OP was phoneposting edition.So far, we have:>I Leviathan Host - Marduk Engur>II Golden Mountains - Pacha the Earthquake>IVSilver Blades- Linares>IXThe Sentinels - Je'She of the Watch>XII Iron Guard - Zelbezis Dyestes>XIII Loxodontii - Ashur of Banipal>XIV Pillars of Balance - Hayden Reliquo>XVSpears of Dawn - Kule Setanta>XVIITitan Marchers - Raj Vokar>XVIIIQuaestor's Wardens - Quaestor KreesQuestions to be answered:>Name>Primarch>Legion/Primarch Personality>Tactical Specialty>Thematics>Colors
>>53181029>>53181158I think we should decide on an exact number, either 20 or 21, and simultaneously decide the division or the three factions.
>>5318134620 Legions, chaos is in the minority but being extra aggressive, the main conflict is between loyalits and separatists.Or, seeing how we have 10 legions right now and not a lot of new people seem to join, let's just break it to 10 and say the rest got killed/weren't even created. This way, the Legions have to rely on human auxilia a lot more, possibly even having to deploy in mere squads to push key positions.
>>53181430We shouldn't start writing stuff up if we're going to change it. I have no problem with chaos being outnumbered, though personally my choice would be the loyalists…
Well, we could always see how it falls semi-naturally. Where people think they would side in the conflict.After all we can always come up with ways to supplement the weaker side.
Maybe less, but larger Legions. This way, we still have the numbers to do great things, and don't need to create new Legions.I think that a 4/4/2 arrangement would be fine. Loyalists/Chaos/Secessionists. The Secessionists would be far more agressive, and those would be the largest Legions, to be fair. Or they have a huge support from the Auxilia.
Am I too late?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R0QkB_d2GliVRoyQyOwBs_LpmQJ8Lm_Jgy6XV4m6DMY/edit?usp=sharing
>>53181671We've got plenty of slots to fill. Tell your friends!>>53181614Nah, we really shouldn't have fewer, bigger legions. The OU makes it a big point that only Guiliman was able to have a massive 250,000 marine legion. We shouldn't deviate from that.We should also look ahead, we have to work from a set amount of legions from the start. I say either 20 or 21. Don't worry about filling slots, we'll get there.>>53181588A clean 7-7-7 or 7-6-7 split would be easier to write around though.
>>53181807We might want to leave a couple slots open anyway like the 2nd and 19th. Give some breathing room, or slots for latecomers.
>>53181899We could. The bare minumum would be 18, but I'd like to get all 20/21. I don't like the idea of missing legions as much as others seem to.
>>53181671>Another vehicle legion>it's loyalistBREAK YOURSELF UPON ME, BROTHER!
Perhaps when marking the legions by number, we should also indicate whether they are loyalist/traitor/separatist so that we can keep a headcount?
>>53182159I agree. We should do that with the guys we already have too.Important question is though, why are the Seperatists seperating? My idea for the three factions is Imperial Loyalists, Chaos Traitors and Heretech Seperatists.
>>53182159Silver Blades, Loyals forever!>>53182181Maybe...they are angry because of what the Empire is becoming and the have chosen to secede. But they don't simpatize with Chaos, neither.
Throwing my helmet into the ring>>NameKnights of the Void >>PrimarchEnkiduBorn on the outer fringes of the galaxy, one of the last Primarchs to be found. Grew up in a sector that knew only stagnation and corruption. Lead a rebellion that toppled empires. But at its height, would abandon the throne and let his generals fight amongst themselves. Periodically returning to reunite the empire. He has done this 5 times before the Emperor found him.>>Legion/Primarch PersonalityThe Primarch believes in the manifest destiny of Man but only through constant struggle and change. Stagnation is a cancer that will lead to irrelevance and destruction. War, especially against impossible odds is the primary way that man can ascend himself. Enkidu is a demanding and savage Primarch but fully invested in seeing everyone reach their full potential. The legion operates as highly independent groups, with a great deal of cross specializations. The Legion was always positioned across the galactic fringe and makes do with often substandard equipment but pairs it with guerrilla tactics and a wide collection of heavily fortified fortress outposts supporting each other. Well versed in fighting xenos raiders and techno empires on the fringe. Some of the most experienced against necron and tyrranid threats. Other legions find them rather silent and obtuse.>>Tactical SpecialtyVoid Combat, Defending far flung sectors and outposts, long crusades into unknown sectors and operating for extended periods far from resupply or reinforcements.
>>53182299>>ThematicsOriginally the legion was a collection of the astartes not quite up to genetic purity but not bad enough to be purged. This legion was assigned the unappealing task of bringing into the Imperium, the worlds where the Astronomicon's light could barely be seen and where contact with the Imperium is sporatic. Ostensibly it was a death sentence with some greater good aspects. However they excelled in their new found freedom to bring worlds into the Emperor’s light, dim though it may be.The Primarch believes in constant conflict to improve humanity's potential and originally was more leaning towards the Heresy and the potential it brings. But because of the distances involve, enough time occurred where he saw what chaos corruption does and sided with the Imperium. The Primarch was lost while fighting against a xenos empire taking advantage of the Heresy. The legion and their chapter descendants are looked on poorly for their failure to participate in large numbers during the heresy but in actuality they devasted numerous rebellious worlds and prevented heretic reinforcements from converging onto the final days of Terra. There are today now small bands of Void Knights that maintain mini empires unaware of the state of the Imperium or even that a Heresy occurred. Forever manning lonely outposts on the fringe.The Legion in general is loyal to the Emperor and his vision of a strong humanity but have a very tenuous bond with the Imperium. The Imperium in general view them with suspicion but with other pressing concerns they are somewhat content that occasional tithes arrive from half forgotten sectors. Most of the chapters from this legion continue their task of protecting the galactic edges.>>ColorsBlack and Gold
>>53182275Dunno, the Imperium really wasn't that bad until the Heresy and the death of the Emperor. The Marines would be pretty happy about it for the most part. The only thing I can imagine really getting Primarchs angry is the power of the AdMech.
>>53182299>>53182318Anyways what do you think?Im open to them being traitor or loyalist, i just thought the idea that a primarch and legion missed out critical parts of the early heresy a compelling idea. And that a legion that "ought" to have been traitor but stayed loyal gives them a good background theme.
>>53182181when I pitched the idea initially it was simply because of the distance between that tendril of expeditions and the Emperor. They had so little contact and were self-reliant, only briefly commissioning supplies, and were so numerous that their warmaster started to believe he was a better Emperor. Technically speaking, they already "had" a second Imperium going already in all but name, and they then decided that with all the resources at their disposal they could wrestle supreme rule from the Emps.Meanwhile the Chaos side dove too close into warpfuckery territory or their legions already have a theme of occultism and psykers that ties them together, ultimately propelling eachother further into the arms of Chaos.Heretek seperatists could work but would require a legion of AdMech lovers, I think, one so strongly tied to the AdMech in fact that it overrules the fealty to Terra and becoming joined to a particularly progressive sect trying to push the boundaries of technology.
>>53182332I know the HH novels are highly disputed, but what I loved about the initial three releases surrounding Horus and the subtle beginnings of the brotherwar is that the Legions often struggled with the new administration that followed their conquests. It is repeatedly stated that Horus in particular was afraid of being expendable, that the new High Lords that Emperor had put in place while he was doing psykic warpfuckery were trying to steal all the benefits and honours while the Astartes were supposed to be discarded after their job was done.Now in case of OU Heresy, it was the Dark Gods that pushed Horus over the edge, but the fears were real within him. I believe those fears could have become just as strong without an archtraitor doing warpfuckery, and that in our AU we could make it so the warpfuckers are an independently working force while the separatists are Space Marines who feel disenfranchised and devalued. It could be they consist mostly of legions found later in the cycle, making their relationship with the Emperor weaker than others which fuels more into their insecurities and anger.
>>53182475I see what you're getting at and I like it. What would push the Warmaster over edge though? He'd have to be from one of the ealier legions, with the faith the Emperor puts in him.>>53182385I don't think AdMech lovers are necessarily required. Far from it in fact. The Seperatist legions would like to progress, try new weapons and machines, hell, maybe even work with certain xenos. I imagine the Seperatists feeling restrained by their father's narrow vision.
>>53182590Maybe Malcador convinces him to? Or he finds out that most of his power comes from a deal with Chaos?
>>53182590I would think the most loyal Warmaster would be the one that has been with the Emperor longest, the Chaoswarmaster comes sometime second and the separatist warmaster comes last, probably around 17th and higher. This way, we already have a natural division. We'll lack the level of tragedy brought about by the closest son betraying the father, however it makes much more sense on a human scale that the more neglected sons would develop more independently.
>>53182891An idea, Marduk is Chaoswarmaster. He's also found literally dead last. His legion is the first, so it's been fighting the longest and generally most alone. It's weary, it's outlook for the Imperium is not great, and in general they're pretty unhappy. But Marduk gets put with them, and he comes bearing a singular gift. Faith. Initially, it's a more Imperium-friendly version of the religion of his homeworld, but it ends up being the seeds of Chaos corruption in the legions.Dead last isn't really necessary, but certainly late.
>>53183093Very good. If one of the Loxodontii shamans is allowed to be the Archtraitor, we can already muse how his faith becomes twisted into Chaos worship.
>>53182385>I don't think AdMech lovers are necessarily required. Far from it in fact. The Seperatist legions would like to progress, try new weapons and machines, hell, maybe even work with certain xenos. I imagine the Seperatists feeling restrained by their father's narrow vision.Alamantur could definitely be the Arch-Traitor in this. Maybe the discoveries in the space hulk Psychagogoi showed him the true potential of humanity, and just how restrictive and paranoid the mechanicum truly is. If he has to fight the Imperium to achieve this change, then so be it. The possibility of 10,000 years of technological stagnation would definitely drive him to rebellion.
>>53183178Speaking of Loxodontii shamans here's the link to my doc again, the character I have in mind is called Barabash.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V__NgsBQIQY9MQZmpkk9t7CGSJWDQifQkHVuurZMJbg/edit#heading=h.iowa5vj8h936
>>53183093The Emperor wouldn't make the last son Warmaster though. Horus got it for being first, and the only real contender was the Lion, who was also early.
>>53183350I think who was and wasn't a contender is up for debate, although I agree Lion definitely was one of them.I believe it's important to keep in mind that the Warmaster was appointed after the Legions had accomplished a major campaign, so even though some were found fairly late, they still had a bit of time to prove their worth as leaders and their ability to cooperate (or their lack thereof). So if we assume that we have a similar grand campaign like Ullanor, then we have a timewindow in which the Emps can get to know his sons.Hypothetically speaking, the last discovered son could be a very likely pick, seeing how that one would have had a longer list of accomplishments than other primarchs upon their discovery, thus proving his ability to succeed even without the massive infrastructure and logistics aparatus that the Imperium is and without its supreme technology.In my post>>53182891, I admit I could be wrong, and the earlier sons could be the ones trying to be more independent, while the last found son is trying his most to connect with his lost father, making him the most loyal in the process.
>>53183350For some reason I got the impression there would be three warmasters, one for each "army group" so to speak.
