight from some freaky fantasy region.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:22 No.5787464
    ITT, we're talking about never leaving mom's basement.
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:22 No.5787467
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:23 No.5787472
    The world is a wonderful, wonderful place. Until you get there.
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:28 No.5787492
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    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:28 No.5787496
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    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:33 No.5787518
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    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:33 No.5787520
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:35 No.5787525
    place name
    >> 40Kfag from /m/ !!t8iiyj3DIqR 09/09/09(Wed)08:36 No.5787534
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    The planet Earth is this big
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:37 No.5787535
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:37 No.5787537
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    i dunno I just googled 'banyan tree' because they're pretty fucked up

    here's a mangrove, they grow salt crystals on their leaves because they're that fucking hardcore
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:39 No.5787546
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:44 No.5787570
    We aren't even a little blue ball. Fuck, we aren't even a little blue dot.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:44 No.5787572
    this gif just goes on forever.
    and now i feel pointless.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:45 No.5787574
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    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:46 No.5787579
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:46 No.5787580
    reminds me of south american ruin's you see on documentrys
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:46 No.5787584
    There's some massive world circling canis majoris and they're all like "Damn, look at that tiny earth, the people there are all fucking jackasses with their tiny planet."
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:47 No.5787588
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:47 No.5787589
    Dance, monkeys, dance!
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:47 No.5787591
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:48 No.5787592

    Oh you...
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:48 No.5787593
    theyd probably kill us all without a second thought like, "due, there was only like 6billion of them anyway. thats barely even existing"
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:48 No.5787594

    Ruins of Ta Prohm, Ankor, Cambodia
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:49 No.5787599
    I just realized I probably watch too much Discover/Science/Travel channel as I recognize most of these places.
    >> ~Devil May Smile~ 09/09/09(Wed)08:50 No.5787603
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    "I heard them say we've reached Morrowind."
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:50 No.5787605


    go outside and look straight up

    even if it's cloudy

    okay you might not want to do this at noon because staring into the sun is bad

    maybe closer to like, four or five o'clock

    shitbrix and prosper
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:50 No.5787606
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:51 No.5787614
    this post is scary.
    the universe is dying, suns exploding and black holes eating everything all across everywhere, coming towards us.
    its just the uvniverse is so big we all just got to sit and wait and...... entertain ourselves with.... relationships and stats on paper.
    its all so insignificant.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:51 No.5787615
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    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:53 No.5787619
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    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)08:53 No.5787620

    cosmically, yes

    but you're enjoying yourself and other little EETY BEETY TEENY TINY LEETOL MAHNS are enjoying it too

    so keep it up
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:53 No.5787621

    I remember we were driving through South Dakota it was night and suddenly I realized how dark it was. It was the first time I had ever seen the night sky without the glow of a city ruining it. That is the kind of thing that makes me shit brix.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:55 No.5787630
    we need to make it so humankind has an impact on the cosmos.
    then we wont be insignificant.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:56 No.5787632
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    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:56 No.5787637
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:58 No.5787647

    Wow, I grew up in a tiny little town of barely 1,000 people. I can hardly imagine what that felt like.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)08:58 No.5787648
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)08:59 No.5787656
    No we need to exist with little impact on anything, seek our own happiness and furthering of art and our consciousness regardless of how insignificant, because just the fact that we exist, that our consciousness exists makes it significant.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:00 No.5787661

    agreed. lets make some Bracewell probes and go say hi/exterminate the neighbors.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:01 No.5787663
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    Good luck with that.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:01 No.5787666
    wow... nice man
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:03 No.5787675
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:04 No.5787681
    Back when I was still in the Navy, there were plenty of cloudless nights where I would go topside and simply look at the stars. Out at sea, weeks between landmasses, you could see everything in the night sky.

    The best nights were during the new moon. The ship would usually take the opportunity to run at 'darken ship', where we wouldn't even have the navigation lights on. No moon. No lights. Just the universe. You could see the whole width of the galaxy, stretching from horizon to horizon.

    Sometimes, I really miss the Navy. Even with all the douche-bags I worked for, there were times it was all worth while.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:04 No.5787684
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:05 No.5787694
    Wow those mountains are beautiful.
    Do you know where that is?
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)09:05 No.5787696

    Light pollution is fucking cocks. Ever since my neighbors installed these huge obnoxious lights on their property (because a car got broken into EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A MOTION ACTIVATED FLOODLIGHT) night hasn't fallen on my home. Since then, the church next door installed another such light on the back end of their property, and the other neighbors occasionally leave their lights on out back. There is no night time.

    I welcome power outages at night. (Well, ones short enough that the fridge doesn't start fermenting but you get the idea.) Everything becomes so serene all of a sudden, and everything looks so different. That, and I don't have to draw my curtains at night to darken the room. One time we had a power outage during a full moon in summer and I was like 'holy fucking shit this is awesome'. If you go about a mile or so out of town from here, excepting the horizons (where you can see city light blobs) you get a really pristine sky too.

    I just think it's fucked up how it's not dark at night anymore here, or how I can't walk outside in the evening without it looking like I live on an airstrip, or how sometimes I can't look up at night and see stars. It's clear, and there are literally all of five or six stars visible. Then I think, "Jesus Christ, we're wasting so much power on these goddamn lights that we've created artificial daytime, visible as a handful of orange sunrises on every horizon."
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:05 No.5787697
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:06 No.5787703
    i live in a small town too and just outside of town there is a hiking path and at the end there is this overlook of a vally that seems to go on forever nothing but green and lakes. i really wish i brought my camera
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:06 No.5787705
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:07 No.5787708
    Fuckin' a.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:08 No.5787716

    that is the planet Mars. it even says so in the file name....
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:09 No.5787720
    That's why I love living in a tiny village. Granted, there is fuck all to do here and there is a whopping total of one small corner shop for all your employment and consumer needs.. But when I look out of the window at three o'clock in the morning and see the full moon blazing through the clouds, it makes it all worthwhile.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:09 No.5787726

    Looks like southeast Asia, maybe Angkor Wat.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:09 No.5787730
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:10 No.5787735
    lived in toronto for a year after growing up in a small town in northern ontario. fucking disgusting orange night glow
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:10 No.5787736
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    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:10 No.5787738
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    I never said I'm only posting Earth places. It's just that we have very little in terms of extraplanar photography.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:11 No.5787742

    I think that is the moon.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:11 No.5787745
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    Manly tears. I shed them.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:13 No.5787755
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:14 No.5787758
    holy shit thats... amazing man, is that another arm of the galaxy?
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:14 No.5787765
    Indeed it is. But the video in the link is what you should be really looking at.
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)09:15 No.5787766
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    It makes me wonder if there wouldn't be some reward in investigating soft/diffuse light for street illumination.

