So /tg/, How does one present food in a cyberpunk world? Would it be like meals in boxes or freshly prepared plate of food? I would like opinions on how best to present food ranging from somewhat plausible and realistic to utter synthetic abominations. The only limitations would be saying no to "Meal in a Pill" type things.Here is my example> Citizens of the city often buy meal boxes from their local stores. These range from well done to utterly slipshod.> Fresh meat, vegetables and fruits are expensive due to the sheer logistical costs of keeping them fresh. (Electricity is expensive!)> Canned meat from actual animals are highly sought after by the regular citizens of the city. They taste better.> Synthetically grown meat or soy based fake meat is the standard "meat" products available for the citizens. > Many people buy standard meal ration packs simply because they do not have kitchens to store food.> Some brands of meal rations come with flameless ration heaters that are of inconsistent quality. Sometimes they wont work, sometimes they actually cause fires.> Beer is no longer made from fermented grain and flavored with hops but rather from chemicals. One of the chemicals is a rat poison.> Local restaurants make "fresh" food from canned or preserved ingredients. Fresh ingredients are often too expensive for mass consumption.> Lard is worth its weight in gold.
>>57405013The bigger fast-food chains still exist.Their fries are now made from processed rice starch, while the burgers are soy and/or aquacultured protein.Only the scuzzier backstreet independents actually use potato products, as mutations have left them something like a larger sundew/flytrap that are hazardous to farm in quantity. The plants do produce larger tubers, making "spud-bashing" (as fighting the plants to harvest them is referred to) profitable enough to allow a person to support themselves.
>>57406434I'm stealing this spud bashing thing. My players will be very confused when they have to go fight a secluded farm full of potatoes.
>>57406434>The bigger fast-food chains still exist.>Their fries are now made from processed rice starch, while the burgers are soy and/or aquacultured protein.Killer potato plants is a little cartoony for me but I'm totally behind this. A lot of cyberpunk seems to have the kind of protagonists that eat MREs and astronaut food for every meal, and that's fine if it's the vibe you're going for, but real people tend to prioritize taste over efficiency. Most average cyberpunk folks are going to be eating McDonald's level food day to day, except made from soy and lab-cultured beef. Expect a lot of public school lunch or hospital food level meals, too- with that thin veneer of a theme like "Italian" spaghetti and "Mexican" tacos and "Indian" curry and it's all just the same cultured beef/soy/filler mixture with a couple different artificial flavorings. Palatable, but depressing.Like Deckard eating his noodles while somebody say he Brade Runner, be sure to mix other cultures in there. Chinese and Japanese foods are the go-to but any culture that has a lot of street food is a good go, stuff like German currywurst or Indonesian satay. Ethiopian food is a good pick for group meals (true in real life, too, take your lady friend), especially because its natural meat-and-vegetable mix makes it super easy to add lots of filler without changing the taste much (think of how Taco Bell gets a way with a lot less actual beef content in its "beef" compared to hamburger joints.)Jamaican patties have gotten big in New York especially in the past few years and they're cyberpunk as all hell- compact, microwave-ready and plenty of filler.Also junk foods. For me, Pringles seem like the prototypical cyberpunk food- a more efficient, corporatized version of a classic food with a space-saving design, a palatable but slightly "off" taste that's pretty far removed from the original main ingredient, tasty but mainly through the use hefty use of artificial flavoring.
You get prize tickets by hitting the monster real good. You can exchange prize tickets for foods like pepperoni pizza and chicken nuggets. They're kinda bad though because the meat is made from monsters that you hit real good..
>>57409832I see, in the future GBP are legal tender.
>>57409832I wouldn't be too hasty. Manticore in curry sauce can be delicious.
>>57405013I'd work with pills containing nutrition and vitamins, or at least something very compact and without all the ambiance around having a family/friendy dinner. I also quite like the Force Awakens food portions, just little compact bricks you put water on that turns it into a little loaf of bread or biscuit. You could also have a look at the foodpackets the military or NASA uses
>>57405013I could see it be every much tiered.>homeless, extremely poor, etc. - whatever waste food they manage to scavenge from dumpsters, possibly some near-expiration date (i.e. god knows how many years old) preserved food items handed out in charity, stray animals & vermin offer extra source of protein when caught >proles - mass-produced crap with barely any nutrients (but plenty of empty calories) in it, probably will exist on diet that is mixture of vitamin pills, whatever happens to be cheapest at the nearest McFriedWay, and cheap microwavable convenience food>lower upper-class - tends to use tsp and other meat substitutes instead actual meat, plants used in food tend to be type that can easily adapt to growing in hydroponic or aeroponic conditions>middle upper-class - fairly similar to lower upper-class but cultivated meat is probably used instead of plant or microbe based substitutes >ultra rich - complete degeneracy, wanna eat panda testicles on a truffle bed? no problem, so long as you've got money to burn you'll be able to eat whatever (or whomever) you happen to wish to taste>common trends - most foods are either freeze-dried or irradiated&vacuum packaged, entomophagy has become far more common than it is these days, mass-produced micobes are among the most common sources of protein among most of the population, most of the food available if loaded to brim with artificial preservatives, color enchanters, and flavor agents
>>57405013In my cyberpunk settings, I have government entity, that enforce distribution of NutriUnit, that's basically processed food package containing everything that will body of adult human need to survive one day. If you have System Registration card, you are entitled for one package a day from licensed vendors or vending machine linked to MetroNet.Because low class often does not have SysReg (mostly street kids) there are few organizations that travel to lower city levels and acts like mission, dispensing food packages on community centers, communication hubs, etc.After the famine struck the City circa century ago, Metropolitan Government Body have strict self-sufficiency food program in which many corporation, for limited tax refunds, contribute.But NutriUnits are basically the bare basic for survival, so there are alternatives:>High CityThey have all the imported, or locally produced goods that is accessible for middle class and up. Greenhouse produce, protein substitutes from insects (not considered as trash tier food), limited access to meat from farms and tank grown fish.>Lower CityThings are worse here as majority of high quality food produced in Lower City is exported up, they are often left with everything that didn't pass quality control and didn't end in reclamation as fertilizer. Food reserves are often bumped with aforementioned NutriUnits, mass produced water based plants, mutated soy and potato derivate and local non-industrial production of meat and produce.It all boil down to machine processed food packs and, in Lower City, street vendors operating with everything they can get their hands on. Large part of organized crime is illegally producing licensed GMO for black market.
>>57409700>>57410024>You could also have a look at the foodpackets the military or NASA usesWorth pointing out that military field rations like MREs aren't actually that cost efficient as a day to day meal. Despite their lowest government bidder appearance and taste, they aren't designed to be "cheap soldier food." Soldiers on bases eat in mess halls.Field rations aren't *military* food, they're *field* food, designed to be eaten in combat or in a remote place. The primary drive behind their design is the ability to eat a whole meal out of the box without any support equipment- no refrigeration, no stoves, no microwaves, only the single-use flameless chemical heater that came in the box, hence "Meal, Ready to Eat."The second concern behind them is long shelf life, and cutting costs only comes after those requirements have been met. You can look up how much even generic, non-military MRE type rations cost, they really aren't cheap. And obviously all that goes even more for astronaut food; you can be guaranteed that the stuff in OP's pic costs more than its equivalent in McDonald's hamburgers.So, field ration or compact astronaut type meals are a great pick if you're stabbing people in the jungle in a South American country or if you're a Battlemech pilot on a long dropship journey or a scavenger girl on a desert planet where most food comes from offworld and only every so often, but regular Joe Schmoe VR hacker in Neo Jakarta or whatever is probably gonna be eating street food or in some megacorp fast food joint.Of course, it's all just on the sliding scale of realism to aesthetic. If you think everybody eating freeze dried food in little packets is grimy and cool then go for it, because it totally can be.Anyway, how has nobody posted this?:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFiDoOgRTpk
>>57409474>players told to go "kill some potatoes">accidentally murder some down's syndrome patients
>>57409853>tfw Mummy-Corp won't accept your GBP because your augments haven't been serviced.
>>57409856>>57409832Tell me friends, have you heard of dungeon meshi?
>>57409700>>57412375One other thing, here's a nice channel who reviews military field rations:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKrhfYf3bJMI bring that up both because it might be nice to get a vibe for that kind of stuff if you're looking into it, but also because he exhibits the kind of enthusiasm that I think is important to note no matter what direction you wanna go with a setting. Soldiers complaining about "look at the nasty-ass rations the government's making us eat" is a common trope, but that's because those are good down-home country boys who grew up on nice home cooked meals and are now being made to eat shitty military rations."Good food" is relative. Do you remember when you were in middle school and you just couldn't wait for Wednesday because that was burrito day, you were looking forward to one of those school cafeteria burritos instead of this nasty-ass Monday spaghetti. And yet if I served that shit to you now you'd look at me like I was crazy, but you didn't know better then.Just like average people today have strong opinions about their favorite fast food joint, people in a cyberpunk setting will have strong positive and negative emotions toward their shitty cyberpunk food. Imagine some corporate wage-slave being pissed off because he came home from 30 hours at work and the store was out of Makiguchi Brand vacuum-sealed meal packets and they only had Super-Yum Brand and he hates Super-Yum Brand they're fucking gross. Or there's a crowd because Wu Yi AgriGroup is re-introducing their freeze-dried imitation beef meals, everybody loves those, but there's only a limited amount available and everybody's trying to buy them up before they run out.Just something to think about.
>>57405013I remember making up a campaign setting where people didn't eat or drink, they just did different "Nutri drugs" which weren't even branded very friendly they were like literally powder you snorted to keep you alive. Actual food had been long forgotten due to all plant and animal life besides humans dying, everything was synthetic, the only people who actually ate anything was a cannibal cult of the poorest members of society who lived on the ground.
>>57405013Every home and apartment block is equipped with a sort of food synthesizer. Usually the size of a microwave, and pulling from a tank of 'organic matter', it can make a preset number of meals of protein, carbohydrates, fats, and vitamins in about 5 minutes. Lower class apartment blocks are stuck with synthesizers that can produce bricks of food that manage to taste like nothing, while upper class homes can produce entire banquets with a few button presses.These synthesizers are sold be big megacorps that have some branch specialized in home appliances, and sell their own formulas of 'organic matter' to fill their machines. The quality of this matter is what determines the quality of the food produced, and the machine's memory capacity determines what sort of complex dishes it can make.Basically if you're wageslave or below, you can basically look forward to getting three square meals of edible blocks.
So, looks like it's Soyberpunk?
So, have you guys heard of these indoor hydroponic farms that grow food with optimised LED light?
>>57415117Please that's implying wageslaves can afford LED lights. Or electricity.
>>57405013If your culture is paternalistic and wants you weak and emotional everything is made of soy.If your culture is godless and entirelly profit-based everyone eats cloned meat and lettuce.
>>57416090Unless it's an Asia dominant market. Then it's chicken and rice.
>>57415117Lettuce is almost as ridiculous as weed. You can eat from the same bud indefinately so long as you don't damage the stem and keep it in water.
>>57415117There's one tomato farm in Poland with its own power plant. Blasts sunlight-equivalent bulbs 24/7 to make plants yield 3 times a year. Above ground though, but the same principle can be applied
>>57416193Wasn't there an "underground city" project in Chicago?Making that shit into hydroponic farmland instead of one more super market would solve a shit ton of problems.Hell most super markets should be turned into factories and farms. Marketers need to get fucked and understand they can't sell shit no matter how many stores and ads they shove down our throats if people have no money to spend.
>>57413646I ate an MRE once. Shit was alright. It was meatballs in marinara sauce, heated up with a chemical heating packet that got pretty fucking hot, a strawberry smoothie drink mix, and a slice of marble pound cake on top of a few other things. Gave me the shits.
>>57416418Weird. Whenever I have MRE's i'm bunged up for days. Usually have em two nights before any test so i can be assured I won't have to shit during it.
>>57416473I think it was the sauce.
>>57416413That's an interesting idea. Abandoned metropolitan areas that have been compeltely turned over to being factory farms essentially
>>57412375Thiiisss is going in my notebook, thanks for the clarification!
>>57405013>Food in a Cyberpunk settingSure.Generally speaking I use the same kind of 'food' situation as deep-space (like if you lived/worked on a space station, asteroid mining place, or barren planet) as I do with a Cyberpunk setting in that it's a high-tech, high-population-density, low-to-no-farmland, maximum convenience prioritized situation. -Most people get their food from: vending machines, convenience stores, fast food chains, actual grocery stores, organized from most inexpensive and available to most expensive and least available. Everybody can depend on a vending machine cup of coffee, instant noodles, or a convenience store sandwich, but very few but the 'richest' can afford to buy real food from a real grocer. -Food doesn't taste 'bad', but if you've eaten 'real' food you'll immediately notice the difference. Most people simply don't have a point of context: they eat processed pre-made meals from day one to death and they're perfectly happy with it; nothing tastes explicitly bad or awful, and even the least appetizing food could be described as 'bland', it really isn't a problem- they're loaded with artificial flavors, preservatives, some people who've even eaten 'real' food still go back to processed out of nostalgia. -Food production is more associated with pharmaceuticals than agriculture: food is manufactured and processed in small, self-contained, factories and medical-esque facilities via cloning and manipulation of starches, proteins, and other very basic organic materials enriched with nutrients, vitamins, flavors, before being shaped and finished into easily preserved (even at room temperature) stackable ration 'shapes'. These ration shapes are then shipped and used as the raw material for fast food restaurants and convenience stores to constructs ready meals.
