Warmasters Triumvirate is an attempt at creating yet another 40k AU. The Primarchs have changed, and instead of appointing a single Warmaster upon returning to Terra, the Emperor leaves the Great Crusade in the care of three of his sons. This eventually culminates in a civil war between Loyalists, Chaos Traitors and Separatists... Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEMChapter Constructor: https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads/Previous Thread: >>53681127>Decided Exactly how Ullanor goes.>Decide How Nikea goes down Exactly.>Be upset that Kane can afford to pay artists for his picture
>>53718973>common Forge Lords mutations
>>53718973>Be upset that Kane can afford to pay artists for his pictureNot for long.>>53719122Dwarfism.
>>53719543I was referring to the OP pic.
Tijo Nosebi, Captain of the Starburst: It was during the pacification of a planet designated Nova XIII that Radcliff Kaden found Tijo and her brother, after the main city had fallen and the Chosen of Hecate were helping to restore order and rebuild. Kaden heard the calls of the children in the rubble. Once he Cleared it he found two young children, twins. The brother stood defiantly in front of his sister holding nothing but a shank fashioned from broken glass and cloth. Immediately Kaden knew the boy would make a fine Legionnaire should he survive the training and worked on calming the children and gaining their trust, he knew he was fighting an uphill battle considering the Chosen of Hecate had just bought the world to heel. After two days Kaden managed to coax the children out by offering them food. He offered the boy a chance to join the ranks of the Space Marines. Tijo, the little girl was furious that such an offer be made to her brother and not to her as well, Kaden tried his best to explain to the small human child why women could not become Astartes. The best he could offer her was a role as a serf inside the legion. With the lack of trepidation afforded only to a child, the first time Tijo laid eyes upon Lambach she walked directly up to him, cutting into his conversation with his commanders and demanded she be allowed to join her brother in training to become a marine. Lambach, immensely amused by the girl took her under his wing. He explained to her how much he would enjoy having her as an Astartes but for reasons unknown to himself his father had disallowed it genetically.
>>53719768Tijo acted as Lambachs personal serf catering to his needs and he always made time to listen to her stories. The girl had an active imagination and could always seem to find new ways of amusing him. Tijo spent more and more time on the bridge of the Starburst and as time went by her fiery attitude never left her and she would constantly, loudly and much to the chagrin of the Starbursts old terran captain point out ideas and plans for the ship to take, highly against regulations but never less potentially effective. Lambach had her trained to pilot her own ship, the Cerastes, incredibly young at the age of 16, but when one had the favor of Lambach anything was possible. By the time she was 25 Tijo had replaced the old Terran as the captain of Starburst. A role she has performed excellently in. Her swift thinking and gungho attitude affording the swift moving Starburst a captain far more willing to push her to peak performance levels.
Also anyone who hasn't read Emil's short story, I'm posting it again because it is great and you all should read it.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JsX1QLblO_rbm1Nu9Usy9wlb4yLltYxMRPfT1y2SwB0/edit?usp=sharing
This is a slow night.
>>53721609It's a Friday, everyone's probably out partying with their normie friends.
>>53721691And I'm just sitting here, typing on my brand new keyboard with fancy diagonal arrow keys on the computer of my own brother's design.
>>53721785We're sitting around singing God save the Queen.
>>53722048Fuck off bong.
So what exactly did we agree on about the battle of Terra? Loyalists start out under attack by Seps, Heretics (incognito) ride over the hill and save them, then once the seps are gone the Heretics attack, they get beaten and start the ruin storm.Is that accurate?
>>53718973What the actual fuck is that?
>>53723359I think the best way to figure all this out is to work it through one step at a time, starting with Ullanor and going into the Heresy to come. To repost from last thread:First up, who isn't at Ullanor? Why aren't you there?Who is by the emperor's side when he is wounded?From there, how is the campaign handled? This is really critical for the three Warmasters . Do they open three fronts? Do they collaborate in a central command?Do any legions get screwed over, get used as a meat shield, etc?Essentially come up with grievances, rivalries, stuff that can boil over after the end of the phase.See >>53713256 for all replies.I'm also thinking they exterminatus Ullanor at the end.
>>53723809>Gyahdred and UllanorI'm thinking legion isn't at the emperor's side and at some level blames whoever was. I think they also get tasked with a few things to protect citizens by Je'She, and while they do it, they feel like it's a waste of their time and that Pacha should be doing it. Eventually Aššur sets them loose and somebody else takes it over. Perhaps there's a delay and the Orks invade. The mortals are able to hold, despite some casualties because of the fortifications the XVth built. The Astartes relief gets there to find the Orks have been defeated at high cost to the mortals and Je'She/Pacha is pissed. Gyahdred is unsympathetic. The humans survived and played an active role in their salvation. Besides, he gave them a fortress and his statistics said they'd hold and he was right.Aššur tells them to quit bitching too, Gyahdred's forces have been on a rampage and the lives of a few billion guardsmen have bought massive gains against the orks.At some other point, Gyahdred pisses someone off by diverting to defend a forge.Most of the campaign, though, I think he is shredding Orks. A Warmaster gives him a direction and he makes like Sherman. Frederick makes best use of this, designing other campaigns to work alongside Gyahdred's actions, generally coordinating things. This just reinforces his fondness for Je'She as a leader.
>>53723809ATM we have:>At UllanorAll three WarmastersBrotherhood of the AbyssIron GuardTitan MarchersPale HoundsGunslingersGolden Mountains>Limited ForcesSilver Blades>Not SureSilver Souls>Not At UllanorDeath's HeadsChosen of Hecate
>>53723916>at UllanorDo you mean the Ullanor Crusade (spanning multiple sectors), the battle for Ullanor (in a single planetary system), the final attack on the planet Ullanor, or the post-battle Triumph of Ullanor? It's confusing, but you need to get it straight. In the OU;- the Crusade has forces from a multitude of different Legions,- the battle is just Luna Wolves, White Scars and Ultras and the latter two Legions only fight in the outer system battles,- the triumph is attended by representatives from Fourteen Legions, including nine of the Primarchs.(See http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ullanor for more detail)
>>53723976Good question.I mean the Ullanor Crusade.I'm thinking the Emperor is critically injured early in the Ullanor Crusade, before they actually get in system. We can figure out who actually lands on Ullanor later. I'm guessing there's something of a race between the Warmasters to get there first.Not at all sure who's there for the triumph, if we have one at all. I imagine the mood will be very different with the Emperor "avenged".Anyways, I'm thinking the more time we have on the campaign, the more time there is for the Warmasters and the legions to really start to resent eachother.
>>53724027>I'm thinking the Emperor is critically injured early in the Ullanor CrusadeBy whom? There aren't many creatures in the galaxy that could seriously harm the Emperor.
>>53724061This has been discussed in earlier threads, but by a massive Ork Warboss on par with The Beast.Specifically, in Wolf of Ash and Fire, The Emperor almost gets choked out by a giant Warboss. Horus is there to save him, though.So instead, we're taking the assumption that either nobody is there to save him or whoever is there is a bit too slow, etc.
>>53724061Warboss that is also a psker jacked up on power by sheer number of boyz around?Or Kane actively shoots him in the back mid fight while noone except Gunslingers are watching?
>>53724211>This has been discussed in earlier threadsAnon does not read or remember all threads on this board.>Specifically, in Wolf of Ash and Fire, The Emperor almost gets choked out by a giant Warboss. Horus is there to save him, though.I'm aware of the Battle of Gorro, but if you're relying on that precedent you need to explain why the AU Emperor didn't just withdraw his power from the Astronomican in order to save himself in the absence of a helpful Primarch. (I guess you could just have it that in your AU the Emperor is dumb as rocks, but that doesn't seem like a good premise.)
>>53724252No worries anon. I was more suggesting that my knowledge is not absolute, so my answers may well be shit.As you'll see actually:>Why didn't the emperor just draw energy from the AstronomiconHe can do that?Maybe the Warboss has a convenient plot device like that one episode of next gen where the energy drain gets stronger the more energy you pump out?We want the Emperor out of the way so that civil war can ensue, but it doesn't have to be Orks, it's just convenient, so if you've got an idea, by all means suggest it.
>>53724348The Emperor cannot draw energy from the Astronomican, but he could stop powering it.>We want the Emperor out of the way so that civil war can ensueTwo points here. Firstly, the Emperor didn't need to get crippled for the OU civil war to start, and the Hektor Heresy TL doesn't rely on that either.Secondly, you need to get rid of him in a conventional "stuck in the throne powering the Astronomican" way otherwise you won't so much have one civil war as a million, because nobody (other than Chaos) will be travelling the Warp safely. The further from Terra you wound the Emperor, the less plausible that becomes.>if you've got an idea, by all means suggest it.It seems like your real point of difference is having three corners to your civil war (although this has been done before). Messing with the person of the Emperor isn't really required to get to that point and probably makes the AU less accessible to newcomers.
>>53724404So what do you suggest to get a three way civil war?
>>53724447It might be easiest to go with the least diversion possible. Have the Emperor withdraw to Terra to prepare the webway, but rather than his wards being brought down by a foolish or malevolent Primarch, they're disrupted by accident or sabotage from more mundane creatures. Have the three sides blame one another for this event. Add the pre-existing animosities that you guys have set up already and you should be good to go.
Let's not change the set-up for the Heresy... AGAIN. I appreciate that this new friend is sharing is concerns, but frankly, I'm getting tired of constantly rewriting what leads to the Heresy. It makes it nearly impossible to follow where in the hell we are.
>>53724495So war in the webway from hell?I think it's plausible, but has its own problems. Either way, I think the primarchs muddling through the Ullanor campaign is going to lead towards the satisfying rivalry, so I think that's useful to work through.As for the cause of the Emperor's absence, we'll see what people say.
>>53719122>not Space Moorine
>>53724504Until you have a written summary of what happens, you're just spitballing. Having been through this process before, you can discuss things endlessly in threads and the twenty different anons involved will still have twenty different ideas of what happens.
>>53724535Honestly I think just having a walking rape-train of a warboss take him out would be the best for us, Kane is meant to be nearby but either doesn't help or actively contributes to the Emperors lose.
>The Praal ComplianceThough of little note in the history of the Great Crusade, the Praal Compliance campaign is perhaps the best known XVth legion campaign amongst the general Imperial population. While the XVth had a reputation for monster slaying, facts were few and tall tales rampant.The Praal Compliance began as a simple effort by the self aggrandizing Rogue Trader Simakkenen Kantaatele to bring an isolationist human domain into the Imperial Fold. The mission was well documented and widely broadcast, so when the true nature of the inhabitants of Praal was revealed, the horrors were broadcast across the Imperium.In response, the Emperor summoned the XVth.The Praal Cluster was indeed inhabited by humans, at least in the loosest sense of the word. During Old Night, the inhabitants had turned to bio-alchem and psy-siphon technologies to keep the warp at bay.This worked, to an extent and the worlds survived under a ectoplasmic haze. Unfortunately, the psytropic drugs and aetheric stability attracted other minds than those in the warp.Of the strange wars fought in the Praal Cluster, only echoes remain, for the witch mind and stranger things vied with intellects alien to the linear logic and timelines of humanity. The result was a dark reflection of xenos monsters and those of an all to human type etched into the bestilled warp space of the cluster itself.
>>53724838Thus it was that when Simakkenen followed the strangely slender, pale lords of Praal into their hall of meeting, he found a council chamber that bloomed into a maddened hive in a nightmarish transition, as men sprouted roots and skulls split to reveal eye stalks.I'm going to bed now, but basically, it's a biomechanical hell hole. The city seems to be more or less normal, a bit creepy looking and then everybody turns and looks at you and screams, and as they do, their mouths open too wide and the skull is visible and it begins to flow and becomes a wraith Colossus made of a thousand screaming citizens and you realize the city is just the disguise it wears to hunt.That's what the XVth fights.
>>53724622>>53724504I agree. If we don't pin down what happens leading up to the "heresy" we'll have a hell of a time trying to figure out what happens during it
>>53718973>Pic relatedTrue, the best is to not fuck a lot with the Heresy. And yes, a huge rape—train would be the best. Kane is with him? Linares would surely blame him for the Emprah's death.
>>53725706I dunno, I remember Kane mentioning that he would either like to be there and not help when Emps needed or directly be related to it. Which I think sets him up well as more of a bad guy.
>>53725706Also, great stories, Borp and Xun!
>>53725862That is right. He either watches and takes a bit too long to help the emperor or he shoots the distracted emperor a Bullet through the head. Crippling him in the process.
>>53718973Ok so here we go,We have all the Primarchs get found in the order we've got on the spreadsheet, all or most of our characters bonding happens here and it is a great time to be a Primarch ect. and we can work all this out later. It's important for fluffing out dudes but very little else. Next we have Nikea. Almost every Legion is represented. Several Primarchs attend. We need to decide who is actually going to be attending Primarch wise, who sends proxy votes and who doesn't care enough to show up. Nikea puts the ban on Psykic powers as the Emperor changes all the neutral votes to suit himself and because he is a big D bag. This is important because it sets up a few Primarchs to actually have a reason to leave or stay with the Imperium. For Example, Lambach throws a tantrum and kicks it for the fringes. At first planning to follow orders but later coming back and joining Nurgle.All This Time Yochin and Marduk have been growing power in their respective religions / lodges.
>>53726635Ullanor begins. Attending Legions with their Primarchs are All 3 warmaster legions, Brotherhood of the Abyss, Iron Guard, Titan Marchers, Pale Hounds, Gunslingers, Golden Mountains and maybe a few support units from other Legions but their Primarchs are not there. Warboss Facebeater Thundercock mashes the Emperor in a fight after Big E stupidly underestimates him. Kane is close enough that he could have saved the day but chose to instead do nothing because he thinks only the strong should rule and doesn't really like Daddy anyway. The Emperor's carcass is sent back to Terra with our stand in Imperial Fists, (any volunteers, maybe Titan Marchers, but definitely a loyalist legion?) while the 3 warmasters get into a pissing contest over who should actually be in charge. This drags the Ullanor campaign out a lot longer than it needed to go. A Primarch demands censure of a legion. We have absolutely gotta hash out what happens here as it is potentially what causes the seps (or at least a large portion of them) to band together before the ruinstorm. If needed we can have Je'she censuring Lambach because Emil picks up that Lambach has done a bad thing. Linares and Raj go to put him in the naughty corner. But we can always choose someone else. Like I said I think we need to figure this out ASAP.
>>53726649Seps openly declare Imperials are full of it (example: “Hey you used Emils Psyker powers to get Lambach in trouble that’s some bullshit and totally against Daddys wishes) and demand they leave Terra as they are not the true Imperium. This leads to a bit of a siege. The Imperials win mostly due to numbers as the Chaos forces haven't shown their true colours yet. So they have 1 or 2 Legions stationed close enough by to help the Imperials. After this the Seps get cut off in the chaos born ruinstorm and the chaos warmaster shows his hand. It leads to a 2nd siege of Terra against an already weakened Imperial defense. Kane kills Raj, Lambach and Linares put aside their differences, team up to take on Daemon Prince Kane. The Chaos forces start fighting against each other because Chaos which gives the Loyalists the chance they need to get on top. Marduk is potentially also slain here, I'm not certain?Give it a few hundred years and the ruinstorm lets up enough that the seps find the Imperials are all Religious nutjobs now while they still feel they represent the "real imperial truth" and chaos is just being dicks like always? How does everyone feel about that? I just think we need to stop pussy footing around and lock down what actually happens so we can start writing for it. Please let me know what you guys think is best?
I think in the old thread was a rather good summary of the events. Think it came from emil. It differs in some Points which were more to my liking. For example nikea didn't take place to sanction psykers AS it makes LEss sense because we have no magnus-tier psyker primarch and the whole nikea was to give magnus a headache.
Im OK with all that. Linares would go to Nikea in person, as he thinks that it's important to keep control of psykers, but not yo ban them, and will try to convince the others.
I agree with you post Borp.The only thing we need to do is weave the other legions into it. It's difficult, considering some anons are more active than others, but legions like the Soaring Host, Queestor's Wardens, Iron Guard, Ogre Legion etc don't seem to be involved in many important events.On the whole this is pretty much how I imagined things playing out.
>>53726780Nikea wasn't about banning just Magnus though. He just felt it the most because his legion was based around it entirely. This is true for at least the Chosen of Hecate and a few others in our universe. The original idea was to have it about banning religion but that is pretty much already what the imperial truth is about so it didn't make too much sense in that regard.
>>53726916Yeah I agree with putting more Legions in on it, I've included the ones I mentioned because they are the ones I have worked more closely with so it was a bit easier for me to use them for examples. But I totally agree with you.
>>53726649I think we should go with the previous idea of both Pacha and Lambach using psyker powers during Ullanor after Big E is sent back home. Isehko is sent to give a slap on the wrist to Pacha but shit goes wrong and it becomes a bloodbath, to which in retaliation the loyalists go hard on Lambach, which kicks off the tension.