    I mean, you don't run into this problem with smaller streetlamps. The problem is that you need more of them, and that gets expensive. If there were a way to use, say, several LEDs (which are usually really efficient and narrow-spectrum anyway) to broadcast small amounts of light in several directions instead of using a GIANT FUCKING 400 WATT HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM BULB to bathe everything within 50 feet in orange, you might be able to get enough visibility to clearly make out people/objects without having tiny suns lining every neighborhood.

    I mean yeah, we need nighttime street illumination. It's sure as hell not to cut down on crime, though, like a lot of people seem to think. No, it's so you can fucking see without needing your own lamp, and so drivers can see the road. Anything more than that is overkill.

    This is really OT though so LET'S POAST MOAR PICTARZ
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:15 No.5787768

    no, what you are see is the core of our galaxy. we are in the arm so we can only see it on edge.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:15 No.5787770
    I think that's us, looking from the edge of the galaxy towards the center.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:15 No.5787771
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    I agree ol' chap.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:16 No.5787774
    fuck, it looked like it was flickering, like it was constatly eploding and going out all at once.
    its also the first time the universe has looked deep, fuck.
    ......that doesnt seem a terrible idea.
    i dont think i could get hold of anything in the UK though.
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)09:16 No.5787782

    oh my god
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:17 No.5787787
    In Europe there are several anti-light polution campaigns I believe. I think they made it illegal to aim strong lights towards the sky at night. So street lamps and all stuff like that must aim downwards.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:18 No.5787800
    ahhhh ok.
    fuck that town looks pretty fucking depressing, then again its probably just the lighting. im sure on a nice day it wouldent look so grimdark
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:18 No.5787801
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    Well, people are the work of nature, too, don't you agree?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:19 No.5787805

    video related
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:20 No.5787808
    "I saw a mudcrab the other day. Horrible creatures."
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:20 No.5787811
    Where do you think the inspiration for the fantasy stuff comes from? Of course there are places like this.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:21 No.5787812
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    This is some of the craziest news I've read in the past few years.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:21 No.5787813
    no god here just the universe doing what its been doing since it started
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:21 No.5787815
    fuck, look at this planet. what makes i look like that?
    to me, it looks like tree roots. imagine, a hollow planet with the inside a thick forest. the inhabitants would have no idea of anything on the outside, living in their circular planet.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:23 No.5787828

    And if that blows your mind, think about this. That's only our own galaxy.

    This is what they got back when they pointed the Hubble Telescope at an apparently empty point in space for several months gathering light. Each one of those little disks is its own galaxy... far... far away.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:23 No.5787833
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    It's not a planet, it's the moon Europa. One of our primary targets if we ever go to colonize the solar system I believe.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:24 No.5787835
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    fuck forgot my pic
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:25 No.5787838
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:25 No.5787839
    i remeber reading some where that in like a couple billion years our galaxy will collide with the andromada galaxy, i really doubt any humans will be around to see that but it would be one hell of a thing to see
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)09:25 No.5787843

    Hell, better shrouds/reflectors would cut a lot of the crap. Unfortunately, HPS and metal halide bulbs only know how to run at one output level - holy fucking shit bright. No, really, you can't just dim them in response to the efficiency gain from changing how they broadcast light.

    Sweden, I've read, is big on skyglow control. And nobody in America gives a fuck about Sweden. I've been in places like Minnesota where there's, you know, actual goddamn wilderness and witnessed myself what a clear sky is like, and each time I see it I can't fathom how anyone could willingly deprive themselves of that. If there were practical ways - and I'm sure there are - to cut light pollution without reducing necessary nighttime illumination, we could get our stars back.

    We'd be pretty pissed, I'm sure, if we all blotted out the sun every day for no other reason than because we needed a little shade, and it's the same damn thing.
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:26 No.5787847
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:26 No.5787851
    im surprised the christian parents let that air.
    also at the end he says "its a great big universe, and its ours"
    really... im not so sure about that. i think the universe is a landlord.
    and we are a termite in his house.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:29 No.5787870
    I think that was meant more in a "we are a part of this amazing thing" way.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:29 No.5787871
    look at them all swirling around the centre.
    whats in the middle?
    did anyone complete spore and see? but no seriously, whats in the middle. biggest star? or biggest black hole?
    >> Tea 09/09/09(Wed)09:30 No.5787876
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:32 No.5787889
    I live out in the country right now, have all my life, and I cherish full moons. I haven't looked straight skyward in a while, but... goddamn, does a full moon have an impressive effect on the night.

    I'm eventually headed to a city though, and I'm going to miss that. Hadn't even thought of it until now, but damn.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:33 No.5787893

    While there are uncontacted tribes, the photograph's natives are actually of a contacted tribe that were made to play the part of one. It was initially suspected because using full-body paint in anything but ceremonial purposes is something very rare. There was a scandal last year; apparently it was done to draw attention to a dam they were trying to put up.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:35 No.5787908

    it's complicated. you see, the universe doesn't have a "center". it is expanding every second. space itself is getting bigger. like blowing up a balloon. we (and everything else) are like little dots on the outside of the balloon.

    now, galaxies are bound to each other by gravity into Galactic Clusters. this was caused by when the universe was cooling after the big bang it didn't cool evenly. some places were cooler than others. because of this some places had more matter than others. after a long time this matter condensed into gas clouds which after a long time condensed into stars.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:36 No.5787910
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:37 No.5787918

    It may not be anything so impressive. It could just be one big galaxy in the middle, with a few smaller galaxies orbiting around it and then a few more galaxies orbiting around that central cluster, and so on, and so on.

