Previous thread archive: >>528653071d4chan Article: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Argo_BrigadeLast thread, some fa/tg/uys wrote up an Imperial Guard regiment one word at a time and it ended up not being total shit: the Argo Brigade, a counterinsurgency regiment that loves to melt and burn the shit out of human insurgents and crucify the survivors upside down and sideways. An anon with actual counterinsurgency experience came in and told us how a real COIN unit gets shit done.1d4chan page is created and last time we had some excellent discussion, writefaggotry, and drawfaggotry. One anon has ordered parts for a tabletop Argo Brigade killteam and we expect updates out of him.Let's continue developing the galaxy's most horrifically effective insurgency suppressors.
>>52921937And immediately I fuck it up.Actual previous thread archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/52865307/
>>52921937>>52921967awwwe yeah nigga it's the argo brigade
>>52921937Here we go lads
>>52921937Hey man! I'm really honored that all my designs got used in the wiki! I've been a tg lurker for actual years but rarely ever contributed! Thanks everybody! Last thread was a lot of fun.
>>52922416And designs or concepts you guys would like to see me mock up? Related to the Argos or maybe not but let's try and stay on topic
Is everyone agreed on this fluff? Sans phosphex, obviously.>>>52916327>>>52916745>>>52917089With Melta, rocket teams, and mortar crews for armour and dogs, flamers, and chemical weapons for infantry?
>>52922449I won't be able to read it till later but when I do I'll let you know
>>52922444Well I wouldn't want to distract from the Argo brigade.....but I do really like what I see. Did you do all 4 pictures?
>>52922449Dis all seems pretty good to me.
>>52921937Lets talk about the uniform for a secondIt's waaaaay too busy, especially considering the unit's demeanor. I would cut out the yellow entirely.The Red in the uniform is supposed to have major symbolic importance and thus should be limited to perhaps rank and unit insignia.In its stead we should utilize a camo pattern. We should in general take more cues from Peacekeepers aesthetically speaking.
>>52922607Naw man, I remember the people pushing for peace keeper influence, but it just doesn't make sense with what we've got here. The way it is now works. It looks damn snappy.
>>52922416You've got the premier art for the Brigade mein neger
>>52922653We already have the Peacekeeper influence numbnuts, look at that blue.Now we're making it not look like shit
>>52922444Nice trips.Also for art you can't go wrong with a pair of Guardsmen putting a degenerate up on a cross.
>>52922653It's irony dude, the Brigade is like an Anti-Peacekeeper force
So here is a question, is there any distinction between the rank and file and more elite troops? I mean some guard organizations have Elites, like the Karskins for Cadians or the Grenadiers for the Death Korps. Does the Argo Brigade have an Elite element, and if they do, what should they be called and what makes them special? If this has already been discussed forgive me, I was only around for part of the last thread and I haven't had time to read all of the backlog.
>>52922723They ARE the elite unit. Tiny, hyper adapted to their niche, efficient, skilled.It's basically an Old School stormtrooper regiment
>>52922723When counter-insurgency anon was here last thread he raised the idea that the engineering battalion could do the crucifying since they'd already have the trucks and equipment to do so.Apart from Engineers/Sappers I'd say we'd want some sort of SWAT-like/Breach and Clear teams for urban warfare and heavy weapons/chem/phosphex operators possible grouped as their own special units.
>>52922696Forgive me, I misspoke, what I should have said was that more peacekeeper influence is unnecessary. Already got the blue helmets, no need to put them in Camo. It would be boring and generic, and would detract.
>>52922493Yea everything in the wiki was mine, even the banner
>>52922745Ok. I suppose that makes sense. Do they have a nickname? I feel like they'd earn a name for themselves pretty damn fast.
These guys seem pretty cool OP! Glad another one of these seems to be doing alright. Last one that really got anywhere was Hua Yuan, and that was like a year ago
>>52922493>>52922786OP here, yeah, I put together the 1d4chan page with all his art. There were some other attempts at Bolter and Chainsword palettes but the thread settled on the peacekeeper aesthetic.
>>52922786Honestly if you are open to requests I would love to have you do some of my own stuff, but I wouldn't want to impose, and I certainly don't want to distract from the reason we are all here. >>52922714I can appreciate the Irony, but putting them in Camo and making them almost complete clones seems a little too on the nose to me. Maybe some black and grey charcoal camo as a compromise? I mean we already decided on Charcoal, and I do like the black suit, but I can understand the desire for Camo as well and I don't wanna be an ass and just ignore people. Black and dark grey speckled pattern for the body suit? Breaks up their outline at night, which is good for nocturnal terror ops?
>>52922851Thanks lad, I was surprised we got something useful out of random words. I actually used a copy of their wiki page as a base since I'm really not good at wiki stuff.
>>52922767That was me. Well before we decide that I think we need to establish organization and size.I saw we have a few Battalions.>Infantry battalion >Infantry battalion>Infantry bat>Infantry bat>Infantry Bat>Armoured Cav bat>Engineer Bat>Intelligence+PsyOps batWith more specific platoons and companies under them
>>52922886>black and grey camo I've tried this in the Dawn of War army painter, it looks pretty fucking spiffy. I suspect the whole Argo scheme would render pretty nicely in-game actually.
>>52922773The mess of colors detracts.
>>52922723The Argonauts!! The crew of the Argos in Greek mythology who quested for the Golden Fleece
>>52921937Hell yes!Killteambuilderanon here. I'll tell the plan here aswell.Get Cadian infantry and replace their heads with some heads from Anvil Industry. Already got the heads ordered and some used cadian troops to test put color schemes. Will be posting in next week or so the results once I get the stuff. Also be in mind im not the greatest painter but will give it my best.
>>52922912>>52922886Black, Grey, and some tacticool sage sounds pretty amazing, especially for intimidation and urban ops, and will make the blue helmets pop. But again, I beg that we use red sparringly
>>52922893You think that might be a bit large? I mean I agree we should discuss the organization, but we also need to discuss the size of the brigade as well. How many of them are left?
>>52922926Also feel free to throw in ideas.
>>52922893That sounds solid to me. Should there be a number of regiments in the Brigade that all follow the same model, or is this just one regiment that's effective enough to avoid getting disbanded after massive casualties in the Guard meat grinder?
>>52922745But the term Brigade implies a relatively large number of troops, with further divisions of troops within the Brigade into different battalions .
>>52923007Yes there are two different forces each containing a large number of units, the anti armor vanguard who specialize in infiltration and recon and then the pacification forces
>>52922951Maybe just the red on the Armor? I mean I don't mind the red gloves and whatnot personally, but I can understand why that may be offputting to some people. What do the other anons think?Also, sorry design anon for this. I love your stuff, It's great and I don't want you to think it isn't, this is just part of the dynamic creation process.
>>52922955I think at this point it's a Brigade by tradition. While not necessarily as large as most regiments, it's still a fair bit larger than any brigade ought to be. In turn Bats act like Battalions and companies Battalions and so on and so on, with Squads acting more like teams within a platoon.But the unit is still small enough to where the nomenclature isn't laughable, but large enough that it's understood that it's traditional.>>52922968The rest of the regiments that get shat out of the Illius X System are often sub par Penal units vomited out to meet crushing tithe demands. Argo puts out some quality conventional regiments, but none really compare to the Brigade.As a rule, Argoan units tend not use the "brigade" nomenclature out of respect and instead opt to using a different word for the same echelon
>>52923007No.Corps>Division>Brigade>battalion>Company>Platoon>team>squadAt least in the US army
>>52923063I would seriously limit it to the rank and unit insignia. Too many colors and he looks like a clown
>>52923073Interesting, though I must ask where the crucifixion ends and the penal service begins in terms of punishment for crimes. Seems like the Brigade and world are pretty cross-happy.
Was there something on the previous thread that Argo was hding some xenotech in caves or is that scrapped?
>>52923106So red unit and rank insignia, black-charcoal-gray fatigues, UN blue helmet and flak armor?
