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    219 KB Stranger 08/18/09(Tue)14:58 No.5503797  
    Well, we've all rescued a princess in our time, and that got me thinking.

    Would any of you guys ever base a game around, or at least include, one or more of the twisted disney princesses? Or would that ride too close to some sort of grimdark kingdom hearts for most peoples' tastes?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:01 No.5503817
    Twisted princesses? Are there more than this?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:02 No.5503822
    Sounds fucking stupid.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:02 No.5503833
    Thank you for the inspireing .jpg needed that for my SLA Industries campain.
    >> Vector !NEy29ODpvs 08/18/09(Tue)15:04 No.5503847
    rolled 10 = 10

    What happens when a fiend rips out your soul, turns it into a manes, then puts it back?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:05 No.5503859
    >..one or more of the twisted disney princesses

    No, not Disney but Brothers Grimm and HC Andersen, yes. In a Dark Post-CyberPunk/SciFi Setting too (SLA Industries).
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:05 No.5503865
    To be perfectly honest, it sounds exactly like American McGee presents: Kingdom Hearts.

    Make it about twisted princesses in general, nix the Disney angle and go for a more Grimm's fairy tales thing.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:05 No.5503868
    General Protection Fault followed by Blue Eyes of Death.
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    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:08 No.5503901
    When you say Twisted princesses, do you mean.... the original stories before Disney cocked them up?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:10 No.5503911
    I'm not sure I would use a disney princess, but I once ran a game where the princess to be rescued turned out to be the BBEG. The guys holding her prisoner were trying to stop her from taking over the kingdom.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:10 No.5503914
    Sora's heart grants Fast Healing 3 and elemental resistances. The problem is, lil' fucker is still using it.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:11 No.5503931
    whoa. gonna be needing a whole lot of wyrmsage
    >> Stranger 08/18/09(Tue)15:15 No.5503972
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    No, that's more oldschool hardcore, and a different flavor then this stuff. But I do have a healthy respect for all the stuff before Disney got their hands on it. I mean, some adventures coming across sleeping beauty as her rape baby feeding while she still sleeps would be a good, disturbing random encounter.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:17 No.5503984
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    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:17 No.5503986
    zombie snow white is so much fucking hotter than her original self
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    >> Stranger 08/18/09(Tue)15:19 No.5504017
    Shit, I hadn't seen this one yet.... wasn't aware one could make Jane even more fuckable then she was!
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:19 No.5504025
    Not much of a difference, really.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:20 No.5504031
    No, but I definitely am going to try to think of one my players might be interested in.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:20 No.5504036
    Jane is now even more fappable
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:21 No.5504052
    I like this beast.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:22 No.5504059
    It could make for a fun game - but remember that PCs might decide that non-standard princess = monster to be killed.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:22 No.5504060

    The fuck is wrong with both of you
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:23 No.5504076
    i like a dominant woman, what the hell is wrong with that?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:24 No.5504098
    She's wearing a fucking tiger. Thus, there's a decent chance she also fucks like a tiger.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:25 No.5504103
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    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:31 No.5504197
    "Save the good dragon from the evil princess," eh?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:34 No.5504238
    I'd play that.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:34 No.5504246

    Thank you, OP. I am going to throw this at my Changeling group next session.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:35 No.5504258
    No more princess? Oh, well.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:35 No.5504264

    This, is an awesome idea.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:36 No.5504271
    It's a shame. I was looking forward to Pocahontas and Mulan.
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    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:39 No.5504292
    Complete Scoundrel actually has a whole chapter on this.

    "Princess" is the name of the king's pet wyvern.

    Either that, or the Princess you're supposed to be saving from peril actually ran off with her 'captor' and is quite happy where she is, thanks.
    >> Stranger 08/18/09(Tue)15:39 No.5504297
    There is a mulan one, but I forgot to save it. She's a zombie.

    Jane is hot.
    Crazy women are hot.
    Crazy Jane is megahot.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:39 No.5504304
    Make this idea more twisted.

    We want paranoid players who will be unable to make easy decisions because so much potential for BAD END

    Save Snow White before finding a way to control her? Her cannibal dwarves eat you.

    Save Cinderella before she's cured of the crazy? She turns your head into a pumpkin then makes it explode.

