The Thread When the Warmasters were Confirmed Warmasters Triumvirate is an attempt at creation yet another 40k AU. The Primarchs have changed, and instead of appointing a single Warmaster upon returning to Terra, the Emperor leaves the Great Crusade in the care of three of his sons. This eventually culminates in a civil war between Loyalists, Chaos Traitors and Seperatists... Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEMPrevious thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/53298379/Things to work on:>Fluff out the Sepratist Movement as a whole>Begin work on the Auxiliaries of all the Factions>Fill up the three factions as evenly as possible>Continue fluffing out the legions we already have>Decide on who the three Warmasters are>Make sure the Chaos Gods are properly represented>Work on the Relationship of the Primarchs
With my duty done at 4am. It is time to sleep
>>53336365Maybe add an extra column to the spreadsheet for Primarch Warmaster potential and a Y/N so that each faction can get to voting for their warmaster?
>>53336365Radcliff Kaden: Born and raised on the planet of Miletus Radcliff Kaden served in the temple of Bellona, the planetary temple dedicated to training soldiers. Kaden excelled in all martial forms and at the age of fourteen became one of the youngest people in Miletus' history to join the ranks of the Temple Guard, Miletus standing PDF.Shortly after the Emporer gifted the VIII Legion to Lambach Kropor the newly appointed home world went into recruitment overdrive in an effort to replenish the diminished strength of the Chosen of Hecate. Radcliff signed up immediately.He rose quickly through the ranks and displayed a keen mind for strategy. Swiftly gaining the rank of Captain despite lacking any of the psykic potential that usually lead to a son of Kropor being shown favor. With his keen mind for all things military Kaden soon found himself increasingly in the company of the Primarch discussing battlefield plans and was a favored opponent of the Primarch in games of Regicide, without even realising, Radcliff had become Lambach's seneschal and when the previous captain of the 1st company fell and needed to be replaced there was no doubt at all that Radcliff would take the position.Also I wanted to make his hair brown but can't figure out how to do it in chapter generator.
>>53336392When you wake up, I'm curious to see what you think.
So to keep elaborating the XVth a bit, I definitely am keeping that idea of the oceanic forge, or at least a world subject to a local forge world.I'm imagining it's geologically active with massive volcanic arcs. So small forges and industrial sites, but it's not particularly built up, in part because the oceans are used for aquaculture. The sea monsters have been culled, but are left to harden the tribes that inhabit the vast majority of the surface.The primarch is found, grows up with one of those tribes and is eventually noted by the mechanicum who take him to the primary forge world in the domain and ordained. Brief schism that he puts down.Forge world is loyal to him first, Emperor second and the forge evangelizes on his behalf. This causes problems since the Emperor is not happy with this. The primarch tries to make nice, perhaps by making obesiance before the Emperor, but it essentially alienates a number of forges from the Emperor, who see the Emperor as jealous of his son who is omnissiah.The primarch tries to keep the peace, but it all comes in handy during the schism.
>>53336704In the branch of Primarch relations perhaps I could have the Tide Breakers Primarch craft a spear for Lambach, something more fitting to a Primarch rather than just a standard spear from his home world. Can fluff it up a bit?
>>53335656>How do they survive?I'm seeing this question come up quite a lot. I feel that it's not such a difficult conundrum to solve. If the Separatists form a smaller, tightly-knit nation then they would be able to maintain their dominion through localised strength of arms even though they lack the absolute strength of the other two factions.The Imperium is huge and though it's resources are vast they are not limitless. Any time they build up for a strike those forces have to come from somewhere. New regiments have to be raised or drafted or they have to take troops from less important conflicts. This in turn leaves areas with lesser defences and open to the predations of pirates, renegades and xenos.Consider the Damocles Campaign against the Tau: It took centuries for the Imperium to turn their attention to an expansionist aggressive race simply because there where other more major concerns. So long as the Separatists are a lesser/equal threat during the Heresy then it seems unlikely that the Imperium would be capable of amassing sufficient force to destroy them without risking the whole.
Hi again, there was a drawfag that accepted my request for a portrait of Linares, do you know what happened?Also, how is the Secession discovered? Do the separatists suddenly fire upon Loyalist Astartes? If that's the case, maybe the Silver Blades could be the ones fired upon, suffering extreme casualties, as their fluff says. Thoughts?
>>53336987About the Seperatists, I've read some good suggestions, so let me write down some key points of what how I think the Seperatist should and could work:>Higher tech level than Chaos and the Imperium>Tech does come at a cost, with unbound technology having destroyed countless lives>Xenos auxillaries, not as allies, but as slave races>The Seperatists set up a confederacy, where they all claim a number of systems for their own good, but with the Warmaster funtioning as military high command>Smaller than the Imperium, which works to it's advantage, especially if they're a confederacy, since they can govern themselves much smoother.>>53336704I'm not entirely convinced of having him be so closely related to so many forgeworlds. For one, W3 already has two Primarchs with heavy AdMech links and a nack for mastercrafting, Mot and Raj. Second, the Primarch getting Forge Worlds that are directly loyal to him really makes me think we're retreading Marcus Sinistrum here.
>>53336987>>53337150But how do we get a 3-way brotherwar if one faction plays the reclusion card.Really, guys, the separatists should have superior numbers. Not by marines but by human axuiliaries. Why? Because they went to the eastern fringe, and the eastern fringe is YUGE. Lots of worlds to be made compliant during the 31st millennium. And those worlds only know about the Emperor by word, but they all seen the Astartes and Primarchs of the secessionist expeditions.Also the disparity between conquering so many worlds and not receiving proper recognition or rights is the perfect reason for the expeditions to go secessionist, since it was basically how Horus fell in the canon heresy with the difference that this time, the Chaos Gods don't push the Warmaster over the edge.We need every side actually involved in an ongoing conflict that ends with the Emperor getting wounded to near-death. The actual stalemate of a stagnant Imperium, an unorganised mess of chaos warbands and a slowly expanding yet equally failing secessionist formation can be focused on "after" we got this brotherwar done.Reposting my idea from I think thread 3 because so far nobody has called me a big, steaming pile of shit for brains for suggesting it.
>>53337246I've liked that suggestion from the very start. Couple of points on my end, nothing big:>Once the Emperor assigns the Warmasters and returns to Terra, he should completely pull out of the Crusade>Maybe Chaos in some way, perhaps indirectly, sets off the Seperatist, but I'd prefer for them to decide to secede on their own>Since all the factions have 7 legions now, there really isn't a 'smaller expedition' in terms of legions. I still like the idea of the Seps starting off the war, with Chaos showing up later on though.Otherwise, I agree with pretty much everything you said. The Seps having more men through auxiliary forces, Imperial Guard regiments and Xenos slaves(?), seems very legit.About the three fronts though. I take it that only the three Warmasters' legions are permanently assigned to a front, while the rest moves around more? It'd make sense to keep a legion on a specific front for military reasons, but it's kind of boring from a story perspective, as the legions would barely have interacted with those outside their front/eventual faction.
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>>53336934That'd be pretty cool. I'm thinking that perhaps while the XVth is anti-psyker its more less the reaction of UNCLEAN WITCHES, but is more a strong aversion due to the inherent risks. I'm not sure what SepMech was thinking, but I'd imagine a technophile would be more likely to see psykers as a technology and the XVth probably sees it as equivalent to having citizens walk around with atom bombs, so at Nikea their response is more akin to "Holy shit, guys. Have you seen what happens when powers go nuts? This whole perils of the warp deal? cont>>53337150>SinistrumThat's a fair point. This said, I think the moment we have a Primarch from a forgeworld and inducted into the Mechanicum, you're going to see a faction gravitate towards him. The difference between this guy and Sinistrum (you'll forgive me if I change his name from Octavius Vect) is that I think Vect is trying to avoid being machine pope. I'm imagining him as really not being terribly comfortable with all that. I think he's got a similar view of the Mechanicum to Sinistrum "Machines allow humans to become more human", but I think he's also hardcore in favor of what he sees as the Emperor's vision of an enlightened humanity, and as a result really dislikes the dogmatism of the Mechanicum. I'm thinking that during the ramp up to the heresy, he's in the camp of the likes of Koriel Zeth, but post heresy, after seeing the Dark Mechanicum, he grudgingly comes to accept there is a role for the machine canons. But it's this attitude that, in part, leads to the innovation of the separatists.I'm thinking that essentially, he goes from a techno-utopianist to a mad scientist out of Rapture or the like.(I have to say I like where SepMech was going with this and I think his themes match pretty well with my own, but I think the fact that SepMech gave him titles like "Fabricator Marshal" without ever having heard of Sinistrum does point to a degree to which some of this is inevitable.)
>>53337246>>53337150I see a clear way for a surplus of numbers to become the latter.Grégoire de Mouveau is the current suggested Warmaster of the Separatists and has a unique relationship with the Astra Militarum that gives his legion unprecedented authority over a vast number of human auxiliaries, should they choose to exercise it. This allows the Separatists to start the Secession with access to the majority of the Imperium's human auxiliaries.But we must remember that the Legiones Astartes were the deciding factor of the Great Crusades and the Horus Heresy. With the Separatists only possessing three or four legions to start with, the remaining legions would gradually begin to reclaim territory from the secessionists. The Astra Militarum cannot stand up to Space Marines, even if when led by the Sons of Sovereignty.Confident that their absence will not be noticed, some of the loyalist legions withdraw from the front lines and slow the advance of Imperial forces into Separatist space but it's still an advance - until the absent legions return as the Traitors and assault the Imperium on a second front.With the Heresy in full swing, some of the loyalists are left in a difficult position. Some may choose this point to cede and join the Separatists while others might turn Traitor during the great war. This is roughly the point where the Separatists might try to put an end to hostilities with the Imperium and lick their wounds, after being worn down for so long. Although they originally had greater numbers and a larger portion of worlds, by this point at least a third of them have probably been regained by the Imperium and they're in no position to keep fighting.This would allow the Imperium focus its undivided attention on the Traitors, who were expecting to face an enemy distracted and mired by war with the Separatists. The result could be an outcome that is similar to the traditional Horus Heresy.
>>53337379>>53337246I saw them call this Three Empires. What if it's Romance of the Three Empires? The Emperor is suddenly wounded and in critical condition. The war starts off with a fight over succession.I like that idea with the aux forces.>>53337400>XVth and Psykers...Their response is more that the imperium doesn't even understand the basic principles of how the warp works, so it's insane to go mucking about with it. Their recommendation is that they confine research to an Emperor managed research program.Part of it is based on their own attempt to implement a librarius which went horribly, horribly wrong.So I'm thinking he'd be down for making a spear for Kropor. This could well be a point of contention with Einchurt as well, who I'm thinking has a stronger view on the matter.Also how do I edit the sheet?
>>53337454I agree with most of what you've put forward. While I'm not particularly fond of the idea of the Seps having to call it quits at some point, it doesn make the most sense.>>53337400Very well, I trust that you'll see it through and come up with something great. I suggest changing the scheme to something without a lot of red, to show more distance from the Mechanicus than the Fists of Mars had. With the 20's horror thing you were suggesting, dark greens and blues might be the way to go?>>53337485Nah, the war really isn't one of succession. The Emperor should just get wrecked at the end of the Brotherway.
>>53337150Oh, one other thought on the Admech thing:Mot is traitor, Raj is loyalist. If the separatists are technologically advanced, I think they need technophile on their side and I think the three of them handle their technology in different ways.>>53337454I like this general idea. If we're not doing a war of succession, this seems like a good way to go. We could also have a Separatist legion go chaos and get booted from the team.>>53337655We'll see how it goes. Worst case, we can just rewrite. Honestly, with the whole ocean world background, I was considering a deep blue-green with neon blue highlights for that deep sea predator look.I had been goofing around with some color schemes and got pic related. I think it looks pretty cool. The problem is that it's damn close to the Behemoth Guard color scheme. If it's good, I think we can go with that, else I'll mess around with some deep colors.On the subject of the curse, I'm thinking it's some sort of degeneration. It may be as simple as something like the Curse of the Wulfen, where under extreme stress, astartes wolf out and go feral. Unlike the Spess Wulfs, though, it's uncontrollable. Unlike other curses, you can get better, meaning that sometimes a squad or even a company will come to after a battle and find themselves covered in blood and surrounded by corpses. Result is that the legion is highly secretive and tends to either fight such that this is no handicap or in such a way as to minimize the risk. This gives rise to a preference for macro-extinction campaigns and massed formations, the idea being that the legion gestalt will be harder to subvert. Means that they keep orderly ranks and all that jazz. Typically chant litanies and war sagas while fighting to keep in step. (ARE WE NOT MEN?)I'm thinking they're best buddies with House Orhlacc.Would be neat to have them keep the curse under wraps well enough that another legion fights with the goal of breaking their cohesion...
>>53337379Alright, Empy starts to come and then he pulls out.I think we can make Chaos indirectly involved with the secessionists simply by exposing their expeditions to chaos worship in the first place. Lots of unanswered shit that makes them question the Emperor's trustworthiness as they progress further and further away from Terra. A droplet in a sea, so to speak.And speaking of "smaller tendrils": We still haven't really set the sizes of the Legions in stone, right? We could make them all fairly small sized in the case of the actual chaos heretics. Loxodontii peak at ~100'000, but I wouldn't mind going down to say 80'000 - 90'000.About the fronts: I think we should go the military route. There's enough potential for inter-personal interaction there that we haven't exhausted, yet. Also, don't forget there's the great crusade up until the Ullanor campaign (or our own version of it) where there's not yet clearly cut expeditions, and where legions may interact with eachother who would not meet during the brotherwar.