>>53727006That's fine, we can use that as the censure bit if everyone is happy with it. I'm basically just wanting to get a majority vote on exactly how the outline plays out and from there we don't touch it anymore. It is left unchanged and we just expand on it. That is what we need more than anything else I think.
>>53726916During the ruinstorm the Forge Lords are running around sowing dissent in the east to confuse the seps even more, also probably because Marduk doesn't want Mot around.
>>53727035It has my vote.
>>53719828Ah, you flatter me far too much, lol.>>53723916>>53723976I assume there's no map of the Ullanor Crusade anywhere? That might be useful for a sense of scale. >>53724061The Beast. Keeps things simple and plausible. >>53724252>>53724348Plot Device: The WAAAAAAGH, and a properly Kunningly Brutal Ork. As the Emperor begins to regather his power, the Beast and his entire Ork Army yell the Emperor's ass into the ground. Or hell, they could yell his mind out of his body and all the way back into the Astronomicon if you want to get really wild and crazy. >>53724504This. >>53726635Emil would almost certainly attend Nikea in person, it's too critical to his Legion's interests not to. >>53726649I think Emil and 95% of the Steel Souls won't be at Ullanor now that I think of it. If the Emperor needs to actually go down, having the next best psyker also present might make that too implausible. Emil sensing shit works for me if that's what you all like. I'd just request a time and place be nailed down so I can work that into my timeline. >>53726661Why would the *Seps* declare bullshit if Emil's also a Sep and he's the one who caught Lambach in the act? >hundreds of years of RuinstormI don't think that's actually necessary. With at least one Primarch actively pushing religion, and an obvious "end of the world" for the citizens to see, religion will spread MUCHO fast. >>53727006Sure. Easy split-exacerbator is if the Loyalist Warmaster shits on Lambach but practically turns a blind eye to Pacha. Speaking as a sibling, NOTHING drives a wedge harder than unequal treatment for similar transgressions. I'd lean on that angle very hard, personally. You don't even have to have shit go wrong with Pacha if you don't want to, just let Lambach see and then go nuclear.
>>53728297We'd need something to prevent the other sides from immediately retaliating, though. Or to stop Pacha himself from immediately going in the defense of Lambach.
>>53728325In regards to the Ruinstorm you mean?
>>53728297>Unequal treatmentI have a younger sibling, and yes, being treated different is reason enough to go nuclear
>>53728391In regards of the censuring, I was speaking.
I like the timeline you've come up with, Borp, but when does our Istvaan-esque event happen? It'd be interesting for it to happen between the two seiges; Death's Heads start heading east in pursuit of the Seps, backed by some soon-to-be Traitors. They land on a world in force to get rid of a heavy Sep Garrison, and end up getting shot in the back
>>53727090I feel like the seps should have something bigger to deal with than just Mot sowing discord about. Maybe there's Chaos worshipping Xenos attacking the seps in addition to Mot
>>53730011>Maybe there's Chaos worshipping Xenos attacking the seps in addition to MotDid somebody say CHAOS-WORSHIPPING XENOS?
>>53730041I had been thinking about them. I suppose the question is "would Mot play nice with them/would they play nice with Mot?"
>>53730131Unless he's willing to get fucked in the ass by a Slaaneshi elephant seal or infected with like six diseases, his best bet is either stroking an overtyrant's ego hard than a whale dick or buying mercenaries. And gorgomongers overcharge when it comes to outsiders.
>>53730286Then again, the gorgomongers are always up for a black crusade if it involves spiting lesser races, so it'll take zero convincing really.I also got like four other races in the works.
>>53730371Sweet. will these races also be based on marine mammals, or is it just marine life in general?
>>53726649Maybe the Sep warmaster tries to say they should censure Yochin but the loyalist warmaster decides that without the Emperor they can't say one way or the other if what they're doing is out of line and they need every legion they have at this point without him. It sets up the divide between loyalist religious and Separatist atheistic. It could also serve as a rallying point for the loyalist religious groups, like the Martyring of Yochin. >>53726661Well, if Kane's gonna die at Terra I don't see much reason for Marduk to die. Especially if he's going to be more of the "final boss" of the siege, so to speak.
>>53733582Only the gorgomongers, and maybe the nurglite one once I decide what that's based on. The Khornate one is lizardmen, the Slaaneshi one is drug addicts, the Tzeentchian one is giant golden deva statues with lotsa hands, and the Nurglite one I haven't decided yet.
>>53729249Yeah we can add an istvaan thing in there. I'm just trying to figure out the biggest basics that we have sorted and nail them down. I'm just wondering if we need an istvaan though seeing as terra gets sieged twice? Rather than having legions take hige casualties at Istvaan perhaps they can just be maimed badly at 1st siege? Up to you guys if we add one though.
>>53728297I was just using Emil as an example we cause I know he's powerful enough to sense sich a huge distubance in the warp. Doesn't have to be him. Je'she could get his info from some other source.Also it doesn't have to be 100s of years ruinstorm. I'm just unsure exactly how long to use so if Ibsay 100s of years we can shorten it from there. :p
>>53733973Terra actually acts as our Istvaan, as it's where the Heretics reveal their changed allegiances.
Something I see is that the Loyalists become religious zealots of thr Imperial religion, but Linares has been with the Emperor too much, he sees religion as some way of impediment, but he is thought to be a little religious and to allow religions to exist, but he is not a zealot. The Imperial religion isn't going to be his thing, and he may even see it as a bad thing, as Father fought against it. But he is not changing his faction.
>>53734179Maybe he dies then.
>>53734179Post Heresy, I don't think Linares cares much about the matters of the Imperium anymore. I imagine that the Blades are out Crusading pretty much all the time after the Siege of Terra.
>>53734026Perfect.>>53734021Like I said, I'm okay with Emil catching on, I was just confused by your wording. I think you got Seps and Loyals backwards in terms of cause and effect or something.
>>53734179I figure Linares takes off into the warp after Kane. Never to be seen again. Or atleast not for 10k years. The Blades, under his orders stick with the imperium because he told them too. Same as the Titan Marchers. Regardless of how they see religious behavior thier Primarchs last standing order was to defend the throne.
>>53734240Yeah it's possible I worded it badly. Or got factions mixed up. My bad. Basically with the Emperor out of the way Je'she gets word from a powerful psyker that Lambach has done something wrong. It could be Malcs or a choir of astropaths or something. Then this gives cause for the seps to get upset that Je'she used a psyker but is planning to punish a psyker? The real point to my post earlier is that if we have the basics nailed down we can work on them in dot point form. Hash out exactly what happens with every one on every event then move to the next 1.
>>53734211Try to kill him, I dare you!>>53734236Yes, surely.>>53734345That's pretty much what happens
So basically I was hoping everyone could fill out something along these lines and we could work from there. Then even if Anons go missing for several days we can fill in the blanks. >What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Lambach did his best to form close bonds with as many brothers as he could, and actively recruited psykers from any planets he visited because it was his belief that the gifted were the future of the human race, something he believed the Emperor agreed with. >Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Lambach was definitely there. He argued tirelessly in the favor of Psykers in the legions and felt outraged and betrayed when the Emperor ruled against them. This set in motion Lambach heading to the fringes of known space. >What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:Lambach is absent because he is reforging his Legion and heading away from the central Imperium. >How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:Lambach is too far away and for a long time the news does not reach him, by the time it does he already resents the Emperor for what has happened to his Legion. >How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:Well clearly Lambach is none too happy, he does not realise that Pacha had been censured but would have lent aid if he could. Lambach is furious that his brothers follow the blind words of their foolish father and knowing his brothers are coming for him sets a trap on his home world in case they choose not to side with him against the word of the Emperor. This goes badly for everyone involved and Lambach throws in his lot with Nurgle.
>>53735739> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Lambach is busy licking his wounds at this point and realising exactly how badly he has screwed up by joining Nurgle. His sons never die, it's true but their fate could easily be considered worse. > How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Lambach Joins with Marduk in this fight, he still loves his brothers and hopes they can be swayed to seeing his point of view (perhaps he desperately hopes 1 of them can help him escape the clutches of Nurgle), his only gripe is with the Emperor who he believes is deliberately misleading his brothers. After witnessing Raj's death at the hands of Kane Lambach helps Linares to bring Kane down, this maybe the catalyst for the Chaos assault falling apart as the chaos forces turn on each other. >What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:Lambach tells Linares that because of the path he has taken he cannot return to the Imperial fold even though it is what he wishes before leaving (maybe with Rajs body? will have to talk to Raj) after the siege the Chosen of Hecate realise exactly how horrible the curse their father has laid upon them is and the Legion breaks up some refusing to follow Lambachs orders. While others remain loyal to their father in the hopes that he can one day lift the curse.
>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Rokuten immediately sets out trying to establish an edge over his brothers, reforging his legion as a host of loyal warriors willing to die for him and having them spread a culture of submission wherever they pass. He also tries to get a feel for the>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:I forgot what happened here. Are we still doing the psyker thing or was it something else?>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:The Ogre Legion was present under the Equerry Oroshi, but Rokuten was preoccupied with assisting the organization of worlds the Imperium had thus far conquered. >How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:Scheming intensifies. What an opportunity to move up a level!>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:He hoped it would add to their animosity towards the Imperium, until the fucking Brother War happened.> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Rokuten desired power above all else, coveting the Emperor's authority over all mankind. He joined the Separatists intending to eventually emerge from the war with his own realm, if not the entire Imperium.> How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Seeing both a failure to take the throne and an opening to withdraw before things got too hectic, Rokuten temporarily regrouped on O-Kan before departing for the Eastern Fringe with as much materiel he could muster on the way.>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:After establishing the Crimson Sphere in Ultima Segmentum, Rokuten's scheming continues, culminating in an attempted assassination of Aristide that ultimately resulted in his death.
Also, like four of you have only a page of details on your linked docs. Where are you posting the rest?
>>53736291Who are you referring to?
>>53736287>Rokuten immediately sets out trying to establish an edge over his brothers, reforging his legion as a host of loyal warriors willing to die for him and having them spread a culture of submission wherever they pass. He also tries to get a feel for theGet a feel for the what? I must know?>I forgot what happened here. Are we still doing the psyker thing or was it something else?Yes, as far as I am aware we are leaving it be about psykers and just moving the time it happened.
>>53736321The Emperor's Dragoons it just doesn't come off my tongue right have a link in the spreadsheet that leads to a bare-bones concept of the legion, Iron Guard only has three paragraphs and then some relations with other primarchs (not even all of them), and there is no third or fourth because I pulled a number out of my ass.>>53736351>Get a feel for the what? I must know?The OP's dick.His brothers, rating them on a scale of 1 to 10 in a "can I bring them to my side" version of Hot or Not.>Yes, as far as I am aware we are leaving it be about psykers and just moving the time it happened.Oh okay.
The Ogre Legion have had enough of your defenses. They made a new friend.
>>53726649>>53726661Sounds like fun shit.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusadeMot Hadad immediately gets to work waging wars of purgation against the alien and those humans who have lost their way. He only ever gets to know his brothers when he's assigned to a joint campaign with them. >Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermathMot didn't give a single shit about the result of Nikaea, he never made a whole lot of use out of psykers, and if he ever needed to use them he'd ignore the edict.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury
>>53733606Kane is a daemon prince after killing Raj, so only gets banished to the warp. Which is why Linares goes running off to the warp after him, to try and find a way to end him once and for all.
>>53737185Whoops, accidentally hit enter.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injuryOutwardly Mot expresses his condolences and grief, but he also begins consolidating his power on the worlds that he has conquered, clandestinely ousting governors and other officials that are less than loyal to him.>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then LambachThe crusade continues as planned. He has not time for the internecine politics of his brothers.>How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing soThis threatens to split the Imperium in two. Mot decides that the best thing he can do is try to grab as much power as he can from the ashes.>How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing soThese "chaos gods" were an unforeseen factor, but they promise power. This requires study...>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of TerraMot and his sons fight the Titan Marchers all the way to the Maelstrom and disappear within. Nothing is heard of them for centuries.
>>53737318>Nothing is heard of them for centuries.Then, they appear...
>>53728325>>53728890Just have Pacha conveniently deployed on the other side of the galaxy.By the time Pacha finds out, it's too late.>>53728297Do we want to just bump up The Beast to Ullanor? Raises the stakes nicely and makes them beating the Emperor decently plausible.>Map of Ullanor CrusadeNot that I know of. If we're turning it into The Beast, though, I think it lets us be dynamic about it.>>53730131Perhaps Mot or one of the other Chaos Primarchs is about to exterminate these guys when they get the good news about Chaos and proceed to make a deal with their new 'brothers'.>>53733606>Attempted Censure of YochinI like it.>>53735739That'll work nicely.>Gyahdred during the crusadeHe does his own thing, exterminating xenos and not afraiding of anything. He also makes some cool tanks like the Sicaran. Has a few close friends and is generally introverted.>NikeaI'm thinking he missed this one. He'd temporarily disbanded his own librarius and sent all his psykers to Prospero following a major disaster. At the same time, this did cause him to become close to Lambach. With his emissary being a mere Astartes in a room full of primarchs, Gyahdred's nuanced message of "some legions understand this shit better than others, let the experts figure this one out" is lost in the shouting and just go with the fact that Gyahdred shut his Librarius down and banished them.As things get crazier, Gyahdred swings by Prospero to grab his dudes.(He's also going to detain/convince some Sistes of Silence that had long worked with his legion to stick around.)>Beginning of UllanorWarps in with his fleet. Time to stomp some Orks!>Emperor's InjuryHe's horrified. That's Gyahdred's hero they fucked with. Also humanity's best chance for stability. Also the guy who kept all the secrets. Now that he's gone, there's so many unknown unknowns they have to worry about. <Obsessive Data Gathering Intensifies>
>>53738577>Response to Censure of Pacha and LambachThis is madness!With the psyker in chief gone, we need these experts!I'm thinking he is horrified with Pacha's censure, tries to defend Lambach, but gets there too late or something, and then sets up defenses for Emil.>Separatist movementI AM THE SEPARATIST MOVEMENT. Also, it isn't a separatist movement. It's a governmental reform movement. It's really more of a federal system still loyal to Terra. I have a whole bunch of literature on it, if you'd like to read it. Really, it's unfortunate that everyone who likes the idea is on one side of this power struggle, since it'll work just fine no matter where you are... just saying guys. Guys?>Chaos>M31>Talking to the Brotherhood of the Abyss about Gods.>PffffttThey're crazy. I'd never taken the ideas of Maya as anything more than cognitive metaphor, but it seems as though my brothers have sought out the literal instantiations of Maya, like they're looking for the surest way to be caught in the gears of Samsara.Nan wu a mi tuo fo.Honestly, Gyahdred just can't quite wrap his head around it. It's just so stupid.>After the last siege of TerraYou mean the second siege of Terra, right?Eventually he gets critically injured and put into a massive cogitator system. I'll have to dig up the post, but the idea is that over time, he decides that things are too fucked and that he need to pull a Hari Seldon. He'll collapse both Empires if he needs to.Basically so long as both sides are playing to win, victory is more or less impossible. Instead, he shifts his strategy to not losing, ie the extinction of humanity and the victory of chaos. This opens up a number of new strategies.
>>53724838Thus it was that when Simakkenen followed the strangely slender, pale lords of Praal into their hall of meeting, he found a council chamber that bloomed into a maddened hive in a nightmarish transition, as men sprouted roots and skulls split to reveal eye stalks. Strange things of darkness swarmed from crumbling bodies and fell upon Simakkenen's group.The resulting massacre was broadcast live across the Imperium.Thus it was that a campaign of horrors usually hidden from the public was a matter of public knowledge from its inception.And so the legion arrived in system with an increased remembrancer contingent, many of whom had had experience with more public legions. While this lead to no small amount of resentment for Gyahdred's cold demeanor and the veil of secrecy over certain parts of the campaign, it did save the sanity of many who were expecting nothing more than a campaign against the Orks.The life of the remembrancer corps during this period is recorded in and best known through a fictionalized account called "The Night Watch". (Currently on the Index Biblia Prohibitotum Imperialis Sanctorum, while widely read throughout the East to this day)The legion translated in system to find things deceptively calm. Auspexes detected no energy spikes indicative of weapons batteries or planetary shields. Only as the fleet came closer to the planet did they recieve messages requesting a chance to talk and explain things.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusadePacha immediately gets to work, but making sure that any worlds he brings into the fold have any tyrants or rulers that are harsh on their people removed and better ones put in place, as well as gathering many samples of the lifeforms in each planet. He also does his best to forge good relationships with his brothers.>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Pacha was most certainly there, and alongside Quteq, the two strongly argued in favor of Psykers. In the aftermath, he tried but failed to stop Lambach from running off, and moved his Mountain Warlocks to support roles as to not force them to fight with their best specialty impossible.>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:He is there in the heat of the fight, right in the front lines.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:Pacha gets angered for once, and he immediately commands his Golden Mountains to go all out, the Mountain Warlocks deployed in. He seems to go further with his psychic powers, his steps outright making the earth under the orks quake with great fury.>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:Pacha knows it was something that spiraled out of control, but his bond with Isehko has been inevitably damaged. Although he knows that the harsh censure of Lambach was an emotional reaction, it still was brother willingly murdering brother out of sheer rage. Although he is still closest to them, the pure brotherly affection grows noticeably colder.> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Despite the fact that Pacha knows they had their best intentions at heart, the Separatists are still abandoning the Imperium and using force of arms against it. It's still treason, and it hurts Pacha to know that he'll have to fight his brothers, particularly in the case of Emil.
