Wir haben es nicht gewußt EditionWarmasters Triumvirate is an attempt at creating yet another 40k AU. The Primarchs have changed, and instead of appointing a single Warmaster upon returning to Terra, the Emperor is critically wounded on Ullanor. In order to make sure the Great Crusade continues, the Warmasters' Triumvirate is put in place. Tensions start running high and this eventually culminates in a civil war between Loyalists, Chaos Traitors and Separatists...Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEMChapter Constructor: https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloadsPrevious thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/54788355/Thread goals:>Attempt to get through the Brotherwar>Determine what happens at the Battle of New Hope>Determine when the Ruinstorm is created, and exactly who does it>Determinate how the Eastern Black Crusade goes down>Figure out what happens during the rest of the Brotherwar>Describe the Siege of Terra >Explain the Scouring>Finish up the Rise of the Ecclesiarchy>Start the path towards the War of the Beast>Make sure more busts get done
>>54927159Totally cool. I imagine that this is the guy that the permanent Titan Marcher auxillary to the Sentinels works with.>>54931790I'll try to get on that. Something dealing with the aftermath of Raj's death. Or maybe the death itself, I'll have to talk to Deshain about that.>>54932210I like these guys, but Divine's Crusaders isn't a great name. Divine Crusaders is fine, it's just the 's that makes it kinda weird.
>>54933415>NameAcknowledged>Raj's deathWhat haunts me the most is how the fuck does someone sneak into a fucking manned Titan, a Primarch, nothing less
>>54934114It's not as much sneaking, as (Daemon?) Deshain rushing a damaged section of the Apocalyptican with a chunk of his marines and a horde of daemons and getting in.
>>54934114I still really want him to ride one of the legion jetbikes through the front Armour glass. Seeing as the Legion uses lots of them he'd probably have one handy. Makes for an epic entry too and goes well with his ghost rider final form.
>>54934160This makes more sense tho. You still have the close defense weapons but with enough bodies they are no problem.>>54934347That would kill him instantly, and the glass wouldn't break. These monstrousities are so heavily armored that I wouldn't be surprised if the glass itself is armored too.
>>>54922905Ashur usually invites people into an environment where they can figuratively see eye to eye with him, seating himself opposite of his guest across a finely crafted table. Depending on the situation, he would serve food and water, or leave the table undecked, especially if he wanted to signal his unwillingness for talk to the other party.
>>54934714Wazzdaka did it, and he isn't even a Primarch!
>>54935036>OrkThat's your explanation right there.
>>54935588I just mean a Primarch could pull it off. Don't haveto do it that way, I just imagine it being cool, like the horse scene in Young Guns 2.
>>54934347That i want see too. ^^
>Rimac and the Cult of NarcissusUnlike his fellow Golden Mountains, Rimac had been born with a natural talent for oratory, his voice armonious and his wording varied and creative.Naturally, a mighty warrior and capable psyker as well, by the time Pacha was found, Rimac had reached the rank of Chapter Master; and upon noticing that his father's oratory wasn't that great, he took pride in his own skills.When Plant-Singing was spread amongst the legion, Rimac chose to take to perfecting it, practicing during all his free hours, recording it and listening to his own voice to see where he faltered or failed. In a way, he started to become enthralled by it himself.One day, while passing through Pacha's botanic gardens for inspiration, he came upon a white flower, a Narcissus, it seemed. Inspired, he took the most healthy looking one, and took it to his personal quarters, Plant-Singing to keep it alive and beautiful.Yet, one day, as he listened to his recordings, frustrated, as he seemed to have hit a roadblock in his way to perfecting his chanting. Yet he heard a whisper, promising a way to go further ahead. It came from the flower, softly swaying as a musical voice came from it. It spoke of Slaneesh, and how giving himself to the Prince of Excess would lead him further with his song.Yet giving himself alone was not enough, for the flower told him that revealing the existence of the god to his fellow marines would only lead to his swift end. Thus, it told him to wait, teaching him new ways to use his song.Thus, time later, Rimac managed to keep himself and his chapter in reserve during the fight at Ullanor, managing to escape the censuring, and when Pacha lead his Legion's ships through the Warp towards home, Rimac made his move. He went to the generator rooms and sang to the servitors, Mechanicum adepts and Tech Marines there, and had them overload the Gellar Field generators.>Cont
>>54938291To Pacha and the rest of the Golden Mountains, Rimac's chapter had just been lost in what probably had been a total failure in the ship, and had their ships checked again to make sure such a tragedy never happened again.Yet in Rimac's ship, Slaneeshi daemons twisted the minds of the Golden Mountain marines there, turning them to the worship the youngest Chaos God. Naming his chapter the Cult of Narcissus, and painting the flower upon their shoulderpads, these Chaos Marines eventually joined Mot Hadad's attack on the Separatists.The Cult of Narcissus are obsessed with perfecting their delicate songs, with angelic-like tunes being chanted in perfect harmony as they slaughter their foes in the battlefield. They dislike the discordant sound of Bolters and many other ranged weapons, restricting themselves to lasrifles or sorcery when ranged combat is necessary. Those amongst the cult that earn the favor of Slaneesh are mutated to have lither, more agile movements, as they dance while fighting, in a parody of Eldar warriors, and their vocal cords cause even more beautiful songs. To the unprepared mind, the song is alluring and soothing, to the point of fascination, if not total mind control.
>Kadirian languageKadirian people speak a common language with some pronunctiation variants, and a handful of dialects can be found scattered around the planet.It's a rich language, and very old indeed. Some texts from just before the colonization the planet are already written in an unevolved form of Kadirian. Scholars say that the language predates even the Human colonization of the Galaxy. For Kadirians, is way easier to understand High Gothic than Low Gothic, as many words of both languages are very simmilar between each other. This makes the rest of the Imperium believe that Kadirians are way above the average Imperial citizen culturarly, while the Kadirian people is aware that this, in fact, isn't true. Kadirian is still used by the Silver Blades Legion, even by M41. They use it to communicate between each other, at a squad, tactical and strategical levels, creating some kind of "battle cant" that is just a normal conversation and cried orders between the Astartes soldiers.
>Earthquake HammersInspired by Pacha's weapon, Resolve, marines of his legion developed a way to deal with the larger demons and other xeno threats they faced that would be otherwise too difficult to handle in melee. Earthquake Hammers are massive, perfectly balanced polehammers, and while the swing arc would otherwise telegraph the blow to a smaller foe, against the bigger Daemons (and later, the bigger Sothanids as the most notable examples) the massive momentum behind the hammer would allow for any hide, armor or scales to be crushed through. Alongside the increased reach, this weapon allows the Golden Mountain marine to fight in equal grounds against such foes. However, this same size restricts the weapon to be used only by the strongest of the Golden Mountains, and a select few amongst members of other Legions and their successor chapters.Because it's an otherwise impractical weapon, it has been constructed to be of easy assembly and disassembly, so that the marine may carry it on his back and ready it as needed.(Basically, these are Daemonhammers, Space Marine+-sized)
>>54938291>>54938379These guys are cool, we talked a little bit about them before. I'm not sure about the scheme though; it's a very generic Slaanesh scheme and I feel like there might be something more appropriate.>>54940693it's just Spanish lol>>54940817Brutal
>>54941995But you can't just say "SPANISH IN SPESS"
>>54941995Aye, I kept the GMs' psyker dark blue/purple, then swapped the gold for the white (for the Narcissus's Color), and the red for the pink to signify Slaneesh. Any alternatives?
>>54942578Actual narcissi are white, with a yellow center. Maybe that's something we could go with?
This is something that was proposed a couple of days a go, but I suppose that we should get some actual confirmation on it.Rahman is a rogue trader. As such, he'd be quite adept at navigating the unknown reaches of space and especially finding particular points of interest. How about Rahman actually speeds up the process of Primarchs being rediscovered?That would mean that after Rahman, who is the tenth to be discovered, we could have slightly less time between discovery dates, and allow ourselves a bit more breathing room when writing stories where the brotherhood interacts.
>>54943880Ashur is the tenth discovered primarch. Yours is the ninth.Apart from that, I think this is worth a shot.
>>54943880I support it, having a strong logistical base and expanded resources for discovery would speed it up, and would be a narrative necessity for more influential Primarchs
>>>54931790Well the Loxodontii were supposed to be at the Siege, as well, with two chapters going rampant while the rest is herded against the Imperial palace, modifying their transports to be weaponplatforms and rounding up civilian slaves.
>>54944055Yeah I think leave Ashur 10th and just swap Rahman with Elsu who is 9th. As ot won't step on anyone's toes to move Elsu.Then I think speeding the dates up is a cool idea.
Hot opinions inbound. Put your boxing gloves on, these are gonna be some big onesThere have been complaints that the Doomsingers don't have a strong legion identity. While I understand this criticism, you need to understand what the Legion represents, and why they were broken into three chambers. I didn't even understand why I didn't until just know, but the symbolism has become clear to me. Some legions hate their primarch, and vice versa, others have a healthy relationship with their primarch. But the Doomsingers ARE their primarch. Kincaid is a highly hypocritical individual, a scholar putting on airs as a mythic barbarian hero. Deep down he hates himself, but that venom never reveals itself until his skin is ripped off by the warp and he casts himself into the pit of fanaticism. Now what does this have to do with the Chambers, what is their identity? They represent what he aspires to be and what he will become (Valdor), what he has built himself into and the person he was (Fyrax) and who he really is, and in the end what he may have been if things had happened differently. The Emperor and his kingdom presents Kincaid with this hitherto unknown ideal, a scientist and mythic soldier who can bear the mantle of humanity's leadership on his shoulders alone. He aspires to the High Gothic ideal, and Chamber Valdor makes that clear. Chamber Valdor is the Emperor's Song, but in his subconscious vanity, it becomes Kincaid's Song. But in the end, he DEFINES what High Gothic really means by perverting the very thing he aspired for.
>>54944827Fyrax is his past, the armor he adorned himself in to survive alone in Kaliborn Septima, that of the bold warrior of the north, the frigid wind whipping his hair, song in his heart and axe in hand. Fyrax is built up to be Kincaid's true legion, the most accurate reflection of the Primarch. In truth its a Monument to his home, of the frigid tundra and roving savages that turned him from boyish scribe to battle hardened skald. It is the song of Kincaid, but it is also the song of Yvar, of Kaliborn Septima, of the Valorous Band. Once he sits upon the throne of the Ecclesiarchy, Fyrax becomes the song of past, the song of what he WILLINGLY gave up. Fyrax serves as a tragic reflection of the charming Primarch from the snow swept wastes, lost forever in the fires of war. Ballamüt to everyone else seems like a fuck up. Why break up the legion like this? Sure, have an elite band to exalt the Emperor and his personal guard, but what purpose does this splinter serve? Of course Kincaid likes to say that he did it so the Legion could continue as they had before he was found, to become their own being, just as he had. And this is true, Kincaid felt uncomfortable wiping away the Legion culture that came before him, yet he felt it was necessary to imbue his legacy and his father's legacy into his sons. After all, he was raised as an archivist, a philosopher, a scribe. Revisionism and censorship was abhorrent to him back when he still had ideals to betray. But it's also a lie. For Ballamüt, perhaps unconsciously, and perhaps because in the end personality can be influenced by the gene-seed, represents Kincaid's true self.
>>54945047 Depending on how you look at the legion, either Valdor or Ballamüt are the black-sheep, the Chamber least coherent with the legion at large. Valdor is this false, saccharine attempt to emulate the Custodes, but roaring barbarians in spirit all the same, and Ballamüt is a bizarre adherence to pre-primarch culture, but the way they fight is similar to Fyrax and there is a subtle superstitious quality reminiscent to the dread singers and rune priests and shamans of Fyrax. But that superstitious quality is actually a deep studious nature, akin to the nature of Chosen or the Host. Ballamüt is the legion most prepared for peace, just like Kincaid. The chamber is dutiful, scholarly, efficient, and brutal but not without zeal or compassion. Fyrax has a penchant for glory hounding and ramble rousing, Valdor a haughty attitude and veneer of imperialness concealing a wretched barbarism, but Ballamüt hardens itself to make itself more like its brothers to conceal a quite studiousness. This is Kincaid's heart, his true self. And in the end, the rejection of his true nature to be a leader and warrior in the Crusade is what drove the kind and valorous Ballamüt into embitterment and into the hands of Chaos. Even those loyal within the Chamber choose to fight fire with fire by turning to Chaos, embracing the unknown unlike Kincaid. I suppose if there was a part of my slice of the project that was the most like Lorgar, it is in Ballamüt's desire for acceptance, their repressed scholarliness, and the inevitable hunt for primordial truth. Once they fall into Chaos, Kincaid's desire for brotherly competition was fulfilled, (playing into the cruel irony prevalent in the Doomsingers) as the Chamber develops into a scholar-warrior lodge, the disparate warbands devoting themselves to the different Gods and skirmishing and plotting and dueling to strengthen one another and for the glory of their gods.
>>54945283 All save the spoke that is the Malalite Doomsingers on which the wheel that is the rest of the chamber. Once again, Ballamüt represents Kincaid. Outwardly the whole of the chamber is devoted to a faith, but the heart of the chamber, the progenitors of the traitorous warbands, hates the whole. It strikes against it at any given opportunity, for in a way, it acts as a tether to the past, as a reminder of what has been lost and at what cost. Just as Kincaid hates himself for what he deems as a necessary perversion of the Imperial Truth, and his deification of his father, and his actually vital assumption of the Imperial Faith, though he hates the crown upon his brow, and the seat on Terra from which he built the church. So again Ballamüt represents not only Kincaid could have been, had he fallen to chaos, but what he really is, deep behind inscribed bandages and warp tainted flesh. As the Malalite marines amass their power to challenge their traitorous brethren, and strike out against the other legions, they begin to mirror Kincaid's own coming to peace with the monstrosities he's built, and the horrors he has committed, before leaving a seed of lasting hope to blossom into a successful and more noble Imperium. Though the Black Knights' methods are dark, their intentions are true, and there are few things more relevant to the Burned Prophet. Meanwhile the children of Valdor and the sons of Fyrax are often at each others' throats, as the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition are to the Space Wolves in the OU. Kincaid of the Faith and Kincaid of Kaliborn Septima, battling amongst themselves for eternity, while Kincaid of the Pen, Kincaid of the lute, and sonnet, and noble cause wages a hidden war amongst itself in the Eye of Terror.So what's the Legion identity? Whats the Legion cut down to its core? Hypocrite bards bearing axes and doubt.
>>54943209So, something like this?
>>54945898Or a v3 since I heard a darker yellow might go better.
>>54945994Yeah dog, that's sweet. Roll with that one.
>>54944827>>54945047>>54945283>>54945455So clarifying statement is out of the way. Let's talk about about Chaos Doomsingers. Prepare your REEEs, brothers.So I haven't worked out all the details, but the thought is that the Loxodontii and the Leviathan Host want to see how effective Chaos is a memetic weapon. Point and click, plant the seed of Chaos, let it water itself and grow, grasping tendrils spreading across the hearts and minds of its victims. Chamber Ballamüt was a perfect target. The un-favored sons of one of the most popular primarchs, they were estranged, stranded, and infamously uncharacteristically secluded. Emissaries from both openly infiltrate the Chamber and quietly poison the marines. By the time First Captain Ballamüt finds out, his chamber is already swept up in chaos. Stranded and outnumbered, the loyalist marines are put into a corner. So Malal, just like Hashut, sees an opportunity. He gives them an option. Kill Chaos in my name, and I will give you the power to kill Chaos. A positive feedback loop of Chaos killing. Ballamüt takes the deal. Thus begins the bullshit Tom and Jerry/Spy versus Spy routine that Chamber Ballamüt becomes, the larger chamber clashing from the Malalite marines, each side waxing and waning in power, Malal growing ever stronger all the same. By mid 40k he outpaces Hashut and is close to the Big Four. As for the Chamber Itself, they distance themselves from the Doomsinger's brand, and do some rebranding of their own. Thus begins the Ouroboros Kult.The Kult, just like Papa Kin, sees their object of faith a little differently than most. To them, Chaos is like a serpent eating its own tail, forever ad infinitum, growing stronger and longer with every bite, its self destructive nature its greatest strength and greatest weakness. Should the snake take too big a bite it will kill itself, or stunt its growth. Take too small a bite and it shall loose its strength and begin to wither and die.