Guys, I summarized my Legion here. I have plans to add a little more of backstory and deeds and battles.https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B54GxqBmAPc6ZXM3elFfU0YtN0U/view?usp=sharingThe division thing is going to be difficult. Just let people decide which side to pick. If there aren't enought in one side, we can move some Legion. Then, inside these factions, they could chose who will be their leader. Or roll for it. Don't know.
Aside from necrons, I feel like I should make a legion. Perhaps traitors this time...
>>53183596That was how we discussed it. I think his thought was that even if there's more than one warmaster, the prerequisite to become one would still be that the emps knows them and has a closer bond to them than being the last found primarch would allow.
>>53182344Hm, maybe swap Gold for Purple? Black+Gold is just red away from sharing the same palette with the Golden Mountains
Let's say:The Emprah wants a Warmaster, but his best candidate isn't trustworthy at all, so he decides to split the Warmaster's duties between 3 Warmasters. They would complement each other and control that the others don't cross the line.
>>53181671What Program did you use to draw up that space marine?
>>53184070I can't figure out how to change armor pieces with it.
>>53184356Are you using the generator or the constructor?
>>53184486There's a tab between the colors panel and the "Generate" panel called "Assemble". There you will find the pieces of armor
>>53183603I think you need to be a bit more focused on your specialisation or just make them a fairly vanilla jack-of-all-trades legion with a distinct close combat practice that sets them apart a bit. It says the rank-and-file tactical marines are both masters of shooting and fencing, and their primarch being a strategical genius capable of utilising his troops to full potential. That's basically a "be ready for everything" mentality.Then there's the droppods/heavytank/dreadnoughts aspect. Again, seems all over the place, and would much better be explained in being an allrounder legion with those aspects being distinctly different form other legions.For example:>The Silver Blades are masters of adaptation, switching gears to suit any battle situation they encounter. Hailing from a feudal world, there is a natural skill with the sword and pistol among the Astartes of this proud legion, which makes them especially deadly in close quarters combat.>Their favourite method of entering battle is to be hurled into combat through droppods, not caring about setting up an anvil to their hammer and just raining down devastating blow after blow, then spilling forth from their vessels and crushing their overwhelmed targets while they still recover from their nausea. Their honoured dead enterred in the Dreadnought sarcophagi often accompany them, and usually in larger than expected numbers due to their revered ancients not giving in to the much needed sleep to maintain their funcitonality. They are equipped to deliver core-firesupport for ther Tactical Marine brethren.>When in the open field, the Silver Blades usually deploy large amounts of tanks as weapon platforms to pummel the enemy down: Demolishers, Predators, Whirlwinds, all focus their fire to soften up an enemy position before the Silver Blades' footsoldiers move in to finish the job.[Cont.]
Mot Hadad>describe your talents as a primarchAn excellent smith of weapon and armor, and not a terrible battle commander either.>what is the name of your legion?The Bronze Lords>what are its main tactics/characteristics?Focus on heavy infantry with big guns and melee terminator support>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?Largely indifferent, Mot does not see the utility of these parlor tricks, but he doesn't see a reason to deprive his brothers of them either>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?Hashut
>>53184723Then there's the bit about the Geneseed. The way it reads now is that the Emperor actually let such a disfunctional legion carry on duty for a considerable time before they fixed their shit. I believe you should try and make it more along the lines of such:>Whether of incompetency, faulty equipment or Linares' personal genecode, it was clear that the legion faced a tremendous problem as the geneseed was so impure it created barely, if at all, functional organs to be implanted into the aspirants. Upon hearing these reports did the Emperor give Linares an ultimatum: To find a solution or to be culled. Why the emperor did not spend more time, being the genius behind the primarch's and space marine's bio-engineering, remains a mystery. What is known is that Linares, being the faithful and determined son he is, struggled day and night with his Apothecarii to root out the problem of an atrophied geneseed. At the final day of the ultimatum did Linares come before the Emperor and presented upon him a geneseed, not yet impure but stable and beautiful in its clarity. The Emperor was proud of his son that day and declared the Silver Blades to be allowed to recruit more aspirants, now that they could reproduce succesfully.Lastly, there's your homeworld. I get the feeling you're trying to make it a medieval feudal world, which is breddi gud. Why you would need 12 year olds to be trained for levy draft duty is questionable but if it's really an ONLY WAR planet, I guess it makes sense. It would be questionable if your aspirants benefit from this training or if the're not too old at that time.Linares being a lovable douche makes him a good fit for our batch of legions.
>>53184863>Bronze LordsYou tryinna fite me, pal? Cuz it looks like your tryinna fite me. I fucking love bronze dude.
>>53184723>>53184893Thanks, mate, much apreciated. Will fix it!
>>53184893Regarding the Homeworld, it isn't exactly a feudal world. Just one organized in such a maner. And the kids start the training when 12 years old, but get recruited when 18. During those years, the child will train in the use of his/her weapon, the tactics of battle, along physical training and house chores. They may get levied or not, is just the philosophy of the world and it's people. With the Orks camping in the mountains and a probably difficult past, seems logical that everyone should be able to at least defend himself. So, they train. And with time, the training becomes a tradition.
>>53185224Ah, that's cool. My point was the medieval aspect here, feudal worlds in the Imperium doesn't say anything about their actual tech level actually (or at least that's how I understood it)Regarding 12 year olds: Space marines usually recruit from around 8 years old if I recall correctly, and 12 being a number somewhere at the absolute edge of what's acceptable. So if training starts only at that age, the question I have is if your aspirants already benefit from that training or if it's just a major inspiration for your legion to also train their aspirants with the sword. Everything else is pretty much how Space Marines do it, anyway.Lastly, I think a highly militarised homeworld is breddi gud, lends itself very well to the raunchy-yet-professional character the legion is supposed to carry.
>>53185386Mmmm...difficult question here. If the Astartes start their training at 8, then they wouldn't enjoy the benefits of previous training. Don't know what to do. Maybe they would follow the standard selection/training of a SM, but focusing on CQC at those ages.
Updated the file. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B54GxqBmAPc6ZXM3elFfU0YtN0U/view?usp=sharingThe link
>>53185714Definitely an option.What I would find interesting right now is what your primarch's personal experiences were, how he grew up, why he became such an eternal tease/provocateur and why he personally is so focused on CQC. Your primarch's personality inevitably has a huge impact on how he shapes the legion's doctrine and their preferred way of combat, as well as their training and structure.In that regard I would suggest you write down some key experiences your primarch has had, like where he was found, by whom, how he was raised and what adversities he faced.
>>53184863Mot Hadad hails from Zharr-Naggrund, a desert planet covered by the bones of ancient megafauna. A world close to the eye of terror, Zharr-Naggrund was settled with varied feuding city-states upon Mot's arrival. That's all I have so far. I'd be happy to hear thoughts and suggestions.
>>53186711Are they going to be the mastercrafter legion? Because that would be baller.
>>53185857I will write it tomorrow. That was one of the things that I had thought about when cresting the Legion.
>>53186867Chaos mastercrafters, yes. Are you familiar with chaos dwarfs? Because that's the kind of feel I'm going for here.
>>53186901I know them a bit, I know they're slowly turning to statues thanks to Hashut's blessing, or at least their priesthood does, and they sacrifice a bunch of people by sealing them in brass bulls then cook them alive. They're also responsible for creating the Black Orcs and for the most part only existed as crew for the hellcannon in WHFB in later editions.I also know they have a strong mesopotamian culture, which makes them very similar to what I had in mind with the Loxodontii, and our legions would both be Chaosheretics. Our only difference right now is you have the mastercrafting, deploying heavy weapons and terminators while I'm going for a fast attack approach. On one hand, it might mean our legions become best friends, on the other it might mean we cover too much of the same ground.
>>53187020Wait, who aren't Mesopotamian, Celtic, or Indian?
>>53187059Spears of Dawn are Celtic, Loxodontii are Mesopotamian(Assyrian) and bronze age shamans, Leviathan Host is also Mesopotamian, Titan Marchers and Blazing Spears are Indian, and Golden Mountains are Inca/Native South-Americans
>>53187020I have to say I didn't know the thing about the statues, but it sounds like something I might want to incorporate into the legion as some kind of gene defect. Maybe they slowly turn to bronze instead.I think it's worth mentioning that I'm using Canaanite names for my stuff and not Babylonian ones.Also,>Babylon VReally nigga?
>>53187425Are Canaanite names really that different from other mesopotamian cultures? If it is more power to you.And concerning my planet's name: considering we've had quite a selection of trolls, and whether some like it or not WH40k does have tongue-in-cheek references, my answer is: Yes, nigga, fo' real.
>Zharr-NaggrundBathed in the dread light of the Eye of Terror, Zharr-Naggrund was a relatively hospitable world at the time of Mot Hadad's landing there. Ruled over by a cabal of smith-kings, the planet had a temperate climate dominated by rolling plains, sparse scrublands and blistering deserts. Most of the inhabitants of Zharr-Naggrund were slave laborers that served to build monuments to the smith-kings, who were said to be able to read the tides of the warp through their work and see the future. When Mot Hadar landed on Zharr-Naggrund, the prophets had foreseen his arrival for decades and inducted him into their order, teaching him their ways. By the time the Emperor reached Zharr-Naggrund, Mot Hadar was the sole ruler of the planet, having outlived all of the other smith-kings.
>>53188763>You can't just steal the entire name of a place from WH:FB!I don't really care, but watch yourself Sarco.Anyway, I broached it last thread and I'll bring it up again. Different Chaos Gods. Hashut should get to be one of the new big four. Progress on the Leviathan Host write up is slow, largely because I can't help but go into pointlessly dense purple prose every time I describe something.
>>53190496Maybe, but I think he works better as a foil for a pantheon than as actually part of the conventional group. I want to bring forward those Irish-monk lore keeper guys and have them be the patrons of some kind of horned god.
>>53190524I've been looking for a reason to post this picture. I'm thinking Mot will be one of those primarchs that's just a dick. What do you think?
>>53190556He certainly strikes me as our Perturabo, or an angrier Vulkan.
>>53190574That is certainly what I was going for. On the subject of new chaos gods - how different do we want them? Same basic spheres? A combination of spheres?
>>53190629Well, my idea was this.>Hashut takes ingenuity from Tzeentch and the urge to conquer from Khorne.>Horned God (Name TBA) Takes some of the more green-y nature stuff from Nurgle and obsession/lore mastery from Tzentch>Tiamat (Also Name TBA) Has both stagnation from Nurgle and endless change from TzeentchI dunno who the fourth god would be. It could honestly stay Slaanesh to keep the Eldar plot intact. Also, as a whole, my suggesting this is barely serious. It's kind of out there even for an AU but I wanted to bring a little extra flavor to it.
>>53181029This thread seems interesting, will contribute once I've read through the archives.
>>53181029Yall full up, or are there room for more to join?
>>53190901We've still got room.Here's the questions from last thread to get you started. >describe your talents as a primarch>what is the name of your legion?>what are its main tactics/characteristics?>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?
So summary of what has been disscussed so far?What are the general themes?Who's the archtraitors?
>>53191006Well, one of the ideas that's been broached quite a bit is that there actually ends up being multiple warmasters, maybe three. A loyalist, a separatist, and a Chaos war master. So the heresy goes three ways. Also maybe traitor Malcador, (separatist leader?). We really don't have very much though, seeing as we've mostly just posted legions up until now. I've got some ideas, but I have to get to sleep. So I hope this thread is still up in the morning and maybe with some development going.