    Gravity is cumulative, after all.

    Also a galaxy doesn't have any less gravity then a black hole with the mass of an entire galaxy (unless you get close, of course).
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:37 No.5787919
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    >"its a great big universe, and its ours"


    NOT "OURS"...

    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:38 No.5787930
    Wait, how would a universe not have a centre?

    We take the point of the big bang and expand out from there. Since we're expanding out into what is presumably vacuum you don't encounter any resistance, and as such, the expansion will take the form of a sphere.

    Unless the Big Bang was some kind of shaped charge.

    Interesting. Very interesting.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:40 No.5787941
    ah yes, i remember now.
    and theres 2 possibilites, the universe snaps back like elastic and compounds.
    or it carries on and bursts.
    i personally think the elastic one sounds more likely, everythng compounds back to the size of an atom and then ~boom~ explodes back out again, and time starts back from the beginning.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:40 No.5787943
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:41 No.5787951
    Even if the universe isnt a sphere it would still have a center, you just take teh weighted average of the mass on an arbitraty cartisean (sp?) plain and it will give you the center.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:42 No.5787960
    You missed the part where theres a super-massive black hole in the center of every galaxy.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:43 No.5787969
    Common mistake:
    The big bang didn´t just expand into nothingness.
    The singularity that the big bang arose from was EVERYTHING in itself. And it already had no center, or boundaries.
    It´s not that a limited amount of... stuff began to expand into... somewhere, the whole existence itself began expanding and is still doing it today.
    I suck at explaining... You propably should look it up somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:44 No.5787971
    It bursts? What the hell is that one?
    I've heard of The Big Crunch (compacts) and Heat Death (carries on outwards). Not heard of it bursting. Explain please?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:44 No.5787973
    what makes you think that it needs to expand again?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:46 No.5787986
    to put another twist in "we are so tiny" thing: our universe, everything we can see with our telescopes, is about 13.7 billion years old. the human race is only about 200,000 years old. as far as the universe is concerned we are not even an eyeblink.

    also, if some theories are true then our universe is just one of an infinite number of universes. what exactly these universes are like or how they related to ours is hotly debated. I personally like M theory, also called Membrane theory, which postulates that there are 11 dimensions in our universe not the just the 4 we usually think of. and our universe vibrates in a sea of hyperspace with an infinite number of other universes that may have their own laws of physics. when the membranes of a universe crashes into the membrane of another universe it causes a big bang and a new universe springs into existence.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:46 No.5787987
    That doesn't really make a lot of sense.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:47 No.5787991

    The big burst is the idea that the universe reaches its point of critical mass and just keeps on expanding, to the point where existence literally explodes. I believe.

    I just know that the Big Crunch and the burst are both technically "good end," since they involve the chance that the same thing could happen again.

    Heat death is BAD END.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:48 No.5787997
    The burst one seems a bit weird, given the possiblity there might be an infite number of slightly smaller and slightly larger universes around ours.

    Heat Death of the Universe might be the bad end, but it has the coolest name by far.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:49 No.5788000
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    You are assuming an empty universe into which the matter and energy of the big bang expands.

    As far as we can tell that's not how it works. Best theory is that the entire universe existed at a single point before the big bang and therefore EVERY point in the universe is the center of the bang... because before the bang everything existed at the same point.

    That's about as well as I can explain it without quantum physics.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:49 No.5788001
    Like I said, I suck at explaining stuff like that.
    Most people seem to think that the big bang just brought matter and energy into our universe, but when I said everything, I really meant EVERYTHING. Space included.
    There is no "outside" of the universe.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:51 No.5788012
    >That's about as well as I can explain it without stuff I made up that seems to make sense, but who the fuck knows?
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)09:51 No.5788014

    You'll miss a lot more than your full moons.

    I'm not one of those Green faggots but the lack of... you know, plants, animals, open sky, things that aren't made of either concrete, people, or trash and billboards, it makes cities boring. It makes them depressing. Trash isn't fun to look at. Billboards are only occasionally fun to look at, and only for a short time. Most buildings are decidedly unfun to look at. In fact, modern industrial architecture can suck a cock. Make that two cocks. People, they're okay, but they're not enough to make that city an enjoyable place no matter how hard they try. I would send a big 'fuck you' to New York, but then I realized that they're neither Philadelphia nor Gary, and decided to abstain as they could in fact be much worse. It's not just the big cities, though, in fact it's the medium sized cities that are the worst. Just an endless expanse of strip malls and shit nobody cared about five minutes after it was built during a long forgotten 'boom'.

    Cities, as they were, were places where you tried to fit as much shit as possible into the tiniest area you could manage, so it's all in one place and you don't have to be there for very long because if you stay for too long, you'll want to hang yourself. You had the city center, where you work and shop and do all that stuff we pricks need to do, and then you left and went home, even if it's just close by. Now we have suburban sprawl with its (vacant) shopping centers and (ugly) housing developments and (useless) parking lots, which is the city planning equivalent of shitting on the floor because your toilet's clogged. You can see this transition in long lived medium-large cities like mine especially, where as you get further and further away from the old growth and into basically anything that was built since 1985, the environment becomes increasingly indistinguishable from vomit.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:52 No.5788018
    so, what you are saying is....
    the big bang didnt start somewhere in space (which is infinite in size) and start filling space.
    but before the big bang there was nothing, not even empty space, and when it blew there was suddenyl infinite space, and matter started to fill it.
    or is space not infinite?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:52 No.5788022
    the Big Rip theory has to do with Dark Energy. we don't know what Dark Energy is at all. it is just a codeword for something we can't explain. the problem is that the universe is not only expanding (we knew that) but it is expanding faster and faster. *something* we don't understand is accelerating the expansion of the universe. some scientists think this will result in a runaway effect where all structures in the universe, from the galaxy right down to atoms themselves, will eventually be broken and fly apart.