    Save Jane? She creeps into your tent in the middle of the night, slowly undresses then stabs both your eyes out.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:40 No.5504317
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    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:41 No.5504322

    Save Ariel before corruption X takes her over.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:42 No.5504333

    I'll just quickly get those arrows out of the way to start the lube going and then we can get to business
    >> Stranger 08/18/09(Tue)15:42 No.5504336
    You make me want to watch Vampire Hunter D again (the more recent one). It's certainly a nice twist on the traditional 'the badguy kidnapped the girl' mission. Extra fun if you have a group that is good about roleplaying, and has enough differing opinions on the situation to cause conflict.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 08/18/09(Tue)15:42 No.5504340
    >Save Jane? She creeps into your tent in the middle of the night, slowly undresses then stabs both your eyes out...

    ...with sharp poisoned thorns glued to her nipples. Because NOBODY would expect that.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:43 No.5504346

    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:44 No.5504349
    Actually, this seems like a fun way to use the taint mechanics from Heros of Horror.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:45 No.5504364
    There's nothing wrong with grimdark KH. If you don't have a keyblade, even the vanilla KH becomes a decent survival horror setting.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:45 No.5504368
    Any more? There are a few females left I can think of.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:46 No.5504378
    I like the way you think.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 08/18/09(Tue)15:47 No.5504382
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    >So the story behind Alice is after she's declared guilty, the Queen of Hearts and her army proceed to chase Alice through Wonderland. Unfortunately, Alice trips and hurts her leg, allowing them enough time to catch up to her. Alice is then dragged away by the Queen's soldiers. All of this is being watched by the Cheshire Cat who's hiding in the shadows. Alice is taken to the center of the Queen's garden maze where all the bodies of the many victims of the tyrannical Queen are discarded. And like all of the Queen's victims, Alice is beheaded and left in the center of the maze to rot. Unknown to the Queen, the Cheshire Cat followed her to the center of the maze and witnessed the tragic execution of the young girl. Once the Queen and her army has left, the Cheshire Cat appears. He feels extremely guilty for the death of this little girl...but that feeling soon passes, for the Cheshire Cat now had himself a new toy...a new body to posses...a new puppet to carry out his twisted motives. Wonderland WILL be his!
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:50 No.5504418
    I never thought of that. Dear god, the casualties...
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:54 No.5504449


    Wait, what the fuck is this door doing here? Hey, rogue. Go pick the lock.

    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:56 No.5504464
    So 'World Refugees' but with slightly better DMing and D&D classes.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:56 No.5504471

    Kingdom Hearts: Grimndark Edition.

    FUND IT!
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:57 No.5504476
    My day has been fucking made.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:57 No.5504480
    ...and according to the lore, the only person who can save you is Mickey Mouse. Roll for sanity.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:57 No.5504481
    has to be done
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:57 No.5504482


    Ariel sold her soul for youth, power and beauty and she knows it won't last. The only way she can keep going, the only thing that prevents her lungs from shriveling up and killing her is if she can convince a man to give her "True Love's First Kiss"- so she can suck out his soul and ferry it down to her tentacled masters in the crushing black depths.

    And then another, and then another, and then another. For eternity.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:58 No.5504493
    That's a leopard. You a retard.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 08/18/09(Tue)15:58 No.5504500

    and here's the artist. He's got more on the way, but undecided which yet. Right now it's a tossup between Esmeralda from "Hunchback of Notre Dame", Wendy and/or Tinkerbell from "Peter Pan", and Megara from "Hercules".
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)15:59 No.5504508
    i think you mean your a retard
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:00 No.5504517

    i lol'd.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:00 No.5504527
    come on tinkerbell
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:00 No.5504529
    Kingdom Hearts: You Are So Fucked edition

    Let's do it /tg/

    Let's fucking do it.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:02 No.5504545
    My vote's on Megara. What a fine-ass bitch.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:02 No.5504546


    At the risk of sounding like a complete retard on the Internet, I think I just had a horror-boner.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:02 No.5504549
    "In the world on the other side of the mirror, there is only war." (DoW intro music)
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:02 No.5504553
    well my work here is done
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:03 No.5504561

    Alright then. What system?
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 08/18/09(Tue)16:04 No.5504579
    yeah, that's what I was hoping too. But odds are he'll probably do Wendy and Tink together since they're from the same setting.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:06 No.5504605

    Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Esmerelda. DO FUCKING WANT.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:08 No.5504618
    i think tink and wendy would be the best
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:08 No.5504620
    You can hurt the heartless, if you've a proper weapon. A stick won't cut it. Then, they have numbers. Hundreds, thousands, all screaming for your life, your heart, fuck, your fucking eternal soul, so they can add you to their hordes of raw, festering, hungering dark maws. Even zombism gives you rest of spirit. Become a heartless, and your very soul becomes one of the damned.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:08 No.5504623

    Eden System is flexible.