>>57417315There is, though, one exception to the 'artificial' rule and that's pest organisms, vermin, varmints, both plants, animals, and insects that are so unbearably persistent that even in the science fiction future they simply can't be exterminated. -Pigeons, insects, rats, gulls, dogs, cats, anoles, catfish, carp, just to name a few can all still be found surviving and rummaging around in futuristic landscapes and waterways, getting fat off of all the nutrient dense organic waste that manages to slip past the recycling facilities, and mutating and becoming if anything MORE fertile and adaptable from the constant hormone waste pumped into the untreated waste water. -Vermin occupy an 'interesting' blurred area between the haves and have nots: the poor wouldn't DREAM of eating them, but the rich often shell out livable wages to anyone willing to humor their need to eat something that's actually "lived in the wild". They obviously don't taste amazing, but bored, rich, degenerates, love eating weird things. I'd mention a note on 'cuisine' itself or how people prepare food, but, really, if you been to any current city you'll know what to expect: disingenuous 'globalized' fast food trying to pass off as 'ethnic' cuisine with 'safe' flavors to appeal to a wide varieties of users, way too much consumption of alcohol and sugary drinks despite water being FREE and completely safe to drink (people think it's filled with mind-tampering agents, but it's ironically the one thing the government DOESN'T tamper with), you CAN actually ironically still get fruit juices and REAL MILK but people still refuse to drink it.There ya go.
>>57414877Literally prison loafs.
>>57413646As a person who survived 4 weeks in Taiwan living off 711 food, FamilyMart lunch boxes and train station bento, most of the food its really good when you first eat them. Once you eaten a number of them the opinions starts to set in and preferences are made.>FamilyMart bento boxes tend to be more plentiful and cleaner looking. Hence the higher price>711 stuff tend to be cheaper and the chicken onigiri they sell has cream sauce and is shredded. FamilyMart's version is thicker strips with BBQ sauce.>FamilyMart loves to shove their own brand food but does not have much variety. >the box lunchs the large corner store sells 3 USD lunchboxes that are filling and hot. Its often rice, one large piece of cooked meat and two shitty sides.
>>57413646>Or there's a crowd because Wu Yi AgriGroup is re-introducing their freeze-dried imitation beef meals, everybody loves those, but there's only a limited amount available and everybody's trying to buy them up before they run out.Casual reminder that cyberpunk is dead because we are in a cyberpunk setting.
>>57418517>freeze-dried imitation beef mealsIt's ground pork and barbecue sauce
>>57413646I have no idea what I was doing because I've spent the last half hour watching this guy enjoy MREs.
>>57418833Steve is love, steve is life.His body and stomach died for your sins
>>57417599>disingenuous 'globalized' fast food trying to pass off as 'ethnic' cuisine with 'safe' flavors to appeal to a wide varieties of usersThis is something I tried to get across in an earlier post (>>57409700) but it really bears repeating, depressing lowest common denominator "white people" versions of ethnic foods should be a staple of cyberpunk cuisine.Robot prosthetics and Japanese capsule hotels are nice and all but nothing in the modern day really hits the cyberpunk aesthetic for me like Taco Bell does. Fifty years ago if you wanted a taco you were probably only going to get it from a stand run by a Mexican guy who learned to make tacos from his momma. Taking that and turning it into such a safe, watered down, mass-marketable corporate brand mentioned in the same breath as a dozen bland burger joints is so deliciously dystopian if you really think about it.If you want your setting to say "This world is shitty in the same way our world is shitty, except worse", which to me is what cyberpunk is all about, then take some nice likeable foreign cuisine that hasn't yet gotten the Taco Bell treatment in our world and distill it down into the most shallow, corporate thing you can make it. Nothing says "human culture has died and the corporations killed it" like stopping for a 5 Dollar Jerk Chicken™ at the local Big Momma's Jamaica Shack™ or grabbing some falafel at the Happy Sheikh™.I mentioned Ethiopian food in particular because it's both super nice and homey and cozy in the present day and also an up-an-coming ethnic cuisine in the United States that's just ripe to be watered down and exploited.>>57418517This guy gets it.>>57418833You're welcome.>>57416717Glad I could help, I love this kind of slice-of-life stuff in any setting but it's at its best in cyberpunk where the intense and bittersweet relatability actually makes it into a storytelling tool.
>>57405013Don't do what shadowrun did. Just don't...If you're going for the Orwellian food thing than make sure it actually makes sense in your setting. If the earth is still perfectly fine and most of the farm land hasn't been affected by anything negatively, then just have normal food. If your on an alien world everything is either being shipped in or caught locally. So, you could have some odd alien critters serving as people food supply. If you're in a damaged environment, then food produced from genetic engineering such as cloned shrimp or pigs would be more likely. If you're in a really fucked setting, then insect, rat, soy, and other shit tier solutions might be a temporary stop gap for the society, but not for long.
>>57418963Usually the exploitation of cusines is the inevitable result of a significant population from the originating country migrating to a new one. Its not bad its a dact of life.
In my dystopian future the food situation is much like 1984. For people living in the hive cities food is directly controlled and rationed by the state. There isn't any future soy paste but the quality and variety of food is pretty shitty. Most people get 50% or more of their daily caloric intake from enriched bread rations and the adjoining multi-vit tabs that come with the packaging. In the loosely controlled outzones people tend to have home gardens since weekly rations can take a month or more to arrive (if they do).Ongoing bread riots, people from the underclass having obvious diseases from nutritional deficits like goiters or rickets and the quality of "upper deck" dining were all running themes for the campaign.
>>57416413Thing is that Indoor Farbe aren't really energy efficient, sure the specialised LED light helps but still got some land around that's cheaper to use since the sun is free.Also we still got room for improvements when it comes to agriculture, it's just that getting more land is easier, right now, than getting more out of your land.
>>57419090Just because something is an acceptable fact of life doesn't mean it isn't also bad. That's like all of cyberpunk as a genre.
>>57419455Experiences may vary. My experience with food in Asia, Canada and the US left me somewhat leery about claims of cultrual appropriation.
>>57419195Heh i was reading about rationing during WW1 and WW2 by the US and the UK. Came off thinking "huh that may not be bad i might get healthier"Then i look at Eastern Europe and Russia and thr shittery that happened. The feeling is that a rationing system is all up to the proper administration.
>>57405013>In 20XX dairy was deemed a leading health concern after a disease-based crash of the dairy industry and public awareness over the chemically addictive nature of dairy.>The meat industry was similarly harmed during some government shake ups around the same time leading to subsidies moving to high-volume plant-based nutrition production. Most folks can't afford the actual cost of meat products.>Alternative food industries hit a boom and consolidation into [Primary Agriculture Industry Corporations] has led to the money being in Synthetic food sources.>Advances in synthetic food production and quality have basically eliminated animal-based food products, as they aren't cost effective. >Health benefits and nutritional balancing of synthetics foods also far exceed their natural counterparts. i.e., a synth-food burger is gonna be healthier to eat than a traditional balanced diet.>There are still outliers who insist that "natural" food both tastes better and is healthier, but most citizens at all levels think those folks are crazy, usually its people out of touch with the Everyman, celebrities or people born into money.>The improvement in general health of the population has led to various options for preferred foods, usually based on preparation methods.Most popular methods are as follows:>Dehydrated - preparation requires minimal amenities, some products are self heating when hydrated.>Canned - more popular for folks who don't have a reliable water source, i.e., vagabonds and the destitute.>Pellets - easy to ship, easy to store, requires a reconstituter, however, which keeps it to the growing middle class.>Pre-fab - the way people used to get food at stores.>Ready-To-Eat - Prepared food, may be derived from any of the other sources but is professionally prepared either for fast, pick-up, or dine-in options.
>>57406434I've been equating Cyberpunk more and more with real life circumstances turnunf into an Oligarchical hell-hole, and fast food and fake food are the first things that popped into my head for this discussion. Rather than looking like MREs, it's still burger and fries, only available from whatever megacorp cornered the market, and made with the most processed and profitable scraps of technically edible substances.
>>57419783>Immediately Consumable - no preparation required. Think chips or nuts or jerky or whatever.Food Service Industry:>Ready-To-Eat is primarily supported by Burrito Dome, which won the franchise wars. However, a stipulation within the 20XX Franchise Contracting Decision allows businesses where food is a secondary product (bars, grocery, quick-charging stations, coffee shops, etc.) to maintain their own brand identity.>All restaurants are now under the "Burrito Dome" albeit sometimes with various branding. One concession BD made during the 20XX FCD was that they cannot produce products for home preparation under the branding.Large families, the middle class, and well-to-do folks often have food at home as both a cost saving measure and for convenience. However there is a growing industry for mobile food options, which often show up resembling the MRE or other Military Rations of the previous century. They often include a variety of Dehydrated, Pref-Fab, immediately consumable product.Various fringe products also exist, such as a resurgence of Tube-based products (basically flavor pastes with nutritional value - very popular with the highest speed in society) and dietary "Meal Representative Lozenges" which work with membranous implants to trick your brain into believing you are eating more than the limited caloric and vitamin capsule appears. Sometimes these are sold as food alternatives to prey on poor communities who cannot afford reliable food options.
>>57419621It's not so much cultural appropriation as cultural dilution. The nice corner Chinese restaurant in a South Dakota town is not a problem, it's the deconstruction of the appealing parts of a culture the second it shows any mass market appeal.Taco Bell was a franchise started by a white dude who owned a hot dog stand because he was jealous that the Mexicans next door were getting more business. But the fact that he stole something he had no cultural link to just to make a buck isn't a problem, food has been introduced to other cultures and adopted in new ways since the dawn of time. But the problem is that the taco didn't get *changed* or *improved*, it was diluted, made safer and shittier and more profitable, and sold on a mass level. And Taco Bell happens to be owned by the same mega-corporation that owns Kentucky Fried Chicken, another great example. And it's not just a cross-cultural thing, of course, McDonald's did the same thing to the hamburger.Rinse and repeat with music and fashion and films and whatever else you want. If someone shows even a spark of mass-marketability it gets scooped up by corporations and milked for everything it's worth and loses what was special about it in the first place. When your one-time favorite meme gets posted by your mom on Facebook and that's it, it's not fun anymore, well that's the same shit.And of course, all this shit probably doesn't spell death for society, but cyberpunk is a genre built on building a fantasy off of those kinds of fears, a world where everyone's a worthless corporate wage slave who eats bland food and consumes bland media and is miserable all the time, except for a few damaged but colorful and rebellious protagonists.>>57419859>Burrito Dome, which won the franchise wars.At least somebody around here knows how to use the three seashells.
>>57419859>In response to the Mega-Corporate farming conglomerates cornering markets, a relatively industry savvy consumer group built a legal case for the defense of individual food production, which now sells and manages licenses under the name "IndiCho Foods.">Licenses allow folks who wish to or are sufficiently off grid to not have a reliable food source to grow their own plants for food production, but only as individual consumption. >The details of the licenses require that no sale of derivatives can occur. >This has resulted in black markets for real vegetables, especially where imitation of the well-to-do (who are often presented eating actual vegetables), or for things such as baked goods, etc. where relationships with local and distant corporations are strained. >Most localities do not enforce the licenses, most often the extent is that IndiCho simply fines the perpetrators.>In areas where police and military forces are more heavily subsidized by the food manufacturing/production industries the retaliation is substantially more severe.
>>57419937>it's the deconstruction of the appealing parts of a culture the second it shows any mass market appeal.Interestingly enough, a lot of what people around the world think of as "ethnic cuisine" is a fabrication playing up stereotypes. It's actually quite fascinating. TexMex isn't traditional "real" Mexican food, but it is what most Americans think is Mexican food. Same way that what most of the world thinks of as "Chinese Food" is actually hybridized foods based usually on traditional methods but using new ingredients and local flavor preferences.Shit, Korean BBQ in the US ain't got nothing on that shop run by ajumma on a back corner of Seoul.
>>57420009That was kind of my point, even if I didn't word it properly. Mexican food becoming Tex-Mex food is a natural progression of culture. Tex-Mex food becoming Taco Bell is cultural dilution.
>>57420067I was picking up what you were putting down. Basically anything that is not [individually produced] is going to suffer dilution the more people are involved, whether as producers or consumers. Shit, I love me some Taco Bell, but I am pretty cognizant of what it is. I'm pretty snobby about a lot of foods, but it is all based around how it is presented. Like, at this point Taco Bell really doesn't try to pretend it is anything above what it is, and I dig that.Sadly there are a lot of local or boutique restaurants that don't understand that and market boring ass, bland as shit, mass consumption products as being something special. All them "my water is too spicy" white folk with daddy's money to start up a food truck fuckin' ruin my day so much.
>>57405013Lots of good ideas in this thread. I only have so much to contribute, but I will say I like the broader idea that, technically, a majority of the population has gone vegetarian or vegan. Not intentionally or for moral reasons, but because animals are either extinct or rare/protected/expensive enough that they aren't eaten and 90% of the food is synthetic enough to qualify. A "silver lining" given by a grim future.
>>57420140Forced vegetarianism/veganism is one of the easy ways to make something feel dystopian to most Americans, entertainingly enough. Regardless of the fact that overall animal-based food consumption is dropping in many places in reality. But people use food as a source of comfort, or to retain familiarity. And going from a 30+% animal-based diet to a 0% one is a kick in the nuts to a lot of people.
IIRC Brazil was looking into some of these food alternatives for the populace, the degrading kind."Part of a project called Food for Everyone, the food pellets are called "Allimento" and are made out of the dehydrated leftovers of food from the commercial processing industry that are close to expiring or "out of marketing standard." There is no public information on what, exactly, is in these things."The fucking things are called Feed.Even if it's still a free translation it still sounds and looks like something you'd give to livestock.
A food dispenser right outside your apartment. Wave your card/chip and you get paste shaped like food with a tube of guacamole on the side so it meets minimum nutritional requirements. Then the machine thanks you but all you hear is it blurting out static in place of words. The bin next to the machine has many full tubes of guacamole.