    I personally think it is unlikely this would happen.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:53 No.5788023
    Doesn't work that way, unfortunately. The universe is not three-dimensional. It has no borders to speak of (there is no "edge" of it). When we look at the universe, we see it as a sphere with us in the center, because what we "see" is light, and if all the universe began 18Bn years ago all we are seeing at the edge is light that started traveling 18Bn years ago. So the "sphere" we see is actually the inside of the single point at the time of the big bang.

    I don't think we even know the shape of the universe. There are some hard science fags on /tg/ which might shed more light on the topic.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:54 No.5788030
    I assume Big Rip = Big Burst. Thanks very much dude, makes sense to me now.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:55 No.5788032

    Big Burst: As far as we can tell, right now the universe is expanding and... against all logic... the expansion of the universe is SPEEDING UP.

    At some point the speed at which the universe expands approaches infinity until everything in the universe is torn apart by the strain of the expanding space. Even subatomic particles break down into pure energy and the energy diffuses out into infinity forever.

    At least that's how I remember it being explained in astronomy class.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:56 No.5788045
    You both seem to be talking about the end stage of the Big Crunch theory where all matter is condensed into a single point.

    It's all well and good to say that then the Big Bang occurs and it expands from there, but WHAT does it expand into? Some kind of null-space, a void, what?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:56 No.5788049
    Cities are a fundamentally evil concept, being functions of human sloth, greed, pride, gluttony and lust. Arguably envy, as well.
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:59 No.5788067

    The easiest way to explain it is that the big bang didn't start at a single point in the universe, it started at EVERY point in the universe at once and so everywhere in existence is the center.

    Quantum physics is fucked up.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:59 No.5788068
    Honestly no one knows if space is finite or not. Some say its finite, but limitless, if that makes any sense. Like going in circles.
    And as far as I understand it, everything that ever existed was inside the singularity. That also includes time and space themselves. It´s hard to comprehend, but it seems there isn´t only nothing "outside" the big band / the universe, but the idea of outside doesn´t even make any sense in this context.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)09:59 No.5788069

    Is the Big Rip a BAD END scenario too, then? The only description of it I read was a loooooong time ago.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:00 No.5788074
    I thought it was supposed to be a torus?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:00 No.5788075
    >Herpderp. Large collections of people to reduce the need to travel for the purposes of trade, familial ties, security and the conveniences and comfort these things bring is EEEEEVIL.

    Can we keep the leftwing bullshit to a minimum, please? We were talking about awesome shit without the politicised demonisation of civilisation cropping up.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:01 No.5788079

    this is the cutting edge of theoretical physics.

    bottom line: we don't know.

    it could be hyperspace.

    if one theory is correct it is a dead universe older then we can imagine.

    ask again in 10-15 years.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:02 No.5788090
    How am I being leftist? I have to assume your from American right now, because you're associating what you might associate with leftwing political thought there with any similar idea or thought.

    Besides, essentially none of the stuff is true in the majority of cities today.
    >> Neil Arthur Hotep 09/09/09(Wed)10:03 No.5788097
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:03 No.5788099
    This universe is expanding into and "eating away" an old, dead, megahueg universe even by size standards there.

    ...that's a pretty FUCK YEAH thought, actually.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:03 No.5788101
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    Well, there is a good chance the universe is non-euclidean.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:04 No.5788108
    It´s hard to comprehend and somewhat stupid, but everything indicates, that there is no "outside" the universe. Space itself expands. Not into a void, or anywhere, it just does...
    Asking whats outside the universe is like asking "whats north of the north pole?" it doesn´t make sense.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:04 No.5788109
    Its all a bad end. I've yet to see one theory that says our universe is sustainable in its current, life sustaining (at least on our little marble) state. Of course this is all cosmic time, like billions of years, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Even if we do survive that long, I can't even begin to imagine the amount of advancement we will have by then. I doubt we'd have bodies anymore, physical space probably wouldn't even be an issue. Go over to the next universe and hang out there while this one flattens out into a entropic apocalypse.

    The best in our solar system I think. Many on the mars program would drop the program completely if getting to europa wasn't several times more difficult/expensive.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:04 No.5788110
    Cities are not the problem, it is inefficiently designed strip mall suburbs that do the damage
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    OK, ok.
    im just gonna run this idea through my head for a second.
    the big bang exploded from every point in the (growing-WHAT!?) universe at once when it went.
    inside it was everything, even time. so, what the hell is outside the universe, was the universe created when a point in time stopped in whatever the hell is outside?
    but was it outside before? is the universe a little growing marble in front of an amazed scientist?
    i could go on forever just making shit up, and now im very confused.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:05 No.5788121

    especially when you realize our universe will eventually become that old. after all the stars have burned out, after all the black holes have evaporated, after even atomic nuclei have broken up and our universe is a soup of cold electrons. the same thing could happen again and give birth to a new universe.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:07 No.5788134
    One of the problems would be that humans can only percieve 3 dimensions. We understand time. But beyond that? 5th? 6th? 10th?

    It's like trying to explain blue to someone with no eyes, or a visual cortex.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:07 No.5788137
    Just wait till you start considering the reality/irreality of time.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:08 No.5788141

    don't feel bad you are confused.

    no one understands this stuff. not even physicists.

    the guy who comes up with the answers to your questions is going to win the nobel prize.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:11 No.5788160
    This thrad brained my bork.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:11 No.5788163
    I think you are still making the mistake of thinking of an outside.
    I always visualise it that way:
    Take everything. All there is. Thats the universe. And don´t look at it from an imaginary outside, but look at it as if you are inside of it (what you undoubtely are). Now expand it.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:11 No.5788164
    Interestingly, when considering creatures that exist in 2 dimensions, it becomes possible they would discover more advanced mechanics before 3 dimensional geometry.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:14 No.5788186

    /tg/ - Theoretical Physics
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:15 No.5788190
    Want your mind blown? Heat death has been calculated.