    D20 everybody knows.

    WoD could work well.

    DH could work good too.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:10 No.5504648
    Well I'd be inclined to have a bunch of normal people from our world sucked into a twisted princess' world so a system that can handle normal humans vs supernatural monsters without the humans getting killed in round 1.

    I think it would depend on 'how are the characters getting involved' as to what powers/abilities they have and thus what system.

    Personally I'd go WoD with starting characters being mortals with the potential to learn low-level numina (psychic powers, faith, hedge magic etc) as they interact with the supernatural world - enough to make it interesting but not enough to ever overpower what they fight - fights should be about them learning about their foe and outwitting it - not blasting it in the head with hellfire or a shotgun until it goes down.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:13 No.5504676
    Wonderfully dark idea.

    Why not hve the powers instead manifest due to a warped reality.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:14 No.5504695
    like some sort of magical mutation brought on by exposure to the new world
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:16 No.5504711
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    Hey guys. Nala.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:16 No.5504713
    So keyblade wielders are Exalts and it'd be mortal edition vs heartless?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:17 No.5504721
    Seriously, just hire an 18 year old to wash your balls or something.
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 08/18/09(Tue)16:17 No.5504724
    >Upon returning to Pride Rock, Simba confronts Scar in order to regain his kingdom. The fight between Scar and Simba takes a turn for the worse. Nala notices that Simba is in trouble and leaves the hyenas to the other lionesses. She rushes to the top of Pride Rock just in time to see Scar land the finishing blow to Simba. In a fit of rage, Nala attacks Scar viciously, ultimately throwing him off the edge of Pride Rock, avenging Simba's death. However, the hyenas have overwhelmed the other lionesses, leaving Nala as the only surviving lion in the Pride Lands. The hyenas see their chance to finally rid the land of the lions once and for all and begin to pursue Nala without hesitation. With the help of Timon and Pumbaa, the injured Nala makes her escape. The three of them continue to fight the hyenas at every chance they get in order to win back the Pride Lands while preserving the beliefs of Mufasa and Simba.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:18 No.5504731
    >>5504695 (same guy here)

    Well, since I'd be using D20 with Heros of Horror, why not have the powers manifest as a result of contracting any taint?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:18 No.5504738
    I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way to make Timon and Pumba menacing
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:19 No.5504740
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:19 No.5504749
    Sounds good.

    Or a reflection of characters warped personalities - i.e. a pyromaniac gets the ability to summon fire, someone who hears voices in his head gains telepathy etc.

    What would be the short term/long term goals of the game/plot?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:20 No.5504753
    Probably not a meerkat, but a boar maybe.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:20 No.5504754
    If you do this, you *must* make one of the princesses a trap.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:21 No.5504767
    What else,
    A) Survive long enough to figure out what the fuck is going on
    B) Figure out how to stop it
    C) Figure out how to get the fuck home
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:21 No.5504769
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:21 No.5504771
    Just one?

    Mulan would be my choice - because of the whole 'reverse-trap' backstory
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:22 No.5504774
    I was just thinking the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:22 No.5504785
    Dire boar and Dire Weasel
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:24 No.5504799
    he's a meerkat
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:24 No.5504802
    Using a plot device ripped from a fantasy author (Everworld, Elseworld? fuck can't remember):

    Characters are randomly dragged between their own world and the fucked up nightmare - nobody beleives them and they're not even sure if it is real.

    Workable and/or good plot device?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:24 No.5504809
    Actually, Razor Boar
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:26 No.5504831
    Like normal day life, but horrible nightmares where if you die or get too corrupt, you ide in real life, and if you go insane, you go insane IRL
    Just use a fucking dire weasel.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:26 No.5504838
    It doesn't matter what they are, it's still Timone and Pumba.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:31 No.5504891
    >>5504802 here yeah pretty much what I was getting at.

    Using modern-day characters allows you to bring in other 'child stories' to mes people up - Scooby Doo, Ghostbusters etc.