>>54946174So the ever hungering serpent trucks along steadily munching at its own tail, its self inflicted punishment growing its own strength. So the Ouroboros Kult fights amongst itself, with other Legions, with the Malalite Black Knights. But when it comes to the Kult itself, their battles are more like intramural scrimmages, rather than full out wars. They never come out of a battle with losses too heavy to defend themselves, and always end conflicts with a hand shake and horn (or skull cup) brimming with mead, and various activities to exalt their god, like rancorous music origies, ritual knife fighting competitions or bloodletting, daemon summoning or astral projection into the warp, or cook offs. As for actual dogma, beyond the symbology of the snake, they view Chaos as a great wheel, four main spokes representing the Four Ruinous powers, the spokes between representing either minor deities like Hashut or Be'lakor or twin worship of two gods, recognizing the duality or overlapping nature of the Gods. The Gods themselves aren't two sure what to make of this, and can punish and reward such bands in equal measure. Of course, the axle upon which the Great Wheel of Chaos spins is Malal himself, the Ur-God of Chaos. To worship him directly is to tempt the death of Chaos, the "too large a bite". But in fighting each other in grand tournaments or duels or battles, or even in earnest, they feed the God of Chaos Onto Itself. That the Black Knights have the patronage of Malal earns them a mythic, near Angelic or Saintly position within the Kult, and whenever the Knights arrive on the scene, they are received like holy emissaries of Chaos itself, and to fight them and win is to truly strengthen Chaos, as it shows Chaos' mastery over itself (a principle they refer to as the "Hypocritical Order"). The Black Knights fucking hate this.In the eyes of some Traitors, this might as well be the organized religion of ChaosNow here's where I really get to piss people off
>>54946442Because my first army was Khorne berzerkers, I thought it would be neat to have the Kult warband devoted to Khorne to have Berzerkers, Doomsingers being vikings by and large. Then I figured, well Doomsingers were basically Noise Marines, so the Slaaneshi warband could have Noise Marines proper, then I figured that well Kincaid was based off of Joshua Graham, so why not have hard to kill Plague Marines in the Nurglite warband? Then at this point I was just like fuck it as said, why not have the Tzeentchian warband have Rubric Marines? I could just chalk it up to Tzeentch inflicting the Flesh-Change upon the warband, and some poor sorcerer pulls an Ahriman.So we have generic cult marines in the Ouroboros Kult. That's it
>>54946581HOT OPINION NUMBER 3Sothanites/Sothanids (I prefer the former I think it sounds better, but I understand the attraction to the later) A neat idea I had is that once the Souls get wiped out on Sotha, and the Hive Fleet is nearly destroyed, that the fleet isn't so much destroyed as it is sublimated. Inspired by this thread inspired by a wholesome christian web comic >>54906956 I was thinking that maybe the Hive Fleet becomes more like a plague, maybe like the Flood, or Immulsion from Gears of War, or Necromorphs from Dead Space, or the Thing, or Clickers from Last of Us. Tyranid invasions become a lot more passive, and while Genestealer infestations are more like terrorist groups, a Tyranid invasion proper is more like an unstoppable plague. Maybe the psychic biomass from the Souls can make it a little more interesting, but right now I'm just throwing the idea out there.
>>54946174>>54946442>>54946581>>54946800I'll let this rest for tonight. And pick back up in the morning, once folks have caught up and chipped in
>>54946907I don't see why this idea of several warbands dedicated to different gods would piss anyone off, seems perfectly legit. I'll admit I just assumed that all Doomsingers where a stones throw away from joining Slannesh so them making normal noise marines seems legit, from what you've described though it would seem that your chaos third of Doomsingers would just be a chaos undivided group. Then within the organisation they'd split into splinter cells dedicated to each god that may eventually pull the chamber apart. Kind of like how 1 different religions pop out of older ones in the real world based on a different view point of the original? That's just how I see it anyway, ultimately it's up to you.
>>54948047Raj doesn't like the fact that I want to give the big four warbands the generic cult marines. Berserkers, Plague Marines, Rubric, Noise etcAnd if there's anything that the legion would have fallen to en masse, its old school Khorne>1v1 fite me fgt irl: The God>Hates sorcery (even though technically doom-singing is as sorcerous as Rune Priests)>Honourable afHad Kincaid let his rage get the better of him, the galaxy would have to deal with Axe murderer Dragonborn.As for the Kult organization, the chapters fall to different Chaos Gods, or worship disciplines that combine the tenants of two gods into a single faith and each chapter, now a warband, contributes to the whole by fighting and practicing their methods of faith for their God/beliefs. They're basically a giant fight club church, but there's a bunch of other things to do other than fightan to praise the gods. In keeping with Doomsinger tradition, the Kult would have shit loads of mortals, from fighters, to practitioners, to slaves. I wonder how seriously the other traitor legions would take this "church"
>>54944827>>54945455>>54945283>>54945047I really like all of this, a lot.Oddly enough, I think that Ballamut would get along rather nicely with the Dusk Phantoms.>>54946174>>54946442Good, good. Loving this.>>54946581Seems reasonable to me.>>54948141DO IT DO IT>>54946800Tell me more? This sounds interesting.
Another one I'm working on:It was quite hot beneath the triple suns of Gamgran Septimus. Not warm enough to be truly uncomfortable to an astartes, but hot enough to make the seemingly endless parade of banners and honors that Lord Gehrein had organized wearisome, and Tlashar had little patience for that sort of thing even on the best of days. He tried to empty his mind and simply be in the moment, but the pointlessness of the exercise vexed him. They had, after all, just spent close to a standard terran year fighting alongside each other and the minutiae of the Star Wa... Knights Stellaris heraldry was by now quite familiar to him and everyone else on this rock. There was no machine spirit to satisfy and the honors would be displayed again before and again after each bout of the tournament. All this did was wear out the serfs.None the less, Tlashar respected the Knights Stellaris and the Corsairs Gallant as warriors and so put up with their eccentricities, including this one. Tlashar supposed he could ponder their concepts of honor and what this display revealed about them, but frankly, he was not in the mood, nor had any desire to get into such a mood. Tlashar so seldom found himself in a saturnine state that he resolved to get the most of this.Stupid suns.Stupid banners.Stupid day.
>>54949177It was, of course, absurd. It was hardly the stars’ fault that they shone. They shone in accordance with their way and their Motive Force. Same with the banners.Even Gehrein was acting according to his Motive Force. Karma.It was quite funny, actually. Gehrein dragging the banners along with him for some sort of ritual ostensibly enacted for the benefit of an audience who would mostly rather be anywhere else.Tlashar suppressed a chuckle.Really, what was interesting, he supposed, was that the Knights Stellaris had so much ritual before the games. In the Phantoms, you just had your bout. Simple.That and the way the Knights Stellaris, and the Corisairs Gallant, too, for that matter, handled heraldry. Each had endlessly labyrinthine ranks and honors related to place in a command structure. Looking at Gehrein’s personal banner, for example, told you exactly how important a commander he was and gave you a rough estimate about how many men he commanded. Any given Corsair told you something similar, but more about the types of enemies they’d slain.Personal heraldry in the Phantoms was stylized, geometric symbols, often floral, stellar, or mechanical. Usually there was a poem about something significant the warrior had meditated on, but if you wanted rank and service record, you’d have to check and scan the hash code. Heraldry was for identifying commanders and their cohorts, not individuals. How odd.Though now that he thought of it, it explained a lot about how they thought and how they fought.The Knights always had their champions and their challenges. Phantoms just killed.
>>54949203Gehrein was rather proud of the entire affair, sharing none of Tlashar’s boredom. The pennants shone in the suns’ light, textile work fit for tapestries adorning on each, each one bearing its owner’s tale. The Dusk Phantoms’, by contrast, were quite plain. Gehrein didn’t quite understand what the devices indicated and how you told rank, but it didn’t worry him over much. This would be a proper tournament to honor the conclusion of a grueling campaign. He looked over the assembled astartes, trying to pick out notables. He soon noticed Captain Tlashar, though in truth this was to be expected, the wild modifications to the mkV plate made Tlashar stand out even from the rest of his legion. Tlashar’s faceplate was worked into a snarling deathmask, an auspex modeled as a fierey third eye in the middle of the helm. Horns curled from the top of the helmet. The plate itself was worked in obsessive detail with inscriptions and the odd filigree of the Dusk Phantoms. It reminded Gehrein of flames, waves, mountains, or clouds depending on his mood and the light. He had never asked. Overlaying this were elements Gehrein typically associated with the Techmarines, but this seemed reasonable, given his understanding of the relationship between the Machine Cult and the Dusk Phantom’s command structure. He suspected that Tlashar was likely also ordained as a Magos, but he had never asked this either. Tlashar was open and enthusiastic about matters of the campaign, but always seemed to get more information out of Gehrein than Gehrein got from him.Even without his augmetics, he was going to be a formidable opponent, Gehrein thought. Or at least he should be. He had seen Tlashar on the battlefield, the roar of his jump pack lost to the fury of the fight as Tlashar smashed aside foes. Though, now that he thought about it, he had never actually seen Tlashar duel.
>>54949221 The closest he could think of was when Tlashar had slain a monstrous command automata that stood taller than a dreadnought. Tlashar had stood, looking at it for a moment, absolutely still. In a blur, he hurled an odd dagger at it and then rushed at it with his jump pack screaming. The dagger found its target in an auspex slit even as Tlashar leapt up, twisting in a single smooth motion, dodging between flailing mechadendrites and massive crushing limbs to plant his blade in the automata’s cogitator, landing gracefully behind it even as it collapsed behind him.And on Nuugis, hadn’t Tlashar slain the Overlord?Tlashar had paused then, too, before committing himself fully to the attack, slipping beneath the Overlord’s guard and slicing him from hip to shoulder in a single smooth cut.No, Tlashar did not duel. He skipped the entire process. But of course, he could hardly do that here, at a tournament.Tlashar had thought of this, too. The tournament bouts, like any bout were a game, and all games had rules. He’d actually discussed it with some of his battle brothers once they had found out that the tournament was to be, in the traditional manner of the Knights Stellaris, to the first blood. They’d had a long debate.It had occurred to all of them, rather quickly, that if the goal was merely to make the opponent bleed, as opposed to score touches or similar methods, then one could win the bout rather quickly simply by charging in and applying one’s fist to the opponent’s nose. This would produce the desired blood. This, they figured, would be simpler than scoring a touch with the blade. After some debate, they agreed that while technically viable, this violated the spirit of the rules and they agreed not utilize that particular loophole and simply fight as though it was in Stovokor style, scoring a touch of sufficient pressure and time on the designated target area.
>>54949235Tlashar had observed the way the Knights fought. It reminded him vaguely of the way the Custodes fought on the one occasion he had been honored to share the field with that hallowed group. The Knights preferred massive broadswords or blade and shield, but their stances had that same elegance and space to them.... jump here. Not sure how to get them to the fight, probably throw in a Corsair watching and finding the whole thing equally odd, observing Gehrein watching Tlashar and musing on just how odd the Dusk Phantoms fought. Something about the way their motions are all in an odd unison, as if they were all following a silent metronome. The Corsair has heard some rumors about the Phantoms and figures that it's a mind link and thinks about how confining that would be, not to have space to think, space to fight.... eventually the thing proper happens.Tlashar gets into the arena and the heraldry of his opponent is paraded by. Tlashar announces that he will honor his opponent in the way of Stovokor.His opponent, Sir Bors looked quite surprised at this, clearly expecting that Tlashar would have his serfs parade his own heraldry. "Just as well", thought Tlashar, "he won't know that I'm lying". In truth, the Magi of Stovokor and Astartes of the XVth cared little for such displays. In the dueling ring (or strategium simulation or war-engine's collegium), all were notionally equal and so the lesson and artistry was a reciprocal gift from a brother to a brother. In theory, the rawest neophyte could challenge the most experienced siege-master to a siege scenario, but in practice, there was hierarchy.None the less, the XVth's 'warrior lodge' was a place of unity and to duel without that brotherhood struck Tlashar as quite alien.He moved swiftly, before any response from another Phantom could betray him, faced his opponent growled.
>>54949542Sir Bors thought his opponent had lost his mind as he dropped into a low stance and began rhythmically slapping his thighs, but then the entire Dusk Phantoms contingent followed, the ring of ceramite on ceramite. Then they began to chant belligerently, in perfect unison, stomping their ceramite clad boots with it. As the tempo quickened, they began to make odd hand guestures and move their arms into ritual positions Bors thought he recognized from Dusk Phantoms satutes. It was some sort of dance.Tlashar advanced and and moved in an arc around Bors. Then the chant and dance stopped as suddenly as it had begun and Tlashar stepped forward and took Bor's hand in the Terran style of brotherhood. "Before it was just a fight. Now it is a duel", Tlashar explained laconically.Bors wasn't quite sure what he had just witnessed (nor were any of the other Knights and Corsairs assembled), but he was certain that it had been some sort of initation and that the Phantoms had extended a hand of brotherhood not simply to him, but to everyone there that day.>And that's what I've got so far. From there, I think they fight, but I'm not really sure what to do, since it's a duel.
>>54946174This is fine, this is like. One thing though:>Malal growing ever stronger all the same. By mid 40k he outpaces Hashut and is close to the Big Four.I have some issue with this. For one, I don't think that Malal is the kind of entity you can give any sort of real power level too. Secondly, I don't think that the Black Knights, or whatever their name will be, will someone be able to give their god more strength than those that worship Hashut.>>54946442This is kind of alright as well, mainly saved by the fact that this is just this insane cult's religion. We should not actually elevate Malal into some Prime Chaos God or whatever.>>54946581Yeah, this is still the bit I take issue with.The problem I see with bringing all four of the classic Chaos Marines in, is that you start to water down what a Doomsinger is. At that point, a Doomsinger can be pretty much everything, considering that they can basically be World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Death Guard and Emperor's Children as well. Like to you before, I think it'd be WAAAAY cooler, to have Khornate, Slaaneshi, Nurglite, (Hashutan) and Slaaneshi Noise Marines, just look at pic related, because that's what the Doomsingers are. This is the one thing that I really think you're going too far on, to a point where you're watering down the identity of the Doomsingers.>>54946800I can see this working, though I prefer the idea that the Hive Mind kind of shatters, and that the Hive Fleets gain more autonomy. >>54948047>>54948141Exactly what Kincaid said. I don't mind the fact that they essentially become an almost organized Chaos Undivided cult; I actually like that. It's the generic cult marines I don't like, as I feel they remove some of the core identity of the Doomsingers.Doomsingers should be Noise Marines, no matter the deity.
>>54949177>Star Wa... Knights StellarisHehehe. Just so you know, the XVIIIth calls itself the Knights Stellaris, but the rest of the Imperium calls them the Star Warriors, like the Space Wolves/Vlka Fenryka.>>54949203I like this a lot, going into the nature of three legion's heraldry. I should consider exactly how the Marchers do it.>>54949221>>54949235>>54949542Good stuff, good stuff. I like pieces like these, where Astartes cultures clash, but they still have a lot of respect for one another.>>54949746Wow, Tlashar, great moves! Proud of you!
>>54951308>Secondly, I don't think that the Black Knights, or whatever their name will be, will someone be able to give their god more strength than those that worship Hashut.Fighting amongst Chaos feeds Malal. Pure and simple. That the Black Knights go out of their way to do so just means they are able to grant him power more efficiently>I can see this working, though I prefer the idea that the Hive Mind kind of shatters, and that the Hive Fleets gain more autonomy.Nothing in the universe will make me REEEE harder. You can't put a power cap on Malal then say you can break the Hive Mind
For someone new to the AU and willing to dig through already assembled material but wanting a basic idea before I do - can someone give me a quick understanding of the nature of the Separatist faction - their goals, motives, methods? Moreso than a different set of Primarchs, it's the idea of a shift in the paradigm of Traitor V. Loyalist that interests me about Warmasters' Triumvirate.
>>54954071>Fighting amongst Chaos feeds Malal. Pure and simple. That the Black Knights go out of their way to do so just means they are able to grant him power more efficientlyThere is absolutely no way that a third of a legion, better yet, a fraction of a third of a legion, is able to somehow propel Malal to such a powerful level. I have zero issue with Doomsingers worshipping Malal, it's just that we shouldn't make Malal the end all be all of Chaos or whatever.>Nothing in the universe will make me REEEE harder. You can't put a power cap on Malal then say you can break the Hive MindFor one, those are two entirely unrelated things. Two, when I say shatter, I don't mean kill, I mean literally break into apart into several smaller hiveminds. Dunno, I don't want to change the basic nature of the Nids too much anyway. I'd rather them go even more primal and feral, than elevated to a more sophisticated level.