    100 trillion years, no more stars.
    1x10^35 years, no protons
    By 1x10^100 years in the future, nothing is left. Almost literally. Only electrons.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:15 No.5788192
    ok, cool game idea.
    the universe is old and dying from heat death, there is a small planets worth of sentient beings alive whom all live on a ship going as fast as it can to the centre of the now dying universe with a device it took all of time to create.
    a new universe!
    only, who could the bad guys be? demon-syle vicious beings that want to plant their own universe in ours so they can have 2 for their immense population, who came in through black holes?
    there is so much shit you could d with sci-fi, but we all stick to boringly regular stuff like "aliens.... in SPACE!"
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:16 No.5788200
    The problem you get when basing a game off of things like this, 'hard science', is that internal consistance is more of a problem.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:17 No.5788206
    You're making statements akin to those put forth during the Cold War.

    The purpose was the cultural subversion and weakening of the west by Andropov and the KGB to make the west unwilling or unable to defend itself in a point of suicide. A kind of cultural suicide, if you will.

    The cultural subversion they initiated was injected through Soviet front organisations, which is one of the reasons that HUAC was so interested in uncovering Communists in the US. The message took a strong hold among the far-left in the US and as they spread into academia and other institutions the cultural subversion became self-perpetuating.

    Your argument that cities are evil bastions of sloth, greed and what the hell ever reeks of the arguments put forth with the intent of lowering the self-regard of our culture. Why defend or support something that's evil, after all? It's not even close to being accurate either. Cities evolve around hubs of commerce or resources. There's a good thread in the archives about worldbuilding that goes into realistic world and city building and the hows and whys of cities spring up. It's well worth reading.

    Finally, if you're curious/skeptical about the cultural subversion thing I was nattering about, I'd suggest reading some of the stuff written by Pacepa or Benzemov, both ex-KGB operatives with first-hand experience in these matters.

    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:19 No.5788219
    When they detonate the device it blows, and uses the beings and the ship as its starting atoms, expanding enough to start eating planets.

    can i ask, what are the dimensions? you all keep talking about humans being in 3, but there could be 8.
    but what are they all? what are the first 3 even?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:19 No.5788220
    >unwilling or unable to defend itself in a point of conflict

    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:20 No.5788226

    too space opera-y for my taste. I would go with another faction as the antagonists. they are opposed to trying to create a new universe and think post-humanity should focus on finding a new universe to migrate to. PCs can't be sure who they can trust as anyone could sabotage the machine.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:21 No.5788234
    I think it's pretty freaking insane that you're saying, "You're compromised by communism, and you don't even know it."

    I'm not being nation-specific, nor did these ideas originate with communist propoganda.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:21 No.5788235
    The "first" three are the 3 axes of space. up-down, forwards-backwards and left-right.
    The rest is LOLSCIENCEMAGIC.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:21 No.5788237
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    Like happened with Chaos Gods and Xiombarg, Moorcock did it first.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:23 No.5788244

    the only way we can express these other dimensions is through math. perhaps someday we might be able to have observational data but today we only have theories.
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    and thats depressing.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:27 No.5788273
    >im surprised the christian parents let that air.

    I don't think Christians have railed against OUTER SPESS since Amurika was made.
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    in that book, the chaos gods create a new universe?
    baaaaaaah, thats nowhere near as heroic as mortals doing it, who have no god.
    i want to play this now.

    >this thread
    >> 40Kfag from /m/ !!t8iiyj3DIqR 09/09/09(Wed)10:27 No.5788276
    whenever one of these discussions crop up, I wonder what I am still doing on this planet when there's a universe to conquer
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:28 No.5788282
    That's probably the saddest part. You are, and even if you are told, you'll reject the notion. Bezmenov has a great deal to say on that matter. But what would he know? He was only one of the people involved in the operations.

    Look at various civlisations and cultures around the world. The only ones that have issues with being strong and wealthy are western nations or nations that were in the western bloc.

    Prior to the late 1960s, these weren't issues to the west either. So what's the difference between all the other cultural groups and the post-1960s west? A shitload of cultural subversion that became self-perpetuating.

    You don't even need to take my word for this. You can read up on this yourself.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:28 No.5788286
    Holy shit is that Morrowind
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:29 No.5788289
    >there is so much shit you could do with sci-fi

    And usually the main human protagonists boil down to "monks, in space"
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:30 No.5788298
    I don't have an issue with being strong of wealthy. I have an issue with any residential group of people, anywhere, that numbers more than 20,000 or so.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:30 No.5788300
    For some reason, walking out into the living room, with it being a gloomy day, and having the TV spitting static after reading this thread was -really- creepy.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:31 No.5788308
    And why do you object to this?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:31 No.5788311
    i can imagine another one being "through", if you know what i mean.
    through this -and now i start making box shapes with my hands beause i cant think of the words- being? state? time?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:33 No.5788317

    >centre of the now dying universe

    Didn't we just spend like 5 posts explaining that this isn't how the universe works?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:33 No.5788320
    Its going to be such a weird snap back into my own tiny mind when i go to the doctors in half an hour to find out if i have a heart problem or throat cancer.
    i probably dont but everyone thinks the worst right?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:35 No.5788326
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    At the time period the books are set, there is little difference between man and gods. Even Elric wasn't sure if Lord Jagged was a human using some singularity-tech to impersonate Arioch or if he was truly a Chaos God on himself.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:36 No.5788333
    Not him, but personally, it's because of the degree of de-humanization that tends to occur in large cities. I'm not a fan of the way it removes a level of social responsibility, of care about the people you see on the street.

    Of course, I'm also fairly against the idea of big nations, too. Smaller countries do seem to be more sustainable, and better able to manage than giganormous ones like US, China and India.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:37 No.5788338
    i was going with this theory>>5788099
    hey, its just an idea for a cool game.
    sounds like a damn trippy book.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:41 No.5788358

    I was going to link you some stuff about string theory, M theory, P-Branes, but I realized that wouldn't help. Listen, this stuff is really complicated. No one truly understands it yet because all we have is theories and we don't know which theory is true. You need to learn math to try and understand it. By math I mean college level physics.