>>53337816...thinking that doing so will cause their lines to fold, but instead gets an entire army to go werewolf on their ass. Perhaps it gets misunderstood as chaos taint by observers and is one of the reasons the XVth joins the separatists.>>53337853Could be that there's a major campaign shortly before hostilities break out, akin to the Rangdan Xenocides which reduces some legion's strengths.I think having some unexplained warp phenomena pop up would definitely be useful in shaking resolve.
>>53337816Since Raj is the loyalist technophile, and he dies during the Siege of Terra, that might further add to the Imperium's technological stagnation. Just something worth considering.I'd try to distance them from the Behemoth Guard. Their scheme is sweet, but part of the power of a color scheme comes from uniqueness.Are you actually going for wolves? That doesn't seem to be particularly connected to either the Ocean world or AdMech aspects. How are you planning on tying it all together? Or should I just wait until you've delivered your write-up?>>53337853Right, fair point. Speaking of legion numbers, I've put the Titan Marchers on 88,000. Considering the Marchers are a support legion and they'd be spread across all fronts, I think I should up that quite significantly. Anyone agree?
>>53337878Agreed. Empy gathers the primarchs and rallies the legions to squash a major threat, then appoints the warmasters, then fucks off to wank on the golden throne.>>53337919I don't think so, actually. Maybe up them to around 95'000, but I wouldn't go beyond 100'000, seeing how they're supposed to be a support faction PLUS, if I recall correctly, they deploy titans and knights? A single knight is probably worth around two squads full of space marines. Having those superheavies plus a large amount of marines is quite possibly a fairly overpowered combination.
>>53337919Well, I'm reworking it. See, my original idea was something of a schwarzwald planet. Planet Eastern Europe from Dracula. Idea was it was a subsidiary Knight World or something so you had fragments of archaeotech still functioning. From time to time, magi would come and conduct strange experiments beneath stormy skies. They'd have had sort of an eastern european feel. Knights of the Dragon or Knights of Lupus. All fits together easy. So here, I think SepMech has some really neat ideas that work with the archetypal thrust-- eg the ocean and tides as metaphors for the unconscious mind, and some good ones for this setting-- eg admech interactions, analytic attitude, so atm I'm trying to blend them together. The image in my mind is something like that famous picture of Nosferatu, and the techpriests have a lot of haggard Herr Doktor Rotwang. I'd kind of like to add some Caligari style mesmerists, but I am trying to respect SepMech's intention with regard to the anti-psyker attitude, though it may be that the original Librarius experiments resulted in Caligari shit, which is why they don't do it often.With regard to climate, I'm thinking much of the planet is coastal pine forests on stratovolcanoes, sort of like the Pacific Northwest, Japan, New Zealand, etc etc, so if you can think of any good monsters from there, let me know.So I'm thinking there's a few options for the curse:Choose an under appreciated monster-- Wendigo comes most immediately to mind, but they're not exactly coastal.Make up a word/monster-- Probably the best solution if we were writing a Le Guinn style scifi novel, but of limited utility in this scenario.Fishmen-- Good old Lovecraft. Turning into deep ones and all that. Catch here is that fish/lizardmen don't feel right to me when there's not an ocean for them to go back into, but it's growing on me as I think about it. It has to be done right, though otherwise it's Flying Dutchman. IN SPACE.
>>53337967Technicallly they deploy alongside the Titanicus and Knights instead of manning them themselves, but your point is valid. I've upped it to 95,000.>>53338025Jesus, this is exactly why I'm glad you're back. You've already put a lot of thought into it, looking forward to seeing your actual write-up.My suggestion would be going for Fishmen. It might be the most simplistic, but thematically it's the strongest choice.
>>53338025>>53338074Ok, so I lied. I think the Fishmen angle could work pretty well. You have an Astartes succumb and they track him down, a long limbed, pale, horror with far too many teeth. It lurks in the shadows, clammy skin changing colors to blend in until suddenly it strikes, bioluminescent patches lighting up, something like a Kaiju from pacific rim in miniature. You could have a really creepy scene where erstwhile allies are sent in to find a missing squad and all they hear over the vox is a mix of Pacific Rim Kaiju and Heptapod A.The most respected members of the legion are those who can do ambush operations without succumbing and they deck out their armor in bioluminescent patterns like the abyssal predators of their homeworld. Typically they also undergo surgery akin to that performed on skitarii, heavily dampening their ability to feel emotions, but protecting them from the worst of the curse. Maybe they have Thallax type servitors they command in their infiltration missions. Or maybe upgunned servo skulls/lesser skyllax. I'm imagining them infiltrating someplace and then beginning a cold emotionless hunt with cybernetic tendrils, sliding silently through the dark until they find their prey and then up go the colors and the killing begins. So respect tinged with horror.
Just a brief question: During the Great Crusade, how far along is the development of bolters and how widespread is the use of volkite weaponry?I ask this because one of my plans for making the Sons of Sovereignty's armoury unique is to have them use a huge amount of volkite weaponry. As in, roughly a third of the legion still uses volkite chargers as their standard assault weapon rather bolters.It's likely to be exceedingly expensive, but I'm hoping that's made up for by the fact that the Sons barely use any vehicles whatsoever, with dreadnoughts, whirlwinds and predators being almost non-existent within the legion.
>>53338150Hey, beats the Sky Serpent's Volkite Fetish, where they had heavy armor and volkites, with the justification being that they brought in artificers specially for making volkites. It made more sense in context, but I, for one, think that sounds totally fair.(In retrospect, I'd probably have had the Serpents take longer to get volkited up and a period with shotguns or something...)Also worth asking:Who invents the Razorback in this one?
>>53338201in the hopes of not sounding like a giant arrogant douchebag: Let the Loxodontii invent them. Rhinos and Razorbacks are a centrepiece of their tactics.
>>53338224Sounds good to me, I suggest you go ahead with that.
>>53336704You hit it right on the head with this. While I'm unsure of the "revearing the primarch as the omnissiah" is where I was headed it certainlyr reaches the same endpoint.>>53337400Again, a similar point; a technophile and progressive (by standard AdMech standards) I had Vect see the Warp as something out of reach of his control...for now. As for the naming and everything rlse it is entirely your legion now. I'm happy to see part of the original plan be held and I'm more than happy to write up whatever tech heresy you desire>>53338120>I see an elite guard with Power Tridents and bolt crossbows. >Fuck Yeah.
>>53338288Are you only interested in writing up bits and gadgets for the Seperatists? Because I'd been thinking about writing up something for a Rajah-pattern Siege Dreadnought/Terminator, but I'm really bad at writing pieces like that.
>>53338440Oh I'm happy to help! Wrote a dreadnought up earlier for the Silver Blades. Just give me an idea of what you'd like to see in it and I'll get to work.
>>53338457Basically, I'm just looking for a Dreadnought that has completely forgone any sort of melee equipment and is in essence just a walking siege weapon. I wouldn't know what kind of weapon's you'd strap to such a thing though.
>>53338515Meltas, Demolisher Cannons, Flamers, the usual things Astartes seige equipment (Ironclad Dreads, Vindicators, Leviathans, etc.) have
>>53338515So a walking fire support platform? Well really there's no upper limit of what you can have. HK-missiles on the back, autocannons or lascannons? Really it's more what do you want in the standard pattern.
>>53338515I see a Laser Destroy Array mounted on an the top of a squat, armless, quadruped dreadnought's chassis in my mind's eyes.
>>53338515Isn't that pretty much a Leviathan Dreadnought that has taken only ranged weapons?
>>53338711Well the Levisthan was not even really built by the mechanicus as it was by Terra and the big E himself. A lot of barely understood DAoT stuff that drove the people in them mad. I'm not sure if that's what's wanted as much as a dedicated support siege platform.
>>53338515Mortis dread? Is there a dude interred inside it?>>53338288How would a bolt crossbow work? I was thinking stake crossbows as a possibility.
>>53338795Could be a very hard to produce or even artificer bolter that instead of using the standard propellant to launch them (like a gyrojet) and instead uses an electric catapult (hence the use of crossbow arms to create tension) and the electricity activates the secondary charge to really get the stake moving. Slower to fire but are basically designed to punch through armor at short range.
I'mma make us a Discord server. Yay or nay?
>>53338829If it were all sealed from an environment it would also allow for the crossbolt (in theory) to be fired underwater as well.
>>53338844We've dabbled with the idea, and for now I think we're just putting our discord names in the sheet in case anyone wants to DM people.
>>53338859I agree on that.
>>53338550Missles and autocannons seem the most legit. The Marchers enjoy their explosions. Lasers are nice, but they do not weigh up against a missle.>>53338795Well, if it's a dread, obviously it's got a guy in it.
>>53338844Feel free to post a link, I'll join most likely, though I can't say often enough that the major discussions should take place here, where we can archive it. Discord's a good place to discuss the basics of inter-Primarch relationships.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G-goEGC8ovWuQsE5qNSvERCtg9el9QIgL1cSTeue3AA/editInitial copypaste from my 1d4chan page.
>>53338925As always, you might want to actually post a public link…
>>53337485Yeah I think That Lambach would share certain views, and he is big on being on friendly terms with the other primarchs.I guess it would be a good way of having the primarchs interact. As like a present of brotherhood? Or if you'd prefer go like Ferrus making Lorgars hammer, complete disdain?
>>53338515Sounds like a deredeo pattern dread to me.
Posting this again>Kothar Carnegal, Equerry of Mot HadadAs sergeant of the Ashari Brotherhood, Kothar Carnegal is Mot Hadad's right hand man and mouthpiece of the legion. Terran born, Carnegal is in a unique position to mediate between Hadad and anyone else should his gene-father be in a disagreeable mood. Some have said that Carnegal once convinced Mot Hadad that he was wrong about something. Carnegal was sent to Nikaea in Mot Hadad's place as the primarch was convinced that his attentions were needed elsewhere.What do you think? Too much like Kharn? What could I do better? I'm waiting to discuss the council of Nikaea until we decide what actually went down there.>>53336495Sure, what did you have In mind?
>>53339369The Kharn comparison isn't necessarily a bad thing. Mot is like Angron, they need someone to keep them in check. If anything, Kharn is one of the Heresy era's best characters.
Planet Master will be the death of me.
>>53339369Well I was fooling around with the idea of Lambach just using a normal spear from.his homeworld until 1 of his more techno / black smithy brothers decide it's not elaberate enough for someone of his nature. So I figured this would fall to Tide breakers or forge lords, and could be a good way to forge some character narrative.
>>53337070I was actually thinking about this aspect of your fluff and thpught about maybe merging it with my own.I said a few threads back that it would be cool if Linares and Lambach were friends but then Linares has to go full Russ on the CoH.What I was thinking is that initially, after getting over the regret of having to bring in 1 of his closest friends the Silver Blades initiate a fairly 1 sided fight where the CoH take heavy losses. Then Lambach unleashes his newest spell, the one that got him in big trouble and raises all the fallen Silver Blades and Chosen as zombies. Initally shocked the Blades still win the fight but lose huge numbers doing so while Lambach and the surviving Chosen escape to join the chaos warmaster. What do you guys think to that?
>>53339952I like it! Don't know how you or Silverish Guy would feel about it, and I don't want to push my own stuff too hard, but wouldn't it be possible for Raj, or atleast a decent chunk of his legion, being sent with Linares? I image a legion homeworld would be well defended and a Titan Legion wouldn't be out of place. Plus, it'd add to the relationship between Raj and Linares. Raj desperately needs decent relationships with his loyalist brothers, otherwise him staying loyal is kind of iffy.
>>53340550Yeah I certainly don't mind Raj being involved. Especially as I think He and Lambach would also habe been very close. I only worry about "hogging" all of the Loyalists attention. I do think it could be a very interesting time for Primarchs involved and gives us a few chances at cool storyline points.
>>53336365So, there was some discussion previously about exactly how the Separatists might come to be, and survive in a *plausible* manner. I have done some thinking regarding this. There's two phases to the Separatist existence, immediately during the Heresy, and then surviving long term to M40. Early on it's easy. If the Separatists just so happen to mostly be near any part of the Galactic Fringe (logically Ultima but could equally be any Segmentum to shake things up a little bit.), then they can simply hide in the shadows. They'd be pulling a Rorshach "The Imperium looked to us to save them, and we said... no." Chaos betrays the Imperium, it's like a 6v6 Legion fight or something (Heresy in miniature), and the Separatists simply pull back as far as they can and conserve their strength. That does require them to be REMARKABLY callous towards their Astartes brethren though. It also implies that they had some forewarning about Chaos (yet chose not to join and somehow got away with it), since if they break away and the other Legions *don't* fight each other, then the Seps get to go like 7 v 14+Living Emps, and are of course blown the FUCK out with no effort whatsoever. And do remember, if Chaos knows that the Seps know of their plans at all, it behooves Chaos strategically to stall and try to blow the whistle on the Seps! So the Seps have to get an inkling of what Chaos plans, without Chaos knowing they know. Later survival is of course much harder to justify. As we know, the Imperium beats back Chaos then there's that era of purging immediately after the Heresy where they reach the Imperium's *actual* peak. There is 0 chance the Imperium won't extend that period and also move against the Seps. A common threat will hold the Imperials together that much longer. >cont.