    Zombie Daphne wants your braiiins
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:32 No.5504897
    this is awesome. Now I want to include his in my next game.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:32 No.5504911
    scooby doo is possibly even less scary than timone and pumba
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:33 No.5504919

    dire wolf
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:34 No.5504927

    Evil Blink Dog
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:34 No.5504936
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:37 No.5504972

    Is there any decent Megara rule 34 out there, by the way? Every picture I've seen of her manages to butcher her look.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 08/18/09(Tue)16:37 No.5504976
    I have never played a tabletop game where we rescue a princess.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:40 No.5505004
    And I don't think you'll get to in this one.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:41 No.5505009

    You're missing out, Holmes. That's the bread and butter of the befuddled and badly-prepared DM.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:46 No.5505069
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    >Characters are randomly dragged between their own world and the fucked up nightmare - nobody beleives them and they're not even sure if it is real.

    What do you think Kingdom Hearts is? Mingame of a broken little boy, drugged beyond his senses, foaming on the mouth in a padded room of a secluded Disney-funded sanitarium.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:49 No.5505097
    Well yeah.

    But I was thinking more characters finish one plot arc, get to spend a couple of days in the real world, find out they've fucked stuff up (or whoever was controlling their bodies whilst they were in la-la land has fucked stuff up) and then get dragged back into fantasy world.

    Rather than 'you're in the padded room now bitch!'
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)16:51 No.5505120

    How about instead the go back and forth between one fucked up world and then the real world, while they visit a fucked up world while they're sleeping.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:53 No.5505130
    *Sometimes* you're in the padded room. Not always. It doesn't seem to correlate with the real or the fantasy world. And the room is always different.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)16:55 No.5505152
    I like this. Keep the players guessing as to what is going on.

    Now, villains: obviously the 'princess' are both the minibosses and the various objectives - but who is behind it all, who is the big bad?
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)16:58 No.5505178

    Yeah, Bad ending on a princess, BBEG gets stronger, Good Ending on a princess, BBEG get weaker.
    >> Stranger 08/18/09(Tue)17:05 No.5505245
    Really? What about a Prince?
    A Duke/Duchess?
    Rescuing royal types is always fun!

    I guess the main thing I got from this thread are a few great ideas for making the 'rescue' the beginning of the quest, with alot of crazy as fuck complications to follow it. Afterall, they can't all be as easy to manage as backpack princess.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:05 No.5505253
    How about....George Lucas as the ultimate villain?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:06 No.5505258
    yeah but who will BBEG be?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:09 No.5505286
    Walt disney
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:10 No.5505308
    You mean... Lich Disney.

    They said he was frozen until they find a cure. The truth is... he turned into a lich and now is residing in his icy lair to stop himself from decomposing.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:11 No.5505323
    And the tears of broken childhood sustain him.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:12 No.5505328
    him and an army of zombie nazis
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:16 No.5505385
    Okay, wait... how about this?

    Disney's body is frozen in stasis, but his subconscious wanders... in his life he sowed so much positive energy (i.e. happyness) that there wasn't enough left for him to continue living in a physical body. So now, his soul tortures people to destroy their positive feelings and return it to him to recover his spirit... or something like that.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:17 No.5505394
    or some small creepy mickey mouse club hypnotized kids
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:20 No.5505426
    Looking good.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:21 No.5505433
    i can see this actually happening
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:25 No.5505490
    Led into battle by pedobear.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:30 No.5505560

    Now the question is, how do you get the players involved? You could go the direct way, and have them be the recipients of this torture... or you could put a twist in it.

    The players are unknowingly the tools of Disney. They are basically sent into the nightmare world to kill the princesses. They are chosen because they have left their childlike happiness behind, and hence are ideal to shatter dreams... or have a twisted look on the world that twists the images of the story as well.

    After purging through some of the worlds, you should sneak in one or two "dreams" in which they get out by "fixing" the world. This should tip them off that maybe harpooning Ariel wasn't the correct choice...

    In the end, Disney reawakens. Maybe he is clueless, maybe he has a sudden "What have I done" moment...

    Hmm... maybe his little remaining positive energy should be the opposition? As you destroy worlds, it gets stronger, always trying to save the stories...
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:37 No.5505672
    It's...it's beautiful.
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)17:41 No.5505721

    The idea of using Disney sounds a wee bit idioc. I think a Faceless BBEG sounds better. Isn't the point of this to make it Horror or quasi-Horror, versus what amounts to Horror then end up turning into what can best be describes as a big RPing pun?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)17:45 No.5505787
    I'll admit it's trippy. You could replace Disney any number of ways; it could be a fictional author for example.