>>53190931>describe your talents as a primarchYochin Theritax, primarch of the Cacophonous Adherents. A masterful orator, he is able to whip a crowd into a frenzy at a moment's notice. He is a musical prodigy of the highest order, and his hands can make awe-inspiring music from the simplest of instruments. Greatest of all is his personal aura, he inspires devotion and fear in the hearts of all who witness him.>what is the name of your legion?Cacophonous Adherents>what are its main tactics/characteristics?The Cacophonous Adherents wield sonic cannons in battle, smiting heretics with the melodious hymns of the Emperor, and many of them find great pleasure in cleansing their foes in white promethium. The Legion is few in number, they depend on mortal auxiliaries and orbital bombardment to defeat their foes. To the last man, they are fanatical worshipers of the Emperor, and believe that the truest way to glorify him is through song and music.>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?The Emperor is Above All, His will is final, and all who oppose Him must repent of their sins or be cast into the fires of purgatory.>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?The Emperor is the Savior of Mankind, there is no purpose but to serve Him, there is no cause but to slay all who oppose Him.>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the othersThe Cacophonous Adherents find most Legions to be weak in their faith and misguided in their ways, but relentlessly praise those who put the Emperor before all else, even their battle-brothers and their lives.> (cont)
>>53191662>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeatsThe Cacophonous Adherents struck a mighty blow against Chaos at the battle of Yoshun V, where scarcely 500 Marines unflinchingly withstood the advance of five times their number. The Cacophonous Adherents suffered a devastating belief when the temptations of the warp led a third of the Legion and many of their mortal auxiliaries to heresy during an arduous voyage. Upon emerging into the Materium the Traitors ambushed their former brethren in an unexpected onslaught. Despite their fervor, the Loyalists were caught off guard, they were overwhelmed by confusion, their formations were shattered, losing at least half of their number, and they were forced to flee. This battle lives on in the Legion's memory, known as the "Rending of Innocence." The Traitorous Marines have earned the eternal enmity of the Cacophonous Adherents, and the Loyalists daily flagellate themselves in repentance for their failure.>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?Clearly word of our failure has reached the Emperor. We extend our humblest supplications in askance of forgiveness, and explain the crushing defeat our Legion suffered. If Leman Russ recognizes us, yet still attempts war, clearly he has been led astray by Chaos, and we must defend ourselves at all costs! Bombardment of their fleet commences, and we do our best to evade their boarding maneuvers. Though we are certainly outclassed, we will gladly give our lives for the Emperor.> (cont)
>>53191662>>53191686>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?The Cacophonous Adherents have black veins, and shadowy ichor, they believe that this taint is a punishment for their failure in the Rending of Innocence, and feel that they are less than dogs in the Emperor's sight. The Cacophonous Adherents prefer sonic cannons, flamers, and thunderous hymns to bolters, feeling them unfitting and insufficient for the task of slaying the foes of the Emperor. The Cacophonous Adherents carve intricate runes into their flesh and armor, detailing their valorous deeds and hymnal compositions.>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?Sonic weaponry and white promethium is the Legion's signature.>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?The Cacophonous Adherents make heavy use of mortal auxiliaries to supplement their low numbers, though originally, the practice arose when Yochin Theritax came to the belief that it is unfitting for a Legion of the Emperor to be composed entirely of Space Marines, and that it cleanses the spirit of Space Marines to witness the faith of mortals in holy crusade.>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?Horus offered the power to compose a symphony of such great perfection, that all who heard it would gnash their teeth and rip their clothes in anguish, knowing that they would never again hear such a noise. Yochin Theritax replied that the greatest of symphonies is nothing without faith to inspire it, and spit on the ground before him.
>>53190931Cool deal.Name: Ghol AdzoPrimarch Talents: Grew up on a Death World, came to view all life other than himself as a threat. When the Emperor rescued him and gave him the tools to fight back, for the first time the Primarch had allies who could help watch his back. Incinerated his entire homeworld, never looked back. Extraordinarily tough/resilient even by Primarch standards thanks to his symbiote, has developed a precognitive danger sense that kept him alive in childhood. Legion Name: The Husk MenTactics/Characteristics: Total annihilation of all nonhuman life in their deployment zone, without regard to collateral damage. Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, and Warp/Void weapons are all favored and used as frequently as possible. Also very skilled at cleaning up the aftereffects of their weaponry, if convinced it is necessary. Legion is somewhat paranoid, doesn't trust their allies to ensure that all possible threats are truly subdued. Nikea: Doesn't care one way or the other. Heresy: Stays loosely loyal, although the Imperium's fragmentation gives him the urge to flee into the shadows as he did during childhood to survive. What little trust he built towards his brethren is highly strained. Friendships/Rivalries: TBD. Memorable Victories/Defeats: TBD.Signature Weapon/etc: A still-living weapon made from the deadliest plant of his homeworld. Normally a fatal parasitic life-stealer, his Primarch nature forced the plant into an unnatural symbiosis instead, serving his will. It emerges from his body when called, and can form a sword/spear as well as a shield. Grown strong by tapping a Primarch's blood, it can cut through almost any armor, depositing tendrils inside which search for any living flesh they can find, with hideously fatal results. The shield is nearly unbreakable, and when struck, it releases a blinding fog of corrosive venom and toxic spores. The Primarch truly hates this plant, and resents that it kept him alive as a child. >cont
>>53190747That's two gods taking influence from Nurgle and Tzeentch.
>>53191909You're right. Maybe add some of that bloodlust and trophy taking to the Horned God? That said, those descriptions are kind of gross simplifications. Obviously they're more than just stuck together pieces of the gods we already have, but I thought it was easiest to present them as amalgams for the sake of reference.
>>53191789>>53190931Major geneseed defect: The Black Carapace is *entirely nonfunctional*. Their Primarch's symbiote altered his entire gene-seed, lacing him with its own xeno DNA such that the Carapace is treated as another invading parasite. His gene-sons have sadly inherited this flaw, and not even the Emperor was able to cure it. If implanted with a Carapace, the Husk Men suffer systemic immune reactions leading to certain death. They can still wear armor, but they have nowhere near the agility benefits that other Legions receive. This gaping deficiency significantly contributed to their "Strike first and hardest, before we are struck" mentality. They also secretly suspect that other Legions consider them unworthy or crippled. Leman Russ: The Legion's worst fears are confirmed. They have been judged as deviants/unworthy to be marines/mutants/whatever, and will be purged accordingly. The moment Russ declares them as targets, they unload everything they have at him like cornered animals, without restraint. Codex Deviations: Many. The Legion cared little for the Codex, and they bend its rules as hard as they can, as often as they can, if it makes them feel more secure in their position or if they feel it prevents their victory. Horus' Offers: He said he could heal the Legion, make them true Marines. Even purge the parasite from their Primarch. He was rejected, for Ghol was insightful beyond almost any other Primarch. He did not know exactly *why* Horus made his instincts scream "DANGER!", only that they did. Ghol would only have traded one parasite for four. Hopefully this general concept isn't total gibberish, lol.
>>53190747What if the Eldar weren't filthy degenerates? What if they created another chaos god?
>>53192001Spitballing concepts here, what do you think of this?>Hashut embodies the urge to innovate, perfect, and improve all things, he is obsessed with acquiring anything and everything seen as valuable, subjugating all others, and establishing an eternal empire. He views the arcane as an insult to mortal ingenuity, and strives to destroy psykers.>The Horned God is the master of elusive and esoteric knowledge, eldritch powers beyond mortal comprehension, and the primal call of nature, urging his followers to give into their urges and inner madness, striving to master the unholy abilities the Horned God grants them, collecting depraved trophies of their slain enemies, and indulging themselves every chance they get.> Tiamat is uncontested queen of the warp, and the stars above, she embodies the slow rhythmic change in all things, her touch constantly shifts and changes the bodies of her followers, slowly shifting them to an "ideal" form, she takes great pleasure in the pursuit of one's foes and the hunt, whether for vengeance, glory, or stubbornness, she cares not so long as the hunt is held in earnest.What should we do for the fourth deity?
>>53192224It might be because I'm a DnD player, but I'm not sold on the name Tiamat.
>>53190931Name: Emil Kannav>Primarch TalentsEmil crash-landed on a harsh, frozen world and was horribly maimed in so doing. His incubator pod was smashed to pieces and if observers in a nearby hive city had not seen his re-entry smoke trail, the child would assuredly have frozen to death in the wastes. Even still, Emil lost his arms, legs, nose and ears to frostbite before rescue could arrive. The hive dwellers built prosthetic replacements for Emil, and as he grew older his developing psyker potential wound around the crude cybernetics, supporting and strengthening them. He went from hobbling to walking to sprinting in only a few years, using his artificial implants as psychic foci. As he reached manhood, Emil developed his own modifications as well, becoming an expert craftsman specializing in small, detailed work. Well before the Emperor's arrival, Emil achieved a great breakthrough in his craft which he would later share with the Legion.>Legion NameThe Legion is known as the Steel Souls.>Main Tactics and CharacteristicsThe Legion's tactics aren't wildly different from the average. They try and remain flexible to changing situations. Many Marines have implants or cybernetic parts modeled after their Primarch's, awakening glimmers of potential in ordinary humans and significantly boosting those who already manifest psychic powers. >Council of NikeaEmil is pro-psyker, of course. He does however strongly maintain that his tools help bind and channel Warp energy in a much safer manner than raw sorcery, and should not be judged by the same standards as those who recklessly tap the Immaterium. >HeresyIf the Steel Souls faced censure at Nikea, they side with Horus. If the Emperor agreed with Emil's argument, they remain loyal. >Friendships, Rivalries, Victories and DefeatsToo early to tell at this point. >Leman RussThe Steel Souls hold no secrets, and Russ should know that. Emil freely shared his research with the Emperor and Primarchs.>cont
>>53193158>>53190931>Major Geneseed defectThe Steel Souls have a malfunctioning Ossmodula. Initially the bones grow in as normal, but over time the Marines suffer from a kind of osteoporosis in the limbs. Post-Heresy they discovered that every son of Emil suffered from the psychic echo of his childhood. Because their gene-sire's limbs were destroyed, so too do theirs suffer. And just as Emil designed himself replacements, so too do his children. >Signature weapons and shitAbove all else the Steel Souls are known for their Psybernetics, which come in a staggering array of forms and functions, tailored to each Marine's needs. No two are identical, and each is a deeply personal artifact which the Marine will craft. The oldest Steel Souls will have multiple of these master-crafted implants, and the care with which they are constructed impresses even the most jaded Magos.>Major deviation from the CodexThe Steel Souls don't really deviate from the Codex, accepting it as a highly useful tool in its own right. They do however maintain a very large population of Chapter Serfs. Just as the hive city did not cast out their crippled Primarch, the Steel Souls strongly detest casting out their failed Aspirants and Neophytes unless they absolutely have to. It is very common for the Legion to field auxiliary squads of aerospace and armor piloted by Serfs alongside their Marine forces. And even though they cannot become Marines, Serfs with psychic potential respond as well as Marines to Psybernetic enhancements. (If they fall to Chaos) Hold your tits, here comes an amalgamation of metal, flesh, and raw Warp energy that used to be a Marine. The entire Legion turns into a cross between Rubric Marines and Obliterators, and goes completely batshit insane. [BAD END]>Horus's shitHe offers Emil the perfect fusion of Psybernetics and the Warp, and endless power to push the limits of his art. Both Slannesh and Tzeentch make efforts to claim Emil and his Legion. Thoughts?