>>53341322We can handwave that Chaos doesn't lose so hard of course. But that's lame. We can handwave that the Imperials are so battered after the big fight to drive Chaos back into the Eye that they never get their feet underneath them enough to mount a credible strike against the Seps. That's more plausible, but still kinda weak since it implies the Imperium is already virtually impotent in M31. We can handwave technological superiority on the Seps part, which is weak as I've already described. But, there are two flavors of this, one more palatable than the other. The shit way is to say "There's a technological Renaissance for the Seps and they come up with all this bullshit-powerful stuff that the Imps can't match, despite having little more than a frontier-level manufacturing/population base". That is weak as fuck. And feels very wanky. The other way is to say that "We may not have been able to advance, but by simple virtue of *not* having been ground down in the fight for Terra, we still have all our Crusade shit, AND the technical documents needed to keep it running." IF we choose to argue technological superiority for the Seps, this makes the most sense to me. They don't go above and beyond, they simply don't backslide so hard since "Humanity's Library" only burned down once for them, to paraphrase that classic greentext story. It could also be argued that functional xeno alliances help keep the Seps alive. I will fight that with every ounce of my being, because that way lies the Knights Inductor and would signal the project's creative bankruptcy. Fuck that noise. >cont.
>>53341435Now, once the Seps have survived a little while, we can posit that given a "three way war", Chaos must also be much more active than in the OU. Lorgar and Magnus and them all sit on their asses for fucking ever and never do shit. If on the other hand our equivalents DON'T, then the Imperium can never truly strike at the Seps with their full force, lest the Eye pour troops into their flanks. This provides plausible justification for why they can remain stable. It also works in reverse, the Seps can never truly feel comfortable moving deep into Imperial space for the same reason. Very long-term, the Tyranids will arrive. This could go two ways. The Imperials could say "As you abandoned us, so shall we abandon you. The death of all Humanity is nothing compared to making sure you shitfucks don't get away with what you did." Then you have the Ultramarines Vs. Nids fight but scaled way up, and they probably hold. For a while. Alternately, the Imperials and Seps could reach a detente, saying "Fine. We still hate you. We still remember what you did. But you guys still have Volkite Weapons and Contemptor Dreads, we don't, Chaos is still a thing and your supply lines are far, far shorter than ours would have to be to fight the Nids. Maybe peace can be bought by a trillion Tyranid skulls."Bonus hilarity ensues if a particularly panicked High Lord/Lords falsify a "vision from da Emprah" saying that he will forgive his wayward sons if they defend Humanity in its true darkest hour because they're scared shitless they will be eaten by Nids. Double bonus points if somehow the Emperor *actually* weighs in on the subject. The wildest of all possible scenarios is if the Seps decide to take the fight to Chaos. Either because they care more about killing Chaos than their own survival (for some reason), or because they eventually tire of the Galactic Stalemate and try returning to the Emperor by closing the Eye. Plausibility is strained by this though. Thoughts?
>>53341571Also, dark brown + gold is a vastly better color scheme than I would have expected. Playing with random shit on the painter sometimes bears nice fruit it seems.
>>53341322>>53341435>>53341571I'd prefer a more active Brotherwar, with all three factions involved and fighting eachother, though the points you stipple out in regards to that. You say Chaos would probably hold off on going to war, but you have the keep in mind it's Chaos we're dealing with and logical decision making probably isn't their strong suit.I don't have as much issue with the Seperatist advancing in technology quicker than the Loyalists. You brought up the point that there's a good reason the AdMech goes through all the rituals they do and that the Seperatists would probably be in great danger trying to make rapid advances, but it's also heavily implied that the AdMech seems to go too far in their conservatism, much further than they really have to.I agree that the Seps shouldn't ally themselves with Xenos. Instead, they should conquer Xenos empires and turn them into auxiliary slave races.Plenty of other good points have been discussed in regards to the Seperatist and what they have to do and what we want them to do because it's cool. As usual, the best answer is probably somewhere in the middle, so I suggest reading back some of the discussion in regards to the Seperatist from the past day or two.Also, we still need a spiffy logo for the Seps, to go along with the Imperial Aquilla and the Chaos Star.
>>53342059>logical decision making probably isn't their strong suitThis is true, but I base my assumptions largely on what we see early in the Heresy before everyone's brains get turned inside out by the Gods. They're allied to Chaos, but there's a much greater sense of planning, purpose and unity amongst the Traitors than you'd expect when compared to M41 Chaos troops. Our Horus-equivalent would be well-advised to let the Separatists tip their hand first if at all possible, if he truly wants to topple the Imperium. That's all I'm getting at.
>>53339025For now, I'm thinking presents of brotherhood. Given Lambach is trying to be on friendly terms with everyone, I think the lord of the XVth would reciprocate.>>53338829>>53338845I like it and it totally seems like the kind of weapon they'd use. Give it a name like a Bolt Caliver or something, a mini-railgun kind of deal.Though guns work underwater just fine since they contain their own oxidizer. It's also why you can fire a gun (or bolter) in space. The issue under water is fluid dynamics since its so dense. If I'm not mistaken, slower projectiles actually get along better under water since the stress tends to turn regular bullets into shrapnel near the surface.>>53339369Seems good to me. As others have said, the Kharn role is an important one and offers a lot of dramatic opportunity.>>53341571>DetanteI like. I think it makes a good deal of sense. You get crusades and border wars that flare up, but they usually see chaos as the bigger threat.>Seps and XenosI personally liked the Xenos as slaves.>Seps and Tech and survivalI liked the argument that they have shorter supply lines and can really concentrate on being well defended and organized. Granted that requires them to get going. But as per >>53337150I also really like that idea with the Nids.>Brotherwar>>53342059I personally like a massive war of succession, to be honest. It gets all three sides at eachother's throats, with each Warmaster a viable candidate. It also has the veneer of history.In my model, the Emperor retires to Terra and either has some sort of issue in the webway and there's some sort of massive clusterfuck in the Imperial Palace or somebody (either separatists or chaos) attempts to initiate a heresy, the goals being different depending on the side. Either way, the Emperor gets wounded pretty early on and the war becomes one of succession.
>>53342471I'll write something up for it. Perhaps figure out a pattern name and whatnot.
>>53342471>>53342059Which xenos are you actually going to take as slaves though?Eldar/Dark Eldar? Good luck with *that*.Orks? Guaranteed slave rebellions when the Ork spores inevitably bloom inside your base. Also Wierdboys will occasionally fuck you from the inside.Tau? They don't even really exist in this time frame, nor are they likely to given where the Separatists are likely to travel. Necrons? Lol.Tyranids? Don't show up till very late. Also lol x2. Minor xenos races? Literally who cares, plus if they're any good for anything at all, it's going to sound very circlejerky. "Oh yeah these random xenos are just amazingly good at ______, yet we're the only ones who have access to them". Like if the Separatists had a shitload of Jokaero or something, people are going to call bullshit.Xeno slaves just... I don't think it's a good or productive idea.
>>53342471>>53342173>>53342059So I think it comes down to a question of motives.Loyalists are superficially easy. Pro-Emperor faction. The wrinkle is the other two.A major question is whether chaos starts off chaosy or not. Are the chaos legions corrupted by chaos at the beginning of their campaign? If not, what is their beef? Why are they rebelling?The other one is what the big issue for the separatists is. A bunch of primarchs got together and had an anarchist/minarchist reading group? Why does the Ancien Regime guy end up declaring independence? And what about it draws other primarchs to his cause?This set of issues, then, really gets in to why the loyalists are loyal.I think the best answer to this is to talk about our primarch's motivations.The Lord of the XVth (working on that name) splinters for a few reasons. I'm thinking he has a few differences in approach to his father. It's not a huge deal, more on the order of the Khan-- sort of like Leto II and Muadib. Means he hates the Ecclesiarchy when it develops.I think part of it is also that the casual cruelty of some legions like the Death's Heads bothers him. It isn't that he's not pragmatic, it's that he thinks the Imperium has expanded too quickly and the extremes are the result of chronic mismanagement. He believes that by taking a smaller realm and developing it, he can make a better place. This also isn't really a critical issue. I'm sure some primarch has an Ultramar or Jade Empire and the Lord of the XVth wishes to promote that idea. He also could try to set up one of his own. Problem is that his legion is always on the front and they're not people people. They're scientists and to an extent artists. So I think this is something he admires in Gregroire and part of why he's drawn ideologically to the Separatist cause-- smaller, more focused states are better able to work with their people and avoid the sorts of ruthless pragmatism that leads to the atrocities,..
I've been reading through these threads and I think the whole separatist thing with three sides is pretty interesting and I was wondering if I could throw ideas in.>>53342621Just having the slave labour in general is a good boost to the seperatists to help their production efforts against the imperium which has the more developed core worlds of the DOAT human civilization and great crusade
>>53342758Feel free to! Any ideas in particular?
>>53342621There's plenty of xenos on plenty of worlds, most of them just get fucked by humanity and don't get the chance to leave their world. It's perfectly possible for the Seps to take worlds with xenos populations and dominate them.>>53342734Considering the fact that the Seps take Horus' route of being disgusted with the Imperium and the Astartes' place in the world, it seems like Chaos would have to be Chaos-y from the start.
>>53342758But how are you going to meaningfully control those slaves? Think about who you're trying to put the whip to. These aren't half-starved humans with no natural weapons or psychic abilities, these are deadly species. And if we handwave it to say "well we just put some kind of brain blocker in them" then they're not even all that good as slaves. Servitors would do just as well if not better, and for cheaper.
>>53342778Yeah it seems to me there is a significant amount less "Death to the false emperor" and more "for the ruinous powers" among our Chaos forces, even at the start.
>>53342786orbital bombardment is a thing and even in the eastern fringe there would still be plenty of humans to put into place to hold whatever the whip would be during this time period
>>53342621Minor xenos. Less because they're good at things, and more because they're completely expendable. Stuff like tellarians or whatever.>>53342734...Again, it's not that he doesn't purge and the like, he just sees it as a massive inefficiency. He's envisioning Crusade-Era Ultramar or the Jade Empire. When he gets his own domain post-war, it doesn't turn out so well for a few reasons. Partly it's him and his legion. They're not suited to the task. They can administer well because they're astartes, but they'd rather be in the studio/lab/forge. Part of it is that everything has gone to shit and the fulfillment of his idea for smaller primarch domains comes in a world where there is no margin for error.Even this could have worked. If it was just civil war, he'd have been able to remain loyal. He believes in the Emperor. But the damned Symphonious Disciples have gotten into power. And they're setting policy. And that is unacceptable.And then there's also that minor note that some other legion, perhaps the aforementioned Disciples bumped into some fishman'd out astartes and thought it was chaos taint and got their rivals in the XVth declared Excommunicatus Traitoris.(Pending anon's agreement)So basically fucked and stuck in a sticky position, the XVth went with Gregoire.If it's romance of the three kingdoms IN SPACE, then they'll just support their candidate.
Hmm. Actually i think Xuns Idea of thr secession war makes the most sense. All fight for the golden throne. Having an empire somewhere on the galactic fringe is nothing. You want to sit on terra to rule them all. Otherwise you are a loser. Funnily something akin to game of thrones where terra is the iron throne ( nobody wants to ait on the golden throne -> speaking of which: how do they plan to keep the astronomicon alive IF the seps would win?)For the motivation of the primarch:As stated before Kane seeks power for himself to gain true freedom as ruler of his own empire. His men are important to that cause. Because of that he tries to invent tactics which ensures that the job is done and the men under his command survive. But whem givem the option of true power via khorne, he jas to decide if he drags his men with him in the darkness or not. We all know that he choses darkness and sacrifes his men. But he will not bend his knee. He did not bend it for the emperor and he will not bend it for khorne. He wants power but wants to retain his personal freedom.
>>53342778>Considering the fact that the Seps take Horus' route of being disgusted with the Imperium and the Astartes' place in the world, it seems like Chaos would have to be Chaos-y from the start.Have the Chaos traitors rebel first then have the separatists follow up.
newb hereif i buy a regular blue space marine box and paint them red could i play them as blood angels or is this not allowed?
>>53342891>speaking of which: how do they plan to keep the astronomicon alive IF the seps would win?Emperor is a puppet.
>>53342909They're the same models.
The chaos warmaster could influence the sep to stay away. But how? Actively trap them or should they work togheter and then the sepa backstab the chaos but also attack the loyalists? I would prefer the other way that the seps rebel furst and chaos backstabs thrm but the loyalists can't forgive the seps and continue to fight against them.
>>53342948First wave (Primarily Chaos, some legions aren't) rebels, Imperium enacts drastic measures, some primarchs don't like it, try to split away in a second rebellion, some primarchs from the first rebellion join them.
I'm on mobile so I can't edit the doc, but someone wrote that Mot is anti-psyker when he's really just indifferent. Hell, towards the end of the great crusade he might just have used a tiny bit of sorcery. Would someone please rectify that for me?
>>53343202Changed it to undecided/absent
Is there any room for more primarchs and if there is does anyone have a list of the ones that were created so far
>>53343297All the legions as of this moment have been filled in and i've been working on the SepMech (hence the name). So likewise all the Primarchs have been taken.
>>53343297We're unfortunately full at the moment. You'll find a complete list in the google doc in the OP. Feel free to stick around though, a spot might just open up?
>>53342948If we posit that the Chaos Warmaster is feeling pressure from the Gods to go ahead and make shit happen (as opposed to trying to get the Seps to go to war first to pre-weaken the Loyalists), then it would logically follow that the ChaosMaster might try to get those Legions he suspects are not *truly* loyal, yet not vulnerable enough to Chaos to bring into the fold without unacceptable risk out on the Imperial Fringes. 3 perspectives on one action:Imperials think the ChaosMaster is doing a good job encouraging certain Legions to really get out there and fight for the Emperor at the Galaxy's edge. Separatists think there's a stroke of luck, they have an ostensibly loyal Legion giving them the cover story needed to put some distance between themselves and Terra before they make their move without arousing suspicion.Chaos Legions of course simply congratulate their Warmaster on a manipulation well done, and prepare for open war in short order.