>>54951308From a design-standpoint, I would agree with you 100% on that ChaosDoomsingers should be Noise Marines.However the lore states that they use sonic weaponry "among other things", and indeed the way Kincaid makes them out to be their acoustic component is not as much at the core than their religiousness (if I interpreted the wall of text correctly). We should keep in mind that noise marines are ultimately not using sonic weaponry to harm others but because they provide an auditoriy stimulation to themselves while being extremely harmful to enemies. Doomsingers are chanting very, very loudly, which they may do with whatever weapon in hand. As such, the singing aspect is an oratory celebration, so I can see where Kincaid is coming from.As far as having "Noise Marines" of different deities, I doubt you can actually be a "Noise Marine" without the excrutiating body altering surgeries and the blessings of slaanesh. It would come down to Undivided marines utilising a form of sonic weaponry or invoking some warpfuckery because they're constantly yapping in a fugue their praises to Chaos.In equal measure, maybe, have the dedicated marines of other deities be gently watered down versions of them.
>>54954094There are a few things that makes them split off. But the thing that starts the ball rolling is mostly that the Primarchs are not united on how the Imperium should be run. The Imperials let the mortals run the place thinking that is Emps true vision. The Seps see mortals as inferior and unable to govern. There are a few altercations and eventually war breaks out.
>>54954094The Separatists are essentially the 30k Imperium, brought into the 41st Millenium.Without going into too much detail, after the Emperor's internment into the Golden Throne during the Ullanor campaign the Warmasters' Triumvirate is put into place. Malador takes control over most Imperium spanning matters.Eventually, Malcador starts to transition power from the crusading Astartes forces and Triumvirate, to the Lords of Terra. This does not go over well. One of the three Primarchs making up the Triumvirate declares that he believes that Astartes should be the ones in charge. After all, they're genetically superior.The conflict between the Pro-Mortals and Pro-Astartes groups eventually comes to a head, which is also the moment the Chaos Legions choose to attack. The Brotherwar happens, and the two sides are cut off for a long time. By the time the (extended) Ruinstorm wanes, religion has taken a foothold in the Imperium, which proves to be the final nail in the coffin for anyone looking to reunite the two sides.The Separatists form a confederate state, seven states making up a collective whole. They're run by Astartes governors and in some cases the Primarchs themselves.>>54954470I have an easier time envisioning that. It seems very lazy to me to just throw the OU Chaos Marines in there, just for the sake of having them. And fair enough, I suppose that ACTUAL Noise Marines have had extensive physical modifications and the Doomsingers simply use Sonic weaponry.
>>54954661CRASHING THIS IMPERIUM, WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>54955501Doctor Jobs, I'm Inquisition.
>>54956342Hello Inquisition, I'm dad
>>54957177"WTF is the Inquisition, anyway">Linares after returning from the Warp
PROMPT: How your Legion would manage a hostage situation?
>>54958463The Silver Blades would orbital-assault the place, launching several drop pods to wherever the guys are, to then beat the fuck out of the captor in melee.
>>54958463It really depends on who the hostage is.
>>54958463The Titan Marchers blow up the building.
>>54958463Distract then assassinate the captors before covering their tracks (probably by blowing up the building everything took place in).
>>54960264Like is it just a bunch of random people? A useless aristocrat? An awesome Magos?
It's good to be back at home, but now back to work.
>>54958463Wine and dine the hostage takers until they get close enough to put an axe in some skulls. Should that fail, they bust out the sonic equipment, and blast them so hard that they don't hear the Singers crash through the walls and start arming the hostages. Things will get messy, but everyone's gonna have some fun with the situation
>>54958463Fast and hard, very tactical. As if modern hostage rescue were wearing baroque armor.
>>54958463Lock down the entire area and wait it out. Waiting for enemy mistakes to be used against them. Leading the captors to be picked off one by one by snipers or legionnaires on the perimeter.If time is of the essence, jackal squads are called in to extract the hostages
>>54958463The XVth is not recorded to have had to deal with many hostage situations. Three instances, however, are available and instructive.Rebels on Vengna VII captured an notable Imperial Iterator, seeking tolerance for religious practices. Ordered to retrieve the propagandist intact, the Dusk Phantoms located the families of the hostage takers and executed them before informing the rebels that unless they returned the dignitary at once, they would begin by 'culling' the faithful. Informed that all were prepared for martyrdom, the Dusk Phantoms obliged them, delivering regular tallies and lists of names to the hostage takers. Actual executions did occur, but were largely limited in scope, confined to the most troublesome dissidents. Friends and family members, including some not even affiliated with the movement were included in the lists provided to the hostage takers. With no way to verify this, the hostage takers soon surrendered and were promptly executed by the Dusk Phantoms. Holy sites were then razed and manufactora and infrastructure sites ordered to be constructed in their place.The other occasion was when pirates managed to ambush a convoy and captured several prominent Magi. In this case, the Dusk Phantoms worked with a contingent of Sisters of Silence that had been operating with them in a recent campaign. The pirates were unprepared for the effect that the Null Maidens had, projected as it was by various elements of techno-arcana the Dusk Phantoms had brought with them and were killed as they tried to flee. The Magi, lacking many emotions, were unaffected by the Null Aura.
>>54966716On a final occasion, planetary administrators were captured by criminal elements. The Dusk Phantoms were nearby and were diverted to resolve the hostage crisis. The Dusk Phantoms responded by diverting a single ship with the infamous commander of the Nosferatii Walletsau Tsepesh and (presumably, though the record does not mention this) an elite cadre of Nosferatii. Tsepesh told the Arbites only that he would handle things and ordered that his involvement be kept silent and that the local arbites continue as normal, but stall. This meant power and communication was cut. In the mean time, the Nosferatii infiltrated the building. The arbites heard nothing further until hours later, when a single thug bolted from the administratum tower. From him, they heard a strange tale of horror. It was, if anything, an understatement, given the abattoir they found inside the tower itself.The hostages knew little, only that their captors had grown increasingly tense as they vanished, hearing only fragments about torn corpses and other, stranger things, like strange, luminescent beasts which hunted in the dark.
RecruitsMudarri-Sergeant Zaiyid looked at the readings inside his helmet. Thirty glyphs slowly made their way down his screen, symbolising the thirty children running through the maze below them. It was dark, and cold. The planet’s moon high above them.Close behind them, twenty rabid hive-canines chased them down as their shock collars drove them on with painful shocks. Barks and howls echoed down the rockrete maze walls as the aspirants fled for their lives.Above them on a viewing platform, recruiting sergeants from a variety of legions stood. Watching for potential legionnaires, all of them eager to claim the best and brightest for their own.Zaiyid observed his brothers with a veteran eye. The representatives from the Dusk Phantoms and The Leviathan Hosts stood aside from the group. Their night-blue armour looked almost identical save from their respective legion symbols. They conversed in hushed tones, obviously gesturing at the more cunning aspirants, as they dodged and weaved through the other children.A Silver Blades Teniente laughed alongside a Loxodontii Sergeant. They reminisced over some shared campaign decades ago.Others, such as the Death’s Head legionnaire stood in silence, observing the scene unfold below him. Watching with detached interest. Watching for signs and characteristics so obvious among the VIth legion. All of them held themselves as warriors. Their legions incarnate. The Sentinel turned his gaze back down to the children scrambling below him. The exceptional few had gone ahead of the group, blazing ahead. The middle host remained the largest group, believing in safety in numbers. The last group straggled behind, with the very last child seemingly trying to protect his fellow-aspirants.
>>54966774Zaiyid watched the stragglers with some interest for a few minutes until he head footsteps approaching.“Greetings, brother! How goes the search for legionnaires of the IXth?”Zaiyid looked up to see the Silver Blade and Loxodontii approaching him. The swagger of the Silver Blade matched the confident strides of the Loxodontii. The Blade had a pale complexion, with a dark brown beard that was trademark of their legion. The Loxodontii was darker-skinned, with a white line of chalk running from the centre of his mouth down his chin, and bronze piercings running along his ears. The Mudarri-Sergeant smiled. The Sentinels got along well with the IVth and the XIIIth legions, and Zaiyid was relieved he would not have to contend with the harsh nature of other legions while he was busy inspecting potential recruits for his legion. “Not bad, brothers. I see some potential here and there. Nothing remarkable, but nothing too terrible either. We must keep in mind they are children after all.” Zaiyid said with a chuckle as he took off his helmet.The Loxodontii smiled, his Babylonian accent thick as he spoke, “You are right they are only children, Sentinel. However, we cannot let any child into our ranks. We must remember that a good sword cannot be forged with inferior iron.”He gestured at the straggling group. The hive-canines had gained on them, getting ever closer to their prey as the slowest children fell from exhaustion. “These children have no place in our ranks.”Zaiyid raised an eyebrow. “Surely we must remind ourselves that we were once children as well. You do not find iron pristine on the ground. It must be refined, and is more often than not covered in dirt.”“The same could be said for these children, mis compañeros. They are filthy!” the Silver Blade laughed out loud.Both Zaiyid and the Loxodontii chuckled at that.
>>54966784The Loxodontii continued. “Still, we must not allow weaklings into our legions. If we do, we compromise our ability to fight in the Imperium’s name. I hear that your legion prides itself on protecting humanity and your concept of the greater good. If we allow ourselves to be weakened by allowing poor aspirants, we place the greater Imperium at risk, since we cannot defend them. That is why I say these things, Sentinel. I say these things for our greater good.”The trio returned their attention to the stragglers. The group seemed to have a leader; the child who was protecting those lagging behind was now helping up the others and was directing them into back alleys and chokepoints in the maze too small for the canines, forcing the rabid animals to find another way to their prey, and giving the struggling aspirants precious seconds.Zaiyid thought over what they had said for a few minutes in silence, watching the child that directed the others to safety. He was not remarkable in any way, not a child of immense strength or speed. He did not tower over his fellows nor was he smaller than them. Zaiyid’s fellow legionnaires disregarded him and the other stragglers with dismissive snorts. They turned towards those in the lead, racing past the other aspirants in their race for survival.The Sentinel, however, kept watching the leader.The child had lead them to a dead-end. A mistake on his part. Zaiyid could see the realization dawn on his face. The horror that he had doomed his companions showing on his features.The child turned around around and faced the canines. Their jaws wide in anticipation and their flanks heaving from the chase. Saliva dripped between their teeth as they closed in on their prey.Zaiyid could see the other aspirants huddle in a group behind their leader, who had picked up a rock in a desperate effort to defend those behind him. Zaiyid noticed that the child was shaking with fear.
>>54966792The first canine charged the child, who threw the rock straight at the beast’s face. It tumbled and howled in pain. Blood pouring from its eye. The canine’s pack-mates padded around their downed companion. Drawing out the hunt with an almost human-like glee. The child saw the beasts in front of him. He looked back at his companions, nodded, then charged into the canines.“Stop aspirant trials! Space Marine override!”Immediately the collars around the canine’s necks activated and sent the animals into spasms. Killing them instantly with the immense electrical current.The child stopped in his tracks. Stunned by what had happened. He was so prepared for his death that any alternative seemed unbelievable. He looked up at the observation platform with wide eyes.
>>54966803The other recruit sergeants also turned their heads to Zaiyid in surprise. The Silver Blade’s face as easy to read as a book with surprise written all over his face. The Death’s Head had a raised eyebrow. The Loxodontii was shaking his head.Below them, servitors began to collect the carcasses of the dead canines, picking them up with as much expression as a bare wall. Robots in nearly every sense of the word and completely ignoring the stunned stragglers. The children that had completed the maze were at the end, curious as to what had happened to their peers still left in the maze. The other recruit sergeants began to make their way down to the finishing point to assess their potential charges. Then preparing them for the many challenges to come.The leader still stood there stunned as to what had happened, then turned around and began to gather his companions and find their way out. Zaiyid watched the leader for a few more moments, then turned to his fellow marines. “The iron you seek may not be found in that child down there. But his selflessness is exactly the steel my legion needs. He may perhaps need more training, but I truly believe that that child will be a credit to my legion. For he is willing to die. To die for his companions. To die for the greater good.”And with that, Zaiyid walked down towards the maze, His coal grey armour blending into the night, with only Harrdinese tales of yore visible across his dark plate. Tales that spoke of sacrifice for the greater good.
>>54966774>>54966784>>54966792>>54966803>>54966810Good shit. Are you looking to turn the kid into a character himself?
>>54967556Yeah I've been thinking about doing a character arc for Zaiyid and the child. Have a sort of mentor-student thing going
>>54967758Sweet. Have you written up something for The Vulture yet?
>>54966774>>54966784>>54966792>>54966803>>54966810>The greater goodWe Tau now? >The mazeDunno if this is one of the trials of the Astartes, but looks good>OverallGreat one! I like it>The Death's Head had a raised eyebrowkek
>>54966784>Loxodontii Sargeant is the douchebag in the storyAww>But he's a well written douchebagFair enough, then.>>54967556>>54967857These dudes have it right, very good read!
>>54958463Send in the scout squads, saving the hostage, then hanging the hostage takers.
For the Seps among us:PROMPT: What does the constituent state of the Confederacy that your legion occupies look like? Who's in charge, what's it called, how does it grow towards 40k? And where is it located?
BAMPUWill get to writing here in a bit.
So after reading Marduks stuff for the first time, and a short conversation with the Warmaster himself, it seems I've created the Abyssal Cult in full and reverse.While Marduk wants so cease the cycle of Chaos, the Ouroboros Kult wants to perpetuate it Ad Infinium.So I have a though about maybe limiting the power of the Chaos forces by having internal strife within the Eye of Terror of those who wish to see Chaos come to an end either for "magnanimous" reason, or an insane fatalism, and those who wish Chaos to reign supreme and subsume reality.I can see the Gunslingers and the Leviathan Host, perhaps even the Forge Lords to see Hashut be the only Chaos God, in the former camp, and obviously the Kult and maybe the Loxodontii in the later. There could be a civil war in mid 40k that sees the Cicatrix Maledictum into fruitionThoughts?
>>54973503No invasion of Realspace? Just infighting?
>>54973722Just trying to spur on discussion
>>54974141Although it seems a good cause for the creation of the Cicatrix Maledictum, isn't...Chaos-y enough. If you restrain that fight to the Eye, then the Chaos menace practically disappears, and well, that is good for the Imperium but a bad thing for the overall narrative, I suppose. The reason seems...weird the first part, why would Chaos want to destroy itself? Is Malal a thing then? Anyway, I see the..."Fatalism" as a better option. Maybe the Eye collapsing, but appearing the Cicatrix? Or just extreme infighting between the Chaos factions, maybe because Hashut's ascension.
>>54973503I think this is a good idea. I have been worrying about the balance of power between the three factions. Something like a serious Chaos Civil War would make Imperial survival much more believable.We should still have plenty of Black Crusades though. We also need Chaos Warmaster, now that I think of it. A Leviathan Host character that takes over for Marduk.
>>54975453I'm just reminded of a female, obviously non-Astartes, sorceress that takes over for him. Is that still a thing?
>>54975473I don't think that the Traitor Legions would accept a non-Astartes leader. Even Astartes ones are constantly in danger of being taken over by a random champion
>>54975453>Raj agreeing with me on somethingI don't know what to do
>>54976592Let the thread die, clearly.But yes, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I think a Chaos civil war/schism makes a lot of sense, particularly if we give people reasons to resent the Leviathans.>>54966810I like this whole story a lot. Definitely gets into the heart of the Sentinels. I don't like that last line, I think there's a cleaner way to integrate that, but I'm not sure. Now that I look there's also a few places where a comma might serve you better than the period you've got, but as I said, I like the piece.Tangentially, I'm curious what the current Leviathan Host plate looks like, as I thought they were purplish.
>>54979149Thanks for he feedback. I definitely thought it was a bit ham-fisted. I'll see what I can do. I think there's a chart somewhere of all the legion colour schemes in regards to your Leviathan theory
So I want to write up a bit of a short where Kaden wins a duel against another Legion's champion. Anyone want to volunteer a character fore to use?
>>54981701Do a Forge Lord!
>>54981701A Silver Blade! Some are able to beat Cuckstodes in melee, beware
>>54981701I'd suggest having him fight against someone from a legion that's largely underrepresented in writefaggotry. Maybe the Soaring Host, Emperor's Dragoons or Iron Guard?>>54976592Feel like a winner?>>54979149The Host is purplish. The sheet is outdated again, considering the Ogre Legion is gone.
>>54980003Also, while I'm thinking about it, I think it'd be neat to have a Zeami-Ibrahim campaign during the crusade proper. Set them up for an honorable siege during the civil war. Sort of like how Saladin did his sieges, so the victor allows the other one to retreat. It's purely politics.Then we can have a post heresy meeting where it's like the Western Front level misery. That's their last meeting, but that's when Zeami gives Ibrahim the gift of that siege engine.
>>54983663Wait, no, I'm a fool. This is it.
>>54983672Sexy.>A thought on the DragoonsThey're Napoleonic, yeah? Napoleon was an artilleryman. Might be pretty neat to give the legion a similar side. They're fast, so whirlwinds by the score, rapiers in drop pods or towed by special centaurs, that sort of thing.