    Or you could use instead a kind of sapient collective imagination thing.Too much had been taken from it and now it wants it back. Actually, the idea that people are too happy right now and they shouldn't be because of some cosmic balance is intriguing... grim dark, but hey, we are grimming and darking up Disney.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:00 No.5506011
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    You know, in a world of Grimdark princesses, would the opposite occur and make someone like Frolo one of the "good" guys?
    >> Rogue Kitty !Z39279KCxs 08/18/09(Tue)18:02 No.5506056

    Hmm... maybe not exactly a white-hat sort of character, but probably a lighter shade of grey.
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)18:03 No.5506064

    You could make them so shit scared of what the princesses have become they instead want to do the good thing now and try to fix the world.
    >> Emperor's Champion !!WvKWIT7IN6o 08/18/09(Tue)18:04 No.5506078

    Radical inquisitor.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:07 No.5506114

    Hunchback of Notre Dame is on Youtube. There goes the rest of my day. Good thing I didn't have anything planned.

    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:17 No.5506227
    It should be case by case. They would be probably fucking terrified that things aren't going by the script. Frollo anyway. Some would probably try to use the break to meet his own ends, etc...
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:18 No.5506243
    Perhaps have him as an NPC, someone who may have some insight into what's going on. Possibly in creating the princesses, he created something else. . .unintentionally. . .
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:19 No.5506254
    Something unintentional went wrong. . .
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:22 No.5506282

    What's funny is that making Frollo a good guy would revert him some of the way back to his original characterization. In the novel, he really WAS a great guy, good and kind- with the secret flaw of wanting Esmeralda so much it drove him mad. He was a tragic character, not the out-and-out monster he is in the movie.

    And yes, making the villains heroes would be awesome. Evil Mulan fights against the victorious army that killed her- who now protect the populace of China from the Dragon Lady and her pet beast.

    The Queen of Hearts is the only source of stability in a land ruled by the Cheshire Cat's mad whimsy.

    Snow White's evil stepmother fights a constant battle against zombie dwarves made out of teeth and hatred, the last desperate stand of civilization against the dark and threatening wood.

    Maleficent is the only thing between Aurora and the death of all living things.

    Villains forced to become heroes because the heroes are so much worse than they ever could be. I love it!
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:25 No.5506319
    I love it!

    /tg/ I don't know what you've done, but I love it!
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:31 No.5506375
    Someone cap this.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:33 No.5506395

    And Ursula?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:36 No.5506413
    Clayton hunting Tarzan, who's responsible for killing his friends.

    Shere Khan making sure that the population of the jungle stays down, so food won't run out.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:38 No.5506447
    So, here's some stat possibilities for Snow White, because I'm fucking awesome, and /tg/ gets shit done.


    Level 10 Human Bard

    Str 10
    Dex 12
    Con 10
    Int 16
    Wis 20
    Cha 20

    Quote: " Surprised to see me, mother?"

    Spells: (Note: Snow White should have Bard spells to take advantage of her singing and former good looks, but she should also take "celestial" magic, and druid magic, to represent her being a former hero and her new nature alignment- explained in my splat below.)
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:39 No.5506455
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    The princess will now brief you on your next mission.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:39 No.5506458
    Khan should be killing villagers to keep them from overpopulating/taking away more from the jungle. The little girl is really a baby making machine or something.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:40 No.5506465
    Story: Snow White is a little bit tiffed. Offed by her evil step-mother, Snow White's pure, innocent soul was killed in an excruciating manner- the sort of pain no one should be put through, much less an innocent. Soon thereafter, the Seven Dwarves met their own ends, being fed deadly meals of their own by the Step-Mother, who posed as Snow White with a bit of quick illusion magic.

    That's when things went pear-shaped for the Queen. See, Snow White was innocent, and the spirit of the forest- the dark, deep woods- had become fond of her. She loved its animals, loved its paths, and was a sweet, kind thing. She didn't deserve to die.

    So, stretching it's powers, the Spirit took Snow White back. It put her in her own body again- but the afterlife leaves marks. Snow White's eyes are gone, replaced by dark pits, effectively blinding her; the things she saw, none living were meant to see, and she can't remember the afterlife at all. It doesn't help matters that the spirit can't actually make her live again, just inhabit her own corpse- effectively, an intelligent zombie.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:41 No.5506469
    On the other hand, the forest, hunting protectors, also dragged the Dwarves back. While it couldn't do much for their undead flesh, it could make them immune to what killed them- their great snapping teeth and jaws protect them from poisons of any kind.

    Furious at her death, and with the forest spirit's help, Snow White has decided to go to war. Capable of calling on the animals, she can also "see" by leashing at least one Dwarf to her side, using their eyes. She also carries the apple that killed her, since she wants to forcefeed the now rotting fruit to her step-mother.