    I wish I could help explain it more but I am not a physicist.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:42 No.5788362
    I think it furthers the cause of evil, as I said before.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:44 No.5788381
    Would you mind elaborating on why you believe they further human greed, pride, lust and sloth?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:45 No.5788384
    It was one of the mosted fucked up things to happen to Moorcock's multiverse. Aside frome the "lol we are amoral, chaotic, godlike and we can jump from plane to plane, maybe WE are the Chaos Gods" he had to do a crossover with Behold the Man, with the character of Karl Goulgader.

    TL; DR: Jesus was a time traveller that returned to the end of time once he died.
    >> Captain Failmore Is Still Bored 09/09/09(Wed)10:46 No.5788393
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:46 No.5788396
    Well, it's kind of like this. I look at a city, see? Then I look at a place that's not a city.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:49 No.5788415
    This isn't a very strong argument though. Are you suggesting that there isn't as much driving force for greed, sloth, lust or pride in rural areas? If so, why? What variable makes this so?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:50 No.5788421
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:56 No.5788456
    Your hilarious reaction is just encouraging me to continue, Failmore.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:58 No.5788474
    Not necessarily. There are opportunities to be proud, lustful, greedy and slothful in rural areas too. If anything, it wouldn't be opportunity, per se, but it would be something closer to >>5788333's argument on dehumanisation/impersonality.

    In a rural area connections will generally be somewhat more personal due to the size of the community. I grew up in a small rural area, pretty much everybody knows everybody else and, usually, their business too. Due to this societical pressure to conform is higher because your anonymity factor is decreased.

    You're less likely to be a welfare bum, or sleep with half the town, or price gouge people or being a pompous asshole because you're more closely connected to the community and it will probably bite you in the ass in the form of a negative reputation or whatever.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)10:58 No.5788480
    Hopefully by then we've figured out how to use gravity wells to condense energy again.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:01 No.5788500
    i.... fuck.
    do we know what black holes are yet?
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:05 No.5788537
    Blackholes are little pieces of the universe dying in pain as it contorts in on itself.

    You know when someone hurts your feelings really bad and it feels like a tiny piece of you twisted and died? That was because it did. A blackhole just formed because of it and you just felt the resonance from it.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:07 No.5788553
    These are not actual house rooftops, since no one lives under these roofs.
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:14 No.5788629
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:17 No.5788656
    You can't not think of an outside though. If the universe is supposedly expanding then by definition there has to be an end. What the fuck would that even be like? I can't even fathom what the end of the universe would even be. But logically it has to be there. (we'll never reach it mind you, I'm just thinking here)
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:22 No.5788694
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    Okay, to help you guys imagine the expansion of the universe, I am presenting the Expanding Balloon Analogy.

    Take a marker to an unfilled balloon. Mark two small dots right beside each other on the balloon, then blow the balloon up and tie the end off.

    Looking back at the two marks you made, you will notice that they are further apart than when you started. The marks didn't move anywhere, just the surface they are on expanded.

    That's what's happening to space. Space is expanding kinda like the surface of a balloon.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:22 No.5788695
    You just have to stop trusting your intuition.
    Our brains evolved to be able to shout insults at the monkey in the next tree, not to comprehend physics on a cosmic level.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:23 No.5788699
    So what's outside the baloon?
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:24 No.5788703
    Our universe is a tiny atom in a much larger universe.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:24 No.5788708
    It's not an objective expansion, it's a relative one. If you were outside the Universe all of it would be containable in a single point. Not in an atom, or a molecule, or particle, but in a single point.

    A point has no volume, it takes up no space.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:26 No.5788722
    What I never got is this: When space itself expands then that should mean that the space INSIDE us is expanding as well and due to relativity we shouldn´t even notice it.
    We DO notice it, because light apparently gets "stretched", but shouldn´t the perceived distances between lets say 2 galaxies always stay the same?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:26 No.5788724
    This thread right here, this thread that became about space and multiple universe theories and the most mindshatteringly beautiful pictures of an infinite or near infinite universe.

    THIS is why I love you /tg/
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:27 No.5788733
    Then how does it expand?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:27 No.5788735
    True. The fact that we do consider physics of any kind is rather fascinating.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:28 No.5788743
    I like to think of it as us learning how to shout insults at the monkey in the next universe.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:28 No.5788745
    The "outside" of our multidimensional ballon has no causal relation to anything inside and therefore doesn´t exist from our point of view.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:30 No.5788762
    >but shouldn´t the perceived distances between lets say 2 galaxies always stay the same?

    Kinda depends. They'll either get farther apart from each other, or both galaxies will just stretch and become really diffuse.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:31 No.5788774
    Now that I think of it the galaxies should just get farther apart. The gravity of the galaxies themselves *should* serve to hold them together and not be diffused.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:32 No.5788780
    Relatively. I don't really understand the actual physics behind it, so I can't explain it very well.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:36 No.5788802
    But when space itself expands doesn´t that mean that all things that occupy space (like protons) expand at the same rate and therefore shouldn´t even notice any difference to before?
    Like when you have 3 small lines (each 1 cm long) on a big line, the first two are 5cm apart and the 2nd and 3rd are 10 cm apart.
    You stretch the big line and with it the small ones. In the end you have three 2cm long small lines that are 10 and 20 cm apart. From the view of the small lines nothing should have changed.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:37 No.5788813
    That's kinda like asking "What created god?"

    We don't know what causes space to expand, and we don't know if there's anything beyond the observable universe.

    BTW, our best estimates place the size of the universe between 78 and 180 billion lightyears, assuming a sphere.

    Also, as far as the age of the universe goes - we're in late spring going on into summer. Autumn'll see the slow death of all the stars in the universe. The tail end of autumn will only have black holes remaining. By the apex of winter the universe will consist of subatomic particles like electrons. All matter in the entire universe will have decayed, there would be nothing left. No stars, no rocks, just a subatomic soup with distances between particles measured in lightyears until effectively the universe becomes no different than nothing.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:38 No.5788821

    Up to a point yeah, but eventually the expansion will be accelerated to such a rate that the galaxies won't hold together anymore. Assuming the big rip happens anyway.

