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I've started trying to fill out the Old Earth section of the Notable Planets.Is it looking acceptable so far?Also what are the big features of Old Earth that need to be mentioned?
>>55066963Its getting increasingly close to being a shellworld as layers of infrastructure are added, though it isn't a non-euclidian clusterfuck like the Shaa-Dome
>>55067365And what of landmarks and shit?
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Are there any chapters that recruit from Old Earth?Is it just the IFs who have that honour of is it an everyone gets a slice deal? Or if the chapters are nowhere near as autonomous, for the most part, is it the case that none of them do anymore?
>>55068498>from a previous threadWe know that the Navigators all fucked off some centuries previously to the Jovian Orbitals for privacy.There is the Hall of the Astronimican under the Himalayas.There is the spire of the Imperial Palace in the great city of Moskgród (presumably once called Moscow).There is the tomb of Sanguinius still standing by the river.The Hall of Justice of the Adeptus ArbitersIt's safe to bet that the Administratum is less centralized so won't need an office building the size of a large Hive to function, that could be what the Imperial Palace mostly is.What else is there? If we are allowed to make additions that fit the fluff?Given the increased prevalence of shit like orbital tethers I'm going to put forth that Old Earth has The Daisy Chain. No that is not it's official High Gothic name, it's just what everyone calls it.The equator of Old Earth has orbital tethers at regular intervals all the way around it, each one having a substantial station and dockyard at the top, each a lesser hive city in their own right. The usual way they have grown has been to start by dragging an chunk of space rock into geosynchronous orbit and building from there. Usually this involves building out sideways in wings making the whole thing look like a giant metallic flower from a distance. The stations are connected to each other by a high speed rail line going between them in an unbroken hoop encircling the globe at over 22 thousand miles altitude.Population of the Daisy Chain is estimated to be in the hundred billion range, though it is not a static population. Each Daisy is a nation unto itself and a vibrant hub of trade and commerce, seen as the gateway towns to Old Earth itself. Typically ships and shuttles no longer actually land on Old Earth any more as even with a minimal gate toll the tethers are cheaper.The Daisy Chain is as close to Old Earth as Xenos are allowed to legally get without a permit.
>>55069498Technically, we don't have a Praetorian of Terran in this AU, Dorn being the Praetorian of his... ice-world sector already. And as Terra in this AU is not only the capital of the Imperium, the theoratically permanent seat of rulership and the pantheon of Isha, but also a massive psyker institution of Prosperean escaping the invasion of prospero. Thus, many accepted (aka not douchbags or managed to have enough friends) chapters recruit at least a good part of their Librarians from Terra, with the Thousand sons, Grey Knights and their successors taking up a rather large dibs.
>>55069882>The Daisy ChainI remember that discussion, I'm all for it
>>55070126The peoples of Earth, although having per head of the population more psykers than anywhere else in the Imperium and more overall psykers also, is still very much predominantly mundane. Most worlds are considered freakishly psychic if they produce a minor or latent psychic at 1 in 1,000 with something usable at 1 in 10,000.Old Earth accepted a lot of Prosperean refugees early on in in it's imperial history. Billions at the very least, possible tens of billions. Every one of them to the last man, woman and child being an active psyker, though most of them of minor capability.Now add to that that the Black Ships all converge on Old Earth and for every psyker that goes home there is another that can't or refuses to for fear of the mob or because they have made a life for themselves on Old Earth.The great psyker training institutions could very easily have been moved from Old Earth and distributed evenly across the galaxy, it would have been all the more efficient from a purely training point of view.But training is not the only reason for the current set up. Also take into account that the Psi gift is at least partially genetic and inheritable. The Imperium generally doesn't go in for the hard breeding programs if it has an option not to but there is no harm in encouraging and creating opportunities for young psychics to meet more of their own kind and for preference pair up with each other and start a family.So Earth's population, over the long march of generations, is becoming more and more psychic. Earth is the main breeding ground for psykers and psychic talent is one of it's exports and although in some future time the ratio may switch over to psychics being the majority it is a long way off.Grey Knights only recruit psykers, so Old Earth would be their primary recruitment ground but they refuse to allow Mundanes into their ranks all of whom are fair game for the other chapters.
>>55070644Also the Mk3S geneseed is more demanding than the Mk3MP geneseed. A neophyte could go through all the training and the S geneseed just not take to his flesh, but the MP would. This means that he would never be allowed into the ranks of the Knights of Titan but it does mean that he can be transferred to a different chapter as a show of good will between brothers in the Long War.Although this does raise the question of why the Imperium has not created a similar thing for the Pariah's given how useful they are and how obvious an idea it is.In Vanilla the moon of Mars Deimos was transported to orbit of Titan to be the personal forge of the Grey Knights and then all information on it destroyed so that they could maintain absolute secrecy. In this AU the Grey Knights have gone the road of Full Inspiration and march to war openly in gleaming silver armour. There are state subsidised films about them being badass for example. Grey Knights get their fine ass shit from the peerless workshops of Mars itself.Deimos in this Noble Darkness could be still a highly secretive place for the Imperium. It is still in orbit of Mars, you can see it from the surface once you get above the snog and the light pollution. And you can see the lights of the settlements. But what goes on there is not for you to know.It is the "homeworld" of the Pariah People. You don't want to visit there.Most Pariah's in active service to the Imperium are raised there, the ones discovered outside it's bounds typically move there to be with the only people not instinctively repulsed by them.
Have their ever been any Tau visiting Old Earth on a state visit?It would be a perception shattering event if there was, their entire Empire and all it's inhabitants would fit on that one world with room to spare and that without even touching the orbitals.It would dispel, at least for that visitor, and lingering doubts about the scale of thing and their tiny, tiny place in it,
I remember that there was a description of Old Earth in one of the previous threads. It was discarded for it having reference to the old nations still existing. If I try and clear that up would there be objections to using that as the base for the Old Earth section?
>>55073052sounds like a good base
>>55070719I'm down for the Deimos pariah colony. Sounds useful, and something about it gives a Man in the Iron Mask/Count of Monte Cristo vibe that works well in the setting
>>55073519It would not be a prison. They can leave any time they want so long as they take a vow of secrecy and can be trusted to keep it. They are not abducted to end up there.When their condition is discovered they are invited, beggar or outcast prince, to visit Deimos. Most stay or return not long later, it is the only place in the galaxy where nobody is disgusted by them for what they are.
>>55073942>They can leave any time they want so long as they take a vow of secrecy and can be trusted to keep it>They are invited, beggar or outcast prince, to visit Deimos. Most stay or return not long laterSounds good, and its still giving me Alexander Dumas vibes. Maybe Man in the Iron Mask is inapt, but still, dumas is the vibe I'm getting.
How deep can the digging into Earth's crust go before things like pressure squeezes tunnels closed?Would increased air pressure at those depths make it difficult to breathe?
>>55066206Are the Admech still around? If So, I would love to help.
>>55075814AdMech are the least altered faction from the original, more or less. They are slightly less bastardy but more because they know that they will get into at least some trouble if they goo too far. But they also know that they will never get into too much trouble because they still have an 80 - 90% omni-industrial monopoly.Which is not to say that the AdMech are united in this AU. Much as in Vanilla they are a cantankerous collection of brotherhoods many of which have been feuding for thousands of years. Unlike Vanilla the cracks are slightly less well hidden to outsiders.Mars was unified during the early days of the Sol Unification, when the unification made it off of Old Earth and out into the rest of the Solar System. Essentially Olympus Mons Brotherhood were the biggest and strongest and took the fuck over and slapped anyone who got uppity. They carried this attitude out into the Great Crusade and slapped into line any brotherhood that wouldn't willingly step into line with Mars.There are AdMech brotherhoods that do not follow Mars. Savlar Brotherhood, Strogg of Stillness and Hubworlder Engineers (squats) are all Omnissiah worshipers that despise Mars for example.
>>55076008>Strogg of StillnessUh, remind me what that is?
How much has been done on the orkbliterators? Are they separated by chaos god or are they orkbliterators undivided?
>>55077772https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notable_Planets#StillnessAdMech Explorator Magos by the name of Strogg finds a world that could make a good agri-world for his home forgeworld. Strogg and the Mechanicus hierarchy are having a bitter falling out.Discovers that it is inhabited by surviving underground fortified Valt-Tec style city left over from the Dark Age.Eventually discovers a Dark Age A.I. running the place. Sadly it's the equivalent of a Dark Age Tickle Me Elmo so it doesn't contain much in terms of the wonders of the ancients.A.I. and Strogg come to an agreement and apply for membership in the Imperium under the direct Aegis and Authority of Old Earth rather than as a Survivor Civilization because Mars won't risk nuking a direct protectorate of The Throne.Spend thousands of years annoying Mars by existing just beyond their reach.Emperor finds out about Elmo, decides to not tell AdMech.
>>55077827Not much. They would be as rare as they are dangerous and we know they are dangerous because they killed the last Primarch.Cyborks are not the most common thing as it requires a Mek of both skill and attention span. And it requires them to be Chaos Orks which are also not the most common thing.Oblitorators don't seem to need to adhere to any particular chaos god although it probably does have some connection to the Soul Forge as it is technological in nature.Also Old Earth is done for nowhttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notable_Planets#Old_EarthIs it acceptable? If not what should I do to get it to acceptable?
Do orks sleep?
>>55070719Given the rarity and continued rarity of Paraihs how many, roughly would there be on that moon
>>55081653I would estimate, assuming the Imperium is attempting to concentrate them, possibly seventy to eighty million? They're supposed to be rare. And I imagine there are concerns about concentrating this much anti psykery near the Astronomicon. No problems, yet. But the possibility is there.
>>55067365just like our 1d4 pages?
>>55071523It's possible nobody back home would believe him
>>55082801There is also the question of how often they breed true.A mundane child would probably be driven psychotic growing up in a high Pariah environment.
>>55084732This.Given their rarity and how much hostility they get from the rest of Humanity in Vanilla, Pariah seldom breed, let alone breed with one another.Carrying the gene isn't enough : it has to be active and we don't know how easily the Pariah gene can get activated.It might be as easy as blue eyes manifesting, with both parents at least carrying the gene and transmitting it, hence between 25% and 100% chances of activation.Or it might be more complicated, with a Pariah needing more than just a single specific gene activated, hence the smaller chance even if two full Pariah had a child.If it was very simple to just breed Pariah, the Culexus temple would have set up its own private breeding house for centuries.
>>55085592I would say that they are more likely to breed with each other than their numbers and random chance would suggest based on the fact that they don't seem to instinctively repel each other like they do to the normals.>>55081638Do cyborks dream of electrik squigz?
>>55078524So what is dwelling in those sunless seas and the dark tunnels about them?Also that pic. It gives me the sad boner.
>>55085592This just raises the question of what would happen to the normal children.also thinking about it does Jubblowski ever get to be a mother to her children?Is this a sad part of the Noble Darkness?