>>57420275Seems like the sort of thing that would get used as an ingredient, though. Like a TVP style thing. But yeah. I mean, Brazil is getting closer and closer to a right proper dystopia.>>57420287Reminds me of the coffee machine in ILoveBees.
>>57416418Meatballs in marinara is a solid one, good potential to be fought over. The "smoothie" is what gave you the shits. They produce a few types (Vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, and strawberry banana) and every single one of them give me the shits. 100% worth it though. t. soldier whose consumed MREs for far longer than an average human should
>>57420122Totally, and I'm not over here pretending I'm some high class motherfucker slurping up foie gras for dinner, I've eaten more than my share of dollar tacos and hamburgers. But taking a step back and looking at any of that shit on a cultural level makes you realize how depressing it can be.And that's what makes cyberpunk, because it takes that shit that's frustrating about our world and shows what it would be like taken to the extreme.>>57420140At that point I like the idea that people would be actively grossed out by actual, non-imitation, non-lab-grown meat. Both for moral and cultural reasons, as it could come from a place of "What? This came from a real cow? But cows are so cute! Why would you want to kill one just for food?" or of "What? This came from a real cow? Like that rolls around in the mud or whatever the fuckers do? Don't feed me that shit, it'll make me sick."Oddly enough, even though they're on opposite ends of the idealism scale that would put a cyberpunk setting on the same page as Star Trek, if for completely different reasons.
>>57420382Eyup, it was mostly meant to be a supplement to actual food, but well, politician went retarded and introduced it as a standalone pellet.In its primary form, it's a nutrient flour.Looks like dog kibble don't it?
>>57420401>put a cyberpunk setting on the same page as Star TrekTake technological extremes and present them with a deprecated and an idealize society and you get quite different results. Really positive and hopeful fiction is a great place to pluck out pieces for depressing shit.> it takes that shit that's frustrating about our world and shows what it would be like taken to the extreme.I think a lot of it is taken past the extreme, to the benefit of the fiction it is building. Because while I do expect the future to result in eventually phasing out animal-based foods with a slow cultural shift, but mostly an economic and environmental shift, I like to take it past "this is the logical extreme of this" and put it in the "this is batshit and nutty." Recycling human bodies as a nutrition source (highly processed, human meat is extra not good for humans) is a fun one. Complete erasure of any cultural identity of food as everyone eats generic pastes or something is another favorite.>>57420398The vegetarian MREs are always the best because they always have peanut butter and generally the best supplementary foods. Most of the entrees are trash and not for human consumption.
>>57420557Well, TVP is pic related. Thankfully it is marketed as an ingredient in the states.
>>57405013Food pills, one pill a day keeps you going. And most of them are lassed with drugs to keep the lower classes working harder.
>>57420619>this food pill? it's laced with drugs
>>57417599don't forget crows
>>57405013>> Canned meat from actual animalsAs opposed to meat from fake animals? Explain this pls.>(Electricity is expensive!)But it's cyberpunk, not the fucking 1800s.
>>57418517I've always said that the McRib tastes how I expect fake cyberpunk food would.
>>57420589Indeed, the similarity is uncanny.Allimento is literal scraps from industries tho, kind of worrying when you think about it, since it is known TVP is basically soy.Couple the fact that you don't know what goes in allimento AND with Brazil's hygiene issues thanks to the rampant corruption in the authorities that should regulate these processes...Shit's not pretty, especially when politicians try and succeed pushing stupid laws.
>>57420675yes, fake meat from fake animals a.k.a. artificially grown protein
>>57405013This post proves that people who like cyberpunk are faggots who don't know shit about economics.
>>57420722Brazil is probably the future of the developed world. A small elite overclass living walled off from teeming, rat-like masses of hideously-poor half-feral people living in stinking, maze-like favelas eating refuse and wallowing in filth and violence while breeding out of control.
>>57420748You wanna contribute a little there, buttercup? Maybe tell everyone *why* they're wrong?
>>57420675It is cyberpunk, so everything is Extra Commodified(TM)>>57420722>Soylent Grün ist ein Produkt aus MenschenfleischAnd politicians pushing stuff is a really interesting thing that I think belongs more in cyberpunk than it has traditionally showed. But then again, my development point for my setting is to take the concepts that created Classic Cyberpunk relative to when it was created, the same for 90's era, etc. and extrapolating from many modern concerns to build a setting. Basically ending at the point that Governments are basically operating under Corporate Sponsors.>>57420748>one person proves a wide selection of people X of YUMMMMMMMM. The pupper is probably angry with you for posting.
>>57420667>don't forget crowsIn the grim and dystopian future of cyberpunk Australia: they will still have to deal with magpies and bin chickens.
>>57420835...Honestly despite feeling bad about it I can see it happening, although I'd wager Venezuela is far closer to that image, at least the ravening rabble part.I feel like it can only get worse here, Rio and São Paulo would probably be the first of those evolved favelas of the developed world, the disparity in standards of living in those cities is absurd>>57420853Yeah, a politician here in monkey-land holds dear to every scrap of power he can acquire, even more so if it means pushing away loads of revisions and new laws which could greatly benefit the country.And in a way Brazil's politicians shy away from privatizations and corporations, even if their pockets are being stuffed full of cash from both public and private sectors.They claim it's about maintaining sovereignty.It's an interesting dilemma.Even if the government cedes some sector for privatization, monopolization is allowed, cartels are formed behind all of the legal tape, in a way, they still get paid for their agendas.What a shit-show, worst thing is, it happens everywhere else too in some manner.
>>57405013>Ctrl-f no bugs or roaches.Clearly that is the perfect food for the people of the future high in protein and can create a population on almost any bio-waste.
>>57420401An interesting twist on your "disgusted reaction to animal-based foods" thought would be to use it to play up the divide between rich and poor- the poor have a visceral reaction against it, but the rich see it as a mark of distinction (pretentiousness?) to be able to appreciate the rustic flavor of real animal flesh.
>>57420009As a funny side to this, Taco Bell absolutelly failed in Mexico for obvious reasons. Why eat that shit when there's better tacos at almost every corner for less than half the price? And hamburger joints also have a really hard time keeping up because Mexico's beef is great and all the ingredients of the burger exist at a better quality from Mexican companies (Bimbo's bread, La Costeña's peppers and sauces, plus fresh vegetables) than what the franchises can offer make it so any corner burger joint can again offer much better burgers for half the price.But then there's KFC, Wendy's and sushi joints. KFC is ridiculously good in Mexico because their chicken is good quality and extremelly plentiful, and mexicans love fried chicken but don't have the patience to make it. Wendy's on the other hand doesn't subsist on their burgers but their chilli. And there's almost as many japanese restorants in Mexico City as there are mexican restorants. In my experience after travelling all across the american continent, most of europe, China, Mongolia, S. Korea, Phillipines and Japan. I have never eaten as well as I did in Mexico.The problem with food in America isn't "cultural appropiation" or "cultural dilution". It's trying to force the use of shitty ingredients and an autistic dependance on recipes. If MacDonnalds used all local ingredients and preparations people would travel for their preffered style of burger the way people in San Diego go to Tijuana for sugar cane sweetened Coke.Mexico is a terrible country at a lot of things but the way they force foreign companies to use local ingredients and preparations is fucking genius from a (non oligarchic) capitalist standpoint.
>>57421429It could be like people who are overly snooty about their audio formats. They're adamant real meat is far superior but in a blind taste test most of them couldn't distinguish it from cultured meat.In a less grimdark bent it would be cute to see traditional food animals be more widely accepted as pets once the food association was gone. Fancy chickens, pigs, fluffy cows that stay little thanks to genetic engineering. That's very setting-dependent, though.
>>57421429If the morality police handn't interfered so staunchly we'd have cloned meat right now and it would be cheaper than soy and corn "based" product.I can't foresee a world where fakemeat is not the poor people food unless it's literally to force high levels of strogen on the non-rich to keep them meek.
With the consumption of so many sugar and carbs people would be fat and sick.
>>57421707Doesn't matter so long as they can keep consuming.
>>57421620I mean, given how cost-inefficient cultured meat is right now we're fast coming up on a time already where the rich can afford to eat indistinguishable lab-grown meat for moral reasons while the poor eat real hormone-pumped animals.That's kind of an interesting thought for a setting all around, a dystopia in the time of Whole Foods, a snooty upper class exemplified by moral grandstanding rather than the shady oligarchs who hunt humans for sport kinda deal that normally gets presented. Though I realize how quickly and easily it would devolve into /pol/ li-brul bashing makes it not worth the effort.
>>57418963>depressing lowest common denominator "white people" versions of ethnic foods>>57419455KYS
>>57421766Hey man, sorry your chocolate milk was too spicy tonight, but don't get triggered on me.
>>57421722In my cyberpunk setting, the cities have levels, those on the ground are basically on their own, the upper levels are standard cyberpunk cities with flying cars, etc. They all live under clouds of pollution, so basically every time is nighttime. And on top of everything over the cloud is the utopic all white colored cities with solar panels and farms even with animals(maybe not, haven't decided it yet).
>>57421789KYS SJW faggot.
>>57421856So what do they all eat?>>57421983Oh, don't be so fragile. You could've at least read the rest of the thread.
>>57422072The shit and trash of the rich or the vermin that subsist on them.
>>57421545That actually doesn't surprise me from what I've heard of people traveling there. And as it goes, usually the best food in the states are the smallest places which put a lot of stock into their ingredient selection and degree of flavor on their menu. Not only is America happy to use sub-standard ingredients (because unbridled capitalism) but most of the corporate restaurants are trying to do that broad appeal thing and to save a buck. A personal scale for quality of food is actually how good some place can prepare tofu, because it basically says "here is nothing curd" when you get it, so you actually have to make something out of it instead of pretending like whatever you are using as a base is good enough.>>57421591This, I like this. Albeit pigs would also be on the list of genetically made "house sized." >>57421620The only way lab-grown meat would be cheaper than plant-based alternatives is through government subsidies and orchestrated supply/demand differences. Plant-based alternatives are only as expensive as they are due to production volumes, which means over time as demand increases the costs to produce will go down. At the moment in some areas plant-based alternatives are already less expensive than animal meat, based on availability. Additionally, animal meat is only at the cost it is through government subsidies. If those subsidies went to soy/corn/wheat/etc. the plant-based foods would easily drop in price as they are then able to reach a wider demand due to thriftiness alone.
>>57422072"So what do they all eat?"That's the reason why I am here.
>>57422235>>57422316This is actually a highly interesting proposition. Video related.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVzppWSIFU0
>>57422235Grim darkness aside, how does that work? 90% of people are eating the refuse of the top 10%?>>57422297As long as we're already genetically modifying animals for the city, why not your own apartment hen? Free source of eggs.
>>57422355>Grim darkness aside, how does that work? 90% of people are eating the refuse of the top 10%?Well cows on farms and thing produce massive ammounts of waste that would dwarf what the people leave out plus if you assume that the rich eat over 10x what the proletariat need to survive then their waste will provide a lot resources. Plus rats and bugs are pretty hardy creatures that can eat shit no problem and humans can eat them no problem.
>>57422334His face is priceless.
/pol/ has me scared of soy. What's a good protein replacement that won't make me all wimpy?
>>57422537Buckwheat. It's high in protein, you can make anything from noodles to beer with it, and you're never gonna feel emasculated because somebody called you a "buckboy."
>>57422297>First pointI'm an American who just took his first trip out of the country in over two decades of life this past month. I went to Germany, where the food is fantastic. It took me until today when I went to a local restaurant to realize this: I didn't see a single chain restaurant while I was over there. I mean, there were a couple McDonald's and a Burger King, but as for chain restaurants like Applebees or Chilis or whatever you can find everywhere in America, I saw nothing like that. Which is something nice. Seeing those everywhere gets tiring, it gets homogeneous. And food-wise, they're awful, use (Like you said) sub-standard ingredients, and never satisfy. The only good thing about them are their bars, which are still poor and corporate, but plentiful and get you drunk.Over in Europe, the restaurants are local. The beers are local. The ingredients are local. Everywhere has that sense of community and damn fine food. That's nonexistent in America, and that seems to be the future if we let it continue as-is. >>57422355>Why not your own apartment hen?Do it like Blade Runner or the original Philip K. Dick novel it's off of. Even synthetically produced animals are expensive and rare, they're even a status symbol.
>>57422297>Plant-based alternatives are only as expensive as they are due to production volumes, which means over time as demand increases the costs to produce will go down. At the moment in some areas plant-based alternatives are already less expensive than animal meat, based on availability. Additionally, animal meat is only at the cost it is through government subsidies. If those subsidies went to soy/corn/wheat/etc. the plant-based foods would easily drop in price as they are then able to reach a wider demand due to thriftiness alone.There's the extra expense of letting humanity go to shit. After all the homo habilis became homo sapiens thanks to the discovery of fire and barbecue.
>>57405013>How does one present food in a cyberpunk world?Cyberpunk 2020 answered that question in the 90's. S.C.O.P. - Single Cell Organic Protien, a kind of mass produced food product.Kibble - It is exactly what you think. Krill - Cheap and easy to farm.
>>57422616I will, fuckboy.
>>57422537What is wrong with soy? Is soy being unsafe a new meme?
>>57422689Idiots believe that, because your body can use it to create estrogen, it will feminize you in high quantities.
>>57422689Its high in estrogen which has caused /pol/ to think that its part of a conspiracy to destroy manliness.>>57422705In high quantities anything will fuck you up, tomatoes can turn you red.