>>54983815They're also actual dragoons; they ride their bikes and engage in melee. An artillery focus works with that as well, providing ample covering fire for the rest of the legion to get in close.
>>54983840>>54983815Basilisks out the ass. That would be great.
>>54969404Located on the outer edges of the Union, as Rahman's family holdings always were on the outer limits as befits a rogue trader, the 'state' is notable in that it largely isn't one, instead individual planets are largely self-governing, though an internal free-trade zone that exists between the planets makes a de facto area that can be measured, as well as the fact that the Corsairs patrol its space lanes and ruthlessly defend it. Some planets do owe direct fealty to the Corsairs Gallant, or rather to the Grand Admiral (Legion Master) of the Corsairs.The zone, known largely as the Keita Protectorates, has expanded over time as Rogue Traders (as the Corsairs maintained this policy, though the majority are inside their 'dynasty,') pushed farther and incorporated new planets, both finding old human empires, and colonizing newer ones.Notable worlds inside include Stygies VIII and Pech, as well as some others.(Will expand this soon.)
I had a talk with Xun/Gyahdred. Some things we feel we should share:>Elsu, Isekho and FrederickThese three members of our project have been rather absent for the past while. All of their situations are different, but we feel like we need to adress them.For Elsu, he hasn't been seen in the thread or on Discord for atleast a month. As such, we can pretty much assume he has left us. Since Elsu is already involved in events and the Soaring Host is actually a cool legion, Gyahdred has offered to pick them up, which should work out well enough.Frederick is around, but has been incredibly busy. Without going into much detail, he has been dealing with a lot of work, as well as familial matters. I'll try to get into contact with him over the next couple of days, and make sure that the Emperor's Dragoons are finished to a point where we can comfortably use them without FredAnon's direct input. If necessary, I might pick them up myself.Isekho is more difficult. He has been around, but he has been out of the loop for a while, and it might be difficult to get back into the swing of things. I'll try to get into contact with him as well, and see where he and the Smoke Stalkers stand.Most importantly, we're not looking to replace any of these legions.>The Separatist UnionWe talked a bit about how the Union should take shape. The galactic east does get split into several consituent states, like >>54984193, but there's also some form of federal government. Xun proposed a federal institution called 'the Directorate': a ruling body run by a council of primarchs and by legion masters later, most likely Macragge and several surrounding worlds. Several duties would be split among the legions. Corsairs and Dragoons running economy and society, Phantoms managing industry and infrastructure, Iron Guard keeping discipline, Ussarans being commissars, Emil being secretive and managing coms and the Hounds being outriders.Does this sound like a direction we want to take this in?
>>54981995A Forge Lord might be a decent fight. If you had a champion in mind?>>54982550He could take on a Blade, the only reason I didn't jump right on that is that CoH and Silver Blades have a lot of history already.Also I'd like to have Kaden stand on pretty equal footing with most blades. I kind of want him to be Sigismund tier as far as one on one fighting goes. So I imagine he'd have the full respect of the Silver Blades already.>>54983663I could do it between one of the lesser developed legions, I was mostly asking if anyone had a character already written up that they didn't mind having lose a bout so that they can give me an idea of how their guy would fight or handle the loss rather than just inventing a one off character myself for my snowflake captain to beat around. If no one is too keen on putting up a guy then I'll just do that though. Maybe a Smoke Stalker.
For those interested here is Kaden's brief bio.>>54984728Radcliff Kaden, First Captain: Born and raised on the planet of Miletus, Radcliff Kaden served in the temple of Bellona, a temple dedicated to training soldiers. Kaden excelled in all martial skills and at the age of fourteen became one of the youngest people in Miletus' long history to join the ranks of the Temple Guard, Miletus standing Planetary Defense Force.Shortly after the Emperor handed the VIIIth Legion to Lambach Kropor, the newly appointed homeworld was sent into a recruitment overdrive in an effort to replenish the diminished strength of the Chosen of Hecate. Radcliff immediately signed up .He quickly rose through the ranks of the legion and displayed a keen eye for tactics and strategy. He reached the rank of Captain despite lacking any form of the Psychic potential, which was usually what lead to a son of Kropor being shown favor. With his keen military mind, Kaden soon found himself increasingly in the company of the Primarch to discuss battle plans. He was also a favored opponent of the Primarch in games of Regicide. Without even realising, Radcliff had become Lambach's seneschal.
>>54984905When the previous captain of the 1st company fell in battle and needed to be replaced, there was never any doubt that Radcliff would take the position. Often times, much to Kadens exasperation Lambach would leave the front lines and the Crusade management completely in Kadens control while he chased down some frivolous task concerning one of his brother Primarchs, or basically anything else that caught his attention more than the Crusade itself. While it may have been seen by some as irresponsible, Lambach had never done so with any other Captain. It was Lambachs utter confidence in Kadens abilities that lead to Kropor having so much free time to pursue other interests. Kaden himself earned the respect of many other Primarchs and their Legionnaires by consistently displaying his general knack for soldering or by proving his combat prowess as a formidable opponent in the dueling arena. Few were there that could be said to stand on equal footing with the First Captain of the Chosen of Hecate.
>>54984510The Union stuff seems like something we need to work on because Sep presence has been light as of late, it seems. Hopefully, we can get the legions squared and get to fixing it.
>>54984510>The guysNeat. Replacing them doesn't seem a good idea. >The UnionI like where this is going. Certainly a good path.>>54984728NP then.
>>54983663I'm like a dog who caught it's tail.
>>54985108Agreed. Though, all things considered, it's a good thing most people are still around.
What's your favorite legion other than your own?What's the best legion?What's the worst legion?
>>54988109Hard to say, honestly.My favorite legion might be the Forge Lords, mainly because of how much of a cock Mot is. Plus, Hashutan Chaos Marines is very cool to me.Least favorite is even more difficult, as I'd like to preface this by saying that I think they're all good. The Emperor's Dragoons/Dragoons Triumphant are one of the easier answers, as there has been very little written about them so far. I'd like to get on that though. Another one I think still needs a bit of work is the Pale Hounds, as I feel they have the least of a solid identity.
>>54988109>Yours>Emil's Legion, the Steel Souls. They have a pretty extensive work behind them>I'd say the Emperor's Dragoons, just because we don't know them. And that is pretty much one of the points of this, new Legions
Also, I have been thinking about the Silver Blades sucessor Chapters. My initial plan (previous even to the start of /w3/) was to have each sucessor chapter representing one certain characteristic of their Primarch. The love for beer, melee and trolling. The quick, massive drop-assaults, and expertise in Swordsmanship. But, one of them (drop-assaults) already had as a specialty the specialty of the Space Marines (redundant, vanilla in the end), two other were too meme-y to seriously consider, and the two remaining were pretty much the same. I have reached a point in which I don't have more good ideas for the Successors. So far, I have the Divine Crusaders, Black Templars in /w3/, but not much more.So, I came up with the following: after the Scouring, the Silver Blades are nothing more than a shadow of their former self. After the grievous casualties taken during the Siege, the disappearing of their Primarch, and the aditional loses during the Scouring, the Legion was reduced to some hundreds boots-on-the-ground. By the time of the Second founding, they were barely able to create new Chapters, so, the Legion was divided in the Silver Blades and the Divine Crusaders Chapters (temp), both terribly undermanned.
>>54990323It does make a lot of sense, though there is never an Isstvan like event; I doubt it'd be likely for them to be reduced to only 2 chapters.Them splitting like the Fists work though, splitting the legion by the types of marines they have, as opposed to the Ultramarine or Titan Marcher way, splitting the legion according to previously established chapters.
>>54990514There isn't an Istvaan-like event, but maybe during the whole Brotherwar the Blades suffer a lot of casualties that can't replace at all, and then Terra happens. The explosion of the Apocalyptican would wipe out every Astartes in a certain radius, then the fight against the Gunslingers, two different kinds of melee expertise in the same combat, the Daemons...I see possible to loose that many Marines. But yes, they could follow the Fist's model
>>54991304Oh, and remember that the Gunslingers attacked Kadir, so the planet would be too busy rebuilding itself to keep the Legion strong, even more if the loss of civilian population is massive. The Blades fought there too, so more casualties.
>>54991385>>54991304Fair enough. Do you think it sounds reasonable to say they've got like 5-7k marines left?
>>54992134Much more, yes. But then, they would have to 1) create more Sucessors 2) the Crusaders start crusading to actually get that many MarinesUnless I'm not understanding at all
>>54992800I'm just saying that I expect the IVth legion to have 5 to 7 thousand marines left by the end of the Siege. That seems fair, considering the numbers they have at their height. Would allow for 5-7 chapters, unless you want bigger groups.
Where the fuck is everyone
>>54998240I work a 13 hour day so I'm a tad busy.
>>54991385>>54991304I think this makes a lot of sense, as does >>54990514Why not throw in something like Phall to kick off the misery?(Does Lambach have a big rival?)
>>54993214Well, the bigger groups would work for the Divine Crusaders, so I think we can take that path.
>>54988109Forge Lords, cus potential and cool factors. I've enjoyed comin up with stuff for them as much as for my own.Least? I dunno. Don't know enough about Pale Hounds and nothing sticks out.
>>54984510So, since nobody's freaked about the Soaring Host, let's talk about them:>Native American Air Cav FUCK YEAHIn a word, they're dynamic. They have a love of movement and flight. Mobility and speed are their chief weapons and they're on the short-list for fastest legion. Whenever possible, their units are air-mobile, tons of Storm Eagles, Thunderhawks, Stormbirds. Fire support is provided by fighter craft and gunships.Jetbikes are common, and airdrop is the dominant means of deployment, grav chutes or jump packs.This means that their formations are always changing.They value stoicism and self-sufficiency above all. This tends to manifest in a sort of fatalistic black humor. If it wasn't for the fact that Death Jesters were FILTHY XENOS, they'd get along great.Astartes are all trained in marksmanship, stealth, and FUCKING STUFF UP IN CC. The skill in CC is highly prized, a kill there preferred to the bolter round through the skull, at least in terms of glory. There is a large sniper/marksmen cadre, though, usually tough old coots who aren't about showboating. Because of this and the expectation that one of the Host can take care of themselves, commanders don't think twice about changing plans mid battle. If a weak point opens up on a flank, the commander will redirect forces and reinforcements to exploit it. Other legions often see this as callousness, but in the Soaring Host, it's generally understood that once you drop, you and your squad are on your own. If you get support, great, otherwise kill what you can and stay alive. Soaring Host commanders don't hesitate to abandon a flank to open another. The "abandoned" units are expected to either withdraw or hide and harry the foe on what will soon be their rear.This is a strength and weakness.On the one hand, a canny opponent can divide and conquer via feigned weakness, but units cut off are perfectly capable of going to ground and carrying on guerilla tactics.
>>54999893>The Soaring Host and their PsykersThe Soaring Host has a prominent role for their psykers. Their shamans and oracles, deriving from planetary traditions. Dreams are important for their portents. Herbs and a bit of alchemistry provides potent psychoactive compounds for scrying rituals and other such things. They also make use of biomantic healing, meaning that if there's a healer nearby, men will be more reckless than usual.They also have psyker-buffed melee. Really the whole legion is less a DnD evoker wizard and more a buffer-cleric.The 'shaman-warriors' use biomancy on themselves to be faster and stronger, and a bit of precognitive tomfoolery to be in the right place at the right time.>ElsuElsu comes down on Thashunke and is found by people. He's special with feathers and everyone treats him as the chosen of the sky spirits, of the thunderbirds. He's a psyker and trained in those ways. Decent guy. A bit proud and hotheaded.>The Soaring Host and the rest of the ImperiumThis is where things get tragic. See, Elsu is a mutant and while his homeworld treats him like Sanguinius, the rest of the Imperium doesn't. Elsu has none of Sanguinius' ethereal grace. Sanguinius is an angel, Elsu is a freaky bird-man. The legion's homeworld is poorly known and the initial campaigns go poorly as Elsu "abandons" Imperial Army units. It's really a cultural difference about what warriors are expected to do, but it gives him a bad reputation. Nobody is willing to work with the flighty freak and his band of weirdo-psyker-mystics.In addition to this, there's a sort of exotic mystique about them, aided in no small part by Kincaid's persona, so the rest of the Imperium sees the Soaring Host as noble barbarians. This is where the whole Strong Bear joke comes from, too.
>>54999981>ContBecause the Soaring Host is an out rider legion, nobody really gets a chance to correct their impressions, very much like the White Scars, if the White Scars were also reviled as freaks by many within the Imperium.Elsu also doesn't like listening to his brother's orders, resulting in some tension with Je'She and Aristede.They're very much outsiders in the Imperium, but this also sets up some interesting relationships with the legions who are also on that outside, Marduk most significantly, but I'd also imagine interesting stuff with the Corsairs, Dusk Phantoms, possibly the Hounds, and the Steel Souls.I think in a lot of ways, Elsu knows that his time may well be short. He knows that some of his brothers would like nothing more than to see him dead, and he resents that. Over time he becomes more insular, though occasionally tries to make allies. Again, Marduk is the major player here.I think there's a lot of self-loathing when he goes over fully to Tzneetch. He's perfectly aware that he's proving everyone's worst fears and it just makes him angrier. His campaigns during the Heresy are rampages that gain the grudging approval of the Lord of Skulls.I think by the end of it, he really loses himself and becomes an avian monster, a leader no more, but rather, a living engine of destruction summoned by his legion and banished as quickly.Elsu really had little choice in it. It's not like he was a bad guy. He was dealt a shit hand and was caught along for the ride.The legion, on the otherhand, goes out of its way to protect beastmen and chaos mutants for they are the blessed of the Changer of Ways.
>>54999981It's probably worth noting that both Marduk and Lambach are his only close friends. Marduk recognizes his power early on and knows how easy important it will be to keep him on side when he makes his move in the future.Lambach doesn't see him as a mutant and regrets that Elsu is an outsider. He sees Elsu as a powerful psyker to be respected, and will on very rare occasion raise his hackles against brothers who speak out against Elsu. This is why Lambach is able to take refuge on Thashunke after he flees Miletus and how Marduk talks both Elsu and Lambach into joining his side.
>>55000153Very good point. I'd totally forgotten about that.
>>54999893>Native American Air Cav FUCK YEAHAll of this I like, so not much to add.>>54999981>The Soaring Host and their Psykers> less a DnD evoker wizard and more a buffer-clericIf we're going for D&D analogies, I imagined them to be more like Duskblades than anything else. Powerful melee combat, with magic infused into their weapons, lightning and fire slicing their enemies apart. Perhaps they could do that in addition to self-buffing? They may not have the most powerful abilities, but they know a lot of tricks.>ElsuNo further comment>The Soaring Host and the rest of the ImperiumElsu is a mutant, but I wouldn't really describe him as a 'feaky bird-man'. His mutation is a natural headdress, he doesn't actually grow wings. Rest makes perfect sense to me.>>55000078>he really loses himself and becomes an avian monsterAn avian shapeshifter monster!
>>55000323As for the self buffing in combat that is another thing Elsu and Lambach share, while Chosen psykers specialize in many different fields Lambach himself focuses almost entirely on biomancy and telekinesis. Much later, after he falls, he goes into Necromancy.
>>55000354All the more reason in my eyes to not have them do the exact same thing. There can be some overlap, especially if you want the two to teach one another things, but to me it seems best to let the Chosen be clerics, and the Soaring Host be duskblades.How far do they drift apart post-Brotherwar? Tzeentch and Nurgle don't exactly like one another.
>>55000396Well it's not that they drift apart any more than any other Chaos faction. More Lambach becomes a shut in obsessed with his 1 goal. If the 2 did either clash or work together it would, in Lambachs eyes atleast, only be as a way of working towards resurrecting Raj.
>>55000396>>55000354>>55000323>DuskbladeWorks for me. Gish builds are fun.>Elsu and Lambach during and after the heresyThe easy (And a decent) solution is that by the end of it there's hardly any Elsu left. He's a daemon thing of rage and change and is about as much a leader as daemon prince Angron.If we play up the self loathing angle, he may resent the brother that brought chaos to his world.
>>55000475>>55000476>The Tzeentch Primarch becomes a ragelord like Angron>The Nurgle Primarch becomes a powerful sorcerer like MagnusLet's see if we can keep this up.
Looking through the sheet, I notice we still need flagships and primary expedition fleets for the following legions:>Leviathan Host>Golden Mountains>Steel Souls>Iron Guard>Emperor's Dragoons>Star Warriors>Ussaran Liberators>Forge LordsAlso, I see that the flagship of the Doomsingers is still listed as the Thundercracker, but I'm not sure if that's still correct, as that was decided back when it was still Yochin.