>>55087487If the entire colony is Pariah then they would have to take them away. You know how in Harry Potter exposure to Hoarcrux fucked your brain up? I can imagine it being like that to be in the Pariah field day in day out for years. It would fuck them up royally and would have no love for their family. Taking them away, to be raised by the Schola Progenium, is the best option for all concerned.As for Jubblowski? It is her burden as the Cadian Prophetess. But she would take some comfort knowing that they will be raised by royalty advised by the sisterhood.
What craftworlds need to be done next?
I have a question.How intelligent is the Khine Avatar? Can it hold a conversation.
Are there eldar pariahs or is it a strictly human thing?
>>55091335It can hold a very dull conversation about weapons, setting things on fire, or its victories
>>55092215>mandrakes is my guess. And vect nas the largest number in his employ. Its very important for maintaining Commorragh after the wedding.
>>55078524Hm. It's solid, but I'm not sure if that portrayal is too idyllic? Then again, Earth in this AU should be a legitimately decent place to live, so I can't quite put my finger on it.
>>55069498>>55070126I think there was mention that all the First Founding chapters can recruit from Old Earth, they rarely do. Mostly because Old Earth has the highest geneseed compatibility rate (the genesmiths and hippies and whatnot using Earthling as the "base" human genome) and the fact that the Imperium of Nobledark understands just as well as the Imperium of vanilla the importance of having the First Founding chapters around on morale.
>>55071523There would have had to be. Tau want to be in the conference room making the big decisions and an ambassador on Old Earth is a necessary step for that. Just like the various Craftworlds, Survivor civs, Tarellians, etc. do.Though I imagine the reports coming from the ambassador would sound ridiculous to the Ethereal Council. Something (ironically) like Marco Polo describing China.>>55082801In canon this was actually an issue. So many pariahs were brought back to Terra it started to dampen the Astronomican. Though it sounds like that number was at least in the thousands.>>55092215Unless otherwise noted, pariahs are due to Deciever and/or Necron (FUCK YOU ORIKAN) tampering with the human genome. Humans were ideal because they were belligerent and numerous while not being advanced enough to notice. Eldar would be wise to those kinds of tricks. Evolution seems to produce two mutually exclusive paths to dealing with the Warp: low warp presence (pariahs, Tau, Necrontyr, C'tan) or all psykers, all the time (some humans, Old Ones, Eldar, Hrud).
>>55097327Haven't read the 1d4chan thing yet, but if we need to balance it out there is the fact that Earth is target number one for two of the three biggest threats to the Imperium (Necrons being more concerned with getting to Cadia first). So there's always the worry that the next invasion is going to turn into the War of the Beast and Siege of Old Earth 2.0. At least in Ultramar or somewhere similar you could theoretically survive a broken Imperium.
>>55091335>>55093400The Biel-Tan one recieved psychic contact from a member of the Stormwind and wouldn't stop talking about its "chariot".
>>55093443Don't think that mandrakes are Pariahs.
>>55098203Any invasion at the current day would need to be a lot bigger than even the Beast's invasion though. One thing this anon got right >>55078524 is just how fortified Earth is by M41.999, designed by ol Perty with some help from Dorn to be one big ball of FUCK YOU to any future invaders. Thought that was a nice hive spire? Nope, it just transformed into a weapons battery that can shoot down ships in orbit. Now add to that the fact they've had 10,000 years to fortify the rest of the system as well. We already know that Mars and Luna are heavily fortified, but the asteroid belt is probably fully weaponized too, with Ceres resembling an Imperial version of an ork Attack Planet and every other asteroid big enough mounted with cannons. Every smaller asteroid is mounted with simple cogitators and thrusters so that any invading fleet is swarmed by millions of high velocity asteroids. And we haven't even gotten to potential fortifications for Jupiter or Saturn.It could be that they've even mounted massive warp drives to Pluto, and hidden it away inside the warp/webway (kind of like how Malcador hides Titan in the warp in canon) so that if any planet-size threat like the Beast's Attack Planet comes near Earth again they can launch an entire dwarf planet at it to blow it up.
>>55099271Perty was insane but he was also a genius. He also wasn't an inherently bad person. Oscar told him to rebuild Earth. He tried to not only undo the victories of The Beast but make the world better.
>>55099723I would argue that Perty was neither a good or a bad man. He was too mentally damaged for that to have any meaning. in his writefaggy story he considered himself a failure.He was Prince of Macedonia and that realms designated defender. He claims that the big reason he was pro-Imperium was because The Great and Everlasting Thrakian Empire would always be safe if it was cocooned inside an Imperium friendly and willing to defend it.Then it got set on fire and suffered 95% population depletion in WoTB. This sent him further over the edge and his instabilities cost him his job when the Warsmiths unanimously voted him out of the Legion because holy fuck. He had failed and was starving himself to death as a form of execution because he had failed at everything he had attempted.When Oscar offered him the most senior position in the rebuilding of Earth he was doing it not entirely out of kindness, though that may have been there as well, he was doing it out of spite.The Beast had broken Earth and therefore won. The Beast that had killed his nation. Perty was going to unbreak Earth and take away that win. He was going to unbreak Earth so fucking hard it would be not only as if it had never been broken but as if it could also never be broken. He would turn it into not just an impenetrable fortress that eats invaders but a fortress that people would love to live in.Beast thought he had won? The orks and Chaos celebrate the desolation of his world? His nation? Bitch please, he would choke them on their festive cheer.There victory would be fleeting and cost them high. His victory would be eternal and once those designs started being copied across thousands of more worlds the scope of it would be greater than they could imagine and every world made safe by his creations would be one more eternal victory for him and one more everlasting shame and defeat for them.
>>55100326That's why he was happy when he died. He had done something unquestionably good that would undo all his fuck ups or at least make up for them and it had made people happy, few people had ever been happy with him before. This plus it was a last spiteful kick to the balls to the hateful universe, a kick to the balls that would never heal or stop hurting.That's why he is celebrated across hundreds of worlds and that's why he is the Mad Architect.
>>55098220Erebus refers to his Blackstone Fortress as his Chariot of the Gods. The Blackstone Fortresses were made by the Old Ones and given to the eldar. Khine is waiting for an Old One pimp waggon with his name on it.There are two Talismans that people know of. The other is the Tomb of Horus.The third that nobody knows of is being studied by the Tau who don't know what they have found and won't report it until they have something to report.Any of these or one yet undiscovered would do as his war chariot. Given that their hearts dredge the warp for power Khine sitting in the command throne of a Talisman would give him a hell of a boost.The other possibility is Nightbringer. Nightbringer back in the War in Heaven accidnetely infected Khine when they fought. Both cut the other to the bone with their blades and a bit of NBs silver blood got into an open wound.The avatars are made of metal and might be the end result of the infection. The last remnants of Khine that fell into real space because neither Khorne nor Slaanesh could eat them with the last slivers of living soul hidden inside.Nightbringer is looking for his scythe. What is his scythe? If it's a space ship of some sort then it's very possible that via second-hand memories taken through infection Khine is also searching for this thing and calls it his chariot.It's possible that the scythe is the thing hidden behind the Gates of Vaul. If that is the case then good luck with that because Vaul was holding the Key when Slaanesh ate him, to get it you're going to have to cut Slaanesh open. Or another smith god makes a new key, pity the Soul Forge remains unclaimed by a god figure and there is no other smith god except the one the Mechanicus have chained up in the basement of Mars.Khine holding the Dawnblade and riding in his Chariot would be the Khine that challenges Khorne for the Skull Throne in the ascension of the Impossible Child.
Just what armanent and to what extent shall Old Man Zandrekh have? It was said he only have a single FTL ship...I... ahem, propose this: a very heavily pimped out Harvest Cruiser he painted pink and named 'Lady Betsy'. And talks to her frequently.Everyone thinks he's just being Ol' Zandrekh until they remember what the ship is made out of (LIVING metal) and/or see how much ass this fine, petite Lady can kick: Zandrekh, through insanity, his bug-hunting career with Kryptmann and Kryptmann's insanity, had somehow managed to fit the ship with so much dakka (from multiple factions) that Orks weep upon seeing it.
>>55102266Whatever ship he would have would be the vintage version of it because, as and old country gentlemen, he would have a preserved classic vehicle bought out for special occasions or for touring his estate in.It would not be the top of the range, it would be a piece of vehicular art, lovingly maintained.Additional weapons systems would be added so long as they are in keeping with the rest of his yacht. They would likewise be lovingly maintained.Nemesor Zahndrekh is touring around in a weaponized equivalent of a classic Bentley, as befits a gentleman.
>>55101700We already pretty heavily implied the latter, the Scythe was the embodied Nightbringer's inertialess-drive flagship, which Khine had been able to steal when they clashed in the War in Heaven.
>>55102536In the vein of this >>55103390, an inertialess drive ship in general is a rare and powerful sort of capital ship, an artefact of pride for any Necron Lord. Nemesor's beloved touring ship would still have a full accompaniment of Dolmen Gate ships following, and even if its more of a luxury vessel its would blaze through systems like the wrath of a god. The Scythe, should Khaine or the Nightbringer ever reclaim it, would be on the power level of a Culture warship, which I think would be a good mark for a 'top of the line' War in Heaven era Necron battleship.
>>55103518>>55102266How many individual necrons of person levels of brain power are there in Zandrekh's realm?I can imagine the other lords stripping a lot of their autonomous nature out of their subjects and suppressing personality. Zandrekh not so much. Firstly because he's not a robot and neither are they and secondly because a Lord must look after their subjects and their is such thing as proper behaviour.I'm also assuming that the Nemesor sees his people as flesh and blood also.
>>55103969Oddly I can imagine, all of his servants having enough of a kind to count as people. All fanatically loyal to him for fear of the Silent King psychologically violating them and putting their minds in cold storage for all eternity whilst he zombies their bodies around as mindless husks or handing them to more brown nosed personalities.Zandrekh does not have anywhere near as many soldiers as other Lords but they are more adaptive and can react to changing situations quicker.
>>55103969In canon Zahndrekh's court is full of Game of Thrones-esque shenanigans because they see the Nemesor as weak that Obyron inevitably has to shut down.Here there might be some of the same but no one dares touch the Nemesor, because if they do it means the ?Gidrim dynasty's brains get melon-balled by Szarekh. As nobles, they're not keen to be reduced to a cog in the post-individual Star Empire machine.Had an idea where Imotekh tries to show up on Gidrim to figure out why Zahndrekh isn't picking up on his calls. Obyron confronts him at the docks and challenges him to an honor duel because Imotekh won't hold things back and Zahndrekh will likely go into a full on Nam dog/Alzheimers-esque meltdown. So Obyron protects the old man out of loyalty. Obyron thrashes Imotekh, because in canon Imotekh has been described as only above average in terms of scythesmanship skills whereas Obyron is, to extend the GoT analogy, undead robot Jaime Lannister. Imotekh leaves because Obyron won the duel fair and square and that's the way Imotekh rolls.