>>53740746> How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Pacha is outright enraged. While can understand the motivations behind the Separatists, Chaos immediately confirms many of his hunches about certain brothers and feelings that something was clearly wrong. He's saddened at the fact that Lambach has thrown in his lot with them, and enraged about what was done to Ashur by his marines.>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:After a moment of heartfelt emotion at the aftermath of the siege, he immediately sets to work. He and his Golden Mountains actively preach the Imperial Truth in an attempt to stop Yochin's religious madness, although Pacha's fight with one of the Daemon Primarch ends with Pacha being taken out of comission to banish his brother, as psychically linking himself to the planet in order to bring the rage of the earth to gain the upper hand (and to cleanse the planet from the mark of Chaos) ends up diffusing his consciousness amongst the planet, effectively putting him to sleep. (This would effectively raise Pacha's powerlevel if/when he comes back for an End Times, although then perhaps he could just fashion himself an avatar of sorts to act in his stead, rather than becoming the Living Saint equivalent of a Daemon Planet.)
Cool work with the List of questions guys, thanks for answering them. I'll collect them all and add them to the documents tab so everyone can see what everyone else is doing. I'll also put the timeline I wrote in there aswell if everyone is happy with that?Really hoping to get some of the less active guys to fill it out so we can have something to work with. We especially need more on Napoleon if we are going to make him Warmaster otherwise I think we have to put Rotuken back?
I will do it as soon as I get the PC
>>53740939Napoleon is still around, we'll most likely get more from him soon. From what we do know, Frederick is a good fit for Warmaster. I think that for a lot of people it's difficult to contribute a lot right now, considering the amount of exams they have. Guess we'll have to poke people when we see them.I'm far more worried about Zelbezis and Yochin. They NEED to show up soon.
>>53741431Yeah it's all good. That's why I put the questionaire prompt up. So we atleast have the bare bones of the busy people so we can start getting some work done.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Raj joins the Crusade relatively early. He sets up his legion in such a way that they work closely with the Adeptus Titanicus and makes sure they act as a support legion, which means they spend the rest of the Crusade backing up other legions. The fact that the Marchers are exposed and work alongside many legions, combined with Raj's friendly personality, lead to them building positive relatioships with pretty much all legions.>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Raj does not personally attend the Council of Nikaea. He is close to Lambach, and empathizes with his struggle, but he has seen enough Psykers during the Crusade to understand their danger. He doesn't have a strong opinion either way though, so he decides not to attend in order to not step on any toes.>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:Once it becomes clear how much of a threat Ullanor is, the Titan Marchers are one of the first legions to be called in. Raj fights on Ullanor, revealing the Apocalyptican for the first time.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:Raj is deeply shocked by the Emperor's injury. He offers to take him to Terra. Because he's gone, he's not there to mediate when discussions break out between the new Warmasters.>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:Raj doesn't like the way Pacha was handled, but he sees the necessity of enforcing the Edict. When he is sent to censure Lambach, he plans on handling it differently. That doesn't go well.>How does your Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Raj is a man of the people, so has no issues with transitioning power to regular humans, so he does not want to extend the war any longer than he needs to. He's also incredibly mad at the Seperatists for deciding to go to war for their own selfish reasons.
>>53735765>How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:With what he's seen during his attempt at reigning in Lamach, he has nothing but contempt and disgust for the forces of Chaos. He refuses to even consider joining the rebellion at any point, which is most likely why Marduk never even bothered to ask.>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:Raj dies, assassinated by Kane during the defense of the Eternity Gate. Because of his death, Linares and Lambach fight off Kane together, which eventually leads to several loyalists beating Marduk. Lambach takes Raj's body into the warp. The Titan Marchers obey Raj's final orders and stay loyal to the Imperium, even after is becomes a fundamentalist superstate. They accept the Codex Astartes, with the chapters tying themselves to a singular Titan Legion.
>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Linares inmediately gets to work: he changes the IVth acording to his likes and traditions, and quickly starts waging war in the Crusade, while meeting his brothers and spending time with Father. >Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Yes, he did. Linares would be upset with the result, and probably won't comply with the Edict at all.>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:Linares wasn't at Ullanor. He sent a small detachment of Silver Blades to fight there, but was busy campaigning against some foul xenos elsewhere.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury: MFW the best gunfighter not shooting in time [/sopiler]Although he sees the injury mainly as the Emperor's fault, a foe shall not be understimated, he blames Kane for his lack of reflexes at the time of heping Father, and is mad about it, having doubts about if Kane was really trying to help, or shot Father himself.>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:As two of his dearest brothers are being censured, Linares doesn't feel comfortable at all, and sees the use of psychic powers for good as a great thing, so he doesn't agrees with the Warmasters.> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:As every treachery, it's seen by Linares as one of the worst things that a man can do. He may understand some of their points, but wont join them nor give them rest. The war is declared.> How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Another treason, same answer. This time, Linares doesn't even understand the point of joining those "Dark Gods". Another war to wage, this time against an enemy with supernatural powers. Fine, let's do it.
>>53741788I fucked up too hard there, sorry. Continue:>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:Linares goes full rage, and pursues Kane right into the warp. He may even reach his homeworld/realm and fight him there. (Eventually killing the Daemon Primarch?) This takes him at least 5k years in the Materium, could be easily a few months at the Empireum.
Ok, I've added everyone who has filled in the questionnaire to the document so far. And shared the link to the Documents tab on the spreadsheet.It should be fully editable in case anyone wants to change bits.Raj, any chance you can contact some of the less active guys and ask them to try fill it out, just so we can have a bare bones of their characters?Also I'm really sorry if I'm overdoing it today and stepping on any toes, I'm just trying to get us all on track and if we have a proper idea of what every character is doing I feel it will be easier for us to write.
>>53741431Someone popped up with the Iron Guard in this or last thread. Yochin I've not spotted.Worst case, we write them communally.Got some ideas for Yochin.Related tangentially, I think the major points that Gyahdred is pushing are:>smaller administrative units, ie a federal system>removal of inept aristocrats>uniform administrative policies and legal code>population redistribution to curb overpopulation on hive worldsGyahdred believes that the purges and the grimdark are results of systemic inefficiency in the administrative system of the Imperium. He wants to improve this and make things generally more efficient. This, he believes, will raise everyone's standard of life. A side effect of this is that he favors augmented humans and astartes in positions of authority because they are smarter and live longer. A lot of people sieze on the "tear down the tyrants" aspect of this and run with it. Similarly, people see his emphasis on having the most capable lead as being opposed to the common citizenry of the Imperium. Gyahdred has a role for them in mind, too, but people tend not to read that far.He's a primarch, so he's a good writer, but it's dense. It makes Hegel look concise.It's brilliant, primarch tier work, but he never intended it to be the ideology of a militant political movement and it ends up stretched by many of the other Eastern Legions. It also gets misrepresented by the West. Jerks.I'm thinking Malcador and Aristide are its biggest fans, one more reason Gyahdred is naturally inclined to support Aristide in the first place.I'm thinking that during the early phases of the heresy, Gyahdred is over in the corner yelling at everyone to stop fighting. And defending Emil. We need to protect our psykers, damn it. I'm thinking he tries to reach out to a number of other primarchs, including Einchurt. This all goes poorly and means that he backs Aristide's bid for the throne with no reservations.
>>53742231You're not stepping on any toes man, I'm actually glad someone else is as sick of the pussyfooting as me.I'll try to get into contact with the guys, though that still does not solve the Zelbezis/Yochin problem.
>>53742231No, I think this is all really useful. Thank you.>>53742240I'm thinking once the war really gets going, Gyahdred goes all out and tries to Exterminatus Yochin's cathedral/fortress worlds. Probably gets some of them but not all of them before being forced to withdraw and redeploy. Ideally we can build up some animosity between the two before this, during the crusade and during the Ullanor campaigns.I'd like for the last action of the XVth before the ruinstorm to be to come across Linares or someone fighting chaos, divert, and take their place on the front line, telling them to make speed for Terra. Gyahdred defeats the chaos force and heads East and then the ruinstorm is raised and all that, but I think it would be neat for there to be that brotherhood, or at least the idea that humanity comes first.
>>53742287I got you. If you have to fight chaos, tell me>>53742231Don't worry, you are doing it right
Sorry guys, posting regularly while being homeless is a pain. On the plus side, I built a lifesize Omnissian axe.>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Zelbezis, being found pretty late after the beginning of the Crusade, is faced with a legion that already has an identity, one of glory-seekers with strong culture of individual heroism. Zelbezis slaps the Warmongers with an iron hand by imposing a rigid command structure, and in his first crusading years reinstaurates the Opsequarion.>Did your Primarch attend Nikaea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Zelbezis is absent from the council, and only fringe elements of the Iron Guard attend for politeness' sake, as the legion does not make use of Psykers. While not necessarily being actively anti-psykers, Zelbezis understands that forbidding them may be a lesser evil, if Emil's tech cannot be mass-replicated.>What does your primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:The Iron Guard is mainly deployed in smaller detachments on Ork logistical structures, scouring their vehicle storages and war machines manufactoria. The biggest division takes the frontline with Zelbezis at its head. It is the first time the Unquestionable Authority is put in use, and the heavy bolter is so successful that it becomes the Primarch's favoured weapon for the rest of the subsequent wars.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperor's injury:Confusion, and bad memories. How could one fail to save the life of their commanding officers while being so close? Deliberately, of course. There he has confirmation of Kane being an undesirable element in the brotherhood. This sets him on a course of paranoid questioning of the true loyalties of his brothers, their legions, and the Emperor himself.
>>53743404Zelb man jump in the discord channel or let 1 of us know your discord details so we can add you, and track you down in future haha
>>53741803Nice AU you are building here.One thing though: No primarch is able to beat a daemon primarch in the warp. Not real space, I am talking from the warp. The Primarch would have unlimited powers. Non is able to accomplish such a fear, even Kaldor Draigo would have problems fighting a Daemon Primarch on his own turf. Maybe you should rethink that. And even if this primarch is in full rage mode, he would be easy prey for khorne himself who would have then 2 daemon primarchs of khorne.Just my 2 cents. Go on.
>>53743404Yeah, it's fine man, as long as we know you're around. If you could pop into the Discord, that'd be fantastic. It'd give us a far more reliable way of contacting you.
>>53743404>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and Lambach:A decree is a decree, and one he didn't have strong opinions against. Laws exist to be enforced one way or the other. But there are more important Primarchs to censure: Kane is culprit of High Treason, for fuck's sake!>Why does your Primarch join the Supremacist movement:Without an Emperor to lead the Imperium, the Council of Terra is rendered obsolete, for only He could make them worth anything. Now that even the Emperor has fallen, it goes without saying that his Successors must take their birthright, a thing Je'She's moral prevents, but which Frederick understands perfectly. Without posthumans at its head, Humanity will crumble again in a second Old Night.>How does your primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne:Disappointment. They replaced the Emperor with something more pernicious. They fell to the easy path of just bowing to more powerful forces. They are slave to Xeno-lords from the Immaterium. If they had put trust in their brothers instead, perhaps Terra would be in Supermacist hands.>What happens to your Primarch/Legion after the last siege of Terra:After Frederick and Gyahdred's falls, Zelbezis holds the reigns of the Supremacy, which he rules the only way he knows: through blood and iron. He has become jaded after centuries of war, and is so disconnected from humanity that plots against him grow in number. At some point, even his legion can't bear it and he is assassinated by a taskforce of Iron Guard veterans.
>>53743614Thanks dude, I think that this thread has come a long way to bringing the timeline together.But yeah I doubt Linares could take Kane solo in the warp. Maybe Lambach leaves him a parting gift or some other way of taking him on. I dunno, that is for Kane and Linares writers to sort out.
>>53743614>>53743822Okay, will work on it...maybe catch him while retreating. Because, yes, the warp is pretty much his turf...
>>53744545>>53743822The part where they beat him is on Terra isn't it? And then sure, Linares can't beat him in the Eye if he pursues him there, but 1) does Linares know that and 2) why does the decision of a grief-stricken Primarch whose entire world has been turned upside down in the past few years need to make sense?
>>53744587Because Linares is impulsive, not a fool. He knows that, so he is not going after him right to the EoT. He will try to attack him while in real space.
>>53742287On that tangent, it might be worth it to have a few incidents to create friction between legions during the crusade.I think it would be useful to have a bad experience with Yochin so that Yochin hates Gyahdred as much as he does.Perhaps a campaign where the two of them are stuck together and have wildly different priorities. A lot of it will depend on how Yochin is written, but I'm thinking Gyahdred ends up enduring it by trying to piss Yochin off. Maybe something to do with Gyahdred using a religious rabble group as cannon fodder and upon seeing Yochin's anger, offers to replace them with servitors-- they'll think about the same amount and be better at absorbing damage.
>>53740814I like the idea of Pacha becoming one with the force, so to speak, but I'm not sure how it would work in practical terms, particularly on Terra. I could see it on an abandoned Maiden World or something where he basically gets drawn into the infinity circuit and becomes the world spirit, but where could his spirit go on Terra?>>53734345Which may mean that many Western Astartes are similar to their OU brethren in terms of how they see the Emperor. Likely they're the minority, though.>>53734026How does this work? I feel like I missed something.>insomnia thought posting
>>53746544Aye, I didn't intend for it to be on Terra, I meant it to happen after Terra, defending another world.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Emil worked tirelessly in the shadows to build the Imperium's infrastructure wherever possible, motivated by his planet's historical experiences during Old Night. Above all else, Emil feared another fragmentation event, for Humanity surely would not survive a second time. He was especially instrumental in reinforcing interplanetary communications lines and the "Soul Wires" as they became known, still run the length and breadth of the Galaxy, deeply fortified and enormously powerful astropathic chambers bunkered to withstand nearly any assault. Notably, Emil never severed the links between Terra and the Separatists, though they are practically never used post-Heresy.Equally significant is the "Steel Road", a loosely linked chain of Forge Worlds stretching from the Galaxy's center all the way to the Ghoul Stars. These would become very important post-Nikea, when Emil began to indirectly circumvent the Emperor's decree by currying favor with Mars.>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Emil attended Nikea, and argued strongly in favor of developing humanity's psychic potential. Many of the gathered Primarchs expected a more fiery argument before the council, yet they were surprised by how circumspect Emil was in his discourse. Several of the crowd would later remark that Emil almost seemed as if he was having two different conversations at the same time, one with the audience and one with the Emperor. It remains unclear what if any effect Emil's speech had. When he heard the verdict, Emil's usual calm facade broke for just a moment. He seemed at war with himself, alternately furious and relieved. Historical records also show that Emil *strongly* favored the 3rd option, forming Librariums in each Legion but banning "sorcery" outright. After the Council concluded, Emil visited Mars for almost a year.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:Emil isn't there. Collecting his thoughts post-Nikea, he busied himself pushing outwards along the Galaxy's Centaurus Arm, possibly at the behest of Mars for reasons unknown. By the time of Ullanor, he is somewhere in the Galactic Fringe. >How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:He knows immediately. If Emil had any opinion or reaction to the event, he kept it carefully hidden from everyone, including his own Legion. All he said was "A light has gone out, that shall not be lit again".>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:Emil defended both psykers at Nikea, and still did. Unfortunately he could not bring himself to wade back into the fray once more, and was often accused of dropping the ball when it *really* counted. After all, who better than he to open the lines of communication? Who better than he could have kept calm and sorted out what went wrong? Some would remark that perhaps Emil sensed at least an echo of what was about to transpire, but turned away for reasons unknown. >>53735765>How does your Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Emil himself was never totally sure why he joined the Separatists. He had orchestrated his Legion such that they could have retreated into obscurity. They might even have been able to leave the Galaxy altogether. Everything was in readiness, he had but to give the word and cold-bloodedly abandon the Galaxy to its fate. Chaos had at last struck, the Galaxy was ripped in half by a colossal Warp Storm, and all that awaited Emil was endless fratricide. Yet he halted at the precipice, and turned back. The Steel Souls did not leave. No one ever really knew why. Emil fought alongside the Separatists, but clearly had several alternate agendas of his own.