As Chaos isn't bad per se, we may have one God that isn't bad at all. That would create confrontations with his peers, and great devotion in the Empire. He isn't bad per se, but is a chaos god, so he can't be trusted as he may still do bad things. What would be his traits?
>>53193471That's veering pretty far away from basically every description of Chaos. Essentially you're talking about Nice Guy Malal. I don't foresee anything but nerd rage and endless arguments ensuing from trying to rework the Chaos Gods, but glhf dude.
>>53191662>>53191686>>53191703Fine!>>53193158>>53193442Good one, seems good!>>53192010>>53191789This is fine, too.Now, you may develop a painting scheme for your Legion. Use this.https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads
>>53193549So, we are sticking to a more traditional chaos god, right?
>>53193606I've just joined the thread a little while ago, so I'm not telling anyone to do anything. I merely caution to pick battles wisely, and not change things unless it both adds to the narrative and can be completed in a reasonable timeframe.
>>53193639Just woke up. I'll be reading the rest of the thread later. I do agree with this new guy. Introducing a new chaos god is not a problem per se, I don't think we should introduce a new major power. That upsets the balance too much. Not to mention the god you propose is basically a nicer Malal, which we could just use Malal if we really wanted to.
>>53193158>>53193442>>53193587Steel Souls Marine, relatively young. Showcasing both their Silver + Gold/Bronze trim color scheme, and that he is already missing a leg due to gene-seed mutations. While crude now, in time the Marine will be expected to create a true work of Psybernetic art. But now it's time for bed, lol.
need to fuck an highelf
>>53193953While a good scheme, we already have two legions with a lot of bronze, one of which is called the Bronze Lords, and another legion called the Silver Blades. So maybe you could opt for something else with the colors?
>>53194391Maybe a Black/purple one? Or is already taken?
I'll pull the images from the last thread into a single pic for us.At least for those legions with numbers. I'm not sure which other Legions have been accepted
>>53183671>>53183596>>53183552Reading through your points, I think I agree with you. Having the Warmasters being the first, second and one of the later sons is actually kind of cool. If the first stays loyal we don't have the emotional weight of the favored son going full traitor, but we do get to see the favored son dealing with the horror of Big E's death.>>53183734I think that's pretty much the idea. Instead of him putting all of the power in the hands of a single son, he decides to split the power among three of the most competent son, in order to not give the impression he's playing favorites.>>53184863>>53184893>>53185046>>53186711I'm liking the Bronze Lords, though I do agree with >>53187020 that we might be going a bit too overboard on the ancient civlizations. We'll have to atleast make sure they're sufficiently different.We really need to get in a couple of legions based on more modern cultures though.>>53187399The Titan Marchers are a combination of Sikh and Ottoman culture. Will try to write up a decent piece this afternoon.>>53190471>>53190496>>53190524>>53190556>>53190747Like I said in >>53193777, introducing new Chaos Gods is fine, but we shouldn't change the basic major four. The only real change we should make is changing the primarchs. Everything else should come as a consequence of that.>>53191058Pretty much this. Though we still need to hash out the details, most likely once we have all the legions. Personally, I'm not a fan of having Malcador seperate from the Imperium. He pretty much is the Imperium incarnate.------------I'lll give some feedback on the proposed legions next. I'll also inventorize what we've got so far later.
>>53195324Not sure of who's been accepted after the last list in the OP. It can be hard to figure out if a proposed legion actually wants to join in or just post their idea and go on with their day.
>>53192224My question is are these gods supposed to replace the original ones or are they addition to the roster?I would much prefer the latter, with a clear statement that the big four (Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh) are the top dogs still while their positions are contested by minor deities. They are the most renown and technically most powerful, yet still must be vigilant to stay in power or else other gods might topple them.
>>53195378I agree. More gods is perfectly fine, kind of cool even, I like the Bronze Lords falling to Chaos through Hashut, but the big four are a staple of 40k and shouldn't be replaced.
>>53195352Yeah. Thats the issue I've been having.Anyway. Here are the first 7 Legions that I can find complete schemes for. Hopefully it's not too large for mobile users.
>>53195685That works. I'll try to get a scheme out for the Titan Marchers later this afternoon.
Silver Blades Battle—Brother in Mk.III Power Armor, along the iconic Silver Blade
>>53195685Why are they separated into groups?
>>53196055They are in Legion order. As the other numbers get filled in it will make more sense. I just like being prepared so I don't have to re-do the whole thing each time a new Legion joins us.
>NameIron Guard>PrimarchZelbezis Dyestes>Legion/Primarch PersonalityObstinate, uncompromising, seeing themselves as judges, jury and executioners of an impossibly restrictive justice. The word "freedom" has no meaning to them.>Tactical SpecialtyUrban warfare, mobile infantry tactics, disciplined butchery>ThematicsDaco-Thracia, WWII Croatian and Romanian fascism, 1990s Serbian warcrimes>ColorsDrab and black, with iron and red accents. Legion emblem is a portcullis.>AllegianceSeparatists
>>53196093Ah, okay! Could you change the pic of the SB for this >>53196046 one? If you want and next time you work on it.
>>53195685>>53196122I'm liking the Iron Guard. I like legions based on more modern post-renaissance era civilizations and cultures. The only problem I have with them right now is that their color scheme is completely identical to Imperium Asunder's Second Sons, see pic related.
>>53196137Sorted. It's in for the next upload>>53196209I probably should have warned that that one might not be 100% accurate as I mocked it up based on the image in the last thread.
>>53196209I'll figure out how to incorporate more red in it, though I'll have to do it by hand, as Chapter Generator is incompatible with my PC.
>>53196302I had a bit of a play in the editor and came up with this. Not sure if it's better/appropriate in your mind though. Mostly I darkened the grey shade and added more red accents to minor armour pieces.
>>53196356I like it! If I wanted to get nitpicky I'd point out you forgot to color the two orbs on the backpack…Oh, maybe a red aquilla could look nice?
>>53196356>>53196375Call it a ruby aquila for style points.
>>53196375Well according to the program they're in gunmetal :P Here's one with a red Aquila and grey backpack exhausts for comparison
>>53196416Aight, looks good! I think the ruby aquilla works well.
>>53196436We'll see how Iron Guard anon feel when he returns
>>53196416Not bad, I'm not sure about the Aquila on a non-loyalist legion. Here's my version, including elements of your attempt. Initially tried to do a "red right arm of justice", Dusk Raiders style, but it clashed too much with the green, so I resorted to black.
>>53196605Damn dog, loving that artfaggotry!
>>53196605Looking good. Would you like me to do a version in the chapter generator?
>>53196623Not artfagottery in itself, mostly just painting in a template I found somewhere. Though as far as artfagging is concerned, I'm gonna try to produce a portrait of Zelbezis.Concerning the XII Legion itself, I'm starting to fluff them out a little. The early Legion was a complete mess, with individual chapters doing their own thing, and the command structure being more of a social construct, but with a distinctive drive for destruction. Then Zelby came in, took that destructive energy and with iron discipline wrought it into an utterly order-focused legion, with a hierarchy that would make Guilliman look lenient.
>>53196796I think that Zelbezis and Quaestor Krees would get on quite well then (at least until you become a dirty traitor). They both seem to value order and impose rigid discipline upon their Legions.
First attempt at a Titan Marchers scheme. I feel like it might be a bit too busy, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
>>53197144My advice is keep the different colors in their respective sections. The helmet, upper and lower arms, and legs + kneepads should be solid colors.
>>53197144Orange and blue are technically complementary colours and thus create the most contrast. While that sometimes means it's a good combination it can also turn out to be extremely straining on the eyes. Right now you're sitting at a 50/50 ratio, which makes it difficult to see whether your colours are supposed to be cold or warm.I would suggest going for 66/33 or even 80/20. So far our legions are fairly dark, so if you like put more emphasis on the orange with blue taking a back seat, or brighten up the blue and darken the orange and use orange to put accents to the scheme.Overall I think it's good choice of colours and just needs a bit of tweaking.
>>53197175I disagree, >>53195685 the second one does mixed colors all around and it goes well.
>>53197144Could this be of use? That's the scheme for another Sikh-inspired legion I have running in the same AU the Iron Guard originates from
>>53197226I don' think it does.
>>53197175>>53197224>>53197242Alright, mk2 coming up
>>53197384I like that.
>>53197384Looks much better to me too
Is there a place I could find a list of googledocs for all of the Primarchs and Legions as I'd also like to throw one into the mix but don't want to accidentally create a clone (also they're just interesting to read)
>>53197424No one has really compiled them all yet. We've got the list at the top of the thread of all the confirmed "canon" ones so far, but otherwise I think you'll have to look through the threads. I'd suggest taking one of the lines of questionnaire and using it to search through the last thread, but we got a bunch of troll-y responses so it'll be pretty bloated too.
>>53195685Here's a line marine from the Bronze Lords, I realize that all the others I made are wearing robes.
>>53197384Much better fampai
>>53197394>>53197402>>53197494Neato. Let's go with this then.
>>53197424>>53197441Well... I may have made a small start on compiling things.Though it's very basic stuff for now and mostly Legion related.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEM/edit?usp=sharingIt's only set to comments for now, though I can open it up for editing if you'd prefer
>>53197566I'd prefer if you could set it to editing
>>53195685Cacophonous Adherents anon here, I'll try to have a color scheme by the end of the day.
>>53197593Oh right, I meant to comment on the new contributors earlier... are you set on that name? It's kind of a mouthful. Other than that, feel free to join right in!
>>53197584Should be sorted, now>>53197458Before I add you into the image I'll need your Legion Number (I guess you can pick from what's left, or roll a d20 like the rest of us did)
Sorry about the late entrance boys. Work's been long and so is socializing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LJh0RkHrfDW8H3LgFTGgt-mhqNJeh9FIBw48botbYy8/edit?usp=sharingIt's not fully complete yet, but it's better than nothing
Rolled 18 (1d20)>>53197614Let's see here... I'll reroll if necessary.
>>53197607Great! I like the name, it seems grandiose enough to fit the tone of the setting, but you're right about it being a bit of a mouthful...How about the Symphonious Disciples?
Rolled 20 (1d20)>>53197728rerolling>>53197734Sure, that sounds better to me
>>53197734Symphonius Disciples is catchier, yes. Loyalist noise marines yes
Rolled 12 (1d20)>>53197814Yes indeed... Rolling for Legion number, if the result is already taken I'm completely fine with being allocated into whatever is left.
>>5319783612th spot is taken, welcome 11th Legion of the Emperor!
Dunno if I'm getting in late, will have more later today after work>describe your talents as a primarchPlanned atrocities, co-ordination of firepower, more skilled with firearms than with the blade>what is the name of your legion?Death’s Heads>what are its main tactics/characteristics?Annihilation Operations, Chemical weaponry, Phosphex usage, Cybernetica inductees, population culling, fear techniques>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?Slightly pro-psyker, mostly indifferent>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?Chaos (potentially the Horned God?)