I have a question: Why is Mot Hadad Ashur's first choice for techy traitor?
>>53343464That could work, but I think it would require a lot of luck to pick the right legions. The Warmaster would also be expecting a quick victory, not sure how feasible that is, given the defenses of Terra.I also think if the Separatists were already planning something, and the Warmaster had an inkling of it, he could just expose them and use the ensuing purge to weaken the loyalist legions.>>53342999That's a neat idea. We could have the loyalist Warmaster go massively overboard in reprisals, that sort of thing.
>>53344464You put your Discord name in the sheet, by the way (if you have one)I think it would be efficient for us to talk out the Transition of the Legion. Plus with me basically being the SepMech writer (as far as has been established) you and I will probably be working closely.
>>53344464>he could just expose them and use the ensuing purge to weaken the loyalist legions.That's what I had said earlier, but everyone seemed to think that Chaos wouldn't do something like that because they're nuts.
>>53344490I can't actually edit the sheet.>>53344556Ah. Sometimes you just can't win. But yeah, I agree with you.So I suppose we need to pick a scenario. Atm we have:1. Chaos makes the first move--A. They send the Seps to the far side of the galaxy--B. The Seps are mostly alienated loyalists because Je'She has no concept of proportional response or civilian.--C. Seps splinter from Chaos after they see just how nuts chaos is.2. Seps make the first move--A. They're exposed by Chaos--B. They're acting on their own and Chaos launches their own offensive--C. Some of the Separatists fall to chaos.3. Romance of the Three Imperiums--A. The Big E is put into critical condition at the height of Ullanor or an equivalent. He's taken back to Terra in stasis by the custodes.--B. Something happens in the webway--C. The Emperor is knocked out fairly early and shit goes crazy from there.This is by no means exhaustive.I personally like 3A the most.
>>53344829I like 3C, because it introduces the possibility of a new and terrifying faction, led by a fearsome tyrant that brings even the Emperor to heel.Then again, such a creature would draw attention away from the Heresy.
>>53344900This is Rokuten.
>>53344829Not sure which one yet, but one of the 3s sounds pretty good. Though whatever takes out Big E has to be pretty major… also, I take the Emperor is just brought down, not outright killed yet?
>>53344900>a fearsome tyrant that brings even the Emperor to heel.It would be very dramatic perhaps, but where in the blue hell would such a thing plausibly come from? If there was a human at that level, someone would have noticed (or if they didn't it becomes a complete ass-pull on our part), and if it's not human... Well then. If Daemon then why do they need a Horus?If Xeno then why hasn't it "Beasted" everything already?
>>53345132>Emperor blasts Horus out of existance at the end of the Horus Heresy>Horus is thrown into another universe>He wants revenge…jk
>>53342875So spitballing on legion culture and names and shit, I'm trying to think of stuff at home in misty seaside pine forests with a hint of terror. Perhaps something like Ingmarr Hrelyeh. Another option is to use some Tibetan because the consonant clusters are insane. Khrobo Rgyal.Wardens of the DeepTide...Dawn Breakers>>53345082I think so, yeah, though if people want to kill him off, I guess we could do that, but that would be major.>>53344900>>53344829Actually one side effect of 3 would he that terra would be largely left alone. There'd be a siege once chaos comes out, but at first the Custodes would have it and keep it cordoned off. Just a thought.
>>53345132I'd been thinking of something like the Overfiend of ullanor. In one of the short stories, Wolf of Ash and Fire, an uberboss almost chokes out the Emperor until Horus intervenes. So it might be that our Warmaster is just a few seconds behind and while they manage to eventually defeat the Orks, the Emperor is knocked out of things for some time.
>>53345264Tibetan > the same Cthulu shit that's been used a trilion times before, 100%.
>>53344829If we did 3C I reckon it would either have to be either the war of the beast happening during the heresy or the Void Dragon waking up and wrecking some havoc. However, I'm not a big fan of the idea since it moves the focus away from the warring brothers, so I personally feel that Chaos should make the first move and the Seps take advantage of this to strike out on their own.
>>533448293aThe emperor is choked by that giant ork and this time there is no horus to sve him. Maybe there is Kane who die not help because if you are not able to defeat that ork you are weak and powerless amnd don't reserve to rule the Galaxy. The times have changed and you false emperor have grown weak
>>53345765Or maybe it was Rokuten and he didn't intervene because he wanted to be emperor.
>>53345962Maybe Rokuten died the very same day with a boot to the head^^
How do you all feel about chain-flanged maces and pic related as the Hadad-pattern mkIV "heresy" armor?
>>53346042I like chain flanged maces. Nothing can beat a good old morningstar smashing your helmet and leaving only an undefinable mess.About the armor: do we need it?
>>53346107>not chaining mortals to your armor and using them as meat shieldsDo you even chaos, bro?
>>53346042>ImplyingI swear I had an edit of this somewhere.>>53346039Rokuten can't die yet, he's Nobunaga!
>>53342471Well the brotherly gift sounds cool, I'll have it that until Lambach meets Octavius he has literally just been using a normal spear, nothing special about it. Octavius notices this and taking a liking to his friendly brother decides to give him an upgrade before they part ways, I can leave the name and any special properties of the weapon up to you to decide. After he receives the gift he'll make it his main weapon.
>>53346501If Mot ever received such a gift, he'd probably refrain from us hang it in lieu of his own self-designed weapon and inadvertently offend the gift giver.And Xun, are you ever on discord? I've been trying to message you.
>>53345201>Horus: Round two Father!>Emperor: Who the hell are you?
Anyone mind if I dump my porn here?https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BynF83YSw0MHbTB6TjhBdlBQZDg?usp=sharingjkjk It's actually my unused concepts.
I want you all to know that I'm taking SepMech's centaur contemptors, welding ten inch spikes on and equipping them with seismic mauls.
>>53346569is there a link for the discord? I had a look through the thread but can't find it.
>>53346801Ignore the Woytek Host and the SoB orders. The rest is good for shipping.
>>53346830Get ready to wrassle, loyalist.
>>53346879Lol. Now that's a blast from the past.
>>53346859I'm already friends with him, afaik there isn't a discord as of yet and I'm not sure we need one.
>>53346879Not if I have anything to say about it.
For the uninformed:Centaur-Pattern Heavy Dreadnaught:An initial Short-Production Pattern, the Centaur-Pattern Dreadnought was an investigation into increasing the survivability and fire output of a marine consigned to life within the confines of a dreadnaught shell. Built on an expanded Contemptor-Pattern chasis, the Torso was extended further back to mount both a stronger reactor as well as a pair of Senty-Pattern Automatic Shields. To better handle the weight of these additions, the Centaur Dreadnaught is equipped with a secondary pair of legs at the end of the Chassis. With this configuration the testing teams discovered a host of both benefits and drawbacks.First among them was the time it took an Astartes to become adjusted to the second pair of legs beyond those of a traditional humanoid. Secondly the drive trains on the rear legs were difficult to maintain and if they failed in battle the unit would be rendered immobile. The Last of the Draws was the major couplings in the shield banks were quick to overheat and an overreliance on their use could cause one or both shields to fail until the dreadnaught cooled off.Even with these drawbacks, there was no ignoring the benefits that the Centaur-Pattern provided; Among those being the creative use of the shields by interned Assault Marine pilots. By having both shields angled forward, the Dreadnaught could make use of its greater speed to plough through heavily defended positions, with ork gunfire spalling off the two shields like rain before sweeping aside swathes of greenskins beneath the blades of a massive Poweraxe. In addition more reserved Marines could make use of the incredible load-bearing potential to mount either batteries of heavy weapons or carry a squad of Marines into combat.
>>53347026>In addition more reserved Marines could make use of the incredible load-bearing potential to mount either batteries of heavy weapons or carry a squad of Marines into combat."Pick me up, Daddy!"
>>53347026Seems overly complex but ok.
>>53347070>overly complexThis is Zharr-Naggrund son.
As there are some doubts about whether the Separatists could pull off being the technologically advanced faction without looking like mall ninjas, let me write an attempt. Please keep in mind this isn't set in stone whatsoever, it's just an example of how I think the Separatists should be influenced by their technology.>Crippled during the last battle before the Separatists' retreat back to the Eastern Fringe, Grégoire's existence was one of constant agony. His body was useless and his mind was almost as feeble, unable to think through the agony. In desperation, the Primarch turned to the machine cultists that fled the Imperium with him and begged for a method of freeing himself from his mutilated husk of a body. Eager to preserve the life of the Warmaster, the Archmagi turned the method forbidden by Mars.>After years of reverse-engineering ancient devices created during the Dark Age of Technology, they developed a method of extracting the mind from the body and allowing it to live on as a machine spirit, unfettered by the physical world. Grégoire gladly took the opportunity to escape his ruined form and was plugged into the arcane contraption. When the process of digitization began, he screamed. His shrieking gradually transformed into a stream of ones and zeroes as his mind was transferred from flesh to machine. Grégoire had become the first digitized human consciousness in millennia.>But calling the process a transfer is a lie. If the Warmaster's mind had been copied precisely, it would have been a mess of nonsensical code that refused to function. Instead, a soulless neural network had been created, designed to simulate Grégoire's mind as accurately as possible. Yet there are some aspects of humanity that a machine cannot understand and the digitized Warmaster was different from the man he once was. He valued logic and efficiency above all else, even in himself. With every day that passed, Grégoire's 'optimized' his consciousness further.
>>53347397>Meanwhile, the Warmaster led his legion from the machinery he dwelt within. As Grégoire aged, he required more processing power, more memory, more data storage in order to function. Years became decades and the chamber he occupied became a hall. Decades became centuries and that hall became a palace. In the meantime, he gave the most successful Sons of Sovereignty the 'privilege' of being digitized as he had, so that their wisdom could be immortalized. They became a ruling caste known as the Éternel, with Grégoire as the first among them.>By that point, the Warmaster had stripped himself of any vestige of humanity. For all intents and purposes, he was no longer any different from abominable intelligence. He saw no purpose to existence but the continuation of existence. Every action that Grégoire took, however minuscule it might have been, was devoted to the perpetuation of his existence. Other Éternel followed suite, shedding their empathy and humanity as they aged. By the end of the thirty-first millennium, the Sons of Sovereignty had become dominated by machines masquerading as men.>By the beginning of the forty-first millennium, the Sons of Sovereignty are slavishly devoted to appeasing their digitized progenitors. The Éternel rule from vast, labyrinthine complexes known as châteaux. The oldest châteaux are void shielded death traps that span hundreds of square miles, containing quantum cooling, fusion radiators, vacillating circuitry and swarms of maintenance automatons. They are not impenetrable however, as the Imperium has successfully managed to destroy a number of these bizarre fortresses. There has even been an instance of one being corrupted by Chaos.>The Sons of Sovereignty lost the war to preserve their humanity long ago without even realizing it. Led by soulless, maniacal simulacrums of their long dead heroes, this legion might speak of noblesse oblige and chivalry but these things are nothing but delusions of the past.
>>53347397>>53347412Sounds like Gregoire made the same mistakes as the silent king. I love it.
>>53347397Sounds pretty damn cool dude.
>>53347397>>53347412Eh, it's cool.
>>53347545>>53347544>>53347533Keep in mind, it's 100% not set in stone and I might not even go with it. It was just one possible example of how tech-focused Separatists can be done without making them tacticool operator superheroes.Thanks for the kind words though.
>>53347397>>53347412If they're part of the Separatists, it seems inevitable that either the other Seps will abandon them out of fear/self-preservation, or that Gregoire and his "men" will abandon the other Seps because they don't give a fuck anymore. It's not a bad idea, but most Marines aren't going to want to stick around to see what happens as an entire Legion starts digitizing themselves.
Also this has nothing to do with our thread but it just happend and I thought you guys might enjoy the story.So, I took my little fat dog to subway this morning, which I do all the time.When I came back to the car he had jumped into my drivers seat.So as I'm getting into the car I say to him : "Move it ya fat bitch". Now who should be walking past?Some rather generously proportioned woman.And she thought I was talking to her so she started screaming at me.I tried to say I was taking to the dog but she was too far gone.So I drove off and she slapped the bonnet of my car while I was reversing.
>>53347618I do have to wonder what they do to avoid immediate compromise by daemons.
>>53347631I see where you're coming from here man, it makes a lot of sense. But it could also be possible that after the initial seperation the seperatists split into sub factions anyway. Just like the chaos do. Often fighting amongst themselves. We could even take the approach of the seperatist side of the galaxy is frequented by rouge traders quite often in search of new, exotic tech and it is like a space pirate community of worlds that bands together whenever the imperium tries to press them. In my mind that makes them a bit more interesting than just a second Imperium as each faction is now free to explore thier own agendas without the shackles of the Imperium to hold them down, but also they are not exactly bad guys like the chaos are.