>>55000808It's the Stormbringer now
>>55001414What is? The Doomsingers flagship? Feel free to edit the sheet if so.
>>55000153>>55000226I'd say he and Rahman would clash over the very different ways they were raised, and with Rahman being very High Gothic (indeed, he's probably the best primarch to deal with Imperial Nobility [cus he was/is it]) and the legions likely are rivals due to similar but differing tactics. Indeed, the Corsairs Gallant being heavily based in mobility, drops, void combat, and so on is shared with both hosts (Leviathan and Soaring) but they take such a different approach as to be nearly entirely different.
>>55001869Woops, forgot my tag. Also, did some stuff up for post-brother's war stuff on one of the fake chapters, and it links loosely into Steel Souls (and possibly Doomsingers, though only in as much as it links to Ecclesiarchy):One of the earliest Filibuster Chapters, the Aquilon Knights were led by a veteran Corsair Admiral who adopted the name of Cassius Jericho, and was assigned several other veteran legionnaires to assist in the formation of the chapter. Masquerading as one of the lost 13th, the Aquilon Knights laid claim to planet Neva, a world with heavy Ecclesiarchy presence that led to a close relationship between the chapter and the religious institution, such that Cassius would become Lord Deacon as well as Chapter Master.Publically, they are a pious chapter specializing in close-quarters combat, often wielding axes in one hand and boltguns in the other, a display of true grit and determination. They have undertaken several crusades, and assisted in the recovery of saintly artifacts to such a degree that it has become something of a specialty to them. They sometimes clashed, though, in their use of psykers, particularly pyrokenes.However, the secret truth is the chapter was seeded on Neva in order to use it as a ground to recruit from, as well as search for an ancient artifact. Neva had been enshrouded by warp storms for several decades, leaving a residual mark upon the population: psyker activity was roughly five times higher than normal. Further, an ancient facility, called the Null Keep by the chapter, was a ‘psychic engine,’ a device that the Corsairs Gallant believed was designed by the Emperor and part of a greater plan.The Fortress Monastery of the Aquilon Knights now rests above the Null Keep, both hiding and protecting it as they study it, while vast swathes of the psyker population was spirited away, often presented as recruits to the Steel Souls.
>>54998740I pretty much think Ashur and Lambach have a more lovingly Leman Russ vs. Magnus thing going on, as in if Lambach wasn't such a huge nerd playing with functioning ouija boards he and Ashur would be best brothers forever.
>>54999893>>54999981>>55000078Now that I actually get to see Elsu and his homeworld compiled like this, I feel like I should correct Ashur's view on him a little, make him more sympathetic.Their legions however will definitely collide, even when the AirCav aspect would really supplement the Loxodontii's ground force approach.
>>55000323Just the head? I was kinda hoping he'd have feathers all over his body, cresting his face. Basicalley everywhere he'd have hair, it's feathers instead.
>>55002529Last time I discussed it with Elsu, he stated he'd only have the naturally grown headdress and a couple of feathers on his elbows, underarms, and shins.
>>55002387Yeah fair to say that Ashur would probably be Lambachs biggest brotherly rival. But it is amplified by how close they could be. Ashur just doesn't understand, psychic abilities make you a god among insects!
Ok so. The duel I was writing has evolved a little bit. I've set it as more the final fight of a competition. Started by the Silver Blades. They make a tradition where 1 champion from each Legion gathers every 10 years to partake. I'm thinking of setting it before Kaden takes over as first Captain of the Chosen. So he is the CoH member sent to represent in the first Tourny. Which he wins, coming up against a Smoke Stalker sword Master in the grand final. Then later if others like they can add their own stories of champions fighting in the tournament. Does that sound alright to everyone?
>>55002742Sounds great; I'll have to think of who the Marchers send. Onkar Sull, perhaps?
>>55002742Yup, fine for me. Good thing that tournament, too. How we should call it?
>>55002912Tournament of BladesMaybe the Contest of Champions? The Great Joust?
>>55002996The Great Joust sounds good. Would it be a death combat or just until the other falls?
>>55003020Until the other falls, obviously. Marines (usually) don't kill one another for sport.
>>55003020Yeah there'll be rules like in boxing or something. Or maybe like knocking the other out of the ring?
>>55003199Ring outs sound good, yeah. More original that first bloods or K.O.s.
>>55003040>>55003199>>55003728So, with bare fists, swords, weapon of choice...?
>>55003869Melee weapon of choice, I would imagine.
Oh, did this as an idea, originally started as a 'things the Corsair found but didn't keep to themselves' thing but realized it could be a more general thing for larger equipment shared around:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lzJ4Ix7J_cQ2sqmx8IbhIJG2iaZ3TJ4pXY7_gPQzXYU/edit?usp=sharing
>>55000808>FlagshipThe Rina Karuta>Primary Expedition Fleet225th Fleet
>>55003020>>55002996Dance of Blades?The Tourny Astarte?Clash of Champions?Also, because I'm taking a break from banging my head against the wall with my shitheel of a legion, and in the Arch-Traitor and Starter of Shit when it comes to the project, some ideas I had while writing>>The Prophecy of the One Hundred and Twenty Blades of Fate>Five Vorpal Chains (Blades of the Astartes)>The Emperor's Sword (Blade of Humanity)>Five Croneswords+Swords of Vaul (Blades of the Eldar)>Four Bonesabers (Blades of the Hivemind)>Gorechild, Drach'nyen, Silver Blade of Laer, and the Anathme (Blades of Chaos)>Some Necron sword >When the Cosmic Teeth March upon the same battlefield, the War in Heaven will breath it's second breath, and exhale flame upon the galaxy. (Precursor to End Times)>>The Shattered Pantheon >Primarchs are coming back, the Imperium is enraptured by miracles of faith, the Union is on the edge of a major breakthrough (Webway?), Traitor civil war (War in the Warp?) has reached a fever pitch, Necron Dynasties are beginning to awaken in full, Eldar Craftworlds are beginning to swallow their pride and Commoragh is putting down the spiked dildo and the Eldar Empire is beginning to carve out their own sphere>Various warp entities see their chance to shine, Malal and Hashut strike at the big four, now that they are capitol M Minor Gods. Isha is freed, Eldar get a God that isn't a ghost tranny Not!Slaanesh, and fractions the Gods power sloughs off into beings akin to Hashut when he first got his start, expanding the Chaotic pantheon, and causing the War in the Warp to gain more momentum.
>>55006546I think I like where these things are going, except for one tiny little thing>Eldar EmpireImperium Asunder did it
>>55006546>The 120 Blades of FateI like it, we could set it as a kind of waypoint.
>>55006546>>The Great Devourers>Sothanites: I'm basing this off of the Flood/Necromorph virus vector biomorph idea. Essentially the Steel Souls psychic backlash empowered further by the Pharos overloads the Synapse Creatures, of which there is an absolute glut of since they have been fed a steady diet of psychic astartes. Hive Mind says "Fuck It" and decides to preserve biomass by turning off the Synapse Creatures, and any bioform complex enough to fizzle out from the shockwave. This leaves the most simple organisms left, and through true evolution and rapid adaptation, leads to comatose "Vector Ships" that unconsciously drift towards planets with a psychic presence, crashing into them after years drifting in the Warp, and essentially become Dead Space markers as well as giant capillary towers/spore chimneys that spread the Nid virus into the planet itself. Little bits of these vector ships peel off and wander the universe ti spread the bioforms in more subtle ways. Genestealers also become a thing, but they are a separate bioform form the plague, and tend to keep a lower profile.Now keep in mind that the Sothanites arrive a lot earlier than the Tyranids, and by the time the Tyranids WOULD be in the galaxy the Sothanite Plague is still an issue, but the Union knows how to deal with it, so it's not devastating anymore.Keep in mind that the area around Sotha is a biohazard no-fucking-go zone for the Union.Also keep in mind that there's a treasure trove of dead psychic astartes and Synapse Creatures absorbed by Sothanite growths or held in stasis by the void. Keep that in mind.>>55006621Then since Momma Isha is in charge, they are a truly mutli-racial Empire, the Eldar lending aide to any and all amicable or downtrodden Xenos (Which the DEldar already do) even going so far as buying out whole Waaaaghs with ship loads of Nid Teef. Or something, I don't give a shit.
>>55006897Now we come to the time where Tyranids WOULD come into the Galaxy. And whadya know, a century or two late, comes everyone's favorite Xenomorph/Starship Trooper Bugs expies. Except this time, the Hive Mind knows what it's getting into. The second hive fleet is late because the Hive Mind has been engineering an orgy of Darwinian violence, pitching internal competition into over drive. The invasion of Tyran is silent, and in less than five months, the planet itself is silent. And so is the next planet, and the next planet, and the one after that, and the one after that, until a tendril of silence weaves it's way ever closer to Sotha.Now, no one knows what the fuck is going on, this is the human equivalent to colony collapse. But it's theorized that there's another super predator in town, and it must be the thing that chased the Sothanites into the Milky Way. Eventually the Seps are able to intercept these so called Tyranids, and what they find is shit that will make Genestealers and Lictors shit themselves, the Hive Mind creating a fleet of superpredator infiltrators, and the ensuing war makes US operations in Vietnam and Afghanistan look like shooting fish in a barrel. Eventually the Tyranids sneak, claw, and eat their way to the Spatium Mortis, the system sized biohazard around Sotha. There the Tyranids go to war with the Sothanites at the cellular level, legions of risen and infected Astartes, Sothanites, and Tyranids march alongside purestrain Sothanite colonies to crash against the tides of alpha predator Tyranids. Even compared to OU, this is the most brutal and taxing conflict in Tyranid history, and would give even Guro and Vore fags PTSD.Now this could culminate in two ways
>>55000808>FlagshipThe Crucible of Spite. The Crucible of Spite was constructed on Zharr-Hadad at the outset of Mot's introduction to the Great Crusade. It is equipped with melta-lances, massive meltagun batteries designed to fire through the void.
>>55007208Damn fatfingered the button. Anyway, I got an idea I think you'll like instead of Isha-Eldar Empire that is a bit more grim and way more dark. I'll detail it when I get up.
>>55007115>1) Tyranids finally have enough Psychic biomass to exert the will of the Hive Mind over now savage Sothanite virus forms, and the Tyranids and Sothanites are a unified race, and the resultant race is a hyper infectious ultra predator rape train. It's the most logical result, but it's also boring and wanky as shit, so here's...>2) Three separate resultant Hive Fleets. >Xenomorph Übersneaks that fucked off during Sotha War 2: Disgusting Boogaloo, and thrive in the shadows. >Regenerator Rex smashy fucks, caused by the Sothanites being welcomed back into the synaptic fold. Genetic instability is high, creating a Hive Fleet of Ygmarl Stealers. Other Hive Fleets can absorb their biomass, as Ygmarl Stealer "genetic stability is too out of control for the inexorable Hive Mind" is fucking gay. However their genetic instability makes it hard for them to bond with complex weapon symbiotes, such as Devourers or Barbed Stranglers, making them a resilient, adaptable, but ultimately smashy and bite.>MIIIIINNNND BULLETS: The Hive Fleet. Due to the complexity of native bioforms, it's the smallest Hive Fleet, but nearly every biomorph is a psychic creature, the Shadow of the Warp is nearly a physical entity around this hive fleet. That being said, they are able to cut a rend in reality, use the Shadow as a Gellar field, and fuck off through the Warp to pop up somewhere else. This is also the "smartest" Hive Fleet, the others being fairly predictable and animalistic at the worst of times, Psykernids possess a vast array of tactics that aren't limited to Zerg Rush. However due to their size and biomass requirements, they actually can sustain losses that are hard to recover from. Simultaneously the most and least wanky Hive Fleet
>>55001543Yeah, sorry. I'll edit it when I'm not on mobile.>>55006546>>55006897>>55007115>>55007292Well that's enough trouble starting from me. Back to the suffering mines
>>550072080/10, would add something
>>55006546>5 Astartes Blades>1 Emperor's Sword>5 Croneswords>99 Blades of Vaul>4 Bonesabres>4 Chaos blades>1 Necron Swordi only count 119 swords.
>>55007934>99 Blades of VaulWhat did he mean by This?http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Anaris
>>55008011Ah, I see.I only remembered that Vaul only made 99 swords, I forgot he put a "fake" one in.Does that sword count when it's shattered, though?
>>55008068Well to be fair, he didn't have time to make sword #100. Anaris is the greatest of the Swords of Vaul, but Slaanesh doesn't fuck around when it comes to th3 Eldar.I would say it does count. What was broken can be reforged.
>>55006546So who has the Vorpal Chains as of m41?
>>55008165Loyalists that can be counted on.Maybe some mortals?
>>55010171Perhaps have one be held by a major player amongst the forces of Chaos. Always nice to have an important Imperial weapon be in the hands of one of the Imperium's archenemies.
>>55010244I'd like to avoid that. I rather one be lost than in enemy control
Alright boys, I'm back after quitting 4chan for a few weeks. Gonna write up some spark notes on Eris Carcosa (Marduk's successor as head of the Leviathan Host and maybe our Abaddon if that's good). I'm adding it as a new section at the bottom of my legion document. I'm about a quarter done right now and should hopefully be done by the end of tonight or lunch time tomorrow. She's a really fucking important character for the legion, so I wanted to get her out on paper even if it's not in prose.
Thread Prompt: What kind of car would your Primarch drive?Where would they live?
>>55010953>female abaddon>female space marines>lazily naming this person Eris (goddess of discord) + Carcosa (ripping off of Ambrose Bierce/Robert Chambers/Lovecraft)You fishing for trolls now or just felt like trolling yourself?
>>55011112>female space marinesWhere I say that? Also, speaking of lazy naming. >Ferrus Manus (Iron Hand)>Vulkan (Roman god of the forge)>Sanguinius>Horus (First Born Son of Head God) >Jaghatai KHAN>Angron (Angry but with on at the end)>Abaddon (Just means destroyer in Greek)>Corvus Corax (Latin name for Raven)Want me to keep going?
>>55011189Please. The original 40k guys get away with it because they lived in Britain before Wikipedia existed and now they have the weight of tradition behind them 30 years later. You should know better. But by all means, keep going.
>>55011080Je'She would live in a small flat above a general store. Most things are vintage and bought from op-shops. He has herbs and coffee plants in window boxes. Don't mind the sandbags and sentries in the hallways and the snipers on the roof. He has great relationships with the owners of the store downstairs, and helps them out on weekends. They are an elderly Greek couple. They don't speak Gothic. Je'She doesn't speak Greek.As a result, you can't be sure as to how they view the "improvements" Je'She has done on their store. Namely the plasteel walls, sandbags, and a constant Sentinel legionnaire on duty out the front. As for the car, Je'She drives a minivan so he and his brothers can go on roadtrips
>>55011189Eris was a super powered sorceress if I remeber correctly what you'd told us of her? It was super interesting and I've been hanging out to find out more about her.Ignore >>55011112 and lets see it!
>>55011189>>55010953So your Legion's not even being led by an actual Marine? Ooooookay.
>>55011287Lol butthurt because we aren't religiously following OU tradition to the letter
>>55011331There's a difference between an entire Marine Legion working for a regular human and "religiously following tradition". You honestly can't tell the difference?
>>55011362>fan fiction >about 40k >expecting anything to be reasonable no
>>55011390Sure thing, Primarch Samus.
>>54999893>>54999981>>55000078I like what you're doing with them. Keep going man>>55001880Looks good. I don't see any problem with this>>55002742That sounds fine to me. I'll definitely work on this when I have time. The hardest part is working out if I want an agile sort of dueler, or a literal wall of a man.>>55004875I'll have a look at this>>55006546 Looks fine to me>>55006897>>55007115I like the idea of Sothanites and Tyranids being two different things. And then having a combination of the twoMy only question is that if Sotha becomes a no go zone, how does the Union travel in the Warp. Do they just use the Imperial Astronomicon?>>55007115My personal preference is for less stealthy and more an old-fashioned horde race, but it's up to the group majority to decide. The incorporation of Sothanites and Tyranids is cool though>>55007138Sweet>>55010953Looking forward to it man
>>55011112>>55011287>Warhammer has never had female characters strong enough and dangerous enough to lead You /hkh/ fags are getting desperate
>>55011760And it never happened in 40k either And it's not like one of the Chaos Gods is a feminine semi-androgynous rape beast, literally called She-Who-Thirsts
>>55011287You have to understand how his legion works to understand why they'd follow her. It's a bit more complicated than just "female space marine".
>>55011813>>55011760Chaos God>equivalent in any way to a mortal woman leading marinesValkia>functionally just a greater daemon, also does not lead anyone except the occasional group of Khornate daemonsCongratulations, you picked two canon females, and used both examples wrong. Well done.