>>53735765>How does your Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Total annihilation. Any and all entities even remotely tainted by Chaos are obliterated with all possible force. Planetary bombardment, virus bombs and Exterminatus are used as frequently and liberally as possible. Civilians (and even sometimes allied forces) are given no concern or quarter whatsoever if they get in the Steel Souls' way of destroying Chaos forces. Emil may not always be the Imperium's enemy, he may not always be perfectly in sync with the Separatists, but he is 100% opposed to Chaos in any form, and does absolutely anything he can to undermine and counter their efforts. Were it not for the fact that hatred feeds Khorne, Emil would hate Chaos with the fury of a billion suns. Instead he coils around them with the callous iciness of a machine, strangling the warriors of Chaos bit by bit. >What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:Emil is the very last of the Separatists to leave, nearly breaking himself and his Legion to splinters trying to take the Palace. Scholars disagree why this was so. Some believe Emil merely wanted to loot the Emperor's most priceless relics to strengthen himself. Others believe Emil thought he could personally resurrect the Emperor. Still others hold that Emil sought merely to claim his father's corpse and protect it from desecration. Emil himself never said why. It is entirely possible he himself didn't know.
>>53746544>>53746750>Eldar fucking kill and steal a Primarch, hiding him away in a Craftworld to do who knows whatLegion becomes known for hating Eldar like no one else, and endlessly chasing Craftworlds to try and find the one containing their Primarch's spirit. They hold the body in stasis, awaiting the day they can reunite Pacha with his body. That might be a really cool twist on the "Jaghatai and Leman Russ are lost in the Warp" trope maybe.
>>53747071I like the red phone idea. I think that's going to be really neat to have as this develops.>Post CensureSo how would Emil respond to Gyahdred popping up after the censures of the two other psyker primarchs to protect him with the reasoning that the psyker knowledge had to be preserved?Though I suspect the two may be closer, or at least more inclined to cooperation due to shared vision and tendencies.I'd imagine that if Gyahdred ends up in a data loom trying to fix things, Emil will play a major role in them.
>>53747386Well, it feels like as time goes on, I'm writing Emil more and more like the Precentor of Comstar in some ways, lol. Preserving knowledge would certainly be something Emil would assist with. Also seems like there's going to be an interesting moment when the two ultimately part ways or something. Gyahdred (if I recall your descriptions correctly) essentially abandons his body for pure machinery, whereas Emil strongly believes only blending machinery and organics is the way forward.
>>53747327Wait, you're misreading what happened. In bulletpoints.>In a yet-to-be-determined-world (Eventually renamed Apu in honor of Pacha), Pacha and his Marines fight a CSM incursion with a Daemon Primarch in tow>Pacha goes to 1v1 the Daemon Primarch, but is finding himself at a disadvantage, and the taint of Chaos is spreading around the planet's population due to the daemons being summoned>Pacha figures out he could fuse with the world's core, unknowing that there's an Infinity Circuit that is what would allow him to do so.>Suddenly, the whole planet is fighting against the CSM, Chaos, and the Daemon Primarch, the latter facing an empowered Pacha that seems to replace any injuries with pieces of the earth itself, slowly becoming some sort of earthen construct.>Daemon Primarch gets rekt and banished, but Pacha has channeled power too great for him to control, and feels his consciousness slipping. As a last act, he uses the planet for a huge Chaos-banishing wave, saving the civilians, and CSM retreat.>By the time the GMs reach the place where the primarchs dueled, Pacha's body, armor, shield, and Resolve are gone (probably fused with the planet), leaving only his Power Lance (which becomes the Legion's most precious artifact).
>>53747480The idea with the data looms is that it's not voluntary. It's been a long time or it's a chaos tainted weapon or something truly horrific that really should have killed him, but that plot armor allows him to survive long enough to be put into the cogitators. Perhaps thanks to Emil's network, he ends up in the Imperial Cogitator network, lurking in the soul wires. Gyahdred would prefer a synthesis of flesh and machine.The thing is that this new, radically different existence changes how he's looking at things, resulting in some sort of Clade Vanus style grand plan that puts humanity above either imperium. I've got Leto II in the back of my mind, but obviously crashing the Imperium won't quite work because of chaos and xenos.So he may go in wholly for Emil's end game, whatever that may be.
>>53747521Aah. Cool.>>53747327We should use that with someone else, then, since that's awesome.
>>53747637Hmm. To be honest I still haven't really pinned down exactly what Emil's end-game plan is. Hell, he may not have one. I know he's seeking to perfect humanity by blending Mankind/Cybernetics/Psychic Potential together into one properly balanced ubermensch. But to be fair I don't think he can get anywhere near that while still respecting the grimdarkness of the setting. Additional elements: He hates Chaos. He's big on infrastructure/astropaths/Forge Worlds/etc. He's kind of erratically isolationist/not always working with the other Seps. His relationship with the Emperor is... complicated at best. As with most things I write though, eventually the current will carry me to some distant shore so long as I keep writing, lol.
>>53747720What about he is successful and creates THE Ubermensch? However the Ubermensch turns against his creator and injures him, so that Emil has to go into hiding or stasis or has to destroy all his creations in an attempt to save his legion.
>>53747720Totally legit. If we knew the whole story from the beginning, there would be no need to write it.It seems like he and Gyahdred are the sort who would definitely have been friends during the crusade if it wasn't for their introversion and secret keeping. I think Gyahdred made sure to read everything Emil wrote, though and it wouldn't surprise me if individual legionaries were close.I'm thinking Gyahdred hates Chaos, Xenos Monsters, Yochin and religion, and inefficient organization in that order. I'm thinking as time goes on, he's increasingly open to working with Eldar and Harlequins against chaos. This is after he's stuck in the computer network, so it's mostly subtle redirection to give Eldrad breathing room as opposed to sitting down to make an alliance. Nor does he trust the Eldar for anything beyond fighting chaos.This said it does occur to me that Craftworlders are isolationist enough (with a few exceptions like Beltane) that if the Imperium took a non-agression policy towards Craftworlders, they'd cut down conflict dramatically. Not that this is practical for the Imperium, what with corsairs and ignorance and the occasional butterfly effect caused disaster for a craftworld that, for whatever reason, massacreing some properly placed mon keigh can avert.Does that sound right to anyone else or is there something I'm not thinking of?To be totally clear, I don't think we should have an Imperial-Eldar alliance so much as seeing if it's something Gyahdred in the computer might consider.
>>53747947Why would the ubermensch do that besides muh grimdark? If anything, the ubermensch would go wreck chaos.
@Pacha: I really like the end. I personally would face of against Lambach. Life vs death is always a cool battle.@Anonymous: cool Idea, some sort of Frankenstein-thing.
>>53747947>>53747996A "successful" ubermensch by definition would be all but immune to Chaos. If such a thing were ever to be created, it'd be far more likely to turn on people because "Skynet-mode" yall niggas are obsolete now let big pappa take care of things. Frankenstein's monster is certainly a classic trope to use, but I'm not sure it's the best choice narratively. Although if I did wind up using it, Emil's Equerry is already halfway down that path now that I think of it, lol.
>>53747996Why did the Iron men turn against their creators?How about after analyzing humanity the ubermensch sees humanity as source of all evil and tries to create peace for his new empire. Killing all sentient beeings, he would have eternal peace.And just a thought.
>>53748063Huh. I figured Emil's vision of an ubermensch would preclude such problems. Going rogue would definitionally disqualify it as ubermensch. Closest you would get would be Muadib and Leto II.Would be interesting to see where that Equerry goes.
>>53747976Feels like they're two trains running along mostly parallel tracks, I think. Depending on how much inter-Legion/inter-Primarch bonding there is, that could certainly be one of the reasons Emil doesn't simply abandon the Galaxy entirely. As far as Eldar go... They're too unpredictable to do much detente, without going all the way into a full NAP/formal alliance. That said, I could see the Seps doing such a thing, were it not that I'm pretty sure that's *literally* what the Knights Inductor did, so fuck that noise. >>53748140Well, there is the grimdark to consider. A perfect ubermensch would be essentially the Emperor reborn, but even better than he was, with more humility and love for all his lesser humans, rather than arrogance and superiority. Obviously Emil's not capable of that.
>>53748031As much as Pacha vs Kane sounds interesting, I'd rather have a square off against another Primarch, to give another Daemon Primarch the spotlight, and because Terra would've been probably fairly recent and Kane would've gotten banished by Linares and Pacha.
>>53749191Huh? I meant you should face off against Lambach because nurgle, god of death vs Pacha and the planet in its springtime of youth.
So, Linares is losing yet another brother. Only Je'She shall remain of his fellows? Well, he may just run into the Warp to try to kill Kane himself at this point XDBut no way, I dropped that. I like the way Pacha "Dies", and if Kane does it, would fuel much more the hate towards Kane.
>>53749523Guys, Kane is banished for a few years. He can't kill everyone. He would like to, but he can't. Maybe capture Lineares and make him his personal dartboard, but that is something totally different. He was stalked by Lineares.
>>53749508Ah, yes, sorry, my bad.
>>53749660He won't let Kane take a single breath.
>>53750833There is no need to breathe.
The RidgeAfter a long, cold and damp night, the 4th squad of the 2nd company woke up from its sleep, and prepared to get moving. Again. Things packed ans carried along the generator, Boltgun ready and loaded, the Sword sheathed and willing to take yet another life, Battle—Brother Dorado walked along his fellow comrade, Battle—Brother Pérez. The pair walked close to each other, but no words were spoken. The comms were silent, only thing that dared to make the slightest sounds were the footsteps of the Astartes squad and the distand echoes of the meat mincer, a place known as the Blades' Scourge Ridge. Hundreds of Astartes had already fell at that horrible place, trying to get the only advantage position in kilometers around. The Ridge itself was not too high, but very steep and full of fallen rocks, corpses and empty round cases. The ground, made of pure, naked rock, was scorched, as a result of the intense bombardment suffered by the Ridge and the use of flamers to clear the Forge Lords bunkers. 5 companies were already engaged, another suffered a number of casualties so high, that retreated to orbit, and the last one, the 2nd, was trying to flank that bloody ridge. Above the troops, the Satellital Companion, one of the Repulsive Grand Cruisers used by the IVth Legion, and by far, one the best known vessels of the 115th Expeditionary Fleet. Painted in Silver and black, with big golden Imperial aquilas in her prow, she leaded proudly the Fleet, and was ready and eager to provide orbital support for the troops at the planet.
>>53751151The squad continued to advance. Rocks fall, everybody looks up, Boltguns pointed in the general direction. Nobody is hurt. A Blade shows up, looking down and giving a thumb up, answered by the Alférez, called Reina, with another thumb up. The 3rd squad was following nearly the same route as the 4th, but through a higher path. "Glad to have that flank covered by these guys", Dorado said quietly to himself. Suddenly, an strident noise breaks up the silence within the comms systems. "Sierra Charlie, this is 4 Hotel Quebec, we need a round at 6° 38' 11"north, 35° 3' 7" east. How you copy?""4 Hotel Quebec, Sierra Charlie, copy, proceeding to orbital bombarment"Seconds later, a round strikes the ground. A big pillar of smoke rise in the background, partly obscured by the high mountains and the dark clouds. It was going to rain. Again. The advance was slow. The paths were difficult, full of steep slopes and loose stones. Some Battle—Brothers had to use their hands to continue advancing. Advance, advance, advance! That was the order. Advance!And, even as exhausted as the whole company was, after weeks of intense fight, against an opponent who seemed to use destroyer squads as standard troopers, and hard as nails. Their own brethren, their own brothers. They had fought against them, and knew that there were no time to waste. Every hour lost, is a lost squad. Roughly. They had to reach the Ridge soon, or their brothers would be annihilated without doubt. Reina ordered to stop and take cover, the intra—squad comms became alive."Something moved in those rocks, stay alert"Some "Copies", the Battle—Brothers aiming at the possible vectors of attack, ready to fire back.
>>53751609A burst of Bolter fire landed beside Pérez, a shell ricocheting in his left pauldron and hitting the Heavy Weapons Battle—Brother, Martí, without injuring him. Martí quickly got up and sprayed the area from where the shots came, and then crouched again. Some more Bolts. Dorado saw a Forge Lord jumping from his cover to get a better shot, and fired two rounds at him. One hitted the generator exhaust, the other, the left arm, blowing it up and splashing blood all around the place, and knocking the traitor out of combat.The squad downed two other Forge Lords, and continued with it's advance. Shots from the left, and comms transmiting"3 Tango Sierra under attack, can't see our enemies. Need support. How copy?""4 Tango Sierra, got you."The squad sprinted towards the position of the shooters, and found them unalerted of their presence. Their position was easy to reach, so they started their approach. Reina ordered the Swords to be drawn, and, at roughly 40 meters, ordered to charge the Lords. The battle cry of the squad quickly raised the concern of the Lords, who changed their target and fired at the charging squad. A burst of boltgun fire got Battle—Brother Menacho, and downed him. Some other bolts hitted Dorado, without injuring him, but damaging seriously the armor. The charge couldn't be stopped, and the Silver Blades engaged in melee against the Forge Lords, who had little chance against them. With only their Boltgun and knife, they fought bravely, but hopelessly. Dorado faced one of them, and quickly feinted a high, right—to—left blow. The traitor fell to the feint, and prepared to dodge the attack, while Dorado quickly attacked him in the left leg, making him to fall to his knees. Dorado gave him an honorable death, and, with all the hostiles downed, went to see Menacho, laying injured behind them."4 Tango Sierra, requesting Charlie Mike at our position, out""Copy"
>>53751921A few minutes later, an apothecary appeared at the place, stabilised Menacho, and took him to the field hospital."Damn the Forge Lords!", said Martí"Relax, Martí" replied Reina"This is..." Pérez was about to complain, but Reina stopped him. They had to cover like 10 kilometers that day, but the terrain was too hard, and their speed was slow. They continued the advance for some time, until they found a good place to rest. They placed their bedrolls and designed watchmen. No fires were lit, but the Battle—Brothers sitted around a pile of supplies, and started to eat the same as the last 14 days: a loaf of campaign bread, and campaign beer. Both were highly nutritious, and allowed the Astartes to fight tirelessly for hours without stop, and to march for kilometers and days. The bread was brownish, and hard after too much time without being consumed, so it was usually impregnated in the beer supplied with it. This way, hunger was satiated more easily. Resting was difficult there. The squad members had to stand guard, and when they were relieved, to try to sleep in the hard and cold rock. "At least isn't raining" said MartíAnd after 4 minutes 27 seconds, started to rain. Will continue tomorrow, I'm going to bed. Nights!
>>53744908I like the idea of Linares following Kane into the eye. It is an effective plot line to get rid of him like all the Primarchs. Just maybe he doesn't kill him but prevents him from coming back to real space over and over. After a few months Linares decides ot is pointless and comes back only to find 10k years have passed in real time. Warp time is a bitch.
>>53752076>>53751921>>53751609Good story, but idk man. Every time I see people writing Marines like they're Navy Seals using Echo-Sierra-Niner whatever kind of lingo, it always crushes my immersion and seems really strange. Like they're the TactiCool Marines or something, you know? 38,000 years later and we're still using "Sierra Charlie"?If Space Marines were real, they'd probably do something similar, but when compared to canon lore it just feels way off.
>>53746544Well the OU didn't have 2 sieges to whittle down loyalist forces. So basically imagine we had ostvann it cripple some legions. Then a siege which weakens the hell out of the imperials. Then another siege by chaos.Basically the seperatist siege replaces Istvaan and happens on terra. But we can always add like mini Istvaan that wrecks Pale Hounds abit and maybe gives him prior knowledge to the chaos incursion. But by the time he can warn anyone it is too late?
>>53752266I think it'd be better if you reference it vaguely by calling it something like battle-cant and not actually describing what they say.
Added your answers to to document Emil, thanks man.Still waiting to hear from the following:Marduk EngurDeshain KaneEinchurtMatlalihuitlJe'She of the WatchIsekho The UnseenYochin TheritaxAshur of BanipalFrederick AristideValorn AdrasQuaestor KreesPiter Karomonov
Also Pacha man, I think you missed your true color scheme.
>>53753396In terms of what?
>>53754023The timeline questionnaire everyone's been filling out in the rest of the thread, trying to collect everyone so that if people have to go away for several days or weeks we at least have a bare bones of what their character is doing at certain times. There is a link for it in the spreadsheet if you'd like a quick reference.
>>53754068Where is that, actually? I couldn't find it on the spreadsheet.
>>53754553Bhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1MnKYuwQsJz0lfETM5so1TpHJ7lUtbTPn8fGQ_LX60R8/edit?usp=sharingIt should be in the thread links tab.
>>53754870Oh ok, the "B" I think is an error in the filename.