>>57422355>Implying you won't be required to license the hen and pay for eggs or you can get a one-time purchase where the chicken is designed not to produce eggsThis is cyberpunk we're talking about here.>>57422537It's actually a biologically/nutritionally inaccurate understanding of soy they have you afraid of. Also, other beans and nuts are the best protein sources anyway.>>57422628Franchising is a fucking racket anyway. >The only good thing about them are their bars, which are still poor and corporate, but plentiful and get you drunk.And it's much more efficient to just get the bottle and do drinks at home.But yeah, many parts of the world, even some parts of America (I'm in Anchorage, Alaska, for example), have really great quality eateries. The big thing in the states is exposure. US Tourist locations are filled with corporate shit. As are any shopping centers or other concentrations of people. It's worth it to find places to eat. America just makes it hard to find good ones in the sea of bland.
>>57422660Krill is a good pick.>>57422689"Soyboy" is the new "cuck" for the /pol/ types.
>>57422644From a biological standpoint nutrition sources don't actually matter except to the degree that the human body can process them. In that regard (and following along from your anthropological nod) human dentation is that of an herbivore. Most likely developing off a frugivorous diet. That means fruits, vegetables, nuts - which also happen to be the best nutritionally and easiest for our bodies to process.Insofar as nutritional benefits are concerned, humans are really inefficient at processing nutrients from both primary (i.e., meat, marrow, sweet meats) and secondary (dairy, eggs) animal sources. At best you're looking at the body being able to struggle through 3-5% of a diet based on animal products, and the average American partakes of approximately 7-10 times that volume.Discovery of fire allowing certain food sources to be able to a) keep longer or b) be digestible aided in survivability, but it would be inaccurate to suggest that a dietary reliance on meat is why humans developed to where they are. It just isn't scientifically supported.
>>57422689Phytoestrogens do mess with your body's testosterone production.If your diet is healthy it shouldn't do you harm, if you're a hipster vegan that puts soy or tofu in literally every single thing you ingest you'll grow moobs, lose muscle definition, have terrible caries and shoot blanks.
>>57422723At one point you have to ask yourself if corporations aren't their own worst enemy.No shit nobody wants to eat at their joint and they have to spend billions forcing themselves into every single mall and commercial complex while wasting a truckload in ads. The product is shit, and the service is worse.But no, spending a couple more dollars on better ignredients was not the solution.
>>57422689Actually, nothing. It isn't a new meme in the grand scale, but it has had a resurgence. It used to be a Paleo thing to be hyper-anti-soy, in part because of it being highly processed in most forms and in part because of "oh no phytoestrogens will make me less manly" even though there is no research that verifiably supports any negative impact to male traits due to consumption of phytoestrogens. Also, it's in a lot more than soy. It's even in Bourbon!So, yeah. Basically it's people being dumb and not understanding hoe chemicals work.>>57422730That looks like a strawberry covered cake or something and I am both intrigued and disgusted.
>>57422810A greater issue is the profit-oriented business models. They cut costs by using ever cheaper ingredients, attempt to underpay employees, and all their money goes into branding and executive salaries, stockholder pay outs, and bonuses.On average American CEOs have a salary 475 times what their company average salary is. While most developed countries run from about 10-40 times. It's disgusting and unsustainable. Especially with how often they hemorrhage money and kill the business they run because they imagine it is too big to fail. Toys R Us for example keeps giving its CEO multi-million dollar bonuses each year but they haven't reported a profit since 2013. It's why I shop "local" and not "American" because pfft. Sorry, I've work myself into a fervor.
>>57405013Cybernetic pork harvested from swine augmented to better survive in the industrial wastelands they're raised. The mechanical parts are usually removed and recycled, but sometimes end up as part of the finished product by accident. By virtue of still being fresh meat however it's considered at least middle-class food.
>>57422840And it mistifies me why companies allow that.Are stockholders really so retarded and disenfranchised from humanity that they can't tell they're being ripped off and their investment is going to shit just to pay some asshole who would be ecstatic if he fucked up the company enough to force your and the other stockholders into a ravenous merger with a bigger company?What even goes through these people's heads?
>>57422888>you're looking at the body being able to struggle through 3-5% of a diet based on animal products>humans are really inefficient at processing nutrients from both primary (i.e., meat, marrow, sweet meats) and secondary (dairy, eggs) animal sources>nutrition sources don't actually matterSeriously, I could eat a tide pod and I might survive it, but that doesn't mean it is actually good for me or that I am getting adequate nutritional value.
>>57422891The government will fix their mistakes, since that's what it's there for. :)
>>57422780Then why is it that the longest living population (i.ie Okinawa) on average subsist on a diet that is predominantly based around fish?
>>57422929Masai tribes, Inuits, ancient mongols.What do they all have in common?
>Farmed meat is too expensive for everyone>Ever since a genetically engineerrd tomato started a deadly plague, tomato based products are banned. Ketchup is illegal.>Killer potatoes as mentioned>Corn mutated and became toxic>No one dares explain what the fuck happened to mustard and peppersAre you a bad enough dude to brave the condiment free, corn free, potato free soyboi future?
>>57422888Also that video is dumb. But I guest having TBM play isn't the worst??? Also it misses the point of veganism. I mean. Like. I don't even what.Have an imaged because I like TBM.>>57422891That's the thing, though, is the stock holders are also getting pay outs. Shit, I think it was an airline or something having shareholders freaking out because they dared to pay their employees bonuses out of the profits first. How the money moves doesn't actually make sense from a rational economic standpoint.
>>57422929>The traditional diet also includes a tiny amount of fish (less than half a serving per day) and more in the way of soy and other legumes (6% of total caloric intake).Yep. Totally predominantly based around fish and not rice and sweet potatoes like it actually is.>>57422939Most peoples who are in food deserts are basically adapted to survive off of whatever is available and often have biological differences. For the Inuits specifically, a lot of the major health benefits are not scientifically founded and they are still sourcing similar nutrients. But they are no healthier than other extreme meat diets and are less nutritionally sound than a more plant-focused diet for people who can have one. i.e., not in a food desert.
>>57422952Yes, I would like my crickets and fried seitan with extra salt, please.
>>57422952The time of Mayodays is upon us.
>>57423018>friedOil is banned since the last terrorist attack.
>>57423038Just as the ancient Mayoan prophecies foretold.
>>57422537>/pol/ has me scared of soy. What's a good protein replacement that won't make me all wimpy?Nuts. Peanut Butter was originally marketed as an inexpensive, protein rich, food supplement that was easy on peoples tummies and so could be used as hospital food for the sick or just folks without teeth.... I mean, people eat it now cause it's fuckin' good, but the point still stands. Milk, Cheese, and Eggs are all excellent "non-meat" animal proteins that poor people (peasants specifically) have been using to supplement their diets for thousands of years.. Provided this isn't a vegan or vegetarian bender or whatever. Also, for that matter, Yogurt is extremely good for mens health: prostate, sperm, and testicle health- Rats that had been fed excessive amounts of yogurt in lab studies saw their testicles grow significantly larger, I'm not sure why /pol/ or /fit/ hasn't attached to this. >>57422689>What is wrong with soy? Is soy being unsafe a new meme?Soy has a plant-based chemical that mimics the hormone estrogene. High consumption of soy can 'potentially' cause hormonal mix-ups in males and can 'theoretically' encourage androgyny, but carrots can also turn your skin orange if you eat too many.
>>57421591>but in a blind taste test most of them couldn't distinguish it from cultured meat.I can believe this factory farmed meat, but proper farm-raised meat is leagues above
There are two things the people will actually overthrow governments for. Comfort, and food.So let's flip this around. Instead of a scaricity of food, or food that has had taste and pleasure marketed out of it, there is plenty of cheap delicious food, but it's all a scam. Enterprises such as McDonald's and the like have finally mastered the art of addictive qualities in their food. It's cheap, affordable, but you wake up at 3am with the cold sweats, and Big Macs on your mind. Going to long with a McDonalds brand item leaves you fatiqued, hot amd cokd flashes, and body aches. Homeless beg for money in order to buy McNuggets just as much as they do heroine and booze. They call those who have succumbed to their addiction Ronalds, their fat obese forms practically living on the uncomfortable plastic booths, soending their whole paycheck on McRibs.Another corp has continued the "organic" and "green" trend to unimaginable heights. Clothes, vehicles, food, housing, and more. An elitist culture that's a cross of Apple fan boys, scientology, and eco terrorists has sprung up. They picket and lobby against "evil" corps that ruin the environment, they blow up factories, kipnap executives, and commit other such high level crimes. This green corporation collects tithes, and allows members to join and rise through the ranks, only after the proper fee has been donated first. They form the bulk of the private, but publicly disavowed army that the corporation controls. Muscling out competition in the name of a greener world.
>>57423270>There are two things the people will actually overthrow governments for. Comfort, and food.This, Venezuelans allowed their girls to be raped, their boys to be killed, drugs to run rampant, their coin to become worthless and their jobs to become useless while still refusing to call Chaves anything but a saint.All it took was the high middle class to go hungry for a day for the country to devolve into open social disobedience.And that's why despite being the countries with the largest armed civilian populations, America and Mexico will never revolt against the oligarch. We can fill our maws with tasty crap for $1 or less.
>>57419301>the sun is free>put solar panels on public homes, public offices, offer private homes to install solar panels (installation and part of the purchase price paid for by gubmint) in exchange for a amount of electricity (that amount being the amount an average household would use in power) if they properly take care of it>after a certain amount of time, the initial cost of the project versus electricity costs would mean it's profitable and there'd be a surplus of electricity>sell the surplus electricity>utilized solar power underground: success
crickets, silk worm pupae, other insects: either by themselves or ground into flour.mushrooms engineered for protein content, size & ease/speed of growth.seaweed.rice engineered to grow better in saltwater.vitamin supplements.if we can engineer some kind of algae to eat the plastc in the ocean & we can then turn it into food we're golden for a while.>>57419675well administered rationing witha population willing to make sacrifices & a black market that is sticking tto the shadows and not running rampant is doable but for how long?
>>57423270I like this. You'd have to portray anyone eating normal produce as a weird hippy and people that eat normal ranched beef/pork as carnivorous barbarians. They wouldn't be, of course, but that image would be so popularly thrown around by the big corporations that most people believe it. You can have your gang of rebels and freedom fighters or whatever subsisting on potato stew from real potatoes that they're growing in secret gardens. Have people always saying it tastes like shit, or whatever word they use for shit, but still eating it because they know the alternative is far worse.
>>57405013In most Cyberpunk settings, the Earth is hopelessly polluted. Therefore, most food is made from stuff that can easily be grown in hydroponic/aeroponic farms using artificial light. Soya, mushrooms, worms and cereals can take about any shape (hot dogs, meat patties, potatoes...). They are flavored with artificial flavors (barbecued beef, fried bacons, tomatoe sauce, chocolate mousse...), and their nutritional value is augmented by adding synthetic vitamins and minerals. Different franchises dominate the restauration market. There are restaurant franchises and food-stalls franchises. All this is the staple food of the vast majority. The elite benefits from organic food grown is the best hydroponic farms and from cloned cattle. Next to this, there is a vast market of wellness food. Most of it is pure marketing, but it gives the illusion of healthy living.
>>57423487ya drank the kool aid
>>57426174Nah, what if Islam's already dead but terrorists just still use them for justification? What if terrorism was 'franchised'?
>>57427172This decapitation brought to you by Allah King
>>57423157What stops you from making cultured beef that tastes just as good as the best grass-fed, free-range cattle?>>57423270>An elitist culture that's a cross of Apple fan boys, scientology, and eco terrorists has sprung up.>This green corporation collects tithes, and allows members to join and rise through the ranks, only after the proper fee has been donated first. They form the bulk of the private, but publicly disavowed army that the corporation controls.I really like this idea. It's a great way to put an evil twist on the new wave of corporate activism. You seem to have had Apple in mind but it made me think of an evil Elon Musk.If you want to go the "Apple cult" route, though, I wouldn't even tie it to any kind of environmentalism or other activist issue. There's no moral justification to prefer Apple products, after all, they make their shit in the same Foxconn factories as everyone else.So I'd work that in, it's purely a cult of brand identity. They're buying Brand X products because Brand X products are *better*, obviously, and because they want to be "part of the club."I really like the idea of consumers paying a membership fee to even be able to buy from their special corporation and of there being some way to rise up in the "club" through some convoluted tier system, like modern "multi-level marketing" schemes. Augmented reality could make this so much worse, too. "Oh, I can see you're only Level Green. I'm afraid you can't come in here, this is a Level Orange and above establishment."And crank up that famous Apple "proprietary for the sake of selling you more shit" angle to the maximum. Members buy Brand X food for their Brand X food processor, yeah it can't take generic food but why would you want that anyway? They ride to work in their Brand X buses and travel the country in Brand X planes (or Hyperloop?). They even have their own members-only Internet.
Fresh food is a luxery. Like carrots, lettace. Can easily be grown anywhere. Food in pill in pill form
>>57426174I love how people think the world's 2nd largest religion is bound to fade away soon just because they happen not to like it.
>>57427238Considering it's the favored religion of sub-civilized savages, it's easy for people in real countries to forget just how MANY people durk to allah.