Two things:1. We really need to decide on the number of legions we are going to roll with, either 20 or 21.2. We need more Seperatist legions. So far, we have only one.
>>53197144I like this.>>53197384This was fine, too. Maybe the Mk.I should be left to the veterans or the honor guard?>>53197242Dope!>>53197458This one is great too
>>53197920If needed, put me in the separatist section...The Primarch won't like it. Nor the Legion itself. But a good background would do the job to convince them
>>53197902AVE IMPERATOR! HIS LIGHT CLEANSES ALL EVIL AND IN HIS SIGHT WE ARE MADE WHOLE! ALL PRAISE BE TO HIS NAME FOR HE IS UPON US! ...That said, my PC is fairly obsolete, so it'll be sometime until I've managed to download the ChapterGenerator.
What signature weapons does your primarch use, if any? Mot Hadad makes use of a massive two-handed chainaxe.>>53197905>Death's Heads
>>53197920I'm doing a write up for a separatist legion at the moment, which is the name of the other separatist legion?
>>53197988The Iron Guard>>53197982>>53197905I noticed the Wolfenstein nod too... it does make for a nice Nurgle legion though.
>>53197982>>53198013They would have a WWI-Germany/Nazi Germany asthetic to them, at least pre-heresy, was what I was thinkingalthough I've never played Wolfenstein, I just knew about the SS "Totenkopf" Division, and thought that kind of idea would go well with the Legion idea
>>53197920You know what, for the sake of distinguishing ourselves more, I'd say we should try to avoid 20 primarchs.Now as I see it, new applicants come in slowly, so for the sake of using our momentum, I believe >>53197925 would probably be the best approach, going 6-6-6.Also it's no wonder we have only one separatist legion. The basic question catalogue which applicants fill out only has the choice chaos or emperor. In this case I'd say people who say they'd side with horus in the questionnaire who are not directly associated with chaos (i.e. no religious, spritiual, occult or such themes) should move over to separatists, as they probably have the least reason to actually pursue space magic and would rather be a euphoric organisaton on their own.
What are we going to do about the Chaos Gods? The way I see it, there are three options,> 1.) Vanilla Chaos, Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh, a bit boring, but it works.> 2.) Octuple Chaos, the standard Chaos Gods, Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, in addition to Hashut, The Horned God, Tiamat, and Malal.> 3.) Hipster Chaos, no standard Chaos Gods, instead, the home-brewed Chaos Gods Hashut, The Horned God, Tiamat, and Malal.I really like the concept of Octuple Chaos, things would get ridiculously complicated. Most of the Chaos Legions follow Hashut, the Horned God, Tiamat, and Malal, which means the Big Four wouldn't have many Space Marines, at least at first. What if the Big Four were more powerful than the Minor Chaos Gods but depended on Daemons and Cultist hordes, as opposed to the Minor Chaos Gods, who primarily depend on the Legions and their mortal auxiliaries?
>>53197982Zelbezis makes his trade with a powered falx and a flamer. Maim, kill, burn.
>>53198085I say we do it like the pachyderm said here >>53195378
>>53197982Je'she uses a power glaive in close combat, with his Epic inscribed upon the staff
>>53198085Octuple chaos, obviously. It's not the EIGHTfold path for no reason.
>>53198118I agree completely, the idea of a Space Marine discrepancy between the Major Chaos Gods and the Minor Chaos Gods intrigues me.
>>53198085Hold your horses my hyped up hombre.I think it would be false to just add more major gods to the Great Game, but I do like your take with major gods having actual demon armies while lesser gods (Hashut, Horned King, Malal and Tiamat[not yet truly defined is she?]) really depend on mortal servants.That is to say, I support your notion with the exception of making hashut etc. on the same level as the big four, instead making them important to the plot because they are direct patrons of their legions.
>>53198079Dunno man, we still have people showing up, we might be able to fill up 21 slots. If we feel like we're really not getting them filled, I'm sure some people might be interested in picking up a second legion?>>53198085Octuple Chaos, definitely. More Chaos, more fun. We still have a couple of slots left to fill, I'm sure we'll find something for the big ones. The Horned Rat has always seemed the most redundant to me. If you want to go plague and poison direction, just go for Nurgle. Don't try to be too much of a hipster.
>>53197982Quaestor Krees makes good use of a large artificer-crafted rifle and a dueling sabre.>>531980858 gods sounds like fun :) It's almost enough to tempt me to join...Oh. And enjoy a small image update
Well, just one question. What does AU stands for?
>>53198170AustraliaSo alternate universe
>>53181029>>53134947>>53135612I'm not these guy's anon, but I think they ought to be brought forward. Even if we already kind of have a Celtic legion.
>>53198185>>53198193Ookay>>53198166This roster looks pretty damn good.
>>53198166Thank you for your cataloguing work TotalBritscuit
>>53198170>>53198185We still need a better name for this one.Warmasters Triumvate? WT or W3 for short.
>>53198203Works for me
This capture might be useful for our workings on minor gods.
>>53198165I advise against single people taking on multiple legions. It lends itself easily to one person taking on more than they really can take care of and creativity being spread across too many factors, which I suspect will only lead to a bunch of half-assed legions before the project gets abdandoned, altogether.>>53198203Agreed.
We should add the Excel's link to the OP in the next thread, as well as the new name and such.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEM/edit?usp=sharing
>>53197956I've managed to download ChapterGenerator, and after a bit of bungling, realized there was option for the English language. Here's a Symphonious Disciple in a suit of Mk 1 armor, I'll have a Terminator soon.
>>53198320Fair enough, but it's managable to get us up to the full 20. I'd like to do 20, maybe even 21, because having the proper 7-7-7 split just best to me.
>>53198320And besides, it'd be fun to writefag interactions between the legions. If one person tends to their respective legion, it would solidify the personality of the legion more
>>53198354While you certainly don't want to make a scheme too complicated, that marine is literally all yellow. He could do with some embellishment.
>>53198373I would do that.
>>53198161> That is to say, I support your notion with the exception of making hashut etc. on the same level as the big four, instead making them important to the plot because they are direct patrons of their legions.I never said that Hashut, the Horned God, Tiamat, and Malal should be equal to the Big Four, and I think it would be more interesting if they were the direct patrons of the Legions, as you've said.> Octuple Chaos, definitely. More Chaos, more fun. We still have a couple of slots left to fill, I'm sure we'll find something for the big ones. The Horned Rat has always seemed the most redundant to me. If you want to go plague and poison direction, just go for Nurgle. Don't try to be too much of a hipster.I was thinking that instead of the Horned Rat, we should call it the Horned God, and that instead of going the plague/poison route for the deity, make the deity all about esoteric secrets, primal instincts, and nature's brutality.>>53198166The more the merrier... Looks great.
>>53198374I couldn't figure out how to apply symbols to the pauldrons, and this isn't my final result, I'll work on it.Say, if Hashut is a full-fledged Chaos God, will Squats be a major part of the Alternate Universe?
>>53198416We could base the Horned God off of Cernunnos, a gaulish god of the forest and patron of druids, making him sort of a perfect fit of that area.The thing is, Cernunnos actually translates to the "Antlered One", and Nurgle has quite some aspects of Cernunnos (as well as Freyr, who also happens to have antlers in some depictions apparently). It might be a tad bit too overlapping in design, or basically mean that the Horned God is just a greater demon of Nurgle.
>>53198416Did you read the screencap I posted? It talks about how the "minor" gods reflect aspects of society as opposed to the psychological aspects of the big four. The Horned God would be about politicking, lies, power and selfishness.>>53198452I couldn't figure out where the pauldron symbols were in the chapter constructor, but they're under sigil in the right tabs in the chapter generator. As for squats, they could be, but I was going to have Hashut be the focus of worship for the Bronze Lords, who may be in need of a name change to avoid too much overlap with the Loxodontii. They were going to be like space chaos dwarfs, so maybe the Forge Lords?
>>53198477I like that idea, but you're right about the Nurgle overlap. That said, I think the esoteric knowledge bent and nature's wrath concept differentiates the Horned God.>>53198480I haven't read your screen-cap, but I'll look for it, that sounds pretty good. You're right about the sigil, and I've figured out how to apply them, just click and drag. In my opinion, Bronze Lords and Forge Lords are both kickass names, but it's your Legion, and your decision.
>>53198452I think this is much better than before, what's your opinion?
Luminon Liberus“The Headsman”>Describe your talents as a primarchLuminon has the ability to get inside the heads of his foes. He is a tactically minded and constantly inspired tactician and whilst he far outstrips other space marines in combat prowess he is lowly when compared to other Primarchs. In his youth he suffered on the world of Tartarus (name a wip as it is not the DoW one) and in that suffering bettered himself, very empathetic towards those who cannot help themselves but hates those who can help yet don’t.>What is the name of your legion?The Lambent Brotherhood>What are its main tactics/characteristics?The Lambent brotherhood utilise whatever tactics are necessary to cut the head from the beast. They prioritise devastating the enemy leadership wherever possible and use their gruesome gene seed defect to their advantage. Whilst they keep their armoury stocked with all of the usual things they tend to use stealth insertions and drop pods. They leave the heads of their victims intact wherever they can.>As a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?Whilst nearly devoid of traditional psykers, he believes that their are bigger issues to be focussed on. Whilst the dangers of Psykers are apparent, he believes that prosecution of somebody because of their powers should not be undertaken especially when they still use their powers. He is ignorant of the issue overall though, as his main insight comes from eating the brains of others. As a result of not fully understanding the issue he sees it as Imperial oversight causing yet more issues.>At the time of the heresy, who do you side with?SeparatistsCont.
>>53198598It's such a good scheme, GW already uses it
>>53198480Mountain Kings? Might as well go full dorf, and give yourself more access to a wider range of mineral references. Everything else could still be distinctly chaos-dwarf-ish.
>>53198618>What's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?These Marines have two major defects in their gene seed, the first is that they inexplicably glow a pale green in darkness and the second is their Omophagea must be appeased with the brains of their victims or they will be overcome by a madness as their brain begins to shut down due to a lack of genetic stimulation from exterior sources. They do not suffer from eating brains.>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?Luminon has three pieces of wargear from separate points in his life, the first is from his youth and is called “Last Stand”. It is a piece of wargear from the dark age of technology. What would have in them days functioned as a regular chainsaw like device is wielded by the Primarch with devastating functionality and was used in his youth to fend off the violent mutants that plagued his homeworld.The second is called “Dreadroar” and is a fantastically engineered shotgun made specially for the Primarch upon his rediscovery. It is capable of turning an Ork Boss into a mess of green meat or turning a ceramite wall into a breachable hole.His third piece of wargear is called the “Crown of Prophecy”. It isn’t much more than his original power armour helmet with heavy modifications that make him able to eat the brains of the deceased without removing it (as he had to before he seceded from the Imperium)Theme is sort of a Zombie Apocalypse world and the values it gave their primarch etc. I'll post his early life next post and then pending approval will work on victories and stuff.Cont.