>>52923211 It came out of the last thread, nobody's done any writefaggotry on it yet. Could be a nice regimental secret, especially if it ties into how they get their flesh melting shit.
>>52923230If everyone else is okay with it and it makes the guy who doesn't want red happy I personally don't see a problem with it. I would advocate that we keep the cross though, I like it being there.
>>52922926Don't forget bayonets to stick the degenerates while on their crosses!
>>52923272I'm not really happy with that, the color pallets was one of the only things generally agreed upon in the last thread. Red and light blue go well together but maybe less lines on the armor
>>52923272 Yeah, I think the cross is definitely brigade insignia if not being an element of battalion markings, like battalion number on the left side of the cross and company number on the right side.
>>52923345Maybe use red only as trim on gloves
>>52923230Can we toss in some pale sage into the camo? I think it would look rather nice.>>52923272The cross is inverted with an X on the shorter end, right?
>>52923345You think it does, but it doesn't. I work in the fashion industry with a degree in fine art.Every single one of these threads I try to tell you people
>>52923400Yep, the upside down cross. Maybe one with the sage and one without to see which one everyone prefers? Personally I think it could do without the sage, but maybe it could work.
>>52923414I suppose I haven't been in the thread where you have told us, but I'd be willing to listen if you don't mind explaining it. Why don't they work together?That being said while I am willing to listen if the majority wish to keep it red and blue I think it should stay red and blue even if they aren't necessarily ideal. It looks fine to me, and not all of us have such discerning taste.
>>52923450Whoops, *willing to listen if the majority wish to change it from red and blue
>>52923123I would suggest putting it around the general area of murder and theft. Make it fuzzy around that area-it could be argued either way, depending on circumstance.Treason? Definitely getting crucified.
>>52923414Tactics advised by a real counter-insurgency anon, uniforms advised by a real fashion anon. We Waffen SS tier professional now bois
>>52923331Obviously! I'll be adding as much gear and accessories as possible to them. Tacticool and shit.
>>52923492>>52923123I would imagine anything less than murder or serious religions infractions would result in jail time and a period in a penal legion. Man slaughter would also probably be Penal legion I think.
>>52923492Making it fuzzy makes for some interesting trials where the accused mounts a hilarious defense that, because he believes the neighbor he was feuding with and stabbed 27 times was a genestealer, he should only be charged with destruction of Imperial property (penal service) instead of murder (crucifixion).
>>52923559I thouroughy support this notion. In fact if I have time tonight when I finish my term paper I'm going to do some writefaggotry for it. Been a while since I did any writing on this board, need to get to it again...
>>52923573Godspeed anon, may the Emperor guide your grade.
>>52923573What paper are you doing?Also what sort of general plot would people want in an Argo fic?
>>52923613Thank you Anon, The Emperor protect you.>>52923664Book review for a military history course. Which I really should be focusing on, but I'm not too worried about it honestly. And if people can spin me a good idea that catches the imagination I'll do a fic for it. Personally I think following an individual trooper from the beginning ant exploring the process as the brigade culture developed would be fascinating if it could be done correctly, but that's just me. Others might have different ideas.
>>52923450So on such an overall dark uniform you need to choose your colours wisely, by going with baby blue we've slashed our options in terms of other bright colors. By having multiple bright colours (red and blue) too many elements pop.It's aesthetically displeasing, and in a Psychological warfare unit, you need to be /fa/.If I had my way I'd drop the red entirely and just use white. But if using it sparingly like number designations on a helmet, ranks, unit crest, in very small amounts, I don't think it will clash too hard. Hopefully
>>52923713Isn't white pretty bright though? Would it be better if they were deeper darker shades of blue and red? More burnt?
>>52923559>>52923492Not grimdark enough. Commit a crime? It's random chance lottery. Labour, Penal Regiment, or summary execution. Murderers can spend the rest of thier lives toiling away in a camp while bread thieves get shoved into the incinerator.
>>52923739Nah. Too autumnal. The uniform is fairly wintery pallete wise and I'd like to keep it that way. White can be cool or hot depending on context, but red is too warm a color to mesh well. That's why black, grey, and sage will work together, but not sky blue and fire engine red.
>>52923709What history?I'm thinking of writing a fic from the perspective of a unit ambushed by the Argos but I probably won't because I'm a lazy embarrassed shitlord.>>52923746From the exterior it appears that way, but the odds are actually very closely controlled and are decided by the commissar. This means that while it might be a 'bread thief' being executed it's someone who took bread from an orphanage, while the murderer killed somebody assaulting a woman/bitchboi.
Wanna stat these guys up for Only War?
>>52923739Well currently we have white as a small decals so I think it is good enough for that part. >>52923713You could make something that you have in your mind. If you have some sort of photoediting program just use the pic in OP post to show us what you have in mind.
>>52923801What homeworld were they again?
>>52923709Having the trooper do that over the course of a single planetary CION op might be good. You'd have two solid arcs-the trooper's exploration and rise in the brigade's culture, and the cat and mouse games out in 'the jungle'.Not a military guy myself, but I've found Hammer's Slammers to be a good read in this sort of vein. Helps that the author served in Vietnam.
>>52923773Unless I misunderstand the idea behind these guys the story is that at one point they suffered massive casualties and were forced to continue the fight through insurgency and slowly became incredibly brutal right? I'd enjoy writing about that I think, though I don't know how well I would do. If you have an idea you should do it. We're all anonymous here, there are no repercussions for trying and who knows, the anons may like it. We could do with more writefags around here.As for the history course (is that what your asking about?) we just finished the WWII unit and I'm writing a review on a book about the eastern front.
>>52923773It's not so much the context of the crime as much as it is the character of criminal. It's not a case by case basis in the slightest, but more of a general profile for an ideal penal soldier. If a perp fits say 65% they get snatched up for conscription And this is for the rest of the Illius system. Argo is pretty well figured out, crime and population wise
>>52923910I'll try I guess. Need to make sure I have the fluff sorted, but I was thinking a tau unit used to fighting normal-ish guard deploying into a warzone fronted by the Argos.>>52923921What I was trying to say is that its presented to outsiders as if it is really a coin toss as to whether you die or not.
>>52923910History is here >>52922449>>52923946And I'm agreeing with you
>>52923946Now that would be interesting. I would really like to read that. Please give it a go.
>>52923972>>52923977Cool beans guysI'll try to get something mocked up but don't expect miracles, or even good writing.
>>52924060Just to get me started, can someone give me T'au names and such?
>>52923414Google says you're a shit tier fashion designer
>>52924077This may help http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tau_Lexicon
>>52924204But let me be exceedingly clear (I'm the guy that wrote that). I refuse to let Argo be single biome. It's desert as Egypt is, and has swamps and grasslands, as well as polar regions and vast mountain ranges. The world is fairly Mediterranean. Welk before things went to shit, now it's a polluted mess.But the climate and biomes are secondary to the fact that it was an Ultra Machiavellian society and metropolitan to the extreme.
>>52924204Is it actually a death world or an imperial world due to being mislabeled?
>>52924224Lol okay kid.>
>>52924294>>52924299 here. What actually is the world's true classification?
>>52924299It's not actually a death world, just the Admin labeled it as such after a slew of deaths that one would expect on a death world.Again, it's more Mediterranean desert than ALLAHU AKBAR desert. It would be a pretty nice place if the Brigade didn't rape it
>>52924347So then out of this list, it is an Imperal world?https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Only_War#Homeworld
>>52924322Essentially a Fortress World, a giant Adeptus Arbites boot on the neck of the Illius X System and that region of the sub sector
>>52924380Huh. Post-cataclysmic or Penitent may apply as well, although not necessarily in whole to Argo.The Traitors died.
I think a lot pf people would do well to go read the first half of the last thread to get alot of the lore and fluff, because questions that keep getting brought up were already discussed and sometimes at length, i'll attempt to do some write-faggotry and make an information sheet.As the person who designed the uniform in OPs post I agree the gloves could use some work but to say blue and red don't go together is absurd, just google blue and red designs. Hell we are on/tg/ look how bitchin the Izzet Guild is. I'll post pictures if I need too.