Insects! For the low class citizens. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141014-time-to-put-bugs-on-the-menu
>>57427797>tfw your McCockroaches only contain 2.5% cockroaches
>>57427797Insects: High protein ans super cheap to produce.Rich people would eat meat.>”Lab-grown meat is in your future, and it may be healthier than the real stuff”https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/lab-grown-meat-is-in-your-future-and-it-may-be-healthier-than-the-real-stuff/2016/05/02/aa893f34-e630-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?utm_term=.4a327f1f8513
>>57412375>Field rations aren't *military* food, they're *field* food, designed to be eaten in combat or in a remote place.Additionally, their content is designed on the assumption that you're going to be working your ass off the whole day. If you try and live off field rations whilst doing normal stuff you'll end up hyper and fat really quickly.(plus they do horrible things to your digestive system until you figure out which stuff bungs you up and which stuff gives you the shits so that you can balance them out)
>>57427887>”The First Lab-Grown Hamburger Is Served”https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-08/first-lab-grown-hamburger-served#page-2
>>57422891Because American corporate culture heavily incentivizes short-term profits over long-term gain.Did you know that sick employees infecting customers with foodborne illnesses ends up costing the company infinitely more money than just paying for the employee to have sick days would?
>>57427797>>57427854More like your hamburger is what contains the cockroach. Getting folks in Western cultures chow down on insects would be a hurdle but using insect-based protein as meat filler would be way easier.>>57427752Exactly, thanks for being understand. There's nearly two billion of them and all the ones I know tend to be good folk.
>>57427797>globalists trying to shill eating literal vermin so the third would can shit out 2 billion more future welfare cases and suicide bomberso im laffin
>>57427752You should probably actually be thanking them for all of the academic advances that they are responsible for and accepting that small extremist groups that Fox News told you were representative are not.
>>57429671Economically speaking, when you consider that animal foods are not good for you and that as they are a two tiered food source, it isn't any stupid "fluoride makes you gay" conspiracy bullshit. Remember that 1lb of grains requires a negligible amount of food capable items. 1lb of beef requires anywhere from 40-200lb of feed (estimates for beef are really hit an miss, chickens are estimated closer to 10-20lb, for example) which is ridiculously inefficient. However, if you really wanna eat animals, 1lb of grasshoppers-turned-food requires approximately 1lb of feed, which is substantially more efficient, but still fucking dumb when you think about it.
>>57430334>You should probably actually be thanking them for all of the academic advances that they are responsible forYou mean I should be thanking the pre-Islamic Indians for.
>>57430424I'd rather third worlders just stop shitting out 10 kids per.
>>57430424>However, if you really wanna eat animals, 1lb of grasshoppers-turned-food requires approximately 1lb of feed, which is substantially more efficientFarmed-raised salmon and catfish can achieve the similar ratios, and chickens and most other types of fish are only a little worse off needing 1.5-2lbs of feed per pound of meat. Pigs have a feed conversion ratio of 3:1 and cattle 6:1.And even if you're discounting consumer taste and demand in favor of pure efficiency (which you shouldn't, since we are talking specifically about a cyberpunk world with all its corporate woes rather than any other sort of "we ran out of food" dystopia) implying there is no caloric advantage to meat compared to the same weight in grain feed is disingenuous.
>>57431572>he doesn't know about the Islamic Golden Age>he doesn't know that all his modern issues with Islam are fabricated by western governments through puppet leaders to get his support for the military industrial complexFeel sorry for you.
>>57413646This paints a good picture: if you want fresh food you can have fresh food. But if you want x brand you may be shit out of luck>>57417315As someone who works in a hospital kitchen it is awfully depressing on how they make the stuff. Most of the ingredients used to make is precubed/chopped so it can mass produced. There is no personally trimming or cutting the ingredients like a regular kitchen. It is so factory made someone can make somethig palatable with a mishmash of ingredients.To add to that, for the Japanese where cyberpunk was based on. The reason why fresh food is a luxury is irl you are more likely to buy canned fruit rather than fresh fruit as they are around the same price if not in favor of canned fruit. One could find fresh fruit in a cyber dystopia but why bother when the canned brands do the same?
>>57431582Well, if society could get off of its "we hate women and control them through impregnation" kick and we start educating and having actual available opportunities for folks and contraceptives through the third world (and "1st world" America) we can do a lot for the world. But that still doesn't change that the meat and secondary animal products industries are unsustainable without major changes.>>57431629I would be curious to see the study for where those references/ratios come from. Because I've heard those things about fish, but most of what I saw also related to them getting alternate nutrition due to their direct connection to wider water sources. So I'd be curious where the numbers came from (and more importantly who was funding the studies) and all that. Good way to solve the issue of cost for excess feed, though, but you then run into the issues that high levels of fish in a diet can cause to a population.And accounting for consumer taste is 90% marketing. Most flavors people look for in their meat is actually plant or mineral derived seasonings. Otherwise unseasoned, seared flank steak would probably be the most popular beef and everyone would be tits up for boiled chicken breast instead of wanting their barbaque rubs and steak sauces and stuff. A slow burn away from meat to give people higher flavors + smear campaigns against the meat industry (most people are grossed out by the blood lakes, if nothing else) from other business endeavors can be pretty influential. Also, any caloric advantage of meat is at a loss of core nutritional values. But, I will admit that as you push out hybridized lab meat could lead to a more reasonable extrapolation of modern trends. Why mess around with lemons and garlic when you can have a lab grown chicken breast-lemon-garlic(tm) hybrid?
>>57431697Not only do canned brands do the same, but you can get them in higher volumes because they keep longer. Do you buy fresh pears that will be bad in a couple weeks or spend the same money for 20% more that you can consume at your leisure?
>>57431670Again, the advances you talk about are from the far east, not the near east. Your pathetic blame-shifting for the actions of a cultural-religious entity that has always been the bitter, mortal enemy of Christian (and ultimately, western humanist) civilization is not convincing.
>>57431836>But that still doesn't change that the meat and secondary animal products industries are unsustainable without major changes.Let's be realistic - in a choice between 'let the Indian subcontinent and Africa starve' and 'give up real meat for vermin,' what do you think the developed world will choose?
>>57431697>To add to that, for the Japanese where cyberpunk was based on.Cyberpunk as a genre comes primarily from Neuromancer, which has nothing to do with Japan. Gibson himself gave credit to the film Blade Runner as doing what he wanted to do 'first,' and can properly be considered the other parent of cyberpunk.Eastern cyberpunk is a meaningful and important genre, but it didn't come first.
A food concept I always found to be really interesting was in Æon Flux.In one episode it shows that once a day, citizens went to a "food distribution" centre (cant recall the exact name). The state had all of your biometric information (total authoritarian police state) and would create a meal which would meet all of your needs (calories/vitamins/minerals).People lined up, ate in a small private booth, and absolutely loved the meal, which was always in the form of cabbage.
>>57431897I guess they offered you the grape Kool-Aid to hate on Islam. I bet you also think Edison invented anything at all. >>57431916Except that the unsustainable part isn't just going to impact those two portions of the worlds, it will be an actual global concern. I do admit that the western world will probably buy into the "real meat or vermin" drek long enough that they'll have to go to vermin due to near-irreversible ecological damage caused by the meat and secondary animal product industries.It is the same reason why the "developed" west is in many areas still flailing against clean and renewable energy. Someone has money in it that they are unwilling to redirect or diversify because it has been so profitable for them in the past.>>57432018MY CABBAGES!
>>57431956>Cyberpunk as a genre comes primarily from Neuromancer, which has nothing to do with Japan. Gibson himself gave credit to the film Blade Runner as doing what he wanted to do 'first,' and can properly be considered the other parent of cyberpunk.While the spirit of what you're saying is true, it's funny to me that you're basically saying "Neuromancer started cyberpunk even though it came out after Blade Runner but William Gibson definitely thought of it first."
>>57432352Neuromancer is probably the more influential work, but Blade Runner beat it to the punch is my point. I wanted to make sure BR got acknowledged, since it often doesn't.
>>57432352>>57432520Well, a lot of people will make the distinction between cyberPUNK and cyberNOIR. It has more to do with Blade Runner building a world that allowed the ideas of cyberpunk as many think of it today to be codified by Gibson. Albeit, I'll leave the for better or worse discussion out of it.
>>57432520Neuromancer is definitely what codified cyberpunk as a genre, but it was also a book, and the genre is by and large a visual one. Blade Runner created the "cyberpunk aesthetic" basically from scratch. I think maybe the fact that all the other, also hugely influential entries like Ghost in the Shell were basically just ripping their base look from Blade Runner is why it isn't as well appreciated now. It's the science fiction equivalent of Seinfeld- utterly groundbreaking, but it's all been done so many times since that it doesn't feel as special as it was at the time.
>>57427984>Did you know that sick employees infecting customers with foodborne illnesses ends up costing the company infinitely more money than just paying for the employee to have sick days would?Yes, I own a company and keep having the bank suggest they won't be lending me any more money if I don't hire overpaid executives to sabotage me from within and sell our shit to LG.Murrika is fucking retarded and needs to wake the fuck up.
>>57415083I like you. I don't know if anyone else does, but I do.
>>57409474They'll be even more confused if they've researched the term first, as it's out-dated military (UK) slang for doing vegetable preparation when assigned to the cook-house for KP duties.
Those protein bars made of compressed cockroaches they fed to the lower classes in Snowpiercer were pretty cyberpunk.
>>57432205Not that anon but I can't believe the "most muslims are good people" spiel until both the Grand Imam and Grand Ayatollah expunge terrorists and disavow sharia.The same way I can't believe modern feminism isn't about female superiority until all gender studies academics denounce TERFs and mysandrists as non-feminist.
>>57433727>The same way I can't believe modern feminism isn't about female superiority until all gender studies academics denounce TERFs and mysandrists as non-feminist.They do. Why do you think they call them TERFs?
>InsectsI was paying $3 for "Honey Bars" with what I thought was a picture of a bee on it when I was in college. They were tasty and had as much protein as a steak. Then the cashier told me I was one of the only people buying "dem cricket bars," and sure enough they were made with "cricket flour." I imagine cyberpunk people wouldn't have much of a problem, especially since Asian and Latino cultures are usually predominant by then, but I tell you now I stopped buying those bars once I found out.
>>57433844I my experience, western american academia says terms like "TERF", "SJW", "AntiFa", "Far Left", "Cultural Marxist", etc. are all erroneous and meaningless because they're not self-referential. Therefore there is no radical left and it can't be questioned or challenged because it does not exist.
>>57433850If it's flour what does it matter? The disgusting part of eating bugs is their structure.
>>57416164Lol man okay.
>>57424483Ya got a lot of assumptions going on there buddy.
>>57434062FuckingThisIf it tastes good who cares if it's made out of bugs
>>57427797I second this for a cyberpunk setting and for real live.Growing insects is much more cost and space efficient than rasing cattle or pigs. You get more proteins for less resource used, cattle uses up to twelve times more than the same amount of protein in crickets.And for RPG puropses it's just for grossing out normie players that society has devolved so far that the poor need to eats pests.I like it when my cyberpunk can take one or two good stabs with common sense and still look like a sensible setting. looking at you shadowrun
>>57434352Jesus, I'm super happy right now that i am a kraut.
>>57434460so am I
>>57434352Wish he'd said something about the coffee.
>>57434352I mean, there is nothing wrong with half of these thing, but i really appreciate it if people TELL me what I'm eating.Insects, kelp and krill can be pretty tasty in their own right, no reason to act like god damn babarians and try to make it taste like beef.
>>57434562Actually, leave the krill alone, whales need that stuff, but the other two are fine and can be grown by man.
>>57434630Krill can be farmed.
>>57434690Just looked it up, seems like some australians found a way to do it, crazy bastards, i love them.
>>57434562>>57434630Seems like step one for more efficient and more varied food is pretty simple don't be a bitch
>>57433727Okay, but maybe when all the Christians also denounce and expunge the KKK and when all white people denounce and expunge Neo-Nazis and all Police denounce and expunge officers abusing their power to rape and murder and extort and all that - then you can bring that to the table because it is fucking dumb to not understand the difference between a small sect of extremists and hundreds of millions (or billions) of other people. Like, JFC seriously. Also, the continued assumption that feminism is about female superiority shows an utter lack of imagination in scare males who can't handle the fact that they aren't the baseline of rational thinking.>>57434033That's not how that works. TERF is an identifier, whether self-referential or not. It is used with the purpose of expression of a concept. Same for the others. Sadly, "don't be a fuckass" hasn't gotten through to a lot of people in this year of our lord MM18 and so you have people hating on people for trying to be decent. SJW, AntiFa, Far Left, and Cultural Marxist are also attempting to concisely express concepts. HOWEVER, that does not necessarily mean that their use in popular culture or even in academia makes sense. Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists are pieces of shit, and rational feminists fucking hate them. SJW being used as an insult is fucking stupid, though, and folks who use it as such are just waving a red flag that they don't understand, like, anything. They dumb. Same with calling someone a "Snowflake." Technically, there are radical leftist movements. However, they are not comparable to the radical rightist movements which they are usually compared to. You can totally question political philosophies on the social end of the spectrum, but you should be doing the same to the fascist side of the spectrum, too.tl;dr - words express things, learn to think for yourself, bruv.
>>57435015>SJW being used as an insult is fucking stupid, though, and folks who use it as such are just waving a red flag that they don't understand, like, anything. They dumb. Same with calling someone a "Snowflake."What an argument put forth about your ideological opponents. I am stunned by how savagely you have beaten them.
>>57435015>when all the Christians also denounce and expunge the KKK and when all white people denounce and expunge Neo-Nazis and all Police denounce and expunge officers abusing their power to rape and murder and extort and all thatThe authorities do. Muslim authorities don't denounce terrorist and extremists.If individuals chose to be shit that's on them. If authority figures representing a group chose not to call out shit, then the group as a whole can be considered to support that shit.