>>53347631>an entire legionSorry if I didn't make it clear that it was just the most successful, highest ranking officers of the legion.>abandon the other Seps because they don't give a fuck anymoreThe one thing keeping them around would be that basic principle I mentioned in there; the purpose of existence is the perpetuation of one's existence. Entities that have become cold, logical machines wouldn't take an action that would unnecessarily endanger them and abandoning a legion of Space Marines that's duty-bound to protect them is an action that would cause unnecessary danger.>the other Seps will abandon themThe point of this is to show that the Separatists can embrace technological advancement, if the advancement either bites them in the ass and causes a disaster they suffer greatly from or transforms them into a villainous entity in a tragic fall of grace. Each of the Separatists would likely endure some sort of technological horror, this is just what the Sons of Sovereignty variant could be.It's all valid criticism though and thanks for giving it.>>53347675Likely the fact that the digitized consciousnesses are soulless and have no connection to the Warp. Abominable intelligence shows no sign of being a magnet for Chaos corruption - it can be corrupted like any other machine but that requires either someone to purposefully corrupt the machinery with Warp energy or corruption through exposure to Warp energies, like the Men of Iron in First and Only.
>>53347618Something like this might make for a nice little side thing that the separatists legions will do not a grand wonder project but just one of several little things going on among them
>>53347747I was under the impression that for the Separatists above all else, it's a matter of "We shall stand together, or hang separately", since they lack a true central rallying point like the Eye or Terra, or the Gods/Emperor. Once they start fissioning, it's a very slippery slope to total collapse. I would imagine they'd be desperate to avoid that at all costs.
PROMPT:Post your legion's most embarrassing defeats.>316.21.M37>the entirety of the Forge Lords' eighteenth forge-fleet, known as the brazen mauls, realises into Imperial space only to be caught in the path of Waaagh! Chopdakka>the orks loot the forge-fleet's wargear and use it to all but destroy every forge world in the sector, rendering them useless to Imperial and traitor alike
>>53348253>Post your legion's most embarrassing defeats.That time Rokuten died.
>>53348253>308.M33The XX and XVII Battalions are destroyed by Imperial forces en route to muster. Imperial Navy elements successfully decoded VI Legion transmissions and ambushed the Companies after translating back into realspace for assessment after several weeks in the warp. 72.8% of Legion Naval assets were lost, along with 98.2% of Astartes crew members. Huskarls Ienrich and Deibermann, commanding Officers of the XX and XVII respectively, are removed from position due to their failure. Both are killed during the next campaign. Their remains are left unrecovered in shame. Hauptmenn Svaen and Klister promoted to Huskarl in Ienrich and Deibermann's places.
>>53348253It's not necessarily a defeat per se, but the time when the Legion realized that they had in fact advanced *past* where their Primarch was waiting to be rediscovered was kind of maximally embarrassing. Particularly when the Emperor had to call them up and say "Hey dumbasses, he's over here, we're waiting for you".Turns out planets are rather small and dark when they don't orbit a star.
>>53348546*BattalionsAlso I like Emil's idea of the Seps not necessarily advancing faster, but just having a bit of a headstart as their Crusade tech isn't 125% fucked after the Heresy. I'm also iffy on Xenos Slaves as Einchurt'd be more likely to try to gas them all, the dirty things...
Bump I suppose.
Should we talk about post-heresy legion cohesion? What, if anything, prompts the loyalist legions to split into chapters? Do the separatist legions split or do they remain at legion strength out of necessity? Do the chaos legions fracture as readily as they do in the OU?
Not really much I can do for the Ogre Legion's background until we sort out the general flow of the Heresy, so I'll write some new regiments that I didn't do for the other two AUs.
>>53350078My take on it is that:Chaos can't stay together because Chaos. Separatists can't break apart because they'll inevitably die a death of a thousand cuts from attrition. Imperials still form Chapters because Legions are too slow and ponderous to efficiently respond to threats from every angle. And of course "what if more Legions break and run?"
>>53350126>Separatists can't break apart because they'll inevitably die a death of a thousand cuts from attrition.Yes they can. Confederation.
>>53350155>What were the Confederate States of America?:PConfederations don't often respond quickly to the needs of their constituent members, they have too much freedom to ignore each other if it suits their needs.
>>53347618Hmmm if you don't go with it and set it in stone we might slaughter you
>>53347412That's pretty damn cool.>>53346899I'd actually used an anonymous account. I'll get back on there today.>>53345765>>53345962Both of those would work quite well and I think they add a lot.>>53348027>>53347747>Separatists hanging togetherI imagine that as long as the ruling class is Astartes or Magos they have cohesion since they'd be the ones to note strategic necessity. It may also be that they increase cohesion over time. If Gregoire is an AI, I can definitely see him setting up plans to operate over a few thousand years to bring the other Separatist zones under his control.It may also be the Separatists fortify their territory and are crazy hard to topple, but can't get their shit together for an offensive.>>53348253Lemme get back to you on that in a bit/the morning.
>>53348253I'd love to answer this one, but I'd need a legion to the Marchers to lose alongside of. Any takers?>>53350078>>53350126>>53350155>>53350339The one thing that pretty much always unites confederacies is their military. Working together in other regards is optional, though possibly recommended for the Seps at first.
Posting this again: Dies anybody know a sculptor/kitbasher who could create my primarch Or an artist who create a pic?Thx in advance
>>53352918Certainly not for free, that's for sure. I don't know a sculptor, and none of the artists I know would really do it justice, I think.
>>53352678With all the heavy ordnance at your disposal i could see some kind of friendly fire incident going on with your titans and another legion.
>>53352945THX man. Not for free of course. I can spend some money on a mini and better a non justice pic AS no pic. In all those alternate heresies nobody made custom primarchs? Was everything only headcanon?
>>53353018Well, there was a drawfag that showed up during the Hektor Heresy who made sick portraits, which you can see here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_HeresyLater on, while we were doing Imperium Asunder, the Hektor Heresy guys started doing their thing again as well. We got the drawfag to come over to the IA thread and made a portrait for one of our Primarchs, Xun Tohilcoatl.Then the drawfag left again, because the HkH guys were badgering him about changing the beards and moustaches on some of their Primarchs....
>>53352678The VI would be willing to take part in action alongside the Marchers. Although I'm warry of looking like total jobbers...
>>53353868Nah, it'll be the Marcher's failure, not the Death's Heads.What the leader of an expedition fleet called? The one in charge of a part of a legion, when the Primarch isn't around? My 40k lingo isn't what it used to be.
>>53354080Most Legions just use Captain for a Company leader and Chapter Master for a Chapter leader, although some Legions use their own lingo, like the Scars call Captains Khans and Chapter Masters Noyan-khan.Death's Heads call a Captain a Hauptmann, a Chapter master a Korpsmarshall, and have their own rank for Batallion command called a Huskarl
>>53354080That would be the Preator. And of course it is not in your 40k vocabulary. They don't exist there anymore. Chaptermaster is the highest rank in 40k.>>53353093What a shame. Some look really good.And for minis?
>>53354080It's typically just referred to as the expedition commander, from what I'm reading. They can be primarchs, praetors, lord marshals of the Solar Auxilia, pretty much any high-ranking individual from the legions or the Solar Auxilia.
If we go the Heretek-Separatist way, I can see the Iron Guard using nerve-stapling technology to finally rule over a compliant kingdom where freedom has been dealt with. A cortex-controller variant coordinating Tech-Thralls, something like that.
>>53354109Hauptmann & Korpsmarshall don't fit imho to Huskarl.If you take inspiration from german Wehrmacht, then this could be helpful for the rankshttp://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Soldat/Heer/Heer.htmOtherwise the ss-ranks could be helpful, although those might be a bit over the top.
>>53354298Oh, thank you!Change Huskarl to Oberst, I like that better
>>53354298>>53354109I'm personally glad I chose a French aristocracy theme, making pompous-sounding French titles is entertaining. You know you're dealing with a fancy fucker when he introduces himself as:>Monsieur Renaud Trousseau, Chevalier de l'Ordre du Canon.
>>53354412I may take insults as ranks^^
>>53354549For the Gunslingers I'd go for titles like Marshal and the like. Something related to the Law Enforcers of the Wild West.
>>53354646I See marshal bravestar incoming.Sorry for the double post
>>53354549That would fit better the SB I think. But no, I'm not taking them. >>53354646Indeed
>>53355111The ranks of the Silver Blades are the names of alcoholic beverages. The more alcohol content, the higher the rank.
>>53355160Hey, that's a cool idea!That or ancient spanish ranks, Tercio-age style. Dunno
>>53355197I'd say Spanish. Alcohol names are funny, but really silly.
>>53355213That would be cool. Ranksystem based on alcohol strength.Beer, wine,, Champagner, Wodka, rum, whisky , Bourbon, or the Name if Cocktails.Virgin colada, Brainiac, maithai, long Islands icetea, zombie
>>53355213This AU is intended to be serious?>>53355253Now looks silly AF
>>53355160Is Linares' title isopropyl?
>>53355213>>53355197Fine, fine. Middle ground:>The ranks themselves are taken from the Tercio.>The names of the Space Marines are Spanish names for various different types of alcohol.Leading to combinations of ranks and names like:>Maestre de Campo Pacharán>Capitán Ajenjo>Alferez CharandaIt's still a little silly but it's not absolutely daft.
>>53355315To be fair, Forge Lords captains will be named after captains of industry from the 1920s.
>>53355315I wouldn't burst out laughing immediately if one of those guys introduced themselves.Silly is fine, but it shouldn't be tone deaf.
>>53355279I prefer it being serious, personally. It's very difficult to write stories involving the interactions between the Ultramarines and the "AlcoFucker420Blazeit Brigade"/"Memerines"/"Insert_Videogame_Reference_Here Troopers", etc etc etc. You just kinda want to ignore those kinds of retarded shit and hope they go away.
>>53355315Will work on the matter. I'm working on different sections of the fluff right now.
>>53355419That reminds me of battles and relationships between the Legions. I know that the CoH-fag added some fluff involving Linares, I'm fine with that. We should try to do something more, involving different Legions. Maybe an important battle against the Orks, or a Compliance, with two or more Legions working together, something pre-Heresy.
>>53355419The alcoholism of the Silver Blades makes for fun enough flavour. I'd advocate them keeping it. It's nice to have some lighter, less serious legions. If the OU can have wolf vikings that go wolfing with their wolves, I'm fine with slightly squiffy tercios español.
>>53355483I'm not saying you can't have whatever you define as fun. I probably won't join in though. It just turns into lolderp every single time. Sometimes fast, sometimes slow, but that's where it always ends.
>>53355497I'm keeping my Legion's more "LoL" stuff at bay, don't worry.
>>53355497I think of it as an in-joke rather than their whole identity.
>>53355497Just saying, go full serious goes against the spirit of 40K, which has Space Wolves as wolf vikings with absolutely ridiculous naming patterns, White Scars as crude pastiches of Mongols with absolutely no complexity and might I mention Orks, who are frequently used as comic relief rather than genuine threats to the Imperium.Yeah, having full-out Beer Marines who do keg stands on the battlefield and play beer pong with their opponents is stupid. Having alcoholic tendencies as a minor and amusing feature of a legion that's primarily reminiscent of Spanish tercios? I don't see what's wrong with that.If the Space Wolves contain Bjorn Stormwolf, Wolf Lord of the Storm Wolves, guarded by the Wolf Guard, I see nothing wrong with names like Linares, Lord of the Ale.
>>53355682Agreed. Try to find something that's in tone with the rest of 40k. >>53355315really has the right idea.
>>53355682>>53355708I agree. First of all, Linares is my alter ego, and the Silver Blades my Legion. They represent how I am and the things I like. I'm not a full-serious guy, neither Linares or my Legion. They are like this, if someone doesn't like it, it may be a reason to start rivalries between the Legions. But I'm not changing much. I may remove some "Fuck" thingies, but not the love for Beer.
>>53355757Consider replacing the generic swearing with more characterful curses.If you want an easy way out, I recommend going with Spanish again. Instead of something as bland and crass as "fuck," consider punctuating the beginning or end of a lot of his sentences with "joder!" or "hijo de puta!" when angered. Be sure to speak about cojones a great deal, refer to others as cabrón and use "de puta madre!" to express great satisfaction.If you're a Spanish speaker, put it to good use with this legion. Again, the Space Wolves get to use a mish-mash of Scandinavian lingo for the Fenrisian language so there's precedent for it.
>>53356022Well, okay. I'm going with it.
>>53356022Also remember that swear words in 40k are already different from real world curses.
>>53355682>>53356022>>53356109>>53355315>>53355419Agreed. Full on Liquor names is going to look dumb, but having it as an in joke that's decently hidden works pretty well. I mean the whole Dark Angels thing cracks me up every time, but they also work as a serious legion.With regard to curses, I've always been fond of smeg and frak.>>53348599And see Einchurt, this is why we can't have nice things.>>53352173>>53348253Not sure who it's against, but this defeat, though not of particular strategic importance is regarded as among the most shameful in legion history. Possibly during the heresy. Aware of the XVth's reticence to engage in guerrilla warfare, another legion ties them down on either a massive space station or on a hive world. The ensuing battle is fought in the cramped conditions that prevent usual XVth legion tactics from applying. Each squad effectively on its own, the entire force eventually succumbs to the Curse of the Elver, dealing as much damage to the attackers as to the populace they were intended to defend.Potential Color Scheme.
>>53350339>What were the Confederate States of America?The USA but with slavery constitutional.>Confederations don't often respond quickly to the needs of their constituent members, they have too much freedom to ignore each other if it suits their needs.No they don't, otherwise it's not even a confederation.
>>53356109Not if you don't want them to be.
>>53350339>>53356839Besides, a more comparable organization would be NATO.