>>52924456IT IS AN EYESORE, CHRIST.THEY LOOK LIKE FUKKEN CANDY MEN. It's a garrish and tacky combination! And the Brigade is neither garrish nor tacky!
>>52924456And izet utilizes a much deeper shade of blue, but their temperment and personalities are very different than Warcrimes;The Regiment
>>52924487Then where were you when everyone who worked on the first thread was actually building the lore that no one in this thread seems to be aware of?
>>52924238That does help!I want to make a 4chan risk map that features these guys but idk how to go about the rules.
Check out this Arogs Brigadier guys
>>52925016Cool!What conversion parts did you use!
>>52922444If you are still willing I actually do have a request I would like to see done if that's alright.
>>52923211My first thought was that the xenotech cache WMD things were the Argo Brigade's first defining enemy. Planet Argo is chortling along, some chucklefuck finds these caverns full of xenotech and stages a rebellion against the God-Emperor, a brigade of local PDF rallies and uses gratuitous amounts of gas, anti-tank weapons, and crucifixion to destroy the heretical xenos war machines and suppress the rebellion, and then the Imperial Guard swoops in and snaps them up because they're clearly wasted as PDF.
>>52925050Thats just a Death Korps of Krieg grenadier model from forge world. Specifically part of the grenadier team with heavy flamer, with he tubing removed from the back of the flamer and the skull mask filed down smooth. At least some of it is clearly Photoshop. Still really really cool. Good job Anon.
>>52925016Damn thats impressive! My versions probably wont be as awesome as this but I'll give them a go once I get the bits.
>>52925050>>52925016For what I see, Microsoft Paint for the cross
>>52925096>>52925144C'mon guys I obviously knew that......*sweats nervously*
>>52925016Even tho its photoshopped it clearly shows that the colors look great.
>>52922767>When counter-insurgency anon was hereThere are two of us. If you are referring to the anon who was dubbed "COINanon", I am here now. For the record I was around from the beginning, and made something like 25 post in the last thread so it might be easy to identify me by the manner in which I type. I floated the idea of civilian freight or military logistics trucks with removable cages on them, where as >>52922893 (who self identified later in the thread) was for earth movers full of writhing bodies.Also I am thinking of the psychology of the regiment and its recruitment process. I wonder if personality disorders are valued in the recruitment process so that the soldier will commit atrocities unerringly, or if the ability results from the imperium's(and especially Argos's)pre-modern social order / culture which places little value on the lives of peasants / non-conformists. However what if part of the reason for spreading mass panic to whip up the populous is recruitment? Sure one would want to be on their best behavior to dodge crucifixion, but what if there is more to it. What if the of internment of the weak isn't just about clearing the field, indoctrination, labour, and simple leverage, but that the leverage is designed to make people fight harder and the best members of citizen militias are offered full recruitment for the guaranteed life and prosperity of their families.I leave you with a quote from a non-fiction:>...Dragoons were looting it but spending more time helping a woman out with her belongings than sacking the house. She was a "good looking, lady-like person" bustling about saving her valuables. "What would you want next, lady?" a big dragoon asked her, and she told him. Then she turned on Morrison: "Oh, how could you be so cruel?" she cried. She was the quintessential damsel in distress, and Morrison felt sorry for her until the house began to burn and a secret pile of ammunition exploded and nearly killed some of his men...
>>52921937I just checked the wiki; wasn't the heroic deed revised (or at least slated for revision) to a lone guardsman's heroic self sacrifice? Is what is on the wiki just place holder until the details are worked out / some proper writefaggotry is done?
>>52926338That is all we have for now but you are right. There was discussion of making it more heroic.
>>52926338Placeholder. The heroic sacrifice story is mine, I'll be putting it through a round of edits soonish.
>>52926250>personality disorders are valued in the recruitment process so that the soldier will commit atrocities unerringlyThis may be total pop psychology, but I always found the concept of only recruiting sociopaths interesting. Get right to the individuals who have no qualms about killing, need less rote drilling to be conditioned to harm another human, etc. Not sure if it works that way in the real world but 40k has run with more flawed psychological concepts before.
How about the uniform color for officer? Dark grey with some red details?
>>52924539Boo joo, lore changes welcome to the world
>>52925016That shade of red is way better than the candy apple in the OP
>>52928531Well the wiki is up and its one of the few things that seems to have actually been agreed upon by the people here so...you can just learn to deal with it.
>>52929259What the fuck are you even talking about, kid?Also>Wikis never change
>>52924487>>52924539>>52928531>>52929259>>52929602Calm down lads, I just dumped the stuff from the first thread in the wiki page, it's not at all final. Discuss the color scheme in a civil fashion and I'm sure we'll sort it out with a good looking uniform in the end.I for one would like to see an mspaint example of how sage would fit into the uniform, should it be highlights, gear, flak armor?
>>52930048>>52929602>>52929259>>52928138/fa/ fag here.Sage may look good, it may not we'd have to see. I'm also coming around to the red, especially if it's that Deep Crimson here >>52925016Here's my Ideal uniform and a few variations, tell me what you guys think>Base fatigues are a gradient that goes from Coyote Tan to Dark Sage, from the legs to the top, the overlaying camo pattern is urban camo the camo splotches darkening with the gradient of the uniform, to concrete grey to asphalt black. Boots are coyote tan with grey soles and black laces>The flack jacket is a far cry from the "realistic" fatigues and boots, baby blue base armour and blood red tiger stripe. Rank, unit insignia, and personal identifing number is in white on the right shoulder pauldron, right side of the chest plate, and left pauldron respectively>Helmet is entirely baby UN blue, with a red Identifier number (XIII, LXI, CXIII, etc) on the right side of the helmet in the same blood red and an Imperial Aquila on the forehead in gunmetal grey or white.Thoughts?
>>52930567This essentially removes all red from the "fatigue" part of the uniform and puts it all on the blue parts of the uniform, creating greater contrast and hopefully creating a more striking figure while breaking up the form better
>>52930567>>52930603Oh, and the Lasgun, Kantrell pattern with bayonette obviously since it's the M16 of the Imperium, but doe we have it be straight blue? Blue with the tiger stripe? Flat grey? Camo matching the fatigue?
>>52930644>>52930603>>52930567Tbh I like the idea. If someone is able to make it into a picture form that would be even better. I'll give it a go once I get my kid to sleep.Oh yeah KTanon here aswell with a little update. All the necesary parts ordered and waiting for them to arrive. Here are the helmets Im going to use (just so people can imagine what they will have an image what they will look like when assembled).- for officers and other higher ranking troopshttp://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/Infantry-Heads-Helmets/beret-gasmask-veteran-heads- for basic gruntshttp://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/Infantry-Heads-Helmets/PASGT-gasmask-headsWhy I chose these two is because they got that UN feel to them. Also gasmasks.
>>52921937Yet another proof that /tg/ gets shit done
>>52930567Oh, and the variants.>To prevent the enemy targeting key personnel, the only main difference in uniform for officers is the color of the rank, unit insignia, and identifier number. Black is used for NCOs, silver for low ranking officers, bronze for mid tier officers, and gold for high ranking officials.>The Commissars wear uniforms similar to the rest of the unit, with their dress pants and jacket exterior the same as the unit, however the interior of the coat is the same red tiger-stripe-on-blue as their flak, with their caps the same blue as their helmets or wear a blue barret Or>All red uniform with blue capOr>camo pants and undercoat, with a blue red tiger stripe coat, with a blue cap with a red faceI prefer the first iteration, but I'd be happy to hear any ideas>>52931094Glad you like it. Thoughts on the rifle or the Commissar?
>>52930567>>52930603>>52931151That actually sounds really goddamn cool and makes good use of the crimson. I'll see if I can mock it up in a few hours.
>>52931233What are your thoughts to this? >>52930644
>>52931264I'll defer to the thread but I'm always a fan of flat gray/unpainted weapons, implying they're just no-frills killing tools.