>>57433850As with >>57434062 and >>57434196 did you just not like them in the first place? Because if you like something before you know what is in it, why wouldn't you like it after? And if you can't because of ingredients. Woo boy. I've got some news for you about 99% of all consumables out there.>>57434352I think the most interesting part about this is that this sort of practice is neither a new development (sawdust has been used in bread for various reasons for thousands of years, for example) but that when it really comes down to it, most folks can't really tell the different between that processed stuff and less processed stuff. At least not from taste perspectives.>>57434460>>57434496>they imagine that the same practices don't go into any food they don't produce themselves from the ground up just because they're in a different country>>57434524Soykaf??????>>57434796Pretty much this. Basically if a business can get people past the ick-factor instilled by existing food industries and get something viable on market that is equal or better in taste and costs less to acquire the a paradigm shift will occur. I'm sure we'll never see the "I only eat things with face" folks fully GTFO, but they'll become more of a niche thing as it becomes more impractical to force production.
>>57435051I mean, I kind of see where he's coming from. Calling your opponent *thing related to their political beliefs* and thinking that immediately invalidates them for everyone because you don't like those beliefs and believe them being wrong is self-evident to everyone once they've been "exposed" is both stupid and extremely common.
>>57435166You forgot "and usually effective, and occasionally accurately dragging in a large net of nasty connotations."
>>57435051>What an argument put forth about your ideological opponents. I am stunned by how savagely you have beaten them.Just stating facts, my fine feathered comrade.>>57435154But a lot of Muslim authorities also denounce the terrorists???? And you said expunge which is far and away not what Christians, Whites, or the Police force do, but often "Muslim" terrorists are refused Islamic burial rites. You have to be actively avoiding fact to not know this stuff. I mean, by your level of requirement, the fact that the sitting US President pussyfoots around anything but being neutral-to-supportive of the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Police officers abusing their powers, then we're at a stalemate if you wanna single out someone in a position of power not calling out shit.God, I prefer the food discussion because I'm less disappointed with people be grossed out by grub worms than extolling ignorance as a virtue.
>>57435210>oh no, they want people to have rights and other people to stop being bigoted assholes, they're the real assholes for wanting people to be treated with basic human decency, I just showed them
>>57435155You have no idea how much of a constant shit storm it causes here in Germany that the government wants to put food, fabricated to American standards, into our market.>Thinking Burgeristsan stands for the status of the whole world.
>>57435287Yes, because that is what SJWs are actually doing. Sure. That certainly passes the sniff test.
>>57435284It is a fact that attempting to "insult" someone by using a term they have embraced which identifying them as likely holding a moral high ground is kinda a stupid thing to do. So yeah. Facts.
>>57435318Oh, I get it! You don't understand how insults work!You don't only use insults to make someone angry. You can also use insults to degrade someone's social standing quite effectively. The connotations of "SJW" are the dark sides of many common liberal beliefs, which makes it quite effective political signaling to unaligned folks.Christ. And you're lecturing people like you know shit from shinola. That's just sad.
>>57435296I wouldn't suggest it is fabricated to American standards. Legal or not business will do it to cut corners. I mean, I would be curious if there are wider legal ramifications for businesses doing it there that are severe enough that it would stop the practice. And I do know that there are various things in non-American countries that are designed to actually make the consequences get noticed. But it is naive to assume that you are getting 100% perfect food, even if it is a higher percentage than America.>>57435308Which cult got to you? Who poisoned your mind? Show us on the doll where they brainwashed you.
>>57435376Who convinced you the world was shining heroes vs. supervillain bigots?
>>57435376>But it is naive to assume that you are getting 100% perfect food, even if it is a higher percentage than America.Of course it won't be perfect foodBut it's far, FAR better than that
>>57435360I think your microcosm of experience is poisoning how you actually think that works out. Most unaligned folks are going to assume that both sides are dumbasses. Spouting right-wing rhetoric about the insidious liberal agendas(tm) only signals to folks who are alright politically right-wing. We get it, you hate that people want to be treated with basic human decency because it illustrates that in all your opportunity you haven't raised up above diluted mediocrity and now you're mad about it. But you could try thinking for yourself instead of playing parrot. :3c
>>57435437The rising usage of "SJW" in the common vernacular is evidence that you're full of shit, but given your completely fucked relationship with reality, I doubt you'd care.
>>57435376>But it is naive to assume that you are getting 100% perfect food, even if it is a higher percentage than America.That's true tho. But it is more transparent here if you care to look those things up up the package. Also, I wouldn't guess that ingredients here make more than a 10% in price (there are of course still brand, ads, logistic and quality that cone down on the price)
>>57435284Feelings are facts now, didn't you know?
>>57435410Rational consideration of verifiable information and basic capabilities of thought. Also don't forget that bystanders don't exist!>>57435429Amen to that. It's why I avoid most wide-distribution food products and tend to eat and buy local where possible.
>>57435318You get banned from some websites for calling someone a SJW. They sure as fuck aren't proud of the monicker.
>>57435457Any word gets used enough its use spreads. That's, like. How words work???? That doesn't mean it is this poisonous and scathing thing that will bring the moderate to bigotry you are pretending it is.
>>57435519Announcing that you are probably A) a bigoted asshole or b) trolling is usually a good way to get banned from places. More at 11.
>>57435496>Also don't forget that bystanders don't exist!
>>57435532No, that's how *successful* words work. Words that represent things that folks deal with and communicate about. There are plenty of attempts to coin a neologism that fail utterly. That happens more often than not, in fact.Also, explain why you are claiming that I am stating that the usage of "SJW" will "bring the moderate to bigotry".
>>57435552A single word being received as "you are being a bigoted asshole when you say this word" typically indicates a massive lack of pride in that word. Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
How does it come to be that one needs to pay 15 bucks for 40 grams of crickets when they are rumored to be so efficient in production ?
Not quite cyberpunk by my jovian chronicles campaign currently has the reviled Nutriloaf and Nutripaste. Both feed you but taste like wet cardboard and/or woodpulp. Skilled cooks can dress it up but, its still not the best thing in the world. Mars, the orbitals and mars all have decent food and Venus has generally fungi based food stuffs and catfish based protein patties.
>>57435580:3 I'd rather eat grubs as a high efficiency protein source.>>57435605>effective political signalingEven if you are attempting to say you just want people to not support basic human decency so you are trying to convince the moderate that SJWs are bad people that is still, in its function, to get those moderate folks to support bigotry. I thought that part was pretty clear.>>57435631Supply/Demand. Also, I can get like a pound for 15 dollars in places, I don't think it's 15 for a tenth of a pound unless you're getting some botique crickets.
>>57435774SJWs aren't for basic human decency, they're racists and homophobes who want to infantilize and control minorities so that they'll follow their political whims.t. gay haitian
>>57435765Mars having decent food as in Earth comparable? And I suppose that actually brings up an interesting consideration. As space often crops up in cyberpunk settings (whether we're talking orbital or other-world colonies, or just as a use in travel) how do folks imagine those changes would actually impact food? Like, are the blandl loafs and pastes just travel food? Staples?
>>57435774Pound for 15 bucks sound way more reasonable, have to do some digging to find better prices.
>>57435774Great, explain where I said I want people to not support basic human decency and you're getting somewhere. And no, assuming that your path to your ideals is the only possible road to "basic human decency" is not an acceptable answer. That is how you craft the ideological foundation to an authoritarian regime. Just add violence, and you get the real thing.
>>57435825While I'll admit that different regional groups probably have differing motivations, that's like saying all feminists are TERFs, which is not true. And in my experience (US, PNW, Alaska, Military in various parts of the country and overseas) what you see it used as is a way to try to shame people who do, in fact, want basic human decency. It is a rather complicated thing, politics and communication. Also, a lot of America's "political left" is just "slightly less to the right" so I guess there are probably people who self identify or are otherwise accused of such things.I imagine one way or another there are better terms for those folks.
>>57435879>what you see it used asNope.If he saw the same events that have shaped your views on this topic, I get the feeling he'd still have his views. You're trying really fuckin' hard to see shit in a certain light here. Making some wild assumptions to support literally every assertion you make, y'know?
You guys should get a room already.
>>57435907>If he saw the same events that have shaped your views on this topic, I get the feeling he'd still have his viewsYou're getting into some heavy nature vs. nurture shit there, buddy. I can guarantee whatever you believe isn't an objective truth, it's a product of your upbringing and experiences.
>>57435838First Cricket Flour result on Amazon is 16.95 for 454g/1lb. But that is blended. Most "ready to eat" options you see at about 40/lb, which is closer to about 3.50/40g. So I guess the price has gone up for some of it since I last was looking into it as a food option.Don't know about how much it would be for a pound of unprepared crickets, though. Because you basically can find online for live or read-to-eat.>>57435878Obviously, given the fact that in this thread I've barely pushed my ideals and have supported various other groups which I am not affiliated with when they were attacked should illustrate that I don't assume there is only one way to reach basic human decency. However, the attacking of a group because they are fighting against intolerance (which is literally required for a tolerant society to survive) in order to prolong the status quo (of intolerance) does kinda sound like you are not wanting people to support basic decency if you think SJW is a valid insult and that using it as such doesn't make someone appear fuckin' stupid.
>>57436046>on this topicDawg, I ain't even disagreeing with you as a general thing there, I'm saying on this set of notions specifically you have been ensnared fully by a fringe ideology and it filters your perception differently and more heavily than you're expecting. All other experiences intact, if that dude witnessed the specific events you saw as "a way to try to shame people who do, in fact, want basic human decency," there is a very good chance he'd look at you like you're a maniac or a liar.
>>57405013So an important thing to remember is that part of the late capitalist culture that's inherent to cyberpunk is the commodification of everything.Grocery stores are packed primarily with ready to eat food. Generally speaking, these are all prepacked meals, though if you feel like spending a bit more you could buy things ala cart. It's all ready to be thrown in a microwave and nuked. But here is the thing to remember about it: everything is about making money. No matter what, you're basically getting the cheapest, shittiest version of whatever you're buying. Then after that, it's tiers of quality and style. The meal of an impoverished nobody is mostly just fillers with some artificial flavorings to make you think there is some variety to your meal. When you start shelling out more, you hypothetically start getting better food. But of course, that is also a bit of a load as well because dumb "health food" misinformation is shuffled in your face to make you believe that something made out of soy and apple juice is super nutritious and NOT just the fillers of yesteryear being sold at a premium now.Eventually, once you're really willing to shell out, you get to the good stuff. Real, actual food. Food that will need to be prepared. Cooking is a luxury now. Hell, most apartments don't even have real kitchens now.This is before you bring in things like fast food. There is a taco-bell equivalent for whatever niche food you want to order, and for most people this is the closest thing they'll get to going to a restaurant.
>>57435838>>57436064Addendum, I've seen estimates that about 1000 crickets = 1 pound and assuming that means 1" crickets, I can get 1lb of live crickets for 19 dollars + shipping. I would imagine I could get it for less if I was able to source it locally. So yeah. Reasonably cost effective still.
>>57436079Bruh, I wasn't even the guy you've been arguing with, I don't have a stake in this. But that said, if you can't find a way to empathize with people whose motives are equality and human decency even if you don't agree with all of their goals or methods then I think you're projecting a little about being ensnared by a fringe ideology.
>>57436079No, >>57436046 is pretty on it with the fact that if we were exposed to the same things regarding this topic and context we would likely come to similar conclusions. Yes, obviously tinted by external feelings, but that also wouldn't change the objectivity of the situation, either. You wanna accuse one side of being ensnared in a "fringe ideology" in a discussion while defending how a different "fringe ideology" ensnares people and makes them think ridiculous, hateful things things. Like, Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle here.
>>57436064>However, the attacking of a group because they are fighting against intolerance (which is literally required for a tolerant society to survive) in order to prolong the status quo (of intolerance) does kinda sound like you are not wanting people to support basic decency if you think SJW is a valid insult and that using it as such doesn't make someone appear fuckin' stupid.Okay, this is going to take a fucking while to digest...>However, the attacking of a group because they are fighting against intolerance1) Do you think this is what is happening? 2) Why?>(which is literally required for a tolerant society to survive) 3) Is an active struggle against intolerance neccesary for a tolerant society to survive?4) What form can an active struggle against intolerance take, that will not in and of itself breed further intolerance?5) Can it be morally justifiable to attack (let's say nonviolently, as violence fucks up the discussion far too much) a group that is fighting against intolerance, but also has associated amoral ideals? Would you be happy to support a tolerant man who wants to fist a kitten apart in Times Square? >in order to prolong the status quo (of intolerance)6) Why do you think the status quo can in any way accurately be summarized as "intolerance"?>does kinda sound like you are not wanting people to support basic decency7) So I'm glad you've sorted that IF your massive assumptions are correct then I am not for people supporting basic decency. Pity that your assumptions have some massive holes.> if you think SJW is a valid insult and that using it as such doesn't make someone appear fuckin' stupid.8) And we loop back around to you saying "You're DUMB!!!!!11111"And once more, I am stunned by your skill in argumentation.Also, one last bit-->Obviously, given the fact that in this thread I've barely pushed my idealsPfhahahaha, okay, pal. Then again-- You probably think of me as a Republican, and that's funny, too.
>>57435827Honestly Earth food is arguably worse than Mars food. Earth got royally fucked by itself. The orbotals around actually feed a lot of earths population. Or at least the arcologies.
>>57436081Definitely important to remember commodification and pushing the market to a breaking point, but some of those things aren't likely to fly over well as clear divides.Appliances as a business won't go away, so mini-kitchens and the sale of cooking appliances as status symbols will be a thing if the well-to-do are the ones who make real food. So people will want to pretend that they are in that sphere. Bam, commodify real kitchens as the ideal in addition to real food.It's predatory capitalism at its finest, lower the bar so far to make a buck and then repackage what people had before as luxuries and market them at all levels. If there is one thing this generation has shown it is that poor folks will shell out for comforts, especially food, even while cutting back on other things. I don't think that is a market sector a megacorp would be likely to miss.