>>53348253>801.M30>Retuh's Compliance>IVth Legion against a bunch of fiends>Nearly wiped out by hundreds of thousands of them>Won the war, but recovering the loses took almost 10 yearsAlso, Kadir has been added to the Galaxy Map!>Kadir>Just over "Eastern Fringe"
Expanding the fluff of the Silver Blades:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t608XhyARQm0jg8zpEtVs-yJpU8EmPDbLEk-giB46dA/edit?usp=sharing
>>53357623Still a little too much "fuck," I'd try to get rid of that entirely if I were you. It's ultimately a very minor flavor complaint though and not very serious criticism. It will only start to matter if we ever get to the point of collaborative writing.Grammatical mistakes here and there but I can understand what's written well enough. The way you write is maybe a little casual and light-hearted for the setting but it's not a major crime. The theme and basic narrative seems acceptable and I see no problem with it as a whole. The only change I'd make is a basic rewrite devoted to making it a little more serious. It's hardly urgent though and as it is, it's a functional and interesting legion.
>>53357900Okay, I'll revise it!
>>53356824What do people think of the Crimson Tide as the legion name?Primarch: Gyahdred Khrogzigs, Son of Gesar Brgyadpo, The Erlkonig, The Wave That Destroys All, Master of the XVth(Should any Tibetan speaker ever read this, I apologize for my GW tier Tibetan.)Pic related, as a potential color scheme.Flagship is named Dorje or Hammer of the Deep.Gyahdred falls to Rgyamtsho, saving the knights of a minor magos-noble's army from a tidal wave as they assault a recalcitrant forge engaged in abomination.Gyahdred is raised by the magos-noble until he comes of age and is inducted into the Mechanicum, where he rises to power on the Forge World itself defending and improving its holdings. He repeatedly rejects attempts to declare him an avatar of the Omnissiah. Then the Emperor shows up and Gyahdred is happy to show them the Treaty of Mars. Not all the magi are so certain, resenting Martian control.In the mean time, Rgyamtsho is made into a proper legion fortress, just in time for the Rangdan Xenocides.Outside of that, the earlier description is pretty much what I'm thinking.Gyahdred is a quiet man, preferring his laboratory to public life. Completely believes in the Emperor's vision, as discussed above.Really the whole thing is quite jolly. Or so it seems. Rgyamtscho is a stormy, tempestuous world and there's a general obsession with storms and tides and the things that move in the deeps. In its links to the Mechanicum, it is starkly logical, as its its master, but deeper currents run beneath the surface. In most ways, things are harmless, like the impact of any world on the local legion, but during the first Rangdan war, things come to the fore. The Curse of the Elver becomes an issue, though apparently it is of no more concern to the Emperor than the Curse of the Wulfen in the OU. The taciturn legion becomes secretive. A paranoia develops as they fight the curse. Etc.
>>53358202>TibetansOn a Tibetan throat singing forumI don't think it's likely.
>>53358202Personally I'm not particularly keen on the name or scheme. The names are also a bit iffy imo. I get that you're going for Tibetan, but most of the names are such a mess that I literally can't even pronounce them in my head.Also, the Mechanicus didn't exist on humanity's remote Forge Worlds pre-Imperium, did they?
>>53358202>spelling those names consistently at any point everI predict a lot of people referring to your Legion, rather than any characters specifically.:PAlso, I was under the impression that in M30, there really isn't a Mechanicum, just Mars and a bunch of soon to be reunited industrial worlds with roughly a gazillion different beliefs. I don't think a Primarch would have been worshiped as the Omnissiah in this era. Unless Gyadred actually landed on Mars, lol. Which would be kinda interesting, now that I think about it. Presumably our Horus-analogue still winds up on Luna (True/False? Anyone know?), but I've never seen anyone do an actual Martian landing in any AUs before.
>>53358349No? The Horus equivalent isn't gonna be from Luna? What gave you that idea?Also, a Primarch landing on Mars would result in that Primarch instantly being returned to the Emperor. And 'Primarch raised on Terra' has been done by both the HkH and IA.
>>53358419Never mind im retarded. For some reason I forgot Cthonia was a thing and assumed "Luna" Wolves meant Luna itself.
>>53358202The legion as a whole, including Gyahdred is like a vast ocean in character. They are secretive, flexible, hard to pin down. In mood they are mercurial, calm and analytical, until some hidden point is reached and the storm strikes.It's not so much that they hold grudges, but there's an inertia to them. At their best, they are even-tempered because they can flow like water, but at their worst, they can obsess and storm.The curse only brings this out further, making them deliberately secretive and leading to cerebro-surgery to attempt to remove troublesome emotions.>>53358349>>53358338The Mechanicum itself does exist pre-unification. Sort of. Mars sent out colonization efforts, creating forgeworlds across the galaxy, all with vaguely similar beliefs. It's not a monolithic entity ever, despite Mars wanting it to be so, but the various forgeworlds such as Zhao Arkkad, Stygies, Ryza, Tindalos, Anvilius, Xana II, Metalica, etc (any place with a titan legion, really) all are notionally splinters of the Mechanicum.So I'm thinking that Rgyamtscho... Ramtscho? is a subject of one such world, Altair or something, settled back during the Dark Age of Technology by colonists from Mars, who carried with them the Martian cult, with its cog and skull icon and belief in the Machine God and the Omnissiah-- same as the aforementioned Forge Worlds.During the Crusade, additional forges are established and some industrial worlds are converted into forge worlds. Mezoa, for example, is founded during the Crusade.>>53358256>>53358338>>53358349>The NamesYeah. I was going for something with crazy consonant clusters to get that Cthulhu vibe without simply mashing my keyboard. I'll probably simplify them a bit, assuming I don't go with a different source.How about this for colors?Worst case, I may just go with that first color scheme with the deep sea and neon blue. I think it's crazy thematic and there are only so many color schemes, I said, half-assedly.
>>53358684If you're using the one grey arm as a standout color element, ditch the kneepads. They distract too much from a nice clean color scheme. I dunno why, but people always try to paint too much trim, even to their detriment lol.
>>53358763I like the kneepads. They're the bee's knees.
>>53358783I know I seem to disagree with the group on most things, but glowing knees? That's really a good thing?
>>53358828Whether it's a good thing or not is irrelevant.
>>53357019How did you do that?
>>53358763Ooh, that's a damn good idea. The reverse also doesn't look half bad.Here's a version with white trim.>>53358828A dissenting voice is very important. Keep it up.>>53358783Damn it. Though neon edges look amazing on dark MkIII plate.
>>53336365I just noticed how ugly the Ogre Legion looks with Mark V. I love it.What editor is this?
>>53358892White's good too, but I wasn't recommending you give up on the teal altogether if you liked teal, just the kneepads. Pauldron trim looked fine to me.
>>53358684This colors look better than these >>53358892>>53358865Photoshop, I can add your planet's location if you want. We may do this with every planet, just like the color scheme
>>53358892>>53358972A little darker/greener and still in white, neon trim requires the grey to be darker as in the one which will follow.>>53358338>>53358684So far as Legion names...Crimson TideBrotherhood of the AbyssNightmare GuardPhantom GuardHammers of the DeepGyadred KhrozigRyamtschoetc etc
Bruh I had an idea for a warrior aspect last night.
>>53359149Damn, forgot the image.>>53359129I like what you did, but I don't think we should use that map given that it's post fall of Cadia. Which is really too bad, since that's one of the nicer maps they've put out.Do you want one of us to go looking for the 30k Black Book maps?
>>53359129>>53359199>I like what you did, but I don't think we should use that map given that it's post fall of Cadia.Last thread's op literally had a blank map for 40K.
>>53359199>>53359212Really? I was AFK, sadly...A better map would be nice, but having some worlds marked doesn't hurts. And, well, I use it as a guide. But any cool map you have would be nice. I will start working. Dump some, and I will start tomorrow if I can.
>>53359320Found the last OP's map. More would be apreciated.
>>53358955Chapter constructor. I posted a download link in the last thread.
>>53359435We should put the link in the OP
>>53359320How about the Forgeworld 30K map?
>>53359565I've actually lost my link, do you have it?
>>53359565We should, considering I can't find it.
https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads/Is this it?
>>53359946Wait, it's in fucking Russian.
>>53359979Hit the little flag toggle at the bottom left corner. It can be in English.
>>53359979Click on the little russian flag when it launches, it should change to english.
>>53360018You think I can read English?
>>53360032Can you perceive colors and shapes?
>>53336365what website do you use to make those space marines?i know about bolter and chainsword but you cant do that type of stuff on it
>>53360121>>53359946We were literally just talking about it my dude.
>>53360121See:>>53359946Have fun my dude.
>>53360168>>53360204yeaaahhhh thanks guys
I did a little bit of rewriting and spell checking, as well as added a couple of bits here and there. Lemme know what you guys think.https://docs.google.com/document/d/13wGtK8_sD5ES-tZTUch1oOtqZteEUb3SWJ-g3AbtaYc/edit?usp=sharing>>53358892This is probably my favorite one out of the color schemes, though >>53359199 work well enough if you feel happier with that one yourself.>>53359149Ranked from my favorite to my least favorite:>Phantom Guard>Brotherhood of the Abyss>Hammers of the Deep>Nightmare Guard>Crimson TideNot particularly fond of any of them though. The Tibetan angle woiuld lead to more interesting names than names referring to the terrors from the deep.
>>53359675It looks cool. Put a link to the full res map in the excel and I'll take it
>>53360949Added it to the "Thread links" tab
>>53359186Also, dragon riders.
>>53361699The Sky Titans, an aspect that embodies Khaine's swiftness, and his ability to move where he is needed on the battlefield. As you can tell by the picture, they pilot surfbots.The Star Dragons, an aspect that represents Khaine as a rider, they ride dragons whose souls they synchronize with.
>>53361763>The Star Dragons, an aspect that represents Khaine as a rider, they ride dragons whose souls they synchronize with.Also playing with the idea that they get turned into Wraithdrakes when they die.
>>53359149The Khodos Campaign is notable less for its place in history than for the fact that it remained unclassified and for its potential legacy in the mind of Gyadred. This is due to a number of factors, but stems in no small part from the fact that the XVth was simply the nearest legion at the time when the worlds of the Khodos cluster declared their secession from the Imperium, which followed on the heels of the Tizca Riots. The key issue, for the public of the Khodos Confederation was the treatment of psykers. Specifically, the tithe. The bulk of the XVth legion made directly for Kolhon, the seat of the nearest rebelling lord, where a detachment of Sisters of Silence had been assaulted. Too few in number to resist, they had retreated to the XVth fleet with all the imperial administrators they could save.Recognizing the cause of the rebellion, Gyadred's response was nuanced. His fleet, fresh from xenopurgation campaigns, carried weapons that could easily have scoured Kolhon clean, but Gyadred instead opted for more complex route. The vast majority of the world in the region were civilized worlds, the home of merchants, not warriors, by and large spared the horrors of Old Night.Thus it was that Gyadred turned lances to the planet, but rather than burning it clear of life, Gyadred turned them towards the seas. Even at minimum power, they flash boiled miles. More esoteric weaponry woke dormant volcanoes and spawned earthquakes, though the cities were largely untouched. Instead, ash and vapor formed massive storm systems and blotted out the sun.In the darkness, the XVth deployed, bedecked in luminous paint that they glowed like abyssal predators. In formation they advanced on the lords palace in a howling gale.
>>53361763>>53361810Looks good, are you making Eldar?
>>53362065Right now, yeah. Still have over a dozen things I can use, not including the things I used for other AUs but can still use here because all they get is a paragraph or two.Link's on the spreadsheet under the links tab.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdwouQqO-Gi-81xhKBAFAzLXFAIClN8YAsT-r7xF-xM/edit>The Sky Titans are a warrior aspect of the Eldar that embodies Khaine’s swiftness, as well as his disdain for higher authority. In the space around craftworlds Sky Titans pilot their humanoid Sky Striders in daring maneuvers, threatening themselves and other nearby vessels with their defiant antics. When the Sky Titans fly to battle the craftworld is somewhat glad, both because they are temporarily rid of the nuisance and because they can trust the daring aces to be where they’re needed. But mostly because they’re rid of the nuisance.Okay, now they just sound like they embody Khaine's younger days when he was a TOTALLY RADICAL delinquent. Fuck it, I'll keep it.
>>53361929Resistance lasted no more than a few minutes, as the terrified palace guard attempted to halt the Astartes, and quickly the ruling noble had been dragged out into the storm. In a message broadcast across the sector, Gyadred informed the people of Khodos that he had been pulled from more pressing matters pushing back the Xenos horrors. His world was a world of darkness and storms and because the people of Kolhon had brought him here, he had brought the storms and darkness. Imperial Order would be restored lest the lightning strike and the waves swallow the mountains. The legion then carried out the Imperial Tithe, but in an unusual measure, the entire librarius was sent down along with astropaths and navigator legates to administer it. Psykers were taken not because they were to be destroyed, but because the Imperium had need of them.To prove it, the entire planet of Kolhan would serve the Imperium. Gyadred declared it to be a recruiting world for the legion so that they could see it for themselves.With Kolhan pacified, the fleet next stopped at Prospero itself. Gyadred exempted Prospero from the Tithe on the condition that they aid in warp research. A mechanicum and Librarius research facility was built in the center of Tizca under a scholar named Magistus Amon.With this done, many of the worlds that had rebelled surrendered, either out of fear, or the belief that Gyadred's actions showed the Imperium in a better light.However, not all the worlds surrendered. The lords of Khodos had been dissatisfied with their place in the Imperium and had merely seized upon the psyker issue to justify their rebellion and raise popular support. In fact, the lords of Kodos had conducted a tithe of their own and now tortured psykers were released from "protective custody" as battle witches.Cont.>>53362443It sounds like an 80's cartoon. In a good way.
>>53362537>It sounds like an 80's cartoon. In a good way.Yeah, I'm not gonna take this too seriously.