>>55011813Oh wait, I'm wrong, I missed one. You're also pretending that Lelith Hesperax, Ms. Independent Unit herself, is relevant to the point you're trying to make. 3 for 3, friend.
>>55011477>My personal preference is for less stealthy and more an old-fashioned horde race, but it's up to the group majority to decideThe initial Tyranids proper are steathy because the Hive Mind knew that that was the tool for the job. But once Hive Fleet Leviathan pops out of the galactic plane, the Tyranids are as they are in the OU. The greatest threat, the unending adversary, relentless, inexorable, unstoppable, and completely devoid of personality.Sneaky beakie killers, mutating hulks, and psychic artillery pieces, will seem small in comparison
I do suppose a human female leading the not!Black Legion seems kinda iffy. Perhaps the Leviathan Host gets an actual Astartes Warmaster, and his second in command is the human sorceress?
>>55011848>>55011872As shucks. You got us pal, you won.So, since you've outskilled us, what would you have us do? What would this setting were having loads of fun writing look like, if you had any power here what so ever? What's your ideal 4chan, your ideal /tg/ look like? Oh and while your at it, where do you think you fall on this graph? Just curious.
>>55011992Don't suffer the trolls. This is our project, we'll build it as we all see fit
>>55012107Dude. Overreacting is a weak deflection mechanism. Almost as weak as pretending that some mortal (man, woman or otherwise) is actually going to successfully lead a Legion. Particularly a Chaos Legion, since you know, they don't much like any leadership on a good day. But yeah, keep on implying that somehow your entire setting is under siege. Set up whatever strawman makes you feel like a winner.
>>55012245I don't really understand why a mortal couldn't. Especially if she is equally as much of a special snowflake as a Space Marine.
>>55011234>You should know betterYou should understand the correct tone of 40k better.
>>55012262If you must solve a problem (why the shit are Warp-infused demigods serving mortals?) by inventing an even greater band-aid (some conveniently arbitrarily powerful person), have you really solved anything though?
>>55012245And deflection, predictable. I'm curious if you've ever done anything productive, or if wasting our post count is all you have in your life.Don't bother posting again, we've seen the breadth and width of your posting capabilities. As far as trolls go, you're pretty good, good enough to get me to respond during this interlude in my writing. But not good enough.
>>55012391I'm commenting on a single character for a single Legion.You're expanding the argument to include:Your entire fanfic.All of /tg/.And of course, all of 4chan in its entirety. Which is very relevant.This is done so that you have a target you can hit.Are you actually retarded?
>>55011760Do we not like Hektor Heresy? I was never a part of it but I don't really have a problem with it.
>>55012387You just described all of 40k fluff, besides the stuff that involves plot armor to begin with.Arbitrarily powerful person may as well be slogan of the whole setting. Why do you think there are jobber (but supposedly terrifying and unbeatable) monsters like Avatars of Khaine or non-character greater deamons? They exist so characters can constantly rack up greater and greater body counts of them to show how important they are. If you want a character to be important within the 40k universe, they must be that much more special than all the other uber special shit below them. Think about it like how sufficiently powerful Inquisitors can order around Grey Knights to show how big their dick is (pic related). Or, shit, the High Lords of Terra. In any case, and potentially more importantly, having an entire legion that worships a definitively female deity not have a woman in charge or at least in a position of power would strike me as extremely strange.
>>55012424Oh, touchy. Did I strike a chord? Hit a nerve? We'll it's been fun little man, but I really must get back to work. We have a lot for our Queen of Chaos to work on, she's a very important lady after all. I wonder, how much time will you think about this little dance of ours? Will you wonder what would have happened if you just spent a modicum of effort to not be a cunt and offer constructive criticism and a smidgen of persuasive of argument. But nope, straight to cunty little man. It's funny, because the guy in charge of that little slice of the project was really unsure about her, and if you decided to be a member of the community and offer a real post, she might not have even seen the light of day again. But all you did was solidify his will on the issue.So in a way, we have you to thank for our Fembbadon.
>>55012548As the guy writing Eris, you need to chill nigga. You're making a fool of yourself.
>>55012548>deny, deny, deny: The PostBe as dismissive as you like, pretend as much as you like. At the end of the day you're the one bending over backwards to force this concept through, supposedly on behalf of someone else even. >We'll it's been fun little manHoly shit you actually ARE 12.
>>55012548Wow. Just wow.
Anon will hate when I finish up my Eldar AU idea suggestion, titled Sister's War.
>>55012805To be fair, the Eldar have a much longer and more diverse history of female characters than literally any other faction in the setting.
>>55012805Eldar farseers are often female, frequently commanders, and generally well respected. Why would that be a problem?
Alright anon, good job you hurt the trolls feelings, he clearly got under your skin, we're going ahead with Eris and you two got to jerk each other off. Everybody wins, no one's a winner. But let's refocus.I want to have holidays in the Imperium. Like, a moderate amount. Rajmas is clearly one, and one for Kincaid feels appropriate, but I'm not sure if it needs to be jolly and cheery like his old personality or dour and dark like Post Burn
>>55012951Harvest festivals of sorts in most Agri Worlds, with perhaps a statue of Pacha if the Golden Mountains have passed by during the Great Crusade?
>>55013019I think having a Pacha themed harvest festival would work best. You celebrate by meeting your weekly work quota in the shortest amount of time possible, then you get to relax for 12 hours.Fatalities occurring from over working spike during this time of year
>>55002742OK I'm gonna call it the Great Joust. Seems fitting enough.Not exactly sure how to split the 21 legions up so that there is a fair number of qualifying fights though, any suggestions?
>>55013131>Overwork during a festivalPacha would never approve if such news came to his ears, nor would anyone in his Legion. Seems like planetary governorns are in for a BLAM!>>55013205Maybe split into 3 7-man round robins, best 2 of each get split again into 3 man round robin, then one final 1v1?
>>55013395Yeah that could work. At the moment I'm only attempting to write the final 1v1. I juat wanted to know how they get there.
>>55013395Good thing Pacha's a fucking celestial body by the time the grimderp sets in
>>55006897Also means that anti-nid measures are far better in the Union.>>55007115Might be neat, if totally irrelevant to in universe stuff if when turning off the synapse beasties left the nids blind. This surprise might help explain why such strange things happen at Sotha.Seems good.>>55007292I agree with you on 1.2) works pretty nicely.3) I had something, but then I got sidetracked...>>55012951>>55012820>>55012584Just a thought: I kind of figured that Eris was a bit more like Lorgar's Blessed Lady, except a powerful chaos sorceror. Not at all the same sort of leader as Abaddon, but more like a highly respected figurehead and mouthpiece for chaos. Kind of like an evil Celestine. Probably has less reach and command over the other chaos legions, which is why Ballamut is able to become so powerful since they present a chaos cult that doesn't have a mortal leading it.Of course, they're loyalist spawn, so your mileage may vary. For this reason, I think Chaos is even less united than it is in the OU, which actually furthers our goal.I do think though that she's got a great deal of power and I think the more sorcery inclined legions pay attention when she speaks, in particular, I see her being pretty popular with guys like the Stargazers Babylon V and with the abandoned sons of Hecate. Perhaps they even see her as a manifestation of Nurgle's will.The Soaring Host, on the other hand, have no use for her. The Changer of Ways speaks directly to them, dammit. Similarly, I don't think the sons of Mot are interested, nor the Gunslingers or Smoke Stalkers.>>55012951>>55013131I like this. How about an Oktoberfest in honor of Linares. Of course that's not properly grimderp on its own, but I'm sure that by 40k rolls around, Guardsmen will be issued plain water due to logistical issues.Guardsmen who do not get buzzed are executed for not drinking their beer. Guardsmen who are tipsy are executed for dereliction of duty or something like that.
>Elsu stuff!MardukA true brother. Marduk is an unbending ally. Where he leads I will follow, not just because he is brilliant, but because he is caring.PachaI had heard much of the Mountain’s kindness, though it seems that it is reserved for baseline humanity. At least he is not openly scornful.DeshainNEEDS INFO ON HOW DESHAIN SEES MUTANTSRegardless, in him I see a reflection of my own bitterness. Perhaps we have common cause despite our differences.LinaresNEED MORE INFONot quite sure really. I can see Linares being either way.EmilAll that enhancement makes you wonder what his limbs looked like to begin with. Can’t blame him for being secretive and quiet.EinchurtHe’s the real monster. And yet he’s tolerated.ElsuLambachA true friend and brother.Je’SheI may have been a bit quick to judge him. He’s a good man. He is, I fear, however, too much of an insider to the system to ever truly change it. Marduk says that at the end of the day, Je’She will choose his father’s throne over his principles and I agree with him. I do not hold it against Je’She, but I know that ultimately I cannot count on him.IsekhoNEED MORE INFO, I’d assume that the blind Primarch would be sympathetic to the feathered one, though.
>>55015938KincaidWhat an asshole. He ‘gifted’ me an anthem. It would have been nice if he’d asked us about lyrics, rather than copying them from a (rather bad) Remembrancer’s novella.DyestesDespite the order he produces, he’s as bad as Einchurt. Instead of corpses, he leaves machines.AssurI only know he does not like me. I must assume it is my feathers that offend his delicate senses of the aesthetic. I’d consider less garish plumage, but then I’m not so sure I trust his taste-- those tusks are rather flash.>As I get a better feel for things, they're going to be closer in tone to this one. Elsu is bitter, a bit paranoid, but he's also got a sense of humor and is rather self-aware, which makes his transformation all the more painful.AristedeNEED MORE DATAGyahdredGyahdred seems nice enough, if a bit distant. Though his reputation is not exactly the best, I can only imagine what my brothers say about me. He’s also a friend of Lambach’s and that’s good enough to me. I’ll have to send an ambassador to him to try to set up closer ties.
>>55015972ValornI think this one is a neat one, actually. From what I see, it looks like Valorn worries about Elsu and really wants him to get help. Valorn knows he’s not really well suited to this, so he tries to get Elsu reassigned to be nearer the Emperor.Elsu tried to help Valorn out once, but Valorn fell into that I NEED TO DO THIS MYSELF trap. Elsu might have realized that that’s just Valorn, but Elsu is rather thin skinned. (Einchurt and Dyestes etc will do that to you) So he just assumed that Valorn was giving the mutant the brush-off and that Valorn’s attempts to get him to go hang with E-Money are attempts to prep him for censure.This leads him to avoid the Emperor. The Emperor figures Elsu is being Elsu and he’s making some friends with some nice boys like Lambach and his little social club, so things will be ok. (This assuming that the Emperor sees feathers as NBD the way he does with Sanguinius. I don’t believe for a moment that the Big E didn’t know about the Red Thirst and seeds of the Black Rage. Or the Curse of the Wulfen. He knew and didn’t care, so I think it’s perfectly reasonable that Elsu’s feathers are also not a big deal for him, the way that the Curse of the Elver isn’t a huge problem for him. The E Money also doesn’t notice the influence of Tzneetch on him the same way that he doesn’t notice it on Magnus.)RajNOT QUITE SURE HOW TO PLAY THIS ONE OUTSolomonNEED MORE INFOPiterPiter is one of those rare Primarchs who is also a person. I have heard how he treats mutants and I will have to campaign alongside him at some point.MotAs much of an acquisitive bastard as my brother is, I might have a thing to learn from him about how to build a support base. The galaxy might loathe Mot, but he’s made himself critical to entire sectors, and that I respect.RahmanNEED MORE INFO>Continuing a thought from above, I think he comes to envy Assur, who's not really aware of what he's doing.
>Human leader for ChaosAlthough I don't see it clearly, could work. Maybe if she is a blessed one, too important to ignore, or something. Maybe she has a puppet that "leads" the Legion, but she is the one who gives orders>TournamentMaybe the winner hosts the next tournament, and doesn't participate. The 3x7, then 2x3, 1v1 looks legit too>Vacations! Kadir would have vacations already. Maybe at the end of the harvest season and when they reunited with the Imperium (when the Emperor went). If you are going for a galaxy-wide celebration, maybe the day Linares was found could be used, the celebration being like the Oktoberfest, or a Fair. Lots of beer and good food distributed. For a whole weekend, maybe
>>55011080Linares would live in a "cortijo", a farmhouse far from the villages, owned by landlords, and where you can find houses for the peasants, stables, sometimes bars...It would be pretty much a traditional cortijo, painted in white and with crimson outlines. It would be decorated with traditional Kadirian elements, like beautifully painted clay dishes hanging in the walls, flowers, rustic furniture...The fields around would be mostly wheat, barley, malt and vines fields, with a field of olives far from the house, where peaceful porks eat and live. The house would have a brewery and a "bodega", a place where wine is left inside casks to finish its production. There's a small blacksmith too, and barracks for both the peasants and the guards there. A big table would be found inside the house, used to host important diners, like the Arrival's Day and the annual Primarchs meeting. Linares would drive a big car, maybe a 4x4 or a SUV. Think in a Land Rover Defender or something similar, to tread the paths of his lands with no problem. But he may use horses as means of transport too.
>>55015938Linares would see Elsyu as a weird combination of Primarch and bird, and he wouldn't have much problem if Elsyu wasn't so...shy. They barely know each other, and that's a shame for Linares. As he hadn't many chances to better known Elsyu, when the Brotherwar started his feelings were less mixed than in the case of Lambach, for example. As a brother, he loved him, but not much more, so his feelings towards him are usually more those of "filthy traitor" than "filthy mutant"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11mgdC-NMK1hEbpnYm0T_4FSlealLQTVDso-78MwOopcEldar idea thing. :P
>>55015972Huh so Elsu's a huge prick. Disappointing
>>55011477I've tried to think of what the Union used after the Pharos drops, and I have to say that I haven't been able to come up with a satisfying answer. I've seen it suggested that the Imperial Ring completely blocks the Astronomican's light from reaches the Union, but I'm not sure if we're committed to that.>>55011925I don't really see much of a point in having the Sothanids and Tyranids be two different things. I feel like that's just gonna be one of those things that are gonna get pointlessly confusing. But I'll try to get a better grasp of everything you've posted about them.>>55013205The defending champion doesn't compete. After the tournament itself is finished, the winner goes against the previous champion to contest the title.
>>55019174Rahman would appreciate the music the way only high society can. :PHonestly, I feel like Rahman and Kincaid would get along famously if they could let the other be the center of a room but neither could.
>>55019236Well the difference is dissolved in a few centuries.>>55007115>>55007292Now the question is what they're called afterwards
>>55019797If people understand that Sothanids and Tyranids are the same species, then I wonder why they'd decide to change the name to Tyranids in the first place. I say Sothanids, because it's different, and they're the first.
It was Emperor's Day, and the Primarchs decided to meet in Suyu IV, as Pacha said that he had a new recipe that they couldn't miss. With this bait, the 21 brothers and the Emperor of Mankind met at Suyu IV, where a comfy house was erected at the edge of a beautiful mountain. In the house, 22 rooms prepared with exquisite details were waiting for the superhuman family. A dinning room located right besides the edge of the cliff was to host an epic dinner, with the most tasteful dishes ever prepared in the Imperium. Linares, as usual, arrived first, to help Pacha with the remaining preparations and to brew some delicios beer with the local corns and ingrdients. Beer that Pacha enjoyed too. The rest of the Primarchs arrived shortly after Lin-Lin. First came Kinnévail, who practiced with his instruments during the rest of the waiting time. The last, Einchurt. His usual excuse: xenocide stuff.Empy was to come later, just before the dinner. The time finally came, and everyone entered the room. The usual sound of random chatting between the Primarchs came to an end when everybody was to sit down. As a general rule, no weapons nor armor allowed. This, as usual, pissed off greatly Linares, as his sword was like another limb. But no weapons allowed included weaponized limbs and limbic weapons. The 21 brothers stood behind their chairs. They were placed around a rectangular wooden table. The Emperor sitted at one end of the table, with the Primarchs sitting in numerical order, evens at the left, odds at the right, and Rahman sitting in the other end of the table. All of them waited for the Emperor to sit down, who first greeted all his sons and then proceeded to take seat. The Primarchs did the same.