>>57436235What "ridiculous, hateful things" is the opposing "fringe ideology" thinking? Please define this "fringe ideology" I'm actively defending. Also, you think you define and hold your beliefs completely independently of one another? For real? Wow. That's another fucking wild claim. Or are you just ignoring "on this topic" to hammer home the shit I already responded to?
>>57435879You're making the mistake of thinking when people call out SJWs they mean social justice activists. They don't, they mean doxxers and cultural marxists who harass companies and personalities for not being far-left and "progressive".
>>57436169Bruh, you can phrase literally anything as being motivated by equality and human decency. It is a set of phrases that you have had hammered into you to respond positively to in pretty much any context. Literally the only thing that matters when people start talking about that shit is their goals and methods, because it is a huge fucking flaw in how we think, okay?
>>57436316Oh, I thought of something horrifying that would definitely exist in a cyberpunk setting.So your shitty apartment has no kitchen, besides a place where you can warm up your food with a cabinet above it where you can store your dishes (as if you're not just eating it out of the packaging.)But you vaguely remember when you were a kid, you had a kitchen. You kind of miss it. And you'd pay to have that experience again.So you go to this place. You get to rent out a little gally kitchen with a little table, and they've got a fridge - just like mom had in the old apartment. You book a reservation, you show up, and now you're cooking.A "nice night out" is now paying for the privilege of being able to cook your own food. And hell, the food there is what we'd consider basic in our kitchens now.
>>57436422I just had the exact same reaction I did when I first heard about Papa Murphy's upon moving up to Colorado.
>>57436417Uh... no, I mean, you can say that any group thinks they're doing what's *good* and *right* and you'd be correct, but equality is a value and one that your average /pol/ type dude is very vehemently against.Pic for at least a little on-topic content.
>>57436501>equality is a valueIncorrect.Equality is a SET of values, many of which are contradictory, and taken as a set, can be used to justify literally anything.
>>57436241>You probably think of me as a Republican, and that's funny, too.I think of you as black and green text in a blue box on the internet.>1) Do you think this is what is happening? Popularly SJW is used against "Political Correctness" which is a verbally weighted way of "being nice to other people.">2)Why?Because being nice to people uniformly upends the status quo of white masculinity being the end goal when really it's mostly stagnation.>3) Is an active struggle against intolerance neccesary for a tolerant society to survive?Only when intolerance presents itself. If you are not intolerant of intolerance eventually intolerance will destroy the tolerant. This is known as the Paradox of Tolerance.>4) What form can an active struggle against intolerance take, that will not in and of itself breed further intolerance?A shared philosophy of "stop being assholes" self destroys itself and can easily be reestablished the next time people are being assholes. It is not an active struggle because it is not necessary once the instigators stop being intolerant.>5) Can it be morally justifiable to attack (let's say nonviolently, as violence fucks up the discussion far too much) a group that is fighting against intolerance, but also has associated amoral ideals? Would you be happy to support a tolerant man who wants to fist a kitten apart in Times Square?Fist fighting kittens is intolerance of the peaceable nature of kittens. The kittens cannot agree to a fisting, thus that guy is an asshole and is being intolerant of kittens. It is acceptable to be intolerant toward that man until he stops trying to fist kittens. 1/2
>>57436241Now, "associated amoral ideas" is outside the purview of being Intolerant of Intolerance, due to the reactionary Intolerance being a response to asshole things. Thus if someone who is fighting one kind of Intolerance (i.e., TERFs who are generally white women fighting sexism but are often not intersectional [they aren't also fighting against racsim and are specifically bigotted towards transwomen]) is supporting other forms of intolerance that person needs to be dealt with in the same objective fight against intolerance.>6) Why do you think the status quo can in any way accurately be summarized as "intolerance"?There are elements of the nebulous status quo that are tolerant. There are elements which are not. For something to be truly tolerant there must be no intolerance. Thus so long as the status quo supports forms of intolerance (sexism, racism, etc.) the status quo is one of intolerance.>7) So I'm glad you've sorted that IF your massive assumptions are correct then I am not for people supporting basic decency. Pity that your assumptions have some massive holes.Most assumptions are that way. However, given that we aren't comparing dissertations on the subject, we are limited to making certain assumptions until provided alternate information.>8) And we loop back around to you saying "You're DUMB!!!!!11111"We're on a web-based Bengalese basket weaving congress, oversimplifications for dramatic effect are fun. Regardless this would be an appropriate time for the "jokes on them I was only pretending to be an idiot" or whatever image. If it acts like it's stupid, talks like it is stupid, and presents like it is stupid, it is not unfare of me to consider it stupid.2/2
>>57436528This.Equal outcome literally contradicts equal opportunity.
>>57436528Which values are contradictory, exactly?>>57436542>I think of you as black and green text in a blue box on the internet.>not using night mode in a dark roomHow cyberpunk even are you?
>>57436652This just goes to show that you don't have a nuance understand of equality, as equality of outcome necessitates equality of opportunity. If opportunity is unequal, than outcome will necessarily be unequal.
>>57436314Given that usually Earth in such settings is a left behind locale, that wouldn't surprise me.>>57436344Any non-moderate group is a fringe ideology by the context you provided. Making assumptions about my political standings and what not, as they are obviously not centrist/moderate, thus all other ideologies are fringe. And if you were a centrist/moderate, why aren't you trying to appease both sides?>>57436383I understand it being used against people who use those actions. And people attempting to associate anyone who is just trying to get other people to not be dicks with it doesn't usually lead to a negative impact because it has grown so widespread in its usage that it's more a comical flag than anything. Where a term started and how it is used currently really tints that conception. Rare is it that I see it used against doxxers and people harassing companies and personalities, more often it's because Bob told John to quick telling sexist jokes. That is what most people use it as anymore.
>>57436542>Popularly SJW is used against "Political Correctness" which is a verbally weighted way of "being nice to other people."No, it's a verbally weighted way of saying "Morally authoritarian, thought-controlling bullshit which wants to use mob pressure to force things outside of its cultural purview to shut down." When the right was doing that bullshit, we called 'em the moral majority and gave ol' Pat Robinson shit over it.>Because being nice to people uniformly upends the status quo of white masculinity being the end goal when really it's mostly stagnation.Holy shit, this is actually how you see society? No shit?>Only when intolerance presents itself. If you are not intolerant of intolerance eventually intolerance will destroy the tolerant. This is known as the Paradox of Tolerance.This is nonsensical and assumes you live within a failed state, though. The purpose and function of state protections on life and given liberties is to prevent this very scenario. You're literally claiming that the democratic tradition doesn't work within nations, and then doubling back around to say "...so we should force it to work by undemocratic methods.">A shared philosophy of "stop being assholes" self destroys itself and can easily be reestablished the next time people are being assholes.People don't see themselves and their friends as assholes or wrong. Ever. So that's just incorrect.>It is not an active struggle because it is not necessary once the instigators stop being intolerant.Institutional inertia is a thing. In fact I'd argue that it's where a lot of your misplaced political hatred towards white folks comes from.>Fist fighting kittens is intolerance of the peaceable nature of kittens. The kittens cannot agree to a fisting, thus that guy is an asshole and is being intolerant of kittens.And this matters more than the legal concerns of civil society? Christ.
>>57436705>People don't see themselves and their friends as assholes or wrong. Ever.. . . That's a very weird way of admitting to everyone that you don't have friends.Yes, there are people who have friends who they think are assholes. Almost everyone has a friend who they do genuinely like, but is really just sort of an asshole.
>>57436692Equality of outcome impedes people with higher potential to achieve said potential and the opportunities that come with it.
>>57418517You know, on that note I'd also like to add that Mcdonalds provides another example of what I think would be 'good' cyberpunk food.The Filet O' Fish. It's literally just a fish burger, but it isn't a BAD fish burger: it's made out of the same cheap american cheese, old buns, but it's got REAL fish though in it and for some people it's their only 'actual' exposure or reliable seafood experience... And that's kind of where the sentiment begins for me; literally no one is going to be buying or eating actual fish, but they can go down to "Not Mcdonalds" and they can order a fish burger and get just a TASTE of what they were missing out on. I think one of the things people forget when writing their cyberpunk dystopias is that the top will always willingly trickle down disingenuous, but still enjoyable,little distractions or 'false' luxuries that keep the masses from turning violently disatisfied and I think the Filet O' Fish just perfectly encapsulates that philosophy.
>>57436422>>57436485This is great. This is beautiful. This is what this thread needs more of. That really encapsulates the packaging and marketing of life that is a great modern fear which stylistically hits all the right cyberpunk notes.>>57436501Is it sad this is actually making me hungry.>>57436652This is a common misconception which arises, usually, when someone is relying on subjective experience of opportunity v. an objective presentation of opportunity. This expectation usually manifests with someone feeling they have "earned" their position in life (Person A) would be cut down if others were provided more opportunities because their perceive those others as having not earned it (Person B). Though the effort presented is actually the same, the initial opportunity state of Person A was better than their perception of that state for Person B. Uplifting Person B to the same initial opportunity state of Person A does not negatively impact person A, but they are still negative toward Person B due to their isolated perspective.
>>57436705The guy is fully indoctrinated, stop wasting your time with him.
>>57436684>How cyberpunk even are you?More than I'd like to admit, less than I'd actually like to be. But my dog doesn't like the dark. So I keep the lights on.
>>57436825>This is a common misconceptionNo it isn't. Better people are given more opportunities because employers want them and are willing to pay them more to have them. Equality of outcome impedes employers from hiring the best people, colleges from enrolling the best people and people in general from making choices for their own self betterment because you're forced into the same level of success as everyone else.You people live in a fantasy world if you can't imediatelly see how tyrannical the very concept of equal outcome is.
>>57436896Not him. Equal outcome is tyrannical, but>Better people are given more opportunities because employers want them and are willing to pay them more to have themisn't true either.
>>57405013Everything is now made of Spam.Enjoy your Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam...
>>57436705>"Morally authoritarian, thought-controlling bullshit which wants to use mob pressure to force things outside of its cultural purview to shut down."I mean, that might be what people want it to be about. But then they'd have to actually find a way to support that argument. Calling someone out for being an asshole is none of those things. But that is most of what gets called "being PC."And yeah, fuck the "moral majority" folks, too. But a lot of people who were in that camp are the ones who cry about political correctness anyway.>Holy shit, this is actually how you see society? No shit?In a lot of ways. Obviously in a more nuanced fashion that I am presenting here. But I have no reason to lie about the fact that I think most white men out there are really not doing anything positive. Not that it should u>This is nonsensical and assumes you live within a failed state, though. The purpose and function of state protections on life and given liberties is to prevent this very scenario. You're literally claiming that the democratic tradition doesn't work within nations, and then doubling back around to say "...so we should force it to work by undemocratic methods."I said none of that. Actually. You are assuming that the state protections on life and liberties are being appropriately and evenly enforced. If uneven enforcement is your definition of a failed state, the US is a failed state. And the US is a Republic entity, not a Democratic one.>Institutional inertia is a thing. In fact I'd argue that it's where a lot of your misplaced political hatred towards white folks comes from.And inertia is also something that can run out or be otherwise impacted by external forces allowing things to stop! Fancy that. Also:>He thinks I hate white folks.>And this matters more than the legal concerns of civil society? Christ.If laws are unjust.
>>57436911Yes it is. It is not the entire truth of reality but it is true. Employers being willing to pay more just to have access to better applicants is the entire idea behind employment headhunters.
>>57436911It's true most of the time.Yes some losers get jobs because their daddies work for x or y company (ironically most of the people pushing SJW shit in media nowadays were hired through nepotism), but most industries hire the best person avaliable and every high competence industry participates in talent poaching.
>come here to check out cool future food ideas>political shitfestThis is why we cant have nice things isnt it...
>>57436992And that little bit that's not the entire is where we get the wage gap from. Which is a real thing, despite what /pol/ tells you.
>>57437017How the hell did this start anyway. I'm looking through this thread and I'm still confused.
>>57436896Enforced equal outcome is tyrannical, sure. However, you have to understand that there are many people who are not receiving their fair shot at any outcome due to inequal opportunity. Most opportunities are status based and are not inherent to the individual. However, if you remove variables you will get a more balanced system.Not gonna say that perpetual equilibrium of outcomes is even possible, but at the moment there are systematic factors which disallow an even starting point. This often leads to people assuming that because they got farther in life that they are better when usually what it means is motherfucker got a head start.
>>57436797Again, you lack nuance. You probably look at something like Harrison Bergeron and don't realize that it's a fucking satire.In order for equality of opportunity to exist, opportunity of outcome in necessary. If outcome is not equal, then opportunity will be degraded within a year. Those with will always be able to gain advantage over those without.Consider this dork to my left here. This man gets to have his own fashion line, and a company of people working for him not because he's a brilliant designer, but because he is an heir to a multi-billion dollar fortune Think of how many times the inverse has happened, how many brilliant minds have been squandered because they couldn't get the education they needed, or because they had to abandon their ambitions forever because that one windfall that would afford them the ability to take the chance never came.
>>57437034Someone said "SJW" and there was someone in the thread started flailing around screaming about how calling someone a SJW means you hate dark people or some stupid shit like that.So basically a SJW got offended that someone else said SJW.
>>57437034see:>>57429671>>57437017Honestly, yeah. I'd rather talk about dystopian future foods myself.
>>57437013I think most people with serious convictions would agree that identity politics of all forms are the home of failsons and faildaughters no matter which way you lean.
>>57437089What would you make the tagline for the fish taco if you were on the advertising board for a corporation?
>>57437077Correction: I said year, I meant to say generation.
Im going to post cool pics. Fuck both of/all of you shitcunts for ruining a great thread with you're bullshit.