>>55106027That is a beautiful image.Obyron could have been a gutter urchin that the Nemesor adopted millions of years ago in the days of the True Empire. It was always permitted that Overlords could appoint their own bodyguards regardless of origin or social standing. Most only took them from families they knew, trusted or had a history of loyal service and subservience to ensure that they were true to their duties and also to keep intact the divide between the lowborn and the nobility.Hiring a pleb as a bodyguard was so rare by the time of the years leading up to the biotransferance that most people had forgotten that it was even technically still legal.Zandrekh was also Overlord of a remote patch of the Empire so eccentricities are more excusable. Obyron therefore owes Zandrekh so very much. By all accounts he should have lived and died a penniless scavenger. Maybe Zandrekh caught him scrumping apples or some shit and offered him a job as part of the palace guard. Obyron eventually working his way up to bodyguard and then head bodyguard.Point is Imotekh was trained as a nobleman with rules of conduct in combat and the propper way to duel between gentlemen. Obyron is a knee to the groin, elbow to the gut, eye gouging, ear biting, dirty fighting elevated pleb whose only use for the rule book is an improvised club.The functionaries of Gidrim will not be trying to replace the Nemesor, they know that they are robots and as such will get fucked over instantly by Silent King override codes. Rather they jockey for positions in the advisory council and in the administration of the Gidrim Estate, everyone wants to be as close to him as possible. Old Man Zandrekh knows that most if not all of them are sycophants but what can you do? He knows that although they will fight among themselves to who gets to be firstmate of his ship they won't mutiny against him and they won't allow risk to the ship.
>>55107387Also if any of them starts to get too clever or does things too risky Obyron is always there behind his masters right shoulder, a menacing figure in chrome and gilt.The arrival of the Imperial Representative team and Ambassadorial staff annoyed a lot of courtiers as it was an intrusion in their comfortably insular games. Overlord Zandrekh quite likes the Imperials as they are way less ass kissy and two faced than his own court is.The jobs typically held by his people areCrew of the Lady Betsy and the few support craft he has, all of them lovingly maintained classics.Warriors of the realmBodyguards and palace guardsPalace maintenance and cleaning staffButlers, servants, maids and suchKitchen staff (including food tasters)Administrators of the blue-skin (Tau) colonyGarrison and Sentinels of the blue-skin colonyRoyal gardener and assistantsWeather-watcherRoyal architect and masons and other associated artisansKeeper of the MinutesKeeper of the library Royal CalligrapherMaster/Mistress of tapestriesPalace physicianLaw-master/mistressLore-master/mistress (and specialists)Spymaster/mistressHead CryptekKeeper of the VehiclesKeeper of the FishAnd a whole host of lesser titles that the Nemesor is half convinced they made up to give them something to do.
I thought we had too little on vampires, so here's something quick. >Enter Clearance>Password: *******************************>Verifying...>Commencing biometric scan...>Verified. Welcome, Inquisitor.>Opening file...OPERATION: OLIVE MERCURY FOXGLOVE (Melon Mouse 76)SOURCE: Ordo Hereticus, Watchtower MAGGOT XANTHIC LEAD AUTHOR: Interrogator CORAL RHYTHM Presence of a Deceiver-strain C'tan vampire has been confirmed. Necron-origin nanomachinery typical of Deceiver-strain vampires has been identified through clandestine blood sampling throughout the lower nobility of Vesp Vonn. Full extent of the infection is currently undetermined. Based on analysis of social interactions between known vampires, Subject Zero is currently presumed to be Viscount Marchant, a known collector of strange xenos artifacts.At present, direct action is impossible; without the ability to execute a clean sweep an extended civil war is a likely result of any incomplete purge. I am currently contemplating possibilities for more clandestine action. >End file
>>55109704It's looking good. Is there moar?
>>55109774Maybe. It's not quite coming together yet, though.
>>55109839You've gotta include orikan's pyramid scheme
>>55110231I hadn't even thought of that. Thanks!
>>55110231Wanted to mention this last thread, but the suggestion that Orikan's pyramid was, itself, scheming? What would that look like? Some kind of cross between Castle Heterodyne and Starscream, impregnated with a shard of the Deceiver both as the ultimate security system and a means to keep Orikan on his toes?
>>55110769Possibly something not too dissimilar to the floating upside down pyramids in Requiem, minus the eyeball.
>>55110827Yes eyeball. Then we can have the illuminati pyramid.
>>55110769Possibly it's the 48 hours of no sleep talking but are Orikan and his pyramid turning into Pinky and the Brain?
>>55111043More like Sith Lords. Orikan has a fragment of the Deceiver as the A.I. in his pyramid. The fragment will try to betray Orikan and take over the operation, even if Orikan is a Deceiver vampire, because it's a fragment of the Deceiver and that's just how the Deceiver does things.If Orikan loses against the pyramid, then obviously he wasn't very good at his job (or he just uses his bullshit time travel/divination, which also works). But for now the pyramid does a fantastic job at keeping out the riffraff.
>>55111306Exactly how bullshit is Orikan's divination, anyway?
>>55113801In canon, he makes predictions. If they don't turn out like he plans he goes back along his own timeline and overwrites his past self and makes those predictions occur. To preserve his reputation as being 100% accurate.He predicted a lot of stuff happening without that, including the end result of the War in Heaven and many events in the 41st millenium (obviously in this AU the tyranids fall outside this as per usual).
>>55113940Outright time travel should probably be more limited than that.
>>55111306So the pyramid is fully sapient?
>>55103390So it's a distinct possibility that in the non too distant future Khine + Dawnblade + Chariot is going to be squaring off against Nightbringer + Scythe in a duel that will leave whole sectors of space a different shape?Shit's going to get very real, very fast. Especially considering that the winner takes on Khorne.Who wins the 1st duel will rely a lot on who has the most friends to call on. NB has his vampires, a small number of necrons in his service and Death Cult renegades. But he is the 2nd least broken C'tan and will have the old Necron Empire's best ship ever built.Khine will have the Imperium with lots of lesser ships, lots of lesser warriors and is less powerful but will have Vaul's last blade and an Talsiman of Vaul.In the last thread (?) it was speculated that if Khine wins Lofn is going to hijack the astronomican and use it to death-star laser a beam of weaponized calm at the Skull Throne.Maybe.What else can be in the star child prophesies? I'm thinking of putting together a chart with all the tidbits linked by string.
>>55116334I would say yes. It is also as big as the other autonomous shards of the deceiver but as it is threaded through and about the structure of the original pyramid it's too diffuse to take humanoid form.Given that it is threaded through the pyramid it is more powerful than it's peers but due to the pyramid being made by Orikan it is bound to him. Sort of. It can't disobey a direct order but it can get quite creative with interpreting those orders.Given that it is cultivating way more Deceiver Vampires than any other shard, each of which could potentially become a full grown shard in it's own right but bound to Pyramid-Deceiver it could be looking to dominate the other shards with the long term goal of cultivating enough of itself to re-amalgamate into a fully restored C'tan, or something close to it. Then it will be simply too great to control and Orikan can go fuck himself.Orikan undoubtedly knows this and may have contingencies (that Deceiver-Pyramid has almost certainly discovered and he knows it and it knows that he knows) but he isn't going to stop the process, not yet, because so long as he controls the Pyramid-Deceiver he has strong influence over the new Vampires. At least for now.Possibly when Judgment Day comes It's going to be a Cegorach, Deceiver, Tzneetch brawl of sorcery and Just As Planned for who gets the crystal labyrinth.
(1)His dull old eyes gazed at the snarling Alpha Ravener facing him down, yet see it his eyes not.In his few moments of greater clarity, Boaz Kryptmann remembers.Glimpses of happier days through the pink-coloured lenses of a child. Faces full of laughter and life, faces he no longer remembers. Even the laughs are disjointed now, white noises too far off to his ears yet he knew, he -knew- in his heart what they meant. He was loved, once. He loved them. Still.Gaunt muscles moved unconsciously, following patterns drilled into every fiber of his body, a dash sideway narrowly dodging the beast's raging rampaign and the Heartseeker arced through the air and carved into the Tyranid's hide and flesh and soul. The beast shrieked, retaliating with a mad swing of its limb. He swung Heartseeker again, attempting to parry its next attack, yet a ghost of a woman touched at his face marred with countless scars and crow-feet. Auburn hair and olive skin and a carefree grin from ear to ear, a strangely warm feeling pricked at his bosom, a warmth much unlike the scolding hot rage of his soul. Mirthful. Light.And for a brief second his ever present anger subsided his sword arm slacked and the sound of metal being rend apart torn through the air. Every souls (and not) on the Lady Betsy hanging in orbit gasped as the Tyranid's claw that could carve apart Land Raiders punched through the power armor reinforced with living metal. Acid flooded into his veins, burning like promethium, and his vision was filled with red and yellow spots, the colours of flame, and of the purple tide of Tyranids that had engulfed his home.And in his greater moments of clarity as the Alpha Ravener held him down, Boaz Kryptmann remembers how Tyran burned.
>>55077927How augmented would a Strogg Soldier be and what level of influence would Elmo have over them?
>>55119865Is there moar?
>>55120502Writing. Too late already, might be tomorrow. Srry.
>>55120162None directly and it is necessary Elmo remains as secret as possible.
>>55110827On the subject of Dracula what is Mephiston like?
>>55116950>What else can be in the star child prophesiesVect and Malys have a nasty threesome with Oscar's undead Golden Man corpse and spawn the ultimate lord of terror, and the impossible child turns out to be the doom of the galaxy
>>55120162Their cybernetics are probably on par with Savlar's cyber and bio-augmented guard, but serve as general troops instead of Savlar's very specialized extremophile advance recon.
>>55116950The dragon will throw off his chains and make war upon those who intrude upon his kingdom (not sure if I remember it right).The Lord of War will rise from his throne to do battle once more.The exile will return from their long banishment.
>>55122432Who is he Exile?
I swear I am working on the Star Child Chart.Having to Archive delve.
>>55125852So the only correction I can think of is that the chariot Khine is waiting for probably is The Scythe, and his fight with the Nightbringer will be for mastery of it. The silver blood in Khine is part of what let him originally make off with The Scythe, and the ship is itself an important chunk of the Nightbringer's full form, so Khine having the blood to control it is almost akin to having a Nosferatu silver. The victor of their battle will be able to claim the other's assets, so either the Nightbringer claims Khine's portfolio as a warp god or Khine takes power over the Nightbringer's fractal form, and the winner goes on to face Khorne as a god of empirical and empyrean power. The same apotheosis is possible in the struggle between the Deceiver, Cegorach, and Tzeentch.
>>55123627it could be the Craftwolders reclaiming the Crone worlds, it could be the return of the Silent King, it could be mankind reestablishing the capital on Chthonia, or the Men of Gold returning from wherever they vanished to. There's a lot of things it could be.