>>55019844The Sothanites come first, and by the time the Tyranids arrive on the scene, they are incomparable, and the Tyranids stealthy nature makes them even further at odds with the Sothanites.It's only when the Biomass Wars on Sotha occur that people figure out that they are strains of the same species
>>55019846The table was nearly ready. Candles places in the center, with a flowerpot in the center. The dishes were there, too, all of them made with masterfully engraved clay, with incan motifs and images resembling each diner, all of them painted in gold. The cutlery was made in silver with golden engravings. But the dishes were empty, waiting for the IInd Legion's chefs to fill them.The tasy plates arrived, and each Primarch was given the drinking choices. The dishes started to come, and when Empy gave the order, everyone started to eat.The food was clearly Pacha's job. One could feel his signature in every bite. Even Raj had to admit that this one was of the bests that Pacha had made ever. The Primarchs talked between them and with their Father, although it was slightly difficult for the ones closer to Rahman. It was one of those rare ocasions in which a family reunion doesn't turns into a massive spiral of dissapointment.When they were waiting for the desserts, Kinnévail, blushing, slowly stood up.Pacha: Look, Brother, he is going to sing something, that's for sure!Lin: Maybe, I don't know. He is blushing too much.Marduk: You both have drinked way too much this night! He is *not* going to sing, clearly!And proceeded:Kin: Father, fellow Brothers. I have come here suffering one of the most unsufferable damnations: love.Lambach: That's my little Brother!Je'She: What a...enjoyable surprise.Empy: What the...The Emperor's face showed a weird smile, one of disgust, maybe, and joy. Pacha whistled. Kincaid: You see, I met someone in Kaliborn Septima. That someone has dented both of my hearts with a blow way too strong to ignore. Einchurt even smiled. Mot remained silent, and Isekho listened patiently, enjoying the soft voice of his Brother.The tale continued for several minutes, and, at the end, laughter and jokes arised.Piter: When is the wedding, brother?Isekho: Yes, when?
>>55020027Pacha and Linares: OFFSPRING WHEN?!?!?!??!Marduk: Shut up, you both! Serfs, don't give more beer to these men. Empy: So, I could be...grandfather...That visibly troubled the Emperor. Je'She: I will be an uncle!Frederick, drunk too: YAY, A...a...A DONCLE!The rest of the dinner was eclipsed by Kincaid's speech and the subsequent reactions. Everybody left to their chambers after a quick speech from both Marduk and the Emperor. The Primarchs' dreams would be haunted the whole night by the sheer posibility of becoming an uncle, or even a father. Some couldn't sleep very well, constantly dreaming with the possibility. Others, couldn't sleep at all. Except Frederick. He fell asleep as soon as he got laid in the bed. And didn't dreamed. Only thing he said/thought about the matter, was the next morning.Frederick: Kincaid...corn beer...Kincaid...Doncle...BY THE HOLY WHITE FLAG!
>>55019846>>55020027>>55020184This isn't writefaggotry lads.This is a ninja introduction for aTHREAD PROMPT: Yor Primarch manages to pick up, gets married, and have children. Tell us about them!
>>55020196Linares' only child is a beautiful, kinda thicc girl called Sara, and, as oposed to her Father, she is pretty short. Genes sheananigans. Hot headed, irradiating joy and unable to hate, even to demonstrate the slightest anger. Her white skin is a perfect match for her void-black eyes, and her silverish hair gives her an interesting look that has caught the attention of many boys. Not very intelligent in scholar affairs, but when it comes to logistics and communications, she has no match. Well-known is her expertise in speeches, and it's said that she is able to calculate without problem the exact amount of supplies needed for a certain ocasion/place/whatever. She became one of the most beloved persons in Linares' life, along his Brothers, his Father, and his wife. She barely knows her Grandfather, but her favorite uncle is Lambach Kropor, but she hasn't seen him in a long time..
ok. so I'm trying to get to the bottom of this Sothanite thing>>55006897You've already completely lost me. The S/teel Souls cause the hive mind to say "fuck it"? What? And then they turn off the complex Nids? Why?>Now keep in mind that the Sothanites arrive a lot earlier than the TyranidsWhat? Why? They're literally the same thing! >>55007115Yeah, I dunno, this doesn't really sit right with me. Hard to say why, really. I'm not that well-versed in Nids lore, but this all seems a bit too convenient for me, and I don't really see what kickstarts these changes.I have no issue with the Nids being different from the OU, but having some sort of arbitrary divide between Sothanids and Tyranids just seems kinda pointless. I still don't even understand what the difference is supposed to be either.>>55007292Definitely 1. No need to overdiversify and dilute what the race is supposed to be. Kind of goes back to the Chaos Doomsingers discussion; don't overcomplicate it, just let the Nids be Nids.
Incoming tournament write faggery. Pic sorta related.The Great Joust.Against his own expectations Radcliff Kaden of the Chosen of Hecate legion now stood in the arena, at the beginning of the final bout to decide upon the champion of the Lord Linares “Great Joust”. The Lord of Ale sat on an immense throne above the arena, stein in one massive hand happily watching the duels take place. Radcliff Kaden thought back briefly to the meeting with his Primarch. Lambach Kropor had informed the young captain that his brother of the Silver Blades sought to host a tournament, he bade that each Legion send a great champion to Kadir, to partake in a series of bouts until a winner could be decided. Kaden was surprised when Lambach had requested that he go and represent the Chosen, he knew he had a certain talent with a blade and considered himself an above average combatant but to be selected to duel with the best the other Legions had to offer was both humbling and an immense honour. Radcliff Kaden had accepted and swore to his Primarch he would return with no stains on the Legions honor. Many of his bouts had been very close calls, Chanka of the Golden Mountains and Bzaa-Drakk of the Forge Lords in particular had come very close to overwhelming him with their sheer size and strength. Scurlock of the Gunslingers had fought dirty with two pistols, using every trick up his sleeve. He’d almost been undone by the awe inspiring skill of Sahir Al-Halib of the Sentinels and Diaz of the Silver Blades, and the frightening speed and ferocity of Crazy Grox who hailed from the Soaring Host again almost had him beaten. But despite all of these amazing combatants Radcliff Kaden had prevailed, he held to his diligent training and dogged surefootedness to carry him through and now against what he considered all the odds Radcliff Kaden stood before his final opponent and the last step between himself and a great and honorable glory for his Legion.
>>55020454Zamalash of the Smoke Stalkers stood patiently waiting for the match to start. Kaden had witnessed Zamalash take several opponents that had underestimated his skill due to his lack of vision. The Stalker moved with a languid, almost relaxed grace. His twin blades flicking out only to make telling blows, not to say Zamalash himself had not had struggles reaching this vaunted position. The Smoke Stalker champion was perhaps a foot taller than Kaden, who, himself was by no means a short man, but did not match the Chosen captain in bulk. Both had trained their bodies to reflect their respective fighting styles and while Radcliff Kaden had the stocky build of one who favored a defensive fight everything about Zamalash screamed he was a duelist. The hollow eye sockets of Zamalash unnervingly followed Kaden as the Chosen captain circled gripping his spear tightly and hefting his shield reflexively Kaden played the game of patience with his opponent. Both favored allowing their opponent to strike first and then react accordingly. Lord Linares raised his stien and said “The two of you have proven the best of the best, regardless of the outcome both of you have fought with honour and skill and do your Legions proud, but there may be only one winner” with that he slammed his stien down signaling the match had now officially started. Kaden advanced on his opponent warily, knowing it was exactly what Zamalash wanted but confidant that armed with as they were he had the advantage of range. With a suddenness that caught Kaden completely off guard the Smoke Stalker champion launched himself directly at Kaden. His intention was clear and understandable. He too had studied his opponent and knew that Kaden preferred to keep his enemy at length. Zamalash planned to get inside Kaden's defensive stance and in doing so eliminate Kaden's ranged advantage.
>>55020472Zamalash feinted towards Kaden's left hand side then quickly darted right chopping his twin blades towards the haft of Radcliff’s spear. Kaden predicted this move though as he knew it was a favored tactic to deal with a warrior armed as he was. He let his spear arm fall and rolled with blow, expecting to slam his shield into the back of Zamalash's head. A slower adversary would have been concussed with the force of such a strike but Zamalash was far to swift to be caught off guard. The Smoke Stalker dove to the side avoiding the hammer blow of a shield bash. The two fighters again separated, Kaden gave Zamalash a curt nod out of respect before realising the gesture would probably be wasted due to Zamalash's lack of sight and immediately chided himself for his lack of respect. Then to his surprise the Smoke Stalker returned the gesture. The two warriors circled each other for a moment before both diving into an attack. Kaden swept his spear towards Zamalash's legs in an attempt to trip the sword master. When the Stalker jumped over the strike Kaden expertly followed up with a thundering uppercut from his shield arm. The blow caught Zamalash off guard and sent the Legionnaire sprawling. With a shake of his head Zamalash recovered just in time to dodge the full momentum of Kaden's follow up bull charge. He twisted to the right catching Kaden across the back with the flats of both his swords this time sending Kaden over. Deftly, Kaden rolled back into a recovery pose but lost his spear in the process.
>>55020483Zamalash pressed his advantage raining blows down onto the Chosen of Hecate Captain. Kaden struggled to fend off the onslaught. Taking as many hits as he could with his shield but for every blow he warded off two more opened his armour causing great wells of blood to splash onto the arena floor. With his vision blurring Radcliff Kaden let out a mighty roar and drove to his feet. He grabbed Zamalash around the throat with his free hand and rammed his head with full force into the Smoke Stalkers face, shattering Zamalash's nose and dazing the Smoke Stalker before hammering his shield into the Stalkers unprotected face twice. Kaden hurled Zamalash away from him and swept up his weapon. The Smoke Stalker was quick to recover, regaining his composure and opting for a defensive duelists stance. Both opponents were clearly on their last legs and it was obvious to the onlookers that if the match didn't end soon one of the champions would perish. None dared interfere though, for to do so would besmirch the honor of the duel.
>>55020495Kaden noticed Zamalash was not moving as surely and seemed less confident in his footing. The silent warrior’s blind sockets still unnervingly followed Kaden's every move but Kaden picked up on slight shakes of the Smoke Stalkers head. Radcliff Kaden made a gamble on the guess that the repeated blows to the head had in some way damaged Zamalash's hightened senses. The Captain of the Chosen of Hecate hefted his spear and hurled it directly at his opponent. Zamalash cut the weapon from the air with his twin blades but with his dulled senses was just not swift enough to avoid Kaden's follow up charge. The Smoke Stalker tried again to dance away but this time Kaden, braced behind his shield, barreled into Zamalash and smashed the air from his lungs. Kaden drove his opponent to the edge of the arena. Zamalash gave a final push back and the two astartes locked in a brutal scrimmage. Slowly, inexorably Kaden's superior strength won out and he was able to push the Smoke Stalker from the ring. Zamalash landed on his back with a heavy thud as a great cheer rose from the assembled onlookers.
>>55020510Lord Linares was on his feet. Applauding the performance as Kaden, close to blacking out sunk to his knees with exhaustion. Radcliff Kaden Captain of the Chosen of Hecate had just won the Great Joust. With a smile on his lips Kaden closed his eyes for a mere second that felt like an eternity as the situation set in. When he opened them again Zamalash stood over him, the silent warrior seemingly staring right into Kadens soul with those empty, unnerving pits. Kaden was unsure of what to say and so remained silent until the Smoke Stalker offered his hand. Kaden took it and Zamalash helped him to his feet. Barely above a whisper the Stalker champion spoke for the first time. "You fought valiantly son of Kropor, there is no shame in losing to you only a great lesson for which I owe you my thanks"."And you brother, such skill I have never witnessed. This fight could easily have been yours, it was an honor to face you Zamalash of the Smoke Stalkers".That night Lord Linares held a feast to honor all those who had participated in the tournament. Each warrior was addressed by name and Linares spoke with each about the highlights of their fights. No detail had he missed for he greatly appreciated the martial arts. Food and Drink was plentiful and each warrior swore an oath of brotherhood to each other. At the peak of the night Linares gifted the tournament winner with a magnificent suit of Artificer Armour that he had had crafted specifically for the occasion and in the direct wake of the tournament painted and tailored to the exact specifications of Radcliff Kaden. At the same time announcing that in ten years time another great Joust would be held. No Chosen of Hecate warrior would ever go on to win again. Though some came close, none ever matched the honor attained by Captain Kaden. The first champion of the Great Joust.
>>55020524Hopefully I captured the fight well enough for everyone's expectations I wanted to show Kaden off as being exceptionally skilled but he doesn't realize or appreciate just how talented he actually is. Though I'm not great at writing action pieces. Anyway let me know what you guys think.
>>55020454>>55020472>>55020483>>55020495>>55020510>>55020524>>55020558Good stuff man, well written fight. The tournament might be something we come back to.... is the Artificer Armor supposed be a one time thing or is that just because it's the first tournament?
>>55020622Thanks man. I would love too see someone else try thier hand at writing a take on it.As for the reward I'm not sure, it makes sense that Linares would give each champion a reward right? Probably matching suits to show the honor they've won?
Rewrote a character Lambach suggested a while back. A lot of it's the same, but I've mainly expanded on things:>Saheb Bahwar, the Cyclone. Master of Signal, Chapter Master of the Seventy-Seventh Chapter (Honorable Cyclones)Saheb Bahwar was among the oldest members of the Titan Marchers, having been part of the influx of new recruits upon their Primarch’s reunification with his legion, and as such had gained a fierce reputation as a master of every aspect of warfare. A mountain of a man by Titan Marcher standards, Bahwar's turban and long, beloved beard became heavily decorated with commendations. Most proudly worn was a commendation from Raj's own brother Valorn Adras for Bahwar’s perfect execution of a siege in a rare joint campaign with the Pale Hounds. Bahwar would go to battle armed with an enormous Thunder hammer named "Sky Cracker" and favored his own custom Storm bolter when at range.Making note of the impact Bahwar had on new recruits Raj Vokar promoted the Cyclone to Chapter Master of the 77th Chapter. A role that Saheb Bahwar fulfilled with honor and dedication. The 77th had recently been devastated; a combination of attrition from several consecutive campaigns, as well as an encounter with a dreaded Eldar Craftworld. Saheb was given the task of rebuilding the chapter, which meant training the new Astartes that were meant to get the 77th back up to full strength.Saheb himself was a Master of Signal, and used his skills he had acquired to train the 77th in one of the Titan Lord’s favorites. In becoming Master of Signal Saheb was trained to have a clear overview of the entire battlefield, hence his mastery of so many aspects of war, as well as effective communication skills. This allowed him to effectively train so many Astartes in so many different fields. He was also a strong orator, and within a matter of two decades managed to drill the young Astartes into true Angels of the Emperor.
>>55021591The 77th proved itself to be one of the most versatile chapters of the XVIIth legion. Picking up the tricks from their Chapter Master, the marines of the 77th specialized in quick and clear communication, which allowed them to respond much faster to changes on the battlefield than most other Titan Marcher chapters. These strong communication lines also benefitted the 77th’s partnered Titan Legio, Legio Avenis.Ultimately Saheb met his fate at the feet of his own Primarch’s Titan during the Siege of Terra. When the Gunslingers Primarch Deshain Kane the Apocalyptican and killed Raj Vokar, Saheb was caught in the ensuing. His death was certainly not in vain; the experienced Bahwar noticed Deshain’s assault and realized what was about to happen. He called for evacuation, allowing almost seventy of his charges to escape from the blast radius. Many of the survivors claimed that the Cyclone himself could easily have made it to safety himself before the explosion but repeatedly went back to ensure others were removed from harm’s way first. The Cyclone's Thunder hammer was salvaged after the Siege. When the Second Founding was called the Titan Marchers split along preexisting chapter lines. Those that had learned everything they knew from Saheb renamed their own chapter to the "Honourable Cyclones". The Sky Cracker is the chapter’s most cherished relic and has been handed down from Chapter Master to Chapter Master up to M41.>>55020857I could see him giving away Artificer Armors, yeah. Kinda awkward if you keep winning and you end up with 10 armors you don't use.
>>55021607Yeah I should have added that they only go the one time maybe and each 10 years is a new batch. Also good to see the Cyclone getting a tune up.
>>55021653Right that sounds better.And it feels good to give him that tune-up. I am noticing a lot typos though. I'll fix those in the doc.