>>52931151For the gun lets keep it simple. They were PDF after all so they probably didnt have any fancy colors to their weapons to begin with. Clothes on the other hand sound awesome, loving the insignia color variations. We could also make so that different type of troops have different colored right or left shoulder pad eg. Heavy weapons team have a red shoulder pad, normal troops have both pads blue.Also for commisar I also like that first variation. Good ideas all around!
Could we include a Sergeant in the Brigade's history named after the Roman who stabbed Christ on the cross? Like a similar story of stabbing a Tau Eathereal or some shit just to shut him up cos y'know grimdark
>>52932301For a literal interpretation of the story he could have crucified an Imperial Saint by mistake and was cursed to walk the earth forever (Perpetual?)
>>52930567>>52930603So this with gunmetal wepons the same colour as the AquilaAnd>>52931151>>To prevent the enemy targeting key personnel, the only main difference in uniform for officers is the color of the rank, unit insignia, and identifier number. Black is used for NCOs, silver for low ranking officers, bronze for mid tier officers, and gold for high ranking officials.>>The Commissars wear uniforms similar to the rest of the unit, with their dress pants and jacket exterior the same as the unit, however the interior of the coat is the same red tiger-stripe-on-blue as their flak, with their caps the same blue as their helmets or wear a blue barretPlus gold tassled spaulders on the shoulders for the Commissars.And we should use this cross for the unit insignia, sans victims.Everyone cool with that?
>>52933155Lets give it a go. I'll try to create something in photoshop. Dont except much.
>>52932571Yeah or Longinus or something like that
>>52933155Alright here's my take on what yous uggested. Didnt do camo pattern on fatigues yet tho... Anyway did I understood what you were going for?
>>52933771Looks to messy to me. And the mask should be black.
>>52933771It looks kind of awkward. Before there was a sort of symmetry on the trooper, with his gloves anchoring the rest of the red on his person. Though this disruption may be caused by the lighter colour throw in on the tips of his limbs which makes his gloves and shins attention grabbing which feels visually displeasing. Similarly the tiger striping feels busy and misplaced considering the rest of his armour is a solid colour with unit markings. Further the tiger striping because of its isolation feels evocative of chest hair, while also smothering the cross which is as much a piece of their identity and their UN helmets.I find the red tiger striping to be not only displeasing visually but impractical in terms of utility of the uniform. It looks like blood splotches and maybe that is the point but it reminds me of the trouble the Red Coats had with the fact certain shades of red made it hard to triage soldiers.Last bit of food for thought: quick identification is great for combat situations but in asymmetrical warfare something as simple as rank can fall under operational security. An example is how in Iraq / Afghanistan practices such as no saluting and high ranking officials wearing standard uniforms were adopted, and by the insurgents themselves did everything in their power to keep their commanders from being identified. By doing this you not only protect valuable assets but also deny the enemy any morale victories.
>>52933771Unf, we are most definitely getting there. But a few things first>Drop the red from the helmet, make that either white, blue, or grey>Aquila grey>All the rank is white, or all black, or all metallic, lets keep the mixing and matching down to a minimum. Also have the cross match the rank and number colour, whatever it is>Seperate the cheverons and number, either have one or the other on the shoulder pad. De-clutters the design so we can slap tiger stripes on there>More pronounced camo pattern, if that's too hard it's whatever>Make the shin guards blue-red tiger stiped tooOther than that I think it's looking pretty sexy
>>52933771>>52934071Also to be clear, I do like the crimson/maroon on their person and maybe just slightly more than their blue helmets.The reason being I am a fan of the sort of visual story telling present in most units' aesthetic, and while the blue helmets is evocative of the peacekeeper, the dark uniforms containing the colours of dried blood tell story of a fitting 40k corruption of the peacekeeper.Just remember as the other COIN anon said>Simplicity is the key.We can have the uniforms detailed without being being messy.
>>52934262>>52934071Would these >>52934224 corrections make you feel any better than the design?
>>52933771I really dislike the red mess on the armor...looks like every other time ive seen a guard made...look at example art provided in the books, garish colors are more then common in the marines and guardmaybe the striping patters on the shoulder could indicate rank...move the red stripe to the top and the number of white bars=rank 2 could be sergeantevery color argument devolves into people just wanting cammo
>>52934391>>52934371>>52934071>>52934050Without stripes and with camo.
>>52934224With stripes and camo.
>>52934378>>Drop the red from the helmet, make that either white, blue, or grey>>Aquila grey>>All the rank is white, or all black, or all metallic, lets keep the mixing and matching down to a minimum. Also have the cross match the rank and number colour, whatever it is>>Seperate the cheverons and number, either have one or the other on the shoulder pad.I like the crosses and ear pro red, but these changes might be able to work. Yet the real test would be actually making a visual comparison.>>De-clutters the design so we can slap tiger stripes on there>>More pronounced camo pattern, if that's too hard it's whatever>>Make the shin guards blue-red tiger stiped tooI am not really a fan of the red tiger stripes ,or adding tiger stripes in general, but again having an example to see can change minds.Though I wouldn't want to impose on our resident drawfag by having him churn out every change we can think of.
>>52934554No worries, it's quite easy and simple thing to do. Need to go get some sleep soon tho, I'll be around for another 20 minutes or so and continue tomorrow.
Hey, I'm the anon who did the design in OPs post and the miniature that was shopped, sorry I had to leave last night, thread really exploded>>52934501>>52934520>>52933771Some allright color schemes, I do not like the red zebra striping on the armor and I'm not the biggest fan of the camo fatiguesI've been working on some more designs myself I'll throw at you guys later today.__________So besides uniform design I think we should discuss who the commissar and other leading characters are. The 50 name long suggestion last thread thogh lulz worthy is simply poppycock
>>52934721Be my guest and take over so I can go get my precious sleep, you did awesome job before. Have a good night fellow argoans.
>>52934520The cross really should be white so we can see it
Okay, okay, okay. Let's reach a comprise, how's about that?We have different Battalions right? Different companies within those Battalions? There can be unit variants between them, so we can all have our collective cakes and eat them too
>>52935077>compromiseBut anon, then everybody will win!I think that's a good idea as it also gives us more images to put on the wiki.
>>52935168For simplicity's sake lets just keep it to the Battalion level, any more variants and our draw fags will invariably flee
>>52935168>>52935077The Blue Helmets with the scarlet highlights should be the Pacification Force mostly detailed in thread one who focus on mass scale psychological warfare and counter insurgency using blitz warfare and mass showings of corporal punishment and use chem sprayers and flamers for weapons.The camo can go on the scouting and infiltration units that were sort of discussedThen there are the anti armor units that were barely discussed other then they love melta and slagBut Peacekeeper blue should be the units main color
>>52935210>>52935168>>52935077Well then it sounds like we need to establish organization and unit history. But compromise is a great idea, even though I like most of /fa/ggot's ideas. Even though I think the gas mask should be black/camo like the rest of the uniform
>>52935234Blue and gray yeah, no camo, no red. Can we also for the love of god use this cross as our insignia, with an upside-down skull in the middle of the X shaped one instead of the stealer?>>52933155
>>52934501>>52934520I didn't think I would like camo on the troopers as I was fine with the mock-up mini paint and I tend not to like woodland / puzzle patterns. However this BDU really does work. Maybe despite the pattern its just that it darkens the uniform, and that it adds a sort of depth to it in that the trooper looks less like a pilot or mechanic. That said I kind of miss having red on the helmet, and while I miss the red on the shoulder less maybe the stripes are a way of determining role (not rank but things like infantry, heavy weapons team, etc).I still can can't say I am a fan of the red tiger striping, but it looks better in the v3 than its first image as its not as isolated and the BDU is nicer.
>>52933155>>52935290Speaking of the emblem, I it reminds me of the Chi Rho (pic related) or an Old Norse Haglaz which is fine, but it might be lore unfriendly. Reason being that the crosses were planted upside down to increase efficiency, and that genestealer is right side up. Then again it might just be a creative torture / execution which is lore friendly. That said I did kind of like >>52897215 in spite of it being "hacked together free source clip art".