>>55127216>the Men of Gold returning from wherever they vanished toThat one's easy to answer at leasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3at_Ev2kOoI
>>55127216It could be a lot of vague things.But it's probably the OutsiderSame thing with the Lord of War. The obvious answer is it means Khorne gets his fat ass off the Skull Throne and gets shit done. But at the same time, it could mean the Emperor gets his Warlord back on and once more strides forth to be more hands-on in his defense of the galaxy.>>55127178Another possibility to consider is Ynnead somehow obtaining Nightbringer's scythe to complete the death god image (and if he is the Impossible Child, to tie into his liminal status) and using it to drag Slaanesh off to metaphorical hell. But that requires Ynnead to be born, to be the Impossible child, etc.>>55125852There's also the possibility of Erebus getting lucky with a murder knife and offing Oscar. The Starchild Prophecies tend to predict Oscar and/or Eldrad dying as often as they do coming out alive.
>>55127672I doubt it would be Outsider. Outsider want's to be forgotten and is against the whole idea of ever doing anything.The only thing that could motivate him is siding with Silent King as it's probable that only things with souls count as knowing about him. No soul things, from the warp point of view, "know" about him as much as a foot print in sand know boots.>>55125852Looking at it, this is very much a very incomplete 1st draft.
are there any other eldarxhuman couples aside from the two famous ones?
>>55130157Yes, it is rare due to population demographics and so far Taldeer and LIVII are the only ones to have had a child
What are Gork and Mork doing in all this or are they just ignoring the whole thing?
>>55127672Would Oscar be directly in the final confrontation with the gods?Part of me wants to say no because he is operating at a power level beneath the others but part of me also knows he isn't going to let Isha go it alone against Nurgel.Also he can take all the Custodeus and Handmaidens with him as he acts like a waking Gellar field. He's danced this dance before when he was little more than a child.Also we probably need some sort of Map of the Realm of Chaos at this point.
>>55127672It's probably Eldrad going to die considering how old he is and that he has also independently predicted that his death is possibly only days away.
>>55132983I would say that they aren't doing anything that relates to the Chaos gods. Khorne was sent in the old days to go collect them and get them back in line, he failed. As this was during Gork and Mork's formative years they became independent of Chaos. This and their power derived from the most bountiful source in the galaxy, the orks, ensure that they are always too strong to be brought back in line also. They just brawl out in the Wasteland, occasionally rolling into the Realm of Chaos proper to accidently flatten a path through it and then back into the Wasteland.
Anyone here remember these guyshttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/ConservatorsThey were pretty Nobledark as chapters go in that they had been shit on and beaten raw but remained good people. Also suspiciously good terms with the eldar.They would fit into this AU almost as they are.
>>55132260I think it was said that the most frequent are Cadian-Ulthwe pairings due to close proximity, frequent contact, and cultural similarities.
>>55136805Also the brevity of life and constant threat of mortality makes them more likely to take their fleeting pleasures where they can, tomorrow they could be worm food.Tellingly children of Cadia are usually communally raised as so many are either a product of a one night stand or orphans.
>>55137238Yeah, on Cadia the average lifespan for Eldar and Humans gets pretty similar in length.
>>55133843Eldrad knows he is going to die.He's got plans involving it. He's going to gate crash his own funeral. Too many people would be relieved by his death and we can't have that.
>>55138855Forgot to mention. In the writefaggatory he has already stated that he will not see Lofn with his own eyes, that's as little as a few days away.
>>55139131It says he hasn't seen her with his own eyes yet, because she's, you know, in utero. It says he's only seen her face in farseeing visions as of yet. Of course, him dying without ever seeing her is a very real possibility.
So in all of this fighting between the gods what is Be'Lakor going to be doing?He hates the Chaos gods because they are what he feels he should have been, but these other gods moving in are likly going to be just as bad.He is also the last of the Old Ones and is therefore rightful heir to everything in the galaxy.Currently stuck in a ruined old fortress out in the Formless Wastes and his only company is the warp equivalent of deep sea fish.Whose side will he be on?
>>55140946He might throw in with Malal and the Outsider to fuel the absolute dissolution of the pantheons he views as major threats (C'tan and Chaos), or with the Imperium because he thinks he can dominate the surviving Eldar gods and Oscar, only to fuck up like he did during the War in Heaven. The origins of Khorne say he was one of the leaders of the Old One project that birthed the war god, and in the act essentially Gendo'ed his entire society.
>>55133478A map of the Chaos wastes would in-universe be subject to change and interpretation but for the sake of a map then it would be split into 4 roughly equal segments with intermediary space between them and the Impossible City (the one once destroyed by Kaldor Draigo).The residences of the 4 main gods would be in the center of their domains with a road going directly to the Impossible City. Another road traveling across their realms in a big hoop connecting Skull Fort, Mansion, Palace and Dark Tower. Seen from above the Realm of Chaos should look like a wheel with 8 spokes, the Mark of Chaos Undivided.The roads coming from the Impossible City to the residences keep on going outwards infinitely into the Formless Wastes and the Far Realms. The weapon forges of Khorne should be towards the outer edge of his kingdom, surrounded by plains of ash that trail out into the Wastelands.The Soul Forge, Gork and Mork, the desolate fortress and other such places are out in the Formless Wastes.Above in the sky (?) is a light. It is not a sun. Deamons hate it as it is an intrusion to this place. It is the astronomican seen from the other side, imposing some minimal order.
What should the grizzled old bastard Torias Telion be doing?He gave 0 fucks about the Codex so is he all up for the new Legio Primaris?
>>55140946Probably stay on the sidelines until he sees who is winning, then swoop in at the last minute to shank them while they are weak and win the prize. He has to pretend to care about Chaos as long as the big Four are looking his way, but that's it.That said, if he doesn't come out on top, a Chaos victory is the best for him because a Necron or tyranid victory means his death and an Imperial victory means the Warp is likely no longer safe for him.
>>55144432Does or should he have an end goal beyond being the most bitter cunt in the warp?
>>55119865Too lazy/ writer-blocked to finish it.For short:-Kryptmann enters ULTRA-PTSD-remembers how Tyran burned, remembers how his father, the 'retired' Arbiter (falling in love with his wife, cue conflict of interest and compromise of his ability to judge fairly ->auto retire as per the unwritten rule for Arbiters) gave his life to buy him time to run, how his sister was ripped away before his very eyes and his mother by a Ravener.-cue ULTRA-RAGE!!! Kryptmann. Mashes the shit holding him down to a literal pulp.-le'Zandrekh oblivious as always, saying they need to hunt down another Splinter fleet for another Alpha Ravener.
>>55144326he's probably coolmaybe he punch a chaos or something that'd be cool
>>55144326Probably the same, really. Anything from canon that fits in this AU can be assumed to be unchanged. To the guy that mentioned Mephiston, that's actually a good question since the black rage doesn't exist here, he would need some other traumatic test of willpower to unlock is his psyker powers.
>>55133478The mortals are the wild card in the war of the gods.Oscar proved that once when he rescued Isha.Before then from the point of the gods mortals were things to be effected by but not effect the lives of immortals. They were funny little things that would dance and play and burn and die for their amusement now and forever.Then The Raid. But immortals millions of years old don't change the habits of ages quickly. Chaos reigns supreme and always will. Right up until it will not, then they are going to realize just how foolish they have been. Oscar is going to return to the Realm of Chaos but this time he's going to be coming with friends and this time he's coming at the head of legions rather than with a few hundred and this time it's not a smash and grab mission. This time it's a killing day. The first time the Despot of Ursh went to war against the early Imperium in their name and they didn't at least make some limp wrist attempt to express any displeasure they had declared war on the Imperium by proxy.All of Imperial history, from the Great Crusade to the last Black Crusade, has been a steady escalation to the point where all the nukes get fired and it's Deicide time.Oscar will be there clad in plate and Warlord again.
>>55136802They would fit.Given that the AdMech are basically the same the only thing that would need to be changed would be that the lack of support is due to genuine reasons of need and scarcity in the face of increasing threats rather than being petty.Also Death Walker. Because when you have a chapter master known as Death Walker that looks like this you know shit is good.
>>55150602He might have found and overcome a Nosferatu sliver
>>55154425That's a really good idea.Add to that it being an unintentional infection from it in an un-deamonic possession type of way. A Nightbringer murder cult trying to infiltrate and take the Blood Angels from the inside. As the top Librarian he would be the first to notice if one of the mundanes was infected, especially when it gets to the stage when it starts messing with their minds.They find Mephiston, like in Vanilla, buried under a collapsed fortification wall.Mephiston lies their for three days writhing in agony as the sliver sits in his heart and the silver flows in his veins. Had he been a regular man or astartes he would have either died or been lost to damnation. But he is far from a normal man and considered powerful even by other powerful psyker veterans. He burns the silver blood and the sliver out of his body with witch fire doing no small amount of damage to himself in the process.Eventually the chapter retrieves whats left of his ruined form and inch from death, pale and withered to being almost skeletal with strange internal traumas, lacerations and burns. The colour never came back to him and although he got some of his bulk back he is abnormally gaunt for a Space Marine.So far he is the only person on record to destroy a C'tan Sliver after their own infection and survive.Many in the chapter suspect it altered his brain slightly. He was never particularly jovial before the incident but now he rather more grim than is pleasant to be around. Nobody is sure if the ordeal actually enhanced his abilities, as some but not he claim, as he was exceptionally powerful before.
>>55154975That...actually makes sense. C'tan are supposed to be weak to warp energy, and while Nightbringer has a warp signature, it's debatable whether a shard on the level needed to create a shard vampire would. Especially Nosferatu, since they're known to lack any major weirdness.
Do wraithguard have a fate? Farseers can read the fates of living things all but blanks. Can they see the destiny of the living dead?If Eldrad becomes a wraithguard he may be able to fate-stealth attack Indigo Crow, take his wyrdstone knife and use it as a deamon shanker.
>>55156352that will only happen if Eldrad beats the Indigo Crow to the punch, and defeats him before the Blue Cockatoo can.
>>55156338Did we ever decide what was happening with the planet Baal?
>>55156338There is also the possibility that the silver blood could have been passed from marine to marine in the blood drinking rituals of the chapter eventually infecting them all very quickly. In the end it has just mildly crippled one marine and made the rest of them more wary, the C'tan will not be able to try this one again with nay real hope of success.And Mephiston is crippled now compared to how he was. In terms of raw physical prowess he is nowhere near as fast or strong as he once was. When in the Gothic splendor of the Arx Angelicum with it's familiar old tiled floors, big airy windows and comfy library chairs he shuffles around in an old hessian robe like some specter of grim death. He is also possibly the only astartes that can get sunburn and he does so quite easily because of the compromised nature of his skin.He uses constant psyker buffs in battle to add weight to his punches and as he seems to have jumped up a power level this is truly fucking horrifying. Add to this the loss of so much body mass to the unnatural strength and what you have is something that not only has a punch like a freight train but moves at about the same speed as an inter-hive maglev. Needless to say he scares the shit out of the new recruits.Truth be told he scares the shit out of the veterans as well at times but they can hide it better.