>>53754918ahh ok never noticed it, I took it out
>>53753396>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:Einchurt assess and reforms his Legion, and actually spends several years out of the crusade ensuring his officer corps is trained to his specifications, his legionnaires are ready to fight the hard fights, and everything is organized to streamline top-down command.>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Einchurt was present on Nikea, and argued against the allowance of psykers in Legiones Astartes. His Legion had already fought enough campaigns against turncoat, psyker-saturated societies left behind by the likes of Emil, Pacha, or Lambach; to think of such a thing happening to the Astartes is an outcome best avoided. Einchurt is glad his father saw the folly in allowing his short-sighted brothers from destroying the Imperium.>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:Einchurt and the VI Legion are spread out across the other end of the galaxy, and take no part in the Ullanor Crusade, although they are present en masse for the Triumph of Ullanor.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:Einchurt was angered, the beginnings of the level of anger only an autistic superhuman who has suppressed his emotions for the past two or so centuries can achieve. He was angered at the incompetence of his brothers, he was angered some of them wanted to push the status quo despite the Imperium’s only rightful ruler being taken out of action, and he was angered that none seemed to take his complaints on their approach to the Ullanor Crusade as valid.>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:Brother should not have to fight brother, but a necessary evil is still necessary.
>>53753396>>53756477> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:Turncoats and traitors, the lot of them. They think they know what Father wanted for the Imperium, they think they have the foresight and charisma to lead all of Humanity. Foolish, idiotic, and selfish, I say. I take no pleasure in the thought of having to slay my brothers, but if it means Father’s vision will not be lead astray prior to his return, and if it means a better future for Humanity, so be it.> How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:My brothers have become deranged, raving madmen bent on the fulfilment of nonsensical goals. They bow before the very things we have worked for centuries to destroy, and should they succeed then all the evils we have committed will be for naught. They may be sick, rabid monsters now, but at one point they were still my brothers. I only wish they had chosen a better path.>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:Einchurt goes full ham on the Scouring, the full force of his rage directed at those who do not understand the horrific deeds they had committed, and how their current actions sought to make those deeds have no meaning. It is unfathomable to him, which only serves to make him angrier. His Legion, however, suffers greatly for this, and it is not until after Einchurt’s duel with Gyahdred, which leaves Gyahdred critically wounded, that he realizes what his sons have sacrificed for not just the Imperium, but for their gene-sire specifically. The VI Legion ends up being reorganized and split up between the members of the Oberwaffekommande as Einchurt begins to seclude himself. By around 300.M32 Einchurt simply vanishes without warning.
>>53752416Ohhh! Ok I get you now. Catastrophic losses as opposed to surprise massacre.Side thought. How would people feel about Gyahdred dicking around on Mars during the first invasion of the Sol System?
>>53752416I think a mini-Istvaan involving one of the Seps and the DH (I want them to be the ones floating around everywhere during the Brotherwar a la the Iron Hands) would be cool
>>53718973Answering a thread prompt from a thread or two ago that I forgot about:>Post your Legion FlagshipAdamant Fire, Steel Souls Flagship. The Adamant Fire is a rarity among Imperial capital ships, for it is a dedicated super-carrier rather than a brawler. Possibly the largest ship in the Imperium by mass, and *certainly* by volume, Primarch Emil curried enormous favors from Mars in order to construct this behemoth. In return for sharing Nonimat IV's ancient Dark Age secrets and promising to make recovering Forge Worlds one of the Steel Souls' highest priorities during the Crusade, the Fabricator-General granted Emil many treasures from Mars' deepest vaults for his flagship. Within the Adamant Fire dwell hundreds upon hundreds of voidcraft, practically every pattern in the Imperium being represented. The massively expanded bridge houses colossal cogitators dedicated solely to managing such vast attack wings and the ship itself dances on the razor edge of Abominable Intelligence to accomplish such feats. No other ship in the Imperium is as fine a command and control vessel either, for the cogitators are able to coordinate dozens of capital ships at once even while managing the fighters and bombers. In every way, the Adamant Fire is a reflection of her creator, himself a master of coordinating large forces. Vast armor plates shield the Adamant Fire from almost any attack, and equally tremendous banks of Void Shields take advantage of the docking bays minuscule energy requirements to fuel themselves. Point defense batteries bristle from every angle, making assaulting the Adamant Fire with torpedoes or voidcraft an exercise of futility. Unfortunately, all these enhancements make the Adamant Fire ponderously slow in realspace (though the gigantic cogitators also aid the ship's Navigators in moving swiftly through the Warp). It is not capable of rapidly shifting positions to respond to sudden attacks, and must be protected at all times.
>>53756542If we want to play up the dysfunctional relationship, we could have Gyahdred try to reach out to Einchurt, try convincing him that Frederick is the true heir, failing, switching to plan B and istvaaning the DH before wrecking some of Yochin's worlds. Years later, they meet for round II.I think it would be interesting because Einchurt and his legion wouldn't be horrified by the lack of honor in it. Instead they'd be pissed they didn't think of it first and might even take a strange sort of pride that Gyahdred thought them dangerous enough to receive such treatment.I would apologize for what is going to come next, but you know I would not mean it. Besides, it is nonsensical to apologize for the dictates of logic.Something like that.Oddly enough, I think the Death's Heads are more dangerous, or at least more destructive as a shattered legion.
>>53756542Yeah that works cool, even like Calth kind of attack where the DH are caught off guard. And spend the rest of the war fighting from the sidelines.Also thanks for filling the thing out. I'm at work bow but will add it to the document when I get home.Or you can if you want, maybe add your istvaan event to the time line.
>>53752266>>53752586Okay, I will change it. Thanks!
>>53752258Maybe he just follows him into Kane's homeworld, and after a big fight, Kane is casted back into the warp, and brings Linares with him, so he tries to scape during some time, and when he finally does, 10k years has passed.
>>53757811But how does that work?Lineares and Lambach togheter (althpugh a slaaneesh dp makes more sense) beat him after he killed raj and banish him to the warp. In the warp you can't banish a daemon, because warp. It could be an eternal battle. Something like groundhog day for lineares. He awakes every day and has to fight. Over and over and over.In Canon Russ went into the eye.Even if Russ went into the warp, we don't know what happens to a loyal primarch in the warp. Imho a primarch in the warp will simply mutate and get corrupted.
>>53757900If you want Kane to just being ganished at first, I'm okay with that. So, Linares pursue him, but just before parting, Lambach cast an spell over Linares, one that protects him from the effects of the Warp. Linares tries to beat Kane, but he can't and tries to get back to real space. He eventually succeeds, but 10k years have passed, and when Linares sees what the Imperium has become, he shouts the biggest WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUCK of the Galaxy so far.
>>53752076The night passed, and the squad started to move. Again.The monotony of the days was broken by the engagements of the last day, but the march had to continue. Every step put the squad closer and closer to the fights at the Ridge, and the noises of them were becoming increasingly louder. After 2 hours of march, a steep, rocky slope, with structures that looked like bunkers, and a certain part scorched, appeared before the 4th Tactical Squad. "Here Reina, company, we have reached the Ridge. Proceding to engage.""Don't engage, Reina. Wait for the rest of the company.""Roger, company. Out"The Blades took cover, and waited for the rest of the 2nd company. Slowly, their comrades appeared. First, the 3rd squad, who had changed their flank, then, the 7th, and then the Devastators. Apothecarii and Librarians appeared after half an hour, and a few minutes later, the rest of the company was there. The luggage was left there, a squad took defensive positions, a comms array was set, alongside the field hospital, and everybody readied himself to the attack.Some boltgun bursts were shot from inside a bunker, apparently, they were shot to the other side of the Ridge. "Are they already advancing, Capitán?""Yes, they are, Reina. They haven't stopped since they got here. As far as I know, they have suffered heavy casualties. They won't stand much more." Said Velasco, captain of the 2nd Company."We have no time to waste, then" Brother—Espistolary Juan said. Everything was set and ready, and the company was eager to attack and avenge their fallen Brothers.
>>53757970Something like this might work best. Linares tries to pursue Kane. Realises he can't beat him in the warp and trys to leave. There are a few less than Primarchs who have done similar, Drago and Lysander.If need be we can have Lambach cast an enchantment to protect Linares from warp effects as a last parting gift, in exchange for Rajs body.
What's the status of non-Astartes psykers in the 30k Imperial military? Are there sanctioned psykers yet? No one needs to be killed every day for the Throne so they aren't going there. Is the Big E just exterminating human psykers he finds? Keeping them in jail somewhere?
>>53758185That Exchange seems difficult, because Nurgle, you know. Maybe a promise of guarding and keeping it intact. No reviving shit. But yes, the enchantment would be nice. And necessary.
>>53758228Psykers are sanctioned in 30k. I don't know what they do with them exactly, but they don't just kill them on sight.>>53758232>>53758185I think you're really overestimating how logically these two would be thinking at the time. Honestly, I'm having some trouble believing they'd be able to really negotiate in the first place.I'm up for Lambach taking Raj's body though. That allows for some fucked up stuff down the line. Plus, the more vagueness surrounding a Primarch's death, the better.
>>53758294Yeah I'd prefer to keep it just the 2 of them don't want to fight anymore and go seperate ways.Linares will probably be fine in the eye.But for the most part Lambach doesn't want to be Nurgled. He wanted to stay loyal. As all of his closest brothers did. Raj, Linares, Pacha, Je'She were all close friends of his. But he screwed up royally.
>>53758228In the OU there's some sort of tithe, which is what the Sisters of Silence do when not aiding another force. (They're really paramilitary and part of the XVth's gimmick is that they work with the Sisters to take down the really big things.)Prospero was left alone, though, but that may have something to do with legion priority.As I understand it, though, most are taken by the tithe and trained (Or put down if they can't be trained)The Geno Chiliad regiments use psykers for command purposes, too.In the AU, I imagine there's more legion supported psyker training, what with Pacha, Emil, and Lambach, though I'd expect it looks different depending on which primarch is in charge.I've also currently got riots in Tizca protesting the tithe and Gyahdred being the one who responds to that mess. He turns Prospero into a research facility, in part to secure Lambach's aid.I'd also be willing to bet that Mot had a standing interest in psytech that Emil didn't snatch up.
>>53758506Running on the assumption that Leman Russ managed to survive the warp, Linares should be able to do the same.I get what you're getting at by saying Lambach doesn't want to be Nugled, but it's the same problem we ran into with Deshain a while back. Chaos corrupts. At first, nobody wants to be corrupted, but when you inevitably go deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole, you do want the corruption and power. By the time of the Siege of Terra, Lambach bathes in tubs of puss, shits cancer and thinks shit makes for a great perfume.
>>53758506Side thought re >>53742287Perhaps the chaos force Gyahdred relieves Linares from is Lambach.Not sure of the specifics, but I think it would be a neat interaction if this is still early enough that Gyahdred doesn't quite get what chaos is and thinks this is somehow political. He tries telling Lambach that he tried to stop the censure, that his fleet got there too late to protect him and that they can work this all out.And Lambach tells him he knows all that, but it's too late. Even at the censure, it was too late. Then he has a really badass line and goes all nurgley.The resulting battle is hellish as any campaign of extinction the XVth had fought and both legions take heavy losses. It's like one of those battles in WWI where the battle ends not because they've actually accomplished things, but because they've got nothing left to fight with. Gyahdred calculates that Terra has had time to fortify and withdraws. Gyahdred may also be screening convoys full of everything he could steal from Mars.
>>53758601Yeah that is the end fate of Lambah and his legion.But I was not planning on making him a deamon prince until after the siege. Perhaps when / if he end up being the one fights Pacha.The legion however is very much startimg to rot.The plan for them all is to be walking corpses with sentiance rather than traditional Plauge Marines. So they die on the battlefield and the next thing they know they wake up on the Nurgle planet alive and still bearing whatever injury that slain them. Albiet horribly patched up by nurglings.
>>53758830The exact moment of him becoming a Daemon Prince doesn't really matter. The point is that once Lambach let's Chaos in, he no longer doesn't want to be Nurgled. Those who worship the Dark Gods don't think like their previous selves anymore. Crusade Era Lambach dies the moment he fights back against Raj and Linares.
>>53758892Yep, I totally agree with you.The part where he fights Kane with Linares and then leaves is the very last shred of his humanity clinging on.After that he is basically goes mad trying to find a way to reverse the curse he has placed on his legion and then embraces it fully.
>>53758646We can do this of you like my only concern is that I am involving Lambach in too many things and not making enough room for the other Chaos guys to make a big impact.
>>53759085I think it's just that you're one of the more active HERETICS and Lambach happens to be a likable character with a lot of relationships that have good dramatic payoff during the heresy.
>>53759085>>53759102Still though, he makes a valid point. We really need to involve the others in more events.
>>53759129True.Well, let's see what we've got at the moment...During Ullanor Gyahdred pisses off Pacha and Je'She and gets closer with Assur.Isheko attacks PachaLinares and Raj attack LambachGyahdred Istvaans Einchurt after negotiations break down.Gyahdred fucks up Yochin's stuffSeps invade TerraGyahdred stalls Lambach & coAristede and friends head EastMot makes trouble in the East with the help of Elephant Seals.Potentially Matlalihuitl trojan horses on TerraKane kills Raj on TerraLambach and Linares have an awkward buddy cop film hunting down Kane.So from this, I think we definitely need a massive tank battle involving Assur and another armored legion. The XVth comes to mind.We also need a guerilla campaign with Isheko stalking someone across the stars.I also think Soaring Host vs Pale Hounds would be awesome.Yochin vs Marduk in a duel of the demagogues.Pacha vs Isekho rematch?Wardens vs. Gunslingers?
>>53759271The Titan Marchers might be a worthy opponent for the Loxodontii? Super Heavy tanks vs Super Heavy walkers?There rest of these suggestions are on point. I'd really like to get down with Moss, since I doubt his Primarch is gonna be named Matlalihuitl for much longer.
>>53759129I'm grateful that my Legion and Primarch are popular, don't get me wrong and I am happy to assist in as many storylines as needed/wanted.Though ot would be nice to see some more of the other chaos writers. At the moment it's pretty much Lambach and Kane doing everything because we are the most active 2. Isheko and Mati are a real struggle for a lot of people because they haven't been around for so long.We really need more from our warmasters too I think.
I read everything and I aprove.The more dramatic, the better. Also, yes, logical thoughts aren't part of the deal between Kambach and LinaresAlso, continuing with the story
>>53758148An hour later, the attack commenced. Every company available charged uphill, and the defenders did their best to keep them away from the bunkers. Another round from the Satellital Companion, and yet another. Some artillery rounds hitted the bunkers, too. And THAT didn't even scratched the surface. Another artillery salvo, this time with Promethium shells (think of Napalm bombs but fired throught artilelry), that caused the whole Ridge to combust. A fiery storm raged on the Ridge's top, some Forge Lords running from the flames and others still firing from the bunkers at the attacking Blades. The frontal attack wasn't very succesful, but the flanking one made by the 2nd Company caught them off-guard.The company had climbing the steep slope quietly, Boltguns at the ready, and positioned themselves close to the bunkers. The artillery bombardment almost caught them in the open, and had to move throught flames and missed boltgun shots. When they had already took positions, the time came."SOLDADOS, ¡POR KADIR!, ¡POR EL EMPERADOR!, ¡POR EL PRIMARCA!", shouted Velasco throught the comms and vox system.And the whole company replied with the dreaded battle cry trought the open channel, so the Forge Lords could hear it: "¡A SANGRE Y FUEGO!"They charged into the bunkers, throwing frag and incendiary grenades inside while mercilessly spraying them with boltgun fire. Dorado was near the biggest bunker when a huge Automata appeared, destroying half a wall of the building."ME CAGO EN..." BoomDorado was thrown some meters away by a huge explosion near the mechanical monster. A Silver Blades Dreadnought appeared, opening fire with what looked like a battle cannon, and engaged the Battle Automata in melee. Some Forge Lords stormed the Dreadnought, Dorado and Pérez charged in his defense. These Lords where better trained in melee, and better equipped, with chainswords and pistols. Pérez was injured, and Dorado was about to get killed.
>>53759796If it wasn't for a sudden bolt round of Martí, he would be dead now. The Astartes continued his rotor cannon spam over the Forge Lords troops, and killed some. The fire storm still raged, and the scorched armor of some Silver Blades that the 2nd company met was depicted by a Remembrancer, as a metaphor of the deadly battle waged in that Ridge. The big bunker was captured, and inside, the naked corpses of dead Silver Blades were found. Their armor was scavenged and placed elsewhere. The company stormed the remaining bunkers, allowing more and more Silver Blades to reach the top of the Ridge. The promethium still burned at the naked rock, and soon, no Forge Lord remained alive. Dorado met the previous Dreadnought again, who thanked him for the help. He walked across the Ridge, looking down the slope, only finding corpses of Blades and Lords alike. Some burned to death. Others were horribly mutilated by the artillery or the brutal melee. Some bleed to death. What a horrible sight. Even a hardened veteran like Dorado would had a bad time looking at the massacre. The apothecarii started to recover the lost gene-seed, both from the fallen Battle-Brothers of the Silver Blades, and from the traitors Forge Lords. Techmarines fixed the few damaged Dradnoughts involved in the fight, and Devastators took postions in the few remaining relatively undamaged bunkers. "Batallion Command, here Satellital Companion. No Life forms remaining in the sector. Mission Accomplished, well done.""Roger that, Companion. Proceeding to next assignement" replied Pizarro, Maestre of the 1st Batallón.