I haven't been here in a bit, how have things been coming along?
>>53362537Gyadred regards these worlds as too far gone and, indeed, surviving records of this portion of the campaign imply that warp phenomenon was rampant. The null sisterhoods deploy alongside the astartes with an ease that suggests that this was by no means a new arrangement. Something about the final assault, where things have gone seriously warp'd up. Orderly rows marching on an obsidian tower as the skies rain fire, columns lead by an Astartes tribune and a Sister of Silence, etc etc. Perhaps even strange actinic gellar field projectors mounted on treads, tended to by techmarines and covens of adepts.A cleaned up version is sent out to the larger imperium, the moral being "if you fuck with psykers, they'll unleash horrors. The Imperium takes psykers so that local governors can't torture them and turn them into weapons."The other significant battle for intro purposes is going to be a more usual campaign against xenos, perhaps a the War on Murder? Anyways, that one will showcase the technological aspects of the legion, along with some destroyer-ish aspects.
What about a warrior aspect centered around artillery? Embodies Khaine as an archer and a marksman.I was thinking calling them the Burning Bows.
>>53361810>Also playing with the idea that they get turned into Wraithdrakes when they die.That's pretty cool. Maybe other aspect warriors have their own varieties of wraith constructs. Like, Wraith-spiders for the warp-spiders, Wraith-scorpions for the striking scorpions, that kind of thing. Perhaps only Exarchs get made into these special wraith constructs, cause if you've dedicated your life to the path of an aspect warrior, dedicating your death to it isn't a massive leap.
>>53362972I was thinking that because the souls of the rider and the dragon would pretty much become one, thus if one dies, so does the other. Like Eragon, expect Eldar.
>The squiggoth is a fearsome beast respected by the orks for its value in battle. Ranging from the size of tanks to as large as titans, squiggoths serve their masters well as warbeasts; but it is not without its drawbacks. The breeding and raising of squiggoths is a task only the pigdoks can perform, and growing a squiggoth takes too much time. Instead, warbosses often look to their mekboyz who tend not to take their time. With a little time and a lot of scrap, a mekboy can churn out the mekasquiggoth, a bestial warmachine in the image of the revered squiggoth.When life gives you limes, make lemonade.
>>53362972>Perhaps only Exarchs get made into these special wraith constructs, cause if you've dedicated your life to the path of an aspect warrior, dedicating your death to it isn't a massive leap.Exarch souls are fused with their successor when they don the armor.
>>53362713The Legion fortress is built into Mt Seleya, the tallest mountain on Ryamtscho. The oldest layers are the forge complex of the magos-noble that raised Gyahdred. This gives the legion a strong mechanicum base. The fortress has a massive stasis vault called the Chorten, where the legion Dreadnoughts. Relics, and most potent weapons are stored.Speaking of, I'm thinking the legion is big on Dreadnoughts, because of their ability to endure and their inertia. Though the legion has Mortis and Deredo patterns, the vast majority are close combat and siege in form. After a few disastrous incidents, all who are interred in Dreadnoughts undergo cerebro-surgery not unlike that performed on Skitarii and Secutarii to dampen emotions. This keeps them from suffering the worst of the Curse of the Elver, but it makes them even more distant than normal Dreadnoughts and treated with awe and horror in equal measure.The Legion makes use of automata as well.The general strategy is maximum application of force at the spot of greatest vulnerability. Unlike some other legions you might be thinking of, however, they aren't terribly sneaky beaky about it. They prefer to allow the opponent to make the first move, draw them out and then react. So it's always a trap. On the offensive, they use that implacable wave.So I'm imagining something like a deep sea ambush predator, luring them in and then striking. And like an alligator, once they've bitten, they hold on.They're not dumb, and carefully observe their foe before the strike, but compared to Alpha Legion or the Sky Serpents, they're slow and... blocky? They're more like Water Benders or Earth Benders than Fire or Air Benders.I suppose that it's that they're less concerned about disrupting enemy cohesion than destroying them utterly.
>>53364405Perhaps one of their Elite Formations would be the Relyeh Deep Guard, which would be composed of a Venerable Dreadnought and Veterans of the unit discussed >>53338120 Here
>tfw when you're gone for a few days and someone steals the oceanic themes right out from under your legion
>>53364405What I'm pondering at the moment is how they manage to do the whole Carcharodons deal without fast ships and high mobility.What about a focus on warp drives and stealth to allow for them to appear out of nowhere and strike hard? Realspace speed is sacrificed for armor and the like. Similarly, they like their transports, but they tend to be land raiders, mastadons, and stormbirds. Rhinos are comparatively rare, storm ravens even more so, in preference for Storm Eagles and Thunderhawks and Storm Birds.Vindicators and other assault guns are often deployed in great numbers. Orbital bombardment plays an important role.This said, infiltration is not unimportant, but they're more hunters than saboteurs.>>53364698Yes!Actually how does all this sound? I'll admit I'm an Alpha Legion player (So all my ambushes are all speed and deception based atm) and am trying to get into the mindset of the XVth.
>>53364774Wait, which legion are you? Leviathan Host? I missed the first thread or two and took over the Tide Breakers.
>>53364833Yeah. Not actually mad or anything, just makes me realize how absent I've been from the project. Here's their write up https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fw8Bnyof8qEEwdt7qJJR8m_wS-4cp9lM_BUQm2gMXKw/edit?usp=sharingIt's not much, and it doesn't really get into the themes as much as I'd like, but I've got another doc about their later history and "fall" to Chaos in the works that I wanted to have done by today but real life got in the way.
>>53364794Well, the way I sort of pictured the XVth when I first looked at the tactics and stratagem at the other legions we didn't really have a dedicated Siege or Counteroffensive based Legion and so I tried to give them the motif of being the "Tide Breakers"; Capable of taking the brunt of an offense before turning the momentum back on them. Perhaps with to merge the two tactics they are more dedicated to counteroffensives; Working alongside either their auxiliaries or the I.G as fast-response shock troops. These attacks being in conjunction with forward scouts and the aforementioned "Elver Hunters" (I sort of want to go with the Mesketonii) launching simultaneous attacks behind lines, pushing towards the approaching front.
>>53364859Whoops. Well, the strategies are quite different, so that works. It also looks like the ocean is used in different symbolic shades, so that works too. I'm using it as a the unconscious, with its storms and dangers and power, while I'm seeing you using it (in the limited sample I have) as this dynamic source of life and death. If they end up too close, I can adjust things. The big theme I'm going for with the XVth is a 20s horror style cursed legion. German Expressionist cinema kind of a feel. They spend so much time fighting monsters that they become monsters and all that. And sometimes they literally become monsters.At the same time, the themes work just fine in a tundra or something. Turn fishmen to wendigoes, etc.I may draw the tundra in a bit more either way, make it so their world is sandwiched between inhospitable spaces, ice above, sea below.
So I've worked a bit on Lambach falling to chaos.Lambach's Fall: Angered by his father’s decision (this can be changed based on what we decide for Nikeea) Lambach halted his wing of the crusade and bought all tendrils of his legion back to Milentus. Ridding the Chosen of Hecate of their psykic presence would be no small task considering how deeply ingrained they were in the Legion's dynamics.Lambach still could not understand his father’s choices. He had always believed his father saw the future laid out the same way that he, himself did. That the gifted would pave the way for peaceful times to come after the great crusade. That psykics were the next logical, evolutionary step for mankind.Lambach thought long and hard about how he would break the news of Nikeea to his sons. He loved them dearly and railed against seeing them go to waste. As the last of his legion returned to Miletus Lambach made his decision. He gathered every gifted son of the Chosen and formed them into a single chapter. Known as the Speartip of Hecate. The Speartip would be the first deployed on any new world, they would not be stopped from using their powers but eventually their numbers would grind down and they would be remembered as heros of the legion. Gaius Mendel was given the title of Grand Warpclaw of this newly formed chapter and while many of the Librarians raged against this reform Gaius knew that the hands of his master were tied, this option would at least let the gifted sons of the Chosen end their service in glory rather than living the rest of their lives as blind and deaf men.
>>53365131Lambach thrust the Speartip deep and the Chosen of Hecate pushed deeper into the fringes of known space than ever before, ignoring any hails from his brothers, even those he closest to him like Linares and Raj. World after world fell to the mighty push of the Chosen, world after world claimed more and more of the brothers of the Speartip. Each loss stabbed at Lambach, slowly stripping away his once cheerful and pleasant demeanor and replacing it with sadness and spite. How could the Emperor have done this to his loyal sons. Lambach thirsted for the truth behind the question. Night after tireless night he spent researching documents from ancient history trying desperately to see his father's point of view, and a reason for why he was forced to sacrifice his favored sons to the delusions of some of his more narrow minded brothers. It was during this time Lambach learned that perhaps not all of the gods from ancient times were fanciful stories...Eventually the Speartip was worn down to little more than a few dozen Librarians, Gaius still leading. The Grand Warpclaw had changed drastically from the man he once was. His armour was dented and scratched deeply, his hair was unkempt and his face was gaunt. But it was the look in the eyes of one of his favorite sons that haunted Lambach. It was on some dank rock of a planet, the name of which is lost to time that Radcliff Kaden fell. The occupants of the planet unleashed creatures upon the chosen. Creatures born of warp energy, that normal boltguns had little effect on. The few Remaining members of the Speartip were able to devastate these creatures, but they had become too few to contend properly.
>>53365144ahh damnit whoops, sorry I messed up the pasting order
>>53365070They're pretty different then. The Leviathans main themes are more aligned with faith. The transformations that do happen are more of the blessed variety than the horror kind, though they probably look pretty horrible to an outsider.We'll see how it pans out, though they definitely do become fishmen. Or snake men. I can't decide which, but probably something in between.
>>53365045Oh! >_<That kind of counter! Yep. That makes a lot of sense. The rock that endures the storm. They literally break the tide. Shows you where my head is at.I think I'll work that in there. Probably give them two defensive doctrines, the way of the mountain and the way of the sea.In the former, they choose their ground and stand until victory or death.In the later, they give ground or delay until the stars align and the Tide turns. Defense in depth.Once they get going, they're that wave, which is also why they can do siege warfare.I'll also bring in the auxiliae, probably mostly mechanicum.>>53365131First, great image. That's literally why I dislike Nids so much.Second, that's fantastic. It makes you admire him instantly.
>>53365131Lambach thrust the Speartip deep and the Chosen of Hecate pushed deeper into the fringes of known space than ever before, ignoring any hails from his brothers, even those he closest to him like Linares and Raj. World after world fell to the mighty push of the Chosen, world after world claimed more and more of the brothers of the Speartip. Each loss stabbed at Lambach, slowly stripping away his once cheerful and pleasant demeanor and replacing it with sadness and spite. How could the Emperor have done this to his loyal sons. Lambach thirsted for the truth behind the question. Night after tireless night he spent researching documents from ancient history trying desperately to see his father's point of view, and a reason for why he was forced to sacrifice his favored sons to the delusions of some of his more narrow minded brothers. It was during this time Lambach learned that perhaps not all of the gods from ancient times were fanciful stories...Eventually the Speartip was worn down to little more than a few dozen Librarians, Gaius still leading. The Grand Warpclaw had changed drastically from the man he once was. His armour was dented and scratched deeply, his hair was unkempt and his face was gaunt. But it was the look in the eyes of one of his favorite son that haunted Lambach. It was on some dank rock of a planet, the name of which is lost to time that Radcliff Kaden fell. The occupants of the planet unleashed creatures upon the chosen. Creatures born of warp energy, that normal boltguns had little effect on. The few Remaining members of the Speartip were able to devastate these creatures, but they had become too few to contend properly.
>>53365257haha damnit something goes wrong every time I try to coopy and paste it. my bad.
>>53365232Sent you a Discord Request, so if you want someone to spitball with i'm happy to oblige.
>>53365232thanks for the feedback mate, I for some reason can't stop it from screwing up the order when I try cut and paste it, so if you are interested in the rest it is in my Legions text document. haha
Ok, so after much thinking and typing and re-typing and procrastinating, here's Je'she's background. Complete in all it's un-proof-read gloryhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1LJh0RkHrfDW8H3LgFTGgt-mhqNJeh9FIBw48botbYy8/edit?usp=sharing
>>53336365Aaight, so. Someone help me make up my mind about where the Steel Souls are supposed to go, faction-wise. I've left them fairly flexible in the early stuff I've written for them, so they can plausibly go with any of the three factions. I know someone mentioned that maybe they'd be best as Separatists, but I can't help but wonder if I as an author would fit poorly with the writing style that group would need. (And I definitely don't have a clue what a Separatist Legion's power level is supposed to look like. At least we can riff off of canon for Imps/Chaos as analogues)Thoughts?
>>53365231Cool.>>53365070So writing this here since I don't feel like writing up the legion intro page yet.Ryamtscho is a world characterized by extremes. An oceanic forge, the majority of the land is steep mountain islands. The people of Ryamtscho thus live in a narrow green belt wedged between two equally inhospitable expanses, one of the sea and one of snow. Even the establishment of subsidiary forges by the nearby forgeworld of [NAME] did little to change this because though the forges were themselves secured, the native population was deemed suitable stock for skitarii and other servants of the local cult. Equally, areas beyond relevance to the industry of the forge were left in situ. Thus it was that Gyahdred made planetfall, Ryamtscho was as much a world of techno-barbarians as it was a forge proper.So from there he gets picked up, inducted, blah blah blah.The legion has two ways of war, the way of the mountain and the way of the tides (name to be worked on).One is that stone resistance, immovable object.The other is the way of water, letting the enemy get themselves into a vulnerable position. It also involves ambush.High integration of mechanicum forces, in part because robots ask no questions about manifestations of the Curse of the Elver, but also because mechanicum forces are well suited for both forms of warfare.Once they get going, though, it's all the tidal wave that destroys all, the avalanche, which is why they're one of the go to legions for sieges.Other main role is dealing with horrific xenos like those of Rangda, sort of like the Dark Angels and Space Wolves.One of the critical strategic concepts for the legion is space. They need it to operate in because it buys them the time to build up momentum and blunt that of their enemies. This can be done in a number of ways, including, at times, sacrificial and stands, which can, at times be used as bait to pull forces from the true target. Fortifications are more common.