    Also the galaxies may be getting closer together. Entire galaxy clusters can be moving together under the force of gravity while the universe, on the whole, continues to fly further apart.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:39 No.5788829
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    I have no doubt that a means to travel faster than light will be invented. I also have no doubt that it will be so incomprehensible to the average human that it might as well just be a box with on and off buttons.

    Ship Captain: "Computer, how exactly does our HH-Drive work?"
    Ship's Computer: "It would take me 200 years for me to explain the basics of it and even then your language lacks 14 of the verb tenses needed to even begin."
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:40 No.5788838

    The first time I saw the night sky without ambient light from a nearby town ruining it, I cried.

    I was also like 16 or something. Living in a city sucks.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:41 No.5788843
    I'm not following.

    Why would a chunk of rock floating in bare space decay? There's no air to oxidise any metals, no wind or temperature fluctuations to cause erosion. Why force is acting on it to break it down?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:42 No.5788846
    I'm 19 and I still havent seen it. I want to though.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:42 No.5788850

    "What created god" is a perfectly fine question to ask if someone is saying "god created everything" or something similar.

    "why does it expand" is a perfectly fine question to ask when someone is saying "the universe is expanding".
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:42 No.5788854

    Actually on the smallest scale matter doesn't occupy space at all. The forces that hold electrons and protons together are a lot stronger then the "force" expanding the universe... for the moment at least.

    And now we are getting into atomic physics...
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:44 No.5788868
    Its called entropy (more precisely the big rip), as the universe expands faster and faster eventually this expansion is greater than the pull of atomic forces and the thing disintegrates into atoms.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:44 No.5788873
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:44 No.5788877

    At the smallest scale even protons and electrons are not 100% stable and undergo sub-atomic decay into smaller particles and radiation, just like uranium atoms do except really REALLY slowly.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:47 No.5788892
    Indeed. Interestingly enough when uranium decays it becomes lead. Think about that. All the lead on earth was once raw, radioactive Uranium.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:47 No.5788893

    It is a valid question. If I could answer that I'd be off to collect my Nobel Prize right about now.

    Scientists call the force that is expanding the universe "dark energy" which is basically astrophysicist speak for "lol wat?".
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:47 No.5788896
    >Actually on the smallest scale matter doesn't occupy space at all.

    Not exactly, while elementary particles technically lack spatial extension, you can't have an infinite number of Fermions in one place.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:48 No.5788899
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    To give you guys an idea of how long us humans might happen to exist in the universe, you need only look at this projection of the life of the universe and compare where we are now, to when the last star dies.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:49 No.5788909
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    Reading this thread. It reminds me that we don't really need fictional universes and fantastical worlds to play in.

    Our own planet contains enough beauty and horror and wonder for any number of games, before we even begin to leave the bounds of our tiny atmosphere.

    Thanks /tg/. I love you.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:49 No.5788915

    We'll have super science by then. We'll be able to keep stars going.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:49 No.5788916

    I think its more interesting to realize that all elements heavier then hydrogen were produced in the cores of long dead stars that have since exploded and the materials re-condensed into planets and shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:50 No.5788928

    I love this man :3


    Also buy this book if you love astronomy it is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:50 No.5788931
    A very great indeed to that good sir. Everything and everyone in the universe is nothing but star-dust.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:52 No.5788941
    Fuck you science
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:52 No.5788949
    >Thanks /tg/. I love you.

    Seriously. Where else on 4chan would this conversation have possibly occurred uninterrupted?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:52 No.5788951
    I like the though of being made out of dead stars.
    Has an epic cling to it...
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:55 No.5788968

    I have never seen a christian offended by the size of the universe. Can you elaborate why it would be offensive?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:58 No.5788994
    There are a strange group of people out there who believes that every Christian is some kind of evolution denying, science hating, durrtard.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:58 No.5788997

    Depends on how fundamentalist they are.

    If they believe that existence was created simply for humans, then the sheer size of the known universe is an argument against it. No point creating something millions of lightyears away that we'll most likely ever see.

    And then there are those people who claim that the world (and therefore the universe) is only 6-8,000 years old. In which case anything more than 6-8,000 light years away from us is an argument against it. Because we wouldn't be able to see it otherwise.

    You should look up some christian apologetics sites. The justifications they come up with against these arguments are fantastic.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)11:59 No.5789005

    Well, they managed to detect something that looks like dark matter, so dark energy might soon go from "lol wat" to "oh, of course".
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:00 No.5789021
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:01 No.5789029

    Well if you think about it, everything beyond the moon could be an elaborate delusion created by an all powerful being... then again what if all of reality is an illusion and... ok I'm going to stop now.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:02 No.5789042


    They're only a small minority, yeah, but dear fucking Christ are they vocal and annoying. I mean, even the Vatican has officially declared that religion should GTFO of science issues.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:04 No.5789067

    Everything *could* be, but to assume it is, is just silly.

    This is a line of argument I find extremely annoying. Just because you can't prove that something isn't, doesn't mean that it is likely, or even possible, that it *is*.

    For example, you can't prove I'm not an alien. For that matter, you can't prove that *you're* not an alien (depending on how much I shift the definition). It doesn't mean that it's intelligent or logical to assume that either of us are, or to claim that it's a possibility.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:05 No.5789076

    Exactly, especially as no Prawns are allowed on 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:07 No.5789104

    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:08 No.5789123
    Hasn't anyone done a statblock for the powered armour yet?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:14 No.5789182
    ill never get angry at anything insignificant. ever, ever again.
    i need a hard science RPG/video game.
    also, the argument between "this makes us absolutely insignificant, we dont even exist by the cosmoses standards" and "a being that is alive, here, and understands. is even more amazing than the universe anyway" is glorious.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:16 No.5789205
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    I live in BC, on the outskirts of Vancouver.