>>53759917The Bades' Scourge Ridge capture was of great importance for the proper advance of the campaing. A teleportarium was suspected to be near it, and was finally found underneath the bunkers, along with a huge number of Battle Automatas, some functional, and diverse wargear. Enough to throw a counter attack to the main force of the Silver Blades, which would advance throught compromised terrain, with it's flanks exposed. Now, the left flank was secured, and the right was about to be secured, too. The batallion joined the main force, and in less than a month, the remaining Forge Lords' fortress had fallen. Nearly 410 Silver Blades lost their lives at the Ridge campaign, and 95 more were wounded, while 850 Forge Lords corpses were recovered and sent back to Mars, in order to recover as much wargear as possible. >Members of the 4th Tactical Squad, 2nd Company, 1st Batallion of the 1st Tercio.Squad Leader, Alférez Reina, "JeCotar"Heavy Weapons, Battle-Brother Martí, modified Rotor Cannon Communications, Battle-Brother Ruiz, Comms equipmentBattle-Brother DoradoBattle-Brother PérezBattle-Brother Menacho, WIABattle-Brother VázquezBattle-Brother López, WIABattle-Brother RiquelmeBattle-Brother Romero, KIA
>>53751151>>53751609>>53751921>>53752076>>53758148>>53759796>>53759917>>53760041Well, this is it. Thoughts?
>>53760057As much as the use of the Nato alphabet is jarring, I think it works overall as sort of a "police procedural" of astartes combat, if that makes sense?It feels very military? Like a documentary on a seal team itself as opposed to a character driven piece.I think it works.
>>53760181Okay. I just wanted them to sound professional, but if it seems out of place, I will use a different, more 40k-ish language. I think that it fits better in the setting, too. Yeah, deffinitively will change it when moving it to the doc.
So the current model for the incapacitation of the Emperor and the naming of the Warmasters is as follows:The Emperor summons the legions together for an overdue campaign against the Orks of the Ullanor sector. He splits the assembled legions into four commands, each a spearhead into Ork territory. Je'She, Marduk, and Aristede each get one. Though they don't know it, their performance in this upcoming campaign will determine who gets to be the Warmaster of the Imperium when the Emperor retires to Terra to work on the Webway.The fourth prong is to be lead by the Emperor himself. He takes with him Raj and Kane, in part to soothe Kane's ego at not being chosen to lead his own spearhead. Kane asks why and the Emperor, attempting to be honest with his son, tells him that he is not ready for command. Kane is furious. Deep in Ork Territory, the Emperor and Kane fight to reach the heart of the Waaaagh. The Custodes and Gunslingers accompanying the two mythic figures are cut down, leaving the pair alone, surrounded by Orks. A massive Ork Warboss blindsides the Emperor. Kane sees his chance. The Emperor looks up at Kane to save him, and Kane whispers "No." The Emperor taken out, Kane dispatches the Warboss.Raj arrives, having been seeking the Emperor and Kane since they vanished into the thickest fighting. Raj is horrified and demands to know what happened.Kane is slow to respond as what he has done hits him. Kane had always wanted to be the hero. He is the sheriff, but he has betrayed the Emperor and enjoyed it. In that moment, he wavers between the honest and honorable man he wants to be and the villain he is becoming. He wants desperately to tell Raj what he has done and take execution as a gift. But he doesn't. He takes the coward's way out. He accepts who he is and lies. In that moment Kane falls utterly.
>>53760450He says the Emperor died saving him. But by this time, Raj has lost it. Raj charges him. Kane kneecaps him, saying "I told you. He died saving me. Do you want to make it so he died in vain?"On his knees again, Raj looks up at Kane and apologizes.The Custodes arrive to take the Emperor back to Terra. Malcador designates the three Warmasters as per the Emperor's contingency plan, the idea being that with three of them, no one could seize power and wreck the Imperium.The campaign proceeds from there.>Purely XVth Legion stuffThat's probably when Je'She has ordered Gyahdred to defend. Gyahdred hears the news and doesn't want to defend. He finishes those fortifications and gives Je'She's orders the finger and goes off to get some revenge.Things then proceed as outlined above, with the action opening a rift between Gyahdred, and, Je'She and Pacha.His orders were to secure the system or something and his response was that according to his calculations, the system was secure. Only the elimination of the orks could render it truly secure.
>>53760513I like the outline works for me see what others think but I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head.My only question is Big E dead or just so heavily injured he may as well be and has to be slapped in the yellow chair?
>>53760660Yellow Chair, dude
>>53740293These messages went unheeded, however, as the bulk of the XVth warfleet neared the planet. Without pausing, the fleet began bombardment as soon as they were in range.This action shattered the calm over Praal. Temporal sheer forces spiked and the planet itself was wreathed for war, with strange gellid defense platforms spitting fire. The legion was not taken by surprise, however, as madness and impossibility were the norm for the XVth and paranoia was reflex. The massed guns of the XVth, including the flagship, the Seventh Seal (maybe? Nightbringer? Spectre?) soon brought down the orbital defenses, but the planet itself was now heavily shielded and it was clear a landing would be required. Focussed lance fire soon opened a landing zone and the legion descended in full force. For this opening phase of the campaign, the objective was simple. They were there to gauge the enemy, acquire samples, and exterminatus the planet. Praal was the first of many worlds in the cluster and there was nothing so significant about it that could not be replaced by later Mechanicum terraforming operations.The first wave of drop pods and Stormbirds found the world strangely silent. The legion took the time given to construct temporary fortifications even as dedicated landers brought down the legion Mastadons, Sicarans, and more esoteric Mechanicum war engines. Scouts found the towns a bizarre simulacrum of human life, even as the planetary void shields groaned and coruscated with the load of orbital bombardment. Toppling a planetary shield with a combination of lance strikes and ground-fire, the legion's armored forces advanced. With their approach, everything changed.As the lead Vindicator rumbled past a house, the structure unfolded itself, hairy, segmented legs whipping out to ensnare the tank and pull it back into some impossible shadow dimension with a sickening crunch. In a moment, the townscape was alive with unfolding things made of feelers and beams.
>>53760746The children standing idly in the streets threw back their heads and shrieked, vomiting noise and bloody ectoplasm, moving with an unwholesome synchronicity in jerky, spastic motions. They sprawled, ribcages opening as mouths, intestines turned into long tongues and tentacles.The legion opened fire, artillery shells scything through buildings that walked on legs, tearing apart the strange, recurve creatures that seemed to have been assembled from bodyparts strung together at random. They scattered, more like predatory creatures than an army.Civilian skimmers scuttled off on too many barbed legs to hide amongst a hive city that now sprouted into some strange mycotic forest. Between dense fungal growth, things that work human hands as ill-fitting disguises wove odd crystaline webs as trams borne aloft on insectile legs plowed furroughs as much to block the path of the oncoming host as to allow the rise of drainage pipes and electrical conduits as strange blooming flowers with antennae in place of flowers. Always it was as though the bulk of the creature lay in some other dimension, around some impossible corner, and those that were siezed in pincers and mandibles were pulled into that impossible space.Legion Vorax met plasteel and ferrocrete arachnid in combat even as XVth legion chem flamers reduced things wearing human skins to bubbling liquid.Legion firepower pushed the hellish jungle back, burning it clear enough to set charges.Planet doomed and samples collected, the XVth retreated into the void. Unfortunately, Praal was only the beginning.The nightmarish amalgamation of xenos ecosystem and Old Night horror humanity was endlessly inventive in forms each more unsettling than the last. Nor would the exterminatus option be so freely available again, for it was realized that the eldritch intellects which lurked at the core of the cluster held these schismatic realities together. With them removed, the planets would be returned to "normal",
>>53757050You're giving them too much credit for thinking logically at that point. The Death's Heads, and especially Einchurt, are absolutely livid, even enraged, that the Brotherwar is happening. To them, it's the unravelling of all the horrible things they've done up until now. Before, it meant something. It was the necessary evils that would lead to a better future for Humanity. Now it's just a bunch of needless atrocities committed for a cause that no longer matters. This anger is made even worse by the fact the XV, the only Legion Einchurt thought might understand sentiments, has also betrayed the Imperium.I like the idea of Gyahdred Istvaan-ing the Death's Heads, but don't think Einchurt isn't going to go into even higher levels of autistic rage over it. In fact, I've been thinking that's the entire reason Einchurt actually managed to critically wound Gyahdred; Einchurt is smaller and less of a warrior than Gyahdred, but Gyahdred doesn't realize just how dangerous he's made Einchurt. He underestimates Einchurt's willingness to kill him, hoping maybe he can make Einchurt "see the light" and turn him Sep, but Einchurt no longer sees what was once one of his closest brothers. All he sees is a thing masquerading as Gyahdred, a thing hell-bent on undoing and making meaningless everything Einchurt and Gyahdred have worked so hard to give meaning to.
>>53761043The inhabitants would all die, but valuable archaeotech industrial facilities across the cluster would be preserved. Thus did the XVth begin its long campaign to hunt down and slay every one of the Praalite Overlords.From here they end up going on a heavy duty campaign. Since their goal is to preserve archaotech infrastructure and that's about it, they're free with rad and chem weapons most places. Massive armored columns rumbling alongside cybernetica and dreadnoughts. Running tank battles against multi-limbed turreted abominations. Terminators taking out trap-door spiders made out of houses. All of this beneath ashen skies and lit by fallout.The Astartes are not simply fighting the armies of the Praalite Overlords, which they don't even meet on Praal itself, they're fighting their ecosystem. The reason the things on Praal act like insectoid predators is because that's what they are. So then the army shows up and they're like Oh. Shit. And things escalate from there, until they're deploying a titan legio and ordinatii.The final assault is on an airless planetoid in the central system. It's honeycombed with tunnels and the thing is at the center, somewhere. And there's all sorts of crazy shit in there where the rocks turn into strange fungal growths that glow. The legion splits up into kill teams, each with Sisters of Silence that they're trying to escort to the brain-thing.I'm thinking of calling it the Aristocrats.What do you guys think?
>>53761264I like that. A lot. All of it. It really gets at Einchurt's motivations and I think it will work very nicely with his eventual disappearance.So there's going to be some sort of initial Istvaaning, given Einchurt's mood, probably more of an elaborate ambush akin to Phall. Or luring Einchurt down onto a planet and doing an ambush. Or appearing out of nowhere to wreck a muster world, akin to a Calth.Up to you, really, whatever way you think it would be easier to get Einchurt.And then after the Heresy, Gyahdred miscalculates, figures that Einchurt sees that the Western Imperium is shit and since Gyahdred holds no grudge against Einchurt, figures he'll try talking him into joining the Eastern Imperium?
>>53761333Yeah, and then Einchurt isn't there to talk, he's there to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and he just ran out of bubblegum.I think attacking a muster would be best, seeing as he'd have to pull the Legion from their various battlefronts across the galaxy. The XV ambush them once they're mostly assembled. Some of the Legionairres are on the ground, some are in their ships. Once the ambush begins, some ships do what they were trained to do and flee with their Astartes contingent, some stay and try to fight alongside their Primarch, some get destroyed or are forced to retreat... Overall, it's a clusterfuck for the Death's Heads, and ends up witn Einchurt going silent as he tries to follow Gyahdred's flagship to the East and gets cut off by the Ruinstorm. The rest of the Legion then starts fighting their confused guerilla war, and decides to open up the vaults to the weaponry that the Imperium once would have censured them for.
>>53761413Awesome. I'm not sure how the following them will work, just in terms of timeline, but yeah. This seems solid. I'll start thinking about dick moves to do over muster worlds.Just for clarification, I'm thinking this event happens early in the brother war. Gyahdred wants him out of the war early.I want to try to get Gyahdred wrecking some of Yochin's worlds.Then I think the Seps are supposed to swing by Terra for a siege, likely to ransack Mars.Last thing is Gyahdred relieving someone so they can rush to Terra to protect it from Chaos, likely Linares and Gyahdred has a battle with Lambach's dudes.(The point there is that he values humanity over either side and it gives that last moment of brotherhood before things get past that point. It's also part of why he's hoping he can talk to Einchurt.)There may also be a tank battle with the LoxodontiiThose are just elements I'd like to fit in there., so it all may change, but it would require us to find something to keep Einchurt busy for a few years between opeing of hostilities and the ruinstorm.
>>53761515I mean, it could be he's just hell-bent on finding Gyahdred, so he ignores his Legion's calls for orders and direction, instead letting them execute the war as they see fit while he dedicates all gis resources to finding his "insane" brothers.
>>53761758That could definitely work. I just don't want him coming across as incompetent.But I really do like the idea of him going mad in a furer bunker surrounded by maps and charts trying to track down the movements of the separatists to get them and bring them to justice.
>>53753396Here's a few of the answers. The other side may be a while.>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade: He goes on a brief recruitment spree on Advent before throwing himself and his legion into the great crusade. New recruits acclimatised to the tactics Valorn brought to legion fairly well, though many of the legion's older members were less than impressed >Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath: Valorn was present at the Nikea and though he accepted the verdict he was deeply intrigued by his father's decision. After all, all his psyker brothers had voted in favour of the librarius. So why had his father - also a psyker- voted against? What did he know that Emil or Pacha did not?>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor: Valorn deploys Claw Packs throughout Ullanor to sow chaos and remove high value targets. It's in this campaign that The Unworthy truest develop their hatred of Orks>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury: Valorn initially throws his legion into battle alongside the Golden Mountains, seeking vengeance for his father. However he is forced to withdraw after Pacha's forces unleash their psychic powers. Valorn warns his brother against utilising those powers so soon after the edict's creation, but Pacha ignores his warnings.
quick bump, then we should probably post some of the stuff discussed on discord here today. Primarily those things related to Ullanor, the Warmasters and the incapacitation of the Emperor.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade:He focused mainly on getting his legion back up to par and restoring them. He also spent a lot of time studying galactic history as far as the Imperium was concerned so he could actually understand the place of it in the grand scheme of things. Was probably friendly and personable with his brothers, but didn't have a lot of time to spend on things other than his legion. Spends a lot of time setting up his kind of faith as a tool to increase morale, but keeps it pretty low key because he understands the overarching view of religion in the Imperium.>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:Wasn't there, but watched worried from afar, probably sent the head of his Libarius. Was pretty uncomfortable with the decision but respected the Emperor's wishes. He feels the verdict may bring down the hammer on esoteric practices in general, and genuinely believes what he's doing is for the best of his legion/Imperium so he finds it deeply troubling. >What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:He's there. He's pretty eager to prove his practices are good by succeeding here, his legion is now eclipsing it's pre-Primarch greatness so he's called in to provide assistance.>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:It deeply effects Marduk. It makes him both begin to question the direction of the Imperium as a whole subconsciously and also makes him more comfortable/feel the need to ramp up his religious practices among the legion. Without the figure head of the Emperor, his men need something more to hold on to.>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:He sees cracks growing deeper and deeper in the Imperium and among his brothers. He clings tighter to his beliefs as he loses his faith in the Crusades. His fighting around the Eye of Terror has increasingly opened his eyes to other potential futures for mankind. cont.
>>53764415>>53735765> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:This is just after or when Marduk really starts to lose it. He's been perusing texts and relics recovered from the world's he's conquered and he's starting to see the pattern laid out before him. Chaos is whispering right in his ear and he's starting to answer back. The Abyssal Faith has become increasingly depraved out at the far edge of the Crusades under his oversight. The Seps are basically the final straw. This is when he's decided the Imperium is no longer worth fighting for and/or the conflict between his brothers speaks to him in a specific way. The discord rings true. The Chaos gods may as well be perched on his shoulder at this point. >How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:The Imperium is weak and sick, once it may have held a future but now it promises stagnation or worse. Even at the beginning a unified galaxy did not sit well with Marduk. The placidity of it engenders weakness. Now, the wheels are spinning. Chaos is the answer, the Gods are manifestations of the Great Mother Tiamat. They will bring down the Imperium for the sake of it's own metaphysical well being. By returning the galaxy to anarchy they ensure the future. The Leviathan's march with the symbol of their newly blessed faith, the Eight Pointed Star. They begin channeling daemon energies and summoning the Abyss' children from her Immaterium womb. The Imperium will fall and the Immaterium will reign, as things ought to be. >What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:Marduk maybe dies at Terra or shortly thereafter. His successor, a woman, takes control of the legion. Even if the Heresy didn't ensure complete Chaotic victory, the process has been set in motion. They leave Terra satisfied but battered and go to hide amidst the Eye of Terror.