Are the Geno Five-Two Chiliad still actually alive and active in the Dark millennium?In the Old Earth section it says they remember the Uxor but do they know what they were?
bump and run
>>55157115I was thinking because the destiny of the dead is done, their fate completed.Purple Pelican might have difficulty seeing him coming
>>55066206nobledark is not a thing.stop trying to make it a thing.
>>55167190Quite clearly you are wrong
>>55159749I don't think the mainstream Blood Angels drink blood in this AU, since the Red Thirst is gone too and it's honestly kind of silly in canon. The one chapter that would drink blood regularly is the Blood Drinkers who take the Sanguinius devotion to another level and drink blood to remind themselves of his sacrifice, which honestly grosses out the BAs and the other successor chapters ("guys, Sanguinius was great but he died like 10,000 years ago. Time to move on.")>>55156352>Undead Eldrad punching Chaos bitches and getting money in a bitchin wraithbone bodyFUND IT
>>55167818It could be that the Blood Angels and all their runty children used to drink blood but over time most have taken to drinking red wine.It could have been that the Vampire Mephiston would have tried to use his senior and exalted position to try and have the chapter adopt the older and easier to manipulate traditions.Blood Drinkers are a breakaway sect that decided to remain in the past and holding true to older and more extreme traditions. They do not get on well with the preachers and priests of Baal claiming that they have forgotten their roots. Blood Drinker hierophants are in all honesty probably pretty much the same as the priests of the old Dutch Jermanic nation but transplanted to San Guisaga which there is nothing about in the lexicanum so I can only assume is The Black Forest across much of it's inhabited surface.Baal is somewhat arid, slightly radioactive and has a thin o-zone layer but with great projects of irrigation and water management (think Dune) is greening up nicely. Main commercial export is red wine because of course it is.
>>55158347If no one else is going to do this I'm going to.I can't promise excellence.
>>55158347After the defeat of The Beast and the death of the Martyr Angel the people of the Duscht Jemanic were faced with a somewhat grim prospect. Much of their population had survived hidden away in bunkers and fortresses and hidden in remote location that by luck were not directly targeted. Although this was an undisputedly good thing it did present them with somewhat of a problem as much of their homeland was now not conventionally inhabitable. They needed a new homeland. They also needed a new ruler as true to their oaths many of the nobility had made the ultimate sacrifices to give their people time to get to safer ground.With no clear line of succession in the civilian government and Martial Law still in effect it was to the Legions that eyes turned for guidance and of those shattered ranks arose Lord Commander Landulf Valefor.By years end he had commandeered many ships of dubious functionality and guided by omens seen in visions filtered through the writings of his dead Primarch and friend the majority of the Jemanic peoples set forth to the stars in hope though not necessarily the expectation of something better.Almost at the exact coordinates derived from dreams and the visions of a dead angel was a world that in ages past had been the abode of man amongst the stars but now as a world of dust and dry wastlands but a world it was and poor as it was it had room enough and green land by gentle rivers enough for one broken nation of people. For the first time since the days of strife man set foot on a world they named for a dead leader, a world now named Baal.The world, though a considerable improvement on their distant homeland, was not gentle. Pleasant land by clean rivers it had but at great desistance from each other with vast tracts of wasteland between them where the wind and dust were as merciless as the sun.
>>55167190>I don't know about Star Wars.
>>55170677And soon it became suspected that this land was not as uninhabited as once thought. People or things like them see in the dark of night at the edge of the fledgling settlements and camps. Eyes reflecting the light of the fires and glow-globes in the manner of great beasts but standing taller from the ground like they belonged to men and watching with wariness but seemingly without fear.Many said that the land was haunted by inhumanly pale creatures with long grasping fingers that dwelt in the dark and that maybe a new world should be chosen. It could not be so, providence had pointed to this place and more besides the ships had all set sail back to the Imperium fore they were needed in the task of rebuilding. For bettor or worse the Baalite Jemanics were going nowhere.>will write more when get home, unless you ask me to stop
>>55167190Lord of the Rings
>>55173038Apex Twins are sorta close to Alma, right?
>>55174197APEX twins are just two little girls who have been little girls for decades with a playful natures, a fondness for surgery foods and the ability to fuck up their immediate surroundings and everyone and thing in it to an astounding degree. They are a Magnus the Red level anomaly.The Geno soldiers were a very loose gestalt mind linked via the matriarchs of their kind so that they could act with an astounding and quite creepy level of coordination.So kind of both are.
>>55174456Alma was capable of a bit more than just coordination if I remember right. Like, "drag a major metropolitan area into a psychic hell from beyond the grave" level.
>>55168844Not too thrilled with this version of events, we already have a lot of traditionalist vs reformer conflicts for our factions (Tau and Farsight, Primaris debate, etc.). I'd rather have the Blood Drinkers form their beliefs as an offshoot of the main chapter, maybe because they were in an isolated sector, and maybe their zealous Sangy belief comes from the fact their chapter got saved by the Sanguinor. Also, no real reason for the BAs to have traditionally drunk blood anyway, again no Red Thirst and it's not like Sangy would have encouraged it.
>>55171569The Jemanics despite this lingering haunting threat had no choice, they built their villages and town and cleared their fields under the watchful eyes of strange things. Their supplies would not last forever and they knew that this world did have seasons.For a time it appeared as if things were looking up for the children of exodus. The land was hard but it was not malevolent, the wildlife could be dangerous but it was not malicious, the climate was harsh but it was not unbearable. Little by little they carved out now lives for themselves under the watchful and caring gaze of Lord Commander Valefor.The detachment of Blood Angels under Valefor was token, little more than a company. The majority of the chapter had been allowed to travel with their old mortal kin to their new world and make sure they were settling in by grace of the Empty Throne but in the time of rebuilding they could not remain beyond a few old veterans and an aging commander.But it did not matter, they believed, this world was well away from anywhere, unknown and unwanted by others. They were, of course, quite wrong. Chaos remembered them. More importantly it remembered their humiliation by an angel guarding a gate. They remembered how they had been turned away, denied and how even in his death Sanguinius had laid the way for the defeat of their champion. Though he was now in death beyond their reach his people most certainly were not.Nurgle could be patient, Tzneetch could be subtle and Slaanesh was still young and flighty bu Khorne was insulted and always wanting to fight. Of his creature Ka'Bandha thrice damned and wretched was dragged before the throne of brass and bone and commanded to raise his banner, amass an army and exterminate the Jemanics to the last child.
>>55176148Can't do it. Too exhausted, work is shit. This is worse than writing the Stillness, lost my train of thought.Anyone have any suggestions where I should go with this? Unless they want to do it.Will try and do more tomorrow.Also is there any potential for a good Judge character in this AU?
>>55177342Of course, a good Arbites noir story would fit right in the nobledark.
>>55181713How are the Judges organized in this AU?Do we have anything on them yet?
>>55182996Please understand that I don't know shit about how the Arbiters are arranged in Vanilla.If we still have Street Arbiters rather than them all just being lawyers with guns then we need to split them down the middle into two divisions up to a certain point with promotion past that point requiring the abilities of both. This is not to say that Street Judges are not word perfect in Imperial Law and the law of their environment, they are. It is also not to say that Lawyer Arbiters are total desk jockeys as they must pass regular fitness and combat tests.Lets get back the Dredd roots for the Street Judges.Novice - under the age of 15, still running the assault courses and sitting in classrooms. No real experience yet.Rookie - Usually age 15 to 20. Start out assigned to an aging old warhorse whose been given the relatively light jurisdiction. This is to test the principle of what they are doing. As they progress they get assigned to judges in increasingly less friendly neighbourhoods.Judge - Age 20+ (assuming they pass and survive). They now have a badge, a shock maul and a firearm of their choice within reason. They are given their own patrol and jurisdiction.Once settled in they will be expected to take on a Rookie of their own.Senior Judge - A Street Judge to whom surrounding Judges are accountable to. They are a veteran street monster who has seen some shit. Given the rarity of Arbiters compared to regular law enforcers there are not many of these. On Necromunda, a world with a very high Judge concentration, there is 1 Senior Judge per hive. Most have one per stellar system.Senior Judge is as high as you can get without additional training as a Lawyer.
>>55183643The equivalent path for the Lawyers of the Arbiters goes like thisPupil - under the age of 15. They observe courtroom proceedings, attend lectures, sit exams and generally observe and take copious amounts of notes. No real experience yet.Scribe-understudy - Age 15 to usually ~20. Get assigned to an aging old veteran Scribe or Law-Master usually as part of a group as it has been found that small groups usually seem to learn slightly quicker.Scribe - 20+ (assuming they pass and aren't murdered). They now have a badge, a dataslate and a small sidearm of their choice. They are given their own duties and courtroom.Should they advance in years and experience enough they may be asked to take on understudies though given that it's not one on one training many are never asked. Law-Master - The one responsible for organizing the Scribes. They are veteran courtroom monsters that have had to deal with some shit and interpret the Law to accommodate all the fucked up things the galaxy will throw at them. Word perfect in not just Law and law but in the bizarre precedents and circumstances and given many of their advancing years often set those precedents.Law-Master is as high as you can get without Street Judge experience.
>>55174688The Geno were then what Alma was supposed to be the APEX twins on a bad day are what she ended up as then.
>>55174988Then in that case the blood angels chaplains are the main branch and the San Guisaga chapter started to adopt new ideas from the tribals.
>>55183734>>55183643What should be the ranks between the High Lord and Senior Judge / Law-Master be?Also because Judge Anderson there has to be a division of trained psychics not part of the strict hierarchy.Also I can see the lower ranks having a shelf-life of ~150 active years. Their high training and rarity making them worth the considerable investment in rejuvenants, but only the low end stuff.
>>55185522This just raises the question of what the religion of the Blood Angels should be.Too easy to say death cuot.What should they be?
>>55176148>>55177342The idea was that it was to explain why and how the Blood Angels adopted another planet as their homeworld. Also why it was named after their Primarch.For it to be named after their primarch they would have to have named it so in his memory.Why they settled their is because their old homeland on Old Earth was left too ruined after The Beast fucked everything up.Why that world in particular? Because Sanguinius could see the future and wrote lots of disjointed shit down. Then they did some Bibliomancy/Rhapsodomancy with it.They set up in the habitable areas. It's not much but it's just one nations worth of people so it's more than enough to go around. Habitable land primarily in along the rivers with big spaces of fuck all between them.Chaos is pissed and spiteful, Khorne sends Ka'Bandha to the planet Baal to get revenge. Gets narrowly beaten but can't go back to Khorne without the victory he demanded. Every thousand years he gets his shit together for another go.In the 1st Ka'Bandha invasion the people of Sanguinius find out that their suspicions are correct. There were natives on the world before them, slightly twisted by radiation and quite regressed but people despite this. They become brothers in battle. The main force of the Blood Angels arrive to answer the distress call and between them they crush the deamon army.They start turning Baal, over the generations, into a green and pleasant land. This infuriates Ka'Bandha as it looks like his attacks are doing much less than nothing. Baal becomes a vision of Gothic splendor and idyllic garden landscapes. Red wine, brown bread, olives and honey everywhere and happy people.