>>57437108This doesn't provide me a lot to work with. As I don't know what restaurant style we're working with or whether or not the fish is really. With that? I'd probably tagline it something like this:>[Fish-related-taco-style-product](TM), make it your catch of the day!
>>57437034Some idiot who supports dystopian politics entered the dystopian food thread.
>>57437132And...one of the classics to start us off
>>57437034That's how cyberpunk works, Anon. We never asked for this.>>57437017Hey, it took a good long while to get fucked up, there's some nice ideas in this thread.
>>57437132Someone did say something earlier in the thread about taking away comforts/desired foods would lead to political upheaval. I guess all the bug talk got some people mad.
>>57437046There aren't 300M jobs in America. You need to force people to do jobs they don't want to do so that everyone has a job. SJWs think that's the way to make everyone happy. People who are not sociopaths know that's the way to make people revolt.
>>57437187Yeah, the first half or so of the thread was great. I enjoyed it, took notes, went to bed, woke up to the garbage fire that some idiots started. How fucking shit do you have to be to derail a thread so hard with your bullshit.Pic related is some replicas of the veg meat and polystarch rations from force awakens, i thought they looked cool as fuck.
>>57437228Is that 3d printed?
>>57437077He desserves it.Balenciaga, Oscar de la Renta and Armani were poor while Dior was rich, and the former had a much easier time establishing themselves as fashion icons.Money doesn't buy success. Otherwise everyone who wins the lottery would be as powerful as the Rothschild.
How has no one posted this?
>>57437309Yup, they're 3d printed desserts. Not exactly the most cyberpunk thing ever, but they just looked so fucking cool.>>57437317Too close to home, anon, too close...
>>57437244How are "SJWs" about forced work? If anything they're for the universal basic income side of things.>>57437273I really liked those ration bars. Apart from blue milk and cringeworthy romantic floating pears Star Wars really hasn't shown us enough food.
>>57437021Sure it is. Women get paid less on average. The missing part is that women mostly work lower paying jobs. When women work the same jobs and hours as men the generally get paid more.
That gun looking thing is an injector for portioned water, this is freeze dried space food.
>>57437316>He deserves it.No, he doesn't. His position isn't something he earned by virtue of being a brilliant designer. His position was effectively handed to him. He is the grandchild of billionaires, billionaires who spend millions trying to make sure that their dynasty will be set for generations with absurd amounts of wealth that they can pour into whatever silly vanity project of a company they want.To be clear, no one knows of Wyatt Ingram Koch because he's some brilliant fashion designer. He makes garbage like this.
>>57437349Luke had that ration box thing. I'll see if i have a pic.These are korean emergency rations made by datrex, the company that makes those survival biscuit things. Ive had some, theyre fine, freeze dried rice with meat and veg and a pack of chilli sauce. Rehydrate and enjoy.
>>57437355>It's just that women work lower paying jobs>It's not that women face problems acquiring higher paying jobs>Or are held to higher standards at those higher paying jobs>Or are made to put their entire lives on hold in order to keep, maintain and progress in these jobs.>There's no such things as a systemic problem
>>57437349Equality of outcome implies forced work, they're just too stupid to realize it.>>57437406You don't like his clothes, doesn't mean his company does't have a merit or desserves a place in the industry.
>>57437449You're wrong on both accountsOnce again, you're the sort of person who reads Harrison Bergeron and thinks that Kurt Vonnegut isn't fucking mocking you with every word.
You go into a building with nice cheery music. You pay at the front desk to a cute little girl. Then you are led to a small room. In the room is a little pod which you lie down in and close. There is no music. Everything is utterly silent and dark. Then you go to sleep and for an hour have a pleasant dream of eating very good food. Then you wakeup and leave. You never ate anything but it was the best meal in your life.
>>57437467>I and only I know how ALL the world works and ALL the people in the world thinkSJW/10Thanks for ruining the thread.
Lukes space ration from the star wars.
>>57437507Sounds like I hit a nerve.
>>57437438>Ignores the part where women get paid more when they work the sameSure smells like cherry-picking in here. And not at all like the thread topic.
>>57437507I'm not him, have never read this book, but it literally says "satire" in the fucking wikipedia article.
>>57437564It's almost like one of the problems is hiring discrimination or something
>>57437244But let me suggest this: Robots.
>>57437583Yes, congratulations, you can read the sidebar of a wikipedia article but of course, not enough to see that it's a short story rather than a book.But it's a pretty common read in the American education system. With a lot of people walking away not understanding that they're being mocked, instead taking the message of "they're trying to force us all to be retarded."
>>57437605https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-women-one-third-more-likely-get-hired-than-men-richard-rosserIt's actually more like the problem is you drank the kool-aid.
I imagine that people might grow their own food, or maybe food supliments, spirulina is easy enough to grow in a fish tank with some basic lighting and a cheap pump for circulation, krill was mentioned and that could be grown in another tank, tallapia that are fed on waste or food scraps scavenged from dumpsters.Maybe people convert their tiny shoebox apartments into kind of indoor farms, tanks and tubes and led strip lighting packed tightly into every inch, some small fruit trees or chilli bushes take pride of place, their produce demanding a premium price. Dehydrators whirr away in the back of the room, drying product to make it shelf stable, maybe powdering it and weighing it into mylar bags. Imagine a drug manufacture house but instead of drugs its food. Also...bugs.
>>57437634You think some funny business is going on in it? Like it's not actually a satire, or maybe the american public is stupid, or bad at critical reading skills. Gee, what a surprise.
>the bullshit is still going.Fucking stahp.
>>57437668Ooohhh, that just gives me chills.
>>57437701Clearly this is Taco Bell's doing, I should've let sleeping chihuahuas lie.
>>57437583Nobody has read said book other than him. It may be why he's so retarded.
>>57437605Yes, hiring discrimination against men.Women get jobs so easily they never push themselves to strive and therefore rarely get raises while men work their shit like it's life-or-death because getting fired may mean permanent unemployment going forward.
>>57437630For what purpose?Counter argument: Population control.
Industrious folks busy themselves making snacks and meals to sell, self employment is almost a given if you live in the bottom rung or the jungle, densely packed concrete towers, theres a market, a few credits to be made.People mixing tinned foods, packets, bulk purchased spices, produce bartered from one of the many apartment farms in the building. A living network of food production all within walking distance from your pod.Improvised kitchens and food carts pack the narrow corridors, smoke and steam and smell fill the air, tempting customers to buy something, all manners of food options are available, mexican style meals, cooked up by a mother while her husband is working for the sanitation crews. Plates run out to customers by her children, sometimes even delivered right to your door, if you're willing to pay for the service of course. simple flatbread tortillas packed with heavily spiced...meat? I think its meat...i hope its meat.Homemade noodle bowls full of hearty broth ladled up by a meek older man, thick glasses sit on his face, several repairs to his specks have been made, maybe by him, maybe by one of the other small home run businesses in the building. every steaming bowl served with a smile. He enjoys the busywork. His granchild sits at the improvised counter playing on some sort of handheld console.
>>57437668Corporate "Apartment Farm" raids when areas get too self-sufficient, while the power company is trying to protect them because they like the added income the extra electricity use brings in. I mean, canning/jarring/dehydrating food from an indoor garden is a future goal of mine personally.
Posting Homemade MREs
>>57437928You know it might be fun to play a game like Golden Sky Stories in a cyberpunk setting. You're not a runner but just a normal pleb doing slice of life stuff trying to take pleasure in the little things.
>>57437928That's just Singapore.
>>57437959>while the power company is trying to protect them because they like the added income the extra electricity use brings in.This is something I don't think we've seen much in fiction but is actually starting to happen IRL.Companies are now literally attacking each other through mergeplants so they can remove other companies not because they're direct competitors but because they offer a product or service that meddles with their bottom line and having them bought into the megacorp gives them power to remove said meddling.
In the snowpeircer comic theres a dude who had a rabbit farm. Theyre a good meat source for small space farming but you do need nutritional supplimentation. Theres a thing called rabbit starvation. Look it up."You can get a surprising amount of meat from a plump rat" he said, while gripping the rodent in his hand, holding it up to his face and smiling before slipping it back into the cage with the others. Butchers in less than...santiary conditions skinned and bones the critters with ease, the kind of skill you can only get by doing something a few hundred times an hour for years. The meat is stripped and either cut roughly into chunks, or ground, both products are bagged in heavy duty plastic and hastily labeled with a marker, scribbling the date and the weight on the outside before the air is sucked out and the bag is sealed. the compressed bags then packed into chest freezers and industrial fridges.Buckets of bones are ground and sold to the farmers to enritch their soil (if theyre so lucky as to have soil) or pelletised as fish food for another part of the empire. the skins are torched to remove the hair, sliced, deep friend then seasoned, transfomed into crunchy snacks sold by the bagfull to customers all eager to dig in.Ogans for the most part are fed to the other rats in some sort of bizare circle of life. I have to admit, the operation was tight, little to no waste, he really knew how to make the most out of the little fuckers.
>>57437980>implying real world inspiration isnt best inspirationThere are plenty of doccos out there about prison life...and i think theres inspiration to be had there. People making their own jobs, pressing clothes, cleaning cells, cooking meals even, like...in a scenario where you dont have a conventional job you have to come up with a service to provide in order to earn a little extra.
Imagine a reality where food is literally just calories to keep you alive. Where theres no joy to be had in eating.26 hours straight, 26 fucking hours, its inhuman, how can he be expected to work for so long in one go, he managed to sneak a half hour nap somewhere around hour 16 but still...all the stims cant be good for him but without them he wouldnt be able to work, hed pass out or something.But hes done, for now, hes got a whole 18 hours before he needs to be back there, 18 hours to himself, to do what he wants.He stops by the small corner store near his shitty apartment, suddenly the hunger hits him, when did he eat last? Tuesday? Monday? What day was it now...it dosnt matter.Whsts cheap, what can he afford? He flips bags and pouches around to read caloric info, he wants something in the 2000 range, thatll keep him going, he may not be full...but hell live. Processed soy and corn starch...the cornerstones of any healthy diet. 2 bags of corn chips will do, and he comes in under budget as well. Thats dinner sorted...or is it breakfast...he gets back to his room and just collapses into bed, fuck hes so tired...
>>57439499I think we reached the limit a while ago.
Is this thread archive-worthy?My vote says yes.
Another option is to have food distribution be organized by an I.A. Each citizen gets a certain amount of money to purchase food from vending machines and restaurants. The I.A. monitors what food gets purchased and makes sure you don't eat too much calories, fat, sugar or salt. Purchases of certain food can be denied depending on what you have eaten before. Alternative choices are indicated on the menu. Also, caloric allowance depends on social status and employment. Desk jockeys have x calories per day. Construction workers have more. Unemployed people just have enough to avoid starvation. Basic workers have access to synthetic food only, execs have access to fresh food.
>>57439735At least some parts of it. Probably enough to merit it.
>>57439986I think make it so that they've got it established as basically a meal planner, i.e., you get X servings of this and Y servings of that, and it's all synthetic, but execs and the rich just bypass it by being able to afford to have private growers and stuff, but it's more a secret and celebrities and the wealthy still advertise [food paste and/or bars] as if they eat it too. Though the volume based on type of employment is a nice touch.
Its always a gamble when you stand in the bread lines, you take your ticket and wait, shuffling forward a few steps at a time along with the rest of the huddled masses, hundreds of people, the line goes on as far as you can see. hungry souls go in one door then a few moments later they leave with a shiny plastic vac pac containing a compressed nutrient brick. The governments attempt to look like they care, base minimum effort to feed the lowest on societies ladder.More often than not supply falls far short for demand, bread riots are a daily event, they barely make the news except as a few words in one of the scrolling banners at the bottom of the screen. People always get killed when it comes to that, always. If your lucky enough to get a ration, if you get to stand face to face with the dispensary, its a good day. You shuffle through the door and follow the line, you stand on the clearly marked spot, the "stand here" circle on the ground, you feed your ticket into the machine, some mechanical noises clunk and whirr then out falls a shiny tightly wrapped brick, just what youve been waiting for. Now you get to collect it and go home, following the line on the floor back outside through another door as someone else enters, if your lucky youll get to do the same thing tomorrow, although getting a ration 2 days in a row is almost unheard of.As you leave you might hear a ruckus kicking up, people squabbling in line, fists thrown the crowd gets unruly, they must have run out for today...jesus...you think to yourself, look at all the fucking kids...You stop for a moment and look down at the glistening package in your hand, theres an internal twinge, a moment of hesitation, you shake your head as if to clear the thought of good samaratinism and tuck the ration inside your coat, time to leave, before the cops start shooting.
Compressed cereal and jelly bars, cheap chinese rations.
"It fell of the back of a truck" he said"Yeah, i can fucking see that, its got Cho branding all over it, do you know how fucked i'd be if someone calls this shit in" "They wont, dont worry about it, they wont miss one ration bag"This food would feed you for weeks, a weeks worth of 3 square meals a day for 2 men...thats what was in the bag, but its Cho shit...you dont fuck with those guys, you know theyve got eyes and ears everywhere, maybe you could take it out of the packaging...scratch off the barcodes and labels, leave the empty bag behind...This is too good of an opportunity to pass up...
Dont trust the label...
Mmm ham flavoured...
>when vintage reality is more horrifying than the dystopian fictionI legit like spam though, fond camping memories.
>>57440759>with natural juices
>>57440830It gets worse when you consider the 1950's molded food craze.
>>57440839Its a self heating meal tray from one of the space missions. Cant remember which one. Basically you put the little pots of food in the compartments then plug it into a power supply, warms your meal for you.
>>57440856>Select any 4 random cans from your pantry>set the contents in aspicSome of that shit is horrific. Too bad i cant find any pics at the moment, it really was a grim time for food.