>>53198666>History pre-discovery.The Primarch who would become known as “The Headsman” was thrown through the warp to end up on the radiation raked world of Tartarus. This once bustling hive world had fallen into darkness. Cut off from the rest of Humanity by terrible warp storms the engineers of the world had come up with a new miracle power source (probably granted by some chaos fuckery) and installed one of these perpetual generators into each of the hives. Of course this eventually backfired as all of the generators were simultaneously overloaded by chaos cultists and the hives were reduced to glowing beacons of radiation, the people who once lived there becoming nothing more than disgusting zombie like mutants.It was into this world that Luminon was cast and luckily discovered by non mutant survivors. At first they took his glowing green skin as a bad omen and some wanted to kill the boy, but the leader of the survivors, a woman named Luella, said that he was otherwise unblemished and took it that he could be the cure for the horrifying mutation that had overcome the rest of their race. In a way she was right.As he grew, the Primarch became a capable warrior and quickly rose to the head of his band but alas it could not last. One by one the people were overcome with the radiation and reduced to horrifying gibbering mutants. When the last of the band had died Luminon spent a long time travelling on the planet, saving people from the zombie creatures and became the legend “The Headsman” as he would appear just when all hope was lost and save a colony or band of survivors from becoming overrun.Cont.
>>53198650Great minds think alike and sometimes a fool strikes gold. So that's a yes?
>>53198705Well it's good, but I think you should create something new.
>>53198704He wandered like this for years and years, until he believed he was the last person on the planet not overcome by the mutation. From his years of devouring the brains of the dead he had absorbed many memories and experiences not his own and wept for the loss of Tartarus. The emperor found him eventually and he vowed that he would never let what happened to his world happen to another. He made this oath in silence as he stood, tight lipped by his father and watched the exterminatus bathe his planet.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qgB2Ju2xJwN0lhFOKlhcFOIO19IH7c76SACPcJ9y-Yg/edit?usp=sharing
>>53198598I think adding more black might do the trick, and adding a third colour for miniscule details.
>>53198720>>53198795Fair enough, I've got two Marine concepts, tell me which you like better.
>>53198900And here's the second.
>>53198900>>53198919I like the white one more, though I'm not sure about that particular shade of yellow... it seems very saturated.
>>53181029Reposting my Legion.>NameKnights of the Thorn>PrimarchSir Ludwick the Thorn>Legion/Primarch PersonalityMorals are a mix of a Ork and a Spartan.Might makes right but I must protect those weaker then me.>Tactical SpecialtyAttrition to the max.>ThematicsThey allow vines and roots to grow on their building's, old armour and broken vehicles.>ColorsGrey and dark green.Their insignia is a circle of thorns.During the Horus heresy they became traitors.Genetic defect makes roots grow from untreated wounds, the bigger the wound the faster it grows.Having too many wounds causes the roots to kill the space marine by suffacation if he's not already dead from his wounds and then they firmly plant themselves into the ground and begin growing into large clumps of thorny vines.Warcry: "We shall suffocate you!"Did I do good?Probably not.
>>53198945I saw them before, liked them well enough.Are you set on making them traitors? We still need legions to join the Seperatists...
>>53198919On second thought, I like pic related better than this one, but I'm still torn between pic related and >>53198900.
>>53198970If no one wants to be one, why have the Separatists?
>>53198979The Seperatists are just not properly defined. Most people sign up thinking their options are Traitor of Loyalist and don't find out the Seperatists even exist until after they written up their stuff.
>>53198936What do you mean? Personally, I think it adds a nice contrast to the golden shade.
>>53198970I saw that you needed traitors so why not.Chaos undivided seems good for them.
>>53199023Right now we need Seperatists more than anything.We really should figure out who the Warmasters are and why the Seperatists split off from the Imperium.
Is the idea of a 'midget', that is to say human-sized, Primarch a bit weird to people or does it sound alright? >>53199003I'm up for becoming a Seperatists but yeah, I need to know why.I like the idea of Malcador deciding to cash out and try without the Emperor though.
>>53198978Purely as a person, I like this one the most.
>>53199068Not a fan of making a 'midget' primarch, no.I don't think Malcador should be the instigator of the Seperatist movement, seems completely out of character for him. It should be one of the Warmasters.
>>53199068>I need to know whyI mean, I need to know why they Separated to begin with.
Add the Knights of the Thorn to the compiled file.
>>53199055Hrm.Well since the emperor was incredibly wounded during the heresy and horus is dead it would make sense for them to go renegade.If the primarch survived he'd belive himself to be the strongest and thus would leave and do whatever he wanted.
Symphonious Disciples anon here I've just been hit with an epiphany. It's part of the Legion's backstory that roughly a third of the Legion was corrupted by Chaos, right? It makes sense that the Loyalist and Traitor Disciples would have different armor. What if >>53198900 was the Legion's Pre-Rending armor, and after their failure the Loyalists adopted >>53198978, to symbolize that their failure has tainted them, but the Traitors, believing themselves to be purer than their former brothers, kept >>53198900 as their armor?
>>53199149That sounds pretty cool anon.Makes it easier to distinguish between friend and foe in a fight atleast.
Hmm, I just realized I've been misspelling the word Symphonious. My apologies.
>>53199068Hasn't the Malcador angle been thrown out the window in the last thread?I know since this being an AU writeup it might be possible, I personally don't know enough about Maccaronidonor to make a statement on whether or not he would be a legitimate separatist.
>>53199133How about this.>Chaos Warmaster goes full Chaos, gets 6 other legions to go with him.>Chaos Warmaster pulls a version of the Isstvan III, killing the loyalists in the traitor legions>Seperatist Warmaster sends his and 3 other legions to deal with the traitors>Isstvan V-like disaster happens>Loyalist Warmaster is supposed to send back-up, but doesn't for some reason>Seperatist Warmaster and the legions he brought manage to escape, but decide 'fuck the Imperium'>They fuck off, Imperium thinks they've been annihilated>Heresy plays out>Couple more legions fuck off, until there's 6 or 7 loyalists and 7 traitor legions>Chaos Warmaster dies>Emperor gets fucked>Civil war is over>Seperatists reappear>Weakened Imperium is unable to fight the Seperatists, so they're able to establish their own galactic empireJust a super, super, super rough draft, but it could be something?
I need a reason for Mot to be a bitter bastard and join chaos.
>>53199275Mmmh yeah, I can fuck with that. I like it because it sets up a 40k where there really is only war.
>>53199275That's actually pretty good.I can't really help since the most I can think of is a name and short backstory for people.Large scale things are out of my experience.
>>53199319He's just a giant dickhead. The Emperor, or multiple loyalist brothers, tell him to stop being such a giant dickhead. Hashut tells him it's okay to be a giant dickhead. It's more than okay, being a giant dickhead is actually the correct way to be. Everyone should either be a giant dickhead or literally die. Also, we need different names for Tiamat and the Horned God. One of them is already the name of a real world god, and the other is an epithet.
>>53199275I like it, but I feel like the Seperatists should have a more active role in the Heresy.
>>53181029Reposting my Legion. (and copying thornanons layout)>NameThe Lambent Brotherhood>PrimarchLuminon Liberus>Legion/Primarch PersonalityThe Primarch has endured a lot of suffering and as a result his legion seem dour and sad. Want to do as much as they can to save people but angry that they can’t save everyone. Also weighed down by the memories of the people whose brains they eat.>Tactical SpecialtyInfiltration tactics are used a lot in order to decimate enemy leadership, eat their brains and learn of their tactical plans before expanding further>ThematicsTheir armour is dark and practical but they often carry trophies and fetishes tied to their backpacks>ColorsThey wear black armor with white stripes on their upper arms and thighs. They have skulls on their backpacks (where wolves are on some Space Wolf backpacks) and their eyes are pale green.Their insignia is a cracked skull with green eyes.During the Horus heresy they became separatists.They eat the brains of their enemies to gain their knowledge. They have incredibly active Omophagea and need to eat brains or their own brains begin to deteriorate at an alarming rate. They also have a pale green glow to their skin.Pic unrelated, just cool. I can't use the space marine editor sadly.
>>53199275I mostly like it. I just think that the Separatists shouldn't just disappear for what is possibly the majority of the war. Especially if the only 'event' with them in is an Isstvaan-like defeat.Perhaps they could arrive during the Siege of Terra (or other final confrontation)? That way they get their chance to be the heroes at least once, and when they formally announce their self sovereignty it would be something that the Imperium would be unable to deal with due to the fall of the Emperor.
>>53199342Okay, but why is he a giant dickhead? Pert had a reason in that he always got the worst warzones to deal with, and I think Mot should as well. Either from something that happened before the Emperor picked him up or afterwards. Maybe Emps saw the daemonic influence in a lot of Zharr-Naggrundian culture and all but exterminatused it to remove its culture.
>>53199420You could just make Zharr-Naggrund a very bad place to grow up. If it is really influenced by Hashut and is pretty much Chaos Dwarves, I highly doubt anyone raised there would disposed to peaceable and friendly.
>>53181029We should archive the previous thread before it drifts into the void and is lost forever. I would myself, but I'm posting on mobile.
>>53199392You could have the Separatists have a slight side story to counter it? I was thinking similar to >>53199275 but like this:>Chaos Warmaster goes chaos and gets 4 other legions to go with him.>Isstvan III>Separatist warmaster goes with 4 legions to deal with traitors>Isstvan V disaster happens and the separatists send word to the Loyalists but one of the loyalists who hasn't yet turned gets the message, realises that he can't compete with the chaos warmaster and switches sides without relaying the message to the loyalists.>Separatists escape and wonder how they got caught out like that so easily.>They don't trust each other and one of the so called separatists turns out to be loyal to the Chaos Warmaster and betrays them but they repulse the attack. Now we have three factions and chaos are at war with both AND the loyalists aren't quite aware of what is going on.>One of the Chaos factions manages to convince the loyalists that the Separatists have gone over to chaos.>Three way war with a desperate last ditch alliance between the separatists and loyalists on holy Terra.>The damage is done though and with no father to unite the warring factions the Separatists flee into deep space.
>>53199363>>53199392Sure, we could go for an Imperium Secundus light. >Seperatists fuck off for a bit, restock and repair their wargear. >They decide that Chaos is just a terrible force, but that the Imperium has fucked them too. >Go to Terra to fight Chaos.>Chaos Warmaster dies>Big E gets fucked>Seperatist declare their independance from the Imperium>Civil War continuesSomething like that?>>53199495Sure, I'll do it
>>53199370First time my layouts been copied.Cool.That's a nice legion by the by.I enjoy the defect they have.Do they simply die without eating brains or are they turned into servo-skulls or servitors?
Regarding the separatists, how about the Warmaster refusing the growth of mortal influence in the Imperium, like the Council of Terra being full of normal humans and the Emperor retiring from the Crusade? Surely that can only mean the Astartes are going to suffer the same fate as the Thunder Warriors. This can't happen. Legions shall survive, even if Terra must burn.
>>53199468Okay, sure. Now I'm imagining Mot as barely containing his contempt for everyone that even mildly inconveniences him in any way, and sometimes even actively going against the wishes of the warmaster(s). When the heresy comes around he embraces it fully, slaughters the loyalists and transforms Zharr-Naggrund into a daemon world seemingly composed entirely of bones.