    Unfortunately for humanity in general, though, Snow White bears a grudge against her own people, since they left her to die, so she attacks everyone she comes across. The Queen's taken to teaching everyone black magic to survive.

    Snow White should have Exalted feats, to mark her out as a hero, while the Queen should have Vile feats, to mark her out as a villain- though those roles have somewhat switched.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:49 No.5506562
    The question is:


    Can /tg/ think of anything?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)18:59 No.5506647
    What does a Keyblade do? I was under the impression that the Kingdom Hearts enemies were as susceptible to conventional weapons as anything else.

    That said:

    So, the Endboss is some form of "Negative Imagination Energy" that has shaped people's imaginations into twisted versions, and is made up of twisted versions of imaginations, and harvests its energy from people.

    Its presence alters a world, but subtly, or over a long period of time.

    When a Princess is destroyed, and that World's story ends, the Negative Imagination Energy is released and can be used to further subtly and slowly corrupt worlds. Presumably the Positive is absorbed into XP and loot for the players.

    The BBEG may be a bastion of Grimification, but he doesn't just throw his shadow over a world. He changes it a little.
    Then people's imaginations run wild, and the world becomes a little darker.
    Then he changes it a little again.
    And people's imaginations make the world become a little darker still.
    A little input from him, a LOT of negative energy as a result, waiting for someone to End the story and Release the energy...

    The players might think they can fight the Grim-ness by being more paranoid, or thinking outside the box.
    That's what fucks them.
    It's the players' own imaginations that subtly change the world they're in for the worse... Think planescape. With more darkness.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:03 No.5506674
    The Heartless result from what happens when a person imagines Themself as losing their soul to the grim, dark reality.
    A heartless does not so much Kill the people they're targetting (although they are capable of doing so), as make their target receive fear and hopelessness and a negative view of the world around them.
    It's not the Heartless that turn you into a monster.
    The Heartless merely change the looks of your environment.
    The one who turns you into a monster ... is yourself.
    And the world becomes a little darker...
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:04 No.5506684
    Sanity check!
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:08 No.5506721
    A keyblade, then, is a source of uncorruptable positive imagination. The players do not have one, and have to make do with their own limited imagination, and limited diplomacy, and their own bloody genocide of everyone who disagrees, in order to change the consensus of a world back towards good.
    Or perhaps, they just destroy it, netting themselves what good is left in the world (quite a bit), but also freeing up all the bad.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:16 No.5506779
    Of course, if you imagine a world where Genocide is the assbackwards solution to the world becoming negative, guess what happens?
    The world becomes filled with genocide, and that's all kinds of terrible.
    You've got to Accen~tuate the positive.
    Elim~inate the negative.
    Latch on~ to the affirmative
    And don't mess with mister in-between.

    But if you turn the world into a dance number, BBEG just uses a small amount of influence to make people think their jaws are sore, but they have to keep singing for the common good.
    And the people think they are slaves, prisoners in their own world to the tyranny of Rhythm and Melody.
    And the world gets a little darker...

    Everything you do gets Xanatos'd into some type of Bad Imagination end. Hope that the players have enough good imagination in 'em to change the world directly, enough charm to convince others the world isn't such a bad place, and the resolve to cut down anyone being too loud and negative WITHOUT having bad feelings about it.

    And then you'll end up having to cut Alice's head off again anyway when she picks up a polearm and charges at your ass. Well done, Hero! You planted a single flower in a square mile of shit.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:20 No.5506814
    Archive this please? Gotta sleep.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:24 No.5506840
    This thread ain't sagin' yet.
    One question, though:
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:24 No.5506846

    You drug everyone into being happy.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:26 No.5506861
    Here's a question, as it goes on, is there a dark concordant happening as the story goes on as the worlds seem to be sapped of all life, where they find out about each other? Or when they find out about each other, does it continue on with each of them trying to overwhelm the other's world with "Their" evil?

    P.S. This has been archived.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:26 No.5506868

    Alternatively: Wake up from the dreams, and find a way to stay out of them.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:27 No.5506869
    What do you imagine it would be, good sir?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:28 No.5506880
    No hope
    No victory
    Survival only
    Final destination
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:29 No.5506891
    How does Belle fit with this?