>>55160732There was a suggestion that the Chilliad were somehow compromised genetically by the time of the War of the Beast, and the remnants got spirited away to to try and rebuild their population and figure out how to fix whatever fucked them up. Part of the reason they were able to do that is they were close to the Alpha Legion (and by proxy the nascent Inquisition) and the Alpha Legion remembers its debts.No clue what happened to Honen Mu. She was mentioned as one of the Warlord/Steward's top generals, and given that in canon the Uxors only had a functional use of less than a decade either Mu was a fluke or she was just that good at strategy the Warlord kept her around even after her psychic powers burned out.
>>55191890Terrawatt Clan was the ones with the monopoly on the rejuvenents. If the ability of the Geno matriarchs was limited to age then this could have been extended considerably.
can deamons switch masters?
>>55188038Pretty sure they'd be laissez faire about that kind of thing, I mean Sangy vocally accepted aliens as long as they were decent people, so something as relatively minor as religion probably isn't going to matter to chapter leadership.
>>55192044It was said to be limited to younger ages, starting in the teens and having virtually burned out by the age of 30.I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't there a suggestion that the revised origin for Krieg be transferred to the Chilliad? They tried to engineer themselves to be longer and longer lasting soldiers but they fucked up and instead they had a drastically shortened lifespan. Mu, and some of the other old-timers who would have been around for a while due to her usefulness to the Imperium, would have basically been forced to watch the gradual degeneration of their people due to these practices, and the Chilliad got whisked away by the AL/Inquisition to fix the genetic damage as much as figure out how the power worked in the first place. Or maybe I'm just misremembering things.Also I think there is no more anonymous editing of 1d4chan. The "hold on new users for a few days due to spam" has been there for the past several weeks, which is bad because we are missing Celestine and Sangyfag's Eversor story, among others.>>55193368Big Four daemons are said to basically be sentient chunks of their patrons in canon. Daemon princes are, depending on who you believe, are either mortals infused with a big bunch of Chaos God energy or just daemons shaped in their likeness (which is part of the "joke" on those ascended, you die but some grotesque parody of you wearing your face is still running around). So possibly not (though we do have Skarbrand being tricked by Malal instead of Tzeentch in this timeline).Undivided daemons are basically everything that isn't one of the Big Four. They're less powerful, but on the other hand they're a lot less predictable. Bloodthirsters and Keepers of Secrets are predictable within limits, you have a general idea of what they're going to do. Undivided daemons are so diverse and may invade realspace so rarely that it's virtually impossible to get a handle on them.
>>55195865They might have a religion unto themselves, something like Buddhism (following the teachings of an enlightened mortal who is not a god).We know that Blood Angel beliefs =/= Katholianism, since they treat Sangy as someone like David in the Bible: not a prophet, but mentioned a lot and important from a quasi-secular perspective.Though anon has a good point, Sangy would have probably set things up so religion wasn't a big deal. So whatever religion did spring up would be more due to the nature of the planet they are on or the chapter itself. Like the 24/7 Sanguinalia of the Lamenters or the ALWAYS ANGRY ALL THE TIME of the Flesh Tearers (and possibly the regular BAs first company).
>>55197377I'll log on an put them on at the next opportunity
>>55197444Not following the teachings of a God would they still acknowledge the existence of gods? Not including chaos gods, obviously. They definitely exist though their divinity isn't universally accepted.
>>55197444How would the Blood Angels and associates view Saint Celestine is she is a distant descendant of their Martyr Angel?
>>55197444>>55200503>>55188038>How about:The Blood Angels and the majority faith for the people of Baal is that there is a wheel of fait and that the world goes in cycles of birth and death and rebirth. Everything is bound to this cycle, the cycle continues.Gods are as bound to the cycle as mortals, possibly more so. There is no way off of Mr Bone's Wild Ride. Your only hope is to make it to either selfishly cut all ties to everything so you can become light of soul enough to get to the middle where shit is less animate and the lack of reaction causes you to achieve a state of Nirvāṇa because nothing is bothering you.The other way of doing things correctly is the selfless giving of your time, effort and life to making the eternal journey on the wheel less awful. The result is a better world than there should have been for the next time around.Souls are endlessly recycled but the indifference or cruelty of the wheel strips away all things from one life as it enters the next so unless you are selfless and leave something behind to make it less shit the journey is harder and unless you record your wisdom increases in ignorance.By good works and the preservation of knowledge the cycle is made bearable.It is theoretically possible to remain in Nirvāṇa indefinitely if you cut every single tie to life before the moment of death and made it to the total stillness of the absolute centre of the wheel. Sadly the exact centre is by definition a single point so can only have one occupant and it is held by Death. He is not moving. He is eternal, the one constant, the ur-god.To the Blood Angels there is not Heaven, there is not Hell, there is no Judgement after death, there is just the Wheel upon which we are all imprisoned seemingly eternally. There is, therefore, ultimate incentive to make the imprisonment as good as possible.
>>55201995They follow the teachings of their ancient masters in the knowledge that somewhere out there they have been born again in ignorance. By the propagation of their teachings and the imparting of recorded wisdom they can be brought out of their ignorance again.They do not see Saint Celestine as special merely because she is a possible reincarnation of Sanguinius. There have undoubtedly been thousands of reincarnations of good ol' Sangy down the ages. They consider her special because of the wings, they are a clear and unmistakable omen that shit is going to get real in her lifetime because the last time Sangy's soul wore wings was the founding of the Imperium.They acknowledge that the other gods of the other faiths in the Imperium are probably real, not that this makes them special and any god claiming to be all knowing is, in their eyes, either a liar or stupid.To the people of Baal the gods of Chaos are indeed gods. They are also abominations that are going against their purpose on the Wheel and as such need to die. And yes, gods can die, only Death reigns eternal.They see Emperor Oscar as exactly what he is in that he is an artificial construct of the Dark Age. They also see him as a very enlightened heathen. Some of them think he is a god, some do not. Those that do are spared the Emperor's ire as to the Baalites the difference between gods and plebs is not so great.
>>55167818>Undead Eldrad punching Chaos bitches and getting money in a bitchin wraithbone bodyPossibly.If it's past the end of 999M41 it's only possibly.
>>55201995>>55202189I don't really know much about Buddhism but that sounds like a more grim version of it. Sort of how Katholianism isn't Catholic. It also implies that the BAs and adherents of their faith in general wouldn't have any real qualms about killing as they would just see it as removal of a detrimental influence on The Wheel with the possibility that they will be redeemed somewhat in their next life.Is this a Baalite only thing or have they managed to export it off-world?Also is this something they have developed on their own or adopted somewhat from the natives or was this the state religion of Dutch Jermanic?Random click pic
>>55205531awww, poor Balrog.
It appears my shitty idea for the Blood Angels was so shit it's killed the thread
>>55202189What do they think of the Nightbringer? Or are they closet Ynnead worshippers who don't even know it? If Ynnead is the Impossible Child, what does this mean about only Death being forever in Nirvana and never setting foot in either realspace or the Warp?
>>55209745Ynnead they don't know of, not yet. They would consider that it is either an aspect of the ur-god reflected in the minds of mortals like an image in a gently moving stream or they would consider it to be a god taking the image of Death. They would not take offense as imitation is the highest form of flattery.Nightbringer they do know. Given Mephiston alone how could they not? There's imitation and then there's a sick fucking mockery. Nightbringer is a stain upon the galaxy trying to imitate something it doesn't understand to justify atrocities.In any case Nightbringer, Ynnead and Impossible Child would not to them be the ur-god made flesh. The ur-god is already made manifest, your standing in it.Also Wheel of Fate, vampire themed marines, winged progenitor, trying to cure a dying world and a thing for prophesies. I just realized something.
>>55209579To be honest I think this is the closest the thread had been to dying, it's like 4 people posting regularly despite the poster count at the bottom.
>>55109704This reminds me of something I had thought of a while back. Posting here because I couldn't get the idea to work and maybe somebody else can pick the idea up.It starts with a Deceiver vampire leading an expeditionary team through a series of ancient catacombs. At first you think it's just some Rogue Trader with their entourage, but it rapidly becomes apparent that the leader is a vampire and the others are either their thralls or don't know who they've signed on with.You get a look inside the vampire's head, and they're a piece of work. Zero empathy or concern for others, talks about how they're going to eat their underlings as soon as they outlive their usefulness, a real arrogant asshole. Thinks about how they've uncovered the original source of vampirism which they think is a tainted artifact or something because it seems to stay in one place. They plan to use it to usurp the lineage and become as powerful as vampirically possible.Then their team becomes trapped in the catacombs, and they come face-to-face with either Orikan or the Nightbringer himself, and they learns there's a realm of difference between a high end vampire and a first generation one/outright Star God. Was kind of thinking Nightbringer, using the confrontation as a way to get Nightbringer to talk about why he's pulling an Orcus at the moment: he's using his vampires to recharge himself before kicking off his next galaxy tour. However after reading the previous thread it could work with Orikan as well.Despite pic being related I only realized the similarities as I was typing this.
Archived in case the thread goes under.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/55066206/
>>55215205I'd read something like that. It's always fun to watch a big fish realize the sheer magnitude of how out of their depth they are.
>>55197444Are the Lamenters still BAs in this AU?
>>55217271I would say yes. There is not reason to change them
>>55215205I'd be down for a horrible trip with Strigoi Dio or something to that effect, and it sounds like a better fit than having it be a Nosferatu. Characterization wise I personally imagine that a Deceiver sliver vampire would lie to everybody all the time, themself foremost. It might almost convince itself that it will reconsider eating its retinue/thralls, maybe even make one a fledgeling, but alas, he simply must kill them all as soon as he can manage.The original outline of the Orikan-Deceiver scheme mentioned the grand master Orikan contacting ambitious fledgelings of his spawn to use as pawns and disposable assets and decking them out with Xenotech. On the other hand, Everything we've said about Nosferatu paints them as steel skinned Eversors that don't get tired and RIP-AND-TEAR for lack of bombs and deathrays.
>>55217990It also has to be understood that the Deciever does not havea "main" shard. Every shard is as legitimate as the others.Nightbringer has a main one (the one accidently unearthed by an incautious Ultramarine captain) to which all the others answer to and are directed by.Void Dragon just has one really big shard under Olympus Mons.Outsider has one and will murder any break away pieces of itself.Deciever is always at war with itself. If Orikan can farm necrodermis and slap copy/past hard enough without loosing cohesion he could st himself us pas the main shar.
>>55197377I think that we dropped that idea for Krieg when someone did the excellent Krieg writefaggatory. Krieger would live normal lives under ideal conditions.
SO what are we doing with the Demiurg?Eldar high gravity offshoot or silicon based people?
>>55210254How about we make the Blood Drinkers chapter the Legacy of Kain themed one?Or would that be one reference too far?