>>55020454>>55020472>>55020483>>55020495>>55020510>>55020524Great one! Only thing I would change is that Lord Linares doesn't sounds very good. Maybe the Lord of the IVth Legion, the Lord of Kadir, or just Linares. Anyway, good writing there! We'll see in 10 years ;)>>55020622>>55020857The prize of the Tournament could be a set of Artificer Armor, painted with the colors of the winner's Legion, yes. >>55021607>>55021653Well, if we are going for the "the previous Tournament winner hosts the next one and fights to defend the title" aproach, there would be no need to limit the number of prizes one can get. You get one when you win for the first time, then, even when you keep winning, as you already have the title, you don't get a new one. The new batches every Tournament sounds good. Also, if we want to write more about this, 10 years between tournaments isn't too much? Because Brotherwar. Unless we do something like "Fuck war, we are going to the tournament"
>The Great Joust Rules>Held every ten (10) years>Each Legion sends a champion to fight>The winner of the previous Joust hosts the next one>The winner doesn't fight until the tournament phase has ended>Then, he fights against the remaining champion to see if he keeps the title or not>If the aspiring champion wins, receives a set of "Coraza del Duelista" artificer armor>The Joust is fought with a melee weapon of choice>No killing the other champion allowed>The duel ends when one duelist is pushed out of the ring
>>55021591>>55021607This guy looks good. The Lord of the Ale aproves>Sky CrackerI swear I thought I read "Sky Cancer"
PROMPT:Does your primarch enjoy eating raw onions?No.>>55023159>the Forge Lords' champion to one of these games is The Last Terran>he never says a word or removes his helmet>he defeats most of his challengers, but five are able to triumph over him>they are each rewarded with a chain weapon of impeccable craftsmanship, seemingly tailored to their specific fighting styles, despite ostensibly being made before The Last Terran's arrival
>>55023848It's a Joust with a tournament-format, so I doubt that a single man fights 5 times against different foes
>>55024015He can if he's Mot Hadad himself
>>55020558Yo dude, this is awesome. I appreciate how you wrote the smoke stalker as a respectful warrior as they should be.Just a little FYI for everyone, smoke stalkers have eyes, not empty eye sockets, they are just blind.
>>55023848>Raw onionsno>The Last TerranYeah, that just doesn't really work with the way the tournament is set up.>>55024036I don't really see how that changes anything?
>>55019174Might have over played the bitter angle there. He's just had enough of worrying about being exterminated.I'm going for a decent, if rash guy in a society that hates his guts. He copes with humor, but if you're an ass to him, he's an ass right back.
>>55023159>Death's Heads rarely win because they aren't allowed to irradiate their opponents like they usually do in melee
I found a bunch of bullshit that I posted in previous threads that I feel I should post here in case anyone missed it. >The Black Baron of Felge SecundusSequestered in the galactic south is a minor warp storm known as the Bleeding Reef. Though it may lack in size, it houses perhaps the largest conclave of traitor forge worlds in Segmentum Tempestus. Foremost among these dark reflections of Mars is the world of Felge Secundus, ruled by the self-proscribed Black Baron. The Baron is not like most of his dark mechanicum brethren: he employs psychic power on scale unseen before the Great Heresy, and seems to enjoy leading raids into the Imperium with a worrisome frequency. Imperial pict-captures and scout reports describe something utterly inhuman, with most of his flesh replaced with augmetics. Instead of the gear-shaped badge of office wielded by even traitor magi, the Black Baron holds a blade of purest obsidian, a force sword rumored to be wrought from the bones of daemons and possessed by a bloodletter of Khorne. The Black Baron pledges nominal fealty to Hashut, but how he resists the call of the daemon sword remains unknown.
>>55025649>The Vorpal Chains>Forged in secret by the last drop of Loyalist blood in the Forge Lord's fiery viens, a set of five auspicious chainblades of incomparable quality and ferocious potential were gifted to the finest swordsmen of the Legions Astartes. Crafted with tender affection and exacting skill that borders on the preternatural, to wield the blades of fate known as Vorpal Chains is to grasp a primal force of nature entrenched within a fortress of righteous fury. Pieced together by hand, with components unique to each blade, by an anonymous master artificer known only as The Last Terran. To the greater Imperium, his identity is known only through his works, each a piece of awe inspiring beauty and raw power. It is rumoured the Forge Lords know of the Last Terran's true identity, as well as his fate. To the wielders of the Fateful Five, The Last Terran is one of the great heroes of the Imperium, and the greatest smith of man to ever live. >Each Vorpal Chain is unique, no one blade the same, forged to exacting specifications to their destined wielders. How the Last Terran knew how the bladesmen needed their blades is a mystery that lingers to the present day, but it almost seems that when the blade is passed down it fits the grip of the newest worthy warrior with eerie comfort, to be swung with the utmost ease. The blades themselves are monomolecular constructs of unknown design, so sharp that the very air around the spinning blades mists around the weapon, cut by the slightest motion. To swing a Vorpal Chain is to invoke the fog of war, and to push through the thickest armor as a hawk dives through the air.(cont.)
>>55025676>The most noteworthy feature of the Vorpal Chains is the sound. The motor is nearly entirely silent, barely louder than a soft, pleased purr. But when the blade is swung the air swells with a soft sweeping sound, that ushers forth a thunderous, sonorous crack like a whip or bolt of lightning when striking its prey. The silence, and the sound, of a Vorpal Chain, is unforgettable and impossible to mistake. Snicker snack>At the outbreak of the Brotherwar and the advent of Chaos, the wielders of these mythic blades trapped within the traitor legions escaped their treasonous brothers and formed a pact of honor, love, and duty to the Imperium, Her Emperor, and Her People. These noble slayers formed the brotherhood known to history as the Emperor's Champions. Alongside their Primarchs and the Adeptus Custodes, these legendary swordsmen would go forth and turn the tides of the greatest wars in the Heresy.
>>55025696>The Black Baron of Felge SecundusSequestered in the galactic south is a minor warp storm known as the Bleeding Reef. Though it may lack in size, it houses perhaps the largest conclave of traitor forge worlds in Segmentum Tempestus. Foremost among these dark reflections of Mars is the world of Felge Secundus, ruled by the self-proscribed Black Baron. The Baron is not like most of his dark mechanicum brethren: he employs psychic power on scale unseen before the Great Heresy, and seems to enjoy leading raids into the Imperium with a worrisome frequency. Imperial pict-captures and scout reports describe something utterly inhuman, with most of his flesh replaced with augmetics. Instead of the gear-shaped badge of office wielded by even traitor magi, the Black Baron holds a blade of purest obsidian, a force sword rumored to be wrought from the bones of daemons and possessed by a bloodletter of Khorne. The Black Baron pledges nominal fealty to Hashut, but how he resists the call of the daemon sword remains unknown.
>>55025712>Yavus LosTerran-born. Proud. Utterly unrelenting in his prosecution of the Emperor's vision for the galaxy.Yavus Los was a champion of the XX Legion's 45th expedition fleet, and by far the greatest warrior of XII Company. Among his slain foes included four Ork warbosses, an Autarch, and a myriad of lesser xenos, not least among them a terrifying multi-limbed beast with a tail that could pierce ferrocrete. Yavus thanked the Emperor for his combat prowess and the will to carry out his duty to the Imperium. When his father chose to turn his back on the Master of Mankind, Yavus turned his back on his father, leaving with what remained of the XII company after an encounter with bizarre extradimensional entities that feasted on the armors of his compatriots. Bound to Terra, it took Yavus years to sail through the warp, befuddled as it was by the tides of the ruinous powers. When Yavus finally reached his destination, nearly two decades had passed and the Battle for Terra was long over.Official records state that Yavus was given the Emperor's Peace after a lengthy interrogation by Kincaid himself, but this date coincides with a founding of new astartes chapters during a time when gene-seed supply was dangerously low.
>>55025524Oh hey what happened to my trips
>>55025308The thing is that Kincaid doesn't care about mutants, he's killed them by the boat load, but he's also befriended them and back home helped demystify them from "Yar, the goblins in them thar hills" and molemen to just normal dudes.Once Kincaid goes Arch Traitor: Loyalist Edition, Elsu is already down the slippery slope to Chaos, and Kincaid is a different character entirely. But he views mutants that serve the Emperor as twice as loyal, since they are basically staying true to the God Emperor even though everything in their life is going against them.Abhor the Mutant is replaced by Pity the Mutant. They're still dirty, second class citizens, but not outright hated by the Imperium in its entirety. I would think Pre Burn they would be pretty tight.
>>55024166Hey dude, glad you liked it. My bad with the eyes thing I was unsure exactly how their eyes were affected my bad I'll edit it for you.
>>55023106I decided to go with Lord Linares because it is written predominately from Kaden's perspective. So Lord Linares is what a mere Captain would think to call him. Also we can change the 10 years thing if you guys like I just thought it'd be handy up until the brother war. After that the great Joust if it did continue would most likely only have loyalist fighters attend. Maybe we could work out a parley where Seps can also attend but unfortunately there is no way for Chaos to attend with out them just fucking shit up. Also rather than a defending champ I think a new batch every 10 tournament works the best.
>>55025524>Gunslingers usually kicked because of their pistols
>>55026928I would rather go for a new batch every Joust
>>55027235Yeah that's what I meant to say. "Every 10 year tournament" but my sausage like fingers on my phone failed to press the buttons right haha.
>>55016942Awesome. +5 bro-points to Linares.>>55026606Oh, in that case, that changes everything. I'll get on that, something to the effect of Kincaid being a badass and even taking the time to learn the languages of Thashunke. We can have them go on badass adventures together, space-Conan style. This, I think gives the remembrancers a lot to write about and helps sell that "mutants are ok". When Kincaid gets burned, Elsu is right there by his side, but Kincaid has changed. (Granted, Elsu is also a bit on his guard because of anti-psyker rumblings. Also Elsu is the type to say "Dude. What the fuck is wrong with you, you're a psyker." He's also not going to take that pity the mutant well.Anyways, I'm thinking the two of them drift apart, but really aren't happy about it. It's definitely something Elsu regrets.Depending on how insidious we want Marduk to come across, he can be all "Kincaid is changed, your friend is gone, my brother." Elsu tells Marduk to shut up, but... well...It'll be interesting to see what Kincaid does about those stories, whether they're kept as kind of like Thor and Loki tales or whether Elsu is replaced by a brother who tragically dies. Both are true, from a certain point of view...
>>55027318No problem then XD
>>55027743>the time to learn the languages of Thashunke. We can have them go on badass adventures together, space-Conan styleThat's Kinnévail in a nutshell pre burn. His character gets a lot simpler once he gets roasted. After that he pretty much looses all his friends.
>>55015991Raj would likely get along with Elsu quite well. For one, Raj is not particularly suspicious of psykers; Manaan did not have them and Raj is quite open minded (by 40k standards). So that wouldn't be an issue. Same goes for the mutation. He feels pity for his brother, never able to live up to expectations due to the nature of his birth.Elsu probably wouldn't find much solace with Raj though. He pretty much gets along with everyone, but that also kinda 'cheapens' his friendship, if you know what I mean?
>>55029808I think I may spin that with our buddy Marduk suggesting that like Je'She, Raj is loyal to the system first and that while he's nice, it's ultimately that neutral form of niceness.Elsu appreciates it. He appreciates anyone who doesn't hate him because he's a mutant, but he's doesn't expect Raj to stand up for him and so he doesn't open up to Raj the way he does Kincaid, Marduk, or Lambach.
>>55030613It seems like there's a little band between Elsu, Lambach, and Kincaid. Kincaid gets along with Raj, Linares and Ashur really well, treating them more like big brothers, but those three are the only ones I can see sitting in a room with each other without problems arising
Which five legions make the most sense to have champions that receive vorpal chains?
>>55030988Silver Blades, Emperor's Dragoons, Star Warriors, Iron Guard, Sentinels?
Here's a flow chart showing the Sothanid development
>>55031466Fucking mobile.Have a discord post that is easier to swallow than my cancerous blocks of text
>>55015972As for Frederick, I can only assume he detests Elsu will all of his being.Aristide is stuck up and pompous, his ship is called the Heir of Superiority for goodness' sake. Astartes are supposed to be superior to regular men, and Primarchs are supposed to be superior to their sons. Elsu's mutations are an abomination in his eyes.Basically, Frederick Aristide eats, shits and breathes the Imperial Truth, but he's also very condescendingly French about.
>>55031484>>55031397On the topic of the !Deathwatch, I was thinking that there's a splinter of the Dusk Phantoms who patrols the outer dark.Basically, as things heat up around the time of the censure of the Mountains, the Dusk Phantoms hold a synod to discuss the possibility of an Imperial Civil War. Basically a faction says that they'll refuse to participate in one. Asked what they'll do if war comes, they swear an oath to protect the realms of man.Gyahdred notifies his brothers of these dudes. Everyone laughs/yells at him for taking a possibility so seriously, but hey, that's Gyahdred.Then Civil War breaks out and these guys go to do their mission. They're still at it.
>>55031247It would make sense, yes. The Chain could be one of those relics that goes from Chapter Master to Chapter Master, or from First Company Captain to First Company Captain.
>>55033490I read about these dudes before. Weren't they supposed to be Nids killers? They could also be absorbed into the Deathwatch, unless you want them to keep being their own thing.>>55035104Exactly. If you want to give away chainswords to the greatest swordsmen in the Imperium, one is bound to end up with the Silver Blades.
While we're moving forward on a lot of fronts, I personally do want to kind of go back and reevaluate a couple of Primarch origin stories, including my own.I don't think any of them are fundamentally flawed, but those 21 stories need to be some of the best-written ones we have. Who else would be interested in going through them?
>>55038224I'll have to do some re-reading to do to be up to date, and I won't be available over the weekend but sure, I'll lend a hand in optimising the dramaturgical curve.
>>55038224Sure. I think Rahman, being the newest, also is fairly solid, though I need to flesh it out. But it establishes traits, history, and a reason for the requisite father issues. :PHonestly, we should likely start just going down the list, legion by legion, and doing it.
>>55038224I'm more than happy to help. Though with Lambach I'm not entirely sure how much to add. That section of his document cn probably definitely use some rewording but him having a simple background is very important to his character now so I'm afraid his won't be a terribly exciting read.
>>55041418Think it's the same with Linares'. It's simple, could use some rewording.
Am I alone in wanting the Imperium to be a spark of Gathering Stormesque Nobledark in this sea of Civil War Grimdark?I mean, they're shaping up to be the most united faction. Chaos has enough political strife to make the OU Imperium shudder, simply because it's more organized than OU Chaos and not run by retards, and the Union isn't even a singular entity.And at the end of the day Imperials can set aside their differences and go "The Emperor wouldn't want his children to fight amongst themselves."
>>55041418Even an uneventful life has keymoments, little experiences that shape the person's life.In Lambach's case, academic lectures that fostered his curiosity for the unknown and the Immaterium are vital for him to become so reliant on the idea that he cannot, must not give up his psychic research once he's been censured.In the same vein, I believe it is important to spice his upbringing up with little events of inexplicable Warp shenanigans, like low-key undead incursions that speak of evil foreboding on Lambach's future.>>55042553The same applies here. Three of Linares' key characteristics are his bro-tasticism, his foulmouthedness and his very emotional character (expressing itself when he goes berserk after Raj's death). There are reasons as to why he became like this, little events throughout his life that shaped his belief in being the best friend he can be, that manners mean little when it's a matter of life and death and that make him rely on his intuition more than his logical brain. Maybe he's experienced more loyalty from commonners than ruling class military, maybe he experienced enormeous gratitude for his self-sacrificing nature. All these events can create a story by themselves.So I suggest both of you wrack your brain a little bit and squeeze out the build-up to those events, the environment, and the conclusion following them that lead to either of them becoming the way they are.in the case of Ashur, there is his upbringing in a caring family, the loss of said family, the collaring, his release, his inclusion into a new but less respectable family and eventually his conquest of his greatest foes. All of these events are described very roughly in my character's doc, but they can be developed very easily. If you can find it in you to just pick out the rough points and squeeze just that little more lore out of it, you're already on a good path.
>>55044121I think "Nobledark" is the wrong word. I guess they are further away from the absolutely dystopian theocratic oppressive regime that still largely is caught in internal squabbles over corpse starch, however I advise against making them any more heroic. We're not really supposed to make one faction more sympathetic than the other, although it's very much the case already with Chaos (We got the dudes legitimately wanting the world to end, we got the dudes so hungry they'll eat fucking everything, we got the NOBODY GETS ANYTHING NICE Mot Hadad and then we got Deshain Kane. Lambach is our only relatable character)So, all in all, I can see them less of a shit heap than OU Imperium, definitely.
>>55044293Got it. Will try to expand it, although his bro-ness and impulsiveness are things of his own character, not a trait gained with life experiences. But yes, I think it could use some expansion. Will work on it.
>>55044626Characters are formed and shaped through life experiences.You didn't come out 'cho momma and were like "Let's be a nerd!" right off the bat, were you?
>>55044480All factions are less shitty because we aren't shekel fiends
>>55044677But you don't learn to be a bro, I suppose
>>55044293Yeah that's a good point. A lot of it is that he learned to belive that psykers were the next logical evolutionary step for man kind on Miletus. Something that always stuck with him. I can work that angle.Also I'll dig a bit more into the people of Miletus itself. After Lambach arrived people started to question if the old gods actually did exist. I could perhaps have some of them inducted into the Legion, while the world slowly converts back to god worship behind closed doors.
>>55044961There's definitely a biological component to whether you're more altruistic or egoistically inclined, however I would argue that depending on how well your environment responded to it, you adapt. Being so bro-tastic the way I interpreted Linares to be requires some serious encouragement from outside in my oppinion.
What should the next OP pic be?