OP blue helm drawfriend back for a brief pop in. My redesigns are taking awhile but in the mean time what do you think of this?I will dub myself Argos.DrawFriend#1
>>52936165Oh YES jesus
>>52936271>>52936784Cool thanks.Okay guys, I need to go do things, this is a redesign of the armor and I even added some sage. What do you guys think? Later I will be able to go through and read everyones design ideas and will upload my design for a commissar
>>52921937People from Argos are called Argives.
>>52936818I changed the helmet to make it less pilot like and more like Krieg, made the shoulder armor a little beefier and more round, cross is now the unit cross. But Ill see you fuckers later.
>>52936818Now this is fucking awesome, These are the soldiers I imagine executing large portions of rebellious citizens!So for awhile we were talking about Roman themes. We should bring back decimation-where 10% of the population gets executed should they try to get to Upity >>52936165This is pretty cool too! I can see that on the side of a tankGood job anon
>>52936818It doesn't get much better that this folksWould prefer the camo on the fatigues though
>>52936818>>52937461Alright you /fa/ggot, I have to admit the sage pulls that shit together. I'm gonna see if I can pull anything like this off as a Dawn of War color scheme, since if I can I can make a teamcolor file out of it and distribute it with a badge and banner.
>>52936818I liked the helmet and shin guards better before, now it looks a little too much like a Krieger with its helmet, simple uniform and Puttee. And the all the white kind of looks like a Telnyashka. I would like to see something like the helmets >>52931094 , the shin guards back in, and a the camo uniform.
>>52937562I fucking told you.Literally my job.
So how's about tanks? I have no fucking clue what would look good on a tank. Does the Brigade even have tanks?
>>52937821Hmm, I think artillery would be better, could make use of the same flat trucks that hold the cages used during mass crucifixions, or something that can deal with enemy armor, as anti armor is one of their three specialties though I think recon should be dropped from their list. Not that they are bad at it but it's not a specialty. No better or worse then standard guardsmen
>>52937821According to COINanon it's a good idea to have an armored battalion to smash heavy resistance before moving in with the flesh melters and stuff. So I guess some Leman Russes using blitzkrieg tactics, or otherwise suitably fast and heavy armor?
>>52937914Artillery/Tank shock and awe tactics to hit armor hard and fast while drop pods slam squads down right into broken enemy lines, then the flame and plasma and Chem weapons can roll over their enemy in a ww1 style combined arms attack
>>52927605Well that's why I was kind of debating with the idea of it. While they do make good killers they tend to have issues with abstraction and authority, which can lead to them being unreliable as underlings and having a lack of sound judgment as leaders. Its a double edged sword as on the one hand because they think differently they will be fine with all the killing and can make ruthless decisions. Yet on the other hand because they think differently they are not team players and have difficulty strategizing and predicting the behavior of others.>>52937821Vehicle paint jobs could be something like pic related, but with iconography where ever. Also tanks are good for wrecking an enemy force and they can be a godsend when dealing with groups of insurgents but generally in a COIN setting they lack maneuverability / mobility and the ability to carry the troops (without them getting picked off) who will be doing most of the killing anyway.
>>52938112I forgot to say: Just considering the 40K universe they would definitely need armour in order to hold their own against some of the nastier enemies.
>>52938112Idk man, a lot of the og posts compared them to the Roman Empire, who at their height supposedly crucified 2000 people a day. It was also mentioned that failing to fallow orders or dereliction of duty resulted in summary execution...involving anti gravity and acid or something. Sounds pretty disciplined to me.
>>52936818This is the best one so far, the white lines on the helm were nice. Also I agree with other anon about shin armor...maybe knee pads?"Citizen, return to your home or you will be pacified!"
>>52938203Do you think that personality disorders were prevalent back then, or that social and cultural environment of the time allowed people to witness and engage in such action with a clear conscience? Modern soldiers do not all have personality disorders, they are just socialized first to think the military is good and the path for them, and then to be ok with killing.
>>52938394That's a good question...look at Viking culture even. I think society goes a long way to shape up, and the luxury most of us have in our lives are inconceivable for a Roman soldier...unless they became a politician after. I feel like ancient life was so fucked they were plenty hardened by the time they were adults
Took a stab at this scheme in Dawn of War. Dumping screenshots of the aforementioned infantry scheme and an attempt at a white UN-like vehicle scheme.
Infantry sergeant. I'm enjoying the sage as a weapon color.
Behnblehd.Also Basilisk above.
>>52938112Take a look at>>52938692>>52938714>>52938727>>52938745>>52938776
>>52939241I prefer a more bright white, desu
How about we get some crunch goin here
>>52939433Unfortunately the eternally grimdark textures don't let the white get any whiter than that. If we want to get really serious about DoW I could cook up a texture mod that allows for cleaner vehicle textures.
>>52939537WS10, special rule Crucify Them immobilizes enemy infantry for a turn if they fail a leadership test
>>52939241While I did raise the idea of white vehicles to bring together the UN peacekeeper aesthetic its hard to feel strongly one way or the other about them since they are just white. It will probably depend more on their markings than their colour. In regard to >>52939854 >Unfortunately the eternally grimdark textures don't let the white get any whiter than thatA quick google search for white IG vehicles turned up these, which might help some envision it better.
>>52940821I once again forgot to mention something: There was talk of them being Romanesque, so maybe the vehicles or some equipment (gladius, scutum, etc) could somehow reflect this in their construction or colouration / markings, if its still an agreed upon part of their identity that is.
>>52940993Nah, Argive names could be slightly Roman and Argoan architecture could have some Roman architecture but let's keep away from overt rl cultural influence. If some original culture seeps into the unit then it's no big deal, but cultural influences ten to drown everything else out
>>52941077Ironically, keeping the Brigade from being 'X in SPEHSS' will make it stand out far more than all the other Guard regiments/Marine chapters/everything GW has ever written by filing off the serial numbers and slapping IN SPEHSS on the end.
>>52937661>>52936818Really liking the design, but would be awesome if you could have a modern take on the gasmask because I wont be using krieg helmets for the killteam.
>>52941170Seriously. The Bizarro Peacekeeper thing is more of an Ironic aesthetic, otherwise they are pretty unique. The only time I think going full hog on a theme worked in /tg/ terms was with Hua Yuan, and even then it's pretty diverse with some interesting unique tidbits.But right now I think we need to work out organization and size
>>52941227I like the British ones with the big bug eyes.
>>52941269Yeah, I think we're doing it well. This regiment doesn't beat you over the head with its source material, which is a big win in 40k.
>>52941272Im going to use these for the killteam Om building.
>>52941269Size, middling? Definitely not Valhallan or Cadian, but also not small like Tanith? I'm not sure what the standard regiment size is, but I'd say something like maybe 70 regiments?
>>52942473https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrigadeWell it is called Argo Brigade for a reason so let's stick to that. Tho it could be a remnant that just stuck with the troops and they have a lot more manpower.>>52922893I think concept works great.
>Dust swirled in the wartorn streets, the air filled with the shrill war cry of Valkyrie guns alight with fury, the soft crunch of heavy boots crumbling the rubble of what used to be homes and businesses. Tau propaganda hung from windows in tattered banners and shredded posters. Calling for surrender with false saccharine promises of a better life under their xenos oppression. Sergeant Bross curled his lip in disgust underneath his mask, corrosive fumes drifting about his boots like morning fog, the roaring engine of the immense Crassus transport crawling beside him drowning out all thoughts of xenocide. Well, not all. Even through his mask the stench of death filled his nostrils, that sickly sweet smell of corpses and the savory scent of auto weaponry.>His element proceeded before the Crassus, keen eyes on the ground to protect the precious cargo of their brethren from unseen attack, their black lifeless goggles scanning windows and rooftops, rifles held at a low ready. With little pretense a whistling crack from a nearby window, a sniper shot. The shot erupted Private Kraden's helmet in a shower of crimson and blue shrapnel. The squad called out the distance and direction of the shot in stern shouts, and began to encircle the transport for security. The massive doors of the Crassus groaned open and troops began to pour out and lay down fire while the heavy flamers of the vehicle belched flame into the building.