I'm gonna work on a timeline, including discovery dates, with rough guesses/suggestions on all the major events so far. Should be done tomorrow night and I hope it will be valuable for pinning some stuff down that's remained frustratingly nebulous.
>>53764415>Pic relatedWhatAlso, I have posted a request at a Drawthread, hoping to get a drawfag. Maybe a quick family sketch, with the 21 Primarchs and the Emperor?
>>53766304That's bold. Don't overstretch.Also, what's hard to understand? When Marduk dies, he turns into a puddle of briny sea water. Probably with some weird primeval fish in it or something. Not actually, I just thought the webm was neat/creepy and the nasty water reminded me of the Leviathans
>>53766354Oh, great.I just requested. The one who is willing to help, will por up
>>53766354>>53766419>>53766419No harm in asking. Worst that can happen is that the request is ignored.
PROMPTPost a mortal force that regularly works alongside your legion, either during or after the heresy.Knights of Zharr aside, the Forge Lords use plenty of tech-thralls, humans that are little better than servitors, to probe enemy fortifications, trigger ambushes, and a plethora of other things that aren't worth risking astartes lives on. They retain the use of these thralls after the heresy, though some are changed into Drekh-Val, or half possessed. These mortals seem normal until they receive a significant amount of trauma, at which time their daemonic nature is revealed and they transform into slavering beasts of claws and teeth. Very few mortals can withstand the transformation, and once their episode is over are unlikely to survive.
>>53768391The Kadirian RegimentsThese are usual Imperial Army regiments, but some of them are considered even part of the Legion by some erudites, as they work with them with such strong ties that even the individuals get used to fight alongside their superhuman comrades. They usually wear silver armor, and are equipped with some of the best equipment Kadir can provide. The regiments are used to support the Blades ops in a wide sense: either by stopping a charge in full momentum to let the Blades do their job with maximum efficiency, to provide massed fire support to the deploying Legion and holding the captured ground. They are usually the ones that provide the heavy weapons, like Baneblades, Glaives and Basilisks, as the Blades can't afford to lose time deploying those, given their fast way to make planetfall. The regiments can do it with no problem. They are pretty vanilla, tho. But the Blades hate servitors, so, why not?
Quick question, do the loyalist and Separatist Imperiums share a border, or is there a kind of no-man's land between them?
>>53768391The Korranix HelotsOnce conquered by the Emperor's Dragoons, Korranix was a world whose culture never truly integrated into the wider Imperium. Such was their refusal of the rule of Terra that later in the Crusade, it declared open rebellion against the Imperium. Punishment came in the form of the Iron Guard, who weeded out every symbol of the planet's former culture. In one last measure, a tithe was taken of warriors who would become slaves to the Legion, electro-collars preventing them from ever thinking of turning against their masters ever again.
>>53768826Depends on the coordinates you are looking for, I suppose. Somewhere sharing a border, elsewhere with no—man's—land
>>53768826The Galactic Core and its immediate environs will almost certainly be no-man's land. I would imagine the Galaxy as a whole would look rather like a PokeBall with a couple bullet holes in it representing the various Warp Storms. No man's land in the center, and then a northern and southern border roughly dividing Segmentums Obscurus and Tempestus. It's debatable how much of those two Segmentums go to either power. We could say the Imperium gets more to compensate for Ultima's size, or we could say the Seps get more to compensate for Ultima's more "frontier" development levels.
>>53768391I was typing something, but then I pushed a button and everything disappeared, so fuck it.
>>53769191Maybe a constantly fluctuating border? So no side has a permanent bonus over the other.
>>53768826There is no No Man's Land in macropolitics. Even the Koreas only have a thin strip. Two ideologically driven superstates wouldn't leave any worlds neutral.>>53769191>It's debatable how much of those two Segmentums go to either power. We could say the Imperium gets more to compensate for Ultima's size, or we could say the Seps get more to compensate for Ultima's more "frontier" development levels.I was thinking the seps are mostly everything east of the core.
Okay, call me crazy, but what if there was a crossover of the three build-a-primarch AUs? Pic related, if the three galaxies were arranged as such.
I added Marduks and Valrons answers to the document. still need:Deshain Kane - Though he is fairly active and we know most of what his character does anyway.>Matlalihuitl - Could really use some answers from this guy.Je'She of the Watch - As a warmaster we more or less know his role and there is enough info in his document for us to work with anyhow.Isekho The Unseen - Haven't seen this guy in some time, is he still around?Yochin Theritax - We really need to hear from this guy as his legion will have a massive impact on the loyalists.>Ashur of Banipal - Active enough that we more or less know most of his answers.>Frederick Aristide - There is the least information of all on this character, and as he is set to be a warmaster we really need some more meat.Valorn Adras - Half done.Quaestor Krees - Not sure if we have heard from this guy in awhile either? Those his marines are soldiers and we can easy use them as vanilla work horses if need be?Piter Karomonov - We know a bit about Piter so could probably fill in some of his blanks, would be nice to know more about him though.Again I'm not trying to step on any toes just trying to give us a push in the right direction, I think we've done great work on the time line in this thread.Xun mate, if you want to replace the vague Ullanor bit in the document with the more detailed version you guys worked on last night be my guest.
>>53771281I'm dumpster tier so screwed up the format on the names there haha.
PROMPT:M41. The shit went down, and the Primarchs are returning. The Emprah has received a TTS device, and calls your primarch to a father and son talk. What do they speak about?
>>53776275"Son, I told you to stay where you are if you get lost, did I?""Yes, Father, but you know, I was in the warp. It's difficult to stay still there. And I was hunting traitors, I have an excuse!""Whatever, glad you returned safe and sound. Now, the true important thing: Beer. Stop it, forget it. Go rehabillitation or something, but forget it""But, Father...""Shut up you drunktard. Fix your shit, and get back to work.""Okay, Father...A last thing I want to tell you: There's still hope."
Why have you forsaken me?It would be a Dialog oft bitterness and rage.
>>53776275Five assassination attempts in quick succession before the Emperor laid down the hurt.>Damn it, Rokuten, you fucking weeb. You honestly wanted to be Warmaster, but you kept on pulling shit like this. This is why you weren't one of my choices, because your constant clambering for power actively got in my way.>It is simply the nature of man, father. What are we without our ambition? Look at what happened to your Imperium when->My Imperium fell apart because you and your brothers kept on whining about shit because nobody was getting their way when there were more important things to worry about, like keeping the fucking Imperium together. Really, it's pretty much 40% your fault the Imperium failed.>I... Well, you have a point there. Maybe I WAS in the wrong.
>>53776275"Son, I told you to watch your eating. Now look at yourself, big and round like a ball.""Father, we both know it wasn't like that!""Yes, yes. You still dabbled in sorcery beyond your limits and ended up dispersing your consciousness across a planet. At least you didn't fall to Chaos, thank the Eldar Infinity Circuit that was there.""Wait, is that why...""Yes. That explains your current form after using my OPPLSNERF powers to put you together and into a body. Now, you take this helm, and keep it on whenever it's not with me and your brothers. We will at best have an unspoken truce with the Eldar, and both species are better off that way."
>>53776275Big E: Hello Lambach, I trust you're enjoying your pornography... and toast.Lambach: Hmm yes delicious, I can't believe it's not butter.E: Yes and I can believe how many crumbs are in the butter, and buttery crumbs in the jam.L: Well, that sounds like your problem niiiiiigaaaa... tron.E: Damnit Lambach you've failed me for the last time.... again.L: I hate this family. I wish I was never born.
I had a couple of ideas about primarchs returning at M41, when the shit goes down:>Lambach, after being in the warp for a long time, goes to see Father Nurgle, speaks to him, doesn't get shit, but gets to see Isha. She tells him how to cure himself of the poisoned blessing given to him by Nurgle, and how to bring back Raj in his full human form, in exchange of saving a certain craftworld from destruction. Lambach returns to his nest, and does what Isha told him to do. A few hours later, color returns to his face, it's no longer palid as bleached bone, and started to feel human again. He visited Raj's tomb, and exhumed him. He started the ritual, and when he finished it. Nothing happened. Enraged, he flipped all the tables around him. But when he was as desperated as a Pacha who hasn't eaten anything for 20 minutes, something touched his shoulder. Scare jumped, and there was Raj. Alive, and looking as he always looked. Lambach was so happy to have his brother back again, that he nearly cryed. >When the shit goes down, and Cadia is about to fall, a group of Chosen of Hecate appears. The Silver Blades fighting there, lead by Linares himself, are surprised, but engage them asap. The CoH encircle the Primarch, and suddenly, Lambach appears. Both Primarchs fight for some time. Linares tried to speak to him, maybe he could get him back. And he almost did. A single teardrop fell form Lambach's eyes, while Linares' eyes were tearful too.>And suddenly, Raj. Both stop fighting, and greet the fallen brotherThis leaves Lambach's return to the Imperium open, or at least, a little bit of help. HE recovers his body, and Raj comes back to fight in the final battle. Thoughts?
>>53776275Raj really wouldn't have a lot to talk about, let's be honest. Motherfucker's dead.>>53776720It'd be the manly tears ending, that's for sure. Would getting resurrected by Isha get Raj his legs back?>>53770367That'd be absolutely insane. I'm also not entirely sure I understand the picture fully. Also, I posted this on the Discord as well, but I was once planning on running a Deathwatch campaign with a similar premise. It'd be in the OU, but there would be a Black Augurs or Behemoth Guard sorcerer, looking to combine the universes for the sake of never ending war. Might write something for that one day...
>>53776864>Lieutenant Dan, you have new legs!I dontdon't think so. Raj is just resurrected from his previous state. Although, maybe Isha is able to bring them back.
>>53770367All I know is that the Voidwatcher is somehow behind this.
Model for a Golden Mountains Librarian. They paint their shoulders a dark purple to denote their capabilities, but similarly fight in the front lines.
The Mountain Warlocks, as specialists, use more distinctive, and evocative, imagery.
>>53776275>So you live in the internet now? That's...>Wasn't my idea. But at the risk of being cheesy, after like 10,000 years of near omniscience, I think I get you a lot better.>Yep. So I take it you have some sort of 10,00 year plan?>Yeah! How did you.... Oh!! Right!>Yep.>Well, what is it?>You being able to talk kind of changes everything.>Ruined your plans, then, did I?>Actually, you solved a bunch of problems I was having in phase 3. And also, to make it totally clear, all I wanted was better administrative policies. It wasn't like Je'She had any better claim than Aristide had. And Aristide's administrative policies were better. Je'She didn't want to listen to anyone.>You could have just quietly derailed things. Taken over after a few thousand years. Or assassinated him.>Wow. That's... cold.>What? Have you never assassinated anyone you cared for?>Actually...>Besides, you were in a civil war.>Fine. Point taken. Next time I'll be patient and arrange unfortunate accidents for my opponents.>That's my boy. I'm going to teach you how to get your opponents to disqualify themselves next! This is going to be fun. And remember, it doesn't mean you don't care.
And finally, a battle brother who is an experienced cook and thus marks his gauntlets white.
>>53770034Que?I think there's almost always a no man's land in macropolitics. The Levantine Coast served as one during the Bronze-Iron Age competition between the Egyptians and their competitors in Asia (Hittites and Assyrians, usually). Similarly we had satellite states and proxy wars during the Cold War. The Low Countries filled this role as well during the Great Game.It wouldn't surprise me if there were some small states that were on the invasion routes that had governments literally made to be deposed whenever one of the two imperiums went to war.
>>53777649>>53777660>>53777691Dope! That chef, tho.
>>53735739Here's a couple more>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach: Valorn is deeply enraged by the censures. Partially because he views them as incredibly heavy handed and partially because he views that there are other legions more deserving of censure. In his eyes, the Disciples have been breaking the Emperor's decrees for literal decades and have received no punishment, while his brothers who have broken one edict are punished to an absurd degree.>How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so: Valorn supports the Separatists. This is not due to dissatisfaction with the policy's of Malcador or the other high lords, neither is it due to their status as humans. His decision is made because he believes that the high lords will not be able to effectively control the primarchs. He doubts that primarchs like Yochin, Kane or Zelbezis would bow to the orders of a mortal like Malcador. As such, he thinks a level headed primarch such as Frederick HAS to rule the Imperium in order to curtail the activities of his brothers and keep the imperium safe.> How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so: He despises chaos for it's betrayal of all the base tenants of the Imperium He's also really angry that Yochin isn't a servant of Chaos, as it would prove him right about the narcissistic bugger. However, in fighting chaos Valorn finds a degree of understanding. When he first faces it he thinks he begins to understand his father's opposition to psykers and religion (also assuming his father knew about Chaos from the start). This only makes him hate it all the more, for he see's it as responsible for both the censures and the brother war in their entirety.
And here's the new scheme for the XVth Legion, now known as the Dusk Phantoms.
>>53778509Here's the logo on a dark field.There's a variant for when it goes on white.
>>53778509>>53778999Turns out Xun has consistenly put the chapter badge on the wrong shoulder, so now he's sticking with it and making it so that it's part of his legion's culture.Looks good
>>53778509And while I'm at it:>The RevenantsThe Campaigns of the Dusk Phantoms are intense and highly lethal. Severe injury is not uncommon, but thanks to the legion's close ties with the Mechanicum, apothecaries have additional options beyond the oft employed dreadnought sarcophagus. Elite members close assault specialists in the legion can be revived as Revanent Terminators.Originally designed for the massive Cataphractii Pattern, but later expanded to be compatible with other variants, the Revenants are augmented and bonded with their armor for increased durability and performance, exceeding even that usually possible through the black carapace.Revenants are equipped with a wide array of wargear, depending upon the mission they are to perform, but in general, they are fitted with additional arms and augur arrays. They also serve as veteran sergeants and lieutenants for other squads due to both their great experience and their equipment.For a breaching assignment, a Revenant Squad may be armed with boarding shields, chainfists, flamers, and melta cutters, while macro-extinction protocols may call for rad-grenades, massive thunder hammers, and archaeotech side arms.In a fire support configuration, a Revenant may be given a pair of heavy weapons, and even a cyclone missile launcher.I'm doing terribly at describing these guys, I know. But basically, they're vets who aren't quite ready for dreadnoughts, put in hueg Terminator plate with 4 arms, and are basically mini-centurions. They'd be the sort of thing you could also take as an elite or something to stick with a squad and hand out benefits thanks to their augur arrays.In 7th, they'd be like T5 W3 2+ 4++ FNP, but in 8th, I dunno.
>>53735739>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusadeOnce the initial shakedown of the legion is complete, Piter would go on to secure the local systems surrounding Ussar. From this stable position, known by M41 as the “Ussar Protectorate”, Piter would go on to expand out into Segmentum Ultima backed by regiments of Ussaran Guardsmen. Though slower perhaps than his other brothers, Piter created stability on the worlds he claimed for the Emperor. >Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:While Piter himself did not attend Nikea in his stead he sent Joseph Gorbev, Considered to be the right hand of The Hammer. It was a well documented fact that the Lord of Ussar was paranoid about psykers, and it came as no surprise when Joseph stood against the use of Psykers.>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:While Piter is himself was not present, he did send the more combat experienced half of his legion to the crusade while he continued to take worlds in the east. While this may have been an error through the eyes of remembrancers at the time, it did also succeed in bringing the “reserve” legion up to snuff.
>>53776275>Marduk, I was told you were dead and a servant of the dark gods.>No dad, I'm neither. The gods killed me because I refused to worship them. >Oh good, have you come to help with putting the Imperium back in order? >Nope>Why not?>Because I worship Mega-Chaos now.>Jesus fucking Christ.
>>53776275>EinchurtYes father>I thought we talked about these thingsWh-what things, father?>Your obsession with bottling up your emotionsFather I can->Like fucking seriously, if you had stopped being an edgy neo-nazi for like five minutes maybe you wouldn't have had to turn your closest brother into a graphics card.He turned on your Imperium, Father!>And yet you never tried to stop that from happening prior to their grab for power. Seriously, just fucking talk to people for once. It isn't that hard, I promise.Father->I can even help you get over your social ineptness. It can be a little father-son bonding time....That might be nice, Father.
Reading these convers, I wonder how a family reunion would go...