    Father driven mad, Beast hung, Belle raped by Gaston, out for revenge, that sort of thing?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:30 No.5506902
    Duh. You start playing for the winning team and find a way to get a piece of that sweet, sweet negative energy.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:32 No.5506915
    Well, no-one rapes like Gaston.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:34 No.5506927
    Everyone rapes Belle.
    But, some of it is good rape, and some of it is bad rape.
    And then all problems are solved with rape. Happily ever after the end.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:35 No.5506938
    Shit, I've made good characters kidnap a princess.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:37 No.5506951
    Hm. But if nobody actually shows up and kills the princess, the story doesn't end, and you don't actually GET any negative energy, do you?
    I mean you can turn yourself into a heartless, yeah, but your future employment prospects are then limited to "Heartless" and "Former Heartless".
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:41 No.5506985
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:44 No.5507012
    So the big bad is a tangle of fear, despair, doubt, horror that ultimatly represents the antromorphic form of Bad End?

    It calls in the players both because it feeds on their fears and disappointments but also because killing/destroying the princesses is the ultimate bad end, turning that which was good and fair into broken reflections of itself and then having them face an ignoble end?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:45 No.5507032
    Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to make the ex-villains heroes per say; they're just the lesser of two evils when compared to the mad princesses.

    The Queen of Hearts is still a vicious dictator who would rule the realm with an iron fist... but that's better than the inconceviable tortures that the Cheshire Cat inflicts on anyone he catches.

    A choice between a cruel stepmother and being viciously eaten by a pack of undead dwarves isn't much of a choice either, but the characters have to make such compromises in order to survive.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:46 No.5507033
    You are giviing me nightmares.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:49 No.5507069
    If you give yourself over to the negative, and then DON'T kill the princess, you're stuck on that world forever as a heartless.
    If you give yourself over to the negative, and then DO kill the princess, that world goes bye, and all the negative energy in it gets sent to the BBEG - including your immortal soul, you die.
    If you don't give yourself over to the negative, and then DON'T kill the princess, it looks like there's a good chance stuff with somehow end up worse anyway.
    If you don't give yourself over to the negative, and then DO kill the princess, the BBEG gets all the negativity that's saved up to that point, and uses it to inspire further negativity.

    How is this winnable?

    The players harvest (the remaining) Positive energy from the worlds they destroy, and I guess then they have to corrupt negative stories with positivity.
    The question, then, is:
    Does it take more energy to convert Bad to Good, or more energy to convert Good to Bad?
    What is stronger, and what does the universe tend towards?
    Is this a story about how the universe is Good, and given some creativity, anything can be improved and uplifted faster than the forces of Bad can destroy it?
    Or, is this a crapsack story about how Bad has a much easier time of screwing up all of (what's left of) the Good in the universe?
    Or is it some kind of story of balance, where nobody ever wins?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:52 No.5507107
    Yeah basically, but with Imagination!
    You Imagine horrible torture? You got it, son!
    You Imagine the kingdom collapsing under its own weight? Shit yeah, let's roll with that!
    You Imagine yourself turning into the monsters you hate? Well god damn john you are the demons, enjoy your demons.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:54 No.5507137
    In other words, it becomes a race against the clock. Break worlds as fast as possible as to harvest as much Positive power as possible as to outlevel the BBEG to destroy him. Then release the Positive stored in the PCs to restore the stories.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:58 No.5507172
    Add to that, there is of course not enough Positive left to restore the stories back to Disney level, thus the Grimm fairy tales are once more born for Disney to work with...

    History forever repeats.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)19:58 No.5507173

    And then after a few victories you pull an asshole DM trick and put the players in a world that is still unbroken.

    Will the players notice in time or will they follow standard procedure and hand The Broken a big victory?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:07 No.5507257
    Wrecking worlds levels the PC and the BBEG at the same rate, assuming 50% positive and 50% negative. If your PCs show up on a 100% positive "Not yet crapsack" world and proceed to wreck it, you bet your ass they're going to have moral sliding issues.

    I'm thinking the PCs don't represent Absolute Good, so much as they represent Good's ability to adapt, survive and thrive. The PCs have to use their own energy to right a world, while ensuring the BBEG spends a lot MORE energy trying to keep it broken. Or perhaps they just make the world 55% good, 45% bad. In the long run that's a victory.

    The players are dropped into a world whose initial situation is Twisted Disney, a world that runs on Imagination, and which is being played on both sides by the PC and the BBEG (assuming the PCs have worked this out yet. Don't tell them.).
    The winning move is to fight on worlds and make them a little better, so the PCs gain a slight edge, and it adds up.

    See? game is winnable with a bit of metaknowledge that you'll pick up by playing. :-)
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:10 No.5507277
    Yeah, players don't get XP from slaying helpless princesses, they have to fight for Good, same way whatever their enemies are schemes for Evil.