>>52943130Sweeeeeeet. Good writing.
>>52943130https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9ocAUQnNdE>Return fire came not shortly after, the terrorists having sprinted to another adjacent building not engulfed in flame. The disembarking troops gave pursuit, falling into cover and bounding forward, the Flamer leading the way in a grim stride. A dangerous game, but nothing broke the will of inexperienced fighters like the sight of an Argoan Flametrooper. The Brigadiers surrounded the crumbling building, tossing in gas grenades and for those with shotguns or grenade launchers incendiary or nerve rounds. Auto Rifles, shotguns, las-rifles, even pulse rifles condemning their heresy were tossed from the windows and doors, as the insurgent scum fled from the building with their hands thrust skyward. Perhaps they expected mercy.>Flaming, chemically burned, shot, stabbed, the criminals were in pitiful condition. As they fled from battle like faithless curs they were greeted by steady volleys of las fire. Brigadier marksmanship ensured that they were not lethal wounds, no death in battle was not a right that cowards had. To die for one's cause was an honor that only true warriors could aspire to, even scum heretics. Lasfire met shins, splintering them, kneecaps, shredding them, and shoulders, splitting them. The dregs fell to the dirt, crying out in pain, for death, for their mothers who failed to instil faith and virtue in them, for their xenos slave lords, some even for the Emperor's mercy.
>>52943350https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzT46g-my0U>Wordlessly, Sergeant Bross's soldiers began to drag away the yet-living dead. It always pleased the grizzled soldier to see such ease with which his soldiers plied their craft after battle. Their movements were precise, practiced, and in some vague way religious, as if they were performing some ecclesiarchal rite.In many ways, it was, for in Justice there is no greater veneration of the Emperor. The medics made to the transport, no doubt to retrieve corpse-pikes and slabs, the singular thin sheets of light metal that the enemy would be pinned upon in lieu of true crucifixes. Sergeant Bross, stepped forth, placing a gloved hand on Corporal Daret's shoulder, "Don't waste slabs on these ones, just use the walls," He motioned to the flaming building, still alight with bless'd promethium, "We need to save up for Objective Lho, the city square should have more creeps." The medic nodded, "Roger that." Bross could feel the grim smile on the young medic's face as he motioned for his comrades to the charred walls.>"PLEASE, STOP! DON'T DO THIS! I'LL TELL YOU ANYTHING!" cried one of the wretches, as his flayed thigh gouted scarlet blood upon the dirt. Bross slung his rifle over his shoulder, and the trooper dragging the man by his crushed fingers stopped. Bross tore the man's fetid tunic and wrapped his dire wound painfully tight, earning him sour whimpers of pain. "Which of you had the sniper rifle?" the soldier asked smoothly, his gruff tones barely concealing seething fury. The vandal immediately nodded emphatically to one of their ragged number, the vagrant having lost his arm. The fireteam laughed at his eagerness, then laughed harder at the sniper's cries of protest and his cursing of his comrade at his immediate betrayal. Bross simply unsheathed his knifed secured to his breastplate and drove it through the snitch's temple, rewarding his compliance. Then he stalked over to the one armed sniper.
>>52943568More!Also I would love to contribute to this, so I hope the thread is still up and running when I get home from work
>>52943819Dont worry anon, if this thread reaches its limit there will be a new one
Does the regiment scourge its victims when doing mass executions? If it does, do they whip the victim on the back like normal or the front since they are already reversing things by crucify them upside down? Again if they do scourge victims when do they do it, while they are on the trucks? If they do scourge them on the trucks it might be a little more efficient to have them all hanging from a single pole like a products or clothing on a rack or meat in a slaughter house, rather than have them in cages. This way its easier to pull a body off the truck for crucifixion, and there is the added spectacle of the scourging and its sounds. I said all of this because even though the cause of death would still be the stab like the Romans did, the scourging was a big part of the punishment and spectacle.
>>52943568>"That was a good shot there, killer," Bross said, unsecuring his gas mask from his helmet, letting it swing free from one side, acrid gas singeing his lungs and eliciting a cough. Bross cared little, cancer was already eating away at his lungs, it wouldn't be too much longer til fighting wasn't an option. He retrieved his pack of Lho sticks from underneath his armour, using his chin to open the pack and grabbing a loose stick with his lips, lighting it off his still hot barrel, "Shame about that arm, eh?" Bross inhaled deeply, the lho dulling his raging emotions, clearing his thoughts, they'd need to move quickly, it wasn't safe to indulge in business like this. The sniper just spat in his face. Bross politely retorted with a curt punch to his forehead, his knuckles rapping soundly off the bone. Bross took a deep drag before placing the stick in the creep's mouth, who began to puff gladly "I'll cut you deal, same deal I gave your friend over there. Talk and we won't put you to the cross or to the flame. Quick and clean. How's about it, slugger?" >The man nodded tiredly, "What do you want, Imperial." Bross nodded, satisfied, the sound of distant mortar fire and panicked screams music to his ears. The battle was going well. "Tasha Square, you know it?" The rebel nodded. "Good, that's great man, you're doing great. Now what defenses are there, we know the Blueberries moved in last night, what do they got there for us?" The sniper sighed, tears welling in his eyes, the shock of capture compelling him to speak, "They're using it as a Hammerhead depot, there's Stealthers there too. Th-that's all I know, I swear. N-now just do whatever you will." Bross chuckled, taking the lho stick from the detainee and taking one last puff before putting it out on the haggard man's head, "Oh I will, fucker. Trust me, I will. Nail 'im up, let's get this show on the road." "YOU SWORE! WE HAD A DEAL!" Bross shook his head, putting back on his mask, "I lied, heretic."
>>52944091Id say no to whipping. Maybe in some individual cases but not when we are talking mass crucifixtion. Why waste the energy and time when you could be burning and gassing some insurgents in their hideouts?
>>52944163>Why waste the energy and time when you could be burning and gassing some insurgents in their hideouts?You just made me realize they wouldn't have to whip them if they have caustic chemicals. Just spray enough to put them in agony but not enough to melt their flesh.
>>52936165Very good indeed! And maybe plausible for me to paint the insignia on the miniatures.
>>52944151https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999RqGZatPs>The soldiers dragged the screaming victims to the still smouldering walls, taking nailers, a side arm that found its origins as an industrial nail gun but since the Argoan Revolution has found use in the Emperor's service as a short range weapon and an effective tool for making an example of dissidents. Bross enjoyed his profession, but the sizzling of flesh, the cracking of bone and concrete as nails were driven through bound feet and wall, the hopeless wailing of the damned...there was no glory in this, but crucifixion is far more than tradition, it is a necessary to quell future dissent. The hiss and crack of the Nailers ceased, the fools now hung by their feet, the spreading flames licking their toes. The soldiers took their combat knives and drug them across the exposed bellies of the inverted, intestines pushing out like grotesque blooms of some exotic and macabre fruit, ripe and wriggling. >"Mount up boys, Bravo squad, you're up for walking, Alpha on me in the truck." The soldiers did as commanded and moved their fallen brother onto the transport, " Hurry the fuck up! We have to make objective and rendezvous with Charlie, those heretics won't pin themselves up!" The troops flooded into the transport, some popping off their masks to have a smoke, other checking their gear, some obviously falling fast asleep. The battlefield faded away within the confines of the Crassus as the doors closed them into the transport and the vehicle continued on to the nexus of violence. Sergeant Bross simply looked at the mangled corpse of his private, then joined his soldiers in rest as he closed his eyes, the sounds of roaring flame and hissing gas drowned out by the grumbling engine lulling him to sleep.
>>52943130>>52943350>>52943568>>52944151>>52944331Good shit right there anon. Now I know who shall be leading the killteam.
>>52944331>Marty fucking RobbinsYou sir, have good taste.