>>55217271>>55217981Lamenters have at least a blurb about them, it's under the Notes page of the Drafts.>>55202189>>55210254Seems ok, but again I'm pretty sure there would be no officially sanctioned religion of the chapter, wouldn't really be consistent with the characterization of the BAs thus far. The pseudo-Buddhism could be the most prevalent religion in the BAs because that's what most of their Baalite recruits believe, but other religions would in no way be restricted. In fact, given that the BAs are one of the most popular chapters in the galaxy amongst the common people, the BAs probably have recruits from all over and thus have a bit of diaspora of religions.>>55221330Not really a huge fan of these references. If it's subtle then it might work, but it might also turn out like that guy who wanted to bring Call of Duty Infinite Warfare into the AU and got roundly shit on by the entire thread.My philsophy regarding this is that if something from canon fits in this AU, then leave it be.
>>55222857It was mentioned that it's the majority faith, not the only one.It would be majority faith for that reason.They would probably not be recruiting from out of the Baal system due to the Space Marines being a sub-group of the Imperial Army and there would be no practical reason to do so. Valhallans don't recruit from not Valhalla for example.
>>55221330Lets not. For one thing we already have a Cain and a Khine and I don't think adding a Kain to that would help. Also as>>55222857Pointed out CoD copy/paste was shot down as was Sister Samus I remember.>>55220781I'm leaning towards both. Eldar naturally crystallize as they get older so it's not entirely retarded to put forth a suggestion that one sub-species went weird with a mutation and started to become a sort of organic mineral.It would also explain as was suggests a few threads ago why their homeworld was in the heart of the old Eldar Empire and not turned into a hunting reserve/torture festival.As it stands now they are a shorter broader version of eldar that look like they are made of bismuth, glitter and marble.It was also suggested and put of the 1d4chan that they tend to be built into their ships because they took Vaul as their principle deity and went nuts with it. This would mean that maybe they are using a lot of fiber-optic cable.I'm trying to think of ways of differentiating them from the Hubworlders.
pg 10 Bumpin
During her apprenticeship under a full-fledged Inquisitor, there was a terrible rumor circulating around about Reynaard. On the planet of Mandall IV, Reynaard seems to have discovered an alien worshipping cult within a district. Normally, this wouldn’t be a problem except the local Orders Securitas had not been tracking them and that cult was planning to incite the world to open rebellion. He tried to deal with the cult by himself with a Deathwatch Kill-Team who would have slaughtered all the cultist. In the battle to eliminate the cult, the civilian population along with the city’s governmental forces turned on them to lead the Inquisitor to barely escape. Even the local Sisters who are supposed to be only loyal to the Inquisition and Emperor tried to kill the Deathwatch Marines. Reynaard would later come back with half a million Guardsmen and wipe out the city to non-existence. Civilians that didn’t resist were allowed to live in prison colonies while POWs were hanged in the city streets after all the city was demolished. >Does this fit?
>>55217990The idea with the Nightbringer was that the Strigoi figured that rather than remain within a pyramid scheme where they would forever be under the threat of those more powerful than them, they would go usurp someone else's chain of command. Basically wants to commit shard vampire diablerie.And, of course, they completely overlooked the fact that the progenitor of the various strains of vampirism is sentient and very much unwilling to tolerate any usurpers. And there is a huge power gulf between them.But it would work pretty well with Orikan as well. Only difference is that it's not clear how strong Orikan is and how he would react, whereas Nightbringer clearly Would Not Give One Shit about any little upstart.
>>55231863without vampire powers Orikan travels back in time to ensure the success of his prophecies
>>55230227What's the context for this? I have no idea what this is about.>>55176148Is Valefor supposed to be the Chapter Master who succeeded Sangy? Because we've already established that was Belarius, Sangy's son.
>>55233549I think that piece of writefaging has been dropped. Summary covers what need to be fleshed out.
>>55232425I don't think there is reliable time travel in this setting
>>55230227Depends on the context. Like holy shit yes it does.If the city planners were in on the job and over the centuries had turned districts or the whole thing into a Chaos amplifier rune then yes. Absolutely. They would have taken it all down to several feet beyond the lowest sub basement. It would also probably not have been picked up by the Securitas or Arbiters because neither of them are typically bothered by architecture.Actually having a sisterhood of the Securitas turn on the Inquisition is harder to explain. It would need the Inquisitor to have been of dubious reputation, have had several run ins with the Sisters before that make them question his loyalty and then given some false(?) evidence by the perps to get them to become overtly hostile/violent.Prison colonies and mass hanging not so much, not sanctioned in any case. Inquisitors are accountable in this AU and as they are people of authority they are held to higher standards. If it was deemed necessary to remove the civilian population from the area due to the possibility of residual corruption they would have been scattered across a dozen worlds so they could live out their days as the good citizens most of them probably are and the less than good would be unable to coordinate due to the communication difficulties. Enemy POWs, the rank and file who follow orders but don't have the big picture view, would have their weapons and flack taken from them, they would be released from the PDF/IG and filtered in with the rest of the civilians. Maybe wherever they end up they can get a job with the local PDF.In the case of gene-stealer cults they would kill the infected. They would kill them as quickly and cleanly as possible. They are people afflicted and violated, there are only victims here.Requisitioning half a million soldiers for a job is something you can do as an Inquisitor but it also gets you investigated by people with no sense of humour afterwards.
>>55190092It could work.Although it now has to be asked; how mutated are the old mutated tribes and what made them that way?In Vanilla Baal was still at least slightly radioactive when Sangy landed there. I'm all for it being like that in this AU. Maybe it was nuked for the lulz in WoTB or maybe it was some leftover old Dark Age shit exploding after thousands of years of no maintenance. Makes no difference, result is that Baal was for thousands of years enduing fallout.The mutants are technically part of the beastmen cline, albeit the very shallow end. There were some splices in the Dark Age ancestry but not many. In a healthy gene-pool they would have diluted away to almost nothing. Problem is that so few survived the onset of the Age of Strife that the artificial genes got more concentrated. This plus prolonged mild inbreeding and the radiation and you end up with Mordor orc looking people. They were low and savage creatures when the Duscht Jemanic settlers arrive. Cannibalistic, rudimentary tools, constantly feuding and warring between tribes and generally quite sad and ugly. But not inherently evil and not Chaos corrupted though it would be excusable not to be able to tell at a quick glance.Over time and exposure to the off-world arrivals they have civilized up. People assume that it's a result of getting the Nova Beastmen treatment from the AdBio but the actual damage was never enough to require it. The change is the result of better hygiene, less inbreeding, a good diet, the fading of the radiation and not getting maimed in tribal wars.Yes, it's blatant imperialism and the imposing of the culture of the Duscht Jemanic on the mutants. But fuck you it was good for them. They've gone form Morgul rats to glorious Uruk-Hai.Still too genetically twisted to use for Space Marine recruits though they are present in the Baal Regiments of the Imperial Army.
>>55234873Most of it is bullshit in the context of the story I'm writing because this was from a rumor. This is supposed to make Inquisitor Reynaard look as bad as possible when he is going to a hive world to kill a vampire while another Inquisitor is already investigating the case.
>>55235263Should the faith in the Wheel of the Blood Angels originate from Old Earth or be something they adopted from the mutants?I can see the mutants having a similar faith based on the idea that everything is shit, everything has always been shit and everything will always be shit until the sun goes out. Shit of various flavours being all they had known.Maybe Baal had a feral ork problem, the reason why the mutants wouldn't live in the valleys the Jemanics took. Not much you can do with a bone and flint knife against an ork. Mutants and Jemanics get along well when they first make contact based on their mutual hatred of orks, mutants let them have the valleys for the price of ork genocide and consider it a good trade, wasteland is much better without green hunting parties.Then the e off-worlders make no effort to stop them coming to the green and pleasant lands. Their rather grim faith is amended to everything was shit, but now shit is getting better.
>>55237169That's the important context to which asking if it fits kind of depended.
So do the Blood Angels drink blood or not?
>>55233886It was Belarius who was established as the successor in the Breaking of the Legions section.
>>55237169In that case maybe point out that it was done to make them look bad. Rounding up innocent civilians who were just trying to not die under the heel of a Chaos worshipping tyrant and sending them off to prison camps is the kind of thing that gets you in big trouble to the point where you might get executed. Something like the aftermath of the first war for Armageddon would not be tolerated.Part of the reason Inquisitors and Rogue Traders are so untouchable in canon is because they answer to no power other than the Emperor himself. And look who's still mobile in this timeline.
>>55239769to keep piling on, vanila has the "hard men in hard places making hard decisions while hard" trope going full blast at all times, but much like other cases of this theme, the 'hard men' tend to actually take the easier, safer, crueler route instead of the more difficult, risky, but true and righteous one. Doing the right thing as an Inquisitor is non-negotiable for Inquisitors and Arbiters. An Inquisitor can play hard hearted, but if a hard man wants to make a hard decision he can expect consequences just as hard, extenuating circumstances be damned. This isn't to say that brutal action is never appropriate, just look at the response to genestealers, but the fact that calling down an inappropriate lance salvo, let alone an exterminatus, can fuck an Inquisitor's career sideways is what makes such decisions hard. Wasting the Imperium's planetary resources, including the locals, is a serious crime, and the likes of Karamazov are fugitives within days of the revelation of their actions.All of this is to say that any number of Inquisitorial misdeeds fit the setting, but that's contingent on how the setting reacts. A debacle like anon described would get the Inquisitor a very long run of paid leave, and plenty of paperwork to fill for endless inquiries during that time at a minimum. The Ordo Sicarius would be on the guy's case and there would be internal affairs agents inserted to his retinue, the Ordo Xenos would run its own massive inquiry on the whole affair, and picking the brain of the Inquisitor in question would quickly become the pet project of countless other Inquisitors. Assuming he's found not to have committed a crime or lapsed in his duty he could expect his work reassigned, and would likely need rejuveants to see the day he's ever considered for promotion, and possibly to get bureaucratic duties forever. If he is found to have failed in his due diligence he might be stripped of rank and disgraced, and his failures would be rectified.
>>55241008and if his fuckups were intentional contraventions of imperial justice, he would be made an outlaw, then hunted, tried, and sentenced like any other well armed pirate or brigand, with the people of the imperium obligated to render him no aid or quarter.
>>55238446It appears not. Perhaps the tribals did back in the old days before they were civilized but no more.Now they drink red wine as a substitute.It's also distinct possibility that the Blood Drinkers don't drink blood, it's just that some administratum quill pusher couldn't grasp that the Blood of the Savior was not actually a cannibalistic ritual.Being an isolated and rather insular bunch of people it was some time before they found out how they were being portrayed, by that point several films and Twilight type books were already in wide circulation because some things are a constant in the universe.