    Maybe that's why Mr. Lich Disney doesn't just go around harvesting World War II novels and H.P. Lovecraft. He can only harvest what he's changed INTO evil. Probably the same for the players - they only get XP for MAKING things good.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:11 No.5507289
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:14 No.5507311
    Evil's not Zero sum you dumbass. There's evil inherent in people's imaginations and the BBEG just screws things a little in order to bring it forth.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:19 No.5507356
    So this is just a race to see who can get the most expression from others' creativity?
    This is just a competition to see if others' imaginations produce more Good, or more Bad?

    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:21 No.5507373
    But in our version of disney, Jane and Pocahontas rape you.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:22 No.5507380
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)20:47 No.5507653
    So should we try doing stats? I mean, we could totally stat everyone, and give the Princesses a "negativity" stat- the total negative energy of their world.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)21:06 No.5507850
    And that the "Positive Energys" are items that had something to do with the story like
    jasmine- the Lamp
    Alice- the rabbit's clock
    Pocahontas- the compass
    Mulan- That hair things(I don't know)
    Belle- the rose
    (Need help with the other)
    Players must find those relics to fixs the world... my just thinking?
    >> Trap 08/18/09(Tue)21:07 No.5507860
    oh wow, I read that as
    >Alice- the rabbit's cock
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)21:09 No.5507874

    Esmeralda - The scarf or one of Quasimoto's dolls.
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)21:42 No.5508267

    I think there should be something about need to find some catalyst to fix the girls.

    Full list could be:

    Alice--Queen's Card Deck: And the PCs must beat her in a game of cards that when she loses, turns into a battle.
    Beauty-Petal's of Beast's Rose, which have to be fashioned into a necklace or so and placed upon her.
    Cinderella-Fairy Godmother's Wand, which must be used to summon back the FGM, who can perform the ritual to restore Cinderella to normal(but cinderella attacks, so you have to protect her).
    Jane-No item here. This should be fixed some otherway
    Jasmine-Aladdin is trapped somewhere, you have to free him, get the lamp to him so he can wish Jasmin to normal
    Mulan-No item to find, instead you need to lead her to her Ansector's cemtary and purge the connections between the angry spirits and the girl
    Pocahontas-Have to find 4 artifacts of her people (arrow of wind, amulet of rock, braiser or fire, chalice of water) and use them to expunge shadow spirits from her
    Sleeping Beauty-The needle of the spinnng wheel, which must be used to put her to sleep, then draw out her nightmares and destroy them.
    Snow White-Find a pure apple in a field or rot and use it to heal her.
    Little Mermaid-Find the shell that held her voice(and now her soul) and return her soul to her.
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)21:47 No.5508336
    Tink & Wendy (Composite boss)- Peter's feather, which, I don't know, thought to think of something
    Esmerelda-Quasimoto's Doll, Frolo's Cross, and Her scarf. Figure it also outyour self.
    Meg-An amulet which contain's Hercule's soul must be retrived from Hades for her.
    Nala-The PCs must reclaim pride rock.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)21:55 No.5508405
    Fuck, if you wanted to keep the game going on forever, you could use all of Disney's movies. My personal favorite?

    Brave Little Toaster. What normal person wouldn't flip their shit to find themselves in a world with walking, talking, moving appliances?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)22:00 No.5508451
    Nightmare Mode: Insert the Emperor's New Groove, the Black Cauldron, the Jungle Book, and Lilo and Stitch into this.

    Also, Wall-E and Up. And if you're willing to use the Studio Ghibli movies that Disney has released, My Neighbor Totoro.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)22:05 No.5508497
    I fucking love this thread. GG guys, keep it up.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)22:13 No.5508575


    Every time I think about that movie, I remember the part where the little guy is desperately trying to hold the plant receptacle open, and something gets in my eye and I REFLEXIVELY have to tear up to get rid of it.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)22:14 No.5508594
    Stitch is a crazy alien. Play off of that.

    Black cauldron shouldn't be that hard.
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)22:41 No.5508857
    So, what system does /tg/ recommend for this?
    >> Anonymous 08/18/09(Tue)22:45 No.5508884
    Black Cauldron is hard because Disney basically doesn't admit it ever existed and it's nigh impossible to find reference material for the movie version.

    It's like the Song of the South, except without any catchy music.
    >> Mr. Broken Sword 08/18/09(Tue)22:55 No.5508967
    WoD or D20 with Heros of Horror

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