>>52933771Am I looking at Planetside 2 TR?Are we just the TR and we killed the Vanu and NC off successfully?
>>52943130>>52943350>>52943568>>52944151>>52944331As good as a direct hit with a mortar on some fucko trying to make a propaganda video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqBvTNsvgUo or killing a sharpshooter with a rocket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEFYidH044 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNXGTCiwhEI
Yo argo fagsI'm back, my commissar design took a back seat beacuse I was working on this. Its not all original and I didnt paint it from scratch.An Argos Brigadier stand in the forfront while 2 of his mates discuss the weather below a penitent hanging from an artillery barrel...hope you enjoy
>>52944961Wow that's fucking cool...tg can get shit done
>>52944961Damn that is impressive! Im just wondering if we look too much like Krieg? Could cough up a trooper with a modern gasmask as a comparison? I posted a picture earlier in this thread.
>>52945166Well krieg helmets have ww1 German spikes where our helmet is inspired by UN blue helmets that are modeled after American ww1-Vietnam helms. Idk I also like the hose but yea if draw anon could maybe do a modern design that might be cool. Considering krieg is a death Corp maybe that should just be a designation these guys Are also a death Corp but completely seperate
>>52945166The officers berets are also a big distinction...that and the pretty color
>>52945166Who cares? The gasmask aesthetic is bitching.
>>52936818Yes. FUCK YES
>>52945347Curiosity and Im making these lads as a killteam/squad so want to get all the right stuff. It is not necesary to drawfriend to make it and I probably can modify the helmets Im getting to fit into the Argo Brigade with some greenstuff.>>52945302You are very right in that part.Up to our drawfriend really if he wants to draw it or not. Im fine either way, this shit is awesome.
So for the first time in literally over a year I had a computer crash and lost my progress on the Commissar...Well in the mean time you'll have to make do with my first mock up of an Argos Grenadier..thought?
>>52946172That is a sexy looking stuff right there my man. So the brigadiers as normal troops and grenadiers as heavy weapons guys? I'm down with that.
>>52944961Holy fuuuuuuiiuuiiuuuuuuck t-thays cool
>>52946230I feel like the regular Right armor, the normal argo brigs are what I've seen be called the pacification units or something like that, the chemical using mass executioners who break populations into submission, and the new more armored guys like you said are the heavys, you know...some melta throwing bad mother fuckers
>>52947957We could tide it to the lore.During the capture of many xenos species during the Argonian wars, The Argo Brigade seized many equipment from varioud mercenary groups eg. Dark Eldar. Also during various campaigns against Tau Empire naturally brought some spoils of war.Hiding these technology from other elements of Imperium Argo Brigade's own small unit of technicians and scientists started digging into to the this foreign tech. From these studies grew things such as improved filtering system for gasmasks. Unfortunatly resources are little because the subject need to stay at upmost secrecy. There for new respitatory system are made in low quantity and only the specialists, higher ranking soldiers and officers receive these upgraded masks.What do you guys think? Im not the greatest writer and english is not my native language so there might be mistakes here and there.
>>52948593I like it, it's a legitimate reason for a regimental secret that isn't grimderp like "we're secretly chaos!" but simply that they're using every edge to survive.
>>52948593>The Argo Brigade seized many equipment from Dark Eldar.>they are using every edgeGod-Emperor sees what you did there anon
If they specialise in COIN, what about hearts and minds? iirc it tends to be more effective than terror tactics irl
>>52949913If your break the spirit and put the hands to work and shock the brain into numbness there is no need for hearts!"In fact you're probably better without it"
>>52949982how did you not cringe while typing that?
>>52949913Removal of the upper ribs and a las round applied to the forehead allows for easy access to both the hearts and minds of the enemy.
Anvil can get us the good shit, we can use either stalhelm mask as pic related
or pagst, the pagst has beret versions and there is maskless for both.
Officer, I personally think stalhelm for standard tropers and pagst for engineers would work great and make a distinction. Maybe officers are more valuable so get higher quality masks?
>>52950948>>52950922>>52950893As we've stated before no krieg style helmets, we're going for a more modern take on helmet design. And Ive already ordered two sets of PAGST helmets with gasmasks and berets with gasmasks.
Engineer officer for miniature
>>52951009Oh and I'll try to greenstuff the brigadier (or krieg) style gasmasks for the cadian infantry troops.
>>52951045You could just slap an empty helmet on these guys, I believe you can order them from anvil or just hunt down cadian bits.
>>52949913We do hearts and minds in the West because the media will crucify us if we don't, but elsewhere in the world terror tactics work exceedingly well for a significantly smaller cost.
Quick google search and it seems plenty of folks make 28mm nato style hemets you can just slap on the SAS gasmask. This is fucking awesome.
>>52921937So they're just imperial guard Night Lords?
So in my autistic need to flesh out this army, I stumbled upon the anvil industries attack dogs and thought they would make an awesome rough rider style unit. Think giant cyber and gene enhanced hounds similiar to what the sisters of silence use in 30k.Israel forces and other forces use them in urban combats and having a big robo dog immune to chemical weapons as a buddy in a breach in clear would be a big help when dealing with various 40k factions super human enemies. Plus they can sniff out those pesky xeno women and children and capture them alive, if slightly mauled.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oketz_Unit
>>52951491We did agree earlier on that canines would be great psychological weapons, but I don't know about the mounted thing.While intimidating, I don't know if it would clash with the rest of thematic elements of the unit
>> 5291540Nah not mounted, the rough riders would actually just be pony sized gene crafted pitbulls with a handler.
>>52951295Not a bad idea desu, but Im trying to do this in a as low budget as possible and lots of international shipping wouldn't fly with my current financial situation. I'll bookmark that site tho.I'll copypaste my idea from previous thread with small update.- Get Cadian Infantry for bodies and shit- Replace heads with Anvil Industries- these for commanders/higher ranking soldiers http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/Infantry-Heads-Helmets/beret-gasmask-veteran-heads- these for heavy weapons/specialists http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/Infantry-Heads-Helmets/PASGT-gasmask-heads- add ton of different equipment to make them look more tacticoolAdding a part:- make some gasmasks from GS (basic cadian helmets)
>>52951336Huh, yeah I guess they are, however their tactics have more to do with the Salamanders and Death Guard/Iron Warriors
Munitorum would probably love these guys, hyper efficient tactics revolving around returning worlds without fucking up infrastructure. This would help explain the high quality of there equipment, on top of the whole tech heresy schtick.
>>52951754>tech heresy schtickNNNNNNO.
>>52943130>>52943350>>52943568>>52944151>>52944331That's the good shit. For the fucking Emperor.
>>52951766It was part of our randomly generated backstory. It doesn't need to be Dark Angels tier "OUR SECRET SHAAAAME" but more like >>52948593 where they're simply trying to use every edge available to them to come out on top and restore order against some horrific enemies.
>>52952968I think we can cut that part out
>>52953147But how else do we still have volkite and phospex?
>>52953319Oh shit, is that what you're talking about? Did I wrote that shit, I didn't know how rare those things were in 40k. No Volkite and real Phosphorus weapons, melta and flamer
>>52953319phosphex doesn't exist in 40k tho.a magos destroyed the secrets on how to make it and was executed with the last of it.
>>52949913>>52949982>>52950237>>52951220Part of the reason one needs PR in the modern era is that the ability to isolate and exert force on a population is seriously hampered. In a medieval setting because of a civilian lack information and ability to travel, snuffing out any resistance in its infancy can be simple as surrounding the upstart village(s) with actual armed and armoured soldiers and then having some executions or just killing them all. Now movements can mature quickly as people can always move and disperse themselves in a larger area with other communities, and telecommunication means the fire of rebellion can spread to anyone anywhere. Further it is harder to stop the flow of weapons, people, and information from outside from outside one's country, and with changes in the social order a modern society's methods of dealing with an insurgency can be editorialized by its neighbors, who if offended can hinder a COIN op through spread information, embargo, spread of resources, or invasion. Though this is not to say historic insurgencies didnt enjoy foreign intervention or kill off societies since the founding of Mesopotamia, just that it was easier back then.Another reason the framing is fought is the ability of individuals to exert force on a population. In a medieval setting an insurgency's success depends on its prowess against professional soldiers with the best weapons and armour in hand to hand combat, so not everyone can fight and the ones that do may easily be killed. In a modern setting with guns, bombs, cars, planes, electrical infrastructure, and massive highly concentrated population one can do a serious amount of damage regardless of their physicality.Its important to remember 40k is a dark ages feudal theocracy that generally rules with an iron fist and intolerance of irregularities, but the quality and manner in which it rules has variation across space. Yet despite this it is also modern with its tech, travel, telecom, and living.