>>55218676Has anything been written of the other Vanilla memtioned C'tan?Emberresh, the SuneaterStardeathYggra'nya, the Moulder of WorldsOg'driada, the ArisenKaluguraNyadra'zatha, the Burning OneLlandu'gor, the FlayerIash'uddra, the Endless Swarm
>>55242819Well, I'm pretty sure they're all dead in canon, so they'd still be dead here. Didn't ol Ceggers trick them into eating each other until the well known ones (Nightbringer, Deceiver, etc) were the only ones left?
>>55243284The Burning One is confirmed dead in new canon.The Flayer is possibly still "alive" if he is the corruption in the Flayed Ones.The others are still alive but seemingly weaker/less numerous than the big 4.
>>55241008Indeed, this is why Karamazov became in such disfavor. Rather than figure out what was going wrong and figure out how to fix it, he burned the planet down at the word go and let the Emperor sort them out. And he didn't even have the decency of using a quick-killing method like Exterminatus first.>>55242819Overall dead but their shards are probably around. There was a suggestion that one vampire variant was made from minor C'tan shards. Llandu'gor is probably still responsible for the Flayer Curse unless anyone has better ideas. They might be trying to reform into a whole C'tan but that might be difficult given how some of their fragments are in the Nightbringer and Outsider's metaphorical stomach. Necrons probably have a bunch of their fragments but have figured out how to power things on their own following their increased competence and their canon tech level rather than jamming C'tan in everything.
>>55244134One of the big differences between Karamazov and Kryptman in this AU is that after The Kryptman Line he turned himself in.Karamazov did not. Karamazov gets Sharks sent by Isha for that.
Hey I'm trying to do something similar with this. Awhile ago someone made this whole Brighthammer thing : https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Setting:Brighthammer_40,000/2nd_editionI wanted to know what was the best way to go about expanding it and getting others involved. I'm kinda new to 4chan and would love to make a thread about it.
>>55245653So make a new thread about it
>>55245115Kryptman also evacuated the planets in this AU
>>55245653>>55245739>The absolute madman He went and did it.
How smart are Nova Ogryn?
>>55247985Average ones are about as smart as a caveman/early Homo sapiens. BONE-heads can talk tactics with other skilled military commanders no problem, but they were always outliers in the first place as the procedure is always done on the brightest of the bright anyway.Basically there is quite a bit of overlap between human and Nova Ogryn intelligence, but the average for Ogryn is lower. Though Nova Ogryn are simple, not mentally retarded, and they are smart enough to notice when people treat them as stupid even though they can't keep up with complexities or the technobabble.
>>55249219Would a Bone-head be allowed into the arbiters?
>>55250780I would say that they would be allowed if they finished the training to the same standards as a baseline human but they would be rare bordering non-existent. The BONE 'ead treatment is given to promising young Ogryn as an investment by the Imperial Army that they will become good officers. They could import non-Ogryn officers to do the job but people respond better when given orders from one of their own kind, especially Ogryn with their clannish tendencies.The Imperial Army is not going to invest considerable Thrones into quite sophisticated cybernetics to have that investment walk away and get a "civilian" job. Arbiters want a BONE 'eads then they can pay for it themselves.Of course the Arbiters aren't as concerned with having people be from the communities they enforce, quite the reverse in fact to prevent conflicts of loyalty, so they don't see any reason to shell out for Ogryn when they have ample recruitment possibilities from the teeming quadrillions of humanity already.The only way I could see it happening is if one was poached by the inquisition and after a long service, possibly after the inquisitor dies, went off to find new work. But that would be very rare.
How bright does a Legio Cybernetica have to be before it becomes a problem?
>>55252994Wasn't the Legio Cybernetica kind of in disfavor with the mainstream AdMech in this timeline? The AdMech see their stuff as too damn close to comfort to Men of Iron and want them gone or at least dumbed down, the Legio Cybernetica react like someone asked them to mass-euthanize their dogs. I think it was what drove some of them to places like Stillness.I think we said about dog or cuttlefish like in an older thread, with the exception of possibly that one weird model that may be sapient or reversed engineered from Necron Wraith designs.
>>55254775The Hubworlders make extensive use of robots in their armies due to the relatively low number of young people that make up their population.Hubworlders are predominantly socialists and their universal health care gives all longevity treatments. It's why they live for a few centuries despite not having actually changed from baseline humanity to any meaningful degree. Downside to this is that because every Hubworld citizen gets the treatments it has to be cheap. Also it's Longevity, not Rejuvenant. It keeps you healthy and spry into extreme old age but you're still old. They still can only reproduce when they are in their late teens to ~40. The result is a large, active, healthy population of old people and a very slow growth rate.They have to use robots for war or risk total extinction.
>>55254878Just one more reason for the autistic screeching of the cog-heads.
>>55252994If it a asks "does this unit have a soul?" then you tell it to be quiet when the admech are snooping.
Bumping with Shub-Niggurath, Black Goat of the Forest with a Thousand Young.
>>55256751Should Robots have souls?They seem to be able to go to Chaos and the Void Dragon and Oscar are both artificial and they do. And if Dragon is also Omnissiah then the robots are maybe slightly his deamons.
>>55259794What even is a soul in 40k? It's clearly not consciousness or emotions, since blanks have both. Are GW all reductive physicalists in the philosophy of mind debate? I guess what I'm saying is: 40k metaphysics are a mess, and it's best not to give it too much thought, because the writers sure haven't.
>>55259794>>55260146General rule in 40k is that technically everything in the material realm has a slight impression and reflection in the warp (I believe the example they use was a "dining utensil"). It's how you can get daemonically posessed objects. Or C'tan eating souls.A "soul", therefore, is a huge mass of Warp energy disproportionately large compared to its material counterpart. Soul=/=sapience, C'tan are at "fork" levels of power without someone feeding them juice (which is why Warp weapons fuck them up, someone is imposing the greater force of their soul on them like a big planet crushing a little one). Vice versa is also true, daemons and the Chaos Gods have little material presence, essentially souls without bodies.I think we have the Iron Minds and Men of Gold with definite souls, given the former could look into the Warp and Oscar as an example of the latter. Men of Iron are more difficult but it could be they do have souls with Iron Minds having a back door into their souls (which turned out to be a bad idea).
>>55260589So how does this go with Pariahs?Is it possible that they do have a soul but it is a sort of photo-negative soul? It is an anti-soul but it is a thing.Tau could be stealth souls. A strange adaptation to a spiritually hostile galaxy.Maybe. Maybe not.
>>55246750Did he? I thought the whole thing was that it was too late to save them, but he decided to exterminatus them to slow down the Nids and to spare the residents his own fate.>>55245653Also, I might be willing to lend a hand with this, having been a certain writefag from early in Nobledark's history that has had no idea what the fuck is going on for the past dozen or so threads.
>>55262385Someone did a write up for Kryptman Line where he evacuates everyone and keeps one stealth ship in the system to Exterminatus the nids when they make planetfall to deplete as much of the hive fleet's biomass as possible. The stealth ship is a sacrifice however. Also which writefag are you??
>>55262585Eh, I still feel like having everyone (apart from a tiny crew) get away very much detracts from the Line being Kryptman's whole "my crimes are beyond forgiveness" moment. In-setting, without the massive loss of life, the Line's nothing big enough for him to be excommunicated over, much less consider himself a monster for; if anything, he'd be praised for having struck such a major blow with little loss of life. Out-of-setting, it just doesn't fit as well with the overall Ahab vibes we're giving Kryptman - the whole point of the Line is that it's horrific, but it must be done. The fact that there wasn't time to evacuate (which iirc was a thing in Vanilla) and him deciding on the Exterminatus because he knows exactly what happens when a world falls to the Tyranids, fit much better with how he recognises the enormity of his actions but still remembers the horror of the alternative.Also, I'm the writefag that's very disappointed that we stopped having funny (or at least, mildly amusing) filenames for the OPs.
>>55261465Canon is blanks essentially have anti-matter souls. Tau and Necrontyr have disproportionately small souls or less effected ones.>>55263380The negatives of the Kryptman Line is that it involved destroying massive amounts of habitable planets, something the Milky Way has a finite amount of and that would have been really useful to have around to supply food, weapons, and manpower, in exchange for what amounted to breathing room against the tyranids. It also creates a massive refugee crisis because you have at least billions of people suddenly homeless at once. And of course in the end it didn't work because the 'nids just figured out to aim past the easiest target.The evacuation and the sacrificial ship were mentioned because it's more in character for the Nobledark universe. It makes sense that the Imperium would at least try to evacuate as many worlds as possible if it gave a damn about civilian life rather than sterilizing them from orbit with no warning. Plus, since this is tyranids rather than Orks or Chaos, evacuating the planets wouldn't make the 'nids reconsider their plans.The sacrificial ship exploits a key weakness of the tyranids (namely that they have to expend biomass before feeding, and if that gets blown up it's a net negative), and builds on the nobledark theme of sacrifice by having a small group of people be willing to trap themselves in a star system with the tyranids several times throughout the Line.Everyone did consider Kryptman a hero for the Kryptman Line. He considered himself damned and the fact that he was being honored for committing Exterminatus broke him further. It was steering Leviathan into Octarius that got him excommunicated.
>>55264550He was never booted out. They just watch him really closely.
>>55242819>Yggra'nya, the Moulder of WorldsI can all too easily imagine this being totally fucking horrific. Tasked in the old days with terraforming for the Necron Star Empire. To go before them and make worlds for them to live upon and enslaved to that task always.Meddling tech-priests find his prison 65+ million years later mistaking it for a Dark Age loot box.Does not end well. Does not end well at all. And now Yggra'nya is loose and his confinement drove him mad. Mad though he is the orders given to him by the Silent King all those ages ago still shackle him. He remakes worlds into glorious hellscapes and madness. This is the sort of monster who would make Dogworld. The Qu could take lessons. Thankfully there seems to be only one of it so it can't do more than one planet at a time and it is a gardening tool gone wrong more than a weapon by the standards of the Star Empire so it can be driven off with some effort.In form it is a shifting screaming amorphous blob of nono-tech with a millions/billions of poorly designed robot servants.
>>55206893CK2 can get a bit funny sometimes.
>>55264550We've heard of his gear but what does crazy old Kryptman look like?
>>55269770Draw/fulgrimfag here, I'll get around to drawing him at some point. Feel free to make suggestions
>>55271140Old. Really old. He is lined and weathered. He has a crescent of hair around his head with a bald cranium. The hair he has is long, unkempt. Eyes bloodshot, wide and mad. there is fire in them. His posture is slouchedd, tired, worn down. He habitually clenches and unclenches his hands when he thinks.Not particularly tall, 5'10" at most maybe. Take a few inches off of that because of the posture. Slight build.
>>55269770Only thing I remember is he has a helmet made out of Lictor skull.
>>55266326The booted out is as much to keep him away from the Big Red Button as anything else. Like it or not, Kryptman still usually has good ideas about how to kill tyranids. It's just the fact that he has increasingly been doing them unilaterally without someone to keep an eye on him is the issue.
>>55271306He still gets to call himself Inquisitor, so there is that.
SO what are the Salamanders up to by 999M41?