    There's still hella light pollution around here, but at night I can manage to see a lot of stars anyways. Many full constellations, and such.

    And my god. Jupiter. Venus.

    So fucking bright. [Picture related. I think it's Venus, taken from my window.]

    Also watching the ISS pass overhead is a neat experience :3
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:17 No.5789221
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:19 No.5789240
    Can't really do that as energy becomes more and more diffuse.
    Everything has to end eventually.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:20 No.5789250
    energy is never lost nor gained. it simply moves.
    one of the principles of science i was tought in school years ago!
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:22 No.5789274
    why the hell would gravity seas to keep a galaxy together and stop making stars?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:22 No.5789282
    I recently moved to the country from a small-ish town where I lived before. I could see the stars there, but now I can see them far better. One night, while out walking the dog, I saw a meteor shower for the first time in my life. I stood for ages just watching.

    It was awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:23 No.5789285
    And thanks to the expansion of the universe, it moves away from us more and more.

    I suppose if one were to create a gravitational field large enough to hold matter within a given amount of space, countering the effects of expansion, you could theoretically last a little bit longer.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:23 No.5789292
    Because gravity is a weak force, why the hell do you think you can jump?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:24 No.5789303
    Expansion overcomes gravity, simple as that.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:27 No.5789336

    you speak as if Europe is one country. silly american
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:28 No.5789348

    Because everything follows the principle of entropy - everything wants to achieve the lowest state of energy possible. As the universe expands, matter-energy (of which there is only a limited amount, and which acts to fill the available space) becomes more and more diffuse. Eventually everything will be smeared out in an extremely dilute vacuum.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:30 No.5789363

    That doesn't even matter. Entropy will overcome gravity, the weak force, the strong force, electromagnetism, just give it enough time.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:30 No.5789364
    Well... you will be.

    What did you think the point of the European Union was? Europe is going to become essentially the same kind of nation-state that the US is currently. A bunch of individual states under blanket laws set by the EU.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:31 No.5789376
    /tg/: Where threads will veer from FUCK YEAR EARTH IS AWESOME to FUCK YEAR PARTICLE PHYSICS AND THE EVENTUAL FATE OF THE UNIVERSE and reach autosage while the discussion is still in full force.

    Sometimes, this board is beyond awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:36 No.5789414
    its as if the entire universe is designed to destroy life.
    i am now sad
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:40 No.5789463

    Well, in the long-term, it's certainly not intended to support all this action that's currently going on.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:40 No.5789464
    MULTIVAC! How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:41 No.5789466
    Can I add my two cents?
    Time isn't really a dimension but rather a chain reaction driven by its own internal forces.
    Imagine a ping pong game where the ball travels at an indivisible rate between two positions each a product of the last. this is whats happening on a subsubatomic level on a massive scale. All previous positions are moot and it explains how space time travels faster in some points and slower in others.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:41 No.5789473

    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:45 No.5789508
    i really dont know what the hell you just said.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:46 No.5789511

    This is why I love you /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:48 No.5789531

    ah Asimov is there some existential issue you can't cure?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:49 No.5789542
    Well, there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:51 No.5789558
    Well basically it still is.
    It just has only two points to it.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)12:57 No.5789604

    It doesn't go away, though. It just moves away (in distance) from us.

    We'll have super science. We'll be able to keep it near us. Either that or go out and bring it back.

    *super science*. Or, possibly, Super SCIENCE!

    It's better than science and SCIENCE! put together.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:03 No.5789661

    But the further the universe expands, the more energy you'd need to keep things together - the very same energy that is getting more dilute by the second.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:04 No.5789672
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    its so much more interesting than "lolgod everything was made by god"
    i fucking NEED a hard science game.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:04 No.5789673

    Not if you made a net that can hold the energy inside a relatively small area.

    With super SCIENCE!
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:05 No.5789683

    Exactly, you'd be able to stave off destruction for a few thousand maybe even a million years but eventually everything will end.

    Fucking Saturn, that bitch.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:06 No.5789699

    Eh... the problem is that you need proper scientists to make a hard science game.

    Also the real universe, despite being really interesting, is not all that fun. There is a whole lot of empty nothing with a few hot spots here and there.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:08 No.5789720
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    all you need is some SCIENCE to get you around real fast!
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:09 No.5789734
    You guys need to get off this "Reality isn't fun" trope.

    It's fucking fun as hell.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:13 No.5789778
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    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:15 No.5789807

    Mweh, I don't like string theory. It's really elegant, mathematically... if you invent a whole bunch of additional dimensions.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:23 No.5789902
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    that and the second part just fucking blew my mind.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:28 No.5789963

    Relax, all that in the video are the additional dimension. The Standard Model doesn't go beyond Number 3, all that stuff from there to ten is required to make the math come out in string theory and other alternative theories. Needless to say they're all really really confusing.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:34 No.5790027
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    but.. i understood it all.
    and my head feels warped.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:38 No.5790080

    Well, you understood how to somewhat imagine the higher dimensions. That's good.
    The confusing part is incorporating them into quantum field equations and working through all the implications resulting from THAT.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:43 No.5790126
    i understand them, but... i dont think i ould actually put any of that to use, my brain kept blanking when i was just trying to even grip the concepts.
    its like only just grasping that 2 is a number and 3 is also a number, but people then teling you you have to work out the volume of a jar with them.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)13:56 No.5790250

    In defense of everybody who watched that video and felt like you afterwards, you need years of study to really get the concept. It's like telling someone who's never played a traditional game in his life that D20s exist and expecting him, from that single piece of information alone, to come up with min-maxed 3.5 Blackguard, and roleplay that char well.

    It's just not possible to do that without a whole bunch of further knowledge.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/09(Wed)14:37 No.5790596
    Not certain even what page this is on anymore, but I had to leave for about two hours here, and coming back to read the discussion is just...

    Chipping in my two cents with all the others in saying that this thread, in its entirety, is why I fucking love you, /tg/. Never change.

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