>>52956328In short in modern societies its harder for a government to contain and exert force over a population, and its courses of action for actually dealing with the situation are restricted by social and cultural attitudes of its people and its neighbors. Yet at the same time it is easier for an individual to spread information, carry out attacks, and hide, as well as receive foreign assistance.So attacking the ideas behind the movement and its legitimacy will attack its source of recruitment and continuation of the movement.
>>52956328>>52956446Though I should have said: All of this assumes people actually want to go through the work of making a realistic force and story which can fit into the 40k universe, instead of an easier to write force and story with some with some liberties taken with reality like 40k sometimes does.
>>52954060I second this, heresy is for those on the crosses!
>>52951540Was that agreed upon? I didn't see it anywhere....but it's not a bad idea!
>>52950070Oh I fucking did; he's the first fucker I'd nail to a cross
>>52951336Well for color scheme it's similer, light UN blue instead of the dark blue, but yea!
>>52940363Hey now this I like!
>>52944961This is some of the fucking coolest OC I've seen in a LONG TIME
>>52956940Maybe not the WS10 but the actual rule is pretty fucking legit. Bonus points if you bring crosses to hang the enemy's minis on.
>>52956328>>52956446>>52956592Excellent points. I can see Argo going full rip and tear on a feudal world, while working more like a modern American COIN unit on a civilized world or forgeworld where there's greater communication simply because it's what's most effective in the environment. Argo is above all relentlessly practical.
can't wait to see the next shit drawfriend makes....You are making more right? Emprah I hope so>>52957829Maybe there should be a unique warlord trait granting all units within 12 inches fear
>>52958104But on a successful save the enemy reroles.... Or enemy reroles all successful crucifixion saves
>>52958241Within range of the Warlord of course
Hey fa/tg/uys and elegan/tg/entlemen, I'm back and ill be lurking for the next several hours working on Argos Art and what notI bring your attention to pic related...the chem cannon from the Astra Militarum codex. I think this should be standard issue war gear for the Grenadiers shown here>>52946172
>>52957865Couldn't summarize my thoughts better than this.Should we use this to create some basic info on the brigade? https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard_Regiment_Creation_Tables
>>52960708YES. This is exactly what we need, I think this could even replace volkite stuff. Nice find good sir. Also glad to see your back.
>>52960857Yea I had a computer crash yesterday and lost a lot of stuff...some commissar art I'd mocked up as well as some stuff i was working on for real life shit...but I got that all sorted out.Yea I saw that and was like "THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED" I still think we should ally with the adeptus mechanus to get that sexy sexy phosphorus
>>52960708...well, that's an objectively better heavy flamer.Isn't that from a tank though, not an infantry?
>>52961056Sorry to hear that, glad you got shit sorted.I read about the chem cannon and it is for Hellhound variant Bane Wolf. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Bane_WolfBrigade could have mocked up some hand held versions tho. Imagine when confronting an enemy armour or heavily fortified fort. Blast a hole with a melta gun/rockets and through the new made hole pours in either fire or gas to consume everything inside.
>>52961080Oh damn you're right.Well as >>52961145 said it can either be converted into a squad based heavy weapon like the guards LascannonVehicle options have only barely been discussed
>>52961336I think chimeras and Hellhounds/Bane Wolves are pretty obvious for troop transport and extra burning. Valkyries as well for some fast drop troop action and CAS. Sentinels equipped with multimeltas/flamers. Maybe few Leman Russes for bigger operations, but nothing bigger from that. Thoughts, ideas?
>>52943130>>52943350>>52943568>>52944151>>52944331Now this is fucking awesome, just finally got a chance to read it. The nailer needs to be stated as an option side arm>>52961474Well Bane Wolves for sure now, the main vehicle of the Brigade. Manticores are also really good anti tank units, so maybe they would be in the Vanguard, and they can replace the 'Rus I'm an advocate for the basilisk, and I believe a basilisk barage followed by chem cannon sprays with advancing units carrying heavy flamers is the kind of "Combined Arms" tactics that would shred both enemies and their morale.
>>52961751Oh and the Cassus transport because of the contribution of our write friend.Sergeant Bross is a sweet character, Now is it pronounced like brass but with a capitol O sound , or like -br-aw-ss, these are important questions. Because we are nearing the post limit I submit this Blue Helm Propaganda hoping it can be the OP photo
>>52961474>Valkyries as well for some fast drop troop action and CAS>>52961751>I'm an advocate for the basilisk, and I believe a basilisk barage followed by chem cannon sprays with advancing units carrying heavy flamers is the kind of "Combined Arms" tactics that would shred both enemies and their morale.Air support is essential for an area of operation which can turn from peaceful to hostile at the drop of a hat.
>>52961787I don't disagree I was just commenting on ground vehicles, options are pretty limited for Guard Aircraft I'd also like to suggest the Taurox Prime
>>52961924I wasn't disagreeing with you just pointing out that your were right about combined arms tactics.
Holy shit, if you filed down the hait and added the helmets found here>>52951295 these chem mask heads are fucking awesome for the Argo Brigs
>>52961924Yea definetly Taurox fits with aesthetic, also all kinds of other troop transport options. Hooray for APCs! Would it be better for artillery to be more based on missile launchers, pic related, for far more precise objective destruction? Basilisk is fine as well companied with mortar teams.Also someone archive this when the time comes.
>>52962128Good find! We could add them for some other troop type, like crewmen/pilots/aryillery personel. More the merrier!
>>52962161Misses would work, are there any rules for chemical missiles?I really cant wait to see what you put together, I'm going to be ordering some guardsmen next month. An army of these guys would be fucking awesome.>>52962179Yea I'm gonna do a mock up with the double hoses, should I go extra light on their armor? Or maybe thats the scout/sniper teams aesthetic gimmick
>>52962325Oh yea definetly for intelligence personal!And yes to the light armour, maybe even drop the shoulder pads?And Im considering expanding my killteam aswell. Thinking of getting the box with a squad of cadians and chimera. Glad to see other people getting into making this group a more than a stuff on a piece of paper! Lets make Argo Brigade great!"UPSIDE DOWN! SIDEWAYS!"
>>52962435HAHAHAHA yes, thats both an amazingly in lore and brutal...yet nonsensical to outsiders battlecry.I'd also nominate "Nail 'em up!"Fuck yea, lets make the Argo Brigade for the Guard what Angry Marines are to Marine Chapters. Wondering if we should wait for OP to make a new thread or do it muh self. I'm glad you agree about the Taurox, it makes sense for a troop vehicle but /tg/ gives it a lot of hate. I actually like the mini treads.I'm now gonna make a taurox design with the unit colors
Political wankery of this video aside:Welcome to the brigadehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEQchTqaKA
>>52962532"Nail 'em up!" is way better. And go for a new thread if you want to, unless OP appears in next 30 min or so.>>52962606Pretty much how armored unit would work in Argo Brigade me thinks.
Quickly made this as a small info package based of 1d4chan IG regiment creation table. Feel free to correct me/edit.Origin: Planetary Defence ForceDemography: Standard conscription (both genders allowed)Homeworld: Death World (wrongly labeled Hive World)Terrain: DesertTactical info: Shock troops/light infantrySpecialization: Counter-insurgencySpecial equipment: Rare heavy weaponsLoyalty: Fanatical