>>53779961While I'm at it, some musings on Stovokor. They're a proper forge, titan legion and all. As I've mentioned, they've a variant machine cult. They are also pro cybernetica. They run operations separate from the legion, but because of the doctrinal role of Gyahdred, they serve a role akin to chapter serfs in many ways. So the fleet is an Admech fleet. The Stovokor and Ryamtscho Auxiliae are organized as Skitarii forces.The forge also has purely Admech forces and fleets out there. It's sort of like the relationshipbetween a 1st chapter and successor chapters. When the XVth calls, the forces of Stovokor come, and if you fuck with anything from Stovokor, from servitor to Magos to titan, you fuck with the XVth.>>53779046We should come up with some titan legions. I think a good one for your dudes might be something like>Legio Indravaryam "The Thunderers"From the Forgeworld of Muziri beyond the fringe in the Segmentum Tempestus (not all that far from Zhao Arkkad, now that I think of it). The legion has stood guard over the many thousands of years it has endured xenos assault.Abandoned forge fanes dot the surface, the result of unceasing assault from hostile stars.The legio is small in number, losing ground, though they've endured long.Raj gets there, saves them, and in gratitude, they forge bonds of friendship and cooperation until the stars burn cold.I'll add some details later.
>>53781670Einchurt and Gyahdred meet up>E:So ehm...>G:H-how have the last couple milenia treated you?>E:Oh, uh, not... not too bad, I've been wandering and doing some, uh, some thinking.G:Ah, yeah, I've, uh, I've been thinking a lot tooE:Yeah, I mean ever since I, uhm I... well, y'know, I've been thinking a lot about what you said and... and y'know...G: Yeah, things have been a lot different since you... well... and since I, uh...E: I-I'm gunna go catch up with Je'sheG: Oh, okay, yeah. I've got some stuff to talk to Lambach about so.E: S-see youG: Later
>>53781728>Kane put the pistol down>Liner, sheath your sword>You both, relax and fucking eat your sausages>Okay, Father>Yeah, Father>Why the hell you sitted in front of each other if you know you may end up killing the other>True>Just wanted to have him controlled>Fucking Big Brother!>Not exactly. And thank god>What I told you about gods?>Right Father
Just imagine a scenario much like the Last Diner, Empy in the middle and the Primarchs around. >So how is the Crusade going?>No talk about business in my table, son
>>53781670"Hey Fred, how's it going? How you been since I tried and maybe succeeded in killing you?
>>53781728>turned him into a graphics cardI seriously lol'd.>>53781689So I'm thinking of a few major forces.>Legio Cybernetica Chapter The ThunderheadsThis is the primary chapter on Stovokor, under the leadership of High Coordinator Rpas Leng. Lots of Vulturax and other stratos automata for the high mountains and rugged terrain of Stovokor and Ryamtscho. They, aratalax, and vorax are used as fast cavalry, which deploy from walls of castellax and several local patterns of automata.They're often called upon to aid the legion, so they may get a cooler name.I'm thinking of some four legged gun platform types or something like Perturabo's iron circle to form a wall, with jump automata and legionaries leaping over the wall to do battle.I think I'll include them in Praal.>Reductor Covenant [name]Pretty standard Ordo Reductor stuff, I guess, but more rad weapons and stuff because they deal with weird bio xenos stuff more often than the average covenant due to the XVth.Really Stovokor's stuff is heavily influenced by the fact that they're so close to the Ghoul/Halo stars. Paranoia and the stars being right may be Tindalos' gimmick, but Stovokor is no stranger to the things that lurk in the outer darkness, so they fight really dirty.Stovokor sets up watch stations called Dzongkha (which is where Gyahdred gets the idea from). The most remote ones are little more than sensor relays to detect incoming fleets, but as you get closer, they're bigger fortresses, useful less because what they protect is useful, but because they force the enemy to fight through them to get to Stovokor. Theyre there to stall, really, and provide anchors for counter attacks.I'm thinking they also do a lot with portable void shield generator and flare shield arrays, technology shared with the legion.
>>53783018Actually on that topic>Kill TeamsI'm thinking Gyahdred basically invents the Deathwatch Kill Team in this universe, though they're just part of the legion and deployed en masse. They're distinct from the Nosferatii.They evolve from earlier mechanicum kill teams from Stovokor.Typical armament is something like a boarding shield and a shotgun with specialist ammo and a nasty ccw. Tbc
>>53735739>>53776720>>53778090And finally >What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra: Valorn slowly grows tired of the interpersonal politics that his brothers in the separatist Imperium begin to practice. This comes to a head after Rokuten's attempt on Frederick's life. Valorn views that the political machinations of his brothers have blinded them to the dangers outside their Imperium. He believes he and his sons can better serve the Separatist cause by escaping the political backstabbing that he thinks is beginning to infect their Imperium. Thus, he vanishes from the Separatist Imperium, along with many of the Hounds' best Claws. Few know to where. Some few individuals however, are aware that Valorn intended to travel to nearby Gorgomonger controlled territories and start a war between them and the Separatists. Valorn believed this would unify the separatists against a common foe and put a stop to their bickering. I say "Intended" because, in the several millennia since Valorn's disappearance no such war has occurred (at least, not one started by Valorn). This is due to the fact that Valorn hasn't gotten there yet and is still traveling through the warp. After Valorn's disappearance nominal control of the Hounds passed to the descendants of Guragol. The fact that they were now technically controlled by mortals caused a small number of Hounds to strike out on their own, forming smaller chapters, independent of the Pale Hounds themselves, though not of the separatist movement as a whole.
>>53783523Back. Not sure what the Kill Teams will actually be called, but they're sort of like veterans, though seeker squads would also gain additional ammo types and stalker bolters.The Kill Teams would be the ones armed with things like the frag cannon, ie 4 guys with shields and shotguns and one guy with a frag cannon, etc.Typically, they're deployed out of a transport like a Mastodon or the like. They work closely with destroyer squads and are often deployed in concert with them, They may also hitch a ride in an early model Corvus Blackstar.The Legion's elite CC unit is jump pack mounted, I think. I'm thinking the Jump Pack units tend to either be used as ambushes, deployed from stormhawks en masse, or follow behind the armored forces. Even as the tanks and infantry open fire, the jetpacks shriek as the assault squads move in for the kill. The elite jump pack dudes have massive thunder hammers, rad grenades, and, if they could get away with it, banshee style shriekers. As it is, I think I'll come up with a Sanguinary Guard Death Mask equivalent.They sort of have a wrathful deity wisdom king feel to them and in battle they pick out the largest monsters and go to work.
Here's a crazy idea: What if Hashut starts out as a greater daemon during the Heresy and uses Mot Hadad to reach apotheosis?
>>53786341I think it sounds decent.Other big topic.What causes Isekho's toxins to go awry? He's not yet chaos yet.
>>53786554Some bad mixing? Too much heat/cold?
>>53786569That makes them sound like they don't know what they're doing. THese guys are specialists at using this toxin, they aren't liekly to make a silly mistake like that. Or at least thats how I see it.
Primarch GradesHi, for comparison sake, let's assign a grade to our Primarchs. Let's use s scale relative to themselves, not standard humans/Astartes. From 0 to 10, being 10 the maximum. The following is to be answered:>Melee >Shooting>Leadership>Loyalty to a cause>Friendliness>Love for his troops>Love for general populace>Height>Strength>Psychic skillsIf anyone wants another part added, tell me. Will compliment mine after dinner
>>53786647>6>8>8>3>1>2>2>8>7>1Does that seem good?
>>53786601So im currently writing about a character called Inukat. He is play sort of a diplomat/stratergist kind of character. I was wondering if he could maybe be corupted by chaos and start setting out events that lead to the legions corruption. He would be a little like erebus was in HH. Dunno how you guys feel about this?
>>53786647Well, by definition if the scale is relative to themselves, everything will be 10. Your skills are always as good as your skills are, relative to your skill in that skill. :P
>>53786677For clarification:>Melee 6>Shooting 8>Leadership 8>Loyalty to a cause 3>Friendliness 1>Love for his troops 2>Love for general populace 2>Height 8>Strength 7>Psychic skills 1
>>53786647>Melee 8>Shooting2>Leadership4>Loyalty to a cause8>Friendliness10>Love for his troops9>Love for general populace9>Height2>Strength10>Psychic skills6
>>53786704I didn't meant that, but yeah, technically is true
>>53786647>Melee 10>Shooting4>Leadership8>Loyalty to a cause9>Friendlines6>Love for his troops7>Love for general populace5>Height10>Strength8-9>Psychic skills4
>>53786677>Melee Isekho would be very good at melee so im guessing in the higher end of the scale as this is his only combat method. (9?)>ShootingIsekho doesn't use any guns or anything so probably very low if not the lowest. (1)>LeadershipI would say probably quite low. The smoke stalkers are quite independant amongst them seles so i would think that leadership isn't that important to them. (4)>Loyalty to a causeWhich one?>FriendlinessProabably amongst the friendliest. (9)>Love for his troopsIsekho cares for and respects his troops. So again probably the higher end of the scale.(8)>Love for general populaceHe is rather indefferent about the average imperial citizen.(5)>HeightNot that tall or short(6)>StrengthIsekho relise more on attack spped than strength.(4 - 5)>Psychic skillsNot too sure, was thinking he may have a slight bit of unknown psychic-ness which helps him with the blindness. (5?)
>>53786647These are relative to the other primarchs and not in general, right?
>>53786594I think you're right.Chaos infiltrators does seem to be making sense. Depending on when Inukat goes, it could be him.>>53786647>Melee7? He's not the BEST DUELIST EVER, but he hits like a macro-cannon shell and he's got a whole bunch of arms. He's also far more graceful than he has any right to be. Like a big, angry Tibetan General Grevious-Yeti.>Dakka6/7 He's got a lot of dakka, but he's not as dakka as Kane or Raj. But he's got a Perturabo level servo harness.>LeadershipIf you're Mechanicum, then he's like 10/10. If you're human, then like 4/10>Loyalty10 He's the unsleeping defender of the imperium.>Love for his troops10 Loves those little bastards. But he kind of Ferrus Manus-y about it. He's an introvert.>Love for the general populaceIn the abstract? It's a 10. In terms of actually going out of his way to worry about individuals, it's minimal unless they're noteworthy. So like a 2? Call it a 5. Boom.>Height7 He's big.>Strength8/9 He's big and he's got mechanicum shit.>Psyker AbilityPfft. Though if all the Primarchs have some hidden psyker potential, then his is something to do with data visualization and making uncannily accurate projections.>>53786830I think so, Otherwise they'd be like 10's across the board.
>>53786647Linares:>Melee: 10>Shooting:6>Leadership:8.5>Loyalty to a cause:9>Friendliness:10>Love For His Troops:9>Love for general Populace:7.5>Height:10>Strength:9.5>Psychic Skillz0Also, adding:>Strategical Thinking:8.5>Tactical Thinking:9
>>53786827Lowest is 0, actually.>>53786830You can do it both ways if you like. See, height and strength can be relative to others, while Psychic Skill can be absolute.
>>53786905well i bet he can shoot better than an ork
>>53786948Then 1 is fine, I suppose
>>53786866Oh, whoops. >Friendlyness3 He tries. He's more successful than Einchurt. He's nicer than Perturabo? He's introverted, has a really weird reputation, and does some really weird things. And he's keeping a big secret. And he was raised as a forge world's Dalai Lama. He's just not worried about socializing, but his friends mean a lot to him and he's ultimately "nice". He has that whole weird relationship with Einchurt because he respects him, even though he thinks he's going about things in an inefficient manner.
>>53786972I don't think any other primarch is gonna be as bad as 1, but if so then it can be droped down to 0.
>>53786756Pacha should be much taller.
>>53787031Nah, is good right now.
>>53786647>>Melee 4>>Shooting10>>Leadership7>>Loyalty to a cause9>>Friendliness9>>Love for his troops7>>Love for general populace7>>Height4>>Strength6>>Psychic skills1
>>53786647>Melee10 (Emil is absurdly swift with his force blade, using mechanically enhanced reflexes and psychically boosted strength to gain the upper hand in nearly any close-quarters fight.)>Shooting1 (When Emil must engage in ranged combat he simply lashes out with bolts of force. This is by far the crudest use of his powers however, and he neither enjoys using them this way nor is particularly gifted in doing so. The Hive Cities of Nonimat IV were too cramped to really learn how to use ranged weaponry, and there was no need to train those skills.)>Leadership9 for his Legion, 5 for dealing with others. The Steel Souls are linked on a far more fundamental level than most Astartes, and Emil sits at the hub of that mental network. He feels ripples and echoes of what his gene-sons feel even from a great distance, and so can respond quickly and accurately to their needs. These skills only partially transfer when dealing with non-Legionaries though. Emil does not often pry into people's heads without consent.)>Loyalty[VARIABLE](Emil is extremely difficult to pin down. He has many different agendas, and switches fluidly between them in public and behind closed doors. Some Loyalists believe they could being Emil and his Legion back into the fold if only they found the right incentive, some Separatists wonder if Emil's truly on their side. And vice versa.)>Friendliness4(While rarely hostile or aggressive, there is always a certain distance between Emil and most people. This can be overcome, but it takes effort.)>Love for his troops10(As tightly bound as the Steel Souls are, it could hardly be any other way)>Love for general populace5(Emil is largely neutral. He's seen good and bad in many places on many worlds)>Height10(He's quite tall and fairly slender for a Primarch. Although with cybernetic limbs, Emil's height isn't solely due to genetics.)
>>53786647>>53787929>StrengthVery High?????(Emil's limbs are machines and his psyker power flows through every inch of his body, bolstering him like a living Force Weapon. He's extremely, EXTREMELY strong in melee, but interpreting that strength is difficult. Strong, but not in the same sense as other humans.)>Psychic Skills11(This is Emil's specialty. He's a masterfully gifted Biomancer, Diviner, Telekinetic and Telepath. He strongly favors defensive powers though, not trusting himself to cut loose on the attack. Aside from "empowering" himself and his weapon of course. Extremely skilled at projecting walls and shields of force.)
>>53786647>Melee 6Despite being a renowned warrior on his homeworld, Rokuten ain't shit as a primarch.>Shooting6>Leadership10Rokuten commands the respect of armies not just through his status as primarch but also his competence in diplomacy and leadership.>Loyalty to a cause3 Yeah, he's not a very loyal man.>Friendliness8Very easy to get along with as long as you're not prying into his plans for galactic domination.>Love for his troops6They're good pawns.>Love for general populace6They're also good pawns.>Height9Even among primarchs he's a big guy.>Strength7 He never skips leg day in case he needs to run for his life.>Psychic skills0
>>53786647>Melee 8>Shooting5>Leadership9>Loyalty to a cause7>Friendliness9>Love for his troops10>Love for general populace10>Height8>Strength7>Psychic skills0>Strategical Thinking8>Tactical Thinking8
>>53789047Oh, Before I forget! It's me.
>>53786647I think if you do something like this you need to set a point limit. Like have the 10 stats or whatever then say everyone has 50 points or so to spread across them. The Primarchs are all equal after all but with specialties in certain areas.That said I'll fill this out a bit later.
>>53786554I don't reckon Isekho wouldn't have much experience with gassing Space Marines. Basic and commonly used mixtures might not work on Pacha's troops, so something stronger must be produced. At that point it's pretty easy for Chaos infiltrators to alter the mix/deploy something that causes a terrible chain reaction when combined with the new gas. Or perhaps the Smoke Stalkers just over estimated a space marine's poison resistance and produced something that is WAY too strong?
>>53789397*would have experience gassing Space Marines
>>53789340Somehow I don't think we need to go as far as basically making [PRIMARCHS: THE CYOA], lol.
>>53786647>Melee I'd put Lambach at around a 7 normally, when he actually uses his psykic gifts though I'd bump him to a 9.>ShootingHe doesn't shoot much but does have a pistol made by Raj, he'd probably be 4.>LeadershipThis would probably be 5, while he is a good leader he prefers to leave warmongering in the capable hands of Kaden.>Loyalty to a causeBefore Nikea He'd be about 8, after that though...>FriendlinessDefinitely Lambachs main character focus so probably 9, maybe a 10.>Love for his troopsThis is an easy 9, Lambach's entire reason for turning chaos is because he felt his Father wasted Lambachs sons.>Love for general populaceProbably a 8, Lambach originally like the people, but feels far removed from them.>Height5, Lambach is of an average height so 5 is middle of the road?>Strength6 maybe, Lambach relies on a mixture of Strength, speed and skill rather than out right brute force.>Psychic skillsAbout an 8 here I think, He is powerful but there are certainly others that are better suited.
>Melee 4. Sure, Zelby has a sword, but it's by no means his main weapon.>Shooting7. Heavy bolter and flamer are where it's at. He's a mid-range heavy hitter.>Leadership8. Imposing structure on stuff is his closest approximation of "having fun". He's written books on the subject.>Loyalty to a cause10. That's where his true strength is. Give him an order and he won't report back until even the mold in the basement has been killed.>Friendliness2. Definitely in asshole territory, with the tact of a barbed fence.>Love for his troops6? Post-heresy it goes down until even his legion can't stand him.>Love for general populace3. Freedom is just an alien concept to him.>Height7? In the taller half but not by any means a giant.>Strength7. Gotta absorb that recoil.>Psychic skills0.
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