>>53366077Despite all this, the legion avoids the meatgrinder. Attrition is disdained, when required it is servitors and thralls that take the casualties. Instead, the legion prefers to leverage technology for victory. The deathblow is through overwhelming force, not by a thousand cuts. Said technology varies from campaign to campaign, be it mighty titans or Ordinatus engines, exotic archaeotech, or chemical/radiological weapons to even the playing field.Towards this end, the legion was an early innovator in so-called specialist ammunition that the OU links with Deathwatch and the Sternguard Squad, typically tailoring ammunition to the enemy of the campaign.This required close integration with magi of various specializations in frontline positions, and the techmarines of the legion typically had more advanced training in various Archana of the Mechanicum.Knowledge, as they say, is victory.
>>53365376I like it. A lot. Compellingly written. He looks like a cool guy. I noted you used the greater good a lot. Intentional?
>>53366429Thanks man, I'm pretty self-conscious about my grammar. And yeah, I tried to put in values like martyrdom and sacrifice for the greater good, as those are the values that The Sentinels also have, which were instilled in them by their Primarch and his background
>>53336365All but two or three of those names are gay ad fuck.
Hm, perhaps I should make Pacha's equerry some sort of secretary-type of character? Someone that keeps watch on new information, including news on the general progress of the Great Crusade; and the type to remind Pacha of anything the Primarch might seem to have overlooked when making a decision.
>>53366234The special amunition route something i follow with the gunslingers as well. ^^
>>53364405Their "waiting and then striking for maximum efficiency" strategy is similar to what the Titan Marchers do, though I still feel like there's quite a bit of difference between the two. Surely the XVth and the XVIIth are very compatible.>>53365449The Loyalists already have a literal fuckton of Psykers, which is weird enough in itself. I don't think we should add another Psyker legion to that.Also, I get what you mean by saying that it's still unclear just what the Seps have access to, but that's primarily because people seem to want to avoid answering that question. So, my suggestion is to have them go with the Seps.>>53367749Sure, that sounds great. Go for it!>>53367954Does Deshain forge his own weapons? Otherwise would you think it'd be interested to have Raj make it for him? I'm still looking for a nichè for Raj as a technophile Primarch and gunsmithing just seems right for him.
>>53368236Dunno if you had a chance to read it but I'm gonna add Raj helping Linares take on Lambach.Will try and write the battle and fight tomorrow.
>>53368376Lambach attacks us or we are the attackers? I think that a sudden attack from the CoH would be dramatic. Linares would suffer because his brother's treason (are they close friends?), and Raj may support him or suffer for the same reason. It looks good anyway.
>>53368376>>53368461Nah, I think Linares and Raj are sent to fulfil the role of Executioner.>>53365376Great read! Couple of questions and comments though:>I see a few similarities with Ashur's backstory. Primarch is adopted into a roaming tribal caravan, caravan gets attack and destroyed, Primarch is left alone to wander the wastes, eventually gets taken into a new tribe.>Just how much time passes between them founding the city in the valley and the Orks attacking it? Such incredible advancement and population growth has to take at least a couple of years, I'm expecting? Maybe you could up the base tech level of the caravans a bit, up to steam power levels?>I noticed that there are two instances of Je'She's group 'now being called the Watch'.Also, you said it yourself, some spell checking and rephrasing could do wonders.
>>53368632That would be difficult for Linares, at least. But duty is duty. Also, I don't want Linares to be some kind of Leman Russ. He's not attacking him w/o his treason being discovered.
>>53368236Raj could forge him his weapons. Maybe Kane takes a liking to him^^.
>>53368752Raj and Linares are probably sent to bring Lambach to Terra, but then one of the Warmasters changes their orders and they're forced to attack, much like the OU Burning of Prospero.>>53368777We'll go for that then. Turns out Raj gets along with nearly all his fellow Primarchs, which works well considering his entire legion is meant to be supporting other legions, and it'd be unlikely for anyone to call him in if he didn't make friends with his brothers
>>53368752Don't worry man. I have no intention at all of making Linares into Russ. Linares will not be happy to do what he does. But the Emperor has told him he must.Let me wrote it and I'll let you read it before I set anything into stone. Also if you decide it doesn't fit Lianres very well I can just re write it to Raj and someone else?But I think you'll be ok with what I have planned.
>>53368977If Lambach and Linares get along, Linares will try to make him return, even if that means waging war against his brother. Anyway, battling against a traitor Legion is something the Silver Blades will enjoy.
>>53368997Raj would likely fulfil the orders he's been given. That means he would take on Lambach if he were ordered to do so, though he would do so with grim solemnity.
Looks like a shitter version of 40k. Jobs done?
>>53369089Go play with Girlyman and primaris space marines.Besides this is 30k
quick question. are the separatist mechanicus force going to call themselves the separatist mechnicus, or are they going to have a different name for themselves as a collective?
>>53370104Logically they might change their name, but Seperatist Mechanicum just sounds right. SepMech is also a sweet abbreviation.
>>53370104>>53370112They are the Mashad Warhost, acording to the sheet.
>>53370172The Warhost is a Skitarii-like group
>>53370172I thought that was just a specific subgroup of the Separatist Mechanicus forces, like how the Silver Blades are a specific subgroup of the Adeptus Astartes
>>53370185>>53370199Well...my bad. No idea of how do they call themselves, then.
>>53370172Also, on a more map related subject, Could the Ruins of Taiga be in the Ultima Segmentum, located just off the north-eastern edge of the maelstrom?
>>53370230Maybe we should fill in the Primarch discovery order. The Primarchs who are lower on the list, should have their homeworlds further away from Terra.
>>53370241Yuma is just one sector West of terra. So kane is pretty early on the list. Maybe first^^
>>53370241That seems sensible. I was thinking Valorn would be a pretty late find, maybe the 17th/18th primarch the Emperor finds
>>53370277From what I've heard the first and second Primarchs are most likely to become the Chaos and Seperatist Warmasters, so first wouldn't be the way to go. 3-5 makes more sense. Just pick one, and we'll go with it.>>53370282Don't pussyfoot around, just pick a number and we'll set up a discovery order. I'll add it to the Google Doc.
>>53370309Because of that he should be the first. Although he is longest in service he was overlooked Wien it Domes to the war master. Guess who shoots bis father Into the BAck? Just because of finding order to choose A primarch is just repeating canon. Horus 2.0
>>53370230Of course. Anyone with requests for the map, leave them in the map tab at the sheet. Linares would be found the 7/8th, before Lambach at least, with enough time in between.
>>53370340Deshain doesn't seem to be that close to the Emperor, and I don't think it'd fit his character to be the favored son. The Emperor always cares the most about the first son he finds, which dramatically should be either the Chaos or Seperatist Warmaster. My vote is for the Sep Warmaster, Grégoire, to be found first. Deshain seems like he'd work best if found 3rd. The Emperor would find two sons who he comes to care for deeply, then he finds that gritty motherfucker.>>53370380Time to make a decision, not 7/8th, just pick one of the two.
>>53370408Na the thing is the first son is the motherfucker for whom he even not cares.. He is the longest in service but nOT the favored son. But the eldest. A big disapointment with whom the EMP could not Connect on personal level. He is always Held ab arms length while bis younger Brothers are fsvoured. That can hurt
>>53370444Saying always is a bit strange because there was only horus.
>>53370444Hmm… maybe, let's see what others think.One thing to keep in kind, if you legion is one of the higher numbers, it'd be a waste for the Primarch to be found early, because the Legion isn't ready yet. Thinking of moving Raj up a bit to reflect that.
>>53370477Depends. Somw fought as proto legions on terra. And took place i the pacification of luna. They might not be big. But they might be ready. And if you have a primarch who keeps the marines alive. Then they can grow faster. Another reason why a certain primarch could be pissed for beeing overlooked.
>>53370408If Linares is 8th I'll put Lambach at 13th.Even though his homeworld is close to terra. He was discovered a bit late because he was on a peaceful planet so there were no real stories getting out to help Big E find him for awhile.
>>53370922Aight, added him.>>53370543True, the legions are built up relatively quickly, but the 21st Primarch couldn't feasibly be the 2nd one found, without him having to sit on his ass for a bit.I'm still not sold on Deshain being first. Having the Emperor not particularly like the first son he's reunited with would have dire concequences for the man. Imo, Deshain's character makes way more sense near the end of the list, as by then the Emperor takes way less time to bond with his sons.Also, I'll get on making a new thread soon, I suppose.
>>53370983Well this would be only a copy from the canon and would degrade kane to a copy of angron with guns.The other way around it would jabe dire consequences and could be interesting for story telling purposes.Kinda funny that you are against a creative shake up. I mean you look for fresh legions concepts but want to stay true to canon storytelling at the same time.
>>53371043I feel like having him first might be pushing it, but what about having him early, like 3rd or 4th? Even though he's one of only a few brothers, the Emperor doesn't really pay him much attention, and his jealousy only grows when the next guy is found and is given more attention than him.
>>53371043I think that the change would be TOO major, that's all. The first son is an incredibly important character, and I'd give it to one of the Warmasters, probably Gregoire. Deshain can still be early on, my personal recommendation would be 3rd, but I don't think he should be the 1st. Deshain should be the moment the Emperor realises "Maybe some of my sons didn't turn out exactly like I hoped after being thrown through the cosmos."
>>53371043I think he is just offering some constructive pointers man.And on your side I don't think the chapters were made in the prder he found the primarchs in? He had all of them ready to go before he went searching I think. That's why Horus was found first but was not first legion. The Lion was found a bit later. From memory only Dorn and Alpharius were found in in an order corresponding with their legions.So technically your dude could be found first. But Like Raj said, the Emps would have put in a lot more effort into making sure you liked him if you were the first child.
>>53368236Actually, that gives me a thought-- let's check the archetypes:TraitorAir-Cav/BreachingPistols and Jetbikes at speedRecon, airborne, mobilityDreadnought Hammer + PsykersSmoke screens, low visibility combatLight Armor with assasination squadsSiege, Dark MechanicumLoyalistInfantry, Heavy CC, terrain masteryDrop Assault CC with DreadsDEFENSEReligious Zealots with NOISE and CultistsCoordinated Infantry and marksmanshipSiege, Mechanicum ties, MOTHERFUCKING TITANSCC, Infiltration, Being KungFu Monks (assuming the Pillars go Loyalist)SepPSYKERS (Assuming Steel Souls end up there)Heavy Infantry, "exotic" weapons, atrocityUrban Warfare, mobile infantry, atrocitySieges, Destroyer weaponry, Mechanicum tiesBlitzkrieg, harry before the strikeCommand and Control, Integration of Humies, Being French back when it was still AWESOMEInfantry Assault like OGRES, PREPARE TO GET SHREKEDSo what I'm seeing is that there's odd clustering of type. The Traitors most of the speedy guys, while the Separatists got both the facists. May not really matter.I think I will also play up the feral hunt side of the XVth since that's not going to step on any toes and it will help differentiate them from the other heavy legions.
Do we have a Discord server?
>>53371043>>53371129>>53371118>>53371144I'm agreeing with the consensus. Have Gregoire first, put Deshain early, like 5th. That way he's not the sole focus, but he also gets to see himself being overlooked.
>>53371243God knows it's easy to do. Loved the hell outta my first kid, don't even know where the hell my secomd one is at the moment.
>>53371243I've already put Raj 5th. I'd put Deshain 3rd myself, but I guess it's up to That Guy (why don't you call yourself Deshainon?) to make the final decision.
>>53370380I just realised that I mixed up the Maelstrom and the galactic core, so I've changed the location of Taiga to the north-eastern edge of the Dominion of Storms. Makes Valorn being the eighteenth Primarch to be found a little more believable
>>53371168Hm, should I amp up the psyker side of the Golden Mountains a bit to make them differentiate themselves more? Also, being around the 15th-16th primarch to be found over here if possible.
>>53371168>>53371521If there's one thing I've noticed it's that the Loyalists have the most Psykers; the Golden Mountains, the Symphonious Disciples and either the Pillars of Balance or the Steel Souls
Bout time for a new thread, ay? Let me handle it.
>>53371168>Light Armor with assasination squadsWho's that?
>>53371618Loxodontii. I mean light armor in that it's rhinos and razorbacks, not landraiders.
>>53371580Yeah sounds good man
Anything I should add to the OP?
>>53371736The legion google docThe To-do listThe summary of what we're up tp so far and what this whole thing is aboutA sexy picture of the Ogre legion as posting picAnd the legion pic chart
>>53371736Nothing in particular, as long as the google doc is in there.
>>53371736The chapter constructor?
>>53371736I think someone suggested linking the space marine painter/builder program too. As it will stop people asking almost every thread (in theory)
Anyone know where Elephantfag is?
>>53371782In DEEZ NUTZ>>53371919>>53371919>>53371919>>53371919New thread, now with less space marines!
>>53336365All of those names aside from maybe Pale Hounds sound retarded as fuck.