>>53199528I imagine it to be an alzheimer's type condition and I would draw a kind of parallel to the black rage perhaps. Rather than death I might make it so that they become feral, zombie like marines that are drop-podded into regions as suicide squads. Also gives a nice opportunity to show how important Apothecaries are to the legion as they have a need for more gene-seed harvesting. I imagine the cult espoused by their chaplains might combine the roles of Apothecary and Chaplain and as well as harvesting the Progenoid glands they might take the brains and eat them so that their brothers memories are preserved.As a side note due to this brain rot they cannot be interred in Dreadnoughts as they need to eat brains to survive or go mad.
Who, if anyone, penned the Lectitio Divinitatus this time around?
>>53199653That's pretty brutal.I love it.
>>53199719Add to that, who broke the Webway? I don't think we have a psyker specialist yet.
>>53199747Alternate storyline: The Webway works fine. Some primarchs find a gate in a certain planet and call Big E to see that shit. He uncovers his secret, and so, the Webway is used by the Imperium, at a little scale, and secretly, tho. When the Emprah dies, no one is able to keep the gate of the Imperial Palace open, and it closes.
>>53199747>>53199850You could potentially have a separatist try to warn Emps, potentially by using a kidnapped Eldar Farseer. If the Separatists broke the webway by accident it would give another reason for them to not be welcome in the Imperium.>>53199736Thanks!
>>53199850Interesting, but why would the Emperor keep the intact Webway a secret?
>>53200494He made a deal with the Chaos Gods to build it. The "new" Chaos gods, who deliberately did it to undermine the more powerful old ones as well.
>NameHost of purity>PrimarchAntaloc the pure >Legion/Primarch PersonalityGrew up the planet Sanak. The planet suffered a natural disaster in the past leaving radiation hotpots.There were mutated humans who lived in these hotspots and the non mutant humans who live in domed cities. The people of the planet value purity of genetics because of this but led to them distaining those they see as less pure. Due to not wanting to waste pure genetics a culture of dualing to solve disputes was created. When Antaloc came of age he leads a crusade to remove the mutated humans and cleanse the planet.After Antaloc was found by the Emperor and given command of his legion only recruits from Sanak were excepted into the legion.Antaloc disliked his sons who did not originate from his homeworld, promoting Sanak born legionnaires to key positionsThe legion geneseed fault was low acceptance rate of the implants used in the creation of space marine decreasing the legions numbers further.>Tactical SpecialityTerminator Assault, Close combat, Melee>ThematicsLate middle age knights>ColoursSky Blue & white Became separatists during the heresy
>>53200507I'll buy it, but why did the Minor Chaos Gods and their Legions fight against the Emperor later, and why did the Emperor accept their deal when it's repeatedly stated that he hates Chaos?
>>53200551Because the Old Gods break the Webway and it gives the New Gods a chance to assert themselves in real space and same reason he makes a deal with Chaos in the OU. He thinks he can out play them, now with more credibility because he's turning them against each other. I'm literally throwing shit at the wall right now omae.
>>53200594OK, but why did Emps keep the Webway a secret and just not tell anyone who built it? And if the Emperor didn't leave to build the Webway, would the Heresy have still happened?
Thornanon here.This is pretty great but what are we going to do with all this?I'm cool with anything but I'd like to know.
>>53200624I'm drunk, pardon my incomprehensible rambling.> * Why didn't Emps tell everyone about the Webway for propaganda purposes and just not tell anyone who built it?
>>53200638I'm pretty sure that once we've worked out the Founding Legions, we're going to flesh out an alternate Heresy scenario for the hell of it.>>53199719Maybe the Primarch of the Loyalist Noise Marines? He seems batshit insane and artsy enough to do it.
Slowly chipping away at making a Pillars of Balance/Hayden Reliquo doc that I can stand looking at.Pillars could easily go separatist or loyalist, depending on the reasons behind the schism. I think we need an ideological reason more than a grudge over a miscommunication. Also: Do we really not have any psyker specialist primarchs? >>53200535Quick warning, I've got similar colours. Don't forget to check the other hereldry when you make yours to avoid confusion.
>>53201399We really need Seperatists, we've got barely any. I'm really surprised and impressed with /tg/ that no-one went for a Psyker Primarch.
>>53201399I'm sure Leviathan Horde and Golden Mountains both have an increased number of psykers, but yeah, no psyker specialists.
>>53201673*Leviathan HostI could make Marduk at least latently a psyker if you guys want.
>>53201399Will do in regard to the colour scheme
>>53194391>>53194460Roger, will work on a new scheme now that I'm off work.>>53193587On a side note, since I'm the anon who wrote both those Legions, I think I like the Steel Souls a little better, so if anyone wants to use/adapt/adopt the Husk Men in any way shape or form, they are more than welcome to. If no one speaks up for them, feel free to discard them.
>>53201673>>53201500I was planning on having Reliquo be a bit psyker, but if this is the case I may make him full on Telekine or Diviner to make sure that it's not just Chaos that gets one.
>>53201960The Husk Men are cool, but a legion of marines without Black Carapaces would be quite shit and scrapped by the Emperor.
>>53201995Sure, no prob. Here's another version of the Steel Souls. What do you think? Hopefully it's distinct enough from the rest of the Legions, with only a little bit of metallic bronze trim this time.
>>53201399Well, I'm kind of a latecomer to the thread, but I wrote the Steel Souls Primarch as a psyker, although more of an enchanter/binder rather than blaster. If that helps any.
>>53202203Cool. Symphonious Disciples anon here, I've come up with the standard Loyalist Disciples Terminator. Thoughts?
>>53202471That's one bright color scheme. But yellow works ok for the Fists, so go for it, bro!I've never been a fan of using 100% black shades on the digital painters though, since you lose the linework and it makes the Marine look like he's got voids where it's painted black instead of armor, which reads kinda strange, visually. Maybe try dark grey instead of Vantablack? Black eye lenses is a little odd too. Kinda makes him look like he's either blind or wearing sunglasses.
>>53200507>emperor making deals with chaosOh look, it's this meme again.
>>53202471Shit man, the more I see this scheme, the more I notice how much it looks like the Fists...>>53202203Oh, that's real neato.
>>53195378Just a thought but perhaps we could use something similar to the Gods of Order from WHFB?
>>53202681We really shouldn't try to muddle the pantheon any further. The four major gods and a couple of minor ones. Let's not start adding even more.
>>53202203I think I have fallen in love. Reminds me of Psykers, those colors would be easily the ones of the mayor warpstorms. You have my aproval.
>>53202525I don't the black looks bad at all, and it ties in with the Legion's concept of being tainted by their failure at the Rending of Innocence. I don't think grey would have the same visual effect. Helmet eye lenses are basically sunglasses, so I don't see any problem there.>>53202549> Shit man, the more I see this scheme, the more I notice how much it looks like the Fists...You think so? I've tried to differentiate their color scheme from the Imperial Fists, and I like the gold on black aesthetic too much to scrap it entirely...Pic related is the Legion's High Chaplain, and the eventual successor of the Primarch. The image is of him Post-Heresy. Thoughts?
>>53202753Cool, because that's what they are, lol. Or at least what they enhance themselves into. Psybernetics for the masses!
>>53202789This scheme is actually really cool! Black, yellow trim, white helmet...
>>53202789>the wasp marines cometh!>our wings shall blot out the sky!>our stings are the stings that pierce the heavens!Fuck yeah.
>>53202811>>53202818Thanks!>>53202815Oh fuck, that is too fucking great not to include in the lore... Speaking of which, I haven't ironed out Yochin Theritax's origins or how he came to weaponize music and fanatically worship his father...
>>53202789Could try a more pastel yellow. Few men are brave enough to embrace the pastel side of the Force.
>>53198166>>53202203Also, assuming no one's spoken for the slot yet, I'd like to place the Steel Souls in Legion V.
>>53203127Consider it done
Guys, what if the Silver Blades apothecarii couldn't fix their shit in time? The Emprah would attack them, sending the Custodes and the Sisters Of Silence. They would defend themselves and eventually win, turning secessionists because fuck chaos and fuck the Imperium. That would be an option. I would like my Legion being Loyal, but I think that's a great possibility
>>53200535With these and the Iron Guard, the Separatists are heading full fascist. I like that. As far as a separatist warmaster is concerned, Zelbezis can't do the part. He's an enforcer, not a lawwriter. He'd be a great Lavrenty Beria, but he needs his Stalin.
>>53198166Side note: I like how we have "Golden", "Silver", "Iron", "Bronze" and soon to be "Steel" in the Legion names. I guess the next will be like, the Cadmium Knights, the Lead Sentinels, the Uranium Chargers, and the Tungsten Guard, lol?
>>53204001Lol. I don't see those names, sincerely
>>53204017>GOLDEN Mountains>SILVER Blades>IRON Guard>BRONZE Lords>STEEL SoulsI'm making a joke about how you guys have like 1/4th of your Legion names formatted as "(METAL) _____".
>>53204056>Starts thinking of a way to rename his legion to something metallicIn all seriousness, that's a pretty funny observation.
>>53204076...Guess they´re the Titanium Marchers now...
>>53204076Hmm. Maybe I need to reconsider the Steel Souls' name while they're still relatively unformed clay.
Cam I get a list of all the legions we've got?
>>53204001>>53204056That's part of the reason I'm considering renaming them the Forge Lords.
>>53204110Nonsense, the metallic names add flavor to the setting.
>Horus Heresy becomes the Metallic Madness>Loyalists stay true to metal>Chaos wants to try this new death metal stuff and new naming schemes>Separatists come out as rockers
>>53204330>Loyalists are Manowar>Chaos is Cannibal Corpse>Separatists are Slayer>Thus the Imperium of Mankind fell into the great Moshpit civil war, and concerts would never be the same Kill Kerry King
>>53204554> Slaaneshi prefer classical music, and are universally despised
>>53193442Steel Souls Homeworld: Nonimat IV, Rogue PlanetLong ago, the Age of Strife shattered Humanity's greatest empire, whole sectors disappearing into spontaneous Warp Storms and other horrible perils. Once a thriving human world, Nonimat's parent star was torn away wholesale from its planets, swallowed whole in one of the largest Warp Storms ever recorded outside the Eye of Terror. Though the storm passed in mere hours its effects were catastrophic. As Nonimat IV's temperature rapidly dropped, its inhabitants raced to prepare for the endless darkness ahead. Before the system's planets could drift too far from each other, they siphoned off huge quantities of hydrogen and helium from the gas giant Nonimat VIII, creating a dense upper layer of infrared-opaque gas floating above the heavier oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere below. Without Nonimat Prime's ultraviolet radiation to scour the lighter gases away or thermal radiation to churn the atmosphere, this layer would remain stable without significant mixing. Critically, the planet's lingering heat would be largely retained within an insulating blanket. Titanic Dark Age explosive devices were detonated along major fault lines, causing mayhem on the surface but opening geothermal fields to warm the crust. Even the moon's orbital velocity was sped up with massive fusion thrusters, using the last bits of Nonimat VIII's atmosphere as fuel. By doing this, Nonimat IV's crust would experience increased tidal flux for hundreds of thousands of years, keeping the newly opened crustal fractures open and heating the soil still further. >cont.
>>53205020The hive cities dug gigantic tunnels deeper into the planet than ever before, using geothermal energy for heat, power and water. Hydroponic gardens of incredible size would feed the cities. Frost blanketed Nonimat IV within a few decades, eventually covering 96% of the globe in thick glaciers save a few areas of active volcanism and the very highest mountains. Thanks to the populace's preparation, the average temperature never dropped all the way below the freezing point of carbon dioxide. For a time, the citizens called out to the stars for aid, but never received any answer. Eventually they gave up, fearing themselves alone in the universe and resigned to a stagnant existence until Nonimat IV exhausted its internal heat at last. And yet they were not truly alone. The Warp Storm which claimed their sun left behind a multiple of Warp-lanes crisscrossing the sector, one of which closely paralleled the planet's trajectory. It was from this Immaterial tunnel that Primarch Emil Kannav's pod emerged, as would the Emperor's fleets some decades later. Thoughts?
>>53203418Their disfunctional geneseed renders them pretty much just regular humans if not deformed balls of flesh. If the Emperor actually cracks down on them, he'd at least bring another legion, and an understaffed legion of disfigured space marines with barely half their potential combat capabilities realised would be no match.I would think anyway that a man so loyal like Linares would rather decide to cull his own legion than to rise against the Emperor in a sudden moment of selfishness.I suggest maybe taking on the role of Imperial executioner. Linares is pretty much our AU's Leman Russ. At some point, Linares' conscience can't bear the weight of his actions, anymore, and he decides that he cannot continue to follow a man's orders whose darkest side he'd seen. The Silver Blades secede, join the separatists, and launch a campaign against the Imperial loyalists while also combatting the rising forces of chaos.
Alright, first draft for the first half of Raj Vokar and the Titan Marchers´ backstory.https://docs.google.com/document/d/13wGtK8_sD5ES-tZTUch1oOtqZteEUb3SWJ-g3AbtaYc/edit?usp=sharing
>>53205020>>53205035Sounds kickass.>>53205264Hell yes.
Selfishness, jealousy and ambition. These are the virtues of old Zharr-Naggrund that nearly all of its inhabitants followed. There was no honor in the courts of the smith-kings, only self serving acts and ceaseless plotting beneath the kings who constantly committed their resources to ever more construction and industry in the name of progress. Such was the world that young Mot Hadad was raised in, and though he was taken in as the son of the Grand Smith in his tower of brass, even he was not sheltered from the constant politicking of the noble class. He grew to hate it. He vowed that when he inherited the throne he would put an end to the dark intrigues that plagued Zharr-Naggrund.[Cont]
>>53205943>>53206098Sarco Funerus is not one for subtly.
>>53206127I mean there's subtle, and then there's "I'm literally plagiarizing my way into Chaos Dwarves: The Legioning".
>>53205943Not that anon, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.>>53206188In all honesty, I would happily waste 20 USD and three hours of my life to watch a low budget movie called Chaos Dwarves:The Legioning.
Requesting someone please say yes/no to the Lambent Brotherhood so that I can either keep dreaming about them or abandon them and cry. I can see them as being separatists alongside the other two legions not so much through choice but because their primarch saw what chaos was capable of on his home world and because the Imperium disliked their brain eating tendencies and they became disillusioned with the Emperor. They could operate on the borders of Separtist space as due to their deterioration they constantly need fresh foes to eat the brains of.
>>53206300I don't particularly care for "zombie mehreens lol", but I suspect most other people will prefer the lulz. That's all I'm going to say on the topic.
>>53206300I like it, you're good to go.
>>53206234I guess it's ok then.
>>53206300Like the Husk Men, having a such massive flaw in your geneseed is likely to cause the Emperor to scrap you, like he almost did with the Thousand Sons. Geneseed mutations are a cool way to spice up your legion, but brain munching seems a bit much… other than that, I like them!Also, we might need another thread!
>>53206300Brain eating does seem like a flaw found in a single Chapter in a later Founding, rather than present in the Legion.Might just be me though.
>"Nihilism? A foolish word, used by delusional men who believe the right of conquest belongs to the honorable." -The Primarch Einchurt>describe your talents as a primarchEinchurt is skilled at the arithmetic of war, being able to detach himself from the lives being lost in conflict and simply view them as statistics to be noted, options to be weighed, and likelihoods of success to be calculated. He was often noted for his calm, if not callous, persona during campaigns.>what is the name of your legion?Death’s Heads>what are its main tactics/characteristics?The Death’s Heads are skilled at terror tactics, conducting population culls and other planned atrocities, and heavy infantry operations with the usage of alchemical weapons. Weapons technology such as Volkite, Phosphex, Radium, Molecular Acid, and more are their preferred tools, utilised as often against civilian targets as they are against military ones. Death’s Head units often employ large amounts of Terminator suits, and often bolster their ranks with Cybernetica units. Death’s Head forces will often leave a planet in disastrous condition, and thusly their deployment is often seen at the edges of the Great Crusade.>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?The Primarch Einchurt was largely indifferent to the psyker issue. Psykers within his own Legion were often seen as little more than living weapons, to be used and discarded.>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?Separatists>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?Breakout, burn Fenris. His accusations hold more emotion than logic, but if he wishes a war, a war he shall get.>con't
>>53206957>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?The Death’s Heads geneseed has a high rejection rate, leading the Legion to have always been one of the smallest, if not the smallest, Legion.>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?Weapons which fire Phosphex-filled slugs are the signature armament of the Death’s Heads.>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?If they were to remain loyal (the most likely case in a solely Imperial-Chaos situation), they would likely keep their excessive numbers of Terminator suits, Cybernetica inductees, and prohibited alchemical weapons.>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?The right to enslave the weak.thoughts?
>>53206957Iron Warriors - Siege + WMDs - Personality.Not bad. Not particularly good either.
>>53206957Say what you will about the tenets of the eightfold path, at least It's an ethos.
>>53207009What do you think I could add to make them a bit better? This is sort of the first draft, definitely willing to make changes.
>>53207272Technophilia? I think we've got an artificer Primarch already but a cyber legion could be neat. Maybe use as much stuff that effects flesh before metal, too.
>>53207272Well i ftheir main thing is that they don't care about life and are constently using WMDs, why not through in some technophilia and tech heresy?
>>53207458Yeah, I was going for them being big buddies with the Mechanicum, lots of cybernetics, lots of Legio Cybernetica inductees, and they use some Mechanicum weaponry (Radium weapons are Skitarii stuff usually).I was kind of going for what can be summed up as "Nihilism and War Crimes: The Legion". They're all about efficiency in war, and that does often mean a lot of technophilia. Like I said, they have a high rejection rate for their geneseed, so anything that can get an Astartes back into the line ASAP is usually welcome.I had a weird idea for them to have some kind of cyber-hive mind, where one of their commanders could basically tap into a squad and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL, kind of like the Skitarii, but I thought it might be too out there.
New thread when? It should probably use this AU's title. What was it, Triumvirate of Man?
>>53207272>>53207539It sounds like the kind of Legion I've started writing several times. The chief flaw with such a Legion is that it gives you a crutch to make everyone emotionless robot NPCs with cool toys. And then you as a writer never feel the need or have the opportunity to expand and evolve your writing. They become as flat and lifeless as actual tabletop plastic men.
>>53207576That's actually a good point. What if the Astartes didn't share their Primarch's disdain for such things as honor and glory, and wanted their way of war to be seen as just as valid as those who stood close beside the Emperor? They try to be cold and calculating to keep daddy happy, but on the inside their roiling balls of insecurity and anger that could explode at any time
>>53207615Umm... I'm not totally sure why "wanting to prove themselves" turns them into "repressed psychopaths", but maybe?It's still not much different from the Iron Warriors, or a particularly defective Skitarii. If you want to prove your ways/opinions are equally good, you have to do something more than just "Lol we irradiate shit to death all the time".There has to be some spin, some personal charisma, some sort of political skill. >now if I wanted to get really sarcastic and loosely topical, I'd point out that "justifying actions involving *using* WMDs" is very similar to "justifying taking action *against* WMDs" which is a thing that might possibly have happened in recent history you could perhaps draw ideas from
>>53207539Maybe when they get out of the imperium they start fucking with shit they shouldn't pissing off the mechanicum, like trying to figure out a way to use corrupted machine spirits or trying to use human souls to power a big fuck off machine
>>53207670I'm just kinda spit-balling. It could be that they don't really have that charisma, they prefer (like their primarch) a more logical approach, reasoning that Xenos have plenty of times done the same sorts of things, and that there a thousands of historical anecdotes of such tactics being used. It's not that they want to be seen as "right, just, and honorable", they just want to be seen as "valid", not something to be discarded on the fringes of the Great Crusade and forgotten. They are effective, efficient, and they get the god-damn job done. Why can't they get just a little bit of recognition?That sort of thing, at least. As I said, spit-balling, throwing out ideas to make them into something that isn't not!IW, y'know?
>>53207757I mean, the Imperium never really shied away from obliterating their enemies by any means necessary to begin with, iirc. Terror? Sure, Konrad. Bio/Chem/Atomic weapons? Sure, Morty! And you too, Mr. Fabricator-General, you go nuts ya lil scamp!Unless you're literally rendering every world you pass by totally uninhabitable for 100,000 years or actually using xeno/AI tech, I don't think anyone would really give a fuck. And if you are, then yeah. You gotta not do that. Not much wiggle room there unfortunately. tl;dr, I think you're making a false dichotomy. This is Warhammer after all. Tolerances for the how and why of killing shit are very broad.
>>53207852Matbe the reason these guys split from the imperium is because they don't want ro be emps personal reset button?Maybe during the heresy the primarchs and most of the terminators side with the imperium while the other part of the legion joins the splinter imperium?
>>53207887I need to get some sleepPrimarch is supposed to be singularro is to
>>53207887But you've described this Legion as voluntarily being the Emperor's reset button. They're trying to show their ways have merit within the greater Imperium's war machine, methods that *they* chose to use. The Emperor didn't order them to fight the way they do. They're not trying to change into something else, unless I'm mistaken.
>>53207887>>53207852So maybe they dislike getting all the shitty "this place needs to be 500 different kinds of dead" jobs, wanting to be more on the forefront with the other Legions instead of getting all the campaigns everyone would rather forget happened? I could see their Primarch getting killed at Istvaan and the rest of them deciding "fuck this, we're not gunna sit around and listen to no Imperium anymore".
>>53207929They're fine fighting the way they do, that doesn't mean they asked to be shoved to the side and given all the dirty jobs. It's just what Emps and the Warmaster(s?) decided they were best suited to do. To them, this is just how war is, to the rest of the Imperium, it's something best saved for the worst of the worst.
>>53207997>>53207954I have learned that when offering my style of criticism in projects like these that it usually causes resentment if the conversation lasts more than a handful of exchanges. I tend to err on the side of caution, conservative writing, and no fun allowed. I've said my bit and am now done. You don't need to spend any more time working around what I've said or justifying yourself. It only ends in hostility given time. Incorporate my advice or don't. Do as you see fit.
>>53208156I will, I think I just need to take a bit and step back from open discussion to think things over. Thank you for the help, though
>>53207954>they dislike getting all the shitty jobsIsn't that just the Iron Warriors again?
>>53208183fuckinglike I said, will be back after some time to mull over things, feel free to shit talk me in the meanwhile
>>53208206drink some water while you mull, you're a little too salty there friendo. feel free to shit talk, my ass lol.